Transition into Trump

[BongoBob]

Jill Stein Suspiciously Wants Recount
Only In States Won By Trump
(Published on Nov 25, 2016)


A curious post I found relating to this re-count-



Original Post (https://voat.co/v/news/1438990)

Most of the voting machines used in Wisconsin are the hardware and software of Dominion Voting Systems. This page from the Government of Wisconsin lists them by location - - http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/page/179/voting_equipment_by_municipality_09_2016_pdf_19011.pdf

... Dominion Voting Systems is closely associated with ... The Clinton Foundation. The two corporations are currently Linked up & operating an Overseas Project together

They are partnering with one another in something called the Delian Project, an effort to supply other nations with voting machines.

CLICK ON THE CLINTON FOUNDATION WEBSITE AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF - - >

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology

How close are these two corporate Boards of Directors? Sure the executives meet and talk with one another - after all, the Delian project is a 2.25 million $ dollar enterprise - and clearly the two organizations' executives make plans with one another, but do they play golf or party together?


Zero Hedge --> New Evidence Links Voting Machines and Clinton Foundation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-27/new-evidence-links-voting-machines-and-clinton-foundation)




"In 2014, Dominion Voting committed to providing emerging and post-conflict democracies with access to voting technology through its philanthropic support to the DELIAN Project, as many emerging democracies suffer from post-electoral violence due to the delay in the publishing of election results." - Clinton Foundation



Fortune Article: Watch This Security Researcher Hack a Voting Machine (http://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-watch-video-cylance)
Researchers at cybersecurity startup Cylance said they were able to hack into the Sequoia AVC Edge Mk1, used to count votes in states including California, Florida, and New Jersey, and change the final tally it produced.

In Cylance’s hacking demonstration, researchers were able to alter the memory of the machine as well as the paper trail it created to change vote counts and precinct records. To pull off the hack, the researchers slipped in a custom PC memory card that overwrote software embedded on the device. (The company said it wouldn’t release more specific details about the attack “for election integrity reasons.”)

Stuart McClure, CEO of Cylance, said the problem likely extends beyond this model to “anything that uses a touch screen and compact flash model,” referring to the machine’s design. Asked about the likelihood of such an attack on election day, he said, “we don’t have the threat intelligence to say it is going to happen, but we know it is quite easy and possible to do.”

Cylance said it had notified Dominion Voting Systems (née Sequoia), the voting machine’s maker, and government authorities about the threat. Cyclance said that it had spoken with the government, but had not heard back from Dominion.


Seems to me to be a large conflict of interest, regardless of whether Dominion Voting machines are easily capable of modifying the tally in multiple ways.

Though at the same time, the list of states their machines were used in does not include Michigan or Pennsylvania, which Stein has also requested audits in. May be some sort of attempt to re-gain some foothold, or to start some offensive along the lines of "Well if these were so off, then maybe some other states should be re-investigated"

[turiya]

Jill Stein Suspiciously Wants Recount
Only In States Won By Trump
(Published on Nov 25, 2016)


A curious post I found relating to this re-count-



Original Post (https://voat.co/v/news/1438990)

Most of the voting machines used in Wisconsin are the hardware and software of Dominion Voting Systems. This page from the Government of Wisconsin lists them by location - - http://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/page/179/voting_equipment_by_municipality_09_2016_pdf_19011.pdf

... Dominion Voting Systems is closely associated with ... The Clinton Foundation. The two corporations are currently Linked up & operating an Overseas Project together

They are partnering with one another in something called the Delian Project, an effort to supply other nations with voting machines.

CLICK ON THE CLINTON FOUNDATION WEBSITE AND SEE IT FOR YOURSELF - - >

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology

How close are these two corporate Boards of Directors? Sure the executives meet and talk with one another - after all, the Delian project is a 2.25 million $ dollar enterprise - and clearly the two organizations' executives make plans with one another, but do they play golf or party together?


Zero Hedge --> New Evidence Links Voting Machines and Clinton Foundation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-27/new-evidence-links-voting-machines-and-clinton-foundation)




"In 2014, Dominion Voting committed to providing emerging and post-conflict democracies with access to voting technology through its philanthropic support to the DELIAN Project, as many emerging democracies suffer from post-electoral violence due to the delay in the publishing of election results." - Clinton Foundation



Fortune Article: Watch This Security Researcher Hack a Voting Machine (http://fortune.com/2016/11/04/voting-machine-hack-watch-video-cylance)
Researchers at cybersecurity startup Cylance said they were able to hack into the Sequoia AVC Edge Mk1, used to count votes in states including California, Florida, and New Jersey, and change the final tally it produced.

In Cylance’s hacking demonstration, researchers were able to alter the memory of the machine as well as the paper trail it created to change vote counts and precinct records. To pull off the hack, the researchers slipped in a custom PC memory card that overwrote software embedded on the device. (The company said it wouldn’t release more specific details about the attack “for election integrity reasons.”)

Stuart McClure, CEO of Cylance, said the problem likely extends beyond this model to “anything that uses a touch screen and compact flash model,” referring to the machine’s design. Asked about the likelihood of such an attack on election day, he said, “we don’t have the threat intelligence to say it is going to happen, but we know it is quite easy and possible to do.”

Cylance said it had notified Dominion Voting Systems (née Sequoia), the voting machine’s maker, and government authorities about the threat. Cyclance said that it had spoken with the government, but had not heard back from Dominion.


Seems to me to be a large conflict of interest, regardless of whether Dominion Voting machines are easily capable of modifying the tally in multiple ways.

Though at the same time, the list of states their machines were used in does not include Michigan or Pennsylvania, which Stein has also requested audits in. May be some sort of attempt to re-gain some foothold, or to start some offensive along the lines of "Well if these were so off, then maybe some other states should be re-investigated"

Thank you, BongoBob. Interesting - what you've posted.

Yes, I have also heard, despite the information that has come out saying that George Soros' machines are being used in 17 States (Michigan being one), for some reason or other, Michigan did not use electronic voting machines this most recent election. I believe it was Paul Joseph Watson (Infowars) that had stated that. The deadline for petitioning a recount in Michigan goes til Wednesday... There were other States where the margin of victory was more narrowed - in States where Clinton had won. But somehow, no request for a recount was considered with these States... go figure...
:)
I have a sense that this attempt to oppose a Donald Trump Presidency from occuring will not go anywhere - it will fail... The man seems to be protected somehow... Anyways, will have to see how & where it all goes from here.


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The Green Party scam to fill up their coffers by asking for impossible recounts is now being joined by the badly defeated & demoralized Dems

4:31 PM - 26 Nov 2016
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The Democrats, when they incorrectly thought they were going to win, asked that the election night tabulation be accepted. Not so anymore!

7:59 PM - 26 Nov 2016
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Hillary Clinton conceded the election when she called me just prior to the victory speech and after the results were in. Nothing will change

4:19 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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Hillary's debate answer on delay: "That is horrifying. That is not the way our democracy works. Been around for 240 years. We've had free -

4:55 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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and fair elections. We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them, and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a -

5:01 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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during a general election. I, for one, am appalled that somebody that is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind --

5:08 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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of position." Then, separately she stated, "He said something truly horrifying ... he refused to say that he would respect the results of --

5:18 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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this election. That is a direct threat to our democracy." She then said, "We have to accept the results and look to the future, Donald --

5:23 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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Trump is going to be our President. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." So much time and money will be spent - same result! Sad

5:29 AM - 27 Nov 2016
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In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally

12:30 PM - 27 Nov 2016
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It would have been much easier for me to win the so-called popular vote than the Electoral College in that I would only campaign in 3 or 4--

12:34 PM - 27 Nov 2016
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states instead of the 15 states that I visited. I would have won even more easily and convincingly (but smaller states are forgotten)!

12:41 PM - 27 Nov 2016
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Serious voter fraud in Virginia, New Hampshire and California - so why isn't the media reporting on this? Serious bias - big problem!

4:31 PM - 27 Nov 2016
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RADDATZ: And now let's bring in Donald Trump's senior adviser and former campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway.

Kellyanne, President-elect Trump said in his statement about Fidel Castro's that his administration will do all it can to ensure the Cuban people can finally begin their journey toward prosperity and liberty.

But he's also promised to reverse President Obama's opening to Cuba.

How will ending diplomatic relations and pulling American businesses out help achieve prosperity and liberty?

CONWAY: Martha, first, thanks for having me.

So what President-elect Trump was saying yesterday is that the first priority that he has is to make sure those political prisoners under Fidel Castro are

And that the people of Cuba finally, after 60 years of oppression, know economic and political and religious freedom.

He is open to researching and, in fact, resetting relations with Cuba.

But his criticism of what has happened in the last couple of years is very simple, it's that we got nothing in return, that by reopening diplomatic relations with Cuba, allowing commercial aircraft and the rest, that we really got nothing in return. And we didn't get those political prisoners

We did not get assurances that Cubans who still live on the island would, in fact, be religiously, and politically and economically free.

We also respect the thousands and hundreds of thousands of Cubans who live here who fled that oppression, fled that poverty, fled who they believed to be a dictator. And as Ted Cruz said -- is saying on your program, has 60 years of blood on his hands.

And we just can't romanticize Fidel Castro now that he's gone. We have to take a look at the way he ran his country in direct opposition to the freedom and the democracy that we have here in the United States.

So it's much like Donald Trump on trade -- you don't just give up everything and get nothing in return. I think that's very clear in the president-elect's message across any number of issues.

RADDATZ: But he has to get all of that in return or he reverses the opening?

CONWAY: He hasn't said that. And he's open -- again, I've discussed this with him directly. He's open to any number of possibilities. But we remain very firm that when you open up diplomatic relations, as President Obama has, with Cuba and Fidel Castro in the last several years, that to get nothing in return, including political prisoners and assurances that people on the island of Cuba will be free politically and economically -- I mean, I've personally met, and I'm sure you have, victims of Fidel Castro's oppression and his torture and his imprisonment.

I, many years ago, was very touched as a young girl, meeting Armando Valladares, who then went on to write a book against all hope in a movie, made on the book. And that's just one example of many. We all have friends, I'm sure, who have those stories of Cubans, coming in the dead of night with $20 in their pocket, and children strapped into a boat, trying to come to the free land 60 miles away.

And they indeed have done that. So to the extent that -- to the extent that President Trump can open up new conversations with Cuba it would have to be a very different Cuba.

And again, he is all about America first -- American workers, American interests, Americans, American allies and certainly Americans.

And in that regard, he wants to make sure that when the United States of America, when he's president, engages in any type of diplomatic relations or trade agreements, for that matter, and the like, that we as America are being protected and we as America are getting something in return.

RADDATZ: Kellyanne, I want to -- I want to turn to the personnel this week. You waded into the Cabinet selection process with some tweets this week concerning Governor Mitt Romney, saying, you're receiving a deluge of social media and private communications about Romney.

Some Trump loyalists warn against him as secretary of state, adding later that being loyal was an important quality for the job.

Why did you weigh in on Governor Romney?

CONWAY: I weigh in privately. First of all, let me make very clear, Martha, that there's one person who will select his Cabinet and it's President-Elect Donald Trump. Whatever he decides will have my full support and respect. And he knows that, as does Vice President-Elect Pence.

I think that there was the Never Trump movement and then there was Governor Mitt Romney. He went out of his way to hurt Donald Trump. He gave two speeches that I can recall in this calendar year and they were both about Donald Trump.

As McMullin ran in the state of Utah for president, we don't know who Mitt Romney voted for.

But apart from that, look, I'm glad they're talking. I've been very -- I've been critical of Mitt Romney in the past and I also, last week, on your network and other places, talked about how I was very pleased that the president-elect and Mitt Romney -- Governor Romney had met out at Bedminster.

I was there when they met. I'm glad that two job creators, who also have the very rare privilege of having represented their Republican Party as its presidential nominee --

(CROSSTALK)

RADDATZ: But I -- don't understand why you took to Twitter on this, why you, Kellyanne Conway, took to Twitter on this.

Why not go to Mr. Trump?
Did he want you to tweet that?
Or is that just you talking?

CONWAY: I won't discuss that.

But I will tell you that I've already weighed in privately because I've been asked to.

First of all, it's Donald Trump who's going to form his Cabinet. But I did want to say something else. You know, this is Trump's party now. And he won states that Mitt Romney lost. He's the one with the political instincts, the brilliance. This is his Cabinet to form. I mean, he won Michigan. Mitt Romney lost it by 10.

We won Pennsylvania. Mitt Romney lost Iowa by, I don't know, 5 points or so. We won it by 9. We won Ohio. And so I just think that the political instincts -- and it wasn't just -- I only wish Governor Romney had been as critical of Hillary Clinton and her policy positions.

I'm all for party unity. I'm a big party unity person. And look what Donald Trump's done. He's got Nikki Haley in the Cabinet, a U.N. ambassador, daughter of Indian immigrants.

He's met with Ted Cruz. He's taken calls from Mitt Romney, from Jeb Bush, from John Kasich, from Carly Fiorina. I think party (ph) -- he's working with Speaker Ryan. Reince Priebus, the RNC chairman, is now his chief of staff, going into this new White House.

So we're all for party unity. I don't think a cost of admission for party unity has to be the secretary of state position.

RADDATZ: I want to turn to Hillary Clinton.

And when Mr. Trump says that he does not want to pursue investigations of Hillary Clinton, what does he mean by that?

Is he asking the FBI or the Justice Department to just stand down?

CONWAY: No, he's not. He respects the integrity of those institutions. And the next leaders of those institutions, when he's president, will do their jobs without the interference of the executive branch and the President of the United States.

At the same time, President -- President-Elect Trump is being very magnanimous. What he said to "The New York Times" in the on-the-record interview was that he's just not focused on that right now. He's not focused on Hillary Clinton and prosecuting --

(CROSSTALK)

RADDATZ: Well, did he overstep his role by making those public comments?

Should he have been making public comments about that?

CONWAY: He's welcome to. He's the president-elect. He's about to be the leader of the free world. And -- but he is not undercutting anybody's authority in any of those branches -- any of those positions.

Martha, as you and I can know and respect, different people will have the authority and the autonomy to make those decisions, based on the evidence presented to them.

But this is how the president-elect feels at this moment about Hillary Clinton. I would say, in response that, I guess her attitude towards that is to have her counsel, Mark Elias, go and join this ridiculously fantastical recount that Jill Stein is engaging in in Wisconsin and perhaps elsewhere.

So you've got the President-Elect, Donald Trump, being quite magnanimous to Hillary Clinton and you've got her responding with joining into this recount which Jill Stein has --

(CROSSTALK)

RADDATZ: And he's tweeted about half a dozen times, I think.

Why is he tweeting so much about that recount?

CONWAY: Well, he's able to weigh in. He has probably 30 million followers on Facebook and Twitter, fought for him, weighing in on issues like that, on that platform. Perhaps many of his followers would never hear the full information.

But I guess the real question is, why in the world can't the Democrats, quote, "accept" the election results?

All they did was ask people like me and Mr. Trump himself six ways to Sundays (sic), a million times plus, Martha, will you accept the election results?

Why, at the last debate in Las Vegas, did Mr. Trump say that he'll keep us in suspense, to let us know, he'll accept the election result if he wins?

And now you've got Hillary Clinton who, on election night, Martha, called Donald Trump to both congratulate him and to concede the election to him?

I was standing right there. Mr. Trump was on my phone with her. I didn't hear him say, well, Secretary Clinton just conceded but she said, unless, of course, 2.5 weeks from now Jill Stein, who got less than 1 percent of the vote nationwide, decides that she should issue a recount, raise 7 million bucks and go have a recount in Wisconsin?

Jill Stein got 33,000 votes in Wisconsin. Mr. Trump got 1.4 million; 33,000 votes is like the number of people who tailgate at a Packers game. It is not a serious effort to change the election results.

So the question for the Democrats is, why are you doing this?

And by the way, what does President Obama think of this recount charade?

He has eight weeks left to finish his -- to finish out his term. And I think it's quite small of Jill Stein and Hillary Clinton's counsel -- and perhaps her -- to interfere with the last eight weeks of President Obama's legacy.

President Obama and President-Elect Trump speak regularly. They spoke yesterday at length. They're trying to move on and form a government. It's high time that Hillary and her supporters do the same.

RADDATZ: OK. We're going to have to leave it there. Thanks very much, Kellyanne Conway.

CONWAY: Thank you, Martha.

SOURCE (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-kellyanne-conway-sen-bernie-sanders/story?id=43794499)


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Ted Cruz Shields Trump From Snipes Coming
From ABC News' Martha Raddatz - 11/27/16
(Published on Nov 27, 2016)

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Rare misread from a guy w/ sharp instincts. While we're here, @davidaxelrod (https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod), does @POTUS (https://twitter.com/POTUS) approve recount after asking Hillary to concede?






David Axelrod @davidaxelrod
I meant "to" box the boss in. Either way, it's remarkable. I wonder if @realDonaldTrump appreciates being manipulated in public like this?

4:19 PM - 27 Nov 2016





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[Cidersomerset]

I have not been on the site much over the past few days and have been listening to
this weeks payday which was 15hrs over Sat/sun. Its impossible to present their
info unless you follow the show and material and can get into their frequency which
is chaotic at times. Anyway among many mentions of the Trump presidency were
that, the Jill Stein recount will fail and if they persist it will show Trump won
popular vote as well. Although he has said he will not prosecute Hillary himself , it
does not mean someone else will not. Cuba US ties will strengthen now Fidel has
passed and Raul is off to Bermuda apparently , although that may have been
a metaphor that he is leaving office ?

Trump will stay in NY until the swamp is drained , and when he does go to
Washington it will be a rebuilt White house ? Again not sure if this is the physical
building or another metaphor. There were lots of other references all Trump
positive so it sounds positive. He does have a chat with Eben Ray who was upset
last week with the Hillary defeat. But after this conversation with Ion she is much
more optimistic , she has two segments spread over the last 2 hours of the show
on link below. They also discuss the alien craft the size of Texas is on its way to
Earth which will arrive during the Trump presidency... On a ' Greet & Meet ' visit...WTF...LOL

http://achieveradio.com/payday/

Bill formally of information farm does post some of the interviews over the following
week so if he does a Trump or Eben collage I'l post later. I don't expect any of you
to take this info as gospel,but it is very interesting to me as I have been following
them since 2009....

I think Ebens question was about the alleged alien super structure ? I cannot
remember whether that was really a craft or its a separate one ?

g0ySX1Jz7eE

This will only be relevant to this thread if they do turn up while the Donald is in
office. It sounds ridiculous but after this year so far who knows ? Also David
Icke has been saying since well before 2012 , when he said he saw nothing
happening then,but did point to 2016/7/8 as being pivotal and is why he embarked
on his open ended world tour starting earlier in the year...

This is not to be confused with a possible false ET event....

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One can still hope for the best... it usually happens in Threes


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Roger Stone On Mitt Romney, Jill Stein And Clinton Indictment....


Roger Stone On Mitt Romney,
Jill Stein And Clinton Indictment
(Published on Nov 27, 2016)

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David Knight (Infowars) raises some concern over Donald Trump's pick for the Department of Education... Betsy DeVos...


Trump's COMMON CORE Pick for Education
(Published on Nov 23, 2016)

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Trumps Latest Tweet:





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If Cuba is unwilling to make a better deal for the Cuban people, the Cuban/American people and the U.S. as a whole, I will terminate deal.

6:02 AM - 28 Nov 2016
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David Petraeus To Meet With Trump
As Possible Secretary Of State Pick (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/28/donald-trump-meets-david-petraeus-battle-secretary-state-heats/)

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David Petraeus by Charlie Spiering
28 Nov 2016
Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani? That appears to be the ongoing debate over President-elect Donald Trump’s options for Secretary of State in his administration.

But a third option is emerging, as former general and CIA director David Petraeus is expected to meet with Trump today, according to the Trump transition team.

Last week, Petraeus appeared willing to serve in the Trump administration during an interview with BBC radio.

“If you’re asked, you’ve got to serve – put aside any reservations based on campaign rhetoric … and figure out what’s best for the country,” he said (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38074177).

According to Trump transition sources speaking to Bloomberg News (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-28/trump-to-meet-with-petraeus-as-contender-for-secretary-of-state), Trump is considering Petraeus as Secretary of State. Trump transition officials confirmed with reporters that the president-elect would meet with Mitt Romney again on Tuesday, as well as Sen. Bob Corker, another rumored candidate for Secretary of State.

Petraeus successfully led the successful Iraq surge under President George W. Bush before President Barack Obama appointed him to direct the Central Intelligence Agency. He resigned from the Obama administration after he was caught sharing classified documents with his mistress Paula Broadwell who was also writing a book about him.

In 2013, Trump praised Petraeus after the scandal, urging him to move on with his career.

“General Petraeus should stop apologising and get on with his life,” he wrote on Twitter. “He is a good man and should have a great future.”




http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/316875144964489217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)





General Petraeus should stop apologising and get on with his life. He is a good man and should have a great future.

4:31 AM - 27 Mar 2013
Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/316875144964489217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


SOURCE (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/28/donald-trump-meets-david-petraeus-battle-secretary-state-heats/)

[turiya]

Confirmed: Trump Wins Michigan...

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/KELLYANNE_CONWAY_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/803336493469204481)





306. Landslide. Blowout. Historic.






CNN Politics @CNNPolitics
Donald Trump wins Michigan's 16 electoral votes, bringing the final electoral tally to Trump 306, Clinton 232 cnn.com/results

12:35 PM - 28 Nov 2016





Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/803336493469204481)



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SR #1365 – Hillary Clinton Can’t Possibly Win.
So Why Do It?
(Published on Nov 28, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-YaERkaUqU

[turiya]

Pat Seems Upset...


A Word To The Criminal Migrant
(Published on Nov 23, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e_vcSut0APublished on Nov 23, 2016

We’ve had enough. The tide is turning.

Multikultistan: A house of horrors for ordinary Germans
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/... (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295)

Germany descends into lawlessness. “We are losing control of the streets”
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/92...
(https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9229/germany-lawlessness)
German police union chief: “Migrants laugh at our justice system”.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/... (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/10/07/german-police-chief-migrants-laugh-justice/)

Mass sexual assault in Sweden covered up by the media.
http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-... (http://nyheteridag.se/exposing-major-pc-cover-up-in-sweden-leading-daily-dagens-nyheter-refused-to-write-about-cologne-like-sex-crimes-in-central-stockholm/)

Denmark allows migrants to break the law and keep child brides
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/... (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/29/denmark-allows-migrants-to-break-law-and-keep-child-brides/)

Germany imports child marriage
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/90... (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9078/germany-child-marriage)

Migrants masturbated in jacuzzi, defecated in pool
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/...
(http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/22/locals-fled-pool-after-migrants-masturbated-into-jacuzzi-defecated-into-kids-pool-molested-bathers/)
Migrants raped woman in wheelchair. Swedes have had enough.
https://acidmuncher.wordpress.com (https://acidmuncher.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/migrants-raped-woman-in-wheelchair-swedes-have-had-enough/)

Feminists and leftists respond to gang rape of woman in wheelchair with demonstration against racism
https://translate.google.com/translat... (http://madworldnews.com/migrants-rape-woman-wheelchair/)

Nearly half of Sweden’s women afraid to go out after dark
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/... (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/04/scared-sweden-almost-half-of-women-afraid-to-be-out-after-dark-in-europes-rape-capital/)

Austria: Migrant who raped boy in swimming pool has conviction overturned, as judges think he may have thought the boy consented
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wor... (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/iraqi-refugee-raped-10-year-old-boy-swimming-pool-vienna-austria-sentence-conviction-overturned-a7377491.html)

Female “No Borders” activist gang raped by Africans. Accused by fellow activists of reporting it out of spite.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/... (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/no-borders-activist-gang-raped-migrants-pressured-silence-not-damage-cause/)

Female mayor of Cologne offers “code of conduct” to women assaulted and raped by Muslim migrants
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/world... (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/12083921/Mayor-of-Cologne-urges-code-of-conduct-for-young-women-to-prevent-future-assaults.html)

Austria can’t deport 90% of failed asylum seekers, most of whom are unemployable
https://www.rt.com/news/363297-austri... (https://www.rt.com/news/363297-austria-cannot-deport-refugees/)

Only 13.7% of migrants are fleeing war
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/... (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/16/ngo-report-migrants-europe-fleeing-war/)

99% of migrants in Germany have no job
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/7... (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/710927/million-migrants-Germany-unemployed-Merkel-open-door-policy)

Asylum seekers sue Germany for not paying them benefits fast enough
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/6...
(http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/612015/Asylum-seekers-SUE-Germany-for-not-paying-them-benefits-FAST-ENOUGH)
Two thirds of migrant “children” entering the UK are adults
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/... (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/18/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-entering-uk-found-to-be-adults-figu/)

Pure hatred. Translator reveals that Muslim “refugees” want to Islamise Germany
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/... (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/11/17/pure-hatred-translator-reveals-how-muslim-refugees-want-to-islamize-germany.html)

You can download audio versions of all my videos at
http://patcondell.libsyn.com/ (http://patcondell.libsyn.com/)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's too late for a recount in Pennsylvania.


Pennsylvania State Department says Stein missed recount deadline

Jill Stein has everything she needs to launch a presidential recount. She's got the cash, the grassroots fervor and the spotlight of an adoring media. But there's one thing she needs to overturn Trump's victory: a calendar.

Stein missed Pennsylvania's deadline to file for a voter-initiated recount. That blown deadline is a huge blow for Democrats who have pinned their hopes on recounts in the Keystone State, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"According to Wanda Murren, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of State," the Philadelphia Inquirer reported Monday, "the deadline for a voter-initiated recount was Monday, Nov. 21."

To keep their hopes alive, Stein has mounted a legal challenge in an attempt to force a recount. While the chances of litigation are uncertain, the vote tally is clear. Trump beat Clinton in Pennsylvania, a feat not accomplished by a Republican since Ronald Reagan in 1984.

While it wasn't a landslide, it wasn't close either. Trump carried the state with 70,000 votes, a significant margin that will be hard to overcome.

And even if Stein manages a recount in Pennsylvania, nothing's guaranteed. Of the thousands of statewide races in the last 15 years, only 27 have been decided by recounts and only three challengers have pulled off an upset.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305

[turiya]

Trumps Latest Tweet:







http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803343150907617284)
Just met with General Petraeus--was very impressed!

1:01 PM - 28 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803343150907617284)

[Aurelius]

Pat Seems Upset...



though there is some truth to what he says in this video, looking into this chap, who appears to be a former stand-up comedian, his YouTube postings over the past 4yrs, mostly covering politics and religion, he appears to be disparaging in just about all of them.

[turiya]

It's too late for a recount in Pennsylvania.


Pennsylvania State Department says Stein missed recount deadline

Jill Stein has everything she needs to launch a presidential recount. She's got the cash, the grassroots fervor and the spotlight of an adoring media. But there's one thing she needs to overturn Trump's victory: a calendar.

Stein missed Pennsylvania's deadline to file for a voter-initiated recount. That blown deadline is a huge blow for Democrats who have pinned their hopes on recounts in the Keystone State, Michigan and Wisconsin.

"According to Wanda Murren, spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of State," the Philadelphia Inquirer reported Monday, "the deadline for a voter-initiated recount was Monday, Nov. 21."

To keep their hopes alive, Stein has mounted a legal challenge in an attempt to force a recount. While the chances of litigation are uncertain, the vote tally is clear. Trump beat Clinton in Pennsylvania, a feat not accomplished by a Republican since Ronald Reagan in 1984.

While it wasn't a landslide, it wasn't close either. Trump carried the state with 70,000 votes, a significant margin that will be hard to overcome.

And even if Stein manages a recount in Pennsylvania, nothing's guaranteed. Of the thousands of statewide races in the last 15 years, only 27 have been decided by recounts and only three challengers have pulled off an upset.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305

Oh yeah, and this just in (3pm)...


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Wisconsin Denies Request
For Recount By Hand
As Stein Threatens To Sue (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-28/wisconsin-denies-request-recount-hand-stein-threatens-sue)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Nov 28, 2016 3:00 PM
Finally, a voice of reason emerges in Wisconsin to combat Jill Stein's useless recount crusade. According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Wisconsin Elections Commission Chairman, Mark Thomsen, who happens to be Democrat, announced earlier that the committee would follow through with Stein's recount request but denied a request that the recount be conducted by hand. Thomsen cited a 2011 recount that changed the overall vote margin by 300 votes as evidence that the current recount would overturn Trump's 22,177 vote lead in the state.

Citing the results of a 2011 statewide recount that changed only 300 votes, Elections Commission chairman Mark Thomsen, a Democrat, said this presidential recount is very unlikely to change Republican Donald Trump's win in the state.

"It may not be 22,177," said Thomsen, referring to Trump's win over Democrat Hillary Clinton in the vote count. "But I don’t doubt that the president-elect is going to win that."

Thomsen dismissed Stein's claims of problems with the vote as unfounded and misleading. But he directed his toughest criticism to Trump's unsupported allegations that millions of people voted illegally nationwide, calling them "an insult to the people that run our elections."

Under the plan adopted Monday, the recount would begin Thursday and could cost $1 million. Of course, we assume that Stein didn't factor in the incremental costs associated with suing states that call her out for her ridiculous recount efforts. As such, she may need to raise some more money just as the flow of funds seem to have slowed to a trickle...we suspect Hillary supporters have finally caught on to the scam.

Here is the official timeline for the recount per the Wisconsin Election Commission:

Monday, cost estimates and vote tabulation method will be provided by county clerks to the commission by noon. Commission officials will provide estimated statewide costs to the campaigns of both Stein and De La Fuente by the end of the day.

Tuesday, the Stein, De La Fuente or both must pay for the recount. Once full payment is received, the commission will issue a recount order to all presidential candidates.

Wednesday, commission staff will hold a teleconference in the morning for all county clerks and canvass members to outline the process and rules of a recount. Since a 24-hour public meeting notice is required for the recount, each county must post its notice by Wednesday.

Thursday, recount begins in every Wisconsin county.

Dec. 12, all county canvass boards must be completed by 8 p.m.

Dec. 13, Elections Commission staff will prepare the official recount canvass certification by 3 p.m.

Meanwhile, this may all be a "best case scenario" for Stein who would get to pocket the $6.3mm raised so far if recount efforts are denied and she decides to walk away.

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-28/wisconsin-denies-request-recount-hand-stein-threatens-sue)

[turiya]

Pat Seems Upset...

though there is some truth to what he says in this video, looking into this chap, who appears to be a former stand-up comedian, his YouTube postings over the past 4yrs, mostly covering politics and religion, he appears to be disparaging in just about all of them.

Yes, Aurelius...

Pat Condell is a Brit...
It seems to me he is quite disgusted with the what the liberal politicians have allowed to take place in Europe over the recent years.
Isn't / wasn't this the reason behind the Brexit vote?

I know that Stefan Molyneux has published a video on what has happened in England (https://youtu.be/MpVi8TJ2RGw)- specifically London - where a Muslim had been elected mayor. Stefan grew up in London, and He feels that his days of returning there are done. No need to go back there.

You, I believe, are also a Brit... What is you take on what has been going on there?

In the Meanwhlle, I will post a Paul Craig Roberts piece he's posted on his blog (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/28/britain-down-the-drain-paul-craig-roberts/) recently...


The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/)

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Britain Down The Drain (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/28/britain-down-the-drain/#more-137330)
November 28, 2016
Guest Post by Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/11/28/britain-down-the-drain-paul-craig-roberts/)
Did you know that Great Britain is going down the drain because the citizens want to remain British?

Did you know that the British are inherently racist, jingoistic, bigots, and obnoxious because they don’t want to become Pakistanis, Syrians, Africans or some multicultural combination?

Did you know that the British people voted to leave the European Union not because they oppose their loss of sovereignty to a foreign and unelected power in Brussels, but because of their hatred and contempt of foreigners, especially the dark-skinned ones that the EU forces them to accept in unlimited numbers?

If you don’t know this, you are not stupid like Brian Cloughley, who lays it out for you in the website strategic-culture.org. Here is the URL for Cloughley’s imbecillic article: http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/21/britain-going-down-drain-racism-bigotry-growing.html (http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/11/21/britain-going-down-drain-racism-bigotry-growing.html)

While Cloughley calls the white British racists, last May these racists elected a Muslim, Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London. Can you imagine the Mayor of London, England, is a Muslim named Sadiq Khan? Either the British are not racists or the Pakistanis outnumber Englishmen in London, which might before long be renamed New Islamabad.

Cloughley calls the British people every name in the book and then upbraids them for “the racial abuse” of using words such as “Pakis” and “niggers.”

Cloughley, obviously a self-hating Britisher, reports that Brexit (the British people’s vote to restore their sovereignty by departing the EU) has caused hate crimes to rise by 41 percent. Why would departing the EU cause a rise in hate crimes?

Perhaps the answer is related to the fact that the use of traditional British words, such as “wog,” has been criminalized. “Wog” is a British word that according to the English Oxford Dictionaries means simply “a person who is not white.” Despite this innocent meaning, for a white Britisher to use this word as a description of a not white person or group can result in hate crime charges. What is most peculiar about politically correct speech is that political correctness itself marginalizes non-white people by eliminating the use of words that mean non-white. Political correctness has made it so shameful to be non-white that ordinary words such as negro and wog that mean a non-white person have been turned into slurs. How can non-whites have racial pride when words that mean non-white cannot even be used?

As Cloughley’s screed against the British people develops, we see that it is a brief against leaving the EU. As the EU was an OSS (original name of the CIA) initiative, Cloughley, knowingly or unknowingly, is serving as a CIA asset.

Cloughley is at perfect ease calling his fellow British every hateful name, seemingly impervious to the fact that if he were not calling white people names he would be committing hate crimes.

In addition to their loss of sovereignty to an unelected EU commission sitting in a foreign country, what the British people are objecting to is that they have been made second class citizens in their own country. White people in Great Britain have to be very careful about what words they use to describe illegal and legal aliens or they can be charged with “hate crimes” for employing vocabulary formerly used by prime ministers themselves.

Yes, Britain is going down the drain. But not because it is trying to rescue itself at this late date from loss of sovereignty and multicultural hell. Britain is going to hell because, judging by the closeness of the Brexit vote, almost half of the British population have been so brainwashed that they are ashamed to be British.

SOURCE (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/28/britain-down-the-drain/#more-137330)


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ITALY: Police force elderly Hotel Owner
to house African Illegal Immigrants on his Property
(Published on Nov 18, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgxvQXunMmU

[Cidersomerset]

This will be an intelligence meme that will be repeated in the mainstream media.

CIA NN had to get the " A sign he is unwilling to drop his penchant for conspiracy
theories now that he is President elect " , in this article.


Trump claims fraud cost him popular vote

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Published on 29 Nov 2016


President-elect Donald Trump alleged, without evidence, that "millions of people"
voted illegally for Hillary Clinton and otherwise he would have won the popular vote.

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Alex is right in this piece as he says the Trump victory does not mean the
fight against TPTB , globalists and other groups that really run the world is
over.....

Left Moves to Invoke 25th Amendment

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Published on 28 Nov 2016

In their latest last gasp effort the left are trying to suggest that Donald Trump
is unfit to serve as president. It seems that the cognitive dissonance of losing
the election might actually be driving them insane instead!

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'Hour of Populists': MSM demonizes right-wing politicians, labels their success as dangerous trend

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Published on 29 Nov 2016

Donald Trump will be the next US president, while former UK Independence party
leader Nigel Farage played a major role in Brexit. Marine Le Pen is running in the
French Presidential election in 2017, while Frauke Peatry, with her Alternative for
Germany party, is also gaining supporters. And, Norbert Hofer from Austria's
Freedom Party has a good chance of winning a re-run of the Presidential election in
the country next month.

[Cidersomerset]

I posted this on the WW111 thread and I think its appropriate here as well ?

It shows how out of touch and the puppet nature of the EU , dominated by
corporate interests just like Washington DC....Also why Trump acknowledges
Nigel Farage's efforts over Brexit.

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This article is unbelievable ( no its not unfortunately ) This is why the EU is just
a corporate puppet. What he is now saying is bleeding obvious and should have
been policy anyway.....


WHAT A PLONKER !! Mr. Juncker WTF......

The current President is Jean-Claude Juncker, who took office on 1 November 2014.
He is a member of the European People's Party (EPP) and is the former Prime
Minister of Luxembourg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Commission


Obama calling Russia 'regional power' was big error – EC head Juncker

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Published on 28 Nov 2016

Outgoing US President Obama made a big mistake calling Russia a “regional
power,” the European Commission chief said in an interview. Europe, instead,
should treat Russia as “one big entity and a proud nation,” and there is a lot to
learn about it.

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Again Nigel and others have been telling us for decades.....



Nigel Farage: Stop playing wargames with Putin

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Published on 16 Sep 2014

Descriptionhttp://www.ukipmeps.org | @Nigel_Farage
• European Parliament, Strasbourg, 16 September 2014

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An EU Army to face Russia? Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Juncker? - Nigel Farage

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Published on 11 Mar 2015

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• European Parliament, Strasbourg, 11 March 2015

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Juncker vs. Farage: The final battle

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Published on 28 Jun 2016

“I’m surprised that you are here. You were fighting for the exit. The British people
voted for the exit. Why are you here?” European Commission President Jean-Claude
Juncker said on Tuesday (28 June) in Strasbourg.

Juncker addressed MEPs at the European Parliament for the first time after the
United Kingdom chose to leave the European Union in a referendum on Thursday (23 June).

UKIP leader Nigel Farage also delivered a speech, in which he reminded MEPs that
he started leading the Brexit campaign 17 years ago.

“When I came here 17 years ago and I said that I wanted to lead a campaign to get
Britain to leave the EU, you all laughed at me. I have to say you’re not laughing
now, are you?” the UKIP leader said.

“Virtually none of you have ever done a proper job in your lives or worked in
business or worked in trade or indeed ever created a job,” he added

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Juncker’s DESPERATE plea: Don’t hold any more referendums as voters will choose
to LEAVE.JEAN-CLAUDE JUNCKER has begged EU leaders not to hold in-out
referendums because he fears it will backfire and voters will choose to LEAVE.

By Rebecca Perring & David Maddox
PUBLISHED: 17:56, Mon, Nov 28, 2016 | UPDATED: 18:43, Mon, Nov 28, 2016

The beleaguered European Commission president gave the desperate cry to
members as the EU superstate dream slips from Brussels’ grasp following Britain’s
momentous Brexit vote.Terrified Mr Juncker admitted he knows European’s have
a “lack of love” for the Brussels club.

His desperate plea come as Austria’s presidential favourite, Norbert Hofer,
threatened to hold a referendum to cut ties with the crumbling bloc if he takes
power this weekend.

Read more...

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/737493/Jean-Claude-Juncker-EU-referendum-voters-choose-Leave-eurosceptism

[Cidersomerset]

Another recent post from the WW111 thread and will be a big test to the Trump administration
when he gets sworn in .....

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This is a good report that should be on the news nightly on the BBC , CIA NN , ABC ,CBS etc....

( It has been made before , but not highlighted by the mainstream & has been
posted on other threads and probably this one )..

The REAL Reason For War In Syria

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Published on 6 Nov 2016
On the latest episode of Aggressive Progressives Jimmy Dore and Steve Oh discuss
a recent article from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. about Syria. Read the article here
: http://www.ecowatch.com/syria-another...

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http://www.oil-price.net/cartoons/iran-iraq-syria-pipeline.jpg

http://www.oil-price.net/en/articles/oil-prices-and-syrian-civil-war.php

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Trump sometimes talks in simple good guy bad guy terms for the media ,
but he seems to have better gut instinct's than to listen to the corporate
neo - con/dem warhawks. But we will see....I hope he does not become
another Boy Bush puppet figure ? Potentially he seems his own man &
with the right administration around him he maybe able to stop this 'WAR,
WAR' policy of the past 80 years .....

http://www.bestproweb.com/images/Black-Hat-White-Hat.jpg

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Published on 5 Aug 2016
Trump telling the truth of the war of Syria

[turiya]

More Recent Trump Tweets....







http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803421742815412224)
"@HighonHillcrest (https://twitter.com/HighonHillcrest): @jeffzeleny (https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny) what PROOF do u have DonaldTrump did not suffer from millions of FRAUD votes? Journalist? Do your job! @CNN (https://twitter.com/CNN)"

6:14 PM - 28 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803421742815412224)



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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803422200594309120)
"@JoeBowman12 (https://twitter.com/JoeBowman12): @jeffzeleny (https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny) just another generic CNN part time wannabe journalist !" @CNN still doesn't get it. They will never learn!

6:15 PM - 28 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803422200594309120)



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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803423203620245504)
"@FiIibuster (https://twitter.com/FiIibuster): @jeffzeleny (https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny) Pathetic - you have no sufficient evidence that Donald Trump did not suffer from voter fraud, shame! Bad reporter.

6:19 PM - 28 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803423203620245504)



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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803423503978532864)
"@sdcritic: @HighonHillcrest @jeffzeleny @CNN There is NO QUESTION THAT #voterfraud (https://twitter.com/hashtag/voterfraud?src=hash) did take place, and in favor of #CorruptHillary (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CorruptHillary?src=hash) !"

6:21 PM - 28 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803423503978532864)



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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803434300846862336)
.@CNN (https://twitter.com/CNN) is so embarrassed by their total (100%) support of Hillary Clinton, and yet her loss in a landslide, that they don't know what to do.

