Experiencers, witnesses in ufo abductions and all things paranormal, please read

[thepainterdoug]

I am already a believer in much of the above, so don't gang up on me. However, If I wanted to compile a list of the best tangible credible evidence of anything regarding these subjects above, to show and help bring others along who yet believe, what would you submit?

[ponda]

You could possibly use crop circles as some type of evidence.

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/interface2005.htm

[Bluegreen]

I would suggest the extensive testimony of Sgt Clifford Stone. Start anywhere and go from there.

"I was born a Roman Catholic and I'll die a Roman Catholic. It's all about spirituality."
- Clifford Stone

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[thepainterdoug]

ponda/ yes i would certainly go there. ty

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yes/ I included Clifford in my Whistleblowers art project. www.dougauld.com/whistleblowers

[boja]

Animal Mutilations are tangible evidence.

[thepainterdoug]

Rich Hall on Richplanet has a chilling presentation on that subject. Yet I believe many people would still write that off as government experiments and such.

[Agape]

I am already a believer in much of the above, so don't gang up on me. However, If I wanted to compile a list of the best tangible credible evidence of anything regarding these subjects above, to show and help bring others along who yet believe, what would you submit?


I'm sorry to tell you this much @thepainterdough as you're a 'well known , profiled and supported personality' on this forum, Bills good friend I presume
but most importantly you proved your-self already by painting all those beautiful people ..
and I'm but one of 'your witnesses' , with meagre 2 or 3 interviews out there and do not mean much either to your friend Bill Ryan or this specific community ..

no matter of what I do mean to the 'cause' in real world , here the debate is very limited to people who keep documenting their life style and research meticulously and making themselves available on internet pages , to internet friends over years ..


So you know I'm also quite involved in the above question probably much longer than anyone present here including founders of this forum,
more specifically and urgently since big ET encounter in 2002 for me but the question you are rising is VERY OLD

and needs to be studied by you deeply and approached with some cautions, if you ask .

It's not and never will be a matter of raw, simple minded argument between yes and no and someone getting angry .

The problematics of ET encounters and their technologies is fairly subtle and complicated and unless there're scientists willing to invest their research to specific cases and open minded thinking of the cutting-edge kind rather than leaving 'ET contact cases' in hands of armchair researchers, village shamans who go to trance as they did for thousands and millions years already and predict the future of the crops with pendulums or other such devices in hands ,
till any of your researchers and witnesses ( BOTH ) think it's that simple ..

there'll be only more confusion coming out about the subject, more conspiracy theories , more nonsense .

Presuming someone submitting 'supportive evidence' over the internet resulted already in many hoaxes , predictions of all kinds ,

without investigating real cases you can't get far and know what you're talking about here or what's possible.

Pardon me for being so blunt but I think it's rather straight and fitting , if you so ask about truth.

And off the record , I can also relate to you how terrified is the professional community including the academics , including some high profile ufo researchers of dealing with real time cases and data,
if they start suspecting it may be for real . They flock much more around people who are actually , fantasising a lot - with seed of truth perhaps - and are horrified to deal with the same thing in reality because those who had been there know it is slightly dangerous , and 'it' took good few peoples lives away already .

Oh but this is just internet forum . I know .

:sun:

[thepainterdoug]

Agape/ not sure about some of the intent and meaning in your writing so pardon me. i never knew I was a well supported personality on this forum more than many other brighter people who contribute here. I consider Bill my friend, never met hims as of yet, but consider everyone my friend here until I'm served notice by them not to do so. And yes, the question i ask is an old one .
We all collectively add to this forum, so I learn from you and you from others an away we go. so I asked a question to see if anyone could contribute and to see if they knew something I didn't know. Its hard to bring new people into this topic . So many of us are always preaching to the choir so to speak. thats why I asked the question.

[Red Skywalker]

I would suggest to watch all the video's of the secret space program conference 2014:

https://secretspaceprogram.org/presentations-2014/

The videos of the 2015 conference are paid per view.

[Bill Ryan]

The videos of the 2015 conference are...

... all here: :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1040026&viewfull=1#post1040026

[Sunny-side-up]

I believe I have had contact with ET or some other worldly consciousness and have been looked over all my life.

I have a few drawings from my young years that suggest to me contact.
I at around the age 25 made friends with someone who is still a good friend over 25 years later, now the thing is he reports to me of having experiences that mirror my experiences.
A holiday on the Isle of White, he describes a being that is the description of my 'Jimmy' face which looks like the Hob-Goblin' or if you like one of the versions of the Grey's

We both had a major sighting of a giant blimp shaped craft which I call the 'Pulsating-Cuttlefish-Craft'. this craft was on a course towards us flying low at just a hundred feet or so.
Unmistakable, it was there and real.
We both had our journeys home and time loss from this event?

I have seen 7 different UFO types on different occasions over the years.
I have had a few major paranormal experiences as well.

I have no actual memories of seeing and or communicating with other beings directly other that the childhood drawings and a inner belief as it where!

But my point is that people like me: Not in the government, military, not a scientist, not holding any position of power etc, are the substance of this phenomenon.

Put me on a polygraph test, regress my mind etc

So many around this globe have had, are having experiences of the kind implied in your post title.
So many have had/are having far greater experiences than I have had, so many!

