Is The Fukushima Radiation Being Blown Out of Proportion?

[DNA]

Hey, first off let me state I've had my family on a no fish quarantine for the last few years in response to all the information about the Fukushima reactor bleeding radioactivity into the pacific ocean.
I've been preaching the Fukushima thing on facebook for the last year.
So let me just state I'm one of you.

But I ran across this weblink with some really good links. Fukushima Radiation Hysteria Fabricated and Unfounded (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Forbes-Magazine-March-16-2015-Reports-Confirm-Fukushima-Radiation-Hysteria-Fabricated-and-Unfounded10jul15.shtml#top)
And I found myself nodding my head and thinking that there is some compelling evidence stating that things are not in fact as bad as they seem, and there are some TPTB reasons for making a bigger deal out of it than it may in fact be. The goal in this case is primarily the goal of closing nuclear power plants across the world.



Benjamin Fulford Responds To Drake – Fukushima Radiation

Posted on January 9, 2014 (http://americannationalmilitia.com/to-drake-from-ben-fulford/)

Benjamin Fulford: My geiger counter is called Air Counter_S and it can detect between 0.05 microsieverts per hour and 9.9 microsieverts per hour. I live 200 kilometers from Fukushima and have never detected anything beyond normal background radiation, even when there is heavy rain that has come from the direction of Fukushima. The local organic food store has tested all produce they receive since March 11, 2011 and have yet to find a single instance of radioactive food. There is a young woman from Fukushima who rents a room from me and her family sends her rice grown 80 kilometers from Fukushima and it is not radioactive.




Cobra: December Monthly Update

Alexandra: … People are saying “we thought this was done, we thought this was shut down”. Apparently something came out of Russia -regarding the Japan nuclear disaster again.

Cobra : There are some empty threats and those things will not happen.

Alexandra: OK. People are really writing in about that. Is there anything else you can tell us about the incredibly major fear porn that is going on out there. Elevated radiation? which by the way is supposedly being proven by scientific software programs out there. Could you shed some light on that.

Cobra : I checked the web-site and these things are coming from 2011. There is a lot of fabrication of data and from some reliable source there is zero increase in California, and zero increase in Japan except close to Fukushima.

Alexandra: Thank you for that – we needed to hear that. Thanks for digging into that.



I'm giving folks a little to work with here and folks will have to do their own research.

Because I need to get on with why I'm posting this thread.
It appears that there are a myriad of reasons for why a TPTB party planted a nuke in a faultline and caused the earthquake and subsequent tsunami on 3-11.

One that I want to give attention to is the theory that the disaster and the false reporting of massive radioactive fall out that continues to endanger the entire pacific ocean is an attempt to rid the world of nuclear power plants because of fear mongering.

From what I've seen this has worked amazingly well in Japan, where all reactors on the island were shut down until just a couple of weeks ago, when they fired up a reactor amid much protest in the southern part of the island.

And then today we have a shallow earthquake that took place today with an epicenter just a few miles away from this powerplant.

This seems to me to be a reminder to the Japanese people about the dangers of Nuclear Power. And also to the rest of the world.

Below is a link to the April 15th earthquake that happened today.
Japan Earthquake April 15th (https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/31357233/japan-earthquake-death-toll-rises-as-strong-6-5-magnitude-tremors-hit-vanuatu/)

The Below is a quote from Dr. John Coleman and is number 8 in the 21 Goals of the Illuminati and the committee of 300
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89738-Dr.-John-Coleman-is-who-I-thought-Jordan-Maxwell-would-be)
8. To suppress all scientific development except for those deemed beneficial by the Illuminati. Especially targeted is nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Particularly hated are the fusion experiments currently being scorned and ridiculed by the Illuminati and its jackals of the press. Development of the fusion torch would blow the Illuminati's conception of "limited natural resources" right out of the window. A fusion torch, properly used, could create unlimited and as yet untapped natural resources, even from the most ordinary substances. Fusion torch uses are legion, and would benefit mankind in a manner which, as yet, is not even remotely comprehended by the public.

[amor]

I have been trying to find the video in which a young woman in Belgium who was speaking about the healing power of quartz crystals on polluted water was shown, without success.

She traveled to Fukushima to place a large quartz crystal which received blessed thoughts in the upper reaches of a stream which ran down to the nuclear plant. Fishermen on the island North of Fukushima told her that there were dead fish four miles wide and seven miles long at the adjoining sea bottom. Also, remember the dead fish along the California coast and those in between. This is too high a price to boil water when we have many other sources of free energy which are being hidden. It is time it be given to the people so that we may all prosper, including banks.

As she spoke, Red Planet X and its trail of moons and debris could be clearly seen through the large window in the room. I wished to locate the video so that I could discover whether this object had already passed over us without harm, since it was clearly night when she was speaking.

[Bill Ryan]

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Nope — this is pure nonsense from Ben Fulford.

Listen to this (it's not in YouTube). Linda states the facts about radiation levels.

Coast to Coast - Linda Howe on Fukushima Mar 31 2016 - Hour 2.mp3


http://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Coast to Coast - Linda Howe on Fukushima Mar 31 2016 - Hour 2.mp3 (14 Mb)

[OBwan]

I have been following the Fukushima story using the ENENEWS.COM and Arnie Gunderson.

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http://enenews.com/category/location/japan


Washington Post: “No one knows what to do with Fukushima” — Scientific American: Plant is in “crisis mode”… fuel has melted through containers — Official: Corium may never be extracted — Gov’t suggests dumping it under Pacific Ocean

http://enenews.com/wash-post-one-fukushima-plant-crisis-mode-official-melted-fuel-never-be-extracted-govt-suggests-dumping-corium-pacific-ocean


Reuters: Fukushima fuel melted through containment vessels and is “spewing radiation” — Nuke Expert: Fuel has “scattered all over the place” — Gov’t: Fuel may have burned out into environment — Tepco Official: Fuel could have flowed out “like lava in a volcano” (VIDEOS)

http://enenews.com/tepco-official-admits-melted-fuel-flowed-like-volcanic-lava-nuclear-expert-melt-containment-vessel-fuel-scattered-all-place-reuters-fuel-melted-containment-spewing-radiation-guardian-fuel-be


UPI: ‘Skyrocketing’ cancer cases in Fukushima — AP: ‘Alarming’ cancer rates after nuclear disaster — Times: Child cancers up 5,000% — Radiation doses may be “considerably higher” than estimated — Expert: Cancer outbreak shows officials must now prepare for onset of leukemia, other diseases (VIDEO)

http://enenews.com/times-child-cancers-5000-after-fukushima-disaster


CBS: Worst may not be over from Fukushima — “Effects of radiation have become much more severe” — “Enormous decline” seen in animal species — “Striking drop-off… really dramatic impacts” due to nuclear disaster (VIDEO)

http://enenews.com/cbs-worst-be-fukushima-effects-radiation-become-severe-enormous-decline-animal-species-really-striking-drop-dramatic-impacts-video

[Althena]

No. The Pacific Ocean is dying, slowly but surely...

[zen deik]

Wonder how much it would cost to replace an ocean? Its sad companies are allowed to build in an area where accidental pollution would be so detrimental.

[ZooLife]

Fukushima

Fu*k - u - shima

shima - Japanese: meaning 'island'


Life is nothing if not for irony.

[DNA]

Wow
I knew this thread was going to have a difficult time. But I didn't know it would be this tuff.
So far this thread is going over like a turd in a punch bowl. Dang, I have one like after 12 hours of having being opened. That has got to tie for some kind of Avalon record! :highfive:

I still feel this thread has it's merit. I feel it is good to challenge folks on things they may take for granted.
Fulford indeed is a major source in so far as this information goes, and it does seem like he may have a vested interest in saying whatever his Japanese contacts want to hear.

I listened to a voice interview Fulford did with Kerry Cassidy a few days after 3-11, and it seemed like even then he was towing the company line. So he may in fact have a vested interest in making Japan look good in this.

But I'll still dig, because, well, when it comes down to it, I like fish, and this whole thing has turned me completely away from fish.
So, if nothing else, I'm going to dig just so I can know for 100% weather or not I can go back to the tasty bounty of the sea.

Or not

Have a good one

:blackwidow:

[mountain_jim]

One that I want to give attention to is the theory that the disaster and the false reporting of massive radioactive fall out that continues to endanger the entire pacific ocean is an attempt to rid the world of nuclear power plants because of fear mongering.


Well I for one agree with the intent (to rid the world of nuclear fission power).

In my college debate class in the 70's, I argued in front of Nuclear Engineers that Nuclear Fission technology was a bad bet, with all the risks shifted to the populations with industry protections, and no solution for what to do with the spent fuel which would be radioactive for thousands of years.

40 years later and the fuel problem has still not been solved, and more disasters or terror incidents are likely as the plants age and are enormously expensive to mothball.

[Matt P]

Hey DNA. I watched a documentary a couple years ago about a scientist who claimed nuclear reactors were so harmless he actually swam in the reactor water. I spent a few minutes looking for it but I have to get to work so don't have time to keep looking. I'll try again after work today if no one has found it by then.
You know, TPTB just love to scare the crap out of us. I am skeptical of pretty much anything and everything, especially when all of major media is on the same page...and especially when they are on the same page about an issue where we come to realize there are some major shenanigans going on (the 3/11 tsunami). What better way to scare people from experimenting with nuclear power or to keep them away from nuclear power plants than to condition people to how dangerous they are. Also, think about this...if Fukushima is THAT bad, killing the Pacific, contaminating all of sea life, threatening the very existence of mankind, there would be a massive worldwide effort, headlines every day, countries all over working tirelessly together, to fix the problem. I don't see any of that. No urgency, no international effort, nothing. A little weird if you ask me.

Matt

[Baby Steps]

Hi,
great thread, this is an important subject shrouded in uncertainty and disinfo.That alone speaks volumes.

TPTB do not like any technology that would allow for any growth in Human economic self-reliance. So key to maintain the control paradigm is a limited and controlled energy supply(via an expensive grid)
These fission reactors, apart from being the main source of bomb material, are expensive, dirty and inefficient.
Alvin Weinberg invented these monsters, then created Molten Salt Thorium reactors, which were superior in every way, including safety,but this technology is being surpressed.

I believe these outdated PWR's suit the control agenda, and I am not even sure if TPTB care about the long term contamination.

the problem with Fukushima was the sheer volume of high level waste and rods that they have 'lost'. Do not forget that after the explosions and radioactive plumes, we had MELT DOWNS which probably included spent fuel that was being stored there. The spent rods were being kept allegedly in illegally large quantities and obviously required cooling-which lapsed leading to fires and increasing the volume of 'melt down' material.

So what we have now is the end of locally dispersed fall out, and hopefully little or no radioactive waste pouring into the sea-as it was for some time.

So problem over?

No way. The material that melted down is somewhere under there and it is a matter of time before the hot stuff hits ground water and starts forcing heated water upwards, probably directly into the ocean. This may be happening now. This will be very hard to stop. There ain't no sarcophagus for this one. when this deadly water leaks out, I am not sure whether it would get into the air in great quantities, maybe not even into the shallows of the sea.But we will know about it sooner or later.

[Bill Ryan]

Hey DNA. I watched a documentary a couple years ago about a scientist who claimed nuclear reactors were so harmless he actually swam in the reactor water. I spent a few minutes looking for it but I have to get to work so don't have time to keep looking. I'll try again after work today if no one has found it by then.

The thread is here:
A video they won't want you to see (Galen Winsor: nuclear scare scam) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scare-scam-)

I don't believe a word of it, but that's the reference! :)

[syrwong]

In cases of emergency and unusual events, the initial reports are always accurate. The distortions come only afte cover up. Coverup is often in the interest of the governments, as the less the public knows the better. This is true of the Roswell events, when the newspaper accurately reported a flying saucer, which only turned into a weather balloon afterwards.

I remember having read that the then prime minister of Japan recalled that he held an emergency meeting in which he raised the question of whether Tokyo should be evacuated. That was how serious they considered the catastrophe to be.

Within a day of 311 people in China were in panic. Dont know how they got the information but people rushed to buy salt everywhere(salt in China is required to be iodized) and soon salt was out of stock for many days. Salt prices in Hong Kong soared up too. The head of the observatory in Hong Kong appeared on TV weather report the same or the next day and said that there was a very tiny rise in the level of radioactive Cecium, but not to be alarmed. They would monitor the situation closely and make reports. Of course he was not to be seen after that and no reports followed. Considering that Hong Kong is thousands of miles from Fukushima I think the immediate detection of radiation is quite significant.

Thanks to the media silence the Chinese people are now happily choosing Japan as the favorite touring place. It is a sad thing that an event of such paramount importance is still matter of debate 5 years after.

[RunningDeer]

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Nope — this is pure nonsense from Ben Fulford.

Listen to this (it's not in YouTube). Linda states the facts about radiation levels.

Coast to Coast - Linda Howe on Fukushima Mar 31 2016 - Hour 2.mp3


http://we.tl/36Uazc2jaq (https://we.tl/36Uazc2jaq) (14 Mb)


The article and pictures that Linda Molten Howe referenced at Earthfiles.com of the gargantuan strawberry, beets and maple leaves from Part 1 (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2414&category=Environment): "Nuclear Engineer Reports Fukushima Radioactivity Is Spreading Beyond TEPCO Control".

Part 2 (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2415&category=Environment): "Three Fukushima Nuclear Cores Are Still Missing, Melted Down Into Ground and Likely Into Groundwater. U. S. Has 23 of the Same Reactor Models — Could It Happen Here?"


Gargantuan strawberry in Fukushima Prefecture, Japan, after March 11, 2011.

Also found in Fukushima Prefecture after March 11, 2011, a Gargantuan beet
and enlarged maple leaves from two trees of same species. Source: Wikipedia.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Howe_zpswplxbh6j.jpg

[Althena]

Tepco says: "Nothing to see here, all is well, move along...

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pictures-mutated-japanese-plants-show-extreme-effects-leaking-fukushima-radiation (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pictures-mutated-japanese-plants-show-extreme-effects-leaking-fukushima-radiation/)

Pictures of Mutated Japanese Plants Show Extreme Effects of Leaking Fukushima Radiation

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGAcNp4UoAITw69.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TPmIv6Sl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NIL5q2Pl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Tfa6Oexl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sHVeR7dl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RgUXXfCl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8ftc97rl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hYuEs0Nl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FAbI8G3l.jpg

[Sierra]

And the bunny with no ears...
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[PurpleLama]

I hear you, on the missing seafood in the diet. I live relatively close to the Gulf of Mexico, so we had already culled our diet of most seafood ahead of the Pacific disaster.

It makes me think of all the trouble EnKi got in when it was discovered that he had taught his pet humanity to fish for its food, and therefore was less able to be controlled by the gods in general. That was when the human population started to take off.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Hey DNA. I watched a documentary a couple years ago about a scientist who claimed nuclear reactors were so harmless he actually swam in the reactor water. I spent a few minutes looking for it but I have to get to work so don't have time to keep looking. I'll try again after work today if no one has found it by then.
You know, TPTB just love to scare the crap out of us. I am skeptical of pretty much anything and everything, especially when all of major media is on the same page...and especially when they are on the same page about an issue where we come to realize there are some major shenanigans going on (the 3/11 tsunami). What better way to scare people from experimenting with nuclear power or to keep them away from nuclear power plants than to condition people to how dangerous they are. Also, think about this...if Fukushima is THAT bad, killing the Pacific, contaminating all of sea life, threatening the very existence of mankind, there would be a massive worldwide effort, headlines every day, countries all over working tirelessly together, to fix the problem. I don't see any of that. No urgency, no international effort, nothing. A little weird if you ask me.

Matt

That wouldn't be good for phama profits, that type of media attention. Dont want people watching what they eat lol. But if somehow they could get sick and not know why, years down the road.....

[Matt P]

Bill, thanks for the link. I don't know how authentic, just remembered seeing it. I just try to keep an open mind to opposing views. It's in my Libra nature! :)
As for all the pictures and stories...How do we know? Were you there? Did you see it yourself? Did you take the picture? As we all know, pictures can be from any place, any time and stories can be made up.

Matt

edit: by the way, since I'm not an expert, I'd love to hear why this video is not to be believed. It seems rather interesting and the stated credentials of the speaker are pretty impressive. Please enlightment me a little (more). :)

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[DNA]

I found this information pretty enlightening.
I've placed a transcript of the video below.
Have a good one. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGe18uftmI
tAGe18uftmI



(Transcript edited by Ken Adachi)

Narrator: On the 11th of March 2011, following a massive earthquake and tsunami, a nuclear accident occurred at the Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant in Japan. Radioactive material was released into the environment over several days.
(Japanese voice of emergency worker in background)
The Japanese authorities took precautions to protect the public. A 20 km exclusion zone was set up; and restrictions were imposed on the consumption of products grown around the plant. But these actions only seemed to add to the mood of public anxiety and confusion fed by a global media frenzy.
(Newspaper headlines shown)
The common assumption was that many Japanese people would suffer long-term cancers from the radiation. As for the workers still at the plant, they were seen as “dead men walking”.
But with the eyes of the world on Fukushima, an important anniversary was taking place, one which offered lessons on the public-health impacts of nuclear events. It was the 25th anniversary of Chernobyl, the world’s worst nuclear accident.
(Title shown on screen: Fukushima and Chernonyl, Myth versus Reality)
Narrator: UNSCEAR – the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation – was set up by the UN General Assembly in 1955. For the last 25 years, it has examined in detail the impact to health and the environment of the Chernobyl accident.
UNSCEAR’s principal officer is British scientist, Dr Malcolm Crick.
Malcolm Crick: "After Chernobyl, the only public health impact that we have seen has been the more than 6,000 thyroid cancers amongst those people who were children at the time of the accident, drinking contaminated milk. Of those 6,000 or more cases, perhaps 15 have died. It’s not a very fatal disease – thyroid cancer – if it’s caught early and treated properly. Then when we think about other effects, actually there’s no really good persuasive evidence of any public health impact due to radiation from the accident, other than the thyroid cancers. Most people find that kind of hard to believe, but in fact that’s the case."
Narrator: Professor Gerry Thomas, from London’s Imperial College, is a world authority on molecular pathology. She's also a Director of the Chernobyl Tissue Bank, an international initiative to collect biological samples from those exposed to radioactive iodine in childhood – work that has led Dr Thomas to reassess her views on nuclear energy.
Gerry Thomas: "The health consequences of a nuclear power accident may not be as bad as we first thought. I was anti-nuclear until I started working on Chernobyl. Now, no problem at all."
"The results of the studies that were carried out post-Chernobyl, which were big international studies, have not been what we might have expected from the outset. Those studies have shown that there is only one thing that we can pin down to being due to radiation and that’s the sharp increase of thyroid cancer in those who were very young at exposure to the Chernobyl accident."
Abel Gonzalez: "In the case of Chernobyl, there was a lot of iodine being released, and, very important, nobody told the population that this iodine was there and that the milk was contaminated with this iodine."
Narrator: Professor Abel Gonzalez, from Argentina, is Deputy Chairman of the International Commission on Radiological Protection, a body of the world’s leading scientists and policy makers which, since 1928, has set guidelines for governments around the world.
Abel Gonzalez: "Mothers, who didn’t know that an accident had happened, these mothers were giving contaminated milk to their children; very heavily contaminated milk. Not surprising, the children had a very high dose of radiation in their thyroid, and not surprising, a lot of children – mainly in Belarus, but also in Ukraine and in Russia - got thyroid cancer that can be attributed to Chernobyl."
Malcolm Crick: "If we think of the emergency workers after Chernobyl, there were 134 people who got acute radiation sickness from the first few days of very high exposures after the accident. And 28 of those people died within the first month or so. Then when we look further on in time, those people who've got problems with skin injuries still and they’ve got problems with cataracts, but only about 19 or 20 people have died in the period since the accident and not all of those deaths can be attributed to radiation; In fact, many of them are clearly not due to radiation."
Narrator: So the voice of leading scientific bodies is clear. The only observable public health impact due to radiation after Chernobyl has been the more than 6000 thyroid cancers, of which only around 15 have proven fatal. As for the emergency workers who received the highest doses, fewer than 50 have died.
These numbers – while significant - represent a fraction of the hundreds of thousands if not millions of victims predicted after the accident. Frequently misunderstood by the public, radiation dose is determined by the type and amount of radiation we are exposed to. It’s measured in the International Standard Unit of millisieverts.
Professor Thomas on the doses received by residents living around the Chernobyl plant:
Gerry Thomas: "Now this is the figure that – when I saw it – made me think: that nicely puts it into perspective. The whole-body doses to 6 million residents is about 9 millisieverts. So each person got about 9 millisieverts. And 80% of that lifetime dose was delivered by 2005. Now, 9 millisieverts is about what any of us will get when we go and have a CT scan. Do we sit there and panic about having a CT scan? No, we don’t. And we need to make sure that we keep that in mind when we think about accidents like this. We expose ourselves to radiation voluntarily. We can’t avoid it; we live in a radioactive world."
Narrator: Naturally occurring background radiation is the main exposure to radiation for most people globally. Levels typically range from 1.5 - 3.5 millisieverts per year. However, there are several places in India, Iran and Europe, where doses can be more than 50 millisieverts a year. Medical procedures, such as X-rays, account for most of the remaining 12% of a typical person’s annual dose.
(voice of Japanese emergency worker in background)
So what of Fukushima Dai-ichi?
Gerry Thomas: "In real terms, I doubt that there’ll be any radiological consequences to the population at all."
Abel Gonzalez: "The second big impact of Chernobyl was the famous thyroid cancers in children. And these thyroid cancers have happened because the children were drinking contaminated milk. Well this is not the case in Fukushima. The mothers knew, and children were not given contaminated milk. The milk was controlled. Therefore, we should expect, basically, not a thyroid impact in Fukushima.”
(Japanese emergency worker voices in gackground)
Narrator: By comparison with the front line workers tackling Chernobyl, the safety provisions were very different for the Fukushima workers.
Abel Gonzalez: "They were very well protected. They had very proper clothes, they had a record of doses, they had controls."
Gerry Thomas: "Now they have had higher doses of radiation than the population outside, but they are an order of magnitude less than the doses received by the fire-fighters and helicopter pilots in Chernobyl. so I think it’s highly unlikely that they’ll suffer any long-term consequences going forward with the doses that they’ve probably received.”
Narrator: So thanks to measures taken by the Japanese authorities, expert opinion is that we can expect no health impact on the population around Fukushima due to radiation. As for the workers at the site, they too can expect to avoid ill effects from the exposure they received. So if the health consequences are not what they are commonly believed to be, what are the consequences of a serious nuclear accident like Chernobyl?
Malcolm Crick: "When we think then about the non-radiation impact, clearly this has been a tremendous trauma for the people in terms of the stress and anxiety and the concern that the radiation environment has caused them, and the countermeasures that have been made that have disrupted their lives."
Abel Gonzalez: "Chernobyl was a real catastrophe for the people of the region. They changed the politics of the region, they changed all the social infrastructure, they changed all the economy of the region; but [it] was not a health impact. What the media have been saying about that were simply wrong statements produced by misinformed people. "
(newspaper headlines shown)
Narrator: In the confusion and disruption that follows a nuclear accident, the social and economic consequences become far greater than those relating to public health.
So what can be done?
Malcolm Crick: "Well I think the scientific community has to do a much better job of communicating to the public or to the lay person. Decisions are being made all the time on fairly important issues that relate to the understanding of the science, and I think the understanding is hindered by the quality of the communication that we – the scientific community – have given in the past. And I think we’ve got to do a better job at this. We have to have this in our programmes of work for the future; some really thoughtful consideration of how we communicate better rather complex ideas to the public and decision-makers so that they can really assimilate and appreciate what we are talking about."
Gerry Thomas: "I don't think we should blame the media completely for what happens. Scientists have a responsibility as well. It’s important to be able to get a public understanding of the science of a situation like what happened at Fukushima, out there, so that the public can make a judgement for itself. And if nobody is willing to talk to the media on the science side, or a government representative, for example, being put forward who understands the science and can answer the questions, then that feeds people’s fear.
Communication is actually extremely important in a disaster like that, and if communication had been better post-Chernobyl, if communication had been better post-Fukushima, maybe we wouldn't have done the psychological damage that we appear to have done to those populations.”
(Text shown on screen following spoken dialog)
"Scientists, industry and governments must work harder to dispel widespread myths about the radiation effects of nuclear accidents.
For the people of Fukushima, the question of when they can return home should be determined by rational science-based judgments
Nuclear power holds great potential to meet growing worldwide energy need in the 21st Century
Fulilment of this potential will depend on better public understanding of radiation."

[DNA]

I thought this was pretty good as well. Especially because it points out that the scary radiation spreading map is bogus and shows that it is actually showing tsunami waves and the direction they are traveling after the earthquake of 3-ll. This makes sense if you follow that red line to Oregon being as they (Oregon) had the strongest tsunami waves of those that hit the USA.





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[Hawkwind]

...But I'll still dig, because, well, when it comes down to it, I like fish, and this whole thing has turned me completely away from fish.
So, if nothing else, I'm going to dig just so I can know for 100% weather or not I can go back to the tasty bounty of the sea.

Or not...


http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn111/Mjr_gamer/compost_zpsyeebvrlr.jpg

If you're going to stop eating anything that could potentially harm your body, you're pretty much going to have to stop eating. There's also a fairly high risk of the air you're breathing being contaminated with pathogens, so maybe it would be best to stop breathing as well, just to be safe. :P

[Hawkwind]

Also, think about this...if Fukushima is THAT bad, killing the Pacific, contaminating all of sea life, threatening the very existence of mankind, there would be a massive worldwide effort, headlines every day, countries all over working tirelessly together, to fix the problem.

Unless, of course, the objective of the people who own the media was to kill off most of the people on the planet.

[Bill Ryan]

Unless, of course, the objective of the people who own the media was to kill off most of the people on the planet.

I think I've posted about this before, but back in 2011-12 I was standing in a supermarket in Ecuador (quite a large, modern one, with a lot of American-style junk food in it) — and I had quite a profound, direct experience. I realized, with total certainty, that they were trying to kill us.

That wasn't new information, of course, but the WAY I received this was unusual and unique.

I suddenly felt I was standing in their shoes, and directly felt the hatred and revulsion they feel towards the 'useless eaters'. Their viewpoint was like trying to handle an infestation of rats in a large building. It was exactly like that.

It lasted a couple of minutes, and then faded away. I was left thinking: "OMG. This is EXACTLY how they see us." It was cold, calculating, contempt, combined with a determination to deal with the problem. I've never forgotten it... a very valuable experience.

:focus:

[DNA]

I think I've posted about this before, but back in 2011-12 I was standing in a supermarket in Ecuador (quite a large, modern one, with a lot of American-style junk food in it) — and I had quite a profound, direct experience. I realized, with total certainty, that they were trying to kill us.

That wasn't new information, of course, but the WAY I received this was unusual and unique.

I suddenly felt I was standing in their shoes, and directly felt the hatred and revulsion they feel towards the 'useless eaters'. Their viewpoint was like trying to handle an infestation of rats in a large building. It was exactly like that.

It lasted a couple of minutes, and then faded away. I was left thinking: "OMG. This is EXACTLY how they see us." It was cold, calculating, contempt, combined with a determination to deal with the problem. I've never forgotten it... a very valuable experience.

:focus:

I had a similar moment in 2010.
I had an amazing bit of synchronicity, as it turned out, there were three books I had been reading with no real impulse to hurry up and finish them. Val Valerian's Matrix II, The Report from Iron Mountain and Kevin Treadue's "The weightloss cure they don't want you to know about". All three of these books converged in my reading within a few days of one another and the message was clear.

And in case folks are minimizing the impact one Kevin Trudeau can make, one should check out the lengthy jail sentence he got for having written that book. He is presently serving a 10 year prison sentence for writing "the weight loss cure they don't want you to know about".