7:03 PM - 28 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803434300846862336)



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The Great State of Michigan was just certified as a Trump WIN giving all of our MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN supporters another victory - 306!

3:15 AM - 29 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803558077144399873)



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I thought that @CNN would get better after they failed so badly in their support of Hillary Clinton however, since election, they are worse!

3:34 AM - 29 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803562827776720896)



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Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

3:55 AM - 29 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803567993036754944)

[turiya]

Laura Ingram on Secretary of State possible picks... the Jill Stein rationale as well...


Ingraham: Al Shabaab very successful at recruiting in the US
(Published on Nov 29, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSXXr8dLG2A

[TrumanCash]

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Welcome to the police state. With tweets like that Trump is just playing into the liberals claim earlier this year about his being another Hitler.

Someone should grab him by the short hairs and tell him in no uncertain terms that he needs to read and study the Constitution! And then follow it!

Also, the flag is just a piece of cloth with Masonic symbolism. It also symbolizes the first and only country to vaporize innocent civilians with atom bombs. From the very start with the native American holocaust and subsequent non-stop breaking of treaties (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93274-Dakota-Pipeline-Protests...Who-s-gonna-participate&p=1117187&viewfull=1#post1117187) WDC continued the relentless wars of aggression on small countries that could not defend themselves against the Pentagon and CIA chaos--A country that has always refused to follow its own Constitution, law and treaties.

[TargeT]

https://i.redditmedia.com/ZWXXzTQzWiDHQL6E1ET8UqV52pWlDYwfRVMXK3YC7zM.png?w=1000&

[turiya]

https://i.redditmedia.com/ZWXXzTQzWiDHQL6E1ET8UqV52pWlDYwfRVMXK3YC7zM.png?w=1000&

Target - there seemed to be a flaw in the URL to the image you tried to post from redditmedia.com...
Maybe it was suppose to be this one?


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_HATERS_vs_TRUMP_SUPPORTERS_on_Flags.png


"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Welcome to the police state. With tweets like that Trump is just playing into the liberals claim earlier this year about his being another Hitler.

Someone should grab him by the short hairs and tell him in no uncertain terms that he needs to read and study the Constitution! And then follow it!

Also, the flag is just a piece of cloth with Masonic symbolism. It also symbolizes the first and only country to vaporize innocent civilians with atom bombs. From the very start with the native American holocaust and subsequent non-stop breaking of treaties (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93274-Dakota-Pipeline-Protests...Who-s-gonna-participate&p=1117187&viewfull=1#post1117187) WDC continued the relentless wars of aggression on small countries that could not defend themselves against the Pentagon and CIA chaos--A country that has always refused to follow its own Constitution, law and treaties.


Is Flag Burning Illegal?
Written by S. Danilina and Fact Checked
by The Law Dictionary Staff

Law Dictionary: Is Flag Burning Illegal?
Interesting that the burning of the flag has been against the law until 1969. The first U.S. Supreme Court ruling on flag desecration was passed in 1907 in Halter vs. Nebraska case. Most early flag desecration statutes prohibited burning a flag or any other ways of disrespecting the flag. Later, in 1968, Congress responded to the burning of the American flag in the Central Park as the protest against the Vietnam War by passing the Federal Flag Desecration Law. This law prohibited any display of “contempt” directed against the flag. Thus, burning of the American flag had been illegal until 1969 when the Supreme Court ruled the decision to award the First Amendment protection to the burning of the flag.

Furthermore, in a few court cases it has been declared that it is only illegal to burn the US flag if the flag would be stolen. In fact, burning the flag is one of approved ways to destroy a too worn or torn flag.

For the past 20 years, the Congress has made seven attempts to overrule the Supreme Court decision regarding the burning of the American flag by passing a constitutional amendment that had an exception to the First Amendment and allowed the government to ban flag desecration. The Amendment was first proposed in 1990 but failed to receive the required two-thirds majority votes of the House. After 1994, when the Republicans took over the Congress, the Amendment has consistently passed in the House but failed in the Senate.

SOURCE (http://thelawdictionary.org/article/is-flag-burning-illegal/)


Own note: Interesting to see... Now that Republicans are in control of both the House & the Senate if a law will get passed... the pendulum will continue to swing...

[turiya]

Breaking News: Romney set to get fired by Trump...


Trump To Fire Romney on Tuesday
(Published on Nov 29, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r04XVtm950

[A Voice from the Mountains]

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Welcome to the police state. With tweets like that Trump is just playing into the liberals claim earlier this year about his being another Hitler.

Looks like you fell for the bait just like the media did, Truman.

The last person to propose a ban on flag burning was Hillary Clinton herself in 2005. Trump was referencing the legislation she herself co-sponsored. A lot of media companies joined in bashing Trump for this and defending flag burning, only to have it dawn on them later that Clinton herself was pushing this.

Oops!


Trump Trolls Media into Savaging Hillary Clinton

President-elect Donald Trump trolled the mainstream media into unwittingly condemning Hillary Clinton by adopting her position on U.S. flag burning.

http://www.infowars.com/trump-trolls-media-into-savaging-hillary-clinton/


Flag burning btw is extremely unfavorable to most Americans. If people hate their country that much then what should they care if they lose their citizenship? I'm sure they can find a much better country to live in, like communist China or any number of socialist European countries. Right?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Looks like you fell for the bait just like the media did, Truman?

Fell for what bait? Truman disagreed with the President Elect's position. Are you presuming that Truman therefore must agree with Hillary? That's a logical fallacy. Obviously, Truman disagrees with the Clinton position since it is essentially the same position.

This little "us versus them" gotcha mentality is silly. And frankly boring.

[KiwiElf]

Flag burning btw is extremely unfavorable to most Americans. If people hate their country that much then what should they care if they lose their citizenship? I'm sure they can find a much better country to live in, like communist China or any number of socialist European countries. Right?

... and the penalties for burning the National flags in those countries is quite severe ... ;)

[turiya]

More Recent Trump Tweets....







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Big day on Thursday for Indiana and the great workers of that wonderful state.We will keep our companies and jobs in the U.S. Thanks Carrier

7:50 PM - 29 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803808454620094465)




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ISIS is taking credit for the terrible stabbing attack at Ohio State University by a Somali refugee who should not have been in our country.

3:20 AM - 30 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803921522784092160)




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I will be holding a major news conference in New York City with my children on December 15 to discuss the fact that I will be leaving my...

3:39 AM - 30 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803926488579973120)




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great business in total in order to fully focus on running the country in order to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! While I am not mandated to ....

3:44 AM - 30 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803927774784344064)




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do this under the law, I feel it is visually important, as President, to in no way have a conflict of interest with my various businesses..

3:54 AM - 30 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803930240661811200)




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Hence, legal documents are being crafted which take me completely out of business operations. The Presidency is a far more important task!

3:59 AM - 30 Nov 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803931490514075648)

[Cidersomerset]

Newt Gingrich can't stop smiling and explains Trumps outlook.....


Newt Gingrich: Picking Romney is a ‘huge mistake’

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Published on 29 Nov 2016

Former Republican Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich on why President-elect
Donald Trump decided to meet with Mitt Romney for a second time.


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Trump's Tweets Take Attention Away From Transition Team

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‘I Know You’re Upset About the Election’: CNN Panel Blows Up Over Trump’s Flag Burning Tweet

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[Chester]

I hate jumping the "official" gun but this is being reported in even the most blatant anti-Trump media outlets... still we shall see, but if so, here's a tangible example of transition.

Trump to Announce Carrier Plant Will Keep Jobs in U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.20.5/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png


Trump says he will 'leave business' to focus on presidency

21 minutes ago

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/20D3/production/_92730480_7715cda9-3da0-4b69-b6b1-8b798889aa94.jpg
Donald Trump has announced he will be leaving his business "in total"

President-elect Donald Trump has announced he is leaving "business in total"
to focus on presidency and avoid perceived conflicts of interest.Mr Trump said
he would be expanding on his plans at a press conference with his children
next month.He previously dismissed concerns over potential conflicts between
his businesses and the presidency.

Meanwhile, former Goldman Sachs executive Steven Mnuchin confirmed he
had been picked as treasury secretary.Mr Mnuchin, who was Trump's former
campaign finance director, also said billionaire investor Wilbur Ross had been
chosen for commerce secretary. Mr Trump and his transition team have yet
to confirm the appointments, which were widely rumoured.

Instead, Mr Trump chose to focus on his plans to distance himself from his
business in a series of four tweets released over 20 minutes.

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38155141

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UHM ! Not beneficial to whom ?? CIA Director puts his pitch to keep the 'status
quo '....and TPTB in power behind the scenes.

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CIA chief warns Trump: Scrapping Iran deal 'height of folly'

By Gordon Corera
Security correspondent, BBC News
1 hour ago


CIA Director Brennan: 'Trump must be wary of Russian promises'- BBC News

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Published on 30 Nov 2016

CIA Director John Brennan says President-elect Donald Trump "needs to be wary of
Russian promises" because they have often failed to deliver. In the first interview
by a CIA director with the British media, John Brennan outlined a number of areas
where he said the new administration needed to act with "prudence and discipline"
- these included the language used regarding terrorism, relations with Russia, the
Iran nuclear deal and the way in which the CIA's own covert capabilities were
employed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38149088

[TargeT]

Congress just submitted the defense spending bill... 619 billion is an INCREASE.............. so who are we going to war with?



Over Obama's objection, Congress agrees on a bigger military pay raise, more troops

Military personnel would see a 2.1 percent pay raise starting in January and a significant manpower boost within the Army, Air Force and Marine Corps as part of Congress' annual defense spending bill unveiled Tuesday.

The compromise measure also includes a massive overhaul of the military health care system, but it eliminates a controversial proposal to change troops' housing allowance, leaving the military's current stipend program largely unchanged. Totaling nearly $619 billion, the bill represents lawmakers' final offer to the White House, omitting several problematic provisions debated in recent months.

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/ndaa-final-draft-pay-end-strength?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Early%20Bird%20Brief%2011.30.2016&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

[turiya]

Congress just submitted the defense spending bill... 619 billion is an INCREASE.............. so who are we going to war with?



Over Obama's objection, Congress agrees on a bigger military pay raise, more troops

Military personnel would see a 2.1 percent pay raise starting in January and a significant manpower boost within the Army, Air Force and Marine Corps as part of Congress' annual defense spending bill unveiled Tuesday.

The compromise measure also includes a massive overhaul of the military health care system, but it eliminates a controversial proposal to change troops' housing allowance, leaving the military's current stipend program largely unchanged. Totaling nearly $619 billion, the bill represents lawmakers' final offer to the White House, omitting several problematic provisions debated in recent months.

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/ndaa-final-draft-pay-end-strength?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Early%20Bird%20Brief%2011.30.2016&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Somebody must have been listening...



Trump calls for military spending increase
(Published on Sep 7, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnyl3pE6l1g

[Bob]

Donald Trump has announced he will be leaving his business "in total"

President-elect Donald Trump has announced he is leaving "business in total"
to focus on presidency and avoid perceived conflicts of interest.Mr Trump said
he would be expanding on his plans at a press conference with his children
next month.He previously dismissed concerns over potential conflicts between
his businesses and the presidency.

Meanwhile, former Goldman Sachs executive Steven Mnuchin confirmed he
had been picked as treasury secretary.Mr Mnuchin, who was Trump's former
campaign finance director, also said billionaire investor Wilbur Ross had been
chosen for commerce secretary.

I wonder, will each of the other appointee's also divest themselves from "conflicts of interest".. Think about that for a moment - billionaires having to act as public servants, either accepting pay or not, and having to distance themselves from any other business(s) (right?) what all does that mean? If/as they have made their fortunes, would they be any better at being focused as there is no 'want' (at least we would think so) having to deal with survival based 'hand to mouth' reality..

Just wondering about these billionaire appointees.. If the Commander 'n Chief has to divest, prevent "conflict of interest", do these others realize they will too??

[Bob]

Congress just submitted the defense spending bill... 619 billion is an INCREASE.............. so who are we going to war with?



Over Obama's objection, Congress agrees on a bigger military pay raise, more troops

Military personnel would see a 2.1 percent pay raise starting in January and a significant manpower boost within the Army, Air Force and Marine Corps as part of Congress' annual defense spending bill unveiled Tuesday.

The compromise measure also includes a massive overhaul of the military health care system, but it eliminates a controversial proposal to change troops' housing allowance, leaving the military's current stipend program largely unchanged. Totaling nearly $619 billion, the bill represents lawmakers' final offer to the White House, omitting several problematic provisions debated in recent months.

http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/ndaa-final-draft-pay-end-strength?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Early%20Bird%20Brief%2011.30.2016&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Military%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

Looks like a chunk of that is going into fighter-bombers both for the US and Allied.. Wonder who pays for the allied assigned bombers? or which allies are they going to? Or what their timetable is.. Seems to me either they are replacements for something about to happen(?), or they would be wanted for something expected to be happening in the future(?) Can we assume increasing hardware inventory (the main budget) is an indicator of things to come, or is the mindset, just replace older failing systems? (modernization)


Lockheed Martin gets $7.2 billion order for 90 F-35 fighter-bomber jet aircraft
U.S. and allied military air forces are ordering 90 F-35 fighter-bomber jet aircraft of various configurations from Lockheed Martin Corp. under terms of a $7.2 billion order

[Cidersomerset]

Trump’s Pick Could End the Fed

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Published on 30 Nov 2016
Now is not the time to go to sleep. Trump’s cabinet picks — the good, bad, the ugly —
could make America great, or let the establish co-opt the new administration. On Monday,
Trump interviewed a former CEO of regional bank BB&T & member of Cato Institute’s
Board of Directors. Hopefully, Trump will pick Allison, but even if he doesn’t, Allison
deserves to be heard. Here’s a sample of what he said...

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Alex tries to analyse Donald and concludes " Trump is a whole other ball game "...

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Published on 29 Nov 2016
Alex Jones gives the viewers a look into the mind of Donald Trump, and what he's
like off camera and just how incredibly intelligent he

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Breaking: Twitter Considers Banning Trump

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Published on 30 Nov 2016
Infowars reporter Joe Biggs @rambobiggs breaks down an article by SFIST that
says Twitter would Consider banning Trump. A move that would surely bring
Twitter down

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Trump taps Steven Mnuchin as treasury secretary; strikes deal with Carrier

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Published on 30 Nov 2016
President-elect Donald Trump has announced a deal to keep up to 1,000 jobs at a
Carrier plant in Indiana, which the company had wanted to move to Mexico.
Politico's Tara Palmeri has more on that plus how Trump is shaping his Cabinet
during his transition into the White House.

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Rove: Mike Pence is Trump's ambassador to Congress

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Published on 30 Nov 2016
Vice president-elect promises healthy agenda for first months of the Trump
administration; reaction from Fox News contributors Karl Rove and Joe Trippi

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Pence: Trump will take his case to the American people

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Published on 29 Nov 2016
On 'Hannity,' the vice president-elect on repealing Obamacare, moving the
president-elect's agenda forward

[TargeT]

Looks like a chunk of that is going into fighter-bombers both for the US and Allied.. Wonder who pays for the allied assigned bombers? or which allies are they going to? Or what their timetable is.. Seems to me either they are replacements for something about to happen(?), or they would be wanted for something expected to be happening in the future(?) Can we assume increasing hardware inventory (the main budget) is an indicator of things to come, or is the mindset, just replace older failing systems? (modernization)


Lockheed Martin gets $7.2 billion order for 90 F-35 fighter-bomber jet aircraft
U.S. and allied military air forces are ordering 90 F-35 fighter-bomber jet aircraft of various configurations from Lockheed Martin Corp. under terms of a $7.2 billion order

The F-35 program has been a huge debacle, we barely have any of those platforms since it was rolled out & the ones we did have were plagued with serious problems.

Hell, the first squadron to be declared combat ready wasn't until August 2nd (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II) of this year.. .thats a big mile stone for the program, I'd expect expendatures like this for a while as we transition out of the F16's etc..

So I don't know that this is anything other than "normal" activity. I suspect not.

[ThePythonicCow]

Looks like a chunk of that is going into fighter-bombers both for the US and Allied.. Wonder who pays for the allied assigned bombers? or which allies are they going to? Or what their timetable is.. Seems to me either they are replacements for something about to happen(?), or they would be wanted for something expected to be happening in the future(?) Can we assume increasing hardware inventory (the main budget) is an indicator of things to come, or is the mindset, just replace older failing systems? (modernization)


Lockheed Martin gets $7.2 billion order for 90 F-35 fighter-bomber jet aircraft
U.S. and allied military air forces are ordering 90 F-35 fighter-bomber jet aircraft of various configurations from Lockheed Martin Corp. under terms of a $7.2 billion order

Israel is getting 17 of these F-35's: Israel to buy an additional 17 F-35 fighter planes (The Times of Israel) (http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-buy-an-additional-17-f-35-fighter-planes/).

[Cidersomerset]

Israel is getting 17 of these F-35's: Israel to buy an additional 17 F-35 fighter planes (The Times of Israel).

Somebody is getting 50 of um I saw the other day ......Now where the ell was that ...LOL

I though that was Israel ?

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Its part of the same deal.....


REUTERS....

Israel increases order for F-35 fighter jets to 50


Israel's security cabinet on Sunday approved the purchase of an additional 17
Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter jets, bringing its total number on order to 50.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement the decision to increase the
order was unanimous.

Lockheed is developing three versions of the F-35 Lightning II jets for the U.S.
military and nine countries that have already placed orders - Britain, Italy, Turkey,
the Netherlands, Norway, Australia, Japan, Israel and South Korea.

Israel's first two are expected to be delivered by the end of the year.


(Reporting by Ari Rabinovitch; Editing by Greg Mahlich)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-lockheed-israel-idUKKBN13M0TE?il=0

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Published on 28 Nov 2016
Israel said on Sunday it will order 17 more U.S.-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighters,
bringing its total number on order to 50.

A statement from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said the green light
for the order was given by the security cabinet.

Israel is due to take delivery of its first F-35s next month.

Israel's public radio said the purchase will come under a U.S. military aid program.

In September, U.S. President Barack Obama signed off on a 10-year military aid
package for Israel worth 38 billion USD.

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ISRAELI FORCES TRAIN FOR NEW F35 ARRIVALS

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Published on 28 Nov 2016


PROMO VID........optional if you want to watch or not , that's why I just left the link....


Published on 28 Nov 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p3J_KVvPIQ

Two F-35C Lightning II aircraft from the F-35 Patuxent River Integrated Test Force
(ITF) flexed their sea legs aboard USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) during the
second F-35C developmental test (DT-II) phase October 2-10, 2015. The team
wrapped up 100 percent of its carrier suitability and integration testing of the F-35C
on October 9 and all of its logistics test and evaluation (LT&E) October 10. DT-II
featured 66 catapults and 66 arrestments across 17 flights, logged 26.5 flight hours
and achieved a total of 280 flight test points and 17 LT&E test points. U.S. Navy
video courtesy of Lockheed Martin | Matt Short, Dane Wiedmann, Andrew
McMurtrie, and Andy Wolfe.




F 35 The Game Changer For The Us Navy And Air Force

[ThePythonicCow]

The F-35 program has been a huge debacle, we barely have any of those platforms since it was rolled out & the ones we did have were plagued with serious problems.
My hunch is that the F-35 program is a con job - that the majority of the money involved is not being used for what they tell us.

[Cidersomerset]

As David Icke said in a Avalon interview and many others years ago he saw 2016/17/18
as pivotal years,and is why he embarked on his ongoing speaking tour earlier this year.
Now whether President Trump can stay true to his word and help create change ? we
will have to see. President Obama was going to be change and bring peace to the world
but he was either a plant , stooge or just plain compromised by TPTB and the corporate
interests and the dark forces behind them. We knew that Hillary was going to be more
of the same and is why I was excited to see if Donald could win and I am not conservative.

Although I did vote for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership election as I am a
proud trades unionist. I have always voted UK lib Dems which is different to US Dems,
in elections as I feel its everyone duty to vote even if you put down 'Mickey Mouse'
on the ballet paper , though the Lib/con coalition of 2010 has clouded my enthusiasm
for UK politics even more...LOL

Anyway its early days and this US election has caught my attention more than any previous
one as this may have good consequences for the whole planet , if he can truly stay as
independent and focused as possible. Also I have been influenced by Ion& Bob but that's
another story. He has already been criticized for picking 'outsiders' and 'insiders' . But he
has a lot of posts to fill and it is how he can manage them that will be key. I am optimistic
but we will soon find out over the next few years......2016/17/18....Good Luck Donald .....


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Farage: 2016 Year of 'Political Revolution'.....Talking to mainstream media...

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Published on 30 Nov 2016
Nigel Farage, the former leader of Britain's anti-EU UK Independence Party, said
on Wednesday that 2016 had been the "year of the outsider", that newsrooms
needed to be more representative, and that the internet could be "very dangerous"
in the wrong hands. (Nov. 30)

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'Busted!' Blogger issues joke statement after being ‘outed’ by US MSM as ‘Russian agent’


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Published on 30 Nov 2016

'Dear President Putin' - Blogger Paul Craig Roberts had a bit of a joke
to answer all those that 'outed' him as a 'Russian agent'

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Is mainstream media agile enough to cover a 'reality TV president?' Also the
Standing Rock Dakota pipeline protest...

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Published on 29 Nov 2016

Has Donald Trump already defeated the news media, and can the mainstream press
adapt to Trump's unconventional style? Larry takes a look with The Nation's Katrina
vanden Heuvel. Then, eyewitness accounts from the 'Standing Rock' protest.

[onawah]

The Democratic National Party may be in even more hot water if the info posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86769-This-may-be-Obama-s-real-birth-certificate--but-may-also-be-a-hoax-&p=1116655&viewfull=1#post1116655
and here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86769-This-may-be-Obama-s-real-birth-certificate--but-may-also-be-a-hoax-&p=1116656&viewfull=1#post1116656
...bears fruit. It's been a long time coming, but it's looking very ripe:

The photographs of the Nesbitts really are convincing.
I recommend watching the first 6 minutes, but there's a rant following that :facepalm:

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(This looks like very damning evidence :flame: Somebody might want to copy these--unfortunately I don't know how.)
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[A Voice from the Mountains]

Looks like you fell for the bait just like the media did, Truman?

Fell for what bait? Truman disagreed with the President Elect's position. Are you presuming that Truman therefore must agree with Hillary? That's a logical fallacy. Obviously, Truman disagrees with the Clinton position since it is essentially the same position.

This little "us versus them" gotcha mentality is silly. And frankly boring.

Trump was obviously trolling the media with that tweet. If you read it in context, the tweets immediately preceding it were all trashing CNN's poor coverage and obvious bias. If you want to talk about "us vs. them" and "gotcha" politics then turn your television on sometime and turn into any of the many liberal news outlets.

Trump's tweet only proved that networks like CNN have an obvious double-standard and only support or attack positions based on whether the person promoting them is a Republican or Democrat. He outsmarted everybody that fell for it.

[turiya]

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Published on 29 Nov 2016

Has Donald Trump already defeated the news media, and can the mainstream press
adapt to Trump's unconventional style? Larry takes a look with The Nation's Katrina
vanden Heuvel. Then, eyewitness accounts from the 'Standing Rock' protest.

Katrina vanden Heuvel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katrina_vanden_Heuvel) is the MSM!

She is the editor, publisher, and part-owner of the magazine The Nation - a progressive mag. A strong supporter of Hillary Clinton. And btw, The Nation boasts strong ties to liberal, billionaire George Soros (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/alatheia-larsen/2015/05/07/nation-magazine-celebrates-150th-anniversary-praise-gorbachev).

Katrina vanden Heuvel is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations). She also worked as a production assistant at ABC television. She writes an op-ed column for The Washington Post. She is also a frequent commentator on American and international politics on ABC's This Week, as well as on MSNBC, CNN and PBS. Her articles have appeared in The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times and The Boston Globe - all left of center. (See Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katrina_vanden_Heuvel))

So what's her beef with the recent Trump picks?






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'President-elect Donald J. Trump today announced his intent to nominate Steven Mnuchin, Wilbur Ross & Todd Ricketts' https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10158207891610725:0 … (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10158207891610725:0)

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Katrina vanden Heuvel's main beef is that she is irked by the fact that Donald Trump is not going to the MSM to convey his message to Americans. She condemns his use of twitter as a distraction... she advocates that MSM should be more adversarial than they have already had been... [hew!] - still doesn't understand that people will be more & more moving away from her publication & the MSM outlets that publish her scribblings.

Speaking of the Council on Foreign Relations membership (http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html), after a quick search, I didn't find that any of the recent picks (above) are members of that elite club that Katrina vanden Heuvel belongs to...

[norman]

If the MSM can survive long enough they may have a tactic that would, eventually, work for them.

All Presidents, no matter how popular in the beginning will eventually drop down to low figures of approval. IF the MSM walks this tight rope long enough, they can score from the upswing of disapproval and be the leaders of the opposition, as they are now, but with a gathering support base in the public.

They have a lot of cards to play, in their own favor, the longer they survive. The most obvious one is that they will be able to claim that they are actually being critical and doing their job.

The Trump people will do best to make sure they do something to deal with the MSM as early as possible. No amount of desertion by viewers and advertisers will take them down as long as there are wealthy interests wanting them to be there. The dynamics could reverse over the next 4 years and they become the new alt'media swimming against the current. Having very few viewers or listeners at first, didn't stop Alex Jones getting up to 80 million listeners a few weeks ago.

[turiya]

Alot of water has gone down the Ganges since...


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Woodward & Bernstein - Watergate

Watch: ‘SNL’ skit roasts the mainstream media
and their election bias against Donald Trump
(Published on Nov 20, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfvY1_OaWIA________________________

FACEBOOK HAS BAD NEWS FOR CNN & NBC:
NO MORE FAKE NEWS
(Published on Nov 16, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlK81oJX9Vk

[turiya]

More from Larry King... Interview with Breitbart News Chief Editor, Joel Pollok - a close associate of Steve Bannon...


Larry King Live Interview
w/ Joel Pollok of Breitbart on Steve Bannon
(Uploaded on Nov 30, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8owMNrZqU7Q

[turiya]

What's behind Jill Stein's push to have a recount...


Jill Stein's Vote Recount Is Not A Vote Recount,
It's Something Much Worse - Episode 1138b
(Published on Nov 28, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJhxp9CPj-M_____________________________

Jill Stein Bribed By Clinton to Steal the Election
(Published on Nov 24, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtXlhIz_JUE

[norman]

The "Green" movement can easily become the new NWO movement in USA. It's almost a perfect fit. I'm sure that if it had been around longer and Clinton had shredded herself sooner, It would have been the Greens in Hillary's place 3 weeks ago.

They may well have decided to decant the operation into the Green movement for 2020 and cut the DNC loose and sink. It's already pretty obvious to me that the first toes Trump is going to step on as President are "green" toes. Look at the pipeline camp for starters.

edit:

How much exposure is the pipeline protest getting in US MSM ?

[norman]

Hillary 'Recount' = Cleanup Operation? Destroy Fake Ballots? Jill Stein Keeps Money?

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Published on Nov 28, 2016
HILLARY SEEKS RECOUNTS IN SEVERAL STATES -- IS SHE TRYING TO STEAL THE WHITE HOUSE, OR TRYING TO 'CLEAN UP' EVIDENCE OF RIGGING THE ELECTION WITH 3 MILLION FRAUDULENT BALLOTS?

HILLARY CLINTON ALMOST STOLE THE PRESIDENCY IN 2016. THE DNC (UNIPARTY) CHEATED ON A MASSIVE SCALE, USING ILLEGAL ALIENS, DEAD VOTERS, FAKE NAMES TO FORGE 3 MILLION FAKE VOTES AND FAKE-WIN THE POPULAR VOTE AGAINST TRUMP.

RIGHT NOW, THOSE PILES OF FORGED PAPER BALLOTS ARE SITTING IN BOXES ACROSS AMERICA -- WAITING TO GET EXAMINED. IF THAT HAPPENS, THE ENTIRE USA ELECTION SYSTEM COULD BE EXPOSED AS A TOTAL FRAUD. THAT MEANS HALF THE GOVERNMENT -- FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL -- COULD GO TO PRISON.

EVERYONE KNOWS VOTER FRAUD EXISTS. BUT DID HILLARY AND SOROS COMMIT SUCH MASSIVE FRAUD IN 2016 THAT THEY'RE SEEKING URGENT 'RECOUNT' ACCESS TO DESTROY THE PROOF?

HILLARY CLINTON ISN'T THE LAST CROOK THE DEMOCRATS WILL RUN FOR PRESIDENT. WHAT HAPPENS IF FOLKS REALIZE AMERICAN ELECTIONS ARE TOTALLY FAKE? SOMEWHERE IN MICHIGAN (OR PENNSYLVANIA, OR WISCONSIN) ARE THERE THOUSANDS OF "MICKEY MOUSE" BALLOTS WAITING TO LAND JOHN PODESTA IN FEDERAL PRISON?

GEORGE SOROS BETTER GET IN THERE DURING THE "JILL STEIN RECOUNT" AND DESTROY (OR SWAP OUT) THOSE BALLOTS........ BEFORE TRUMP OFFICIALLY TAKES OFFICE AND GAINS THE POWER TO INVESTIGATE VOTER FRAUD. TRUMP COULD REPLACE FBI DIRECTOR COMEY (CROOK) AND DIG INTO WHO RIGGED WHICH STATE ELECTIONS AND HOW THOSE STATES WERE STOLEN.

IS THAT THE TRUE REASON FOR THE 'HILLARY RECOUNT?' IS THAT WHY JILL STEIN IS SUDDENLY INTERESTED IN HELPING HILLARY FUND A RECOUNT?

FUNNY HOW BERNIE SANDERS AND JILL STEIN KEEP HELPING THE BIGGEST CROOK IN AMERICA (HILLARY), WHILE THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY 'INDEPENDENT.'

OBAMA TELLS ILLEGAL ALIENS TO VOTE (ON TV):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miRAy... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miRAyBWoihQ)

CRYING HILLARY FANS MELT DOWN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJAtv... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJAtv5XHwCE)

HOW TO CATCH VOTE FRAUD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDwYZ... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDwYZedvAUk)

FOR UPDATES, SUBSCRIBE TO 'BARRY SOETORO' CHANNEL:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgzi... (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgziCnF8Fx_7UOGcBXxMMrQ/videos)

[turiya]

Amazing...

Bill Still's latest report on Jill Stein's sell-out...


SR #1370 – Green Party Denounces
Jill Stein for Helping Clinton
(Published on Nov 30, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDdphNQ5AQI

[norman]

Quite reassuring news.

[araucaria]

Alex tries to analyse Donald and concludes " Trump is a whole other ball game "...

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That was a fascinating moment from Alex Jones. Of course he doesn’t reveal the real Trump at all: he presents the dilemma Trump poses as to whether he is totally something else (a force for good) or the devil incarnate. He makes him sound like a good candidate for the antichrist, if one is into that sort of notion. The trouble with this, or an interesting twist shall we say, is that the people who are into the antichrist thing are likely Trump supporters, many of whom have been casting around for years among the usual suspects for someone monstrous enough to fit the bill. They might now like to look into the possibility of a devil in seductive disguise, which is the sort of thing a devil might very well do. All these monsters and heroes and heroes as possible monsters getting huger and huger are just expanding expressions in the outside world of our inner issues needing urgent attention. As such, they are not so much distractions as signals - the opposite of distractions, the finger pointing excitedly to the moon. If Alex Jones somehow does reveal the real Trump after all, it is as a larger-than-life figure. He is somehow not for real: focus on the real, that is the message.

[TargeT]

an interesting twist shall we say, is that the people who are into the antichrist thing are likely Trump supporters, many of whom have been casting around for years among the usual suspects for someone monstrous enough to fit the bill..

From what I know of that myth, isn't that exactly the way it's suppose to happen?

Lucifer (Aka the Morning star, AKA the deceiver) or more commonly known as: Venus...

The whole story is just a way to help the transition into abrahamic religion from previous ones (http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religions/iranian/Mithraism/herodotus_and_mithras.htm) (worship of Ishtar etc..). So Lucifer/Venus is cast as the antichrist.

But I don't know that much about the even older religions, maybe Venus is being wrongly persecuted by the newer ones? Depends on the set of myths your reading I guess.

[Cidersomerset]

These are a couple of good articles that show how fickle and BS that the
demonization of Russia has been, and still is ongoing by western media
and politicians. This can flip instantly if TPTB want it to. Just think of all the
anti Putin/Russia comments that have been going on particularly in Brexit
and especially the US elections......

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Trump to improve ties with Russia, UK to follow lead - British MP

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Published on 1 Dec 2016

There may be a much-needed shot-in-the-arm for British and Russian relations - as
a result of Brexit and Donald Trump's election victory. That was the key message
from the first day of a Business Forum taking place in London.


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'We've been lied to about Russia for decades' - frmr London mayor Livingstone
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Published on 1 Dec 2016
President Putin has delivered the annual State Of The Nation address -
highlighting the challenges facing Russia and the rest of the world.

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Trump supporters' claim stuns CIA NN anchor....Quite amusing and she Blames Fox..

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Published on 1 Dec 2016
Donald Trump supporters made several debunked claims about election fraud in a
post-election interview with CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota

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What the bulk of the liberal media cannot admit that Hillary was/is 'Toxic'.....
( Not Fox obviously )

Crowley, Kucinich on why working class voters abandoned Dems

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Published on 1 Dec 2016
Fox News contributors weigh in

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Black voter: Here's why I pulled the lever for Trump

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Published on 30 Nov 2016
Justin McClinton feels like the voice of a real black man who voted for Donald
Trump needs to be heard and he explains his support for the President-elect
on 'Tucker Carlson Tonight' #Tucker

[turiya]

Nationalism on the rise.... globalism falling...
Trump invites Hungary Prime Minister Viktor Orban to the White House....


SR #1371 – Europe Filled With Populist
Breakouts Following Brexit and Trump
(Published on Nov 30, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5bW3nHr_D0Published on Nov 30, 2016
Visit our website now: http://www.billstill.com - considered by informed insiders’ as THE ultimate resource for fixing the National Debt problem and surviving Economic or Financial Collapse/Crash and attaining the unvarnished truth about Washington and today’s United States Political Climate.

Good evening, I’m still reporting on the European Union.

The president of the European Commission – which is the Executive Committee of the European Union – has told EU member states to avoid these pesky referendums on leaving the EU because it is on the edge of collapse already.
Jean-Claude Juncker, the head of the Executive Committee, said as late as last August that:
“Borders are the worst invention ever made.”
Juncker does not think nations should be inspired by Brexit:

“The British have had their say by universal suffrage. I hope others do not do the same.”
However, Juncker’s nemesis, UKIP party leader Nigel Farage, warned EU members that there is a lot more bad news to come for the globalists.

First up will be Italy. On Sunday, Italians will go to the polls to likely reject a proposed referendum pushed by the current Prime Minister, Matteo Renzi, which would further centralize power by taking it away from the regions and giving it to the federal government.

Renzi has promised that if his referendum fails, he will resign, which could cause the fragile Italian banking system to collapse on Monday morning.

The Italians don’t care. They want to kick the bums out and bring in fresh bodies.
The final polls were just released with the vote still 2 weeks away, and the “No” camp is widening its lead to between 8 to 12 points after the overwhelming Trump victory in the U.S.

Alessandra Ghisleri, head of the Euromedia agency, told Reuters:
“Trump’s victory was important because Renzi strongly backed Hillary Clinton and so people link him with the loser.”

If Mr. Renzi did resign, that would open the door wide for the populist Five Star Movement to take power in Italy at last. One of Five Star’s founding principles is the destruction of the EU.

Interestingly, on the same day – this Sunday – Austria goes to the polls again after that nation’s highest court ordered a re-do election after voting irregularities were found in May.

The populist candidate, Norbert Hofer, is an “open carry” advocate who would put Austria’s European Union membership to a vote as well.

To the north, in Germany, polls, for the first time, show that a majority of Germans want out of the EU as well.

To the west, in France, populist leader, Marine Le Pen, who has also called for a French pullout from the EU, is leading in a recent Ipsos presidential election poll by a substantial margin. The French election will take place in 6 months.

And finally in Hungary, Prime Minister Viktor Orban has been invited by President-Elect Trump to visit the White House early next year.

Orban was one of the first world leaders to congratulate Trump after his surprise victory, saying it marked the end of “liberal non-democracy.” After the election, President-elect Trump called Orban.
“I spoke on the phone with the new US president and I can say that our position has improved remarkably,” Orban said in an interview published last Thursday.
“"He invited me to Washington, I told him that I hadn't been there for a long time as I had been treated as a 'black sheep.' [Trump replied, laughing:] 'Me too.'"
We may be allowed to cover this historic meeting - in person – as my last book, “No More National Debt” was recently published in Hungarian – one of the world’s most difficult languages.

[turiya]

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More Bad News For Jill Stein
As Pennsylvania Judge Blocks
Recount Petitions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/more-bad-news-jill-stein-pennsylvania-judge-blocks-recount-petitions)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 1, 2016 8:19 AM
As most people are still trying to figure out exactly what Jill Stein is doing and why she's doing it, a judge in Montgomery County Pennsylvania, just north of Philadelphia, has decided he's seen enough. After hearing arguments from attorneys representing Jill Stein’s campaign and the Montgomery County Board of Elections, Judge Bernard A. Moore dismissed the petitions of voters in 78 precincts to recount votes or forensically analyze voting machines due a lack of evidence and improperly filed petitions. Per The Times Herald (http://www.timesherald.com/general-news/20161130/montgomery-county-judge-dismisses-recount-petitions) of Montgomery County:

“What we keep going back to is that our voting machines are not connected to the internet,” said board of elections Solicitor Nicole Forzato. “Montgomery County takes great, great pride in being concerned about its infrastructure for IT generally, and they have gone through a vigorous process to make sure our technology general, including voter services technology and the voting machines are safe and secure to use. ”

The judge did not give an explanation of his dismissal, but objections made by Forzato focused on two areas: first, that there was insufficient evidence to suggest that the machines had been tampered with in any way and second, that the petitions were not filed properly with the proper fees.

Stein campaign attorney Ilann Maazel argued that voting machines throughout Pennsylvania were vulnerable to hacking. He stated that the effort to request a recount or analysis of the machines was to make sure every vote was counted.

“We know that Donald Trump won the vote of machines in Pennsylvania. We want to know who won the vote of the people,” Maazel said.

Maazel also argued that the manner in which the petitions were filed, county-by-county and district-by-district, was a result of “byzantine” election statutes in the commonwealth.

“They’re requiring fees that don’t exist, they are proposing deadlines that don’t exist,” Maazel said. “The Republican Party is saying that over 27,000 people in 9,000 districts have to request a recount or there can’t be a recount anywhere. What kind of system is that? That is a disgrace.”
Of course, this result is not terribly shocking given that even Jill Stein admits there is "no evidence of fraud at the ballot box."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDVF06UId9o

As we noted yesterday (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-30/wiscon-judge-denies-steins-request-hand-recount), Jill Stein was also defeated in a Wisconsin court for failing to present any credible evidence of vote tampering.

While this should come as a shock to precisely no one other than some disaffected Hillary supporters who were hoping for a miracle, Jill Stein's request for a full "hand recount" in the state of Wisconsin has officially been denied by Dane County Circuit Judge Valerie Bailey-Rihn. According to the StarTribune, the request was denied after the judge found that Stein failed to show any mistakes or irregularities that would bring a machine recount into question.

A Wisconsin judge has refused to order local officials to conduct the state's presidential recount by hand.

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein requested the recount last week. She alleged — without evidence — that the state's voting equipment may have been hacked.

The state Elections Commission has ordered the recount to begin Thursday but rejected Stein's request that county clerks conduct the recount entirely by hand. Stein filed a lawsuit seeking an order for a statewide hand recount.

Stein's attorneys argued during a hearing Tuesday evening that the best way to determine if a cyberattack occurred is to check ballots by hand against electronic tabulations from Election Day. State lawyers countered there's no evidence to suggest any attack took place.

Dane County Circuit Judge Valerie Bailey-Rihn refused to issue the order, saying Stein's team failed to show any mistakes or irregularities that would bring a machine recount into question.


It's time to let this one go, Jill. It was a good effort.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/12/01/Jill%20Stein%20Cat.JPG


SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/more-bad-news-jill-stein-pennsylvania-judge-blocks-recount-petitions)

[turiya]

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[Chester]

Continuing with the enrgy form generated by the prior post (#1308)...

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[turiya]

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Twitter Threatens Trump Ban
Over "Harassment And Hateful Conduct" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/twitter-threatens-trump-ban-over-harassment-and-hateful-conduct)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 1, 2016 4:45 PM
Since November 8th, the mainstream media and the social media giants of Silicon Valley have launched an all-out crusade against so-called "fake news" sources (of which we're apparently one (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-16/zero-hedge-targeted-list-fake-news-sources)). Twitter has gone so far as to purge dozens of "alt-right" accounts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-16/twitter-purges-dozens-alt-right-accounts) and just yesterday Reddit CEO, Steve Huffman, announced that he too would ban the "most toxic" Trump supporters (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-30/reddit-ban-most-toxic-trump-supporters-after-ceo-abused-personal-message-harassment) who had the audacity to call him names after he abused his administrative privileges to alter other people text threads.