Yet we still find it so hard to believe, it's all to much for so many to be able to believe, even in these times.

There really is a division, a division of consciousness, those who believe/can believe and then there is the rest of the globe!
I guess one thing to remember is that we on this globe are not all the same, we have come down from many different ancestry's,
some might have simply been tampered with and so opened up to a different world.

Many worlds layered over each other, blurring into each other which we collectively call reality 0.o

So keep on plunging the Experiencers, witnesses, every family has one :sun:

It dose highlight that most of the worlds population has to have a figurehead to tell/show them what to believe in ha!

Rambled a lot there, hope it is relative to your post .

[Agape]

Agape/ not sure about some of the intent and meaning in your writing so pardon me. i never knew I was a well supported personality on this forum more than many other brighter people who contribute here. I consider Bill my friend, never met hims as of yet, but consider everyone my friend here until I'm served notice by them not to do so. And yes, the question i ask is an old one .
We all collectively add to this forum, so I learn from you and you from others an away we go. so I asked a question to see if anyone could contribute and to see if they knew something I didn't know. Its hard to bring new people into this topic . So many of us are always preaching to the choir so to speak. thats why I asked the question.


Yes and sorry , I saw that question asked many times already .

This is the grand deception , and you're being 'agens movens' of the mahamaya , the great theatre play , and we all are .
Only that my outlook as *experiencer* has been brushed too many times yet

...

Peace to you

:flower:

[thepainterdoug]

SUNNY SIDE/ sounds like you have had many an experience, and thanks for posting. the cuttlefish ship sighting was with a friend?
all posted here so far certainly speak to me and my belief in these things but will be written off by people outside this paradigm we all seem to be aware of . even photos of odd objects in the sky that I have shown friends get dismissed or attempted to explain away. makes me think we have a pre set for the acceptability of this reality that most do not have and not much can change that .

[thepainterdoug]

AGAPE/ my question intended no disrespect nor is it playing anyone. I had a conversation with a friend who asked me for proof of such things, I should know better and I thought I would bring it here to see what came back, thats all. Peace to you too.

[mojo]

..offer a video archive dating back to 2010 to present with a collection of evidence that weighs in favor of paranormal happening related to sightings ie. orbs and ufos

[Agape]

I posted similar minded question about a year ago , trying to find that particular thread in the database ..

But here is another good example :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87063-No-Abduction-is-from-a-Benevolent-Race-ET-Surgery

( from Omniverse )

that sums my point quite succinctly and conforms with my own life experience , with the ET . Levels more advanced AND benevolent civilisation/race of Beings they do not need to leave much garbage behind , traces , scars and injuries .

If you're really much more advanced what sense would it make to you signalling 2D or even 3D message which would be like toying with human minds .

Do they need us the same way we want to have them for chat, speaking of the human lot ?

Perhaps they're all fine with things as they are . They got us talking to each other on something that's not religions ,
it's much less fictional than many other things you partake in daily as member of human society ,

Peace :star:

Found the thread ..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73495-The-Proof-of-Evidence-Thread&highlight=Proof


It might be safer to move the thread to 'members only' Contactee zone .

I would like to ask fellow 'contactees' , 'abductees' , 'ETs' and 'open minded skeptics' alike, obviously the discussion concerns those who knowingly and admittedly experienced contact with advanced ET intelligence/s in some form - whatever form and intelligence that may be -

what would they ( of their own will & decision, without any external pressure or demand ) consider a 'proof of evidence' of the ET intelligence that contacted them and whether such an evidence could be gathered .. at all .. or not . Under what circumstances , perhaps if the timing was good enough , special equipment available , lab tests etc .

I have my own mind on this that relates to my life but aware that the range of experiences is extremely vast here ..
far from being uniform .. from dreamlike visions, lucid dreams, telepathic communications, to implants, scars , DNA manipulation , various forms of biological and psychic testing , crossbreeding experiments , missing time , space-time manipulation ,
electromagnetic effects, visual effects ( such as 'orbs' or various 'blobs of light' ) etc etc .

yet .. we are all almost uniformly denied 'credibility' for our testimonies and asked to 'give them the proof' .

No matter what little evidence has been gathered by the alternative research community it's quality - compared to the quality of the 'original ET intelligence and technologies' tends to be extremely low .

For example , there have been people researched by the SETI community who claimed to 'receive alien signal' through their head that was of certain frequency , detectable signal according to those people .. yet .. when a test in isolated environment was conducted and sensitive instruments equipped , there was no evidence of such signal ever found .

Similarly, there seem to be many claims of ET/Human crossbreeding experiments and so called 'star children' or 'star seed' ( no matter the terminology ) and long chat about 12 or 24 strand DNA on alternative scene while in reality,
none such a healthy DNA or 'ET DNA' has ever been found in genetic mapping - this is no stopper in the debate - simply because human genetics is still in diapers .

On the other hand , manifold DNA strand mutations are found and mostly associated with physically and mentally retarded children rather than with the healthy , bright 'star kids' whose bio-information may simply appear to be 'perfectly in norm' ( as sort of 'golden ratio' of this entire human population ) .