It's funny really in an ironic sort of way. Trudeau stated in his book that he being a fairly rich guy "having some 30 million in the bank" was by no means a member of what you would call the elite, but rather, through the association of someone who was close on that end he was invited to a meeting of sorts on a giant yacht.
He stated that these people were in fact the elite, and that they were discussing ways in which to get rid of the useless eaters on this planet. Their final strategy was to poison the food people eat and to treat the symptoms of that poisoning with drugs that would actually only cause more disease. Here is kind of a breakdown of what he had stated in his book.

1. The Government wants to kill off the population, so they are doing so with food causing diseases and big pharma treating the symptons of the diseases and causing more diseases in the process.

2. Pesticides and petroleum based fertilizers cause fruits and vegetables to no longer be a positive part of your diet.

3. GMO'd food is as much designed to kill you as it is designed to increase yields in crops.

4. Preservatives in processed foods are a poison.

5. Most weight loss cures are designed to keep you fat and in the process kill you.

6. HCG will help you lose weight, and once you've lost the weight, eat anything you want as long as it is organic.

7. People didn't start getting obese, or rather what we call obese until chemicals, preservatives and hydrogenated oils were added to our diets.


Bottom line Trudeau got 10 years in prison for speaking the TRUTH. I don't care what he has stated before and or his track record, this time, bottom line he is speaking the truth, and he is paying a price and being made an example of.

[onawah]

EXACTLY!! :bump:
And what if those who are saying the dangers are minimal are being paid to in order to calm the fears of the "useless eaters" who are paying attention, or discredit those who are issuing warnings?
Arnie Gunderson and Linda Moulton Howe are credible enough for me.
Such a great way for the controllers to put into practice their philosophy of "survival of the fittest".



Also, think about this...if Fukushima is THAT bad, killing the Pacific, contaminating all of sea life, threatening the very existence of mankind, there would be a massive worldwide effort, headlines every day, countries all over working tirelessly together, to fix the problem.

Unless, of course, the objective of the people who own the media was to kill off most of the people on the planet.

[bettye198]

I don't have documented data to present but one thing I do know. In our practice the problem of thyroid deficiency has shot up over 100% since Fukushima. Second, I too, stay completely away from West coast seafood. If I buy Atlantic Wild, I have to be craving it. Either way, my whole issue with seafood is spurious. The Gulf is still putting shrimp now in Trader Joes. Excuse me? Anything to make a buck!

My Mom and Dad were in Europe when Chernobyl blew. They remember when they took a train to France from Italy or Austria where ever they were, the French would not serve any lettuce or above ground crop in the restaurants. So why would that not also affect livestock and chickens? My Mom had a preexisting osteoporosis going on and since Chernobyl it worsened in record time. Her one leg completely bowed from Pagets and consequently it brought down her whole life, with hip displacement, small fractures and a horror show of hospitalizations for 6 mos straight. I do not dismiss the negative effects that are seemingly harmless at the time, of nuclear radiation poisoning.

[TargeT]

Tepco says: "Nothing to see here, all is well, move along...

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pictures-mutated-japanese-plants-show-extreme-effects-leaking-fukushima-radiation (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pictures-mutated-japanese-plants-show-extreme-effects-leaking-fukushima-radiation/)

Pictures of Mutated Japanese Plants Show Extreme Effects of Leaking Fukushima Radiation

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGAcNp4UoAITw69.jpg


If I show you a picture of what you expect to see, does that make it true?

or....


It’s possible the flower deformity could have been induced by radiation, says Jeffrey J. Doyle, a professor of plant biology at Cornell University. However, “this is a pretty common mutation in daisies that I’ve seen sporadically in various places not associated with radioactivity,” he says.

There are many factors that can cause the oddity, Doyle says, from chemicals to diseases, a hormone imbalance, or random mutations to inherited genes. This particular malformation has been seen in numerous species of the world’s 20,000 members of the daisy family, from Holland to Idaho.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/07/150723-fukushima-mutated-daisies-flowers-radiation-science/

Really, these pictures (alone) are the worst... they give no conext, no data other than an image and an inference... please don't be fooled by these visual logical fallacies.




EXACTLY!! :bump:
And what if those who are saying the dangers are minimal are being paid to in order to calm the fears of the "useless eaters" who are paying attention, or discredit those who are issuing warnings?



Also, think about this...if Fukushima is THAT bad, killing the Pacific, contaminating all of sea life, threatening the very existence of mankind, there would be a massive worldwide effort, headlines every day, countries all over working tirelessly together, to fix the problem.

Unless, of course, the objective of the people who own the media was to kill off most of the people on the planet.

It should be very simple to illistrate this fact... Wars have body counts, disasters do to.


The first question should be: how many people died due to fukushima radiation or events that WEREN't directly tied to the earthquake (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties)?








Did you guess none?




Can you not see the manipulation, the fear based EVERYTHING? It seems very obvious to me.

How come this entire thread isn't listing radiation levels, measurements or ANY data related items?


EXTRA extra credit: what was the highest level of radiation found outside the fuku. plant (and was it above or BELOW normal background radiation...)


SUPER DUPER extra credit:

Answer this honestly... Do you understand radiation for your self or are you just going off what others have told you?


I didn't used to know much about radiation other than what I learned from TV and school & it was some terrifying ****... but then I learned to separate emotion and logic & have started to question quite a few things lately... so much so that I lived with a uranium ore pendant around my neck for almost two years & got healthier... I bought a Gieger counter and conducted experiences with my ore (because, how else do you REALLY comprehend a topic?)


This is a pretty conspiracy heavy forum.. where have all your heads gone... why not ask Cui Bono?


Why isn't this statement for front in your mind on this discussion:

Decommissioning the plant is evaluated to cost tens of billions of dollars and last 30–40 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_disaster_cleanup

and NO ONE has died... how is this not the BEST "protection racket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_racket)" you've ever seen? I mean... **** the guys doing the clean (http://intpolicydigest.org/2015/08/21/japan-s-nuclear-gypsies-the-homeless-jobless-and-fukushima/) up are managed by theYAKUZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza)!!!!! this seems exceedingly obvious to me. Like... it couldn't POSSIBLY get more obvious.

[sigma6]

Hey DNA. I watched a documentary a couple years ago about a scientist who claimed nuclear reactors were so harmless he actually swam in the reactor water. I spent a few minutes looking for it but I have to get to work so don't have time to keep looking. I'll try again after work today if no one has found it by then.
You know, TPTB just love to scare the crap out of us. I am skeptical of pretty much anything and everything, especially when all of major media is on the same page...and especially when they are on the same page about an issue where we come to realize there are some major shenanigans going on (the 3/11 tsunami). What better way to scare people from experimenting with nuclear power or to keep them away from nuclear power plants than to condition people to how dangerous they are. Also, think about this...if Fukushima is THAT bad, killing the Pacific, contaminating all of sea life, threatening the very existence of mankind, there would be a massive worldwide effort, headlines every day, countries all over working tirelessly together, to fix the problem. I don't see any of that. No urgency, no international effort, nothing. A little weird if you ask me.

Matt

... good point... and they are dropping a pretty penny buying oil right now (at gun point... in a way...) imagine what would happen to the global oil supply if Japan stopped sucking up all that oil and turned their nukes on again?... Japan loves Nuke energy... and relies on nuke energy per capita more then any country on earth...

[Matt P]

I agree the elite are trying to kill us but Fukushima doesn't fit the model in my opinion. Food, yes. The elite can choose not to eat it. Pharma drugs, pesticides, gmo's, vaccines...all those are choices that the elite can avoid. But spewing radiation all over the planet? That would be very difficult to control, direct..... and avoid.

Also, about those photos of deformed fruits and veggies....I'll post some pictures of some of my strawberries and tomatoes in a couple months and you'll think I live IN Fukushima! :) lol Or maybe there's a radiation leak here in Lexington, Ky, too!

Matt

[Citizen No2]

This is an interesting read:

http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-fukushima-peoples-feet-turned-black-years-because-radiation-levels-high-every-time-turned-around-radiation-damage-hair-fell-bloody-noses-bodies-covered-boils-officials-covering-pu


Regards.

[DNA]

I agree the elite are trying to kill us but Fukushima doesn't fit the model in my opinion. Food, yes. The elite can choose not to eat it. Pharma drugs, pesticides, gmo's, vaccines...all those are choices that the elite can avoid. But spewing radiation all over the planet? That would be very difficult to control, direct..... and avoid.

Also, about those photos of deformed fruits and veggies....I'll post some pictures of some of my strawberries and tomatoes in a couple months and you'll think I live IN Fukushima! :) lol Or maybe there's a radiation leak here in Lexington, Ky, too!

Matt

Hi Matt

I agree 100% here. The elite in their words are "environmentalists", and all signs point to Fukushima being an event that was handled so incompetently one wonders if the fix was in, and what is viewed as incompetence by many is actually guys on the inside paid to do exactly what they did. There is no way this would be the case if it was going to kill off the Pacific ocean.
The elite are getting rid of "us" to keep "their" planet beautiful.
At least that is their plan. Let us hope that is not going to be the case. :shielddeflect:
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TEPCO couldn’t get battery during Fukushima meltdown; went to hardware store the next day
(http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/tepco-couldnt-get-battery-during-fukushima-meltdown-went-to-hardware-store-the-next-day)
→National Oct. 10, 2012 - 07:15AM JST ( 110 )



TEPCO couldn’t get battery during Fukushima meltdown; went to hardware store the next day
TOKYO —

Recent tapes released have sent ripples across Japan’s news programs showing first-hand Tokyo Electric Power Company’s (TEPCO) handling of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster. Many were outraged over TEPCO management’s muddled communications with plant director, an increasingly frustrated Masao Yoshida.

Among the hours and hours of footage, there’s one particularly odd incident in which one of the largest electric companies in Japan couldn’t seem to get their hands on a battery. In fact, it took about 24 hours and trip to the hardware store to buy it while on the brink of meltdown.

With reactors 2 and 3 on the verge of having a meltdown, the on-site team had to open a valve to release coolant into the reactors. However, with the extensive damage to the plant, an ordinary car battery was needed to power the valve controls.

The following dialog is taken from a TV program which outlines what took place on March 13 with Fukushima Daiichi and TEPCO management trying to get a battery.

Fukushima Daiichi Materials Team
“We don’t have enough cash. Sorry to ask but if it’s possible could you lend it to me? We’d appreciate it.”

Head Office
Akio Komori, Managing Director (at the time)
“I wonder if someone’s using the helicopter today. Who’s using the helicopter? We can use a helicopter to carry the cash.”

Narrator
“Units 2 and 3 are also in danger of meltdown. They had to connect a car battery to the valve to activate the reactor coolant. However, there wasn’t even enough cash to buy one…Finally after 10 hours…”

Head Office
Akio Komori, Managing Director (at the time)
“We sent a person from the head office to [Fukushima’s] off-site center carrying a lot of cash. You can get it from the off-site center.”

Fukushima Daiichi
Masao Yoshida, Fukushima Director (at the time)
“Okay, I should write an IOU for this, right?”

Head Office
Akio Komori, Managing Director (at the time)
“No need. I’ll take your word for it.”

Fukushima Daiichi
Masao Yoshida
“Got it. Thank you.”

Narrator
However, instructions to evacuate beyond 20km of Fukushima have already gone out. There were no shops open nearby.

Fukushima Daiichi Materials Team
“We are working hard to procure [a battery] but our best chance is in Iwaki which is 6 hours away. We request your assistance, Head Office.”

Off-Site Center
“Today we went to Iwaki to get a battery but couldn’t get one.”

Fukushima Daiichi Materials Team
“Tomorrow we’re going to a home center to buy stuff. If there’s anything you want bring us a list or tell us… whatever… just come down.”

Narrator
“It’s unbelievable that they would go shopping for supplies at a home center during the worst nuclear disaster in the world.”

Soon after both units 2 and 3 were said to have reached meltdown. Yoshida retired late last year, reportedly diagnosed with cancer and having suffered a brain hemorrhage which experts say are not related to radiation exposure.

[TargeT]

I agree the elite are trying to kill us but Fukushima doesn't fit the model in my opinion. Food, yes. The elite can choose not to eat it. Pharma drugs, pesticides, gmo's, vaccines...all those are choices that the elite can avoid. But spewing radiation all over the planet? That would be very difficult to control, direct..... and avoid.

Also, about those photos of deformed fruits and veggies....I'll post some pictures of some of my strawberries and tomatoes in a couple months and you'll think I live IN Fukushima! :) lol Or maybe there's a radiation leak here in Lexington, Ky, too!

Matt

Hi Matt

I agree 100% here. The elite in their words are "environmentalists", and all signs point to Fukushima being an event that was handled so incompetently one wonders if the fix was in, and what is viewed as incompetence by many is actually guys on the inside paid to do exactly what they did. There is no way this would be the case if it was going to kill off the Pacific ocean.
The elite are getting rid of "us" to keep "their" planet beautiful.
At least that is their plan. Let us hope that is not going to be the case. :shielddeflect:


The best way to control ANYTHING is via energy restriction/regulation... Nuclear energy would have made this almost impossible as electricity would be nearly free (3-4 cents per KWH or less).

this is the main reason nuclear energy has been vilified, plus who ever builds a breeder reactor is basically just building a weapons grade plutonium producing plant... the only "peaceful" reactors are thorium based (as they are very difficult to make weapons grade material with).

and yet those were never used after the 1940's... (Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors... LFTR); hell these reactors can use the current Breeder reactor WASTE as fuel! (so we have an entire stockpile of fuel for them for FREE at Yukka mountain... in fact it would save us money to use that waste instead of store it).

If you look at the meta data on this topic it's clearly a scam being run to "our" detriment.


This is an interesting read:

http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-fukushima-peoples-feet-turned-black-years-because-radiation-levels-high-every-time-turned-around-radiation-damage-hair-fell-bloody-noses-bodies-covered-boils-officials-covering-pu


Regards.

Apparently enenews just lies all the time?

None of that article can be verified.. it's mostly outright fabrications.

[Ewan]

I agree the elite are trying to kill us but Fukushima doesn't fit the model in my opinion. Food, yes. The elite can choose not to eat it. Pharma drugs, pesticides, gmo's, vaccines...all those are choices that the elite can avoid. But spewing radiation all over the planet? That would be very difficult to control, direct..... and avoid.

Also, about those photos of deformed fruits and veggies....I'll post some pictures of some of my strawberries and tomatoes in a couple months and you'll think I live IN Fukushima! :) lol Or maybe there's a radiation leak here in Lexington, Ky, too!

Matt

The same could be said of atmospheric spraying though. Did they not think that through or have they other ways to deal with it. Medical advances just for them, transhumanism etc? Between radiation and aluminum and whatever else might be in those particulates they have the potential to lay waste to the planet.

[TargeT]

The same could be said of atmospheric spraying though. Did they not think that through or have they other ways to deal with it. Medical advances just for them, transhumanism etc? Between radiation and aluminum and whatever else might be in those particulates they have the potential to lay waste to the planet.

Medically what does barium do to you? or any of the highly speculative substances that we assume are being sprayed everywhere (in reality, they aren't... ) There is quite a bit of geo-engineering going on, but it's not every plane you see, it's not even 1% of the planes you see and it's targeted, not wide spread (whats the point of wide spread spraying.).

I think you have just started to build a good case against chemtrails ;)

[Cidersomerset]

I just posted this on the bigger thread and it gave me a clearer insight into the
levels of radiation we are talking about and comparing them with something easier
to relate to I think ? Smoking is still at present the biggest radiation risk.

I'm not sure what will happen after the initial hype life still goes on outside the
exclusion zone and there are places you would expect to be dangerous recovering.
The hospital near Chernobyl which lies abandoned with clothing showing very high
levels of radiation just lying there. It seems that should be sorted out ?

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The Most Radioactive Places on Earth

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Who on Earth is exposed to the most ionizing radiation?
Check out Audible: http://bit.ly/AudibleVe

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Cigarette Smoking and Radiation

http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/local/b/images/smoking2_355px.jpg

CDC estimates that cigarettes and tobacco use kill more Americans each year than
alcohol, car accidents, suicide, AIDS, homicide, and illegal drugs combined. Most
people know that cigarette smoke and tobacco contain many toxic substances
including tar, arsenic, nicotine and cyanide.

The common dangers of cigarettes have been known for decades. However, few
people know that tobacco also contains radioactive materials: polonium-210 and
lead-210. Together, the toxic and radioactive substances in cigarettes harm
smokers. They also harm people exposed to secondhand smoke. For more
information on secondhand smoke, please see the CDC website, Smoking and
Tobacco Use.

What are Polonium-210 and Lead-210?

Radioactive materials, like polonium-210 and lead-210 are found naturally in the
soil and air. They are also found in the high-phosphate fertilizers that farmers use
on their crops. Polonium-210 and lead-210 get into and onto tobacco leaves and
remain there even after the tobacco has been processed.

When a smoker lights a cigarette and inhales the tobacco smoke, the toxic and
radioactive substances in the smoke enter the lungs where they can cause direct
and immediate damage to the cells and tissues. The same toxic and radioactive
substances can also damage the lungs of people nearby.

read more...

http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/smoking.htm

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http://www.myshared.ru/slide/1169025/

[TargeT]

The hospital near Chernobyl which lies abandoned with clothing showing very high
levels of radiation just lying there. It seems that should be sorted out ?


Oh please define "high levels of radiation"

seirously, your as bad as these terrible articles you post.... give NUMBERS not baseless words...


so far "high" has been B A R E L Y above background radiation in fukushima... (aka, less radiation than or close to what you would get from eating a banana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose))

[Bill Ryan]

give NUMBERS not baseless words...



All the numbers are in this audio.

Coast to Coast - Linda Howe on Fukushima Mar 31 2016 - Hour 2.mp3


http://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Coast to Coast - Linda Howe on Fukushima Mar 31 2016 - Hour 2.mp3 (14 Mb)

[Ewan]

Cider, that CDC article sounds a bit biased, or loaded. They clearly state,
Radioactive materials, like polonium-210 and lead-210 are found naturally in the soil and air. They are also found in the high-phosphate fertilizers that farmers use
on their crops. Ergo the radioactive materials must get into every food source and lungful of air, smoking may compund the problem certainly but so does eating a salad (in terms of radiation exposure) if that reasoning is taken to a conclusion.

In regards to LMH's figures, I'm afraid I have lost a lot of confidence in her.

[Cidersomerset]

. Ergo the radioactive materials must get into every food source and
lungful of air, smoking may compund the problem certainly but so does eating
a salad (in terms of radiation exposure) if that reasoning is taken to a conclusion.


Oh please define "high levels of radiation"

I think that's the point radiation is everywhere , the figures are confusing.
In the vid radiation varies widely on the banana scale. The ion material
says radiation is good for us and our bodies are mutating. I'm just posting
articles I find interesting that maybe right or wrong on the bigger thread.
At the hospital near Chernobyl the radiation went off the scale and his
hand held meter said overload and he said if he stayed for an hour
he would receive his annual dose of background radiation 2,000 microsieverts.
But he goes onto say it is relative as in a CT scan you can het 7,000 sieverts
three and a half years worth. Then he gives some more comparisons which
is backing up the point that he does not think the levels are to serious at the
moment compared to other sources . Others say the opposite .

[syrwong]

The pictures in this report of last year are blown out of proportion too? Its says even the Pacific sharks are getting cancer.

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/493

https://cdn.superstation95.com/images/shark-tumors.jpg?1450143015

[Cidersomerset]

Coast To Coast AM - March 31, 2016 Fukushima & Nuclear Issues

Linda starts aprox 39 mins in.....

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Published on 1 Apr 2016


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Fukushima's Harsh Warning by Chris Busby 2016 HD

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Published on 9 Feb 2016

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/authors/christopher-busby/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Busby

[TargeT]

give NUMBERS not baseless words...



All the numbers are in this audio.

Coast to Coast - Linda Howe on Fukushima Mar 31 2016 - Hour 2.mp3


http://we.tl/36Uazc2jaq (https://we.tl/36Uazc2jaq) (14 Mb)
or here
http://projectavalon.net/Coast_to_Coast_Linda_Howe_on_Fukushima_Mar_31_2016_Hour_2.mp3


yet no one here cares enough to post them, when they should be the first thing posted in any type of thread like this...

You don't say that "houston has massive flooding" when in reality its 3 inches of standing water (by the way, that is an EXCELLENT analogy for what is going on here).



I think that's the point radiation is everywhere , the figures are confusing.


If you are going to champion this cause, it is your obligation to learn about radiation levels, they are NOT confusing, just a bit complex. Otherwise you are ignorant to the topic and are being a mouthpiece for who knows what agenda (I'm pretty sure I do, and have detailed it in this thread).


The pictures in this report of last year are blown out of proportion too? Its says even the Pacific sharks are getting cancer.

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/493

https://cdn.superstation95.com/images/shark-tumors.jpg?1450143015

yes, absolutely... the fact that you don't know this is a bit scary... a random picture means nothing with out a LOT of context.

I"ve seen fish like that before 2010 before 2005... before 2000.... I grew up fishing on the pacific coast (boat or scuba-spear fishing... terribly cold, I don't recommend) the number of variables is almost inconceivable and not even mentioned in the article you posted... that's as biased and "blown out of proportion" as it gets.

did you seriously believe this from the article?:


Star Fish - are supposed to have FIVE legs. The shape of a star. Look what radiation did to this one:
https://cdn.superstation95.com/images/Strange_starfish.jpg

Do you know what that is? a NORMAL sunflower starfish... N O R M A L


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-drMF97XGfLY/T_ZLouKCw0I/AAAAAAAAE6U/zAPxhNlzWXs/s1600/Starfish.jpg
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/19-bizarre-and-beautiful-starfish-species

[Cidersomerset]

If you are going to champion this cause

I told you before on the other thread I am not championing this cause . I am trying
to find out what is happening , You may say Dr.Busby above is an alarmist but as
an independent scientist he is not bound by the interests of the nuclear industry.
He may be right or wrong in his assumptions but is worth a listen imo.

As you know I live a few of miles from Hinkley point power station , which is
about to build a new reactor and will provide many jobs in the area , so socially
and economically is a very important project.I can have an interest without having
to be an expert.

[TargeT]

If you are going to champion this cause

I told you before on the other thread I am not championing this cause . I am trying
to find out what is happening ,


every article you post has one thrust: fear porn... nothing from "the other side"

so if you are trying to figure it out, you are doing it wrong.

I shouldn't be the only rational voice here.

when trying to discover something, you look at facts, not emotion. PERIOD.

[Cidersomerset]

every article you post has one thrust: fear porn... nothing from "the other side"

I would post some of Ions comments if they were available, they certainly
don't think its a problem. The trouble is there is not many parts I can post.
Also this is bringing in ' non -physical ' which some peoples and elites have
been talking to for thousands of years. But you cannot bring this up in scientific
circles openly , even though Ion claims many listen to their shows.

This is a short clip from 2011 ? It does not give you a great deal other than a
reference to the changing global radiation levels.


Ion speaking to Ebben Ray.

http://ionandbob.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/h197-radiation.html

H197 Radiation

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iON talks about the fire at Los Alamos National Labortories, the flooding of the Fort Calhoun nuclear
power plant in Nebraska, Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant and the significance of H197 at this moment.

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Stabilizing H197

17 March 2014

http://ionandbob.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/stabilizing-h197.html

[Cidersomerset]

Aprox 41 mins in they visit RAF Bentwaters to bunkers that held nuclear
warheads in the cold war ( Rendlesham UFO incident) and claims they did
not house these weapons , certainly at the time. Which is probably more
interesting for me but that's another subject.....They finish off talking about
Thoriam reactors a possible missed more reliable source and transmutation,
which actually can turn lead to gold. But is being researched into getting rid
of nuclear waste.

pdldiAdU_bc

Is Nuclear Power Safe - BBC Documentary from around sept 2011 ?

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Published on 23 Jan 2016


Jim Al-Khalili
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Al-Khalili

[syrwong]

I don't understand why the report had this picture of a species of starfish with 18 tanticles to scare people. May be it is disinfo to discredit the real info. More scary, I find, is that starfish are dying en masse, with many of them having fewer than 5 legs. Their legs appeared to walk away and still alive.

http://www.naturalnews.com/046474_star_fish_Pacific_ocean_wasting_syndrome.html

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/09/massive-starfish-die-off-baffles-scientists/

From .nationalgeographic.com:
“[The starfish] seem to waste away, ‘deflate’ a little, and then just … disintegrate. The arms just detach, and the central disc falls apart. It seems to happen rapidly, and not just dead animals undergoing decomposition, as I observed single arms clinging to the rock faces, tube feet still moving, with the skin split, gills flapping in the current. I’ve seen single animals in the past looking like this, and the first dive this morning I thought it might be crabbers chopping them up and tossing them off the rocks. Then we did our second dive in an area closed to fishing, and in absolutely amazing numbers. The bottom from about 20 to 50 feet [6 to 15 meters] was absolutely littered with arms, oral discs, tube feet, gonads and gills … it was kind of creepy.”

http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/09/9661825446_8c96edc8e0_o-721x700.jpg
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/files/2013/09/9661775604_f3d012ff80_o.jpg

[TargeT]

I don't understand why the report had this picture of a species of starfish with 18 tanticles to scare people. May be it is disinfo to discredit the real info. More scary, I find, is that starfish are dying en masse, with many of them having fewer than 5 legs. Their legs appeared to walk away and still alive.


Ocean die offs have happened for a long time, you cannot guess at the cause just based on some pictures or anecdotal stories; this is not related to radiation, more likely low O2 levels (typical of most die offs) which indicates a change in the zooplankton. We are going through a massive change in the caribbean right now... entire banks of reef are dying off due to the change in the zooplankton, this is a very very complex ecosystem.

I agree it's a concern, but I would not dare speculate on the causation.

[DNA]

Cider, that CDC article sounds a bit biased, or loaded. They clearly state,
Radioactive materials, like polonium-210 and lead-210 are found naturally in the soil and air. They are also found in the high-phosphate fertilizers that farmers use
on their crops. Ergo the radioactive materials must get into every food source and lungful of air, smoking may compund the problem certainly but so does eating a salad (in terms of radiation exposure) if that reasoning is taken to a conclusion.

In regards to LMH's figures, I'm afraid I have lost a lot of confidence in her.



Nice post Ewan.
I was going to post about this last night but I had crying babies. :panda:


The soil tobacco is grown in is kind of a huge deal.
The petroleum bases fertilizers increase the radioactive element a great deal. Especially the polonium content.


Radioactive Fertilizer—The Surprising Primary Cause of Lung Cancer in Smokers
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/02/10/radioactive-fertilizer.aspx


It's well-recognized that smoking cigarettes can cause lung cancer. What isn't clear is exactly what it is in the cigarette or its smoke that causes it. Interestingly, while it may seem obvious that added chemicals would be prime culprits, research suggests it may be something else entirely.
This "something else" in turn could also have potential ramifications for our food supply, and might be an indicator of potential carcinogenicity in genetically engineered foods as well as tobacco, although there's no evidence of such a link as of yet.
The factor I'm talking about is polonium-210—a highly radioactive element1 that releases alpha particles as it decays. It's also chemically toxic.2 While alpha particles cannot penetrate deeply into your body, they can cause serious damage to cells they do come into contact with.
While naturally present in small amounts in the environment, one of the primary sources of exposure is via calcium phosphate fertilizers, used on tobacco fields and food crops respectively.

