Reasons Why I think Anonymous are COINTELPRO

[TargeT]

Well I already know them... I'm curious, does anyone else see anything from this brief video (hint: I didn't have to watch more than 3 seconds).


What three things immediately don't fit the "anonymous" group (note: going to their channel will be needed for one of them)
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[Kryztian]

Anyone can make a video with a Guy Fawkes mask and an electronically produced voice that ends "We are Anonymous. We do not forgive. We do not forget." So, yeah, it's hard to tell who is behind each of these videos.

The official story of Anonymous is that they are a group of "hacktivists" that met online. Hard to believe that the NSA wouldn't have extensive records on their real identity if that were true. They could be a group of white hats or black hats within the intelligence community or some faction of a group that is some mixture of black and white. They could be different groups responsible for different videos and actions associated with them. They could be grey aliens orbiting around the earth that have a satellite connection to the internet and a Youtube account. They could be disembodies spirits who are able to affect a silicon computer chip to create such a video. Who the heck knows?

Nevertheless, if information is released that can expose and embarrass tyrants (like the one on this video above) then godspeed to them.

[Soda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPnsPwAz-w
It will take you 4 minutes friend.

[TargeT]

So a couple of things

First: The channel is monetized (the owner is trying to make money off it, adds play on their video from the very corporations they supposedly stand against)

Second: They are using the Facebook Psyop (https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2015/03/02/facebook-reveals-itself-as-an-ongoing-cia-controlled-psyop/) "french color" over lay on their avatar

Third: They are trying to prompt "likes" and "subscribes" (strange behavior.. ties into the monetization however)

Now these are just some things I noticed in the first few seconds of this video and alone they don't mean a whole lot... but when you analyze their message it is very convenient who they out, and who it "hurts"... it's never the entrenched power structure save for the occasional sacrificial lamb.

They threaten a lot of people, but only act against certain ones... very convenient targets for the entrenched power structure. ("anonymous" "hacked" trump remember? never hillary however...)

https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/edward_bernays_propaganda_psyop_social_engineers.jpg

Propaganda is a complex topic...



Nevertheless, if information is released that can expose and embarrass tyrants (like the one on this video above) then godspeed to them.

The FRAMING (https://hbr.org/2009/04/leaders-frame-your-messages-fo/) of the response is very very important, I do not agree that any exposure is good.

Here's a good explanation of the power of framing and controlling the discussion:
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You see if we are "lead by the nose" to the slaughter house, or forced into the slaughterhouse with guns the out come is the same for us, but not for the slaughter house operators.... If you were in their shoes which way would you prefer?

IMO: Language is a form of magic, you can put certain words together, and if done in the right way with the right context, nearly ANYTHING is possible! So when you see another magician casting a spell and you listen to it, be wary of the origin and it's framing / intentions.

This is the basis of Chaos magic (https://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/1799) (except it focuses on leveraging belief structures for what you want, using language).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPnsPwAz-w
It will take you 4 minutes friend.

Entertaining escape scene... probably lots of metaphors there, care to tie this in some how?

[Anchor]

Which anonymous are you talking about? For myself I think I have discerned several different ones.

I think it is obviously true that some anonymous are co-intelpro. Honestly listening to them is sometimes the same set of challenges that you have when sorting out channelled information !

[Ewan]

I suspect that unless one is in the rarified strata of absolute mastery in hacking that TPTB will track them all down eventually, at that point they're made an offer - do some work for us or face the consequences.

[PurpleLama]

Which anonymous are you talking about? For myself I think I have discerned several different ones.

I think it is obviously true that some anonymous are co-intelpro. Honestly listening to them is sometimes the same set of challenges that you have when sorting out channelled information !

I concur. There is a real movement(s) that evolved out of 4chan, and then the various elements of cointelpro that essentially co-opted the name to propagandize and likewise identify sympathetic elements (they know which youtoobs you're watching, for example).

That being said, this isn't a bad news feed:
http://www.anonews.co

[ZooLife]

COINTELPRO isn't so much about steering one from a path as it is in steering one to a path.

Pathos anyone?

[OnyxKnight]

Every movement can be hijacked and infiltrated. You just need a good analysis of them. As great as Anons are, I think they don't have a failsafe mechanism against that.

[TargeT]

Which anonymous are you talking about? For myself I think I have discerned several different ones.

I think it is obviously true that some anonymous are co-intelpro. Honestly listening to them is sometimes the same set of challenges that you have when sorting out channelled information !

I concur. There is a real movement(s) that evolved out of 4chan, and then the various elements of cointelpro that essentially co-opted the name to propagandize and likewise identify sympathetic elements (they know which youtoobs you're watching, for example).


Most certainly, this is the typical MO... we are always allowed to start something then it is co-opted once it gains momentum, and a lot of people don't even need much prompting to support the change because they only vaguely understand the original movement (the "late commers").

and who ever is doing the co-opting is very very good at using the built momentum for their own purposes with seemingly little effort.

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I think they don't have a failsafe mechanism against that.

I don't think the idea for a falesafe is in the equation... it's not even considered when things like this start..

I wonder if we could create some sort of rule set like "roberts rules" for meetings etc.. but for organizations & have a skeletal structure that could be widely applied that by its nature stops co-opting.. unfortunately the answer is usually a dictator & eventually power corrupts so you're back in the same ball park.