So also 'alien implants' ... that seem to behave intelligently and contain some type of anomalous materials ...after 'spending' decades grown to the subjects/victims own tissue ,
even in those cases ... it's not really clear that they would have precise shapes ( corresponding to what we actually SEE to be the art-of-state technology on the ET side ) or that they would display special sort of properties that could be attributed to technical device . No stopper again .


I'm not asking this question/questions from a point of view of skeptic , obviously , I think we all are facing ..maybe globally .. a similar difficulty here, aside of claims that someones government or military have all the proofs ( I don't believe they have 'heap of evidence' , if it was 'heap' they would not be able to cover it to this day ) ,
ET does not care .

I would like to invite some of you ( or all ) who have had what you consider 'real ET contact experience' , it means you don't doubt it ( first of all, no matter who doubts you ) ,

and if you could say ... which way do you think that evidence of that particular ET group could be proved , directly .



Examples : Do you think that ETs could be photographed or captured on film . Honestly . Or , do you think ( my impression ) our technologies are still way too primitive to capture such hyper-dimensional events .


Could they be asked/ made to leave an imprint or signature somewhere that would reflect the complex nature of their biological and technical intelligence .

Could they draw a picture , in this human space-time continuum , on their own ( without using human interface ) . ( Human interface is so far, the latest and safest invention I understand is being used ).

Record a signal, speech , or whatever music on one of these human devices .


Could they indeed, leave us with material proof of their presence , a souvenir , something they would not exactly miss on the way home , with respect for the resources in space are always bit scarce .


Any other idea .... out of the box ... what do you think would be possible ?




Peace :angel:


Well it also ended with Peace ..:Angel:

[thepainterdoug]

If I told you all that I captured a unicorn in my back your and had it in my barn, the next question I should would anticipate would be something like, can I see it, do you have a picture, can you prove it beyond your story. I don't see why this would be an inappropriate question and certainly don't feel anyone would be offending me by asking it. these are extraordinary claims, and the average person is just trying to get some footing into it.

[Agape]

Maybe start reading from here : http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=PhysicalTrace

I have no idea how far did you get to any in-depth study of the subject and from I read above you don't understand what I meant to convey or the backgrounds of many 'ET contact/abduction' stories yet ..
somehow it became obvious to you that the research community is 'dry on evidence' ( I believe so too , I tried to be helpful with some explanations from the one directly involved = me )

James Randi posed his 1*$ challenge ( read one star buck , for the less imaginative reader ) long ago : http://skepdic.com/randi.html

To disbelieve in something strongly enough( alert : ''belief'' is only semantic opposite to ''disbelief'', not a real opposite for both require level of irrationality to be entertained ) to doubt it in open in simplistic manner

'unicorn , a mythical creature of your analogy captured in your back garden vs cases of ET abductions' goes well with anyone of mediocre intellect who did not study even one genuine case of ET contact .

What I find absolutely amazing here is that you actually portrayed all those 'witnesses and whistleblowers' at the same time ..

and i honestly think that ( not only ) you deserve a piece of proof.

What I can't apprehend though is the true motivation behind your post and the way you read my response , just as I've said , without prior information the level of 'information' is extremely diverse and scattered among the populace of this forum.

Sure , pardon my comments = would be enough to irk any core skeptic equipped with red marker .

:bigsmile:

[Baby Steps]

Greetings
Bless you for the paintings.
Bits that I find compelling:
1. The Roswell incident made the local press, ie the BASE COMMANDER , who was senior enough to command the USA's only nuclear bomber base at the time, went to the press and stated that they had a craft.
2. Lights over the Capitol on two subsequent Saturdays in 1951, seen by thousands, filmed, and crucially caused a big enough stir to trigger a military press conference!
3. The Phoenix lights - it ties in with Greer's activities, and again thousands of witnesses
4. The Disclosure Project press conference. I find this convincing, because many of the Military witnesses are putting their pension and/or life on the line to speak up.

Those 4 for me are conclusive, does not mean I understand the phenomenon or phenomena...

[thepainterdoug]

Baby Steps/ thanks very much this is the simple thing I asked. I wanted to see what the members here would suggest. i have been through and read much of what has been posted. As for Agape, you make an awful lot of assumptions about me. help yourself. Im not a know it all within a topic that has very little to any proof. I'm friends with many experiencers and they all have said its hard to explain and almost impossible to believe. if you can't see any merit in my question, why bother spending any time in this thread ?
I don't know you and will end it at this.

AGAPE PLEASE READ MY NEXT POST ON THE NEXT PAGE.

[thepainterdoug]

AGAPE/ i decided to try to make lemonaid from lemons and see if we could reset the reset button. Your original post is below with my answers after each sentence section. perhaps we can know each other better?