The Hidden Threat of Radioactive Fertilizer Contamination
Research suggests that it's the radiation from these fertilizers that appear to cause the most lung damage, and are the primary cause of cancer in smokers.3, 4, 5 In fact, polonium is the only component of cigarette smoke shown to produce cancer in laboratory animals.6 As noted in a 2009 study:7
"In a person smoking 1 1/2 packs of cigarettes per day, the radiation dose to the bronchial epithelium in areas of bifurcation is 8000 mrem per year -- the equivalent of the dose to the skin from 300 x-ray films of the chest per year."
According to a 2011 report published in the journal Nicotine and Tobacco Research,8 secret internal documents obtained from the major tobacco industries in 1998 reveal that the industry was well aware of the presence of this radioactive element in cigarettes as early as 1959.
"Acid wash was discovered in 1980 to be highly effectively in removing polonium-210 from the tobacco leaves; however, the industry avoided its use for concerns that acid media would ionize nicotine converting it into a poorly absorbable form into the brain of smokers thus depriving them of the much sought after instant 'nicotine kick' sensation," the researchers noted.
The report concluded that "the evidence of lung cancer risk caused by cigarette smoke radioactivity is compelling enough to warrant its removal." Now, if tobacco leaves become a source of cancer-causing radioactivity due to the fertilizers used, what about food grown with these phosphate fertilizers?
Remarkably, according to a report by the Florida Institute of Phosphate Research,9 American meat products and dairy may expose your organs to radiation doses that are equivalent to the dose received by smokers via cigarette smoke. I bet that might come as a huge shock to you.


Just to clarify, if you smoke organic tobacco, and you eat organic veggies you can help yourself a great deal by avoiding all of this.
Organic specifies that the fertilizer has to be organic as well.

[DNA]

Residents Living South of the Fukushima Dai-ichi Have Minimal Internal Radiation Exposure


October 20, 2015
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140482

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/AkiyamaFig1.pngAreas to the south of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. WBC measurement were performed at the Jyoban Hospital in central Iwaki, which is located about 50 km south of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. Study subjects were mainly hospital visitors from Iwaki and its suburbs.
The purpose of this post is to relate findings published (open access) in the peer-reviewed journal PLOSOne by Akiyama and colleagues (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140482) who investigated internal radiocesium contamination in residents living south of the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant. This post is the most recent in a series (http://www.dailykos.com/user/MarineChemist/history) dedicated to sharing the results of scientific research into the impact of the nuclear power plant disaster on ecosystem and public health. The Akiyama study builds on recent work (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/03/1348947/-Studying-Radioactive-Cesium-Contamination-of-Children-Affected-by-the-Fukushima-Disaster) by this group using a whole body counter (WBC) to look for internal contamination of residents living near (north and west) the reactors at the time of the meltdowns. Measurements were made on 9,206 affected individuals, including 6,446 school children (4-15 years) living south of the reactors or evacuated to Iwaki city following the bulk of radionuclide releases. Measurements began one year after the accident and continued for two years. The authors conclude that, despite lack of data for the first year following the disaster, internal doses experienced by residents to the south of the FNPP were minimal. This suggests that efforts to mitigate foodborne exposure have been largely successful and that nearly all the annual effective doses for this segment of the population more than one year after the disaster are likely due to external exposure.
Study Location


The study by Akiyama et al. can be found here (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0140482) as an open-access, peer reviewed publication in PLOSOne for anyone wishing to access the original paper and data. The Jyoban Hospital, Iwaki city was the site of WBC measurements and its proximity to the FNPP and air dose rate resulting from the background and radionculides from the disaster are shown on the map below:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/AkiyamaFig1.pngAreas to the south of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in relation to air dose rate and the location of Jyoban Hospital.
.The number of visitors to the hospital, their age and whether they had detectable levels of 137Cs (detection limit 250 Bq body-1) are shown in the figure below:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/AkiyamaetalFig2.pngMonthly visitors and those with detectable levels of 137-Cs (detection limit 250 Bq/body).
Results
Children
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/AkiyamaFig3.pngTwo children among the 6,446 children examined showed Cs-137 contamination levels that were over the detection limit, but Cs-134 levels were found above the detection limit.

A total of 6,446 children were tested, and only two boys (11 and 15 years old) were found to have detectable internal radiocesium (see Figure above). 137Cs in these two were just over the detection limit: 251 and 259 Bq body-1. This level of contamination would result in internal annual doses of 0.018 and 0.011 mSv year-1. 134Cs levels were below the detection limit of 220 Bq body-1. 99.9% of the children had no detectable internal Cs contamination and no other radionuclides except naturally occurring 40K were detected. Maximum annual effective doses from radiocesium, assuming conservatively that the children had a level corresponding to the detection limit of the WBC, were calculated as 0.03, 0.02, and 0.01 mSv year-1 for children aged 6, 10, and 15 years, respectively.
Adults
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/AkiyamaFig4.pngOf the 2,760 adults examined, 35 (1.26%) had very low levels of Cs-137 contamination. Cs-134 levels were below the detection limit.

Unlike the children a larger proportion of the adults (1.26% or 35/2760) had detectable levels of internal Cs contamination. Detectable radiocesium contamination was seen in adults throughout the screening period (ending in November 2014). 137Cs found in this 1.26% were in the range of 250 to 859 Bq body-1 with a median value of 318 Bq body-1. This level of contamination would mean doses of 0.008 to 0.028 mSv year-1, with a median dose of 0.011 mSv year-1.
Summary and Conclusions


Akiyama and colleagues found that:


2 children had 137-Cesium (137Cs, half life ~30 years) above the detection limit (250 Bq body-1) but no detectable 134-Cs (134Cs, half life ~ 2 years) early in the program
1.3% of adults (35 of 2,760) had detectable internal contamination but only for 137Cs (range 250-859 Bq body-1)
only one of these adults still had detectable internal contamination after the first year
other than naturally occurring 40K no other gamma emitting isotopes were detected
conservative maximum effective doses experienced by the schoolchildren and adults from internal radiocesium were 0.029 and 0.028 mSv year-1 respectively and far below the 1 mSv year-1 set by the Japanese Government


These findings suggest that the internal Cs contamination in residents of areas south of the nuclear plant is minimal. It appears that programs that encourage consumption of only inspected foods and/or commercially distributed food from unaffected areas has been successful in controlling radio-contamination and that public education about radio-contamination and mitigation strategies have been similarly successful. Whole body measurements of radio-contamination suggest that annual effective doses for this segment of the population more than one year after the disaster are likely to be due to external exposure. Further work to monitor the health of affected individuals and their exposure to artificial radionuclides through time will be invaluable toward determining the impact of the disaster on public health.

[TargeT]

Just to clarify, if you smoke organic tobacco, and you eat organic veggies you can help yourself a great deal by avoiding all of this.
Organic specifies that the fertilizer has to be organic as well.


if it's healthy soil you are still going to get some small dose of radiation.. maybe .05 microsieverts or so (which is stupid to even measure it's so low).

But seriously, radiation (at apropriate levels) is VERY healthy for you... so depriving your self of all radiation is almost as bad as getting too much.... (same as everything in reality: moderation in everything).



These findings suggest that the internal Cs contamination in residents of areas south of the nuclear plant is minimal.

Minimal? HA! I'd say statistically non-existent.

[DNA]

Some really good stuff posted by TargeT over on Cider's thread, you can go there by hitting the link on TargeT's quote hyperlink.




http://www.blacksmithinstitute.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Full-Image1.png


just look at those numbers!!!!!!!!!

For reference, here's the scale:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png

[bettye198]

I have read for years that the tobacco is one thing, if heavily sprayed and containing additives, but the paper is also sprayed with opiates. This has contributed to the addictive effect. If you roll your own and get straight organic tobacco, you will discover tobacco is actually a healing herb. This comes on the heels of everything Big Pharma promotes. The main drugs that have been on the market for years contain herbs that actually heal but the components/additives twist and distort their meaning and create a poison to disrupt.

[bettye198]

Some really good stuff posted by TargeT over on Cider's thread, you can go there by hitting the link on TargeT's quote hyperlink.




http://www.blacksmithinstitute.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Full-Image1.png


just look at those numbers!!!!!!!!!

For reference, here's the scale:
http://imgs.xkcd.com/blag/radiation.png

You know what is scary as hell DNA? And thanks for the map. We live within the 50 mile mark of San Onofre Nuclear Plant that sits closed down probably still leaking on a beach. Its the elephant in the city. A story that curdles my blood occurred about 3-4 yrs ago. It was in the town newspaper. A family was walking along that beach near the closed plant. The woman saw beautiful shiny unusual rocks and put them in her pocket. Well, those rocks radiated a hole in her leg. Seriously.

[TargeT]

I have read for years that the tobacco is one thing, if heavily sprayed and containing additives, but the paper is also sprayed with opiates. This has contributed to the addictive effect. If you roll your own and get straight organic tobacco, you will discover tobacco is actually a healing herb. This comes on the heels of everything Big Pharma promotes. The main drugs that have been on the market for years contain herbs that actually heal but the components/additives twist and distort their meaning and create a poison to disrupt.

Definitely a no on the opiates sprayed on paper... nicotine and the humans propensity for habit forming need no help when getting people addicted to tobacco.

I agree, the stuff sprayed on the plant is the issue (to include it's petro-chemical based fertilizers), not the plant itself.



You know what is scary as hell DNA? And thanks for the map. We live within the 50 mile mark of San Onofre Nuclear Plant that sits closed down probably still leaking on a beach. Its the elephant in the city. A story that curdles my blood occurred about 3-4 yrs ago. It was in the town newspaper. A family was walking along that beach near the closed plant. The woman saw beautiful shiny unusual rocks and put them in her pocket. Well, those rocks radiated a hole in her leg. Seriously.

Note: eating a banana will give you more radiation (on average) than living near (within 50 miles) a Nuclear power plant for ONE YEAR.

so...

Did you see this womans leg?

I heave a BEAUTIFUL shiny rock (polished in fact) I get complements on it all the time. It's uranium ore (which would never be out side of a plant... all uranium used is refined into RODS not "rocks" in breeder nuclear power plants).

it would look like boring metal actually:
http://www.world-nuclear.org/uploadedImages/org/info/PHWR%20nuclear%20fuel%20bundles.jpg

My rock is mounted in a pendant and I wore it for 2 years straight until having to cut it off recently for non-related issues (it was visible while I had my uniform on.). I haven't gotten the "annual flu" I used to get like clock work for the 34 years of my life previously... for the last 3 years I haven't been sick at all.

That's my anecdotal story; oh my wife also wore one and it cleared up toenail fungus that she could NOT get rid of and had lived her whole life with.

[shaberon]

Slightly OT but, you will get most of your radiation from...sleeping beside another human being.

As for tobacco, no opiates but generally around 3,000 extra ingredients from polonium to chocolate, gunpowder, carpet glue, fiberglass in the filters to cut your lungs, varying levels of added nicotine--to give you minor withdrawls and make you buy more. That "stuff" is what's really bad for you; plain tobacco isn't exactly good, but mostly just bad in the way inhaling any byproducts of combustion is.

That's why different brands of cigarettes are so different from each other, different recipes. Confirmed to me by someone who worked in the factory.

Filters were added to filter tobacco pieces from getting in the mouth. They were added without looking at potential health effects, then were later claimed to be beneficial, still without any consideration of what it might really be.

[DNA]

You know what is scary as hell DNA? And thanks for the map. We live within the 50 mile mark of San Onofre Nuclear Plant that sits closed down probably still leaking on a beach. Its the elephant in the city. A story that curdles my blood occurred about 3-4 yrs ago. It was in the town newspaper. A family was walking along that beach near the closed plant. The woman saw beautiful shiny unusual rocks and put them in her pocket. Well, those rocks radiated a hole in her leg. Seriously.
Hi Bettye198


I appreciate your contribution here, but apparently the rocks that the woman picked up on the beach that burned her contained phosphorous and this was what burned her so bad. The phosphorous in the rocks had somehow caught fire. So I have to give it up to TargeT again, he kind of called that one.



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/17/11745729-beach-rocks-in-womans-pocket-catch-fire-severely-burning-her

Beach rocks in woman's pocket catch fire, severely burning her

By U.S. News
Thursday May 17, 2012 10:29 AM
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http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/120517-phosphorus-stones-hmed.660;660;7;70;0.jpgOrange County Health Care Agency / AP
This image provided by the Orange County Health Care Agency shows rocks picked up on a Southern California beach by a woman, which later ignited inside her shorts, leaving her with severe burns. Authorities say phosphorous may have coated these beach rocks.


By NBC News and msnbc.com staff
Updated at 2:40 p.m. ET: SAN CLEMENTE, Calif. -- Rocks that a woman was carrying in her cargo shorts caught fire after a trip to a California beach, leaving her with severe burns, and authorities are investigating whether phosphorous on the stones is to blame.


Authorities say the woman was carrying stones that her children picked up during a family trip to Trestles Beach at San Onofre State Beach on Saturday.
As the 43-year-old woman stood in the kitchen about an hour after returning her San Clemente home, her shorts caught fire, the Orange County Register reported (http://www.ocregister.com/news/stone-354599-shorts-rocks.html). Here's the Register's description of the panicked scene, citing Orange County Fire Authority Capt. Marc Stone:

The woman tried to stop, drop and roll but was unsuccessful in getting the flames out, Stone said.
Her husband also tried to help and got second-degree burns when he tried to pull the shorts off, Stone said. The rocks, described as small, the size of a hamburger patty, smooth and orange and green in color, fell from the shorts onto the floor and continued to burn the wood floor and fill the house with smoke.
The man got the shorts off his wife and was hosing her down outside when firefighters arrived. The woman suffered second- and third-degree burns on her right leg from her thigh to her knee and on her right arm, the Register report said. The husband had second-degree burns on his arm.
"I talked to the paramedic who treated her, and in his 27 years in responding to calls near the beach, he's never seen this," Stone told the Register. "The rocks were still smoking when firefighters took them to the hospital."
The rocks were given to the Orange County Health Care Agency for testing, Stone told NBCLosAngeles.com (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Orange-County-Woman-Pants-Catch-Fire-Rocks-Pocket-Beach-151834695.html).
Denise Fennessey, assistant director of environmental health at the agency, told the AP that initial tests indicated that two rocks had phosphorous on them but they'll be sent to a state lab for verification.
After some rocks spontaneously ignite in woman's pocket, burning her and damaging her home, the hunt is on to find the cause of this unusual incident. KNBC's Vikki Vargas reports.

Watch the most-viewed videos on msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22027217#22027217)
San Onofre State Beach is in San Diego County near Camp Pendleton, a Marine base. A military spokesman told the AP that the base is trying to determine whether military material might have contaminated the area.
"There is phosphorous that naturally occurs on the sand at the beach, but no one has ever heard of pants catching fire," Stone told the Register.

[Swanette]

Hey DNA. I watched a documentary a couple years ago about a scientist who claimed nuclear reactors were so harmless he actually swam in the reactor water. I spent a few minutes looking for it but I have to get to work so don't have time to keep looking. I'll try again after work today if no one has found it by then.

The thread is here:
A video they won't want you to see (Galen Winsor: nuclear scare scam) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scare-scam-)

I don't believe a word of it, but that's the reference! :)



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[onawah]

Chernobyl 30 years on and the tragic generation of children blighted by a merciless cancer cloud
23 APR 2016
BY TOM PARRY
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chernobyl-30-years-tragic-generation-7817717

This is without a doubt an article that will stir emotions, with many photos of bald children in cancer wards.
But it also highlights one of the questions this issue continue to bring up for me which is that we still don't really know what effects long term exposure to manmade radiation has on living things, and we don't know that much about the gradual mutation process and how harmful it may be.
Personally, I would rather be exposed to as few manmade toxins as possible, and as many combinations of manmade toxins as possible, which are even worse when combined.
I specify manmade radiation because it seems likely to me that it may prove to have different effects on lifeforms than natural forms of radiation.
I don't think our science is currently advanced enough or the research ongoing long enough to know much for certain as yet.
It certainly seems likely that certain individuals (like Target--who I think is well-meaning and not a shill, btw:hand:) are less susceptible to radiation than others, (as well as the matter of individual health, evidently there are lots of different sources of DNA currently evolving on the planet with different strengths and susceptibilities).
But more importantly, that children and especially fetuses are much more susceptible, as are certain other vulnerable life forms.
It's certainly welcome news if the problems of radiation exposure are not as bad as once thought, but the fact that we still have masses of nuclear plants built on the same design as Fukushima that may soon be crippled too, causing more hugely expensive and dangerous problems for the planet still must be the paramount consideration, imho.
To continue planning on nuclear energy as a primary source of energy when so many alternatives are available and more coming soon, hopefully, of a much higher order is madness, and that should not be minimized.
I have friends in San Diego, and while it has been a comfort to me to know that the ongoing problems of radiation migrating from Fukushima to the West Coast MAY not be as bad as I originally thought (though I'm not convinced) and the fact that San Onofre is still likely a disaster in the making continues to be a worry.
And I don't see any solution to that in the near future--in fact, it seems more likely that at least one of those plants in the US is going to blow before any changes can be implemented, and even more likely that more of the plants in Japan are going to blow, as well, before we will see an end to nuclear plants altogether.


http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7816675.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/PROD-Misha-Kozlov-aged-4.jpg

Cancer-stricken youngster Misha Kozlov has never heard of the Chernobyl disaster.

But the radioactive cloud that ­engulfed his parents’ home 30 years ago has blighted his short life.

Aged only four, he has just completed several courses of chemotherapy and has had a huge tumour removed from his leg.

Misha is from the East European region that was worst affected by the Chernobyl nuclear power plant ­meltdown on April 26 1986.

Red-eyed with emotion and fatigue, his mum Elena, 35, says: “I think Misha’s cancer is very probably caused by radiation.

“In our town there are a lot of children who have cancer and I think it is because of radiation, but what can you do.”

She shrugs, resigned to her family’s awful fate. In the busy Children’s Cancer Hospital in the Belarussian capital Minsk, her story is typical.

Scores of mums and dads whose kids are patients were children themselves when the worst nuclear disaster in history stunned the world.

Now their offspring are developing rare cancers. Although no one will say officially, there is widespread fear that radioactive poison is being genetically passed on to the next generation.

Cancer figures in Belarus, which sits between Poland, Russia and Ukraine, rocketed in the late 1980s and early 1990s and then tailed off.

But last year there was an increase of nearly 20% in child cancer cases.
In the Children’s Cancer Hospital the corridors are full of shaven-headed children with leukaemia awaiting bone marrow transplants.

Others are struggling under the intense treatment regime for thyroid cancer, which in most other countries affects very few under-18s.

The hospital’s normal capacity is 180, but there are currently 200 children here.

Elena, an accountant who was five when her country was engulfed in a toxic cloud, said: “In my friend’s family there was another girl who had brain cancer. She died aged 15."

Minsk Children's Cancer Hospitall: The children being treated at the hospital have been born to parents who were kids themselves when the disaster hit
“I have been living at this hospital with Misha since October last year, which has been a real struggle.

“Coming to terms with your little boy having a tumour is not easy. I am not angry about the radiation though. There is no point. It is all around us and we cannot move away.”

Belarus, part of the old Soviet Union when the Chernobyl plant caught fire and exploded, bore the brunt.

In the path of the prevailing wind that devastating day, it took 70% of the fallout from the stricken power plant. A fifth of the country’s agricultural land was contaminated.

The overall effect on future generations isn’t known yet.But experts say only 10% of overall problems caused by radioactive isotopes like the Caesium-137 that drenched parts of Belarus will be seen in the first generation.

By 2050, experts estimate new debilitating health problems will emerge. And the lethal substance will pollute around Chernobyl for up to 320 years.

A map of Belarus shows dark purple hotspots of ongoing intense radiation in the south of the country.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7816683.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PROD-The-International-Chernobyl-Project.jpg
Back in 1986, the Communist authorities did their best to dampen fears while the power station was still ablaze and spewing out radiation.

Misha Kozlov is aged 4. Misha's family says they are not angry about his cancer as there is nothing they can do.

People like Elena’s parents stayed at home, oblivious to the danger. Today some villages around the city of Gomel, which lies just over the border from Chernobyl in northern Ukraine, are abandoned.

Another patient at the children’s hospital is Yvgeny Revtovich, whose dad Dmitri was born the year after the explosion and grew up in Gomel.

A poignant birthday balloon is tied to Yvgeny’s bed. He turned six last Tuesday.

“Yvgeny has leukaemia,” factory worker Dmitri explains.“I will never know for sure whether it is radiation that has caused his sickness because no one tells us. Obviously it is very strange that so many children from our town have leukaemia.”

Yvgeny may be lucky. A bone marrow donor has been found for him in Germany.

In the same ward five-year-old Anya Kastrova does circuits on a tricycle but her mischievous giggle disguises the gravity of her condition.

Anya has a sarcoma – a rare cancer that develops in multiple parts of the body.Her mother, also Elena, 37, said: “I am almost sure it is from radiation.” Another girl, Veronica, 13, darts about, cuddling younger kids.

She was found to have a tumour in her stomach at the orphanage where she had been abandoned by her alcoholic parents.

Others, slowed down by having to walk while still attached to a drip, are visibly dazed by strong medication.At the hospital the tale emerges of another woman from Gomel whose child mysteriously developed thyroid cancer even though she had been living in Russia, 10 hours drive away, for the last 15 years.

Her little boy, whose dad is from India, became ill when they went back to Gomel to visit relatives.

Suspicion immediately falls on radiation. Meanwhile families at the hospital have been provided with pre-fabricated cabins to live in while their children are have treatment.

Funding for these vital homes has come from a small British charity, Chernobyl Children’s Project.

The organisation was set up by Linda Walker, from Glossop, Derbyshire, in 1995.It provides a lifeline for hundreds of youngsters whose lives have been scarred by radioactive fallout.

Linda said: “It is 30 years since Chernobyl but the children of Belarus need our help as much as ever. Many of the children in the care of our Home Hospice team in Gomel have genetic disorders.

“Although not all will be linked to Chernobyl, there has been a very significant rise in the numbers of children born with genetic disorders.

“There has definitely been an increase in brain and spinal birth defects because of Chernobyl.”

Invisible in the soil, the slowly-decomposing particles of radioactive waste from Chernobyl are still stalking their innocent victims.

[TargeT]

Chernobyl 30 years on and the tragic generation of children blighted by a merciless cancer cloud


Great example article onawah, I'll do some analysis on it later tonight.

This is a very good example of how disinfo can paint a completely different picture from reality.

[onawah]

With respect, Target, it wasn't the emotional nature of the article which prompted me to post it, nor was it because I wanted to provide more grist for your mill, but because of what it brought up for me, which I expressed before copying the article, as follows:

But it also highlights one of the questions this issue continue to bring up for me which is that we still don't really know what effects long term exposure to manmade radiation has on living things, and we don't know that much about the gradual mutation process and how harmful it may be.
Personally, I would rather be exposed to as few manmade toxins as possible, and as many combinations of manmade toxins as possible, which are even worse when combined.
I specify manmade radiation because it seems likely to me that it may prove to have different effects on lifeforms than natural forms of radiation.
I don't think our science is currently advanced enough or the research ongoing long enough to know much for certain as yet.
It certainly seems likely that certain individuals (like Target--who I think is well-meaning and not a shill, btw) are less susceptible to radiation than others, (as well as the matter of individual health, evidently there are lots of different sources of DNA currently evolving on the planet with different strengths and susceptibilities).
But more importantly, that children and especially fetuses are much more susceptible, as are certain other vulnerable life forms.
It's certainly welcome news if the problems of radiation exposure are not as bad as once thought, but the fact that we still have masses of nuclear plants built on the same design as Fukushima that may soon be crippled too, causing more hugely expensive and dangerous problems for the planet still must be the paramount consideration, imho.
To continue planning on nuclear energy as a primary source of energy when so many alternatives are available and more coming soon, hopefully, of a much higher order is madness, and that should not be minimized.
I have friends in San Diego, and while it has been a comfort to me to know that the ongoing problems of radiation migrating from Fukushima to the West Coast MAY not be as bad as I originally thought (though I'm not convinced) and the fact that San Onofre is still likely a disaster in the making continues to be a worry.
And I don't see any solution to that in the near future--in fact, it seems more likely that at least one of those plants in the US is going to blow before any changes can be implemented, and even more likely that more of the plants in Japan are going to blow, as well, before we will see an end to nuclear plants altogether.

[DNA]

Hi Onawah


With respect, most of the damage done by Chernobyl was done by the initial radiation exposure. These top notch experts below had this to say about what happened. I suggest watching the video but the pertinent information is below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGe18uftmI
tAGe18uftmI


Narrator: UNSCEAR – the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation – was set up by the UN General Assembly in 1955. For the last 25 years, it has examined in detail the impact to health and the environment of the Chernobyl accident.
UNSCEAR’s principal officer is British scientist, Dr Malcolm Crick.
Malcolm Crick: "After Chernobyl, the only public health impact that we have seen has been the more than 6,000 thyroid cancers amongst those people who were children at the time of the accident, drinking contaminated milk. Of those 6,000 or more cases, perhaps 15 have died. It’s not a very fatal disease – thyroid cancer – if it’s caught early and treated properly. Then when we think about other effects, actually there’s no really good persuasive evidence of any public health impact due to radiation from the accident, other than the thyroid cancers. Most people find that kind of hard to believe, but in fact that’s the case."
Narrator: Professor Gerry Thomas, from London’s Imperial College, is a world authority on molecular pathology. She's also a Director of the Chernobyl Tissue Bank, an international initiative to collect biological samples from those exposed to radioactive iodine in childhood – work that has led Dr Thomas to reassess her views on nuclear energy.
Gerry Thomas: "The health consequences of a nuclear power accident may not be as bad as we first thought. I was anti-nuclear until I started working on Chernobyl. Now, no problem at all."
"The results of the studies that were carried out post-Chernobyl, which were big international studies, have not been what we might have expected from the outset. Those studies have shown that there is only one thing that we can pin down to being due to radiation and that’s the sharp increase of thyroid cancer in those who were very young at exposure to the Chernobyl accident."
Abel Gonzalez: "In the case of Chernobyl, there was a lot of iodine being released, and, very important, nobody told the population that this iodine was there and that the milk was contaminated with this iodine."
Narrator: Professor Abel Gonzalez, from Argentina, is Deputy Chairman of the International Commission on Radiological Protection, a body of the world’s leading scientists and policy makers which, since 1928, has set guidelines for governments around the world.
Abel Gonzalez: "Mothers, who didn’t know that an accident had happened, these mothers were giving contaminated milk to their children; very heavily contaminated milk. Not surprising, the children had a very high dose of radiation in their thyroid, and not surprising, a lot of children – mainly in Belarus, but also in Ukraine and in Russia - got thyroid cancer that can be attributed to Chernobyl."
Malcolm Crick: "If we think of the emergency workers after Chernobyl, there were 134 people who got acute radiation sickness from the first few days of very high exposures after the accident. And 28 of those people died within the first month or so. Then when we look further on in time, those people who've got problems with skin injuries still and they’ve got problems with cataracts, but only about 19 or 20 people have died in the period since the accident and not all of those deaths can be attributed to radiation; In fact, many of them are clearly not due to radiation."
Narrator: So the voice of leading scientific bodies is clear. The only observable public health impact due to radiation after Chernobyl has been the more than 6000 thyroid cancers, of which only around 15 have proven fatal. As for the emergency workers who received the highest doses, fewer than 50 have died.
These numbers – while significant - represent a fraction of the hundreds of thousands if not millions of victims predicted after the accident. Frequently misunderstood by the public, radiation dose is determined by the type and amount of radiation we are exposed to. It’s measured in the International Standard Unit of millisieverts.
Professor Thomas on the doses received by residents living around the Chernobyl plant:
Gerry Thomas: "Now this is the figure that – when I saw it – made me think: that nicely puts it into perspective. The whole-body doses to 6 million residents is about 9 millisieverts. So each person got about 9 millisieverts. And 80% of that lifetime dose was delivered by 2005. Now, 9 millisieverts is about what any of us will get when we go and have a CT scan. Do we sit there and panic about having a CT scan? No, we don’t. And we need to make sure that we keep that in mind when we think about accidents like this. We expose ourselves to radiation voluntarily. We can’t avoid it; we live in a radioactive world."
Narrator: Naturally occurring background radiation is the main exposure to radiation for most people globally. Levels typically range from 1.5 - 3.5 millisieverts per year. However, there are several places in India, Iran and Europe, where doses can be more than 50 millisieverts a year. Medical procedures, such as X-rays, account for most of the remaining 12% of a typical person’s annual dose.

