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justntime2learn
6th April 2016, 02:28
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"Did J.P. Morgan Build the Titanic to Kill Off the Competition and Form the Federal Reserve? The Coincidences Are Amazing. (self.conspiracy)
submitted 2 years ago * by serfnomics
In 1898 a man named Morgan Robertson penned a book titled "Wreck of the Titan" about a luxury liner deemed unsinkable that was going too fast in the North Atlantic in April and hit and iceberg killing most everyone on board due to lack of lifeboats.
14 years later this fictional book would play out in real life exactly down to the name, with the wreck of the Titanic; but this time it would have major political implications. Some of the wealthiest men in the world were on that ship and some were opposed to the Federal Reserve and central banks.
FACT: JP Morgan funded/built the Titanic
FACT: JP Morgan was booked on the voyage but canceled at the last second.
FACT: Friend of JP Morgan, Milton Hersey, also canceled at the last moment and survived to build the Hersey food empire.
FACT: There were no red flares on board to signal to any boats for rescue. Only white flares that signal a party and that everything is okay.
FACT: It was the first ship of its kind with the ability to seal decks electromagnetically which could also seal people below deck.
FACT: The Captain Edward Smith was one of the most decorated Captains of his time and would have been totally out of character by avoiding precautions.
FACT: The author of the book was poisoned to death a couple years after the Titanic sank.
FACT: The Federal Reserve was formed the very next year.
FACT: The Astor Family was one of the richest families in the world and John Astor III opposed the Federal Reserve.
John Jacob Astor IV, the richest man in the world at the time, a friend of Nikola Tesla, and an outspoken opponent of the creation of the Federal Reserve. Astor gained his wealth, in part, as a real estate builder, investor, and inventor. Other prominent Federal Reserve detractors, such as Benjamin Guggenheim and Isa Strauss, also died on board.
Did JP Morgan get the idea of how to kill off the opposition to the Federal Reserve from a book written 14 years prior? This was a book titled "The Titan" published 14 years before the Titanic sank and look at the similarities.
Did they hatch a plan at Jekyll Island to build a ship to eliminate the competition?
Similarities to the Titanic
Although the novel was written before the Olympic-class Titanic had even been designed, there are some remarkable similarities between the fictional and real-life counterparts. Like the Titanic, the fictional ship sank in April in the North Atlantic, and there were not enough lifeboats for the passengers. There are also similarities between the size (800 ft long for Titan versus 882 ft 9 in long for the Titanic), speed (25 knots for Titan, 21 knots for Titanic) and life-saving equipment.
Beyond the name, the similarities between the Titanic and the fictional Titan include:
Described as "unsinkable"
The Titanic was the world's largest luxury liner (882 feet, displacing 63,000 long tons), and was once described as being practically "unsinkable". The Titan was the largest craft afloat and the greatest of the works of men (800 feet, displacing 75,000 tons), and was considered "unsinkable".
Shortage of lifeboats
The Titanic carried only 16 lifeboats, plus 4 Engelhardt folding lifeboats,less than half the number required for her passenger capacity of 3000. The Titan carried "as few as the law allowed", 24 lifeboats, less than half needed for her 3000 capacity.
Struck an iceberg
Moving too fast at 22˝ knots,the Titanic struck an iceberg on the starboard side on the night of April 14, 1912 in the North Atlantic 400 miles away from Newfoundland. Also on an April night, in the North Atlantic 400 miles from Newfoundland (Terranova), the Titan hit an iceberg while traveling at 25 knots, also on the starboard side.
Sinking
The unsinkable Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers died. The indestructible Titan also sank, more than half of her 2500 passengers drowning. Went down bow first, the Titan actually capsizing before it sank."
Link:https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1xni4f/did_jp_morgan_build_the_titanic_to_kill_off_the/
http://www.truthistreason.net/did-jp-morgan-sink-the-titantic

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shaberon
6th April 2016, 05:16
I've found this to be highly likely.

It's been said that Capt. Smith was a Jesuit Co-adjutor (non-priest) and that his Superior, who I think was called Francis Brown, hopped on board, gave him the order, and then disembarked at the ship's last call in Ireland. This was "verified" by a relatively poor photograph, not sure if it gets any more solid than that. But when you look at all those circumstances and that he could have easily avoided the ice field but instead apparently rammed it full throttle, it's pretty easy to form this conclusion.

It's also been said that despite all of the advanced construction, the final hull plating was installed with "sub-standard" rivets.

Mark (Star Mariner)
6th April 2016, 13:00
There's a recent thread about the RMS Titanic and all things conspiratorial associated with it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88679-The-Wreck-of-the-TITAN-) - some good data in there about this very matter, and well worth a read if you're interested.

But just to address some of the stated facts listed in the original post, a few corrections can be made.



FACT: There were no red flares on board to signal to any boats for rescue. Only white flares that signal a party and that everything is okay.

Red Flares were a safety measure (to indicate distress or danger) enforced only after the sinking. The Titanic's standard white flares were not indicative of anything, and the nearby Californian, for example, interpreted them (justifiably) as 'company signals' or 'identification signals'.



FACT: The Captain Edward Smith was one of the most decorated Captains of his time and would have been totally out of character by avoiding precautions.

Oh nooo, old Capt. Smith was anything but a cautious or careful captain at all! His career was littered with incidents and accidents (some very expensive). Just check out the collision with the HMS Hawke, or when he rammed a pier in New York, almost completely wrecking it.



FACT: The author of the book was poisoned to death a couple years after the Titanic sank.

It says on wikipedia that the author (presumably the aforementioned Morgan Robertson), died of Heart Disease in 1915. No mention of anything suspicious.

There's still plenty to be said for a conspiracy theory though. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that the Titanic was deliberately sunk - or at least put in danger. But I don't believe Morgan or anyone else had any intention to kill that many people, or to suffer the complete loss of the ship. It may have been a plot that went horribly wrong.

justntime2learn
6th April 2016, 13:21
There's a recent thread about the RMS Titanic and all things conspiratorial associated with it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88679-The-Wreck-of-the-TITAN-) - some good data in there about this very matter, and well worth a read if you're interested.

But just to address some of the stated facts listed in the original post, a few corrections can be made.



FACT: There were no red flares on board to signal to any boats for rescue. Only white flares that signal a party and that everything is okay.

Red Flares were a safety measure (to indicate distress or danger) enforced only after the sinking. The Titanic's standard white flares were not indicative of anything, and the nearby Californian, for example, interpreted them (justifiably) as 'company signals' or 'identification signals'.



FACT: The Captain Edward Smith was one of the most decorated Captains of his time and would have been totally out of character by avoiding precautions.

Oh nooo, old Capt. Smith was anything but a cautious or careful captain at all! His career was littered with incidents and accidents (some very expensive). Just check out the collision with the HMS Hawke, or when he rammed a pier in New York, almost completely wrecking it.



FACT: The author of the book was poisoned to death a couple years after the Titanic sank.

It says on wikipedia that the author (presumably the aforementioned Morgan Robertson), died of Heart Disease in 1915. No mention of anything suspicious.

There's still plenty to be said for a conspiracy theory though. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that the Titanic was deliberately sunk - or at least put in danger. But I don't believe Morgan or anyone else had any intention to kill that many people, or to suffer the complete loss of the ship. It may have been a plot that went horribly wrong.

Thank you Star Mariner and I will check out the sight :) I was a bit concerned posting all "The Facts" as they are "all" rarely true.

And why did I have to take history in school ? 20 Years of schooling and the next 32 years trying to unlearn the lies and find the truth. I would have been better off staying home and listening to George Carlin albums :clapping:

BMJ
6th April 2016, 14:30
[QUOTE=Star Mariner;1058657]And why did I have to take history in school ? 20 Years of schooling and the next 32 years trying to unlearn the lies and find the truth. I would have been better off staying home and listening to George Carlin albums :clapping:

WELCOME TO THE CLUB.

Hym
6th April 2016, 15:47
Not likely. The Olympic, it's sister ship, was sunk. The documentary film is well researched and worth the watch.

shaberon
6th April 2016, 21:35
That's saying that the ship's identities were switched.

The main issue is if it was any way intentional, and on that, I'd stop short of saying Morgan himself could order anyone on a suicide mission. But a Jesuit General could do it for breakfast.

Cardillac
7th April 2016, 01:46
in response to all have posted about this: yes, read the Robin Gardener books on this topic where he states the Titanic was actually the Olympic ; and, yes, there have been constant attempts to discredit Gardener;

another aspect to consider: Mike Sparks, author of the book "James Bond is Real" (please do read it- it's very revealing) and whose sincerety I do not doubt claims to personally know Robert Ballard (discoverer of the so-called 'Titanic' wreck in the 1980's) and has stated that Ballard stated where the name 'Titanic' on this disintegrating wreck should appear he saw the letters 'MP'-

besides that, and as Gardener has pointed out, the front wall of the Olympic's wheel house was slightly convex and the Titanic's completely straight;

according to the photos released by National Geographic in 2012 to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the sinking one can definitely see the wheel house's front wall is convex meaning 'Olympic' and not 'Titanic';

case closed?- the controversy will continue- and whenever controversy occurs someone, somewhere is trying to obfusacte the truth-

be well all-

Larry

justntime2learn
7th April 2016, 02:23
That's saying that the ship's identities were switched.

The main issue is if it was any way intentional, and on that, I'd stop short of saying Morgan himself could order anyone on a suicide mission. But a Jesuit General could do it for breakfast.

Perhaps there was an escape plan for saboteurs with lots of money to persuade?

BMJ
7th April 2016, 02:24
RMS Titanic was in fact the RMS Olympic - Insurance fraud by JP Morgan, link:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46847-RMS-Titanic-was-in-fact-the-RMS-Olympic-Insurance-fraud-by-JP-Morgan&highlight=titanic

KiwiElf
7th April 2016, 11:43
Also here (with almost the same title ;))

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52849-Was-the-Titanic-deliberately-sunk-by-JP-Morgan--video-

Interesting that the key video/evidence continues to be taken down off YT... was it getting too close to the truth?

shaberon
7th April 2016, 21:45
That's saying that the ship's identities were switched.

The main issue is if it was any way intentional, and on that, I'd stop short of saying Morgan himself could order anyone on a suicide mission. But a Jesuit General could do it for breakfast.

Perhaps there was an escape plan for saboteurs with lots of money to persuade?

Sure. Several key figures cancelled their voyage.

It may well have been the Olympic that went down and so it was an insurance scam, in much that the same way that the world trade center was demo'd for insurance money. Those things are quite plausibly elements but don't fully explain the "trigger pull".

The opening of the Federal Reserve was one of the biggest turning points of all time, and so the removal of the most powerful opponents by a group that has been running assassinations for centuries tells me more about how you'd get the captain to do it voluntarily.

Cidersomerset
3rd January 2017, 19:44
I know there are several Titanic threads and I have posted on some of them , this
is the first one to come up and seems relatively recent, I just saw a preview for
a new doc coming out....

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Published on 3 Jan 2017

New British documentary reveals an alleged massive, unreported coal fire on-board
the Titanic could have played a role in the ship’s doomed maiden voyage

Mark (Star Mariner)
4th January 2017, 13:32
Cheers cider, I'll have a watch if I get the time, but the coal-fire on board was not unreported, it is a well documented fact. If this is to do with the aforementioned coal-fire causing a fatal rupture in the hull (which led to the sinking) when coming into contact with cold sea water (after the iceberg collision), that is a theory that has also done the rounds before.

Fact is, there was a coal bunker fire in the engine room, but it was extinguished before the night of the iceberg collision. What's more, it would not in any way have resulted in any kind of explosion.

The whole Titanic thing is one conspiracy theory that seemingly will not die. As 'plausible' as a switch might sound (owing to the character of one covetous, scheming JP Morgan), pretty much not a single bullet-point to the theory stands up at all. There are in depth analyses on other threads to illustrate this, and the more you look and the deeper you search, the more and more impossible it seems that A) the Titanic was switched with Olympic, or B) the Titanic (if really the Titanic) was deliberately sunk.

shaberon
5th January 2017, 07:13
Yes, the things I put towards aspect B) are very circumstantial. It's a widely-circulated thing that John Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isador Strauss were "opposed" to the Federal Reserve, without anything much to back that up. Astor was maybe, kinda, buddies with Tesla more than Morgan was, again nothing conclusive. The Astors of course were an old wealthy bloodline, and one hint that maybe they weren't exactly great friends with Morgan is simply from the NY Times, referring to a new house Astor had built which included an entire wing for his mother:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/arts/14expl.html

"His mother, meanwhile, was seeking to preserve the city’s old-money elite — known variously as the Knickerbockers (from the family created by Washington Irving), Fifth Avenoodles and “the 400” (as in people she would invite to her Patriarch’s balls) — against infiltration by the nouveaux riches and outsiders. To her those undesirables included J. P. Morgan, the Vanderbilts and Rockefellers, and wealthy Catholics and Jews."

Plausibly, there was at least some kind of a wedge between Morgan and Astor.

Mecklenburger
23rd January 2017, 13:14
I do not see it mentioned above, but the immediate cause of the disaster was the fact that the lookouts were unable to give timely warning of the iceberg durectly ahead. The evidence given by the two men in the foremast who were on watch at the material time was that "if we had had binoculars we would have been able to give sufficient warning to avoid the obstruction" or words to that effect. The binoculars for the lookouts had disappeared mysteriously from the crows' nest locker, (since they had been available for the inaugural run from the shipyard to France,) and despite their complaint to the officer of the watch, no attempt was made to buy a replacement pair on the final stop in Ireland before the transatlantic voyage began.

The captain had binoculars, the officers of the watch had binoculars but the lookouts had no binoculars. That alone is suspicion enough that all was not at as it should have been on that ship.