I'm sorry to tell you this much @thepainterdough / thats the painter doug /as you're a 'well known , profiled and supported personality' on this forum, Bills good friend I presume / bill took an interest in showing my work to avalon members which I appreciate. I have never met him or spoken to him by phone./
but most importantly you proved your-self already by painting all those beautiful people .thanks you for your compliment /proved myself how? in talent, knowledge ? being a credible person? please expand./
and I'm but one of 'your witnesses' please explain more? /you mean an experiencer?/ , with meagre 2 or 3 interviews out there /can I listen to one of your interviews? / and do not mean much either to your friend Bill Ryan or this specific community ../ why do you say that ?/

no matter of what I do mean to the 'cause' in real world , here the debate is very limited to people who keep documenting their life style and research meticulously and making themselves available on internet pages , to internet friends over years .. / ok


So you know I'm also quite involved in the above question probably much longer than anyone present here / did not realize that sorry / including founders of this forum,
more specifically and urgently since big ET encounter in 2002 / love to hear about this, I didnt know because I dont know you. / for me but the question you are rising is VERY OLD / yes old as the hills. what is conciousness? is also an old question and its being asked every day./

and needs to be studied by you deeply and approached with some cautions, if you ask . /ok Im asking?/

It's not and never will be a matter of raw, simple minded argument between yes and no and someone getting angry . /yes I get that and didnt think it would be/

The problematics of ET encounters and their technologies is fairly subtle and complicated and unless there're scientists willing to invest their research to specific cases and open minded thinking of the cutting-edge kind/ please give me an example if you can? / rather than leaving 'ET contact cases' in hands of armchair researchers, village shamans who go to trance as they did for thousands and millions years already and predict the future of the crops with pendulums or other such devices in hands ,
till any of your researchers and witnesses ( BOTH ) think it's that simple .. / im not sure I would have to ask them but i dont think they think that./

there'll be only more confusion coming out about the subject, more conspiracy theories , more nonsense .

Presuming someone submitting 'supportive evidence' over the internet resulted already in many hoaxes , predictions of all kinds , / yes this is true the recent jaime mausson situation being one. /

without investigating real cases you can't get far and know what you're talking about here or what's possible. / im not a researcher Im an artist and songwriter. however I did go to chris bledsoes home and stay with him, his family and went to all the site areas. amazing encounter he had and chris is a very credible person./

Pardon me for being so blunt but I think it's rather straight and fitting , if you so ask about truth. / ok not a problem./

And off the record, / what record? is this an official statement?/ I can also relate to you how terrified is the professional community including the academics , including some high profile ufo researchers of dealing with real time cases and data, / I agree, sadly i believe there are many people in this as “a profession” and this can be very difficult in being truthful and not being career protective./
if they start suspecting it may be for real . They flock much more around people who are actually , fantasising a lot - with seed of truth perhaps - and are horrified to deal with the same thing in reality because those who had been there know it is slightly dangerous , and 'it' took good few peoples lives away already ./ this is quite interesting / and would love to hear more from you? can we speak via e mail? if so please feel free to write me at www.doug@dougauld.com


Oh but this is just internet forum . I know . / I Know too! /

[Agape]

Thanks ...

you make a good analysis of everything . I wonder if you can draw beautiful ETs ( beautiful and benevolent ) .
I'm not sure you've seen my two attempts to sketch them on rice paper , can't say i'd approve of the results .

Vis ETs , I suppose you never know until they land on your head . :clock::angel:

:pray:


I'll show you what I mean ..

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ET%20scans/100-0010.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ET%20scans/100-0010.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ET%20scans/100-0009.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ET%20scans/100-0009.jpg.html)

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/ET%20scans/100-0017.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/ET%20scans/100-0017.jpg.html)

I also sketched a spaceship cabin and my friend Zareste of ufocasebook designed whole spaceship model according to my description .

[Omni]

Greetings Doug. I have compiled a bit of the evidence I have seen over the years. Here is some of it:



Quotes

"UFOs do exist and aliens have visited the Earth. Certain identified flying objects or UFOs from outer space have visited Earth. The Government position on this is that the Government has no strategy regarding UFO sightings." -Nobutaka Machimura - (Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary)



"I can assure you that, given they exist, these flying saucers are made by no power on this Earth."
-President Harry S. Truman, 4 April 1950, at a press conference.



"We have contact with alien cultures."
-Astronaut Dr. Brian O'leary



"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."
-Colonel L. Gordon Cooper (Mercury 9,Gemini-5 Astronaut)



"I'm not at liberty to discuss the governments knowledge of extraterrestrial UFO's at this time. I am still personally being briefed on the subject!"
-President Richard M. Nixon



"The phenomenon of UFOs does exist, and it must be treated seriously."

-Mikhail Gorbachev



"The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious"

-General Nathan Twining Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958



"For thirty years, I've held that image in my mind. What I saw was a circular object that looked like two pie plates put on top of each other with a golf ball on top. It was a classic flying saucer,and it shot a beam of something at our warhead"
-U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Robert M. Jacobs



"After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material I asked the base commander to personally transport it in a B-26 to Major General McMullen in Washington DC. The entire operation was conducted under strictest secrecy. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press".
-Brigadier General Thomas Dubose 
Commanding Officer of Wright Patterson Air Force Base
 Affadavit 09/16/01



"I've been asked about UFO's and I've said publicly I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization."
-Commander Eugene Cernan, Commanded the Apollo 17 Mission. (LA TIMES, 1973)



"Blue Book was now under direct orders to debunk...I remember the conversations around the conference table in which it was suggested that Walt Disney or some other educational cartoon producer be enlisted in the debunking process".
-Dr. J Allen Hyneck
 Scientific Consultant to Blue Book



