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Vektor

25th April 2016, 21:12

joeecho

25th April 2016, 22:22

So would this also mean no leaders to lead this endeavor?

No countries no leaders, right?

If there is going to be a paradigm shift, it needs to be complete otherwise it is just the same package wrapped with a new bow.

DNA

25th April 2016, 22:38

Dude I believe this is referred to as the new world order.
Soooo just throwing this out there but most folks consider this a bad idea.
Just saying.

Agape

25th April 2016, 23:43

You know the answer already . As long as it takes for everyone to be friends , naturally .
Till there will be people who will insist on wrong ideologies and insist that 'being human' means to be in war with other humans , tribes , nations and countless other differences
and the idea of unity and brotherhood will continue to be mistaken for some 'nwo' forceful threat of divided, genetically enhanced human program in hands of few controllers ,
there won't be peace .

The time=line is in human hands , totally . Future is not written in stone ..that's how we discern 'future' . It's not yet . And maybe , it never comes . But something else, new and marvellous is going to happen .

Peace :angel:

Deega

26th April 2016, 00:05

Vektor, a warm welcome to AF, I wish you a Wonderful Spiritual and Scientific Journey here!

May you share the philosophy of Modern Age Realists?, and how do you see this philosophy being implanted?

Thanks

Kindred

26th April 2016, 00:26

It COULD happen 'In the blink of an eye'....

And... It 'would last a thousand years'

IF WE WANT IT.

In Unity, Peace and Love

ceetee9

26th April 2016, 00:48

shaberon

26th April 2016, 02:11

I think that some form of nationalism is valid. Not so much the kind that attacks neighbors for some territory, but the kind that takes pride in and preserves culture. Removing borders might tend to erase that. Miscegenation wipes out cultures the same as violence.

There's also an enigma that governments, lousy as they may be, can offer us some protection from other citizens. Sadly, there are still plenty of regular people who will continue to commit all sorts of crimes unless stopped. It's not just the rich and powerful. Dangerous individuals and gangs are everywhere.

I definitely support a paradigm shift but at the same time, I require a structure to administer justice.

TargeT

26th April 2016, 02:55

Dude I believe this is referred to as the new world order.
Soooo just throwing this out there but most folks consider this a bad idea.
Just saying.

careful, remember the MO of the baddies... take something good and corrupt it.

Honestly, most of their goals SHOULD be our goals, but they approach it in a manner that is unacceptable, but only due to their twisted implementation of it.

I think nationalism is a disease.. it shouldn't matter where you are from on this planet, I'm ok with "planetism" for now (only because I question the existence of other planetary visitors).

I don't think this one is cut and dry (like basically evrything).

Ciaran

26th April 2016, 10:58

It can happen but it will be a slow process, the structures that have been in place for years to control us must be dismantled, but in a way that the sheep can digest it without freaking out and seeking a new leader to save them from thinking or acting, none of this can take place with the psychopaths in power, as soon as we start jailing these scumbags the better, because they are cowards and as soon as we start scooping these parasites up they will start turning on each other, they will never stop until they get what they want.

justntime2learn

26th April 2016, 14:36

"I Think we could make United Earth if we want to , if humans were no sheeps..."

Many blessings Vektor :)

Perhaps you have identified one of the larger problems ?

http://fiscalbridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/10172717_763306093702190_2577803942052359629_n-e1397576043883.jpg

betoobig

26th April 2016, 15:30

Welcome Vektor!
What a first thread!
Sounds fantastic, could you develope farder? I'l love to hear you. So far Contribucionism by Ubuntu (Michael Tellinger) is the only world wide serious movement .
Looking forward to know more.
Define reality?
Much love

Ewan

26th April 2016, 16:22

Hi Vektor. I think we can approach a planetary wide aspect of togerthness when the majority have passed this stage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB2CNr692RE

Jayren

26th April 2016, 17:06

Who ever is elevated in consciousness enough to make a global effect on all its people is how the world will change. Who ever devotes one life to doing this will achieve a global transformation. Creating a domino effect that cannot be stopped. The one may be sacrificed for the good of all but then again he or she would live on forever. Nothing is for sure, but it all starts with a dream, a will to keep going to not settle for less but to give more to your people to see a world like how we would all like to see it.

