E.T. Memories

[Agape]

Tapping here into something that won't be favourite subject of many people if only for the lack of intuition , investigation and experience into this matter and to be honest ,
asking me for supportive academic sources can't work well in this matter because either
they exist but are out of public domain ,

or , to my best awareness they don't , at least not quite yet .

Such supportive data would fall somewhere into category of neurosciences in general and suppose the very nature of memories can once be determined precisely and differentiated between various categories of such ,
for example 'reality formed memories' = well formatted memories from 'false memories' = screen memories ( dream memories ) or even 'reality formed memories fading to oblivion hence repaired by some false memories' and so forth ,
and read with precision accordingly ,
the day may come - in my opinion - that out of the hundreds or perhaps millions people around the globe who claim to have experienced contact with E.T.s or at least dreamt about it would be able to undergo kind of non-invasive , neurological test ,
far more precise than your 'polygraph test' is and not only them but all humanity would get direct answer to the great question of 'are we being contacted' .

It's futile for me at the moment to argue about the nature of such test and would it be potentially usable and misusable for many other purposes ,
including those pertaining to criminal investigations , search for lost children and other memories of your life and generally ,
setting mankind's memory record 'straight' .

Memories concerning Extraterrestrial contact and visitations ( or abductions for some ) form entirely specific category for me which is the very reason I've decided to open this so far obscure and heavily tabued topic from my 'insiders point of view' .

There are several pros and cons involved here , as a matter of scientific argument .

On the positive side , memory capacity of human brain is varied but considerably vaster than you think ,
as kids we were told that if we used it to the full it would be able to contain works of world largest libraries , word by word .

Todays estimates for brains memory capacity range somewhere between few terabytes to petabytes ( 2,5 petabytes = 2,5 million giga according to 2010 edition of Scientific American : http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-is-the-memory-capacity/ ).

You will find different sorts of numeral estimates if you search the topic thoroughly and of course , individual variations have to applied ,
not only that , better understood in common.

Most of our 'civilised' adult population of the breaking 20/21st century complain of quality of their memory retention is decreasing , whether that concerns short 'working memory' and stress and information overload or ,
long term memory capacity and remembering correctly events, names and other data from your childhood and life ,
no matter how many computer and other electronic gadgets are there to serve you as 'back up' , often senseless in my opinion - such as taking 'daily selfies' for some or remembering 'all your twitter friends' - which isn't really well selected - or selective - sample of information to serve you in future , if only for lack of structure unless - you may argue easily against anything I say because this article is really not about your capacity to argue -

your project focuses on overall analysis of such data , after all .

There are myriads of good example of good memory collections we know from the past that do not need or rely on computer memory storage .

Unlike today and for us who did not undertake our schooling in 'internet days' , memory was one of the most precious devices to pull us through years of boring memorisation ,
other times ..though fascinating days and nights spent with books under or above blankets , browsing through encyclopaedia , herbalists of whatever your particular interest has been close to and expanding to other domains ,
learning to navigate your neural pathways smoothly and with joy : and all went well to the day when you found yourself ridiculed or forced , or prompted to perform by some diabolical professor who missed the beauty of life long ago .

Many of our old scholars , pandits all over the globe used to have beautiful memory capacity in the past . In India you can still meet some of them and here in classical European educational institutions of past you could once as well .

Many of the monks of well known Tibetan monasteries who base themselves on education could , to this day , recite much of the hundreds of thousands paged cannon of Buddhist teachings word by word by heart ,
they do some training of this everyday in the morning but do not spend days on it - if you inquire - it's considered rather natural capacity of gifted brain and compulsory propensity to pass you through geshe exams .
Even if that seems little tough at start, healthy brain remains young and flexible till very old age - humanly speaking - like a newborn baby and that's why and how it can be trained .

Keeping it healthy and drug free and worry and guilt free - of course , seems to be one basic requirement ,
you don't want or need to bath your baby in tons of chemicals , artificial serotonin or stress hormones to keep it happy and afloat .

The topic of memory so vast ..


returning back to my original idea before I forget :wink:


From the 4 hours of complete submersion to my ET memories and level of existence so kindly omitting much of the blooming human paradigm and its mentality in total ,

memories and existence so natural to me on its own level that I recognised them from any other memories and consciousnesses from before and after , by quality rather than quantity but yet ,
consciousness and ideas coming from 'me and us' , of discernible character , there gaining a full shape and form ( talking of my Bodhgaya ET Encounter (http://www.ufocasebook.com/etoriginofmankind.html) just in case this all looks somehow suspicious or irrelevant to you or the founder of this forum ) ,

which I thought was the most prolific and life changing event I've experienced or could :

and that's certainly not because my life would have been empty or boring ,

in my then human 28 years of age , it was full of life and joy in fact .

Guess to annoyance of few old farts who spent years on keeping me low as possible since I ever got on the internet ( 2006 ) and asked them for guidance .

It's been troves upon troves of stalkers in various forms and disguise since then , those trying to covert me to their victim or victim especially , one passing hand to the other for years now , supported by public 'general opinions' and whispers from their housewives
until they themselves fell ill but almost satisfied .
No one will die on this Earth i'm telling you till the debts to the truth will be repaid .

Some of these 'well-wishers' eerily reminded me of the lady approaching you with candy when you were 4 years old . Too convoluted in their logic to be of much help .
Lets not call them 'perverts' but this domain and internet in general is full of them .


While we are at the cons .... there's of course the one about 'memory being unreliable' and 'memory can be faked' passed in rounds , faithfully , by these well-wishers ,
repeating it like a mantra .

But if it was fundamentally so and where from did you acquire this argument anyway , your todays media and advertisement propaganda , the 'world after Google' and then,
would you be able to get anywhere in your life relying on such dipper like memory ?

Who would you be like, without your electronic memory at all ?

Would you still travel to faraway lands and learn to speak other tongues , and would you remember where your towel is all that time and of your favourite books
and be infinitely happy in your own version of infinite of would you feel 'poor and bored' at your TV set ?

The answers , if honest .. I suspect , would largely vary . But relying on what you've acquired as your 'memory usage' from internet service to actual , active memory storage of your own provenance , one that enables independent thinking process in us
are two different things and not quite comparable in my opinion.

As a result, there are thousands of millions 'internet researchers' who learn to copy thinking process and data one from another .

And yes , some .. quite like of those thousands of Buddhist monks or pandits who memorise Vedas or the Tripitaka ,
never learn to think entirely on their own .

Though .. never mind .


ET memories ..

how many 'gigabytes' would they comprise of anyway , in all the complexity of information superseding anything of human world ,
how can anyone say they're 'intangible' or 'too small' .

Too faint ? And trying to remember ? Then it can hardly be them or I don't believe you a lot either if all you need is plenty of subliminal conditioning and hypnotic assistance to uncover your 'truth' because you want to find myself in my 'ouch so old' shoes .

It's the most beautiful and terrific and I'd say extensive memory field I ever tapped into ,

so far I've heard no response from any genuine scientist who would give things a go and willing to go with me to the process and so yes , I'm feeling alone ..

save for few good friends ..

but why offering me cheap solutions . For what you think it is, cheap experience with faint memories ?

How many gigabytes or more does it take , did it take to embrace those in mere 4 hours , in days when I did not know, honestly, what 'gigabyte' is .

But if I were to compare them to other lots of information stored in me during this life ,
it's a piece of cosmic library , in pictures . If it was what you think, faint hallucination of sort ,
it would have gaps and many passings in and out and other shortcomings .

About the other people involved in ET & UFO research ..

and their memories , as far as I could observe and why ET memory in us is so vulnerable or the 'propensity' to retain it anyway .

It is energy consuming in my opinion because dealing with new and alien information is biologically and mentally demanding, for any organism , ours or theirs .


Many of our friends wish me nothing than to put 'this all' behind . The truth is .. they don't feel in capacity or knowledge to be involved deeper and their brain resists dealing with any alien information altogether .
As a matter of fact , it's a demanding subject of its own and consumes plenty of your energy capacity , for almost no if any rewards as of the moment and it's lasted for years for me now .
Years of dealing with people who automatically suspect you of whatever just because it's 'likely that way' .

If you were anything, just about anything else in the world than what you claim it is, you'd be more acceptable and safe with them but not for what you claim .

Personally, I walked the path of non violence and deep spiritual longings and truths since I was kid . Why , after years of conscious service to mankind, why should I be glanced as terrorist suspect ?

It's not only sickening, it's totally thankless and deceitful attitude .

I'm no terrorist , no conspiracy theorist either . I've been about everything else in my life that made me feeling meaningful to others and good in front of Eternity ,
and honest with myself first of all .

And yet .. on the human life trail ... I seem to be heading to nowhere so far , for not agreeing to denounce my truth , origins, testimony, not willing to be anyones follower ,
not willing to adjust biologically and accept the hits and whip , with ease and keep working like a slave in one of your factories ,
for what else you have or be a breeding mare for one of your stallions ,
or mannequin and actor on your stage .

Feels quite like one of those kamikaze missions .

Not anything I'd sign for originally, a disclosure . I don't want to learn tricks and you don't want to learn truth and we can't make it together, hmmmm

Well, it's not what you think, not even a rant . The weather is beautiful today and I had good intents with writing something about those ETs memories and see how it ended up :)

[kirolak]

Dear Agape, I read your Bodhgaya Encounter for the first time this afternoon when it was quiet at work, & was deeply touched by it. . . thank you for sharing such a profound experience. I can empathize in a small way with your feelings of disconnectedness after the event, when you returned to everyday existence/consciousness; I often feel that way after out of body experiences, although yours seems to transcend the astral world. It is quite incredible that you have been able to put it into words so well :bowing: Namaste!

[Agape]

BqzGZ5AaeSs

:heart:

Starring in the face of adversity and suffering ... such as we are seeing everyday around us and in the news , as years long humble student of human emotion i also learned the following ..

never fall for the cool face .

No matter how much it's tempting to save you and whole world from the trouble , it will never work it out without power of genuine love and concern .

