Immortality

[Vektor]

Greetings fellow researchers!

What are your thoughts on immortality , is there a way of getting it and would you getting it?

Immortality could be achieved by fast cell regeneration maybe ...

[uzn]

rumored Immortals:
Fulcanelli, Nicolas Flamel and Saint Germain to name a few.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Frontispice_du_Myst%C3%A8re_des_cath%C3%A9drales.jpg
here some info on Fulcanelli in French:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulcanelli

If one has the tendency to go slightly mad or weird in this short life, then one is most likely to go completely over the Edge with immortality. So choose wisely.
One way of archiving it is through a substance sometimes called the philosopher's stone. It´s not a stone really, it forms as a clump if done right and can be made into a powder. Another way is from inside yourself. But this way requires a big sacrifice. One can use the sexual energy to make oneself immortal. You can still love people but you cannot have sex anymore, otherwise you become mortal again. It was said to be dangerous, but i have not figured out why.

[uzn]

also check out the Babylonian pre-flood Kings list.
for example: "After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years." It say he ruled that long, most likely lived a bit longer. That´s pretty close to immortal ;)
Here is the schoolbook interpretation on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Sumeriankinglist.jpg

[kirolak]

I thought we were immortal, already?

It's just the body that dies & drops off . . . keeping the same old husk patched & glued together doesn't appeal to me at all - there is real freedom in being out of body. & I suspect & hope this will be the next evolutionary step for all physical beings. :star:

[shaberon]

Yes, I take it as an axiom that we...or actually everything...is immortal, steadily moving towards higher forms, assuming you harmonize with nature.

28,800 years is a long lifespan for a human form, but not for others (elementals, minerals, celestials). Pre-flood may refer to archaic races which normally had longer lifespans. The alchemists uzn mentioned, I don't dispute that, but to an extent of about 300 years (maybe more). It's easier if you almost totally quit moving and lower your body temperature by a few degrees; St. Germain probably did this on Himalayan vacations. There is also a yoga I can't quite recall the name of, where a yogi discards his current body and inhabits someone else's freshly discarded one, which saves them from having to go through infancy again. I'm not the one who could put a limit on how many times this could be repeated.

And, there are probably other ways, which contradict nature and so should be forbidden. Not that I actually can forbid it to anyone, but it's better not to talk about.

[Sérénité]

I'm happy for my soul to be immortal, but not my body, in this present incarnation...or any really.

I cant think of anything worse to be honest. To be trapped in a life in the same body and watch those around you who you know and love die. The rollercoaster that is life is amazing, yet excruciating at times.

I think there is a very good reason the majority of people have no recollection of their past lives...I'm only 42 and my soul feels ancient.

Imagine having to carry the weight of the world and all your experiences forever...however long forever is... :)

I don't think the human brain, working at its current 10% is anywhere near capable of dealing with that extent of knowing. It would be a burden rather than a blessing I feel!

[ozmirage]

Immortality? Bah. Partially furred, electrically powered water filled gas processing meat bags inhabited by sentient multidimensional beings would be bored. The end goal is to ride them until they break, and get in line to ride another.

[uzn]

To the ones above who like dying and coming back again and again:
Siddhartha (Buddha) said: It is not the goal to continue the circle(of life) endlessly. It is to break the circle. To get out of this endless loop (not like Sisyphus to do the same stuff again and again).

Back to the original question:
Bible quote:
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever", Genesis 3:22

Rig Veda quote:
We have drunk Soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered, Rig Veda 8.48.3

check out Ninhursag’s milk, Ambrosia, Amrita, Peaches of Immortality (china), Soma and Haoma.

If you look for the "Food of the gods" you will find in almost all mythologies substances that made immortal. In greek Mythology the greek goddess who cared about the immortality substance (Ambrosia) was kidnapped. The greek gods started to age and had to rescue her really fast. That was a matter of life and death to them.

I forgot to mention Cagliostro. But as shaberon said above this is talking about the forbidden fruit. So i stop here.

