Aging, the great equalizer

[thepainterdoug]

Friends/ Im 62 years old now, still playing ice hockey 4 days week and preserving my eyes wide open outlook about life as best I can.
But the reality of aging is ever real and consuming me more each day. I lost my Mom this February and witness to her last 9 years since loosing my Dad was profoundly heartbreaking, in and out of nursing homes , needing 24 hour nursing, in a wheelchair and so on. This is something I do not want !

Aging is the great equalizer, the rich and the beautiful the gifted the average all have to pass thru this stage.

I used to think these thoughts were just an aspect of my age but even my son at 31 years old feels it too. Are things accelerating ??


anyone have thoughts on this.

[regnak]

well scientist have discovered bones from around the world people used to and still can live a lot longer technology exists today that can make a person live a lot longer

The Immortal: True Accounts of the 250-Year-Old Man, Li Qingyun

In 1927, General Yang Sen invited Li Qingyun to Wanxian, China, to teach about health and longevity. Li Qingyun was reported to be 250 years old at the time, and his visit to Wanxian was big news. In 1970, Yang Sen compiled a book of his and others’ accounts of Li Qingyun, titled An Authentic and True Record of a 250-Year-Old Man, which Stuart Alve Olson started translating into English in 1982.

Besides the notion of someone living to 250 years of age, this book goes well beyond the biography of Li Qingyun’s life. It has great historical value, especially for Westerners who are unfamiliar with much of Chinese history towards the end of the Qing dynasty. It also explains incredible health therapies and provides information on what is now called Medical Qigong. Much is explained about Daoism on meditation, breathing, qigong exercise, food, sex, and philosophy for Daoist living. Another true gem of this book is the philosophical teachings, as much of this material has never been presented in English. The depth of information provided in this book surpasses any previously published work on Daoist health practices and philosophy. It is rare to come across a text with such abundance of insights and written with such clarity as this material provides

[tessfreq]

Hi Doug,
I’m 54 and wish I was still playing hockey. ☺
I’ve had the same feeling where I try and determine what is age related and what is universally happening. Heck, my 80 yo mom had to remind me about menopause when I was telling her about how weirdly angry I got about something. It was like, oh, yeah, dang.

There are two ways I’ve contemplated this time element. One is the acceleration perspective and the second way is like a stalled in time view.

With the acceleration view, I feel it and have felt it, but now as I try and find examples I can’t nail it. The easiest one is with technology, because everyone is in a constant paddle upstream trying to keep up with that. So much to learn and so little time. But that doesn’t speak of our collective experiences as much as our ability to make more cool stuff. What are your experiences that give you this accelerated view?

The stalled in time view is a little different but it kind of dovetails with the other. With this one, it’s like, when I look back and think geez, we were creating and debating about that in the 70’s, over 40 years ago and we are just now moving forward on it. Like with solar power, we were going strong with alternative energy in the 70’s, then it got squelched, and now it’s finally being broken out in big ways. This view makes me think that the acceleration view comes from time moving after being stalled. Which would make it more universal, where our kids would be resonanting with this also.

[RunningDeer]

Sorry for the loss of your Mom, Doug. http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Recovered/smileys-hugs-765537_zpso1eaenyy.gif

I'll be 66 in a couple of months. I'm confronted with aging more than I’d like to admit. Last summer, was the first time I didn’t use an air conditioner. I have the arm strength to lift the old monster, but I hurt my back one to many times when I installed and removed it the seasons before.

Every snow storm, I’m reminded of getting older. Every year that passes, I shovel more often to stay ahead of it. With those Nor’easters, I shovel every few hours through the night.

I stay active with light yoga stretches, walks, Tai Chi, Chi Kung and such. What I notice is if I miss a couple of days, I feel it. Recently, I’ll get a muscle pull that I can’t account for that’ll take days to recover. Which is another not so subtle reminder.

Some days, it’s one step forward, two steps backward. Detox, exercise, state of mind, rest, nature walks…all to counter the effects of aging and the assaults from chemtrails, scalar tech and all THAT rot.

RunningDeer ♡

[East Sun]

i really believe that we err in thinking that living longer is better. I'm 74 and am happy to be here and in 'good' health. If I was not in good health I'd be happy to go on to what ever? I said good bye to religion in the past but believe that out 'spirit'? continues for all eternity--always was and always will be---but if not that's ok.
I believe that there is an unlimited amount of information that is beyond our comprehension.

Edger Cayce, David Icke and others have pointed us in the right direction and I feel privileged to have had their direction.


I am exceedingly grateful to them.

[thepainterdoug]

thanks everyone, to those not concerned yet, you will be. its quite a trip but i can surely say, i would never go back don't want to be younger, just want to be the best soul i can be in my true reality.

[Daozen]

Jack Lalanne has always been a hero of mine. I was watching Game of Thrones with my gf last night, and noted how well Charles Dance moved at age 68ish, when he shot the scene. I would love to be that healthy and powerful when I'm his age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmmUa_r-oo

Aging is a conquerable physical disease, related to inflammation, rotting and rusting. We may beat it in our lifetimes, but wouldn't expect any announcement from the MSM. There are some who may well have beaten aging already: Look at Pharell Williams. And check what his Father's name is...

Cold showers are a poor man's cryo. I take one most days. Hot springs take away alot of aches and pains.

Even in my late thirties, I am devoting my spare time to researching longevity herbs and substances as much as I can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct2g9waTmzI

[RunningDeer]

Jack Lalanne has always been a hero of mine. I was watching Game of Thrones with my gf last night, and noted how well Charles Dance moved at age 68ish, when he shot the scene. I would love to be that healthy and powerful when I'm his age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfmmUa_r-oo

Aging is a conquerable physical disease, related to inflammation, rotting and rusting. We may beat it in our lifetimes, but wouldn't expect any announcement from the MSM. There are some who may well have beaten aging already:


There are some who may well have beaten aging already

I agree exercise is important. I’ve been active my whole life. Like you, I also live the lifestyle and belief in reverse aging. At the very least I’ve slowed it down. One of my barometers is my 7 siblings. All but one are younger than I. In 2008, Sister #8 passed due to poor lifestyle choices.

Last fall, Sister #4 was angry because a guy in a bar said to me, "If your mom doesn’t mind I like to invite you…" He never got to finished the sentence because my sister railed back that she was my sister not her mom. Our brother stepped in to smooth things over. Sister #4 is four years younger than I.

None of my siblings exercise, nor eat ‘sticks and twigs’ (family joke about me), and water is not their first choice of liquid refreshment.

I plan to be here for awhile and live a quality lifestyle.

RunningDeer ♡

[Justplain]

Aging is such a profoundly mortal condition of our existence. It makes one appreciate the good times in the past, for instance. I believe that a part of us lives on after this life, and that part of us will keep a memory of this life's individual. However, that immortal part of us doesnt really identify with the mortal part of us, which may be a bit hard to comprehend. If we try to identify with our immortal selves we will probably see things about this life in a different perspective.

I personally wish it was easier for us to mentally recall our past lives and our existence between lives. It would allow us to better understand ourselves and our purpose here. If it were easier to remember there wouldnt be many atheists left around. We'd also probably appreciate our lives a lot more and have fewer conflicts, because time is on our side. :-)

[Alpha141]

Thanks for the info offered Jonsnow. Fascinating.

