Tom DeLonge, TTSA and 'Sekret Machines': Is Disclosure Going Mainstream?

[Adam Greenland]

A few weeks ago I hear this rock star Tom Delonge from 90s band blink-182 on Coast to Coast.

I was ready to roll my eyes, but this guy spent 4 hours tying together every popular UFO conspiracy theory into a coherent narrative and adding his own story into the mix.

He says he has 10 advisers in government and DOD roles and he will release fiction, non-fiction books and documentary under the name Sekret Machines.

Fair enough, he has an interest, obviously has a book to sell, and it sounds like a decent read.

Then I read more into the guy, and he has decade old interviews about what seems like early involvement with the Disclosure Project (keeping the testimony tapes in his home), talking about having his phone tapped, and last year an interview where he mentioned a strange trip into the Nevada desert.

His band Angels and Airwaves are also steeped in masonic symbolism and spacey lyrics.

Now he says he recently "pitched" his way into high circles, and his Sekret Machines book is the starting point of a coming disclosure for a younger audience. From looking into the documentary, it seems like John Podesta is interviewed.

From the Coast interview, he seemed to imply that the humans in government were the good guys, and disclosure has been held back by beings called the "others". And that he's been told a lifeform was found in the Cold War.

He also gathered that UFO crashes were deliberately staged in different countries throughout history, to help advance technology, in what appeared to be a chess game between these beings to see which race, country were the strongest. Religions are also deliberately set against each other as part of this game.

Apparently he's appearing on ATS this Monday.

Could a rock star really be the vehicle for some disclosure effort?

[Bill Ryan]

.
More about Tom DeLonge, written up for Coast To Coast AM here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/03/27):




Co-founder of the rock bands Blink 182 and Angels and Airwaves, Tom DeLonge (http://tothestars.media/), joined George Knapp for the entire program to share riveting government secrets he's learned about alien interactions on Earth. DeLonge abruptly changed his career focus last year when he announced the launch of Sekret Machines, the umbrella title for a series of books, films, and documentaries which will focus on UFOs, government secrecy, alien intelligence, and related paranormal subjects. He has recruited a team of authors and filmmakers to work on various parts of his 'transmedia' endeavor, and has used his rock star status to secure introductions to several highly placed officials and executives within the military/industrial complex, who are now informing his research.

Detailing his labyrinthine journey of meeting with various NASA and government officials in a host of different cities and locations, he explained that they were interested in his pitch to disseminate information about the UFO and alien question to a younger audience, and portray the government in a more positive light than in the past. Speaking under conditions of anonymity, officials told him that concealment of information stemmed from the Cold War era, when nuclear war was a constant concern. They referred to the aliens as the 'Others,' and said they could best be conceptualized as gods.

"The entire UFO phenomenon is about multiple gods that fight among themselves, and by design factionalize mankind into different religions, to step back and let us fight each other, so it has other things that it wants to accomplish, and we don't notice them because we're too involved fighting each other," DeLonge recounted.

The various UFO crashes might have been done on purpose for the aliens to translate their technology to humanity in order to give us greater weapons of war to use on each other, he continued. According to his sources, the US has "cracked gravity" and is building machinery that incorporates antigravity. The 'Others' are said to be behind the cattle mutilation phenomenon. DeLonge's co-author A.J. Hartley (http://ajhartley.net/) joined the conversation for a segment to discuss the writing process in their new thriller Chasing Shadows that weaves in historical material about real UFO cases, like the Barney & Betty Hill abduction.

The four hours of the show (27 March 2016, minus commercials) are archived here for anyone to download:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_Tom_DeLonge_Mar_27_2016_all_4_hours.zip (55.9 Mb)

[CaptnNemo]

So much dripping going on everywhere...It is inevitable ..the only question remains ..when & how..

Great times to be living on this planet right now for so many reasons!! I embrace it!! :)

Peace!

[wnlight]

I don't know. This 'Sekret Machines' story line seems to be more the premise of a fresh, new movie. Maybe much better than the latest Star Wars western/movie.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

I'd like to encourage everyone to listen to this interview. (Download here: http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_Tom_DeLonge_Mar_27_2016_all_4_hours.zip.) The total time, minus commercials, is about two and a half hours. It may be important, and we may all get to hear more about this in due course, if this really is an orchestrated roll-out of sorts.

George Knapp (who is far better than George Noory) did a good job. He knows a lot of stuff about this field... a little more than Tom DeLonge. Twice in the third hour, at 10:33 and 21:30, Knapp challenges DeLonge, very professionally, that he may be being spun and used (my paraphrase).

In response, DeLonge comes over (in my opinion) as basically star-struck — his experiences and contacts with the military are clearly very real — and insists he's being told the truth, having been taken very much into the inside confidence of the military-intel machine.

I doubt it's as simple as that. It sounds to me like an unplanned opportunity for a valuable limited hangout. That doesn't mean this is a bad thing to happen... but DeLonge may well be helping these guys solve a problem they have, at least partially. So I'd suggest we need to keep all that in mind.

A few further points to also keep in mind, maybe — and I welcome more from others:


Any opinions I might offer here are based only on listening (carefully!) to this one interview. So they're subject to change. :)



I tend to think DeLonge is telling the whole truth (with some sensitive details appropriately redacted) about how come he became involved in all this.



Based on what I've heard (subject to change, as I noted above) I'm finding myself thinking DeLonge is enthusiastic, honest, but naive. His military contacts didn't plan for his coming to them with his proposals, but that doesn't mean that they're not smart, informed and opportunistic.



They will also have profiled him right up the wazoo (and quickly, too), knowing exactly what he will and won't do, think, or believe. So while it suits DeLonge to feel that he's kind of been in control of quite a lot of what's transpired (listen to the interview), it may actually not be that way at all.



I'd love for DeLonge to sit in a room for a day or two with Richard Dolan, Timothy Good, Jim Marrs, Linda Howe, Joseph Farrell, and Catherine Austin Fitts. (I'd not mind being there, too. :) ) I suspect DeLonge's focus might be sharpened just a little, and his perspective broadened.



Finally, watch this space... it's just possible this one will start to roll quite a long way.

[Ewan]

Now he says he recently "pitched" his way into high circles, and his Sekret Machines book is the starting point of a coming disclosure for a younger audience.

I may be getting cynical, but as I read that quoted line it sounded like implanting a meme in the younger generation. I'll try to listen to interview later.

[Bill Ryan]

as I read that quoted line it sounded like implanting a meme in the younger generation.Yes. The meme, clearly stated by DeLonge himself, is that [my paraphrase, but actually maybe pretty close] the military-intel insiders are heroes who have had a bad rap and need all the support they can get. DeLonge himself used the word 'heroes' several times.

[Cidersomerset]

This interview is from 2012 ,Larry has done many UFO items over the years always
with two or three researchers and a sceptic with the same result , what ever
evidence is put forward unless the sceptic can touch , feel and see it
they will no believe it...LOL

James Fox flips the editor of the Sceptic mag 180 degrees at one point when he
says that they had changed there view about climate change. Basically these
groups are often funded by intel groups ask Mr.Pope , Mr.French or Dr David Clarke
among others.....

Nick Pope, MOD Spokesman and UFO Skeptic on Jimmy Church Fade To Black, 4 March 2015
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80469-MOD-Spokesman-and-UFO-Skeptic-Nick-Pope-on-Jimmy-Church-Fade-To-Black..4-3-15&p=940772#post940772


Some of the shows Larry Did are ok , but this one is not so good but
interesting in some respects imo....


TOM DELONGE TALKS UFOS WITH LARRY KING (Interview)

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Published on 15 Jan 2014
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This one is better.....

Tom Delonge 2012 Interview with Spacing Out

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Published on 22 Dec 2012

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[Professor]

This was not the first time that Tom DeLonge has been a guest with George Knapp. Check the archives for priors. I remember once before and there may have been others. This has been developing over time...

[Cidersomerset]

This is what I was looking for before I got side tracked......

Interview starts aprox 10 mins in......This is his third appearance on coast.


Coast To Coast AM - March 27, 2016 Government UFO Revelations

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Published on 28 Mar 2016


Coast To Coast AM - March 27, 2016 Government UFO Revelations

Co-founder of the rock bands Blink 182 and Angels and Airwaves, Tom DeLonge, joined
George Knapp for the entire program to share riveting government secrets he's learned
about alien interactions on Earth. DeLonge abruptly changed his career focus last year
when he announced the launch of Sekret Machines, the umbrella title for a series of books,
films, and documentaries which will focus on UFOs, government secrecy, alien intelligence,
and related paranormal subjects. He has recruited a team of authors and filmmakers to
work on various parts of his 'transmedia' endeavor, and has used his rock star status to
secure introductions to several highly placed officials and executives within the military/
industrial complex, who are now informing his research.

Detailing his labyrinthine journey of meeting with various NASA and government officials in
a host of different cities and locations, he explained that they were interested in his pitch to
disseminate information about the UFO and alien question to a younger audience, and portray
the government in a more positive light than in the past. Speaking under conditions of anonymity,
officials told him that concealment of information stemmed from the Cold War era, when nuclear
war was a constant concern. They referred to the aliens as the 'Others,' and said they could best
be conceptualized as gods.

"The entire UFO phenomenon is about multiple gods that fight among themselves, and by design
factionalize mankind into different religions, to step back and let us fight each other, so it has other
things that it wants to accomplish, and we don't notice them because we're too involved fighting
each other," DeLonge recounted.

The various UFO crashes might have been done on purpose for the aliens to translate their technology
to humanity in order to give us greater weapons of war to use on each other, he continued. According
to his sources, the US has "cracked gravity" and is building machinery that incorporates antigravity.
The 'Others' are said to be behind the cattle mutilation phenomenon. DeLonge's co-author A.J. Hartley
joined the conversation for a segment to discuss the writing process in their new thriller Chasing Shadows
that weaves in historical material about real UFO cases, like the Barney & Betty Hill abduction.

Coast To Coast AM - March 27, 2016 Government UFO Revelations

[Bill Ryan]

Coast To Coast AM - March 27, 2016 Government UFO Revelations

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vkQHSO-T9hk

Yes, that's what I uploaded, and was the interview I was referring to.


This was not the first time that Tom DeLonge has been a guest with George Knapp. Check the archives for priors. I remember once before and there may have been others. This has been developing over time...

Yes, from http://coasttocoastam.com/guest/delonge-tom/55135:



UFOs: Mysteries & Theories (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/11/30)
Sunday November 30, 2014
Tom DeLonge, member of Blink-182, joined George Knapp to discuss his interest in ufology, his recent trip to Area 51, and how he's using his celebrity status to bring awareness to oddities and mysterious stories from around the world. First hour guest, ufologist Robert Hastings spoke about cases in which UFOs have appeared over nuclear weapon sites and sometimes tampered with or shutdown the... More » (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2014/11/30)
Host: George Knapp

Rock & Roll and UFOs (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/12/18)
Sunday December 18, 2011
George Knapp was joined by Tom DeLonge, member of the band Blink 182, for a discussion on the weird world of rock and roll, his longstanding interest in UFOs, and his new website that he hopes will become a clearinghouse for paranormal news. In the first hour, lawyer for Sirhan Sirhan, William F. Pepper, explained why he believes his client is innocent of the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy. ... More » (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/12/18)
Host: George Knapp

[Cidersomerset]

The four hours of the show (27 March 2016, minus commercials) are archived here for anyone to download:
•http://we.tl/RXV9loWZw4 (55.9 Mb)


Oh yeah I not sure how I missed that other than I'm very tired....LOL

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Quote Posted by Ewan (here)

as I read that quoted line it sounded like implanting a meme in the younger
generation.

Yes. The meme, clearly stated by DeLonge himself, is that [my
paraphrase, but actually maybe pretty close] the military-intel insiders are heroes
who have had a bad rap and need all the support they can get. DeLonge himself used the word 'heroes' several times.


I've listened to the first hour and have to go to bed ,apart from what you
commented on I was not impressed with Hillary's disclosure caveat about
UFO disclosure , unless its a national security issue. That means no disclosure
and makes you wonder their motives. They were in the White house for 8
years, also another 8 years in this administration and has thousands of leaked
e-mails on various subjects supporting the corporate aganda's in the Middle East
and elsewhere.Hillary had her UFO book and maywell be interested in the subject.
Its not up to the President who ever he or she is , so unless TPTB ok disclosure
there won't be any I don't think , Which George and Tom know.




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The second hour starts off with the clandestine meetings with
more questions than answers and is intriguing and he sounds
genuine and it could well of happened ? George says the good
stuff is coming up after the break aprox 118 mins in....

[WhiteLove]

The thing about rock music type of people, is that some of them are incredibly real.

[Bill Ryan]

The thing about rock music type of people, is that some of them are incredibly real.

Thanks — but what did that mean??

That came over like a rather shallow, casual, one-liner YouTube comment — really. I listened to this interview carefully, making notes, and gave quite some thought to my post (#5) above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1059704&viewfull=1#post1059704).


What's a 'rock music type of person'?
Are people who are not rock music type of people UNreal?
What's 'real'?
Do you have any comments on what Tom Delonge is publicly stating, or the experience he says he had?
Did you listen to this yourself?
Do you have anything to say that might be helpful to anyone seeking to understand this better?

Not being down on you. But come on, I'm suggesting this may deserve a serious analysis, and a serious discussion. :)

[Bill Ryan]

.
This may be interesting (scheduled for tomorrow, 11 April):

http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1112599/pg1

Tom DeLonge Will be on ATS to Answer Your Sekret Machines Questions: April 11, 2016

Whatever one might think of ATS (Above Top Secret (http://abovetopsecret.com)) — I'm convinced (with reason) that it's a controlled CIA platform, and I'm not alone in that view — the members there are primarily a bunch of fairly well-informed skeptics. And some of the members are good guys, too. So DeLonge may get quite a grilling (or not!), depending on where the questions come from, how they're presented, and who asks them.

I found this, quite easily, by searching for responses to DeLonge's public announcements on the various UFO websites, forums and radio shows. It may (or may not!) be interesting that ATS was one of the very first to respond.

Two of the ATS founders, Springer (Mark Allin) and SkepticOverlord (Bill Irvine), are very much behind this, as is evident from their rather one-dimensional, simplistic, enthusiastic comments. The username SkepticOverlord tells you everything you need to know, and Springer/Mark Allin's wife, Melissa (ATS username Valhall) used to work for Halliburton. Go figure. I know these guys.

If this audio is openly published (which I'd expect it to be as part of the military-intel-encouraged rollout), as opposed to being for ATS members only, it may be very revealing in several ways.

[Matthew]

...
I'd love for DeLonge to sit in a room for a day or two with Richard Dolan, Timothy Good, Jim Marrs, Linda Howe, Joseph Farrell, and Catherine Austin Fitts. (I'd not mind being there, too. ) I suspect DeLonge's focus might be sharpened just a little, and his perspective broadened.
...


I would love for this to happen. Blaming 'the others' for everything, exonerating humans in positions of power is a bit far fetched. It's so obviously unbalanced the spin itself alludes to the truth. Disillusionment is the real meme

[Cidersomerset]

Two of the ATS founders, Springer (Mark Allin) and SkepticOverlord (Bill Irvine), are
very much behind this, as is evident from their rather one-dimensional, simplistic, enthusiastic
comments. The username SkepticOverlord tells you everything you need to know, and
Springer/Mark Allin's wife, Melissa (ATS username Valhall) used to work for Halliburton.
Go figure. I know these guys.

I'm listening to Tom explain the cold war aspect and he is being a bit sycophantic
over his praise , being 'proud of these brave men' . I understand where he's
coming from and trying to get at , but its coming over as if ' sir' was just sitting
at his desk waiting for the right conduit to disclose . Tom is aware of this and
I'don't know ? we need much more and it will be interesting when the doc comes
out. Early days.

Something about this feels wrong , He has to disclose information in a certain
way , to get access to a certain demographic of the population. 5 star generals
and intel agencies are having difficulty influencing in the internet age. In the
TV /radio/ print era it was easier to control the populations in many ways imo.

Some of it is plausible and comes from Camelot/Avalon witness's and others.
He realises the situation it may pay off ? or it could completely backfire and
he could be set up to fail to push disclosure back for another generation,
who knows ?... Phone calls next....Good question from Robert.

Tom seems genuine and the ' timing' is interesting I've been listening and posting
several David Ickes interviews recently and although he does not go into the ET
disclosure that much recently. He said years ago that he was drawn to events
culminating now 2016/17/18 and beyond which is why he is embarking on an
open ended speaking tour in a few months. He is focusing more on the political
and spiritual aspects of the geo political global picture . Now whether this period
may include some form of ET disclosure and TPTB may feel the omens and celestial
dates line up ? Its all about magik at certain levels .


" Bloody ell " I just finished the above sentence
Its all about magik at
certain levels and then 219mins in Tom say " NASA says its a very good
time for this....' WOW' ..LOL I must be channelling esp....
Not really I have just been on sites like Avalon as Robert said in his question.

Just finished overall a very interesting conversation, its where it goes from here.

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David Icke: World Wide Wake- Up Tour

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Published on 21 Feb 2016
This is the first of four segments with David Icke. He has a tour coming up and he
may be in your city. Our next segment goes into what the system of control
actually wants. Interesting stuff!

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Again this is not new to people down the rabbit hole .....


An article from todays Headline page


CIA’s Work With Filmmakers Puts All Media Workers at Risk

By David on 10 April 2016 GMT

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John Goodman played a moviemaker working with CIA agent Ben Affleck to
produce a fake film in the Oscar-winning Argo. It turns out there were real CIA
agents working with the real movie-makers to make the actual film Argo.



‘Vice’s Jason Leopold has uncovered documents showing the CIA
had a role in producing up to 22 entertainment “projects,” including
History Channel documentary Air America: The CIA’s Secret Airline,
Bravo‘s Top Chef: Covert Cuisine, the USA Network series Covert
Affairs and the BBC documentary The Secret War on Terror—along
with two fictional feature films about the CIA that both came out in 2012.

The CIA’s involvement in the production of Zero Dark Thirty (effectively
exchanging “insider” access for a two-hour-long torture commercial) has
already been well-established, but the agency’s role in the production of
Argo—which won the Best Picture Oscar for 2012—was heretofore unknown.
The extent of the CIA’s involvement in the projects is still largely classified,
as Leopold notes, quoting an Agency audit report:’

Read more: CIA’s Work With Filmmakers Puts All Media Workers at Risk


http://fair.org/home/cias-work-with-filmmakers-puts-all-media-workers-at-risk/

[Sunny-side-up]

Great post and uploaded materials.

Drip-Drip going on Hmm! well yes there is but to what end.
Is it disclosure coming or padding for a possible 'Flash-Alien-Invasion'

Nothing is straightforward or simple anymore, not that it has ever been so 0.o

Back tracking now to read/watch all of this post ;sun;

[WhiteLove]

The thing about rock music type of people, is that some of them are incredibly real.

Thanks — but what did that mean??

That came over like a rather shallow, casual, one-liner YouTube comment — really. I listened to this interview carefully, making notes, and gave quite some thought to my post (#5) above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1059704&viewfull=1#post1059704).


What's a 'rock music type of person'?
Are people who are not rock music type of people UNreal?
What's 'real'?
Do you have any comments on what Tom Delonge is publicly stating, or the experience he says he had?
Did you listen to this yourself?
Do you have anything to say that might be helpful to anyone seeking to understand this better?

Not being down on you. But come on, I'm suggesting this may deserve a serious analysis, and a serious discussion. :)

I am also into music and can relate to certain types of personalities by their musical attitude, by their expressions etc. and when it comes to various genres within music, I've found that people that are much into rock music, some of them are really authentic in a very natural and unique way, something about their rock influence is causing that, it's a connection on a very deep level. That does not mean I think everybody else are not, not at all, there are times however when I am in contact with persons that are much into rock and I begin to feel how real the situation is being with that person, which I appreciate and it always makes me wonder what is it about rock music that causes all of this authenticity and this particular type of authenticity. Therefore, when we discuss guys like Tom Delonge being a force of disclosure, it does not surprise me that the person is also much into rock music, for me it's just an indication there could be something very authentic and true about this.

[Bill Ryan]

I am also into music and can relate to certain types of personalities by their musical attitude, by their expressions etc. and when it comes to various genres within music, I've found that people that are much into rock music, some of them are really authentic in a very natural and unique way, something about their rock influence is causing that, it's a connection on a very deep level. That does not mean I think everybody else are not, not at all, there are times however when I am in contact with persons that are much into rock and I begin to feel how real the situation is being with that person, which I appreciate and it always makes me wonder what is it about rock music that causes all of this authenticity and this particular type of authenticity. Therefore, when we discuss guys like Tom Delonge being a force of disclosure, it does not surprise me that the person is also much into rock music, for me it's just an indication there could be something very authentic and true about this.

Thanks for the clarification. :) This is only partially on topic — but is kind of connected, as Tom Delonge's appeal to many will be because of his implied and assumed positive status as a valid, credible messenger. That's fully recognized by his military-intel monitors. They're smart people... almost certainly smarter then DeLonge, as I mentioned above. (DeLonge himself was awed by their credentials, as he openly said.)

So, what's in it for them? Remember — this is above all else a PR exercise. That's not a cynical comment: it's an exact description of what's happening, and DeLonge would be the first to state this. Listen to the interview.

Importantly, I'd seriously question whether musicians have any special claim to be more 'real and authentic' than anyone else — but this is of course a common perception/belief. A carefully crafted illusion, maybe.

Rather, there's a lot to suggest that many modern musicians are influenced not so much by a desire to communicate truth, but by a combination of ego (this is manifest in DeLonge's account of his own experiences), commercial, style and fashion mandates, and a high-level of manipulation by the darker side of the music industry, from a high level.

As in every other field, there is the whole, wide spectrum of humanity and spirituality. Some musicians are the highest quality human beings. Others are not.

The same with artists, actors, producers, business people, sports people, teachers, medics, authors, engineers, scientists... everyone. To suggest that musicians have a higher claim to authenticity is I think naive. That's a created, manipulated belief system, and I'd suggest that many fall for it. But of course, they're marketed (and market themselves) that way.

Do read this very, very important research piece by Dave McGowan:
http://projectavalon.net/Weird_Scenes_Inside_the_Canyon_Dave_McGowan.pdf
I say that because it seems that you may not be aware of the CIA foundations of the modern music industry.

Much in modern music was, and is, very heavily steered, filtered and controlled... and this is the possible link with DeLonge's involvement in what just might be an opportunistic but very real quasi-disclosure rollout. There are a lot of reasons to be a little wary and concerned. Early reviews of the first book are very positive... but it does feel like it's likely to be a limited hangout.

Meaning, a carefully orchestrated (or permitted — remember, DeLonge has stated he's run everything past his advisers) partial disclosure of what the military-intel factions WANT to known and believed. But it seems highly unlikely to be the entire picture, even though DeLonge himself states that big picture is disturbing.

It's his painting of the military-intel factions as 'heroes', and his throwaway line — listen to the interview — about 'pathetic conspiracy theories' (those were his exact words) that's worrying.

In the briefest summary: It seems, at first sight, he may be completely in their pocket. DeLonge's musician's ego may have blinded him to what may be happening.

I'd be most interested to hear from anyone who's already read the first book.

[Wide-Eyed]

as I read that quoted line it sounded like implanting a meme in the younger generation.Yes. The meme, clearly stated by DeLonge himself, is that [my paraphrase, but actually maybe pretty close] the military-intel insiders are heroes who have had a bad rap and need all the support they can get. DeLonge himself used the word 'heroes' several times.

It is interesting and they seem to be ramping up the learning curve on UFO disclosure. Perhaps all the missing $$$ and degradation to civilization from suppressed UFO phenomenon and the breakaway civilization actions have their timelines in a tangle they are rolling out carefully controlled disclosure to try and undo what their suppression and lying programs with their paradigm of scarcity have brought them. Catherine Austin Fitts in Dark Journalist interviews and her presentations at Secret Space Program notes having high level meetings with government officials on the effects of disclosure or even sudden disclosure on the population. Good work on this thread all around. Is it a carefully orchestrated Rand Corp type of disclosure roll out? Let's not forget to recall the series opener of the X Files....Maybe it is going to be time for Lucy to have to do a lot of "Essplaining"

[TODD & NORA]

..........

[WhiteLove]

There are a lot of reasons to be a little wary and concerned. Early reviews of the first book are very positive... but it does feel like it's likely to be a limited hangout.

Thanks, very good points Bill! There is at this point much uncertainty within me about what Tom has shared, I do find there is definitely a truthful commitment on his part from the perspective that this is truly something he is passionate about. But how much more of this is truth, that I am in the process of trying to figure out.:coffee:

I notice that Tom has a wide perspective, I do believe there is a genuine enthusiasm behind that. For me, what is missing here is what exactly are the sources that have fed him
this information, my focus is actually more on the fact that there is from our perspective an unknown force feeding him this type of information. To me that in combination with a popular artist on a popular UFO radio show spreading the message that there are some people in the government that are actually heroes when it comes to the UFO topic, that is huge! That is so much that I am very busy thinking of the various implications of that portion of it alone, before I am going past that to try to figure out is the message true or not.

So this C2C episode is definitely in itself a pretty remarkable thing! Now, I must say that yes in deed a gut reaction is that there is a naive element present in the sense that it is definitely possible that this is a scenario where "the elite" makes a failed attempt at using a popular music artist as a middle man to distract people's awareness of the truth, immediately that is a major concern and I definitely share that reaction with you Bill. But if that is true, then we might be looking straight into the eyes of the beast. My take on it so far is that it appears to be an entreprenuer that is in the works of creating an enterprise around some information that might be coming straight from the elite without the person being aware of it. Either that or it is straight up constructed up front lie. Maybe there is something of this that is true, for instance it might be true that some persons with limited access in the government are in a way heroes, but I find we are dealing with such a massive topic in general and on top of that these claims pop up, that's not something I am just going to sign under. I need to study this much more. :coffee:

[Bill Ryan]

As someone who has spent considerable time studying and living within intel circles as well as the ET - disclosure arena - I can testify that there is no cohesive leadership and this may be why there is so much dripping going on. They are confused. There are so many different factions with different agendas. And there is definitely scrambling going on as the entire facade is cracking. I would suggest everyone in America read "The Devil's Chessboard" and then add hyper dimensional extraterrestrial overlords to that and the struggle for humans to activate their free will to consciousness and you would start to get a grounding in what we are dealing with.

Thank you — actually, I'd like to ask you to say a little more about this. One of my criticisms of DeLonge's presentation on C2C (which I didn't state earlier on the thread) was that he said — my paraphrase from memory — there's just a grab-bag of scientists, and no big-picture overview.

I found that hard to believe. The analogy would be in World War II, there being no strategic overview of the entire campaign... just a bunch of battles fought by locally focused field commanders, all under fire and with their hands full. And if there really IS a threat to the planet, as DeLonge strongly implies, it's hardly going to be a 'grab-bag of scientists' who are considering the very, very serious problems. It'll be a military-intel issue, at the highest possible level.

I do know that there's a lot of fracturing among the different agencies (not to mention countries) involved. Camelot witness Henry Deacon (Arthur Neumann) described to us vividly, and credibly, where he'd presided over meetings between representatives of different agencies, each with their own interests, where things got so heated that at one point a chair was thrown across the room. (Write that into a movie! :bigsmile: )

So yes, "They are confused. There are so many different factions with different agendas." Agreed fully. But can you expand on this further?

[Bill Ryan]

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And — @ PRAY PEACE — I have another question... maybe a contentious one.

DeLonge maintains that he's been told there is a threat to the planet, and that (my VERY rough paraphrase), not all of 'The Others' are benevolent. I believe that.

Now, Steven Greer is the agencies' keep-him-in-our-pockets-in-case-of-Disclosure-to-reassure-everyone golden boy. Does this mean that the Greer strategy has been abandoned, and that he's now being thrown to the dogs? A serious question.

[Bluegreen]

.More about Tom DeLonge, written up for Coast To Coast AM here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/03/27):

"The entire UFO phenomenon is about multiple gods that fight among themselves, and by design factionalize mankind into different religions, to step back and let us fight each other, so it has other things that it wants to accomplish, and we don't notice them because we're too involved fighting each other," DeLonge recounted.

Wes Penre, the Gnostic Gospels, and many others have been saying this for some time ...

The various UFO crashes might have been done on purpose for the aliens to translate their technology to humanity ...

And although DeLonge is talking about the Cold War keep in mind the history may go back further and include things like the monetary system and religions among said technologies ...

... in order to give us greater weapons of war to use on each other, he continued.

The Day After Roswell by Phillip Corso is not so much about the Roswell crashes as it is the story of General Electric and other companies many have heard of, and how the military industrial complex carried out their coup which had previously failed with Smedley Butler and was so eloquently articulated at the time by a shaken to the core President Eisenhower.

As has been stated DeLonge is convincing about being in touch with government officials which is of course a double edged sword. On the one hand, military and government documentation and statements are to be taken seriously wherever and however they may appear, and as much as it pains to think about the upcoming election we have Clinton and Podesta making public statements about UFOs. On the other, the government is run by the military industrial complex and the CIA who are by profession liars. So we have that.

Please keep in mind that DeLonge himself may have his quirks and let's be polite and say limited education as do we all; no one is immune. It can be taken into consideration that as a musician DeLonge speaks a global language that everyone understands, whether they speak it or not. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind comes to mind.

Sekret Machines is another corporation that deserves attention.

[JohnJ]

I listened to the interview a day or so after it aired. I am going to listen again today carefully to get some of my questions answered.
My take on the first listen was "Oh another new whistleblower" But then after that initial reaction I thought that maybe there is some truth in what he was saying. Maybe, Kinda, somewhat believeable. But when he went to the marketing of books that were non fiction and fiction books? I then just kept hearing blah blah blah. Then I started to think this was just more dis information crap.
Maybe because he was a popular musician makes him more believeable? Who knows. He most likely has the time and the financial means to travel from place to place to interview or be interviewed. Maybe he was as described and just got very lucky to ask the right questions at the right time. I hate to be too cynical, but.....
I will give it another close listen and try to come to a more informed conclusion.
Now with that said, what I heard does sound pretty cool.

[WhiteLove]

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And — @ PRAY PEACE — I have another question... maybe a contentious one.

DeLonge maintains that he's been told there is a threat to the planet, and that (my VERY rough paraphrase), not all of 'The Others' are benevolent. I believe that.

Now, Steven Greer is the agencies' keep-him-in-our-pockets-in-case-of-Disclosure-to-reassure-everyone golden boy. Does this mean that the Greer strategy has been abandoned, and that he's now being thrown to the dogs? A serious question.

Bill, what I think we are witnessing here, is the multi layered nature of deception. After having studied Tom's sharing of information I firmly believe both the source and the messenger are telling "the truth", but that this is false due to a layer of security that source of information has been in contact with. So I think overall the message is pretty false and that it has been injected into the truth seeking community designed to distract and deceive. But that is the aspect of this that I find fascinating, because that tells me someone is sitting on a lot of information, wants the people to be in the dark and shows it. Now, that among all of this is what I find most likely. The issue about Tom's story is that he is not a first hand witness. So no matter how great his intentions might be, the fact remains that at the root it might be a planted lie.

When it comes to Greer, I think that he is protected by higher intelligence beyond this world. Much of Greer's work is about love as a bridge to connect forms of life that people need to become aware of and that's such a profound step for mankind that I am sure that is nested into an intelligent design beyond what agencies on earth are able to control. So in that sense any agency might have any agenda/plan against Greer, but that might not play any important role in the events that are unfolding.

