If you were part of the 1% what would it take for you to give it up?

[thepainterdoug]

hello friends. so your sitting on top controlling everything, you benefit from the coal ,oil, gas, nuclear, military,financial and media control system that has things as they are. Your steeped in billions and have complete contempt for the surfs, the useless eaters who pay the freight and keep you and you lineage in power.

why and what would convince you to give it up?

[Daozen]

Immunity might be attractive to a lot of those guys right now.

It's not just them that are causing the problem. We spend about 4 billion per day on cigarettes, drink and useless plastic items.

[Bill Ryan]

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That's a really, really great question.

I don't think it could ever be a logical rationalization. Logic simply drives one to hang on to what one has. It'd have to be an epiphany — a profound, life-changing and entirely unexpected spiritual experience.

[Andynko]

I suggest that perhaps if I were the most corrupt and complacent of them all, that the only thing that would make me choose to climb off of my high horse, would be if I truly believed a being of greater wisdom and intellect had actually decided to consult me, in an act of disgrace to show me and to help me see how the consequences of my selfish actions had caused so much inequality and suffering amongst all of us who are clearly equal in the great scheme of things.

But this being of course would have to be of such great influence as to be able to make me see through my own ignorance’s.

[thepainterdoug]

Bill/ theres certainly good reason for us to want it to end. but on the other hand?

[Shannon]

Well, if I were part of that 1% I would have no soul and believe I was god so a spiritual experience would have to stab me in the thick skull with divinity or scare me chitless.

I don't like thinking of those people, I mean, things. :/

[DNA]

hello friends. so your sitting on top controlling everything, you benefit from the coal ,oil, gas, nuclear, military,financial and media control system that has things as they are. Your steeped in billions and have complete contempt for the surfs, the useless eaters who pay the freight and keep you and you lineage in power.

why and what would convince you to give it up?


You would have to understand the motivation beyond "the money".


The 1%, of which I think there are far fewer of them than this.
Have a consensus goal in my opinion.


They are in the possession of data you and I have not seen.
The "report from iron mountain", didn't stop being compiled when the report came out in 1963. A continuous stream of data has been compiled, and this data states in no uncertain terms that the world as we know it will become a wasteland of garbage and radioactivity if the population isn't seriously reduced and controlled. The extent the earth will be able to maintain life will be reduced to microbes if something isn't done. As such there is an initiative to alter the situation and the solution is depopulation on a massive scale.


If a individual in control of the solution were to opt out, he would be replaced by somebody who could and would do it.

[Praxis]

I think like Bill said, it would require a transformative experience. I think Ibogaine or Ayuahyausca would do it.

Once you see how people are led, you will have nothing but contempt for the common man. I myself feel this about people sometimes as they buy into the leading. THink of it this way. They are the snake, And the common people are the skin. They are just using us to get to a point and then they will shed us. Does the snake care about its shed skin?

They would have to experience suffering like a person in bangladesh suffers. Or you pick your spot. But without this, they have no incentive to change. It would take a truly marvelous person to have this eureka moment from only internal searching.

Did Ghengis Khan think about the suffering of the people they conquered? No, he saw it as the divine mission of him and his family. I highly recommend you listen to the Wrath of the Khans by Dan Carlin. If you are brought up to think this is your purpose and providence is with you, it would be very hard to change.

Honestly, they have a good goal, and this is where I differ from most of this community, and that is one world government. Now I dont believe in the vision they have, but rather something like star trek. THe reason is as nations we are not prepared to step into the stars and become what we are supposed to. Or problems like asteroids. One rock can end us all because we are focused on nationalistic squabbles. Think about the civilization that came before. One event stopped them in all their majesty and power.

So when they have a decent goal you can understand how they become what they are. One organization working for humanity to solve worldwide problems like garbage, energy, pollution, overfishing, etc is actually needed. There are problems, even if you dont believe in climate change cutting down the rainforest and pollution and carbon based energy are problems, that require not just one nation but all of us to solve working together. To me that is what Earth is, a playground for experience and to graduate from this school requires cooperation and unity. But remember, they are just like you and I. To demonize them and put them on a pedestal is giving them power. That is what people did to kings to deify them. To fall into that trap. Just realize that they are in a different place doing what they think is best for them and their own. You do the same, I do the same. It takes a truly amazing person to have my own include all of humanity.