Lessons in compassion are quite as tough as lessons in truth . Both require for you to be absolutely present .
If you choose to learn nothing you've skipped the lesson .

Unlike for what our western society teaches , emotions are natural part of higher intelligence and valid part of our everyday lives. We shouldn't think wrongly about joy and sadness, laughter or tears ,

we should stand for the power of the truth and give up on deceit , is what makes human being sentient and advanced species rather than , what you call them 'programmed life form' .

Before it hits your nose too , don't fall for the icy cold power . It's deadly for most humans .

Avoid senseless actions like feeding the already obese and supporting worlds billionaires ( they'll love me from now on :bigsmile:),
don't pity the enlightened and worship idols , icons and avatars .

Only the warmth of human hearts can melt the pyramids made from ice you've once built .

The dangers are real and times aren't getting better ..


Be the change ..for we are here , for the moment .. it can't be more than that . Because everything is a moment ..


:heart:

[JChombre]

BqzGZ5AaeSs

:heart:

Starring in the face of adversity and suffering ... such as we are seeing everyday around us and in the news , as years long humble student of human emotion i also learned the following ..

never fall for the cool face .

No matter how much it's tempting to save you and whole world from the trouble , it will never work it out without power of genuine love and concern .

Lessons in compassion are quite as tough as lessons in truth . Both require for you to be absolutely present .
If you choose to learn nothing you've skipped the lesson .

Unlike for what our western society teaches , emotions are natural part of higher intelligence and valid part of our everyday lives. We shouldn't think wrongly about joy and sadness, laughter or tears ,

we should stand for the power of the truth and give up on deceit , is what makes human being sentient and advanced species rather than , what you call them 'programmed life form' .

Before it hits your nose too , don't fall for the icy cold power . It's deadly for most humans .

Avoid senseless actions like feeding the already obese and supporting worlds billionaires ( they'll love me from now on :bigsmile:),
don't pity the enlightened and worship idols , icons and avatars .

Only the warmth of human hearts can melt the pyramids made from ice you've once built .

The dangers are real and times aren't getting better ..


Be the change ..for we are here , for the moment .. it can't be more than that . Because everything is a moment ..


:heart:




Thank you for your powerful words. I agree with you that truth, compassion, love and concern for others are very important qualities; and they are very much needed in our world today.

Also, thank you for sharing your experience in Bodhgaya; I watched the videos a longtime ago and was amazed to see you almost change physically while you were telling your story.

Many blessings to you:Angel:.

JC

[kirolak]

Please would you let me know where I can watch the Bodhgaya videos? I don't see them anywhere, or am I being thick?

[Agape]

Thank you for your powerful words. I agree with you that truth, compassion, love and concern for others are very important qualities; and they are very much needed in our world today.

Also, thank you for sharing your experience in Bodhgaya; I watched the videos a longtime ago and was amazed to see you almost change physically while you were telling your story.

Many blessings to you:Angel:.

JC


Thank you for recognising me after all that time .. I've not changed much either , thank you for kind words :heart:

Vis respect to the topic above .. and I could say so only after few years have passed after that event , not earlier than that ,

there are physical effects , biological imprints of such encounters , including the memory one of course if it could be only found and measured
I had to accept and learn to cope with .

Things that probably never occurred to me before , at least not since I remember .

Much of it was not unlike being born again, new borns experience but in tall body when everything feels new for timbering . Light and darkness , peoples voices , the way this civilisation conducts itself ,
the way foods taste , sense of direction .

I found myself 'allergic' to plenty of phenomena I've never experienced before the same way or perhaps in small manner . Animal furs, grasses , the sunlight , chemicals in foods , my own body waste . Dust and smog of all ..

The weird thing about it is , I don't think I've turned weird or something else I've not been before either . If I did, it would be much more fun , rationally, it would ..
at least i think so and I'd spend days on drawing the Ship and show everyone .

But in fact .. in the 3 remaining years ( years yes , the time flew by ) in Dharamsala not only i failed to put a word down on this , fearing it's going to look awkward ,
even while I worked out good few translations from the Tibetan Buddhist scriptures at the same time ,
this was something I believed I have to keep secret till it can be told . To the right person at the right time .

I fear i failed on that too . Or maybe the right person and right time did not come yet but it's getting late for me ..


Unlike ever before in life , this has scared plenty of good people from me in life ..and what I really needed , personal communication, almost never occurred .
Unless for friends who wanted just about anything else than THIS.

So in effect , feelings of social calms and safe belonging to somebody .. have missed me too .
It's mostly anonymous voices and friends telling me 'be strong' and 'you have to do without it' . Bumps to walls . Another wall . The game I can not play .


Survived many trials till now and the world is big and it can not be that someone else , somewhere would not be happy about my mind and memories , for real .

So all the rest may happen too ...


Blessings :Angel:

[Agape]

Please would you let me know where I can watch the Bodhgaya videos? I don't see them anywhere, or am I being thick?

Bodhgaya videos ..

well, there's one we've done with Kerry for the Project Camelot but something got wrong with mikes so you need headset to hear words and it was the first time i spoke in open to anybody and the time we've got was cut to two hours .
They just sat me to chair and started asking questions. Barry insisted on having just that day .

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/bodhgaya_incident/bodhgaya.html

And then there are Miles Johnston Bases 16 videos shot here in Prague in 2012 , in 5 parts , I'd actually recommend part 3&4 are to the topic :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uw3cIplGy0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0B9OUfZ7Is

Part 1&2 are way off topic and Part 5 was devoted to Barry Kings case .

It's hard even among the interviewers , 'talking to ET' is not something they'd be ready for or accustomed to , so to say , most are focused and curious about human stories and I have nothing to hide .. so if someone wants to hear human stories there are always plenty to tell but it's not 'to topic' . .
It = the ET= unfortunately makes most people turn funny, arrogant , aggressive , they can't handle themselves for long if it goes on camera because we all know this is not the disclosure time and not the way how it's to be done
and they or me were not chosen for the role and this is NOT your science fiction movie .
If real , it'd have been done in private .. and so forth .. and they would really want to know .

People are seldom 'for real' . They do much 'for show' though.

I'd actually recommend Werner Herzogs excellent documentary called The Wheel of Time he filmed in the same year ( 2002 ) and events surrounding the 'cancelled' Kalachakra initiation :

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Can't find English version immediately but it's somewhere out there and shows you the place and situation 'on ground' in that time , explains some of the backgrounds and relevance of the Kalachakra ( Wheel of Time ) Initiation as well .



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[JChombre]

Thank you for your powerful words. I agree with you that truth, compassion, love and concern for others are very important qualities; and they are very much needed in our world today.

Also, thank you for sharing your experience in Bodhgaya; I watched the videos a longtime ago and was amazed to see you almost change physically while you were telling your story.

Many blessings to you:Angel:.

JC


Thank you for recognising me after all that time .. I've not changed much either , thank you for kind words :heart:

Vis respect to the topic above .. and I could say so only after few years have passed after that event , not earlier than that ,

there are physical effects , biological imprints of such encounters , including the memory one of course if it could be only found and measured
I had to accept and learn to cope with .

Things that probably never occurred to me before , at least not since I remember .

Much of it was not unlike being born again, new borns experience but in tall body when everything feels new for timbering . Light and darkness , peoples voices , the way this civilisation conducts itself ,
the way foods taste , sense of direction .

I found myself 'allergic' to plenty of phenomena I've never experienced before the same way or perhaps in small manner . Animal furs, grasses , the sunlight , chemicals in foods , my own body waste . Dust and smog of all ..

The weird thing about it is , I don't think I've turned weird or something else I've not been before either . If I did, it would be much more fun , rationally, it would ..
at least i think so and I'd spend days on drawing the Ship and show everyone .

But in fact .. in the 3 remaining years ( years yes , the time flew by ) in Dharamsala not only i failed to put a word down on this , fearing it's going to look awkward ,
even while I worked out good few translations from the Tibetan Buddhist scriptures at the same time ,
this was something I believed I have to keep secret till it can be told . To the right person at the right time .

I fear i failed on that too . Or maybe the right person and right time did not come yet but it's getting late for me ..


Unlike ever before in life , this has scared plenty of good people from me in life ..and what I really needed , personal communication, almost never occurred .
Unless for friends who wanted just about anything else than THIS.

So in effect , feelings of social calms and safe belonging to somebody .. have missed me too .
It's mostly anonymous voices and friends telling me 'be strong' and 'you have to do without it' . Bumps to walls . Another wall . The game I can not play .


Survived many trials till now and the world is big and it can not be that someone else , somewhere would not be happy about my mind and memories , for real .

So all the rest may happen too ...

Blessings :Angel:



Thank you for your reply :thumbsup:

I would like to make sure that I clearly understand what you are saying, so please forgive me for asking you these questions:

1. Are you saying that you have not been successful in telling the story of your experience in Bodhgaya in a way that makes you happy?

2. In this sentence: To the right person at the right time . I fear i failed on that too . Or maybe the right person and right time did not come yet but it's getting late for me ..
.

Please explain what you mean with "it's getting late for me...". Last question: are you ok?

Many blessings to you.

JC

[kirolak]

Thank you again, this time for the link. . I understand German comfortably, so no problem - I will watch it tomorrow, am off work with the flu.

[kirolak]

I am also Buddhist, in that I acknowledge the Four Noble Truths, & try to live without causing harm; but am saddened to see that not one of the monks spoke up for the monkey-slaves who were confined at the end of ropes around their necks & made to jump & grin :( at around 47:00

Ceremonies mean little if one does not live one's truth, I feel. And the birds, captured & caged for a ceremonious "release", are also victims of abuse. The same thing takes place in Thailand, where birds are captured, sold & released into a mockery of freedom.

There's a Jataka which tells of a monk who sat rubbing & polishing a stone; when the Buddha asked why, he replied that he was making a mirror. The Buddha is supposed to have said that no amount of polishing a stone will turn it into a mirror. . . . .