The reason I think love meditation plays an important role in various UFO contacts (I was personally in contact with Christ in prayer prior to my UFO experience asking for the contact to occur, but I had friends around me that got to experience it without that contact made directly by them), is because you are in a state of higher truth than normal and therefore on that level you become temporarily less limited, not in terms of senses directly, but in terms of what is allowed into those senses at that state of being, because the act of meditation/prayer is an act of free will, the combination is what makes these experiences appropriate from a higher intelligence point of view, part of that is so that the event does not unfold in- or create fear. Because they know that very limited beings can become scared.

Every day now I become more and more convinced that the greater the connection to truth is, the less limited you are as a being. So when you seek truth, you find truth. The free will is respected.

At this point in my evolution, I am pretty sure that creation is infinite. And I'm thinking of what it would be like to be one of those intelligent beings coming here, that have access to things that we cannot even imagine. They are perfectly aware of the miracle of creation, how it is constantly supporting their being and from that point they have absolutely no reason for any kinds of battle about anything. Therefore causing pain is not in their vocabulary anymore, they have learned that, transcended beyond that and are now at a level of freedom beyond our understanding. They want us to be as free as they are, become free from all deception present on earth, but they respect free will and the natural progress of creation.

[DNA]

I've listened to the first hour and 20 minutes.
I 100% agree with his stance that witnessing a UFO is often contingent on the brains ability to engage a certain meditative state with opened dormant senses.
I like that he brought John Keel and Jacque Vallee into the idea of UFO's.
For me personally, I feel the human population of the planet is under a spell if you will that binds us tighter than any chain could.
All UFO experiences and interactions feel so unexplainable because we are interacting with folks who are not under this spell. The are not chained.
I personally feel the spell has been explained to us via mythology. I look at the story of the Titan Cronos/Saturn swallowing his children in order to prevent them from attaining their powers and perhaps overthrowing him. Cronos being the God of time, I feel that we are the children of Universe but we have been swallowed and are now bound within this spell. I feel it is time that causes us to not be able to access the multidimensional aspect of ourselves.

It seems folks who imbibe mushrooms, Ayahuasca and such escape this perceptual confine and are able to glimpse UFO's and aliens.
I'm of the opinion that folks can do this without drugs, and they can meditate and reach past this spell and see on their own.

I didn't know what to think of Tom's story of meditating and hoping to see UFO's, and then falling asleep and hearing hundreds of people walking and talking around him.
It's bizarre, but I don't really know how to classify that.


Tom's story about being given permission by high ranking General types from the US military to disclose the information he's received seemed pretty legit.

Tom seems to have a pretty positive view on the military and Government officials. I'm guessing he does not factor the depopulation agenda into what he is doing.

The term "aliens" is not used, the term "others" is used. And he states they are referred to as gods and that these gods fight among themselves. And that these "others" are instigating war among mankind.

I agree with the term "aliens" being false. When you factor time, dimensions and space, we have no idea where these folks are coming from. And yes, I'm thinking any sentient being not locked in the spell that I think the human race is in would in fact appear as a god.

I have to say, this sounds a lot like "The Terra Papers" by Robert Morningsky.

Atleast in so much as their being a war going on between contending races of "others" is concerned over this planet.

[TODD & NORA]

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[TODD & NORA]

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[Adam Greenland]

I'd love for DeLonge to sit in a room for a day or two with Richard Dolan, Timothy Good, Jim Marrs, Linda Howe, Joseph Farrell, and Catherine Austin Fitts. (I'd not mind being there, too. :) ) I suspect DeLonge's focus might be sharpened just a little, and his perspective broadened.




Looking into Tom's past interviews I found a mention of Joseph Farrell, Marrs and Good in one from a few years back. He gives them a shout out and basically hijacks an Amazon Book Club interview pushing these guys and their books.

Would be an interesting sit-down for sure.

From Jan 2015.

Www.amazonfrontrow.com/post/109417720030/amazon-music-book-club-ex-blink-182-guitarist-tom

[JohnJ]

After listening to the interview again I still am not convinced that what he says is legitimate.
He did say that he was working on the books before he met the insiders. Sooooooooo, mis speak or is he telling the truth or is he a clever young man spinning a tale?
He addressed the question, "Why him?" Basically because he had prepared a thesis. And that he knows people. And is respectful.
I have always thought the story of gods with a little "g" makes more sense than most to me. I am now more curious to hear and read what more he has to say.
Not sure about his story but I think I will fuel it by buying his book. Let us see where it goes.

[DNA]

The revealing of Greer's corruption is an interesting nutshell. It's like new agers and the moral relativists who think sunshine and thinking positive thoughts will solve all our problems. We have a very big problem on Earth at the moment - 30 million human slaves, most of them children, being sold for sex.
I was struck when I listened to Kerry's interview with Mark Richards when Richard's stated that refugee situations like the one in Syria are created partially for the massive refugee situation which negative ET's take advantage of for food, sex and slavery. I remember hearing Richards state this before the refugee situation in Syria had become the point of focus for the media it has now become. Of course this whole outlet Kerry has found could be all bullocks, and here is to hoping that it is.




We have very real base material evil actively destroying the means for humans to survive at all - it starts with the rape and extraction of the life blood of the planet and continues up the pyramid, plants, animals, humans....and who or what is at the top of that pyramid? Inmo...hyperdimensional/ET service to self and the humans that worship it think they are masters but clearly are slaves.

I often wonder if our Secret Space Program can stand up to these folks. Or, are they the equivalent of Venice ferrymen pole pushing a passenger Gondola towards a bay of Aircraft Carriers and Battleships?
Only practicing their craft because they are not even noticed and or considered no threat what so ever.



Greer has been on the Russian payroll since the late 70s when he was recruited during his time in Israel. He's been kept around with an Agency handler but his pathologies and criminal behavior have soured those who were ok with him dripping some of the goods out. His "all the ETS are good" thing also has gotten old considering what is going on. My read is that the intel world currently has a fair amount of "wanderers" incarnated into it to try to do the right thing. It's not organized at all but there are good people here and there and definitely a few in positions of authority who understand that there is a serious battle for Earth currently underway and the nation states are a front for what's really happening.
I realize what you are stating with Greer, and although Bill and Kerry have done a fine job of pointing this out, I've always found myself secretly wishing Greer was correct. (A guy can dream right?)
I've come to the point where I've felt he just wasn't being discerning, but I've never thought so far as to think the guy is a paid agent spreading dissinfo.
Do you have any links to substantiate any of these claims on Greer? Insofar as he being a paid disinformation agent and all?




Planet X is real, they know it, and it's also driving a current call out to anyone who might have a clue.

You got any kind of timeline for that?
I would love to hear something in the 10,000 year range so I can stop worrying my pretty little head about it. :)

[Billy]

.
And — @ PRAY PEACE — I have another question... maybe a contentious one.

DeLonge maintains that he's been told there is a threat to the planet, and that (my VERY rough paraphrase), not all of 'The Others' are benevolent. I believe that.

Now, Steven Greer is the agencies' keep-him-in-our-pockets-in-case-of-Disclosure-to-reassure-everyone golden boy. Does this mean that the Greer strategy has been abandoned, and that he's now being thrown to the dogs? A serious question.

Firstly, thank you again for the MP3's Bill.
I found it interesting that Tom stated in hour two, that his intention is to reverse the cynicism people have about government and the military industrial complex. Therefore I continue to look for hidden agendas and my trust will be zero until I hear more.
I find it very possible that the UFO crashes were no accident and were also not shot down by our own technology, accidentally on purpose by OTHERS, as they say.

I am also very intrigued with the use of the word OTHERS by TOM and the high heed yins. The term "others" was coined in the 70s by an entity named TOM (a coincidence I am sure) who spoke through transceiver, Phyllis V Schemmer. The book, "The only planet of choice" was later published in 1993. Phyllis announced that she was not a channeler, but a transceiver. The term others was used to describe malevolent lower density/dimensional beings who did not have humanities best interests within their agenda.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation&p=593125&viewfull=1#post593125

An example, Quote:Tom:
That is correct, and that would then create nightmarish pollution destructiveness of portions of Planet Earth. We must find another way of removing these OTHERS at this time.

Staying with this for now. As Russia is mentioned in the interview and the cold war. Another interesting quote from the same thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50646-Who-are-the-24-Elders-A-revelation&p=595147&viewfull=1#post595147



This should concern us, because many influential people attended The Nine’s Esalen seminars, including Russians who were part of the Institute’s Soviet Exchange programme. Some of these later rose to prominence in the Gorbachev regime and were instrumental in the downfall of Communism. (The Esalen Institute now runs the US branch of the Gorbachev Foundation.)

Others ? I see a connection here with what Tom says in the interview and with what was transceived to Phyllis.

[Bill Ryan]

also...I recently asked the head of intel of one of the major agencies - how bad are the biggest baddies? considering that we took in the highest level Nazi science minds...what is the degree of what they are up to now? and he said - what they are doing now would make the Nazis look like school children. but it's not genocide, it's the opposite. Transhumanism. And I mentioned Dulce and he and the other did not blink, but slightly nodded like...yeah...that's what we are talking about.

So if this is indeed the case, the bifurcation is total. And the intelligent awake ones in intelligence...they are becoming emboldened to take action in a positive sense. And at this point, the greatest evolutionary act we can take, is to support the awakening of individual FREE WILL. For it is Free Will that when consciously activated will be the tool for Earth to regain its balance and it is that which the Others - or whatever they are - the maggots of space and time - are trampling all over us and will continue to do as long as we remain zombified, stupefied, and passive.

Yes... I agree. DeLonge’s disclosure is likely to be a sanitized, exciting-but-feels-good story that carefully excludes most of the ugliest, nastiest aspects of all this. (But I would be delighted to be wrong.) The transhumanist agenda is part of that. This is evil on steroids.

And it’s humans that are doing that... not ‘The Others’. No ‘heroes’ there.

Re Greer, I knew about the criminality and psychopathy (he’s not really human himself, and that’s not a joke); I think more and more people do know about that, now.

But I’d not heard about the Russian payroll thing. I can believe it. He’s a chess piece on the big board, but may well be sacrificed if he’s no longer useful (or becomes too embarrassing).

You’re right about Free Will versus the Zombies. Sounds like the title of a straight-to-DVD movie. :) But yes, it’s in our hands, and it’s why we’re all here. No magical rescue, though we do hope that the benevolent ETs (and there are some!) are somehow on our side.

I remain cautiously skeptical of DeLonge, and I’ll listen to his next interview with great interest. I would certainly LOVE to hear him talking, in depth, with Richard Dolan and Linda Howe. One could sell tickets for that.

[Carmody]

Physics is also 'on fire' right now. Things are moving along fast. One of a hundred items. this will lead to fully blown transmutation, along with well..other stuff. (http://phys.org/news/2016-04-state-two-dimensional-material.html) When you have fractional electrons, you automatically beget or move to, in logic dominos....proton/neutron disruption and flipping, which is...transmutation. Which automatically changes all basis of finance, scarcity, and resource --all in one fell swoop, which is what I've been warning about, regarding gold/silver/money/finance..that the people in finance and money markets, global finance, in the big and the small, they have no idea what is about to happen. Final positions and last cards are slowly being laid and prepped for being played, in that world, right now. (note very carefully, that in the comment section, the 'poo-pooing' controller originated nay sayers and natural ground-pounder textbook science dogmatic types.....are losing out to the open forward looking scientific pioneers. This is a massive change that has taken place in the past year or so, all over the world. Recall that Mitsubishi heavy industries reported solid work in transmutation in the past two years [50+ billion dollar corporation]..and Toyota corporation [220+ billion dollar corporation]..backs the work up with their own works and replications (http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-mystery-of-nagaokas-1920s-gold-experiments-why-did-work-stop-by-1930-dec-27-2013))

The logic path to transmutation from the fractional electron measurement success in the physorg article..is simple and straightforward. The connection --is that it is all plasma based. Plasma is inherently----organized two dimensional forced and resonant/polarized pathways. Professor nagaoka's work is plasma based... and thus two dimensional and quantum-localized. As is the fractional electron creation and measurement in the physorg article. Same-same. So don't say I never did any multi-trillion dollar favours for you. :P

Additionally, with regard to the subject matter at hand...I found an article at physorg about 1.5 weeks back, on using electricity and chemical stews to speed stem cell growth into differentiated cells, ones that self assemble into the given requisite organ or whatnot. Something that worked, and the study was announced. Sound familiar?

To add, the manufacturing of differentiated stem cells, from one's OWN DNA mixture, for one's OWN organ or limb or skin re-growth (teeth, eyes, etc), that manufacturing hardware is being designed, uhm, er, a short distance from me. (first hand data)

The techniques, in the basic sense are 'finished'. The trick is designing the commercial hardware for doing the differentiation work on MASS or bulk. To get those stem cells, your own stem cells, differentiated for you. As in like, a kilo or two of them, whatever you need, for the specific organ or structure regeneration.

This goes back to the time when the forum made a change, ie, moderators left, and whatnot.

I remember, a time, right near the end of that... when in one specific thread, some people wanted to come on board and talk about transhumanism and hybrids in labs, with highly accelerated growth processes.

They said a few things and one or two those things made me perk up, and note that they were serious, and the data was real. Some things that only the informed would know. I stated that they should be allowed to speak...as there were indications, to me, that this was legitimate....and the rest of the folks decided they wanted no part of yet another kerfuffle/flap/yarn... and resoundingly shouted it down.

Too bad, because here it is again......

Disclosure is going mainstream for the very reason that..in order to control the direction and outcome, the upper hand in the flow must be maintained, it must be driven and ridden. At a certain point...the switch does indeed flip. Slowly ---but it does flip. Disclosure is the only way to control it so the massive bloom and fire of outrage does not take all of the hidden structure down and at war with the bulk of humanity, in the open sense.

Push HAS come to shove, the unstoppable force, as misdirected and slowed as it is... is beating the living crap out of the immovable object, right now.

[Biff]

Hello Mr. Ryan. Regarding this paragraph in your last post:

"Re Greer, I knew about the criminality and psychopathy (he’s not really human himself, and that’s not a joke); I think more and more people do know about that, now."

Are you stating that Dr. Greer is not human? If so, how do you know that, and, what is he if not human? Thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Mr. Ryan. Regarding this paragraph in your last post:

"Re Greer, I knew about the criminality and psychopathy (he’s not really human himself, and that’s not a joke); I think more and more people do know about that, now."

Are you stating that Dr. Greer is not human? If so, how do you know that, and, what is he if not human? Thanks.

He has a totally human body, the same one as he had in 2001. (Though as everyone can see, it now has a different shape and musculature.) But there's a different being in there now, that prefers that kind of body, let us say. And it also prefers a different kind of sexuality, and has different ethics. All that has changed.




in one specific thread, some people wanted to come on board and talk about transhumanism and hybrids in labs, with highly accelerated growth processes.

They said a few things and one or two those things made me perk up, and note that they were serious, and the data was real. Some things that only the informed would know. I stated that they should be allowed to speak...as there were indications, to me, that this was legitimate....and the rest of the folks decided they wanted no part of yet another kerfuffle/flap/yarn... and resoundingly shouted it down.

Too bad, because here it is again......



With a bit of deft keyword/keyphrase searching, it should be simple to find that again. Paul can do it... maybe several of us could. Do PM him and me (or all of the mods), and we'll resurrect the thread. (Whatever it is! I confess I have no recall of that right now.)

[Carmody]

It was a lead in question or two, and statements, about hybrids in labs, black labs....it included a few statements about the science and technology of it, which a casual 'game player', would not understand or have at hand. Something that no gaming disinformation players would be capable of uttering. The science was too rarefied for such a thing. They wanted the forum to invite the scientists who wanted to disclose, onto the forum, to discuss it. The feel was just a bit too dark, too evil and repulsive feeling -- for it to gain traction at that difficult and fluid time for the forum.

[onawah]

Bill, did the switch of souls in Greer you are citing begin to occur soon after the time that he and his close woman associate were reportedly victims of the controllers "death ray" that causes a rare form of cancer?
That was after the Disclosure Project, but before he began making so much money with his workshops, I believe.
It was after his friend died of cancer that he began working out so much; his claim being that that was to make himself healthier, but it also seemed to make him very arrogant, which certainly isn't necessarily the result of body-building...
I wonder if his soul was replaced by some kind of Reptilian walk-in then, inasmuch as he must have been very vulnerable after the cancer-causing attack.
That would explain a lot.
It seems to have been a gradual process, but was definitely underscored when several of his close associates later stopped working with him.



With a bit of deft keyword/keyphrase searching, it should be simple to find that again. Paul can do it... maybe several of us could. Do PM him and me (or all of the mods), and we'll resurrect the thread. (Whatever it is! I confess I have no recall of that right now.)

[Carmody]

Physics is also 'on fire' right now. Things are moving along fast. One of a hundred items. this will lead to fully blown transmutation, along with well..other stuff. (http://phys.org/news/2016-04-state-two-dimensional-material.html) When you have fractional electrons, you automatically beget or move to, in logic dominos....proton/neutron disruption and flipping, which is...transmutation. Which automatically changes all basis of finance, scarcity, and resource --all in one fell swoop, which is what I've been warning about, regarding gold/silver/money/finance..that the people in finance and money markets, global finance, in the big and the small, they have no idea what is about to happen. Final positions and last cards are slowly being laid and prepped for being played, in that world, right now. (note very carefully, that in the comment section, the 'poo-pooing' controller originated nay sayers and natural ground-pounder textbook science dogmatic types.....are losing out to the open forward looking scientific pioneers. This is a massive change that has taken place in the past year or so, all over the world. Recall that Mitsubishi heavy industries reported solid work in transmutation in the past two years [50+ billion dollar corporation]..and Toyota corporation [220+ billion dollar corporation]..backs the work up with their own works and replications (http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-mystery-of-nagaokas-1920s-gold-experiments-why-did-work-stop-by-1930-dec-27-2013))

The logic path to transmutation from the fractional electron measurement success in the physorg article..is simple and straightforward. The connection --is that it is all plasma based. Plasma is inherently----organized two dimensional forced and resonant/polarized pathways. Professor nagaoka's work is plasma based... and thus two dimensional and quantum-localized. As is the fractional electron creation and measurement in the physorg article. Same-same. So don't say I never did any multi-trillion dollar favours for you. :P

Additionally, with regard to the subject matter at hand...I found an article at physorg about 1.5 weeks back, on using electricity and chemical stews to speed stem cell growth into differentiated cells, ones that self assemble into the given requisite organ or whatnot. Something that worked, and the study was announced. Sound familiar?

To add, the manufacturing of differentiated stem cells, from one's OWN DNA mixture, for one's OWN organ or limb or skin re-growth (teeth, eyes, etc), that manufacturing hardware is being designed, uhm, er, a short distance from me. (first hand data)

The techniques, in the basic sense are 'finished'. The trick is designing the commercial hardware for doing the differentiation work on MASS or bulk. To get those stem cells, your own stem cells, differentiated for you. As in like, a kilo or two of them, whatever you need, for the specific organ or structure regeneration.

This goes back to the time when the forum made a change, ie, moderators left, and whatnot.

I remember, a time, right near the end of that... when in one specific thread, some people wanted to come on board and talk about transhumanism and hybrids in labs, with highly accelerated growth processes.

They said a few things and one or two those things made me perk up, and note that they were serious, and the data was real. Some things that only the informed would know. I stated that they should be allowed to speak...as there were indications, to me, that this was legitimate....and the rest of the folks decided they wanted no part of yet another kerfuffle/flap/yarn... and resoundingly shouted it down.

Too bad, because here it is again......

Disclosure is going mainstream for the very reason that..in order to control the direction and outcome, the upper hand in the flow must be maintained, it must be driven and ridden. At a certain point...the switch does indeed flip. Slowly ---but it does flip. Disclosure is the only way to control it so the massive bloom and fire of outrage does not take all of the hidden structure down and at war with the bulk of humanity, in the open sense.

Push HAS come to shove, the unstoppable force, as misdirected and slowed as it is... is beating the living crap out of the immovable object, right now.

The connection to potentials in transhumanism, is that is it the same, in some important scientific considerations -- to the transmutation.

Two dimensional plasma oriented creationist systems/works. It is inherently dimensional/translational in nature.

"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K" - Ted (Keanu Reeves), Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure

"When the going gets weird, the weird goes pro." -Hunter S. Thompson

[NeedleThreader]

WhiteLove, I couldn't agree more with you about Greer's otherworldly protection. Although he may be wrong about there not being harmful ETs out there, I know that he is at least touching a major vein of truth. It is absolutely true that when you meditate and are in a grounded loving space, the ETs can show themselves to you because they know that your reaction won't be one of fear and hate. It is mind boggling to think about this, especially the simplicity of it, but since we are so close to disclosure I believe the good 'others' up there are trying to 'turn on' as many good people as possible.

Bill, I respect you completely and don't care where you got this information about another soul inhabiting his body, yes Greer is arrogant and kind of a douche in the way he relays information BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER is, he is on to something big even if it is only partial truth. It is through his CE-5 meetings that I was able to learn how to do this meditation technique where I have seen some UNREAL and BEAUTIFUL stuff happen in the daytime! Many people are starting to pick up on and talk about this technique, whether they learned it through Greer or not.

Echoing WhiteLove there is a huge unknown force behind what Greer is on to. I have experienced this first hand.

Back to the topic...after listening to Tom's interview I agree with Bill in that what Tom thinks he believes and whatever his military friends are told is said to be true, knowing it would hit mainstream through a pop icon/rock star. This situation is pure gold to the PTB because they can fed disinformation through a celebrity.

I believe that there are many factions within the government and beyond trying to contain all that is happening right now with disclosure, tying into depopulation agenda, but the deepest part of my intuition is that the 'others' are definitely not working with any government on any level. I believe this is what the humans in power want us to believe, to add on to the pile of control and feeling of hopelessness on our side. So they therefore redirect small 'truths' back into their control of whatever topic matter you can think of. Its all control, but I hope for the best.

[Dennis Leahy]

Physics is also 'on fire' right now. Things are moving along fast. ...

...changes all basis of finance, scarcity, and resource ... regarding gold/silver/money/finance.

... Plasma is inherently----organized two dimensional forced and resonant/polarized pathways.

... in one specific thread, some people wanted to come on board and talk about transhumanism and hybrids in labs, with highly accelerated growth processes.

...
I do not remember the thread you're looking for. The thread I remember about transmutation did involve plasma - elements subjected to the plasma field transmuted into different elements. It was an "orgone" process. Gold was one of the elements mentioned, and that left a huge impression on me, as I was reading Bil Still's book where he reasons that backing money with gold is not really a stabilizing factor (what happens to the value of existing gold - backing dollars - when large new gold deposits are found, for example), and it hit me that if gold can be created by transmutation of other (lower value/cheaper) elements, then as more and more gold is made, it decreases the value of gold further and further. Rarity is a desired attribute in a capitalist commodity, as capitalism is based on scarcity.)

Oh, by the way, is this a typo? : "Plasma is inherently----organized two dimensional forced and resonant/polarized pathways."

Observed plasma is at least 3D and because a static snapshot does not describe the motion of the plasma, I'd say plasma is better described as 4D (time being the 4th dimension.)

[Carmody]

Physics is also 'on fire' right now. Things are moving along fast. ...

...changes all basis of finance, scarcity, and resource ... regarding gold/silver/money/finance.

... Plasma is inherently----organized two dimensional forced and resonant/polarized pathways.

... in one specific thread, some people wanted to come on board and talk about transhumanism and hybrids in labs, with highly accelerated growth processes.

...
I do not remember the thread you're looking for. The thread I remember about transmutation did involve plasma - elements subjected to the plasma field transmuted into different elements. It was an "orgone" process. Gold was one of the elements mentioned, and that left a huge impression on me, as I was reading Bil Still's book where he reasons that backing money with gold is not really a stabilizing factor (what happens to the value of existing gold - backing dollars - when large new gold deposits are found, for example), and it hit me that if gold can be created by transmutation of other (lower value/cheaper) elements, then as more and more gold is made, it decreases the value of gold further and further. Rarity is a desired attribute in a capitalist commodity, as capitalism is based on scarcity.)

Oh, by the way, is this a typo? : "Plasma is inherently----organized two dimensional forced and resonant/polarized pathways."

Observed plasma is at least 3D and because a static snapshot does not describe the motion of the plasma, I'd say plasma is better described as 4D (time being the 4th dimension.)

The energetic translation or motion, as it were, is inherently two dimensional. WITH... angular spin aspects in multiple aspect, in two orientations.

The two dimensional aspects are the core point....... the bidirectional spin aspects, are what begets our viewpoint of what a 3d time-space universe is. A system in near balance, with an internal and external aspect, due to our reality orientation being 'riders of the shockwave'. Our entire view is of an external nature, one of the 'outer wave' as it were, thus our unidirectional time, and the near balance of in/out or reflected connected spin fields....gives us our concept that energy is neither created or destroyed.

We exist, our common impression of existence... as the tiniest bit of asymmetricality on and in one side or one view..of this given 'balanced two dimensional wave integration system'. That's how you get to Einstein's statement that 'I could have the sign wrong', of the E=MC^2 formula, but it would make no difference. That science says you could invert all the formulas, and the result would be the same. Ultimately all based on, oh, one way to express it... quantification in/of geometry and numbering. That..if the formulas are correct, then the math fits anywhere - inverted or not.

Geometric perfection is required for numbers to function as a system of analysis. Where the numbers fail, with respect to observation and analysis, which is virtually everywhere in the given minutia, there you encounter the asymmetricality that inherently begets our reality.

those who promote the Newtonian view of the world, in order to control science down into dogma and social ruler-ship, in permanence, ie the commodification of humans into owned chattel..those folks don't want humans, in general, to uderstand that at the base level of the most rarefied aspects of where the quantum sciences meet the Newtonian....there is an INHERENT understanding of the base aysmmetricality of the reality system. In Newtonian terms, the energies and levels are microscopically small, so that thermodynamics and first, second, third, fourth law, etc, all function. with that seeming niggling microscopic residual of asymmetricality that is so small, it's not worth adding in, it is a thousand times smaller than the noise in the measurement systems, for Newtonian sciences.

In quantum systems, it becomes dominant. All chemical energy exchange systems/methods turn out to be quantum, it was recently announced, in the given scientific mainstream. Many of us have inherently known this and tried to share it. In effect, you, your body...is a giant hydrogen oriented energy exchange system (humans being described as 'bags of mostly water'). Your body is a room temperature superconducting quantum/dimensional translation device, which inherently has spooky action at a distance considerations. Scientifically, 'water is ash', or natively is a catalyst. Since the atoms float freely, in 'liquid water', all exchanges of energy are natively quantum. The only place you encounter Newtonian analysis in it's most accurate form, is with frozen, or solidus lattice arrangements of "atoms". Even then, Newtonian analysis is chock full of fudge factors for each formula's basis in creation (regarding final peak accuracy). The fudge factors being necessary to deal with the quantum aspect of reality at the core of the Newtonian analysis system.

EG, look again... at something like.. a peltier device. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoelectric_cooling)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/CFD_Free_Convection_Peltier_Cooler.gif

Add electricity to a given semi-conductor device, ie, a quantum device..and one physical orientation/side becomes 'hotter', and the other side becomes ...'colder'.

[Citizen No2]

Tom's first thread on ATS is here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113008/pg1

For a little taste, here is his first paragraph:


Why are we here? Probably because we all believe some of the same stuff. Fist, the world is a bit boring, so we collectively search the internet for fantastic, unbelievable, and insanely imaginative stories to be entertained. And most people do, actually. Except for us, we look for the ones that could be true.

So, first, "the world is a bit boring".

Well that's done it for me. I think I can see where this fiasco is headed.


Regards.

[Bill Ryan]

Tom's first thread on ATS is here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113008/pg1

For a little taste, here is his first paragraph:


Why are we here? Probably because we all believe some of the same stuff. Fist, the world is a bit boring, so we collectively search the internet for fantastic, unbelievable, and insanely imaginative stories to be entertained. And most people do, actually. Except for us, we look for the ones that could be true. So, first, "the world is a bit boring".

Well that's done it for me. I think I can see where this fiasco is headed.


Thanks — yes, that's just over an hour old. It's already generated 6 pages of replies (which I've not read yet: their tone will probably define ATS's stance on this).

His entire post (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113008/pg1#pid20592401) reads





Why are we here? Probably because we all believe some of the same stuff. Fist, the world is a bit boring, so we collectively search the internet for fantastic, unbelievable, and insanely imaginative stories to be entertained. And most people do, actually. Except for us, we look for the ones that could be true.

The UFO phenomenon became, years ago, the ONLY thing that got my mind of the incredibly competitive nature of Rock and Roll. To succeed in a large rock band, you need to obsess about music at all hours of the day: What song you need to write, what tour production may be impactful, what video would cause a stir, what album name you wont hate after 5 years, and what 50 shows will we be playing a year from now? All very mind “filling”…

The idea that all of it is meaningless, that 9-5 jobs mean #, that Earth ain’t so special… That someone is building anti-gravity craft in an underground base, with astronauts in cool uniforms, and CIA guys marching around knowing all the secrets to the Universe… well, that is a much cooler story than mine. And what if it was true? At least some of it? That is why I love it. Nothing better to make me feel insignificant than a good ol’ Secret Space Program for National Security reasons idea.

I used to believe it all…I mean ALL. Every Serpo, Dulce, Schneider, Burisch, MJ12, Redlight, Hybrid…. etc… on and on and on… Then, after a bit of time and 150 books, I didn't believe anything. I was pissed, felt duped, felt like there was no treasure hunt needed, no rabbit hole to fall into.

What a waste of time. Well, not exactly-

Now, guess what. The UFO phenomenon is TRUE. And yes, I know it is. Ive been told very important information about it, by the people who run the programs. Not every legend is true, but this one is. But be careful, there is a lot of crap out there. By design, to do what it has done to me. To prepare us for the small bit that IS true. And guess what, I didn't freak out when I was told. I didn't panic and burn down my house. I sat quietly and listened. And got excited for all the great things that could happen as the result. The ramifications are massive.

I didn't get to ask every question. I asked for answers to SPECIFIC questions. So I have answers to give. Not details. Yes, these answers do exist in various places throughout the internet and books. But until NOW, you and I could not carve fact from fiction. We had NO WAY of knowing which of the thousand stories or ideas out there were actually true. We had no way of saying, yes, Aliens are this, and they are from there…. and they are doing this… etc. Even the Phd researcher is guessing at best. He has no security clearance. But my story is pretty cool, i got directed to the source over a very careful year of trying and pleading and pitching… and being respectful. Not being a conspiracy theorist. If you are one, they look at you as an amateur that entertains himself with only the lies that exist. You are not considered mature enough to understand the gravity of the issue.

I hope to tell you answers as to who they are, why this is secret, what we are doing because of it… and a few other things.

So… lets get started.

[Mike]

With his background and knowledge, it strikes me as more than a little odd that he'd start posting at ATS??? You'd think his coterie of anonymous informants would steer him...ahem..elsewhere:)

in all seriousness, I don't really say this as some sort of Avalon homer or anything. It just seems weird. It's one of the last places i'd go if I were him.

Oh well...

Anyway, I thought it was a good first post. I don't know about the info being filtered down to him..but I feel the man is sincere.