[TargeT]

we still don't really know what effects long term exposure to manmade radiation has on living things


But we do, it's a very natural process, radiation damage isn't very different from other damage as far as our chromosones are concerned (http://www.rerf.jp/radefx/late_e/chromoab.html), either way it involves damage to the DNA structure and shortening of the tolemers (http://thesecrettobeingageless.blogspot.com/search/label/tolemers).

DNA damage is, dna damage... the source doesn't matter so much, radiation, carcinogen, these can even be damaged just by normal cell division (though that's generally more rare). And after the initial damage is done it's pretty much over (now continued damage is possible if an agent (radiation or carcinogen or what ever) is still present.. this would be the concern with cesium depositing in the body.. though that's still not a great indicator as we can see from Fukushima).

as far as your cells are concerned, you are biologically a brand new person every 7-15 or so years (different cells replace themselves at different rates, this is a semi/myth that holds a lot of truth).

"mutation" is just what happens when damaged dna connects in aberrant ways (other than normal) sort of like putting a puzzle together wrong; nothing magical or scary about it.

[onawah]

I wouldn't trust much of anything in the way of information from the UN, which has proven many times to have a NWO agenda.
I mean, what could any thinking person make of this statement from the UN report: [QUOTE]Gerry Thomas: "The health consequences of a nuclear power accident may not be as bad as we first thought. I was anti-nuclear until I started working on Chernobyl. Now, no problem at all."

Now, no problem at all." !!!!:facepalm:
No problem that the whole nuclear plant idea was never feasible in the first place, that they were designed to operate for a limited number of years and are way past their due date now, are incredibly expensive to operate and even more expensive when they break down or have to be dismantled???!!!
No problem that we have many much safer and cheaper ways to produce energy now?
It's all about vested interests, at this point, and that point keeps getting buried!!
Why continue to take the risks when it's unnecessary?
The controllers are pushing to keep those plants going, even to reactivate the ones that have been turned off.
It's madness!!

There is a website that was created by Arnie Gundersen at http://www.fairewinds.org/ which was designed to educate people about nuclear energy.
Arnie is an experienced expert and as far as I can tell, he has integrity and he's not a shill for anyone.
He also enlists other experts to give their feedback on the site, has a free email newsletter, and subscribers can ask questions.
I would feel much more confident of the information and statistics that were being quoted here were from a source like that.

I don't think enough time has passed for us to know the long term effects of radiation on coming generations, particularly since we are also being bombarded now with so many other dangerous toxins.
I doubt very much if anyone really has any idea about how they are all affecting life on the planet in combination.
The real solution, as far as I am can see,is not to debate how much or how little we are being affected, but to work on simply getting rid of the toxins and cleaning up our world.
And again, some are more vulnerable than others; I'm sure a lot of the statistics that have been quoted here have been based on averages.
No offense or accusation directed at you Target, but perhaps your DNA gives you more resistance than others to radiation.
It seems likely from a lot of whistleblower revelations that there are certain ET groups that would like to kill off a lot of the humans currently on the planet by bombarding them with toxins which are fatal to the latter, but harmless to the former. Maybe some of us have that DNA, without necessarily having that agenda...

The controllers were able to foist off vaccines on the public with claims that the collateral damage was minimal and therefore permissible, and so that made it all worth it, they said, no matter which or how many collateral lives were lost or ruined unnecessarily.
And as with vaccines, how many cases of radiation poisoning have been unreported, or attributed to other causes?
I don't think we have real statistics on that, and chances are we never will.

It's really kind of scary to me that there are conspiracy theorists who are trying to make the dangers of nuclear energy look minimal when what really needs to be done is make more people aware of the fact that we need to convert to much safer and cheaper methods asap and stop relying on what was never a good idea in the first place.

[onawah]

Blind mice and bird brains: the silent spring of Chernobyl and Fukushima

Linda Pentz Gunter

25th April 2016
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2987598/blind_mice_and_bird_brains_the_silent_spring_of_chernobyl_and_fukushima.html


Evolutionary biologist Timothy Mousseau and his colleagues have published 90 studies that prove beyond all doubt the deleterious genetic and developmental effects on wildlife of exposure to radiation from both the Chernobyl and Fukushima nuclear disasters, writes Linda Pentz Gunter. But all that peer-reviewed science has done little to dampen the 'official' perception of Chernobyl's silent forests as a thriving nature reserve.

Although it's too early to assess the long term impact on abundance and diversity around Fukushima, there are very few butterflies and many birds have declined in the more contaminated areas. If abundance is compressed, biodiversity will follow.
Dr Timothy Mousseau has published more than 90 peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, related to the effects of radiation in natural populations (and more than 200 publications in total).

He has spent 16 years looking at the effects on wildlife and the ecosystem of the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster.

He and his colleagues have also spent the last five years studying how non-human biota is faring in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima nuclear meltdowns in Japan.

But none of this work has received anything like the high profile publicity afforded the 'findings' in the 2006 Chernobyl Forum report which claimed the Chernobyl zone "has become a wildlife sanctuary", and a subsequent article published in Current Biology in 2015 that said wildlife was "thriving" around Chernobyl.

"I suppose everyone loves a Cinderella story", speculated Mousseau, an evolutionary biologist based at the University of South Carolina. "They want that happy ending." But Mousseau felt sure the moment he read the Forum report, which, he noted, "contained few scientific citations", that the findings "could not possibly be true."

Ninety articles later, Mousseau and his research partners from around the world are able to demonstrate definitively and scientifically that non-human biota in both the Chernobyl zone and around Fukushima, are very far indeed from flourishing.

Far from flourishing around Chernobyl, birds and animals are fading

What Mousseau found was not unexpected given the levels of radiation in these areas and what is already known about the medical effects of such long-term exposures. Birds and rodents had a high frequency of tumors.

"Cancers are the first thing we think about", Mousseau said. "We looked at birds and mice. In areas of higher radiation, the frequency of tumors is higher." The research team has found mainly liver and bladder tumors in the voles and tumors on the head, body and wings of the birds studied, he said.

But Mousseau wanted to look beyond cancers, which is what everyone expects to find and what researchers had looked for, but only in humans. There were few wildlife studies, a fact Mousseau found surprising, given nature's ability to act as a sentinel for likely impending human health impacts.

Mousseau and his fellow researchers found cataracts in birds and rodents. Male birds had a high rate of sterility. And the brains of birds were smaller. All of these are known outcomes from radiation exposure.

"Cataracts in birds is a problem", Mousseau said. "A death sentence."

Mental retardation has been found among children exposed to radiation in utero. Mousseau and colleagues discovered the same pattern in the birds they studied. "Birds already have small brains, so a smaller brain size is a definite disadvantage", he said.

Almost 40% of male birds examined were sterile

There were also just fewer animals in general. "There were many fewer mammals, birds and insects in areas of higher radiation", Mousseau said. And they had their hunch as to why.

He and his colleagues extracted sperm from the male birds they caught and were shocked to find that "up to 40% of male birds in the radiologically hottest areas were sterile."

The birds' sperm were either deformed or dead. None would be able to reproduce. The discovery, he said, was "not at all surprising. These are the levels of radiation known to influence reproduction. At the same time, there is no safe level of radiation below which there aren't detectable effects."

Fewer birds have already been observed in the contaminated areas around Fukushima, said Mousseau. "Although it's too early to assess the long term impact on abundance and diversity around Fukushima, there are very few butterflies and many birds have declined in the more contaminated areas. If abundance is compressed, biodiversity will follow."

Five years into the still on-going Fukushima disaster, Mousseau's research continues to uncover "a dramatic reduction in the number of birds and numbers of species in areas of high radiation", he said.

At least in that region, Japan could be headed toward a Silent Spring.

No doubt that Fukushima and Chernobyl are causing genetic damage

The consequences of radiation exposure, says Mousseau, "will have a tremendous impact on the quality of life of these animals, and the length of quality of life. It need not necessarily be cancers", that cause these damages he said. "There is no doubt that the levels of radiation in Chernobyl and Fukushima generate genetic damage."

A study by Mousseau et al. that did get some attention, most notably from the Smithsonian Institution, found disturbing changes in the decomposition of organic matter in the Chernobyl Zone.

Fungi and other microorganisms are decomposing at half the usual rate. Trees fall but rot unusually slowly. Leaf matter piles up without much decay, creating a tinder-box risk in the event of forest fires, several of which have occurred in the Zone.

"There is an accumulation of highly radioactive organic matter" in these areas, Mousseau said. All of this could be lofted into the air during a forest fire and redistributed as radiological contamination elsewhere, he points out.

Indeed, a map in an April 2006 edition of National Geographic Magazine, shows that this has already happened, expanding the Chernobyl Zone from its original 30km radius. "High-altitude winds swept radioactive smoke and ash across a wider area, which scientists traced from soil levels of cesium 137, a long-lived isotope," read the map's caption. Major forest fires in the Chernobyl Zone in 2010 and 2015 have likely worsened the situation.

While the radiation spread by Chernobyl fell mostly on land, where it is easier to study the medical effects on humans and animals, the initial Fukushima radioactive plume blew mainly out to sea. And since 2011 when the accident began, further dumping of radioactive water into the Pacific has occurred.

A responsibility to protect the environment and wildlife, not just man

This has led to speculation - and some unscientific and alarmist rumors - that sea life in the Pacific is collapsing due to the Fukushima radiation.

"Catastrophic marine events started 40-50 years ago", Mousseau points out. "Bird populations in the Pacific were in decline long before Fukushima."

One important cause, says Mousseau, is "plastics in the environment that are consumed by marine animals which were in downward spirals long before the Fukushima accident." Marine population decline has likely also been "compounded by climate change", he says.

Indeed, Mousseau, who grew up on Vancouver Island in British Columbia, remembers the local harbor encrusted with star fish when he was a child. Recently, when he took his son there, he found none.

Fukushima cannot necessarily be blamed, as some would wish, but the compounding and potentially synergistic effect of radiation in the Pacific could still be taking its toll, Mousseau avowed.

"We don't know how different environmental stresses interact with each other", he said. "They could be synergistic and related. There is almost no research on this even in the Pacific off Fukushima - virtually nothing on the biological consequences in really contaminated areas."

With "little real science" to rely on, Mousseau says, "we will never know" just how much marine damage the Fukushima disaster may do.

He finds the continued lack of other independent animal studies in radioactive zones frustrating. "We have a responsibility to protect the environment and wildlife, not just man", he said. It may be expensive and difficult to conduct these kinds of studies, but, says Mousseau, "that is not an excuse."





Linda Pentz Gunter is the international specialist at Beyond Nuclear, a Takoma Park, MD environmental advocacy group.

The paper: 'Highly reduced mass loss rates and increased litter layer in radioactively contaminated areas' is by Timothy A. Mousseau, Gennadi Milinevsky, Jane Kenney‑Hunt & Anders Pape Møller, and is published in Global Change Ecology. Full version as PDF.http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/chernobyl/papers/Mousseau-et-al-Oecologia-2014.pdf

[DNA]

I wouldn't trust much of anything in the way of information from the UN, which has proven many times to have a NWO agenda.
I mean, what could any thinking person make of this statement from the UN report:
Gerry Thomas: "The health consequences of a nuclear power accident may not be as bad as we first thought. I was anti-nuclear until I started working on Chernobyl. Now, no problem at all." Greetings Onawah
Look, I'm with you. I really am.
I'm not the analytical logical man's man that TargeT is. Sorry Targe but I'm pretty sure there was a compliment in there for you somewhere. :)


I'm a lot like you, I have a flagrent distrust for all things with an official stamp.
If the media says one thing, I in turn think there is a hidden agenda and or a flagrant cover up involved.


But here is the thing...
I got to thinking.
I haven't heard any news and or media coverage stating that there was nothing to worry about in terms of the radiation at Fukushima. Nothing.
And get this.
I never once put a search into Youtube for anything Fukushima related. Not once. And yet everytime I open my youtube channel the page is suggesting I click all of these docs or interviews on how there is a massive problem with Fukushima.
The same thing with Facebook. I'm getting all of this information on how there is a massive disaster taking place at Fukushima and how it's all being covered up.
Here is what I have come to thing about that.


We in the alternative community we have come to believe youtube and facebook are our true sources for news. We have come to depend on these sources as good alternatives to the mainstream media. But you know what I think? I think the fix is in here as well.


A buddy of mine told me a story about his nephew. About how his nephew went to work doing computer code for the CIA. This same nephew left the CIA and was offered a job with this start up company called GOOGLE. This nephew was instrumental in putting together G-mail as we know it and my buddy said he still has one of the first G-mail accounts which was part of the beta-testing. So the reason I mention this is because this nephew started noticing familiar faces working at GOOGLE. Folks that he recognized as having worked at the CIA as well. My buddy was left with the impression, that his nephew was hinting that the CIA was responsible for GOOGLE. And just a word about that and how it relates to youtube, GOOGLE bought youtube and they are now the same company.


I say all of this because the alternative media is under attack and it has been compromised in a lot of ways.
And when I started taking a long hard look at this Fukushima thing, I found it very possible that this could be another area where we are being misinformed.






The controllers are pushing to keep those plants going, even to reactivate the ones that have been turned off.
It's madness!!


I'm of the opinion that it's actually the opposite. I'm of the opinion that the controllers want to end nuclear energy. Fukushima has quite a bit of information pointing towards an intentionally created event. Was the earthquake that created the tsunami that damaged Fukushiama man made? I think it possible.
The result of attitudes in Japan is very anti-nuclear right now. Most of the reactors in Japan have been shut down as a result of Fukushima and the one plant that was opened back up amongst a myriad of protests from the Japanese people a couple of weeks ago had the big earth quake take place just ten miles from the facility. Almost as a warning.
If TPTB are now against nuclear energy and now wish to create anti-sentiment against using nuclear energy, I would guess we would see more accidents take place at various locations across the world.





There is a website that was created by Arnie Gundersen at http://www.fairewinds.org/ which was designed to educate people about nuclear energy.
Arnie is an experienced expert and as far as I can tell, he has integrity and he's not a shill for anyone.
He also enlists other experts to give their feedback on the site, has a free email newsletter, and subscribers can ask questions.
I would feel much more confident of the information and statistics that were being quoted here were from a source like that.


I'm not saying Arnie Gunderson is a paid shill. But there are folks out there who's opinion I respect a lot who say he is.
It makes sense though. If we are going to have disinformation in the alternative community that there would be agents placed who are given a lot of publicity and accolades.



I don't think enough time has passed for us to know the long term effects of radiation on coming generations, particularly since we are also being bombarded now with so many other dangerous toxins.
I doubt very much if anyone really has any idea about how they are all affecting life on the planet in combination.
The real solution, as far as I am can see,is not to debate how much or how little we are being affected, but to work on simply getting rid of the toxins and cleaning up our world.
And again, some are more vulnerable than others; I'm sure a lot of the statistics that have been quoted here have been based on averages.
No offense or accusation directed at you Target, but perhaps your DNA gives you more resistance than others to radiation.
It seems likely from a lot of whistleblower revelations that there are certain ET groups that would like to kill off a lot of the humans currently on the planet by bombarding them with toxins which are fatal to the latter, but harmless to the former. Maybe some of us have that DNA, without necessarily having that agenda...

The controllers were able to foist off vaccines on the public with claims that the collateral damage was minimal and therefore permissible, and so that made it all worth it, they said, no matter which or how many collateral lives were lost or ruined unnecessarily.
And as with vaccines, how many cases of radiation poisoning have been unreported, or attributed to other causes?
I don't think we have real statistics on that, and chances are we never will.

It's really kind of scary to me that there are conspiracy theorists who are trying to make the dangers of nuclear energy look minimal when what really needs to be done is make more people aware of the fact that we need to convert to much safer and cheaper methods asap and stop relying on what was never a good idea in the first place.

Notice how TPTB are suppressing anti-vaccine messages coming from the alternative media? They are not suppressing the Fukushima message one bit though. Just saying. And I respect your message here Onawah, I know it comes from a good place. And all in all, I could be absolutely wrong in all of this. But, my warning signs have gone off and I've really learned to trust my gut over the years. So I'm at the very least giving this message a chance. But I thank you for your voice and your thoughts.

[onawah]

I think the earthquake that caused the Fukushima disaster was manmade also. DNA, and I appreciate where you are coming from too.
But I don't think it was because TPTB are anti-nuclear, I think it's because they wanted to punish Japan and bring them into line.
There are so many info sources with so many conflicting agendas now, it's a full time job trying to keep up with it all, and I don't have that much time, so I go with my gut too.
And basically, I think what we have now is runaway technology and what we need to do is what I felt all along back in my hippie back-to-Nature days, which is that humankind is not sophisticated or evolved enough to be messing around with things we don't really understand or barely understand, and we need to rethink everything that takes us away from living in harmony with Nature.
I think we've been given science that was too advanced for us, not to help us to advance, but to cause a whole lot of dysfunction because there are ETs who really, really don't want us to evolve, and if we don't get a grip,we are going to go through another huge planet wide extinction event that will include most of humanity.
I still have hope, but I sure don't think the answer is nuclear energy, and I could add a whole lot of other things that science has "blessed" us with.
But the thing about the nuclear question that so frustrates me is that I can't really find any info that really seems to be definitive, or a source that I absolutely trust.
But my gut feeling is that I sure as hell do not want to be living anywhere near a nuclear plant, especially one on a coastline, and I wish that the people I care about most in the world had the same viewpoint.

[TargeT]

The paper: 'Highly reduced mass loss rates and increased litter layer in radioactively contaminated areas' is by Timothy A. Mousseau, Gennadi Milinevsky, Jane Kenney‑Hunt & Anders Pape Møller, and is published in Global Change Ecology. Full version as PDF.http://cricket.biol.sc.edu/chernobyl/papers/Mousseau-et-al-Oecologia-2014.pdf

So the article about blind mice and bird brains references a study about.................... leaf decomposition rates?!?


I feel like a kid that was promised candy and given a rock :(


That entire article can be safely labeled "opinion" until a study is done to back up what is being said.... and man o man, are there a LOT of unrelated opinions in there.. why even link to a leaf decomposition study when the article doesn't discuss that?

Out of the

90 studies that prove beyond all doubt the deleterious genetic and developmental effects on wildlife of exposure to radiation from both the Chernobyl and Fukushima nuclear disasters
was this the most relevant one?

Why do I feel like a used car sales man just pulled a "bait and switch" on me?




I never once put a search into Youtube for anything Fukushima related. Not once. And yet everytime I open my youtube channel the page is suggesting I click all of these docs or interviews on how there is a massive problem with Fukushima.
The same thing with Facebook.

Google = Youtube, your search results in either effects the other (if you are "signed in") not sure about facebook, i dont partake.



I say all of this because the alternative media is under attack and it has been compromised in a lot of ways.

You're barking up the right tree my friend, I said screw it all and focus SOLELY on data... works much better that way (remember, the INTERNET was built by DARPA, social media funded by CIA & google... jeebus don't even go there! any company that has a motto of "do no evil" creeps me the hell out).



But my gut feeling is that I sure as hell do not want to be living anywhere near a nuclear plant, especially one on a coastline, and I wish that the people I care about most in the world had the same viewpoint.

no reason NOT to follow that advice IMO... regardless of the motivation behind it when given.

[onawah]

The study is about what radiation does to wildlife and the environment, which appears to have quite an impact, and not a positive one.
The one study of leaves and birds (and microbes, which are extremely important to human health) is a small part of the 90 studies, so I don't think you can make a sound judgement after looking at only one.
In any case, that one looks to me like a well documented study, and it was contributed to by many scientists from different countries.
The list of references don't indicate it is an opinion piece at all:

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And there are more links from that article to others that are based on scientific studies, and not opinion, such as:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/forests-around-chernobyl-arent-decaying-properly-180950075/?no-ist
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/chernobyls-bugs-art-and-science-life-after-nuclear-fallout-180951231/?no-ist
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/at-chernobyl-radioactive-danger-lurks-in-the-trees/

I could list tons more, if I had the time or the inclination.
The point for me is still that we really don't know what long term affects this kind of devastation has on the planet yet, so to assume that it's not a problem is just not realistic.
There are so many agendas and sources of both good and bad information out there, we could discuss it until we're blue in the face and still not get anywhere.
And it makes me just as uncomfortable to have PA forum members saying it's not a problem, as any paid disinfo agent.
Do you question my motivations? I can question yours too. But where does that get us?
I trust in Gaia, and she is no doubt doing her best to repair the undeniable damage that has been done for the sake of all her lifeforms.
What humanity needs to do is stop creating yet more challenges for her and start finding ways to cooperate and cherish her.

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Mikhail Gorbachev: 30 years after Chernobyl, time to phase out nuclear power
Linda Pentz Gunter

26th April 2016
http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2987518/mikhail_gorbachev_30_years_after_chernobyl_time_to_phase_out_nuclear_power.html


Thirty years after Chernobyl former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev remains haunted by the world's greatest ever industrial catastrophe, writes Linda Pentz Gunter. Now 85 and a committed environmentalist, he's still campaigning to bring the failed nuclear experiment to an end before further disasters follow, and encouraging a clean, efficient and renewable global energy economy.

Both Fukushima and Chernobyl were the result of the inability of scientists and engineers to foresee how seemingly small problems can snowball into disasters of almost unimaginable scale. Chernobyl remains one of the most tragic incidents of our time.
"From the moment I was informed - by telephone, at five o'clock in the morning on that fateful April 26, 1986 - that fire had broken out in Block Four of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, my life has never been the same."

The author of these words, Mikhail Gorbachev, is 85 now. His health is failing.

He would like to travel the world and deliver this message. But more often than not, he cannot muster the energy. So in March, he sent an eloquent emissary in his stead, to address a gathering in London.

Gorbachev watched the Unit 4 Chernobyl nuclear reactor explode and melt down and the Soviet Union dissolve during his tenure as premier from 1985-1991.

Arguably it was the Chernobyl nuclear catastrophe that turned him into an environmentalist. By 1992 he had founded Green Cross International, based in Geneva and from whence came his London emissary - Dr. Alexander Likhotal, the organization's current president.

In a public and parliamentary meeting at Westminster's Portcullis House entitled Fukushima 5 Years On, Chernobyl 30 Years On, Gorbachev's words resonated in a room filled mainly with supporters of the organizers, Kick Nuclear, Japanese Against Nuclear UK and London Region CND.

One of the most tragic incidents of our time

In marking those twin, grim anniversaries, Gorbachev reminded us that both Fukushima and Chernobyl were "the result of the inability of scientists and engineers to foresee how seemingly small problems can snowball into disasters of almost unimaginable scale." Chernobyl, Gorbachev said, "remains one of the most tragic incidents of our time."

Indee it was the biggest nuclear disaster of our time, as Dr. Ian Fairlie reminded us two days later at the Cher30byl and Fuku5hima - Beyond Nuclear meetings in Manchester.

"The collective doses are higher for Chernobyl than Fukushima," said Fairlie, who recently updated his 2006 TORCH report (The Other Report on Chernobyl), which was originally produced to debunk the grossly diluted findings in the official 2003-2005 Chernobyl Forum produced by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

"Radiological contamination around Chernobyl was 50 times higher than around Fukushima", said Fairlie, who took pains to point out that this in no way diminishes the seriousness of the Fukushima disaster which occurred in a far more densely populated area than Chernobyl.

Fairlie continues to predict 40,000 fatal cancers as a result of Chernobyl, lower than some estimates but far higher than the 'official' IAEA numbers. He also estimates there have been 6,000 thyroid cases to date, with 16,000 more anticipated.

Deaths from PTSD and other disaster-related traumas should be counted

But Fairlie insists that these are not the only numbers that matter. Both Chernobyl and Fukushima, he says, will contribute to "tens of thousands of deaths from PTSD, stress and trauma" directly related to the nuclear tragedies - which should not be dismissed or discounted.

These troubling statistics, and the prospect of another Chernobyl or Fukushima, says Gorbachev, remind us that "the questions raised by Chernobyl and reiterated by Fukushima are more relevant today than ever before, and they are still unanswered."

Nor, asserts Gorbachev, are the Chernobyl and Fukushima disasters the only serious accidents we should be tallying: "Contrary to the statements of nuclear energy advocates that there were only two major accidents, if one refines an accident to include incidents that either resulted in the loss of human life or significant loss in property damage, a very different picture emerges."

That picture, said Gorbachev, should in fact include a total of 99 nuclear accidents "totaling more than $20.5 billion in damages" which occurred worldwide between 1953 and 2000 averaging "more than one incident and $300 million in damage every year."

Cost-free conservation and renewables

Such a frightening, not to mention costly, pace can be reduced, Gorbachev said, by simple actions that lie in our individual and collective hands: "Supporting new, more efficient technologies has a huge role in reducing waste, but massive improvements can be achieved just by changing behaviors and choices - which costs nothing to do."

On the international political scale, Gorbachev urges that "it is imperative that members of the international community work together to develop and distribute clean and renewable sources of energy." He favors a gradual, rather than rapid, phase-out of nuclear energy, but notes that nuclear power should not be viewed through a narrow lens:

"It is vital that any discussions about nuclear energy address the issue comprehensively and in all its complexity. Nuclear power systems are not just a security issue, an environmental issue, or an energy issue. They are all of those at once."

Most important to Gorbachev is the lesson of transparency that he himself pioneered through "the process of Perestroika and the policy of Glasnost." Governmental openness is taken for granted in many countries and is being fought for in many others.

"Today, people want to have a say in what direction their countries' economies take. They want to know how it affects the air they breathe, the water they drink, the food they eat, and the future they leave to their children. Governments have a responsibility to respond to those concerns."

US regulators claim a major nuclear disaster is too unlikely to be worth preparing for

In the nuclear sector such responsibility is invariably shirked if not suppressed. In highly nuclearized countries such as the US, France and Russia, access to information about nuclear safety is convoluted and opaque, or not available at all.

In the US we have frequently been told by the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission that a major nuclear disaster is effectively too unlikely to be worth preparing for. But these flawed Probabilistic Risk Assessments are designed to protect the nuclear industry from additional expense - not the public from another Chernobyl or Fukushima.

Such a policy is dangerously divorced from reality, as researchers recently found; reseachers that Gorbachev cited when he warned that "the chances are 50:50 that a major nuclear disaster will occur somewhere in the world before 2050."

These are not good odds. Thirty years on, the octogenarian Gorbachev is still haunted by that dawn phone call when he instantly realized "something horrific was happening."

And yet our governments persist in leading us toward the same abyss.

[onawah]

Demystifying Nuclear Power: Chernobyl's Forgotten People/Casualties of Atomic Meltdown
April 26, 2016
by Caroline Phillips, Program Administrator

The article from Arnie Gundersen's Fairewinds today, with lots of live links here:
http://www.fairewinds.org/nuclear-energy-education//s3g1bv97a8shwbzifm03cwf1bcevvx



Thirty years after the atomic meltdown at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Ukraine, government agencies worldwide are no closer to understanding how to handle a radiation release of this magnitude or how to protect the people they serve than they were seventy years ago during the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We are reminded of this fact almost daily with the dark comedy that is Tokyo Electric Power Company’s (TEPCO) futile attempts prescribed by the Japanese government to contain the current ongoing nuclear disaster at Fukushima Daiichi (like building an ice wall….really?). Meanwhile, led by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Japan’s government also continues to push for restart of all its atomic reactors shut down since the triple reactor meltdown that forced at least 160,000 people out of their homes. Abe’s regime proves how governments throughout the world are failing to protect people from the tragedy of atomic calamities and the ensuing radiation fallout.