Innocent Warrior

26th April 2016, 17:44

Hi Vektor, welcome.

Great answer here -

Ewan wrote:

Hi Vektor. I think we can approach a planetary wide aspect of togerthness when the majority have passed this stage.

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB2CNr692RE

To answer your question about what the chances are, I'm going with 100%. Whether it's the effect of unity or being herded is up to each and every one of us as individuals.

Vektor

26th April 2016, 18:17

WhiteLove

26th April 2016, 18:21

Greetings World

We are Modern Age Realists

Our goal is to spread the truth , to end the evil reign of illusions that are separating us , illusions like nations , boarders , racism , religion , nationalism. Modern Age Realism is more than an idea , more than a movement. It is a state of mind where one can see the reality as it really is. Than a person is able to see the difference between the reality and illusion , to understand what is a lie and what is the truth, to be able to see the difference between good and evil and to see real virtues.

We have a question for you.

WHAT DO YOU THINK WHAT CHANCE IS THERE FOR EARTH TO UNITE? By Unite i mean no nations , religions , boarders ...

I Think we could make United Earth if we want to , if humans were no sheeps...

HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE AND HOW LONG WOULD IT LAST?

It would go very fast and last forever. Once peace is achieved there is nobody that wants anything heavier, with peace comes unlimitation and freedom and that is something people would never ever want to lose again. Once you are in that state of being you feel complete. So it would be written in stone. And that is only the beginning at that point. Life from that point would be like a summer breeze, like a constant inner echo of happiness. Why? Because everything explodes in beauty, perfectness, synchronicity and love. The being in the state of that level of truth, is like that. It is an emotional depth beyond your wildest imagination. It is like a small child holding strongly to its parent when it is scared, the inner emotional grip onto the truth is similar to that. In that state of being, with that level of clear and true emotion that you have found you do everything not to lose that again. Then after that comes the time of "falling into love", which is when you let go of the grip, you are free, forever.

Earth has a vibration. When the people reaches peace, everything changes because the earth's vibration changes as a result of that peace. Although it looks similar to this earth, it feels very different, because the whole vibration is "slower" - in peace. You are light, like a child. And it is as if the whole earth "sings", not winds of air, winds of peace, it is a very soft fresh warm and beautiful type of experience. It is just that it is beyond that in a way that cannot be described. The truth unlocks the consciousness in ways you've never experienced before. In a dense reality where peace has not fully manifested yet, the consciousness is wrapped inside of lies, it's as if your senses are blocked without you being aware of it.

Innocent Warrior

26th April 2016, 19:48

We are imagining a world of apsolute unity , no nation doesnt mean no leaders. Every world need leaders. United World Council

How's that going to work with people like me who don't want leaders, how is that unity? Teachers - fine, guides - cool, elders - great, but leaders - no thanks. There's not a human in existence, who believes we need to be lead, who I trust for that position.

where there would be a representators of every race of humans

Um...we're all the one race.

:shielddeflect:

shaberon

26th April 2016, 19:58

It's very much an age-old problem.

I would not doubt for a second that those who seek peace and enlightenment are already united, and have always been so. Why are they dominated? Our challenge is to conquer the world, not by force but from within.

There are ancient institutions already established for this purpose, such as Buddhist sangha and Craft Masonry. There are others who are perhaps more effective by being focused on small areas. In the physical world it comes down to issues of property and agricultural surplus. How do you deal with stateless people such as Roma or Roshyinga? How do you address natural famine?

I think before attempting to resolve the "planetary system", it would behoove us to establish small, independent, self-sustaining communities, such as the Amish. If I don't agree with their religion, it's not my place to take it away, nor to discriminate against them in any way. In order to not be a hypocrite, I have to fully support their right to do whatever they want. If they were committing crimes it would be different, but for the past few hundred years, I don't see a major problem with Amish crime.

Can't achieve the same thing with a general mass of people in a given area. There is no culture, no ability to self-sustain, most of them are itching for an excuse to kill off the other, on a personal level. I don't know of any fast remedy for this. It may be different in your local area, but whether in this "melting pot", or in the fairly homogeneous cities of China, ordinary people are quite vicious.