[Bill Ryan]

With his background and knowledge, it strikes me as more than a little odd that he'd start posting at ATS??? You'd think his coterie of anonymous informants would steer him...ahem..elsewhere:)
[ ... ]
It's one of the last places i'd go if I were him.
[ ... ]
Anyway, I thought it was a good first post. I don't know about the info being filtered down to him..but I feel the man is sincere.

Taken in combo, all this kind of suggests to me that he doesn't know quite as much about the whole field as he presents that he does (to the public, and maybe also to his handlers/advisers).

His handlers/advisers can easily see that — I'm surmising — and therefore know exactly what they can present to him with him uncritically taking it all on board.

It's child's play for them to (a) profile his personality, and (b) collect and analyze his public posting (and private e-mail) history about his interests, knowledge, and beliefs. They'd be negligent not to, considering their capability.

[Citizen No2]

Yep to the above.

I have a feeling he is about to find out........ that he is about to be found out.

I wish him well in his endeavour. It's a hard crowd to please.


Regards.

[Bill Ryan]

http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113008/pg1
It's already generated 6 pages of replies (which I've not read yet: their tone will probably define ATS's stance on this).



An update: now at 14 pages of questions. Some of them (not all!) are good ones. DeLonge has answered a few, but it seems pretty unlikely he'll ever be able to get to them all.

Many of his replies are one-liners, and he's not quoting the original post or question... so without time-consuming and tricky cross-referencing, it's often hard to know what he's referring to. But it may be worth skimming this (or drilling into it!) to further understand his position.

One reply of his that says quite something (to me) is when he responds to being asked how come he's sure he's not being deceived.

His answer was — my paraphrase — that (a) the military officers he met weren't counter-intelligence specialists, and that (b) they were only responding to his questions, and not pushing anything on him. OMG.

[DNA]

I'm of the opinion that if we have a secret space program, and if in fact there is star gate technology, then this could very well eliminate the scarcity of gold as well.




and it hit me that if gold can be created by transmutation of other (lower value/cheaper) elements, then as more and more gold is made, it decreases the value of gold further and further. Rarity is a desired attribute in a capitalist commodity, as capitalism is based on scarcity.)






I do not know what Greer teaches on this subject. But I will state this, I'm absolutely of the opinion that a meditative state and a proper mood of detachment can in fact be enough for interacting with "folks" who are not of the day to day variety. I use open eye meditations learned from Castaneda's books, coupled with a fist sized quartz in each hand, and yea, things are there to be witnessed.



WhiteLove, I couldn't agree more with you about Greer's otherworldly protection. Although he may be wrong about there not being harmful ETs out there, I know that he is at least touching a major vein of truth. It is absolutely true that when you meditate and are in a grounded loving space, the ETs can show themselves to you because they know that your reaction won't be one of fear and hate. It is mind boggling to think about this, especially the simplicity of it, but since we are so close to disclosure I believe the good 'others' up there are trying to 'turn on' as many good people as possible.



Everyone is weighed down by one of the deadly sins, and yes arrogance is one of them. That famous Jesus quote "do not concern yourself with a splinter in your brothers eye while you have a plank in your own" is pretty much stating that, although you may see one of the seven in someone else, you absolutely have one of those in you as well.


But I'm not sure what Jesus would say about, "do not concern yourself with the reptilian in your brothers eye when there is a mighty triceratops in your own".
I hope that is not the case, but it has been my experience that there is a reason why we all have one of the seven deadly sins within our ego.


If Greer is possessed, by a entity controlling him, is this the result of somekind of Illuminati ritual? Has he been MKULTRA'd? Is he the result of a MILAB type scenario? Because I just don't believe folks are walking along one day minding their own business and "BAM" they are suddenly the occupied residence of a reptilian.
Is someone stating that he invited this creature inside of him, kind of like the old litany about a Vampire, "a vampire cannot enter your home unless invited"?




Bill, I respect you completely and don't care where you got this information about another soul inhabiting his body, yes Greer is arrogant and kind of a douche in the way he relays information BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER is, he is on to something big even if it is only partial truth. It is through his CE-5 meetings that I was able to learn how to do this meditation technique where I have seen some UNREAL and BEAUTIFUL stuff happen in the daytime! Many people are starting to pick up on and talk about this technique, whether they learned it through Greer or not.


You have touched on something here NeedleThreader
Why would TPTB be concerned with disclosure knowing full well there is a depopulation agenda in place.
Unless of course they are looking to get a story out that will back up their depopulation agenda alah project bluebeam.


Think about it.
The story Tom is telling is about "god aliens" fighting in space over our very heads and the heroic military who is attempting to keep us safe.
Even the Russians have heroes, because they are not the enemy, not the real enemy, the "alien" "gods" are who have already attempted to cause nuclear war between us and Russia via a nuclear missile site as told in Tom's story.


This all points to validating the "project blue beam" scenario of aliens attacking earth and the earth having to unite under a one world government in order to fight them along with a one world currency and will result in a paradigm shift in religion to a one world religion.


It will be difficult not to believe this with armed satellites blowing **** up from space while the most believable holograms are buzzing our roof tops.




I believe that there are many factions within the government and beyond trying to contain all that is happening right now with disclosure, tying into depopulation agenda, but the deepest part of my intuition is that the 'others' are definitely not working with any government on any level. I believe this is what the humans in power want us to believe, to add on to the pile of control and feeling of hopelessness on our side. So they therefore redirect small 'truths' back into their control of whatever topic matter you can think of. Its all control, but I hope for the best.

[onawah]

OMG indeed! :facepalm: I will second that!




His answer was — my paraphrase — that (a) the military officers he met weren't counter-intelligence specialists, and that (b) they were only responding to his questions, and not pushing anything on him. OMG.

[DNA]

Many of his replies are one-liners, and he's not quoting the original post or question... so without time-consuming and tricky cross-referencing, it's often hard to know what he's referring to.

If you click the highlighted name next to Tom's reply a bubble blurp opens up showing the text Tom is responding to.
It is a tad confusing because you can't right click and open in another tab, and yet when you left click it, it doesn't take you away from the screen. I just joined so as to participate in the thread, and this option may not be available if you do not actually join. The entire format of the page changes when you join as opposed to view as a non-member.


Some pretty interesting stuff. I just read the sixteen pages that are available.
Tom states that these "beings" are the same folks we used to refer to as "gods" and that they are indeed interested in something only mankind has to offer, and it seems that this is our souls.
Many folks here figured something very similar.

I mentioned earlier that something like this done on a massive enough scale could affect mankind so much as to devalidate former religions and cause a new religion to be incorporated into the world as our new one world religion.
From what I just shared concerning souls, maybe we are looking at "Scientology" as the new one world religion. :)
Come one that had to get a smile out of Bill. Maybe even a chuckle. :)

Tom also states that Phillip Corso's book was pretty much right on the money.

From what I'm getting, Tom seems to support the Nazis going to Antartica thing. Atleast this is what I'm getting from someone posting a question who claims to have read his book.

It is pretty interesting stuff.

[onawah]

But why should we be expecting psychopaths to do anything sensible?



Why would TPTB be concerned with disclosure knowing full well there is a depopulation agenda in place.

Unless of course they are looking to get a story out that will back up their depopulation agenda alah project bluebeam. This all points to validating the "project blue beam" scenario of aliens attacking earth and the earth having to unite under a one world government in order to fight them along with a one world currency and will result in a paradigm shift in religion to a one world religion.

[Shannon]

But why should we be expecting psychopaths to do anything sensible?



Why would TPTB be concerned with disclosure knowing full well there is a depopulation agenda in place.

Unless of course they are looking to get a story out that will back up their depopulation agenda alah project bluebeam. This all points to validating the "project blue beam" scenario of aliens attacking earth and the earth having to unite under a one world government in order to fight them along with a one world currency and will result in a paradigm shift in religion to a one world religion.


Exactly!

Okay, quick question ...

It all does seem to point to project bluebeam type moves...but now wouldn't the ptb have come up with something else besides bluebeam? I mean there's been books written about the project and others projects similar to it...surly these brilliant mad men have come up with something else that hasn't been brought into the publics awareness?

My biggest fear isn't death, it's not knowing if I'll ever see the end of this crazy reality show called "earth"!
The suspense is killing me!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5kW74Er_4o
Sorry, end o'rant, back to topic :)

[Bill Ryan]

surely these brilliant mad men have come up with something else that hasn't been brought into the public's awareness?
They may not believe that a few thousand oddballs who think the Earth is flat, and the sun is invisible, and that we're all going to be saved (or ascended) any day now by magical angelic forces, are much of a threat to them. :)

If "Independence Day" ships started to appear (or something that looked like them), there's not much you or I could do to reassure people that it was all just theater. It's a numbers game, and the intelligent, articulate, focused, well-informed alternative media is a tiny, tiny minority.

It may not be a Bluebeam type of thing... though yes, that has to be on the fairly long menu of possibilities.




My biggest fear isn't death, it's not knowing if I'll ever see the end of this crazy reality show called "earth"!
The suspense is killing me!

Yes, it's like '24' on steroids (24 years, maybe). Where's Jack Bauer when you need him? :)

[CurEus]

Thanks for posting the Tom Delonge interviews Bill.

I did not feel that there was anything groundbreaking to be learned although I was left with an impression that more is to come.

I tend to believe there are many different factions often working at cross purposes so perhaps one group is trying to get ahead of other more negative ones who can only operate in secret/darkness? Throwing a little light on the subject may be a bold and intelligent move in that chess game. It may not do much, could open a can of worms and roaches will be running back into the darkness?

For those actors or agencies to choose Delonge over credible and highly intelligent people such as Bill, Kerry, Linda Moulton Howe, Joseph Pharell, Richard Dolan and a host of others many of whom have with strong analytical, science, research and journalism skills is disappointing. Perhaps they are just too strong in some areas and offer less control over the message? He asserted continually how "respectful" he is to his "advisors". Perhaps that is important somehow?

It seems odd that group(s) many that have been attributed with collaborating with "others" against humanity in so many vile ways to suddenly choose to be open and forthcoming and free with information. Is this a particular white hat group breaking ranks? It is much too early to discern that with any certainty.

So aliens/others at cross purposes, countries, nations, agencies, departments corporations and secret societies all at cross purposes. Nothing terribly new or inspiring here but I hope his work provides some value to people.

Time will tell but I tend to think this is just not going to lead to much. Delonge said he has 3 books to be published and a miniseries/documentary.

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, over at ATS, the Tom DeLonge AMA ('Ask Me Anything') has apparently fizzled out. This may be a good summary of the view of many there, on page 35 now: (edited down a little by me)

http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113008/pg35#pid20599166



Tom joined ATS and the AMA was set up specifically because he allegedly has extraordinary knowledge and NOT because he is a celebrity. If that were the case then I would happily gush about his discography of work. Now instead of a thread with potential life altering facts we get monosyllabic replies or are told to Google stuff. The same stuff that probably brought some of us to ATS in the first place.

From this thread I know more about Tom's book, upcoming docuseries and a probable crowd fund campaign in the future to finance a major motion picture than I do about what he has supposed knowledge of. You pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about it.

Did anyone, I mean those with some time in here at ATS and who've done research on their own, really gain any new information related to UFOs/aliens?

Like you said, we learned about his book, his upcoming doc, possible major motion picture and I even learned about some of his albums due to the posts by new members who only registered because of his celeb music status.

Was I let down? Yeah, I was.

[Mike]

Well, he left his relatively popular band, Blink-182 last year...

Seems to me he's trying to drum up some pub for his newer and relatively anonymous band...um...er...I forget the name;)

Sound familiar?

I think he has a genuine interest in ufo's and conspiracy etc, but he's clearly exploiting it with this narrative about anonymous informants and all the rest...which I'm not sure I even believe. People have told wilder tales to get a little attention........earth bound giants anyone?:wink:

[CurEus]

Seems like there is the "off chance" of him inspiring an inquiring mind to dig deeper that only was following his celebrity...a small awakening is still a good beginning.

[BMJ]

I spent the two and half hours listening to this and I agree with Tom Delonge that their is evil that completely hates everything good about humanity and is absolutely hell bent on destroying humanity as it is. Possibily the jinn or the jinn are involved. (I have seen a jinn several times they are 3 foot tall, 1 foot wide levitate of the floor about 3 feet, and look like a cloud of black smoke very similiar to smoke from burning tyres in consistence).

"My gut feeling" is I don't believe this information and he is a good person that is being used, but I'll reserve my opinion for the moment. At the moment it seems like another rebranding of the one world government pitch.

[Bill Ryan]

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Of interest, maybe, here's how an ATS poster reviewed (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113356/pg2#pid20602164) the book (which they've read: I haven't):





The fact is this book brings absolutely nothing new to the table. It's 100% rehash with zero insight.

The book itself is filled with UFO memes anyone who has studied the field will recognize. All your favorites are here. Lazar’s “Sport Model” UFO: Check. Nazis in caves: Check. Nazis in South America: Check. Nazis in Antarctica: Check. Cigar-shaped UFOs: Check, The TR3B: It’s there. Triangles? You bet. Belgium Triangles: There, too. Operation Paperclip, Men in Black, Malmstrom AFB Oscar Flight, and Area 51. How could they not be? Reverse engineering, untearable aluminum foil, Roswell, and the Little A’Le Inn are there along with a huge, unexplained, rather odd TPTB money laundering scheme that leads to mysterious deaths of anyone who catches wind of it or anything close.

It’s obvious and stated that the purpose of the book is bring together facts as fiction. It’s as if someone made a list of all the most famous sightings in the last fifty years and tried to incorporate them all into a single book. But to anyone paying attention here, there isn’t anything actually new here. We’ve heard this all before.

The writing itself (which was not done by DeLonge) is competent, but a bit naïve, kind of like Tom Swift Jr. and his Ultrasonic Cycloplane. It won’t win any Nobels, nor Hugo or Nebula either, and it doesn’t hold your interest like a DaVinci Code or The Martian. I would place it just below a Sue Grafton mystery novel. It’s good for a read when you don’t want to work too hard. The characters are pretty wooden, though they do get angry once in awhile. The terrain descriptions are just filler. You’ll get through it in two hours max.

It has some very odd lapses of judgment. For example, one of the protagonists enlists in the US Navy just after the war as a seaman, but resigns his commission a few months later because he wants to track down the killer of his brother who has just been recruited into Paperclip. I hope I don’t have to explain what is wrong with that.

In another convoluted set of scenes one Bad Guy, Dubchek, kills a Good Guy, Morat, who is a CIA operative imprisoned in Afghanistan, and takes his place. He’s rescued by Americans, including a Marine Harrier pilot named Alan who is stymied in his defense of the rescuers by a UFO that zaps his weapons systems, so he is forced to resign in disgrace. Afterwards both Dubchek(Morat) and Alan travel to Area 51 and learn to fly UFOs. But wait! There’s more! In the midst of this Dubchek shows up in London on the Board of a multi-national money laundering corporation as a man named Letrange who takes a liking to the SJW daughter of the recently-suicided CEO, Jennifer, and reveals himself to her as an Interpol agent who has infiltrated the Board. He agrees to take her to safety in an old warehouse near Heathrow, where he tries to kill her. But she escapes to America, travels to Area 51, where she happens upon him as Morat having a beer at the Little A’Le Inn with Alan.

Whew! You still with me? I had to go back and double-check that one, but yes, Dubchek was in two places at once.

To the plot: There are several intertwined narratives, little novellas, really, that eventually weave together at the conclusion. The basic idea is first, that the Nazis were developing secret UFO technology, including anti-gravity propulsion, close to the end of World War Two. As the Allies closed in they tried to get their technology and people to Argentina and Antarctica, where they had established a secret base. There is no hint in the book that they did so off of alien technology. And no real hint that they survived since the Americans, under Admiral Byrd, shot down their only surviving craft and took everyone prisoner, some of whom wound up in Paperclip.

At the same time, aliens were crashing in places like Roswell. Both the Russians and the Americans got hold of this alien technology AND the Nazi technology and back engineered a number of UFO-type ships. These are the elusive TR3B’s. They also captured whole ships, like the Sports Model, that run on thoughts alone.

The result of all this is a couple of rag-tag UFO fleets who pick on each other, both in the atmosphere and in space. In the conclusion the Russians try to attack Area 51, but the ex-Marine Harrier pilot flying the Sports Model manages to take out the whole fleet, except Dubchek, who escapes in one of the American craft. There are various sub-plots going on here, some of which gave a really difficult time staying relevant to the narrative as a whole. The book ends with Alan having seen an alien in a very special ship, and threatens us with a dozen more books just like it.

When you listen to this pitch it has a very similar ring to what we’ve heard for decades about UFO Disclosure. The basic idea is this: There are a group of well-connected people who know what is really going on and have decided it’s time to circumvent all the secrecy and inform the public. They’re waiting for “the right time” to disclose. We heard this as far back as the fifties. Today we hear it from people like Steven Greer, who always reluctantly says he “wishes he could tell us, but just can’t” as he alludes to his secret knowledge from top officials “in the know.”

Tom is doing the same thing as he plugs himself right in the middle of this meme by saying the powers that be have chosen HIM to be the channel for disclosure, the first step of which is this book that, though it is written as fiction, is based on true events. All this is laid out in his preface which you, too, can read in e-book format for a mere $9.99 from Amazon, delivered directly to your android phone or Kindle.


And a follow-up post (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1113356/pg2#pid20602588) from the same reviewer:






I'm saying [the book] adds absolutely nothing to the field and is repetitive, full of cliches, and, for me, not particularly believable. Plus, technically speaking, it's not a very good book. I am NOT (repeat: NOT) going to pay money to listen to C2C. It's ephemeral. They want $6.95 a month for that drivel? Puhlease!

It's obvious from what DeLonge himself has said, in the (really sad) AMA ['Ask Me Anything'] as well as the preface to his book, that he believes what he has to say is revolutionary and sensational. But it isn't. It's the same old same old--repeated by a number of authors and "insiders" who have expressed exactly the same sentiment since the fifties. It's not new; it's not different.

So where does that leave us? I can think of several possibilities.

1. He actually believes he's on to something new and different, and despite his claim of UFO interest over the last decade or so, he really is naive in terms of what has happened and does not realize this is the same old stuff. After all, this is a sideline for him. He's got other stuff going, including a business empire that sells T-shirts. How familiar is he with the UFO phenomenon, really? How many books has he read on the subject? How many have you?

2. He's being played. People are playing along with his "pitches" and leading him down a rabbit hole for their own reasons, which are not "moving the ball down the field" as he claims. I'm reminded of the Bill Moore/Paul Bennewitz affair, for example. Hopefully, you know and understand what I'm talking about here.

3. He thinks he's the next Steven Spielberg, and this "franchise" is his ticket to even greater fame and fortune. I mean, the guy started out as a skateboard champion. He's done well, but maybe, in his eyes, the stars are the limit.

And, I really don't care if DeLonge is planning on making money off this deal. That's OK with me, but that doesn't mean it's not a motivation. So from my standpoint, you have a not-very-good-book (From a literary standpoint, trust me, it's laughable) purporting to be the anchor volume ("Sekret" Really????) for a wide-ranging multi-media "franchise" that's going to change the world.

And THAT is delusional.


* Note from me (Bill): I'm not trying to trash the book. I've not read it. If the informed reviews out there were positive, I'd be quoting those. But from what I picked up myself from the Coast To Coast interview, the above also summarizes my own view (at the moment, subject to change).

[Shannon]

1. He actually believes he's on to something new and different, and despite his claim of UFO interest over the last decade or so, he really is naive in terms of what has happened and does not realize this is the same old stuff. After all, this is a sideline for him. He's got other stuff going, including a business empire that sells T-shirts. How familiar is he with the UFO phenomenon, really? How many books has he read on the subject? How many have you?

2. He's being played. People are playing along with his "pitches" and leading him down a rabbit hole for their own reasons, which are not "moving the ball down the field" as he claims. I'm reminded of the Bill Moore/Paul Bennewitz affair, for example. Hopefully, you know and understand what I'm talking about here.

3. He thinks he's the next Steven Spielberg, and this "franchise" is his ticket to even greater fame and fortune. I mean, the guy started out as a skateboard champion. He's done well, but maybe, in his eyes, the stars are the limit.

And, I really don't care if DeLonge is planning on making money off this deal. That's OK with me, but that doesn't mean it's not a motivation. So from my standpoint, you have a not-very-good-book (From a literary standpoint, trust me, it's laughable) purporting to be the anchor volume ("Sekret" Really????) for a wide-ranging multi-media "franchise" that's going to change the world.

And THAT is delusional.


I listened to this interview twice and have not read the book. I get the feeling Tommy boy could learn more about this subject as well. Especially if you're going to be putting so much information out about it. Books, shows, movies etc...

And I also feel he's being used. The whole thing about decorated generals meeting with him. Oy Vey...
Costume change? Lol
Bennewitz/ doty / LMH came to mind as well. Hope this guy is stable enough to go on the ride they have planned for him if that's the case! Yikes!

[muxfolder]

So, nothing new, this is another attempt to discredit alternative community and he's only trying to make money. I did listen that C2C interview and actually fell asleep in the middle.

[Spellbound]

Hello Mr. Ryan. Regarding this paragraph in your last post:

"Re Greer, I knew about the criminality and psychopathy (he’s not really human himself, and that’s not a joke); I think more and more people do know about that, now."

Are you stating that Dr. Greer is not human? If so, how do you know that, and, what is he if not human? Thanks.

I've long thought Steven Greer looks Reptilian. He has the face of a human lizard.

Dave - Toronto

[giovonni]

will share this here ...


From Earthfiles ...

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13310430_1616415175352734_4598626819853200339_n.jpg?oh=f83e4523a8e2b75677e3bb85c70335ae&oe=57C858FB

UAPs and Alien “Gods”

Read & Listen Here (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2429&category=Environment)

[Bill Ryan]

will share this here ...


From Earthfiles ...

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13310430_1616415175352734_4598626819853200339_n.jpg?oh=f83e4523a8e2b75677e3bb85c70335ae&oe=57C858FB

UAPs and Alien “Gods”

Read & Listen Here (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2429&category=Environment)

:bump:

Bumping this (Gio's post was copied from the Antarctica thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90526-Alleged-E.T.-and-Human-Collaboration-Base-in-Antarctica&p=1071869&viewfull=1#post1071869)).

Linda's report is here:

http://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_Earthfiles_report_Tom_Delonge_May_2016.pdf

And her 10 minute interview with Tom DeLonge (a good one) is here:


http://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_with_Tom_DeLonge_26_May_2016.mp3

[sommervr]

As someone who has spent considerable time studying and living within intel circles as well as the ET - disclosure arena - I can testify that there is no cohesive leadership and this may be why there is so much dripping going on. They are confused. There are so many different factions with different agendas. And there is definitely scrambling going on as the entire facade is cracking. I would suggest everyone in America read "The Devil's Chessboard" and then add hyper dimensional extraterrestrial overlords to that and the struggle for humans to activate their free will to consciousness and you would start to get a grounding in what we are dealing with.

Thanks for the book recommendation. I just read it and it explains a lot. I would like to know more about the handlers of these human sharks like Allen Dulles, how they are identified, how they are put into power or whether it is a design feature that our systems funnel these people to the top. Do you have any further recommendations ?

[edina]

The four hours of the show (27 March 2016, minus commercials) are archived here for anyone to download:
•http://we.tl/RXV9loWZw4 (55.9 Mb)


Oh yeah I not sure how I missed that other than I'm very tired....LOL

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Quote Posted by Ewan (here)

as I read that quoted line it sounded like implanting a meme in the younger
generation.

Yes. The meme, clearly stated by DeLonge himself, is that [my
paraphrase, but actually maybe pretty close] the military-intel insiders are heroes
who have had a bad rap and need all the support they can get. DeLonge himself used the word 'heroes' several times.


I've listened to the first hour and have to go to bed ,apart from what you
commented on I was not impressed with Hillary's disclosure caveat about
UFO disclosure , unless its a national security issue. That means no disclosure
and makes you wonder their motives. They were in the White house for 8
years, also another 8 years in this administration and has thousands of leaked
e-mails on various subjects supporting the corporate aganda's in the Middle East
and elsewhere.Hillary had her UFO book and maywell be interested in the subject.
Its not up to the President who ever he or she is , so unless TPTB ok disclosure
there won't be any I don't think , Which George and Tom know.




http://41.media.tumblr.com/765e0659707d1107b2801f4f862e3e75/tumblr_o0gf69eyFb1toj73to1_1280.jpg

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The second hour starts off with the clandestine meetings with
more questions than answers and is intriguing and he sounds
genuine and it could well of happened ? George says the good
stuff is coming up after the break aprox 118 mins in....

I'm wondering, has anyone been able to discern what book Hillary is carrying in this image?

Also, where is the original of this photo? Anyone know, or have a source link?

Thanks. :)


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Note added: Looks like I got myself somewhere in the ball park, linking here for anyone else who may be interested:

http://observer.com/2016/01/extraterrestrial-lobbyist-explains-hillary-clintons-controversial-ufo-statements/

Hillary Clinton with Laurance Rockefeller at the JY Ranch, Jackson Hole, Wyo., August 21, 1995. Clinton is carrying the book Are We Alone: Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life by Paul Davies (https://www.amazon.com/Are-Alone-Philosophical-Implications-Extraterrestrial/dp/0465004199). (Photo: National Archives)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-aliens.html?_r=0

Mrs. Clinton with Laurance S. Rockefeller in Jackson Hole, Wyo., in 1995. Tucked under her arm is a copy of “Are We Alone?: Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life,” by Paul Davies (https://www.amazon.com/Are-Alone-Philosophical-Implications-Extraterrestrial/dp/0465004199). Credit Clinton Presidential Library

http://www.openminds.tv/hillary-clintons-et-book-discovered/1735

[Star Tsar]

Fade To Black

Episode 515 | Tom DeLonge - Sekret Machines

Aired 30th August | Published 31th August 2016

Tom Delonge left the band Blink 182 to go chase who is behind the UFO cover up and what is really going on with the phenomenon. He is in persuit of the truth.

In this interview we find out what he has found out, Who he is talking to, How he gets his information and Why he is doing it.

Interview starts @ 7:30

Program notes here:http://jimmychurchradio.com/

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[Bill Ryan]

.
Tom DeLonge talking to Jimmy Church yesterday (30 August 2016), published on YouTube today. On this (edited, no commercials) audio, the first quarter hour is about his music, and he starts talking about his interactions with the intel community on UFOs and ETs after about 17-18 mins.

My opinion is unchanged that DeLonge is earnest, slightly immature, egotistical, somewhat naive, and arguably rather too credulous (i.e. uncritical) of the agendas of his contacts, who he still champions as heroes.

In summary: he talks about religion, consciousness, life in the universe, psychic abilities, disclosure, what God really is, nuclear bombs and nuclear testing (as a weapon against the ETs: Starfish Prime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime) was used to bring something down), secret co-operation with Russia during the Cold War, Roswell, what an inspirational world leader the US is -- and, often -- how much he can't talk about.

(And, interestingly, that he'll soon be publishing Bob Lazar's autobiography. :thumbsup: )

He also stated verbatim, reading from a written communication, that the ETs are known not as extraterrestrials, but cryptoterrestrials. (Interesting. Don't miss that tiny bit, at 1:36:45.) And at 2:03:30, he states that one specific (unfriendly) race are known colloquially as the bugs.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW_o9av9T-o

[DNA]

(And, interestingly, that he'll soon be publishing Bob Lazar's autobiography. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0701%20Yes.gif )


Was this part for real or a joke? Because it is funny. Being as he sounds as if he has been hanging out and talking with John Lear. Especially the part about how the cold war was a front so that the two nations could keep everyone preoccupied while they worried about UFO's and the like.
So when I read the part about Bob Lazar I laughed my ass off thinking this was a statement by yourself also stating that Delonge is sounding a lot like John Lear.





Clarification from Bill: It was for real.

[kreuger]

who do u think the 'bugs' are to which he is referring? mantoids? ai-nanobots? something else?

[Adam Greenland]

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3099

Wikileaks putting out two emails from DeLonge in the Podesta leaks.

MSM are picking up on this today. Cryptic/safe exchange but mentions of Roswell and a General McCasland.

There could be more to come.

[kirolak]

Apparently Tom Delong has "disappeared" from "social media" for the last 4 days. . .any truth or significance, I wonder? Just read this in my browsing around today, sorry no links, probably all just for the effect :( PS I didn't get a "negative vibe" from his interview with Jimmy Church, fwiw.

[mojo]

The critique from the ATS poster (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1061249&viewfull=1#post1061249) was helpful, also to anyone that was thinking of writing a book, those points would be helpful to know. Personally have thought of writing so learned what not to do from the bullet points in post 63 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1061249&viewfull=1#post1061249). Don't really know much of Tom and his book but reading the other posts helped to understand why some people would prefer to keep their account private. It seems once public your life also becomes an open book...

[Bill Ryan]

.
The Sekret Machines documentary trailer:
(as best I know, this hasn't yet been released)

http://sendvid.com/jdpjc5hb (https://sendvid.com/jdpjc5hb)

The video can be downloaded here:


https://2.sendvid.com/jdpjc5hb.mp4 (http://2.sendvid.com/jdpjc5hb.mp4)

[DNA]

I don't often listen to Coast to Coast AM anymore, but I make an effort for the George Knapp show on Sunday nights. Last night's was a doozy people and although the title of this thread will be the main point I will try to adhere to, the entire show is really worth listening to.


George was interviewing Alejandro Rojas of Open Minds Forum. Their discussion found it's way towards Tom Delonge and how he was mentioned in John Pedesta's e-mails. The story goes that a certain e-mail of Podesta's mentions a meeting between Tom Delonge a Vice President of Lockheed Martin Skunkworks, a retired commander of Air Force Space Command and a guy from Wright Patterson Research Labs.
This is some amazing confirmation.
This conversation begins at 1:32


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK49U_BjmE4
DK49U_BjmE4


Alejandro Rojas has an article on his forum about this here.
http://www.openminds.tv/is-a-u-s-air-force-general-from-wright-patterson-helping-tom-delonge-obtain-official-ufo-disclosure/39130




Is a U.S. Air Force general from Wright-Patterson helping Tom DeLonge obtain official UFO disclosure?

Posted by: Alejandro Rojas (http://www.openminds.tv/author/alejandro) November 22, 2016 7 Comments (http://www.openminds.tv/is-a-u-s-air-force-general-from-wright-patterson-helping-tom-delonge-obtain-official-ufo-disclosure/39130#comments)

Now that the election is over, so is the leak of emails from Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, John Podesta, by WikiLeaks. Many of his emails discussed UFOs, a topic Podesta has shown interest in, and one of the most intriguing, and revealing, strings of UFO emails was regarding a Google Hangouts meeting Podesta set up with rockstar Tom DeLonge, two USAF generals, and a VP from Lockheed Skunk Works – the guys in charge of Area 51.


POST UPDATE---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sorry about the video being no longer available, Coast to Coast is pretty quick to get Youtube to remove some shows from time to time. I'll keep checking periodically to see if someone posts it again.

[SpookyMulder]

The question is, can you validate Wikileaks?

[Did You See Them]

Off topic sort of, but Is this the same Open Minds Forum that was closed down in 2012 ? same people or a whole different entity ?

[kirolak]

I think there was a new group that was formed by a lot of the previous members, but there is also a link to the old site & some archived material

[vanEyck]

If I'm not wrong, Dr. Edgar Mitchell (sixth person to step on the surface of the Moon) was also present in an e-mail discussion about intelligent EBEs visiting Earth and how disclosure would be beneficial.