[Heartsong]

Vektor, You are young. There will be a time when your body gives out and you will be thankful for physical death. Be careful what you wish for.

[ozmirage]

To the ones above who like dying and coming back again and again:
Siddhartha (Buddha) said: It is not the goal to continue the circle(of life) endlessly. It is to break the circle. To get out of this endless loop (not like Sisyphus to do the same stuff again and again).

Back to the original question:
Bible quote:
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever", Genesis 3:22

Rig Veda quote:
We have drunk Soma and become immortal; we have attained the light, the Gods discovered, Rig Veda 8.48.3

check out Ninhursag’s milk, Ambrosia, Amrita, Peaches of Immortality (china), Soma and Haoma.

If you look for the "Food of the gods" you will find in almost all mythologies substances that made immortal. In greek Mythology the greek goddess who cared about the immortality substance (Ambrosia) was kidnapped. The greek gods started to age and had to rescue her really fast. That was a matter of life and death to them.

I forgot to mention Cagliostro. But as shaberon said above this is talking about the forbidden fruit. So i stop here.
In Robert Monroe's third book, ULTIMATE JOURNEY, he hinted that eternal bliss was boring.
It would be ironic that the rush to get corporeal is an attempt to escape eternal boredom...

[Shadowself]

I must cling to the the eternal where I will meet up and go home once again with my son which I lost four years ago today. With that I leave you with a poem my son wrote and I shared for his eulogy.

Free

For life rejoices; this gift behold
What lies ahead, remains to be told
Progressing continuously, as our lives do unfold
Reveling more about the how and what and why

Neither accept nor so deny
For inherent is the urge to try
To finally conclude the question of why
Instead, question each answer that you have derived
Question them all till the day that you die

How did life commence and evolve?
The meaning of life demanded there in
Searching on, further, for purpose within
There is no real answer; no absolution
For life emerged from and remains to be a question.




http://vimeo.com/46461267

May the 4th be with you.

[kirolak]

Ozmirage, that was wonderful!!:ROFL:

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Shadowself, my heart goes out to you. . . . that is a pain no one should have to bear. :bearhug:

[shaberon]

In Buddhism, the "escape from the wheel of rebirth" is the lower level and most widely accepted scheme. Bodhisattva vow is to deny one's liberation in order to work for the benefit of others. Doing so through age and injury constitutes a great sacrifice, when death would be a welcome relief.

The primary process is to unite our mind with the immortal (nectar of the gods). The only reason to make the body increase its lifespan would be the Bodhisattva vow. You would be healthier, but it isn't necessarily easy or blissful. I don't find myself qualified to even consider that. Mental and physical health, yes...being marginally helpful or useful to others, yes...but that's about the extent of my capabilities. The great alchemists, yogis, Buddha, are role models, not me. If I pretended to that level of greatness, I'd wind up another Cagliostro. It will be many meat bags before I have drank enough nectar; or, in the wrathful symbolism, drank from enough skull cups filled with the blood of transcendental wisdom.

[kirolak]

I really like this man & his humourous approach. . . he speaks to this topic very clearly, I find; death is what adds value to the quality of our lives.. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4k4gVNb96k#

[OMG]

1. If you physically die against your conscious will power then you have more to learn here.

2. Physical immortality isn't about being stuck in a physical body, it's a state of conscious mastery that enables you to come and go in a physical body at will.

3. Obviously seeking advice about physical immortality with anyone who isn't physically immortal results in mere speculation.



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[QueenKat]

I've thought on immortality, and, when I was younger, I really wanted to live for eons; however, now that I know that our soul lives on after we die, I think I will be happy to leave and allow the resources I would've needed to be utilized by another.

Another poster mentioned the possibility of boredom in the hereafter. Yes, maybe, but I truly doubt it.

I'm looking forward to having no aches and pains and "living" in my afterlife.

[thepainterdoug]

I feel there is no way or no need and also no desire for immortality in the state of separation as we are. oneness would give immortality , oneness with all and that would be in spirit in my imaginings .