A valid argument has been made that the atomic catastrophe at Fukushima Daiichi is far worse than what happened at Chernobyl. Fairewinds’ Chief Engineer Arnie Gundersen famously called Fukushima “Chernobyl on steroids.” Nonetheless Chernobyl is the closest example of what the world can expect and prepare for during the next three decades as we witness firsthand the unfolding nightmare within the Fukushima Prefecture.

There is a new trend in main stream media to portray the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone as a burgeoning “human free” natural oasis for elks, wolves, bears, and lynxes. This idyllic biodiverse fantasy is perpetuated in documentaries like PBS’ “Radioactive Wolves” and The History Channel’s “Life After People”. These portrayals are not wrong in their assessment that nature will thrive at a more rapid rate without human influence, but there is a stark down-play of the real impact radiation is having on each species’ long-term development and diversity.Tim Mousseau, professor of biological sciences at the University of South Carolina in Columbia, heads a team that has been conducting long-term research into biodiversity at Chernobyl and now in the area surrounding Fukushima Daiichi. In regards to the large scale fascination and subsequent celebration of flourishing larger animals like wolves and wild horses in Chernobyl, Dr. Mousseau explains, "When you put a fence around an area, it's clear that some animals will have an opportunity to expand, but because they are visible, it doesn't mean that they have increased as much as they should have, or that you have the biodiversity that you would normally have."

Dr. Mousseau further explains his field teams’ hypothesis and current findings on the effects of radiation on wildlife in this recent article for The Conversation, an independent source of news and views from the academic and research community:

Our hypothesis is that species differ in their ability to repair DNA, and this affects both DNA substitution rates and susceptibility to radiation from Chernobyl…In Chernobyl, all major groups of animals that we surveyed were less abundant in more radioactive areas. This includes birds, butterflies, dragonflies, bees, grasshoppers, spiders, and large and small mammals.

When we dig deeper and delve into well researched, peer-reviewed scientific journal entries and reports written by leading scientists in their field, there is significant evidence of the effects that chronic exposure to radiation has on species and biology. Sadly, this level of expertise and scientific authority is not the standard for numerous reports cited by the general media. It’s not often publicized that even the pro-nuclear International Atomic Energy Agency estimates that Chernobyl released 400 times more radioactivity into the atmosphere than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945.

Located approximately 60 miles from Ukraine’s capital city Kiev, and a mere 12 miles from the Ukraine-Belarus border, Chernobyl and its surrounding area were home to roughly 120,000 people before being utterly destroyed by nuclear contamination. Following the atomic meltdown, the most heavily affected areas were divided into four zones. Zones 1-3 were evacuated or allowed to volunteer for resettlement. Zone 4, which includes the village of Zalyshany, only 32 mi. away from the destroyed reactors, is not considered contaminated enough for resettlement but its populace is eligible for health subsidies.

The Associated Press (AP) courageously chose a road less travelled by diverging from the commonly publicized Chernobyl story of growing wolf packs, and instead focused on the heart-breaking circumstances faced daily by the children and mothers of Zalyshany. With Ukraine’s current state of desperate economic depression, critical government health subsidies promised to Zone 4 inhabitants have disappeared. As reported by the AP, the Ukrainian government no longer provides lunches for school children in Zone 4. “Hot meals in the schools were the only clean food, which was tested for radiation, for the children,” teacher Natalya Stepanchuk said. “Now the children have gone over to the local food, over which there is absolutely no control.”According to Ukraine’s Institute of Agricultural Radiology, recent testing in Zone 4 shows radiation levels in wild-grown food such as nuts, berries and mushrooms were two to five times higher than what is considered safe. But that doesn’t deter the starving children of Zalyshany.

AP reports:

Nine-year-old Olesya Petrova’s mother is sick with cancer and can no longer work. Olesya hungrily awaits the coming of warm weather, when she can scour the woodlands for berries and other goodies.

Tragically little Olesya’s story is not uncommon. Viktoria Vetrova, mother of four, feeds her children milk from the family’s cows who graze in surrounding contaminated fields.

“We are aware of the dangers, but what can we do?” said Vetrova, standing in her kitchen after pouring a glass of milk. “There is no other way to survive.”

Vetrova’s 8-year old son already suffers from an enlarged thyroid, a condition with direct links to manmade radioactivity.Hunger and thyroid conditions aren’t the only threats to the children of Zone 4. Yuri Bandazhevsky is a noted Belarusian pediatrician, whose studies on the effect of small doses of radiation on the human body have been widely cited abroad. Dr. Bandazhevsky says that there are “very serious pathological processes” that can lead to defects of the cardiovascular system and cancer as well. In a comment for the AP, Dr. Banazhevsky confesses, “With regret I have to state that nobody cares about this, and those hungry children are another proof of how authorities treat a population which suffers on these territories.” Due to these studies Dr. Bandazhevsky was jailed in Belarus for four years; he now lives in Ukraine.

Government agencies, whose job is to protect the public’s health safety, are not in agreement when it comes to atomic solutions. Currently, Russian President Vladimir Putin is in disagreement with U.S. President Barack Obama concerning an agreement to each dispose of 34 tons of excess plutonium generated by the two countries’ nuclear weapons programs. President Obama has encouraged a dilution process followed by burial in a geological repository (yet to be found…but that discussion is for another Demystify Post). President Putin has objected to this proposal. A Russian spokesperson has clarified Putin’s stance by arguing that the “only way to irreversibly turn plutonium into a material not usable in a nuclear weapon is by changing its isotope composition. Any chemical method is reversible.” This Russian method of dealing with plutonium has been applauded by South Carolina Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott who have translated this proposal into a thumbs-up for MOX reactors, the power plants that allegedly safely use leftover atomic waste.

Dr. Edwin Lyman, colleague of the Union for Concerned Scientists, and Dr. Frank von Hippel, faculty of Princeton University’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and affiliated with the university’s Center for Energy and Environmental Studies, disclaim both the Russian approach to plutonium “disposal” as well as Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott’s eager rush to use the Russian claim as a reason for MOX reactors in this memo:

This position has little technical merit, because the plutonium that will be produced by Russia’s disposal approach, irradiation in its BN-800 plutonium breeder reactor, may not be weapon- grade but it will be weapon-usable.3 Furthermore, Russia, unlike the United States, intends to separate the plutonium in the irradiated BN-800 fuel and the weapon-grade plutonium produced in the plutonium-breeding blankets around the BN-800 core so that it can be reused, which will also make it susceptible again to diversion by non-state groups.

Lest we forget, in 1986 during the meltdown at Chernobyl, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union. And, it was only a mere seven years prior to the Chernobyl meltdown, that the United States experienced its first commercial atomic meltdown, and by far the largest atomic reactor meltdown at Three Mile Island. While an effort to dispose of excess plutonium turns into a squabble between two of the world’s most powerful leaders, it is savvy for us all not to forget how intimately familiar both the United States and Russia are to the potential for atomic chaos and how both of these nations failed their people when it was time to protect them from massive exposure to radiation.
Thanks to Dr. Mousseau, the Fairewinds Crew presents a collection of scientific reports produced by experts (including Dr. Mousseau) concerning the health effects of radiation on wildlife and biodiversity:

Cataracts:

Elevated frequency of cataracts in birds from Chernobyl

Fitness costs of increased cataract frequency and cumulative radiation dose in natural mammalian populations from Chernobyl

Tumors and developmental abnormalities:

High frequency of albinism and tumours in free-living birds around Chernobyl

Albinism and phenotype of barn swallows from Chernobyl

Elevated frequency of abnormalities in barn swallows from Chernobyl

Brain size:

Chernobyl birds have smaller brains

Fertility effects:

Aspermy, Sperm Quality and Radiation in Chernobyl Birds

The effects of radiation on sperm swimming behavior depend on plasma oxidative status in the barn swallow

Impaired swimming behavior and morphology of sperm from barn swallows

[bettye198]

Thank you DNA for following up on that San Clemente story with the burning rocks. Did not know it reached mainstream prime news. And to think, Trestles beach is THE beach for surfers. My brother in law surfs there all the time. If the rocks are on the beach, what is in the water there?

[bettye198]

I found where I originally found the info on opium on cigarette papers. Here is the link for TargeT and others: http://health.insights2.org/Opium.html

[TargeT]

The study is about what radiation does to wildlife and the environment, which appears to have quite an impact, and not a positive one.
The one study of leaves and birds (and microbes, which are extremely important to human health) is a small part of the 90 studies, so I don't think you can make a sound judgement after looking at only one.

I carefully read the entire study, it was about leaf decomposition in bags placed in various locations, it was something like 40% slower in certain low radiation areas (and yes, those numbers were low, mostly at or slightly above background radiation).

I agree that radiation affects microbes greatly... my anidcotal evidence suggest this from my own experience as well (fungal infections finally being over come in the case of my wife etc..)


The point for me is still that we really don't know what long term affects this kind of devastation has on the planet yet, so to assume that it's not a problem is just not realistic.

what do you consider long term? is 20 years long? is 1000 years long? we should define that; because in my mind 20 years is "long"... Plus let's talk sample numbers, you have to hit a certain threshold to become significant statistically..

This is a perfect example of a long term (in my mind, 20 years is long) exposure "experiment" (ok, accident.. haha) note.. it's a .4Sv, not Msv or usv... Sv.. (refer to the scale again to see HOW INSANELY HIGH this is compared to any of the chernobyl measurements in the leaf decomposition article which were a 100-1000x less depending on area)


Approximately 10,000 people occupied these buildings and received an average radiation dose of 0.4 Sv, unknowingly, during a 9–20 year period. They did not suffer a higher incidence of cancer mortality, as the LNT theory would predict. On the contrary, the incidence of cancer deaths in this population was greatly reduced
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477708/



This study is about studies like the one you posted, and how they skew data by ALWAYS applying the LNT (linear no threshold) model regardless of actual outcome (using a formula instead of observations, sneaky "Scienceism" tactic).

Risks of low doses and low dose rates, such as from elevated natural background radiation exposures, appear not to exist or be lower than such risks that one assumes by applying the LNT model in the evaluation of epidemiological data. This and the unequivocal evidence of experimental findings of adaptive protection speak against the LNT hypothesis, which should be replaced by a model that takes into consideration that low doses can induce alterations in the physiologically individual balance between cancer causation and cancer prevention. This physiological balance determines both detrimental and beneficial effects in the whole body, depending on dose and dose rate. The existing epidemiological and experimental data do not favor low dose-induced detriment but rather agree with low dose being inefficient or inducing benefits by counteracting harm, that is, with the existence of threshold or hormesis.

Claims that elevated natural background radiation levels lead to cancer or early childhood deaths are unjustified and misleading. The risk to the individual and society that is estimated by adhering to the LNT model is greater than the risk from doses and dose rates at which the LNT model cannot be validated.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4674188/


There are so many agendas and sources of both good and bad information out there, we could discuss it until we're blue in the face and still not get anywhere.

I have not only refuted every point you bring up, but shown you excellent proof via study (of humans, not leafs :P lol) that what I understand is correct. so I'm not sure how we will get to blue in the face ;)



And it makes me just as uncomfortable to have PA forum members saying it's not a problem, as any paid disinfo agent.

Do you think that I am just "saying" things with no follow up? I'm not sure we are having the same conversation.


Do you question my motivations? I can question yours too. But where does that get us?

Not your motivations, just your understanding ;)


I trust in Gaia, and she is no doubt doing her best to repair the undeniable damage that has been done for the sake of all her lifeforms.
So why do you ignore that low levels of radiation heal? why do you ignore that people living in areas with more radiation than fukushima have on average longer life spans with lower cancer rates? Look into the Colorado plateau... it's got some pretty elevated background levels & corresponding health increases (on average).


I'll look into any article you post if you want, but I'm showing you what to look for and it's data that would show EITHER side's truth, just observational data... no agenda.

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's Matthew Stein on Fukushima (and the nuclear industry in general), on Coast to Coast 5 days ago (21 April 2016):

http:///projectavalon.net/Matthew_Stein_Fukushima_Coast_to_Coast_21_Apr_2016_Hour_1.mp3

[TargeT]

Thank you DNA for following up on that San Clemente story with the burning rocks. Did not know it reached mainstream prime news. And to think, Trestles beach is THE beach for surfers. My brother in law surfs there all the time. If the rocks are on the beach, what is in the water there?

Phosphorus... White phosphorus is what is now banned from use by the military because it does exactly what it did to that lady (thuough when pure it's FAR worse) that's some nasty stuff, but very naturally occuring.


I found where I originally found the info on opium on cigarette papers. Here is the link for TargeT and others: http://health.insights2.org/Opium.html

I don't have any studies to back this, but I do get drug tested regularly & also smoke cig.s on occasion (only when I drink... which is , yeah a lot... haha) & opiates are tested for to VERY low levels, the military would know about this almost instantly as soldiers would "pop hot" all the time.


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Here's Matthew Stein on Fukushima (and the nuclear industry in general), on Coast to Coast 5 days ago (21 April 2016):

http:///projectavalon.net/Matthew_Stein_Fukushima_Coast_to_Coast_21_Apr_2016_Hour_1.mp3

I generally admonish other posts for their lack of summary. Though I can guess the summary for this I bet: Fukushima is horrible, the earth will end & frogs have 7 legs now; or something along those lines?

Can you post a summary?

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's Matthew Stein on Fukushima (and the nuclear industry in general), on Coast to Coast 5 days ago (21 April 2016):

http:///projectavalon.net/Matthew_Stein_Fukushima_Coast_to_Coast_21_Apr_2016_Hour_1.mp3

I generally admonish other posts for their lack of summary. Though I can guess the summary for this I bet: Fukushima is horrible, the earth will end & frogs have 7 legs now; or something along those lines?

Can you post a summary?

Sarcasm is a sign of low desperation, when in a debate. :)

Here's the summary from the C2C web page (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/04/21) for the show. Simplest for me to copy and paste that.




Author and mechanical engineer, Matthew Stein, (http://www.whentechfails.com/) is an expert in what individuals can do to prepare for worst case scenarios on all fronts including the economy, global climate change, and unexpected disruptions in central services. In the first half, he discussed the ongoing debacle of Fukushima - including background radiation rising, food chain contamination, and the targeting of whistleblowers. Conditions are far worse in Japan than the media is letting on, and the government there has placed a gag order, such that whistleblowers can go to jail if they reveal information about the dire situation, he reported. Further, doctors who submit a diagnosis of radiation poisoning from Fukushima victims, won't get paid by the government, he added. "The truth of the matter is that the health effects are horrendous, but we'll never know how bad they are because the government is obliterating any long term medical records," he lamented.

America is facing the same dangers that the Fukushima disaster brought to light, as many of its nuclear plants are either in flood zones or on fault lines. Additionally, many of America's nuclear facilities have gone past their life span of 40 years, and need to undergo an expensive decommissioning process, he cited. Stein shared accounts of brave whistleblowers in America's nuclear industry, and the negative consequences that "doing the right thing" had on their lives and careers. He also spoke about the possible effects of an EMP attack, and battling antibiotic resistant viruses and bacteria with the use of homeopathic treatments and colloidal silver.

The second hour Mat Stein was on is here:

http://projectavalon.net/Matthew_Stein_Fukushima_Coast_to_Coast_21_Apr_2016_Hour_2.mp3

[TargeT]

Sarcasm is a sign of low desperation, when in a debate. :)


I'm low and desperate all the time!

Dry humor is my life blood, I fantasize about being a standup comedian (no really, I do). My favorite stuff are super dry reference material... I call them "thinking jokes".

I was really poking fun at your lack of summary, I don't consider you in this debate at all until you provide some content (this is not the first time you've posted a link to something with no summary, if you don't have the time to do that I don't have the time to listen to it) I thought I was just chiding you into being a good contributor not being desperate and low, but to each their own ;)

WARNING: Day 9 of my exercise... caffeine levels are far beyond healthy at this point and I've forgotten what it's like to sleep for longer htan a nap!

[Bill Ryan]

this is not the first time you've posted a link to something with no summary, if you don't have the time to do that I don't have the time to listen to it

I was assuming that informed members here know exactly who Matthew Stein is. Maybe in your case I made a misjudgment!

[Mike]

Well, thats the problem with excessive caffeine TargeT. It's like the poor mans cocaine - it heats the brain to a full boil, leaving the mouth to act as a fulminating exhaust. It gives one the false impression that everything one says is brilliant and witty, when in fact it can be more accurately described as relentlessly annoying.

Honestly, this is kind of how youre coming off. I tell you this as someone who hugely admires your contributions when theyre a little less hyper and self righteous. And look, I speak from experience. It takes one to know one, as they say. At least with me, when I get all wired like that, the debate becomes less about sincerely making a sound point and more about my ego and the manic desire to "win". I see this happening with you.

And its not that youre not making good points backed by good science etc, because you are. But its the way youre making them. Have you ever been around a really smart guy who is on coke or overcaffeinated...a smart guy who is determined to demonstrate his smartness until his tongue bleeds and his jaw swells up in protest? As you know, it is profoundly irritating....especially when you yourself are sober. You're not there yet, but youre kind of on the path..

I say this with respect..and as someone who likes reading your stuff. Truly.

[Wind]

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[Shannon]

I'm laughing at the Asian tourist guy being interview by vice in the beginning ...

Vice: " aren't you worried about the radiation?"

Tourist: "no, the tour guide said it's safe ."

Pffft! Yeah seems totally safe! Even if it were, I don't think the tour guide would be the my end of questions.

Now, someone is making money off tours of the place..seems shady to me. But I don't know nuthin:)

[shaberon]

Well...what would be the proportion?

Sorry this will be in what's scientifically known as "stupid American units": millirem.

1 mSv = 100 mrem

You could get a start plinking on an EPA estimator: https://www.epa.gov/radiation/calculate-your-radiation-dose

Which allows for the biggest variable, medical procedures. It does not account for much terrestrial variation. For instance, Charlottesville, Virginia sits on a significant pitchblende seam: https://www.dmme.virginia.gov/commercedocs/PUB_38.pdf

And that's going to be present in pretty much all granite & shale formations, i. e., mountains, to some degree.

Physicists tell us about why we're radioactive here: http://physicscentral.com/explore/action/radiationandhumans.cfm

And they created their own estimator, showing how certain medical procedures are far beyond any other radiation sources: http://www.ans.org/pi/resources/dosechart/

Besides those, radon gas in the house is a huge factor, as well as whether you consume organics. Conventional fertilizer is nothing but a massive payload of detriment for all kinds of reasons.

No one can quite agree on a threshold for safety, but our baseline is well above zero. Statistical average they say is about 620 mrem/year, or .62 mSv. Taking 1 mSv in a single bite would definitely be risky business.

[TargeT]

Now, someone is making money off tours of the place..seems shady to me. But I don't know nuthin:)

until you realise it's a "small business" and they are probably there almost 10000000x the time their customers are (ie, they are exposed FAR FAR FAR beyond what you ever would be as a customer.. I own a tour guide business myself, if it were toxic to ride horses into the ocean I would know by the first day if not the first month........).

so what do you think now, just based on observational evidence?



No one can quite agree on a threshold for safety, but our baseline is well above zero. Statistical average they say is about 620 mrem/year, or .62 mSv. Taking 1 mSv in a single bite would definitely be risky business.

Yeah, humans are stupid as hell, I agree.

1msv in .0001 (if it was a 1msv/.0001 ratio of exposure) seconds would be bad(as long as it's duration was 10000 seconds or more), just like 1000 kelvins of temperature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin) at .1 seconds would be bad..... but 100 kelvins spread over a year.. well that is what keeps us alive and healthy.. the fact that we cannot discern between the two is what makes us stupid and manipulatable..... for centuries, we are NOT GOOD at time line variation, we just cannot conceive of timelines greater than our immediate discomfort.. this is why election cycles are paced very shortly, those people know our psychological proof matters not when emotion is involved.

[TargeT]

relentlessly annoying.

Honestly, this is kind of how youre coming off.

Fair enough, but honestly it's not often that you are attacked directly (though subtly) by the owner of the forum you are discussing a topic on.

In fact, **** it, I shall go the route of Giovanni.. emotional outbursts seem to get attention here. Good bye ;)

I honestly have a lot better use of my time, the 1000s of hours of research I spent on radiation could have been used to further my carrer or my horse rescue. I'm way too stressed for this kind of thing right now, break time for me. i'll see you all whenever.

[onawah]

Target, I think Mike's post summed it up pretty well insofar as a big reason why you are not getting the kind of responses you seem to expect from other Avalonians.
You target a few statistics and points that Bill and I and others have made, and you ignore the rest, yet you are happy to sling arrows at other's opinions, while your own is apparently sacrosanct.
But I will say again, since (beyond the obvious non-candidates) we still DON'T REALLY KNOW who among the "experts" is telling the truth, who's lying, and who actually knows or doesn't know, whether ANY of the measurements or statistics we are getting from them are accurate or not--and I think we agree on that, at least--so I really don't see much point in going into the kind of debate that you seem to be itching for, and I don't have time for it, in any case.
If someone else does, please, have at it; I'm about done.

How long was it before the "experts" let us know that mammograms cause breast cancer? (And there are still attempts at coverup about that.)
But it gives me no comfort to know that medical procedures are giving people higher doses of radiation than fallout is--I knew that already, in any case, but I don't want anyone or any life form, for that matter, to be exposed to ANY potentially risky toxins, especially the most vulnerable ones, and I'm sure there are much safer forms of healing than radiation.
All your minimizing of the dangers makes me think that you have a tough guy complex, and if anyone is worried about their health, or the health of their loved ones or the planet, the animals, the plants, the soil, etc. to you they are just pussies and fair game for your sarcasm and ridicule, including Bill Ryan.
It doesn't sound like you are really very comfortable with the position you have taken, either...
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So why not think about giving it a rest, already?

[onawah]

Well, that last post from me was made after Target registered his decision to leave, but hopefully he will reconsider, like Gio has apparently, since I see he hasn't actually unsubscribed.
Cooling off before taking action is often the wisest thing to do,

[DNA]

Well, thats the problem with excessive caffeine TargeT. It's like the poor mans cocaine - it heats the brain to a full boil, leaving the mouth to act as a fulminating exhaust. It gives one the false impression that everything one says is brilliant and witty, when in fact it can be more accurately described as relentlessly annoying.


Wow Mike, have you gone after school special? Who died and elected you Nancy Reagan? No offense, this is your first post on this thread and the only comment you have to make is calling out the driving force on this thread as being "relentlessly annoying"?
Do you have an opinion as to the thread topic, or faced with an opinion you are not in agreement with you have decided to indict someone on character rather than
the topic you are in disagreement with?


Honestly, this is kind of how youre coming off. I tell you this as someone who hugely admires your contributions when theyre a little less hyper and self righteous. And look, I speak from experience. It takes one to know one, as they say. At least with me, when I get all wired like that, the debate becomes less about sincerely making a sound point and more about my ego and the manic desire to "win". I see this happening with you.


I honestly do not see what you are talking about. It might make it easier to make your point if you were to quote a specific area that you are upset about. As far as what TargeT has posted on this thread, as far as I'm concerned it has been top notch.
In the case of this thread TargeT has honestly taken the links and information people have posted and he has gone through the trouble of digesting that material and then remarking on the content.
How many folks actually do that? How many folks actually do that,,when it comes to the content "they" have posted themselves?
Very few.
Most of the times folks start whole threads on this forum without having watched the video, or read the article they are posting.
TargeT takes the time to actually listen to the folks who have an opinion contrary to his own.
Almost no one on this forum does that.




And its not that youre not making good points backed by good science etc, because you are. But its the way youre making them. Have you ever been around a really smart guy who is on coke or overcaffeinated...a smart guy who is determined to demonstrate his smartness until his tongue bleeds and his jaw swells up in protest? As you know, it is profoundly irritating....especially when you yourself are sober. You're not there yet, but youre kind of on the path..I say this with respect..and as someone who likes reading your stuff. Truly.




TargeT has been the driving force on this thread. I haven't noticed his being out of line one way or another. He has an opinion and he has backed it up rather well from what I've seen. So rather than sit on the sidelines and rub my goatee while nodding in affirmation I will state that I don't see what you are talking about.

[onawah]

I still think Mike had a point, DNA, and I think he said it pretty nicely.
It's more a "guy thing" sort of discussion, one that I don't want to get involved in because I come at the whole issue from more of a woman's perspective, and women are traditionally more concerned about the welfare of children and other beings, who are, like women, more vulnerable to toxins of all kinds than men are, in general.
But I will say that it looks to me like you are pretty much pointing the finger at Mike the same way that you are accusing him of doing with Target,and actually being a lot more hostile.
It's not so much about the statistics or the debate itself as the kind of energy that has been generating on this thread.
Perhaps to you it seems fine and even, but to others, maybe not so much.
I've been willing to admit that I don't know for certain what the truth may be, and Target has admitted it too, and yet he keeps on putting forth his case that radiation is pretty harmless and even healing.
If we has that opinion, that's OK, but somehow it hasn't seemed to be OK that others have different opinions, because he continues to try and make them look foolish, though his arguments are actually cherry picked and incomplete.
That just doesn't quite add up as totally benign, somehow, now does it?

[Mike]

It's a cumulative thing Marcus. Not just this thread. And no, I'm not going to go back thru all his posts for your benefit.

I won't go the sarcastic route with you because A) I like you...and B) i'm much better at it than you are ..and I'd like to remain friends.

I like TargeT. I appreciate his scientific bent. I really do. We need more people like that here. But there are other things I dont really like. Ive identified them above.

Ive said my peace. If you want to continue the discussion, pm me ok?

[DNA]

I still think Mike had a point, DNA, and I think he said it pretty nicely.
It's more a "guy thing" sort of discussion, one that I don't want to get involved in because I come at the whole issue from more of a woman's perspective, and women are traditionally more concerned about the welfare of children and other beings, who are, like women, more vulnerable to toxins of all kinds than men are, in general.
But I will say that it looks to me like you are pretty much pointing the finger at Mike the same way that you are accusing him of doing with Target,and actually being a lot more hostile.
It's not so much about the statistics or the debate itself as the kind of energy that has been generating on this thread.
Perhaps to you it seems fine and even, but to others, maybe not so much.
I've been willing to admit that I don't know for certain what the truth may be, and Target has admitted it too, and yet he keeps on putting forth his case that radiation is pretty harmless and even healing.
If we has that opinion, that's OK, but somehow it hasn't seemed to be OK that others have different opinions, because he continues to try and make them look foolish, though his arguments are actually cherry picked and incomplete.
That just doesn't quite add up as totally benign, somehow, now does it?


I appreciate it when a person has the guts to say something that is contrary to the flow of the river.
I think it's possible part of his presentation is in knowing that he is pretty much on his own and as such he is used to getting tag teamed on this account.





It's a cumulative thing Marcus. Not just this thread. And no, I'm not going to go back thru all his posts for your benefit.

I won't go the sarcastic route with you because A) I like you...and B) i'm much better at it than you are ..and I'd like to remain friends.

I like TargeT. I appreciate his scientific bent. I really do. We need more people like that here. But there are other things I dont really like. Ive identified them above.

Ive said my peace. If you want to continue the discussion, pm me ok?


And speaking of getting tag teamed, it sure felt like someone tagged you into this discussion rather than you really wondering in here organically.


I like you as well Mike. You know that. And that is probably why I was a little blunt in my post, but if I was a little blunt you came out guns blazing.
Again making an analogy that dude is the coke head at the party is again, well, that is in the realm of making an apology plain and simple.
And I really think you should apologize.