If we can trust Wikileaks, I think this is possibly the biggest step towards disclosure in History.

[Bill Ryan]

Is this the same Open Minds Forum that was closed down in 2012? Same people or a whole different entity?

The Open Minds Forum was closed back in late 2011-early 2012. There was quite some drama, and I don't know the details at first hand, but the mods and admins were all good guys whom I knew back in Camelot days. And yes (@ kirolak), I believe they re-opened under a new name.

Open Minds TV is an entirely different and independent organization.

:focus:

[DNA]

The question is, can you validate Wikileaks?

What kind of question is that?
That's kind of lazy really. Was that really the best you could do? Why even post if you are going to post something as lame as that.
It's up to you to do your homework and answer that question for yourself.


Here are some questions I was hoping to hear.


Why should we believe this if John Podesta the pizza-gate pedophile is involved?


And what does it mean that Tom Delonge states often that there are Gods, alien Gods involved in all of this, and what does it mean that John Podesta seems to be a satanic pedophile who probably not only practices dark magic but is involved in the sacrifice of human children as well?
What does that mean?
It's absolutely terrifying I can tell you that much.
The one thing Tom Telonge kept referring to that I couldn't wrap my head around was his calling the alien presence Gods.
WTF?
What does he mean by that?
Is he stating that these are the beings of whom we once referred to as Gods, such as the Annunaki?
Or does he mean beings that are basically Gods in so far as we are concerned, and these beings demand to be treated as such?
Or is it both?
And when you look at what the elite are doing at Bohemian Grove, and spirit cooking, and John Podesta stating he will sacrifice a "chicken" in his backyard to Moloch for Hillary Clinton in an e-mail to Hillary Clinton, and what exactly is chicken code for?
These are kind of scary connections, and I'm starting to think we need to take Tom Delonge more seriously, and suddenly his new book is now a must read as far as I'm concerned.

[Bob]

:bump2:

Bumping this for the newer members who may not have seen this thread.. Good read :)

[Bob]

One asks about why Podesta -

Podesta group - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group (dots anyone?)

Note the PLAYERS listed below, and then go to Turiya's post HERE and review that (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1121973&viewfull=1#post1121973).. Connect the dots then.

The Podesta Group is a lobbying and public affairs firm based in Washington, D.C.. It was founded in 1988 by brothers John Podesta and Tony Podesta and has previously been known as Podesta Associates, podesta.com and PodestaMattoon.[1][2][3] The firm most recently reorganized in January 2007 after current Chairman Tony Podesta split with former business partner Dan Mattoon.[3]

Podesta Group represents U.S. corporations, as well as non-profits, associations and governments.[4] It "has close ties to the Democratic Party and the Obama administration"[5] although its CEO, Kimberley Fritts, is identified by the group as "a fixture in Republican politics," having worked for former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.[6]

The firm reported earning $27.4 million in lobbying fees in 2011.[7] In 2007, Chairman Tony Podesta was ranked by his peers as the third most influential lobbyist in Washington.[8]

Lobbying and public affairs activities

The Podesta Group has been retained by Wal-Mart, BP and Lockheed Martin."[5]

Other clients include Abdisalam Omer, the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity, Amgen, Bank Of America, Cherokee Nation (Casinos), Cintas, Covidien, Duke Energy, Egypt, Genentech, General Dynamics, Harrah's Entertainment, Heineken, Merck, Michelin, National Association of Broadcasters (NAB), National Public Radio (NPR), Nestle, Novartis, Orange County, Florida, Raytheon, Reed Elsevier, Republic of Albania, Republic of Georgia, Sallie Mae, Sunoco, Synthetic Genomics, TJX Companies, Tyco Electronics, Republic of Kenya and United Technologies.[9][10][11]

In addition, the Podesta Group acts as a lobbyist for Egypt on U.S. policies of concern, activities in Congress and the Executive branch, and developments on the U.S. political scene generally,' according to forms filed with the Justice Department in 2009."[5][12]

They also received revenue of $900,000 over the last two years from the "European Centre for a Modern Ukraine, a Brussels-based organization sympathetic to Viktor Yanukovych and his political party".[13]

They also represent the interests of Russia's largest financial institution Sberbank of Russia, which controls approximately 30 percent of Russian banking assets.[14]

The Podesta Group also carries out public relations work for the government of Azerbaijan for a monthly fee of USD 60,000 plus expenses.[15]

One can find the REFERENCES listed at the bottom of the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podesta_Group

[Did You See Them]

Is this the same Open Minds Forum that was closed down in 2012? Same people or a whole different entity?

The Open Minds Forum was closed back in late 2011-early 2012. There was quite some drama, and I don't know the details at first hand, but the mods and admins were all good guys whom I knew back in Camelot days. And yes (@ kirolak), I believe they re-opened under a new name.

Open Minds TV is an entirely different and independent organization.

:focus:

Thanks Bill - I think the whole "Source A" and "Reality Uncovered" / Thielman episode had a lot to do with it.
I always thought it was quiet the coincidence that the Pickerings bros turned up with their source A info right on time to steal the limelight on the Stephenville sighting and to move the directions of conversation on to something "bigger". I had my own huge sighting in UK 4 days after Stephenville ( thats how I ended up on OM after talking with Agelia Joyner ) and was (still am ) convinced they were connected.
I heard recently that the Pickerings are to release some kind of statement in regards to all that in 2017 ( The year they said that their "Hot Rock" guys would be showing up - Have you heard words to that effect ?

[Adam Greenland]

Outside of a few more Wikileaks emails, haven't heard much about this project since the end of last year.

Tom is releasing a "non-fiction" version of the Sekret Machines book next month, with Peter Levenda.

In the wake of a complicated public split from a famous pop-punk group, many musicians might make their first step into book publishing a tell-all autobiography. Not for former Blink-182 member Tom DeLonge, whose book about UFOs will be out on 7 March.

DeLonge co-wrote the non-fiction book, Sekret Machines: Gods, with the occult expert Peter Levenda. It is based on interviews with intelligence officers, scientists, engineers and military officials. According to a press release, it will be “an eye-opening investigative journey to the heart of the UFO phenomenon”, as well as transcending “the speculation of journalists, historians and others whose conclusions are often either misinformed or only tease around the edges”.

“Sekret Machines: Gods is the opening salvo on the complacency of human institutions where the UFO Phenomenon is concerned,” says Levenda. “It’s designed to shake people up, to make them question their assumptions.”

DeLonge said Levenda’s expertise aided the project: “It was his ability to frame an esoteric thesis that gave me the ammunition to speak clearly on the subject matter, and that got me in the door.”

According to Rolling Stone, DeLonge has been interviewing aerospace industry officials, the US Department of Defense and Nasa. “It’s very hard to think, ‘How did this guy in a band get access like that?’” he said. “It sounds crazy. But it’s because I can speak to a very specific audience. I earned their trust. I knew my material.”


https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/feb/08/blink-182-tom-delonge-to-publish-book-about-ufos-sekret-machines-gods

[Star Tsar]

Open Minds Newsflash

http://openminds.tv/images/logo.jpg

UFO Researcher Of The Year : Tom DeLonge

Published 22nd February 2017

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[Adam Greenland]

"Whatever happens in the civilian world, it's game on."

Not sure how to interpret that, though it might tie in with the announcement "within 60 days".

DeLonge, Levenda are on Coast tonight.

[DNA]

I just listened to Coast to Coastam 2/26/17 and listened to the interview George Knapp had with Tom Delonge and Peter Levenda.
They rehashed the whole idea that ancient religions were probably the result of humans worshiping visiting aliens via the Cargo Cult idea, but this is something that was first brought about by Eric Von Donniken and later expanded more on by Zacharia Sitchen.
They brought up Sumer and I felt like they should have been giving Sitchen some props but they did not and they continued as if we haven't all watched "Ancient Aliens" on the history channel.
They then segwayed into the idea that most modern religions were "control" mechanisms put in place by "alien" or "ultraterrestrial" caretakers who were residing over us.
For me I was like, "yea, well Billy Meier told us this in the 1970's" but I suppose there are some folks who might find this illuminating.


Delonge stated that he could understand why there has been no disclosure because there are no reassuring tales to tell.
He stated that it appears there are aliens that are at odds with one another, and with us.
He stated case in point, he had asked one of the higher ups making information available to him if there are alien controllers influencing and affecting what is going on in government and such, and could a man such as himself be compromised, Delonge stated referring to his contact, to which his contact simply replied "yes".


When listening to Delonge talk about aliens at war in space I was reminded of something said by Robert Morning Sky. Robert stated that his grandfather had watched a UFO crash on a Native American reservation and that they had gotten to the crash before the Government and that they had rescued a star visitor and kept him hidden while nursing him back to health.
The Star Visitor had told Morning Sky's grandfather that there was a war going on above our heads right this very second and that this war had been going on between fighting factions in space for a long time.


Delonge made the statement that he could understand why JFK was killed if he was going to prematurely start an alien disclosure before the world was ready to hear about it and before there was really any defense mobilized against them.
Delonge also stated that various countries of the world knew about the alien threat, and that this one realization was what kept the cold war with Russia from becoming a hot war. I couldn't help but think about John Lear who had echoed these very same sentiments.


While listening to Tom Delonge I couldn't help but to think about the recent interviews with William Tompkins.
William Tompkins gives way more information, but Delonge without knowing so seemed to be validating quite a bit of what Tompkins was saying without intending to.

[Mike]

Hey Marcus, your post just encouraged a little revelation for me:

In the past so many respectable people had claimed alien craft had crashed into the earth....the most famous incident being Roswell obviously. And I always had one foot in with the camp that would inevitably make the point that it was absurd to assume an alien race of such elaborate and sophisticated technology and intellect- technology and.intellect that would allow them to traverse light years of space time to come here - would just one day make a silly gaff that would result in a crashed disc. It never made sense to me...

...but if you plug in an equal or superior technology at war with those aliens, it does make sense. Im embarrassed it never occured to me!

[DNA]

Okay here it is. The Tom Delonge interview from last night 2-26-17.
Youtube takes down these Coast to Coast interviews pretty quick so I would jump on this and listen to it as soon as possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6A9v8_P6xc
K6A9v8_P6xc


Wow they removed that within hours, I'll repost if I find it again.




Mod edit from Bill: Now archived in the Avalon Library, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/C2C_26_Feb_2016_George_Knapp_interview_with_Tom_DeLonge_and_Peter_Levenda.mp3

[Star Tsar]

New link listen whilst one can!


Coast To Coast AM

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/images/placeholder-staticpage.jpg

Peter Lavenda & Tom DeLonge - Inside The UFO Mystery

Aired 26th February 2017 | Published 28th February 2017

Tom & Peter join George Knapp to delve inside the UFO mystery & Update us on their work.

Program notes here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/02/26

-CkhtCIlHMQ



Mod edit from Bill: this YouTube video has been taken down. Now archived in the Avalon Library, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/C2C_26_Feb_2016_George_Knapp_interview_with_Tom_DeLonge_and_Peter_Levenda.mp3

[Star Tsar]

BUMPING!This thread.

[Star Tsar]

I just listened to Coast to Coastam 2/26/17 and listened to the interview George Knapp had with Tom Delonge and Peter Levenda.
They rehashed the whole idea that ancient religions were probably the result of humans worshiping visiting aliens via the Cargo Cult idea, but this is something that was first brought about by Eric Von Donniken and later expanded more on by Zacharia Sitchen.
They brought up Sumer and I felt like they should have been giving Sitchen some props but they did not and they continued as if we haven't all watched "Ancient Aliens" on the history channel.
They then segwayed into the idea that most modern religions were "control" mechanisms put in place by "alien" or "ultraterrestrial" caretakers who were residing over us.
For me I was like, "yea, well Billy Meier told us this in the 1970's" but I suppose there are some folks who might find this illuminating.


Delonge stated that he could understand why there has been no disclosure because there are no reassuring tales to tell.
He stated that it appears there are aliens that are at odds with one another, and with us.
He stated case in point, he had asked one of the higher ups making information available to him if there are alien controllers influencing and affecting what is going on in government and such, and could a man such as himself be compromised, Delonge stated referring to his contact, to which his contact simply replied "yes".


When listening to Delonge talk about aliens at war in space I was reminded of something said by Robert Morning Sky. Robert stated that his grandfather had watched a UFO crash on a Native American reservation and that they had gotten to the crash before the Government and that they had rescued a star visitor and kept him hidden while nursing him back to health.
The Star Visitor had told Morning Sky's grandfather that there was a war going on above our heads right this very second and that this war had been going on between fighting factions in space for a long time.


Delonge made the statement that he could understand why JFK was killed if he was going to prematurely start an alien disclosure before the world was ready to hear about it and before there was really any defense mobilized against them.
Delonge also stated that various countries of the world knew about the alien threat, and that this one realization was what kept the cold war with Russia from becoming a hot war. I couldn't help but think about John Lear who had echoed these very same sentiments.


While listening to Tom Delonge I couldn't help but to think about the recent interviews with William Tompkins.
William Tompkins gives way more information, but Delonge without knowing so seemed to be validating quite a bit of what Tompkins was saying without intending to.

Tom also stressed that he was pointed to Greek Mythology several times which is FULL of reptilian slayings from Perseus & Cetus to Hercules & Hydra oh & don't forget Athena vs Draco.

[Did You See Them]

FORMER Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge has claimed "a big announcement" in the world of alien and UFO disclosure is due in the next 60 days.
The singer-turned UFO investigator spoke after being named UFO "Researcher Of The Year" by the International UFO Congress.

In his acceptance speech he suggested there was about to be a big leap in the quest for truth over aliens.

He has been involved in a mystery project, details of which emerged when emails he sent Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta were released by WikiLeaks during the US presidential election campaign.

The emails suggested he was in talks with significant US military sources.

DeLonge has previously made wild claims, including that he has met aliens near top-secret military base Area 51.

"There’s a lot that I can’t say, but there’s some that I can, but there will be an announcement in like 60 days."

More: http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/776731/Blink-182-Tom-DeLonge-UFO-aliens-announcement-60-DAYS

[EFO]

It would be very interesting if would be also true.
So,today is 09 March 2017,let see what will came out until 09 May 2017 (?) .

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this on a mainstream site/paper...we'll see.

‘BIG UFO ANNOUNCEMENT’ within 60 DAYS...

The singer-turned UFO investigator spoke after being named UFO "Researcher Of The Year" by the International UFO Congress.

In his acceptance speech he suggested there was about to be a big leap in the quest for truth over aliens.

More here...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/weird/776731/Blink-182-Tom-DeLonge-UFO-aliens-announcement-60-DAYS/amp

Viking

[DNA]

The singer's name is Tom Delonge and he said as much on Coast to Coast am with George Knapp.
Tom Delonge's claims of talking to folks in high Government positions was given a boost when the wikileaks drops of John Podesta had shown this was the case. Delonge had indeed met with Podesta, a general from Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and a high up from Lockheed Martin Skunkworks.
So Tom Delonge is not lying.
Delonge states that the UFO picture is anything but warm and fuzzy.
We have unfriendly beings, unfriendly to humans anyway.
We have folks flying around in various flying craft up there shooting at eachother.
There is apparently a war going on up there.

[Helene West]

I'll believe it when I hear it. I just don't see how Disclosure will benefit the powers that be unless of course we're talking more secretive white hats in the CIA and this guy speaking to John Podesta about it, I'm missing something here.

What has resurrected my interest in 'disclosure' is the work of David Paulides in the field of mysterious disappearances of people in rural areas. This is so creepy and to me clearly not your average crime like serial killers or such. Something of high tech is going on and the thought that we could be food or something like that for aliens has haunted me...

[bettye198]

Think I mentioned before but if not, the mysterious disappearances, for many, were part of a deep secret space agenda I learned. Shuttling humans from this globe to far reaching command centers on planetary systems and Moon. They were soon to discover they were used as slaves. I have to wonder about the MIA prisoners no one ever found or heard about. But the info also included many of our troops. They were boarded on anti-gravity, reverse engineering craft and brought to those space destinations. I am sure the families were told they were blown up in pieces and could not present a body. I heard this was done many times over. I am not surprised since the Nazi secret space program initiated in the 1930's and full force US involvement in the fifties.

[Builder]

I wouldn't be surprised if the content of this disclosure will be very similar to what William Tomkins, Corey Goode et al tell. I have the feeling this is some coordinated effort by the same powers behind the scenes. Get ready for an increased defense budget against whomever they present as the enemy and claiming special circumstances to excuse past crimes and money extraction.

[norman]

Tom Delonge has been briefed by someone, but who?

And why?

And what's the idea?

I've seen a lot of useful idiots come and go over the years. Tom Delonge has the appearance of yet another one, to me.

Considering 80% of the population believe UFOs and ETs are real, it's hardly an information of truth campaign. The powers-that-be know we know. What's the point of this?

They know we don't believe anything they say. It's reached a point where they have to come out of complete denial. Ok, that might sound like a good thing, on the face of it. If it's a strategy to regain our trust by exploiting the fact that most people don't do much research, watch out.

Perception management is a fancy way of saying "lying". Concocting reasons why we can't be told the full truth, is conspiracy to lie. A 2 year plan to release some information is a 2 year conspiracy to lie.

They probably regard whatever "truth" they have under wraps as an arms cache that they can deploy as needed to stop a complete wipe out of their authority over us. As the Trump issues are looking very bad for them right now, it's hardly surprising that they have a plan like this in the works.

Remember how the Church was set up to be an intermediary between us and whatever source of life exists (truth). Remember also that the Church, as a kind of gate keeper, has been the very reason we've wandered aimlessly in the dark all this time.

Disclosure? don't make me laugh. It's more gate keeping.

[The Freedom Train]

Tom Delonge has been briefed by someone, but who?

And why?

And what's the idea?

I've seen a lot of useful idiots come and go over the years. Tom Delonge has the appearance of yet another one, to me.

Considering 80% of the population believe UFOs and ETs are real, it's hardly an information of truth campaign. The powers-that-be know we know. What's the point of this?

They know we don't believe anything they say. It's reached a point where they have to come out of complete denial. Ok, that might sound like a good thing, on the face of it. If it's a strategy to regain our trust by exploiting the fact that most people don't do much research, watch out.

Perception management is a fancy way of saying "lying". Concocting reasons why we can't be told the full truth, is conspiracy to lie. A 2 year plan to release some information is a 2 year conspiracy to lie.

They probably regard whatever "truth" they have under wraps as an arms cache that they can deploy as needed to stop a complete wipe out of their authority over us. As the Trump issues are looking very bad for them right now, it's hardly surprising that they have a plan like this in the works.

Remember how the Church was set up to be an intermediary between us and whatever source of life exists (truth). Remember also that the Church, as a kind of gate keeper, has been the very reason we've wandered aimlessly in the dark all this time.

Disclosure? don't make me laugh. It's more gate keeping.

I feel the same way as you do, and one more thought: as per wikileaks, he was communicating with John Podesta. Why should we think this is a good sign?

[Helene West]

Think I mentioned before but if not, the mysterious disappearances, for many, were part of a deep secret space agenda I learned. Shuttling humans from this globe to far reaching command centers on planetary systems and Moon. They were soon to discover they were used as slaves. I have to wonder about the MIA prisoners no one ever found or heard about. But the info also included many of our troops. They were boarded on anti-gravity, reverse engineering craft and brought to those space destinations. I am sure the families were told they were blown up in pieces and could not present a body. I heard this was done many times over. I am not surprised since the Nazi secret space program initiated in the 1930's and full force US involvement in the fifties.

Bettye
Can u give a name of this program or someone who speaks of or has written about it. I hear about secret space programs but not in connection with taking humans to other planets as slaves.

As I've said I'm very bothered by paulides work and the fact that paulides will not give his opinion what he thinks may be going on after years of investigation makes it more creepy. If the higher echelons of humans are pedophiles and murderers it's not much of a stretch to imagine alien cannibals.

[ALLiTiZ]

I'm reading Tom DeLonge's new book right now "Sekret Machines" This could be the script for "disclosure". I'm keeping my eyes on this whole situation and watching the stage closely. Discernment advised!

[Bill Ryan]

Discernment advised!

Yep! :)

[DNA]

I'll believe it when I hear it. I just don't see how Disclosure will benefit the powers that be unless of course we're talking more secretive white hats in the CIA and this guy speaking to John Podesta about it, I'm missing something here.
John Podesta is involved. So I'm very skeptical this disclosure is going to benefit the vast majority of us.
I don't think this is a white hat type disclosure thing at all.
Think of it like this, we hear about Trump and certain white hats wanting to out the spirit cooking pedophile child murdering bastards in power. We hear that these perpetrators are tying to "normalize" their behavior. We see how a recent CNN reporter ate human brains while doing a story on cannibals in India. http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/03/10/reza-aslan-eats-human-brain-on-new-cnn-show-believer.html
This so far as I'm concerned is an attempt in the direction of normalizing the behavior of the elite.
Putin has stated openly he is of the opinion that the west is attempting to normalize pedophilia. http://yournewswire.com/putin-new-world-order-pedophilia-west/
The message present in Tom Delonge's book that is coming out this month is that ALL religions are based off cargo cult type behavior where upon our distant ancestors were simply worshiping aliens who were making them selves known at the time.
In my opinion this is a very telling move, for it seems this would be a move towards delegitimizing religious ethics, and in the same motion the ingrained ethics with which we all use to tell us wrong from right.
As religious doctrine is made illegitimate so to will an attempt be made to make impotent our ethics in general.
Thus ushering in a new era of Sodom and Gomora. A new era in which pedophilia, homosexuality, human sacrifice and cannibalism will all be forced on us as anaccepted norm. This will be forced on us just as transgenderism is being forced on us now. As a matter of fact transgenderism is probably the first stage of softening us up for this next blow.


What has this all to do with disclosure?
Eventually it may come out that humans are being used across different not human cultures for sex, food and slavery.
And it will then become a point of contention.
We will be told it is ethnocentric to judge different alien cultures who partake in sex with our children and then eat those same children.
After all, there is no God, there is no religion and they have been doing this for thousands of years.
We will be told not to judge and or condemn those who indulge in different practices just as we are being told now not to judge or condemn transgenders on any level what so ever including their presence in the bathrooms of the opposite sex.


I do not trust anything what so ever connected to John Podesta, the guy represents practices which one does not need a religion or religious doctrine to condemn and know are evil.


What has resurrected my interest in 'disclosure' is the work of David Paulides in the field of mysterious disappearances of people in rural areas. This is so creepy and to me clearly not your average crime like serial killers or such. Something of high tech is going on and the thought that we could be food or something like that for aliens has haunted me...

Indeed!

[BMJ]

Well it has been said before but worth repeating, if all of humanity is faced with ET's hell bent on our enslavement then that would be a good reason for humanity to unit under a one world government. Different spin same outcome.

Been there before in the 1980's as a teenager. Remember MACROSS.

MACROSS
The U.N. Spacy is a fictional military arm of the Earth Unified Government. It was established by the successor to the modern United Nations in order to defend Earth from a possible attack by hostile aliens, and was involved in Space War against an extraterrestrial race called the Zentradi.

Later operations of the U.N. Spacy expanded into interstellar colonization and general peacekeeping of off-world Earth settlements.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/4d/9b/15/4d9b15480fc416439744f915c01f2c10.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Found this on a mainstream site/paper...we'll see.

‘BIG UFO ANNOUNCEMENT’ within 60 DAYS...

The singer-turned UFO investigator spoke after being named UFO "Researcher Of The Year" by the International UFO Congress.

In his acceptance speech he suggested there was about to be a big leap in the quest for truth over aliens.

More here...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/weird/776731/Blink-182-Tom-DeLonge-UFO-aliens-announcement-60-DAYS/amp


To add a possibly important rider to this, at 2:15:45 in his recent Coast to Coast interview with Peter Levenda (talking to George Knapp), Tom DeLonge says exactly this:


"In the next 60 to 90 days (–ish), there’ll be more clarity."

Note: the interview, which has been removed from YouTube, is archived here:
http://avalonlibrary.net/C2C_26_Feb_2016_George_Knapp_interview_with_Tom_DeLonge_and_Peter_Levenda.mp3

[Bill Ryan]

I listened to the whole of his 26 Feb 2017 Coast to Coast interview (http://avalonlibrary.net/C2C_26_Feb_2016_George_Knapp_interview_with_Tom_DeLonge_and_Peter_Levenda.mp3) with great interest. (And I commend George Knapp for being so restrained. :) )

As with many other researchers and students of the whole history of the UFO phenomenon in recent times, I have significant misgivings. My view on this particular circus has remained largely unchanged:

He's playing with his audience rather like a cat with a mouse — or, that's the way it feels to many, including myself.

That's naive, and it seems to me to clearly betray more than a small amount of arrogance. He seems unaware that the UFO community has been toyed with and lied to and teased and misinformed for so long, that they have little patience any more for anything other than the available facts (even if incomplete), presented authentically, transparently and honestly.

His claim that people 'need to read his books' to get more info — because he needs to make money and cover his costs — is (to me) shallow, unconvincing, and earns my disrespect. If I was in his situation — even having made necessary commitments to real insiders not to reveal certain material — I'd still be laying everything out that I could, in every public platform, monetized or not, at every opportunity.

This is not about $$.

To hold back information on a major radio show when millions will hear it is to reveal a kind of cycle of abuse, so to speak... adopting and embracing the controlling attitude of his controllers.

The feeling one gets is that he's simply an agent or an asset — knowingly or not — of those in power, and is kind of getting off on that, at the same time trying to play both sides.

I have a pretty keen nose for authenticity, and something's not quite right here. (Peter Levenda is merely a scholarly co-author and sidekick, and has no control over this process. He's just adding what value he can, and is permitted to. No issue there.)

How much is not right — 2%, 5%, 50% — I have no clear idea. But it's not 100% right, I feel certain.

[we-R-one]

I’ve been watching talk of the ‘gods’ closely, especially by Tom Delonge. It will take a few moments to reveal the back story, so I apologize for the extremely long post, but this story is tied to Tom’s work and you will understand better as you read so please be patient as I divulge pertinent information.….In Oct. 2015 I had my 3rd Akashic Record reading with the well known Kevin Ryerson. If you’re not familiar with him or his skill set, he’s the person American actress Shirley MacLaine has been touting for years. He’s known for outstanding Akashic Record readings and accurate past life identifications. Some consider him to be the Edgar Cayce of the century. He also works with Dr. Walter Semkiw of the IISIS- Institute For The Integration of Science, Institution and Spirit as seen here:

http://www.iisis.net/index.php%3Fpage%3Dwalter-semkiw-reincarnation-past-lives-past-life-expert

I personally pursued both of these professionals when I needed help identifying who I had been in conjunction with the past life memories I had been experiencing. These guys are some of the best in the field and I have learned much since my initial reading back in 2011. But there was one piece of information in the past two readings where I needed clarity. Originally I was told to look at the Oracle of Delphi. Initially I took this information ‘literally’, and therefore couldn’t find much to satisfy a proper past life identification match to my satisfaction. At the time I didn’t realize I was being given a location of one of my past lives, not a person as Oracle of Delphi is also considered a point of reference. I asked again in my 3rd reading about my identity and was told ‘Artemis’, look at Artemis. For those who don’t know, Artemis is one of the Olympian Greek gods, daughter to Zeus and twin of Apollo, a mythological figure as we’ve all been told our entire life times, so this part of the reading made no sense and it wasn’t until early 2016 that I realized I needed to take a closer look at what I had been told back in the Oct. 2015 reading. What triggered my renewed attention was what Linda Moulton Howe said in an interview with George Noory:

“..and when I was working on the Home Box Office project back in 1983, the working title was UFO’s the E.T. Factor, and there was a person who crossed my path in that year that I think worked for an alphabet soup agency and he told me, ‘keep in mind the Greek gods weren’t mythology, they are real E.T.’s and they fight”. And he said, “one of the big mysteries is Zeus and the Titans fought each other”, but what did they fight over(says Linda)?” (Alphabet soup guy says), “Linda, if we had the answer to that question, if you had the answer to that question, we might be able to understand what’s happening.”- Linda Moulton Howe

Shortly after Linda’s interview, Tom Delonge started discussing the Greek ‘gods’ with George Knapp on a Coast to Coast interview stating the same as Linda, the Greek gods being real. Below are quotes from an additional interview with Tom:

TOM'S AMA AT ABOVETOPSECRET
yeahright: Who are they? Where are they from? What are they doing? Why are they doing it? According to whom? Why should we trust what 'they' claim?
Tom: They are the "gods" of the past. They may be clones, need to ask that. Well, i did, but did not get a response on that. They are interested in DNA and genetic manipulation. According to an Advisor that has no one higher than his authority in this field.
Source: http://tothestars.prophpbb.com/topic33.html

Meanwhile, as this is happening, I’m digging into the ‘Artemis’ clue to see why exactly I’m being told to look at her….I thought maybe he was telling me I was an Oracle for Artemis…but as I read more, I realized…omg, he’s not telling me I’m an Oracle, he’s telling me I am Artemis. And because I know a few of my other core past life incarnations, I was able to see the matches that corresponded to my Artemis identity not only in this lifetime, but also my other past lives. I’ve been studying reincarnation cases for quite some time and I know the type of patterns one can find when making proper past life identifications so I’m not going to get into the details here as this sharing will be long enough …. Long story short, this discovery, has enabled me to get a better idea of the bigger picture and possibly why ‘we’ (the Greek gods) are here. It’s also made it easier for me to identify several of the other Greek ‘gods’ as we all come from the same soul group.

The reason I’m sharing this is because I strongly feel Tom is being misguided and used to support an agenda that might not be in our best interest which is why I’m willing to speak out. I don’t like his contact with Podesta and the side of the fence he(Podesta) represents if you get my drift which has always been to promote the Globalist agenda….and I’ll tell you something else I picked up on that didn’t smell right about Tom’s message…

Remember Dr. John Brandenburg the Plasma Physicist? He’s the guy who theorized two EMP’s were detonated over Mars approx. 250 million years ago…Google his name if you want to find more…Anyways, he was ‘allowed’ to present his scientific findings at the recent AIAA(American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) Space Convention in Sept. 2016. This is a big deal as they don’t just ‘allow’ anyone to make a presentation. In an interview he did last year on Coast to Coast am he confirmed the Pentagon gave approval for his presentation and findings. He also said his two most recent presentations including the AIAA Space Convention event went well. Apparently he was bombarded with questions. I don't think he'd be stupid enough to lie about Pentagon approval. They gave him a green light to go public and it appears this is a part of disclosure and fits into the bigger plan...I also remember him saying that the likes of NASA and JPL(Jet Propulsion Laboratory)and Lockheed Martin aka Skunk Works have tried to keep control over Mars or something to that effect. What does this have to do with Tom? Well if you’ve listened to his(Tom’s) interviews and taken the time to look at his so called ‘advisors’ revealed in the recent Wikileaks release, some of them are tied to Skunk Works, JPL and NASA and it’s obvious these guys have an agenda and I’m not even remotely convinced it’s in the best interest of humanity as they would like you to believe. But in all fairness, only time will tell….

And because I’m confident in my past life identity as Artemis and the identities of several of the other Greek gods, it means, I know who they are, where they are and what they’re doing in this incarnation and even some of their past lives and I can assure you, they are regular people playing roles and caught up in the 3D experience like everyone else. I’m getting the impression that Tom’s advisors are suggesting there’s a battle brewing with these gods which I think is total B.S. in the manner in which it’s being presented. Wars generate dollars and jobs of power, a likely motivation for those with out of control egos needing to be fed.