While this is clearly a politically-motivated crusade, one would expect that the newly elected President of the United States and leader of the Republican party, a man who received 60 million votes, would be safe from persecution, right? Well, apparently not, according to an article published by Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2016/11/would_facebook_or_twitter_ban_president_trump.html):

Asked whether Twitter would ever consider banning key government officials or even the president himself, a company spokesperson responded via email: “The Twitter Rules prohibit violent threats, harassment, hateful conduct, and multiple account abuse, and we will take action on accounts violating those policies.” Pressed on whether that meant that, hypothetically, Trump himself could be suspended were he to violate those policies, a spokesperson confirmed: “The Twitter Rules apply to all accounts, including verified accounts.”

All of which brings up several important questions. Does calling Chuck Todd a moron or Barney Frank disgusting fall into the "harassment" or "hateful conduct" bucket? Are comments such as these exempt if they can be proven to be factually accurate? All tough questions that need to be sorted out.






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"@wzpd8z (https://twitter.com/wzpd8z): Mr. Trump, Chuck Todd is a moron, all kinds of youtube videos showing muslims celebrating 911. I would show it on your ads."

5:14 AM - 30 Nov 2015 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/671316321443954688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

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Barney Frank looked disgusting--nipples protruding--in his blue shirt before Congress. Very very disrespectful.

12:36 PM - 21 Dec 2011 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/149589104168939520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

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Crooked Hillary's bad judgement forced her to announce that she would go to Charlotte on Saturday to grandstand. Dem pols said no way, dumb!

7:09 PM - 23 Sep 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/779503099492831233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

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If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him!

1:08 PM - 24 Sep 2016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/779729180334387200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/779729180334387200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



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Facebook, meanwhile, has adopted a more permissive, reasonable stance toward Trump and other public figures. “When we review reports of content that may violate our policies, we take context into consideration,” a Facebook spokesperson said via email. “That context can include the value of political discourse.”

Meanwhile, even Zuckerberg admits that when 60 million people vote for someone then his comments should probably be considered "mainstream political discourse."

"Our real goal is to reflect what our community wants. That kind of content, we would have thought previously that would make a lot of people feel uncomfortable, and people wouldn’t want that. But at the point where the person who’s elected president of the United States is expressing that opinion and has 60 million people who are followers, then the question is, OK, I think that that is mainstream political discourse that I think we need to be pretty careful about saying that that’s not a reasonable [inaudible]."

While we seriously doubt that Twitter would ever follow through on their threats to ban Trump's account, the mere fact that they refuse to rule it out speaks volumes about the company that once declared itself the "free speech wing of the free speech party."

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-01/twitter-threatens-trump-ban-over-harassment-and-hateful-conduct)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Obama already looks like the fool that he is.


Flashback: Obama Mocks Trump for Promising to Keep Carrier Plant in U.S.

‘Those jobs of the past are just not going to come back’

In June, President Obama participated in a PBS townhall and was asked about Trump's promise to keep Carrier's Indiana plant in the U.S. The townhall participant -- Eric Cottonham, a member of the Steelworkers Union employed by Carrier -- asked Obama if anything could be done to stem the tide of jobs flowing out of the country, as Trump had recently promised to do.

"I see here you’re doing a lot of things, but in Indianapolis, there’s nothing there for us," he asked. "I mean, what’s next? I mean, what can we look forward to in the future as far as jobs, employment, whatever? Because all of our jobs has left or in the process of leaving, sir.”

"Those jobs of the past are just not going to come back," Obama told Cottonham.

[...]

Obama also singled out Trump for derision, saying:

When somebody says, like the person you just mentioned who I’m not going to advertise for, that he’s going to bring all these jobs back, well how exactly are you going to do that? What are you going to do? There’s — there’s no answer to it. He just says, “Well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal.” Well, how — what — how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What magic wand do you have? And usually, the answer is he doesn’t have an answer.

On Wednesday, the White House downplayed Carrier's decision to remain in the U.S. And today the White House doubled down, claiming Trump would need to make a similar announcement every week for eight years to match Obama's record.

https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-obama-mocks-trump-promising-keep-carrier-plant-us


No, Trump would have to further devastate our economy, double our national debt and double real unemployment rates in order to match Obama's record. And that's not going to happen. Repealing Obamacare alone would ensure that.

[turiya]

Greg Hunter: Do you think that they will be holding the economy over Donald Trump's head? They may crash the economy if he doesn't do what they want him to do. Can you explain that?

Paul Craig Roberts: The easiest thing for the oligarchs to do would be to orchestrate an economic crash. And they can do it easily because its a house of cards held up by the Fed. Now, if they come to the conclusion that they can't control Trump, and he actually is a threat to them in some way, yeah - they'll just crash the economy & they'll go to Trump and say, "Hey, ya know... look, you're blamed for this, you're indefensive, in order to get out of this, you have to appoint us. And, we'll get you out of this."

So that's the sort of power the oligarchs have over Trump.

I said from the beginning that he has sort of the temperment... strong will... that you have to have to bring change - from the top, down. But he lacks the knowledge, he lacks the experience, he doesn't know who the people are - to the point that he can trust. And so he's kind of a 'babe' in their hands. And if they're unable to control him through the appointments, they always have the option of simply sending the economy down. Then telling him, "Okay, we got you. And if you want it fixed, then put us in..."



Paul Craig Roberts-Dollar Should Be Reduced
Already to the Level of Toilet Paper
(Published on Nov 29, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEgmXmQbKfA_________________________

Montgomery Board of Elections Dismisses recount... Russian Cyber Attack on the election process doesn't make sense... fake, phony & false... if this is the real reason for Jill Stein's recount move...

Oligarchs pressures Congress to pass Russian related legislation prior to Trump being sworn in...

Globalist elites setting up new agenda for a future Iran event... have to see if Trump will take the bait...



The Elite Are Now In The Process Of Making
Their Next Move - Episode 1141b
(Published on Dec 1, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGJx3U4w4GM

[turiya]

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kdfvyFh53Ug/V7KPb9O-fLI/AAAAAAAAARg/9cVXocN79o0QF-vXKSWmbqyIQ7xEqa1dQCLcB/s1600/rense.gif (http://rense.com/)

(11/23/2016)
Hour 2 - Jim Fetzer -
View From Marrs

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TALKSHOE_MP3_PLAYER.png (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=https://archive.org/download/Rense.20161201/Rense.20161201.2of3.mp3)
Jim Fetzer Website (http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/)

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REPORT: Illegal Immigration... something is presently happening at the Mexican border (Tijuana)...


Something is Going Down.
DOWNLOAD THIS AND SPREAD IT
(Published on Nov 30, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8Vq3ZR0Q8Published on Nov 30, 2016

Something is Going Down.
These are MOSTLY Adult Males. Very few women. This is an ARMY.

DOWNLOAD THIS AND SPREAD IT!!

MAKE THIS GO VIRAL ! Make sure TRUMP See's this.
If you have a channel - put it up.

This is not my Video. I recorded it from a fellow member of Bill Whittle who posted the link to Bills FB page.

OK, after some detective work I've found that this video comes from a channel named: "The Myth of Feminism", who in turn does not reference where they got it from. But they first posted this in Sept of 16, and the info claims this has been going on for several months. So, this is NOT a one day occurrence, but has been ongoing. Which makes this even worse that this one video shows.

Let me re-iterate - THIS IS NOT GOOD.


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Africans entering US through Mexico in Secret:
My Interview with an African in Tijuana
(Published on Sep 5, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf8w41bYDZQ_______________________________________

African Migrants in Tijuana; Update
(Published on Sep 14, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqxt5_LSPTI_______________________________________

Team 10: Haitian refugees flooding into San Diego
(Published on Jun 9, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WADcyjViO48_______________________________________

Border Stories - Haitian Immigrants in Tijuana Seeking Asylum
(Published on Oct 10, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_PN1156xwo

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The Democratic party is collapsing. Steve Bannon pointed this out a while ago and Drudge has already suggested it as well. They are out of touch with common people, living in their own world, made up mostly of a bunch of bought-and-paid-for shills in their 70's, and hopelessly consumed by arrogance and elitism. Bannon thinks that Republicans may dominate the US government for the next 50 years, especially if Trump actually delivers results to inner cities and gets those areas out of Democrat subservience.


Democrat Reps Warn: ‘Demise of Party’ Imminent

Congressman Cleaver reveals Dems have “no plan, no strategy”

Congressman Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO) confessed that the Democratic party is an aimless, demoralized political faction after suffering crushing defeats in recent elections.

“At the present time… we have no strategy, and we have no plan,” he told MSNBC’s Craig Melvin. “I do think it is time for us to bring in younger leadership.”

“In fact, if we don’t, I think it will spell the demise of the Democratic caucus – if we’re not already primitively in a state of smallness.”

Democrats in Congress re-elected 76-year-old Nancy Pelosi as minority leader, earlier this week. She defeated 43-year-old Tim Ryan (D-Ohio).

The average age of Democrat leadership in the House is now 76 (Pelosi, Hoyer, Clyburn), while the average age of Republican leadership is 49 (Ryan, McCarthy, Scalise).

Democratic Rep. Ryan recently voiced concerns for the Democratic party’s decay that align with Cleaver’s.

“I’m pulling the fire alarm, because the house is burning down, and we better get our act together or we’re going to cease being a national party,” he told Fox Business. “We’re going to be a regional party that fails to get into the majority, and fails to do things on behalf of those working class people that were the backbone of the Democratic Party for so long.”

President Obama laid the blame for Democrat losses on “Fox News in every bar and restaurant in big chunks of the country,” as his latest attack on all media outlets that do not devoutly carry water for the socialist-globalist agenda.

http://www.infowars.com/democrat-reps-warn-demise-of-party-may-be-imminent/


Just like Hillary herself, these people can never take personal responsibility for their failures. It's always someone else's fault. They are always entitled to free stuff, to do whatever they want, at the risk of throwing a crybaby temper tantrum, but God forbid anything ever be their fault.



“A Generation That Has Never Been Told ‘No'” Daniel Hannan Destroys Anti-Trump Protestors’ Safe Spaces

This is not a safe space...

http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/8-26-16-safe-space.jpg

In just two short minutes MEP Daniel Hannan destroys the competitive virtue-signalling farce that is the Anti-Trump protestor, “this is the first generation that has been brought up not to tolerate opinions that they dislike… and they have been taught that the correct response to someone saying something you find ‘hurtful’ is to try and silence that person…” This is not about Trump, this is about a generation “that has never been told ‘no’ and can’t handle disagreement.”

http://www.infowars.com/a-generation-that-has-never-been-told-no-daniel-hannan-destroys-anti-trump-protestors-safe-spaces/

[TrumanCash]

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Welcome to the police state. With tweets like that Trump is just playing into the liberals claim earlier this year about his being another Hitler.

Looks like you fell for the bait just like the media did, Truman.

The last person to propose a ban on flag burning was Hillary Clinton herself in 2005. Trump was referencing the legislation she herself co-sponsored. A lot of media companies joined in bashing Trump for this and defending flag burning, only to have it dawn on them later that Clinton herself was pushing this.

Oops!


Trump Trolls Media into Savaging Hillary Clinton

President-elect Donald Trump trolled the mainstream media into unwittingly condemning Hillary Clinton by adopting her position on U.S. flag burning.

http://www.infowars.com/trump-trolls-media-into-savaging-hillary-clinton/


Flag burning btw is extremely unfavorable to most Americans. If people hate their country that much then what should they care if they lose their citizenship? I'm sure they can find a much better country to live in, like communist China or any number of socialist European countries. Right?

Hello, BS. I am responding to your accusation that I "fell for the bait just like the media did".

First of all, it is not proper forum etiquette to target individuals with accusations, especially unfounded non sequitur accusations. One should address the issues, not target individuals. I therefore reported your post to the mods.

Secondly, in my post I was only pointing out that Trump was not following the Bill of Rights with his statement. I was merely expressing my viewpoint, which has nothing to do with your false and misleading accusation.

Thirdly, to support your premise you relied on an article by Kit Daniels of InfoWars.com, which also contained a short video from Joe Biggs. The article was entitled Trump Trolls Media into Savaging Hillary Clinton with a subtitle of President-elect Donald Trump trolled the mainstream media into unwittingly condemning Hillary Clinton by adopting her position on U.S. flag burning.

However, the article provides no evidence to support the notion that Trump was being ironic (or whatever) and did not mean it literally. There is no other tweet provided by Trump, cited by either you or Daniels or Biggs, that modifies or corrects his position that flag burners should be imprisoned for one year or lose their citizenship.

Instead, Kit Daniels immediately diverges from the article title to attack Hillary Clinton and what she was doing vis-a-vis flag burning in 2005--a complete distraction from the stated title of the article. Daniels and Biggs continue to disregard their initial premise and focus only on Hillary Clinton and provide no evidence to actually support the false and misleading title to the article.

This is called "CLICK-BAIT". To understand why websites are increasingly using click-bait, you must understand the significance of getting people to click on links to web pages. The more clicks, or "hits", that one gets on a web page with a title containing certain key search terms/words, the better it registers on search engines, generally speaking. So sometimes websites use inflammatory, misleading or blatantly false information in the title of the web page just to get more "hits". That is the case with the article you cited.

InfoWars frequently uses this technique on their articles and videos and it is why I do not frequent their website. Such tactics actually support the current meme of "fake news". This tactic of course is not new and has been used in print media since time immemorial.

Daniels and Biggs have imposed a false and misleading intention in Trump's words that Trump himself has not expressed. This is not real jounalism! Real journalism involves a thing that seems to be lacking in our current society--TRUTH. I am fairly certain they are not mind readers so how could they know what Trump was thinking when he posted his inflammatory tweet attacking the First Article of the Bill of Rights? In that tweet he made no reference to Hillary Clinton. What Hillary Clinton did in 2005 is non sequitur to the tweet.

So there is some irony here as it appears that it was you who fell for the (click) bait. May I suggest that in the future you use more discernment in posting and not target individuals with false or misleading accusations and instead focus on the issues.

As Joe Friday would say:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51TB85JPM6L._SX313_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

TLC

[TargeT]

First of all, it is not proper forum etiquette to target individuals with accusations, especially unfounded non sequitur accusations. One should address the issues, not target individuals. I therefore reported your post to the mods.


Maybe he was just using a clever turn of phrase?

I think you over reacted a bit here. And besides that, do you resolve your issues through leverage of monopolized force? (going to the police, or the "mods" as it were with out trying to fix the situation your self?)

Do you really think he was targeting you in some way, or perhaps just misinterpreting your previous statement?

Forgiveness is where most our power resides ;)

[TrumanCash]

I respectfully disagree. I have seen so much time wasted by non sequitur posts and all these posts where people target others instead of just presenting facts, videos or their opinion are the major reasons that makes "social media" a waste of time.

IMO, we need to take the intellectual and spiritual high ground if we are to evolve into something better than what we currently have on this planet.

Also, as you may have noticed, I made an important point about how click bait controls people and sucks them into mind control propaganda. That is an important point. Also, I exposed the InfoWars propaganda and how they manipulate people into clicking on their inflammatory and misleading headlines.

And my original post regarding Trump's position on flag burning was in fact not only unconstitutional it was unconscionable. May I remind everyone that one of the first things that Hitler did after the Reichstag false flag was to suspend the Weimar Republic's Bill of Rights.

Trump must take a solemn oath to support and defend the US Constitution, which is the SUPREME law of the land. We must make sure that he does. This is very, very important.

Remember that Article VI states:

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

I think that is sufficiently self-explanatory.

[turiya]

The reaction is overblown, imo. I wouldn't take it as a so-called 'attack'... but rather, it was more of a 'presumption' by bsbray. It was presumed that 'the bait was taken'. To dispel a 'presumption', all that is needed is to rebut said presumption. A simple rebuttal to what was said - to the presumptive statement that was made - is all that is necessary... reporting bsbray to the mods is going way over-the-top, imo. I 'presume' that the mods will handle this in an appropriate manner.

Trump was also expressing his opinion. To express an opinion of whether there should be a law for flag-burning, Trump doesn't have to follow the Constitution to say this.... He's simply expressing his opinion. In my post #1269 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1117170&viewfull=1#post1117170), it was pointed out that flag-burning was not unlawful until 1969. It was made unlawful by the passage of an Amendment to the Constittution. Isn't that how Amendments to the Constitution are first brought about? - By expressing through opinion.

Its a fact that Hillary Clinton proposed a bill to make flag-burning unlawful... This is verified by Snopes. (http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-sponsored-a-bill-to-punish-flag-burning/#) Hillary wanted a punishment of 1 year in jail & a $100,000 fine for doing so...

So, come'on, what's the real beef, here?


http://static.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/hillary-clinton-flag-burning-2005.jpg

[TrumanCash]

No, I did not use the word the "attack". Please read my post again and see what words I actually used. Also, see the underlying messages that I am conveying.

What Trump actually said in his tweet was:

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

That is a fact. Let's just stick to the facts.

It is not an "over reaction" to correct someone's erroneous post and to point out that Infowars uses "click bait". Nor is it an "over reaction" to support the original US Constitution.

Most people including Trump have little knowledge of the Constitution or even the Bill of Rights and its Preamble. We are at a critical time in history when the people must push for the full implementation of the Bill of Rights. It is vital to the survival of civilization, IMO.

[turiya]

With the 'reporting' of bsbray to the mods.... for what he had said...
Then, I would take that as an 'attack' on him. Sorry if you disagree.
That's just in my opinion.

Yes - Taking the spiritual high ground would be the better way to go...

[TrumanCash]

We are supposed to report inappropriate posts. Why not read the forum rules?

The more people report inappropriate posts, the more the forum will take the intellectual and spiritual high ground instead of turning it into a degraded "social media" style of forum. This is the main reason I only post on Bill Ryan's forum-- because they don't allow it to become a free-for-all like God-like Productions and their ilk.

I will continue to report inappropriate posts. There is a reason for reporting inappropriate posts. Reporting them is not an "attack". :facepalm:

It is required to keep things sane, unemotional and on track. Let's take the intellectual and spiritual high road and stop wasting time with non sequitur remarks.

[turiya]

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[TrumanCash]

I remember grade school when we began the day pledging allegiance to the flag. It symbolized pledging allegiance "to the Republic for which it stands".

Today nearly everyone has no concept of what that means. The meaning comes from Article IV of the US Constitution, to wit:

Section 4. The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

Is there anyone on this forum who can define what a "republican" form of government is?

[turiya]

Sorry - unable to see it - cuz you made it onto my ignore list...

[TrumanCash]

Okay, still no takers on what a "republican" form of government is and for which apparently Trump is not aware along with most of the most important points in the US Constitution.

The Bar Association lawyers/liars have cleverly hidden the definition of "Republican government" in Black's Law Dictionary (6th Edition). You have to look it up under "G" for "government". Here it is:

Republican government: One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."

I would recommend that readers who are unfamiliar with this definition read it over and over again until it really sinks in.

So the US Masonic flag represents the sovereignty of the people, which I have found is no longer recognized by the so-called "government". It has been usurped by the Bar Association lawyers/liars and bankers. I have taken the Constitution into court on two occasions, was jailed for doing so and so have many others. Judges often refuse to allow people to cite the Constitution in court!

So the US Constitution is dead. The Republic is dead. Nearly everyone is just now a number under the unconstitutional/unconscionable US Code Title 42, section 666 (http://healthfreedom.info/mark_of_the_beast.htm).

The Masonic flag is an associated Masonic symbol of the "Great Seal's" All Seeing Eye above the Great Pyramid where the high priest cuts the heart out of a young girl and drink her blood. (I know this because I was there when it happened and it was all orchestrated by the Annunaki (i.e., Ra and Ptah in the Great Pyramid). (The red and white colors/stripes actually come from the symbolic colors of Upper and Lower Egypt and are seen on other flags and secret society symbols.)

So to those people who just can't bear to hear anything negative about Trump, I offer no apology for supporting the burning of the US flag, which to me symbolizes the burning of the Bill of Rights, US Constitution, the "Republic" and the triumph of the Masons and associated secret societies which have stolen freedom and justice from the common people as well as native Americans. Not only that but we are plagued with the Masonic, satanic, pedophilic aristocracy that operates above the law and still are allowed to perform these blood-letting rituals and prey upon children.

Burning the US flag is a statement that we do not want this tyranny (like it or not)! It's time for people to wake up and shed their cognitive dissonance. Trump said what he said:

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

This a big red flag, folks. As sovereigns in a "Republic", when they buy a flag and burn it, it is their property and is covered by Article IV of the Bill of Rights (i.e., our Right to private property). Trump does not have this kind of legitimate power over the sovereign people when he is "inaugurated"! :wizard:

Also, Trump supports the Dakota Access Pipeline (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93274-Dakota-Pipeline-Protests...Who-s-gonna-participate&p=1117661&viewfull=1#post1117661) which, along with the fascist Sheriff in that county, is terrorizing the sovereign native people on their own unceded land under the Treaty of 1851. Another example of Trump violating the US Constitution (i.e., Article VI thereof). Thankfully, there are over 2,000 veterans who understand the Constitution and are coming to help the native Water Protectors on their land.

And, yes, Hillary is the greater of the two evils, but what do we the sovereign people get in the end?

[turiya]

Fireworks at traditional meet-up...


Kellyanne Conway Reacts To Heated Harvard Debate
With Clinton Campaign On Fox & Friends 12/2/16
(Published on Dec 2, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zj8GmnyM8k

[ThePythonicCow]

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Welcome to the police state. With tweets like that Trump is just playing into the liberals claim earlier this year about his being another Hitler.

Looks like you fell for the bait just like the media did, Truman.


I agree with what some others have posted above - Trump wasn't baiting anyone. He repeated his position in his talk in Cincinnati Ohio earlier today, saying "if people burn the American flag, there should be consequences." Listen at about the 42 minute mark in the video at Trump thanks Ohio, gives best speech ever (https://www.intellihub.com/trump-thanks-ohio-gives-best-speech-ever/).

My guess is that Trump is "playing to the crowd". The flag is an important and beloved symbol of our "great nation" (as Trump would call it) to many people in fly over country.

As Jim Croce sang (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrTGE4wwwA) of some other symbols, many Americans feel about the flag:

You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim
I doubt that Trump is going to be staying up late at night to actually get any particular laws passed to penalize flag burning. Rather this is another way, a visceral emotional instantly understood way, for him to say that he stands with us, patriotic Americans, who have been betrayed by the fat cats in Washington and major corporations.

===

I've been noticing out of the corner of my eye some squabbling going on between two or three members, mostly on this thread. I've done nothing, hoping folks calm down, as I'm more interested in continuing work on some code I'm writing to improve our forum firewall a bit more. I'll point out however that when people Report posts that they think might need some attention from the moderators, or that when people choose to put others on their ignore list, it usually works better if they don't announce it on the thread. Such announcements, in many situations, will come across as further provocations.

Best to just chill out a bit. I get grumpy if I have to be pulled away from some good code, to clean up after some bad manners :).

Thanks.

[onawah]

I am taking very much a "wait and see" stance when it comes to Trump (though I'm certainly glad that HRC didn't win) and if he is going to choose to profit off of Standing Rock, then I will definitely NOT be a fan, but this at least:
http://www.thevaccinereaction.org/2016/12/nominee-for-secretary-of-health-and-human-services-tom-price-supports-individual-autonomy/ looks like it might actually be good news.

Nominee for Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price Supports Individual Autonomy
by The Vaccine Reaction Staff
Published December 2, 2016


U.S. Representative Tom Price has been nominated for the position of Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Service (HHS) by President-elect Donald Trump. The six-term Republican congressman from Georgia’s 6th District currently serves as Chairman of the House Budget Committee.1

If confirmed by the U.S. Senate, Rep. Price, 62, would lead a department that has an annual operating budget of more than $1 trillion and oversees a number of key health regulatory agencies, including the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).2 3 4

Rep. Price is an orthopedic surgeon.1 5 He is a member of the GOP Doctors Caucus in the House—a group of physicians in the House that has aggressively opposed the Affordable Care Act (ACA), also known as Obamacare.6 He is a strong proponent of individual autonomy, which includes the right of patients to make independent choices about their health care options, with minimal intervention by government. In an interview with ThinkProgress, Rep. Price said:

What government-run medicine does is forces other individuals besides themselves and their families making medical decisions. … [W]hat I support is allowing patients to make independent medical decisions.7
Rep. Price is also a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), which supports informed consent to medical risk taking and opposes mandatory vaccination. The group has called for a moratorium on all government mandated vaccines.8 9 10

AAPS Executive Director Jane Orient, MD, stated in a press release issued by the organization that,

“Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits.10
Dr. Orient added:

It’s obscene to threaten to seize a child just because his parents refuse medical treatment that is obviously unnecessary and perhaps even dangerous. AAPS believes that parents, with the advice of their doctors, should make decisions about their children’s medical care—not government bureaucrats.10
Rep. Price has said that, “when patients, and their families, and their doctors are not allowed to independently decide what care should be provided, we lose more than our healthcare system. We lose our morality and our freedom.”

If it saves more children from tragic deaths by vaccines and even more tragic living hells by autism and other crippling vaccine reactions, and more adults from similar fates, then that will be a blessing, and a start toward a saner world.

[Operator]

The Democratic National Party may be in even more hot water if the info posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86769-This-may-be-Obama-s-real-birth-certificate--but-may-also-be-a-hoax-&p=1116655&viewfull=1#post1116655
and here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86769-This-may-be-Obama-s-real-birth-certificate--but-may-also-be-a-hoax-&p=1116656&viewfull=1#post1116656
...bears fruit. It's been a long time coming, but it's looking very ripe:

The photographs of the Nesbitts really are convincing.
I recommend watching the first 6 minutes, but there's a rant following that :facepalm:

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(This looks like very damning evidence :flame: Somebody might want to copy these--unfortunately I don't know how.)
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More shocking info on Obama and previous administrations ... not verified yet but it makes sense if true:

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[turiya]

Thanks Paul.

I thought it would help to dissipate the unnecessary back & forth rhetoric (for the sake of the thread) if another member(s) understood that no attention was going to be paid to whatever else that would later be written...

And to Truman: apologies are given for announcing & initiating the 'ignore list' & follow-up post. I will remove your name from the list, as I do hope we can come to a better mutual understanding of each other... I mean, at the very least, we can respectfully agree to disagree with each other.

Best regards...

And, To Operator
More shocking info on Obama
More on the gay couple, Michele & Barack at Post #1000 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1112955&viewfull=1#post1112955)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

There's another angle of the flag burning controversy worth considering. MSM has been talking about censorship of social media, including Facebook and Twitter, and even censorship of Trump directly. No "freedom of speech" concerns from MSM there.

But when Trump raised the flag-burning issue, echoing the legislation Hillary proposed in 2005, now you see the MSM hypocritically complaining about "freedom of speech" when it comes to the right to burn the flag. So they don't want us to have the freedom to express controversial or potentially offensive views online, but they are keen to protect our freedom to burn the American flag, which, again, is actually a much less popular thing to do in the US than expressing controversial opinions.

So I think aside from drawing attention to the hypocrisy of MSM not giving Hillary any hell over her bill in 2005, it's also drawing attention to the hypocrisy of their selective (and again, politically-motivated) defense of freedom of speech.



It is not an "over reaction" to correct someone's erroneous post and to point out that Infowars uses "click bait".

I used to be turned off by InfoWars just because of the epic rants Alex Jones would work himself into. But I started watching them again this election cycle and they have been right on just about everything they have reported. The only big mistake I remember Alex Jones making is that he was accusing Assange of basically being a traitor to the cause when his promised game-changer wasn't released on time, but he later corrected himself there when more information came out.

For the rest of it, InfoWars has been spot-on about everything during the election. They knew that Trump was actually ahead in the polls, that the Clinton campaign was going to try to rig it through massive vote fraud (and Project Veritas, together with Bev Harris, were going into all the nitty-gritty detail of how exactly that was happening, undercover videos and confrontations with election officials and all), etc. etc. They've been on #Pizzagate too, and have been getting insider info on the FBI investigations, threading the proverbial needle with the legally-required "allegedly" claims and being careful to report all of this in a fair manner.

InfoWars is getting about 40-85 million viewers/listeners a day now, btw. They are stomping all of the MSM news networks in ratings except maybe Fox. The Drudge Report gets the most views in terms of online news (over a billion a month lately, completely destroying MSM), but InfoWars isn't far behind. The "legacy media" companies like CNN and MSNBC have ratings that are in the dumps and papers like the New York Times are all but literally going out of business, posting a 95% profit loss over the past year.

The face of media is changing and whether people like Alex Jones or not, I have bad news. Trump is probably going to be issuing InfoWars reporters press passes when he gets into office, and treating them with the respect they deserve for their ratings alone. It's over for the corporate shill media.

[T Smith]

"Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

Welcome to the police state. With tweets like that Trump is just playing into the liberals claim earlier this year about his being another Hitler.

Looks like you fell for the bait just like the media did, Truman.


I agree with what some others have posted above - Trump wasn't baiting anyone. He repeated his position in his talk in Cincinnati Ohio earlier today, saying "if people burn the American flag, there should be consequences." Listen at about the 42 minute mark in the video at Trump thanks Ohio, gives best speech ever (https://www.intellihub.com/trump-thanks-ohio-gives-best-speech-ever/).

My guess is that Trump is "playing to the crowd". The flag is an important and beloved symbol of our "great nation" (as Trump would call it) to many people in fly over country.

As Jim Croce sang (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrTGE4wwwA) of some other symbols, many Americans feel about the flag:

You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim
I doubt that Trump is going to be staying up late at night to actually get any particular laws passed to penalize flag burning. Rather this is another way, a visceral emotional instantly understood way, for him to say that he stands with us, patriotic Americans, who have been betrayed by the fat cats in Washington and major corporations.



I think we Libertarians are in for a long four years if we take everything DJT says literally... Perhaps the best characterization of this dynamic is explained by billionaire Peter Thiel, who observed the failure on the part of the Press was to report on and take everything DJT said literally, but not seriously, while its disconnect with the electorate was the electorate took everything DJT said seriously, but not literally. My guess is this will characterize a "new" kind of politics post DJT era, and if the media fails to adapt, they will become even more obsolete than they already are.

But yes, if Donald J. Trump actually employs executive action/ power and/or pushes for any type of legislation that would make flag burning illegal, it will raise the alarm bells for me. Until such time, it doesn't bother me. I just don't see it happening. Nor am I overly concerned about it.

In short, I reserve judgement, for now.

[turiya]

Recent Trump Twitter Tweets:






http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/804848711599882240)
The President of Taiwan CALLED ME today to wish me congratulations on winning the Presidency. Thank you!

4:44 PM - 2 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/804848711599882240)



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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/804848711599882240)
Interesting how the U.S. sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call.

5:41 PM - 2 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/804848711599882240)



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I think we Libertarians are in for a long four years...


When Leftists Attack
(You will love this...)
(Published on Dec 2, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsoVYStL6gQ From Youtube: backstory:

the neighbors above me agitate constantly so i hang out in the clubhouse to get work done.

This is a particularly clear example of the kind of nonsense hostility I deal with on a regular basis. I’m wearing a #buildthewall (https://www.youtube.com/results?q=%23buildthewall) print t-shirt


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[T Smith]

I think we Libertarians are in for a long four years...


When Leftists Attack
(You will love this...)
(Published on Dec 2, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsoVYStL6gQ From Youtube: backstory:

the neighbors above me agitate constantly so i hang out in the clubhouse to get work done.

This is a particularly clear example of the kind of nonsense hostility I deal with on a regular basis. I’m wearing a #buildthewall (https://www.youtube.com/results?q=%23buildthewall) print t-shirt




Wow. That was alarming. And disturbing. But an apt vignette of the current political climate.

As a general observation, I find far more authoritarianism, fascism, and intolerance from the left, which is not to say I also do not observe this to some degree from the right. But what is most disturbing about this seemingly ever-pervasive dynamic from the left is it is a worldview and mindset being mass produced... She actually wears her indoctrination and ignorance as a badge of courage and achievement, which makes me seriously question the present quality of higher education. Those without the right intellect, discernment, or critical thinking skills, who go through this indoctrination process (or simply absorb their worldview from MSM) are easily churned and molded into mindless drones, a whole generation of political operatives unknowingly advancing a sinister agenda for reasons and objectives they know not what.

As a personal example of this new thinking that has seemingly pervaded recent in-doctorates of this younger generation, my sister-in-law's young twenty-something daughter has broke all ties with recent family members, with whom she always maintained a very close and loving relationship, including canceling a wedding trip across country that had been previously planned, simply because she discovered her aunt, who was getting married, had voted for Trump. She proudly proclaimed through all her social media channels that she would disown any family member who voted for Trump, including her parents, and she is now acting on it.

Unless we can figure out a way to reach some of these people (yes, discussion and various viewpoints and perspectives are always good, even those with whom we disagree) I'm afraid we are in for some very choppy waters ahead.

[TargeT]

As a general observation, I find far more authoritarianism, fascism, and intolerance from the left, which is not to say I also do not observe this to some degree from the right. But what is most disturbing about this seemingly ever-pervasive dynamic from the left is it is a worldview and mindset being mass produced... She actually wears her indoctrination and ignorance as a badge of courage and achievement, which makes me seriously question the present quality of higher education. Those without the right intellect, discernment, or critical thinking skills, who go through this indoctrination process (or simply absorb their worldview from MSM) are easily churned and molded into mindless drones, a whole generation of political operatives unknowingly advancing a sinister agenda for reasons and objectives they know not what.

Well first off, she was filming with her phone held vertically, so right off the bat we know there's an issue... (haha)

Her smugness and flaunting of her education going so far as to say she's more educated than anyone in his family.... This is showing us what has been built up as the prime achievement for this young lady (and others like her) and it's College... or more realistically, starting life out in debt with a false sense of security.

At this point, when I hear someone say they are going to college (unless the person I'm speaking to impresses me) I assume they are stupid and fell for the trap/lie of "higher" education....

I tried to talk my sister out of it, now she has thousands of dollars in debt and a low paying day care job to show for it.

Also, doesn't seeing a shirt with " #BUILDTHEWALL " and then immediately assuming the person wearing it is racist etc... like the EXACT type of bigotry (making judgements based on appearance) that those types of people rail against all the time? I found that a bit ironic.



As a personal example of this new thinking that has seemingly pervaded recent in-doctorates of this younger generation, my sister-in-law's young twenty-something daughter has broke all ties with recent family members, with whom she always maintained a very close and loving relationship, including canceling a wedding trip across country that had been previously planned, simply because she discovered her aunt, who was getting married, had voted for Trump. She proudly proclaimed through all her social media channels that she would disown any family member who voted for Trump, including her parents, and she is now acting on it.

Unless we can figure out a way to reach some of these people (yes, discussion and various viewpoints and perspectives are always good, even those with whom we disagree) I'm afraid we are in for some very choppy waters ahead.


It seems that the "leftists" have very strongly held beliefs, and when strongly held beliefs are challenged our brains go into "fight/flight/freeze" mode, we become literally "narrow minded" and even have short term memory issues (It's like our beliefs were never challenged later!).

The best I've found is "beating around the bush"... tackling less strongly held beliefs to slowly erode the core belief system with small doses of facts and truth that display hypocrisy and logical fallacy (RAMPANT among most people).

[norman]

I big LEVELER would be handy right now. Full disclosure of ETs and human history would sort us all out pretty quick.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

A video clip of Hillary Clinton arguing for legislation banning the burning of flags has resurfaced:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M9tJa5ffrQ


I still see this whole thing as another of many examples of Trump trolling the MSM in epic fashion. That doesn't mean he'll let it drop quickly, since the longer they berate him for it it the longer people have this opportunity to see the liberal media's total hypocrisy. Not like the leaking of debate questions to Hillary in advance and directly colluding with her team on how to cover news wasn't indication enough.


Meanwhile The Guardian is also being trolled hard with real "fake news," and it took the bait, hook line and sinker:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QvbH-NO-a4


In their case some person identifying as a "gender-queer Muslim atheist" (who prefers being referred to by the gender pronoun "xirself" -- that's a good one, isn't it?) had them publish an article about how the "alt-right" almost turned him/her into a racist. After the Guardian published it (and the Guardian has vowed to defend Europe against Trumpian populist movements, btw, since the common people are so evil and elitism needs to be defended so staunchly in the press) a bunch of other liberal bloggers and news outlets picked up the story without realizing they were also being trolled. :ROFL:

[turiya]

...It seems that the "leftists" have very strongly held beliefs, and when strongly held beliefs are challenged our brains go into "fight/flight/freeze" mode, we become literally "narrow minded" and even have short term memory issues (It's like our beliefs were never challenged later!).

The best I've found is "beating around the bush"... tackling less strongly held beliefs to slowly erode the core belief system with small doses of facts and truth that display hypocrisy and logical fallacy (RAMPANT among most people).

Its literally a 'mind-blow' to witness a sort of civil war actually taking place. Between those that have become somewhat attached to their brainwashing that's been implanted by the MSM & educational system, and those that have moved beyond fake news outlets & have developed a more evolved disposition rooted in awareness.

Don't get me wrong... there are still plenty of dim-witted 'tag-alongs' that are attempting to piggy-back their extremist views onto this 'Trump Train' phenomenon. But I still think that the majority can be considered to be called that 'Silent Majority' - the video of the man being harrassed for wearing his @BuildtheWall t-shirt while maintaining his emotional quietude through remaining quite centered, he makes a fine example of this.


I big LEVELER would be handy right now.
Full disclosure of ETs and human history would sort us all out pretty quick.

Yes. Either that or a near total economic collapse... this would in a way transplant us all onto a different kind world that we would have to live in together... or increase this tension much more than it is... as an economic implosion would, of course, be blamed on Trump...


Jim Sinclair-Financial Pressure Cooker
Bomb Cooking Now
(Published on Dec 3, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7VD2z7jDNg

[Chester]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_barrier


A border barrier is a separation barrier that runs along an international border. Such barriers are typically constructed for border control purposes, viz. to curb illegal immigration, human trafficking and smuggling.

In this Wikipedia article - 35 or so examples are mentioned which involve two or more countries each.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It seems that the "leftists" have very strongly held beliefs, and when strongly held beliefs are challenged our brains go into "fight/flight/freeze" mode, we become literally "narrow minded" and even have short term memory issues (It's like our beliefs were never challenged later!).

True liberalism is about freedom. There is a saying, something like, "Your freedom ends where my freedom begins." In other words real freedom doesn't go so far as to actually censor what people can say just because someone else might be offended. That's actually a form of oppression, just like what you see in China. The Founding Fathers were politically liberal in many ways, especially for their time, but nowadays the left has become so radicalized with Marxist and Communist philosophies of the big nanny state government and media dictating everything from the top-down, that those liberal ideas are being increasingly seen as "ultra-conservative."

The left today does not truly represent liberals. When the Democratic party finally collapses (if Trump lost it would have been the Republican party that collapsed -- it was equally absent of leadership during the Bush years) I hope that real liberals who remember the original meaning of the word step up to pick up the banner and carry on. That's not to say that I'll vote for them, but at least there will be a real discussion again instead of just SJW suppression and crybabies, who literally cried when their Satanic corporatist candidate lost. I don't even like Bernie Sanders but at least he was more in touch with the common people, as ill-informed as they may be.


I just recently subscribed to this guy's YouTube channel:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBMPzZzqhkU

[onawah]

Trump: what dangers does he face from Globalists?
Trilateral Commission, CFR, WEF/Davos, Bilderberg
by Jon Rappoport
December 3, 2016
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/12/03/trump-what-dangers-does-he-face-from-globalists/

Best not to be too naive about this...


As I keep emphasizing, Trump achieved two great things in his campaign for the presidency: he stopped Hillary Clinton from occupying the Oval Office, and he ran against big media, helping to further destroy its reputation.

From here on, we shall see.

How many compromises will the new president permit? How many will he seek?

To put it another way, how many covert victories will arch-Globalist David Rockefeller and his associates pile up? They are, of course, aware that Trump has promised to kick the can of Globalism down the road, stop the excesses of “free trade,” and bring stolen jobs back to America. What actions will they take against Trump?

Here’s a lesson from the past, about a president who put a brief dent in David Rockefeller’s master-plan. Let’s look at Richard Nixon and a different version of Watergate, the scandal that toppled him.

On the mega-corporate front, the plan for world control remains the Rockefeller template. “Free trade.” This plan was advanced, ceaselessly, for 40 years until, on January 1, 1995, the World Trade Organization was fully formed and took charge of criminal rules of global commerce: the crowning moment for global corporate predators. No more tariffs.

However, back in the early 1970s, the whole operation had almost been derailed. One man, a crook, a president, a liar, an insecure parody of a head of state, Richard Nixon, went off script. He REALLY went off script.

In an effort to bolster US companies and protect them from foreign competition, Nixon began erecting tariffs on a range of goods imported into the US.

If this Nixon economic plan spread to other countries, the entire global program to install “free trade” and mega-corporate emperors on their thrones for a thousand years could crash and burn.

Nixon was a Rockefeller man. He was owned by them. He’d been rescued from financial ruin by The Family, and now he was in the White House undermining their greatest dream. You can’t overstate the degree of the betrayal, from the Rockefeller point of view. You simply can’t.

Something had to be done. The president had to go. This was the real motivation behind Watergate. This was the real op. Yes, there were sub-motives and smaller contexts, but the prime move was: get Free Trade back on track; get suitable revenge on the puppet in the White House who went off the script.