[Agape]

Thank you for your reply :thumbsup:

I would like to make sure that I clearly understand what you are saying, so please forgive me for asking you these questions:

1. Are you saying that you have not been successful in telling the story of your experience in Bodhgaya in a way that makes you happy?

2. In this sentence: To the right person at the right time . I fear i failed on that too . Or maybe the right person and right time did not come yet but it's getting late for me ..
.

Please explain what you mean with "it's getting late for me...". Last question: are you ok?

Many blessings to you.

JC


Dear JC .., thanks for your intuitive questions . I suppose I should return to explaining more about the topic of 'ET memories' itself and how they differ from human memories /consciousness later on in a day , or two
so maybe the topic proves its own worth but yet , with something so rare .. the benefit does not seem to befit many people .

If only I could answer your questions once for all perhaps it would help dissipate the clouds and darkness surrounding us .
One common misunderstanding seems to do something with 'sharing the story' .

I've not been on internet a lot through last half year or more but yesterday and almost immediately after my post here went out , just another friend on my Skype contact list went to 'wise stalker' mode and started to flood me with messages ,
suggesting all the wrongs and how everyone have experiences but me, i've tried to make 'my experience' look special and having interviews out there ,
and not ever satisfied and we're all one in God but i can't get it .. and so forth .

I tried to say goodnight and he/she/it probably , just tried to say hello . I'm not overly paranoid but each time I post in open , sooner or later someone lets me know this is not alright to do .

I was not born to this 'social media' age and not feeling quite comfy with things like personal blogs, face books, twitters or posting about daily life on a go .
Quite private person if you ask .. and explaining here how and why , my sacred private life went haywire . Can't make sense to lots many people because you know what you do here , after all .
It's not likely I'd be asking those individuals for counselling or that i long to belong or become who they are .
Wishing to connect ..yes , but not for the sake of story telling .

Some of those chance onlookers never read or seen any of the report and the meaning of the term 'report' itself escapes them .
Reporting facts is very different from wanting to write a novel or sharing personal story .

If they can't get it right ..my presence in open is both ridiculous and harmful to the cause . I predicted this long ago and before I was ever forced down to things like internet forums .

Nothing in the Universe happens just 'somehow' . The 'story' I had to tell to those few scientists I could foresee who would be interested and involved
had to do with explaining not only about ETs but also how humanity started on Earth ,
and the whole process , logic of how it happened .

I suppose it's because I studied maths and natural sciences for most of my higher school education and before i left to India so i have good sense of logic and find thinking in abstract values easy , so I can explain the 'maths' of what has happened .

I think that would be relevant point for many aspiring scientists should they admit interest in the 'ET presence' on Earth after all .

A key to understanding how can we talk to the ET at some point , perhaps because 'ET' wants to talk to us and feeling but another level of difficulty with 'how to connect' .

Something in between those lines ..

Most people really can't get it from the start and they better don't ask questions because they better 'keep presuming ' and many are also caught in the net of internet/government conspiracies shrouding the subject .
I've been involved in here , genuinely enough, for many years .. to know what a belief in such 'conspiracy circuit' does to an individual . Unfortunately also many - if not most - new and incoming witnesses nowadays come with their testimonies filtering themselves through the 'conspiracy net' .
It shows how this already became part of common social programming .. and not something isolated or reserved to few individuals who think they have contacts with 'secret agents' .
Nowadays and due to worldwide information spread .. ask the youngster in last Indian or African village who consider themselves 'educated' about ETs&UFOs and they will confirm that the 'military are hiding the truth' and objects and entities have been witnessed worldwide , it's just the government who does not want you to know .

In effect ... any sort of 'research ' or 'journalism' in the area mentioned above is likewise screwed by overwhelming conspiracy theory .
On the top of the proverbial 'research pyramids' there are people who have been made to believe lots of things and other people and heard and seen too much to see anything too clearly anymore .
They've just heard 'the story' retold another times and another times , and another times . Like in the scientology tale where new born souls are placed to a theater and shown propaganda movies till they faint . And then they're shown more , another movies and faint again so everyone forgets what they saw .

Personally , if I was involved in similar mindset before .. I don't think I'd have been allowed to see the ET truth as such . It requires space and peace in your mind to see things clearly .


To answer your questions directly ..

1. No because I intended to report the facts with all the details that would probably be only relevant on research/science level and never had the aspiration to 'share it as story' knowing how very difficult this is for any common mind to accept .

Read the logic before you criticise my wording please . Or before jumping to conclusions . I've never aspired this to be a story to share .

I've allowed this to go 'mainstream' after much pleading usually .. is what no one can see at the end , and after I've realised how cut off is the 'conspirative research community' from real science and not saying it's their fault .
So this ought to be something like 'call for scientists' but that's before I also realised that afore mentioned 'scientists' regard sites such as the Camelot Productions as total phantasmagoria and more you keep pressing on the 'gov knows it all' buttons.

Kerry herself on explaining my plea said something like .. 'but we also have scientists in the project, Richard Hoagland for example' .

2. I've been so blessed that after the event .. I had peace and time enough to meditate and be alone , and be where I wanted to be .. in the monastery ,
and after returning to Europe , life went little more traumatic of course
but mum survived her own trials and so , i still had place to be and supports for many years , almost 10 years ..
unfortunately, people in the so called 'research community' and my best friends none knew any better way with it than what it seems ..

and of course , the 'safe situation' i'm in temporarily won't last forever and i'm not wishing to go to personal details that would only attract more people attacking.

As an entity it seems, I'm still evolving .. its own way . So there's some hope ..

as 'human being' , I can handle much less than would be required , under circumstances to continue unsupported and unaccompanied life in Europe .

It's still ok at the moment . When it won't be I won't be writing here .


Blessings to you :heart:

[JChombre]

Thank you for your reply :thumbsup:

I would like to make sure that I clearly understand what you are saying, so please forgive me for asking you these questions:

1. Are you saying that you have not been successful in telling the story of your experience in Bodhgaya in a way that makes you happy?

2. In this sentence: To the right person at the right time . I fear i failed on that too . Or maybe the right person and right time did not come yet but it's getting late for me ..
.

Please explain what you mean with "it's getting late for me...". Last question: are you ok?

Many blessings to you.

JC


Dear JC .., thanks for your intuitive questions . I suppose I should return to explaining more about the topic of 'ET memories' itself and how they differ from human memories /consciousness later on in a day , or two
so maybe the topic proves its own worth but yet , with something so rare .. the benefit does not seem to befit many people .

If only I could answer your questions once for all perhaps it would help dissipate the clouds and darkness surrounding us .
One common misunderstanding seems to do something with 'sharing the story' .

I've not been on internet a lot through last half year or more but yesterday and almost immediately after my post here went out , just another friend on my Skype contact list went to 'wise stalker' mode and started to flood me with messages ,
suggesting all the wrongs and how everyone have experiences but me, i've tried to make 'my experience' look special and having interviews out there ,
and not ever satisfied and we're all one in God but i can't get it .. and so forth .

I tried to say goodnight and he/she/it probably , just tried to say hello . I'm not overly paranoid but each time I post in open , sooner or later someone lets me know this is not alright to do .

I was not born to this 'social media' age and not feeling quite comfy with things like personal blogs, face books, twitters or posting about daily life on a go .
Quite private person if you ask .. and explaining here how and why , my sacred private life went haywire . Can't make sense to lots many people because you know what you do here , after all .
It's not likely I'd be asking those individuals for counselling or that i long to belong or become who they are .
Wishing to connect ..yes , but not for the sake of story telling .

Some of those chance onlookers never read or seen any of the report and the meaning of the term 'report' itself escapes them .
Reporting facts is very different from wanting to write a novel or sharing personal story .

If they can't get it right ..my presence in open is both ridiculous and harmful to the cause . I predicted this long ago and before I was ever forced down to things like internet forums .

Nothing in the Universe happens just 'somehow' . The 'story' I had to tell to those few scientists I could foresee who would be interested and involved
had to do with explaining not only about ETs but also how humanity started on Earth ,
and the whole process , logic of how it happened .

I suppose it's because I studied maths and natural sciences for most of my higher school education and before i left to India so i have good sense of logic and find thinking in abstract values easy , so I can explain the 'maths' of what has happened .

I think that would be relevant point for many aspiring scientists should they admit interest in the 'ET presence' on Earth after all .

A key to understanding how can we talk to the ET at some point , perhaps because 'ET' wants to talk to us and feeling but another level of difficulty with 'how to connect' .

Something in between those lines ..

Most people really can't get it from the start and they better don't ask questions because they better 'keep presuming ' and many are also caught in the net of internet/government conspiracies shrouding the subject .
I've been involved in here , genuinely enough, for many years .. to know what a belief in such 'conspiracy circuit' does to an individual . Unfortunately also many - if not most - new and incoming witnesses nowadays come with their testimonies filtering themselves through the 'conspiracy net' .
It shows how this already became part of common social programming .. and not something isolated or reserved to few individuals who think they have contacts with 'secret agents' .
Nowadays and due to worldwide information spread .. ask the youngster in last Indian or African village who consider themselves 'educated' about ETs&UFOs and they will confirm that the 'military are hiding the truth' and objects and entities have been witnessed worldwide , it's just the government who does not want you to know .

In effect ... any sort of 'research ' or 'journalism' in the area mentioned above is likewise screwed by overwhelming conspiracy theory .
On the top of the proverbial 'research pyramids' there are people who have been made to believe lots of things and other people and heard and seen too much to see anything too clearly anymore .
They've just heard 'the story' retold another times and another times , and another times . Like in the scientology tale where new born souls are placed to a theater and shown propaganda movies till they faint . And then they're shown more , another movies and faint again so everyone forgets what they saw .

Personally , if I was involved in similar mindset before .. I don't think I'd have been allowed to see the ET truth as such . It requires space and peace in your mind to see things clearly .


To answer your questions directly ..

1. No because I intended to report the facts with all the details that would probably be only relevant on research/science level and never had the aspiration to 'share it as story' knowing how very difficult this is for any common mind to accept .