"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"
-Charles J. Camarda(Ph.D.) NASA Astronaut



"Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up."
-Professor Stephen Hawking



"UFO sightings are now so common, the military doesn't have time to worry about them - so they screen them out. The major defense systems have UFO filters built into them, and when a UFO appears, they simply ignore it."
-Lee Katchen (former atmospheric physicist with NASA)



How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon, Second Look, Vol. 1, No. 7, Washington, D.C. (5/1979) -- "We have, indeed, been contacted -- perhaps even visited -- by extraterrestrial beings, and the US government, in collusion with the other national powers of the Earth, is determined to keep this information from the general public." -Former Special assistant to the executive director of the CIA Victor Marchetti



"Mission control, we have a UFO pacing our position, request instructions."
Astronaut Cady Coleman
NASA Transmission - Shuttle Mission STS-73



"All Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name.

Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence."
Maurice Chatelain
Former Chief of NASA Communications Systems



"At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
NASA Astronaut Scott Carpenter Carpenter photographed a UFO while in orbit on May 24, 1962. NASA still has not released the photograph.



"Let there be no doubt. Alien technology harvested from the infamous saucer crash in Roswell, N.Mex., in July 1947 led directly to the development of the integrated circuit chip, laser and fibre optic technologies, particle beams, electromagnetic propulsion systems, depleted uranium projectiles, stealth capabilities, and many others.

How do I know? I was in charge!

I think the kids on this planet are wise to the truth, and I think we ought to give it to them. I think they deserve it."

Colonel Philip Corso
Army Intelligence officer, former Head of Foreign Technology at the U.S. Army's Research and Development Department at the Pentagon. Four years Director of Intelligence on President Eisenhower's White House National Security Staff



"I looked out the window and saw this white light.It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said,Have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."
-President Ronald Reagen (Describing his 1974 UFO encounter to veteran newsman Norman C. Miller, then Washington bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal.)



Yevgeni Khrunov, who flew in the Soyuz-5 in 1969, was prepared to recognize publicly the existence of UFOs. “As regards UFOs,” said Khrunov, “their presence cannot be denied: thousands of people have seen them. It may be that their source is optical effects but some of their properties, for instance, their ability to change course by 90 degrees at great speed, simply stagger the imagination.” Source



"It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the Moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky.
"
-President Jimmy Carter



"This was no ordinary UFO. Scores of people saw it. It was no illusion, no deception, no imagination."
Air Marshall Azim Daudpota Zimbabwe Air Force, commenting on a UFO witnessed in July of 1985 by many people and tracked on radar.



"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding
Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII.



"I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities."
-Senator Barry Goldwater (1965)



"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
-J. Edgar Hoover


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Art:

This is the best evidence in historic art I have found:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-MKRXWs_AV4A/VQQwI080-JI/AAAAAAAAAwY/cGl_FJ_7EpA/s400/Romania_UFO_Art.jpg

You will find the religious crowds denying most of the UFO art as religious depictions of angels. However my perspective as a contactee is the ETs themselves are the "Angels" if anything is...


Here is some more art:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0HME9ZdDHbc/VQQ7e1_G6jI/AAAAAAAAAwo/BktuGdZXymk/s400/1700s_UFO_Painting.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Z06aDaEk-5I/VQQ7qQBy1JI/AAAAAAAAAww/C_fwURoNMRU/s320/1700s_UFO_Painting2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jh8iPCACmTU/VQQ71aKXaVI/AAAAAAAAAw4/ajwc-1hj0cw/s400/1489_AD_UFO_Painting.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xRY-kf_y-r4/VQQ9HWr4cvI/AAAAAAAAAxE/Sb2KAhR9zeo/s400/Modonna_UFO_1500s.jpg

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You also have an occurrence in numerous mythologies of serpent figures, angels, demons, satans, etc. All of them relate to extraterrestrials in my view(satan's being plural and basically being the ruling class of reptilian ETs).


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You also have the sheer number of UFOs seen. Here is an excerpt from the book: Field Guide to UFOs: A Classification of Various Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Based on Eyewitness Accounts

by
Dennis Stacy,
Harry Trumbore,
Patrick Huyghe



An Embarrassment of Riches

The late J. Allen Hynek, Air Force astronomy consultant for Project Blue Book and founder of the Center for UFO Studies that now bears his name, once referred to the sheer number of UFO reports as an "embarrassment of riches." The numbers would certainly seem to bear him out. One Gallup public opinion poll revealed that nine percent of the adult American population equivalent to about 11 million people at the time-had seen what they thought was a UFO. Extrapolated worldwide and over time, the number of UFO witnesses from the last half century alone easily extends to the tens, if not hundreds, of millions only a minuscule fraction of which are ever reported to the military, law enforcement officials, or civilian UFO research organizations. The most commonly reported reason for failing to make a report public is fear of ridicule from one's family, friends, neighbors, colleagues.


A UFO could be any number of things. Among the most outstanding, some of them are military craft, and others are extraterrestrial craft. I have been shown ET craft myself numerous times. One time up close in broad daylight...

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President Barack Obama Denies Knowledge of Aliens
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When asked about Clinton saying he searched for ET files and there was nothing, Obama says: "That's what were instructed to say."