[Mike]

Here's the irony: I *did* just wander in here...I wandered in here because I like Target's posts! (In general...except when...well...just read my earlier post I guess)

We're killing this thread with off topic posts. I tell you what: i'll apologize if you erase your d!ck video;)

Seriously, I'm not calling anyone a coke head. Ive taken cocaine and its not too terribly different from being really wired off caffeine. Thats all I was saying...

..and I can't really say any more than that.

[DNA]

Here's the irony: I *did* just wander in here...I wandered in here because I like Target's posts! (In general...except when...well...just read my earlier post I guess)

We're killing this thread with off topic posts. I tell you what: i'll apologize if you erase your d!ck video;)


Okay okay, well it seemed like this was an orchestrated hit. But if you say not, it's cool, there is no way I'm calling you a liar. But you really want me to remove the d!ck video? Cause I think that it is hilarious, but if you want I'll take it down and just leave the link.


Seriously, I'm not calling anyone a coke head. Ive taken cocaine and its not too terribly different from being really wired off caffeine. Thats all I was saying...

..and I can't really say any more than that.


Then no offense bro, but you have never done good coke. And I suppose that is all I'm really going to say about that. :angel:

[Mike]

Orchestrated hit???:) brother, you are giving me wayyyyyyyy too much credit. It's true that onawah and I have been good friends for a long time here, but a tag team hit squad we are not:sun:

(...maybe youve never really had good espresso;))

:cheers:

[Ewan]

this is not the first time you've posted a link to something with no summary, if you don't have the time to do that I don't have the time to listen to it

I was assuming that informed members here know exactly who Matthew Stein is. Maybe in your case I made a misjudgment!

Seriously Bill? That looks distinctly like an ego response and as such not in keeping with your general demeanor.

Is everyone feeling alright, because there seems to be more of this going on than normal.

Defending your viewpoint should never get adamant in my opinion, having discovered myself to be in error more times than I can remember has taught me that much.

We have no real knowledge to speak of, unless one is genuinely enlightened. That leaves us with trying to filter facts from a dung heap of information. It's okay to discuss things. It's not okay to start throwing toys out of the pram.

[Bill Ryan]

this is not the first time you've posted a link to something with no summary, if you don't have the time to do that I don't have the time to listen to it

I was assuming that informed members here know exactly who Matthew Stein is. Maybe in your case I made a misjudgment!

Seriously Bill? That looks distinctly like an ego response and as such not in keeping with your general demeanor.



That was very gentle. You may have missed TargeT's sarcastic earlier response.




In fact, **** it, I shall go the route of Giovanni.. emotional outbursts seem to get attention here. Good bye ;)

TargeT, we've placed you on sabbatical, assuming we correctly understand that was your request.

(Aside: we PMed Giovonni, and he's told us he does NOT want to retire or take a sabbatical, but is just resting up a little. That's 100% fine and welcome, and we're pleased he'll be staying on the forum as a respected, much-loved and highly valued member.)

TargeT, you're similarly respected and valued. Mike told you this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90053-Is-The-Fukushima-Radiation-Being-Blown-Out-of-Proportion&p=1064121&viewfull=1#post1064121). :) But just get some needed sleep, lay off the strong coffee a little, and you'll be welcome back here any time. Simply e-mail us to let us know.

Your comments have become quite a bit more extreme recently, as Mike fairly, kindly, commendably honestly, and accurately pointed out (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90053-Is-The-Fukushima-Radiation-Being-Blown-Out-of-Proportion&p=1064121&viewfull=1#post1064121). You weren't 'attacked' here by me... your sarcasm (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90053-Is-The-Fukushima-Radiation-Being-Blown-Out-of-Proportion&p=1064109&viewfull=1#post1064109) about my post of Matthew Stein's C2C interview wasn't necessary. It's been building for a while, and you really do need to take a genuine short break. So we do thank you for being aware of this yourself.

:focus:

[3(C)+me]

I have lurked on this whole thread because I live on the west coast and I have no plans on leaving anytime soon so this topic is of great interest to me. From all the posting from, Fukushima is doing terrible damage, to the opposite.

I am more confused then ever. But from what I can gather radiation does damage to the body then it is of a certain strength and the person is at a certain distance from it. I am talking about humans, but what about the animals in the sea, do we know what dumping tons of radioactive material is doing to them?

This topic is chock full of misinformation and that makes me highly suspicious that their are things certain 1% don't want us to figure out.
Can low continual levels radiation be damaging, I am not sure.

I didn't post because I had nothing to add but from the personal dynamics I was not sure I could post something I would later regret.
I can be very direct to a fault. I will admit that.

Yes, I can observe here and else where people are on edge, but some people do not know how to self regulate, like a bull in a china shop, they keep at it. Like banging their head against a wall.
The ability to self-regulate now is the name of the game.

[shaberon]

It's normal for the body to make cancer cells everyday, and usually it identifies them and gets rid of them. The first weakness in its response is when endocrine hormones are thrown off rhythm, mostly caused by the contamination of our food supply. Thus, some people can combat the effects of low level radiation better than others.

Another reason that made me want to join this forum besides the overall quality is that Bill does a superb job of moderation, probably a step beyond anything I could ever achieve personally. As humans, we're often under the "five blind men and the elephant" syndrome. It's quite a testy dynamic to have to deal with, and I hope we are all trying to unlearn doing it with "iron fist" methods.

[Andrew]

Regarding Galen Winsor's testimony and video lecture imo is one of the best whistleblowing films released and hasn't been DEBUNKED yet, gets swept under the rug by Bill Ryan.

[Bill Ryan]

Regarding Galen Winsor's testimony and video lecture imo is one of the best whistleblowing films released and hasn't been DEBUNKED yet, gets swept under the rug by Bill Ryan.

I don't know if this constitutes 'sweeping anything under the rug', but using Advanced Search (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1) to check exactly what I wrote back in 2013, you'd see that two of my considered posts on this said:




My honest opinion of Galen Winsor:

There seem to be three possibilities (in no special order here) -->


He's a freak of nature (not an insult: there may be something remarkable about his body that most other bodies don't share)
He's lying or deluded (or has been paid to lie)
There's something about radiation that we don't yet understand.

There may well be anecdotal evidence that Galen Winsor was able to survive (and even enjoy!) high doses of radiation, but we can't take this unique case to mean that everyone else is quite wrong and that there's a vast conspiracy to convince us that radiation is dangerous while in fact it's perfectly safe.

It'd be extremely dangerous folly to look the other way, with our telescopes to our blind eyes, convincing ourselves -- because many people really want to believe it! -- that there's no problem. I suggest that we just can't afford to take that risk.


What that means in practical terms is different for each person. Personally, I'm happy not to be living on the North American Pacific coast, I take iodine supplements routinely, and I'm curtailing my intake of tuna (which accumulates radiation as it's so high on the food chain). Otherwise, I'm relaxed. But if Fukushima #4 containment building collapses, as appears quite possible, we may well have a huge, huge problem that could seriously affect a very wide area indeed.

More recently, 12 days ago, I wrote (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90053-Is-The-Fukushima-Radiation-Being-Blown-Out-of-Proportion&p=1060979&viewfull=1#post1060979) (much more concisely): "I don't believe a word of it" — which I don't. (You want me to lie? :) )

I'm not telling you what to believe. But if you want to swim in that radioactive water, be my guest... I won't be diving in to rescue you.

:focus:

[onawah]

Mercury is going retrograde on Friday, goes direct on May 23rd.
And this whole year is going to be a huge roller coaster ride, from what astrologers are telling us.
When Mercury is retrograde, it makes miscommunication almost inevitable.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the main issue of this thread is not at all straightforward.
I can't think of another one quite like it.
For years the big coverup has been about the clear and present dangers of nuclear plants.
I don't think there is any question that they are way more dangerous and expensive than they are worth.or than they were originally portrayed by those who wanted to profit from them.
From the beginning, environmentalists have been against them, and even more so now, and they are usually pretty awake and integral people, the true ones, at least.
Whether the dangers of radiation caused by nuclear plants is less dangerous than many on the anti-nuclear side have thought is, to my mind, a much less important issue than the whole issue of whether the plants are good for the planet as a whole.
And since there is so much disagreement still, it can't really be an obvious mistake, so I think it's still really just an unknown.
And history has demonstrated over and over again that things that were originally thought to be harmless were not harmless at all, so maybe it's the wiser course to heed that lesson until we know for certain.
It seems really clear to me that the disadvantages far outweigh any advantages, and so all this discussion about facts and figures that nobody is sure of seems like a big distraction from what is most important.
No doubt Target has heard this before, but the continued insistence that Avalonians as conspiracy theorists should be more open to his stance doesn't really make much sense to me.
We still haven't been able to do much about the original conspiracy which was to build these huge, astronomically expensive plants that were never safe to begin with, and to tally up the cost that the known dangers have created is too monumental a task even for the experts.
Not to mention that Fukushima and Chernobyl may only be the tip of the iceberg if things don't change soon.
If there's actually a conspiracy to hide a scenario in which radiation from the plants is less dangerous than previously thought, well, sure, that would be fantastic, but it could also be a pack of lies that the perpetrators and profiteers have created in order to cover up their incompetence and lack of regard for the welfare of the planet.
So there is naturally going to be more than the usual amount of controversy and confusion, and especially among conspiracy theorists-because it's two conflicting conspiracies all rolled up into one.
I really don't even want to get into it anymore and never really did, as I imagine a lot of other members haven't either, if only because of that one central factor that makes for extreme confusion and angst.:boink: It's like salting a wound.
Causing confusion and pain, as we know, is something the controllers love to do. :evil:
I sure don't want to fall into their trap, and if there's no need to, I can just let it be for now.
If the day comes when we know for sure what the dangers are for everybody and everything, down to the last radioactive particle, then that will be a different story,and everyone should know about it when that day comes.
But to get upset about people getting upset about an issue that is so totally upsetting by its very nature is really counter-productive.
Maybe one day we will be able to look back on it and have total clarity,but it's all too muddled to hope for that at this point; to expect clarity now is premature and unrealistic, however strong our opinions may be.
IMHO, of course! :bigsmile:

Meanwhile. there is a new article here, which looks pretty credible.
It's from Truthout, which has a fairly good track record for a source that iis somewhere in between mainstream and alternative:
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/35802-chernobyl-30-years-on
Chernobyl, 30 Years On
Tuesday, 26 April 2016 00:00
By Robert James Parsons, Truthout

Tuesday, April 26, 2016, marks the 30th anniversary of the Chernobyl catastrophe. As is the case with its counterpart Fukushima, the official date marks only the beginning of a long, horrible ordeal, which is still underway and still worsening.

The date also marks the beginning of the 10th year of the daily vigil by the grassroots organization IndependentWHO at the entry to the World Health Organization (WHO). The stated and unwavering purpose of the vigil is to have the WHO renounce the accord that ties it to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), giving the IAEA veto power over anything that the WHO might propose to do in the area of ionizing radiation and health.

As the IAEA's mandate is the promotion of all things nuclear, it will come as no surprise that, since the agreement entered into force in May 1959, the WHO's work on ionizing radiation and health has been negligible.

The WHO assessment of Chernobyl, established in function of this agreement and discussed at length in an article published almost two years ago by Truthout, was what pushed IndependentWHO to undertake the vigil. A major element of that assessment, the death toll, is worth revisiting.

According to the WHO, 51 people died because of the explosion of Chernobyl reactor number four. We have been told that thyroid cancers attributable to its radiation may reach 4,000 or 5,000 cases over the decades to come. Such figures are absurd, yet the WHO-IAEA partnership has relentlessly insisted on them and done its best to thwart any alternative assessment, to such an extent that they are still routinely cited in the mainstream corporate media.

In November 1995, ahead of the April 1996 10th anniversary of the catastrophe, Dr. Hiroshi Nakajima, the director general of the WHO, organized a major conference on the human health implications of Chernobyl, inviting over 700 scientists from throughout the world, all specialized in some aspect of health and ionizing radiation. Their view was unanimous: The catastrophe was still unfolding, and the health effects would continue to increase for generations to come.

Contrary to what the WHO promised when the invitations to the conference were sent, the papers presented by the conference's participants were never published. Later, in retirement, Nakajima elaborated on this, explaining that, unique among the various organizations and agencies of the United Nations system, the IAEA is under the authority of the UN Security Council.

Thus, any contention between the IAEA and another agency can be referred to the oversight authority, the Security Council, where the five permanent members, all nuclear powers, have veto power, in effect declaring the grounds of contention without merit. The WHO's oversight body is the UN General Assembly and the secretary general, de jure and de facto powerless before the Security Council.

In April 1996, following the 10th anniversary conference, the IAEA organized its own conference on Chernobyl, which has since replaced the November conference in all references by the WHO. The concluding message was reassuring -- and patently false.

More than 800,000 (perhaps as many as 1 million) young men were recruited by the Soviet Union to put out the fire in reactor number four and entomb it in a sarcophagus. At a 2001 conference in Kiev (whose proceedings were never published either), the figure advanced was that already over one-third of them had been reported as incapacitated or dead.

The liquidators were later the subject of an international symposium organized by the Swiss chapters of Physicians for Social Responsibility and International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War at the University of Bern medical school in November 2005. The introduction to the symposium's abstracts noted that, in April of that year (the 19th anniversary of the catastrophe), a press release from the Ukrainian Embassy in Paris had acknowledged 2,646,106 Ukrainians as being Chernobyl victims, among whom one-third were children.

In the light of the constant denial of any serious aftereffect by the most directly affected countries (Ukraine, Belarus and Russia), not to mention the outright lies with which these countries' governments have surrounded the subject, such a revelation was astounding. Yet the announcement was passed over in silence by all major corporate media.

The liquidators were drawn from the entire Soviet Union. Of the registered Ukrainian liquidators, 94 percent were classified as ill in 2005, mostly too ill to work anymore.

More recently, in 2011, the New York Academy of Sciences published a 327-page English translation of a 2007 Russian publication on the consequences of the catastrophe, presenting an analysis of the scientific literature (some 1,000 titles and more than 5,000 printed and internet publications in Slavic languages, mostly in Russian). The death toll calculated from these studies, covering the period from 1986 to 2004, was 985,000.

These peer-reviewed monographs have been pointedly ignored by the WHO, even though Russian is an official language of the WHO, which maintains a permanent translation and interpretation staff for all six official languages. (A substantial body of peer-reviewed articles in Russian built on climate studies of the east Siberian continental shelf and its fast thawing permafrost -- and concomitant release of methane -- has similarly been ignored by the World Meteorological Organization, which, like the WHO, has Russian as an official language and a full staff of permanent translators and interpreters on hand.)

Chernobyl's Children

In the spring of 1992, several Alsatians answered an unusual call from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and participated in receiving in France a group of 300 children from Ukraine, all Chernobyl victims.

The following autumn, these volunteers decided to sign on to a partnership with the Green Help foundation in Kiev, a grassroots organization set up to help the victims of the catastrophe. Their organization was named Les Enfants de Tchernobyl (Chernobyl's Children). Their goal was to bring young victims to France for their summer vacations, receiving them in private homes.

Finally, in early July 1993, after seemingly endless negotiations and official proceedings, 196 children, accompanied by 10 interpreters, arrived at the Basel-Mulhouse airport on a military transport plane to launch what has become a summer ritual. Since then, more than 250 such projects have been carried out in support of the children most badly affected in the three countries (Ukraine, Belarus and Russia). Every summer, some 200 children come to Alsace and surrounding départements in eastern France for three weeks.

As the children come primarily from highly disadvantaged families, there are also occasional humanitarian actions organized in favor of some of the families. Life, for many of them, is anything but easy.

The organization's website notes:

The inhabitants of the north of Ukraine, the south of Russia and Belarus are obliged to live in a radioactive environment, and, because their food is contaminated, the radionuclides, and especially cesium 137, accumulate day after day in the bodies of the children. The main problem is products that result from food-gathering (berries, mushrooms and such), hunting and fishing, a considerable part of their daily diet.
The permanent irradiation of their cells, particularly those of the heart, the thyroid gland and the brain, causes numerous lesions that are the source of very serious pathologies, linked especially to harm to the immune defenses of the vital organs.
The work and examinations of Professor Yuri Bandazhevski have demonstrated a co-relation between the level of cesium 137 accumulated in the children's bodies and the anomalies revealed by their electrocardiograms. Cesium 137 does not exist in nature, thus what one finds can only be of human origin: nuclear installations, atmospheric tests, nuclear pollution and catastrophes.
For years, the general assessment of Dr. Bandazhevski and those attending to children's health in Belarus -- the country most affected by the catastrophe -- has been that some 80 percent of the children are ill from a vast panoply of diseases, many seriously. While the percentage seems to have stabilized over the long term, suggesting that the worst has passed, the seriousness of the illnesses seems to be slowly increasing. Additionally, there is a deplorable lack of reliable comprehensive statistics on congenital birth deformities, a major indication of radiation poisoning.

Further, little effort -- beyond that of a handful of independent researchers with woefully inadequate means at their disposal -- has been expended to establish the extent of harm throughout the rest of the world from the countless radionuclides (microscopic radioactive particles) let loose on the good earth when the reactor core burned.

While "official" accounts of the catastrophe claim that some 200 tons of fuel still remain within the sarcophagus, nobody has advanced irrefutable evidence to support this claim. Given the duration and intensity of the fire, most independent researchers have concluded that all the fuel burned. The presence of residual fuel seems to have been an additional major reason justifying the European Union's assuming the huge cost of building of a new sarcophagus over the original 1986 construction (besides the obvious ones of the original's aging and its less than optimal construction under the stress of the catastrophe).

Thus, a permanently high-level contamination zone in Eastern Europe can be attributed to "nuclear waste" that cannot, yet, be removed. The reality is that the presence or absence of residual fuel is irrelevant. The reactor building, along with the ground under and around it, with or without the fuel, constitutes an irrevocably and colossally poisoned area that can never again be made fit for human or animal life in any form.

The "official" version would thus appear to be another brick in the huge wall of denial, minimizing Chernobyl's contribution to the contamination of a world already saturated with radionuclides from nuclear weapons, nuclear reactors and the use of uranium and depleted uranium weapons. Thirty years on, regardless of the WHO-IAEA claims, the Chernobyl catastrophe continues to unfold, denied by the nuclearists, ignored by the mainstream corporate media and largely unknown to the general public of the world.

At IndependentWHO's general assembly in March 2016, its members voted to extend the vigil once again for yet another -- its 10th -- year. A highly placed official at the WHO confided to this journalist that it has become a colossal embarrassment to the WHO and that no high-level meeting takes place without it being mentioned.

While the WHO has had its hands tied by the IAEA and the nuclear establishment, the indefatigable public presence of IndependentWHO representatives at its entry, every working day, from 8 am to 6 pm, stands as one more example of ordinary citizens obstinately speaking truth to power.

More power to them!

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[Wind]

My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.

[DNA]

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Hi Wind. Just FYI this was a really great video. I really enjoyed it.
For those thinking about watching it, apparently in Russia they are giving guided tours of the "no live zone" around Chernobyl and these tours consist of a trip through a time capsule really. It is a rare chance to see a communist Russian city left "as is" circa 1986. Also these folks are allowed to walk right up to the actual Chernobyl nuclear power plant. There are workers shown as well walk right into the old Chernobyl nuclear power plant with no special gear, gas masks or anything.
It's a pretty cool 13 minute watch.

[DNA]

My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.

I'm against opening new nuclear power plants as well. I'm no fan of nuclear energy and this thread isn't a pro-nuclear thread, this is a anti-disinformation thread. Just because Nuclear energy is bad doesn't mean you get to make a bunch of false correlations and blame everything bad that is going on in the Pacific ocean on a nuclear accident. To do that makes about as much sense as when the FDA tried to say "ALL FATS ARE BAD" because they didn't think people would understand the difference between saturated and non-saturated fats. So instead of telling people the truth they lied and promoted deadly chemicals like hydrogenated fats.

Oh and on that topic of free energy, we do not know the dangers of free energy.
It could be that a free energy device could allow somebody to blow up the moon or something.
I mean free energy sounds good and all until you hear someone used it to vaporize a mountain or a major metropolitan city.

[onawah]

I agree, DNA, there are lots of reasons why the Pacific ocean is turning into a toxic waste dump and they aren't all due to Fukushima.
Free energy could be dangerous too, but then again, it might not, and it might solve a whole lot of problems.
There is a lot of unexplored potential for many different kinds of inventions, and I think it looks really hopeful.
In the meanwhile, harnessing solar energy is getting better and cheaper.

We know that nuclear plants have already created a whole lot of problems, and we know that nuclear bombs aren't all that hard to make, and they cause a hell of a lot of problems.
So why defend them?
And we all need to be able to understand when we don't really know anything for sure, or that we don't know enough for sure about an issue to get all hostile. And we need to refrain from insisting that we do know for sure when we don't, and not to get on other people's cases when they point that out.
Especially on such a volatile and confusing subject.

[Eram]

My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.

I'm against opening new nuclear power plants as well. I'm no fan of nuclear energy and this thread isn't a pro-nuclear thread, this is a anti-disinformation thread.

Hi DNA,

According to Kirk Sorensen and a growing group of others, nuclear energy is not unsafe by default.
It all depends on the technique that is used to generate it.
The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor is supposed to be safe in regard to possible melt downs and environmental disasters.
He gave up his career by NASA to promote this technique.
China picked up on his work and is now building a LFTR reactor.
Will be interesting to see if this is going to change nuclear energy as we know it and what the impact might be on the energy industry world wide.

short presentation:
uK367T7h6ZY

detailed presentation:
P9M__yYbsZ4

[Eram]

Oh and on that topic of free energy, we do not know the dangers of free energy.
It could be that a free energy device could allow somebody to blow up the moon or something.
I mean free energy sounds good and all until you hear someone used it to vaporize a mountain or a major metropolitan city.

Exactly!
It always puzzles me why people don't seem to take this risk into account when talking about free energy.

Instead of doing a mass killing in a public school, now one can build a device that can destroy a whole city in your garage!!!

[Wind]

It is of course possible that free energy could be misused like any other power, because humans are not spiritually mature yet as a whole. Then again it doesn't change the fact that we could use and it's not right that it has been hidden away by the military industrial complex. I would choose free energy any day over nuclear energy, which I oppose. I suppose it will always take an catastrophe(s) to change the human mindset slowly.

[DNA]

I agree, DNA, there are lots of reasons why the Pacific ocean is turning into a toxic waste dump and they aren't all due to Fukushima.
Free energy could be dangerous too, but then again, it might not, and it might solve a whole lot of problems.
There is a lot of unexplored potential for many different kinds of inventions, and I think it looks really hopeful.
In the meanwhile, harnessing solar energy is getting better and cheaper.

We know that nuclear plants have already created a whole lot of problems, and we know that nuclear bombs aren't all that hard to make, and they cause a hell of a lot of problems.
So why defend them?
And we all need to be able to understand when we don't really know anything for sure, or that we don't know enough for sure about an issue to get all hostile. And we need to refrain from insisting that we do know for sure when we don't, and not to get on other people's cases when they point that out.
Especially on such a volatile and confusing subject.


If I were to distill my original point down to it's most basic message it would be this.
It seems TPTB are trying to get rid of nuclear energy across the earth.
If one were to concede that the earthquake that started the 3-11 tsunami and destroyed Fukushima was a in fact a man made earthquake then one would have to question why? My original post points to a objective outlined by Dr. John Coleman in his 21 goals of the Illuminati as he had written it back in 1992. Being as the elimination of nuclear energy was a stated objective of the Illuminati by Dr. John Coleman back in 1992 and so many of the other goals he had written about back then are coming true I wanted to follow that thread of thought.


That thread of thought continues along the lines of "if one were trying to get rid of nuclear energy then one would want to demonize it as much as possible".
This is where I now find myself. Looking at alternative media pushing the Pacific is dying agenda and this is because of Fukushima.
There are a myriad of reason why we should be trying to figure this out for ourselves.
Not the least of which in my opinion is that there will probably be a situation in the near future where a Fukushima type of event is recreated in a different country and in a different place.


I also tried to convey the message that it seems that this has happened again with the recent earthquakes in the South of Japan.
And this again seemed to be sending the message that nuclear energy is being attacked.
These earthquakes in the south of Japan occurred right after Japan activated three reactors in their south Japan Nuclear facility.


The reason I think this message is lost is due to black and white thinking.
Folks automatically assume that "they" and TPTB can not "share" a same view point on something.


The thing is, I'm not saying we know what TPTB are planning, but if we remain in the realm of reality and exercise critical thinking, maybe just maybe we can figure it out.


This is why I point out the Fukushima scare tactics about the Pacific dying. I'm willing to be wrong on this, but I will out and out state that my guy says that this is all a con job.

[Ewan]

this is not the first time you've posted a link to something with no summary, if you don't have the time to do that I don't have the time to listen to it

I was assuming that informed members here know exactly who Matthew Stein is. Maybe in your case I made a misjudgment!

Seriously Bill? That looks distinctly like an ego response and as such not in keeping with your general demeanor.



That was very gentle. You may have missed TargeT's sarcastic earlier response.



No, I never missed it. That's just TargeT. Ever since I first noticed his posts it was obvious he was blunt, concise to the point of what others could perceive of as rude.

I thought his point regarding your contributions to this particular thread were valid in that, twice you posted the link to Linda Moulton Howe's audio without any explanation of what it may say and then a link to a Matthew Stein article with no summary or input. On several occasions I have noted that it is rather de rigueur to supply more than just a link when making posts, several times I have seen moderators point this out.

You then linked the awareness of Matthew Stein to 'the informed members'. I'd never heard of Matthew Stein, but then I'd never considered myself particularly 'informed' about anything. Kind of the reason I am here really.

In short we didn't know your thoughts are on the matter but the inference is deduced that it isn't a topic worth discussing. At least that's how I saw it.

Knowing nothing about radiation, other than the popular concept that its nasty stuff, I was really appreciating the work TargeT was doing in bringing potentially good information into the arena for further study and discussion.

I'm not sure why Linda Moulton Howe should be considered an expert or knowledgable about Fukushima, I'm also concerned (a little) that she has may have been compromised. (Denying the subject of human mutilation).

I don't understand why someone would feel the need to describe another poster as relentlessly annoying. If you don't like the thread stay out of it, if the poster bothers you that much stick them on an ignore list.

I think what has just happened here is rather sad. If the community at PA cannot get along without these breakdowns then it would seem we are all dreaming to think that the wider breadth of humanity could come together any time soon.

[DNA]

I've got to agree with everything Ewan has just stated.

Ewan you are a gifted and articulate individual. You have really done a great job of summing up some of my feelings as well.

I understand what Bill is doing when you factor TargeT's recent posts on Giovanni's giant thread and also on Cider's thread on Fukushima.

It pains me to say this, but Bill did have a point in all of this. It pains me because I absolutely love TargeT's contributions in so far as radiation and Fukushima are concerned. But I think when Target comes back he will reread his posts, especially those on Cider's thread and see that he was a little out of line.

In so far as this thread specifically is concerned I don't think TargeT was too bad, but cumulatively speaking I can see how TargeT may have needed a break.

[Ewan]

I've got to agree with everything Ewan has just stated.

Ewan you are a gifted and articulate individual. You have really done a great job of summing up some of my feelings as well.

I understand what Bill is doing when you factor TargeT's recent posts on Giovanni's giant thread and also on Cider's thread on Fukushima.

It pains me to say this, but Bill did have a point in all of this. It pains me because I absolutely love TargeT's contributions in so far as radiation and Fukushima are concerned. But I think when Target comes back he will reread his posts, especially those on Cider's thread and see that he was a little out of line.

In so far as this thread specifically is concerned I don't think TargeT was too bad, but cumulatively speaking I can see how TargeT may have needed a break.

Ah! I have to confess I have no idea what has been going on in the two threads you metion.