Whether the Watergate break-in was planned to serve the higher goal or was pounced upon after the fact, as a grand opportunity, is beside the point. It was there, and it was used. It became the starting point for the Washington Post, its publisher, veteran editor, and two cub reporters to break Richard Nixon into pieces.

And if the Rockefeller people needed an inside man to report on the deteriorating mental state of the president as he heated up in the pressure cooker, they had Henry Kissinger, who was another Rockefeller operative.

The Washington Post was owned by Katharine Graham, who was a very close friend of the Rockefeller family. Years later, she would be awarded a medal of honor by the University of Chicago, an institution founded by John D. Rockefeller. On her death, a paid heartfelt obituary was inserted in the NY Times by the trustees, faculty, and staff of Rockefeller University, where she had served on the University Council.

And she and Nixon already hated each other by the early 1970s.

The managing editor of the Washington Post, Ben Bradlee, was an old hand at writing promotional material, having worked in Europe crafting releases for a CIA front group. A former Naval intelligence man, he liked one of his cub reporters, Bob Woodward, who had also worked for the Navy in intelligence.

When Woodward came to Bradlee with a story about a man in a parking garage who was passing secrets from the White House/FBI about Watergate, we are supposed to believe that Bradlee naturally responded by giving the green light to a major investigation. Woodward and Carl Bernstein, another cub, would undertake it—with nothing more than Bradlee’s reputation and the future survival of the Post and Katharine Graham’s empire on the line if the cubs got it wrong.

We are supposed to believe Bradlee gave the green light, without knowing who the man in the garage was, without knowing whether Woodward could be trusted, without even getting permission from Graham to move ahead.

Bradlee, a grizzled veteran of Washington, understanding exactly what Washington could do to people who told secrets out of school, just said to Woodward and Bernstein, “You’d better be damned sure you’re right, because otherwise we’re all in trouble.”

Two untested cub reporters set loose in a cage with tigers.

The odds of that happening were nil.

Bradlee had to know a great deal from the beginning, and he had to have Katharine Graham’s signal to move. The series of breaking stories would be spoon-fed to the unsuspecting young reporters, instead of veteran reporters who would become suspicious that they were being used. The cubs would be consumed by their ambition to advance their careers.

Bradlee was confident in the whole op because he had the essentials of the Watergate scandal in hand—all the way up to Nixon, the target—well in advance of his two young reporters.

To have proceeded otherwise—Bradlee was simply not that kind of fool. Whatever Deep Throat, the man in the garage, was dishing out to Woodward didn’t really matter. Bradlee already had it in his pocket. Deep Throat was merely a contrivance to allow the story to expand and grow by steps, and to permit Woodward and Bernstein to believe they were peeling layers from an onion.

The man behind the curtain was David Rockefeller.

After the whole scandal had been exposed and Nixon had flown away, in disgrace, from the White House for the last time, Rockefeller addressed a meeting of the Chamber of Commerce of the European Community (October 1975). He was there to allay their fears about Nixon’s betrayal of the new economic world order. There was really very little he needed to say. David had already created (1973) the elite free-trade Trilateral Commission; a new puppet, Gerald Ford, was in the White House; and Ford had appointed David’s brother, Nelson Rockefeller, as his vice president.

David told the European attendees, “Fortunately, there are no signs that these anti-[free] trade measures [of Nixon] are supported by the [Ford] Administration.”

And that was that. The global mega-corporate colossus was back on track.

The temporary rip in the Matrix had been repaired.

The Matrix Revealed

On a far lower level of power politics, everyone and his brother was consumed with the contrails of the scandal that had driven away Nixon and his colleagues. People were congratulating each other on expunging a corrupt conspiracy from public life.

The real players, of course, were still in place, more powerful than ever. David Rockefeller and his aides were preparing for an even greater coup. They had chosen an obscure man with zero name recognition to be the next president of the United States. Jimmy Carter. Carter would function to forward the goals of the Trilateral Commission in bold view of anyone who knew the score.

And every president since Carter, regardless of party affiliation, has supported and extended those Globalist-corporate goals. No questions asked. Obama, who fatuously remarked during his 2008 election campaign that NAFTA “needs to be revisited,” has taken his cues like any other puppet.

When, from this perspective, you examine the global takeover of land and resources by GMO agribusiness, the destruction of small family farms, the plundering of natural resources in the Third World, the use of UN “peacekeepers” and “humanitarian groups” and intelligence agencies to create a wedge, for corporations, into these areas, you see the hand of the Rockefeller plan.

When you see the destruction of currencies and the escalation of insupportable debt, the incursion of a bewildering number of UN-affiliated groups sinking their teeth into local communities all over the planet to “manage sustainable development,” you see the plan.

Now, as Donald Trump prepares to take office as the 45th president of the United States, the plan is very much intact. What will he do to disrupt it? How much will he risk? What deals will he make? How far will he go in opposing the Rockefeller Globalists? Is he already co-opted? What measures are the Globalists launching?

We will see.

But the lesson of Richard Nixon reveals that David Rockefeller and his team are willing to do whatever it takes to depose an enemy.

They play hardball.

Jon Rappoport

[norman]

That Jim Sinclair fella knows a thing or two. Even if he's only a gold trader, he's spot on about how the automatic virtual market values are meaningless.

[turiya]

Trump: what dangers does he face from Globalists?
Trilateral Commission, CFR, WEF/Davos, Bilderberg
by Jon Rappoport
December 3, 2016

[...]

The real players, of course, were still in place, more powerful than ever. David Rockefeller and his aides were preparing for an even greater coup. They had chosen an obscure man with zero name recognition to be the next president of the United States. Jimmy Carter. Carter would function to forward the goals of the Trilateral Commission in bold view of anyone who knew the score.

And every president since Carter, regardless of party affiliation, has supported and extended those Globalist-corporate goals. No questions asked. Obama, who fatuously remarked during his 2008 election campaign that NAFTA “needs to be revisited,” has taken his cues like any other puppet.

When, from this perspective, you examine the global takeover of land and resources by GMO agribusiness, the destruction of small family farms, the plundering of natural resources in the Third World, the use of UN “peacekeepers” and “humanitarian groups” and intelligence agencies to create a wedge, for corporations, into these areas, you see the hand of the Rockefeller plan.

When you see the destruction of currencies and the escalation of insupportable debt, the incursion of a bewildering number of UN-affiliated groups sinking their teeth into local communities all over the planet to “manage sustainable development,” you see the plan.

Now, as Donald Trump prepares to take office as the 45th president of the United States, the plan is very much intact. What will he do to disrupt it? How much will he risk? What deals will he make? How far will he go in opposing the Rockefeller Globalists? Is he already co-opted? What measures are the Globalists launching?

We will see.

But the lesson of Richard Nixon reveals that David Rockefeller and his team are willing to do whatever it takes to depose an enemy.

They play hardball --Jon Rappoport

Yes, I distinctly remember that moment during Obama's 2008 campaign when he was asked specifically about the CFR & the notion of a North American Union - whether he was aligned with it, or was participating with this agenda?

His response was a pretense, imo - a pretension - pretending that he had never heard of this before...

"...What do you call it?" - 'North American... Union'?" - A clever side-step... too clever... as it seemed clear to me, in the way he responded to this question...

This was enough for me to arouse my suspicion in this particular man... I refused to register to vote because of this one particular answer to this one question...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyUeo0zeogA

Whether Trump can overcome the immensity of power that is presently finding itself being threatened by, overwhelmed by it... It is the biggest question yet to be answered... its almost asking for a miracle... to ask the question... Will Trump be able to find his way through this labyrinth... through this maze of powerful diabolical forces... without, himself, becoming overwhelmed by the treachery???


That Jim Sinclair fella knows a thing or two. Even if he's only a gold trader, he's spot on about how the automatic virtual market values are meaningless.

Even Jim Sinclair, with all his life-long experience in knowing how rigged the system is, he's expressed the doubt he has...

"This degraded world has little chance of significant change with another Goldman Alumni as Secretary of the US Treasury [Steve Mnuchin], as well another 1% being in the US cabinet as Secretary of Commerce [Wilbur Ross Jr].

The greatest men and women that every walked the Earth did not have a penny to their name or in any self administrated charitable trust. What we have might be better than than the alternative, but most probably not by much. A president is usually the sum of his closest advisors.

Where I am concerned the case is closed.

Personally, I am extremely disappointed.

Machiavelli, or more formally Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli lives. He has often been called the founder of modern political science or the worst SOB that ever took birth.

We are back to the “Hope and Change” mock scenario.”--Jim Sinclair

Stupid is as Stupid does...
Whatever is said by the present-day pundits... what they say... in what they say & think... My HS flies into the face of this most highly improbable ordeal & tells me... Yes, Donald Trump will find his way through this dark-night madness...

I can't say that I believe in this... but can only sit in my seat at the back of the theater... & watch this to be played out... and accept whatever ending that has been written into this particular script. I must say, that I don't like to know how the movie ends before seeing it...

...Popcorn, anyone?

[turiya]

https://kauilapele.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/zero_hedge_logo_31.gif
Jill Stein Drops PA Recount,
Blames Lack Of Funds, Slams System
That's "Stacked Against Voters" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-03/steins-green-party-drops-pennsylvania-recount-blames-lack-funds)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 3, 2016 7:10 PM
Following disappointing results from the initial recount efforts in Pennsylvania (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-03/trumps-lead-pa-shrinks-22000-votes-stein-seeks-statewide-recount), CBS reports (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/) Jill Stein's Green Party is dropping its court case seeking a statewide recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election, blaming a lack of funds.

As we noted earlier, according to Philly Voice (http://www.phillyvoice.com/trumps-lead-in-pennsylvania-is-shrinking-and-philly-recount-not-in-yet/), an updated count Friday by state election officials shows Trump’s lead over Democrat Hillary Clinton has shrunk from 71,000 to 49,000. If this new number is accurate, Trump’s lead is at 0.8 percent, down from more than 1 percent. That is still shy of Pennsylvania’s 0.5 percent trigger for an automatic statewide recount.

On Monday, Jill Stein of the Green Party filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania seeking a statewide recount of presidential votes in a continuation of her mission to contest the election results in three key voting states.

But now, wanted to explore whether voting machines and systems had been hacked and the election result manipulated, as CBS reports (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/), The Green Party is dropping its case...

The decision came Saturday, two days before a court hearing in the case.

Lawyers for the Green Party-backed voters who filed the case say they can’t afford the $1 million bond ordered by the court by Monday at 5 p.m.

However, Green Party-backed efforts to analyze election software in scattered precincts are continuing.

Full statement...

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/12/02/20161203_PA.jpg
According to a statement, Stein plans to hold a news conference about the recount effort Monday morning outside Trump Tower in New York City.

"The judge's outrageous demand that voters pay such an exorbitant figure is a shameful, unacceptable barrier to democratic participation,"

"This is yet another sign that Pennsylvania's antiquated election law is stacked against voters."

A statement from the Pennsylvania GOP sent Saturday night read, in part:

“The filing of a discontinuance of the Election Contest by Jill Stein’s petitioners tonight is a recognition that their Election Contest was completely without merit, and meant solely for purposes to delay the Electoral College vote in Pennsylvania for President-Elect Trump…

Candidate Jill Stein’s allegations created the false allusion that some unidentified foreign government hacked our state’s voting systems when absolutely no such proof existed. We believe that she always knew that she had no such proof.”

So did Stein really spend all the $6 million-plus she raised (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-03/jill-stein-raises-fundraising-goal-again-95mm-mere-38x-her-original-25mm-target) or was the decision made to save the scammed millions instead of pressing ahead with a futile unwarranted recount? (or did Soros run out of cash?)

SOUROS (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-03/steins-green-party-drops-pennsylvania-recount-blames-lack-funds)

[ThePythonicCow]

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Jill Stein Drops PA Recount,
Blames Lack Of Funds, Slams System
That's "Stacked Against Voters" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-03/steins-green-party-drops-pennsylvania-recount-blames-lack-funds)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 3, 2016 7:10 PMFollowing disappointing results from the initial recount efforts in Pennsylvania (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-03/trumps-lead-pa-shrinks-22000-votes-stein-seeks-statewide-recount), CBS reports (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/) Jill Stein's Green Party is dropping its court case seeking a statewide recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election, blaming a lack of funds.
Jim Stone, on his website http://82.221.129.208/baasepagee6.html, is calling this story as false.

He writes:

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DO NOT BE FOOLED. THE MSM LIED. JILL DID NOT DROP THE RECOUNT.

Everything I mention in this update is fully documented with links in the page below, and I mean DOCUMENTED to the last letter.

Jill will now continue the recount effort by suing every single major precinct. The MSM LIED AS USUAL. First of all, they are not covering any of the recount issues well at all - many people do not even know it is going on. Now, they are lying about Pennsylvania.

THIS IS THE NEW STRATEGY:

1. CONTINUE FORGING BALLOTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (where they are replacing genuine ballots with forgeries) until they have enough forgeries to either flip it to hillary or force a recount. This is exactly how they mysteriously came up with over 25,000 more ballots for Hillary and shrunk Trump's lead to 49,000. They came up with an initial 22,000 on Friday and were able to forge an additional 4,000 today. At this rate, they will trip a recount in 3 more days, and steal it entirely in 12 days. And you can watch it happen on Pennsylvania's own vote tabulation web site. The media is lying and saying the vote tabulation is done, all the while you can still see them creep in on Pennsylvania's official web site. The MSM has got to know this, and they are lying about it for a reason. The official web site makes it very clear: The posted results are NOT OFFICIAL because it is still ongoing as of two hours before Dec 4.

2. CONTINUE THE RECOUNT EFFORT AT A PRECINCT LEVEL RATHER THAN A STATE LEVEL in the hopes of flipping enough to Hillary to either hand it to her outright, or trigger a recount. These two methods in conjunction with each other, are extremely likely to flip it if people sit on the couch and let it happen.

I AM NOT CLICK BAITING OR TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE, I AM SAYING IT LIKE IT IS. For some reason Pennsylvania STILL has precincts with "uncounted" ballots ALMOST A MONTH after the election. This is ONLY because team hillary has people forging ballots until the election is flipped. IF PEOPLE GO TO SLEEP AND LET THIS SLIDE, IT WILL BE FLIPPED.

Look people, I am NOT MAKING THIS STUFF UP. I have all the links and proof this is going on. I am not quoting joe blow or fake news, I am quoting AP directly and proving it is NOT OVER by showing you plain as day on Pennsylvania's own election tallying state web site that is showing the slip to oblivion with updates every three minutes. THEY ARE STEALING THIS, AND YOU CAN WATCH IT PROGRESS HERE (http://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/ENR_NEW) The actual page date is at the bottom of the page, the date at the top of the page was put there on election day.

IMPORTANT NOTE: All precincts were shown as "reporting" and the graph has shown 100% for weeks now and did within a couple days of the election. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE COUNT IS DONE, I HAVE CONFIRMED THAT EVEN NOW, SATURDAY EVENING, THEY HAVE NOT RETURNED ALL VOTES (obviously because in the big precincts they are STILL FORGING BALLOTS.

I am not alone in saying the recount is not over, other credible web sites (http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/no-pennsylvania-recount-effort-isnt-yes-mainstream-media-lying/359/) are saying the same thing! THE MSM WANTS YOU TO BELIEVE IT IS OVER SO YOU GO HOME, GO TO BED, AND LET THEM STEAL IT IN PEACE.

ELECTION STEALING METHOD IN PENNSYLVANIA REVEALED. SEE THIS (http://investmentwatchblog.com/i-think-we-caught-election-fraud-in-pennsylvania/). Now we know how Hillary started smashing Trump at the end!

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[ThePythonicCow]

Currently, Republican Donald Trump leads in the Electoral College by 306 electoral votes, to 232 for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

If Jill Stein's three recounts succeed in delaying when the election commissioners in the states of Pennsylvania (20 votes), Wisconsin(10 votes), and Michigan (16 votes) can certify the results past the date of December 13, 2016, so that the results are not available for the Electoral College vote on December 19, then this would make the Electoral College vote 306-20-10-16 == 260 for Trump, versus 232 for Clinton, which still gives Trump the majority.

But if in addition to this, Clinton can persuade 15 of the remaining Trump electors to become "faithless", and change their vote to Clinton, then Clinton wins the Electoral College by 247 to 245.

[bennycog]

Trump is already making radical changes. imagine how the companies will feel and what they would do after talking to Donald and then getting the news of a globalist takeover. Jill must be be pretty deep in bed with the, Paul's quote, "bastards in power".

I hope Donald has his back covered or somebody is helping him in counteracting this farce and deliberate division to the American people.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

There has to be 270 electoral votes to win the electoral college. It has to be a majority of all electors, not just counted ones. That means 270.

If neither candidate reaches an absolute majority (which has happened before, in 1824), then the vote goes to the House of Representatives and each state gets 1 vote. Trump won the majority of states by far so he should win in that case too.

Even if all three states are flipped and Hillary miraculously gets the 270 she needs all of a sudden, aside from stinking to high heaven and probably causing a civil war very quickly, the electoral college results are presented to Congress in January and Congress has the right to investigate them and even overturn them.

[ThePythonicCow]

There has to be 270 electoral votes to win the electoral college. It has to be a majority of all electors, not just counted ones. That means 270.
I've seen both views presented - that the winner needs the 270 majority of all 538 potential electors, and that the winner needs a majority of just the electors actually voting.

I don't know how to determine which is the case, or even if this is a case of undisputed law (that I just don't happen to know for certain.)

Of course, in times like this, there is little that would be allowed to go undisputed, if it served some major player's interests :).

[turiya]

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CNN Caught in Locker Room Talk;
Crew Jokes About Trump's Plane Crashing
by The_Real_Fly
Dec 2, 2016 9:05 PM
Nothing to see here. The girls at CNN were merely fraternizing, joking it up about the President elect's airplane crashing. If you listen closely, one of the catamites caught giggling said he'd only be injured, not killed, so there's that.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZNRQGA01XA
Hot mics are a bitch and so is the person who made these comments.

Content originally generated at iBankCoin.com (https://ibankcoin.com/) The_Real_Fly's blog (http://www.zerohedge.com/blog/234204)

[turiya]

More Recent Trump Tweets....







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The U.S. is going to substantialy reduce taxes and regulations on businesses, but any business that leaves our country for another country,

3:41 AM - 4 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805376548882776064)


Twitter Statement in Full:

The U.S. is going to substantialy reduce taxes and regulations on businesses, but any business that leaves our country for another country,.... fires its employees, builds a new factory or plant in the other country, and then thinks it will sell its product back into the U.S. ...... without retribution or consequence, is WRONG! There will be a tax on our soon to be strong border of 35% for these companies ...... wanting to sell their product, cars, A.C. units etc., back across the border. This tax will make leaving financially difficult, but..... these companies are able to move between all 50 states, with no tax or tariff being charged. Please be forewarned prior to making a very ... expensive mistake! THE UNITED STATES IS OPEN FOR BUSINESS.

SOURCE (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5E serp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)

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Guests are Judge Napolitano... Travis Irvine... Robert Martin... Steve Moore... Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis... topics cover:

- Trumps statement on flag-burning...
- Prosecution of Clintons / Clinton Foundation...
- Liberals Post-2016-Election...
- Gen. 'Mad Dog' Mattis, Jeff Sessions, Elaine Chao, Betsy DeVos...
- The problems w/ lower-level bureaucrats of the DC 'Swamp'
- Jill Stein, David Brock, Steve Mnuchin


Roger Stone - Stone Cold Truth Radio
(Dec. 3rd, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsO1uKN9Ofg

[TargeT]

Currently, Republican Donald Trump leads in the Electoral College by 306 electoral votes, to 232 for Democrat Hillary Clinton.

If Jill Stein's three recounts succeed in delaying when the election commissioners in the states of Pennsylvania (20 votes), Wisconsin(10 votes), and Michigan (16 votes) can certify the results past the date of December 13, 2016, so that the results are not available for the Electoral College vote on December 19, then this would make the Electoral College vote 306-20-10-16 == 260 for Trump, versus 232 for Clinton, which still gives Trump the majority.

But if in addition to this, Clinton can persuade 15 of the remaining Trump electors to become "faithless", and change their vote to Clinton, then Clinton wins the Electoral College by 247 to 245.


Jill missed Pennsylvania's recount deadline (NOV21) (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305), 20 votes......

So IMO, this is all just a distraction now, with out Pen. why do a recount?

Why continue talking about this when it's meaningless... Well it makes sense to keep up the drama if that's all it was ever meant to do.


I feel like we are in a movie, and I don't want to cheer for the hero I'm being told to cheer for.

[ThePythonicCow]

Jill missed Pennsylvania's recount deadline (NOV21) (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305), 20 votes......
See my Post #1345 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1118020&viewfull=1#post1118020), above, of Jim Stone material, that figures that Jill Stein isn't quitting her efforts in Pennsylvania. She's just shifting gears, from the state level, to the individual precint level.

[Octavusprime]

Is the Donald Trumped? Clinton scheming to seize White House through backdoor. RT News: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/369019-donald-trumped-hillary-clinton-us-presidency/


Next month, Donald J. Trump, with hand on Bible, will be sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. Or will he? The recent talk about recounting votes and 'faithless electors' suggests this highly contentious power struggle is far from over.
In fact, it may be just beginning.

Anybody who believes Hillary Rodham Clinton has been sent to the political graveyard by a Manhattan real estate developer has forgotten the cruel surprises of recent history (Remember the Greek referendum? Brexit anyone?). Democratic due process has devolved into something like ‘The Hunger Games’ for the rich - a sensational televised spectacle to entertain the elite every four years, while keeping the people believing they can effect real change.

Although it may seem implausible to some, Donald J. Trump may be denied the presidency due to a democratic system that has been corrupted to the bone by excessive wealth, power and collusion at the highest levels.


The first step in the process was to perpetuate the news that although Donald Trump won the Electoral College (306-232), he failed to win the popular vote - reportedly by 2.5 million votes, at last count.

Clinton’s alleged victory in the popular vote count, which continued for three weeks after Nov. 9 (keep in mind that most of the vote monitors had already gone home as these votes were being quietly tallied), could present serious complications for Trump and his chances of entering the White House, as will become clear a bit later.

Meanwhile, the blatantly anti-Trump media is conducting “thought experiments” to show how Clinton would have, could have, should have won the Electoral College if only the Electoral map had been spliced and diced here and there across the nation. The implicit media message behind all of this tomfoolery, of course, is that Wall Street-approved Clinton deserves her coronation, because, well, that is what the elite want, democratic procedure be damned.

This ongoing campaign on behalf of Clinton is much more than just sour grapes; in fact, it is a war of attrition designed to exert undue pressure on the Electoral College, the rickety institution that got Trump elected in the first place. And although it has never robbed an election from a candidate who has gained the majority of Electoral College votes, there is a possibility – and a very high one in this particular battle - of so-called “faithless electors” tipping this contest in Clinton’s favor.

This represents the second stage of Clinton’s attempt at reversing the results of the presidential election in her favor.

Will the Electoral College go rogue?
The Electoral College is scheduled to meet on December 19 to perform what, under normal circumstances, would be a mere formality of voting for either Clinton or Trump, according to the will of their constituents.

Needless to say, however, we are not dealing with “normal circumstances.” This is a battle the Democrats have no intention of losing, no matter what the Electoral College results tell us.

The 2016 presidential campaign represents an epic power struggle that will determine the trajectory of US domestic and foreign policy like no other contest in recent history. No surprise, then, that neo-liberal lobbying groups have been exerting immense pressure on these electors to ignore the will of the people and “vote their conscience.”

You’d be very wrong to think this couldn’t work. If 37 Republican electors essentially break the law and vote against Trump, it will block him from winning the presidency. The Democrat's team of lawyers and political consultants are now working around the clock to make this happen.

Micheal Baca, a Denver Democrat and a member of the state’s Electoral College delegation, is one of the individuals attempting to persuade Republican electors to discard the will of the people and vote for anybody but Trump.

Baca makes no secret about his intentions to override the Constitution and go rogue.

“This is not about Hillary,” he said. “This is about trying to stop Donald Trump.”

The Democrat full-court press is getting results. Art Sisneros, a Texas Republican elector, confirmed this week that he would resign his position rather than perform his Constitutionally mandated task.

Before continuing, let's take a moment and perform our own "thought experiment" and consider would would happen if Hillary Clinton somehow gets the nod for the presidency instead of Trump. If the country is not completely overwhelmed by coast-to-coast riots and protests, and there is somehow a peaceful transition of power, then Clinton can expect to face four years of the most hostile, uncooperative (Republican) Congress in American history. Although given the number of neocons who openly support Clinton and her hawkish tendencies, there could be points of agreement.

In a best-case scenario, there would be - aside from carrying out the necessary task of maintaining ‘law and order’ at home, while continuing on a war footing abroad - a four-year-long government shutdown. America would get its first real taste of what martial law feels like.

The American Conservative painted the following picture as to what would happen if Trump’s Electoral College victory were rescinded: “Constitutional government would have broken down, and we would be facing something like a Latin American presidential dictatorship. For several years, Washington’s political debate would be reduced to something like a Hobbesian war of all against all.”

Is that something we really need? Apparently it is for some folks, and not least of all Green Party presidential candidate, Jill Stein.

And this brings us to the final stage of a possible Clinton coup.

Civil War, anyone?
It is generally assumed that it was Jill Stein, the Green Party presidential candidate who masterminded the call for a recount of votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. That’s not quite right.

Just one day after the above article appeared (Nov. 22), Jill Stein, who came in dead last with about 3 million votes less than Gary ‘What is Aleppo?’ Johnson, announced she would be collecting money to recount votes in the swing states. One of the interesting things about Stein's choice of swing states to hold recounts is that these are the very same places where Trump emerged victorious. Coincidence or not, that alone should have set off some alarms.

In any case, the reason Jill Stein and not Hillary Clinton is calling for the recount is evident: Throughout the campaign, the media hounded Trump with a single annoying question never asked of the future loser: Would he accept the results of the election in the event he lost? When Trump said he would take a “wait and see” approach, Clinton assumed a holier than thou position.

“Now make no mistake,” Clinton solemnly told supporters, “by doing that, he is threatening our democracy. The peaceful transition of power is one of the things that sets us apart. It’s how we hold our country together no matter who’s in charge.”

So now that the tables are turned, Stein is in the kitchen doing the dirty work. And the media suddenly can’t get enough of this woman who haunted the 2016 election campaign like a rare phantom sighting.

Here’s how News Busters tallied her sudden stardom: “When Jill Stein was the Green Party’s candidate for US president, the networks only gave her 36 seconds of coverage. However, as soon as she launched a campaign to contest the presidential election and demand a recount of ballots in several key states, the evening news shows on ABC, CBS and NBC managed to find 7 minutes and 26 seconds of coverage for her in just four days. That's more than 12 times as much coverage as in the entire campaign.”

But it gets better. Stein has managed to accumulate a massive war chest to carry out the recount - $7 million at last count (or about seven times what she received during her entire presidential campaign). At one point, her recount drive was pulling in almost $5,000 every minute. Somehow that doesn’t sound like Joe Voter digging deep in his Levi's; that sounds more like big league spenders stepping up to the plate. Incidentally, when Stein first started passing the hat around, she said $2.5 million would be plenty, thank you very much. Yet every time she hit the target, a higher threshold was introduced.

Is Stein’s recount campaign really about collecting some easy money while giving the Green Party some much-needed attention? Or is Stein just trying to shed some light on the dry rot gnawing away at the foundation of US democracy? All that, however necessary, seems very unlikely. After all, the recount plan was initially floated to Hillary Clinton, not Jill Stein. Thus, we must assume this is all part of a major power push for the Democrats to steal the White House from Donald Trump.

As Paul Joseph Watson summed up the situation: “Her entire campaign was backed by an establishment that wouldn’t hesitate to exploit a recount to carry out the vote fraud they thought they didn’t need on Election Day.”

Exactly.

And here is where we can fit the last piece into the puzzle to understand what is really going on here. If the recount effort alone won’t make much of a difference to either Clinton or Stein’s chances of overturning the massive edge that Trump now enjoys, then why are they bothering themselves? Hold onto your seats, folks, this gets interesting.

The answer boils down to simple arithmetic, as well as some monkey play in the system.

Presently, Michigan has already agreed to a recount, which will be carried out this weekend and require hand-counting of ballots in the regions. This process will take many days. Federal law requires the recount to be finished by Dec. 13 – just six days before the Electoral College is expected to cast its votes.

Wisconsin has already agreed to a recount, while Pennsylvania is dragging its feet. In other words, this process will probably take us right up to Dec. 19 – the date the Electoral College is supposed to cast their votes (Why the Electoral College vote isn’t valid without these voters, who could go rogue, is a question for another day).

Keep in mind that the total number of Electoral College Votes in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania equals 46. Now take Trump’s 306 Electoral votes and subtract that amount. This leaves you with 260, which is below the 270 required for a candidate to be automatically considered the winner of a presidential election. Do you see where this is going?

Now if this recount should start to point toward a Clinton victory in these three swing states, this will present Trump with a very serious quandary. Should he kick up a fuss and protest the recount on the grounds that he won the Electoral College, this could provoke some sort of “constitutional crisis” that prevents the recount from being completed by the Dec. 13 deadline.

Now, if the matter remains unsettled by Dec. 19 this could - technically speaking - give the Electoral College’s “faithless electors” yet more reason for not aligning themselves with their constituents. Or, on the other hand, the Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania votes could be considered forfeited because they failed to resolve the issue by the Dec. 19 deadline.

So if it did come down to this, who do you think will be selected – possibly by the very Supreme Court that Trump hopes to disband once in office – to be the 45th president of the United States?

Yes, Hillary Rodham Clinton, the candidate we have been told got 2.5 million more popular votes than Donald Trump (I would suggest Trump start a serious process to challenge those votes right now).

For those who still doubt this possibility, please consider the two latest failed grassroots movements of our times – Brexit and the Greek referendum - two examples of ‘democracy in action’ that the political elite has de facto canceled or put on hold indefinitely.

Such dramatic setbacks, which are becoming the rule rather than the exception, lend credence to Mark Twain’s famous observation that “If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”

In other words, the elite will always get what they want, regardless how the votes goes.

Clinton seizing the White House through the backdoor would not be the strangest thing to happen in old Washington. Just ask George W. Bush how he got elected president in 2000 by the Supreme Court, not We the People.

@Robert_Bridge


Now I'm not a Trump supporter but this is disturbing. If Trump ends up not getting the presidency, America is going to erupt into a ****tstorm....

[norman]

Even if Hillary doesn't squeeze into the Whitehouse, The Green leader is very high profile right now and getting billions worth of publicity ( for free ) for her reach for the Presidency in 2020. her willingness to do this is proof enough that she'll make a great NWO puppet President. Also, she's a woman.

[ThePythonicCow]

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This article on Yahoo (https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-green-party-drops-election-recount-bid-pennsylvania-020036851.html), claiming to be from AFP (though I couldn't find that article on https://www.afp.com/en) provides more details on Jill Stein's next tactic in Pennsylvania. The only way to directly challenge the results in individual precints is for ordinary citizens in each precint to file petitions. Each such filing requires posting a $1,000,000 bond, which is out of the reach of ordinary citizens. So Jill Stein's lawyers intend to file in US Federal Court, on tomorrow, Monday, 5 Dec 2016, complaining that this isn't fair.

P.S. -- Here's that AP article, on apnews.com: Green Party taking bid for election recount to federal court (https://apnews.com/949e256818f44cc2bc5b8b2800b5b70e/Green-Party-taking-bid-for-election-recount-to-federal-court)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

There has to be 270 electoral votes to win the electoral college. It has to be a majority of all electors, not just counted ones. That means 270.
I've seen both views presented - that the winner needs the 270 majority of all 538 potential electors, and that the winner needs a majority of just the electors actually voting.

For what it's worth, this is the language of the Constitution itself, in the 12th Amendment:


Twelfth Amendment

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.... The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President to the United States.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html


We have a precedent in this happening before, in 1824. The electoral votes were split 4 ways and the guy with the most votes (Andrew Jackson) didn't win just because he had the most. The vote went to the House of Representatives, which then appointed John Quincy Adams to the presidency.

If Congress wants to suddenly divert from this precedent now they would have to make a very compelling argument to the American people as to why they believe they should do so. Electors were appointed in all three of the states which are trying to be stolen from Trump, and just because they may not be able to submit their results by the deadline now doesn't mean they didn't have electors appointed or that the votes of their citizens no longer count in any way. The electors in those states were already picked and have even been in the news for receiving a bunch of death threats from the liberals.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Even if Hillary doesn't squeeze into the Whitehouse, The Green leader is very high profile right now and getting billions worth of publicity ( for free ) for her reach for the Presidency in 2020. her willingness to do this is proof enough that she'll make a great NWO puppet President. Also, she's a woman.

I would say the opposite, that she is destroying her chances to become president by selling out in this way. Many Democrats and even her own Green Party have turned their backs on her already and are saying that she's just grandstanding and scamming people out of millions of dollars that will go nowhere. The kind of press she's been getting out of this isn't particularly good press even from the MSM who should be happy about what she's doing. And don't think there isn't dirt on this woman too if anyone cared to dig it up.

[ThePythonicCow]

For what it's worth, this is the language of the Constitution itself, in the 12th Amendment:


Twelfth Amendment

... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed ...

Aha - that's pretty clear - thanks.

My calculations in Post #1346 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1118023&viewfull=1#post1118023), above, are wrong, and Hillary Clinton needs to get from 232 Electoral College votes to 270 votes (another 38 votes needed), if she is to win outright in the Electoral College.

Failing that, she at least needs to remove 37 of Donald Trump's Electoral College, to reduce his vote count from 306 to 269 or less, in order to throw the election into the House of Representatives.

I can't see how (though I trust that Hillary's lawyers would propose some scheme in such a case) that Hillary Clinton could win in the House of Representatives however. When they vote for President in such cases, as described in the 12th Amendment you quoted, they vote state-by-state, with each state getting the same one vote. Republicans hold the substantial majority of states, including most of the smaller states, while Democrats hold more of the few, larger, states such as California.

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P.S. -- Maybe not ! :). What does the phrase "the whole number of Electors appointed" mean? If Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania are still in the throws of recounts at the appointed time in December, do their electors count as "appointed", if those states were unable to decide, on time, which electors to appoint?

I think not. Now I am reverting to thinking my calculations in Post #1346 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1118023&viewfull=1#post1118023), above, are correct.

[turiya]

Moving on... cuz in my opinion, and as Target has said, this is just added drama... so, I've been taking some time to look at Trump's recent pick of Wilbur Ross as head of the Department of Commerce... I must say, he appears to be fully on the page with Trump foreseeable economic policy... will also focus on Steve Mnuchin when able...


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Before appointment...


Malzberg | Wilbur Ross discusses
economic impact of a Trump presidency
(Published on Nov 17, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSKnpSjJ3_g___________________________

Wilbur Ross: Free trade is a slogan,
not a reality
(Published on Sep 16, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKoLTNFJzZ8___________________________

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Donald Trump's pick for Commerce secretary is billionaire businessman Wilbur Ross.
Here is what we know about the 'King of Bankruptcy.' USA TODAY NETWORK

By Paul Davidson , USA TODAY 1:26 p.m. EST
December 1, 2016
Wilbur Ross, tapped as the next Commerce secretary by President-elect Donald Trump, has been hailed as “the king of bankruptcy,” a nod to his legendary knack for buying troubled companies on the cheap and selling them for billions of dollars in profit.

The question is whether that enviable skill will transfer easily to his new more nuanced and diplomatic role as the face of American business to the world. Some are optimistic.

“He has an exquisite sense of timing to buy low and sell high – that’s not easy,” says Gary Hufbauer, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International economics. “He may be able to carry that over in diplomatic dealings.”

Ross 79, a veteran private-equity investor whose wealth is estimated at $2.9 billion, is expected to lead the charge for Trump’s get-tough trade policy aimed at discouraging U.S. factories from moving abroad, luring some back and narrowing the nation $500 billion annual trade gap. On the campaign trail, Trump threatened to label China a currency manipulator and slap tariffs of 45% on that country and 35% on Mexico.

Hufbauer, however, said tried-and-true business strategies are unlikely to hold sway with prickly foreign leaders. “You can’t think of China and Mexico as bankrupt companies,” he says. “Threats get China’s hackles up.” He adds that China has “liberalized (its policy on imports) but they take their own sweet time about it.”

In a CNBC interview Wednesday, the soft-spoken Ross downplayed the much-feared prospect of hefty import duties and trade wars. “Everybody talks about tariffs as the first thing. Tariffs are the last thing. Tariffs are part of the negotiation. The real trick is going to be increase American exports. Get rid of some of the tariff and nontariff barriers to American exports.”

At the same time, Ross displayed a confident, no-nonsense approach that recognizes U.S. economic strength and leverage. He called the Trans-Pacific Partnership pact with Pacific Rim countries, which has not been ratified and Trump has vowed to kill, a “horrible deal.”

“We’ve been doing a lot of dumb trade, and that’s the part that’s going to get fixed,” he said.

“The problem with regional trade agreements is you get picked apart by the first country, then you negotiate with the second, you get picked apart, and you go with the third one, you get picked apart again,” Ross added. “What has to be put into perspective -- we are the big market, we are the world’s biggest importer, we need to treat the other countries as good suppliers, not as determining the whole show.”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBDaGPPMztY

As head of Commerce, Ross will oversee certain trade negotiations and disputes. Hufbauer says he could bring more trade cases against China and seek stiffer penalties for that country’s dumping of products at cut-rate prices in the U.S. While overseeing 47,000 employees and an $8 billion budget, Ross also will work with businesses, colleges and city governments to promote economic growth, create jobs and improve workers’ skills. And Commerce compiles troves of data on the U.S. economy, such as estimates of the gross domestic product, or economic growth.

Ross’ bloodless and practical negotiating style was honed over decades. He was raised in an affluent household in suburban New Jersey. At the elite Xavier High School in Manhattan, he ran track and was captain of the rifle team, later earning a Bachelor’s degree from Yale College and a Masters of Business Administration from Harvard Business School.

Ross came to deal with Trump as head of Rothschild’s bankruptcy advisory practice. He and billionaire investor Carl Icahn helped Trump save his Trump Taj Mahal casino hotel from collapse in the early 1990s.

After forming his own private equity firm in 2000 with $440 million in investor money, Ross commenced a series of canny buyouts. In the early 2000s, he purchased the beleaguered factories of Pennsylvania’s Bethlehem Steel, Cleveland-based LTV and other manufacturers, rolling them into a new company, International Steel Group, that was sold to Mittal Steel for $4.5 billion in 2004. He was credited with saving factory jobs at a time when other players steered clear of the struggling industry.

“Those companies were failing,” Ross said in a 2005 interview with the Philadelphia Inquirer. “They would’ve been shut down. Bethlehem was days away from shutting down.”

SOURCE (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/11/30/wilbur-ross-king-bankruptcy-face-american-business/94674990/)


___________________________

After Appointment...


Wilbur Ross: Trump is not a bluffer
(Published on Nov 30, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKQrZhFWuY4___________________________

Steve Mnuchin and Wilbur Ross
talk top priorities
(Published on Dec 1, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7yHhsoj1_Y_____________LATE ADD_____________

P.S.






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The Green Party just dropped its recount suit in Pennsylvania and is losing votes in Wisconsin recount. Just a Stein scam to raise money!

10:58 AM - 4 Dec 2016

Titter Link: ( https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805486509914779649)

[turiya]

Illegal Immigrants... brought into Europe by NGOs...


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Something Strange Is Taking Place
In The Mediterranean (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-mediterranean)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 4, 2016 11:06 AM
NGOs are smuggling immigrants into Europe on an industrial scale

http://studies.aljazeera.net/ResourceGallery/media/Images/2015/8/19//2015819121354834734_19.jpg


For two months, using marinetraffic.com, we have been monitoring the movements of ships owned by a couple of NGOs, and, using data from data.unhcr.org. We have kept track of the daily arrivals of African immigrants in Italy. It turned out we were witness of a big scam and an illegal human traffic operation.

NGOs, smugglers, the mafia in cahoots with the European Union have shipped thousands of illegals into Europe under the pretext of rescuing people, assisted by the Italian coast guard which coordinated their activities.


people trafficking
(Published on Dec 3, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw

Human traffickers contact the Italian coast guard in advance to receive support and to pick up their dubious cargo. NGO ships are directed to the “rescue spot” even as those to be rescued are still in Libya. The 15 ships that we observed are owned or leased by NGOs have regularly been seen to leave their Italian ports, head south, stop short of reaching the Libyan coast, pick up their human cargo, and take course back 260 miles to Italy even though the port of Zarzis in Tunis is just 60 mile away from the rescue spot.

The organizations in question are: MOAS, Jugend Rettet, Stichting Bootvluchting, Médecins Sans Frontières, Save the Children, Proactiva Open Arms, Sea-Watch.org, Sea-Eye and Life Boat.

The real intention of the people behind the NGOs is not clear. Their motive can be money, we would not be surprised if it turned out to be so. They may also be politically driven; the activities of the Malta-based organisation, MOAS, by trafficking people to Italy is the best guarantee that migrants will not show up on the Maltese shore. MOAS is managed by an Maltese Marine officer well known in Malta for his maltreatment of refugees 1). It is also possible that these organisations are managed by naive “do-gooders” who do not understand that offering their services they are acting like a magnet to the people from Africa and thus they are willy-nilly causing more fatalities, not to mention that their actions are destabilizing Europe.