Russian PM Confirms Intelligent Extraterrestrial Life, aka Aliens
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Russian PM admits ET presence on Earth^^ I believe his "Men in Black" reference was about a documentary not the Hollywood film.

[thepainterdoug]

Omniverse/ thanks much . lots to review here.

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Agape/ thanks for posting your art. i would love to hear of your experiences related to the drawings. can you write me ? only if you feel ok about it.

[Shannon]

Omniverse...that post was awesome!

[seah]

The problematics of ET encounters and their technologies is fairly subtle and complicated and unless there're scientists willing to invest their research to specific cases and open minded thinking of the cutting-edge kind rather than leaving 'ET contact cases' in hands of armchair researchers, village shamans who go to trance as they did for thousands and millions years already and predict the future of the crops with pendulums or other such devices in hands ,
till any of your researchers and witnesses ( BOTH ) think it's that simple ..

there'll be only more confusion coming out about the subject, more conspiracy theories , more nonsense .

Hello Dear Agape, I mean no disrespect with this comment, while I agree that the complexities of visitations and the technology involved are too subtle for our 3D thinking, I feel you are giving too much credit to the "scientists" findings. Any working scientist, if he wants to keep his position, his life and those of his loved ones, is not able to publish any true research on the topic. In our present reality we only see what we are allowed to see.

@thepainterdoug, no proof exists and no proof is required, to my mind, the personal accounts of the experiencers speaks volumes. Proof can be manufactured and is, every single day. Proof is a material construct that has no bearing on the experience. The need for proof is an attachment to the world of matter, which is after all illusion.

[Bill Ryan]

Omniverse...that post was awesome!

Yep! :clapping:

I'd also recommend, to anyone wanting 'proof' (or at least extremely strong evidence), the documents here:

From a page on Richard Dolan's former website (no longer online, but retrieved from archive.org): 12 Government Documents that take UFOs seriously.

Librarian update Oct 20, 2019
Due to their importance the 12 documents now have their specific folder in the library, including the zip folder, here: http://avalonlibrary.net/12_Government_Documents_that_take_UFOs_seriously/ (Tintin Q)

The PDF of Richard's excellent 13-page cover article is here (http://avalonlibrary.net/12_Government_Documents_that_take_UFOs_seriously/Richard%20Dolan%20-%2012%20Government%20Documents%20that%20Take%20UFOs%20Seriously.pdf) (also included in the archive). As a personal comment, this is rather more than 'take UFOs seriously'. It's pretty much drip-feed disclosure all through bits and pieces obtained via FOIA, or from public government archives. The memos are impressive, and real. Show them to anyone who dismisses or rejects the reality, not realizing that all this is already documented and on formal US government record.


The 1947 Twining Memo.
1949 FBI Memo.
1951 USAF Intelligence Report.
The Chadwell Memo of December 2, 1952.
1954 Maxwell AFB Emergency Report.
Intrusion at Minot Air Force Base, 1966.
Malmstrom AFB 1967.
Wurtsmith Air Force Base, 1975.
The Amazing Encounter over Tehran in 1976.
The 1981 Halt Memo.
U.S. Coast Guard Encounter with a UFO, 1988.
UFOs Over Belgium, 1989-1990.



http://we.tl/GlIo4ftZwG (https://we.tl/GlIo4ftZwG) (26 Mb, 27 files, each document's individual pages uploaded separately)

NOT included in the above archive is SOM1-01, an early 1950s Army UFO crash retrieval manual that UFO documents researchers Bob and Ryan Wood consider that of all the many, many leaked documents they have ever seen and worked with, is the one that is absolutely, 100%, slam-dunk incontrovertibly genuine. Discussed here: The Smoking Gun - Special Operations Manual SOM1-01 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82572-The-Smoking-Gun-Special-Operations-Manual-SOM1-01)


http://we.tl/vbN1Yp9jt4 (https://we.tl/vbN1Yp9jt4) (29 Mb, 2 files)





Librarian edit Oct 20, 2019
Special Operations Manual SOM1-01 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Special_Operations_Manual_SOM1-01/) now linked in the Avalon Library

[thepainterdoug]

my efforts in this post was in the direction of bringing along some new people into the topic. some friends who are finally starting to open their minds a little bit have asked me for the best evidence. this is where my intent is in posting this question . so at this latest date , I was interested in what the group here felt strong about posting. thanks all for the great info .

[Agape]

And off the record, / what record? is this an official statement?/ I can also relate to you how terrified is the professional community including the academics , including some high profile ufo researchers of dealing with real time cases and data, / I agree, sadly i believe there are many people in this as “a profession” and this can be very difficult in being truthful and not being career protective./
if they start suspecting it may be for real . They flock much more around people who are actually , fantasising a lot - with seed of truth perhaps - and are horrified to deal with the same thing in reality because those who had been there know it is slightly dangerous , and 'it' took good few peoples lives away already ./ this is quite interesting / and would love to hear more from you? can we speak via e mail? if so please feel free to write me at www.doug@dougauld.com


Oh but this is just internet forum . I know . / I Know too! /


Hello Doug , it's the first time I've seen your page though I saw many of your portrays previously ,
you've done extensive piece of work , admirable really .