[shaberon]

I'm not quite that far along yet, but from the age I have reached, I feel that a very vicious part of it is:

You lose people. Whether it's to death, or you simply grow apart. But since you're not young and trendy any more, no one really comes along to replace them. As one of the comedians said, you reach a certain point and about all the general public thinks of you is: Shut up and do your job. This is the only thing that really makes me feel age right now.

I'm sure it doesn't happen to everyone, but it's fairly standard. My co-workers usually wondered why I was so patient with folks who were obviously quite elderly and weren't getting along too well, and may have been fussy (which turns off a lot of younger people). I told them more than once that: this might be the only time today, or this week, that anybody even talks to them. I can't fix their aching bones, but I can take a few minutes to make them a little happier.

It's a shame to get equalized not just by a feeling of loneliness; but when prolonged, it simply drains your mind. I was actually horrified by my own mother refusing anything to do with a certain relative, who outlived everyone she knew, and made this last outreach. But mom wanted to carry a grudge from relatively trivial stuff that happened fifty years ago. Not much further down the road, she was getting the floor replaced where the lady had melted into it, since there was no one left to notice she had died.

Aside from whatever may befall you physically, abandonment is pure tragedy.

[thepainterdoug]

shaberon/
Aside from whatever may befall you physically, abandonment is pure tragedy.

totally agree. ty

[Richard S.]

Would anyone have a link to this book, I can`t seem to find it.

The subject at hand is of great interest to me. I feel that we are not taking the proper things into account, if it was just a question of age, wouldn't we expire all at the same time?

Daozen hits it on the nose, we are not ageing, methinks more so we are decaying more or less rapidly. I have spoken with many health professionals to understand it. The mutual agreement of all these conversations is that when we are reaching this final phase of our existence is that we arrive completely dried up, dehydrated and decaying from the lack of hydration in our bodies.

Our way of life is what makes us expire faster than we should. Some of us arrive at the end in an abrupt manner, whilst most are going downhill for years because of what they have done to the meat suit. The culmination of what we do to our bodies over our lifetime is what draws up the end, obviously. There are so many factors to take into play on this, otherwise, like I stated before, we would all die at the same time, or close to it.

So yeah, I would really love to read the book...


well scientist have discovered bones from around the world people used to and still can live a lot longer technology exists today that can make a person live a lot longer

The Immortal: True Accounts of the 250-Year-Old Man, Li Qingyun

In 1927, General Yang Sen invited Li Qingyun to Wanxian, China, to teach about health and longevity. Li Qingyun was reported to be 250 years old at the time, and his visit to Wanxian was big news. In 1970, Yang Sen compiled a book of his and others’ accounts of Li Qingyun, titled An Authentic and True Record of a 250-Year-Old Man, which Stuart Alve Olson started translating into English in 1982.

Besides the notion of someone living to 250 years of age, this book goes well beyond the biography of Li Qingyun’s life. It has great historical value, especially for Westerners who are unfamiliar with much of Chinese history towards the end of the Qing dynasty. It also explains incredible health therapies and provides information on what is now called Medical Qigong. Much is explained about Daoism on meditation, breathing, qigong exercise, food, sex, and philosophy for Daoist living. Another true gem of this book is the philosophical teachings, as much of this material has never been presented in English. The depth of information provided in this book surpasses any previously published work on Daoist health practices and philosophy. It is rare to come across a text with such abundance of insights and written with such clarity as this material provides

[RunningDeer]

Would anyone have a link to this book, I can`t seem to find it.

http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/old-man_zps87ls2ida.jpg




"...Li was asked what his secret was to longevity. This was his reply: “Keep a quiet heart, sit like a tortoise, walk sprightly like a pigeon and sleep like a dog.” These were the words of advice Li gave to Wu Pei-fu, the warlord, who took Li into his house to learn the secret of extremely long life.

Li maintained that inward calm and peace of mind combined with breathing techniques were the secrets to incredible longevity. Obviously, his diet would have played a large role. But its fascinating that the old living person in recorded history attributes his long life to his state of mind."



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Amazon.com - The Immortal: True Accounts of the 250-Year-Old Man, Li Qingyun (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1889633348/ref=x_gr_w_bb_sout?ie=UTF8&tag=x_gr_w_bb_sout-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1889633348&SubscriptionId=1MGPYB6YW3HWK55XCGG2)

pdf - Daoist Immortality: Death and Immortality in Daoism (http://www.radicalmatters.com/public/eskathon.publishing/library/rmepaas002.ken.jeremiah.daoist.immortality.2012.pdf) - Li Qingyun is on page 6.

Also this site you may be interested in: Li Ching Yuen Diet and Herbs (https://supermanherbs.com/li-ching-yuen-256-year-old-man/)

[Stardad]

A great subject for many to contribute; Thanks you Thepainterdoug!

My recipe to extend physical body life touches upon physical exercise, breathing exercises, nutrition and also finding ones creative passion. Visualisation and meditation are also tools to identify and neutralise body ailments that prop up sometimes.

Physical exercise: I find that the 5 tibetan rites are a good basis to activate the energy centers and the large muscle groups. I also add to this other exercises related to yoga and martial arts that maintain muscle tone. Time used for this: 20 to 30 minutes every day! Walking, light jogging and biking or snowshoing in nature (depending on the season) are also good! The objective is bettering and then maintaining body flexibility, stamina and power on a everyday basis.

Breathing exercises: We neglect using our full breathing potential. This eventualy leads to degeneration of our aerobic capacity. I use a rather simple breathing exercise that the Wingmaker site proposes which is as an example: breathing in 6 seconds, holding 6 seconds, exhaling 6 seconds and retaining 6 seconds in sets of 3 or 6. 2 sets of 6 in the morning and a set of 6 in the evening does the trick for me!

Finding your creative passion is also very important. After all, you need to contribute to feel useful in life. Many leave this Earth prematurely because they are bored and realise that they can no longer contribute. Find your creative passion and extend your life!!! Mine are music through crystal bowl playing and doing community work.

Nutrition: A lot has been written about nutrition and I will limit my comments to this: stay away from manufactured food as much as possible; learn to cook the basic foods yourself and using Bio fruits and veggies as much as possible. Before eating, bless your food! Using certain supplements that your body needs is ok.

Many of my friends that have left the body have neglected or put aside one of these aspects.

At 66 years young, I can still play good volleyball and walking 7-8 miles at a good pace is not a problem.

I hope this helps!

[regnak]

RunningDeer great post 10/10:sherlock:

[Agape]

More I've seen in this world and of human life the more I realise how many options are there , in growing up , living , aging and dying .
Of course looking around your own circles and environment there don't seem to be that many options at all but once you have to think of human life in its entirety on earth , ways to go are almost endless .
Society creates stereotypes , wisdom beings follow their truth nevertheless .

Dignity in life is important in any age and yet , and yet .. the answer to 'dignity' of life seldom comes from outside . It more likely has to be ascertained from within .

There are elders for whom their great kids in posh cars take care about to detail and yet , those people suffer from within for missing something .. they only miss because they never went for it ..
and they become jealous of their children . I'd tell them , no, your children really can not repay your debts to joy .
And there are people for whom no one cares a lot and so they walk light and evade stationary hells and prisons of this world and never age and die blessed .