How high-minded the intentions of these organisations might be, their actions are criminal as most of these migrants are not eligible for being granted asylum and will end up on the streets of Rome or Paris and undermine Europe stability raising racially motivated social tensions.

Brussels has created particular legislature to protect people traffickers against prosecution. In a dedicated section of an EU resolution entitled On Search and Rescue, the text states that “private ship masters and non-governmental organisations who assist in sea rescues in the Mediterranean Sea should not risk punishment for providing such assistance.”2)

During the two months of our observation, we have monitored at least 39,000 Africans illegally smuggled into Italy, which was done with the full consent of the Italian and European authorities.

From the description section of the above video:

For two months, using marinetraffic.com, we have monitored movements of ships owned by NGOs, and we have kept track of the arrivals of African immigrants.
For more information:
- NGOs Armada operating off the coast of Libya (https://gefira.org/en/2016/11/16/ngos-armada-for-the-coast-of-libya/)
- The Americans from MOAS ferry migrants to Europe (https://gefira.org/en/2016/11/16/moas-is-there-to-pick-you-up/)
- Caught in the act: NGOs deal in migrant smuggling (https://gefira.org/en/)
- Death road to Europe promoted on the web (https://gefira.org/en/2016/11/15/death-road-to-europe-promoted-on-the-web/)




SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-04/something-strange-taking-place-mediterranean)

[Ewan]

That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

[Star Tsar]

Post relocated to a more appropriate thread...

[turiya]

That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

Yes - in other words, a virtual army of immigrants.
This is exactly what is going on. Its a different kind of war, but a war just the same... Globalists vs Sovereign nations. The force of millions of illegal, hungry, unskilled immigrants - men of fighting-age - that is being shuffled / transported into Europe via Greece, Italy & France, with the ordering border guard authorities to stand-down by the E.U. globalists. This the reason for the rise of Brexit, Frexit, etc.

But its not only the E.U......


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Source Site Page: African Coalition.org (http://africancoalition.org/2016/09/23/african-and-caribbean-refugee-crisis-at-the-tijuana-border/)

Right Now There Are Over 100 THOUSAND
Muslims And Africans Waiting On The US-Mexico Border
To Invade The United States And Cause Massive Devastation
(http://shoebat.com/2016/12/03/right-now-there-are-over-100-thousand-muslims-and-africans-waiting-on-the-us-mexico-border-to-invade-the-united-states-and-cause-massive-devastation/)
By Andrew Bieszad
on December 3, 2016 in Featured (http://shoebat.com/category/featured-articles/)

Remember what happened to Germany last year when Germany allowed over a million Muslims to pour into her borders? Well the same is about to happen right now, as hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Africans are waiting in Tijuana to cross over the borders into California:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjJY7e9rdK0__________________________

MIGRANT CRISIS IN TIJUANA AS THOUSANDS
OF AFRICANS HEAD FOR THE U.S
(Published on Dec 1, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PFAemnOz9c



“While the exact draw of the round-the-world route isn’t entirely clear, Meyer said an expanding network of human smugglers appear to be taking advantage of the increasingly popular smuggling routes that use Mexico as a transit country.

“There’s a lot of smuggling that goes through Mexico that you don’t see,” Meyer said. She added that rumors of lenient treatment of some immigrants in the United States may also be a factor.

The recent influx of overseas migrants may be a harbinger of things to come.

More than 7,000 people who claimed to be from Africa have been arrested in Mexico between January and August, according to statistics maintained by Mexican federal immigration authorities. The number of such immigrants has been on the rise in recent years.

In 2013 Mexican immigration authorities arrested fewer than 1,000 migrants from Asia and Africa, while the number rose to nearly 11,000 from January through August.” (Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-people-from-far-flung-corners-of-world-sneaking-into-u-s/))


The obvious question you should ask yourself is, how on Earth did hundreds of thousands of Muslims and African people get into Tijuana, Mexico?


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West Africa is a long ways from Mexico

You cannot walk to Tijuana from Africa or the Middle East. You cannot even swim there. It is not a short ride from the coastline of Africa to either North or South America. Even then, the closest distance between Africa and the Americas is from Sierra Leone to the city of Natal in northeastern Brazil, which has a large African population.

Just to get to Mexico from Africa means sailing around the entire southeastern United States, through all of the Caribbean Islands, and then landing somewhere on the Mexican Gulf Coast side of Mexico. Assuming they landed as close as they could to the United States, that would place them in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas next to Brownsville, TX.

Tijuana is another story altogether. That means that hundreds of thousands of people had to take mass ground transportation from one coast of Mexico to the other. The other option is these people had to take a boat through the Panama Canal or sail all around the coast of south America before reaching Tijuana.


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No matter how they got to Tijuana, there is no getting around one major fact- any trip from West Africa to Tijuana is very expensive. To get a perspective for how expensive this is, consider that the closest trip (using Expedia.com) would be departing from Dakar, Senegal. No matter if you book a flight now or in three months from now, Expedia shows that the price from Dakar to Tijuana is between $1300 an $3000. Keep in mind that a direct flight is likely the cheapest route- a months-long sea trip would be much more expnsive.

The highest average personal income and the only one over $20,000 in the entire continent of Africa is approximately $25,000, and this is the island nation of Seychelles. The next six nations- Equitorial Guniea, Gabon, Botswana, South Africa, and Libya- are all over $10,000 per year. All other African nations are under $10,000 a year. The men in the second video, who say they are from Congo, is the lowest of all the African nations, coming in at $422.

For a little perspective, the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.50 per hour. At a standard workweek with 52 weeks a year, this equates to just over $15,000 per year gross income. Botswana shows an average income of $16,500 per year, and South Africa $11,000 per year, meaning that the poorest of full-time American workers makes one of the highest average incomes in all of Africa. Even on this wage, he could live like a king in the poorest nations, especially one such as the Congo.

Even if these men were coming from the “richest” place in Africa- the Seychelles, which they are clearly not- they are still paying on average 5% of their gross income for the cheapest ticket available, and that is just for the ticket and does not include food, room, or anything else. For the average person, 5% of your gross annual income spent on any one purchase is a LOT of money.


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Burger flipping, while one of the lowest paying jobs in America,
makes you at least a respectable income and in most places
an outright rich man for most of Africa.

So let’s put this together. Based just on the previous video, using the Congo as the example since these men say they came from the Congo, had to pay at the very base minimum more than three years worth of gross annual income just to get to Tijuana. This does not include the fact that it does not include taxes or daily living expenses, assumes an average salary (for which more people are below the average than above as averages take into account rich and poor), and we know they all had to pay a lot more because they came by a months long sea route.

It is materially impossible for a such a man to purchase a one way trip to the other side of the world to end up in a “camp” compound. Perhaps there are one or two legitimately insane people who would attempt such a trip, but not hundreds of thousands of people. No way. So how did this happen?

The answer- these people are not paying anything to come, or if they are, it is very little. These people are being brought over, and they are being brought over on you taxpayer dime. If you need direct proof of this- just look at the background in one of the stills and you will see an advertisement for Tijuana Te Quiero (http://www.tijuanatequiero.com/). If you go to their website you see that it is a UN-Backed NGO assisting illegals crossing into the United States and is run by a woman of German extraction named Monica Schroeder who supported Hillary Clinton in the presidential race.


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Monica Schroeder, illegal immigrant, co-conspiratrix
and Hillary Clinton supporter (https://www.globalshapers.org/shapers/monica-schroeder)

There is not a lot of information available online about Monica’s biography, but an interview (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/lifestyle/people/sdut-tijuana-te-quiero-monica-schroeder-2015jan27-htmlstory.html) with her reveals an interesting fact:

Q: What is one thing people would surprised to find out about you?

A: My favorite city is Istanbul.

How interesting.

So here we have hundreds of thousands of illegals from the Middle East and Africa that have been transported halfway across the world clearly on taxpayer dollars to the US border where they are being assisted by a “Non-Governmental Organization” administered by a woman of German extraction who loves Turkey to help them cross illegally into the USA where these same people will just sit to collect welfare checks at the American taxpayer’s expense.

What you are witnessing is an invasion set up by political elites to consolidate power. They do not care at all about you or these people- they just see them as political tools, for as we have seen in Europe, such people will create social instability and the refusal of the government to prosecute them will cause two things. First, it will make the common man very angry and cause him to lash out with tremendous violence (understandably so), and second, it will cause him to ask for a solution, at which time the government will “present” the solution to the very problem it created. It is the Hegelian Dialectic all over again.


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Article by By Andrew Bieszad
Posted by Walid Shoebat (http://shoebat.com/2016/12/03/right-now-there-are-over-100-thousand-muslims-and-africans-waiting-on-the-us-mexico-border-to-invade-the-united-states-and-cause-massive-devastation/)

[turiya]

Seems Bill Still is also just now reporting on the wave of immigrants flooding into Italy...


SR #1380 – NGOs Smuggling Migrants
Into Italy on an Industrial Scale
(Published on Dec 5, 2016))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJIoYNUFtS0

[turiya]

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Donald Trump Explains Why
He Tweets So Much ( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-05/donald-trump-explains-why-he-tweets-so-much)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 4, 2016 11:06 AM

Its really quite simple...






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If the press would cover me accurately & honorably, I would have far less reason to "tweet." Sadly, I don't know if that will ever happen!

8:00 AM - 5 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805804034309427200)



But isn't 'the Press' the "real" news?

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-05/donald-trump-explains-why-he-tweets-so-much)


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I am thrilled to nominate Dr. @RealBenCarson (https://twitter.com/RealBenCarson) as our next Secretary of the US Dept. of Housing and Urban Development: https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10158231301535725:0 …

5:53 AM - 5 Dec 2016

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

I'm glad people are noticing this. These men will make up the insurgent Islamic army which will help the "welcome culture" replace European secular democracy with an Islamic caliphate.

All those hundreds of years of violent wars to keep Muslims out of Europe and now Europeans are just rolling over and playing dead while the waves of soldiers are being put in place.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/european-europen-men-then-men-now-refugees-welcom-here-6748153.png

http://img11.deviantart.net/b5a7/i/2014/168/e/2/caliphate__islamic_victory__by_daneofscandinavy-d6j41cl.png


Soros-funded social engineering at its finest.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

When I heard that Republicans had taken a large number of state legislatures during the election cycle, I didn't think too much more about it at the time, other than it was a reaction to 8 years of Obama and the prospect of even worse under another Clinton administration.

But then I read this:


Republican success opens door to amending US Constitution

By DAVID A. LIEB
Associated Press

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- The November election put Republicans in full control of a record number of state legislatures around the country, a level of power that gives the party an unprecedented opportunity: change the U.S. Constitution.

Republicans already control Congress, the White House and more governors' offices than they have in nearly a century. But it's the state legislatures that hold perhaps the greatest promise for lasting change.

The GOP now holds numerical majorities in 33 legislatures, one shy of the two-thirds required to initiate a convention on constitutional amendments. There is no credible talk of using that power for amendments on hot-button social issues, such as banning abortion or gay marriage. But conservatives have a list of bread-and-butter governing issues they would like to see enshrined in the Constitution.

One, to require a balanced federal budget, is already approaching the level of support that would trigger a convention. Beyond that, a major state-level push is planned during 2017 for a constitutional convention that could also consider amendments to impose term limits on members of Congress and rein in various federal powers.

President-elect Donald Trump has pledged support for an amendment on congressional term limits.

"The possibility of constitutional change is in the air," said law professor Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, a nonprofit museum that is hosting academic debates and symposiums about the efforts to amend the Constitution.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_CONTROL_AMENDING_THE_CONSTITUTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-12-05-12-00-41


I've always believed that Trump will follow through on his promise to build a wall on the Mexican border, even if it doesn't cover every inch of the border. But I didn't seriously believe that congressmen would vote to set terms limits on themselves. Now, however, I can see where this might not be necessary. If we can get 2/3rds of states to initiate a constitutional convention, we could actually see a state-initiated amendment passed to place term limits on federal congressmen. Now that would be interesting. Apparently they're also talking about a balanced budget amendment that would forbid the government from spending more than it makes, which sounds nice but might realistically cause problems in emergency situations where financial trickery is dictated by real-world pragmatism.

[Baby Steps]

[QUOTE=Ewan;1118222]That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

I'm glad people are noticing this. These men will make up the insurgent Islamic army which will help the "welcome culture" replace European secular democracy with an Islamic caliphate.

All those hundreds of years of violent wars to keep Muslims out of Europe and now Europeans are just rolling over and playing dead while the waves of soldiers are being put in place.


Far-be-it for me to add to the paranoia, but I have been finding the same bits of paper lying about on the London Tube, 3 separate occasions, two of them folded into old newspapers. I kid you not.

The pact of Umar is a guideline written to assist the Muslim authorities in a newly conquered country- how to treat their Christian Subjects, and how to reassure them that they will not be killed.

I am wondering if SOMEONE wants us to read this and feel less fearful. Well, I am not sure it worked!


Medieval Sourcebook:
Pact of Umar, 7th Century
________________________________________
The Status of Non-Muslims Under Muslim Rule

After the rapid expansion of the Muslim dominion in the 7th century, Muslims leaders were required to work out a way of dealing with Non-Muslims, who remained in the majority in many areas for centuries. The solution was to develop the notion of the "dhimma", or "protected person". The Dhimmi were required to pay an extra tax, but usually they were unmolested. This compares well with the treatment meted out to non-Christians in Christian Europe. The Pact of Umar is supposed to have been the peace accord offered by the Caliph Umar to the Christians of Syria, a "pact" which formed the patter of later interaction.

We heard from 'Abd al-Rahman ibn Ghanam [died 78/697] as follows: When Umar ibn al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, accorded a peace to the Christians of Syria, we wrote to him as follows:
In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant of God Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct (aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:
We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.
We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide him from the Muslims.
We shall not teach the Qur'an to our children.
We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.
We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.
We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.
We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our- persons.
We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
We shall not sell fermented drinks.
We shall clip the fronts of our heads.
We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists
We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.
We shall not take slaves who have beenallotted to Muslims.
We shall not build houses overtopping the houses of the Muslims.

(When I brought the letter to Umar, may God be pleased with him, he added, "We shall not strike a Muslim.")
We accept these conditions for ourselves and for the people of our community, and in return we receive safe-conduct.
If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety, we forfeit our covenant [dhimma], and we become liable to the penalties for contumacy and sedition.
Umar ibn al-Khittab replied: Sign what they ask, but add two clauses and impose them in addition to those which they have undertaken. They are: "They shall not buy anyone made prisoner by the Muslims," and "Whoever strikes a Muslim with deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact."


from Al-Turtushi, Siraj al-Muluk, pp. 229-230.
[This was a from hand out at an Islamic History Class at the University of Edinburgh in 1979. Source of translation not given.]
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[Helene West]

[QUOTE=Ewan;1118222]That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

I'm glad people are noticing this. These men will make up the insurgent Islamic army which will help the "welcome culture" replace European secular democracy with an Islamic caliphate.

All those hundreds of years of violent wars to keep Muslims out of Europe and now Europeans are just rolling over and playing dead while the waves of soldiers are being put in place.


Far-be-it for me to add to the paranoia, but I have been finding the same bits of paper lying about on the London Tube, 3 separate occasions, two of them folded into old newspapers. I kid you not.

The pact of Umar is a guideline written to assist the Muslim authorities in a newly conquered country- how to treat their Christian Subjects, and how to reassure them that they will not be killed.

I am wondering if SOMEONE wants us to read this and feel less fearful. Well, I am not sure it worked!


Medieval Sourcebook:
Pact of Umar, 7th Century
________________________________________
The Status of Non-Muslims Under Muslim Rule

After the rapid expansion of the Muslim dominion in the 7th century, Muslims leaders were required to work out a way of dealing with Non-Muslims, who remained in the majority in many areas for centuries. The solution was to develop the notion of the "dhimma", or "protected person". The Dhimmi were required to pay an extra tax, but usually they were unmolested. This compares well with the treatment meted out to non-Christians in Christian Europe. The Pact of Umar is supposed to have been the peace accord offered by the Caliph Umar to the Christians of Syria, a "pact" which formed the patter of later interaction.

We heard from 'Abd al-Rahman ibn Ghanam [died 78/697] as follows: When Umar ibn al-Khattab, may God be pleased with him, accorded a peace to the Christians of Syria, we wrote to him as follows:
In the name of God, the Merciful and Compassionate. This is a letter to the servant of God Umar [ibn al-Khattab], Commander of the Faithful, from the Christians of such-and-such a city. When you came against us, we asked you for safe-conduct (aman) for ourselves, our descendants, our property, and the people of our community, and we undertook the following obligations toward you:
We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, Churches, convents, or monks' cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.
We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor bide him from the Muslims.
We shall not teach the Qur'an to our children.
We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.
We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.
We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments, the qalansuwa, the turban, footwear, or the parting of the hair. We shall not speak as they do, nor shall we adopt their kunyas.
We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our- persons.
We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
We shall not sell fermented drinks.
We shall clip the fronts of our heads.
We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists
We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not show lights on any of the roads of the Muslims or in their markets. We shall not bury our dead near the Muslims.
We shall not take slaves who have beenallotted to Muslims.
We shall not build houses overtopping the houses of the Muslims.

(When I brought the letter to Umar, may God be pleased with him, he added, "We shall not strike a Muslim.")
We accept these conditions for ourselves and for the people of our community, and in return we receive safe-conduct.
If we in any way violate these undertakings for which we ourselves stand surety, we forfeit our covenant [dhimma], and we become liable to the penalties for contumacy and sedition.
Umar ibn al-Khittab replied: Sign what they ask, but add two clauses and impose them in addition to those which they have undertaken. They are: "They shall not buy anyone made prisoner by the Muslims," and "Whoever strikes a Muslim with deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact."


from Al-Turtushi, Siraj al-Muluk, pp. 229-230.
[This was a from hand out at an Islamic History Class at the University of Edinburgh in 1979. Source of translation not given.]
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Can someone please answer me this as it is question I've been asking myself for awhile: Since muslims do not let themselves into Europe, muslims don't make policy, don't make legislation, don't control law enforcement - It is apparent that the (white) ruling class is allowing the islamification of Europe. My question is Why????? I know they want the complete eradication of christianity but they virtually achieved that as Europeans have been largely secular for a few decades. But what will it benefit the ruling class to have a non-white Islamic Europe? the muslims aren't powerful enough to do all this themselves.
I feel the only way to really understand the political arena is to try to understand what the ruling class is doing and why - So please, what benefits do the white ruling class, the international corporate aristocracy if you will, what do they gain by an islamic europe???

[Baby Steps]

At the risk of FURTHER fuelling unnecessary paranoia, I would suggest that if you have a large Muslim community, it is easier to provoke strife. False flags are easier. Getting the 1% nutter contingent to do silly things gets easier. So it's divide & rule, and the march to a police state.

However I remain, as a Londoner, convinced that there is no issue, we all co exist happily, learn, integrate, and over time differences fade. We CAN exist in a harmonious multi cultural pluralistic liberal society.

However, I asked a colleague what would happen if his Imam told him to attack people, because God had given the order. He smiled and did not answer.

This man is very clear about not attacking innocent people, but it's a difficult definition to agree on.

Interesting on the 'Homeland' TV show, there was a depiction of a hard-core, well established anti western Muslim community based in Germany.It seemed far fetched at the time.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

They don't want to just destroy Christianity. They want to destroy every last remnant of a democratic culture that holds its leaders accountable. They want Chinese or Saudi-style authoritarianism everywhere.

[Ewan]

Off the top of my head Helene, really complete guesswork, they don't want an Islamic Europe - they want a broken Europe. A broken Europe cannot resist globalisation policies, policies which will possibly be presented as a solution.

[sunpaw]

That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

This might be due to: its way more dangerous for women to even get as far as on a boat and a pic taken.. (And its a disgrace for humanity people even have to endure such ....)
However, MSF (Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)) Sea rescues 100's every (few) day(s) from boats and dinghies, many women too, children also.
They update on twitter (MSF_sea) and also Facebook.

For such updates its great to have those (as for other groups too. Its not just about nonsense on social media. Just saying....)

Best wishes :sun: sunpaw

[onawah]

Are there any other credible news sources covering this info?
I would certainly network it if so, but when many people see articles from a heavily "Christian" site, I doubt they will pay attention (unfortunately)
.

That first picture seems to be all young males, no elderly, no women, no children.

Yes - in other words, a virtual army of immigrants.
This is exactly what is going on. Its a different kind of war, but a war just the same... Globalists vs Sovereign nations. The force of millions of illegal, hungry, unskilled immigrants - men of fighting-age - that is being shuffled / transported into Europe via Greece, Italy & France, with the ordering border guard authorities to stand-down by the E.U. globalists. This the reason for the rise of Brexit, Frexit, etc.

But its not only the E.U......


http://africancoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Migration-flows-from-subsaharan.jpg
Source Site Page: African Coalition.org (http://africancoalition.org/2016/09/23/african-and-caribbean-refugee-crisis-at-the-tijuana-border/)

Right Now There Are Over 100 THOUSAND
Muslims And Africans Waiting On The US-Mexico Border
To Invade The United States And Cause Massive Devastation
(http://shoebat.com/2016/12/03/right-now-there-are-over-100-thousand-muslims-and-africans-waiting-on-the-us-mexico-border-to-invade-the-united-states-and-cause-massive-devastation/)
By Andrew Bieszad
on December 3, 2016 in Featured (http://shoebat.com/category/featured-articles/)

Remember what happened to Germany last year when Germany allowed over a million Muslims to pour into her borders? Well the same is about to happen right now, as hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Africans are waiting in Tijuana to cross over the borders into California:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjJY7e9rdK0__________________________

MIGRANT CRISIS IN TIJUANA AS THOUSANDS
OF AFRICANS HEAD FOR THE U.S
(Published on Dec 1, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PFAemnOz9c



“While the exact draw of the round-the-world route isn’t entirely clear, Meyer said an expanding network of human smugglers appear to be taking advantage of the increasingly popular smuggling routes that use Mexico as a transit country.

“There’s a lot of smuggling that goes through Mexico that you don’t see,” Meyer said. She added that rumors of lenient treatment of some immigrants in the United States may also be a factor.

The recent influx of overseas migrants may be a harbinger of things to come.

More than 7,000 people who claimed to be from Africa have been arrested in Mexico between January and August, according to statistics maintained by Mexican federal immigration authorities. The number of such immigrants has been on the rise in recent years.

In 2013 Mexican immigration authorities arrested fewer than 1,000 migrants from Asia and Africa, while the number rose to nearly 11,000 from January through August.” (Source (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-people-from-far-flung-corners-of-world-sneaking-into-u-s/))


The obvious question you should ask yourself is, how on Earth did hundreds of thousands of Muslims and African people get into Tijuana, Mexico?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX_IZnMWYAE2rAn.png
West Africa is a long ways from Mexico

You cannot walk to Tijuana from Africa or the Middle East. You cannot even swim there. It is not a short ride from the coastline of Africa to either North or South America. Even then, the closest distance between Africa and the Americas is from Sierra Leone to the city of Natal in northeastern Brazil, which has a large African population.

Just to get to Mexico from Africa means sailing around the entire southeastern United States, through all of the Caribbean Islands, and then landing somewhere on the Mexican Gulf Coast side of Mexico. Assuming they landed as close as they could to the United States, that would place them in the Mexican state of Tamaulipas next to Brownsville, TX.

Tijuana is another story altogether. That means that hundreds of thousands of people had to take mass ground transportation from one coast of Mexico to the other. The other option is these people had to take a boat through the Panama Canal or sail all around the coast of south America before reaching Tijuana.


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Click for Enlarged View (http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/senegalfilghts.jpg)

No matter how they got to Tijuana, there is no getting around one major fact- any trip from West Africa to Tijuana is very expensive. To get a perspective for how expensive this is, consider that the closest trip (using Expedia.com) would be departing from Dakar, Senegal. No matter if you book a flight now or in three months from now, Expedia shows that the price from Dakar to Tijuana is between $1300 an $3000. Keep in mind that a direct flight is likely the cheapest route- a months-long sea trip would be much more expnsive.

The highest average personal income and the only one over $20,000 in the entire continent of Africa is approximately $25,000, and this is the island nation of Seychelles. The next six nations- Equitorial Guniea, Gabon, Botswana, South Africa, and Libya- are all over $10,000 per year. All other African nations are under $10,000 a year. The men in the second video, who say they are from Congo, is the lowest of all the African nations, coming in at $422.

For a little perspective, the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.50 per hour. At a standard workweek with 52 weeks a year, this equates to just over $15,000 per year gross income. Botswana shows an average income of $16,500 per year, and South Africa $11,000 per year, meaning that the poorest of full-time American workers makes one of the highest average incomes in all of Africa. Even on this wage, he could live like a king in the poorest nations, especially one such as the Congo.

Even if these men were coming from the “richest” place in Africa- the Seychelles, which they are clearly not- they are still paying on average 5% of their gross income for the cheapest ticket available, and that is just for the ticket and does not include food, room, or anything else. For the average person, 5% of your gross annual income spent on any one purchase is a LOT of money.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3057561128/7696afffd7ad1108d0b98bb830188845_400x400.jpeg
Burger flipping, while one of the lowest paying jobs in America,
makes you at least a respectable income and in most places
an outright rich man for most of Africa.

So let’s put this together. Based just on the previous video, using the Congo as the example since these men say they came from the Congo, had to pay at the very base minimum more than three years worth of gross annual income just to get to Tijuana. This does not include the fact that it does not include taxes or daily living expenses, assumes an average salary (for which more people are below the average than above as averages take into account rich and poor), and we know they all had to pay a lot more because they came by a months long sea route.

It is materially impossible for a such a man to purchase a one way trip to the other side of the world to end up in a “camp” compound. Perhaps there are one or two legitimately insane people who would attempt such a trip, but not hundreds of thousands of people. No way. So how did this happen?

The answer- these people are not paying anything to come, or if they are, it is very little. These people are being brought over, and they are being brought over on you taxpayer dime. If you need direct proof of this- just look at the background in one of the stills and you will see an advertisement for Tijuana Te Quiero (http://www.tijuanatequiero.com/). If you go to their website you see that it is a UN-Backed NGO assisting illegals crossing into the United States and is run by a woman of German extraction named Monica Schroeder who supported Hillary Clinton in the presidential race.


https://www.globalshapers.org/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail_large/public/a81dd95e3d58fbc8ebd5347ee46bbffb87a1a1c0143e7dfa86 2a99df99023852.png?itok=HqZ72_5G
Monica Schroeder, illegal immigrant, co-conspiratrix
and Hillary Clinton supporter (https://www.globalshapers.org/shapers/monica-schroeder)

There is not a lot of information available online about Monica’s biography, but an interview (http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/lifestyle/people/sdut-tijuana-te-quiero-monica-schroeder-2015jan27-htmlstory.html) with her reveals an interesting fact:

Q: What is one thing people would surprised to find out about you?

A: My favorite city is Istanbul.

How interesting.

So here we have hundreds of thousands of illegals from the Middle East and Africa that have been transported halfway across the world clearly on taxpayer dollars to the US border where they are being assisted by a “Non-Governmental Organization” administered by a woman of German extraction who loves Turkey to help them cross illegally into the USA where these same people will just sit to collect welfare checks at the American taxpayer’s expense.

What you are witnessing is an invasion set up by political elites to consolidate power. They do not care at all about you or these people- they just see them as political tools, for as we have seen in Europe, such people will create social instability and the refusal of the government to prosecute them will cause two things. First, it will make the common man very angry and cause him to lash out with tremendous violence (understandably so), and second, it will cause him to ask for a solution, at which time the government will “present” the solution to the very problem it created. It is the Hegelian Dialectic all over again.

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Article by By Andrew Bieszad
Posted by Walid Shoebat (http://shoebat.com/2016/12/03/right-now-there-are-over-100-thousand-muslims-and-africans-waiting-on-the-us-mexico-border-to-invade-the-united-states-and-cause-massive-devastation/)

[onawah]

More people from far-flung corners of world sneaking into U.S.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-people-from-far-flung-corners-of-world-sneaking-into-u-s/
November 1, 2016


WASHINGTON - An increasing number of people from far-flung corners of the world have tried to sneak into the United States among the hundreds of thousands of other, mostly Latin American migrants caught at the Mexican border in the last year, according to arrest data from the Homeland Security Department.

The arrests of more than 8,000 people from India, China, Romania, Bangladesh and Nepal between October 2015 and the end of August is offering a new challenge to immigration agents tasked with fully identifying would-be immigrants and quickly deporting people caught crossing the border illegally.

The group of overseas migrants represents a tiny fraction of the more than 408,000 people caught crossing the Mexican border illegally in the last year. But the arrests suggest a rising trend in the number of migrants opting for a convoluted trek that sometimes wends across the seas to South America, over land to Central America and then through Mexico before arriving at the U.S. border illegally.

For decades Mexico dominated the discussion on illegal immigration as the country from which most immigrants went to the border illegally. But in recent years the number of Mexican nationals who have been trying to sneak into the United States has dropped.

India and China are now squarely among the top 10 countries of origin for people caught trying to sneak into the United States. Large numbers of immigrants from those two countries have long come to the United States legally and many have overstayed visas to remain here. Now some people are taking a different approach altogether by making their way to Mexico to try to sneak into the United States as visas are harder to come by.

Victor Manjarrez, a former Border Patrol sector chief and director of the Center for Law & Human Behavior at the University of Texas at El Paso, said the rising number of migrants from countries far beyond the Americas should be seen as a growing concern.

“That is very unusual. If I was still sitting as the chief of El Paso or Tucson...I’d be a little concerned,” Manjarrez said. “In the grand scheme, as a percentage, it’s relatively small but the raw numbers are such a big jump historically.”

Last month, a throng of more than 1,000 Haitians shouted and shoved at the door of Mexico’s immigration agency at the U.S. border in Tijuana, Mexico. Several thousand Haitians have traveled to Tijuana in recent months, overflowing migrant shelters and often sleeping outside next to their backpacks on sheets of cardboard, many after traveling 7,000 miles by foot, taxi and bus from Brazil through eight nations to the threshold of the United States
http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/10/07/f5b43399-32b3-4f83-91cf-281afec721b4/resize/620x/d7e363ac38fe1fa138b130f94b671758/ap-16280118242445.jpg
In this Oct. 3, 2016 photo, Haitians line up at an immigration agency in Tijuana, Mexico with the hope of gaining an appointment to cross to the U.S. side of the border. U.S. Customs and Border Protection can only handle up to about 75 people a day at San Ysidro, and Tijuana authorities were unhappy about large crowds assembled on the Mexican side of the border crossing.
The changing face of illegal immigration at the U.S.-Mexico border is a small part of a broader trend of global migration, with millions of people fleeing their home countries. But the arrival of so many people from far beyond U.S. borders brings with it broad implications for U.S. border security and other immigration enforcement efforts.

The Homeland Security Department has made arresting, jailing and deporting recent border crossers a top priority for immigration agents. Most Mexican migrants caught at the border are sent home within just a few days. But for migrants from countries a continent away the process is often far longer and costlier for the U.S. government as the migrants wait in immigration jails for travel documents to return home or a judge to decide their fate.

The uptick in arrivals of people from other continents, combined with an increase in overall border crossings in the last 12 months, has led to a spike of more than 40,000 people being held in immigration jails in recent weeks. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s budget gives them enough money to house 34,000 people at any given time and the recent overflow has officials worried they may face a budget shortfall of more than $130 million in the coming months if the trend continues.

DHS spokeswoman Gillian Christensen said the agency has enough money to “operate at current levels” until Dec. 9, when a temporary budget resolution expires. After that, she said, DHS will work to either shift money from other parts of the department or find another “alternative budget strategy.” She described the possible budget adjustment as “common.”

Manjarrez said border agents and immigration officials face multiple challenges with a rise in immigrants from so far away, including language barriers and crowded detention centers.

“The further away you get from the Americas, the more difficult it is to really know who they are,” Manjarrez said of the government’s ability to fully identify some would-be immigrants.

The director of the Washington Office on Latin America’s Mexico program, Maureen Meyer, said it appears that many of the overseas migrants are making their way through Mexico via South American countries, including Brazil, where entry visas are either easy to come by or not required. And their final destination is more often than not the United States.

“I think it’s reflecting a gradual trend, as of at least particularly the last year,” Meyer said.

While the exact draw of the round-the-world route isn’t entirely clear, Meyer said an expanding network of human smugglers appear to be taking advantage of the increasingly popular smuggling routes that use Mexico as a transit country.

“There’s a lot of smuggling that goes through Mexico that you don’t see,” Meyer said. She added that rumors of lenient treatment of some immigrants in the United States may also be a factor.

The recent influx of overseas migrants may be a harbinger of things to come.

More than 7,000 people who claimed to be from Africa have been arrested in Mexico between January and August, according to statistics maintained by Mexican federal immigration authorities. The number of such immigrants has been on the rise in recent years.

In 2013 Mexican immigration authorities arrested fewer than 1,000 migrants from Asia and Africa, while the number rose to nearly 11,000 from January through August.

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[ThePythonicCow]

Ken over at RedefinningGod.com (http://redefininggod.com/) has been developing a thesis of what's going on with the US Presidential Election, and related world affairs such as the turmoil in the Middle East and the struggles between the US, Russia and China.

His take on what's coming up, in the next month or two, in the US Presidential Election is becoming increasingly clear and plausible to me.

Today he wrote:

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The strategy behind Jill Stein’s recount effort [+ If all 3 recounts are still in dispute come Dec 14, Paul Ryan WILL be the next President (just long enough to take us to war)]

[Note: If this is your first time reading this entry, you might want to scroll down and read the original article before you read this prescript. It gives important context to this addition.]

(Prescript – 5 December 2016) – Whilst pondering the Stein/Clinton recount strategy, I realized that regardless of which way a disputed Electoral College vote might go, Paul Ryan would be placed in the Presidency on January 20. To see why, let’s recall the reason for the December 13 deadline…

http://redefininggod.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/dec13u.png
…From Archives.gov (https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html)

So if Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania’s recount controversies are not settled before December 14, the validity of their electoral votes becomes legally questionable. This means that even if they send their electors to the vote on the 19th, motions to discount their votes can be made in both the courts and the Congress.

That being said, a missed December 13 deadline in all three recount states would give rise to two scenarios for a disputed Electoral College vote…

1) The three states’ 46 electors are unable to attend the December 19 vote and 15 or more “faithless Trump electors” from other states switch their votes to Hillary, resulting in a Hillary win. The Republicans could then dispute the “disenfranchisement” of the three states’ voters by the Democrats’ sneaky legal maneuvers (done with plausible deniability through Stein), and if they win their challenge, Trump’s victory will be restored.

2) The three states’ 46 electors attend the December 19 vote despite the disputes and vote Trump. This would result in a Trump win despite the faithless electors. The Democrats could then dispute the votes of the 46 electors, and if they win their challenge, Hillary wins the Presidency.

Either way it turns out, the legal can of worms that would be opened could take several weeks to settle, which raises an obvious question…

What happens if there are no clear Electoral winners to take the offices of the President and Vice-President when Obama’s term expires on January 20?

The Presidency would temporarily fall in the lap of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Paul Ryan. And given the fact that he just passed a House resolution calling on the President to study options for a no-fly zone over Syria (https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/5732/text#toc-HE0C2D7DC816A4E36A4F9E862440BEEAA), he’d likely implement such a policy and trigger a war with Russia.

By the way, regardless of any drama that might be coming, Trump will eventually be sworn in as President. It’s what the globalist agenda calls for.
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Ken has been anticipating that Paul Ryan, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, would be acting as President for a little while, prior to Donald Trump being sworn in for the remainder of the upcoming four year term. Ken has been anticipating that Paul Ryan would cause a dramatic escalation in the military conflict in the Middle East, and that then Trump, Putin, and others would spend the next four years building a "new world order", of multiple nations cooperating on political, legal, military, economic, financial and monetary matters (under the control of the partially hidden hand of the global elite.)

Today's above post by Ken now makes it clear to me how Paul Ryan gets to be US President for a short time.

The antics of the Jill Stein recount efforts, and other election fraud efforts, are intended to:
Leave it not yet decided, on January 20, who the next properly elected President is.If that happens, and that seems to me, and to Ken, to be within reach of the bastards pulling the strings, then:

President Obama and Vice President Biden must step down, on noon of January 20, as their term has ended.
The next in line to the succession to the office of the President, Speaker of House Paul Ryan, would be the next person eligible to take the oath of office and assume the Office of the President, until such time as a duly elected President is available to be sworn in.

If the bastards can keep the election undecided until that time, then there is little doubt in my mind that Obama steps down, and Ryan steps up, until Trump or Clinton (Trump, I presume, as does Ken) is determined to be properly elected and can swear in.

This is all quite doable, and it enables the short, brutal, devastating escalation of Middle East conflict that seems necessary to advance the globalists "new world order" agenda.

The globalists have just eight days left to make this scenario likely to succeed. If they can keep about three states from formally deciding who their Electoral College electors will be, on Tuesday, 13 Dec 2016, of next week, then the rest of this plays out, almost as if on auto-pilot.

[turiya]

Can someone please answer me this as it is question I've been asking myself for awhile: Since muslims do not let themselves into Europe, muslims don't make policy, don't make legislation, don't control law enforcement - It is apparent that the (white) ruling class is allowing the islamification of Europe. My question is Why????? I know they want the complete eradication of christianity but they virtually achieved that as Europeans have been largely secular for a few decades. But what will it benefit the ruling class to have a non-white Islamic Europe? the muslims aren't powerful enough to do all this themselves.
I feel the only way to really understand the political arena is to try to understand what the ruling class is doing and why - So please, what benefits do the white ruling class, the international corporate aristocracy if you will, what do they gain by an islamic europe???

From David Wood, its clear that the general population has to use a bit more critical thinking prior to electing their politicians. Oh, but that's right, the E.U. is being run by NWO unelected elitists... Is it any wonder why there is a sudden move toward regaining Soverign Nation status... (Italian Prime Minister Resigns Over Anti-EU Vote (https://youtu.be/nuh0OHSi_Ok) )


Great Britain Grants Asylum to
the Muslim Brotherhood
(David Wood)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDVrk1gdIYg_______________________________

That's why you have the Italian police telling the Hotel / Inn Keeper (in the below video) that he's just doing what he's been told to do...

Liberal / Left-wing Democratic Party thinking follows along these same lines... as in Hillary's open borders debate statement... diversity is great for America, as she leaves out the term "illegal" when she uses the word "immigrants" in her statement...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgxvQXunMmU

[turiya]

Its good to see that some others also see what the eventual outcome will be to fruitcake-Jill's '21st Century Schizoid Manic' push to serve her Clintonesque-George Soros master plan to rule the planet...




Down for the Recount
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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/KELLYANNE_CONWAY_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/805973856477466625)





This is just embarrassing. #Recount2016 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Recount2016?src=hash)






Ed Morrissey @EdMorrissey (https://twitter.com/EdMorrissey)
WI recount, day 5: Precincts w/38.16% of Election Night votes now complete. Net change overall: Trump +19.

7:15 PM - 5 Dec 2016





Titter Link: ( https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/805973856477466625)

[TargeT]

[B]So if Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania’s recount controversies are not settled before December 14,.


The Pennsylvania recount deadline was missed (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/12/03/breaking-green-party-withdraws-pa-recount-demand/), that's 20 electoral votes OUT of the re-count & this whole re-count thing is pointless with out PA.

Jill S. is still trying in PA, but it's highly unlikely that a court will over turn the passed deadline as they have zero evidence for a recount based on electric voting fraud, or any other type of fraud.

so why do these stories continue?

[norman]

Isn't the plan to have the results still in dispute when the electoral thingy is held, removing those states from the numbers?

[TargeT]

Isn't the plan to have the results still in dispute when the electoral thingy is held, removing those states from the numbers?

with out PA, even if they completely remove the other two states trump still handily wins. You would then have to have some 20 electoral voters go against the will of their states... I dunno, seems like it was a good plan, but it's failed at this point.

[Aurelius]

<snip>


<snip>

That's why you have the Italian police telling the Hotel / Inn Keeper (in the below video) that he's just doing what he's been told to do...

Liberal / Left-wing Democratic Party thinking follows along these same lines... as in Hillary's open borders debate statement... diversity is great for America, as she leaves out the term "illegal" when she uses the word "immigrants" in her statement...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgxvQXunMmU

seen this video floating around for a week or two now, time to say a few words about the translations (subtitles) in this video, they are incorrect! whoever put the subtitles in, did so to create a particular negative effect. manipulation of the truth. here are a few instances of where translations have been subtly changed for the desired effect:

in black - the subtitles as per the video
in red - the correct translation

I won't allow them to come in!
do not come inside [blanket statement to everyone]

you are not coming in. they are not coming in.
do no enter. you may not come inside. [blanket statement to everyone]

please do not push me, do not push me.
do not touch my stuff

do you want them to check out my apartment as well?
do you want to look at my apartments? [said cheekily]

yeah, whatever, we're here already
nothing audible to confirm this

try to stay with these people for a while, so you know how they live!
nothing audible to confirm this

[Helene West]

Off the top of my head Helene, really complete guesswork, they don't want an Islamic Europe - they want a broken Europe. A broken Europe cannot resist globalisation policies, policies which will possibly be presented as a solution.