My case has been referenced in the Bodhgaya ET Event Report (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/mediafiles/Bodhgaya%20ReportFINALVERSION.pdf) ,

following interview with Kerry Cassidy for the Camelot Project (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/bodhgaya_incident/bodhgaya.html)

and Miles Johnstons' UK Bases series ( Bases 16 on youtube ).

I've done those drawings for the report ( tongue in cheek , they're not looking either too artistic or too extraterrestrial but I fail to do both things at the same time .. indeed , 'what is consciousness?'.

It's the original reason for my internet presence since about beginning of 2006 when I sent first article and subsequently wrote down first ever written record on et event i've been in , 2002 .
I've read almost everything since then , too . 'Devouring google servers' can result in occasional belly ache ..

Unfortunately also , Barry King who's been the principle researcher on this case with me since 2007 is himself ailing a lot ,
for those who do not know ( but I don't know much on it at all so can not say ).

If you think you have good reason and questions to ask me you're always welcome .


The reason for my input here ..is I walked long way with this, through various environments, often facing myself in the mirror of space time ..

talking to people many of whom ..say, preferred to stay abiding in their own 'extreme environments' .

I'll take some time to explore your art .. thank you for sharing ..


Blessings :flower:

[Agape]

Few more words about the 'evidence' thing ..and please : I'm addressing this to whomever reads , not specifically the 'original poster' .

I've seen so called 'ufo researchers' mulling over the Roswell accident of 1947 and the Rendlesham forest incident ( 1980 ) among the more famous cases of 'ufology' and 'conspiracy theory' and writing books and 'researching it' ( so to say )
for 70 years almost and never letting go .
With little if any physical evidence and second, third and fourth generations of witnesses and ill bed last statements remaining of what is available .

I've also seen many people coming out of the blue with grand claims they were not able to back up in any civili manner and so they flocked around and became one of the victimised whistleblowers or their colleagues and nothing ever new was heard from those people other than one or another kind of 'political predictions'
and words like 'agents' and 'infiltrating' were flying in the air here too often to be overheard .

You may say you don't mind and that's why you're proud part of here .

I'm not . I mind .

I mind this is touching me , I mind these words infiltrating my own mind stream , I mind that you or your leader were given my testimony but never bothered to ask about my credentials and what the true state of matters was , or is .

I mind dealing with people who in the name of research and conspiracy theory 'handle' each other with utmost cautions and mistrust .

It's not anything I was made or prepared for and as far to my mentality as a being as you can get .

I mind they were lies and suspicions circling around about people too and it never became clear who is true and who isn't .

I'm not interested in having thousands anonymous 'friends' on Facebook ( just a synonym for any similar way of fooling yourself to anonymous social conspiracy , a metaphor if you can understand me instead picking up on words because you 'can' ).

If there were doubts about me personally you could have always asked . But [you the forum] didn't , you went off researching your respective 'Roswells' because the new 'evidence' was not worth enough your attention .
My journey , even if not very well documented in the manner of casual 'selfie face booker' is still recorded somewhere .

Far as Bill Ryan went , he could have asked about my credentials if he does not believe me a 'THING' because that's how it makes me feel over the years ,
and in private and I'd have gladly shared .

Fortunately enough , at least I do have proof of where I've been in those years , there are people who would stand up for me in life , knowing I lived fairly righteous life as well .
I'm not self-obsessed individual and often in life , I destroyed some memory records too but when I grew up I learned .

The 'cliche approach' ( Bill please forgive me for hijacking your part ) to 'ET contact witness' tends to be : guilty by his/her claim so automatically guilty about everything else, suspicious person. Even worse . Can get down to much worse .

This isn't any sort of legitimate research though , forgive me again, this equals character assassination . More often from those who do not introduce themselves in open ( ever ) , whether they've been 'cleared' by some good friend of yours or not does not make anyone entitled to such levels of anti-social behaviour ,
more so , we are not at police station :bigsmile:

I'm just explaining what is happening on the internet , in the field of 'ufology' in general and what way 'information' travels from one so called 'initiated' researcher to another.

In the meantime , any new witness /experiencer/whistleblower , should it come to direct ET affairs and encounters is automatically dismissed and overlooked as 'small fry' .
For sure , and I'm not referring to people who all were once abducted in their life by ET ( no pun intended , and not at all ) but ..

that's simply not it . It's not why I came here . It's not why people end up ill and disabled for the rest of their lifetime.
It simply screams NOT TRUE for the FEW ( and your getting jealous does not help there a lot and there are no tickets for ships to be sold and no,
your favourite military is not capable of that either ) who have been exposed to energy fields and technologies in more direct manner that would actually qualify as 'ET encounter' and god forbid the encounter happened in your 3D reality as well .

This is what I experienced and as direct, human result of coming out in open , I have these heads standing up ( somewhere ) against one little me ,
with 'all knowing giggle' in their cheek telling me 'oh you didn't'.

And everyone, I can name everyone who were part of my history and eager to hear at least some of the story, from friends to physicists , medical doctors , astronomers ,
all sorts of people I talked to even in small ways ,
once they understood it's pretty much for real they went to themselves and answered mostly the same about 'not being ready to deal with this' and you could sense the fear , going along the wire ..
to their authorities, the families, the human chain. And most, quite like you , were not brave enough to ask about the rest .
Any normal sort of question you'd probably ask if the other person were reporting , for example car accident .