The missing component not seeming to enter into Tom’s equation is reincarnation, which is key to understanding what’s taking place. Reincarnation is real, it’s not some New Agey concept. There’s so much evidence in support its ridiculous, so I have no interest in debating its existence. You either believe it or you don’t and if you don’t, in all fairness, please consider researching all the labor intensive content available thanks to many Dr.’s and Ph.D’s who’ve spent lifetimes documenting cases. I’ve done the research myself including my own core past life identities so I know what I’m talking about. In fact one of my cases is slated for an upcoming book about reincarnation authored by an individual who’s long been in the field. I share this, so you know I’m being serious about what I’ve uncovered. I have no interest in making false claims and like you, I’m merely exploring for the sake of getting to the truth.

When you understand reincarnation you can clearly see the process entails…live…die….repeat…..over and over again. Those who explore past life identities, past life regressions and NDE’s will begin to observe patterns emerging when studying and becoming familiar with several cases. One pattern that’s consistent is soul growth. Basically you are on planet Earth to learn lessons by the roles you play. That means someone is going to play the bad role and someone plays the good…Yin/Yang, Light/Dark you get the idea. This message comes out loud and clear. Well what does that mean? This is key…..It means this reality on Earth isn’t what’s real! It’s why they say we are living in an illusion it’s why more and more scientists are agreeing with the Computer Simulation theory. It’s why you see patterns as they are associated to numbers. It’s why it’s said you are ‘playing roles’…it’s a ‘game’. Earth is merely one of many dimensions in existence and the point is to have a reality where soul growth can be achieved that cannot occur in the dimensions of higher vibrations.

Another pattern that keeps coming up in these cases are individuals who remember ‘picking’ their parents before they are born. Ok, what does that mean? It suggests some are being strategically placed in specific locations and situations by design!!! Just because you might not remember picking your parents doesn’t mean it isn’t going on, but you have to take this possibility into consideration as many have come forward with very vivid memories of this occurring in addition to it showing up in Past Life Regression sessions. Well what else does could this mean? It says, someone is controlling the reincarnation wheel and knows how the game works!....Which is why you get to ‘pick’ your parents as the choice has to involve people who are going to help you achieve the growth/lessons you are to learn during the incarnation. Don’t forget…your astrological chart plays a role in this which is why you are born with specific planetary alignments on a specific date and time to achieve what it is you need to learn or maybe even unlearn. This fits into the Computer Simulation Theory. Why? Because astrology is science based using the Five Elements-Earth, Air, Water, Fire and Aether……And who is that ‘someone’ controlling the reincarnation wheel? Likely an extremely advanced E.T. race because who does that??? When you see what’s involved by connecting the dots of knowledge on topics of reincarnation, NDE’s, past life regressions and astrology…you see the complexities of the concepts merging which reveals the larger truth and to connect the dots properly you have to incorporate these concepts into the bigger picture.

At this point…no one is going to come out with a megaphone making a public announcement or post as a headline news story in detail and tell you everything I’m sharing; you have to figure this out by researching cases including your own. So understanding reincarnation will help you understand when people are talking smack because if they don’t insert 'the mechanics' of reincarnation into the big picture of their story, then something is faulty about what they’re sharing. I’m not saying Tom doesn’t believe in reincarnation, but I can tell at this point, ‘the mechanics’ of the topic do not appear to coincide with his message and that signifies a problem in the content of his story. Why? Because when you know someone is controlling the reincarnation wheel so to speak, you know everything that’s happening is by design to some extent. From my own personal experience I could see I was being placed in specific roles tied to my soul group. History tells us the Greek gods were E.T.’s so we did not originate from Earth. Many of us from this group are being placed in leadership roles. When you look at reincarnation cases you will notice some of us have had several well documented cases. You’re taught to believe this is all crap and nobody plays a famous role. Well I assure you it isn’t crap, it’s true and I can tell you in my core past life cases I am a well documented person which is why I can see what’s going on based on who I was, where I was and who I am today.

I believe the soul group I come from is in charge of this planet and the reincarnation wheel. The word ‘guardian’ seems to follow me from one incarnation to the next as well as others who I’ve come to know from the same group implying ‘responsibility’. Not only am I physically seeing the word in my past life cases, I also can sense and ‘feel’ this responsibility from within. Intuition can be a form of memory. It’s highly likely that the Greek god’s and the disciples of Jesus are one in the same soul group. Why? Because one of my core identities in addition to Artemis was that of Saint Mary Helena Salome, one of the 3 sacred Mary’s which would make me Aunt and cousin to Jesus. Mary was an Essene and the Essenes were known to be messengers of the Archangels. However I am becoming more and more confident that we weren’t just the messengers of the Archangel, we are the Archangels! It makes sense I would find myself in this group as research shows you typically incarnate within your soul group. I come from the soul group Archangel Michael and Raphael. Michael and Jesus are one in the same. This soul group association has been Akashic Record confirmed. So then you’re asking yourself, what are the odds that I would be in the two core groups of religion known to mankind unless I was being strategically placed? These are the questions you begin to conjure that give you clues into the bigger picture. So I would tell you the Archangels and Greek gods are from the same E.T. race based on who I was and some of those close to me in our past lives.

It’s impossible to explain all of this in a few short sentences….I’m trying to give you some inside information that can only be found if you are one of these individuals so you can understand why I think Tom Delonge is likely misleading the audience whether he knows it or not. I’ve left out a lot of details as it’s the equivalent to writing a book and I’m trying to stay on topic here. Because of the roles I’ve played and the soul group I’m associated with, it gives me knowledge of the bigger picture which is why I’m speaking out….the key is Reincarnation and what that implies. Planet Earth is an experiment in more ways than one and there is definitely a tie in to DNA! This became apparent in my own story of today which I won’t get into in this post, but I feel confident in affirming the DNA topic to be one of many agendas. Major soul growth can only be achieved in the lower dimensions that the 3D experience provides as you need conflict and negative energy to generate positive outcomes. That is the purpose of planet Earth. If you could remember where you really come from and every detail of your past lives it wouldn’t work…Why you ask?….because you wouldn’t want to play the game! And soul growth could not be achieved as you would then know too much defeating the entire purpose of incarnating here in the first place.

Some may try and use the angle that the Greek Gods were known to fight and start wars which I believe that is what Tom and the others are suggesting…yes I understand this and it does seem likely based on the findings of ancient documents….however….I would ask you to consider this….If the Greek gods are ‘the guardians’ of the this planet and the reincarnation wheel…someone has to start ‘the game’ and if that’s the case, it could be why they are known for starting wars and the infamous fights with the Titans. There is just as much good taking place on this planet and it’s not all mayheim, it obvious to me based on my research and what I’ve uncovered that we are experiencing ‘cycles’ and that Earth serves a purpose for spiritual growth. Also, I know some of the past lives of the Greek gods which allows me to see their intent and personal individual growth. You have to remember what reincarnation implies…It implies that this reality isn’t what’s real! So you aren’t a ‘victim’ you are merely at times put into difficult situations by design so your soul has the opportunity to learn and grow. ‘Victim mentality’ is 3D thinking and part the meme you are learning to conquer. The ultimate transmutation of the negative and positive polarities into love, compassion and forgiveness remain the focal point of many individual’s experiences and outcomes.

One last point…Remember what I told you about Dr. John Brandenburg and his discoveries of what happened on Mars. He specifically said they can date the detonation of EMP’s back to 250 million years ago…..So you should be asking yourself…who had that kind of technology back then? And….what E.T. race is responsible?? Cause it wasn’t people from planet Earth…..Remember…the Pentagon ‘gave’ him permission to present the findings at the AIAA(American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) show back in 2016. This is disclosure, hello!!! AS these are the questions you begin to ask yourself in light of these findings. And I’m asking….what the heck is my nephew Pan’s face mask doing in the rubble found on Mars???? Pan was known to be the son of Hermes and Hermes would have been my brother as Artemis. It says to me we were once on Mars and likely ‘the game’ didn’t end well as we find ourselves repeating the same roles as we once did on the Red planet.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/80/590x/Mars-Pan-720024.jpg

In closing, I’d be cognizant of Tom and Company and their possible nefarious agenda. Tom comes across as naive for someone who’s studied the UFO phenomenon for as long as he claims. And because you’re living within a ‘computer simulation’, you have to keep in mind many are still in the middle of experiencing their own personal ‘sims’ for soul growth as you cannot ignore the reincarnation factor in the big picture. It’s why disclosure has been happening in a slow and mundane drip, drip, drip fashion. There are many out there who still cannot handle the truth, which is why they refuse ‘to believe’ any of this is taking place as its ‘easier’ to follow the programmed memes. These are souls who aren’t ready. Many still operate in fear and can see no other way as the ‘victim mentality’ remains to be their protector…it’s just how the game works and you have souls living amongst one another who are at different levels in their soul growth, which is why this whole ‘disclosure’ process becomes more complicated than one can even imagine and likely one of many reasons why the process has to encompass a slow rollout.
I can share more if there’s interest, but this is plenty long enough and as you can see it’s a story that cannot be told in a few short paragraphs. I hope this post is allowed to stand despite its length and content.

Additional Sources:
https://www.aiaa-space.org/
http://lifeonmars.pub/books/life-and-death-on-mars/
http://www.theoi.com/greek-mythology/olympian-gods.html
www.kevinryerson.com

[Bill Ryan]

[bulletpoints extracted by Bill]


I strongly feel Tom is being misguided and used to support an agenda that might not be in our best interest which is why I’m willing to speak out.



Reincarnation is real, it’s not some New Agey concept. There’s so much evidence in support it's ridiculous, so I have no interest in debating its existence.



I think Tom DeLonge is likely misleading the audience whether he knows it or not.



Planet Earth is an experiment in more ways than one and there is definitely a tie in to DNA!



I’d be cognizant of Tom and Company and their possible nefarious agenda. Tom comes across as naive for someone who’s studied the UFO phenomenon for as long as he claims.



Yes to all of the above. And many thanks for your long, detailed and personal post, which I take entirely seriously. :star:

[we-R-one]

Hi Bill,
Sorry to post over the top of you...I usually wait a while after someone posts out of courtesy. I didn't see that your post had just gone up right before mine. I'm glad you concur. I am speaking out because of who I was which gives me an advantage and why I'm willing to share. At this point based on what I know about myself and individuals from my soul group, our mission is to help and guide planet Earth along in 'the game'. And if people could see our incarnations and accomplishments from long ago, they would see we are not all nefarious as some would like to believe. It does not mean we are perfect, entirely impossible to be under the constraints of 3D living. But, case in point, here's an example when we do get it right...look at the creators of Angkor Thom and read what we did....This is Apollo, myself and another from our soul group in the 12th century as part of the Royal Trinity. My name was Queen Jayarajadevi...
http://www.devata.org/pdf/Ancient-Queens-Who-Shaped-an-Asian-Empire-Indradevi-and-Jayarajadevi.pdf

I believe our soul group might be tied to El Cantare but I need another reading to confirm. I suspect Tom's group is going to paint the Olympians into a corner that might not bear the truth. I cannot speak for the other 'gods' or what E.T. race they represent. What I can tell you is it's not a mistake we are being strategically placed in specific roles throughout the world and it's why there is so much interest in the royal lines as often that is where we can be found. That being said...I will tell you...whoever is running 'the show' here on planet Earth in regards to the entertainment industry....they know exactly who we are, who we were and where we are as I have personally watched movies and t.v. series based on some of our past lives where they are incorporating information about our past lives and soul group within the script. Of course unless you 'know thyself' you would never pick up on these clues or even realize the truths being revealed before your very eyes.

[araucaria]

I have only caught the last few posts on this thread, please excuse my ignorance of what has gone before. However, I am hugely intrigued by we-R-one’s perceived experience of being a reincarnation of the goddess Artemis. I have just finished reading Mary’s Mosaic by Peter Janney, about the murder of JFK’s lover Mary Meyer. The other day, probably last Thursday, I was struck by a passage in the prologue when the author describes an encounter as a small boy with a nude sunbather, which reminded me forcibly of the myth of Artemis and Actaeon I first read about as a young teenager fifty years ago. When Artemis was seen bathing, she turned Actaeon into a stag and ‘with his own pack of fifty hounds, tore him to pieces’ (R. Graves, The Greek Myths). This makes sense, given that as a three-year-old on her father Zeus’s knees, Artemis was granted a wish and , no doubt in the knowledge of what a dirty old man her father was, asked for eternal virginity.

The Mary Meyer scenario is rather different, but struck me as a modern version of an encounter with a naked goddess:

Mary Pinchot Meyer looked up from her canvas. Even then, i distinctly remember feeling that there was something unique about Michael’s mother, beyond her glistening, radiant beauty. She was so unlike any other adult in my world at that time. Calm and still, at peace with herself, she had a presence and demeanor that struck me. Less than a year before, Michael and I had been playing baseball in front of their house when Michael sent one of my pitches zooming off his bat and over the house. I ran around the back in search of the ball and came upon Mary reading on a blanket. She lay completely naked, her backside to the sun. I was breathless. She hadn’t heard me coming, and I stood there for what seemed to me a very long time, gawking. At the time, I had no words for the vision that I beheld, but I knew that beauty such as hers was something I longed to know better. When Mary finally looked up and saw me, she wasn’t embarrassed or upset, or even startled. She just smiled, letting me know that is was okay; no sin had been committed. I found the ball, ran back to play with Mikey, and felt somehow irrevocably altered, even blessed. But it wasn’t anything I could describe at the time.

Comments:
1) ‘Less than a year before’ is with reference to another scene, where she puts war paint on the boys’ faces, and they dance about like Indians, ‘waving our knives in flagrant violation of every childhood safety rule known to man’. This time it is the boys who are unembarrassedly naked, having peed in their pants during an encounter with a snake, then lost the ones Mary had given them. A very innocent re-enactment of the Actaeon myth.

2) All this is remembered in the context of the death of Michael at the age of nine (run over by a car). Actaeon is thus a pair of twins: one dies, the other (Peter Janney) survives to tell the tale.

3) All this is further remembered in the context of the murder of Mary herself. As a former CIA wife who became the number one woman in Kennedy’s life, she knew too much about the JFK assassination and had to be terminated.

This puts a whole new slant on the myth. Perhaps Zeus the philanderer was reincarnated as Jack Kennedy, and Artemis, now a normally sexually active person, as the one woman in his life with whom he could have a proper relationship? If the ancient myth were being rewritten in such a radical and positive fashion, that would explain why the story ended so tragically through massive opposition, and why the Dealey Plaza affair has become so important ever since.

The next question would be, for we-R-one: if Artemis has shown up again today, does this fit in with your current perception of the situation, and if so, what can you tell us about who and where the present incarnation of Zeus is and what he is up to?

[norman]

I've been reading reviews (https://www.amazon.com/Sekret-Machines-Gods-Man-War/dp/1943272239/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8#customerReviews) of the Gods book on amazon.

It seems people who have a good grasp of things don't find anything new in the book. Someone was offended by the idea that we humans are a 'cargo cult', completely failing to understand what we are seeing.

Haha. I have no problem at all with the idea we are a cargo cult. I've had a similar notion most of my life. If that's the biggy about this book, I don't think I really need to blow 20 quid on it.

[Mike]

Found this on a mainstream site/paper...we'll see.

‘BIG UFO ANNOUNCEMENT’ within 60 DAYS...

The singer-turned UFO investigator spoke after being named UFO "Researcher Of The Year" by the International UFO Congress.

In his acceptance speech he suggested there was about to be a big leap in the quest for truth over aliens.

More here...
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/weird/776731/Blink-182-Tom-DeLonge-UFO-aliens-announcement-60-DAYS/amp


To add a possibly important rider to this, at 2:15:45 in his recent Coast to Coast interview with Peter Levenda (talking to George Knapp), Tom DeLonge says exactly this:


"In the next 60 to 90 days (–ish), there’ll be more clarity."

Note: the interview, which has been removed from YouTube, is archived here:
http://avalonlibrary.net/C2C_26_Feb_2016_George_Knapp_interview_with_Tom_DeLonge_and_Peter_Levenda.mp3



Not trying to be a wise guy here...but ya ever notice how disclosure is always 60 or 90 days away? Or something similar? It's never like...*tomorrow*.....or even in say, a week.:)

60 or 90 days is perfect carrot dangling time. It allows one plenty of time to get unnecessarily excited while simultaneously providing just enough cushion for us all to forget it was even uttered in the first place....so we're fresh n ready for the next carrot.

I think thats been well thought out. Not kidding. I really do.

[we-R-one]

@ Araucaria,

Yes, you may at times see parallels between the Kennedy’s and the Greek gods, good eye! I have reason to believe they are tied to our soul group. ‘Apollo’ is one of those who remembers ‘picking’ his parents before he was born…He was given 2 choices and one of the choices was within the Kennedy Clan of the East coast. Why? Because what he needed to learn in this incarnation could be experienced within their family based on a well known project they have chosen to support and embrace. I’m sorry I can’t say more, as I feel it would be improper for me to continue in depth due to the people involved.

What you discover while exploring reincarnation is often you’re doing things tied to who you were without even realizing it. Your tastes may reflect what you’re remembering. This is what’s called an ‘emotional’ memory as you likely will not have picture memories to reinforce your actions. It’s for this reason when you begin to figure out your identities, you can easily verify they are correct because you will notice patterns associated to who you were and who you are today. In addition you will begin to notice the people around you matching in the same way to those who were with you in the past life identity. Pure logic tells you this isn’t a coincidence especially when they look like the people who were with you in your past incarnations, lmao. The patterns you are noticing are called ‘objectives’….dates, names, tastes, even similar situations may parallel in the times of today compared to who you were. This can assist in properly confirming history such in the case of Artemis I can tell you I found most of my ‘objectives’ tied to the Greek version rather than the Roman version of Diana. However that does not mean the Roman version is completely inaccurate. I do remember my fondness for the stag deer a totem to Artemis and in fact it’s the crown jewel theme reflected in my Christmas tree decorations and throughout the house. I would categorize this as an ‘emotional’ memory as this choice was made before I realized who I had been not after.

To the best of my knowledge Zeus is not the reincarnation of JFK, as I believe he was in Chicago during those times. I'm actually acquainted with a potential soul aspect of JFK who now resides within Europe. However, never say never as the phenomenon of soul splits is very real indeed. To be sure I would seek facial measurements of the two to see if their bone structures have similar measurements as each individual has their own energy signature. In this incarnation I’m aware I have 5 total soul splits, so likely the other ‘gods’ will too. I believe this becomes most significant in some roles depending on your mission as your DNA can have an effect on the Aether field thanks to the implications of Quantum Mechanics…aw geez…don’t make me explain that one in great detail, lol. I believe my case may be an example of this based on what happened to me in this lifetime. I would need to see more cases of soul splits to further elaborate, which is still somewhat uncharted territory within the reincarnation field as most people can barely handle the concept of reincarnation in itself. Likely this is where some of the interest lies within the E.T. races as many have pointed to their continual focus within the DNA arena.

As far as Mary Pinchot Meyer is concerned she is not a soul aspect of Artemis as she has not been named in any of my Akashic Record readings. In briefly looking at her wikipedia page I see no apparent matches or 'objectives'. It is more likely she comes from the same soul group. The name 'Mary' or derivatives there of have followed me in a few of my incarnations due to my connection to both the Christ line and the Christ soul group. Names have vibrational meaning which is why you see them repeating within soul groups and family lineages.


When Artemis was seen bathing, she turned Actaeon into a stag and ‘with his own pack of fifty hounds, tore him to pieces’ (R. Graves, The Greek Myths). This makes sense, given that as a three-year-old on her father Zeus’s knees, Artemis was granted a wish and , no doubt in the knowledge of what a dirty old man her father was, asked for eternal virginity.

According to legend I was granted 6 wishes …and I think Zeus owes me one more so we can get to the proper number of 7 ….don’t worry, it won’t be wasted if given the opportunity. Aaah yes, 3 years old…keep these numbers in mind as I continue…..and don’t believe everything you read about Greek mythology…often documents can be easily misinterpreted or downright lies skewed on purpose to serve the agenda of another….or should I be saying, ‘The Others’, lol.


The next question would be, for we-R-one: if Artemis has shown up again today, does this fit in with your current perception of the situation, and if so, what can you tell us about who and where the present incarnation of Zeus is and what he is up to?”

Do I know where Zeus is today? I’m about 95% sure I know his identity today yes, however I have not had the opportunity to get him Akashic Record confirmed, but plan to in the near future. Since he is well known, it may be inappropriate for me to confirm his identity. But let’s have some fun with this…I will offer clues for you to seek on your own…

Like Artemis I was born near the 33rd parallel in The City of Angels under the symbol of the Grizzly Bear, the Quail as the state bird, and the state seal bearing my sister Greek goddess Minerva. Both symbols are known totems to Artemis. These are considered to be ‘objectives’ within the reincarnation field and the same methodology will work for others, so those with a keen eye may find indicators to the answers they seek. The Greek gods were known for their rhymes and if you follow the paths of history you may find hints to one’s identities embedded within the musings and tribulations of well documented people. As I was researching the core past life identities of myself and that of Apollo’s I began to notice the numbers 3 and 7 following us from one incarnation to the next….I could sense the importance and as I sat there pondering the idea…all of a sudden a rhyme formed in my head…

“Follow the 3’s and 7’s and then one might find who are the god’s from the heavens”- Elizabeth Marie 4/26/2016

This is a big clue which aided in subsequent discoveries leading to ‘The Others’, lol. The numbers 3 and 7 are numbers associated to the ‘gods’ which is why you will see the same of those born within our soul group, just as you will find with the well known Jesus. But wait a minute…wasn’t Tom Delonge’s release date of his recent book God’s, War, and Man on 3-7? LMao….coincidence??

The 3rd clue I can offer if I’ve made a positive identification is this…The soul aspect of Zeus has already granted the wish of many in regards to disclosure…..Which falls in line with the well known saying, “..and where do they hide the truth?.. Right in front of you.......:whistle:

At some point I hope his identity will be revealed on its own in this lifetime, but for the moment, it might not be ‘politically’ correct for me to make the identification.

I hope this answers your questions and I’m sorry I have to be evasive with some of the information…

[DNA]

(Peter Levenda is merely a scholarly co-author and sidekick, and has no control over this process. He's just adding what value he can, and is permitted to.)

Peter Levinda looks to be aware of what is going on in so far as the "eyes wide shut" religious ceremonies the elite partake in. I'm just inferring based on his other works, but they are compelling if you take the time to look them over and realize the "gods" message Tom Delonge is "messaging" right now.



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[norman]

Having spent several hours catching up with what Delonge has been saying in various interviews, I'm quite concerned that he's being drawn into a 'Project Bluebeam' scenario down the road.

The whole case he's making is that the secret project people are heroes dealing with something incredibly threatening. It may well be so, but the potential for the people feeding him his story to lay out the groundwork for a world capturing (NWO) move through his story is huge.

[norman]

Disclosure Lite or Bluebeam Lite ?

I've just listened to an extraordinary conversation between John Burroughs, Linda Howe and Grant Cameron on Phenomenon Radio. I think it's at least a week old but I caught a repeat last night. (There does not seem to be any youtube versions of Phenomenon Radio since 2015)

There is a signal from space that is going to be announced. Also, according to Cameron, Trump has been briefed about the ET issue and even taken on a trip to see something special. Fascinating gossip I have not heard anywhere else yet.

This sounds like "disclosure" is hotting up and on the brink of going live.

I missed the first 10 minutes before I clicked the record function, the rest is here:

MP3
https://app.box.com/s/rt5533vlid26uknlfxmox7dkcshnas6a

[Bill Ryan]

I've just listened to an extraordinary conversation between John Burroughs, Linda Howe and Grant Cameron on Phenomenon Radio. I think it's at least a week old but I caught a repeat last night. (There does not seem to be any youtube versions of Phenomenon Radio since 2015)



Excellent, many thanks. :thumbsup: Here's the whole thing (16 March 2017):


http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS031617KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Special%20Guest%20Grant%20Cameron%20on%20Disclosure.mp3

The portion you recorded starts at 1:15:34 (you actually got the last half hour or so). It's well worth listening to all of it from the beginning, and there's a ton of stuff to talk about here.

Grant Cameron and Disclosure are also linked and discussed on this thread:


The Government's UFO Disclosure Plan with Grant Cameron (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96703-The-Government-s-UFO-Disclosure-Plan-with-Grant-Cameron)

[Mike]

I listened to the jimmy church interview today. Here are my takes...

- Delonge is clearly passionate about the subject. But I would say his attempts at humilty are unsuccessful. Having said that, i can appreciate the ego thrill this might give someone; it's an unprecedented situation for anyone to be in, so I wont judge him too harshly there.

-however, it was tiresome hearing him say things that give the impression that he is light years ahead of all us lowly forum dwellers or "crazy conspiracy theorists". It's odd to me how he can ridicule the cabal or david icke hypothesis (bankers, industrialists, dark military and corrupt politicians ruling the world) when there is almost incontrovertible evidence to suggest it is so...while simultaneously embracing these stories (whether true or false) being fed to him by these military guys (im guessing military guys...he wont say in the interview) that offer no such evidence. It's almost as if his ego is too big to even consider the earthly conspiracy, because he feels he is beyond that now...this is the impression I get.

-in a way he's like the anti Greer. He seems to be saying all ET's are "bad". It's possible he's being played to create even more polarity in the alt media..more infighting. Tptb love absolutes and despise nuanced thinking....and here it would appear that they have created the "et good" team and the "et bad team". Now they can sit back, crack a beer, and watch the chaos ensue.

-the "chosen one" syndrome is the oldest trick in the book, and Delonge may be falling for it here. It's a favorite move of the ET's during abduction scenarios, and the military were apparently taking notes.

- I find it nearly impossible to believe that Delonge has "pitched" an idea that the military, with maybe 70 yrs of ufo experience, hasnt thought of already. Even harder to believe is that he believes he has.

-he said "consciousness" is the first line of defense against these bad ET's. ...that we can drive them away merely with a cheerful countenance. Then why is the military stealing all our money to "protect" us from them? Here we have 2 dubious statements that alone seem kinda silly....but when combined contradict each other and seem even sillier (he also said shouting the name of Jesus or Buddha will stop an abduction experience in its tracks....which is the height of naivete)

- I think the interview proves nothing but this: if you can't really discuss sensitive topics to any meaningful degree for whatever reason, it might be better to wait till you can before giving an interview. Plus, any time someone has "handlers"..run.

[Bill Ryan]

I've just listened to an extraordinary conversation between John Burroughs, Linda Howe and Grant Cameron on Phenomenon Radio. I think it's at least a week old but I caught a repeat last night. (There does not seem to be any youtube versions of Phenomenon Radio since 2015)



Excellent, many thanks. :thumbsup: Here's the whole thing (16 March 2017):


http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS031617KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Special%20Guest%20Grant%20Cameron%20on%20Disclosure.mp3

The portion you recorded starts at 1:15:34 (you actually got the last half hour or so). It's well worth listening to all of it from the beginning, and there's a ton of stuff to talk about here.

Grant Cameron and Disclosure are also linked and discussed on this thread:


The Government's UFO Disclosure Plan with Grant Cameron
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96703-The-Government-s-UFO-Disclosure-Plan-with-Grant-Cameron)




The problem with Grant Cameron is here (near the start, at 19:16 in the long 16 March interview (http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS031617KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Special%20Guest%20Grant%20Cameron%20on%20Disclosure.mp3)):


Cameron: "There are no real evil people in government."

This is what's also being spun by Tom DeLonge, who states that the military-intelligence community are 'heroes'.

It's important to note that if a disclosure initiative really is under way, this would be an essential priming of the audience to present military intelligence as a bunch of good guys presented with an unprecedented, humungous problem.

[norman]

a bunch of good guys presented with an unprecedented, humungous problem.



We'd better all flock together in the globalist fold then.

[Bill Ryan]

The problem with Grant Cameron is here (near the start, at 19:16 in the long 16 March interview (http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS031617KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Special%20Guest%20Grant%20Cameron%20on%20Disclosure.mp3)):


Cameron: "There are no real evil people in government."

This is what's also being spun by Tom DeLonge, who states that the military-intelligence community are 'heroes'.

It's important to note that if a disclosure initiative really is under way, this would be an essential priming of the audience to present military intelligence as a bunch of good guys presented with an unprecedented, humungous problem.

Cameron comes over as being excited to the point of being almost frantic, and really quite hard to listen to.

Like Steven Greer, he rejects any idea of ETs being evil, and talks in woolly terms of one-ness and consciousness (which, in my view, he knows little about). He credits Dan Smith as a kind of channel for Ron Pandolfi: but in my own experience, from back in Serpo days, Dan Smith is fantastical and absolutely not a credible source.

Cameron is adamant that 'the US President is running the show'. (OMG. What kind of researcher is he?)

He also excitedly promotes experiencer Chris Bledsoe, but never mentions the excellent abduction research by David Jacobs (and before him, Karla Turner). Researchers of the highest caliber, they each conclude quite a different story. They stress that what abductees and contactees report, earnestly and sincerely, may not be in any way what actually happened.

One of the other things Cameron is over-excited about is that there's been a drip-feed of partial disclosure for many years, and he presents this as if this was his own startling new realization: he doesn't seem to realize that we've all known and understood this for years.

My one-sentence summary: Cameron is being quite dangerous here, and has a very limited view which he sees through distorting, very rose-colored lenses.

[abmqa]

I've just listened to an extraordinary conversation between John Burroughs, Linda Howe and Grant Cameron on Phenomenon Radio. I think it's at least a week old but I caught a repeat last night. (There does not seem to be any youtube versions of Phenomenon Radio since 2015)



Excellent, many thanks. :thumbsup: Here's the whole thing (16 March 2017):


http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS031617KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Special%20Guest%20Grant%20Cameron%20on%20Disclosure.mp3

The portion you recorded starts at 1:15:34 (you actually got the last half hour or so). It's well worth listening to all of it from the beginning, and there's a ton of stuff to talk about here.

Grant Cameron and Disclosure are also linked and discussed on this thread:


The Government's UFO Disclosure Plan with Grant Cameron
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96703-The-Government-s-UFO-Disclosure-Plan-with-Grant-Cameron)




The problem with Grant Cameron is here (near the start, at 19:16 in the long 16 March interview (http://kgraradioarchives.com/Shows/phenomenon-radio/2017/PRS031617KGRA%20-%20PHENOMENON%20-%20%20Special%20Guest%20Grant%20Cameron%20on%20Disclosure.mp3)):


Cameron: "There are no real evil people in government."

This is what's also being spun by Tom DeLonge, who states that the military-intelligence community are 'heroes'.

It's important to note that if a disclosure initiative really is under way, this would be an essential priming of the audience to present military intelligence as a bunch of good guys presented with an unprecedented, humungous problem.

Listening to this now and I'm loving how Linda Moulton Howe calls him out on his evil alien stance. She is one of the best IMO.

[abmqa]

I believe as a fact that "evil aliens" exist. Given the vast possibilities of other intelligent beings existing in uncountable numbers, it is my opinion that some/many of those aliens would do harm to us as just a matter of science. If an advanced alien life form were to abduct and kill some humans beings in order to learn about them, would that make them evil? Depends on the viewpoint?