The existing form of the United Nations might be fine, if its policies were totally re-written and major institutions such as the I. M. F. were abolished. One thing that inspires me is that the crowd who either started the deception intentionally, or blindly followed as participants, is starting to die off. Of course, it pulls in new recruits constantly, but the more it is exposed the better. Quit funding it. Quit paying taxes into the system. Boycott everything related to it. Look to the seven or eight remaining countries not under its heel. They may be quite draconian towards their own citizens; but I can see how that may be necessary for their independent survival.

DNA

26th April 2016, 20:29

Dude I believe this is referred to as the new world order.
Soooo just throwing this out there but most folks consider this a bad idea.
Just saying.

careful, remember the MO of the baddies... take something good and corrupt it.

Joseph Stalin did a pretty good job of that. I'm afraid all movements that hope to centralize some kind of world think are doomed to be corrupted by someone who sees the opportunity. I wish it wasn't the case, but I'm a student of human nature and I just do not see this ending anytime soon.

Honestly, most of their goals SHOULD be our goals, but they approach it in a manner that is unacceptable, but only due to their twisted implementation of it.

I think nationalism is a disease.. it shouldn't matter where you are from on this planet, I'm ok with "planetism" for now (only because I question the existence of other planetary visitors).

I don't think this one is cut and dry (like basically evrything).

That Nationalism part sounded like something Bill Hicks would say. He is my hero as he is many other's hero as well.
I'm not big on Nationalism either, but I'm even more against the idea of the world being governed under a single centralized government.
The centralization of power is the root of all evil in my opinion.

It is a nice dream, but there will always be somebody there to mess it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST86JM1RPl0
ST86JM1RPl0

Vektor

26th April 2016, 20:44

If the way of Unity is without a leader , then let it be.

Eram

26th April 2016, 21:04

I think nationalism is a disease.

Not necessarily.
It all depends on what form it takes.

When in balance:

I think that some form of nationalism is valid. Not so much the kind that attacks neighbors for some territory, but the kind that takes pride in and preserves culture.

When out of balance and becoming an outlet for existential fears, it can become a monster.

In any case, nationalism is inevitable and a natural element of the human condition.

kirolak

26th April 2016, 21:27

TargeT, you have hit the nail on the thumb - nationalism IS a disease, along with speciesism, racism, & all other -isms. . . well expressed! :clapping:

As long as "we" see ourselves as separate from "them", or better than "them", or more or even LESS than "them", there will be discord. . . . . ego & or bodily identification seem to be the root of all 3D problems.

If one succeeds in dehumanizing or de-conscientizing any other Being, it is that much easier to destroy them, denigrate them, or disregard their sentient awareness. . . . & "the death of any being diminishes us all" (can't remember source of quote)

Yet it is not the private, personal death , but a public, violent, invasive act that seeks to victimize, humiliate & hurt. . . . .

What do we identify with? And why? Seem to be very valid questions (to be answered in private meditation, not public debate), & something we should all wrestle with in the caves of our secret selves.

Vektor

26th April 2016, 22:06

From a sector where I come from , nationalism is at its highest stage ... it is very hard to fight against it , because people are like sheeps ( no insult to the species ). They follow blind leaders and most of them will die for that illusion... But it is worth fighting it

shaberon

27th April 2016, 04:15

TargeT, you have hit the nail on the thumb - nationalism IS a disease, along with speciesism, racism, & all other -isms. . . well expressed!

I tend to think "-isms" are a disease--for completely different reasons. In that mostly, there isn't even really such a thing. I would say they are blanket terms which hide the full details of a much more complex situation.

Convenient labels to push buttons, stoke anger and fear.

Just call someone a racist and then everyone will line up taking sides! Discarding that person. The best they can do is waste a bunch of time trying to shrug it off. The other side denounces them, ignores and buries the issues which will just come up again later.

For example, if we look at the last absolute monarchy to establish a constitution, Bhutan. This kingdom had and continues to have policies to repress and deport people that are not of Bhutanese nationality--Bhutanese heritage and culture. It won't accomplish much to call them racists, nationalists, etc., beyond the aforementioned. Now as to why the Nepalis and Indians may have trouble being received amongst their own nations versus why try to stay in a sovereign country without assimilating, you may start getting to issues that can be identified and dealt with--chances are, most of that is related to property.