[thepainterdoug]

DNA/ completely agree they are in possession of data we do not have . i simply don't see the motive for them to let it go as of now. Something unforeseen is needed

[norman]

As most, if not all of them, are really crooks, it's like asking Ronnie Biggs what would have persuaded him to walk into a police station.

The barrel of a gun could be a good mind changer.

Richard Dolan talks about A.D., after disclosure. Those people have to think about A.S. , after surrender. It's a lot more complicated than just a drop down to our level. They are all guilty, and have to consider the penalties they will be subject to once they are no longer above the law.

If it was me, I'd rather die, I think.

[OMG]

Hmmm...let me see...

I guess as long as I could have 98% of everything then I'd be willing to give up the 1%. It would be a stretch but I could probably manage it - reluctantly.

:jester:

[mgray]

I'll take the alternative tact. The 1%ers I have met (just a small sampling) are egomaniacs with low self esteem driven by desire to be dictators.

To knock them from that perch is nearly impossible. Their children much easier. But for the first generation very difficult.

[Wookie]

To be blunt, reincarnation.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[shaberon]

People are almost never convinced of anything from an argument; if so, it was because the seeds were already there in their mind. Gautama Siddartha (Buddha) was a prince who gave it all away to become a beggar, but that was because he was not filled with contempt for others.

As long as one feels this contempt, nothing will be given; the property could be removed by the force of a court, or the force of arms, but we cannot persuade a contemptuous person to be charitable. The closest thing is usually a minor PR front which they sometimes do in hopes of accumulating further wealth.

If it was me personally, since I find treasure in the joy of others, I would want to see them having plenty to eat and a nice warm coat when its cold, I would give what I could. And knowing how dirty coal and oil are, if I had their cleaner and superior replacement, I would want to show it off! But that is just my nature. If I had all that stuff, and hated all those who were not in my league, you would have to pry it from my cold, dead fingers. Powerful psychedelics might release the hatred, or hypnosis...maybe a painful injury or accident, some kind of disease could do it, but I'm pretty sure it would never come from talking or everyday events.

I have no moral issue with becoming the agent of anyone's karma, that may have an unpleasant shock coming as a result of these materialistic tendencies.

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

That's a really excellent question, thepainterdoug, striking at the heart of the matter.

In Carl Jung's 'The Undiscovered Self', that hidden self is the one I project onto others.

Or, as another sage put it:

"How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother’s eye." Gospel of Luke 6:42

Cheers

M

[triquetra]

Seeing the future

[sandy]

The establishment of a colony on another Planet with all the amenities of comfort................IE ..the secret space program :-)

[amor]

I feel, having lived among those people and observed their interrelationships and the consequences of them that men especially have too high a sexual urge and really cannot contain it. First, they are not taught high discipline as some females in other cultures are because they cannot get pregnant. As a result, they view sex as relief and recreation without caring about the harm they are causing to themselves, others and the world at large. Perhaps early education could help somewhat, giving present Hollywood and its extensions, the AXE, providing a sense of conscience to all, or as I have read somewhere, making sex abundant but reproduction restricted. To do that requires a highly organized society where people do not have to slave all their lives to have a roof over their heads, food in their stomachs, and the other perks of being alive within the laws of continuity of nature. For this, we definitely need FREE ENERGY and societal ORGANIZATION to this end and therefore an end to brutality and war. Failing all that, an AXE to the genitals.

[ries]

Power, wealth is ego aggrandizement. It's a junkie habbit to stick on to it.

When incarnated into families within the power structure it's easy to continue on the path of more.

If you decide to change your path, which is planned for you from the people around you in the power structure, it has potential that it will give you great discomfort.

When one really seeing there is only one here all around in this cosmos, then things can change for that person.

Just my 2 cents.

p.s.
Thank you Doug for the great question and all the people for the amazing reply's.

[araucaria]

hello friends. so your sitting on top controlling everything, you benefit from the coal ,oil, gas, nuclear, military,financial and media control system that has things as they are. Your steeped in billions and have complete contempt for the surfs, the useless eaters who pay the freight and keep you and you lineage in power.

why and what would convince you to give it up?