For those who had to be 'old and responsible' in young age , ageing is often , a blessing in disguise . People who live from their youthful beauty and vigour taking it for granted , being used to being admired , they seem to say uniformly how 'old age' hit them with an axe.

They say in times of old Egypt the average life span was something around 45-46. It still makes sense . Personally , I found myself surprised by every decade and cipher I passed through successfully as if it all was long arduous exam to complete.
The most I could have done for others was sometime between 20 and 30 years of human age .
The moment weakness starts affecting life it's all about calculating strength vs options.

I can't recall who :bigsmile: once jokingly ran the comparison between peoples lives and that of dogs. Big dogs grow slower . As 2 or even 4 year olds they're still puppies, then reach their best age and can be here till 20 .
For many small breed of dogs the process is different and life span tends to be much shorter .

It's a way similar for many humans . It's really difficult to equalise because the huge genomic diversity among one 'human species' .
So in fact , the process has to be personalised .

Paradoxically but what I wanted to stress here at the first place .. ways we despise the most are usually the best for your 'organic life' . Such as ... sleeping . Not pushing and pulling self around .
Fasting is said to prolong life in mice and humans . Doing nothing is generally much safer than doing whatever we do, including spending money on getting much better.

But somehow , we all like the illusion that 'doing something' about it helps .


:flower:

[Basho]

Great posts Running Dear & stardad!

I look really young but I feel super old lol. But I'm taking care of my foundation through meditation, pranayama(breathing excercises), yoga, nutrition & healing herbs. Unfortunately, I'm in the worse before it gets better stage of healing. Which is quite frustrating but I'm in a good spiritual space & that's what is most important, to me.

I've started Wim Hof's breathing excercises a couple of weeks ago & I'm definitely feeling the subtle differences in my body already. I'm not quite ready to do the cold stuff though. I'm a warm weather person & i hate the cold, so I haven't even attempted to take a cold shower yet. But I will try soon enough lol

[RunningDeer]

I can't recall who :bigsmile: once jokingly ran the comparison between peoples lives and that of dogs. Big dogs grow slower . As 2 or even 4 year olds they're still puppies, then reach their best age and can be here till 20 .
For many small breed of dogs the process is different and life span tends to be much shorter .
Hi Agape, http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Recovered/animal0019_zps0lrkgtiw.GIF

http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Recovered/dog-smiley_zpsdli01xpk.GIFOne clarification about the size of dogs. My Wolfe, a Yorkie, lived 16+ years.


Why Don’t Big Dogs Live as Long as Small Dogs? (http://mentalfloss.com/article/49358/why-don’t-big-dogs-live-long-small-dogs)




"The phenomenon is well known to dog lovers: Dogs from bigger breeds don’t live as long as smaller ones. The small breeds have an average life expectancy of 12 to 14 years; for larger breeds, it's 8 to 10; and for the so-called “giant breeds,” lifespan is 5 to 8 years. "

"This strange flip in the relationship between size and lifespan isn’t completely understood, and many, if not all, of the factors at play are probably species-specific. This is certainly the case for dogs, and scientists think that the reasons big breeds die young have to do with the way humans have bred them and the way they grow. "

"A new study published last month focused only on dogs and likewise concludes that big dogs die young because they age quickly. The European researchers looked at veterinary data for 74 breeds and more than 50,000 individual dogs, including when and how they died, and found that “large dogs age at an accelerated pace, suggesting that their adult life unwinds in fast motion.”"

RunningDeer http://paula.avalonlibrary.net/Recovered/smileys-flowers-967577_zpslibhgwqy.GIF

[bettye198]

Thank you for your honest commentary Running Deer. At almost age 69 I relate. Back 15 yrs I could do the Tony Little exercises on the floor and get up without holding on, jump on a trampoline and walk on a treadmill at a clip. It is amazing what the body does 15 yrs later with menopause and joint inflammation. You eat right, supplement, do the good walk, stretch, meditate, get happy into a hobby but yet, aging is upon us like a brick. I read countless times that death is not natural nor is aging. It is a "curse" handed down, not a God thing.
I think of beings on other planets who live hundreds of years and when they exit, it is a choice. Beings who have children nurtured and cared for by elders. Beings who do not have marriage contracts but live that fantasy life of freedom with whomever because love rules not the negative emotions.
Some people have really good genetics like my husband. Works out three times a week for an hour and half each time, high intensity. Works like a champ, has no feelings of aging. 70 yrs old in 2 mos.
I have learned one thing, and that is no comparison because of our different constitutions. If we do, instantly we are brought down to a level of not worthy. I give thanks for another day. That is my peace.:heart:

[kirolak]

Perhaps without the process of aging, we would resist dying even more. . . .a friend of mine always used to say he looked forward to old age & the "invisibility" or "anonymity" it would bring, & I think he was right to some degree; an "old lady" doesn't come under the intense scrutiny of the passing show in the same way that a young woman does. Personally, I have always believed I was 19 years old, for some reason . . .then unexpectedly see myself in a mirror & wonder what happened to her! The effect of life in a world where body-identification rules our perceptions. . .

Old age could be welcome if one lived in a society where the frail were respected & cared for, not in old-age homes where we get shunted to die; but in a real sense. I think it is important to reflect, & prepare for one's death as best we know how.

[Stardad]

Well I must say that this trend is taking a fatalistic turn! And yes, genetic and societal programming are part of the problem.

If your programs are the problem, at least try to change them! This has been the aim of my meditations for quite some time and I humbly suggest you also try.

I have expressed my recipe to extend physical life in an earlier post but I guess the most important point is having a joyfull, positive and gratefull attitude towards being here at this time and participating in this grand awakening! Yes I know that this awakening will not happen to all, but each individual must make it's own choice. Let us focus on us, the ones that want to graduate!

For some reason this thought makes me smile every morning!

I wish you all a most splendid day!

[RunningDeer]

“We deprogram our ability to heal ourselves,” says Dr. Bruce Lipton

Snippets:

We’ve been so programed to devalue and disempower ourselves that we see ourselves as victims. Some frail biological entities, ripe for bacteria to eat us all up. Which is totally untrue.

And the joke? Many people get well on the way to the doctors. Without having any treatment. And the reason is: they already had the ability to get well but the program step says, “Until you do this, the healing doesn’t start.” So we deprogram our ability to heal ourselves.

We’re just average people. We have no extraordinary powers. Even healing isn’t one of our powers. That's a belief.

What’s interesting is that we have an innate ability to heal ourselves. So you actually stall your own ability to heal yourself until you go to the doctor.

We have to start from that belief and change these beliefs to who we really are. We are profoundly powerful people. We can walk across hot coals. A woman can lifted a car off an infant … Where’s the frail image come from? That’s a belief.


Segment break downs with quick links, and some paraphrased notes:

Can you explain the difference between Newtonian Physics and Quantum Physics and how they respectively view the world? @ 4:17 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=4m17s)

Can you explain how the viewpoint of Newtonian Physics limits our ability to heal our bodies? @ 8:29 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=8m29s)

Is positive thinking enough to change your life? @ 12:17 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=12m17s)


Problem? Having a positive thought does not in any way necessitate that those positive thoughts actually manifest themselves. There’s a piece that was left out…


How does our childhood programing effect our current health? @ 26:55 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=26m55s)


What do we acquire in that 0-6 year development? That we’re just average people. We have no extraordinary powers. Even healing isn’t one of our powers. Because every time we got sick, we were told we had to go to the doctor to get healed. That’s an experiential program. So what does my subconscious mind learn from this experience? Every time I’m sick I have to go to the doctors. Why? Apparently it’s the step before you get healed. So we build that into the program. What’s interesting is that we have an innate ability to heal ourselves. So you actually stall your own ability to heal yourself until you go to the doctor.