[onawah]

I think we really need to cut Bill some slack.
In my experience, Bill doesn't usually act that much as a Mod, but he has lately, and that is a very time consuming job.
I for one, appreciate that his presence has been more obvious here on the forum of late.
If he doesn't include a synopsis of an article or audio that he has posted, I think we should also give him credit that he wouldn't post something unless it was worthy of consideration.
And to Target's credit, he does spend time looking into info that is posted as a possible rebuttal to his stance.
I think Bill may have posted those links for Target specifically as he thought they were things Target would have wanted to look into himself, but also, of course, for other members who have the time to check it out for themselves.

[onawah]

I think it's likely that TPTB have been targeting Japan because they were getting out of line, and the artificially generated quakes were the way to make an example of them.

If TPTB wanted to stop the use of nuclear energy plants, I think it would be pretty simple for them to do without going to such lengths.

They could start investing heavily in alternative sources that are already in use and being improved all the time, such as solar panels, and perhaps they already are.

Let's face it, they can hand down directives to almost any government and expect them to be followed, especially if the directives actually made sense!




If I were to distill my original point down to it's most basic message it would be this.
It seems TPTB are trying to get rid of nuclear energy across the earth.

If one were to concede that the earthquake that started the 3-11 tsunami and destroyed Fukushima was a in fact a man made earthquake then one would have to question why? My original post points to a objective outlined by Dr. John Coleman in his 21 goals of the Illuminati as he had written it back in 1992. Being as the elimination of nuclear energy was a stated objective of the Illuminati by Dr. John Coleman back in 1992 and so many of the other goals he had written about back then are coming true I wanted to follow that thread of thought.

That thread of thought continues along the lines of "if one were trying to get rid of nuclear energy then one would want to demonize it as much as possible".

This is where I now find myself. Looking at alternative media pushing the Pacific is dying agenda and this is because of Fukushima.

There are a myriad of reason why we should be trying to figure this out for ourselves.
Not the least of which in my opinion is that there will probably be a situation in the near future where a Fukushima type of event is recreated in a different country and in a different place.

I also tried to convey the message that it seems that this has happened again with the recent earthquakes in the South of Japan.

And this again seemed to be sending the message that nuclear energy is being attacked.

These earthquakes in the south of Japan occurred right after Japan activated three reactors in their south Japan Nuclear facility.

The reason I think this message is lost is due to black and white thinking.
Folks automatically assume that "they" and TPTB can not "share" a same view point on something.

The thing is, I'm not saying we know what TPTB are planning, but if we remain in the realm of reality and exercise critical thinking, maybe just maybe we can figure it out.

This is why I point out the Fukushima scare tactics about the Pacific dying. I'm willing to be wrong on this, but I will out and out state that my guy says that this is all a con job.

[Bill Ryan]

In my experience, Bill doesn't usually act that much as a Mod, but he has lately, and that is a very time consuming job.

This is very much off-topic! But just a clarification here, in case it helps members understand how things work in the engine room. :)

The sequence of events is almost always as follows:


A post is reported. (Sometimes by a mod, but very often by a member)
The mods decide between them (whoever's around, usually 2-4 of the team, maybe) what is best to do — or, sometimes, not to do.
Often, if a response is needed, a draft is proposed by someone. Other mods them comment, and maybe propose an amendment or improvement.
One of the mods (whoever's round) then posts the mods' comment.

That's important to understand, because it's very rare that one moderator just takes action without consulting the whole team first. It's never personal, and almost never unilateral.

:focus:

[onawah]

Here's another example of a nuclear plant causing a lot of problems.
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Published on Apr 28, 2016
Elevated levels of ammonia, phosphorous and radioactive compounds have been detected in cooling canals connected to the Turkey Point Nuclear Plant south of Miami, Florida, and a have seeped into the Biscayne Aquifer affecting much of south Florida’s drinking water. The company operating the plant is now under a 21-day deadline to provide any information on how it occurred, and negotiate solutions. RT America’s Marina Portnaya reports.

[Carmody]

Oh and on that topic of free energy, we do not know the dangers of free energy.
It could be that a free energy device could allow somebody to blow up the moon or something.
I mean free energy sounds good and all until you hear someone used it to vaporize a mountain or a major metropolitan city.

Exactly!
It always puzzles me why people don't seem to take this risk into account when talking about free energy.

Instead of doing a mass killing in a public school, now one can build a device that can destroy a whole city in your garage!!!

This is why we have to be careful about which methods of free energy are promoted or used.

No RF or high frequency devices.

'fizz' types like Rossi's eCat, are excellent choices.

Devices that do not emit radiation, cannot melt down, have no residual contamination issues, use extremely available and inexpensive components that recycle easily, and components and ingredients that do not increase in cost from use OR scaling into to billions of devices. basically, to use it to heat water for turbines, to create electricity... and heat homes and water. House sized, for a winter environment, probably $4kUS. then recharge and renewal, is about $5 per year. Then a 5 and 10 year service, usually no more than $1k, maybe as high as $2k per service/renewal. (the turbine is a moving part that is expensive) In warm climes, solar is dropping rapidly in cost, and can directly compete in installed costs.

The eCat is about 2-3 years out from being capable of flying a small plane with two people in it...for about 1 year, nonstop. The motive force part will be the last part to fail, or require additional expenditure or fuel.

(I've done all the calculations)

[Violet]

Nervous tension about our own nuclear plants with much discussion on safety reports. Whether or not the reports are objective enough (see: Electrabel) and why we aren't taking neighbours' (e.g. Germany) criticism to heart. This follows another (in a series) of "incidents" with our nuclear power plants, and having to temporarily put them out of use or them auto-shutting because of safety issues.

In addition, Minister of Health proposing, yesterday, that whereas before only people within a range of 20km of a nuclear plant were provided iodide tabs (preventive measure in case of radiation disaster) we should now give them to all citizens (article (http://www.demorgen.be/wetenschap/iedereen-krijgt-een-jodiumpil-be5032a0/)in Dutch). I don't see how such a proposal adds up with positive safety reports.

[DNA]

My personal opinion is that I don't think we should advocate nuclear energy, which certainly is dangerous. Do we want another Fukushima or Chernobyl? Or how about ten of them and maybe near you? People have already enough problems with thyroid glands and their health as it is, I certainly wouldn't want an overdose of radiation. Instead I would want the free energy, which has been hidden away for decades now to be revealed and given to all of us so that we could survive and thrive as as society.

I'm against opening new nuclear power plants as well. I'm no fan of nuclear energy and this thread isn't a pro-nuclear thread, this is a anti-disinformation thread.

Hi DNA,

According to Kirk Sorensen and a growing group of others, nuclear energy is not unsafe by default.
It all depends on the technique that is used to generate it.
The Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor is supposed to be safe in regard to possible melt downs and environmental disasters.
He gave up his career by NASA to promote this technique.
China picked up on his work and is now building a LFTR reactor.
Will be interesting to see if this is going to change nuclear energy as we know it and what the impact might be on the energy industry world wide.

short presentation:
uK367T7h6ZY

detailed presentation:
P9M__yYbsZ4


You know I wish TargeT was here to comment on this point. I had discussed something with TargeT along these lines some time in 2014. The discussion was along the lines of it makes absolutely no sense what so ever not to go ahead and start building nuclear reactors thorium based as your youtube videos state. The one reason TargeT gave for they not being built that way has always stuck with me, and what he was alluding to was that there may in fact be a by-product of nuclear reactors that is being used, possibly even in the secret space program.
This is all conjecture and what not, but I found it fascinating just the same. :)

[Eram]

You know I wish TargeT was here to comment on this point. I had discussed something with TargeT along these lines some time in 2014. The discussion was along the lines of it makes absolutely no sense what so ever not to go ahead and start building nuclear reactors thorium based as your youtube videos state. The one reason TargeT gave for they not being built that way has always stuck with me, and what he was alluding to was that there may in fact be a by-product of nuclear reactors that is being used, possibly even in the secret space program.
This is all conjecture and what not, but I found it fascinating just the same. :)

Yes, I think there must at least be one and possibly several hidden reasons why tpbt choose for the "water cooled, high pressure" reactors instead of LFTR. The person in charge of developing the first commercial nuclear reactors wanted the LFTR, but was overruled by forces in the government in favor of the water cooled reactors.

Two reasons I can think of are:
1. There's much more money to be earned in mining Uranium and upgrading it for use in nuclear reactors then would be for thorium.
2. The process of upgrading Uranium for nuclear reactors brings the uranium only one step away from use in military grade weapons (nuclear bombs).


ps: yes, I hope target returns soon.
I'm a big fan.

[Eram]

Another reason I forgot to mention is the fact the the whole process of producing nuclear energy from thorium (LFTR) would be so inexpensive that it would immediately make carbon based energy obsolete.

This might be the number one reason I guess. ;)

[onawah]

Would thorium reactors be less expensive and safer than say, solar energy?
Doesn't it make more sense to have our energy sources in each home and building instead of owned by corporations?
There has always been so much corruption and politics involved with utility companies.
Look at what happened with Tesla's inventions when JP Morgan realized how they could destroy huge profits for greedy millionaires!
It seems to me there are many more advantages to developing cheaper, safer things like solar panels and putting them in all new buildings, and providing incentives for their use in older buildings, and that is beginning to happen.
They may not be ideal, but at least a stopgap until safe free energy devices become available and affordable for individual consumers.
Solar seems to be one good way to help eventually dismantle the big utility companies, and once their power to continue monopolizing energy is gone, it should be easier to develop free energy technology for the public.

Ad for DNA's wondering why TPTB might be wanting to demonize nuclear plants now, perhaps it's simply because some of them are finally realizing that even their DUMBS may not be impervious to the deteriorating plants and all the waste they have created and will continue to create as long as they are operational.

[bettye198]

Well, thats the problem with excessive caffeine TargeT. It's like the poor mans cocaine - it heats the brain to a full boil, leaving the mouth to act as a fulminating exhaust. It gives one the false impression that everything one says is brilliant and witty, when in fact it can be more accurately described as relentlessly annoying.

Honestly, this is kind of how youre coming off. I tell you this as someone who hugely admires your contributions when theyre a little less hyper and self righteous. And look, I speak from experience. It takes one to know one, as they say. At least with me, when I get all wired like that, the debate becomes less about sincerely making a sound point and more about my ego and the manic desire to "win". I see this happening with you.

And its not that youre not making good points backed by good science etc, because you are. But its the way youre making them. Have you ever been around a really smart guy who is on coke or overcaffeinated...a smart guy who is determined to demonstrate his smartness until his tongue bleeds and his jaw swells up in protest? As you know, it is profoundly irritating....especially when you yourself are sober. You're not there yet, but youre kind of on the path..

I say this with respect..and as someone who likes reading your stuff. Truly.
Hey TargeT, loving your caffeine is fine and dandy, haven't we all thought that? When it disturbs sleep, another story. Have you tried Bulletproof coffee? I buy the no pesticide coffee from the tropical areas via the Bulletproof website, mix the ground with MCT oil ( mid chain triglycerides that digest easier than coconut oil) add a pat of grassfed butter per instructions, then whatever else you like, Maca cocoa, cinnamon, vanilla. It is utterly delicious and stays with you without the jitters. I used to get jitters from regular even organic coffee, but this, this is the bomb.

[DNA]

Well, thats the problem with excessive caffeine TargeT. It's like the poor mans cocaine - it heats the brain to a full boil, leaving the mouth to act as a fulminating exhaust. It gives one the false impression that everything one says is brilliant and witty, when in fact it can be more accurately described as relentlessly annoying.

Honestly, this is kind of how youre coming off. I tell you this as someone who hugely admires your contributions when theyre a little less hyper and self righteous. And look, I speak from experience. It takes one to know one, as they say. At least with me, when I get all wired like that, the debate becomes less about sincerely making a sound point and more about my ego and the manic desire to "win". I see this happening with you.

And its not that youre not making good points backed by good science etc, because you are. But its the way youre making them. Have you ever been around a really smart guy who is on coke or overcaffeinated...a smart guy who is determined to demonstrate his smartness until his tongue bleeds and his jaw swells up in protest? As you know, it is profoundly irritating....especially when you yourself are sober. You're not there yet, but youre kind of on the path..

I say this with respect..and as someone who likes reading your stuff. Truly.
Hey TargeT, loving your caffeine is fine and dandy, haven't we all thought that? When it disturbs sleep, another story. Have you tried Bulletproof coffee? I buy the no pesticide coffee from the tropical areas via the Bulletproof website, mix the ground with MCT oil ( mid chain triglycerides that digest easier than coconut oil) add a pat of grassfed butter per instructions, then whatever else you like, Maca cocoa, cinnamon, vanilla. It is utterly delicious and stays with you without the jitters. I used to get jitters from regular even organic coffee, but this, this is the bomb.

You know what else helps is cold brewing your coffee. I take my organic coffee, place it in a French press and let it sit in the fridge over night brewing in cold water. This helps to keep certain oils from leaving the grounds and reduces the jitters quite a bit.

[DNA]

Ad for DNA's wondering why TPTB might be wanting to demonize nuclear plants now, perhaps it's simply because some of them are finally realizing that even their DUMBS may not be impervious to the deteriorating plants and all the waste they have created and will continue to create as long as they are operational.


See, now you are thinking. You have to climb into the heads of these folks and think like they do in order to figure this stuff out. Below is a map of the 99 nuclear power plants in the USA.
If there were a WWIII of any kind do you know how easy it would be to destroy the United States by bombing these specific targets.
Also, think about it like this.
If you implemented a plague type scenario where 20% of the population was getting killed off, you would have a situation where NO social services were being manned and this would include the technicians in these nuclear power plants. What happens when no one is operating these power plants?
I think we know the answers to those problems.

[onawah]

Yep, they may be insane, but they're not ALL that stupid.

[DNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wN7BdNKIVI

Richard Hoagland is really on point here.
Richard is stating that there appears to be a war going on within the secret space programs. So he is saying really that there are secret space programs, plural more than one.
He goes back to the Nazis and talks about how they were trying to eliminate the competition. And that meant that they were trying to eliminate the people who were on to the same secrets that they had, and Richard is stating that these secrets have to do with a model of physics that is more correct than what we are getting in so far as society right now. The enemies of the Nazis were apparently the Masons and somehow people of the Jewish faith but I'm not quite understanding that. He is stating that this true physics has been inside the mystic segment of Judaism for thousands of years. Richard is not clear on the implications here.

Richard states that the "elite" understand how to reduce the damage from things like Fukushima, but in so doing they would be releasing technology that they do not want the masses to have. So he hints that they are using this technology on the down low without letting folks know about it.
Richard will not commit to stating that Fukushima was or was not caused by a human faction but instead states that the important thing to note here is the accelerated rate we are now experiencing earthquakes.
Richard seems to be hinting that the secret space program is peopled by folks who might as well be considered immortal.
What is not clear, is that are these immortals "new" to immortality or are they "old" to it.

[onawah]

I just happened to go to Jeff Rense's site: http://rense.com/ ...and there's a WHOLE lot of warnings about Fukushima and other plants and dangers thereof as follows:

Your Radiation This Week - #54

After Belgium, Netherlands To Hand Out Iodine Pills

Japan Nuke Plant Stays Online...Despite 1,000 Quakes

Chemical Vapors Sicken 20 Hanford Nuke Workers

Indian Pt Called 'Disaster Waiting To Happen'

WAKE UP - N America In MORTAL DANGER From Fukushima

The Great Fukushima Ice Wall Is Leaking

The Chernobyl 'Suicide Squad’

Belgium To Give All Residents Antiradiation Pills
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Fukushima Radiation Plume, Nears West Coast - Graphs & Vid

Fukushima Radiation Blasted US In March 2011 - Model

Real Time World Earthquake Monitor

Your Radiation This Week - #54

After Belgium, Netherlands To Hand Out Iodine Pills

Japan Nuke Plant Stays Online...Despite 1,000 Quakes

Chemical Vapors Sicken 20 Hanford Nuke Workers

Indian Pt Called 'Disaster Waiting To Happen'

WAKE UP - N America In MORTAL DANGER From Fukushima

30 Ys After Chernobyl, Milk Has Banned Strontium 90

Who Will Prevent The Next Chernobyl?

Chernobyl's Haunting Ruins In 360 Degree Photos

Chernobyl, Fukushima Meltdowns BAD Effects On Wildlife

Revisiting Chernobyl

Putin - Chernobyl A Serious Lesson To Mankind

Christopher Busby - The Real Legacy Of Chernobyl

Computer Virus Discovered In German Nuke Plant

Ruined Chernobyl NPP To Be A Threat For 3,000 Yrs

Idaho Nuke Waste Plant In Trouble

Tokyo Logo Goes Masonic Evil

Release Of Tritium From Fukushima Planned

Dead Animals Litter CA Beaches - Pacific Death Knell

Reliving The Chernobyl Horror 30 Years Later

Bluefin Tuna 97% Gone From 'Overfishing' (radiation)

Enormous Genetic Plant, Veggie Fukushima Deformities

Your Radiation This Week - #53

The Case Of The Disappearing Salmon

TV On 'Catastrophic' Leak At Hanford

US Playing A Dangerous Game With Nuclear Waste

Dumping Tritium From Fukushima Into Pacific

Fukushima Nuke Plant Hit With 5.8 Quake

Radiation Wiping Out Bluefin Tuna

Hanford 3,500 Gal Radioactive Waste Leak 'Catastrophic'

US Denies Pay To Nuclear Weapons Workers With Cancer

Indian Pt Causing Massive Spike In Thyroid Cancer

More...





Fukushima Radiation On America

Hear Jeff Discuss How To Establish
Your Own Online Rad Station - Click HERE

Pictures Of How To Create Your Own
PacRadStation.net Clone HERE

* Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center

* National Nuclear Emergency Map
Updated 24/7 In Real Time

* Obama OKs DEADLY Hikes In 'Safe' Radiation Exposure

* Obama Raises 'Safe' Rad In Drinking Water 27,000x Higher

* Huge Radiation Readings In CA And NM Disappear

* Enormous W Coast CPMs Vanish After Site Back Online - Vid

* Japan Earthquakes 2011 Visualization Map - Vid

* W Coast Covered In Massive 3/11 Radiation - Vid

* Coverup Of West Coast Radiation From Fukushima

* Fukushima Radiation Plume, Nears West Coast - Graphs & Vid

* WATCH - What Cesium 137 Will Really Do To You - Vid

* Chart Of Radiation Dose Levels In Millisieverts

* Jeff & Dr. Russell Blaylock - Supplements
To Fight Radiation Exposure - Vid

* Live National Radiation Network Map

* Radiation Dose Chart

* The Radiation Database User Guide - Vid

30 Ys After Chernobyl, Milk Has Banned Strontium 90

Dead Animals Litter CA Beaches - Pacific Death Knell

Who Will Prevent The Next Chernobyl?

Chernobyl's Haunting Ruins In 360 Degree Photos

Chernobyl, Fukushima Meltdowns BAD Effects On Wildlife
and MUCH MORE here:...http://www.rense.com/Datapages/radiationdat.htm

I think it would be a very good thing if TPTB are cleaning up the mess, even if it's clandestinely... and that might account for why the radiation in some quarters, at least, doesn't appear to be as bad as originally thought.

[Bill Ryan]

I just happened to go to Jeff Rense's site: http://rense.com ...and there's a WHOLE lot of warnings about Fukushima and other plants and dangers thereof as follows:



Yes, thanks! :thumbsup:

Here are the links again (or most of them!) with the active URLs embedded:

Your Radiation This Week - #54 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/04/30/your-radiation-this-week-no-54/) After Belgium, Netherlands To Hand Out Iodine Pills (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/30/netherlands-to-hand-out-iodine-pills-in-case-of-nuclear-accident)
Japan Nuke Plant Stays Online...Despite 1,000 Quakes (https://www.rt.com/news/341410-earthquake-japan-nuclear-plant/)
Chemical Vapors Sicken 20 Hanford Nuke Workers (https://www.rt.com/usa/341438-chemical-vapors-sicken-11-workers/)
Indian Pt Called 'Disaster Waiting To Happen' (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indian-point-nuclear-power-plant-called-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/)
WAKE UP - N America In MORTAL DANGER From Fukushima (http://enenews.com/tv-west-coast-north-america-will-be-safe-fukushima-radiation-ocean-contamination-continues-animals-suddenly-died-shores-canada-after-nuclear-disaster-fatally-high-levels-radioactive-material-flo)
The Great Fukushima Ice Wall Is Leaking (http://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20160428/p2g/00m/0dm/096000c)
The Chernobyl 'Suicide Squad’ (http://sorendreier.com/the-chernobyl-suicide-squad/)
Belgium To Give All Residents Antiradiation Pills (http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160428/1038752133/belgium-provide-antiradiation-pills.html)
30 Ys After Chernobyl, Milk Has Banned Strontium 90 (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2c7552254d51436eb186a1ccaf89ff00/ap-exclusive-test-finds-chernobyl-residue-belarus-milk)
Dead Animals Litter CA Beaches - Pacific Death Knell (http://enenews.com/alarming-phenomenon-dead-animals-litter-california-beaches-graveyard-washed-sea-life-influx-malnourished-sea-creatures-experts-really-starting-worry-theyre-skin-bones-immune-systems-weak-cove)
Who Will Prevent The Next Chernobyl? (http://www.livescience.com/54550-preventing-another-nuclear-meltdown.html)
Chernobyl's Haunting Ruins In 360 Degree Photos (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160425-pictures-chernobyl-disaster-anniversary/)
Chernobyl, Fukushima Meltdowns BAD Effects On Wildlife (http://www.businessinsider.com/chernobyl-and-fukushima-nuclear-meltdowns-affected-local-wildlife-2016-4)
Fukushima Radiation Plume, Nears West Coast - Graphs & Vid (http://www.rense.com/general96/plume.html)
Fukushima Radiation Blasted US In March 2011 - Model (http://www.rense.com/general96/fukdiach.html)
Real Time World Earthquake Monitor (http://www.iris.edu/seismon/)
Your Radiation This Week - #54 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/04/30/your-radiation-this-week-no-54/)
After Belgium, Netherlands To Hand Out Iodine Pills (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/30/netherlands-to-hand-out-iodine-pills-in-case-of-nuclear-accident)
Japan Nuke Plant Stays Online...Despite 1,000 Quakes (https://www.rt.com/news/341410-earthquake-japan-nuclear-plant/)
Chemical Vapors Sicken 20 Hanford Nuke Workers (https://www.rt.com/usa/341438-chemical-vapors-sicken-11-workers/)
Indian Pt Called 'Disaster Waiting To Happen' (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indian-point-nuclear-power-plant-called-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen/)
WAKE UP - N America In MORTAL DANGER From Fukushima (http://enenews.com/tv-west-coast-north-america-will-be-safe-fukushima-radiation-ocean-contamination-continues-animals-suddenly-died-shores-canada-after-nuclear-disaster-fatally-high-levels-radioactive-material-flo)
30 Ys After Chernobyl, Milk Has Banned Strontium 90 (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2c7552254d51436eb186a1ccaf89ff00/ap-exclusive-test-finds-chernobyl-residue-belarus-milk)
Who Will Prevent The Next Chernobyl? (http://www.livescience.com/54550-preventing-another-nuclear-meltdown.html)
Chernobyl's Haunting Ruins In 360 Degree Photos (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160425-pictures-chernobyl-disaster-anniversary/)
Chernobyl, Fukushima Meltdowns BAD Effects On Wildlife (http://www.businessinsider.com/chernobyl-and-fukushima-nuclear-meltdowns-affected-local-wildlife-2016-4)
Revisiting Chernobyl (http://rense.com/general96/revisChern.html)
Putin - Chernobyl A Serious Lesson To Mankind (http://tass.ru/en/politics/872378)
Christopher Busby - The Real Legacy Of Chernobyl (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/340930-chernobyl-radiation-health-nuclear/)
Computer Virus Discovered In German Nuke Plant (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-25/computer-virus-discovered-german-nuclear-power-plant)
Ruined Chernobyl NPP To Be A Threat For 3,000 Yrs (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article73405857.html)
Idaho Nuke Waste Plant In Trouble (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/24/looming-deadline-for-nuclear-waste-plant-future-in/)
Tokyo Logo Goes Masonic Evil (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/04/25/national/checkered-pattern-chosen-as-official-logo-for-2020-tokyo-olympic-games/)
Release Of Tritium From Fukushima Planned (http://www.naturalblaze.com/2016/04/release-of-tritium-from-fukushima-planned.html)
Dead Animals Litter CA Beaches - Pacific Death Knell (http://enenews.com/alarming-phenomenon-dead-animals-litter-california-beaches-graveyard-washed-sea-life-influx-malnourished-sea-creatures-experts-really-starting-worry-theyre-skin-bones-immune-systems-weak-cove)
Reliving The Chernobyl Horror 30 Years Later (https://www.rt.com/news/340799-chernobyl-disaster-anniversary-memories/)
Bluefin Tuna 97% Gone From 'Overfishing' (radiation) (http://nextshark.com/bluefin-tuna-down-97-sushi/)
Enormous Genetic Plant, Veggie Fukushima Deformities (http://enenews.com/nuclear-expert-weve-detected-lot-cases-gargantuanism-fukushima-reporter-gigantic-beet-almost-big-upper-part-man-trying-hold-theyre-people-reporting-abnormalities-photos-video)
Your Radiation This Week - #53 (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/04/23/your-radiation-this-week-no-53/)
The Case Of The Disappearing Salmon (https://psmag.com/the-case-of-the-disappearing-salmon-3a483dc59b9#.bznkyms79)
TV On 'Catastrophic' Leak At Hanford (http://enenews.com/alarm-catastrophic-event-nuclear-site-emergency-response-underway-surge-radioactive-leakage-after-essentially-blowing-hole-massive-tank-containing-deadliest-substance-earth-former-worker-very)
US Playing A Dangerous Game With Nuclear Waste (http://www.wired.com/2016/04/us-playing-dangerous-game-musical-chairs-nuclear-waste/)
Dumping Tritium From Fukushima Into Pacific (http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201604200041.html)
Fukushima Nuke Plant Hit With 5.8 Quake (https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1197)
Radiation Wiping Out Bluefin Tuna (http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/grim-outlook-for-bluefin-tuna-report-says/)
Hanford 3,500 Gal Radioactive Waste Leak 'Catastrophic' (https://www.rt.com/usa/340234-hanford-nuclear-waste-leak-washington/)
US Denies Pay To Nuclear Weapons Workers With Cancer (http://sputniknews.com/us/20160420/1038290681/america-doe-nasa-victims-nuclear.html)
Indian Pt Causing Massive Spike In Thyroid Cancer (http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/04/19/chernobyl-hudson-causing-massive-spike-thyroid-cancer/)
More... (http://rense.com/Datapages/japanquakedat.htm)
Hear Jeff Discuss How To Establish Your Own Online Rad Station - Click HERE (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_New_020314.mp3)
Pictures Of How To Create Your Own PacRadStation.net Clone HERE (http://radiation-watch-san-mateo-coast.com/DIY/index.html)
* (http://netc.com/) Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center (http://netc.com/)
* National Nuclear Emergency Map Updated 24/7 In Real Time (http://netc.com/)
* Obama OKs DEADLY Hikes In 'Safe' Radiation Exposure (http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-approves-raising-permissible-levels-of-nuclear-radiation-in-drinking-water-civilian-cancer-deaths-expected-to-skyrocket/5331224)
* Obama Raises 'Safe' Rad In Drinking Water 27,000x Higher (http://www.enviroreporter.com/2013/07/epa-nukes-radiation-rules/all/1)
* Huge Radiation Readings In CA And NM Disappear (http://www.allnewspipeline.com/Something_Very_Strange_Is_Going_On.php)
* Enormous W Coast CPMs Vanish After Site Back Online - Vid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Urt2Oxw24fuku)
* (http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-radiated-west-co-cover-up) Japan Earthquakes 2011 Visualization Map (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSBjEvPH2j4) - Vid
* (http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-radiated-west-co-cover-up) W Coast Covered In Massive 3/11 Radiation (http://vislab.cyi.ac.cy/portfolio/fukushima-fallout/) - Vid (http://enenews.com/new-simulation-shows)
* Coverup Of West Coast Radiation From Fukushima (http://www.examiner.com/article/fukushima-radiated-west-co-cover-up)