Ewan, thank you and Bsbray for responding. I too see them as using muslims to effect the total dismantlement of Europe but are they gambling a dangerous game for themselves as well? Are they that confident that they can stay completely in the shadows while they culturally genocide the ordinary white class? Currently we know their front men, the Bernake's and the Merkel's, etc. but the kind of world they are creating they won't even be able to get away with white front men/women anymore. They are creating a white hating world even though they are white....

[Star Tsar]

The Space Show

James A. M. Muncy | Space policy In A Trump Administration

Aired 5th December 2016 & Published 6th December 2016

We welcomed back Jim Muncy to discuss the possibilities for space policy in the new Trump administration. During our 96 minute one segment discussion with Jim, we talked about the members making up the Trump space transition team (landing team), some of their public statements during the campaign and post election, plus what these people do as part of the transition. Jim identified many of the landing team members and spoke to their expertise and qualifications plus some of their public statements as policy indicators. From all of this, it was possible to suggest a direction and focus for the new administration but as both Jim and I said throughout our discussion, nothing is final or set in concrete at this time. It is all still as they say, up in the air.

Jim took several email questions during the show and a few phone calls. Listeners asked about possible compromises to commercial or NewSpace because of the track record of several people on the landing team or rumored to be the next NASA Administrator. Jim debunked those fears and rumors. He also said that our new space policy would be bigger and more inclusive in the government than just NASA. he talked about national security space and the Defense Dept., especially the Air Force that will get a new Secretary and Under-secretary and both could be influential for space. He mentioned the FAA and the Dept. of Transportation as well as the Dept. of Commerce having an expanded space policy interest. He reminded us that there would be a National Space Council which would have policy impact. Vice-president Pence who will chair the National Space Council was shown to have an interest in space that goes directly to his being in charge of this important administration space consultancy.

Other topics discussed included returning to the Moon, Mars human spaceflight plans, and the ongoing competition between the Moon and Mars. Public-private partnerships were part of the discussion mix with Jim suggesting they would continue. The Chinese space policy and goals were mentioned by a listener wanting to know how a Trump administration might respond to Chinese space policy and accomplishments. Don't miss what Trump had to say about China, the Russian space program, and international space projects in general.

Another line of questioning Jim dealt with was the actual function of the space landing team members. That is, what are they supposed to be doing to facilitate Trump hitting the ground running after Jan 20, 2017. Don't miss what Jim said was the job of space landing team members.

We talked about the possibilities for the new NSAA administrator. Jim had much to say about this but said that it was likely our policy would be much broader than just NASA. He suggested the other organizations and goals mentioned in this summary would be part of our comprehensive space program moving forward. Next, we took a call from Kim in Mexico. Kim expressed some concern, based on our Sunday show with Barry Levin, that the ability for people to do desktop 3D printing as discussed by Barry and being able to make solid rocket fuel and engines could lead to lots of confusion and risks in the space field given these projects would not be regulated or get a launch license. Kim wondered if this could be a problem down the road as more and more people from around the world did DIY space launches, satellites and projects. Carl from Tucson asked Jim if their might be some space infrastructure projects included in the new administration's pending infrastructure program. Jim said it was possible but was not aware of this being considered at this time. He also said that any space infrastructure project would have to be a wealth builder for the company but far broader in its benefits than just the space industry. It would have to be a benefit for the entire nation's economy. Jim then mentioned several space related infrastructure projects that were needed. As you will hear, many involved ground project development, not assets deployed in space.

Near the end of the program, I asked Im what he thought might be the most important priority for a new 2017 space policy. Rather than answering my question, Jim brought up another issue and said he hoped that we did not go back to the 1960's way we went into space and did the Moon. Do not miss what Jim had to say on this subject.

Dr. Lurio was our final caller. Charles inquired about the CR for the 2016 budget and in particular the NASA part of the budget. Jim clarified some of what Charles had to say and then he explained the 2016 budget, including the NASA part, to use. He included what would likely unfold with the budget through the first quarter 2017. Jim then responded to Charles asking more about Jim's earlier comments on Trump campaigning in Florida and why his rally's were cancelled. Again, don't miss what Jim had to say about the issues that prevented Trump from holding rally's along the Florida Space Coast.

Listen Here: http://www.thespaceshow.com/show/05-dec-2016/broadcast-2824-jim-muncy

Or Here:
http://www.thespaceshow.com/file/7453/download?token=MruhGS46

[turiya]

Space possibilities, I think would not have much of a priority... As you can see, Trump is attempting to refrain from unnecessary expenditures w/ the cancelation of the new Boeing's Air Force 1...

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/806134244384899072)






Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!

5:52 AM - 6 Dec 2016
Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/806134244384899072)



_________________________________


I too see them as using muslims to effect the total dismantlement of Europe but are they gambling a dangerous game for themselves as well? Are they that confident that they can stay completely in the shadows while they culturally genocide the ordinary white class?

IMO, You can't really make any sense out of what a mad man thinks or is attempting to do... if you try to get into the mind of an insane person, you will, in effect, become somewhat insane yourself.

[turiya]

https://kauilapele.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/zero_hedge_logo_31.gif
Michigan Republicans File
Emergency Motion To Halt Recount
As Another Major Snag Emerges (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-06/michigan-republicans-file-emergency-motion-halt-recount-another-major-snag-emerges)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 6, 2016 11:55 AM
The Michigan Republican Party filed emergency motions with the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals early on Tuesday, seeking a stay of a federal judge's order that started a statewide presidential recount in Michigan on Monday and asking for an "en banc" review of that order by all the judges of the 6th Circuit in Cincinnati. As the Detroit Free Press notes (http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/06/gop-recount-filing-seeks-stay-review-full-panel/95031160/), normally, appeals go to a three-judge panel of the court. A stay from the 6th Circuit would halt the Michigan recount until appeals judges have a chance to review Monday's order by U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith (http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/04/michigan-recount-decision-jill-stein-donald-trump/94952282/).


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/11/29/recount%20halt_0.jpg

The question for the appeals court to consider, lawyers for the Michigan GOP said, is whether Green Party candidate Jill Stein is constitutionally entitled to a statewide recount "without any evidence that the election was affected ... by fraud or other impropriety." The party gave notice Monday it would appeal the ruling Goldsmith made after a rare Sunday hearing in Detroit. It's not clear whether or how quickly the 6th Circuit will take up the case.

Goldsmith cited a threat that unless the recount started at noon Monday, there was a credible threat that Michigan votes would not be counted, because the recount would not be completed by Dec. 13 – a deadline set out in federal law that guarantees the electors Michigan certifies for the electoral college will be accepted by Congress.

Republicans argue Stein, as a fourth-place finisher to President-elect Donald Trump, has no grounds to request a costly recount, that she waited too long to request the recount, and that the federal courts shouldn't be getting involved in a question of state law.

Meanwhile, in a separate report by the Detroit News we learned that in a parallel development the Michigan recount hit a major snag today, as Wayne County officials indicated that as many as half of Detroit’s precincts may not be eligible to participate in the recount. Under Michigan law, a precinct can't be recounted if the poll book and ballot box numbers don't match, unless there is a valid explanation. In such cases, the results from the original election night tally stand.

In the clip below, Ingham County Clerk Barb Byrum explains how entire voting precincts may be non-recountable in the presidential election recount that began Monday in Ingham and Oakland counties.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoUi36_g09Q

The officials announced that they are not yet able to reconcile 392 of the 662 precincts in heavily Democratic Detroit. A total of 610 out of 1,680 precincts in Wayne County cannot currently be reconciled. Comments by Detroit officials suggested that nobody is quite sure how to proceed in light of the widespread problems:

“It’s not good,” conceded Daniel Baxter, elections director for the city of Detroit.

He blamed the discrepancies on the city’s decade-old voting machines, saying 87 optical scanners broke on Election Day. Many jammed when voters fed ballots into scanners, which can result in erroneous vote counts if ballots are inserted multiple times. Poll workers are supposed to adjust counters to reflect a single vote but in many cases failed to do so, causing the discrepancies, Baxter said.

Baxter stated his belief that when they are actually able to open the boxes of ballots and do a manual count, they will in fact match in most of the precincts:

Even so, Baxter said it’s unlikely all 392 of the city’s precincts with mismatched numbers will be disqualified from a recount. The city is in contact with elections officials at the state of Michigan and Baxter predicted the numbers will match when the ballot boxes are re-opened for the recount, which starts Tuesday in Wayne County at Cobo Center.

“It’s a challenge, but we’re confident the ballots will match,” Baxter said. “I don’t think it’s going to be 100 percent, but it never is with a recount.”

County reports obtained by The Detroit News, though, indicate canvassers were provided no explanation for why the numbers didn’t add up in those precincts. They certified the results of the election anyway.

Between the GOP challenge and the discovery that many Detroit precincts will not be able to participate in the recount, the hopes of Green Party candidate Jill Stein that the recount will end up throwing Michigan’s Electoral College votes to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton have likely suffered a death blow. Detroit and surrounding areas went heavily for Clinton, and are the only reason the state of Michigan was even close, as most of the rest of the state went solidly for Trump.

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-06/michigan-republicans-file-emergency-motion-halt-recount-another-major-snag-emerges)

[turiya]

Sanctuary City Mayors could be denied federal law enforcement funding...


SR #1383 – Democrat Mayors
Could Face 10 Years in Prison
(Published on Dec 6, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tv7n4oGm8s_________________________________

LIVE STREAM: Donald Trump 'Thank You'
Fayetteville NC Rally 12/06/16
'USA Thank You Tour 2016'
(Started streaming 2 hours ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4pMRtSzjSo

[Helene West]

Listened to most of the Trump tape above. He just appointed someone named 'mad dog maddox' to sec of defense! hah, hah...
He still talks about himself a little too much to suit me and when he's not talking about his wins he's making one extraordinary promise after the other... don't get me wrong, i didn't want clinton but I'm still in shock that he is the president....

[KiwiElf]

Space possibilities, I think would not have much of a priority... As you can see, Trump is attempting to refrain from unnecessary expenditures w/ the cancelation of the new Boeing's Air Force 1...

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/806134244384899072)






Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!

5:52 AM - 6 Dec 2016
Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/806134244384899072)



_________________________________


I too see them as using muslims to effect the total dismantlement of Europe but are they gambling a dangerous game for themselves as well? Are they that confident that they can stay completely in the shadows while they culturally genocide the ordinary white class?

IMO, You can't really make any sense out of what a mad man thinks or is attempting to do... if you try to get into the mind of an insane person, you will, in effect, become somewhat insane yourself.

Admittedly, Air Force One is much more sophisticated & "equipped" than even the "VIP 747-800", with a base price of $358 million plus an additional $200 million for refurbishment... but $4 billion???? (Do the math!... actually, that's really cheap compared to the F-35 "flying turd" program which is now into the $trillions... and it still don't go!) ;)

https://www.google.co.nz/#q=boeing+747-8+vip+cost

http://www.azureazure.com/toys/boeing-747-8-vip-the-largest-and-most-luxurious-private-jet-in-the-world

[turiya]

Cross-posted from another thread... This May be Obama's Real Birth Certificate (but also may be a hoax) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86769-This-may-be-Obama-s-real-birth-certificate--but-may-also-be-a-hoax-&p=1118639&viewfull=1#post1118639)...

Bill Ryan wrote:

Here's Joel Gilbert's 2012 documentary about Obama's real origins, Dreams from My Real Father (http://obamasrealfather.com) :

Dreams From My Real Father (2012).mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Dreams%20From%20My%20Real%20Father%20(2012).mp4) (mp4, 97 mins, 479 Mb)



http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2012/09/28/with-dreams-from-my-real-father-have-obama-haters-hit-rock-bottom/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/44961942.cached.jpg

Own Comment: One can get a much clearer picture of what has happened over time to the Left-leaning Liberal Mindset...

Joel Gilbert interview begins at 59:00...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyQrn2_Nh6M

[turiya]

Bix Weir interview... on economy, Trump taking out the 'bad guys'... the coming collapse, fake news / censorship, fake unemployment stats, nanny state will disappear...


Bix Weir: The System Is Set To Crash,
All Currency In The Banks Will Disappear
(Published on Dec 6, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kufRMw9obXE______________________________


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/KELLYANNE_CONWAY_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)






Donald Trump: TIME Person of the Year 2016.

11:36 AM - 7 Dec 2016
Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)



https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/donald-trump-person-of-the-year-poy-header-mobile1.jpg?quality=85&w=375

______________________________

MSM - Throwing in their own contribution into feeding those that got 'butt-hurt'...



http://mmr.ua/uploaded/materials/f36728af4d.jpg

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Admittedly, Air Force One is much more sophisticated & "equipped" than even the "VIP 747-800", with a base price of $358 million plus an additional $200 million for refurbishment... but $4 billion????

The Boeing contract is for $170M. No order for actual planes has been placed and so there is no order to cancel. He's retaliating against Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg for being critical of Trump's foreign policy. Trump is a petulant toddler who cannot tolerate the slightest criticism.

[turiya]

Admittedly, Air Force One is much more sophisticated & "equipped" than even the "VIP 747-800", with a base price of $358 million plus an additional $200 million for refurbishment... but $4 billion????

The Boeing contract is for $170M. No order for actual planes has been placed and so there is no order to cancel. He's retaliating against Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg for being critical of Trump's foreign policy. Trump is a petulant toddler who cannot tolerate the slightest criticism.


https://gettsushortcode.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/foxbusiness-logo.jpg?w=155&h=75
Boeing CEO Calls Trump
After Air Force One Criticism (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/12/07/boeing-ceo-calls-trump-after-air-force-one-criticism.html)
By Matthew Rocco
Published December 07, 2016
Defense FOXBusiness

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/06/article-urn:publicid:ap.org:4a022392bb7f47beb1c0fa6886cca47d-5FCe2AgzNK593c9efecd69b83da0-979_634x385.jpg
Air Force One is seen on the tarmac at Andrews Air Force Base, Md., Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2016,
before President Barack Obama boards en route to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Fla.
President-elect Donald Trump wants the government's contract for a new ...
(AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)
Boeing (BA) Chairman and CEO Dennis Muilenburg called President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday after Trump targeted the company over the cost of building the next Air Force One.

“Muilenburg congratulated Mr. Trump on his election win and committed to working with the new administration to control costs as they establish requirements for the new Air Force One to keep the program as affordable as possible and deliver the best value to American taxpayers,” Boeing said in a statement.

The aerospace and defense giant said Trump and its CEO also discussed “the overall importance of American manufacturing and Boeing’s continuing strong contribution and commitment to U.S. jobs.”

Boeing found itself in the spotlight when Trump criticized what he called “out of control” costs of $4 billion tied to the Air Force One program (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/12/06/trump-targets-boeing-for-out-control-air-force-one-costs.html), which calls for two 747-8 jumbo jets that will serve as the next presidential fleet. In a message on Twitter (TWTR (http://www.foxbusiness.com/quote.html?stockTicker=TWTR)), Trump said the federal government should cancel the order.

“I think Boeing is doing a little bit of a number,” Trump told reporters at Trump Tower in New York. “We want Boeing to make a lot of money but not that much money.”

A defense official confirmed that the program’s total cost will likely hit $4 billion, according to Fox News. So far, Boeing is under contract for $170 million, as the company moves forward with the research and development phase of the project. The U.S. Air Force earmarked $1.65 billion to fund the project between 2015 and 2019, and the Government Accountability Office estimated a total cost of $3.2 billion through fiscal-year 2020. (Emphasis mine.)

Boeing said it would work with the Air Force on the next phases of the program to “deliver the best planes for the President at the best value for the American taxpayer.”

Shares of Boeing fell in early morning trading on Tuesday, but the stock ended the day in the green. Boeing also posted gains on Wednesday morning in reaction to Muilenburg’s call with Trump.

It’s possible that Boeing and the Air Force can lower costs for the entire Air Force One program, but there’s “no chance” it will be cancelled, according to CFRA Research analyst Jim Corridore.

“The current aircraft that fly the President are old and outdated and need replacement and we see as the only viable alternative for the program since it is the only American company with the technological capabilities to make the plane,” Corridore wrote in a note to clients.

SOURCE (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/12/07/boeing-ceo-calls-trump-after-air-force-one-criticism.html)

[B]Lou Dobbs interviews David Bossie
See VIDEO (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/12/06/trump-targets-boeing-for-out-control-air-force-one-costs.html)

[Helene West]

Bix Weir interview... on economy, Trump taking out the 'bad guys'... the coming collapse, fake news / censorship, fake unemployment stats, nanny state will disappear...


Bix Weir: The System Is Set To Crash,
All Currency In The Banks Will Disappear
(Published on Dec 6, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kufRMw9obXE______________________________


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/KELLYANNE_CONWAY_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)






Donald Trump: TIME Person of the Year 2016.

11:36 AM - 7 Dec 2016
Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)



https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/donald-trump-person-of-the-year-poy-header-mobile1.jpg?quality=85&w=375

______________________________

MSM - Throwing in their own contribution into feeding those that got 'butt-hurt'...



http://mmr.ua/uploaded/materials/f36728af4d.jpg


Wow. Is this - The 'Divided States of America' a real cover for Time Mag or a joke? If real it's ballsy.

[norman]

Haha... "We're going bust, but don't worry, you're in experience hands..............

http://mmr.ua/uploaded/materials/f36728af4d.jpg

[KiwiElf]

Admittedly, Air Force One is much more sophisticated & "equipped" than even the "VIP 747-800", with a base price of $358 million plus an additional $200 million for refurbishment... but $4 billion????

The Boeing contract is for $170M. No order for actual planes has been placed and so there is no order to cancel. He's retaliating against Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg for being critical of Trump's foreign policy. Trump is a petulant toddler who cannot tolerate the slightest criticism.

In other words, call it what it is... a DEPOSIT to spend $4 billion :)
(Which btw, is the same cost as one of the US Navy's latest "stealth" warship, the USS Zumwalt)

And I'd personally rather have a "petulant toddler" at the helm than a serial lying, psycho, murdering, warmongering, treasonous, satanic, pedophile witch. Did I leave anything out? ;)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Why is it that anytime someone points out a failing with Trump, some of you immediately turn to an attack on Hillary? Does it make you feel better or something? Does it make it easier for you to accept Trump? It's really weird.

[norman]

Hey I think 'petulant toddler' is one of Trump's greatest assets. There's no losing things in translation with this guy. Morph toddler into power manager and you've got someone who doesn't send sly mixed signals. People of ill intent don't get a space to fester with him. I DO wonder what his attitude will be towards people who can't just jump out of invalid mode, though. Families are well destroyed and 'looking after your elders' is a generational vacuum from here onwards. Youngsters can jump on board with the Trump mantra quite easily, the frail might have reason the worry.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Now that the dust from the election has settled, I think we will begin to see more and more people waking up to the possibility that a Trump presidency won't be what we thought it would be. As for not accepting or considering Trump's failings, I think that has to do with people identifying with him, and seeing any criticism of Trump as a criticism of the self.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Now that the dust from the election has settled, I think we will begin to see more and more people waking up to the possibility that a Trump presidency won't be what we thought it would be.

I think this will be true for both people who supported him and people who did not.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Now that the dust from the election has settled, I think we will begin to see more and more people waking up to the possibility that a Trump presidency won't be what we thought it would be.

I think this will be true for both people who supported him and people who did not.

Can you expand on this Mystic? I'm curious what you think those who did not support him will be surprised by. Do you mean that he won't be the train wreck that so many are saying he will be?

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Now that the dust from the election has settled, I think we will begin to see more and more people waking up to the possibility that a Trump presidency won't be what we thought it would be.

I think this will be true for both people who supported him and people who did not.

Can you expand on this Mystic? I'm curious what you think those who did not support him will be surprised by. Do you mean that he won't be the train wreck that so many are saying he will be?

Oh, I think it will be a train wreck all right, but there may be some surprises. The GOP is likely to impeach him, unless they can control him. But maybe he will actually kill the TPP. That would be good I think. He says he is going to lower drug prices. I think he has no clue how, but let him try. Kansas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming will probably catch fire and burn to the ground. That would be surprising. He might sell Wisconsin to Gyna for scrap metal. He might mistake Georgia for Georgia and nuke it. He might lease Florida to Japan and sell the Grand Canyon to Prince Feisal so he can go rafting. It's a mad mad mad world! Remember! Aab ki baar Trump sarkaar!

Ah, I'm just kidding. I'm obviously brainwashed by the liberal media and Trump is a hero and a genius. I hope he grabs my pussy. Oh, some here might get offended if I say bad things about Dear Leader. The Fuhrer is sensitive, after all. But there's one thing we all know. He's definitely going to carve a giant T on the moon like he's Chairface Chippendale.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130223212441/tick/images/8/82/ChairfaceChairDiamond.png
http://www.unwinnable.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ChairfaceMoon_main.jpg

[Billy Vasiliadis]

That's the spirit!

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Trump will build giant Trump heads, similar to the ones on Easter Island, which will be scattered throughout North America. After the nuclear fallout, the heads will survive the blasts, and after history has been almost totally forgotten centuries from now, people will look upon the heads and wonder what exactly they represent. There will be stories, some saying that the heads depict a man who tried his best to prevent the wars, other saying that he caused it. The mystery will remain, however, lost in time.

Damn, I should write a book with the above as the synopsis. Any ideas for the title?

[ThePythonicCow]

Any ideas for the title?
The Legendary Trump Dynasty, echo'd through history as the Fourth Dynasty of Egypt, when the Pyramid of Giza was supposedly built, or the Xia, Shang, Zhou, Han, Tang and Qing Dynasties of China.

:)

[Billy Vasiliadis]

Trump: Friend or Foe

Trump for Dummies: How to ruin a country in 90 days (or your money back)

[Ewan]

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/806587918504509440

@ABCPolitics

.@RepCummings: "Overwhelming evidence" Russia interfered with 2016 election

[turiya]

The possibility is...

A generation - the 'status quo' generation - expresses its reaction - a standard expected reaction to what is not understood...

A 'Reaction' is different than a 'Response'. A Reaction is base on past knowledge... it is a learned type of behavior... as in a 'knee-jerk' reaction. Whereas, a 'Reponse' comes out of an awareness of the moment... its not prepared in advance... not done out of expectation. But comes spontaneously out of the present moment.

For example, MSM can only be a Status Quo Reaction... it is written, spoken specifically for those that are part of, and depend on, the Status Quo for its survival.





The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/03/civil-war-ii-fourth-turning-intensifying-part-i/https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/03/civil-war-ii-fourth-turning-intensifying-part-i/)

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GREY CHAMPION (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2013/09/23/grey-champion/)

A Grey Champion must step forward and lead.
Who will it be? Where will they lead us?
These are the questions of our time.

Grey Champions
Posted on September 23, 2016
By: Strauss & Howe
One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/def/puritan-gen.html) who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return? “I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.”

Posterity had to wait a while before seeing him again—the length of another long human life, in fact. “When eighty years had passed,” wrote Hawthorne, the Gray Champion reappeared. The occasion was the revolutionary summer of 1775—when America’s elders once again appealed to God, summoned the young to battle, and dared the hated enemy to fire. “When our fathers were toiling at the breastwork on Bunker’s Hill,” Hawthorne continued, “all through that night the old warrior walked his rounds.” This “old warrior”—this graying peer of Sam Adams or Ben Franklin or Samuel Langdon (the Harvard president who preached to the Bunker Hill troops)—belonged to the Awakening Generation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory), whose youth had provided the spiritual taproot of the republic secured in their old age.

Hawthorne wrote this stirring legend in 1837, as a young man of 33. The Bunker Hill “fathers” belonged to his parents’ generation, by then well into old age. The nation had new arguments (over slavery) and new enemies (Mexico), but no one expected the old people of that era—the worldly likes of John Marshall and John Jacob Astor—to play the role of Gray Champion.

“Long, long may it be ere he comes again!” Hawthorne prophesied. “His hour is one of darkness, and adversity, and peril. But should domestic tyranny oppress us, or the invaders’ step pollute our soil, still may the Gray Champion come….” Although Hawthorne did not say when this would be, perhaps he should have been able to tell.

Had the young author counted eight or nine decades forward from Bunker Hill, or had he envisioned the old age of the young zealots (like Joseph Smith, Nat Turner, and William Lloyd Garrison) who had recently convulsed America’s soul, he might have foreseen that the next Gray Champion would emerge from his own Transcendental Generation. Seared young by God, Hawthorne’s peers were destined late in life to face an hour of “darkness, and adversity, and peril.” The old priest-warrior would arise yet again in John Brown, damning the unrighteous from his scaffold; in Julia Ward Howe, writing “a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel”; in William Tecumseh Sherman, scorching Georgia with “the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword”; in Robert E. Lee commanding thousands of young men to their deaths at Cemetery Ridge; and especially in Abraham Lincoln, announcing to Congress that “the fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the last generation.”

Were Hawthorne to have prophesied yet another eight decades further ahead, he might have foretold another Gray Champion whose childhood would begin just after the “fiery trial” of Hawthorne’s own old age. This generation would come of age scorching the elder-built world with its inner fire—and then, a half-saeculum later, complete its self-declared “rendezvous with destiny” as “the wise old men of World War II.” By adding FDR’s Missionary Generation (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/def/missionary-gen.html) to the recurrence, Hawthorne’s Tale would have been not Twice, but Four Times Told.

When ancestral generations passed through these great gates of history, they saw in the Gray Champion a type of elder very different from the bustling “senior citizens” of America’s recent past—and from the old “Uncle Sam” Revolutionary War survivors of the 1830s, when Hawthorne wrote his tale. Who were these old priest warriors? They were elder expressions of the Prophet (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html#Prophet) archetype. And their arrival into old age heralded a new constellation of generations.

SOURCE (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2013/09/23/grey-champion/)

[turiya]

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'Grey Champion' Assumes Command,
Part 1 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-20/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-1)
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Nov 20, 2016 5:30 PM Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/19/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-one/),


At each of these great gates of history, eighty to a hundred years apart, a similar generational drama unfolded. Four archetypes, aligned in the same order – elder Prophet, midlife Nomad, young adult Hero, child Artist – together produced the most enduring legends in our history. Each time the Grey Champion appeared marked the arrival of a moment of “darkness, and adversity, and peril,” the climax of the Fourth Turning of the saeculum. – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) – Strauss & Howe


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In September 2015, I wrote a five part article called Fourth Turning: Crisis of Trust. In Part 2 (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/09/14/fourth-turning-crisis-of-trust-part-2/) of that article I pondered who might emerge as the Grey Champion, leading the country during the second half of this Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=thebur01-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=12f27700a4b1be5f7abb0252bb808542&creativeASIN=0767900464) Crisis. I had the above pictures of Franklin, Lincoln, and FDR, along with a flaming question mark. The question has been answered. Donald J. Trump is the Grey Champion.

When I wrote that article, only one GOP debate had taken place. There were eleven more to go. Trump was viewed by the establishment as a joke, ridiculed by the propaganda media, and disdained by the GOP and Democrats. I was still skeptical of his seriousness and desire to go the distance, but I attempted to view his candidacy through the lens of the Fourth Turning. I was convinced the mood of the country turning against the establishment could lead to his elevation to the presidency. I was definitely in the minority at the time:



Until three months ago the 2016 presidential election was in control of the establishment. The Party was putting forth their chosen crony capitalist figureheads – Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. They are hand-picked known controllable entities who will not upset the existing corrupt system. They are equally acceptable to Goldman Sachs, the Federal Reserve, the military industrial complex, the sickcare industry, mega-corporate America, the moneyed interests, and the never changing government apparatchiks. The one party system is designed to give the appearance of choice, while in reality there is no difference between the policies of the two heads of one party and their candidate products. But now Donald Trump has stormed onto the scene from the reality TV world to tell the establishment – You’re Fired!!!

The linear thinking supporters of the status quo are flabbergasted and outraged by Trump’s popularity. The ruling classes never anticipate the mood shift of the peasants as they look down on the masses from their gated estates and penthouse suites. The country is looking for someone who can tear down the entire fetid, corrupt, rotting structure. The onset of phase two of this Crisis in 2016 will produce a populace more desperate, less trusting of the establishment and likely to turn towards someone like Trump, in despair. – Fourth Turning – Crisis of Trust (Part Two) (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/09/14/fourth-turning-crisis-of-trust-part-2/)

Strauss and Howe wrote their prophetic tome two decades ago. Their prognostications have played out exactly as they prophesied. They did not know which events or which people would catalyze this Fourth Turning. But they knew the mood change in the country would be driven by the predictable generational alignment which occurs every eighty years. Our regeneracy is now solidly under way.

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&)

Linear thinking pundits, politicians, businessmen, bankers, bureaucrats, and citizens fail to grasp the cyclical nature of history. They think themselves progressives, falsely believing humanity and history move forward in a straight line. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is why they throw hissy fits when their predictions and beliefs are thrown into disarray by events and mood changes in the country.

The linear thinking establishment is losing their proverbial minds over Trump’s landslide electoral victory, they never saw coming. They’re flabbergasted, angry, and living in denial as history tracks a path it travels every eighty years or so. As the Greatest Generation departs this earth, there are few left who lived through the last Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&). That’s why the living generations are always surprised when another predictable crisis arrives. We never seem to learn the lessons of history.

Perpetual progress is a myth. Average American households haven’t seen economic progress in decades. Education continues to deteriorate, as the young become progressively dumber. Well-paying goods producing jobs have been shipped overseas, replaced by low paying, no benefits service jobs. Government is corrupt, inept, and discredited. Our culture is degraded, decadent, depraved, and despoiled.

Progress has devolved into regression. We’ve entered our saecular Winter and there is no turning back. It arrived with ferocious blizzard like conditions in 2008, and had been in a debt induced lull until this election. A bitter fierce wind has begun to whip across the plains and black swirling clouds portend a tempestuous future. As the gathering storm looms, the Grey Champion appears on the mountaintop.


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“Americans have always been blind to the next turning until after it fully arrives.

Most of today’s adult Americans grew up in a society whose citizens dreamed of perpetually improving outcomes: better jobs, fatter wallets, stronger government, finer culture, nicer families, smarter kids, all the usual fruits of progress. Today, deep into the Third Turning, these goals feel like they are slipping away. Many of us wish we could rewind time, but we know we can’t – and we fear for our children and grandchildren.

Many Americans wish that, somehow, they could bring back a saecular spring now. But seasons don’t work that way. As in nature, a saecular autumn can be warm or cool, long or short, but the leaves will surely fall. The saecular winter can hurry or wait, but history warns that it will surely be upon us.

We may not wish the Grey Champion to come again – but come he must, and come he will.” – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) – Strauss & Howe

To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&). One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump.

In most cases the Grey Champions are not revered or glorified until decades after the Crisis is resolved. Lincoln was and still is despised by just about everyone living south of the Mason Dixon line. Outraged businessmen attempted to convince Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR. Large swaths of Americans believe he is responsible for creating our welfare state and the unfunded liabilities which are playing a large part in this current Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&). The unintended consequences of decisions made in previous Fourth Turnings often become the catalysts for the next crisis.

The Grey Champion or Champions are Prophet Generation leaders who command respect due to their age, attitude and warlike demeanor. They were born shortly after the previous Great War Crisis and became the narcissistic young crusaders during the Awakening, driven achievers during the midlife Unraveling, and principled moralists summoning great deeds during the next Crisis.

They tend to inspire through their words and rhetoric, rather than through grand deeds. They are human beings, and as with all humans, they exhibit both positive and negative traits. Prominent positive traits include being principled, resolute and creative. Detrimental traits include being narcissistic, presumptuous, and ruthless. The Grey Champion arrives when the situation looks grim and the people need a jolt of courage to meet the frightful challenges ahead.

One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return? “I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.” – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) – Strauss & Howe

The old man has appeared again. Just as he appeared eighty years after the glorious revolution behind the breastworks on Bunker Hill, providing spiritual inspiration to the farmer militia. The greying peer of Samuel Adams and Ben Franklin was just playing his role in the generational alignment which occurs every eighty years like clockwork. As the hour of darkness, adversity and peril arrives, the virtuous, fiery and unrepentant Gray Champion(s) appear through the fog of history like an apparition.

As the clock counted down to 1860, seventy-nine years after the climax of the previous Crisis, ideologues, warriors and righteous politician Grey Champions like John Brown, William Tecumseh Sherman, Robert E. Lee and Abraham Lincoln stepped into the breach, as the terrible swift sword felled over 700,000 citizens.

Seven decades later as financial markets collapsed, the world sank into a global depression, with world war just over the horizon, a moralistic no-nonsense prophet generation leader arose to lead his nation towards their rendezvous with destiny. As ancestral generations entered the constellation that reoccurs every eighty years, elder warriors FDR, Douglas MacArthur, and Winston Churchill appeared to revive the spirits of their countrymen and fight the scourge of fascism.

No one can make the argument these three Crisis leaders were likeable. In fact, their personalities were grating and they were detested by friends and foes alike. What they did was ignore protocol, feelings, and minutia, to focus on the only thing that mattered – prevailing at all costs.

The previous two Grey Champion leaders – Lincoln and Roosevelt – are still reviled by many Americans, as they were by millions during their time. Unconstitutional policies and executive actions during the gloomy ambiguous days of the Civil War, Great Depression, and World War II left a long lasting impression on the country and play a major role in our current crisis. Both centralized power with the Federal government, drastically weakening the power of the states. Both set the country on a path towards increased taxation, spending and waging war.

Lincoln and FDR were elected Grey Champions, but Lincoln only received 39.9% of the popular vote in a four way race, while FDR won in a landslide with 57% of the vote over Hoover. It was clear Lincoln didn’t have a mandate, as Southern states began seceding after his election. Lincoln’s support in the North was halfhearted at best.

Lincoln captured only 55% of the vote in the 1864 election, with only northern states voting. His cabinet of rivals despised him. They plotted against him, actively opposed his policies, and gloried in his failures. After four grim years of slaughter and failure, he was assassinated just as his armies’ attained victory. To this day he is still despised by liberty minded states’ rights proponents.

Even though FDR won landslide popular vote victories in 1932 and 1936, his detractors and adversaries were numerous. FDR’s confiscation of gold, antagonism toward big business, and dictatorial style, convinced a number of wealthy businessmen to approach General Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR and install a fascist regime to run the country. His New Deal “make work” projects and socialist policies were widely scorned by free market capitalists, as they prolonged the Great Depression.

No one can assert Lincoln or FDR united all Americans in a common cause. Grey Champions are not universally adored or defended. They aggravated societal pressures that had been ignored or deferred by their predecessors. Compromise was not an alternative for these men. They were going to lead in a confrontational style suited to the times, using unyielding principles to vanquish their enemies. Grey Champions have a particular set of personality traits making them well suited to lead during a Crisis. They have the facility to overlook the complexities of life and focus on one simple imperative: society must prevail.

In Part Two of this article (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1116186&viewfull=1#post1116186) I will assess the prospects of success for our new Grey Champion – Donald J. Trump and why this Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) is about to turn nasty.

ZERO HEDGE SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-20/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-1)

[turiya]

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/806587918504509440

@ABCPolitics

.@RepCummings: "Overwhelming evidence" Russia interfered with 2016 election

Rep Cummings: "Let that sink in."


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Rep Elijah E. Cummings - Letting it Sink In...

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Washington Post Appends
“Russian Propaganda Fake News” Story,
Admits It May Be Fake (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/washington-post-apends-russian-propaganda-story-admits-it-may-be-fake)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 7, 2016 8:16 PM
In the latest example why the "mainstream media" is facing a historic crisis of confidence among its readership, facing unprecedented blowback following Craig Timberg November 24 Washington Post story "Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say" (In the latest example why the "mainstream media" is facing a historic crisis of confidence among its readership, facing unprecedented blowback following Craig Timberg November 24 Washington Post story "Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during election, experts say", on Wednesday a lengthy editor's note appeared on top of the original article in which the editor not only distances the WaPo from the "experts" quoted in the original article whose "work" served as the basis for the entire article (and which became the most read WaPo story the day it was published) but also admits the Post could not "vouch for the validity of PropOrNot's finding regarding any individual media outlet", in effect admitting the entire story may have been, drumroll "fake news" and conceding the Bezos-owned publication may have engaged in defamation by smearing numerous websites - Zero Hedge included - with patently false and unsubstantiated allegations. It was the closest the Washington Post would come to formally retracting the story, which has now been thoroughly discredited not only by outside commentators, but by its own editor.), on Wednesday a lengthy editor's note appeared on top of the original article in which the editor not only distances the WaPo from the "experts" quoted in the original article whose "work" served as the basis for the entire article (and which became the most read WaPo story the day it was published) but also admits the Post could not "vouch for the validity of PropOrNot's finding regarding any individual media outlet", in effect admitting the entire story may have been, drumroll "fake news" and conceding the Bezos-owned publication may have engaged in defamation by smearing numerous websites - Zero Hedge included - with patently false and unsubstantiated allegations.

It was the closest the Washington Post would come to formally retracting the story, which has now been thoroughly discredited not only by outside commentators, but by its own editor.

The apended note in question: Editor’s Note:

The Washington Post on Nov. 24 published a story on the work of four sets of researchers who have examined what they say are Russian propaganda efforts to undermine American democracy and interests. One of them was PropOrNot, a group that insists on public anonymity, which issued a report identifying more than 200 websites that, in its view, wittingly or unwittingly published or echoed Russian propaganda. A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so. Since publication of The Post’s story, PropOrNot has removed some sites from its list.
As The Washingtonian notes (https://www.washingtonian.com/2016/12/07/washington-post-appends-editors-note-russian-propaganda-story/), the implicit concession follows intense and rising criticism of the article over the past two weeks. It was “rife with obviously reckless and unproven allegations,” (https://theintercept.com/2016/11/26/washington-post-disgracefully-promotes-a-mccarthyite-blacklist-from-a-new-hidden-and-very-shady-group/) Intercept reporters Glenn Greenwald and Ben Norton wrote, noting that PropOrNot, one of the groups whose research was cited in Timberg’s piece, “anonymous cowards.” One of the sites PropOrNot cited as Russian-influenced was the Drudge Report.

The piece’s description of some sharers of bogus news as “useful idiots” could “theoretically include anyone on any social-media platform who shares news based on a click-bait headline,” (http://fortune.com/2016/11/25/russian-fake-news/) Mathew Ingram wrote for Fortune.

But the biggest issue was PropOrNot itself. As Adrian Chen wrote for the New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-propaganda-about-russian-propaganda), its methods were themselves suspect, hinting at counter-Russian propaganda - ostensibly with Ukrainian origins - and verification of its work was nearly impossible. Chen wrote “the prospect of legitimate dissenting voices being labelled fake news or Russian propaganda by mysterious groups of ex-government employees, with the help of a national newspaper, is even scarier.”

Criticism culminated this week when the "Naked capitalism" blog threatened (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-05/fake-news-site-threatens-washington-post-defamation-suit-demands-retraction) to sue the Washington Post, demanding a retraction.

Now, at least, the "national newspaper" has taken some responsibility, however the key question remains: by admitting it never vetted its primary source, whose biased and conflicted "work" smeared hundreds of websites, this one included, just how is the Washington Post any different from the "fake news" it has been deriding on a daily basis ever since its endorsed presidential candidate lost the elections?

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/washington-post-apends-russian-propaganda-story-admits-it-may-be-fake)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Now that the dust from the election has settled, I think we will begin to see more and more people waking up to the possibility that a Trump presidency won't be what we thought it would be.

I think this will be true for both people who supported him and people who did not.

Moreso for the kind of people who made it a point all year that he was "literally Hitler."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeNEq0TWGdk


He's already doing a lot better than I thought he was. I don't quite have "winning AIDS" yet but just from his cabinet picks I can already tell he's really bringing the sledgehammer to the Washington establishment, and I love it.

Plus as the results he's producing keep coming in, and when he and Ben Carson finally reach into our inner cities and start fixing things for real, we're going to witness the first utter destruction of a national party's viability (the Democratic party) since... what, the 1850s?

[A Voice from the Mountains]

US Steel says 10,000 more jobs coming back to the US because of Trump election, that Obama's EPA (his weapon of choice against American industries) was killing them.


US Steel wants to accelerate investments, bring back jobs, CEO says


U.S. Steel CEO: All we've been looking for is fairness
US Steel CEO: All we've been looking for is fairness
Wednesday, 7 Dec 2016 | 1:02 PM ET | 04:56

United States Steel would like to accelerate its investments and hire back laid-off employees now that Donald Trump will be occupying the Oval Office, CEO Mario Longhi told CNBC on Wednesday.

"We already structured to do some things, but when you see in the near future improvement to the tax laws, improvements to regulation, those two things by themselves may be a significant driver to what we're going to do," he said in an interview with CNBC's "Power Lunch."

In addition, the belief that the U.S. economy can grow at least 3.5 percent also adds to what the company can do, Longhi noted.

"I'd be more than happy to bring back the employees we've been forced to lay off during that depressive period," he said, which "could be close to 10,000 jobs."

In a statement to CNBC later, U.S. Steel clarified that Longhi was "referring to the American steel industry overall, not just to employees of United States Steel Corporation."