No one blinks an eye at the fact we humans test new drugs on life forms we deem as lower then humans. We kill other mammals for food. We seem to have the right to do this because we are a superior intelligence. (and love hamburgers :)

It is apparent to me that aliens have abducted many people. I feel those in control of the information on this are extremely afraid of us learning that some of those human abductions resulted in humans being mutilated (similar to cattle mutilations).

This is a third rail in UFO research. People who spoken of this have been ridiculed. Bill Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper may have been killed because he dared to speak about hearing about them finding mutilated human bodies on a recovered crashed ufo. That and his revelations about 9-11 or both, he was a problem that needed fixing.
https://archive.org/details/HumanMutilationBodyPartsFoundInAztecNewMexico

Richard D Hall has done some research on this see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsBIkhwCNVA

Richard D Hall has many other interesting videos worth a view IMO.

[Mike]

little "q and a" with Delonge. his arrogance is beginning to enrage me (david icke is nothing but a "weirdo"). i think if i saw him on the street id assault him:wink:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AngelsAndAirwaves/comments/4ebvy5/tom_delonges_ama_answers/?st=j1hasjc9&sh=d5c825a1

[Domp4547]

little "q and a" with Delonge. his arrogance is beginning to enrage me (david icke is nothing but a "weirdo"). i think if i saw him on the street id assault him:wink:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AngelsAndAirwaves/comments/4ebvy5/tom_delonges_ama_answers/?st=j1hasjc9&sh=d5c825a1
WOW! What a kook! David has done more for exposing the truth than Tom ever will with his sci-fi disinfo. I cannot and will not believe that the government are the good guys when it comes to disclosure. If it makes me close minded for completely ignoring anything that comes out of Tom's mouth.......than so be it!! Ill take decades of research over a pop punk artist looking to cash in on his new sci-fi adventures.

[BMJ]

little "q and a" with Delonge. his arrogance is beginning to enrage me (david icke is nothing but a "weirdo"). i think if i saw him on the street id assault him:wink:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AngelsAndAirwaves/comments/4ebvy5/tom_delonges_ama_answers/?st=j1hasjc9&sh=d5c825a1
WOW! What a kook! David has done more for exposing the truth than Tom ever will with his sci-fi disinfo. I cannot and will not believe that the government are the good guys when it comes to disclosure. If it makes me close minded for completely ignoring anything that comes out of Tom's mouth.......than so be it!! Ill take decades of research over a pop punk artist looking to cash in on his new sci-fi adventures.

Domp4547 I don't have time for this guy either and I am not bothering to listen to him anymore.

Tom's disrespect of David Icke, well that's just another nail in his coffin. :facepalm:

[Bill Ryan]

little "q and a" with Delonge. his arrogance is beginning to enrage me (david icke is nothing but a "weirdo"). i think if i saw him on the street id assault him:wink:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AngelsAndAirwaves/comments/4ebvy5/tom_delonges_ama_answers/?st=j1hasjc9&sh=d5c825a1

Thanks. :) Worth posting in full, I think.

