Putin/Russian Parliament, Daring White Hat "Enemies of the NWO", Propose 7 year jail sentences for Bitcoin ownership...

[Daozen]

I saw this posted in a discussion. I think it warrants its own thread. Sorry if it's been posted before. I searched and found nothing.





"For regular citizens who casually use bitcoin, the penalty is 500,000 rubles ($7,800 USD) or 4 years in jail;"

Russia + Bitcoin

I know it's mainly the Russian parliament proposing these laws, but where is Putin, "our man on the inside" when Russia's young people need him to help the economy?

Answer: Nowhere to be seen. Now young Russians can go to jail for experimenting with cryptocurrencies. Deciding on our own monetary system is our God given right. So why are the Russian parliament trying to stop BTC?

????

Who will save the day as this new Bitcoin legislation threatens to strangle Russia? Where are the white hats that the in-the-know intel-jockeys yearn for? Perhaps Vlad the bear rider will burst in to the Duma, knife between his teeth, and nix the legislation with a single stroke of his skull-embossed pen, right at the last minute... but I doubt it.

As many of us have been saying for a while, the Putin-on-a-Unicorn narrative is a bait and switch sedation tactic, just like the Obama saviour meme of 8 years ago. In my view, Putin is a manufactured messiah. I have nothing personal against him, and actually liked his style a few years back, but we have to build our own destiny down here.

"The easy path is the hardest."

Putin doesn't even exist any more, as a Google image search for -Putin Earlobe Clone- will prove beyond reasonable doubt.

The removal of Putin from The Game is one of the biggest clandestine white hat operations ever carried out. I have no idea how it was done, when, or by whom. Logical deduction and observation shows me that Putin 2016 is not the Putin of yore. But... "they" are intent on keeping his spectre alive.

Earlobes and legislation don't lie.

http://qz.com/672780/russia-is-considering-legislation-that-would-send-bitcoin-users-to-jail-for-up-to-7-years/


Are you an avid bitcoin user in Russia? If so, you could end up in jail.
The Russian Finance Ministry is preparing to introduce legislation next month that would fine and jail digital currency users, according to Bloomberg. The legislation, which was amended last month, has multiple tiers of penalties depending on the person’s usage, according to Interfax, a Russian news agency. For regular citizens who casually use bitcoin, the penalty is 500,000 rubles ($7,800 USD) or 4 years in jail; for organized groups, like bitcoin miners who confirm transactions on the network, it’s 1 million rubles ($15,500 USD) or 6 years in prison; executives or managers of financial institutions would face a fine of up to 2.5 million ruble ($38,000 USD) or up to 7 years in jail.users-to-jail-for-up-to-7-years.

The more we believe gossamer NSA daydreams, the longer we stay stuck as a collective

Apologists, you have the floor.


:raining:

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Theyre maybe trying to sure up areas of economic manipulation from the west. We'll screw that economy over any way we can

[Bill Ryan]

I saw this posted in a discussion. I think it warrants its own thread. Sorry if it's been posted before. I searched and found nothing.



Just for reference only, Paul mentioned it here, post #2 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89512-A-fundamental-human-right-To-transact-money-anonymously-physically-off-the-grid-.&p=1054361&viewfull=1#post1054361) on this thread:
A fundamental human right: To transact money anonymously, physically, "off the grid". (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89512-A-fundamental-human-right-To-transact-money-anonymously-physically-off-the-grid-.)

He wrote (on 19 March):






The European Union is already threatening this right:

No Anonymous Option for European Bitcoin Users (http://www.altcointoday.com/no-anonymous-option-european-bitcoin-users/)
EU clamps down on bitcoin, anonymous payments to curb terrorism funding (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119)

Russia already made use of Bitcoin a crime earlier this year:

Putin Advisor: Accepting Bitcoin Payments in Russia is a Crime (http://www.coindesk.com/receiving-bitcoin-payments-is-a-crime-says-russian-presidential-advisor/).

In the above cases, people still have paper Euro or Ruble notes, so their human right to transact money anonymously, physically, "off the grid", is not yet abolished.

Not yet ...

[ThePythonicCow]

I know it's mainly the Russian parliament proposing these laws, but where is Putin, "our man on the inside" when Russia's young people need him to help the economy?
My (wild) guess is that Bitcoin and related crypto currencies are some side gambit of the Rothschild Bankster cabal, and that Russia coming down hard on Bitcoin is a visible result of some blocking and tackling going on behind the scenes, between the various dominant families, societies and institutions in the world.

I haven't a good clue as to who really benefits from this, or who might have actually been behind this ... however, since the European Union is showing a similar distaste for Bitcoin, it seems possible to me that the Rothschild's and associates are behind the scenes here, even of the Russian parliament proposals.