And the joke? Many people get well on the way to the doctors. Without having any treatment. And the reason is: they already had the ability to get well but the program step says, “Until you do this, the healing doesn’t start.” So we deprogram our ability to heal ourselves.

How does unconscious beliefs affect our health? @ 28:06 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=28m6s)


It’s based on our individual programs. Because we’ve been so programed to devalue and disempower ourselves that we see ourselves as victims. Some frail biological entities, ripe for bacteria to eat us all up. Which is totally untrue. So we have to start from that belief and change these beliefs to who we really are. We are profoundly powerful people. We can walk across hot coals. A woman can lifted a car off an infant … Where’s the frail image come from? That’s a belief.

Have you seen people change their lives using EFT? @ 29:23 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=29m23s)

What false beliefs are still being taught to us today about our biology and our health? @ 30:36 (http://youtu.be/o1Tt0yGMm88?t=30m36s)



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A field approach to science does not negate the importance of discovering the various mechanism of function that are found in biology. However, a mechanical approach alone limits the scope of discovery while a field approach expands it

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[regnak]

Aging well we all die in the end :p

[Stardad]

Well said Jonsnow! At least our body dies!

But I would like very much to say, as Li Ching Yuen said before passing: “I have done all that I have to do in this world”.

It relates to what I wrote earlier relating to our capacity to contribute and relating to our environment.

Well in my case, I am not quite done yet! And I will continue doing while trying to maintain the best body health possible; why suffer needlesly!

I wish you all the best health possible.

[Megrubbieswet]

My brother, i lost my mum in 2014.. If i did not make it up to her I WOULD BE IN ETERNAL REGRET.. This comment will further support that abandonment of others is a real tragedy. This resonates with me and lifted my day up.. Live life with no regrets, you cant go back!

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Well said Jonsnow! At least our body dies!

But I would like very much to say, as Li Ching Yuen said before passing: “I have done all that I have to do in this world”.

It relates to what I wrote earlier relating to our capacity to contribute and relating to our environment.

Well in my case, I am not quite done yet! And I will continue doing while trying to maintain the best body health possible; why suffer needlesly!

I wish you all the best health possible.

It's all about retaining optimal health which correlates with preventative illness, the more balance you have the less dieseases you are likely to get.

[regnak]

Megrubbieswet sorry about your mum:grouphug::wink:

[Ol' Roy]

Of first of all, you know how much I love you! How much you introdute the forum !Awesome PM me because it is very important!

[Megrubbieswet]

Megrubbieswet sorry about your mum:grouphug::wink:

That's okay, loss is a part of life... Better living and not regretting the time you spent with them.. I closed the book with her so it's okay to go to the next chapter.

[Inversion]

Getting old is like a bad dream. Hey! This isn't what was in the brochure before I incarnated. I want my money back!

This is a 1962 episode of the Twilight Zone called Trade-Ins. An old couple approached a company to get two younger bodies at five grand each but could only afford one.

Trade-Ins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trade-Ins)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tVJhYh33bk

I saw this years ago and it stuck with me. It's the late Don S. Davis from Stargate SG-1. He said "When you get old the machinery starts to fall apart."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_4gaPL_fKg

[Sue (Ayt)]

As I grow older, I've realized that aging sure carries a whole new set of challenges.

I don't think we are as prepared as we might be on dealing with these, as they are widely brushed under the table in modern culture, as if they are just not supposed to happen at all, ever.
But yet they do... just at various rates, I guess.

Maybe a thread would be useful on handling the challenges and obstacles.
Maybe I will start one.
:meeting:

[wondering]

Hi Sue, Great post and something that has been occupying my mind a lot in the last year and a half, since Ron died. Being in my 80's feels different to me than being in my 70's. When we are younger, I think for the most part, it is a given inside that we have "miles to go before we sleep", or at least it is reasonable to think that even though we know it might not be true. But in the 80's it is not reasonable to expect that we will have 15 or 20 more years left. Sure, we might, but the odds are not in our favor as they once were. Physical difficulties may increase. Joints, for example, take on bad attitudes about some activities that were no problem not too long ago. Not having any family nearby, I am thinking about whether to stay in my house, or look into a multi level facility where I could get what I might need without having to depend on others so much....no answers yet, just looking, thinking, talking to others in my situation. All of this is against the backdrop of our world situation and where we might be in a year, or two or five regardless of our personal journey.
I was told in a Numerology reading many years ago, the best reading I've ever had, that a major theme in my numbers was that I was here to uplift humanity. This seemed so ridiculous to me then and for many years since. Now I'm thinking it makes a lot of sense, because the main thing I can offer, in fact the only thing I can offer, given many of my circumstances, is to be the Light, the Love and the Truth, which we all in fact ARE, and to intend that that be sent into the world to prevail. It feels like that is something that I can consistently do. The age part will be there regardless.

[JackMcThorn]

Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening

By: Robert Frost

Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.

My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.

He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound’s the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

I was called young the other day by an old friend who is not that much older. I had to reflect on that a bit.

[Harmony]

As I grow older, I've realized that aging sure carries a whole new set of challenges.

I don't think we are as prepared as we might be on dealing with these, as they are widely brushed under the table in modern culture, as if they are just not supposed to happen at all, ever.
But yet they do... just at various rates, I guess.

Maybe a thread would be useful on handling the challenges and obstacles.
Maybe I will start one.
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Sue, when I saw your post today I thought, gosh I have been thinking these things off and on. Things like "I never even heard of this or that problem, and it isn't fun sometimes to have new "burdens" to deal with, as though there isn't enough uncertainties already :bigsmile:. And you don't even have to be that old to have new unexpected surprises come up. And your right about how many problems get swept under the carpet.

In most countries it is kind of the same when talking about dying and I think that leads to a lot of important things being unsaid when others are not well, like it isn't really going to happen.:rolleyes: When my Dad got near the end of his life he really appreciated me talking about what might happen after the last breath and it made him a lot more ok about passing.


And dear Wondering,



I was told in a Numerology reading many years ago, the best reading I've ever had, that a major theme in my numbers was that I was here to uplift humanity. This seemed so ridiculous to me then and for many years since. Now I'm thinking it makes a lot of sense, because the main thing I can offer, in fact the only thing I can offer, given many of my circumstances, is to be the Light, the Love and the Truth, which we all in fact ARE, and to intend that that be sent into the world to prevail. It feels like that is something that I can consistently do. The age part will be there regardless. That is so wonderful that you can share your gifts and your wisdom because you have the real experience and a good heart. This can bring real connection, because even though we deal with problelms there is that underlying connection and tenderness that our thoughts and intentions can heal and bring energies back into balance as we each have our "inner child" that is often not very far away. It's right there under the surface as our true self is:heart:quite beyond the normally thought of things that might cause separation.