Read the logic before you criticise my wording please . Or before jumping to conclusions . I've never aspired this to be a story to share .

I've allowed this to go 'mainstream' after much pleading usually .. is what no one can see at the end , and after I've realised how cut off is the 'conspirative research community' from real science and not saying it's their fault .
So this ought to be something like 'call for scientists' but that's before I also realised that afore mentioned 'scientists' regard sites such as the Camelot Productions as total phantasmagoria and more you keep pressing on the 'gov knows it all' buttons.

Kerry herself on explaining my plea said something like .. 'but we also have scientists in the project, Richard Hoagland for example' .

2. I've been so blessed that after the event .. I had peace and time enough to meditate and be alone , and be where I wanted to be .. in the monastery ,
and after returning to Europe , life went little more traumatic of course
but mum survived her own trials and so , i still had place to be and supports for many years , almost 10 years ..
unfortunately, people in the so called 'research community' and my best friends none knew any better way with it than what it seems ..

and of course , the 'safe situation' i'm in temporarily won't last forever and i'm not wishing to go to personal details that would only attract more people attacking.

As an entity it seems, I'm still evolving .. its own way . So there's some hope ..

as 'human being' , I can handle much less than would be required , under circumstances to continue unsupported and unaccompanied life in Europe .

It's still ok at the moment . When it won't be I won't be writing here .


Blessings to you :heart:



Hi Agape, thank you so much for answering my questions; and for providing more information about your situation. I am looking forward to reading your information on ET contacts.

As far as most of the challenges that you mentioned in your post, what I see is that you have been blessed with an incredible multidimensional experience at Bodhgaya, and that makes you a very unique person :Angel:. As a result, I think that it is difficult for you to fit in, or sometime find any logic in this 3D world with its internet and people playing silly stupid games... The path that you chose in this life time is most certainly challenging but you chose it because you can make it works. So, I know that somehow, things are going to work out for you.

One thing that I would like to mention to you is not to expect that a scientific examination of your information and data will validate your mystical experience in Bodhgaya. In so many words, please don’t expect a lot of recognition from the scientific community… Unfortunately the scientific method used in scientific research is not designed to validate spiritual/mystical experiences. However, I don't mean to say that someone with a good background in evolutionary biology for instance, cannot study your experience in Bodhgaya. He/she just cannot validate it with the current scientific methodology.

Again, thank you for sharing and blessings to you.

JC

[Agape]

Hello JC,

it was not spiritual/mystical experience hence all the trouble . Hence all the fight for truth, justice , and freedom.

I'm not missing the logical part of my brain, the discernment , self-assessment and reality sense , can't imagine I would .
But such an 'argument' potentially stands against me from any doubting person and audience , guess you'd have to tests the 'subjects' valid reasoning and mental faculties first of all , then judge .
Of course you may also insist that anyone can get carried on by spiritual/mystical experiences and that scientists do not know what are they exactly - that's how and why they're called mystical and spiritual, after all .

You're rather correct in the presumption where effects of multidimensionality on particular 3D space are difficult to judge from 'within'.
Such as an intrusion of a 3D object on 2D plane would be hard to predict for inhabitants of the 2D plane .

Self-critically and ironically , I seem to be very behind my own capability - for a wannabe ET - reason for which was mostly , lack of adequate and sentient communication during those years and after .

This is real . It's part of what has happened , happening , lasting for years now and where no one can see from outside .

It's this 'ETs' longer story . It's hard to say how or why this exactly has occurred but so it did .
My life was challenging from early on , for various reasons but as a kid , I was all to science and medicine in particular and that was my life saver ,
perhaps showing all the competitions passed and little papers completed in that small age would help .. , or my mensa card , something like that .

I did lots of maths as teenager and my deeper interests changed once again and having inner and 'spiritual' experiences in those days was no way easy
because no one was even willing to hear or talk about those, in family or otherwise and my deeper search was fluctuating somewhere between 'mathematical theorems' and 'spiritual insights' leading to truth better and after few years ,
spiritual insights won and /but I left to India to meet the 'real seers' for I did not see truth could have been met in the same way on the continent here,
not in the uncorrupted form .

India has long way with truth and preserving knowledge, going deep to history , predating its own legends ,
much of it isn't widely known , partially due to the way they were considered '3rd world' by H.M. British government and looked down as such , one of those retrograde cultures waiting to be evolved .
Hence : absence of historical information that is much vaster than its Euro/American cousins about its ancient languages , collections of philosophical and scientific writings and the level of debate going on among pundits is common feature .

The proximity of old teachers and studying scriptures and language ( Sanskrit ) who is a predecessor of most of our Eurasian linguistic heritage , unraveling the inner link between 'scientific' and 'spiritual' made my life more meaningful in that young age of 19 and offered some deep and real answers ,
on which I was able to hold and expand philosophically for many years yet and teach others , simultaneously .

My 'inner ET' did not crash there .. it rather met new adventurous and real study field .

Then of course , be this my fault .. I have to admit I was longing deeply for some solitude . Because looking within I was working out more than I could safely pass to others and teaching at the same time .
I was 26 .. I know it's not quite right to say in open but i was hardly ever conventional case . I had students of all ages but did not have 'peers' since long ago.
I felt old .. and all I wanted to go for in those days , secretly , was life long meditation retreat ,
such as they do in the Tibetan monasteries or did , in the past . It's becoming more and more difficult to do one nowadays because clean , unpolluted , solitary BUT safe places are more difficult to find .

Especially for a girl , and many of the aged yogis who want to live undisturbed they still have to cope with people disturbing and attacking their humble dwellings and then , the ability to cope with nature : cold, hunger, how to make fire and keep your life intact out there certainly does not come at once . I was not born to that environment and not quite ready so temple was my only option
and it so just happened .

In particular , it happened due to the big Kalachakra Mandala on the wall .. and I stayed in front of that mandala for almost 6 years, day by day and of course I learned many other things as well in the Tibetan environment that was both new and old to me at the same time ..
but it offered something more to study , to understand, path that was multileveled and multifocal and had its teachers and way to go.

There's a saying in India and one of those I've heard from H.H.Dalailama , ''there are many good teachers but fewer good students'' .
Everybody wants to be a teacher , an accomplished guru, CEO, head of the institution, passing their talents forwards from young age but there are few of those who commit themselves to serious study - of any topic i suppose - through out their lives .

So I decided to be a student of Life instead and could have some of the solitude I needed to explore the physics of time and space and mind and matter .

It was both scientific and spiritual at the same time . I've seen more 'powers' in action and secrets than I'd be ever able to tell .

But what was important in it is that I only saw them when I understood how they work and what is the causality chain.

Buddhism much like modern science is not based on believing something, it's basing itself on correct understanding of causes and consequences .

That's in short of course otherwise this would turn to long unreadable paragraph ..


So to jump near the end , as far as I can say , what I saw in Bodhgaya , a peek to much more complex and technically endowed reality was perfectly based in reality for whatever reality is worth to you .

Beyond that it was too huge to overlook . General audience may not understand about that part correctly but Buddhist environment and monastic studies , including meditative experience are passing through lots of skeptic checks , precisely because dealing with something 'intangible' requires controls .
If such were not available the system in its entirety would collapse long ago. So there are lineages of more and less experienced teachers , there's discipline and no 'chat' about experiences at all, except for when they get very serious .. and save for western fiction genre books ( of course ).
Everyone around holds to the same principle and 'noble silence' makes things easy .


It just does not make easy to talk.

Moving through time .. back and forth, have you seen the movie Life of Pi (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454876/)( I did last winter in Dharamsala and it tragicomically reminded me of some own events even if the tiger is missing ) ,
I'd have had better chance after this event if I just ran to police station .. and told them what's happened but you know,
I'm neither the type to want to cause panic and Indian police can be dangerous guys as well .

I was under small pressure to speak Tibetan as matter of choice , or Hindi rather than English in those years because I was 'supposed' to learn .

When I returned back to Prague in 2005 , because I had to see mum and report this event ,
speaking of ET event , not for it being mystical and spiritual, it took almost 2 or 3 months before I could open up about it anyway .

It was exciting time and culture shock at the same time, I had to understand almost instantly on coming back here that perhaps 90% of my 'temple status' and 'knowing' available to everyone back there is of no use in this mundane version of world and society .
They were not even overly interested and I was not used to talk a lot . So I kept quiet ,
and the history goes on...


won't feed the rest to the Tiger today but enough to say , the problems and solutions are seldom in what's obvious , with me at least .
I did not change much on outside - at least not from what me or anyone could see - and that seems to go along my little human life as well, since I was kid .

In India we call it 'monkey see monkey do' :ROFL: If people see a girl they smile , it's all that is important to them .
If you smile back it means 'all ok'. They never suppose you'd be thinking creature unless you talk a lot and they don't expect you to be able to solve equations unless you make them sit for an hour and follow .
Likewise , they don't expect reality sense in you and don't seek to help you out with the 'precious stuff' unless , you make it obvious .

Communication is a problem in general because we ETs and most of information to be shared .. is not language based .

Human sourced information is .. it's how you acquire information either by 'learning' or by 'experience' . Both are 'valid methods'.

You can either observe someone else cooking and learn by experience or, follow the protocol as described in a book.

Anything else is similar . What I saw was not learned from human person or a book, so to describe it in todays common language - is fairly challenging task
because languages are not else than semi-closed systems . They're not 'perfect' or 'ultimate' nature of mind.
They're just one type of programming we acquire from our parents, teachers and text books.

When you're starring directly to face of other , complicated reality, to jump back and translate to words is not always easy .

The importance of what I saw in my best opinion is that 'we are' the link, the predecessor of modern human came from Stars and was/is biologically , different , more advanced type of humanoid if you will.

The importance is in correct understanding of causes and consequences which is what makes science stand on two feet , before it ever applies 'scientific method' .

That reality and 'ours here' of course look very far apart . But there's still me that could see it means that it can be seen and there's relevance of it for this very world .


Communication of course ... is a problem .