On the other hand, from Putin's remarks here (http://www.coindesk.com/russian-president-vladimir-putin-addresses-bitcoin/), he stands for money that is "backed" by something ... such as, I presume, that gold that Russia and China are stockpiling. Perhaps he sees the hidden hand of the Rothschild's behind Bitcoin, and is reacting to that.


As many of us have been saying for a while, the Putin-on-a-Unicorn narrative is a bait and switch sedation tactic, just like the Obama saviour meme of 8 years ago. In my view, Putin is a manufactured messiah. I have nothing personal against him, and actually liked his style a few years back, but we have to build our own destiny down here.
Likely so ... though I find it difficult to avoid cheering for Putin. It's rather as if my community had been under the brutal control of one Mafia family for a long time, and now another Mafia family is coming in and kicking butt. It will be good to see the old bastards kicked out, even if the new bastards turn out to be just as dastardly.

[gripreaper]

Of course the bastards would like it if all of us would submit to the corporate statutory slave system and only expend our energy within the very narrow guidelines of this statutory citizenship, within the surveillance and control of those who laid claim to the earth as interlopers, and have no business holding the full heritage of this planet in abeyance from all of us indigenous souls who agreed to come here and experience this density in a body.

Some of us have had enough of this game, and would prefer not to be part of this slave system, to revoke any corporate citizenship and give up on any benefits and privileges which might be offered for such citizenship, and go their merry way and take their chances on the outside of the corporate plantations and reservations.

Some have speculated that the debt based medium of exchange needs to collapse as it can only survive through exponential growth and the addition of more slaves willing to support it, and that withdrawal would eventually bring it down, but I digress. Others have speculated that it would take the military to stand with the people, as they are the only organization with enough power to go up against the alleged owners of planet earth.

I refer the the movie "Avatar" which collectively the souls of that planet finally got together and went up against the elite and kicked them off the planet. More and more the polarities are becoming agitated and consciousness is being asked to choose.

Choose wisely.

[shaberon]

They may scrub Bitcoin if they so choose. Other countries have meddled with their internal affairs for a long time, and I have a healthy respect for a good purge on all levels.

I never recognized any form of Obama saviorism; it was just marketing targeted at exuberant naivete', which made me ill so I had to tune out.

It seems physically obvious that Russia is the bridge for East-West rapprochement, and behaviorally demonstrated that they do not seek to dominate the world and do not like the Western financial-political machinations, which neither do I. That's enough; I would never accept any kind of messiah, but I can accept that people are not inherently enemies or threats.

Threatens to strangle Russia? Have they not been--demolished by France; demolished by Germany; demolished by foreign-backed Communism? The fact that there is anything left to work with, suggests to me that their opinion towards crypto currency might be quite valid.

Russian military deployment in Syria operates bakeries 24 hours a day, producing fresh bread from Russian organic wheat. I cannot afford to consume a similar product made by a family down the street.

[diazbeat]

The only thing I know is that Soros is very active trying to destroy Europe. Is it one of his ideas to destroy Russia?

[Redstar Kachina]

Putin is no friend of humanity.

[Sierra]

It's the taxes. Governments can't tax transactions they can't see.

[Daozen]

Thanks for the interesting replies all. So many things to think about for a Sunday morning...

Paul, I agree that there are many subtleties involved, and there may be one faction that wants Bitcoin to be world currency. I have casually deduced/remote viewed daydreamed/ that Goldman Sachs and friends have a bitcoin miner working in their basement, or in a warehouse in China somewhere. The only thing that will work is currency diversity. This is about our right to choose and experiment. I think they are threatened by the non-fiat 21 million coin hard limit on BTC, as it exposes their infinite money scam.

"Putin" may have his opinion on what constitutes money, but I think he should just back off and let people innovate in peace. Paternalistic intervention, especially with jail terms, helps no one. I think the hidden banking houses took over Russia during the Bolshevik revolution.

I'm 100 percent sure the East are stockpiling gold now.

Bill, I have always been a fan of cash, and want it to continue. We just need to stop wildly printing it, and have it backed by physical commodities with no fractional reserve/fiat lending. This is what leads to poverty, as most of us know. The more cash they print, the more our labour and food becomes devalued.

I did find that mention by Paul, I should've linked to it in the thread. I just could not resist the opportunity to wind up our resident Putinists with that thread title. News like this should be front page in the alt media.

Grip Reaper, I guess we are halfway to Star Trek. We could build a low tech Avatar city with hydroponic gardens, bamboo tree houses and natural light even now. I'm surprised no one has done that yet. It would only take one bright spark to prove the concept


It seems physically obvious that Russia is the bridge for East-West rapprochement, and behaviorally demonstrated that they do not seek to dominate the world and do not like the Western financial-political machinations, which neither do I. That's enough; I would never accept any kind of messiah, but I can accept that people are not inherently enemies or threats.