And JackMcThorn:



I was called young the other day by an old friend who is not that much older. I had to reflect on that a bit.
that made me smile and what a lovely poem too:sunrise::sun:

[wondering]

Jack McThorn, thank you for posting Frost's entire poem, I didn't think to do it. It is one of my favorites ever. Harmony and Sue, (and anyone else) I would really like to have more of a discussion of how this issue really impacts our lives. Sue, I know you are a caregiver, too. If anyone wants to, I would love to hear how we all relate as those numbers going up and up....with sharing around what has changed for us and what we most think about in terms of the future years ahead. It is such a universal concern. Anyone else deal with "what ifs". Sue, maybe your thought of starting another thread is a good one. Love to you guys!! 🥰

[grapevine]

As an elderly person (not that I think of myself as elderly at all :)) . . . this subject interests me greatly.

There's a whole set of differences between our youthful and older selves, which seem to creep up on us all of a sudden. One of the first and (imo) the most important is SARCOPENIA, or muscle loss. There are many videos on YouTube about sarcopenia, but they never quite hit the right spot. More exercise, they say, and while that's correct, the aging person can no longer exercise in the same way that they used to, without pulling something and setting themselves back for weeks, sometimes months.

I first noticed muscle loss as a clumsiness; I used to be able to take the kitchen chair, hop up on it and get something off the top shelf, but now I have to hold on to the back of the chair and push myself up. Ditto on the way down. Similarly, if I'm sitting on the floor, I can no longer get to my feet without turning round on all fours and pushing myself up with my hands. Can you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihj1DJObXv8 (2:23)
And some of them are youngsters too :laughs:

Here's one of the better videos about sarcopenia imo, which explains how an elderly muscle works and regenerates which will be very interesting to those who want to know more. I think the WAY that we exercise has to be different as well. Squats are out of the question for me, but there are other exercises for the glutes which are just as good and less punishing on the joints (a subject for another time maybe :))


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G4arrouEk8 (5:31)

https://www.lancehitchings.com/the-longevity-foundations-vsl
Link to Lance's "Longevity Guide" - you have to give your email address

[JackMcThorn]

Jack McThorn, thank you for posting Frost's entire poem, I didn't think to do it. It is one of my favorites ever.

When I saw what you wrote it took me back a bit because it too is one of my favourites ever and I hadn't visited it in some years until you mentioned it. I've always thought I've promises to keep. Cheers to you.

[RunningDeer]

fabulous50s videos (https://www.youtube.com/@fabulous50s/videos) - Fitness, Health and Exercise


Rule of thumb: If you can comfortably do twelve repetitions of an exercise the weight is too light for you. We need to challenge our muscles and different muscle groups require different weights.

One great thing about these home workouts you don't have to impress anybody you don't have to compare yourself to anyone else in the gym. Just do what you're comfortable with and challenge yourself a little bit more than you think you can.



5-Minute Seated Stretch exercise! Chair stretches over 50+



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10 Minute EVERY DAY STRETCH | All Standing Over 50!




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10 Minute Arm Workout with dumbbell weights exercise the shoulders, biceps and tricep bat wings. Home workout Fabulous 50 arms workouts are micro workouts that are designed to pair with one to 3 other workouts depending on how much time you have in the day. Each workout here at fabulous 50s is low impact, age appropriate and designed to give you strength, fitness and vitality.


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[Heart to heart]

It is funny how synchronicity knocks on your door

Last night on retiring a poem of terse verse came to me. My husband is 89 and suffers with angina. I have had a couple of bad bleeds due to high blood pressure!

It is titled “ Nearly Ninety”

Blood letting
Skin cracking
Heart racing
World breaking

Reg moaning
Chest paining
Breath gasping
Bed calling

Carolyn listening
Body weakening
Spirit strengthening
Soul gathering

Information coming
Stay loving
Keep creating
Forever Being.

There you have it, written with tongue in cheek!

[wondering]

Dear Carolyn, Words fail me. Thank you for this sharing, My heart opens to your heart and brings back memories...this is the depth of aging.

[Denise/Dizi]

Most wouldn't believe me if I told them I had MS, and once had it so bad, I was falling over my own feet, and bought myself a wheelchair.. I took all the injections, ate all the pills, and decided enough of that..

The funny thing is, I don't know WHAT helped me come back from such a debilitating situation... But I began to think about the body, how our dna is programmed, how the codes do things, and I began to wonder if I told my dna to tell my body to repair itself, could it be possible that it may work?

I changed many things in my life, stopped working, which was making me sicker faster.. I changed my diet, and added physical therapy, against doctors orders... I began doing more light exercises than I had previously, and kept telling my body to tell my cells to repair the damage.

I still have MS, but it no longer has me.. I do not know what worked, and maybe it was a combination of all of it, and positive thinking? But SOMETHING WORKED....

I am very careful now, not to ignore my body when it speaks to me.. I still don't drink enough water... But I do take much better care of myself now... And While I am much older now, than I was when I first began to go downhill quickly? I got my life back in a very dramatic way..

Much like speaking to a houseplant? I do think it helped. I would never have thought that the body would react internally to thought, or to talking to it directly... But why wouldn't it? People respond to you talking to them, it lifts their mood, and gives them a sense of wellbeing... But our genetics and cells actually are capable of doing things within the body...

Just thought I would throw this out there.. At that point in my life, I figured it couldn't hurt.. To make an attempt to "Give the helper agents in the body a little direction"

[Harmony]

RinningDeer, Thank you for these videos. It has been really cold, windy and rainy here lately and I have been missing my walks. I usually work in the garden too and those kinds of expercising are my favourites, but these workouts are nice and simple and easy and I also did the 30 minute indoor walk with weights in the same fabulous 50's series. It was very doable and made me feel a lot better about the weather here, because you need to get that movement for your lymphatic system etc. and it warms you up nicely as well:sun:


Also when your busy with your daily "have to do's" you can incorporate some isometric exercises etc. that do help keep your muscles a little stronger. While brushing your teeth, go into a squat position, what ever is comfortable, never hurt yourself and you will find your thighs and calf muscles are stronger after a month or so. And the same with simple abdomen and other exercises, gentle ones, and work them into your day while in a chair or standing doing the dishes as stronger muscles help to take the stress off your spine and hips.


The older we get, it is likely we have more old injuries and problems to take into account from broken bones, surgeries, accidents etc. to be aware of and cater for. I have found tying to love and appreciate all the hard work myr body does and feel grateful for all it's done with and for me is helpful, and never feel you have to compete with anyone else, just your own improvement.


I have that question in the back of my mind sometimes, what if I can't cope well as time goes on? Most want to be self relient and independant, but there are times people need help from each other and that is ok in a world where caring for others is natural, but I understand the lack of trust in care homes etc. is something real, and having a trusted friend or family member is a wonderul thing if that's possible. I don't think it is an easy thing in the world any more. I like to always leave openings for possibilities that come out of nowhere when things seem difficult or hopeless, and somehow things workout, sometimes in extraordinary ways. That inner connection to our higherself, along with our vision we hold with goodness in mind seems to be important to me. Trying to find out what I can learn from a certain situation can be key. It may not have a miraculous answer but a new awareness of the bigger picture.:heart:







fabulous50s videos (https://www.youtube.com/@fabulous50s/videos) - Fitness, Health and Exercise



Rule of thumb: If you can comfortably do twelve repetitions of an exercise the weight is too light for you. We need to challenge our muscles and different muscle groups require different weights.
One great thing about these home workouts you don't have to impress anybody you don't have to compare yourself to anyone else in the gym. Just do what you're comfortable with and challenge yourself a little bit more than you think you can.