Last few years even gave me a jolt and most of the 'work' on this subject was confined to computer and people who have no experience of me in reality , so discussing 'reality sense' with any such individuals may always turn bit treacherous .
Because in truth , human brains do have errors, some of them we can correct , others can't .

I can't say 'doesn't matter' because most of my life and experience is 'too much' on common person and they don't react well when being told .
Heavily spiritual or religious people are often quite hard to talk to at all and they seem to posses one or two sets of answers to everything.

Some so called 'scientists' are quite 'religious' about their predicaments as well . They 'do science' but behave very religiously otherwise.

On the other hand , as spiritual student you can apply scientific thinking to what you do and experience and improve your thinking and life in many ways.

So giving up on either is not a well meant option. It just means that the 'right person' have to have the quest, the desire to hear, see and know
and not just being programmed to 'we know most of it and we know how gullible you are - from face looks' . That's not a scientific answer . That's more like millennia old patriarchal stake towards 'weaker gender' .
Applied to general society paradigm , it's called bullying and for someone turning autistic due to their traumatic life events,

there's no way out of it, communication or other-wise at all .

It's death sentence for me from those people . Because I can't connect to much things in this world at all and this was the guiding moment , the moment that elucidated the sense of why it is and I could explain all the causality and maths,

if one of them even .. had the little 'spark' in their minds to understand there's something more going on .


It's strangely so that the rest about human life does not make much sense without that explanation.

It just is and continue to be ..and if I vanish today or tomorrow it will continue to be too ..


Thanks for the great discussion JC . Hope you don't take it wrong :Party:



Blessings :flower:



Life of Pi can be watched here : http://www.veoh.com/watch/v77775823AzP3nbXN It's an epic movie .. one that won't spoil your evening , and good for seekers of all ages.


As a footnote I'd add and speaking from life experience and what I've seen during my life , of course you don't know me but .. you'd not wish me to be 'more spiritual' .
I'm still and more often approached on the 'spirituality' topic as it's been inevitable part of my life path but I faithfully left teaching to others who feel called towards evolving themselves thus and through their particular environs
because 'environment' is important part of your 'spirituality' and everything else goes along with it, your cultures , languages , ethnic and/or tribal heritage ,
from the years when I was teaching actively I understood that explaining 'spirituality' alone without embracing and studying human cultures and the way they relate people to 'higher realms' is fairly impossible .

It does not matter at all what kind of religious ( or spiritual ) backgrounds do you hail from , what matters is studying them deeply instead just 'following customs' and understanding their essential meaning and how they are applicable or not to your reality here , your real life .

Without firm grounding in rational and scientific thinking , blind faith is dangerous to people though , in my opinion , the same way science is dangerous without ethics and deeper introspection.

Self-reflection .. whether it leads to meditative experience or not should be a part of our education curriculums and monks and nuns should likewise , get science lessons .

As the saying goes ''bird flies for it has two wings'' , the same goes for our brain , the scientific and intuitive and so forth .

I've seen tens and hundreds today perhaps, books written on this subject alone by people trying to bridge the fictional gap between who we are and who we ought to be .

The goal of most spiritual or religious systems , at the end, really is not in becoming someone else than who you are . It's also not - surprisingly for many aspirants - in abiding in some 'great truth' or 'one-ness with everything'
because all such 'experiences' , even if they last for the rest of your natural life time do not equal finding yourself, the Self who is the knower, the thinker , the experiencer and so forth .

Not sure if this explains how I stepped away from all the systems I ever studied after gaining deeper insight to reality and why I won't go back to any of them unless on still deeper , individual level . If it was not for science .. the whole episode could well end me up in madhouse and I have seen few people who were so affected ,
in the Bodhgaya 2002 itself and they were unfortunately too close to me to miss.

Maybe you think that I'm asking for explanations and trying to hold on to human reality but in fact, no , I came back to the human reality to explain ,
rather than otherwise .

It's being 'mission impossible' in many aspects and reserved mostly for much tougher individuals than i'm and it may be that ( get relieved by my end-life notes please ) the times are not ready and all the other cliches we all heard ten times
and I'm all eager to jump back to where I came from , when they call me off , beg they will .


:shielddeflect:

[Agape]

This is an important paragraph and gist of all that matters , that's why I'm highlighting it ..



One thing that I would like to mention to you is not to expect that a scientific examination of your information and data will validate your mystical experience in Bodhgaya. In so many words, please don’t expect a lot of recognition from the scientific community… Unfortunately the scientific method used in scientific research is not designed to validate spiritual/mystical experiences. However, I don't mean to say that someone with a good background in evolutionary biology for instance, cannot study your experience in Bodhgaya. He/she just cannot validate it with the current scientific methodology.

and yes , if that's the only answer and I've ran through the probability counts many times in my head already ,
the probability that I'll be treated well by any sort of scientific authority on reporting this all, as single witness , without providing straight material proof of evidence
is much smaller than being able to get myself 'back home' through whatever wormhole
is available even if I have to run.

It's about the two directional options .. and no way it means I'm walking over corpses here or skipping service to mankind whenever I can serve it well .

It's just the fact that there's no authority in this world I could trust myself to with confidence and explain , without being automatically thrown to a pit containing millions of other peoples 'mystical experiences' .

What about the rest of people .. of whom most are inclined to follow level headed education and scientific authorities in life unless it's Pope . ( tempted to name Nick Pope , well , not ). How can those poor dears make any sense of me .

Is potential 'evolutionary biologist' able to get me through sort of medical checks or even DNA analysis , for the love of life ? To validate there's a biological factor I'm talking about all the way through ?
To even start listening to the rest ?

Of course, why would anyone do that .

I've had mum who passed away year ago and there was already more strangeness than commonly available in her medical records ,

and I think that's it . People in my 'conventional age' unless they are somehow very ill or disabled keep thinking and moving forwards .

From all I've gathered so far moving forwards is not an option for self-proclaimed ET monicker of sorts . Like in WWII, i could well be a Jew , any option for someone like that to move forwards unless you have lots of money to pay your way through ?
No way . Just keep surviving then give up.

Yes it's the 21st century now but the world has not moved forwards that much.

I can be a 'scapegoat' by volition , sign me to one of those therapy groups with whomever for $30 half an hour ,
I will make their head spin but importantly , the money keeps moving .

Could try more herbs and more methods . All alone for who on Earth would love person like me .

I tried the hardest possible to make me move on before someone else will and it would be harder .

Suffered few falls and commotions already and it did not help a lot .


I don't know how does it help beating the life out of body just because you can't communicate with ETI. Altogether useless, I agree.



:bigsmile:

[Agape]

Can tell you of my little experience from when I was about 9 year old , mystical it was , whether caused by wind , ETs or humans to this day I have no idea but it's infinitely smaller than my Bodhgaya report and yet ,
illustrates how being forced to admitting lies to an authority plays a havoc in ones life and others.

My mum nervous after divorce still smoked cigarettes in those days though she knew it's all wrong and I knew it's all wrong but she'd use stress and not talking as form of excuse and punishment together with 'going to have one and then you see' whenever she felt I'm a cause of her troubles .
I know she hated the stress and sometimes me and the cigarettes too but it was her way to cope with the 'corners' .

On that faithful Sunday , not sure why I remember that she ran out of cigarettes and was getting mad , and shops were closed . So the only option was local pub and I was handed 20 czech crown note ( who knows how many pounds was it in those days , very little ) and sent to bring the favourite pack for mad bear mom.

I was happy to get out one way or another and it should not taken me more than , say 10 or 20 minutes to get back because the pub was behind corner . Place that smelled so badly to me and we never went there otherwise .

Skipping from road to pavement in my usual style .. the street was empty ... and wind blew against me , out of nowhere, I lost hold of the blue note and it seemed to have danced in the wind playfully and had to end up somewhere ..
under one of the parked cars ?
Worse , it could have slipped to the sewage canal covered by thick iron cage . The street was small enough to be searched and yet , with all senses sharpened I could not find the note .
The event itself was so improbable I did not know how to apologise , time was running out , knowing mum will be crazy ..

I still went back and told the truth . Lost the note . I can assure you the following was not about money .

Of course, mum stated I'm lying totally convinced of her adult super-views and sent me out to bring it back. Situation was getting worse .. late Sunday afternoon and people started to return from weekend .
I searched for the stupid note for another hour till it was stir clear it's nowhere around ..
and mum threatened me all in the world including being sent to young offenders home or returned to papa for being nasty kid .

In tears and despair , I went down to continue the search again .. and knowing nothing will convince mum of evidence being absent , obviously , in last spark of hope I ran to friends house ,
and broke to friends big brothers coin box , counted the exact sum - but the clay box was broken - and went back to appease mum with coins , this time for she demanded 'the money back' .

Forget the pub . In the meantime, friends parents returned from outside , found what has happened , were told it was me and came up in hurry to alert the already crazy mama.

The witch hunt already started .. so I ran around the streets and parks , small enough as I was in those days fearing her wrath , returned late after 8 pm hoping all had enough and cooled down since .

Yes they did , it was all 'smoothed' , we had to go to apologise to our neighbours , made feeling guilty as possible .
Mum was told to be nice to me and that was it for the day or two . Till she got convinced of something else ..

who hid her pen ? It had to be me, no one else here anyway . Who broke the plastic handle on her kitchen whatever cutter ?
Me ? I was never interested in her kitchen stuff and god forbid I'd hide her pens .

Yet .. I was called all from little monster to liar because it was her vs me and no witnesses around .

I wonder how I grew up . Longing for justice . How possibly does this ever repeat on such a grand scale I have no idea .


:(


I suppose it's how it ends each time because there's nothing human adults live for more than their pride and convictions.

Internally, the situation is about the same , being humiliated and pressed to submission , blatantly overheard , deemed unworthy , and wee... it can get much worse . And .. there's nowhere to run .

It's never clear to me .. at the end .. for what should I apologise anymore, what do people want me 'to confess' , what to admit to , I'm sort of grown up now .. but in this case ..