Note: This Q and A was from April, 2016. But his arrogance seems undented still.


~~~



What do you believe really happened at Roswell?
Although I have not asked the Roswell question, I was told there were "numerous" crashes and we have been reengineereing the tech



So what do the aliens want then ?
I believe it has something to do with the human soul



When will humanity start to receive technology that will change our current situation?
We already have. Read Philip Corsos book. I was told it is true



Cutting to the chase, before it gets nuttso in here, there are lots of alleged types of Et's zipping around. Can you enlighten us to the who's, what's and why's specifically?
Good and Bad gods... There are multiple ones.



In other words, have they been coming here for a very long time, like prehistory long time?
yes. That is exactly right.



First question I have is, of the craft you and your partner wrote about in your book, are they confirmed craft via your handlers, for lack of a better name, or is that part of the fiction of the book and if they were confirmed were the mechanical functions of the craft as stated in the book?
That is a real craft. I believe the Skunk Works built it.



One take-away from the book is that “alien abductions” are theatrical events using advanced (reverse engineered) craft, drugs and costumes. Many abduction stories talk about genetic material in the form of semen being extracted and/or pregnancy implantation - though you don’t get into that specifically in the book (Betty and Barney Hill are brought in to imply this, I think).
Alien abductions are real, but long ago the military toyed with it as well to muddy the waters. There are adversaries here and off planet. We are playing a chess game with Russia, China and the "off planet Others". A Unified world is the one weapon we have never created, and what I offered as an idea to the General. Not that I could do it, but if that idea would be intimidating to the others.



Do you have access to, or an estimated timeframe for, the release of physical evidence? Documentation, written statements, photographs, videos, materials, etc...?
Its been happening for years. There is a current outreach program that operates in its own way.



do you believe that extra terrestrial bodies were retrieved at Roswell 1947?
Yes.



Hi tom , how can we be sure you're not a disinformer , I say that I find it strange that by defending the Masons are a seeker of truth . A big hug from Argentina .
I assembled Advisors from very specific parts of the Government, not the areas that have active counter-intel programs. Yes, Intelligence, but not couter-intel.



The book reads like corporate interests have usurped government by operating more than one black budget weapons program. Regardless of where the tech originally came from, the threat seems to be placed elsewhere?
Is the western world at war with itself via special interest groups who have the money and means to reach the stars?
No. The world doesn't get along based off manipulations of the others. And for that reason they each have advanced weaponry. Corporations are the ones building these things because of resource, skill and proprietary law.



In your OP you said "the gravity of the situation" and that for some reason stuck me. It's all about gravity isn't in? My question to you is have you seen or have personal knowledge of people that have a complete understanding of the force of gravity or any technology that is able to generate or manipulate gravity?
Yes, I was told that the ability to engineer and manipulate gravity has been created.



Who are they? Where are they from? What are they doing? Why are they doing it? According to whom? Why should we trust what 'they' claim?
They are the "gods" of the past. They may be clones, need to ask that. Well, i did, but did not get a response on that. They are interested in DNA and genetic manipulation. According to an Advisor that has no one higher than his authority in this field.



I am also curious to know if you believe animal mutilations are from an extraterrestrial source?
Animal Mutilations ARE from the UFO phenomenon. I WAS told that.



tom, i would love to be in your position, at least partially knowing things i have wanted proven my entire life. are we the only species that call earth home? do they call their home earth? are the species that you know of benevolent?
The "gods" have good and bad races. there are multiple species.



Question the second: What are you views, if any, on the man David Icke? Do you support his theories or (like many others) think he is a crackpot? I believe he makes some articulate points, personally. But, I am quite insane.
I think he's a weirdo. Sorry.



I realise that the level of specificity I have described might seem kooky, and it could be that you aren't aware of the exact circumstances I have described. But, would you say that the big guys know that there's an element of what we might call 'demonology' at play? I promise I'm not a religious nutjob, nor a fully whacked-out conspiracy theorist - I have a rational, pragmatic, agnostic approach to these things. But I certainly believe there's at least a couple of fronts in this war of stealth which revolve around the dark side, literally.
I believe it is demonic. This would make sense with my knowledge. Its not spiritual, its a normal tactile and physical species. Using advanced machinery to impose and achieve something with the human race..



So you say that you were sat down and talked to about everything you thought you knew was true about aliens and UFOs and got your mind blown away because most of it is. But when you sat and listened did they also have picture, artifacts or anything else to prove that the evidence they were telling you is true???
I was able to verify their positions within the areas they were in charge of. Just trust me if you can.



Tom..If you find the world "boring"..i respectfully suggest you are not reading enough or trying hard enough.
You are right.... I just have ADD



Any chance you can give us a bullet point summary? An overview of the massive truth regarding the UFO phenomenon?
If not, my question is- Are people being abducted? Is it by aliens? Is the US military involved?
the stories of ancient gods are true..



What if, by this point in time, Roswell has become just that, a cover up? Our entire focus as a whole is on Roswell and Roswell alone, while extraterrestrial dudes could be camping out every night in another state, or even another country. Where would you put that secret location?
A place called "RAM-SITE" in NM - yes, I believe AREA-51 was a decoy to some extent



Is there any smoking gun evidence that you have come across that we may not be aware of?
Corso's testimony was true, but read his notes- Not the book.



How does this info fit with the Greer/Bassett/Disclosure POV?
Dont follow them. They are not correct.



Tom long time fan and skeptic. Just wondering if you joined the Free Masons as an undercover operative to obtain such information or is it truly your beleif in them (the masonry) to live life in that type of aspect? Knowing you wont be able to answer this due to the "code" just give us some subliminals to help us help you if your stuck in there.
Masons are good for "free-thinking man, building a free-thinking world



Tom, Hi. You talk of the questions you have asked humans about the UFO Phenomenon, but if say you had the chance to question "Them", What would your first Question be. ?
Are you after the souls of ma



Is there any way that we will see this new technology in a near future? And where did it come from?
Look up "black triangle UFO"



Hey Tom, what are some prime examples of government technology and weaponry being adapted from any sort of extraterrestrial technology?
Lasers, most Flying Saucers, Fiber Optics, Stealth



When can we expect to see the Documentary?
later this year



Question the second: What are you views, if any, on the man David Icke? Do you support his theories or (like many others) think he is a crackpot? I believe he makes some articulate points, personally. But, I am quite insane.
I think Icke is a weirdo. I am trying to make major motion pictures that will be Internationally played and discussed. This is the biggest form of communication on the planet. But to do that we need to create a path of success with our story to get the 200 million dollars that somebody else will pay to have it made. Its hard. Art is our biggest export. If a tweet would have the same effect Id do that. People respond to films, books and events... and if it builds over time, it will be massively communicated.



I've watched some of your interviews and am very intrigued with the information you have to share. How did you manage to meet and get in with the crowd who actually knows the truth?
Its a long story of respectful pitching, not taking 'no" for an answer, and having ideas of value for their time and effort.

[Debra]

Well this transcript interview - read with eyes almost a year after first reading about delonge's claims - comes off loud and clear - the guy is a tool. Totally handled.

[The Freedom Train]

a bunch of good guys presented with an unprecedented, humungous problem.

We'd better all flock together in the globalist fold then.

Ha! As usual, your sense of humor hits home for me, Norman. Thanks for fulfilling my daily laugh quota!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74551-You-must-laugh-at-least-once-a-day

[Star Tsar]

TNIMP

Tom DeLonge Announces New Documentary With NASA & FusionTV

Published 25th April 2017

Tom has tweeted details of a new documentary in conjunction with NASA available on FusionTV in the near future.

A_LTKgL8byw

[Kevan]

Whitley Strieber talks about may 16:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/special/gods-man-war-and-reality


Thursday, April 20, 2017
Gods, Man, War and Reality
Tom DeLonge has said that he will conduct a disclosure event on May 16. But what does disclosure actually mean, and, in a larger sense, what are the visitors anyway, and would disclosure even be about aliens from another planet? Tom refused to interview on Dreamland, so Whitley explores the ideas in his book Gods, Men and War, and what they mean in the context of his own experience of living with the visitors in his life.

Don't assume that you know what this is about. It is a very unexpected journey into a new vision of mankind and what we call aliens. It goes beyond the usual notions that aliens are creatures from another planet and that there were interventions from other worlds in the past that have formed humanity and human life and, in a sense, imprisoned us.


Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/special/gods-man-war-and-reality#ixzz4fNosVMqk

[p+52]

This obviously has parallels to Steve Greer's Unacknowledged, in that this has the potential for mass appeal, although I don't recall any marketing push for this as significant as Greer has been doing for months.

See my review of the movie, Unacknowledged in the UFO topic thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97338-My-review-of-Steven-Greer-s-Unacknowledged

[Ewan]

Whitley Strieber talks about may 16:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/special/gods-man-war-and-reality


Thursday, April 20, 2017
Gods, Man, War and Reality
Tom DeLonge has said that he will conduct a disclosure event on May 16. But what does disclosure actually mean, and, in a larger sense, what are the visitors anyway, and would disclosure even be about aliens from another planet? Tom refused to interview on Dreamland, so Whitley explores the ideas in his book Gods, Men and War, and what they mean in the context of his own experience of living with the visitors in his life.

Don't assume that you know what this is about. It is a very unexpected journey into a new vision of mankind and what we call aliens. It goes beyond the usual notions that aliens are creatures from another planet and that there were interventions from other worlds in the past that have formed humanity and human life and, in a sense, imprisoned us.


Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/special/gods-man-war-and-reality#ixzz4fNosVMqk

Interesting reply found in the comments..


Whitley, I listened to this last night before going to bed and was curious about what disclosure means for Tom DeLonge. So, I typed in his name, looked at his image, then decided to see if I could have a dream about what he is going to disclose?

It is around 11PM, I am in bed, drifting off to sleep and have this image of him in my dream-eye.

Not yet dreaming BUT I see him in what looks like a theater and sitting in a balcony. He is surrounded by JAPANESE KOI FISH. The one directly to his left is orange in color BUT the Koi is sitting upright on it’s tail. There are many of these fish surrounding Tom D.

That's it. No dreams, only this one image. I woke up at around 2:15AM with this same image still in mind. https://www.123rf.com/photo_36167727_stock-photo.html
https://www.koisale.com/

Only wondering here if a picture is worth a thousand words? Something fishy/an exaggerated fish story/fish tail/tale? ONLY TIME WILL TELL.
Posted by Carollee on 21 Apr 2017 at 13:38

[Kevan]

Well, the only reason that I am interested in this DeLonge adventure is because of Peter Levenda's involvement. If there is, indeed, something "Fishy", Levenda is the one person who will immediately spot it. I trust his instincts.

[The Freedom Train]

-in a way he's like the anti Greer. He seems to be saying all ET's are "bad". It's possible he's being played to create even more polarity in the alt media..more infighting. Tptb love absolutes and despise nuanced thinking....and here it would appear that they have created the "et good" team and the "et bad team". Now they can sit back, crack a beer, and watch the chaos ensue..

Fantastic. This is just so right on to me.

[The Freedom Train]

Not trying to be a wise guy here...but ya ever notice how disclosure is always 60 or 90 days away? Or something similar? It's never like...*tomorrow*.....or even in say, a week.:)

60 or 90 days is perfect carrot dangling time. It allows one plenty of time to get unnecessarily excited while simultaneously providing just enough cushion for us all to forget it was even uttered in the first place....so we're fresh n ready for the next carrot.

I think thats been well thought out. Not kidding. I really do.

Again, so true. I have had the same feeling on more than one occasion - also pertaining to "intuitions" I have had at times about my own life, intuitions I have since chalked up to some form of tampering, be it psychotronic, or otherwise.

[muxfolder]

That Blink-182, did someone actually like that band? At that time, even I thought that was kind of fake and somehow carefully planted music and heavily pro-establishment. I just can't help but think that this guy is fraud. What's that disclosure he's talking about? Anything new on that field? Plus he has absolutely nothing new to give to the alternative community. We already know everything he says minus some details. Why would anyone believe in this guy?

[norman]

That Blink-182, did someone actually like that band? At that time, even I thought that was kind of fake and somehow carefully planted music and heavily pro-establishment. I just can't help but think that this guy is fraud. What's that disclosure he's talking about? Anything new on that field? Plus he has absolutely nothing new to give to the alternative community. We already know everything he says minus some details. Why would anyone believe in this guy?

If you're over about 23 he's not interested in you. This is cradle snatching league.

I've not been paying close attention but there was probably a certain year when public schooling completely dropped down a hole. Count the years since then and we'll have a rough guide to the age group all this stuff is aimed at.

[EFO]

It would be very interesting if would be also true.
So,today is 09 March 2017,let see what will came out until 09 May 2017 (?) .


FORMER Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge has claimed "a big announcement" in the world of alien and UFO disclosure is due in the next 60 days.
The singer-turned UFO investigator spoke after being named UFO "Researcher Of The Year" by the International UFO Congress.

In his acceptance speech he suggested there was about to be a big leap in the quest for truth over aliens.

He has been involved in a mystery project, details of which emerged when emails he sent Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta were released by WikiLeaks during the US presidential election campaign.

The emails suggested he was in talks with significant US military sources.

DeLonge has previously made wild claims, including that he has met aliens near top-secret military base Area 51.

"There’s a lot that I can’t say, but there’s some that I can, but there will be an announcement in like 60 days."

More: http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/776731/Blink-182-Tom-DeLonge-UFO-aliens-announcement-60-DAYS

Today is 28 May 2017 and nothing from DeLonge.And will be nothing.

[Bill Ryan]

Today is 28 May 2017 and nothing from DeLonge.

Right, that's over 90 days now. He originally stated it'd be 'like, 60 days' at the end of Feb. He said that in several places, on several days round then.

He may have something, of course, but this really just underscores his inexperience and naivete.

Anyone who’s been in this arena for a while knows that you don’t make announcements like that. Even with the best will in the world, there are too many uncontrolled variables.

And then people see you as dumb, or (by some) yet another game-playing betrayer.

I do think this is highly highly unlikely, but it’s just a faint, non-zero, theoretical possibility that DeLonge has been sidelined in favor of the new, Corey’s kids (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State) strategy.

Corey Goode actually has a wider (and, astonishingly, in many places less skeptical) following than DeLonge, even though what he’s selling is 1000x less rational.

It may even be that two game plans are being market-tested here. To see which one gains more traction in the young audience.

Interesting stuff. One has to see all this from the point of view of the controllers — and only then may we have a chance of understanding what’s really going on.

[norman]

I think, when considering the Corey Goode AND Tom Delonge phenomena, this is one of those ahha times when we need to twiddle that centre wheel on the mouse and zoom right back out of what we are looking at.

Like when viewing a patch of the surface of the earth in Google Earth.

Zoom out a couple a scales. It's suddenly not either or. It's a whole rat's nest from horizon to horizon. Being quite spooked by this, as I am, I'm trying to work out if I've woken up to this realisation or if I'm still asleep dreaming it. It's got quite a few of the nightmare characteristics about it and I'd rather it was a fading dream as my feet touch down on the bedroom carpet.... not the urgent phone call that woke me up.

[Bill Ryan]

I think, when considering the Corey Goode AND Tom Delonge phenomena, this is one of those ahha times when we need to twiddle that centre wheel on the mouse and zoom right back out of what we are looking at.

Like when viewing a patch of the surface of the earth in Google Earth.

Zoom out a couple a scales. It's suddenly not either or. It's a whole rat's nest from horizon to horizon.


Exactly. This only all makes sense seen from quite a great height. (And yes, it's a little scary.)

[muxfolder]

It would be very interesting if would be also true.
So,today is 09 March 2017,let see what will came out until 09 May 2017 (?) .


FORMER Blink-182 frontman Tom DeLonge has claimed "a big announcement" in the world of alien and UFO disclosure is due in the next 60 days.
The singer-turned UFO investigator spoke after being named UFO "Researcher Of The Year" by the International UFO Congress.

In his acceptance speech he suggested there was about to be a big leap in the quest for truth over aliens.

He has been involved in a mystery project, details of which emerged when emails he sent Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Podesta were released by WikiLeaks during the US presidential election campaign.

The emails suggested he was in talks with significant US military sources.

DeLonge has previously made wild claims, including that he has met aliens near top-secret military base Area 51.

"There’s a lot that I can’t say, but there’s some that I can, but there will be an announcement in like 60 days."

More: http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/776731/Blink-182-Tom-DeLonge-UFO-aliens-announcement-60-DAYS

Today is 28 May 2017 and nothing from DeLonge.And will be nothing.

Yep. And that's exactly what it's gonna be. A big bag of nothing. Or maybe it's in his next book. You know, you have to pay to get the info which turns out to be something we already knew.:cash:

[norman]

I think, when considering the Corey Goode AND Tom Delonge phenomena, this is one of those ahha times when we need to twiddle that centre wheel on the mouse and zoom right back out of what we are looking at.

Like when viewing a patch of the surface of the earth in Google Earth.

Zoom out a couple a scales. It's suddenly not either or. It's a whole rat's nest from horizon to horizon.


Exactly. This only all makes sense seen from quite a great height. (And yes, it's a little scary.)

That woman (?) who burst into action from a long dormancy and rattled the Avalon cage about Corey Goode, to the point that you posted that "Truth about Corey Goode" statement, actually did us all a big favour.

I feel a bit stupid that it took this long to see what's happening, and I feel it's very well established and not going to be easy to deal with, if it's even possible now. We are in for a long wild ride, and probably take a lot of casualties too.

Tom Delonge can talk down the significance of the Wikileak that revealed he was talking to the Clinton camp but it's a significant piece of the puzzle and shows me, with other pieces, this is a big scheme and long in the planning. I no longer wonder about how easily hackable David Wilcock was when he was being contacted from inside. OF COURSE he was being hacked. This has all been a setup. I'll even bet that David's first Penguin publishing deal for "Source Field Investigations" was part of it too.

I can't get my head around what, exactly, GAIA is. Was it a setup from day one or was it merged later ?

If all that isn't scary enough, it REALLY gets freaky when we start to throw in the Mary Rodwell work and the Hybrid acclimatisation programs I'm reasonable sure are for real.

[we-R-one]

Yep. And that's exactly what it's gonna be. A big bag of nothing. Or maybe it's in his next book. You know, you have to pay to get the info which turns out to be something we already knew.:cash:

This was another clue for me...in one of his first interviews he mentioned what he was going to divulge was a matter of 'National Security'......however it was going to require that you read 7 books to understand! Lmao....he's so outta touch with his audience...do you really think they have time to read 7 books? Many are married with kids and barely keeping their heads above water financially, they don't have time for this. And if it truly was a matter of 'National Security' we'd be briefed in a much more efficient matter.

The Wikileaks dump proved to me there's no doubt Tom is working with the 'Deep State'. And it's very revealing which companies are involved based on who his 'advisors' are affiliated with.

EDIT TO ADD: something I found on Instagram:

tomdelonge:I landed on the Tarmac, walked off the plane, and met a smart, fit man in his 60's. Never seen a Multi-Star General before.. Let alone talked to one. He led me to a table in the back of a large room. He leaned across the table and said "It was the Cold War, and we lived under the very real threat of Nuclear War every day... And somewhere in those years...We found a life-form." I said, "Sir, I need help telling young adults this story..." He said, "What do you need?"...."Advisors", I responded. "I need high-ranking Advisors in the Military, Intelligence and DOD to help guide me." So- I was given 10 Advisors, each with knowledge in different areas that pertain to UFOs and the very real National Security issues associated with them. I do wish the press would ask me about this, rather than write stupid headlines about Aliens... I have been given a gift, the ability to tell you all our biggest secret. It will come in books, feature films and documentaries. It's called SEKRET MACHINES. The first Novel is AVAILABLE at AMAZON and ToTheStars.Media

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHfcaTTg492/

[BMJ]

EDIT TO ADD: something I found on Instagram:

tomdelonge:I landed on the Tarmac, walked off the plane, and met a smart, fit man in his 60's. Never seen a Multi-Star General before.. Let alone talked to one. He led me to a table in the back of a large room. He leaned across the table and said "It was the Cold War, and we lived under the very real threat of Nuclear War every day... And somewhere in those years...We found a life-form." I said, "Sir, I need help telling young adults this story..." He said, "What do you need?"...."Advisors", I responded. "I need high-ranking Advisors in the Military, Intelligence and DOD to help guide me." So- I was given 10 Advisors, each with knowledge in different areas that pertain to UFOs and the very real National Security issues associated with them. I do wish the press would ask me about this, rather than write stupid headlines about Aliens... I have been given a gift, the ability to tell you all our biggest secret. It will come in books, feature films and documentaries. It's called SEKRET MACHINES. The first Novel is AVAILABLE at AMAZON and ToTheStars.Media

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHfcaTTg492/

WOW do you believe that?

The frontman for blink 182 has that type of pull. I'm in, (I think not). :bigsmile:

[norman]

Vanity is a very big black blob on RADAR.

it has two meanings in the dictionary.:
http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag289/mclies2/VANITY_zpsyuvxodty.jpg

[DNA]

Well, the only reason that I am interested in this DeLonge adventure is because of Peter Levenda's involvement. If there is, indeed, something "Fishy", Levenda is the one person who will immediately spot it. I trust his instincts.
Peter Levenda looks to be a seasoned occultist who it seems to me has been partnered with DeLonge so he can mold the "Gods" message in Delonge's books.
For a quick rundown of Levenda's works see my earlier post on this thread here. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1140286&viewfull=1#post1140286

[Did You See Them]

If you were hoping for Tom Delonge to announce a release date for his much-anticipated nonfiction UFO documentary, you might want to hold your breath. The only announcements we have been getting from the Delonge camp lately have been about his music and his fiction scifi empire.

Scary things out there.

https://twitter.com/tomdelonge/status/873640179071766529

Full article here:

http://www.texasufosightings.com/buzz/tom-delonge-continues-to-disappoint-ufo-community-with-unrelated-announcements

[Bill Ryan]

Today is 28 May 2017 and nothing from DeLonge.

Right, that's over 90 days now. He originally stated it'd be 'like, 60 days' at the end of Feb. He said that in several places, on several days round then.

He may have something, of course, but this really just underscores his inexperience and naivete.

Anyone who’s been in this arena for a while knows that you don’t make announcements like that. Even with the best will in the world, there are too many uncontrolled variables.

And then people see you as dumb, or (by some) yet another game-playing betrayer.

I do think this is highly highly unlikely, but it’s just a faint, non-zero, theoretical possibility that DeLonge has been sidelined in favor of the new, Corey’s kids (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97897-Dark-Journalist-A-Six-Part-Series-on-The-New-Age-Deep-State) strategy.

Corey Goode actually has a wider (and, astonishingly, in many places less skeptical) following than DeLonge, even though what he’s selling is 1000x less rational.

It may even be that two game plans are being market-tested here. To see which one gains more traction in the young audience.

Interesting stuff. One has to see all this from the point of view of the controllers — and only then may we have a chance of understanding what’s really going on.


It's pretty much 130 days now. Nothing. That has to mean something.

[CaptnNemo]

http://avalonlibrary.net/forum/Tom_Delonge.gif

The plot thickens!!:gaah:

[Flash]

http://avalonlibrary.net/forum/Tom_Delonge.gif

The plot thickens!!:gaah:

I am mistaken or does he now have the same general look of Corey Goode?

Oh, and it is past 130 days and nothing happened, you are the cause of the delay Bill, don't you know, your followed up on the avian fakes looking for truth, it made their coming much harder (sarcasm about Delonge and Goode)

Have you noticed that Norman, a bit further up, wrote zoom out a couple a scales most probably unconsciously lolllllll How appropriate!!


Zoom out a couple a scales. It's suddenly not either or. It's a whole rat's nest from horizon to horizon.

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a really interesting new Mel Fabregas interview with Peter Levenda, the co-author of DeLonge's latest book.

Among much else, Levenda talks about the Ancient 'Gods' (i.e. visiting advanced beings from elsewhere), and a LOT of fascinating material about Nazi technology and what they might and might not have been able to do. Recommended.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cynOKub_-dM

[we-R-one]

FYI- Last night George Knapp of Coast to Coast AM stated Tom DeLonge was going to be on his show in the next couple of weeks and will be discussing the delay of his announcement. Keep your eyes open for the interview.

[Adam Greenland]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZm7UY9g1mk/

Seems to be interviewing another face for his documentary here, although I can't work out who it is.

Any ideas?

Apparently he made a post saying 10/11 that was taken down immediately.

[Kevan]

At last:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inside-knowledge-about-unidentified-aerial-phenomena_us_59dc1230e4b0b48cd8e0a5c7

[CurEus]

delonge 's post in FB just a few minutes ago" Broadcasting October 11

"Thank you all for waiting for an announcement that is literally 2 years in the making.

I have assembled a team of insiders that I believe can possibly change the world. All are current consultants to the US Gov on National Security Matters, and some literally left days ago from the Department if Defense to join me in this initiative. Fmr. High Ranking Government Officials and Senior Intelligence Officers from CIA, DOD, and also a Chief Engineer (Director of Advanced Programs) from Lockheed Martin’s the Skunk Works have come together aiming to BUILD A REVOLUTIONARY TECHNOLOGY for the world, research the unknown and finally tell the “story of the millennia” through Feature Films.

NO ONE GOVERNMENT, INDIVIDUAL OR INSTITUTION should own what can truthfully help the world. We all can own it together. To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science is allowing a group of those who are interested to join us on day one."

His website has a considerable amount of information to review. I am happy to discuss with others as this unfolds.


https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/

[section9]

Allow me to don my skeptic’s hat right about now.

[CurEus]

EXCLUSIVE LIVE BROADCAST EVENT
October 11th
9:00 AM PST/12:00 PM EST

To The Stars & Tom DeLonge presents…

An initiative mobilizing the brightest minds from within the top-secret shadows of aerospace, science and the Department of Defense.
Watch and hear about how we plan to bring transformative science and engineering to global citizens and support breakthrough research, discovery and innovation that can benefit humanity.

Facebook and broadcast links
https://tinyurl.com/y8svcmqg

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Something extraordinary is about to be revealed. Former high-level officials and scientists with deep black experience who have always remained in the shadows are now stepping into the light. These insiders have long-standing connections to government agencies which may have programs investigating unidentifed aerial phenomena (UAP). They intend to move into the private sector and to make all declassified information, and any future knowledge, available for all to see.

The team includes a 25-year veteran of the CIA’s Directorate of Operations; a Lockheed Martin Program Director for Advanced Systems at “Skunk Works”; a former deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence; a DoD Senior Intelligence officer who, among other sensitive responsibilities, ran a Pentagon aerospace “threat identification” program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies. And well placed and experienced professionals, from Intelligence and high academic positions, are also on board ― please see information on the Team for reference as you read.

What is going on here? Is this the beginning of some sort of trend towards a new openness on the part of the U.S. government? These people know more than any of us do, so the question of their motivation is fundamental.

It all started with award-winning platinum recording artist and producer Tom DeLonge, whose bands Blink182 and Angels & Airwaves sold over 25 million records in the 1990s. Tom spent many years studying UFOs, and essentially left his previous lucrative career to devote himself to this pursuit, using his own personal income and resources to set up an entertainment company called To The Stars (TTS). It had the goal of disseminating information about UFOs, consciousness, the paranormal and other unexplained mysteries through artistic pursuits such as fiction and non-fiction books, feature films, and television productions.

Most importantly, while doing so, Tom was gradually able to establish relationships with flag officers and other highly placed insiders in the aerospace industry, intelligence, the Department of Defense and NASA. These independent sources provided him with information about the UFO phenomenon and worked with him to develop a plan for the incremental release of this information through TTS, which would be particulary geared towards reaching younger audiences.

Like many others, I was astonished at Tom’s ability to win the trust of these impressive advisors, who at first wished to remain anonymous yet obvioulsy believed that this information belongs to all of us. I talked to Tom and found him to be serious, passionate, very sharp, articulate and highly motivated to find the truth. I understood how he was able to engage this group - he did his homework, worked very hard, was sincere, and knew how to conduct himself when meeting such people. Early on, Tom allowed me to speak with one of his advisors, which helped me understand more about his effort.

Then, in late 2016, Wikileaks published a number of Tom’s emails to John Podesta, which revealed the names of some of these sources. Among his advisors were two generals: one was a commander of the U.S. Air Force’s research laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and responsible for managing the Air Force’s $2.2 billion science and technology program; the other was the Special Assistant to the Commander of Air Force Space Command at Peterson Air Force Base. As devastating as this was to some, it established for those who doubted him that Tom was indeed telling the truth about his high level contacts.

Tom’s plans for TTS were delayed at this point, but he persevered. Subsequent delays have been out of his control, but everyone involved agrees with the necessity for a gradual release of information. “I think they really do want us to know. I really do think they do. I do, at this point, feel like it’s going to be a tough thing to swallow for people and I think there are elements about it that people are not ready for,” Delonge told George Knapp, the chief investigative reporter for KLAS TV in Las Vegas and weekend host of Coast to Coast AM.

Fast foward to the present. Now, these early advisors have mostly receded to the background and Tom has moved on to something even bigger. He has assembled a new team of collaborators and created The To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science (TTS/AAS), for which he is President and interim CEO. The Academy includes three synergistic divisions: Science, Areospace, and Entertainment. The Public Benefit Corporation is seeking to serve the public good through exploring “the outer edges of science and the understanding of phenomena,” and making all of it public.

On Wednesday October 11, at 9:00 AM PT and 12:00 PM EST, the team will launch the new initiative at an event to be live-streamed from Seattle. Tom will introduce his colleagues and explain the intentions and purpose of the new company, and its need for public support. To tune in, or to watch it aftewards, click here.

According to a TTS /AAS statement, it’s team members who have been “operating under the shadows of top-secrecy for decades” believe that “there is sufficient credible evidence of UAP that proves exotic technologies exist that could revolutionize the human experience.” The Science divison will conduct the research, which will also include consciousness, engineering space-time, brain-computer interface, genomics, and creating a database of supranormal experiences. Aerospace will apply the science to create “next-generation energy and propulsion concepts for transportation and spaceflight that could forever change movement across land, water, air”, and Entertainment will offer “informative storytelling that provides insight into the journey and provokes curiosity in the profound yet unresolved mysteries of the world.”

On Oct. 4, I had the privilege of sitting down with Jim Semivan (TTS/AAS Vice President Operations), Harold Puthoff (Vice President Science and Technology), Christopher Mellon (National Security Affairs Advisor) and Luis Elizondo (Chief of Security and Special Programs) for a four hour meeting in Washingon DC. (I have known Hal Puthoff for many years, and worked with Chris Mellon previously for another HuffPost story.)

Hal Puthoff, who has spent over five decades publishing papers and advising government agencies on leading-edge technologies, explained that “these days, science fact is outstripping science fiction. We scientists are beginning to take seriously such ideas as warp-drive spaceflight right out of Star Trek, the high probability of extraterrestrial intelligence, and the realization that most of what will constitute the science of the future is well beyond our present comprehension. Given that the observation of anomalous aerospace phenomena in our skies might, in principle, incorporate elements from all three, it’s an irresistible challenge beckoning to be addressed.”

At the meeting, I was given information on background and shown some revelatory documents and data off the record, some of which will eventually be made public. I was especially curious to meet Luis Eiizondo because he ran a program at the DOD involving the study of anomalous aerial threats. Luis had resigned this position literally the day before we met. I was able to verify who he was and what his tasks were at the Pentagon. He received the highest commendatons from his superiors. I learned that important unclassified data and documentation is expected to be released through the Academy’s on-line Community of Interest (COI) in collaboration with the US government, which will be set up soon.

Luis told me that among several portfolios he managed, he found the issue of unexplained aerial threats and related phenomena to be particularly interesting and perplexing. “Unlike the other efforts that many people in the Pentagon knew I was associated with, the topic of aerial threats was a much more limited audience that few had any idea I was part of, with the exception of a select few individuals,” he said.

I asked him if these unidentified objects were considered to be threats. “They did not exhibit overt hostility,” he said. “But something unexplained is always assumed to be a potential threat until we are certain it isn’t.” I find it highly significant that Luis Elizondo is moving from this Program buried within the DOD into the private sector. “From our observations, my opinion and that of others is that the phenomenon is very real. On the bright side, I believe we are closer than ever before in our understanding of how it operates,” he told me.

Following the meeting, I spoke to Stephen Justice (Aerospace Division Director), who recently retired as a Program Director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin after a thirty-one year career in the Skunk Works. “How dare we think that the physics we have today is all that there is,” he said, referencing this as an important message he learned from his father. “Let’s pick at those boundaries and figure out what we don’t know. Let’s remove the artficial constraints, the assumptions we’ve applied to things, and look for opportunity.” The opportunity here, as he sees it, is to “stand in the future and look back.”

Regarding UAP, he told me that since so many smart, credible people have seen them, he has concluded they must be real. “That means it can be done - these unusual flight characteristics can be done. So how do you do it? I want to dig into how you do it. It can be done!”

For example, one objective is to harvest the technology to build a vehicle that will allow for almost instantaneous travel through land, air, oceans and space, by engineering the fabric of space-time. Such a vehicle could also float, like something from science fiction. Steve says we have had glimpses of the science that could make this possible. It is not outside the realm of possibiity, if the necessary resources are in place.

Everyone I spoke to has some kind of unique relationship to or profound interest in “the Phenomenon” (UAP), and their own sense of a path forward. Jim Semivan joined the CIA in 1983 and retired after twenty-five-years. “I have come to realize that the Phenomenon is curiously multifaceted, exasperatingly complex and appears to exist both in our consensus reality and in another unknown space,” he wrote in an email to me after we met. “Perhaps, if we are very lucky, someday we may understand its ultimate purpose.”

Jim states that the planet seems to lack an organization that has the necessary funds to explore the Phenomenon in any detail and for a sustained period of time. “TTS/AAS hopes to raise enough money through its public offering and through expected profits from its entertainment and aerospace divisions to fund research into the Phenomenon and related exotic technologies for global consumption. Imagine a global, transparent, research organization tackling ideas that most scientists today will not entertain for fear of ridicule, involving young scientists from around the globe.”

I now understand the strong argument for taking this work out of government, where the priorites are different, funding is not available, and where this topic is such a hot potato that no one wants to touch it. Personal ideology and even religious fundamentalism lead to ridicule and efforts to suppress these investigations. We all know the limitations of the current system, even though some on the inside have worked hard to change that.

Chris Mellon served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence for two administrations and early in his career drafted the legislation that established the US Special Operations Command at a time when terrorism was not yet on the radar. He sees similarities between that and the present situation in terms of a lack of awareness of a major problem and a need for change.

“This is another case in which the system will not repair itself and people outside of government need to take action for breakthroughs to occur. This team has the skill set to process information others avert their eyes to and turn it to the advantage of the nation and the world.”

For many Americans, the US government is the only entity that can speak authoritatively on these issues. That will need to happen eventually if the current stalemate is to be broken. But does the movement of this knowledgeable, well-connected group out of the official world into a public company mean that government is beginning to relent? Who else might be waiting in the wings to participate? Could this endeavor be a catalyst for greater government openness?

The inspiration, the vision, and the excitement about the possible breakthroughs that this new venture offers are infectious; the intentions are of the highest order. Accomplishing the task is a mammoth - but it can be done. The TTS Academy intends to release game-changing information of the type interested people have been seeking for a long time. “The fact is, we might not necessarily be alone,” Luis Elizondo says. “Now is the time to move forward and try to answer some of life’s deepest mysteries.” This is not going to happen if we stick with the status quo.

[section9]

I’m somewhat sympathetic, but this is kind of what Grant Cameron has been going on about.

[Bill Ryan]

The site for the live broadcast:


https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com

There's one of those slightly dramatic live countdown clocks, which has now just passed 17:00:00. (That's hours, mins and secs till the broadcast.)

[CurEus]

I am not a "fan" of Tom De Longe musically or disclosure wise but I have read through his website and he seems to have his points made out to be quite clear with some fairly strong people on his leadership team.

I doubt I could do much better. It may go nowhere.......but it could stir things up enough that something useful happens. Good luck to him!!

[Bill Ryan]

It really is pretty interesting.

They mention Electrogravitic Propulsion on the same page as showcasing


"a team of the most experienced, connected and passionately curious minds from the US intelligence community, including the CIA and Department of Defense, that have been operating under the shadows of top-secrecy for decades".

I speculated a few months ago about the two competing disclosure groups, both aiming to target the millennials. This may be DeLonge's big move.

(The other is the Gaia TV/ Jay Weidner/ Corey Goode/ David Wilcock camp. If it's a competition for the same audience, the presence on stage of a bunch of high-level military and aerospace people, all 100% real, may have quite some effect. :) )

[Matthew]

I’m somewhat sympathetic, but this is kind of what Grant Cameron has been going on about.

I tried to get the gist of Grant Cameron but ..phew it will take a while. I did find this YouTube interview where at 46m 11s Cameron starts to talk about this subject for about five mins.

YouTube 46m 11s quick link
Grant Cameron interviewed by Whitley Strieber, Dreamland Aug 11, 2017
https://youtu.be/8tSwqySXv98?t=46m11s

[section9]

It really is pretty interesting.

They mention Electrogravitic Propulsion on the same page as showcasing


"a team of the most experienced, connected and passionately curious minds from the US intelligence community, including the CIA and Department of Defense, that have been operating under the shadows of top-secrecy for decades".

I speculated a few months ago about the two competing disclosure groups, both aiming to target the millennials. This may be DeLonge's big move.

(The other is the Gaia TV/ Jay Weidner/ Corey Goode/ David Wilcock camp. If it's a competition for the same audience, the presence on stage of a bunch of high-level military and aerospace people, all 100% real, may have quite some effect. :) )

The gist of one Twitter commenter is that when you have this assembly of retired Heavy Hitters, it’s a bit like Controlled Disclosure. Nothing is happening that the Three Letter Crowd don’t want to happen, and any release of information will be in a controlled environment. It’s also out of the hands of the Corey Goode folks, who clearly are at an end to their usefulness.

Cameron, for his part, has been saying that the decision had been made to start rolling things out, but in a measured and controlled way.

It is possible, however remote, that the forced removal of Harvey Weinstein (and perhaps others in future) through the convenient media exposure of his past activities with women is a part of the beginnings of the roll-out of the media campaign that Cameron spoke about, only some seats at the table had to be rearranged before the Government felt comfortable in going ahead.

[FictionLReality]

I am not a "fan" of Tom De Longe musically or disclosure wise but I have read through his website and he seems to have his points made out to be quite clear with some fairly strong people on his leadership team.

I doubt I could do much better. It may go nowhere.......but it could stir things up enough that something useful happens. Good luck to him!!

Well John 'Skippy' Podesta seems to be a FAN https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/917869274387173376 :confused:...... ahhh no confusion.... it's the cults MO the worlds greatest liars... deception ! Faaaack them

[WhiteLove]

Guys like John Podesta and Nick Pope have commented on twitter about a big announcement to be made...

Huffingtonpost has published an article about it, the article begins like this:

"Something extraordinary is about to be revealed."

Inside Knowledge About Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Could Lead To World-Changing Technology (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/inside-knowledge-about-unidentified-aerial-phenomena_us_59dc1230e4b0b48cd8e0a5c7)

Comments on Twitter (https://twitter.com/nickpopemod/status/917922804539932673)

PRG Press Release 10-12-17 (http://www.paradigmresearchgroup.org/Press_Release-10-12-17.htm)

Countdown to live stream and live stream available here (https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/)

[KiwiElf]

From Leslie Kean no less! Interesting :)

[WhiteLove]

From Leslie Kean no less! Interesting :)
________________________

:)

[we-R-one]

There was a short interview where Grant Cameron discussed 16 groups being involved in the slow drip disclosure movement Remember? Obviously Tom and Co. Is one of them. Some others that seem to fall in line, Corey and Co., Star Wars series, Avatar is working on a huge project, check out Dan Brown's recent Origins novel...I suspect a huge blockbuster film about that one, and I would rule out The Divergent Series being included. Last I heard the 3 part movie is slated to be a t.v. series. Sorry I'd post links to make this more interesting, but I'm on a small tablet and don't have time till I get back in town.

I meant to email Grant and ask about revealing the groups before I left, but ran out of time...might be interesting if someone took the time to do this.I don't remember him naming any in the video.

[Mike Gorman]

I will certainly be looking at the broadcast, it represents something tangible, the work of Colonel Corso all those years back had to refer to something I can understand quiet cynicism, we have been disappointed before!
Who knows we could be on the verge of something big here?

[sunwings]

A big Invest button on the front page. $200.00 Minimum. :cash::cash::cash::cash:

In 7 hours we will find out what we could be investing in....:silent:

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[mountain_jim]

I am not a "fan" of Tom De Longe musically or disclosure wise but I have read through his website and he seems to have his points made out to be quite clear with some fairly strong people on his leadership team.

I doubt I could do much better. It may go nowhere.......but it could stir things up enough that something useful happens. Good luck to him!!

Well John 'Skippy' Podesta seems to be a FAN https://twitter.com/johnpodesta/status/917869274387173376 :confused:...... ahhh no confusion.... it's the cults MO the worlds greatest liars... deception ! Faaaack them

The commenters at that link are roasting Podesta, indicating this will not divert their attention and awareness from the pedogate situation.(sorry off topic)

[section9]

To borrow a word used often by our host, discernment is always a welcome ingredient of any reception the Altermative Community May have to these events.

[mountain_jim]

I’m somewhat sympathetic, but this is kind of what Grant Cameron has been going on about.

I tried to get the gist of Grant Cameron but ..phew it will take a while. I did find this YouTube interview where at 46m 11s Cameron starts to talk about this subject for about five mins.

YouTube 46m 11s quick link
Grant Cameron interviewed by Whitley Strieber, Dreamland Aug 11, 2017
https://youtu.be/8tSwqySXv98?t=46m11s

I have really appreciated listening to this while reading up on some of the folks mentioned within this talk this am in prep for the event. The centrality of consciousness, interconnectedness of the ONE, and non-locality being central to understanding all this resonates with my experience.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Grant Cameron has an interesting perspective on this, he is saying that the MJ-12/control group/whatever you want to call them have been floating different types of "disclosure balloons" (not his words) and see what flies best. On one hand, Dr Greer says that all ETs are basically benevolent and the greys are clones controlled by the bad humans. And on the other hand (he says), DeLonge is saying that basically ETs are bad and the brave military guys have been heroically fighting them off (although secretly, so as not to worry us). Cameron is not (as far as I understood) taking either side, he's clear that this is all part of a long term program.

So we can wait and see what DeLonge's announcement is. My guess is that for sure it will not be complete disclosure, there will be some agenda there.

One interesting aspect is that Peter Lavenda seems to be working with DeLonge, he did an interview on Veritas that I caught part of - Lavenda is a serious guy, credible researcher, I don't think he would caught up so easily in this if there wasn't at least some reality to it.

Anyway. Don't get caught up in the drama. For sure there's enough of that at the moment, and there will be plenty more (manufactured and real) in the future.

[Mike Gorman]

Really, is that his position, that our military have been fighting off potential 'invaders'? Seems unlikely to me that they would all be hostile, more like they offer a narrative which subverts the dominance of the power bloc here on Earth, the people who used to own the mass media, the so-called 'elite'; they aren't working for our benefit that's for sure!

[Humanbean]

Project Bluebook for the 21st century; a way of co-opting public fascination with the subject.

[panpsych]

Interesting to note the language in Delonge's closing statement of the presentation
https://t.co/2V6LAYDfyz


This may be one of the only times in history you'll ever see one of the biggest aerospace engineers in the world, a senior intelligence officer from the CIA, two former senior Pentagon officials and an experimental physicists from the DoD take a giant leap of faith to tell you something. And I ask that you listen very carefully:

Intimating to the audience that we're being given an opportunity that we only have a finite window of time to take.


These guys really went out on a limb here. The only way to do this is if we do it in the public realm, and the only way to bring it out to you is if you help us.

All of the forthcoming opportunities will be placed out in the shop window of plain-sight, and we must invest in order to realise them.


We're offering you the opportunity to be on the ground floor of building the future."

Emphasising the point that you need to take responsibility for your involvement in order for them (i.e. those who've stepped out of the shadows) to play ball with us.

It all sounds very much like a reformulation of the chivalric (in the archaic sense) fair-game that the "Management" like to play when they want to make a reshuffle.

[uzn]

Just a handful of empty promises, nothing new. No new pictures, no new witnesses, no new tech, no new clips, no new revelations. In this regard thanks for nothing so far, Tom DeLonge.
But keep mentioning your entertainment, new movies and new merchandise.

And Tom if you ever invent some cool time-tech, please give me back the 5 minutes i wasted with your talk.

[Helvetic]

This is probably part of the soft-disclosure program.

There was an interesting comment from Steve Justice, retired Program Director for Advanced Systems from Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs.

Quote: "One of the things we must do is challenge ourselves to stand in the future and look back to the present, thats the key to breakthroughs, thats the key to changing life as we know it."-Steve Justice, retired Program Director for Advanced Systems from Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs

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To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science - Live Broadcast

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[CurEus]

(https://www.facebook.com/officialtomdelonge/videos/1615320648490268/)I'm enthusiastic at how they have crafted their message and their work. It IS exciting... their message is clear.