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/us-steel-wants-to-accelerate-investments-bring-back-jobs-ceo-says.html


The continued collapse of the leaderless Democratic party:


The collapse of the political left

It's been a tough decade for the political left. Eight years ago a Time magazine cover portrayed Barack Obama as Franklin Roosevelt, complete with cigarette and holder and a cover line proclaiming "The New New Deal." A Newsweek cover announced "We Are All Socialists Now."

Now the cover story is different. Time has just announced, inevitably though a bit begrudgingly, that its Person of the Year for 2016 is Donald Trump. No mention of New Deals or socialism.

It's not surprising that newsmagazine editors expected a move to the left. The history they'd been taught by New Deal admirers, influenced by the doctrines of Karl Marx, was that economic distress moves voters to demand a larger and more active government.

There was some empirical evidence in that direction as well. The recession triggered by the financial crisis of 2007-08 was the deepest experienced by anyone not old enough to remember the 1930s. Barack Obama was elected with 53 percent of the popular vote—more than any candidate since the 1980s—and Democrats had won congressional elections with similar majorities in 2006 and 2008.

Things look different now, and not just because Donald Trump was elected president. It has been clear that most voters have been rejecting big government policies, and not just in the United States but in most democratic nations around the world.

Leftist politicians supposed that ordinary voters with modest incomes facing hard times would believe that regulation and redistribution would help them. Evidently most don't.

The rejection was apparent in the 2010 and subsequent House elections; Republicans have now won House majorities in ten of the last 12 elections, leaving 2006 and 2008 as temporary aberrations. You didn't hear Hillary Clinton campaign on the glories of Obamacare or the Iran nuclear deal, and her attack on "Trumped-up, trickle-down economics" didn't strike any chords in the modest-income Midwest.

Republican success has been even greater in governor and state legislature elections, to the point that Democrats hold governorships and legislative control only in California, Hawaii, Delaware and Rhode Island. After eight years of the Obama presidency, Democrats hold fewer elective offices than at any time since the 1920s.

Things look similar abroad. Britain's Conservatives, returned to government in 2010, are in a commanding position over a left-lurching Labour party. France's Socialist president, with single-digit approval, declined to run for a second term. European social democratic parties have been hemorrhaging votes, and got walloped in Sunday's Italian referendum. In Latin America and Asia, the left is declining or on the defensive.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-collapse-of-the-political-left/article/2609139


It looks like the end of the road for all the man-made "global warming" nonsense, oh wait I mean "climate change" since the warming suddenly isn't so obvious anymore and they had to change the terminology.


Trump ignores Gore’s advice, instead picks skeptic to head EPA & dismantle climate agenda

'Trump listened to what Gore had to say at their New York City meeting and then he exercised his good judgement and did the exact opposite.'

Climate Depot’s publisher Marc Morano statement on President Elect Donald Trump’s selection of Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt pick for EPA chief:

“President-Elect Trump’s appointment of Scott Pruitt is a breath of fresh air. No longer do we have to suffer under President Obama’s ridiculous EPA ‘climate’ regulations. It is also refreshing that a Republican President is not throwing the EPA over to the green activists and the media by appointing a weak administrator. Christine Todd Whitman he is not! See: Bravo! Trump appoints ‘a fierce critic of the EPA’ — to head EPA! & Cheers! Trump picks leading EPA critic to head agency & NYT: ‘Trump Picks Scott Pruitt, Climate Change Denialist, to Lead EPA‘ & Wash Post: Trump names Scott Pruitt, Oklahoma AG suing EPA on climate change

Trump’s pick of Pruitt finally means that a Republican President is standing up the green establishment! Historically, EPA chiefs have been among the most pro regulatory members of past Republican presidents from Nixon through Ford, Reagan and both Bushes. Trump has broken the cycle!

http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/12/07/trump-ignores-gores-advice-instead-picks-skeptic-to-head-epa-dismantle-climate-agenda/


Meanwhile the leftists continue their communist push to censor the Internet's real news, trying to force us to keep watching their corporate fake news:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q023LBxAEJ4


The House of Representatives was also poised to impeach Obama's IRS head the other day too, but refrained in the end because they don't want to tie up the first days of Trump's administration with impeachment hearings. Trump will probably just fire and replace him anyway.

[Satori]

Very good article by Steven Yates regarding prognostications for a Trump presidency. Discussed in the context of The Four Turnings, of High, Awakening, Unraveling and Crisis.

http://newswithviews.com/Yates/steven202.htm

[TargeT]

Can you expand on this Mystic? I'm curious what you think those who did not support him will be surprised by. Do you mean that he won't be the train wreck that so many are saying he will be?

exactly, both sides have gone to silly extremes... if we lived through 16 years of BUSH, we can do 4 (or most likely, 8) of trump.


He's already doing a lot better than I thought he was. I don't quite have "winning AIDS" yet but just from his cabinet picks I can already tell he's really bringing the sledgehammer to the Washington establishment, and I love it.

Plus as the results he's producing keep coming in, and when he and Ben Carson finally reach into our inner cities and start fixing things for real, we're going to witness the first utter destruction of a national party's viability (the Democratic party) since... what, the 1850s?

Hopefully he does what some think he will; I'm just not so sure how much power a president that steps "out side the normal bounds" actually has...

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Trump may have more pull than people would think.

I've been thinking that Trump was the tip of the spear of a military-backed revolt within the US power structure since last year and I first posted this here in February of this year, over two months before Trump even won the Republican nomination:


There has been a coup unfolding over the past couple of years at least between heads of the US military and the political establishment in the US. I think Trump represents a major political coup taking place. ...

My thinking is that the Pentagon is backing and protecting Trump to get him into office instead of another Clinton or Bush, who are mafia types working with an international finance, energy and business cartel.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1049392&viewfull=1#post1049392


When Trump said during his victory speech on election night that our work was really only beginning, he wasn't kidding. But he has powerful support, not least of which being all of the patriotic Americans in this country who would follow him into the pits of Hell and back. And unfortunately that may be exactly what we have to do, literally, to expose and bring down these satanic pedophiles like the Podestas and Clintons and Bushes.

This likely also has a lot to do with why Trump is appointing so many military figures, and I think that's great. There are no greater patriots, with no stronger backbones and guts, than our military patriots.


Btw, I've become such an information junkie during this last election cycle, I think I'm going to begin seriously investing and capitalizing on a lot of these trends I see playing out in advance. Bitcoin may be first on the list. :bigsmile:

[Whiskey_Mystic]

It looks like the end of the road for all the man-made "global warming" nonsense, oh wait I mean "climate change" since the warming suddenly isn't so obvious anymore and they had to change the terminology.

The term "Climate Change" was introduced by the Reagan administration because James Watt didn't like Reagan saying "Global Warming" in his speeches. Said it sounded too scary. I'm sure you remember James Watt. He's the genius who told us that trees cause more pollution than automobiles.

If you're going to say ridiculous things, at least be accurate.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Who introduces a term and how the media run with it, are two different things.

Btw I don't know what the context of Watt's statement was, but in fact deforestation does have a much greater impact in net carbon dioxide production on Earth than pollution does. If you remember back to biology class, trees and plants "breathe in" mostly carbon dioxide and "breathe out" oxygen. Liberals like to talk about these big terrible industries releasing carbon dioxide and warming the planet, so we regulate the hell out of them here and they all move to China and pollute even more, and they also like to blame cow farts, but even "climate change" scientists admit that deforestation has a much bigger impact on the atmosphere.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Who introduces a term and how the media run with it, are two different things.

So, are you saying that the liberal communist media are complicit in the global warming hoax perpetrated by China with the assistance of NASA? That's amazing!

And no, James Watt was talking about tree respiration, not deforestation. But thanks for the high school biology lesson. I don't know how we would get by without your help.

Keep up your excellent objective reporting!

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Who introduces a term and how the media run with it, are two different things.

So, are you saying that the liberal communist media are complicit in the global warming hoax perpetrated by China with the assistance of NASA? That's amazing!

Pretty much, yes, that's right. Also the UN. They pushed a lot of that research and Wikileaks caught them talking about fabricating data in emails. Remember?

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Outside of places like California and New York this is actually a fairly common view. If you talked to more people about it you'd probably hear about more things like this.


And no, James Watt was talking about tree respiration, not deforestation. But thanks for the high school biology lesson. I don't know how we would get by without your help.

Unless it's just another amazing "coincidence" that he happened to be talking about trees and carbon dioxide together, when in fact trees do have a major impact on carbon dioxide levels, I'd say he probably meant what I explained above and just bungled it because he didn't know what he was talking about. But the people trying to shut down all industry in the US under the pretext of global warming know even less about it.

[TargeT]

So, are you saying that the liberal media are complicit in the global warming hoax

If that's not exceedingly clear by now; I don't know what to say.

We have proof that the data was skewed, we have the "climate-gate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy)" situation with thousands of emails of corroboration. (so many gates these days... I wonder if that is meant to stand for the opening of access to truth or really just some Nixon area hang on..)plus, plain old common sense, I did some fun maths before on how much energy it would take to raise the worlds ocean 1 degree vs how much energy humans produce annually... we don't even come close to being significant ;)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Liberal communist media, remember. :)

Classical liberalism is along the lines of "my freedom ends where your freedom begins," ie we should be free to do whatever as long as it isn't hurting anyone else. And by "hurt" I don't mean hurting someone's feelings and making them cry by having a contrary opinion or stating facts like that you voted for Trump, because that is actually not against the law, though the modern-day neo-liberals seem to want it to be. And that's the difference today. They are pushing big nanny-state government just like socialist and communist countries have. Socialism is just communism that realizes it needs some capitalism to survive. Even communist China has had to establish capitalist zones to successfully compete in the world market.

Speaking of communist China, that's exactly who was leading the charge for global Internet censorship that the leftist media here immediately picked up and started parroting after Trump won the election. They want to stifle free speech just like in China. These elitists really do want communism. It's not just a cliché. That's why they're always so far up China's ass and covering for its many human rights violations, executing homosexuals and harvesting prisoners' organs and all the rest. I have talked to Chinese students about life in China and if the average American knew how Orwellian that society is they would recoil in horror from any of these Marxist philosophies that have been peddled in the US under Obama.

[turiya]

It looks like the end of the road for all the man-made "global warming" nonsense, oh wait I mean "climate change" since the warming suddenly isn't so obvious anymore and they had to change the terminology.

The term "Climate Change" was introduced by the Reagan administration because James Watt didn't like Reagan saying "Global Warming" in his speeches. Said it sounded too scary. I'm sure you remember James Watt. He's the genius who told us that trees cause more pollution than automobiles.

If you're going to say ridiculous things, at least be accurate.

Ronald Reagan was the 40th U.S. President.
The Reagan Presidency was from January 20, 1981 – January 20, 1989.

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[Arcturian108]

Maybe this Trey Smith video has been posted elsewhere on this thread or website, but now having watched it several times, I truly love it, and the way Trey Smith emotes during the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzuxTEq-plE

[norman]

So, are you saying that the liberal media are complicit in the global warming hoax

If that's not exceedingly clear by now; I don't know what to say.

We have proof that the data was skewed, we have the "climate-gate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy)" situation with thousands of emails of corroboration. (so many gates these days... I wonder if that is meant to stand for the opening of access to truth or really just some Nixon area hang on..)plus, plain old common sense, I did some fun maths before on how much energy it would take to raise the worlds ocean 1 degree vs how much energy humans produce annually... we don't even come close to being significant ;)

If they could put Hillary several points ahead in the run up to the election I'm sure they could put the climate change data on the skew too. The only 'scientists' getting their spin heard are the ones getting the grants. Who chooses which research to do? I could probably go out and look for road kill and come up with a nutty theory that there are more cats than their used to be because I find more squashed cats. Another person could do the same thing and come up a theory that there are more cars.

The temperature readings are superficially skewed by locations that have become urbanised since they started measuring. There are lots of opportunities to fiddle the data and I'm sure they don't miss any of them.

The MMR Vaccine data was fiddled by repeatedly going through it and removing categories until the troublesome data was not in it. The science of fiddling the statistics seems to be the only science getting done these days.

Even if the average temperature does shift a couple of degrees, Randal Carlson has shown ( from the Greenland ice cores ) that a couple of degrees is minuscule by comparison with what the long term record shows has been going on in the past. A human contribution to changes is highly likely but dwarfed next to other causes.

It's a political phenomenon and it'll take a political attitude to stop this nonsense. I'm only concerned that there may become a blatant disregard for pollution causing activities as the hoax of climate change is exposed. Pollution IS a serious matter.

[turiya]

Jeff & Joel go over Trump's picks... a concern regarding Mike Pompeo as CIA chief... the only one not given a 'trial balloon'... in favor of NSA spying... Mattis okay... not a globalist... Turkey can't Trust... Major deception going on... Israel - ISIS - U.S..... applaud Russia's work in Syria... Wonder how much Trump does know... skewed briefings... Gore... question about the information that establishment advisors are feeding Trump?... Cancelation of Boeing Air Force One 4 Billion Dollar contract... and more...


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(12/06/2016)
Hour 3 - Joel Skousen -
American Political Analysis

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Joel Skousen Website (https://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/)

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The Rense interview with Joel Skousen brings out something that should be of a concern for all Trump supporters & others... And that is his nomination of Rep. Michael Pompeo (R-Kan.) to head the CIA... attempts of researching the man reveals the following article...


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We Can Confront Torture Advocate Michael Pompeo (http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/40409-we-can-confront-torture-advocate-michael-pompeo)
By John Kiriakou, Reader Supported News
21 November 16

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Representative Mike Pompeo, a hawkish Republican from Kansas, rose to prominence during
the investigation into the 2012 attack on the American diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya
(photo: Drew Angerer/NYT)
President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Rep. Michael Pompeo (R-Kan.) sends a crystal clear message that Trump was telling the American people the truth when he said that he would bring back the torture program and do “a hell of a lot worse.” (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/donald-trump-waterboarding-republican-debate-torture) Pompeo himself said that CIA officers who engaged in torture “are not torturers (https://news.vice.com/story/trumps-cia-pick-says-officials-who-waterboard-are-patriots). They are patriots.” The only conclusion one can draw is that Trump intends to return the CIA to the dark days of the Bush administration. And this is despite the fact that torture is illegal under the Federal Torture Act (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-113C), the United Nations Conventions Against Torture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture), and the McCain-Feinstein Amendment (http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/faq-mccain-feinstein-anti-torture-ndaa-amendment).

Pompeo’s nomination was something of a surprise. Although he supported and endorsed Trump during the Republican primaries, he was not a player in the campaign, he is not one of the more prominent members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI), where he served only three years, and he was not among the names being circulated among “people in the know” in Washington for CIA Director. But Trump apparently likes West Point graduates, who are more likely to say, “Yes, sir” than they are to say, “Mr. President, let me tell you why that’s a bad idea.” Pompeo is a yes man with credentials. He graduated first in his class at the U.S. Military Academy, and then went to Harvard Law School before going into business and politics.

Pompeo also has towed the Tea Party line on national security issues since being elected to Congress in 2010. He called NSA whistleblower Ed Snowden “a traitor” and in an interview on C-SPAN (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/lawmaker-traitor-snowden-deserves-death-penalty/article/2583023) added, “he should be brought back from Russia and given due process, and I think the proper outcome would be that he would be given a death sentence.” Pompeo was a member of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, where he said that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had “failed to lead,” (http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/mike-pompeo-congressman-who-is-donald-trump-new-cia-director-kansas-wife-bio-age-nsa-tea-party-koch/) despite the fact that his committee’s leadership had found that the former secretary had done nothing wrong related to Benghazi. And he wants to keep the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay open, calling it “the right option for American security” (http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/mike-pompeo-congressman-who-is-donald-trump-new-cia-director-kansas-wife-bio-age-nsa-tea-party-koch/) and “an important asset that must remain open.” (http://pompeo.house.gov/issues/issue/?IssueID=56683) He said after a visit to Guantanamo (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Mike-Pompeo-Gitmo-Important-Asset-Stay-Open/2016/02/24/id/715889/) that he had seen the detainees there and that he wants them “right where they are.”

Further afield, Pompeo has said that he supports dragnet surveillance (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article56869248.html) against American citizens, including NSA interception of all U.S. metadata, voicemails, emails, and text messages. He wants this information housed along with “lifestyle information” (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/mike-pompeo-cia-trump-civil-liberties-231619) on Americans in a database that would be accessible to all U.S. law enforcement, something more akin to Orwell’s Big Brother than any other politician has put forth. He criticized his Congressional colleagues for rolling back some of NSA’s warrantless wiretapping programs in the aftermath of the Snowden disclosures, and added that the lone wolf attacks in San Bernardino in 2015 were a result of Congress not allowing NSA to do its job. Pompeo apparently has never commented publicly on the civil liberties and legal questions at play when a U.S. intelligence agency spies on American citizens.

So what can be done about a far-right activist CIA director serving a far-right president and being overseen by far-right Congressional committees? For us average citizens, not much, unfortunately.

But there are some things we can do. We can write our members of Congress and demand that they hold the CIA and its new director to both the letter and the spirit of the law. Torture is illegal. That isn’t going to change. If the CIA engages in torture, its leadership must be brought to task. If the Justice Department won’t file charges against torturers and those who order the torture, then maybe foreign courts will, just like Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Augusto_Pinochet), who filed charges of human rights violations against former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet. We can write, speak out, and march against human rights and legal violations. We can initiate direct actions. And perhaps most importantly, if we have standing, we can sue, bog the CIA down in litigation, and force as much of the information as possible into the glare of the public spotlight.

Pompeo’s nomination is a bad thing. But it’s not the end of the world. We just have to be ready for a fight.

John Kiriakou is a former CIA counterterrorism officer and a former senior investigator with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. John became the sixth whistleblower indicted by the Obama administration under the Espionage Act - a law designed to punish spies. He served 23 months in prison as a result of his attempts to oppose the Bush administration's torture program.

Reader Supported News is the Publication of Origin for this work. Permission to republish is freely granted with credit and a link back to Reader Supported News.

SOURCE (http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/40409-we-can-confront-torture-advocate-michael-pompeo)

[T Smith]

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/806587918504509440

@ABCPolitics

.@RepCummings: "Overwhelming evidence" Russia interfered with 2016 election

Overwhelming evidence? What is it? What evidence? Let's see it. Please. Deliver. Because you say it's so does not make it so.

Let's boil this down, shall we? If there were even the slightest possibility Russia (or any other foreign agent) interfered with the election which resulted in as much as one vote every statist propaganda arm would be screaming from the rooftops (and beating us over the heads with proof) and the established power structure would be contesting the election and overturning it by default, regardless who was screaming and hollering foul.

Translation: there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, anywhere, that Russia had anything to do with the results of this election. Not even plausible speculation. If I'm mistaken by this assessment, by all means, deliver the evidence.

That anyone has the audacity to push this outrageous narrative is nothing short of embarrassing.

[turiya]

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/806587918504509440

@ABCPolitics

.@RepCummings: "Overwhelming evidence" Russia interfered with 2016 election

Overwhelming evidence? What is it? What evidence? Let's see it. Please. Deliver. Because you say it's so does not make it so.

Let's boil this down, shall we? If there were even the slightest possibility Russia (or any other foreign agent) interfered with the election which resulted in as much as one vote every statist propaganda arm would be screaming from the rooftops (and beating us over the heads with proof) and the established power structure would be contesting the election and overturning it by default, regardless who was screaming and hollering foul.

Translation: there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever, anywhere, that Russia had anything to do with the results of this election. Not even plausible speculation. If I'm mistaken by this assessment, by all means, deliver the evidence.

That anyone has the audacity to push this outrageous narrative is nothing short of embarrassing.


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Good Riddance: James Clapper Resigns
as Director of US Intelligence
(http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/19/good-riddance-james-clapper-resigns-as-director-of-us-intelligence/)
November 19, 2016 By 21wire

21st Century Wire (http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/19/good-riddance-james-clapper-resigns-as-director-of-us-intelligence/) says…
Like CIA Director John Brennan, a large part of the job of James Clapper, National Intelligence Director, was to lie to the American people and to continually exaggerate certain ‘threats,’ while trying to conceal real problems – most of which are created by US federal agencies. Like the CIA, this post has become a political one, and a government propaganda mouth piece for the deep state and all its domestic clandestine designs.

When asked in 2013 by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR), “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” – Clapper’s reponse was, “No sir.”

This was a flat out lie, under oath (which seemed to be the norm for all testimonies under 8 years of Obama).

Chief among James Clapper’s propaganda campaigns directed at the American people – was the greatest politically motivated phony talking point to date: that Russia and its president Vladimir Putin were somehow “hacking” US Elections, while offering no evidence whatsoever to back up this alleged claim by the “intelligence community,” that irresponsible talking point was spun far out of control and probably set back US-Russian relations years. Clapper claimed that leaked emails posted on WikiLeaks, DCLeaks.com and Guccifer 2.0, were ‘identified as being associated with Russian intelligence’ – even though most of the sober world has come to realize this grand conspiracy theory more than likely originated within the White House and the DNC itself. In a just world, this howler would be a black mark against the credibility of Clapper for the rest of his paid speaking and lucrative conference junket career, but alas, it’s not a just world – Clapper will continue to cash in regardless. Maybe that was the intention.

There are a number of other things that Clapper said, and did, during his tenure, too many to mention here. More from Adam Garrie… Adam Garrie: The Duran (http://theduran.com/james-clapper-quits-as-director-of-us-intelligence/)

In a first major resignation since Donald Trump’s electoral victory, the US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper quit his post.

US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has just announced his resignation. This was the man who presided over the US government spying on its citizens and those throughout the world. This scandal was one whose existence Clapper denied, in spite of plain and clear evidence to the contrary.

Edward Snowed had exposed numerous constitutional violations during Clapper’s reign. This man’s exit from the Bush-created position of Director of National Intelligence should be welcomed by everyone who opposes the surveillance state.

It has been under Clapper that the government has been cut free of any checks and balances on its use of technology to violate the privacy of ordinary individuals, yet individuals of extraordinary conscience who blow the whistle on the illegal covert activities of government are prosecuted, victimized, and threatened with execution. I’m referring specifically to Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

Clapper said that he is happy to resign. I personally share in this happiness as will many others. The timing of his resignation, which will be effective in 64 days, is a clear indication that he does not see eye to eye with his incoming boss, Donald Trump.

If Clapper is replaced by someone guided by conscience rather than someone who uses George Orwell’s 1984 as a handbook rather than a warning, it could well pave the way for the pardon of Manning, Assange and Snowden.

One can only hope that Donald Trump does the right thing. (http://theduran.com/does-trump-presidency-pave-way-for-assange-pardon/)

SOURCE (http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/19/good-riddance-james-clapper-resigns-as-director-of-us-intelligence/)


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NYT Leads With Russia Hack Conspiracy-
–Despite ‘No Evidence’ (in Next-to-Last Paragraph) (http://fair.org/home/nyt-leads-with-russia-hack-conspiracy-despite-no-evidence-in-next-to-last-paragraph/)
By Ben Norton
The New York Times (7/29/16 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/politics/clinton-campaign-hacked-russians.html?_r=0)) has published another article peddling the conspiracy (http://fair.org/home/with-dnc-leaks-former-conspiracy-theory-is-now-true-and-no-big-deal/) that the Russian government is manipulating the US election in order to hurt Hillary Clinton.

This one appeared on the front page of the US newspaper of record, under the hyperbolic headline “Russian Spies Said to Hack Clinton’s Bid”:


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It is not until the 20th paragraph of the 21-paragraph article, on page A13 in the print edition, that the Times reveals a crucial point of clarification: Clinton “campaign officials acknowledge that they have no evidence” that Russian President Vladimir Putin is trying to tilt the election to Donald Trump.


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The 11th-hour detail might send readers, scratching their heads, back to the beginning.

“Clinton campaign officials have suggested that Russia might be trying to sway the outcome of the election,” Times reporter Eric Lichtblau writes in the second paragraph. Here, one would think, would have been the place to mention that those officials have no evidence for their claim.

Instead this fact in consigned to the penultimate paragraph—a lonely wilderness where the vast majority (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/06/how_people_read_online_why_you_won_t_finish_this_article.html) of readers don’t tread (http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2013/06/how_people_read_online_why_you_won_t_finish_this_article.html)—of a piece filled with weasel words and caveats like “said to,” “appears to,” “apparently,” etc. The headline of the digital version has two: “Computer Systems Used by Clinton Campaign Are Said to Be Hacked, Apparently by Russians.”


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In the article, the only sources cited by the New York Times—which endorsed Clinton for president (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/opinion/sunday/hillary-clinton-endorsement.html)—are officials who work for the US government, the DNC and the Clinton campaign.

The most important source, whose claims form the crux of the story, is an anonymous federal law enforcement official who is allegedly involved in the forensic investigation and who says the hack is connected to Russia’s military intelligence service, the GRU.

The FBI, on the other hand, was much more prudent in apportioning blame. The agency told the newspaper that the hacks involved “multiple political entities” whose identities the FBI did not reveal. The agency also said it is aware of the media reports blaming Russia “and is working to determine the accuracy, nature and scope of these matters.”

CIA Director John Brennan likewise refused to comment on the accusations. That is to say, neither the FBI nor the CIA is on board, at least publicly.

That the Times‘ ostensible scoop is based on a single anonymous federal law enforcement official and the admittedly evidence-free accusations of Clinton campaign officials is of a piece with the paper’s evident keenness to promote a tale of Russian cloaks and daggers, even when the plot thins.

Articles like “DNC Hack Raises a Frightening Question: What’s Next?” (7/30/16) (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/europe/dnc-hack-russia.html), premised on the time-honored notion of “frightening if true,” trade merrily in Cold War cliches, accompanied by gloomy photos of Moscow’s Red Square.


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“There is a Russian word for this practice: ‘kompromat,'” the Times explains, introducing readers to the presumably exotic idea:

A portmanteau of the Russian words for “compromising” and “material,” it refers to the timeworn tradition of obtaining information and using it to smear or influence public officials. Unscrupulous Russian politicians have been doing it for decades.

“The Chinese and Russians are used to these tactics to settle political and business rivalries,” it seems, but the DNC hack suggests they may be “exporting kompromat abroad.”

In the July 29 piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/politics/clinton-campaign-hacked-russians.html), uncertainty is acknowledged. “It is unclear whether the break-in was fairly routine espionage or part of an effort to manipulate the election,” and “it is unclear whether the reported breaches…were part of a single coordinated attack or a series of attacks,” Lichtblau concedes. But this doesn’t seem to undermine a general idea that something insidious involving Russia is very clear indeed.

Even if it doesn’t really add up: The article seems to contradict itself, claiming that the GRU was also implicated in the hack of the Democratic National Committee that led to the leak of its opposition research on Trump. In other words, the piece suggests that Russia hacked the Clinton campaign’s computers in order to hurt her, yet it simultaneously admits that these same supposed “Russian” hackers leaked DNC opposition research that hurt Trump. Which is it?

It may not matter, given the endless fungibility of this useful storyline. In a July 30 piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/31/us/politics/us-wrestles-with-how-to-fight-back-against-cyberattacks.html), “US Wrestles With How to Fight Back Against Cyberattacks,” readers are given the usual murk about how “the administration has stopped short of publicly accusing the Russian government of President Vladimir V. Putin.”

But we are also told “private investigators have identified the suspects, and American intelligence agencies have told the White House that they have ‘high confidence‘ (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/us/politics/clinton-campaign-hacked-russians.html) that the Russian government was responsible.” And another caveat: “less certain is who is behind the selective leaks of the material, and whether they have a clear political objective.”

The Times then concedes:

Even if officials gather the proof, they may not be able to make their evidence public without tipping off Russia, or its proxies in cyberspace, about how deeply the National Security Agency has penetrated that country’s networks.

In other words, that absence of proof should stand as proof. Clear enough?

SOURCE (http://fair.org/home/nyt-leads-with-russia-hack-conspiracy-despite-no-evidence-in-next-to-last-paragraph/)

[Ewan]

https://twitter.com/abcpolitics/status/806587918504509440

@ABCPolitics

.@RepCummings: "Overwhelming evidence" Russia interfered with 2016 election


Rep Elijah E. Cummings - Letting it Sink In...

___________________________________


Washington Post Appends
“Russian Propaganda Fake News” Story,
Admits It May Be Fake (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/washington-post-apends-russian-propaganda-story-admits-it-may-be-fake)

-->snip<--



Oops, looking back at my post I should have at least put in a 'rollseyes' smiley or similar. I read (and listened to) it with mouth hanging open in disbelief. :)

[onawah]

CLINTON FOUNDATION EX-CEO STILL MISSING, AFTER 47 DAYS
http://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/clinton-foundation-ex-ceo-still-missing-after-47-days/
Y1ONo-6xs8M

Former CEO of the Clinton Foundation, Eric Braverman has gone missing for over 46 days. His last tweet was on October 12, 2016.

Braverman was hired by Chelsea Clinton to “clean house” when she noticed highly irregular activities on the part of her parents was resented by the criminals installed there.

This video details the complex arms deals orchestrated, in part by Hillary Clinton, that helped to arm ISIS via Libya/">Libya, in a triangle of guns, oil and drugs.

Braverman became a target of John Podesta and he apparently knew that his life was at risk, so he resigned. He never showed up for his new post as a professor at Yale University.

It was reported widely in the Alternative Media almost 2 months ago that Braverman has unsuccessfuly sought asylum in Russia but this story disappeared as utterly as he did.

This report from investmentwatchblog.com claims that Braverman is actually in Protective Custody with the FBI, in exchange for testimony against Clinton.

Marc Turi, the Phoenix, AZ-based arms dealer also saw himself being set-up by the Clintons to take the fall and he went to FoxNews with the story but soon disappeared and is currently presumed dead.

George Webb is doing a great job of staying on this story, by poring over the WikiLeaks emails to find clues as to the whereabouts of Clinton Foundation CEO, Eric Braverman, who’s been missing for 47 days at the time of this writing. Arizona arms dealer, also involved in this enormous racketeering scheme has also gone missing for about as long.

Taking Braverman’s tip to “Follow the money,” Webb is discovering a gigantic money-making machine, based on drug money, used to buy embargoed oil, to then sell it on the stock market and then you buy weapons and give them to your “friends” to invade a country.

Webb shows how Afghan heroin money is being used to invest in an operation to purchase and ship embargoed Syrian oil to Turkey by Prime Minister Erdogan’s son, Bilal, to then be re-sold on the market with the massive profits being “donated”/laundered through the Clinton Foundation.

Other key players include the CIA’s Mike Morrell, large US defense contractors, Saudi Arabia, Oman, the UAE, with Philippe Reines as the key fixer for the arms deals. The head-spinning corruption doesn’t stop there – you’ve got to watch this!

This story deserves MUCH more exposure!

[turiya]

Greg covers the MSM Time magazine new cover to their magazine... an ever more telling sign that DJT is indeed the foretold coming of the 'Gray Champion'...


Greg Hunter Weekly News Wrap-Up 12.09.16
(Published on Dec 8, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AXrMhN0fuU___________________________________

SR #1388 – Be Careful President Trump
(Published on Dec 8, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUE9BCakEWg

[A Voice from the Mountains]

South Korea's president has also become embroiled in a controversy involved occult rituals taking place in their presidential mansion:

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/ad_224946125.jpg


South Korean president denies being controlled by cult

Adding to an already quite bizarre week in South Korea, the country’s president has now firmly denied letting a cult run the country.

In case you missed it, Park Geun-hye has been accused of giving a Shamanistic cult leader inappropriately close access to government documents and policy making.

She is even said to have allowed cult rituals to be held in the presidential palace, the Blue House.

The weird scandal, naturally, blew up in the country. Park has not resigned, but has agreed to be questioned over the situation.

However she maintains that Choi Soon-sil is not a cult leader, but just a close friend.

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/ad_224868972-e1478252108497.jpg

‘There have been claims that I fell for a religious cult or had [Shamanist rituals] performed in the Blue House, but I would like to clarify that those are absolutely not true,’ she said in a TV broadcast.

Choi is the daughter of the late Choi Tae-min, a shadowy ‘religious figure’ who many say was a more of a cult leader.

Park added that she had ‘put too much faith in a personal relationship and didn’t look carefully at what was happening’.

The accusations have already caused Park’s approval rating to plummet to just 5%, and have caused scuffles in central Seoul between police and demonstrators calling for her resignation.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/04/south-korean-president-denies-being-controlled-by-cult-6234175/

[turiya]

Speaking of Cults...
From the Infowars Comments Section: "Michael Moore is more & more looking like Jabba the Hud!"...


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Michael Moore Warns
"Something Crazy Could Happen
To Stop Trump Becoming President" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-09/michael-moore-warns-something-crazy-could-happen-stop-trump-becoming-president)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 9, 2016 4:15 PM
Submitted by Paul Joseph Watson via InfoWars.com, (http://www.infowars.com/michael-moore-something-crazy-could-happen-to-stop-trump-becoming-president/)

Film maker Michael Moore, who correctly predicted that Trump would win Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Pennsylvania, is now predicting that something “crazy” could happen to stop Trump from being sworn in as president on January 20.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qfbC19_wn4
Appearing on Late Night With Seth Myers, Moore continually emphasized the point that Hillary won the popular vote, using that reasoning to argue that Trump’s presidency was illegitimate.

“He’s not president of the United States yet, he’s not president ‘til noon on January 20th of 2017,” said Moore as the liberal audience applauded.

“That’s more than six weeks away. Would you not agree, regardless what side of the political fence you’re on, this has been the craziest election year. Nothing anyone predicted has happened — the opposite has happened. So is it possible, just possible, that in these next six weeks, something else might happen — something crazy, something we’re not expecting?” added Moore.

Moore alluded to the potential for members of the electoral college to change their vote, but this is such a long shot it has virtually no chance of overturning the election result.

The only other avenue would be massive vote fraud being uncovered by Jill Stein’s recount, but this hasn’t happened and her efforts have basically flat lined at this point.

So what else could Moore be alluding to apart from some form of violent action to physically prevent Trump from taking the White House?

For the entire election cycle, the mainstream media has legitimized violence against Trump by hysterically pushing the idea that he represents a fundamental danger to the country and the world.

Violence at Trump rallies – proven to be bankrolled by the DNC (http://www.projectveritasaction.com/video/rigging-election-video-i-clinton-campaign-and-dnc-incite-violence-trump-rallies) – was also completely mischaracterized by the media and blamed on Trump.

An environment has been created that encourages crazed left-wing agitators to try and make themselves into martyrs by attempting to take Trump’s life before he can become president.

One assassination attempt was prevented when a British man tried to grab an officer’s gun (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/british-man-indicted-for-trying-to-assassinate-donald-trump-at-rally-a7110351.html) at a Trump rally in Las Vegas and shoot the president-elect, a story that media hardly reported on.

If and when the next assassination attempt happens, and we can only hope it doesn’t, huge swathes of the far-left are so full of hatred and intolerance that they will celebrate Trump’s death like it’s the equivalent of Mussolini being executed.

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-09/michael-moore-warns-something-crazy-could-happen-stop-trump-becoming-president)

[turiya]

The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/")

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Has The Trumpian Revolution Begun? (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/12/09/has-the-trumpian-revolution-begun/)
Posted on December 9, 2016
Guest Post by Patrick J. Buchanan (http://buchanan.org/blog/trumpian-revolution-begun-126120)


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The wailing and keening over the choice of Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt (http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Scott_Pruitt_15.jpg) to head the EPA appears to be a lead indicator of a coming revolution far beyond Reagan’s.

“Trump Taps Climate Skeptic For Top Environmental Post,” said The Wall Street Journal. “Climate Change Denial,” bawled a disbelieving New York Times, which urged the Senate to put Pruitt in a “dust bin.”

Clearly, though his victory was narrow, Donald Trump remains contemptuous of political correctness and defiant of liberal ideology.

For environmentalism, as conservative scholar Robert Nisbet wrote in 1982, is more than the “most important social movement” of the 20th century. It is a militant and dogmatic faith that burns heretics.

“Environmentalism is well on its way to becoming the third great wave of redemptive struggle in Western history,” wrote Nisbet, “the first being Christianity, the second modern socialism.” In picking a “climate denier” to head EPA, Trump is rejecting revealed truth.

In 1950, literary critic Lionel Trilling wrote, “In the United States at this time liberalism is not only the dominant but even the sole intellectual tradition. For it is the plain fact that nowadays there are no conservative or reactionary ideas in general circulation.”

The rise of the conservative movement of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan revealed liberalism’s hour to be but a passing moment. Yet, today, something far beyond conservatism seems to be afoot.

As Hegel taught, in the dialectic of history the thesis calls into existence the antithesis. What we seem to be seeing is a rejection, and a counterreformation against the views and values that came out of the social and political revolutions of the 1960s.

Consider the settled doctrine Trump disrespected with Pruitt.

We have long been instructed that climate change is real, that its cause is man-made, that it imperils the planet with rising seas, hurricanes and storms, that all nations have a duty to curb the release of carbon dioxide to save the world for future generations.

This is said to be “scientific truth,” and “climate deniers” are like people who believe the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it. Some hold the matter to be so grave that climate deniers should be censored for promoting socially destructive falsehoods.

Yet, the people remain skeptical.

Their worry is not that the rising waters of the Med will swamp the Riviera, but that tens of millions of Arabs, Muslims and Africans may be coming across to swamp Europe, and that millions of Mexicans may cross the Rio Grande to swamp the USA.

Call them climate deniers or climate skeptics, but they see the establishment as running the Big Con to effect a transfer of wealth and power away from the people — and to themselves.

Across the West, establishments have lost credibility.

The proliferation of minority parties, tearing off pieces of the traditional ruling parties, points to a growing distrust in ruling regimes and a return to identifying with the nation and tribe whence one came.

A concomitant of this is a growing disbelief in egalitarianism and in the equality of all races, creeds, nations, cultures and peoples.

The Supreme Court may say all religions are equal and all must be treated equally. But do Americans believe Christianity and Islam are equal? How could they, when Christians claim their faith has as its founder the Son of God and God himself?

After calling for a ban on Muslim immigration, Trump was elected president. After inviting a million refugees from Syria’s civil war into Germany, Chancellor Angela Merkel admits having made a mistake and is now in favor of letting German cities and towns decide if women should be allowed to wear burqas.

A sea change in thought is taking place in the West.

Liberalism appears to be a dying faith. America’s elites may still preach their trinity of values: diversity, democracy, equality. But the majorities in America and Europe are demanding that the borders be secured and Third World immigrants kept out.

The next president disbelieves in free trade. He wants a border wall. He questions the wisdom of our Mideast wars and the need for NATO. He is contemptuous of democratist dogma that how other nations rule themselves is our business. He rejects transnationalism and globalism.

“There is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate of global citizenship,” said Trump in Cincinnati, “We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag. From now on, it’s going to be America first. … We’re going to put ourselves first.”

That’s not Adlai Stevenson or Jimmy Carter or Barack Obama.

Nothing seems settled or certain. All is in flux. But change is coming. “Things are in the saddle, and ride mankind.”

SOURCE (http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/has-the-trumpian-revolution-begun/)

[KiwiElf]

Further to the Air Force One debacle, is the USS Zumwalt destroyer (same cost btw: $4 billion, to put that in perspective...)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt

But even more insane is the fact that The USS Zumwalt Can't Fire Its Guns Because the Ammo Is Too Expensive!

At $800,000 a round, the ammunition is simply too expensive for the Navy to afford.

"According to Defense News, the LRLAP round costs $800,000—or more—each, making the rounds prohibitively expensive. The Navy blames the rise in cost on the fact that the Zumwalt class went from a planned 32 ships to just 3, drastically cutting the number of LRLAP rounds it was going to purchase."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a23738/uss-zumwalt-ammo-too-expensive/

And in knowing that, they even let this turkey be built? The F-35 of the Navy! :facepalm:

[turiya]

More Recent Trump Tweets....

Perhaps Rudy had listened to the Jeff Rense interview with Joel Skousen in Post #1426 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1119117&viewfull=1#post1119117) - Its an open secret - Rudy is a cross-dresser...







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.@RudyGiuliani (https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani), one of the finest people I know and a former GREAT Mayor of N.Y.C., just took himself out of consideration for "State".

3:19 AM - 10 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807545243608420352)



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Reports by @CNN that I will be working on The Apprentice during my Presidency, even part time, are ridiculous & untrue - FAKE NEWS!

6:11 AM - 10 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807588632877998081)



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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807589280071684096)
A very interesting read. Unfortunately, so much is true.

6:14 AM - 10 Dec 2016



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Pentagon buries evidence of $125 billion in bureaucratic waste

The military feared that Congress would use the confidential data as an excuse to slash defense spending.
Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/pentagon-buries-evidence-of-125-billion-in-bureaucratic-waste/2016/12/05/e0668c76-9af6-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html?utm_term=.60ff521394ae)

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807589280071684096)

[Bob]

Looks like Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson shortly to be retired from Exxon is Donald Trump’s choice as secretary of state; Tillerson has great relationships with Putin. Just wondering if building up such a strong relationship with Russia (as an ally), means China could be in the sights.. more so than just removal from most favored nation trade status (https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal96-1092700)..

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-09/giuliani-withdraws-as-candidate-for-trump-s-secretary-of-state

[turiya]

Looks like Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson shortly to be retired from Exxon is Donald Trump’s choice as secretary of state; Tillerson has great relationships with Putin. Just wondering if building up such a strong relationship with Russia (as an ally), means China could be in the sights.. more so than just removal from most favored nation trade status (https://library.cqpress.com/cqalmanac/document.php?id=cqal96-1092700)..