This is a subject I have been thinking about for quite some time (see the links below). I’m not sure the 1% themselves are likely to give anything up. What is needed is to convince their controllers that this is not working for them any more than it is working for us. Maybe we can postulate that there is someone in charge who is actually above the rampant corruption we are seeing and can do something to stop it. I am reminded of De Gaulle, who made sure to pay all his personal expenses and despaired of his money-grabbing ministers. Unfortunately he did not have the clout to deal with this issue, and since his time, no alternative personnel of sufficient moral stature has been available either.

It makes sense to me to think that others can be working to a different agenda with a moral compass at least as good as our own. If such an authority above the controllers exists at all, then we need to catch their attention, first by showing an adequate understanding of the issues, and secondly by presenting a quorum of alternative personnel of sufficient moral stature to take over the running of this planet. So far this has been a one-party planet and once the opposition has become a force to reckon with, it still has to evolve into a party of government.

We still have some way to go to catch attention; indeed, we still need fully to understand that this needs to be done and dialog needs to follow. And then we have quite a long way to go to turn opposition into a governing force. The difficulty lies in inventing grassroots bottom-up governance, when top-down authoritarianism has always been so much easier. In terms of personnel, the two systems are not entirely at odds either: much of the competence we are looking for is likely to be found among people on ‘the other side’. Those who are attracted to personal benefit can learn to achieve that in the context of a more morally advanced setup. Why make do with a win-lose situation when a win-win one is ultimately much more effective?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89523-So-Why-hasn-t-Planet-Earth-been-invaded&p=1056949&viewfull=1#post1056949
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82417-The-Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion-and-a-call-for-a-more-benevolent-leadership&p=963631&viewfull=1#post963631

[Redstar Kachina]

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[ulli]

Some really good answers to a great question here.
Personally, I'm reminded of Ayn Rand's book Atlas Shrugged, as that novel is about a man who did just that, to make the 1% drop everything and go with him into hiding while waiting for the defective and corrupt system to collapse.
But of course Ayn Rand's glorification of those people gives us a distorted picture, and the current reality is far more complex.

To me there is only one path: to keep up with what we here at Avalon are already doing.

Empower ourselves and others, to help spread information on how beneficial it was for any of us to stop relying purely on technology, and develop our own humanity and spirituality.

Before we can convince any of them to change their ways we would have to penetrate their inner circle, and the danger there is that they might suck us into their ways, and even convince us that there is nothing wrong with the world that they are creating.
I'd rather not take that risk and focus on creating a better future, within the restrictions they have imposed.
If enough do this we will eventually see change happen.

[Soda]

Shame! Being outed as the lying pedophiles that they are. And also realizing that I messed up all their numbers up in their little Mormon genealogy system in 1990. So, checkmate game over.
Everyone hurry and google two names to start with and read all about their backgrounds.
Pedram Afshar - VP at Best Buy
Thomas S. Monson - President/Living Prophet of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
The Kinder Gentler KKK.

[Soda]

Kkk
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[Becky]

Being able to see and feel and experience life through the heart chakra of unconditional love and balance. They close off their heart chakras specifically to avoid having to experience this, and they work through their other chakras, power, thought etc.
They are unbalanced, so a re-balancing of their energies would help, but this would need to be their choice and their work...

[Soda]

The Eagle has landed
33225

[Soda]

Pigeons please!
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[Cassmiranda]

Maybe the opportunity of a greater, or different form of power.

[Soda]

never mind

[raregem]

Well, if I were part of that 1% I would have no soul and believe I was god so a spiritual experience would have to stab me in the thick skull with divinity or scare me chitless.

I don't like thinking of those people, I mean, things. :/

That was funny ST.......

[raregem]

Everyone just wants to talk. No one wants to listen. God forbid you guys take a minute to read through an entire paragraph. Not even this group. Then it's on you guys for not having enough patience. Bill, please get me out of this **** show. Ban me. Whatever. You guys are on your own. The plan is working. You guys just keep on loving all over each other. We'll take of business on the other side.

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE? Why are you belligerent to PA? Are you just goofing off? What have you shared that doesn't require second guessing your message and doing research elsewhere for your "leads" ?

Weezer: I have been reading more about you and I see I was reactive to you....my apologies....I think we all pretty much want to understand what the true nature of what our life really is. We are doing our level best in such confusion.