5-Minute Seated Stretch exercise! Chair stretches over 50+



5-Minute Full Body seated Chair Stretch | Daily Desk Routine for Women Over 50 & Seniors. Welcome to our 5-Minute Full Body Chair Stretch video, specifically designed for women over 50 and seniors seeking a gentle, effective way to rejuvenate and energize their bodies right from their desk. This routine is perfect for those spending long hours sitting or anyone looking to incorporate more movement into their day without the need for special equipment or a lot of time.



10 Minute EVERY DAY STRETCH | All Standing Over 50!




Another one of Schellea Fowler's fabulous50s stretching exercises, tailored specifically for those fabulous over 50! Embrace the beauty of aging with our "10 Minute Daily Stretch" routine, designed to enhance your mobility and bring vitality into every day. Whether you're a beginner or looking to enrich your morning ritual, Schellea's full body stretch for beginners offers a perfect blend of stretching exercises that are gentle, effective, and easy to follow. From head to toe, our fabulous50s stretching routine is crafted to improve flexibility, reduce stiffness, and promote overall well-being. Join us in celebrating the strength and grace of the fabulous 50s with exercises that empower, energize, and uplift. Start your day with a morning stretch that prepares you for whatever life throws your way, feeling stronger, more mobile, and truly fabulous!


5 Minute Toned Arm workout For Women Over 50 | No equipment!




Quick 5 minute Toned Arm workout For Women for fast results! Tone your arms and get rid of those Flabby Bat Wings forever! This low impact at home 5 minute toned arm workout for mature women over 50 requires no equipment and is suitable for beginners.

This arm workout is challenging but very doable and it’s all over in 5 minutes. Ttry this easy to follow 5 minute Best Toning Arm Workout For Women Over 50 and in just 5 minutes will be on your way to creating strong, toned arms that look great in sleeveless tops and dresses. If you do a little bit every day, you will get results!



10 MinUte Tone Your ARM Workout With WEIGHTS For Women Over 50!




10 Minute Arm Workout with dumbbell weights exercise the shoulders, biceps and tricep bat wings. Home workout Fabulous 50 arms workouts are micro workouts that are designed to pair with one to 3 other workouts depending on how much time you have in the day. Each workout here at fabulous 50s is low impact, age appropriate and designed to give you strength, fitness and vitality. :heart:

[Johnnycomelately]

Most wouldn't believe me if I told them I had MS, and once had it so bad, I was falling over my own feet, and bought myself a wheelchair.. I took all the injections, ate all the pills, and decided enough of that..

The funny thing is, I don't know WHAT helped me come back from such a debilitating situation... But I began to think about the body, how our dna is programmed, how the codes do things, and I began to wonder if I told my dna to tell my body to repair itself, could it be possible that it may work?

I changed many things in my life, stopped working, which was making me sicker faster.. I changed my diet, and added physical therapy, against doctors orders... I began doing more light exercises than I had previously, and kept telling my body to tell my cells to repair the damage.

I still have MS, but it no longer has me.. I do not know what worked, and maybe it was a combination of all of it, and positive thinking? But SOMETHING WORKED....

I am very careful now, not to ignore my body when it speaks to me.. I still don't drink enough water... But I do take much better care of myself now... And While I am much older now, than I was when I first began to go downhill quickly? I got my life back in a very dramatic way..

Much like speaking to a houseplant? I do think it helped. I would never have thought that the body would react internally to thought, or to talking to it directly... But why wouldn't it? People respond to you talking to them, it lifts their mood, and gives them a sense of wellbeing... But our genetics and cells actually are capable of doing things within the body...

Just thought I would throw this out there.. At that point in my life, I figured it couldn't hurt.. To make an attempt to "Give the helper agents in the body a little direction"

Hi Denise. I like your ideas here, about the power of thought. You say “talking”, as in talking-to, which I take as expressing will. From my experience, I think the talking-to need not be done with words, but words are useful. Really useful, for formulating intention, which imo is effective.

I do this daily, in dealing with several (possibly related) physical conditions. The best healing effects, meaning the lessening of pain or warning/troubling signals from this body, come from keeping and flowing an intention. The process can last days with no further words, and no further words are necessary. To me the key is to attain, and then maintain, an inner vibration matching what I think or imagine is the way God would will healing.

Maintaining a positive vibe is kind of an onerous chore, gotta keep tabs on how all your daily inputs (especially voluntary ones, but outside influences too) affect your inner state. Easier to do, if you (I) love giving more than taking.

Cheers, sis. Love your strength. 👻😎♥️

[RunningDeer]

I mix up the exercise routines between Tai Chi, yoga, walks and free weights. My daily goal is to do at least two out of the four. It’s a bit of a challenge to walk in winter so I get steps in by going down store aisles that are of no interest to me or others. Or I pick up the pace around the perimeter in the store if it’s early in the morning. I always park my car far away when I do errands. It keeps the car from bumps and dents (and the same for me.)
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There are times when I want to skip exercise routines. What helps is I shut down the mind tape “I’ll skip it today,” and just get to it. Another trick is I do simple yoga stretches in the living room. So on those lazy days, I’ll set up the mat and yoga strap ahead of time. It’s one less reason for an excuse. Afterward, I acknowledge the feeling of accomplishment. The same for when I go off to sleep. I account all the things I did that day to maintain health and wellness.

On the country road, I use part of the time as a walking meditation and turn off the mind chatter. Or I’ll focus on the smells and sounds and listen for the chatty flora and fauna. I give thanks to them. This is the time of year when the forest buddies get sleepy and ready for their winter’s nap. We make a date to catch up next spring.

A quality life is achievable in the golden years because of the daily choices: 1) present and future goals 2) positive reinforcement 3) flexibility 4) willingness to stretch and experiment 5) follow through on decisions 5) physical and mental workouts.

:heart:

[Denise/Dizi]

Hi Denise. I like your ideas here, about the power of thought. You say “talking”, as in talking-to, which I take as expressing will. From my experience, I think the talking-to need not be done with words, but words are useful. Really useful, for formulating intention, which imo is effective.

I do this daily, in dealing with several (possibly related) physical conditions. The best healing effects, meaning the lessening of pain or warning/troubling signals from this body, come from keeping and flowing an intention. The process can last days with no further words, and no further words are necessary. To me the key is to attain, and then maintain, an inner vibration matching what I think or imagine is the way God would will healing.

Maintaining a positive vibe is kind of an onerous chore, gotta keep tabs on how all your daily inputs (especially voluntary ones, but outside influences too) affect your inner state. Easier to do, if you (I) love giving more than taking.

Cheers, sis. Love your strength. 👻😎♥️

I suppose I could better clarify what exactly it is that I do. It is more an inner intention.. I merely have a thought that I throw out to my body...

I believe that when we have intentions, we tend to accomplish them whenever possible. We think about what it is we wish to do, and the steps to do it. And we physically do those things.. Often times ignoring our own operating systems, and the energy spent within just trying to keep us going so we can do those outer things we desire.

So I "Think" to my body "If you can, somehow tell my cells, or dna that this or that needs attention, can you please rewrite that code temporarily to accomplish this task?" "Or whatever it is that you do, to keep me functioning in a proper manner, could you please look into this, and repair whatever is necessary?" And I express gratitude for the energy that my body uses daily to keep me well, without me ever having to think about such things...