No one else ( government or business) is going to do it for us so let's do it ourselves.

Kudos to Tom and team

Here is his 40 minute presentation FWIW

https://www.facebook.com/officialtomdelonge/videos/1615320648490268/

[muxfolder]

Just a handful of empty promises, nothing new. No new pictures, no new witnesses, no new tech, no new clips, no new revelations. In this regard thanks for nothing so far, Tom DeLonge.
But keep mentioning your entertainment, new movies and new merchandise.

I agree 100%. Please prove me wrong the following is not going to happen:
This will be another big bummer for the alternative community. Just another psyop. They’ll need all the money so please prepare to donate some of yours. Even 1$ is fine. It's only for the benefit of the mankind.

[KiwiElf]

This appears to be related; for context, read all 4 parts, but the interesting bit is Part 4... we will see... ;)

https://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1220-vegas-meta-analysis

EXCERPT:


Anonymous (ID: vy3Y5hFc) 10/06/17(Fri)15:34:53 No.144280649

The [coming] “storm” Trump’s refered to isn’t Vegas itself.

I confirm 100% that a MUCH larger event was planned/thwarted by (((them))).

[It] was done to DIVERT TRUMP AWAY FROM declassifying/ releasing “the storm”.

[This "storm" is] a series of classified info that admin will disclose publicly on 3 different but HUGE, socially controversial topics.

(((They’ve))) already delayed this TWICE.

I’m not saying they f--- with the weather – think what you will BUT, they DID exploit the hurricanes/devastation to their advantage, by wrapping him in so much red tape re: resource distro/allocation, services/duty assembly/deployment, etc.

Hence the “storm” reference was a “f--- you” to McCabe, Kelly, Tillerson, Pompeo, McCain, Ryan, McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, etc....

While the MSM distracted concerned public/Trump, it kept in him check as they geared up for Vegas. It’s a “miracle” it didn’t work.



Anonymous (ID: vy3Y5hFc) 10/06/17(Fri)16:13:16 No.144284358▶>>144284702 >>144285031 >>144285208 >>144286053 >>144289607

I will confirm that the 3 disclosures have been discussed and vetted thoroughly, for the last several months, here.

Ok, fine… and while “pizza” is on the menu, it’s not one of the 3 pending releases. Not in the way you want it to be.

It will be discussed and Hollywood specifically will take a MASSIVE HIT in the very near future.

Harvey was the first low-hanging takedown, so just imagine how high-level this will go.

But I assure you, while Hillary, the Clinton campaign/staff, Obama admin, establishment (both parties) and DNC as related to election fraud, etc. will eventually fall for epic crimes, you’ll never see Hillary in an orange jumpsuit for actual pizza.



Anonymous (ID: vy3Y5hFc) 10/06/17(Fri)16:23:53 No.144285418

The MSM and public will only be given a few hours of notice on the day of each series of Presidential addresses, and will NOT be given details or talking points in advance....



Anonymous (ID: vy3Y5hFc) 10/06/17(Fri)16:35:50 No.144287016▶>>144287696 >>144287771 >>144288850

The goal is that when it’s all said and done, there will be no room for question, when it comes to the people.

He won’t have to disclose **** like 9/11, OKC, Vegas, Voter Fraud, Russia hacks or collusion, elections rigging, etc. specifically.

When he’s done, it will be a literal “mic drop” on the world’s stage.

No one ever again will have the ability to question who’s responsible for, involved coordinating, etc. ANYTHING that has ever happened and been considered a “conspiracy theory”, ever again.

When he’s done, the entire world will just KNOW IT ALL. It really is THAT all-encompassing.

Like Trump says, “you’ll see”. It just has to happen. We cannot be derailed. Ever again.

[Gemma13]

It really is pretty interesting.

They mention Electrogravitic Propulsion on the same page as showcasing


"a team of the most experienced, connected and passionately curious minds from the US intelligence community, including the CIA and Department of Defense, that have been operating under the shadows of top-secrecy for decades".

I speculated a few months ago about the two competing disclosure groups, both aiming to target the millennials. This may be DeLonge's big move.

(The other is the Gaia TV/ Jay Weidner/ Corey Goode/ David Wilcock camp. If it's a competition for the same audience, the presence on stage of a bunch of high-level military and aerospace people, all 100% real, may have quite some effect. :) )

https://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1220-vegas-meta-analysis?showall=1&limitstart=

IN PART TWO:


Over the years, insiders revealed to me that our elites have a "Secret Space Program," or SSP, which is far greater than most of us could ever imagine.

I am not saying we should accuse anyone in DeLonge's team of holding back. Some disclosure... any disclosure... is better than nothing.
I have also said for many years now that there are plenty of good people in the defense and intelligence communities who want to do the right thing.

If DeLonge wants to bring me on his team -- and I know at least two people with direct access to him -- I will gladly lend them my support.

At the same time, I would share what I know with the team, which may go much farther than anything they could disclose on their own.

I am sure some of my insiders, including Pete Peterson and Corey Goode, would gladly step up and be of service as well.

A Full Disclosure scenario is an enormous "learning curve" for our existing civilization to take in. It can take years just to become familiar with the basics.
I first started putting the pieces together thanks to the Camelot whistleblower Henry Deacon, who originally came forward to Camelot in September 2006.
As soon as he popped up, I established communications with Camelot to trade insider info and gain access to Deacon, which began in 2007.
IN PART ONE:

Beginning in 2007, I then met a variety of new insiders through Project Camelot, which began posting full-length interviews at the dawn of YouTube.
This was back when it was nearly impossible to get an account that would allow you to upload videos longer than 11 minutes.

Kerry Cassidy had gotten the coveted Producer's Account that allowed for videos of any length to appear, thanks to her background as a film producer.

Some of the Camelot videos were getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of views at the time. There was almost no competition in those days.

My debut interview with Pete Peterson appeared in a Project Camelot video that was uploaded on September 4th, 2009, as one example.


Going by Wilcock’s invitation to Delonge they’re not partners . . . so still competitive for the younger generations via their social media entertainment campaign rollouts.

Delonge has to have explored Gaia, Weidner, Wilcock, Goode, et al. Weidner is a David Icke supporter. Delonge thinks he’s a weirdo. Just one silly conflict of interest there but Delonge has hooked up with verifiable military/gov’t officials vs “experiencers” so definitely may soon be “out in front and running easy” with his campaign.

I agree that keeping a keen bird’s eye view of the bigger picture MO is what is needed.

[Mike Gorman]

I think it is obvious that this is a controlled exercise. Much more is already known, and being acted upon than they are choosing to reveal. This is a PR campaign which is barely honest.

[Callista]

Live with Linda Moulton Howe on Tom DeLonge and To The Stars Academy Presentation

Here is Linda's take on the To The Stars Presentation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJcCbwxv4Wg

[ExomatrixTV]

all uploaded on 11 October 2017:

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[ExomatrixTV]

~is Jordan Sather jealous? QJaNPlhmdSM

[KiwiElf]

Is it just me, (& the intentions are great), or was that an announcement of absolutely nothing that we didn't already know? (...& they intend to crowdfund something which the Cabal has already fleeced the American Public billions - if not trillions of dollars - to reverse engineer ... and they want more)?

Sorry to be the kid who called out the "Emperor is wearing no clothes...". (and he's got a small willy to boot!). What a joke! Do people have ANY idea what it costs just to develop the next new Honda Civic? (anti-grav NOT included) :facepalm:

:bs:

[ExomatrixTV]

Fmr. Manager of DOD Aerospace Threat Program: “UFOs are Real”
10/11/2017 02:24 pm ET




Something extraordinary was revealed today. Former high-level officials and scientists with deep black experience who have always remained in the shadows came forward on one platform. These insiders have long-standing connections to government agencies which may have programs investigating unidentifed aerial phenomena (UAP/UFOs). The team (https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/#the-team) includes a 25-year veteran of the CIA’s Directorate of Operations, a Lockheed Martin Program Director for Advanced Systems at “Skunk Works”, and a former deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.

Today marked the official launch of To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science (https://www.tothestarsacademy.com/) (TTS/AAS) an innovative Public Benefit Corporation which will advance research into unexplained phenomena and develop related technology. It has established three synergistic divisions: Science, Areospace, and Entertainment. “We believe there are discoveries within our reach that will revolutionize the human experience,” says company President and CEO Tom DeLonge. Please see my previous story (http://huffp.st/Tzv5ahG),- released yesterday - for background on today’s announcement which was live-streamed and is archived on the company website.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/59de61522d00007e08309cc9.jpg?ops=scalefit_820_noupscale
Today’s launch of the TTS/AAS
According to a TTS /AAS statement, it’s team members who have been “operating under the shadows of top-secrecy for decades” believe that “there is sufficient credible evidence of UAP that proves exotic technologies exist that could revolutionize the human experience.”

This could represent the beginning of a trend towards a new openness on the part of the U.S. government. These people know more than any of us, and they will be releasing important data on UAP in the future. As an investgative reporter with a long standing interest in this subject, who has worked with a few Academy team members in the past, I was shown some of this data at a meeting with them on Oct 4.

Present for that four hour meeting was Luis Eiizondo, who ran an important program at the DOD. Elizondo is a senior career intelligence officer whose experience includes working with the U.S. Army, the Dept of Defense, the National Counterintelligence Executive, and the Director of National Intelligence. He served as the Director for the National Programs Special Management Staff in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. He is also the former Director of Programs to investigate Unidentified Aerial Threats for the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

“Lue will architect partnerships with some very sensitive places, to help protect us and the technology involved, so we may achieve for you the extraordinary,” DeLonge said at today’s event.

Lue had resigned his position at the DOD literally the day before we met. I was able to verify who he was and what his tasks were at the Pentagon. He received the highest commendatons from his superiors. I was told that important unclassified data and documentation are expected to be released through the Academy’s on-line Community of Interest (COI) in collaboration with the US government, which will be set up soon.

I asked him if these unidentified objects were considered to be threats. “They did not exhibit overt hostility,” he said. “But something unexplained is always assumed to be a potential threat until we are certain it isn’t. On the bright side, I believe we are closer than ever before in our understanding of how it operates,” he told me.

At the event today, Elizondo explained his work this way: “I am accustomed to being involved in close-hold, nuanced programs involving national security. This includes being a Counterintelligence Special Agent, a case officer, and intelligence practitioner. However, by far the most interesting effort I was involved with was the topic of Advanced Aerial Threats.”

He stated that he ran “a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified aerial technologies.” His job at TTS/AAS will be “to work as a liaison and interlocutor in the collection of this information for the Science division, allowing us to collect facts for analysis.” How will this be done? One way is through the COI, which will “provide a platform for the detection and triangulation of phenomena events in real time, and allows two-way communication between the public and our team regarding this information.”

As a result of his position managing the DOD program for almost a decade, Lue said “I learned that the phenomena is indeed real.”

In short, less that two weeks after leaving the Pentagon, Luis Elizondo confirmed that UFOs are a real; they exist, and they have been officially documented. Can anyone argue with this fact now, given where this man comes from and what he knows?

A former high ranking DOD official - who only left his position last week - has confirmed that an official UFO Program exists, answering a question so many have debated and speculated about for decades.

It is very important to understand that Lue does not speak for the DOD, since he is no longer employed there; he speaks independently as part of the TTS Academy.

Lue also stated: “We are also planning to provide never before released footage from real US Government systems...not blurry, amateur photos, but real data and real videos.” And even more significant: “We are inviting our Government colleagues and friends in Defense to participate regularly with their own findings.”

Another member of the team, Stephen Justice, an experienced aerospace engineer, explained that he will use scientific disoveries about the travel of UAP through space, demonstrating almost unimaginable technology, to develop technology that can change the world. Steve recently retired as a Program Director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin after a thirty-one year career in the Skunk Works. “How dare we think that the physics we have today is all that there is,” he told me in an interview a few days ago. The opportunity here, as he sees it, is to “stand in the future and look back.””

Steve’s objective is to harvest this advanced technology to build a vehicle that will allow for almost instantaneous travel through land, air, oceans and space, by engineering the fabric of space-time. Such a vehicle could also float, like something from science fiction. Steve says we have had glimpses of the science that could make this possible. It is not outside the realm of possibiity, if the necessary resources are in place.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/59de56cb200000f515086458.jpeg?ops=scalefit_820_noupscale © 2017 Stephen Justice
A TTS Academy concept for a vehicle drawn by Stephen Justice, embodying the technology they seek to understand and develop - a visionary concept for a revolutionary electromagnetic vehicle based on technology observed in unidentified aerial phenomena
TTS Academy member Chris Mellon served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence for two administrations, and early in his career drafted the legislation that established the US Special Operations Command at a time when terrorism was not yet on the radar. He presented an overview of a 2004 incident involving the battleship USS Nimitz which was detected on two separate radars.

“Two F-18s approach, the four aviators see that the object has no wings or exhaust — it is white, oblong, some 40 ft long and perhaps 12 ft thick”, he said. “One pilot pursues the craft while his wingman stays high. The pilots are astonished to see the object suddenly reorient itself toward the approaching F-18. In a series of discrete tumbling maneuvers that seem to defy the laws of physics, the object takes a position directly behind the approaching F-18.”

The lengthy event occurred in broad daylight off the California coast, and gun camera footage was taken. At one point the object went from hovering at 80,000 feet to dropping at supersonic speeds, and came to a complete stop at 50 feet above the ocean. “More F-18’s are dispatched but with similar results,” Mellon stated. “The secret machine easily evades the F-18s. Dozens of military personnel aboard the various planes and ships involved are privy to these interactions.”

Tom DeLonge’s final message today sums up the position of all involved: “No one person, one government, or one hidden institution should own this information and technology.”

The TTS Academy intends to release game-changing information of the type interested people have been seeking for a long time. “The fact is, we might not necessarily be alone,” Luis Elizondo says. “Now is the time to move forward and try to answer some of life’s deepest mysteries.”

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~is this related?

Nikola Tesla's Surprising Connection to Donald Trump:

http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/nikola-tesla-predicted-hillary-clintons-nomination-and-has-a-surprising-connection-to-donald-trump

http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-death-ray-border-wall-trump-2017-2

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[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Kiwi, I agree.

But really, the civic and the internal combustion engine is your example? That design team for your new civic is all cosmetic tweaks. New colors, new bumpers, new shape. All so they can charge a premium for the same product - and so that parts from one model year do not fit other year vehicles. That's what they use the bulk of their brain trust for - to find ways to jack up the price without costing more in production. It is extremely wasteful, and is one of the primary reasons I say that we pay ten times more than we should for virtually every item in the market place.

Every bit of publicity for this subject is a good thing. It is time to change the masses' mind set - instead of immediately rejecting the alien presence outright, they may just consider the data with an open mind if enough of it is put in front of them to consider. Preponderance of data is itself a proof, mediocre perhaps but on the road to solid proof.

[KiwiElf]

I would agree that great things start with small beginnings - my point was, why reinvent the wheel? (I guess some Ben Rich quotes might be relevant.... like "an act of God..." ;)). IF it brings some pressure on the "Elite" to disclose what they already have, great! (Actually, a Honda Civic is a good example, as they plan to go electric, ie the technology already exists. By comparison, what do you think it would cost to develop a "vehicle" which will do what they are claiming?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wade says about $200,000,000 (for the basic FE device for the home). A small drop in the bucket of defense spending in any advanced country.

[KiwiElf]

Good, but conservative, guess - that might just cover the prototype... and cost per unit? (... I'm playing with you :)) They're not going to make it for free. These guys make it sound like we need to develop it from scratch, as if the "Cabal-made secret versions which already exist", aren't even there... if this is soft disclosure, I sincerely wish them luck (and lots of $$$$ - they're going to need it ;))

[Sunny-side-up]

Is it just me, (& the intentions are great), or was that an announcement of absolutely nothing that we didn't already know? (...& they intend to crowdfund something which the Cabal has already fleeced the American Public billions - if not trillions of dollars - to reverse engineer ... and they want more)?

Sorry to be the kid who called out the "Emperor is wearing no clothes...". (and he's got a small willy to boot!). What a joke! Do people have ANY idea what it costs just to develop the next new Honda Civic? (anti-grav NOT included) :facepalm:

:bs:

I think this was meant as a Funny-Sarcastic example as to mow much even the simplest of things cost to make or even remake.

[KiwiElf]

Is it just me, (& the intentions are great), or was that an announcement of absolutely nothing that we didn't already know? (...& they intend to crowdfund something which the Cabal has already fleeced the American Public billions - if not trillions of dollars - to reverse engineer ... and they want more)?

Sorry to be the kid who called out the "Emperor is wearing no clothes...". (and he's got a small willy to boot!). What a joke! Do people have ANY idea what it costs just to develop the next new Honda Civic? (anti-grav NOT included) :facepalm:

:bs:

I think this was meant as a Funny-Sarcastic example as to mow much even the simplest of things cost to make or even remake.

LOL Yup! :ROFL::yes4: :ufo: :focus:

[Builder]

This is together with Goode/Willcock the culmination of everything that's wrong in this field :-(

Media psyops combined with money making.

[KiwiElf]

Related thread here... maybe these need to be merged? :idea:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?100168-To-The-Stars-Academy-introduction-UFO-Tecnology-to-the-Masses-11-October-2017&p=1185031#post1185031






Mod note from Bill: Yes, done. :thumbsup: All this does belong together, because of the history.

[Bill Ryan]

A couple of points noted from https://tothestarsacademy.com:


Brain-computer interface technology - Explore new approaches for the use of sophisticated technologies to promote direct brain to computer interfaces.



Telepathy - Explore the location in the brain where this phenomenon is centered, and develop protocols for its enhancement and use.


1) Brain-computer interfaces may be coming, but, OMG, this has to be handled with as much wisdom as the human race can collectively muster. I'm not at all encouraged that this is mentioned here like something from Barnum and Bailey's Circus. Omnisense may comment here. :)

2) Telepathy is far more than a mere brain function. Hal Puthoff knows that full-well. There needs to be the recognition of the spiritual component here, or else this is just more sensationalized fancy-science materialism.

Hal also knows that military remote viewing has years ago been enhanced (note that word) with drugs, electronics and hypnosis. This is NOT NOT NOT the way to go.

So far, I'm totally unimpressed. Straight-on disappointed, in fact. This is just glitzy commercialism, with entertainment and $$ shamelessly embedded. Watch for the T-shirts, beer mats, and coffee cups to come soon.

[Adam Greenland]

This is the entertainment from his company before the apparent backing of some higher ups.
This was self-financed and it's an artsy lonely astronaut flick.

The ending however(from about 60m30s), is very 2001, but seems to point to a Saturnian cube or black knight orbiting the earth and storing everything that ever happened.

I wonder if this is what caught the insiders' attention?

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[KiwiElf]

A couple of points noted from https://tothestarsacademy.com:


Brain-computer interface technology - Explore new approaches for the use of sophisticated technologies to promote direct brain to computer interfaces.



Telepathy - Explore the location in the brain where this phenomenon is centered, and develop protocols for its enhancement and use.


1) Brain-computer interfaces may be coming, but, OMG, this has to be handled with as much wisdom as the human race can collectively muster. I'm not at all encouraged that this is mentioned here like something from Barnum and Bailey's Circus. Omnisense may comment here. :)

2) Telepathy is far more than a mere brain function. Hal Puthoff knows that full-well. There needs to be the recognition of the spiritual component here, or else this is just more sensationalized fancy-science materialism.

Hal also knows that military remote viewing has years ago been enhanced (note that word) with drugs, electronics and hypnosis. This is NOT NOT NOT the way to go.

So far, I'm totally unimpressed. Straight-on disappointed, in fact. This is just glitzy commercialism, with entertainment and $$ shamelessly embedded. Watch for the T-shirts, beer mats, and coffee cups to come soon.

You can add me to that, Bill (See my post #197 on previous page or #204 above) - even more curious is that LMH would give her support?

Dr Steven Greer has already;

1. Publicly exposed what's really going on, in terms of the bigger picture, &
2. Attempted, unsuccessfully, to crowdfund FE technology on a similar premise

What will these guys be taking as a salary? (I wouldn't "invest" them a dime!)
:facepalm:

[TomKat]

When DeLonge was on Coast, a caller asked him if he was in the Illuminati. He said he doesn't talk about that, but then said the Illuminati are doing good things such as putting in central banks in every country...

[Bill Ryan]

When DeLonge was on Coast, a caller asked him if he was in the Illuminati. He said he doesn't talk about that, but then said the Illuminati are doing good things such as putting in central banks in every country...

Well. :facepalm: That really does say it all.

Is there an audio of that somewhere?

[norman]

Oh goodie, an illuminati central bank in every country. Not many left to go now. Can't wait.

I want to spout a tirade of personal verbal abuse at Delonge right now.

Says it all, indeed.

Keep in mind 100 million CD sales didn't happen just by jammy good luck. He's surely been up to his neck in it for years. It's not like they were a genious band or anything legit like that.

[KiwiElf]

This video questions if Delonge is a Freemason, (01:58) to which he answers "possibly"...:
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...and a YT search provides several C2C videos which may confirm the above - is going to take a while to go through them... (search phrase: tom delonge coast to coast) - so far most are dated around March of this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX6zpxddB2Y

EDIT: This video discusses both Greer & his recent video, UNACKNOWLEDGED & Delonge - the comments below are "interesting"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMK33aV9jU0

[TomKat]

Still trying to find it. As I recall, it was a question put to him by George Knap based on a message from a listener.

[KiwiElf]

Any idea of the time frame/date of the interview, TomKat? (cool, we can eliminate any vids which aren't George Knapp ;))

[TomKat]

Here's the clip I was thinking of. It's Knapp who equates the Freemasons and Illuminati in his questioning -- not DeLonge. But he doesn't correct him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF1UHDPh4Io

unfortunately, this clip cuts off before he mentions the good things the Freemasons are doing re setting up central banks. Unfortunately it's too old to download the MP3s from Coast.

[TomKat]

The youtube was uploaded in Sept of 2012, and the only prior Knapp/DeLonge interview I could find was 18 Dec of 2011. I'm guessing that's where the clip came from.

[KiwiElf]

No worries TomKat. Delonge's excuses for decorating his guitars etc with Illuminati symbology are equally telling; it's like wearing T-Shirts with a Swastika or which say "I hate whites/blacks" [pick your message] - "but I only wear it because I like the artwork"... Riiiiiite ;)

Further searches indicate his interest (& promotion) of the Illuminati for quite some time... :thumbsdown:

[Harley]

The Commercialization Of Space Isn't In Space At All.

It's Right Here On The Internet.

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(IMO)

[findingneo]

It does surprise me sometimes, how folk can take a few things, and consider it worthy of discrediting a whole theme of things. I would not be here, in this forum, if I spent so much time, throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It is a very "blink"ered (s'cuse the pun) way of looking at things. Every medium or high profile person has someone else with something to say about their integrity. It does not mean they are bad to the bone. Who knows what their agenda might be, for sure? And how much real information might be in what they reveal?

Being a (lower level) Freemason, does not make you a bad person, just as having knowledge of the unseen world, make you a Scientologist. Looks like he has a sympathetic side for the Illuminati going by the above comments, regarding his comments about the Illuminati putting central banks in every country. Ok, so that means you be very aware of what sort of support he might be getting, and ask "why"? Does it mean everything he is about and reveals will be a lie? I very much doubt it.

I watched that short bottom clip above from KiwiElf that included both Steven Greer and Tom De Longe. In it, it mentioned Tom's song "Aliens' Exist". Everyone jumps on Tom's possible link to Freemasons and the Illuminati, which is quite probable I think, but why is he willing to trade in a very successful career in the pursuit of this cause, uncovering the truth about the ufo phenomenon? Has anyone listened or looked at the lyrics of "Aliens Exist"? If we can jump to conclusions about the above, why not mention this song? Sounds to me, like a big clue to the answer as to why he might be so interested in answering questions about the ufo phenomena, is in his song. Is he writing about himself? Sounds like it to me. Why is something like that overlooked? I expect because we all have preconceived ideas on what the answer will be, so we fill in the blanks accordingly, without listening to all the possibilities.

Tom's last line in the lyrics of that song BTW is
"Twelve majestic lies"
Sounds to me, like he is trying to work it all out like we are.

[KiwiElf]

And maybe some folk shouldn't put "words - or misinterpretations - in other people's mouths" ;)

[findingneo]

Your comments are fair enough KiwiElf, I was just using the video you shared for information, not directing it at your comments. :bearhug:

[Gemma13]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89951-Tom-DeLonge-and-Sekret-Machines-Is-Disclosure-Going-Mainstream&p=1146282&viewfull=1#post1146282


Hi tom , how can we be sure you're not a disinformer , I say that I find it strange that by defending the Masons are a seeker of truth . A big hug from Argentina .

I assembled Advisors from very specific parts of the Government, not the areas that have active counter-intel programs. Yes, Intelligence, but not couter-intel.

Tom long time fan and skeptic. Just wondering if you joined the Free Masons as an undercover operative to obtain such information or is it truly your beleif in them (the masonry) to live life in that type of aspect? Knowing you wont be able to answer this due to the "code" just give us some subliminals to help us help you if your stuck in there.

Masons are good for "free-thinking man, building a free-thinking world

[Bill Ryan]

Has anyone listened or looked at the lyrics of "Aliens Exist"? If we can jump to conclusions about the above, why not mention this song? Sounds to me, like a big clue to the answer as to why he might be so interested in answering questions about the ufo phenomena, is in his song. Is he writing about himself? Sounds like it to me. Why is something like that overlooked?

Not significant. The song was released in 1999 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enema_of_the_State). DeLonge has been interested in and reading about the subject for many years, but only became involved with the military-intel apparatus comparatively recently.

[findingneo]

Why do you say that this song, "Aliens Exist" not relevant please Bill? Yes, Tom has been interested in the subject for many years. Song writers often write about themselves don't they? Often personal experience drives a passion for answers in this field, doesn't it?. Experiences that happened way before they come out with it? I just don't get how it is not relevant.

[findingneo]

I am not saying the military side, or others, won't have an influence, that would be silly. If you get on a plane to go somewhere, everyone is not on the plane for the same reason, they all get different things out of the destination. That's all.

[HaveBlue]

I tend to agree with the more clinical skeptics here and Tom Delonge is really only riding the coat tails of Steven Greer who has warned Tom D that he is being used and psyopped. The Cabal could be doing a divide and conquer so we the 'ufers' side with one or the other, preferably Tom D and empty our bank accounts in their favour while we are about it.

Both sides may even be genuine and mean what they say. But having retired, ex employees from skunkworks etc... is not a lot of use when you need access to all the cool state of the art machinery to ever hope to build anything. I doubt very much that the ex employees will be allowed to just waltz on in in the weekends and use the workshops the way we could at engineering places I have worked at (if we were lucky).

More concerning to me is the 'Entertainment' side of this effort was put forward as being what the public will and should focus on. I just hope it is for the right reasons as to me that spells 'distraction'.

Personally, I am far more interested in the engineering side of it, the schematics, physics and maths of it all, despite expecting to not understand much of it. at least to begin with. But anyone genuinely interested is going to put the effort into learning what they need to so they can understand it. We should at least be able to try and make sense of it.

That said, thank you to Tom for at least trying to get something done and revitalizing the subject matter. I did enjoy learning about the UFO incident in 2004 involving the carrier USS Nimitz. And a huge thank you to Steven Greer for his huge efforts going back decades. And also Bill R and anyone else, many of who are Disclosure Project witnesses who have put effort, time and money into it so I am being able to learn about this facinating subject.

This thanks is despite what any of us may think of these people personally. We do, IMO owe them respect and thanks for what they have done,
But still, I will wait and see for a while before I rush to my paypal to 'donate' at least $200, (besides not having $200 there even if I wanted to, but that is not the point!) That is mere speculation akin to gambling, as opposed to say, the value I have already have had from places like this one, Avalon, where I am yet to contribute financially, but do intend to when I can afford to.
( I don't want my elderly parents to hurry up and die just so I can get a decent chunk of money sooner rather than later, but that is my present reality when one or both does inevitably 'move on'. And when it does, I will treat every dollar with the utmost respect it deserves. (It is likely to be well before Sean David Morton is released from prison! (sorry, I just had to have a dig since I was on that subject of mining OPM) (other peoples money)

In the meantime, fingers crossed that this is real and grows some legs after the initial cynical stage that many of us feel, and I myself am part of. (the oxymoron and paradox is not lost on me, I just don't have funds to throw away lightly) We will follow this one carefully I'm sure.

[KiwiElf]

Was actually just adding to what you said Findingneo - it was a general comment, like "baby & the bathwater" :bearhug: :)

I'd also add, in a situation like this, we must all be aware of the old but very true aphorism;

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" or alternatively, "Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works".

I've met many well-intended people/researchers, who are also well studied in the subject of UFO's and "a coverup" generally, but completely oblivious of the Illuminati/Cabal, SSP, reverse engineering, MK Ultra, psyops, or that there was any other UFO crash apart from Roswell and a host of other related subjects. But my feeling is that "integrity" and "Illuminati" don't fit well together in the same sentence. I guess that brings me to yet again another old saying;

"A little knowledge, (...especially in this field), can be a very dangerous thing." :)

[panpsych]

Agreed that scepticism is a good default position until we see some evidence. In my view, this smells like a highly managed black state focus group posing as a public interest corporation.

[Speculation]: They'll likely continue to offer the public this pro-US Superman narrative about black-budget secrecy as the only game in town if we want any kind of disclosure. Note this sets disclosure up such that it's completely on their terms and, in order to reach the dangling carrot, we're required to buy-in to that narrative. Given that we literally have to invest in this biased story to see any results, even if they do present some real technology in the end, we're required to become complicit/take some responsibility for their insidious actions for the last 70 years. "If you hated the secrecy-tree so much, why do you have 100 shares in its fruit?" springs to mind.

If the public don't adequately invest, the whole project will simply be washed away by the tide of plausible deniability ("who was this rock star thinking he was going to build a space ship with a bunch of bitter former security officials?"

Seems like a win-win for those in the driving seat.

[findingneo]

Sure KiwiElf. Who specifically do you think fits into that category when you are referring to,

"A little knowledge, (...especially in this field), can be a very dangerous thing." (?)

Tom?

[KiwiElf]

No findingneo - his audience - Perhaps we should look at the intended target audience, and the primary platform on which the presentation was delivered - my feeling at this time, is that it wasn't intended for folks like us; more aimed at people out there who would find the presentation to be quite a revelation and are generally speaking, not knowledgeable or even particularly interested in "UFOs". - Just a thought :idea:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I lost most of my interest and nearly all in my faith in DeLonge when, in an interview last year I think, he was asked what his opinion of David Icke was. His answer, a lunatic (or a word similar). It indicated to me that he didn't actually know all that much, and what he did know (or believe) was tilted heavily to only one narrow agenda - an agenda he, as poster-boy, was being paid or set up to promote and publicize.

To what end, who knows, but for me it closely aligns with that dark, insidious movement Transhumanism. It is something they trying to push hard at the moment




A couple of points noted from https://tothestarsacademy.com:


Brain-computer interface technology - Explore new approaches for the use of sophisticated technologies to promote direct brain to computer interfaces.



Telepathy - Explore the location in the brain where this phenomenon is centered, and develop protocols for its enhancement and use.


1) Brain-computer interfaces may be coming, but, OMG, this has to be handled with as much wisdom as the human race can collectively muster. I'm not at all encouraged that this is mentioned here like something from Barnum and Bailey's Circus. Omnisense may comment here. :)

2) Telepathy is far more than a mere brain function. Hal Puthoff knows that full-well. There needs to be the recognition of the spiritual component here, or else this is just more sensationalized fancy-science materialism.

Hal also knows that military remote viewing has years ago been enhanced (note that word) with drugs, electronics and hypnosis. This is NOT NOT NOT the way to go....

Massive red flags here, completely agree Bill!

I don't know how to explain this. But I have this gut feeling, a basic but all-encompassing knowingness, that this is the wrong way, the contradictory way to natural evolution. What I am sensing is, it is an artificial (in other words, technological) means to 'cheat' human evolution, and human awakening, because it bypasses the spiritual.

We can achieve abilities like telepathy naturally, but it has to be in precise lockstep with our spiritual progression. It must go hand in hand with integrity, true-heartedness, and fidelity of consciousness. To attempt it technologically will supress, dampen, nullify, and overwrite all that - none of it would be necessary.

Natural development will end, and spirituality will be destroyed. Who will care about the spiritual component of connectedness, telepathy, even telekinesis et al, when we can use the springboard of technology to get it? Who will care about any aspect of spirituality, when technology becomes literally God?

Humans must earn its growth and awareness, not accelerate it with artificial means. That leads always to disaster. However, I can see why 'they' would want to accelerate it, because by using technology they can own it and control it, (and monetize it, weaponize it, etc)...

[findingneo]

Certainly. Transhumanism, connecting the brain to computers is giving away an individuals sovereignty, no doubt about it.

[KiwiElf]

Having been in advertising/marketing most of my working life, I'm always a little weary of sales pitches offering "shiny new objects" which don't as yet, actually exist -

Does anyone remember this? (... and who wouldn't want one - whatever it is?)

36268

If you know what it is... don't tell ;) - I'd like to hear from someone who doesn't know what it is - consider this a working experiment in perception :)

[swoods_blue]

I appreciate having this thread to reflect on this announcement. The previous few posts have me thinking a lot about the Star Wars universe, and the tech-savvy pyramid-structured Empire facing off against a ragtag, nature-loving Rebellion -- where the two sides fight to control various bits of hidden knowledge.

My feeling is that this is a very "controlled" sort of disclosure.

TPTB are working hard to unwind the programming they put in place to get people to scoff at and dismiss any/all discussion of UFO/alien topics as fringy weirdo mumbo-jumbo. The past 15 years of History-channel-type "documentaries", which have popularized these ideas, was preparing the ground. This past period cultivated the idea of plausibility of an alien presence (both ancient and present) without proving anything. Breadcrumbs were left, but proof was always elusive.

Now, it looks like DeLonge & Co. are working to legitimize electro-gravitic tech as something other than science-fiction. But that does not mean their agenda has been fully revealed. It seems like they want to bring forward technologies which current science says is basically impossible, and perhaps the who's-who on that stage are there to get a cohort of influencers -- like news editors, academics, et. al. -- to reconsider these ideas and give them credibility. To get them to say, "maybe not ALL of these people are totally crazy. Maybe there's something to this!" Then the products can be rolled out according to the same sorts of advertising and propaganda principles perfected on Madison Avenue.

After all, the vehicle being chosen is a public-interest corporation, which presumably is hoping to profit. And while they'll sell shares, it's the same top-down corporate structure that's been in place for a long time. The technology can have positive, transformative effects, but I presume all the recently tightened intellectural-property laws will protect the power structures being created here.

[findingneo]

This site has been around for years right? With all the critical analysis of everyone else's ideas, has anyone, at all, here on Avalon come up with a hypothesis as to what the bigger picture might be if there is not support for what Tom is saying is happening regarding the ET/Ed phenomenon? Thanks in advance.

[norman]

This site has been around for years right? With all the critical analysis of everyone else's ideas, has anyone, at all, here on Avalon come up with a hypothesis as to what the bigger picture might be if there is not support for what Tom is saying is happening regarding the ET/Ed phenomenon? Thanks in advance.

I think you'll get a lot of different answers to this.

My version is that the human race, and probably other species too, are someone else's project.

The really depressing part of my theory is that whoever is doing it is probably really only interested in our genetics, not us as living specimens.

That kind of explains why we don't live very long and also implies that we are frequently tested to destruction.

[KiwiElf]

Having been in advertising/marketing most of my working life, I'm always a little weary of sales pitches offering "shiny new objects" which don't as yet, actually exist -

Does anyone remember this? (... and who wouldn't want one - whatever it is?)

36269

If you know what it is... don't tell ;) - I'd like to hear from someone who doesn't know what it is - consider this a working experiment in perception :)

No takers? I guess I'm doing a lousy sales job. I'll see if I can wet your appetite::sun:

In a nutshell & according to the manufacturer's very slick sales promotion brochure... (you can buy shares in the company!!!!!!):

It will cruise at over 300 mph, take off & land vertically out of your driveway, is completely safe & computer controlled; all you do is get in, start it up, & "tell" it where you want to go, and it will take you there. No license required because it is essentially a self-flying/driving robot. Price? About the same as you'd pay for a luxury European car... and,.. it will get 21 mpg (on a variety of fuels), and take you 750 miles before you have to gas up.

REALITY:
It's a fibreglass mockup; a well-intentioned & real concept, with no engines, a very impressive dashboard complete with working computer displays... and it was first wheeled out at expo's and car shows almost 30 years ago. 100+ million dollars later, many shareholders, and that still isn't enough to get it off the ground. 30 years ago the technology didn't (publicly) exist to even make it possible. It exists now (only just), and computer simulations, wind tunnel tests, RC models have proven it will work.

It's not anti-grav, it certainly won't do anything like what Delonge's vehicle will do, but it is a genuine, gigantic leap in people-carrying tech, combining the virtues of a car, helicopter & airplane.

The technology is real and it exists NOW. So why isn't it being produced and available?

Money, (lots of money...) competition, politics & vested interests.

The cost to develop and certify a very ordinary airplane these days is several times more than that 100 million development cost to date. In fact, that wouldn't even cover the cost of developing a new & very ordinary car.

This "vehicle" is a toy compared to what Delonge is offering. Crowdfunded? Well this thing was partly crowdfunded.

30 years later? Zip. Nada. NOTHING. (sorry, I lie, you can get T-Shirts, models, merchandising... and a lot of promises that it will be available "soon" - but they said that 30 years ago, too).

Perhaps that puts my earlier posts to the uninitiated in perspective. ;)

[Bill Ryan]

http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/bd/f8/284852683593349309/i284852689411327225._szw1280h1280_.jpg

If you know what it is... don't tell - I'd like to hear from someone who doesn't know what it is - consider this a working experiment in perception

Yes! I knew exactly what this was, OMG (the Moller Skycar), so I dutifully stayed quiet. :silent:

It's never flown — or gone anywhere at all. :)

:focus:

But yes, there are clear analogies here.

[KiwiElf]

A prototype was successfully hovered several times (but it didn't look as cool as this one!) The tech is real, as is the intention, but at a guess, a cool $billion would be needed to get it working. Moller's biggest problem is a lack of money, bad publicity (or propaganda...) and promises he can't keep. There are extraordinary hurdles to overcome - and Delonge & team will face similar hurdles - beware of "shiny new objects" :)

For anyone interested, thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75828-Where-s-My-Flying-Car-Hold-On--Paul-Moller-s-Skycar-Is-Coming-TechFuture

:focus:

[Adam Greenland]

I'm 100% sure the lodge picture in that video is fake, but he has been flouting masonic symbols with his Angels and Airwaves band from the get go, and it really ramped up in 2011.

Aren't the masons, illuminati two different entities? I know a lot of the general public think they're one and the same.

Wasn't it Hoagland who said the masons are the good guys?

[Adam Greenland]

Saw the comment about Aliens Exist lyrics.

This is a song from his band Angels & Airwaves called Behold A Pale Horse...


And when the time is right
It's gonna change the world
And with the darkened sky
There is nothing fertile
And there is no more love
Or f*cking gates of pearl

I see the seven stars
I see the seven stands
I hear the deathly voice
I count the sins we have
I am the living one

I am the first and last

And they know who we are
The seven angels sing
And several billion die
With the earth shaking
Yeah they know who we are
And they will set us free

The crowds, the noise
The change of the guard
It's such a strange celebration
Kids, they laugh as fire it eats up the world
It's such a strange celebration
All our eyes are burned by heaven and earth
It's such a strange celebration

[Adam Greenland]

I'm not sure how known this is or if it was mentioned in this thread, but DeLonge and Greer have history...

This is 26 yo Tom talking about working with Greer around the time of the Disclosure Project.

The second story is an alien in the Pentagon, which could be the guy with the encounter story from the Academy launch?

heUCtu_fq18

This is DeLonge at the peak of his fame, talking about having Greer's tapes, tetrahedral physics and the SSP.

[KiwiElf]

Hmmmm... he also wrote songs about having sex with his dog,... and sister,... and a few other unsavoury things. To be fair, that was Tom Delonge of yesterday... his interest in this project, I'm sure is genuine. But is he just being used, a bit naive or knows something we don't? (... and many other possibilities - maybe too early to tell ;))

[Harley]

This site has been around for years right? With all the critical analysis of everyone else's ideas, has anyone, at all, here on Avalon come up with a hypothesis as to what the bigger picture might be if there is not support for what Tom is saying is happening regarding the ET/Ed phenomenon? Thanks in advance.

I think you'll get a lot of different answers to this.

My version is that the human race, and probably other species too, are someone else's project.

The really depressing part of my theory is that whoever is doing it is probably really only interested in our genetics, not us as living specimens.

That kind of explains why we don't live very long and also implies that we are frequently tested to destruction.

Great question findingneo, and an even greater answer norman!

Research into Human evolution tends to show that it has not been a 'natural' evolution as compared to other life-forms on this planet.

One hypothetical anology for this (Bill! :)) is that the Human Race may have been created as a Grand Experiment that was supposed to be allowed to develop on it's own in-order to discover how it my evolve naturally, but possibly someone else came along and 'Stole the keys' to the project (so to speak) and has been manipulating Human evolution (for their own agendas?) ever since.

This hypothesis makes as much sense to me as just about anything else I've either heard or read.

Enter these words Transhuman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhuman) and Transhumanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism):


Transhuman - a being that resembles a human in most respects but who has powers and abilities beyond those of standard humans. These abilities might include improved intelligence, awareness, strength, or durability.

Transhumanism - an international intellectual movement that aims to transform the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellect and physiology.

And then read the Top Ten Transhumanist Technologies by Lifeboat Foundation (https://lifeboat.com/ex/transhumanist.technologies) Scientific Advisory Board member Michael Anissimov. (https://lifeboat.com/ex/bios.michael.anissimov)

Read the entire list, but remember each concept is not a Stand-Alone and they all can be merged together (and eventually into one?).

Now here is a current news article that applies to No. 8 on the list - Gene Therapy/RNA Interference and also appears to combine aspects of some of the other concepts of the same list:

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NASA Considers Altering Astronaut DNA For Mars Mission
(https://www.rt.com/news/406123-nasa-mars-radiation-dna/)

9 Oct, 2017

NASA wants to manipulate the DNA of its astronauts headed to Mars to protect them from cancer-causing cosmic radiation.

NASA plans to send its first manned mission to Mars between 2030 and 2040 but still faces a number of obstacles before then.

The Mars-bound astronauts will be exposed to high-energy particles and NASA is looking at ways to repair the damage this would do to their DNA. This could include actually altering the astronauts’ genes and genetic activity.

When humans travel beyond the Earth’s magnetic field for prolonged periods, they are exposed to charged atomic nuclei that can rip through DNA and increase the risk of both cancer and dementia.

According to a 2014 study on space radiation risks, astronauts would be exposed to levels of galactic cosmic ray radiation that would exceed their lifetime limit – within just two years. Astronauts headed to Mars would be exposed to radiation for at least this time period.

The astronauts could have armor or an electromagnetic force field to protect them, but this is not very practical, Douglas Terrier, NASA’s acting chief technologist, told the Times.

“We’re looking at a range of things, from drug therapies, and those seem to be quite promising, to more extreme things like epigenetic modification,” Terrier said. “I think those have a lot of ethical consequences so they’re still in the experimental thought stages.”

Epigenetic modifications would involve altering the way genes are read without changing the actual DNA code. This would be achieved by altering chemicals that control gene volumes so their activity could be silenced or amplified in a given situation.

Genes could also be changed to boost the cell resilience. This way, cancer and radiation-related issues could be prevented from developing.

The spaceship to Mars would be run by a “strong” artificial intelligence program that could identify diseases and direct robotic surgery, Terrier said. This is necessary because of the 20-minute delay in communicating with Earth.

The 100 million-mile journey to Mars could be sped up with the use of sun-powered ion thrusters which the space agency is developing.

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I have a feeling this current iteration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iteration) of Human doesn't have a whole lot longer to go.

Note: Mods please post this elsewhere if you feel it doesn't apply here. :)

[Foxie Loxie]

It would seem they have already been doing all these things since WWII....we have just not had knowledge of it, so now it is to be "mainstreamed"? Those of you who have been more "in the know"..... Maybe some Insider's Insider would have some answers for us! :facepalm:

[Magnus]

A couple of points noted from https://tothestarsacademy.com:


Brain-computer interface technology - Explore new approaches for the use of sophisticated technologies to promote direct brain to computer interfaces.



Telepathy - Explore the location in the brain where this phenomenon is centered, and develop protocols for its enhancement and use.


1) Brain-computer interfaces may be coming, but, OMG, this has to be handled with as much wisdom as the human race can collectively muster. I'm not at all encouraged that this is mentioned here like something from Barnum and Bailey's Circus. Omnisense may comment here. :)

2) Telepathy is far more than a mere brain function. Hal Puthoff knows that full-well. There needs to be the recognition of the spiritual component here, or else this is just more sensationalized fancy-science materialism.

Hal also knows that military remote viewing has years ago been enhanced (note that word) with drugs, electronics and hypnosis. This is NOT NOT NOT the way to go.

So far, I'm totally unimpressed. Straight-on disappointed, in fact. This is just glitzy commercialism, with entertainment and $$ shamelessly embedded. Watch for the T-shirts, beer mats, and coffee cups to come soon.

Indeed, that is my interpretation as well!

[Magnus]

Celebrity or not, DeLonge may be an Illuminati wannabe. I have my own ideas about the Bavarian "Illuminati" as of 1776 vs modern times "Illuminati".

[sunwings]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaMzyE8gQ7o/?hl=en&taken-by=tomdelonge

A twitchy nervous Tom, just announced the next stage is to release hi-def videos of UFO´s and also they are going to declassify thousands of documents.

This is what we were all expected in the beginning.

watch the space...:fans:

[KiwiElf]

Sounds promising :) - declassified (for the first time ever) military hi res videos no less (and YES - that's what I was originally expecting)