I can't trust anybody . Even in those days trusting anybody was difficult for all people were convinced of , 'such a good mum, family, she knows better' .

No one will ever know what will happen with me . Just wasted life . Making one error after another . The Boss here has to love me for being humiliated . Cheers .

[JChombre]

Can tell you of my little experience from when I was about 9 year old , mystical it was , whether caused by wind , ETs or humans to this day I have no idea but it's infinitely smaller than my Bodhgaya report and yet ,
illustrates how being forced to admitting lies to an authority plays a havoc in ones life and others.

My mum nervous after divorce still smoked cigarettes in those days though she knew it's all wrong and I knew it's all wrong but she'd use stress and not talking as form of excuse and punishment together with 'going to have one and then you see' whenever she felt I'm a cause of her troubles .
I know she hated the stress and sometimes me and the cigarettes too but it was her way to cope with the 'corners' .

On that faithful Sunday , not sure why I remember that she ran out of cigarettes and was getting mad , and shops were closed . So the only option was local pub and I was handed 20 czech crown note ( who knows how many pounds was it in those days , very little ) and sent to bring the favourite pack for mad bear mom.

I was happy to get out one way or another and it should not taken me more than , say 10 or 20 minutes to get back because the pub was behind corner . Place that smelled so badly to me and we never went there otherwise .

Skipping from road to pavement in my usual style .. the street was empty ... and wind blew against me , out of nowhere, I lost hold of the blue note and it seemed to have danced in the wind playfully and had to end up somewhere ..
under one of the parked cars ?
Worse , it could have slipped to the sewage canal covered by thick iron cage . The street was small enough to be searched and yet , with all senses sharpened I could not find the note .
The event itself was so improbable I did not know how to apologise , time was running out , knowing mum will be crazy ..

I still went back and told the truth . Lost the note . I can assure you the following was not about money .

Of course, mum stated I'm lying totally convinced of her adult super-views and sent me out to bring it back. Situation was getting worse .. late Sunday afternoon and people started to return from weekend .
I searched for the stupid note for another hour till it was stir clear it's nowhere around ..
and mum threatened me all in the world including being sent to young offenders home or returned to papa for being nasty kid .

In tears and despair , I went down to continue the search again .. and knowing nothing will convince mum of evidence being absent , obviously , in last spark of hope I ran to friends house ,
and broke to friends big brothers coin box , counted the exact sum - but the clay box was broken - and went back to appease mum with coins , this time for she demanded 'the money back' .

Forget the pub . In the meantime, friends parents returned from outside , found what has happened , were told it was me and came up in hurry to alert the already crazy mama.

The witch hunt already started .. so I ran around the streets and parks , small enough as I was in those days fearing her wrath , returned late after 8 pm hoping all had enough and cooled down since .

Yes they did , it was all 'smoothed' , we had to go to apologise to our neighbours , made feeling guilty as possible .
Mum was told to be nice to me and that was it for the day or two . Till she got convinced of something else ..

who hid her pen ? It had to be me, no one else here anyway . Who broke the plastic handle on her kitchen whatever cutter ?
Me ? I was never interested in her kitchen stuff and god forbid I'd hide her pens .

Yet .. I was called all from little monster to liar because it was her vs me and no witnesses around .

]I wonder how I grew up . Longing for justice . How possibly does this ever repeat on such a grand scale I have no idea .[/B]


:(


I suppose it's how it ends each time because there's nothing human adults live for more than their pride and convictions.

Internally, the situation is about the same , being humiliated and pressed to submission , blatantly overheard , deemed unworthy , and wee... it can get much worse . And .. there's nowhere to run .

It's never clear to me .. at the end .. for what should I apologise anymore, what do people want me 'to confess' , what to admit to , I'm sort of grown up now .. but in this case ..

I can't trust anybody . Even in those days trusting anybody was difficult for all people were convinced of , 'such a good mum, family, she knows better' .

No one will ever know what will happen with me . Just wasted life . Making one error after another . The Boss here has to love me for being humiliated . Cheers .


Dear Eva,

Thank you for opening up more in your last two posts. As you can see above, I have highlighted and/or bolded some of the text that you wrote in your last post. I will not be available until late Friday because of work-related issues... Then I will talk to you because there are a little bit of concern with what I see in your post... And I think that's what I sensed when I first talk to you.

Much blessings to you :sun:.

JC

[Agape]

Dear JC,

I apologise this time for I went bit 'down under' in my own argument about truths , yet bigger truths , lies and points of view .

Sometimes it helps to fight own prejudice, other times not . Human sourced arguments , emotions , aggression are as far from 'ET memories' as they can be ..
the polar opposite in fact .

All of my ET reconnection , sure much has been already shared within the Witness board here happened in times&places of peace and spiritual comfort .
It's one big reason why I'm longing to return to that 'place' so much and find a way for everyone else to see it for real .

The human world from what we've been witnessing over and over again can turn destructive , in small and big ways , both .
If I allow the world to take over .. and get overwhelmed by things I can not really handle , physically or mentally , as an entity , most of the force no matter how wasteful it seems is converted to resistance .
It's one part of what I'll have to sort out , practically .. so I can continue with my search/research on the topic .

Wishing all calm and carefree rest of the week ... can't wait for weekend .


Blessings :flower::raining:

[Agape]

Thank you for opening up more in your last two posts. As you can see above, I have highlighted and/or bolded some of the text that you wrote in your last post. I will not be available until late Friday because of work-related issues... Then I will talk to you because there are a little bit of concern with what I see in your post... And I think that's what I sensed when I first talk to you.



It's two different , overlapping layers of reality I'm trying to recall and compare here but the episode with lost note was not isolated or unusual for that period of time of my childhood though , maybe I just remember it more than the others
because of the causality chain of events and how they followed one another ,
with striking clarity .

The strongest feeling I could retrieve back from that day was something like ''wish I never have to see those people again''.

It was not only from my 'little point of view' that those characters were temporarily beyond fix .
It took 3 more decades at least before I could appreciate fully how nerve wrecked my mum felt after divorce and her partner aka my dad leaving her after 12 years of love filled marriage .

And it took few more years , at least those running through my teenage before I realised there's something serious going on with her and sought some form of psychological counselling , even then , it was me who sought help not my mum.

Ask any victim of physical or psychological abuse how easy it is to report what's happening or trust themselves to another adult 'authority' , in fact , reporting yourself more often lands you in worse situation than the one you started with .
The 'self-reporting victim' tends to be the first suspect , especially when coming from 'orderly family' .
For some reason but don't ask me why , I don't know the answer , in our times parents /adults were automatically trusted first when it came to testifying events .

There were no real options for rectification of that situation practically, either .

But how does it connect to here at all ...

Did I call the 'otherworldly forces' with my strong wish on the run ? There were no immediate effects or 'movie like signs' attesting to it I could recognise ,
no 'help from heaven' , no 'old wise man' saving me on the road , not either of them.

But in the same age .. and totally apart from my outer sufferings , my inner experiences , intangible to all were 'being beautified' .

It was in the hours before going to sleep when I could 'switch off' the human experiencer and personality and not only learned to do that but couldn't wait to do just that , it being the only time I was left to myself undisturbed when I experienced peace and subtle happiness and heard 'music of spheres' and saw movies that could be switched on and off and edited on my command ,
and many other things you might find strange perhaps, or not .

No way I related those to ETs and my only vivid ET visitation comes from years later when I was about 12 ( but you know, 3 years is whole age when you're child ).

I never debated my buoyant inner world with anyone else nor I could . Nobody in the family were 'spiritually oriented' , in fact and except for mums life illness and later transformation as she followed the years of my travels and teachings in her mind,
they were the most earthly and so called 'normal' people you can find and still are .
Most of my classmates were likewise 'too young' in their minds then to catch up on my philosophical deliberations .

Good luck no ETs were ever mentioned and I perfectly understood how they protected me from that information ,
even if the 'giggle factor' is smaller now , the topic was not only a tabu but heavily ridiculed in common society and mostly linked to 'mental cases' .

So also retrospectively , anyone thinking that reporting the whole thing without clue and hope for proof , even after 2005 was a fancy thing to do on my side
or something I'd do - against all my better judgement - without very strong reason

have to be victim of their own social bias .

I can't think of even one case to this day , and after all we've witnessed on the 'alternative media' sites and 'disclosure movement' and so forth , of a person who would not be vilified and ridiculed for reporting ET contact .
There's little if any fairness in it all .


There are plenty of good documentaries made on the topic such as this ...

cYPCKIL7oVw

a friend reminded me of days ago again and it opens with one clear truth , 'UFO/ET contact should be a subject of rigorous scientific investigation rather than rubbishing by tabloid newspapers' .

That's how I feel .

No one , on this site or another have the authority or information to judge 'what's out there' or judge persons testimony as 'personal experience of little impact' .
Likewise , a scientist not willing to listen and see what's being offered and demanding 'peer reviewed paper' from individual who passed through time-space accident is playing fools ,
and following the ages old stigma .

It's the easiest of all things to belittle those who are already weak and alone , be it a child, a woman or an 'alien' .

We all have been through many schools to know well how easy it is to belittle a student or to enforce your view points as a teacher .
These principles are shared , universal ethics you may say , among all forms of human society, be they 'scientific' , 'spiritual' , 'alternative' or any other .

True .. back in the 'west' here , the principle of non-violence and respect to teacher , and respect to Life based on non-violence, truthfulness and generally, absence of guilt are not well known .

People do think nowadays that answers to their 'great questions' can be found on internet or bought for few bucks from one of their net gurus .
It does not seem to require any extra respect . Respect comes down to those sanctioned to beg for life ,
or those who can grant you better freedoms and life .

I've read about people contemplating any 'ET society' without money has to be extremely vile and not sure it made me laugh or cry , finding the whole human concept of endless wars for land , piece of property, owning things or even 'other people' , trees and animals alike quite absurd .

And yet ... it can not be temporarily rectified , abolished , for there would come new humans willing or say 'having to' abuse another humans.