* Fukushima Radiation Plume, Nears West Coast - Graphs & Vid (http://www.rense.com/general96/plume.html)

* WATCH - What Cesium 137 Will Really Do To You (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDgnBqBJZNc) - Vid

* Chart Of Radiation Dose Levels In Millisieverts (http://rense.com/general96/chartmilisvrt.html)

* Jeff & Dr. Russell Blaylock - Supplements To Fight Radiation Exposure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1vVhQuMTyg) - Vid

* Live National Radiation Network Map (http://radiationnetwork.com/)

* Radiation Dose Chart (http://xkcd.com/radiation/)

* The Radiation Database User Guide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phA3UUI1DRc&context=C4dd8be3ADvjVQa1PpcFOdmIvAQ-CA13exklKMV1wPEa-RjQXq4fQ=) - Vid
More... (http://www.rense.com/Datapages/radiationdat.htm)

[bluestflame]

i hgave always thought that th elite or "whomever" has the tech to undo damage from radiation but won't do so till after they have control and big population reduction

[DNA]

Fukushima Radiation Hysteria:
A Well Funded & Calculated Disinformation Campaign
Index of Articles (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fukushimaradiationhysteriaindex.shtml#top)


Fukushima Radiation Hysteria debunked on March 15, 2011 by Ben Fulford. I recently found an archived audio interview that Kerry Cassidy of Project Camelot did with Ben Fulford and Dr John Waterman on March 15, 2011, just FOUR days after the 3/11 attack on Japan in which Ben Fulford corroborates to a remarkable degree the same assertions that I have stated at this web site since March 12, 2011 - that the 3/11 Japan attack itself was a product of sabotage and that Zionist-controlled Leftist media outlets were manufacturing a radiation hysteria 'crisis' that had no basis in reality...Ken

Kerry Cassidy with Dr John Waterman in USA and Ben Fulford in Japan (March 15, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Project-Camelot15mar2011BenFulford.mp3

Index of articles countering Fukushima radiation hysteria

Hospital Radiation Study Shows Fukushima Residents South of Dai-ichi Nuclear Plant Have Minimal Internal Radiation Exposure (Dec. 26, 3015)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Hospital-Radiation-Study-Shows-Fukushima-Residents-South-of-Dai-ichi-Nuclear-Plant-Have-Minimal-Internal-Radiation-Exposure30oct15.shtml#top

you are helping a crime against humanity and the planet" (June 10, 2015)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/you-are-helping-a-crime-against-humanity-and-the-planet10jun15.shtml#top

Huge Surprise: Sockeye Salmon, Inshore Waters off British Columbia Found to Be Free of Nonexistent Fukushima Radiation Contamination (Dec. 21, 2014)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bcfishfukushimafree18dec14.shtml#top

Former Fukushima Radiation Hysteria Believer Pays for Lab Tests & Discovers Sea Kelp Purchased in Northern Japan Is Competely Safe (Jan. 19, 2014)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/japankelptestedsafe19jan14.shtml

Arnie Gundersen, Fraudulent Fabricator of Fukushima Radiation Hysteria (Jan. 14, 2014)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/adamsgundersenvideo13jul12.shtml

Fear vs. Radiation: The Mismatch by David Ropeik (Oct. 21, 2013. EY posted Jan. 14, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fearvradiationmismatch21oct13.shtml

Rumor Mill News Readers Notice Connection Between Fukushima 'Earthquake' Party Line, Radiation Hysteria, Emperor Rense and Henry Makow Breakup (Jan. 4, 2014)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/RMNfukushimaradiationrensecomments04jan14.shtml

Turner Radio Network Brazenly Fabricates Sensationa, Dishonestl Fukushima Radiation Scare Stories to Gain Readers (Jan. 6, 2014)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/turnerhealthcanadaconcealinghoax06jan14.shtml

Rumor Mill News Readers Notice Connection Between Fukushima 'Earthquake' Party Line, Radiation Hysteria, Emperor Rense and Henry Makow Breakup (Jan. 4, 2014)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/RMNfukushimaradiationrensecomments04jan14.shtml

Veteran Radiation Detection Vendor, Craig Douglas, Wages Uphill Battle Convincing Preppers & Patriots That There Was (and Is) NO Radiation Danger from Fukushima (Jan. 5, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/craigdouglasfukushimapropagandabattle05jan14.shtml

Mother Now Worries Daily About Fukushima Radiation "Crisis" Being Fanned by Hysteria Promoters like Dr. Christopher Busby at Infowars (Nov 19, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/christopherbiusbyalarmism19nov13.shtml

Do you really want a Geiger counter? by Craig Douglas (Oct. 16, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/geigercountersvssurveymeter16oct13.shtml

Latest Rense Promoted Fukushima Radiation Hysteria Video Illustrative of the Triumph of Ignorance Over Informed Observation and Analysis, Part 1 (Dec. 31, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sanmateobeachradiationvideoApart31dec13.shtml

Japan's Radiation Disaster Toll: None Dead, None Sick by John Watson (June 4, 2013, EY posted Nov. 22, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/japanradiationtollnone04jun13.shtml

Woods Hole Radionuclide Expert Ken Buesseler's FAQ on Radiation from Fukushima (August 28, 2013, EY posted Nov. 22, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/woodsholefaqfukushima28aug13.shtml

Sept. 20, 2013: Tokyo's Daily Radiation Readings NOW Equivalent to Background Radiation Levels BEFORE March 11, 2011, Underscorinmg the Big Lie of Fukushima Radiation Hysteria (Sept. 21, 2013)

What You Need To Know About Fukushima’s Radiation And The U.S. Food Supply (Sep. 12, 2013, EY posted Nov. 22, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fishsafetyfukushimaseafood12sep13.shtml

Mother Now Worries Daily About Fukushima Radiation "Crisis" Being Fanned by Hysteria Promoters like Dr. Christopher Busby at Infowars (Nov 19, 013)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/christopherbiusbyalarmism19nov13.shtml

Thinking Reader Brilliantly Dissembles Rense-Posted Fukushima Radiation Hysteria Article with Simple Mathematical Analysis (Nov. 15, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/debunkingfukushimaradiationhysteria15nov13.shtml

Former Navy Nuclear Engineer Rod Adams Addresses Fear Mongering Tactics of Fukushima Radiation Alarmists (Oct. 27, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/adamsfukushimafacts07mar12.shtml

Fukushima Radiation Exposure and Risks Overblown According to Study by Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski (Oct. 26, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fukushimaradiationrisksoverblown26oct13.shtml

In Praise of Tokyo Electric Power Company TEPCO by ZS Livingstone (Oct. 3, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/tokyoelectricpower03oct13.shtml

Sept. 20, 2013: Tokyo's Daily Radiation Readings NOW Equivalent to Background Radiation Levels BEFORE March 11, 2011, Underscorinmg the Big Lie of Fukushima Radiation Hysteria (Sept. 21, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/tokyoradiationreadings20sep13.shtml

No, Radiation from Fukushima has NOT Killed Hundreds of Whales (Sep. 5, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fukushimahoaxwhales05sep13.shtml

Japanese Video of 2011 Seismic Activity Reveals Active Role of Satellite Earthquake Machines Following 3/11 by ZS Livingstone (May 4, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/japanartificialseismicattackrecord04mar13.shtml

Fukushima Reactors Status Report April 11, 2013
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fukushimareactorstatuss11apr13.shtml

Bloomberg News Admits Fukushima Radiation Overblown, Underscoring Accuracy of ZS Livingstone's Articles at E-Y.org Following Japan Attack on 3/11/11 (March 10, 2013)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/fukushimaradiationoverblownsaysbloomberg10mar13.shtml

E-mail From Japan re. Fukushima Alarmism & Dumping Nuclear Waste (Dec. 6, 2012)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/letterfromjapan05dec12.shtml

Tokyo's Daily Radiation Readings Underscore the Fallacy of the Fukushima Radiation Hysteria (Dec. 4, 2012)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/tokyodailyradiationmonitor03dec12.shtml

Letter: Fukushima Psyops Crystalizes NWO Goal to Eliminate Nuclear Energy (May 31, 2012)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/fukushimaruse31may12.shtml

Death by Radiation: Coming Soon to a Neighborhood Near You, Part 1 (May 28, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/radiationpsyops28may11.shtml

Death by Radiation, Part 2 (May 29, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/radiationpsyops2part29may11.shtml

Fukushima Radiation Fear Mongering: An Orchestrated Scare Campaign Exceeding the Fraud of 9/11 (May 19, 2012)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fukushimaradiationpsyops19may12.shtml

Overcoming the Japan Radiation Propaganda 'Tsunami' Is An Uphill Battle (May 2, 2012)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/japanradiationpropagandatsunami02may12.shtml

Fukushima: Just How Dangerous Is Radiation? (April 27, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/fukushimahowdangerous27apr11.shtml

There Is No Meltdown at Daiichi! by ZS Livingstone (April 10, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/japanphonymeltdownpsyops10apr11.shtml

Japanese Blog: "Clear Evidence" Rockefeller Behind 3/11 and Sabotaged Nuclear Reactors (April 9, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/japaneseblogrockefellerevidence09apr11.shtml

"Did You Think?" (Japan Radiation Alarmism) April 7, 2011
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/didyouthink07apr11.shtml

Japan Radiation Hype: Those Who Pump It & Those Who Believe It (April 6, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/japanradiationhype06apr11.shtml

Fear of Radiation is a Psi-Op by ZS Livingstone (March 23, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/radiationfearpsyops23mar11.shtml

Japan Radiation Scare Hugely Overblown by Western Media (Mar. 19, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/japanradiationlevels19mar11.shtml

Japan's Nuclear Reactor Hydrogen Explosions by ZS Livingstone (March 14, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/japanreactorexplosions14mar11.shtml

Japan's 3/11/11 Mega 9.1 Earthquake: Another Illuminati Production? (Mar. 12, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/japanquakemanufactured12mar11.shtml

Radio shows & Transcripts

Radio Shows & Transcripts Discussing the 3/11 Attack on Japan: the nuke-created 'tsunami'; the sabotage at Daiichi Nuclear Power station; and the orchestrated Fukushima radiation hysteria psy-op

March 16, 2011 Don Nicoloff & ZS Livingstone Discuss the March 11, 2011 ATTACK on Japam (1 hr) zip file
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/ZSL16mar11interviewedit.zip (fast 2 min. download, unzip, and listen whenever you want from your hard drive or mp.3 player)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/ZSL16mar11interviewedit.mp3 (streaming mp3 audio for those who don't know how to download & upzip)


Don Nicoloff mentions this March 12, 2011 article below which broke the story of the 3/11 attack on Japan: (Translate into any language using Google Translate)
Japan's 3/11/11 Mega 9.1 Earthquake: Another Illuminati Production? (Mar. 12, 2011)
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/japanquakemanufactured12mar11.shtml

March 24, 2011 Ken Adachi, ZSL, & Don Nicoloff Discuss the Hidden Agenda Behind Japan's Manufactured Earthquake/Radiation Crisis (1hr.26 mins).zip file
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiZSL24mar11interviewedit.zip (fast download, unzip, and listen)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiZSL24mar11interviewedit.mp3 (Streaming mp3 audio)

March. 31, 2011: Ken Adachi, ZSL, & Don Nicoloff~Japan's Engineered Disasters on 3/11 (1 hr.15 mins) zip file
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiZSL31mar11interviewedit.zip
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiZSL31mar11interviewedit.mp3 (Streaming mp3 audio)


Radio Transcript, March. 31, 2011: (Easy to translate into any language using Google Translate)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/radiotranscript31mar11.shtml

April 14, 2011 ZS Livingstone & Don Nicoloff Dismantle the Japan "Radiation" Apprehension Psyops on BBS Radio zip file
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/ZSL14apr11intrerviewedit.zip (fast download, unzip, and listen whenever you want from your hard drive or mp.3 player)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/ZSL14apr11intrerviewedit.mp3 (streaming mp3 audio if you don't know how to download and uzip)


Transcript of April 14, 2011 radio show (Easy to translate into any language using Google Translate)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/radiotranscript14apr11.shtml

May 13, 2011 ZS Livingstone, Jim Murray, & Don Nicoloff Riview What Really Happened in Japan on 3/11 (1 hr, 20 mins) zip file
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/KenAdachiZSL25may12partBedit.zip (fast download, unzip, and listen whenever you want from your hard drive or mp.3 player)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/JimMurrayZSL13may11edit.mp3 (streaming mp3 audio if you don't know how to download and uzip)


Transcript of May 13, 2011 radio show (Easy to translate into any language using Google Translate)
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/radiotranscript13may11.shtml

This show was recorded just 2 months following the 3/11 attack on Japan. It includes historically important insights and understandings of what really took place on 3/11. Japan was subjected to an attack by the Illuminati on 3/11, as much as the People of America were BETRAYED and attacked by treasonous NWO minions in the Executive, CIA, Pentagon, NORAD, etc. with the joint collaboration of Israeli Mossad on 9/11. The earthquake, the so-called tsunami, and the explosions that took place at the Daiichi nuclear power station in Fukushima, were all planned acts of sabotage. Non English speakers should download the transcript and translate into their native language,

[DNA]

Hey DNA. I watched a documentary a couple years ago about a scientist who claimed nuclear reactors were so harmless he actually swam in the reactor water. I spent a few minutes looking for it but I have to get to work so don't have time to keep looking.

Hey Matt
I was curious about what you were talking about and I think I found what you were looking for. This is certainly a strange tale. I enjoyed it.



Man Eats Uranium, Drinks and Swims In Reactor Water, Ignites Plutonium In His Bare Hand

(https://www.libertariannews.org/2012/06/27/man-eats-uranium-drinks-and-swims-in-reactor-water-ignites-plutonium-in-his-bare-hand/)by Michael Suede • June 27, 2012

Apparently radioactive material isn’t as dangerous as the EPA has made it out to be. You can still watch the video on YouTube by clicking the play button and clicking through to the YouTube video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEXG7h6kBOQ


From the video notes:


Galen Winsor is a nuclear physicist of renown who worked at, and helped design, nuclear power plants in Hanford, WA; Oak Ridge, TN; Morris, IL, San Jose, CA; Wimington, NJ. Among his positions of expertise he was in charge of measuring and controlling the nuclear fuel inventory and storage.

Galen Winsor has traveled and lectured all over America, spoken on national talk radio, and made several videos exposing the misunderstood issues of nuclear radiation. He shows that fear of radiation has been exaggerated to scare people … so a few powerful people can maintain total control of the world’s most valuable power resource. Filmed by Ben Williams in 1986.

In the video, you can watch Galen lick a pile of highly radioactive uranium off the palm of his hand and ignite a chunk of plutonium into a shower of flaming dust. The guy also drank reactor cooling pool water for fun and liked to go swimming in the pool to relax. He also spiked the basement flooring of his own home with enough radioactive material to send any Geiger counter reading off the scale to disprove the fear mongering surrounding radon at the time.

Galen surmises the regulations and fear mongering that surround radioactive materials are in place to prevent the widespread adoption of nuclear power in local small scale neighborhood/home based reactors. Galen also points out that hot nuclear “waste” can be effectively turned into a safe power source through thermionic conversion, which is how the U.S. submarine navigation network was powered. The heat it gives off can also be used to safely heat homes.

He points out that nuclear “waste” is worth roughly $10 million (in 1986 dollars) a ton if it were to be reprocessed to collect its useful isotopes, so all of this talk about trying to bury it is a sham. He says the power companies are holding all the waste with the intent of playing the plutonium futures market. The “waste” could be stored above ground in already constructed buildings meeting all the regulatory requirements without the need to have these outrageous basalt mines dug into mountains. The only reason he can think of for these underground vaults is to hide bodies/evidence that the state doesn’t want uncovered.

At its core, he says federal controls over nuclear material is about maintaining power and control over the masses through the denial of self-sufficient power sources. Obviously if one had a personal sized power source that was cheap and efficient, they wouldn’t need to be connected to the “grid” for anything. The power grid is the control grid our rulers use to keep us under their thumbs.

He also says Three Mile Island was an intentionally created disaster, and that a core meltdown could not melt its way deep into the Earth.



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[Bill Ryan]

debunked on March 15, 2011 by Ben Fulford

Does that qualify as an oxymoron?




Hey Matt
I was curious about what you were talking about and I think I found what you were looking for. This is certainly a strange tale. I enjoyed it.

http://libertariannews.org/2012/06/27/man-eats-uranium-drinks-and-swims-in-reactor-water-ignites-plutonium-in-his-bare-hand

Yes, the Avalon thread is here, from June 2012: (discussion about this curious tale there, please)
A video they won't want you to see (Galen Winsor: nuclear scare scam) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scare-scam-)

[DNA]

debunked on March 15, 2011 by Ben Fulford

Does that qualify as an oxymoron?


I was of the opinion that this link was a tad premature considering it is dated only four days after the earthquake/tsunami of 3-11, but it was listed in the group of links as reference material and I wasn't trying to pick and choose.




Hey Matt
I was curious about what you were talking about and I think I found what you were looking for. This is certainly a strange tale. I enjoyed it.

http://libertariannews.org/2012/06/27/man-eats-uranium-drinks-and-swims-in-reactor-water-ignites-plutonium-in-his-bare-hand


Yes, the Avalon thread is here, from June 2012: (discussion about this curious tale there, please)
A video they won't want you to see (Galen Winsor: nuclear scare scam) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46819-A-video-they-won-t-want-you-to-see--Galen-Winsor-nuclear-scare-scam-)


On another related thread I ran across this post from nonesuch, as the author talked with a scientist from Los Alamos and was told that the technology existed to clean up the radiation from nuclear waste associated with nuclear reactors (as is stated in the Richard Hoagland interview I just posted), the poster nonesuch then goes on to state maybe this is already going on in nuclear power plants and this is why Galen Winsor was able to do what he did. Because the nuclear reactor water and the other items he handled may have already been treated with this technology. Regardless, this posts exhibits what I consider to be "THE BEST" of Avalon in terms of what I am hoping to find here. And that is people correlating their own personal data and experiences with subjects we are discussing.



Just throwing this into the mix. Several years ago, maybe 2004, I was friends with a woman here in Santa Fe whose husband, a scientist, was in the process of retiring from Los Alamos Labs. I met him at their home over dinner one night and after we ate I got to talking to him in his study about many topics including nuclear energy. I don't recall many of the details of our tal or how I came to ask him about the problem of nuclear waste and the incredibly long time it would affect the planet.

I wasn't accusatory or taking a stance against him in any way, though I was withholding my point of view from him so that I might get some inside information he wouldn't be forthcoming about otherwise. Though he was intelligent snf liberal, he indicated with a couple comments that he was not friendly to protests against his chosen profession.

In answer to my question about nuclear waste, he told me rather casually that they'd already figured out an effective way to deactivate nuclear waste years ago and it was no longer a problem. I was shocked, but didn't have the state of mind to ask him why in hell's name that knowledge wasn't applied in the world. My Libran diplomacy was in full swing as I was somewhat horrified to be talking to the 'enemy' but didn't want to shut down the discussion by picketing his study.

There was no drama or defensiveness in his answer. Besides, nuclear energy wasn't the focus of his work. He was more interested in telling me about his pet project he was presenting to the top honchos on how to extract water from the atmosphere. It was pretty grandiose, but it was clearly real project. He took the time to draw models of how it would work and he was totally enthusiastic about the prospects of them being approved for development. I have no idea if it was top secret. It didn't seem to be and I never followed up with him about any of what we talked about, since we never became friends.

I watched all of part one of the Galen video. Though I know nearly nothing about the science of nuclear energy, I gathered from his video (that i'll watch again to verify) that the kind of radiation he exposed himself to was possibly a form that wasn't interacting in some way with other elements or processes that would make it dangerous. It wasn't the main thrust of his presentation though.

I believe he was telling the truth. He demonstrated on stage that he could touch and eat substances with levels of radiation we are led to believe by government and industry would kill everyone within a mile's radius. I don't know what to make of his ideas, since there are so many many people who have developed cancer or given birth to affected children as the result of exposure to nuclear radiation through accidents. I couldn't come up with a motive (other than speaker's fees) to present lies about real nuclear dangers that could get him in hot water with the industry he'd been involved with for years.

So, maybe there ARE ways to completely neutralize the dangers of nuclear radiation that the industry/government is not sharing with the public. Certainly, if the public found out that most of their fears about nuclear waste, war and bombs were created by lies, they'd be as angry as many are about the NSA's massive abuses of power.

It would be a paradigm shifter that would relax the entire planet if nuclear waste and contamination were no longer a problem. I'd welcome that new reality with open arms.

While there is obvious and proven dangers from the nuclear radiation we're exposed to, that doesn't exclude the possibility that solutions are already known and are not being applied for the good of all. Those who are not releasing solutions for use in the world have the most to gain from keeping it secret (money and power) and the most to lose (poverty, prison and death) if the world caught on to another layer of their institutionalized crimes against humanity.

[onawah]

Carmody's post here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68422-Fukushima-radioactive-waste-water-treatment-technique&p=796556&viewfull=1#post796556
reads as follows:
Fukushima radioactive waste water treatment technique:

This SHOULD work, and work well. The experiment merely needs to be done. Apologies for taking so long for this to form itself properly in the back of my noggin, it finally fell out in complete form, today.

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Take about a 1:1 ratio of microscopic iron, and microscopic aluminum. Mix the powders together. If mixing the powders together is a problem..which it will be...mix it into water, each component at a time, into water. maybe 10:1 with water, have the micro iron and the micro aluminum mix thoroughly in the water. Then fully dilute into maybe 100:1 via mass.

100kg of water, 1-2-3 kg of 1:1 micro aluminum/micro iron mix. It has to be micro, or better (finer particles), so it suspends in the water. Basically, you want nano aluminum and nano iron in the water, down to the chemical dispersion level. Together, in the water, at the molecular level.

Pour this into a mixture of the radioactive water. About 100kg of rad waste water, per 100 kg of water/iron/aluminum mix. (total mass of the mix is now 202kg (approx)

Run a Rhodes gas flame (aka :"brown's gas", aka "HHO gas") THROUGH the radioactive water. Repeatedly. Over and over. Repeatedly, in a continual run, ie, maybe 3-4-5 runs through.

This will require a maybe 4000L/Hr browns gas generator. You want lots of browns gas 'flame' bubbling through the mixture, lots of browns gas reacting with the water. The water will not heat up, it will not even boil, it will not reach 100 degrees Celsius.

Measure the residual radiation after a few cycles. Fine tune the mixtures and technique.

The radiation should drop to near unmeasurable levels.

That's the recipe for decontaminating the radioactive waste water.

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Scale it up, for a few million dollars... and in a few months, all of that radioactive waste water should be treated, and have zero residual radiation.

Another potential way to do it, is to put the micro aluminum and the micro iron mix in the water and go for Ultrasonic cavitation, micro implosions in the water, which are electrical, and same-same as the brown's gas effect, in this case.

This mess has been solvable for a LONG time, ways of doing so have been known long before this mess even began. I'm sure that the black parts of certain governments know better ways than this.

Please understand that the technique of radiation reduction via brown's gas and aluminum/iron powders..was proven conclusively by the official Canadian government offices and official representatives of said outfit...at Chalk River Laboratories, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalk_River_Laboratories at the town of Chalk River. The video tape of it being done is available on the internet.

This proposed technique, is a modification of their 'tested and found to be effective' technique. The Chalk River Labs did not find or discover the original radiation reduction technique, it was brought them ...and they conducted official works based on it.

it makes you wonder.....

(I personally own a 1600L/Hr browns gas generator and have played with similar techniques, but not radiation issues. I'm not talking out of an uneducated and uninformed butt here, my understandings are real, and my experience is direct and hands on.)

Please repost anywhere you can think of, get this message out there.

[Baby Steps]

Would thorium reactors be less expensive and safer than say, solar energy?
Doesn't it make more sense to have our energy sources in each home and building instead of owned by corporations?
There has always been so much corruption and politics involved with utility companies.
Look at what happened with Tesla's inventions when JP Morgan realized how they could destroy huge profits for greedy millionaires!
It seems to me there are many more advantages to developing cheaper, safer things like solar panels and putting them in all new buildings, and providing incentives for their use in older buildings, and that is beginning to happen.
They may not be ideal, but at least a stopgap until safe free energy devices become available and affordable for individual consumers.
Solar seems to be one good way to help eventually dismantle the big utility companies, and once their power to continue monopolizing energy is gone, it should be easier to develop free energy technology for the public.

Ad for DNA's wondering why TPTB might be wanting to demonize nuclear plants now, perhaps it's simply because some of them are finally realizing that even their DUMBS may not be impervious to the deteriorating plants and all the waste they have created and will continue to create as long as they are operational.

The advantages of Thorium Molten Salt Reactors are:
- A fraction of the waste - and much lower Half-life
- No Fissile material by-products
- No pressurised container
- Inherently safe
- Runs critically- the more heat you remove, the more it produces and vice versa (due to thermal expansion & contraction of molten salt medium)
- Runs on relatively cheap & plentiful Thorium
- Can be small and modular

The economics of such things are not fully worked out yet, but the technology is 50 years old. There is a place for safe nuclear alongside renewables . Renewables are still more expensive but getting better, but their sporadic nature is the problem, and any form of storage, such as batteries is VERY expensive. So for industrial applications where a reliable base power is required, renewables so far do not fit the bill.

Small modular thorium reactors can be placed at industrial sites. This minimises transmission wastage and allows for reactor waste heat to be used, increasing efficiency. But do not fall for memes like 'Denmark went fully renewable yesterday'. This depends on a massive infrastructure to distribute excess power, AND bring it in when there are gaps. In the case of Denmark, it is Germany that performs this role.

The German renewable policy has been a disaster. Huge infrastructure cost to move sporadic northern wind power to where it is needed, and the same in the south with Solar. Due to the intermittent nature, huge power generating capacity is held in reserve (brown coal plants and Nuclear) to plug the gaps. Power prices are high, so, to retain high volume industrial customers in the country, subsidies are given, paid for by other consumers. NOT GOOD.

A friend recently moved to Houston from Paris. He said it was amazing to hear the constant buzzing from every house of the air conditioning and pool machines that they all have. THAT is a candidate for local solar power installation. Surely.

[Bill Ryan]

An update on the topic of this thread,copied from Ravenlocke (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?8767-Ravenlocke)'s new post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113363-BREAKING-NEWS-Continuously-Updated&p=1599437&viewfull=1#post1599437):


Text:

The concentration of radioactive substances in the water that leaked from the Fukushima-1 Nuclear Power Plant amounts to 22 billion becquerels with 1,500 becquerels being the maximum allowable limit, the Asahi newspaper said:
https://vk.cc/curS7R
https://x.com/tassagency_en/status/1755231508581773507

1755231508581773507

[Satori]

An update on the topic of this thread,copied from Ravenlocke (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?8767-Ravenlocke)'s new post here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113363-BREAKING-NEWS-Continuously-Updated&p=1599437&viewfull=1#post1599437):


Text:

The concentration of radioactive substances in the water that leaked from the Fukushima-1 Nuclear Power Plant amounts to 22 billion becquerels with 1,500 becquerels being the maximum allowable limit, the Asahi newspaper said:
https://vk.cc/curS7R
https://x.com/tassagency_en/status/1755231508581773507

1755231508581773507

Unfortunately, to talk about this subject causes many people to yawn. It’s old news, they think. Nothing to worry about. Wrong! There’s so much people are not being told. Not just about Fukushima, but everything that matters to our health, safety and wellbeing.