[sommervr]

Conflict won't stop them. They are prepared for conflict and they understand it better than we do. It would have to be some sort of spiritual jujitsu that turns their strength against them. Perhaps a disruptive technology or technique that allows hyper-connectiveness. Empathy is our greatest strength

[zen deik]

A conversion experience would be necessary, and perhaps conversion experience would explain a lot of unexplained suicides.... "He had everything I don't know why he would do it"...

[Soda]

summer vr :beer: "some sort of spiritual jujitsu" is a perfect way of putting it. And that is what is happening here. I tried to send a message and got called a "she" as if that is a sin. I am just a messenger - literally. And being shot at for it. I didn't ask anyone to read my mind - I just thought people in this forum wouldn't mind doing a little bit of digging on their own and would appreciate a riddle. I am not the type to bark orders or tell you the answer before allowing to find it for yourself. Never mind. Nothing to see here. Keep on keyboarding.

[joeecho]

Why give up anything? Print up an infinite amount of money and distribute it until everyone is the 1%.

Not practical?

Shoot! Well, I tried. ;)

[ceetee9]

A heart/soul. Oops! I think we're screwed.

[robinr1]

why do you need someone to govern you?




I think like Bill said, it would require a transformative experience. I think Ibogaine or Ayuahyausca would do it.

Once you see how people are led, you will have nothing but contempt for the common man. I myself feel this about people sometimes as they buy into the leading. THink of it this way. They are the snake, And the common people are the skin. They are just using us to get to a point and then they will shed us. Does the snake care about its shed skin?

They would have to experience suffering like a person in bangladesh suffers. Or you pick your spot. But without this, they have no incentive to change. It would take a truly marvelous person to have this eureka moment from only internal searching.

Did Ghengis Khan think about the suffering of the people they conquered? No, he saw it as the divine mission of him and his family. I highly recommend you listen to the Wrath of the Khans by Dan Carlin. If you are brought up to think this is your purpose and providence is with you, it would be very hard to change.

Honestly, they have a good goal, and this is where I differ from most of this community, and that is one world government. Now I dont believe in the vision they have, but rather something like star trek. THe reason is as nations we are not prepared to step into the stars and become what we are supposed to. Or problems like asteroids. One rock can end us all because we are focused on nationalistic squabbles. Think about the civilization that came before. One event stopped them in all their majesty and power.

So when they have a decent goal you can understand how they become what they are. One organization working for humanity to solve worldwide problems like garbage, energy, pollution, overfishing, etc is actually needed. There are problems, even if you dont believe in climate change cutting down the rainforest and pollution and carbon based energy are problems, that require not just one nation but all of us to solve working together. To me that is what Earth is, a playground for experience and to graduate from this school requires cooperation and unity. But remember, they are just like you and I. To demonize them and put them on a pedestal is giving them power. That is what people did to kings to deify them. To fall into that trap. Just realize that they are in a different place doing what they think is best for them and their own. You do the same, I do the same. It takes a truly amazing person to have my own include all of humanity.

[Onyx]

If I was part of the 1% you would have to take My life for Me to give up. I wouldn't have become and stayed a 1% by giving in to demands of the 99%. You would have to take or be able to take My life without Me being able to stop it.

[Carmody]

I already gave an answer.

the thread is called 'brain scans and prisoners'. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66489-Brainscans-and-prisoners-Outing-the-sociopaths-and-the-domino-effect&highlight=brainscans)

I outlined a logical progressive modern way of getting to putting the 1% and their enabling sociopaths in prisons and, more to the point out of the gene pool.

A way of promoting the methods, and destination... in positive ways that go along with the desires of society, at and in each and every step, and turn....in ways that controllers cannot stop.

If they refuse to attend to the situation, then it will be torn from their potential.

[Curious77]

Probably nothing -- because I would be in that position through a completely different mindset than I have
in this life.

In thinking about a future life -- can you go backwards or forward?
Be on another planet?
I'd rather be a female -- very definitely.
And very definitely not someone doing harm to anyone else nor dominating anyone else.

I'd like to have intelligence and wisdom and be able to use it to help others.

[Soda]

Curious77 that's a wonderful answer.

[thepainterdoug]

Curious/ my answer was , NOTHING. and so from this premise how do we all move forward in relation to our frustration over the 1 %
I for one ignore it all, and live my life striving to have what your last sentence stated.