Is it possible to draw a thin line between the two worlds ?

Necessarily , there has to be one .. more so , an abyss of time and space and billions of years of intelligent evolution and yet, are you, am I saying we are trying to connect and yet ,
it's to be easy and down to me alone , no it can't .


:flower:

[Agape]

What's of little worth mentioning to this community in particular are years we spent in the sacred core of Tibetan Buddhism meditating on love and compassion
and the practice continues ..for good few thousands of years .. despite the many challenges and predicaments .

There are no 'hours' to it better than other hours and it does not acquire extra fees .

It's one of the most powerful and essential meditations , contemplations and forms of practice for any religious/spiritual system or out of them , in my opinion.

It has to be done .. from heart .. sending Love .. :sun:


I've heard the following real life story as repeated by H.H. Dalailama during the teachings many times .
It again, is not a lonely story . Comes from one of the lamas/monks who spent more than 20 years in imprisonment by the Chinese communist regime ,
for trying to declare and protest for freedom of Tibet, their homeland .

Hundreds of thousands of people were killed or imprisoned after the Chinese 'Peoples Army' 'liberated' Tibet, from whence called TAR ( Tibetan autonomous region ) within China in 1959 .
Compared to the mass destruction of people and culture in that beautiful , remote ( and spiritual ) land very few managed to escape to exile following H.H. Dalailama ,
the numbers of Tibetan refugees living in exile today are bigger , almost 300 thousand people including new generation of kids
but the legal and humanitarian situation of Tibet did not improve a lot during those almost 67 years .. more than half of century .

Myself I came to Dharamsala in 1994 for the first time , that's almost 22 years ago and lived there for more than 12 years in between ,
so also my knowledge of the topic does not come from mere textbooks . I know many of those people personally, the old and the young and what we've been through ,
over the years .

I'm also quite painfully aware of some of the western media pro-chinese propaganda following hateful spike against Tibetan freedom as if no nation on this Earth possessed legal right to live and strive on their own and cultivate their unique , thousand years ago old cultures .
As if all nations were compulsorily to be sold and enslaved by another, more powerful regimes, leaders and cultures , that all by force ,
using violent means , lies and yet ..proclaiming their interests as superior to humanity .

Between MEN who aspire to be leaders of mankind there's almost always the same sort of emotion coming up again n again,
some call it envy , others jealousy , yet others call it hatred .

It has to be hormonal by nature and caused by millennia of dependence on animal sourced food , in my best observation and opinion.
Even Tibetan people were said to be very violent before they adopted Buddhism and principles of non-violence as their spiritual law .
Nothing in evolution of species or society comes at once . But from the time Tibet adopted Buddhist dharma till now,
after almost 2 thousand years of such conscious evolution, the nation turned to pacifism and contemplation as means to alleviate their suffering .

The story of imprisoned Buddhist monk who likewise suffered many tortures , humiliation, beating and hunger in the prison in the 60/70s but survived and escaped to India so he finally arrived in front of H.H. Dalailama one day ,
is as follows ..

he was just one of many . Hundreds of those who used to make it over every year . They're coming less now because the border controls on Chinese side are too tough .

They come malnourished and beaten , after long journey , with dirt set in the folds of their cloths and bodies .
You can't really fake those people . You can fake one or two , and we know of them too but you can't fake many .

Most of them do not speak English, they used to know only their particular Tibetan dialect and they do speak Chinese nowadays because Chinese is the official language within TAR.

All possible have been smuggled through , torture instruments and photos included . Young nuns and monks who have been hung head down from ceilings and had electric rods stuck in their anus .

The Chinese and some of your Western media call it 'a big lie' .

After more than 150 people committed suicide by igniting themselves in last 10 years ago , for freedom of Tibet,
simple people you may say , of all ages and genders , of all areas .. out of despair and protest against authority,

H.H. Dalailama was to blame . Anyone can open his webpage here and see what the man was doing almost everyday of his life .

http://www.dalailama.com

The content of his teachings and speeches is freely available , to anyone willing to listen and wishing to learn .

Back to that monk who happened to be invited for joint audience with H.H. Dalailama after some time , with other new 'arrivals' and questioned about his experiences in prison and what was the most important moment for him,

he allegedly remained silent for long time but then explained it was compassion for his captors that kept himself in check and prevented losing his 'self' to the pain.
He said that he prayed everyday , no matter what happens next, not to turn to hatred and retain compassion for those torturing him.

H.H. Dalailama always said that he considered the monk to be his own master .


The story no matter how many times I've heard it always made me cry . Hatred and anger are not native to the world where I come from ,
but they seem to be so commonly shared among humans .

Sanity is questioned in those who refuse to kill , and live by killing , in those who have 'too much empathy' ,
it's not uncommon that in our western cultures people who are too vulnerable, empathetic or intuitive end up in psychiatric wards .

Toughness and measure of violence is considered 'norm' instead .


Even if I walked all my life journey here trying to understand more about humankind and human feelings, intelligence and perception and there're many admirable facets of human experience that can not be overlooked ,

there's still much to be feared from open contact between the two so distant worlds ..


a reason why nothing more ever happens .

I was so optimistic and almost convinced it will because I was not so exposed to the mundane world as we know it here for many years and saw it with pink shades I presume, through the eyes of love ..

it's a busy world and one that's been set to run in its own mode .. it can make laugh and cry, more often . But in fact , wanting to connect to it .. intervene , interact ,
feels more or less foolish longer I look.

[JChombre]

Thank you for opening up more in your last two posts. As you can see above, I have highlighted and/or bolded some of the text that you wrote in your last post. I will not be available until late Friday because of work-related issues... Then I will talk to you because there are a little bit of concern with what I see in your post... And I think that's what I sensed when I first talk to you.



It's two different , overlapping layers of reality I'm trying to recall and compare here but the episode with lost note was not isolated or unusual for that period of time of my childhood though , maybe I just remember it more than the others
because of the causality chain of events and how they followed one another ,
with striking clarity .

The strongest feeling I could retrieve back from that day was something like ''wish I never have to see those people again''.

It was not only from my 'little point of view' that those characters were temporarily beyond fix .
It took 3 more decades at least before I could appreciate fully how nerve wrecked my mum felt after divorce and her partner aka my dad leaving her after 12 years of love filled marriage .

And it took few more years , at least those running through my teenage before I realised there's something serious going on with her and sought some form of psychological counselling , even then , it was me who sought help not my mum.

Ask any victim of physical or psychological abuse how easy it is to report what's happening or trust themselves to another adult 'authority' , in fact , reporting yourself more often lands you in worse situation than the one you started with .
The 'self-reporting victim' tends to be the first suspect , especially when coming from 'orderly family' .
For some reason but don't ask me why , I don't know the answer , in our times parents /adults were automatically trusted first when it came to testifying events .

There were no real options for rectification of that situation practically, either .

But how does it connect to here at all ...

Did I call the 'otherworldly forces' with my strong wish on the run ? There were no immediate effects or 'movie like signs' attesting to it I could recognise ,
no 'help from heaven' , no 'old wise man' saving me on the road , not either of them.

But in the same age .. and totally apart from my outer sufferings , my inner experiences , intangible to all were 'being beautified' .

It was in the hours before going to sleep when I could 'switch off' the human experiencer and personality and not only learned to do that but couldn't wait to do just that , it being the only time I was left to myself undisturbed when I experienced peace and subtle happiness and heard 'music of spheres' and saw movies that could be switched on and off and edited on my command ,
and many other things you might find strange perhaps, or not .

No way I related those to ETs and my only vivid ET visitation comes from years later when I was about 12 ( but you know, 3 years is whole age when you're child ).

I never debated my buoyant inner world with anyone else nor I could . Nobody in the family were 'spiritually oriented' , in fact and except for mums life illness and later transformation as she followed the years of my travels and teachings in her mind,
they were the most earthly and so called 'normal' people you can find and still are .
Most of my classmates were likewise 'too young' in their minds then to catch up on my philosophical deliberations .

Good luck no ETs were ever mentioned and I perfectly understood how they protected me from that information ,
even if the 'giggle factor' is smaller now , the topic was not only a tabu but heavily ridiculed in common society and mostly linked to 'mental cases' .

So also retrospectively , anyone thinking that reporting the whole thing without clue and hope for proof , even after 2005 was a fancy thing to do on my side
or something I'd do - against all my better judgement - without very strong reason

have to be victim of their own social bias .

I can't think of even one case to this day , and after all we've witnessed on the 'alternative media' sites and 'disclosure movement' and so forth , of a person who would not be vilified and ridiculed for reporting ET contact .
There's little if any fairness in it all .


There are plenty of good documentaries made on the topic such as this ...

cYPCKIL7oVw

a friend reminded me of days ago again and it opens with one clear truth , 'UFO/ET contact should be a subject of rigorous scientific investigation rather than rubbishing by tabloid newspapers' .

That's how I feel .

No one , on this site or another have the authority or information to judge 'what's out there' or judge persons testimony as 'personal experience of little impact' .
Likewise , a scientist not willing to listen and see what's being offered and demanding 'peer reviewed paper' from individual who passed through time-space accident is playing fools ,
and following the ages old stigma .

It's the easiest of all things to belittle those who are already weak and alone , be it a child, a woman or an 'alien' .

We all have been through many schools to know well how easy it is to belittle a student or to enforce your view points as a teacher .
These principles are shared , universal ethics you may say , among all forms of human society, be they 'scientific' , 'spiritual' , 'alternative' or any other .

True .. back in the 'west' here , the principle of non-violence and respect to teacher , and respect to Life based on non-violence, truthfulness and generally, absence of guilt are not well known .

People do think nowadays that answers to their 'great questions' can be found on internet or bought for few bucks from one of their net gurus .
It does not seem to require any extra respect . Respect comes down to those sanctioned to beg for life ,
or those who can grant you better freedoms and life .

I've read about people contemplating any 'ET society' without money has to be extremely vile and not sure it made me laugh or cry , finding the whole human concept of endless wars for land , piece of property, owning things or even 'other people' , trees and animals alike quite absurd .