Im sure the *people* of Russia will play a great part in the Renaissance. Just like Brazil, India, China, and many other up and coming countries. But why do we need these parasitic governments stealing billions from the economy? Brazil is a hotbed of innovation, but they have showed they want their "leader" out. Governments need to be reduced in size by 98 percent, or completely done away with. All we need is a few clerks to help get the bins collected on time. The free market could perform every other societal function, 100 times more efficiently.





Russian military deployment in Syria operates bakeries 24 hours a day, producing fresh bread from Russian organic wheat. I cannot afford to consume a similar product made by a family down the street.

Bread n Bombs. What a wonderful planet we live on.

[AndrejPeĉënkin]

Dear Daozen, you're damn right, thank you for your post. As a citizen or the Russian Federation, having witnessed the guy for all his 16 years in power, I have no doubts he is just a NWO puppet playing his role and having the whole country as hostage.

[Daozen]

Dear Daozen, you're damn right, thank you for your post. As a citizen or the Russian Federation, having witnessed the guy for all his 16 years in power, I have no doubts he is just a NWO puppet playing his role and having the whole country as hostage.

Awesome. A real live Russian enters the thread... I have a few questions for any proud subject of Putin that has time to answer. I was wondering this morning, is it OK to trash Putin on blogs, forums, and discussion forums, or are people scared? How widespread is the belief that Putin is a double, and the real Putin is dead? I remember his ex-wife said he had died.

OK last question, sorry to be annoying: What do you think Putin's real approval rating is, what percentage of Russians actually believe the Putin superhero narrative? On youtube video comments here, we hear that he's got an 80 percent approval rating, but I suspect that's not true.

[AndrejPeĉënkin]

Awesome. A real live Russian enters the thread... I have a few questions for any proud subject of Putin that has time to answer. I was wondering this morning, is it OK to trash Putin on blogs, forums, and discussion forums, or are people scared? How widespread is the belief that Putin is a double, and the real Putin is dead? I remember his ex-wife said he had died.

OK last question, sorry to be annoying: What do you think Putin's real approval rating is, what percentage of Russians actually believe the Putin superhero narrative? On youtube video comments here, we hear that he's got an 80 percent approval rating, but I suspect that's not true.

That who understands does not spare words to trash the guy. Some are scared, it's true. Very many are ignorant and apathetic. "Official" pubic opinion surveys say "86%" (or so) support Putin, which is in an amazing contraction with the fact that the rallies in support of the official Putin's policy are smaller in numbers and are organized by the authorities (with proven facts that the participants are PAID for the attendance) - if I try to answer your question about the real popularity of the "president".

However, I do confirm that many people "support" Putin, but it is, I am very sad to say, due to the slave character of the people (following a centuries-long tradition of serfdum (especially since the rule of the Czar Peter "the Great" (who, incidentally is seriously believed to be substituted, too, no matter how amusing it may be)), the insane policy of several czars, the submission to social experiments with the so-called Communism etc - resulting in accepting the imperial mind-set, readiness to subdue oneself to any tyrant (through the stick-and-carrot policy), being blind to the actual economic and social problems.

All that notwithstanding, there ARE people who are WAKING UP and CAN SEE THINGS. All depends on EACH AND EVERYONE.

And personally, I have to learn to live with the fact that many 'alternative' thinkers do fall under the false image of this country's 'ruler' and his cabal of thieves and tyrannical manipulators. Either they are ignorant or they are on the payroll, if I may use the mafia term...

INTERESTING TIMES...

I personally do not rule a theory that the current Putin may be a double (like his predecessor Boris Yeltsin of whom there may have been up to four instances - with a particularly obvious change in the appearance in 1996, after the "heart by-pass surgery"). A little off-topically, I suspect that the "feud" between Boris Berezovskiy and Putin was fake, within the context of the first having imposed the latter...

[Daozen]

Thanks for that insight into life in Russia, Andrej. It's hard for most of us to imagine what life is like there. The situation you described may be specific to Russia, but it also accurately depicts life and attitudes from people worldwide. Centuries of serfdom and oppression grinding the population into apathy, yet people are waking up. I never knew that about Yeltsin, I guess ti must be standard practice to take presidents in for an upgrade, or oil change, every few years.

I have definitely noticed public figures acting and looking different after 'surgery'. And then there's these pics. With what we know about human cloning becoming public, it doesn't sound like such a conspiracy theory any more:

http://intellectualconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/vldmptncsr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xxGspTL.jpg

[AndrejPeĉënkin]

Thanks for that insight into life in Russia, Andrej. It's hard for most of us to imagine what life is like there. The situation you described may be specific to Russia, but it also accurately depicts life and attitudes from people worldwide. Centuries of serfdom and oppression grinding the population into apathy, yet people are waking up. I never knew that about Yeltsin, I guess ti must be standard practice to take presidents in for an upgrade, or oil change, every few years.