Every living cell is a part of the whole, and is alive and living in a symbiotic way... So why not acknowledge those things?

I do many of the things listed all over this thread as well, I quiet my mind, meditate, etc.. And I believe all of it can do great things for a human being. All of the additions on this thread are so beautiful. Thank you everyone for putting them in words.

Whether it works or not? Well, it makes me feel better to know I am at the very least, trying to engage my body as a whole... Versus various individual parts that get ignored most of the time, but do so much for us.

[RunningDeer]

Healing is not always linear; sometimes, the most significant progress happens just after you push through your greatest challenges.




Have you noticed that when you face persistent health challenges, it's easy to become discouraged and feel like giving up, especially when progress seems slow or invisible?

The quote, “Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly,“ is a powerful reminder that the most profound transformations often occur at the darkest moments. In the realm of natural health and healing, this is particularly true. God has given your body an incredible ability to heal and regenerate, which is your self-healing mechanism. Still, the healing process often requires patience, faith, determination, and a deep commitment to giving your body what it needs to repair and heal, especially if you have been neglecting your health for a while.


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Healing is not always linear; sometimes, the most significant progress happens just after you push through your greatest challenges. When you choose to persevere through these tough times, trusting in the natural process, you will often emerge stronger, healthier, and more resilient than ever before.

The key is to continue nurturing your body with fresh, organic, plant-based foods, exercise, distilled water, detoxification, and a healthy mindset, and believe that, like the caterpillar, you are on the verge of a beautiful transformation. You will begin to experience a vibrant and healthy life. So, when it seems like the end, stay the course and never give up—it may very well be the beginning of something extraordinary!



In Health & Healing
Dr. Edward Group, DC
Founder | Global Healing Institute
www.globalhealinginstitute.org

[rgray222]

Most wouldn't believe me if I told them I had MS, and once had it so bad, I was falling over my own feet, and bought myself a wheelchair.. I took all the injections, ate all the pills, and decided enough of that..

The funny thing is, I don't know WHAT helped me come back from such a debilitating situation... But I began to think about the body, how our dna is programmed, how the codes do things, and I began to wonder if I told my dna to tell my body to repair itself, could it be possible that it may work?

I changed many things in my life, stopped working, which was making me sicker faster.. I changed my diet, and added physical therapy, against doctors orders... I began doing more light exercises than I had previously, and kept telling my body to tell my cells to repair the damage.

I still have MS, but it no longer has me.. I do not know what worked, and maybe it was a combination of all of it, and positive thinking? But SOMETHING WORKED....

I am very careful now, not to ignore my body when it speaks to me.. I still don't drink enough water... But I do take much better care of myself now... And While I am much older now, than I was when I first began to go downhill quickly? I got my life back in a very dramatic way..

Much like speaking to a houseplant? I do think it helped. I would never have thought that the body would react internally to thought, or to talking to it directly... But why wouldn't it? People respond to you talking to them, it lifts their mood, and gives them a sense of wellbeing... But our genetics and cells actually are capable of doing things within the body...

Just thought I would throw this out there.. At that point in my life, I figured it couldn't hurt.. To make an attempt to "Give the helper agents in the body a little direction"

What a wonderful and insightful story. Most people are not that tuned in to understand that thought is the genesis of everything that happens in our lives. Nothing constructive is created and nothing moves forward without thought first. I too had a recent similar experience. I changed several things in my life especially my attitude about the illness. I loved your wording.....I can also say that I still have the illness but it certainly does not have me.

Contrary to what many people say thought and prayer are two of the most powerful things we can do as humans.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Back in the day, when I was young, I was told I had to choose a profession. After careful consideration, I decided I would not do what I love for money because I would learn to hate it if I had to create to survive. So woodworking and writing were out. But without those two there was absolutely nothing else I wanted to do for a hundred thousand hours. I drifted, dropped out of university, and went to work for a hardware store. Eventually, electrician fell in my lap. That's how I got my profession, I just lucked into it. I would come home from a gruelling day on the job, and if I could summon enough energy, I would do what I love, writing and woodworking.

I have not loved this life for a long time now, since my mid thirties. But I did keep up my loves: wrote seven books, three books of poems, and made all my own furniture in my home.

Getting old cannot come fast enough for me.

I've wanted out for a long time now but my health is faultless. I've waited for the signs of aging that never seem to arrive. At fifty I realized I could no longer run without falling over. So I determined to change that. Now, I can outrun a young man in a sprint. My strength is not waning, instead, seems to be increasing. I really worried I might live forever.

Then I realized I was looking for the wrong signs. I am relieved to report that I am getting old. For me it is my teeth. They are simply falling out of my face for seemingly no reason. I can barely eat anything solid anymore. I don't like to go out in case I might have to eat in sight of friends. It is embarrassing.

I can still work, so I do. I refused to save any money so I cannot retire like everyone else. My trade did not take care of me. I just finished collecting the little pension I had accrued over forty five years - less than ten thousand!

So for me old age is just a waiting game. I am not at all scared to die and although I do not wish it, I hope it won't be much longer a wait. I do not want to fall apart to the point where I need someone else to wipe my bum. How demeaning and selfish that is. I don't want to be a burden to anyone, and if the time comes, I will walk out in the middle of a snowstorm never to return instead of becoming an invalid.

Old age is an insult and just reinforces my contention that this life has been a waste of time.
It has held no value to me, except for the connections I have made with others and the life on this planet.
The love was worth it, the pain and suffering were not.

[lake]

Well Ernie .... you describe my life and I will also take a "walk" when I feel it is time!

A quote or two ....


It has always felt more like I got on the wrong train and rather than visiting a woodland retreat, I ended up in the middle of a gang infested, prostitute addled, gray decaying city full of dead hearted photocopies of awareness which enjoy consuming their own!
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92346-A-conversation-regarding-suicide.&p=1087500&viewfull=1#post1087500


Thing is at the time that I decide is correct....I wont need affirmations nor any chanting.......I will just take a walk.
No one will find this body of mine, no one will be able to interfere with my leaving.
It will be by my will.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92346-A-conversation-regarding-suicide.&p=1087577&viewfull=1#post1087577

[RunningDeer]

Back in the day, when I was young, I was told I had to choose a profession. After careful consideration, I decided I would not do what I love for money because I would learn to hate it if I had to create to survive. So woodworking and writing were out. But without those two there was absolutely nothing else I wanted to do for a hundred thousand hours. I drifted, dropped out of university, and went to work for a hardware store. Eventually, electrician fell in my lap. That's how I got my profession, I just lucked into it. I would come home from a gruelling day on the job, and if I could summon enough energy, I would do what I love, writing and woodworking.

I have not loved this life for a long time now, since my mid thirties. But I did keep up my loves: wrote seven books, three books of poems, and made all my own furniture in my home.

Getting old cannot come fast enough for me.

I've wanted out for a long time now but my health is faultless. I've waited for the signs of aging that never seem to arrive. At fifty I realized I could no longer run without falling over. So I determined to change that. Now, I can outrun a young man in a sprint. My strength is not waning, instead, seems to be increasing. I really worried I might live forever.

Then I realized I was looking for the wrong signs. I am relieved to report that I am getting old. For me it is my teeth. They are simply falling out of my face for seemingly no reason. I can barely eat anything solid anymore. I don't like to go out in case I might have to eat in sight of friends. It is embarrassing.