To use the U. N. to mandate "multi-culturalism" upon Bhutan, or to wage an economic war against the sovereign, seems to me to be a misuse of its powers.

Davidallany

27th April 2016, 04:26

Hi Vektor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?29868-Vektor),
There are barriers in the way of a united earth. Some of these barriers are our own human frailties, vanity, physical and mental limitations. Too much emotions is in the way and these emotions are mishandled and misused due to family education, religion and society influence.
In my opinion there is a definite hope but as you know things take time and important things take even more time and testing. I thin 10,000 years would do the trick. I think that we humans need another 10,000 years to mature, unless there is outside interference Alien or otherwise in form of Genetic manipulations or cyborg enhancements or both in which case I think it will be a matter of generations before getting positive results. 5 generations is enough.

Justplain

27th April 2016, 23:43

Hi Vektor, i would tend to think that in order for a true global utopia to exist, the world's human consciousness would have to collectively be raised. In order to overcome organizational logistics, overpopulaion and supply shortages, people would need to have greater spiritual/psychological connection. Telepathy would probably be needed. Zero point energy would be needed for sustainable independent cummunities to flourish. Corporations would probably not be allowed to exist because of their self serving nature.

All this being said, how would we get there from here. Probably start by reducing the size of corporations, outlawing war, promoting sustainable lifestyles in each region, such as growing your own food, medicine and developing local cottage industries that provide for local needs, such as Ghandi promoted in India. Hi tech efforts would have to be organized differently and not be beholden to corporate fascist interests. Education should be revised to develop spiritual and academic skills, much like Yoganada's Ranchi schools, where telepathic skills, etc. could be honed.

Creating a new global society would be an arduous task, though a well worth endeavour.

EvoAwa

28th April 2016, 02:19

A united Earth can only happen if majority of people on this planet come to realize (on their own and from their own heart) and clearly understand that:

-we live on a tiny planet called Earth located in a solar system known as the Sol system spinning and moving through our infinite universe---> instead of just only looking horizontally and at their feet

-we are all part of the same human family and it does not matter what we look like, etc (since vanity is rampant these days)

-reincarnation is real (we have been everything living things and every kind of sentient beings)

-we live forever and don’t just live one life

-we first have to be responsible for ourselves and our actions (and an upright citizen) and not blame others if there is a problem

-unconditional and universal love is very important and we should not only concentrate on the physical aspect of love

-we cannot take away our wealth, physical body, etc when we move on to the next life

-etc

…Unfortunate majority of the people only care about what they can see and what they can accumulate physically (Sex, Money and Status)…
Even when I talk to my close families, friends, and acquaintances (from all races and cultures): majority of them do not care about life after death, ETs, (they do not care about it and don’t want to have any serious discussion about it or they simply just say it point blank that these things are not important to them). They just care about earning a six figure salary and buy fancy cars and go on expansive vacations…:facepalm:

And if they are religious, they only pray that they when they die, the heavenly door will be open for them and they will be let into God’s Heavenly Utopian kingdom (which I think is stupid, because we should actually make our physical life close to an utopian society, instead of waiting until we are dead)…:facepalm:

Anyways, to speed up the process of a United Close to Utopian freedom type of Earth Society (that we all envisioned), we first have to be what we preach and try to not give up, even though is very hard being here… :Angel:

It is hard to stand on my own two feet these days, since I just graduated university and in the process of job search (and is hard for the recent graduate to find jobs these days, doesn’t matter where you are at on the planet)… I have to feed myself and it is very hard. 
From what I seen from friends of all walks of life, majority of the jobs are in Finance and Investment (that directly deal with money), CS (AI type and coding etc), and Medical Industry (I prefer natural remedies and holistic, energetic if possible)… it is very sad and that all the “conventionally smart, good test taker” folks that I personally know are working in these type of industries… they are good, normal people that are very nice and kind, but they are just simply “sheepeople” who just follow the herd and don’t care about anything else…:silent:

On the outside, I might seem like everything is fine and I have a ok good life… but deep down I am not satisfy with Earthly life at all, seems like there are lots of restrictions (for examples: if I want to go to another country I need VISA and TAX forms my parents tell me to fill out, because I need to practice how to fill them out)... I am ok with doing sixty pages of final reports and three hours of final exams, which I am OK with it, because unfortunately this is how the educational systems in university work… But sadly, students will forget most of what they learned (due to our short memory span) and the only things I think is helpful are actually the hands-on laboratory work and interactive group analysis…

Sorry for the long post… I am still trying to be positive and will try to live on Earth for another eighty-some years… :happy dog:

shaberon

28th April 2016, 03:15

It is hard to stand on my own two feet these days, since I just graduated university and in the process of job search (and is hard for the recent graduate to find jobs these days, doesn’t matter where you are at on the planet)… I have to feed myself and it is very hard. 
From what I seen from friends of all walks of life, majority of the jobs are in Finance and Investment (that directly deal with money), CS (AI type and coding etc), and Medical Industry (I prefer natural remedies and holistic, energetic if possible)… it is very sad and that all the “conventionally smart, good test taker” folks that I personally know are working in these type of industries… they are good, normal people that are very nice and kind, but they are just simply “sheepeople” who just follow the herd and don’t care about anything else…:silent:

There's the rub. We can be pretty well united, mentally, but what it comes down to is that--you and I will be struggling for the same piece of pie.

Finance Industry: a bunch of voodoo that renders us into this helpless state.

Those other "growth sectors" you mentioned are also basically non-productive. In that a human being can have a full, complete life without computers or robots, which would probably be of greater quality without vaccines, drugs or surgery.

Is not the Earth--the land and our harmony with it? Yet I was a surplus, expendable person from day one.

Vektor

28th April 2016, 13:25

Well important thing is that there is an idea ... some time in future , it will be realised we hope

shaberon

28th April 2016, 21:34

I was sitting here hoping for unity, and my military went and blasted Yugoslavia to pieces.

It would help us to know, from an insider's point of view, what are the situations that lead to problems in the area? There obviously are some people who were pretty serious about fighting before we came and overpowered it.

Our government always lies and is out of control, and about all I can suggest to outsiders is to not use dollars, follow Hungary's example and kick out the I. M. F., leave NATO, and get rid of any similar institutions because they will take over your press and steal your land. It will look a little different than the way Communist dictators did it, but it will be basically the same thing.

Starseed

30th April 2016, 05:27

We are imagining a world of apsolute unity , no nation doesnt mean no leaders. Every world need leaders. United World Council , where there would be a representators of every race of humans , which will prevent racism. This is one solution but if that time comes we will be able to make maybe a better decision who our leaders would be. Important thing is that our leader must be the one whose idea is same as the idea of United Earth ... same goal , to fight against corrupt and against illusions that are surounding us today.

Thank you Vektor for this post. For what I know of the future, liberating us from everything that society taught us is through total collapse. An Earth cataclysm followed by an alien invasion would certainly rally the human race when billions would be exterminated for total domination. Thankfully to Earth changes, humans' salvation resides in elevating their souls to 4th and 5th densities. There is hope at the end of this dark tunnel.

ozmirage

30th April 2016, 07:11

Based on the number of nations that adopted a republican form, I would say that there's ZERO chance of a "United Earth" based on justice, reason and common sense. Or the concept that all men have inherent rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership, which are not at the mercy of a majority vote, nor government.

CD7

4th May 2016, 02:35

HIGH chances for Earth to Unite......ORCHESTRATING IT is the issue. THERE ARE MORE THEN ENOUGH ANGRY BEES IN THE NEST---Unification would be a breeze with the right draft setting the fire Ablaze. It could All change in ONE day.

Certain events could change things very rapidly.......the petty repetitive drum beats happening over the years from many has already made some waves

thunder24

4th May 2016, 03:06

YOu can not take away a family unit as of now, thus you can not take away community as of now, thus you can not take away expanded unity which some call statehood or nationalism... To get a unified world is much like is portrayed in united states of our unified founding.... Nations unified together as one, saying "NO MORE".... Community or village it takes to raise a child and take care of each other... so a unified world is great, but until you find your self in a community of agreement you can not expect a world to be unified...it starts at "your" center. When We as a whole take that stance we can so "no more" to that which keeps us divided. But if those around you can't agree how can we expect those on the other side of the globe to say " we agree"?!?!?!?!