I have definitely noticed public figures acting and looking different after 'surgery'. And then there's these pics. With what we know about human cloning becoming public, it doesn't sound like such a conspiracy theory any more:

http://intellectualconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/vldmptncsr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xxGspTL.jpg

Well, there has been some or even much talk of cloning - who knows. Anything possible. In the cases of Yeltsin and Putin, it may be a different case - not cloning but just substituting with imposters.

I am glad you do understand the situation with Putin and the related stuff.

[shaberon]

Im sure the *people* of Russia will play a great part in the Renaissance. Just like Brazil, India, China, and many other up and coming countries. But why do we need these parasitic governments stealing billions from the economy? Brazil is a hotbed of innovation, but they have showed they want their "leader" out. Governments need to be reduced in size by 98 percent, or completely done away with. All we need is a few clerks to help get the bins collected on time. The free market could perform every other societal function, 100 times more efficiently.



The Brazil "coup" is another one that probably has a lot to do with foreign intervention. The first thing I am absolutely sick of, is my own country's military interventions, agitations against other governments, private acquisition of foreign property, and acting as the strong arm for UN/IMF to do the same.

For this reason, I respect every other country that resists it. I acknowledge their sovereignty, and when I read in the news foreign policy from such places as Russia, Iran, or Hezbollah, it comes across as what I wish *my* country and its partners were doing.

Their internal affairs, of taxation, or what constitutes a crime, is something I need to leave in their hands; otherwise, I'm essentially doing the same as the US government or IMF. So I am less knowledgeable about those things. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Putin and his administration work mostly towards the benefit of wealthy Russians, and are far less helpful to regular people. Doing that "in house", in my estimation, is superior to being a lapdog of Israel or the British Empire.

Perhaps the Mongolian administration was the most equitable?

Overall I would agree that a massive reduction in government of any kind is the way to go. In Mandean tradition for example, you cannot sell food: if someone needs, you give it to them. But we cannot force all ordinary people to have such high moral integrity; many of them are the total opposite.

[Daozen]

Overall I would agree that a massive reduction in government of any kind is the way to go. In Mandean tradition for example, you cannot sell food: if someone needs, you give it to them. But we cannot force all ordinary people to have such high moral integrity; many of them are the total opposite.

I beleive most humans would love to give food away if it was economically easier to do so. But I agree, you can't force or preach at people to do it. But we can create platforms to help share food, like the programmer in San Francisco who createed an app to stop food wastage.


Their internal affairs, of taxation, or what constitutes a crime, is something I need to leave in their hands; otherwise, I'm essentially doing the same as the US government or IMF. So I am less knowledgeable about those things.

As far as non-interference and sovereignty is concerned, I think the govs are the interfering onces, this is a freedom to innovate issue. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Andre]

The only thing I know is that Soros is very active trying to destroy Europe. Is it one of his ideas to destroy Russia?

Of course Soros is trying to destroy Russia. That has been obvious for several years!

[Daozen]

Shorosh is trying to destroy the whole damned world.

[amor]

Some time ago, I commented on photos shown here of various versions of Putin. The person shown to be in meetings with Pres. Obama is similar to Putin but is not Putin, who is thinner and there are some facial differences. Perhaps he stays in Russia to avoid being assassinated. I had not heard that his ex-wife said he was dead! Because of an article I saw a few years back, I came to the conclusion that people like the Rothschild's put money into Russian industries such as mining, using some Russian front man who is said to have become very rich overnight. You cannot do that in the USA system, never mind in Russia. As for bit coin, I believe that to be an experiment before the chip in the hand. Who would be crazy enough to place their monetary worth on a computer filled with scammers, thieves, and disappearing artists, etc. I won't even do computerized banking.

[syrwong]

In this world of propaganda and disinformation, it is very easy to be confused. Things are turned upside down, and one may see good as evil, and evil as good. How can a leader or a country be judged? You listen to a lot of what he says, and watch his following actions. Make your judgement. All opinions of others on him are irrelevant.

[boutreality]

Putin is Ex KGB, he rose to prominence in Russia post fall of the Soviet union, when Bush I, ex-head of the CIA, was president.

Look into the narrative I drew up (from other sources' work) regarding the entire cold war being a "play east v west" set up -this isn't a new idea, and it is feasible, just not too much interest in talking about it- and tell me that because Wilcock aligns Putin with the Rockefeller's we can trust him.
This is a narrative we are expected to accept- never mind that the Rothschilds are responsible for why anyone knows the Rockefeller name in the first place- rewrite history; give them a hero-let that guy distract while his complicity remains obvious to a few- that's all this is.

Link to Washington Post Article about Putin's KGB past: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/putin.htm

[DbDraad]

Not to mention Henry Kissenger and Putin being old pals. I must say Putin seems to be less of a puppet than the US presidents since RR, but that doesn't make him less connected.