I can still work, so I do. I refused to save any money so I cannot retire like everyone else. My trade did not take care of me. I just finished collecting the little pension I had accrued over forty five years - less than ten thousand!

So for me old age is just a waiting game. I am not at all scared to die and although I do not wish it, I hope it won't be much longer a wait. I do not want to fall apart to the point where I need someone else to wipe my bum. How demeaning and selfish that is. I don't want to be a burden to anyone, and if the time comes, I will walk out in the middle of a snowstorm never to return instead of becoming an invalid.

Old age is an insult and just reinforces my contention that this life has been a waste of time.
It has held no value to me, except for the connections I have made with others and the life on this planet.
The love was worth it, the pain and suffering were not.



https://i.imgur.com/iAECADL.gif Wow!, Ernie, power post!

Same here…my biggest fear is the day I’m unable to care for myself. It’s one of the reasons I explore and experiment with alternative ways to live a quality life right up to the end.

One driver in my life is to break out of the overlay(s) designed to cap our vitality and duration. My sense is it'll be sooner than later for those that prove for themselves there's nothing that keeps them down. Nothing...

I'm still working out how to cover the costs to live on the planet. What keeps me grounded is recall of the countless times solution(s) came clear the exact moment when due or effected or realized or perfected. https://i.imgur.com/JC4ll0L.gif

Another project is discovering the 'how to' naturally lift off into the next exciting voyage with an expanded heart and gratitude for the experiences I've attained.

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[Harmony]

I like to hear others thoughts, because I think so many things go through our minds that pull us in different directions, and make no real sense. Why does this world seem like such a blessing sometimes and other times the things that can go on here are the deepest, darkest and worse than anything you could imagine that can rip one's heart apart when thinking about it?


This morning one of my cared for orphaned wallabies (small kangaroo species) died. His mother who was sick dropped him off near the front gate of the house and stayed with him for a few days as she passed. Another little orphaned girl wallaby took him under her care and watched over him and kept him company. That was four years ago. This winter has been very wet and cold and he was not well but eating and living to his utmost last night, but I knew he wasn't himself and this morning he was in the barn and he didn't wake up. In turn over the years he befriended other orphaned wallabies and they all helped each other. These kind of situations, through hard times, can we find our way home? Is this the dark valley we are walking through and still keep our heart flowing with the force of Love, stay connected, and become stronger no matter what is in the "dark valley"?


I think many on PA have honed their skills because they have become "more" because they recognise what the "darkness" is not, what it lacks and have to become the light themselves.:heart:

[RunningDeer]

This morning one of my cared for orphaned wallabies (small kangaroo species) died. His mother who was sick dropped him off near the front gate of the house and stayed with him for a few days as she passed. Another little orphaned girl wallaby took him under her care and watched over him and kept him company. That was four years ago. This winter has been very wet and cold and he was not well but eating and living to his utmost last night, but I knew he wasn't himself and this morning he was in the barn and he didn't wake up. In turn over the years he befriended other orphaned wallabies and they all helped each other. These kind of situations, through hard times, can we find our way home?



Godspeed, Breezy. Tender doings in the wallaby community. A beautiful example of innate love and tenderness of creation.


I like to hear others thoughts, because I think so many things go through our minds that pull us in different directions, and make no real sense. Why does this world seem like such a blessing sometimes and other times the things that can go on here are the deepest, darkest and worse than anything you could imagine that can rip one's heart apart when thinking about it?


Is this the dark valley we are walking through and still keep our heart flowing with the force of Love, stay connected, and become stronger no matter what is in the "dark valley”?



I think many on PA have honed their skills because they have become "more" because they recognise what the "darkness" is not, what it lacks and have to become the light themselves.



The energies have felt heavy for the last couple of months. I have to be diligent in not naming it as my own. I’m of the belief that everything is being thrown at us because it’s the last attempts of darkness to survive in a changing era of light.

In the meantime, while the evolution of great change continues through us and across the cosmos, part of what I do is watch for thoughts, feelings, fears that come up and see what’s real and what’s projected by their dying technology.

At our core, we’re love and heart. Our creator aspect grows stronger with time spent there. All the false data and twisted wiring shorts out. The new blossoms. Love expressed like we were incapable of before. Freedom of creativity busts loose. Creations birth and flourish.

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https://i.imgur.com/p7537az.jpg

[Harmony]

RunningDeer, thank you for my Wallaby "Breezy's" Goodspeed thought :rose:. I had prayers for him and he is now in the forest near his mother :heart:. Watching nature brings sadness, joy, and understanding of our own lives.



I so love how you expressed our true self and our journey:




At our core, we’re love and heart. Our creator aspect grows stronger with time spent there. All the false data and twisted wiring shorts out. The new blossoms. Love expressed like we were incapable of before. Freedom of creativity busts loose. Creations birth and flourish.:heart:

[Bill Ryan]

I suspect there's inspiration to be found in many diverse places, for those who may be having a challenging day and might feel they need some encouragement for a few moments. Some stories are about overcoming personal emotional obstacles, while others are about overcoming physical ones.

One of the things that I've embedded within myself for many years now is never to succumb to societal expectations about what one can and can't do — at any age at all. :)

I don't want to take this too much off-topic, but I was inspired myself this morning with this new mountaineering story, which rather amazed me. I knew of these two climbers, who are well-known and hugely well-loved and respected, but OMG, I never knew they were still so active.

https://explorersweb.com/veteran-climbers-fowler-and-saunders-bag-another-alpine-style-first
(https://explorersweb.com/veteran-climbers-fowler-and-saunders-bag-another-alpine-style-first)
Veteran Climbers Fowler and Saunders Bag Another Himalayan First Ascent

Here they are, Mick Fowler (68, left) and Vic Saunders (74, right). They've been climbing together for 37 years, always with successes that surprised and impressed everyone.

https://explorersweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Mick-Fowler-and-Victor-Saunders-on-the-summit-of-Yawash-Sar.jpg

And here's what they climbed. (With a combined age of 142, that's why I was impressed. :))

https://explorersweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/The-north-west-face-of-Yawash-Sar-700x394.jpg

The moral of the story: never let anyone's beliefs, especially your own, decide what your limitations may be.

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[HopSan]

Thanks all above, I selected points I sense have a common deep theme:

Denise:

> I don't know WHAT helped me come back from such a debilitating situation...

My late wife had a bad situation (cancer). Despite anything I told her,
some very, very deep conviction (family, media?) held her in a 'fatalistic' mood.

In that mood, her 'spirit' did not help her body.

Your spirit had another opinion!


Ernie:

> I've wanted out for a long time now but my health is faultless. ...
>
> this life has been a waste of time. It has held no value to me ...

If, (IF!), we are here to show our character, time here is not wasted.

Perhaps we are here to show much -- and learn a little bit!


RunningDeer:

> My biggest fear is the day I’m unable to care for myself.

Fate works strangely. My experience, until this day, has been
that the UNEXPECTED support that we lack comes when needed.

I have done this (unknowingly) to others, and others have done this to me.
Unexpected, undeserved. When done, they soon get distanced.


Harmony:

> Why does this world seem like such a blessing sometimes ...

It is! Without some sweet beauty, sometimes, somewhere, we all
would lose all hope very soon.