The 'spiritualists' ( hard core Buddhists, Christians or other believers ) usually get out of the 'trouble' fastest because to them it's all an 'illusion' .

Talking to those people is about as useful as talking to your dog about Universe because they uniformly think they have a 'master print' .
They don't need anyone to tell them better .. and quite few know well enough to be able to compare data instead of just casting them all away .

And this is how it ends too . I made it 'back to civilisation' in 2005 , civilisation that looks very rich on outside but is quite impoverished on within.
Unless you read through some of my testimony what follows won't make much sense anyway ..

civilisation so rich that it despises information coming from Space and will happily waste my life too .

But most important is .. I think... being happy in the sandpit .


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[seah]

just to clarify, Agape, when I referenced "illusion" in my post I didn't mean it in the sense that it is not real or doesn't exist, I meant it in that our reality isn't really the way it appears.

if I misinterpreted it, forgive me but it sound as though you are no longer the devout Buddhist you were before your experience. I am just in the past couple of days reading the transcript of your interview with KC, I wasn't familiar with your story.

[Agape]

just to clarify, Agape, when I referenced "illusion" in my post I didn't mean it in the sense that it is not real or doesn't exist, I meant it in that our reality isn't really the way it appears.

if I misinterpreted it, forgive me but it sound as though you are no longer the devout Buddhist you were before your experience. I am just in the past couple of days reading the transcript of your interview with KC, I wasn't familiar with your story.

Dear Seah, I can mostly agree with your statement above and I wasn't specifically responding to it ,
it's confusing for me here in ways, it's like talking to crowd of people some of whom have possibly read ( seen ) your testimony , account details , made their own judgement ,
others never touched it in fact, the rest are hanging somewhere in between waiting for what 'Simon says' ( the game , not the person ).

It's not like sharing with 'your own group' or lecturing class who came specifically to know something from you .
It's more like guesses and self-defence at the same time . So forgive my tunes being far more jittery and stressed than they're in real life, with real people .

I think it's all .. PERHAPS .. about offering a mirror to each other . Make people aware what are they partaking of . Some will always insist they don't need to be told ..

others may insist that I should read some sort of 'forum manual' and post as they do because there may be ways to 'do good on forums' etc etc.
It's tiring and boring and waste of time to think their ways , for me .. and vice versa .

It's simply not all truths are 'for everyone' , including 'devote Buddhists' :heart:

I'm not sure it answers your question but my teachers are still my best friends , on level deeper than one can possibly imagine otherwise .
For all and I spent many years living under their direct protection they don't mind me being who i am .
I could not stay with people who would or were so primitive and undergraduate to just 'follow their business' and see me as tool of their convictions.
Tibetan Buddhism in particular .. though itself almost on verge of extinction nowadays .. teaches much about sentience , love and compassion.
We had to learn a lot in Dharamsala over the decades about peaceful coexistence of cultures , religions, respect, true values , respect to Life again and saw many veils and pretences falling .
Being Hindu or Buddhist or Christian , Muslim or Taoist or neither , makes no huge difference to me at all as long as you're sentient and intelligent being sharing the Space together ,
eager to learn ..

:flower:


Under the base line for you Seah or whomever is concerned , though I can't exactly define myself as 'devout anything' ,
in Buddhist community( generally ) qualifications of Buddhist are simple as taking refuge in Buddha , Dharma and Sangha in presence of your master and abiding by the 5 lay or more extensive novice or monk/nun precepts : not taking life , adherence to truth ( not lying ), not stealing/taking what's not yours , absence of sexual misconduct and intoxicants ,
on Mahayana path we try to abide by Bodhisattva vows as well and by even more complicated set of vows that go with the practice of each specific Vajrayana lineage empowerments.
They're not a rigid set of repetitive behaviours or rituals more than ethical 'guiding principles' that help to evolve mind towards wisdom .

So in that sense , I am probably still 'devoted Buddhist' because following the principles of non-violence , truthfulness etc. is not something I wish to depart from , best ever.

[BMJ]

Mary Rodwell and her star seeds research.

ACERN
Site: http://members.iinet.net.au/~starline/

Mary’s work is in supporting individuals and their families experiencing encounters with non-human intelligence. Mary’s research indicates we as a species are being assisted to evolve due to these Extraterrestrial interactions and the new generations of children are demonstrating major changes in awareness and how these changes are not always understood due to more conventional interpretation.

[seah]

Agape, I agree, sharing on forums can be a challenge, there are so many nuances to communicating only with words. I understood you were not speaking to me, but in general, although after reading your post I was prompted to think of how perhaps my thoughts were unclear. For the most part, I weigh my words carefully when posting, I realize that they have power on many levels, and I've come to understand that our languages of words are limited in many ways when communicating about esoteric subjects.

I feel we have been experiencing some intense contentious cosmic energies recently that leave some of us feeling a bit tender, it seems this is going to be around for awhile, so do take care not to overdo, Agape. I do understand the "stress" you mention, personally, I am in need of much solitude, lately.

I appreciate your explanation of your current thoughts on the path to wisdom, be well.