And yet ... it can not be temporarily rectified , abolished , for there would come new humans willing or say 'having to' abuse another humans.

Is it possible to draw a thin line between the two worlds ?

Necessarily , there has to be one .. more so , an abyss of time and space and billions of years of intelligent evolution and yet, are you, am I saying we are trying to connect and yet ,
it's to be easy and down to me alone , no it can't .


:flower:






Dear Agape,

You are a prolific writer, so thank you for all your posts on ET Contacts. I pretty much agree with most of the things that you are saying starting with the fact that ETs do exist. For me there is absolutely no doubt about the existence of other sentient beings in or outside Earth... I am saying that from a logic stand point and from personal experience. Logically speaking it is difficult to believe that we on Earth are alone in the cosmos. From personal experiences, I know that there are ETs out there...

I also agree when you say that 'UFO/ET contact should be a subject of rigorous scientific investigation rather than rubbishing by tabloid newspapers' .. However, the issue that I have is that there are major issues with scientific investigations. These investigations are peer-reviewed investigations, so money, the investigation process and the notoriety of the scientist involved critically affect the validity of scientific investigations... In so many words, my trust in scientific investigations is guarded and very limited, and I don't think that these investigations have the ability to prove that ETs exist.

So you are probably going to ask me how can one prove that ETs exist. My answer to that question is that one person is not responsible for proving that ETs exist to other people. Every person is responsible for proving to him/herself that ETs exist. So if someone can use your information on Bodhgaya to reach the conclusion that ET exist, then that's excellent. If he/she cannot reach that conclusion with your data, then it is his/her job to keep looking. For me, the burden of proving the existence of ETs rest on the seeker.

Anyway, it is late in my area and I am bidding you goodnight.

Many blessings to you.

JC

[Agape]

Dear JC,

thanks , I think that's an excellent answer in fact . I am not much of a writer but trying to get over the debt of explaining very little of what I could perhaps,
one day , more succinctly so that the overall message and our 'ET heritage' and knowledge base shared among our kind and other advanced civilisation could be better understood ,
whether it all is vane effort because we won't see the proofs in our very life time or predictable history , I can't predict .. but from my short human life so far I saw the times changing ,
more events and societal changes coming to effect that were thought of as 'improbable' or 'unpredictable' but few years or decades ago ,
due to the internet itself and freedom of information now available we've seen how human consciousness is capable of giant leaps forwards . So , who knows what happens on the 'longer time tables' where another ET is now,
traversing the Universe and what is one minute for him turns to be days and years for us down here .

To insert little reference here, I suspect it is what some of our ancient human seers described as the time of Gods vs human time , such as those found in Vedic count ( scroll down to the 'Deva Years' [ Devas are Gods in Vedic mythology , the 'Shining Ones', technically , advanced beings living in another time-space, civilisations , out there ] or 'Day of Brahma' [ Brahma is the 'Creator' of Vedic 'holy Trinity' , for what principle the numbers stand in reality is subject of pundit speculations at all times ] :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_time

I'm not suggesting to take those numbers literally or apply them heedlessly following anyones 'gut instincts' as it tends to be the case with some of our new age scholars though .
To me they represent existence of multilayered mathematical systems our ancestors were aware of if not else and tried to record them ,
with respect to 'Life out there' and ..

in my direct experience and what I was hoping to expand on once , as a matter of theoretical physics , we may require such multileveled mathematical - physical system to be able even to hypothesise , not to speak count and contact life in other Star systems
and to be able to correlate our methods of communication with visiting ETs accordingly , hypothetically at least .

Of course I can't be hopeful to prove anything directly unless the Greater Time and circumstances are ripe for such proofs ,
or think of any one being capable of doing that , least I've said that chances of such events are hard to predict , from both sides of the 'dimensional mirror' .

What I hoped to provide on the other hand , from the very intense and loaded memory of our kind and those 4 hours I spent in their presence fully and returned back unharmed was more like 'memory record' and collection of axioms,
biological and physical parameters of the original time-space where we came from

which is after all a real place in faraway Universe .

Considering what I saw and the accident our ancestors suffered originally on this very planet , starting whole long chain of physical -biological causes and consequences for some of them ( not unlike the opening scene in the Prometheus movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB8cop0TLR0) , you don't have to watch it twice ) ,
breaking their original physical-biological parameters and structure down to its 'terrestrial counterpart' , being so 'terraformed' , accidentally , with effective emergence of 'new species' who did not remember themselves otherwise than 'earthlings' from then on,
this I saw , I repeat, I did not deduce it 'somehow' ,

so from my understanding this process even if not 'repeatable' (i doubt anyone up there would so desire to repeat it , even in the name of sacrifice ) has to be reversible to some extent using the knowledge of physics and biology ,
basing on which principles again we would be more accurate in our understanding of functions of biological matter on earth, human organism in particular and the way it behaves in different physical environments

which is ultimately, going to be important for the future of space travel and else , I'd rather see that all such knowledge helps to detangle causes of many human diseases and improve physiological and psychological functioning of human species .

For example , the ESA are already conducting many experiments in microgravity on the ISS and they monitor effects of low gravity environment on astronauts closely and in long term ,
lower gravity and longer time count is one type of parameter of where we came from originally but todays human organism is accustomed to work best within local gravitosphere so to say and we can't surpass millions of years of local adaptation - evolution easily .

In long term though, mimicking low gravity environments supported by optimal pressure , increased oxygen saturation and adjusted light frequency ( for indeed , even the Sun light spectre differed where we came from ) could facilitate one approach to recovering some of our previous biological heritage , health and state free of suffering .

This is of course , simplified statement and there are many such experiments going on simultaneously nowadays , some of which we hear of other not but what's ultimately more pertinent , I think
would be recording those ET parameters I've witnessed first hands and can 'translate' to human language with some help , and with good level of clarity ,
it all apart and away from 'second-hand sources of information' and someones best guesses ,

so that's not like recording few scattered data, it's a whole blog of living information that has its parameters and waits to be 'transcribed' in manner befitting todays scientific language .. which is the very same 'language' we would observe events in and around us .


Apologies for concluding another long and probably hard to read sentence .. :heart:


Describing events and mindset of Beings, civilisation so very advanced in manner of 'personal experience' when in fact , they had a meaningful scientific message for us is steep downfall on my side of course but had to be done so
unless I'm able to approach safely at least one unique individual who are well versed in already prevailing physical and biological theories and can navigate between and beyond them easily
because for the rest of them , if they stumble on something they've not thought through well we will get stuck and they'll blame it on me immediately .

I'm but trying to explain , even hypothetically to you now, the reasons behind my incomplete testimony .
Speaking to non-scientists or people who are merely curious of course , many facets of who we are and where we came from do not make huge sense ,
most people back off even on the idea that 'we may have been visited' .

Outsourcing otherworldly information of course, sounds always controversial , in contemporary western mindset and cultures , so called 'agnosticism' is form of prevailing 'scientific dogma' and people do not grow up encouraged to search for answer within rather than to follow known scholastic and scientific method ,
for that , any other original source of information is termed 'suspicious' .

Of course you know that already and many others here too , the reason I repeat this is merely to ascertain the awareness is shared, known to me from the very start together with its dangers .

But in this case .. direct testimony is the only option as far as truthfulness to facts and situation is concerned ,
unlike some of my better friends suggested I can't really 'falsify my case' or turn me around to human scientist writing about this from entirely different perspective ,
similarly to suggestions to other friends who think of this only in terms of 'personal experience' ,
for I can't maintain true and false perspective towards the 'big picture' at the same time ..


Not to mention all the conspiracy theory :silent:


Have a great day please and many Blessings

:flower:

[kirolak]

Would yo mind sharing something about the PHYSICAL changes that you underwent after this experience? If not, I do understand. . .:bowing:

[Agape]

Would yo mind sharing something about the PHYSICAL changes that you underwent after this experience? If not, I do understand. . .:bowing:

Hello Kirolak , thanks for the question . I was so tired over weekend I did not look here :)
I'd like to illustrate this somehow to you so that the whole thing gives a meaning .

I used to be quite a 'strong girl' considering , I lived in India for many years before and travelled , studying and teaching , I did not see myself as the 'princess type' neither I admitted or could admit myself exactly to such safe and choicy life style ,
I had high aims , spiritually and humanly and pure heart but not many conventional supports as other 'rich students' had , those coming from better off countries so to say .
So I was used to endure the cold Himalayan winters up in Dharamsala the same way all the locals did ,
not the way any western tourist did . I did not have proper winter cloth or shoes with me all the time either , most remained in Prague and did not want to ask for more help than what was essential .
I also refused to mediate any confrontational mindset between the 'western ideology' and 'temple environment' I lived and studied in.

I felt strong enough to do what I did , living very happily with few provisions as long as I could continue and my studies and meditation there . Very happy . It was the best years of my life .

What happened after Bodhgaya 2002 is that I returned to Dharamsala 3 months later, late behind everyone else in fact but my physical strength went down , I felt , slowly , not immediately ,
so did my innate immunity towards the environment . I used to walk in the rain ..

and then , my body was getting terribly unnerved by everything, temperature changes , presence of people and feeling their energy , noises , light ,
food . I was still safe there of course , much safer than upon coming down to the city ..

but from what I remember in 2005 and when I returned to Prague , I had almost constant sense of headache and body pain that seem to switch between each other
and could not sleep deeper than light shallow rest for hours at night .
If one night once upon a time I've got hold of 'deep sleep' for half an hour I felt so refreshed afterwards.

This alone plus fatigue made my mundane life here very difficult . Also , while not having major digestion problems before , I have limited tolerance to food nowadays and to many other 'things' .

Of course , good half of it can be blamed on other reasons including unwillingness to fend for myself in the type of culture i returned to ,
lack of understanding and loving feelings and even being refused where my testimony is concerned and that all reads => giving up on worldly existence frequently as possible :ROFL:

More later ..


:flower: