Sentences for animal cruelty: please sign petition

[Sunny-side-up]

Sorry to have to post such a negative content post but!

Below is my comment o as posted to the petition:

This extreme deterioration of human behavior should not be encouraged.
By giving these so called Humans such a light sentence is just saying to them and others like them, that it is OK for them to do such appealing acts of cruelty.
It is NOT ok, give a full and proper sentence and help stop this from happening again.
If you agree with the sentence then in my eyes you are just as guilty as them!
This sort of thing needs to be stoped.
Stop'd by showing others that to commit such crimes comes with punishment, not just a smack on the back of the hand etc!

PETITION LINK HERE:
ttps://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-reconsider-andrew-and-daniel-frankish-s-prison-sentences-for-animal-cruelty-charges?recruiter=48815562&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink (https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-reconsider-andrew-and-daniel-frankish-s-prison-sentences-for-animal-cruelty-charges?recruiter=48815562&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink)


With the recent media coverage regarding Andrew and Daniel Frankish and their horrendous maltreatment of their family pet bulldog "Baby", their sentencing of 21 weeks suspended for two years, and a tagged curfew for six months has riled a lot of people as inadequate punishment for such disgusting and cruel actions. The poor animal was repeatedly thrown down flights of stairs, "pile driven" into the ground from head height, swung around, and stamped all over. "Baby" was put to sleep three months later after losing the use of her hind legs. This was all captured on camera, and it is clear it was for their sick enjoyment. We believe this sentence should be reconsidered and the punishment should be greater for such horrendous treatment of a defenceless animal. You can find the full story and video footage at the below link. https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/655391/thugs-throw-dog-down-stairs-harrowing-footage-graphic-video The GoFundMe page is now CLOSED! Thank you to all donors for your generosity, all funds will be sent to the RSPCA Middlesbrough and South Tees branch once all payments have cleared - updates will be posted through this petition page regarding that as it happens, and via Twitter (@scarfey1991)! http://www.gofundme.com/babythebulldog

I won't add any images here, but if you follow the link be worned.

This sort of behaivier needs to be stop'd

[kirolak]

The link doesn't work, but I think I signed this one already via Farce Book . . . hard to believe that anyone can still be considered human after doing something like this. I sign about 20 petitions each day, & am often really down about the behaviour of some so-called people; it makes me want to leave this planet, & soon. . . . . how on earth does one handle this sort of thing? So many have told me not to get involved as it "is negative"; but if we don't get involved, who will?

Of course, it IS negative, but if one of us were in a torture chamber & no-one else would get involved out of fear of disturbing their own mental quietude, how would the victim feel? And how could the situation be changed? Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention.

Where were the neighbours duing this horror? I can't watch/read the whole report; how was it possible for this to go on so long? We NEED to be nosy neighbours; REPORT animal & child abuse, & domestic violence of all kinds.

Just found another link:

https://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-reconsider-andrew-and-daniel-frankish-s-prison-sentences-for-animal-cruelty-charges/share?after_sign_exp=default&just_signed=true

[justntime2learn]

Sorry to have to post such a negative content post but!

Below is my comment o as posted to the petition:

This extreme deterioration of human behavior should not be encouraged.
By giving these so called Humans such a light sentence is just saying to them and others like them, that it is OK for them to do such appealing acts of cruelty.
It is NOT ok, give a full and proper sentence and help stop this from happening again.
If you agree with the sentence then in my eyes you are just as guilty as them!
This sort of thing needs to be stoped.
Stop'd by showing others that to commit such crimes comes with punishment, not just a smack on the back of the hand etc!

PETITION LINK HERE:
ttps://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-mp-reconsider-andrew-and-daniel-frankish-s-prison-sentences-for-animal-cruelty-charges?recruiter=48815562&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink


With the recent media coverage regarding Andrew and Daniel Frankish and their horrendous maltreatment of their family pet bulldog "Baby", their sentencing of 21 weeks suspended for two years, and a tagged curfew for six months has riled a lot of people as inadequate punishment for such disgusting and cruel actions. The poor animal was repeatedly thrown down flights of stairs, "pile driven" into the ground from head height, swung around, and stamped all over. "Baby" was put to sleep three months later after losing the use of her hind legs. This was all captured on camera, and it is clear it was for their sick enjoyment. We believe this sentence should be reconsidered and the punishment should be greater for such horrendous treatment of a defenceless animal. You can find the full story and video footage at the below link. https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/655391/thugs-throw-dog-down-stairs-harrowing-footage-graphic-video The GoFundMe page is now CLOSED! Thank you to all donors for your generosity, all funds will be sent to the RSPCA Middlesbrough and South Tees branch once all payments have cleared - updates will be posted through this petition page regarding that as it happens, and via Twitter (@scarfey1991)! http://www.gofundme.com/babythebulldog

I won't add any images here, but if you follow the link be worned.

This sort of behavior needs to be stop'd

Hi Sunny-Side-Up and thank you for the warning about the graphics as I am all to aware of what humans are capable of. Please ad an "H" to the beginning of the petition link for it to work properly :) I'm signing now and will send that link to everyone I know ...

[TargeT]

Why do we support the monopoly of force by encouraging them to enforce the stuff we want, then complaining about them enforcing the stuff we don't want.


How much motivation do you think LEO will have when enforcing animal cruelty?

I think things like this should be handled by the community, expecting the monopoly of force to support you on this is in turn you supporting them; I don't think that will help the situation as in my mind the best bet we have now is to take personal responsibility and solve situations on our own with out a mommy-and-daddy figure.

[justntime2learn]

Why do we support the monopoly of force by encouraging them to enforce the stuff we want, then complaining about them enforcing the stuff we don't want.


How much motivation do you think LEO will have when enforcing animal cruelty?

I think things like this should be handled by the community, expecting the monopoly of force to support you on this is in turn you supporting them; I don't think that will help the situation as in my mind the best bet we have now is to take personal responsibility and solve situations on our own with out a mommy-and-daddy figure.

Awesome point TargeT and now my head is all confused again :decision:

Now the word vigilante is ringing in my ears ;)

[Cidersomerset]

Well this is synchronicity I posted this on Callistas thread earlier from Davids
headline page....He still had his BBC News accent, as he comments on when he
posted it.

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This is a mainstream appearance just before his ' massive' awakening experiances .
He was already on the path he has eventually gone down.....

David Icke talking about animal rights 27 years ago just before 'it' happened (My god I sound posh)

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Published on 4 Apr 2016
David Icke , Over 25 Years Ago On UK TV, Talks About How We Treat Animals

[justntime2learn]

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”― Mahatma Gandhi

[TargeT]

Why do we support the monopoly of force by encouraging them to enforce the stuff we want, then complaining about them enforcing the stuff we don't want.


How much motivation do you think LEO will have when enforcing animal cruelty?

I think things like this should be handled by the community, expecting the monopoly of force to support you on this is in turn you supporting them; I don't think that will help the situation as in my mind the best bet we have now is to take personal responsibility and solve situations on our own with out a mommy-and-daddy figure.

Awesome point TargeT and now my head is all confused again :decision:

Now the word vigilante is ringing in my ears ;)

Woah now, lets make sure we define vigilante because there is no need for violence at all.


for CENTURIES elders used "shame" and societal "group think" to curb behaviors they disliked at the time; similar tactics can be used by anyone and are rather easy actually.

I'm using myself as an example as that is what I have done in the virgin islands (or am in the process of doing).

When we moved here we noticed the abandoned or "stray" animal issue on the island immediately as people who have long been involved in animal husbandry, like everyone else on the island we complained about it and did little other than supporting charities and the "shelter" (local animal control.. "the pound") that were struggling to function under the bureaucratic weight of an elected management "board" and all the strange personalities that are attracted to un-paid board membership.

Nothing was working, the system in place was inadequate and had little to no community support and the very people who should have been the champions were the more egregious abusers.

So we started an animal (horse focused, as that had ZERO support) rescue, we started an annual fund raising beach party for ALL animal charities, we manage or assist in nearly every animal fund raiser in our community as well as do a lot of the graphic design and social media advertising; we started a horse show to shift the focus of local horse owners and leverage their pride to encourage better horsemanship. Our non-profit has saved & re-homed over 400 cats/dogs and 52 horses in the 28 months we have been operating, we work weekly with autistic children and in the summer with summer camps educating on proper horse/animal care, showing what can be achieved when it's done and instilling pride and personal "buy in" for the local owners (average age we work with is 14-26)...we do a lot more, you can stalk us on facebook if you're interested :bigsmile:

But we didn't start an organization with it's hand out, we found a way to put the animals to work; to show they have value (on top of the above) which funds the rescue almost completely & provides employment for currently 2 people (beyond myself and my wife), though we hope to expand.


You have an amazing tool (your intellect) & the force of will behind it to make what you desire happen; don't be afraid to act.

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[Sunny-side-up]

Hi hear what your saying TagdeT but i just wanted signatures.

This wasn't a post about, if it is right to have those above us who sentence us, but to make them do it properly and justly, from a moral standpoint of Humanity.

[TargeT]

Hi hear what your saying TargeT but i just wanted signatures.

This wasn't a post about, if it is right to have those above us who sentence us, but to make them do it properly and justly, from a moral standpoint of Humanity.

I'm not sure if you can ask someone who holds the monopoly of force to "make" someone else do something and still consider any of it "moral".

I know what this thread is about probably more than most people as I live it; but I don't think asking another abuser to stop an abuser is doing anything but making you feel better.. you're just shifting the abuse from one party to another(though I guess I can see how that would be desired from a vindictive mind set) I don't think moving the problem around is the answer, that's what I was getting at in a 'round about' way.... I think the answer is closer to what I talked about in my other post... community driven , not government driven & I am already seeing a change in my local community (btw, we already have animal abuse laws, very well written ones... they did/do nothing).

[onawah]

What works in one place might not work elsewhere, and vice versa.
I think the important thing initially is to make people aware of the extent and severity of the problem, prod their conscience, and eventually the right solutions will follow.
But at the heart of the problem is the much bigger problems of psychopathy and demonic possession, and to solve animal abuse and all other abuses, we have to learn to recognize and deal with that effectively.
Punishing abusive behavior after the fact is necessary and needs to be done on every level of society possible, but that behavior stems from a global problem that is going to take a revolution in consciousness to solve.
Goddess bless the poor animals who patiently await that awakening!
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6b/68/d9/6b68d98f58d10a6e823b25ddd52ab8c4.jpg

[TargeT]

Punishing abusive behavior after the fact is necessary and needs to be done on every level of society possible,

what is the intent of punishment, it's to prevent the act right?
(fear vs love... which would you prefer)

what if we prevented the act by simply changing the way people viewed the act or the object the act was performed on.... Then nearly no punishment is needed, almost no policing is needed as the community self-enforces via ingrained zeitgeist the desired traits.... Just use our understanding of psychology to attain our goals instead of force.... in many societies women are afforded extra protections due to this type of system... not via any specific laws that are passed.

I'm always a proponent of knowledge over force (especially when it concerns animals); most animal abuse (aside from the truly sadistic) is done via ignorance... Force is the "easy" way out & should be avoided at all times when training animals and only used when absolutely necessary.

[onawah]

Agreed.which is why I also wrote: "but that behavior stems from a global problem that is going to take a revolution in consciousness to solve." Punishment isn't very effective, but until we have enough knowledge and skill to prevent the abusive behavior, I think we still have to take some action, such as taking away the abused animals, imposing fines, jailtime, etc. where appropriate, or further abuse would surely ensue and increase. It's only a stopgap measure, and the sooner we have more effective ways, the better. I was watching a 60 Minutes show the other night comparing the US prison system to the one in Germany, where rehab is the focus, and it's a good example of what we are both saying:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-germany-prisons-crime-and-punishment/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-overtime-yoga-in-prison-germany-5-star-slammer/
But in cases of psychopaths and demonic possession, I'm not sure if we have the answers yet, and in such cases, the perpetrators must at least be stopped.



Punishing abusive behavior after the fact is necessary and needs to be done on every level of society possible,

what is the intent of punishment, it's to prevent the act right?
(fear vs love... which would you prefer)

what if we prevented the act by simply changing the way people viewed the act or the object the act was performed on.... Then nearly no punishment is needed, almost no policing is needed as the community self-enforces via ingrained zeitgeist the desired traits.... Just use our understanding of psychology to attain our goals instead of force.... in many societies women are afforded extra protections due to this type of system... not via any specific laws that are passed.

I'm always a proponent of knowledge over force (especially when it concerns animals); most animal abuse (aside from the truly sadistic) is done via ignorance... Force is the "easy" way out & should be avoided at all times when training animals and only used when absolutely necessary.

[kirolak]

You are right, of course. . . but sometimes we need to enforce consequences? Perhaps psychopaths don't understand any other route?

[lunaflare]

Where were the parents/adults in this picture? It was a family pet, right? Where is the accountability/outrage from family/friends/community? (It may be in the above links etc, but I don't wish to read or see any footage).

[DNA]

Any time someone asks if the centralized federal government should get another law they can bend to their choosing I will always say "NO"!

We do not need any more laws. We need fewer laws. And in the grand scheme of things, this is small potatoes compared to animals going extinct due to their habitat disappearing.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[pyrangello]

Signed and shared on facebook. Thank You for bringing this to our attention.