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-12-09/giuliani-withdraws-as-candidate-for-trump-s-secretary-of-state

Hey Bob.

Yes, I've noticed all the MSM news outlets have been putting this out... Just to make a shorlist:

SEARCH: (https://www.google.com/#q=%22Donald+Trump%22+Tillerson+%22Secretary+of+State%22&start=20)


ABC News
NYTimes
Washington Post
Reuters
The Hill
Independent.co.uk
CBSnews.com
Fortune.com
Washington Times
Huffingtonpost.com
CNN.com
CNBC.com
The Daily Beast
Politico
Telegraph.co.uk
Mother Jones
Yahoo News
Fox News
And, even Breitbart is taking the bait.

And, on most of these news sites: It All Keeps Coming Back To Russia...

One thing I've learned through this previous election process concerning MSM... and that is: Don't believe in what the Main Stream Media is saying. Trump will make the announcement when its time... He'll be on Fox News on Sunday with Chris Wallace. So, if there was any news outlet he would be announcing this on, it would be Fox News. Aside from Megyn Kelly, FOX News has treated him with the most respect.

I could be wrong, but my own source says that this will not be the case.
Trump could very well be, once again, just showing how wrong the MSM can be, that is just IMO.
We shall see how it all is going to unfold...

[turiya]

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A "Soft Coup" Attempt:
Furious Trump Slams "Secret" CIA Report
Russia Helped Him Win (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/soft-coup-attempt-imminent-furious-trump-slams-secret-cia-report-russia-helped-him-w)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 10, 2016 9:11 AM
Overnight the media propaganda wars escalated after the late Friday release of an article by the Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.a5179dd9483e) (which last week admitted to using unverified, or fake, news (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-07/washington-post-apends-russian-propaganda-story-admits-it-may-be-fake) in an attempt to smear other so-called "fake news" sites) according to which a secret CIA assessment found that Russia sought to tip last month’s U.S. presidential election in Donald Trump’s favor, a conclusion presented without any actual evidence, and which drew an extraordinary, and angry rebuke from the president-elect’s camp.

“These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction,” Trump’s transition team said, launching a broadside against the spy agency. “The election ended a long time ago in one of the biggest Electoral College victories in history. It’s now time to move on and ‘Make America Great Again.’ ”

The Washington Post report comes after outgoing President Barack Obama ordered a review of all cyberattacks that took place during the 2016 election cycle (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-09/obama-orders-intelligence-community-conduct-full-review-2016-election-cybersecurity), amid growing calls from Congress for more information on the extent of Russian interference in the campaign. The newspaper cited officials briefed on the matter as saying that individuals with connections to Moscow provided WikiLeaks with email hacked from the Democratic National Committee, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign chief and others.


CIA Secret Assessment: Russia Tried to
Help Trump Win 2016 Election
(Published on Dec 9, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MwQm6zt6Dk
Without a shred of evidence provided, and despite Wikileaks' own on the record denial that the source of the emails was Russian, the WaPo attack piece claims the email messages were steadily leaked out via WikiLeaks in the months before the election, damaging Clinton’s White House run. Essentially, according to the WaPo, the Russians’ aim was to help Donald Trump win and not just undermine the U.S. electoral process, hinting at a counter-Hillary intent on the side of Putin.

“It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” the newspaper quoted a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation last week to key senators as saying. “That’s the consensus view.”

CIA agents told the lawmakers it was “quite clear” - although it was not reported exactly what made it "clear" - that electing Trump was Russia’s goal, according to officials who spoke to the Post, citing growing evidence from multiple sources.

And yet, key questions remain unanswered, and the CIA’s report fell short of being a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies the newspaper said, for two reasons. As we reported in November "The "Fact" That 17 Intelligence Agencies Confirmed Russia is Behind the Email Hacks Isn’t Actually…A "Fact" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-20/fact-17-intelligence-agencies-confirmed-russia-behind-email-hacks-isn%E2%80%99t-actually%E2%80%A6a-f), and then also because aside from so-called "consensus", there is - once again - no evidence, otherwise the appropriate agencies would have long since released it, and this is nothing more than another propaganda attempt to build tension with Russia. In fact, the WaPo admits as much in the following text, which effectively destroys the article's entire argument :

The CIA presentation to senators about Russia’s intentions fell short of a formal U.S. assessment produced by all 17 intelligence agencies. A senior U.S. official said there were minor disagreements among intelligence officials about the agency’s assessment, in part because some questions remain unanswered.

For example, intelligence agencies do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin “directing” the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks, a second senior U.S. official said. Those actors, according to the official, were “one step” removed from the Russian government, rather than government employees. Moscow has in the past used middlemen to participate in sensitive intelligence operations so it has plausible deniability.

* * *

“I’ll be the first one to come out and point at Russia if there’s clear evidence, but there is no clear evidence — even now,” said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. “There’s a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.”

And since even the WaPo is forced to admit that intelligence agents don’t have the proof that Russian officials directed the identified individuals to supply WikiLeaks with the hacked Democratic emails, the best it can do is speculate based on circumstantial inferences, especially since, as noted above, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has denied links with Russia’s government (https://www.rt.com/news/365164-assange-interview-wikileaks-russia/), putting the burden of proof on the side of those who challenge the Wikileaks narrative. So far that proof has not been provided.

Nonetheless, at the White House, Deputy Press Secretary Eric Schultz said Obama called for the cyberattacks review earlier this week to ensure “the integrity of our elections.”

“This report will dig into this pattern of malicious cyberactivity timed to our elections, take stock of our defensive capabilities and capture lessons learned to make sure that we brief members of Congress and stakeholders as appropriate,” Schultz said.

Taking the absurdity to a whole new level, Obama wants the report completed before his term ends on January 20, by none other than a proven and confirmed liar: "The review will be led by James Clapper, the outgoing director of national intelligence, officials said." In other words, the report that the Kremlin stole the election should be prepared by the time Trump is expected to be sworn in.

“We are going to make public as much as we can,” the spokesman added. “This is a major priority for the president.”

The move comes after Democrats in Congress pressed the White House to reveal details, to Congress or to the public, of Russian hacking and disinformation in the election.

On Oct. 7, one month before the election, the Department of Homeland Security and the Director of National Intelligence announced that “the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations.” “These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process,” they said.

Trump dismissed those findings in an interview published Wednesday by Time magazine for its “Person of the Year” award. Asked if the intelligence was politicized, Trump answered: “I think so.”

“I don’t believe they interfered,” he said. “It could be Russia. And it could be China. And it could be some guy in his home in New Jersey.”

Worried that Trump will sweep the issue under the rug after his inauguration, seven Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee called on Nov. 29 for the White House to declassify what it knows about Russian interference. The seven have already been briefed on the classified details, suggesting they believe there is more information the public should know. On Tuesday this week, leading House Democrats called on Obama to give members of the entire Congress a classified briefing on Russian interference, from hacking to the spreading of fake news stories to mislead U.S. voters.

Republicans in Congress have also promised hearings into Russian activities once the new administration comes in.

Obama’s homeland security adviser Lisa Monaco said the cyberinterference goes back to the 2008 presidential race, when both the Obama and John McCain campaigns were hit by malicious computer intrusions.

* * *

An interesting aside to emerge from last night's hit piece and the Trump team response is that there is now a full blown turf war between Trump and the CIA, as NBC's Chuck Todd observed in a series of late Friday tweets: (click link)

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/651730729567670272/y0E9jgm5_bigger.jpg Chuck Todd ✔ Tweets:



The implication in the Trump transition statement
is that he doesn't believe a single thing from the CIA.

Is the next Commander-in-Chief is signaling that the
CIA won't be a major player in his national security team?

So stunned by the Trump transition statement on the Post-CIA-Russia
story that I half expect a walk back by tomorrow

How helpful is it for the CIA's reputation around the world
if the next US questions their findings so publicly?
Good luck Mike Pompeo

To which Glenn Greenwald provided the best counterargument:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/659383028771364869/G9HHnjiI_bigger.jpg Glenn Greenwald ✔ Tweets:



Yes, the CIA's sterling reputation around the world for
truth-telling and integrity might be sullied if
someone doubts their claims...
https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/807429596303990784 …




When is it hardest to get people not to blindly accept
anonymous, evidence-free CIA claims?
When it's very pleasing to believe them.

However, of the mini Tweetstorm, this was the most important aspect: the veiled suggestion that in addition to Russia, both the FBI and the Obama presidency prevented Hillary from becoming the next US president...

http://bbk12e1-cdn.myschoolcdn.com/ftpimages/416/list/thumb_list81547_16922.jpg Franklin Foer @FranklinFoer ✔ Tweets:



While Obama's FBI director smeared Hillary,
Obama sat on evidence of Russian efforts
to elect Trump that had basis in evidence.

... which in light of these stunning new unproven and baseless allegations, she may very well have renewed aspirations toward.

* * *

So while there is no "there" there following the WaPo's latest attempt to fan the rarging fires of evidence-free propaganda, or as the WaPo itself would say "fake news", here is why the story has dramatic implications. First, the only two quotes which matter:

"...there is no clear evidence — even now,” said Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a member of the Trump transition team. “There’s a lot of innuendo, lots of circumstantial evidence, that’s it.”

* * *

"...Obama wants the report before he leaves office Jan. 20, Monaco said. The review will be led by [PROVEN LIAR] James Clapper, the outgoing director of national intelligence, officials said."

And then the summary:

1. Announce "consensus" (not unanimous) "conclusion" based in circumstantial evidence now, before the Electoral College vote, then write a report with actual details due by Jan 20.
2. Put a proven liar in charge of writing the report on Russian hacking.
3. Fail to mention that not one of the leaked DNC or Podesta emails has been shown to be inauthentic. So the supposed Russian hacking simply revealed truth about Hillary, DNC, and MSM collusion and corruption.
4. Fail to mention that if hacking was done by or for US government to stop Hillary, blaming the Russians would be the most likely disinformation used by US agencies.
5. Expect every pro-Hillary lapdog journalist - which is virtually all of them - in America will hyperventilate (Twitter is currently on fire) about this latest fact-free, anti-Trump political stunt for the next nine days.

Or, as a reader put it, this is a soft coup attempt by leaders of Intel community and Obama Admin to influence the Electoral College vote, similar to the 1960s novel "Seven Days in May." (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May)

SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-10/soft-coup-attempt-imminent-furious-trump-slams-secret-cia-report-russia-helped-him-w)

[Bob]

Excellent Post Turiya :) well well done.

[KiwiElf]

Yessss... as can be predicted - Kiwi MSM is pedalling "The Russians interfered with the election to get Trump in" meme.
You won't believe how aggressively divided Kiwi's are on the topic either! ;)

[Chester]

Be Warned - this may actually be "True News"

BREAKING: Louisiana Gives Republican John Kennedy Last Senate Seat of 2016 (http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/12/10/breaking-louisiana-gives-republican-john-kennedy-last-senate-race-2016/)

[TargeT]

You won't believe how aggressively divided Kiwi's are on the topic either! ;)

IMO.... it's the entirety of the western media world that is divided like that.

and that... that alone, is pretty interesting; I do not think it has been quite like htis before.. though I haven't checked.

[norman]

You won't believe how aggressively divided Kiwi's are on the topic either! ;)

IMO.... it's the entirety of the western media world that is divided like that.

and that... that alone, is pretty interesting; I do not think it has been quite like htis before.. though I haven't checked.


It's probably a perfect time to go to the next level with "disclosure". If this opportunity isn't grabbed, when ?

[KiwiElf]

You won't believe how aggressively divided Kiwi's are on the topic either! ;)

IMO.... it's the entirety of the western media world that is divided like that.

and that... that alone, is pretty interesting; I do not think it has been quite like htis before.. though I haven't checked.


It's probably a perfect time to go to the next level with "disclosure". If this opportunity isn't grabbed, when ?

I agree TargeT & Norman - the change or shift - whatever you want to call it - appears to be primarily affecting Westernised countries atm, and inevitably will have a ripple-down affect elsewhere in the near future, likely to be seen in France & Germany shortly. (Was just making the point that Kiwi's also have quite strong - and perhaps deluded/uneducated/denial - views about Trump), BUT... "synchronistically," we ourselves are now facing unexpected "leadership" with John Key's sudden resignation. I believe this is connected with strange occurrences in Antarctica of late... which brings me to... disclosure.

(I am - perhaps incorrectly - assuming you mean ET?), I think that will soon be revealed from an unexpected source or event and there will be no denying it. (And it could also be an opportunity for Blue Beam to be implemented).

Underlying all this is Pizzagate!

We seem to be rapidly converging on "something" of global proportions - perhaps not just disclosure but exposure. The status-quo Matrix is collapsing fast.

The timing of these events is no coincidence. ;)

:focus:

[turiya]

Be Warned - this may actually be "True News"

BREAKING: Louisiana Gives Republican John Kennedy Last Senate Seat of 2016 (http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/12/10/breaking-louisiana-gives-republican-john-kennedy-last-senate-race-2016/)







http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807945982633709570)
I spent Friday campaigning with John
Kennedy, of the Great State of Louisiana,
for the U.S.Senate. The election is over - JOHN WON!

5:51 AM - 11 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807945982633709570)




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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807970490635743237)
Whether I choose him or not for "State"- Rex Tillerson, the Chairman & CEO of ExxonMobil, is a world class player and dealmaker. Stay tuned!

7:29 AM - 11 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/807970490635743237)




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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808107215492091904)
Will be interviewed on @FoxNews at 10:00 P.M. Enjoy!

4:32 PM - 11 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808107215492091904)




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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808114703922843649)
Just watched @NBCNightlyNews (https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews) - So biased, inaccurate and bad, point after point. Just can't get much worse, although @CNN (https://twitter.com/CNN) is right up there!

5:02 PM - 11 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808114703922843649)

[turiya]

CNN's Jake Tapper makes racist comment regarding Trump's possible cabinet picks... obviously stoking the 'racial divide' propaganda meme pushed by the 'Fake News' MSM...


Jake Tapper on Trump’s Secretary of State Candidates:
‘It’s Just a Big Group of White Men Over 60’ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jake-tapper-on-trumps-secretary-of-state-candidates-its-just-a-big-group-of-white-men-over-60/)
by Justin Baragona
December 8th, 2016
While speaking with Rep. Mia Love (R-UT) this afternoon, CNN host Jake Tapper commented on one similarity all of President-elect Donald Trump’s candidates for Secretary of State share.

Discussing how Trump’s Cabinet is shaping up, Tapper wanted to know how Love felt about the incoming POTUS’s choices so far. The conservative Utah lawmaker, who was a critic of Trump’s during the campaign, explained she was pleasantly surprised. “Ben Carson was a great choice,” she said, remarking on Trump choosing the retired neurosurgeon to head up HUD.

The CNN host noted that out of the so-called Big Three of Cabinet positions — Treasury, Defense and State — Trump has filled two of the spots but is still deciding on SoS.

After Love said that we know who he is considering, Tapper began running down the list.

“Many people, including Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, ExxonMobil chairman Rex Tillerson among many, many others,” Tapper stated. “Look at them, it’s just — it’s just a big group of white men over 60.”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSGDr7z4a_A
Tapper then wondered if Love had any favorites out of that group, with her responding that she’s a Romney fan due to him being a “great friend.”

SOURCE (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jake-tapper-on-trumps-secretary-of-state-candidates-its-just-a-big-group-of-white-men-over-60/)

[norman]

A group of white men over 60 is better than a bunch of arrested development trigger happy nihilists.

[turiya]

http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Paul-Craig-Roberts-photo.jpg

Has Liberty Departed
From America? (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/12/10/has-liberty-departed-from-america-paul-craig-roberts/)
— by Paul Craig Roberts
December 10, 2016 | Categories: Articles & Columns
Can a few Internet sites save your existence as a free person protected by the US Constitution? Not without your help. If 400,000 Americans gave up the cost of a 6-pack of beer, it could mean the preservation of your freedom. If the millions of my readers were willing to give up the small cost of a 6-pack of beer, we could defeat the evil that rules the West.

Are your civil liberties less valuable to you than a 6-pack of beer?

The fake news stories pouring out of the blood-drenched Obama regime, the ruling Oligarchy’s “liberal progressive” well paid front groups for war criminal Hillary, and secret and unnamed propagandists, such as PropOrNot (http://www.propornot.com/p/home.html), endorsed by the Washington Post, New York Times, and the rest of the press prostitutes who lie for money, are intended to discredit those few who tell the truth. This column from August 31, 2016 is worth reading again.

Are You a Mind-Controlled CIA Stooge?

Paul Craig Roberts

Do you smirk when you hear someone question the official stories of Orlando, San Bernardino, Paris or Nice? Do you feel superior to 2,500 architects and engineers, to firefighters, commercial and military pilots, physicists and chemists, and former high government officials who have raised doubts about 9/11?

If so, you reflect the profile of a mind-controlled CIA stooge.

The term “conspiracy theory” was invented and put into public discourse by the CIA in 1964 in order to discredit the many skeptics who challenged the Warren Commission’s conclusion that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by a lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, who himself was assassinated while in police custody before he could be questioned.

The CIA used its friends in the media to launch a campaign to make suspicion of the Warren Commission report a target of ridicule and hostility. This campaign was “one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

So writes political science professor Lance deHaven-Smith, who in his peer-reviewed book, Conspiracy Theory in America, published by the University of Texas Press, tells the story of how the CIA succeeded in creating in the public mind reflexive, automatic, stigmatization of those who challenge government explanations.

This is an extremely important and readable book, one of those rare books with the power to break you out of The Matrix.

Professor deHaven-Smith is able to write this book because the original CIA Dispatch #1035-960 (http://www.jfklancer.com/CIA.html), which sets out the CIA plot, was obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request. Apparently, the bureaucracy did not regard a document this old as being of any importance. The document is marked “Destroy when no longer needed,” but somehow wasn’t. CIA Dispatch #1035-960 is reproduced in the book.

The success that the CIA has had in stigmatizing skepticism of government explanations has made it difficult to investigate State Crimes Against Democracy (http://dehaven-smith.com/faq/default.html) (SCAD) such as 9/11. With the public mind programmed to ridicule “conspiracy kooks,” even in the case of suspicious events such as 9/11 the government can destroy evidence, ignore prescribed procedures, delay an investigation, and then form a political committee to put its imprimatur on the official story. Professor deHaven-Smith notes that in such events as Kennedy’s assassination and 9/11 official police and prosecutorial investigations are never employed. The event is handed off to a political commission whose job is to produce a coverup.

Professor deHaven-Smith’s book supports what I have told my readers: The government controls the story from the beginning by having the official explanation ready the moment a SCAD occurs. This makes any other explanation a “conspiracy theory.” This is the way Professor deHaven-Smith puts it:

“A SCAD approach to memes assumes further that the CIA and other possibly participating agencies are formulating memes well in advance of operations, and therefore SCAD memes appear and are popularized very quickly before any competing concepts are on the scene.”

The CIA’s success in controlling public perception of what our Founding Fathers would have regarded as suspicious events involving the government enables those in power positions within government to orchestrate events that serve hidden agendas. The events of September 11 created the new paradigm of endless war in behalf of a Washington-dominated world. The CIA’s success in controlling public perceptions has made it impossible to investigate elite political crimes. Consequently, it is now possible for treason to be official US government policy.

Professor deHaven-Smith’s book will tell you the story of the assassination of President Kennedy by elements of the US military, CIA, and Secret Service. Just as the Warren Commission covered up the State Crime Against Democracy, Professor deHaven-Smith shows why we should doubt the official 9/11 story. And anything else that the government tells us.

Read this book. It is short. It is affordable. It is reality preparation. It will innoculate you against being a dumb****, insouciant, brainwashed American, or European, or Russian, or Chinese. I am surprised that the CIA has not purchased the entire print run and burned the books. Perhaps the CIA feels secure from its success in brainwashing the public and does not believe that American democracy and accountable government can be restored.

Is the CIA correct that the American people are forever brainwashed, subject only to the explanations given by their overlords?

If so, all Americans are slated to be the most oppressed people in history.

SOURCE (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/12/10/has-liberty-departed-from-america-paul-craig-roberts/)


__________________________________

State Crimes Against Democracy
Lance deHaven-Smith
(Published on Feb 28, 2014)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A42m7zABR3o

[turiya]

Trump Picks
Climate Change Skeptic for EPA (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/trump-picks-climate-change-skeptic-for-epa/)
Posted Dec 11, 2016
by Martin Armstrong

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/E4Vl8YxzJII/0.jpg
President-elect Trump’s appointment of Scott Pruitt is a major change from the Obama Administration’s insane EPA ‘climate’ regulations. Trump’s pick of Pruitt clearly means that he is standing up to the green establishment. Historically, EPA chiefs have all been just climate change advocates. Trump met with Al Gore and Leonard DiCaprio who are Global Warming advocates, listened to them, and then ignored their advice.


http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/.a/6a00d834515c5469e201a73de9591b970d-pi

Global Warming has become a religion, not a science. The so called paranoid environmentalists REFUSE to listen to any evidence (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/logbooks-of-1901-expedition-confirm-there-is-no-global-warming/) that shows the climate changes (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/nasa-reports-antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum/) have not been caused by man. They focus only of CO2 and not the energy output (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/sun-drop-in-energy-output-is-stronger-than-expected/) of the sun, which has led to all migrations for millions of years. There would never have been a reason to leave your cave unless you had to because of weather. Al Gore previous said all ice would be gone by now (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/global-warming-crowd-said-all-ice-would-be-gone-by-september-2016-oops/). We are headed into a new mini-ice age (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/the-end-of-global-warming-new-ice-age-bundle-up/) (hopefully mini).

No matter what evidence one submits, they refuse to even listen. They have gone so far as to advocate making it a criminal act (http://dailysignal.com/2016/03/10/attorney-general-lynch-looking-into-prosecuting-climate-change-deniers/) for anyone to disagree with them.


This will be the HUGE battle of 2017. -- Martin Armstrong

SOURCE (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/trump-picks-climate-change-skeptic-for-epa/)

_________________________________________

Al Gore meets with Donald and Ivanka Trump
(Published on Dec 5, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYyQYxFErfs_________________________________________

Leonardo DiCaprio Meets With Donald Trump
(Published on Dec 9, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2iepLXEzo4

[turiya]

http://www.billkassel.com/wp-content/uploads/logos/Breitbart-Logo.jpg

Draining the Swamp:
Ted Cruz and Ron DeSantis to Propose
Constitutional Amendment on Term Limits (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/09/ted-cruz-ron-desantis-propose-congressional-term-limit-legislation/)

http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/12/Ted-Cruz-and-Ron-DeSantis-640x480.jpg

by Ben Kew
9 Dec 2016
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) have revealed their plans to introduce a constitutional amendment (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/309730-cruz-desantis-to-introduce-constitutional-amendment-on-term-limits) that will impose term limits for both congressmen and senators.

In a joint op-ed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/if-republicans-really-want-to-drain-the-swamp-heres-how-to-do-it/2016/12/08/7b722582-bd6f-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.a966a5105aff) for The Washington Post, the two Republican firebrands said that term limits would be an effective way for the new Republican administration to “drain the swamp.”

“We believe that the rise of political careerism in modern Washington is a drastic departure from what the founders intended of our federal governing bodies. To effectively “drain the swamp,” we believe it is past time to enact term limits for Congress.”

A policy of congressional term limits (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/22/donald-trump-contract-american-voter-100-days-5338007/) was repeatedly advocated for by President-elect Donald Trump during his presidential campaign, with Speaker of the House Paul Ryan also voicing his support for the idea.

The amendment would impose a three term limit for members of congress and a two term limit for senators.

Both Cruz and DeSantis also point to the “broad support” for congressional term limits, citing a Ramussen survey (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2016/more_voters_than_ever_want_term_limits_for_congress) conducted in October that showed 74% of likely voters supported the idea.

Proposals to impose congressional term limits have been voted on before, with a 1998 proposal failing to receive the necessary two thirds support for passage. Similarly in 2012, the Senate overwhelmingly rejected a non-binding measure endorsing the amendment.

“The time is now for Congress, with the overwhelming support of the American people, to pass a constitutional amendment establishing congressional term limits and send it to the states for speedy ratification,” the pair said.

“With control of a decisive majority of the states, the executive branch, the House of Representatives and the Senate, the Republican Party has the responsibility to respond to the voters’ call to action. We must, and we can, deliver,” they concluded.

SOURCE (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/09/ted-cruz-ron-desantis-propose-congressional-term-limit-legislation/)

[turiya]

Continuing with the Russians Caused Hillary Clinton to Lose the Election meme...


Reince Priebus & Hysterical Chuck Todd
Over Russian Conspiracy Theories
(Published on Dec 11, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IRCdjeTtII_______________________________

The Truth About Fake News
(Published on Nov 17, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyS3Ghevf2I_______________________________


The Truth About Fake News:
Russia Hacked U.S. Election For Donald Trump?
(Published on Dec 10, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF5TomeiMrc_______________________________

CIA Splinter Group Calls
For Overthrow Of Trump Election
(Published on Dec 11, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEzO-yKrsTY_______________________________

Donald Trump at FOX News Sunday Dec 11 2016
(Published on Dec 11, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ND8IMjwxes

[BMJ]

Donald Trump Is Choosing His Cabinet. Here’s the Latest List. 12/10/16

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.html

[ThePythonicCow]

Multiple left-wing (US Democrat party leaning) websites are reposting a PoliticusUSA.com article (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/10/calls-growing-presidential-election-held-russia-meddled-trump.html) saying that former CIA Operative Robert Baer brought up the idea of holding a new election during an appearance on CNN.

Here's the PoliticusUSA.com article:

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Calls Grow For A New Presidential Election To Be Held After Russia Meddled To Help Trump

By Jason Easley on Sat, Dec 10th, 2016 at 8:36 pm

It is finally being said out loud, in public, on national television. America may need to hold a new presidential election after Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump.

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Former CIA Operative Robert Baer brought up the idea of holding a new election during an appearance on CNN:
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Baer said, “The Russians, it looks like to me did interfere in our elections. We’ll never be able to decide whether they changed the outcome, but I’ll tell you having worked in the CIA if we had been caught interfering in European elections, or Asian elections, or anywhere in the world, those countries would call for new elections. Any democracy would. I mean, I don’t see it any other way. The Electoral College before the nineteenth has got to know whether the Russians had an effect, Whether they went to Wikileaks, whether they hacked email, and whether they affected American opinion. They had a good reason to go after Hillary Clinton. Putin hates her for the Ukraine.

Baer added, “When a foreign country interferes in your election and the outcome is in doubt and the legitimacy of the government. I don’t know how it works constitutionally. I’m not a lawyer, constitutional lawyer, but I’m deeply disturbed by the fact that the Russians interfered, and I would like to see the evidence, because if the evidence is there, I don’t see any other way than to vote again.”

Think about how unprecedented Baer’s comments were. On American national television, a former CIA operative called for a new presidential election because a foreign government interfered in the last election to help one candidate win.

It may not be possible to hold a brand new election, but there is time for the evidence to shown to the Electoral College electors. Whether or not a new election is held, Donald Trump could enter the White House under a cloud of scandal so severe that the accusation against him, if true would be an impeachable offense.

The American electoral process has been compromised, and the only way out this mess is an Electoral College vote that elects Hillary Clinton or a whole new election.

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[ThePythonicCow]

.
DrudgeReport.com (http://drudgereport.com/) is leading with the following CIA logo along with four headlines on the issue of (CIA alleged) Russian hacking of the US election:


https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/nx.EuK1hP1vlwYV310xrGw--/YXBwaWQ9bWFnYXppbmVzO3c9NTAw/https://s.yimg.com/os/en_US/News/BGR_News/cia-headquarters-logo.jpg

THE RUSSIANS DID IT! (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-russia-meddling-us-election-dont-believe-142014369.html)
SPY GAMES (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/russia-hacking-conclusions-donald-trump/index.html)
WEAPONS OF DISINFORMATION? (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-intelligence-community-232463)
'FACTS ARE THERE' (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mccain-donald-trump-russia-hacking-response/)

[ThePythonicCow]

.
Alex Jones' Infowars (http://InfoWars.com) is reporting:

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Rogue CIA Calls For New Election Could Lead To Trump Assassination -- CIA operative calls for second election (http://www.infowars.com/rogue-cia-calls-for-new-election-could-lead-to-trump-assassination/):
iCJTRIcKCHg
The same CIA responsible for overthrowing elected governments is completely trying to delegitimize Donald Trump’s presidency.
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Inforwars is also reporting

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MAXIMUM ALERT: Rogue CIA Working to Overthrow Trump Election-- CIA report claims Russia interfered in election to benefit Trump (http://www.infowars.com/cia-election-report-is-fake-news-to-attack-trump-russia/)
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When the CIA – a group of admitted liars and domestic propagandists – come out with a report, you can bet it’s fake news.
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[ThePythonicCow]

.
InvestmentWatchBlog.com (IWB) (http://investmentwatchblog.com/secret-agenda-are-they-planning-to-use-russian-interference-as-an-excuse-to-invalidate-trumps-election-victory/) has an article describing how, over the past 48 hours: Barack Obama,
Hillary Clinton,
US Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham,
the Washington Post,
the New York Times,
CNBC,
NPR,
CNN, and
NBCare all suddenly buzzing about “Russian hacking” and “Russian interference” in our elections.

The IWB article begins:

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It has been said that nothing happens by accident in politics, and it is certainly no accident that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, members of the U.S. Senate and the mainstream media are all suddenly buzzing about “Russian hacking” and “Russian interference” in our elections. Over the past 48 hours, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and just about every other major news source in America has been breathlessly telling us that the CIA has concluded that the Russians “intervened” in the presidential election with the specific goal of helping Donald Trump win. The implication is that if the Russian interference was significant enough, it could have “unfairly” altered the outcome of the election and thus Donald Trump’s victory was not legitimate. And if his victory was not legitimate, that opens up all sorts of possibilities for the Democrats.

For those that have been wondering if the establishment was going to attempt to steal the presidency away from Donald Trump before he can be inaugurated, we now appear to have our answer.

There are several ways that this could work, and we’ll take it one step at a time.

On Friday, we were suddenly assaulted with all sorts of headlines about how the U.S. intelligence community has concluded that the Russians interfered in the election and that they did so with the intention of helping Trump win. The following example comes from CNBC (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/11/trump-blasts-ridiculous-cia-report-that-russia-was-behind-hacks.html)…

The New York Times reported American intelligence agencies have “high confidence” (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/09/new-york-times-digital-russia-hacked-republican-committee-but-kept-data-us-concludes.html) that Russia intervened in the later stages of the 2016 election to help Trump win the presidency. Senior administration officials said the Russian government gave WikiLeaks emails from the Democratic National Committee, among others including Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta. The organizations also found evidence that Russia hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems, but did not release the information.

More specifically, we are being told that it is the CIA that is the primary source of this “intelligence”. Of course the public is not being shown a shred of evidence that the Russians were behind any of this. Instead, we are just being told to trust the “experts” at the CIA (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/10/505072304/cia-concludes-russian-interference-aimed-to-elect-trump)…

The CIA has concluded that Russia intervened in the 2016 election specifically to help Donald Trump win the presidency, a U.S. official has confirmed to NPR.

“Before, there was confidence about the fact that Russia interfered,” the official says. “But there was low confidence on what the direction and intentionality of the interference was. Now they [the CIA] have come to the conclusion that Russia was trying to tip the election to Trump.”

On Sunday, four members of the U.S. Senate came forward to express their concerns about Russian interference. Two of the four were Democrats, and the other two were Republicans that have been some of the most vocal critics of Donald Trump throughout the election season. I don’t think that it is any accident that John McCain and Lindsey Graham have chosen to be part of this effort (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/11/politics/russia-us-elections-2016/index.html)…

“Congress’s national security committees have worked diligently to address the complex challenge of cybersecurity, but recent events show that more must be done,” said Sens. Chuck Schumer, the incoming Senate Democratic leader, Sen. John McCain, the Armed Services Committee chairman, fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, and Sen. Jack Reed, the top Armed Services Committee Democrat, in a Sunday morning statement.

“While protecting classified material, we have an obligation to inform the public about recent cyberattacks that have cut to the heart of our free society. Democrats and Republicans must work together, and across the jurisdictional lines of the Congress, to examine these recent incidents thoroughly and devise comprehensive solutions to deter and defend against further cyber-attacks.”

And of course this comes on the heels of Barack Obama ordering all of the intelligence agencies under his command to show him any evidence of Russian interference in the election before he leaves office.

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[KiwiElf]

If only "the sheeple" knew the true origins and purpose of the CIA: formed by Alan Dulles (Bavarian Illuminati) and 50%+ staffed by ex Nazi 3rd Reich personnel imported from Paperclip. Should we believe anything they say? :facepalm:

[ThePythonicCow]

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I'm beginning to see a pattern in my last four posts, just above.

It seems that the Clinton side, now that Jill Stein's recount efforts are having difficulty, are going to Plan B to throw the election into doubt: It's the Russians! The Russians hacked it!. Trump didn't really win.

[High Octane Speculation]: If Ken over at RedefiningGod.com is right, then the Clinton's don't expect to win the Whitehouse, but they are tasked (by the Bastards in Power) to throw enough confusion into the next steps in the election process, involving the Electoral College and the US Congress, to delay Trump's inauguration, leaving third in line, Speaker of House Paul Ryan as the acting President for a few weeks, starting January 20, 2016 when Obama's four year term ends. Ken figures that Ryan will be tasked with stirring up some serious war in the Middle East.

In any case, the chaos masters don't seem to have retired from this planet yet.

[Flash]

US is constantly interfering in other countries' elections. Backing coups, putting their stooge in power, fomenting wars, using NSA for corporate spying backed by congress and tax money, name it. Now that those fomenting wars and coups have lost, they accuse others of having done to them what they themselves do. True complete psychopaths behaviors - telling that what ones does is done by others.

Although I do not like either, Trump or Clinton, it is difficult to ever think that Trump was fraudulently elected in view of the constant relentless anti Trump barrage in the media.

But let me tell you that I do not like his cabinet one bit: generals, petroleum, wallstreet, all one and the same as the Bush terms.

[KiwiElf]

Hmmm China's pretty good at that (bullying?) too, Flash. Every time NZ entertained the Dalai Lama, China made sure we heard about it, in very threatening and negative rhetoric, quite publically. It had the affect of (now, as of today) ex Prime Minister John Key, not attending or welcoming the Dalai Lama's last visit ;)

I'll be clear: the Cabal will attempt to do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING THEY CAN to stop Trump becoming President.

(Because if & when he does, they're history ... and time is running out)

[BMJ]

This is just all to much for me it is doing my head in. I am still trying to get my head around how a certain Barry Soetoro can become president of the United States of America and stay in office for 8 years when he was born in Kenya. I mean why could not Arnie "The Terminator" Schwarzenegger pull it off? Maybe because he was born in Austria, just saying.

But Barack "Twinkle Toes" Obama can.

Maybe the CIA or FBI should investigate that and give a damning speech about how he is a illegitimate president for a good 15 minutes and in summary say "well it was an honest mistaken, nothing to see here move along please."

The alphabet agencies are a joke.

[ThePythonicCow]

But let me tell you that I do not like his cabinet one bit: generals, petroleum, wallstreet, all one and the same as the Bush terms.
Yes - Trump's cabinet is yet more elite military, petro, and bankster.

However I suspect it's very much not along the lines of Bush.

Rather I suspect that the bastards in power are shifting gears, world-wide,
from a uni-polar world dominated by the world's sole super power, the US, with their currency, the Dollar, as the dominant currency of international trade, contracts, liquidity, and debt (aka "the world reserve currency"),

to a multi-polar political, multiple currency monetary arrangement (under the central control of the UN, the BIS, and such.)I suspect that a portion of the American elite, such as the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate, the American neocons (the one's infamous for "exporting democracy to the world at the point of a gun"), and their various overseas lackey's and exported institutions of chaos (such as NATO) ... are being thrown under the bus. Someone bigger than Trump has told them "You're Fired!" ... and they aren't going quietly, nor would the bastards in power want them to go quietly, as the chaos of such divisions can always be put to some good use, advancing the elite agenda.

We're seeing the demise of the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate, and we're seeing which elite institutions and power brokers have made the cut for the next "new world order." Apparently the military, petro, and bankster crowd has made the cut.

[Eram]

But let me tell you that I do not like his cabinet one bit: generals, petroleum, wallstreet, all one and the same as the Bush terms.
Yes - Trump's cabinet is yet more elite military, petro, and bankster.

However I suspect it's very much not along the lines of Bush.

Rather I suspect that the bastards in power are shifting gears, world-wide,
from a uni-polar world dominated by the world's sole super power, the US, with their currency, the Dollar, as the dominant currency of international trade, contracts, liquidity, and debt (aka "the world reserve currency"),

to a multi-polar political, multiple currency monetary arrangement (under the central control of the UN, the BIS, and such.)I suspect that a portion of the American elite, such as the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate, the American neocons (the one's infamous for "exporting democracy to the world at the point of a gun"), and their various overseas lackey's and exported institutions of chaos (such as NATO) ... are being thrown under the bus. Someone bigger than Trump has told them "You're Fired!" ... and they aren't going quietly, nor would the bastards in power want them to go quietly, as the chaos of such divisions can always be put to some good use, advancing the elite agenda.

We're seeing the demise of the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate, and we're seeing which elite institutions and power brokers have made the cut for the next "new world order." Apparently the military, petro, and bankster crowd has made the cut.

If the bastards in power are shifting gears, then why are the press, the CIA and the White house still opposing Trump as the next president?
Aren't these in full control of the bips for a long time now?

Trump is a nationalist who wants to infuse some common sense in international relations and cool things down with Russia and this is in full collision with the agenda of the bips.

No my friend, For the first time since long, the bips have not been able to control the democratic process and see themselves stuck with someone who may not so easily be persuaded to do their bidding and from what I see happening ( with their "Russia intervened in the election" and "Fake news" memes), they are in full panic mode.

If they feel that they can get away with assassinating him, without causing a civil war, they would do it instantly.

[KiwiElf]

Paul, I hope you're wrong and Eram, I hope you're right! ;) Either possibility exists. I'm taking the wait-and-see approach atm - there is more going on here than just Trump and those he is selecting.

If we look at what is happening to previously Cabal-controlled Governments on a global scale, it's showing a definite pattern of Cabal collapse.

[turiya]

Donald Trump Is Choosing His Cabinet. Here’s the Latest List. 12/10/16

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.html

BMJ -

That is a list compiled by the NYTimes. I would not count on anything this 'Fake News' source, The New York Times, would put out. For instance, with regard to the Secretary of State contenders, the NYTimes has left one individual out of the possible candidates. And that one would be Dana Rohrabacher, with possibly John Bolton being his Under-Secretary.

I would put this possible Trump pick in your piggy bank.


Rohrabacher on Fox and Friends
(Published on Dec 5, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAPbna-duWY__________________Late Add


Paul, I hope you're wrong and Eram, I hope you're right! ;) Either possibility exists. I'm taking the wait-and-see approach atm - there is more going on here than just Trump and those he is selecting.

If we look at what is happening to previously Cabal-controlled Governments on a global scale, it's showing a definite pattern of Cabal collapse.

Yes, the Deep State is struggling... Just as Clif High's webbot has predicted. They are trying everything they possibly can... from the MSM being Clinton's propaganda machine to George Soros' vote rigging machines, to Jill Stein's recount, to the Russians did it with Trump being an agent, leading to this CIA rogue agent making his play...

My 'Source' says that this will all come to naught!

[turiya]

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10 Ways the CIA’s
‘Russian Hacking’ Story is
Left-Wing ‘Fake News’ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/12/cia-russian-hacking-story-sham/)

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by Joel B. Pollak (http://www.breitbart.com/author/joel-b-pollak/)
12 Dec 2016
On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) pledged to support (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/mcconnell-backs-congressional-investigation-into-russian-interference-232504) a congressional investigation into whether Russian hacking affected the 2016 election. Republicans have nothing to fear from such an investigation, because they won the election fair and square.

No, Russia is not the friend that President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton spent several years pretending it was. But the idea that Russian hackers coronated Trump is only the latest left-wing opiate — after white supremacists and “fake news” — designed to dull the pain of electoral defeat, and postpone the reckoning that must occur if Democrats are to pose a significant threat as an opposition party at any time in the near future.

Here are just ten of the reasons the “Russian hacking” story is a sham — a left-wing twist on the red-baiting McCarthyism of the 1950s.

1. There is actually no new information leading the CIA to its conclusion. The New York Times reports (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/us/politics/cia-judgment-intelligence-russia-hacking-evidence.html):
“The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday. Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence — evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments — that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.”

In other words, someone only decided after Trump won that it the accusation was worth making.

2. The “evidence” that the CIA has gathered is inconclusive. The FBI also disagrees with some of the CIA’s conclusions about Russia’s motives. “While lawmakers were seemingly united on the need to present a strong bipartisan response, the FBI and CIA gave lawmakers differing accounts on Russia’s motives, according to The Post,” The Hill reported (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/309886-trump-lawmakers-split-on-severity-of-russian-election-interference) on Sunday.

3. The CIA is not making public claims that Russia hacked the election. Several CIA veterans, in fact, have urged caution about the leaked reports. As Newsweek reports (http://www.newsweek.com/cia-trump-putin-2016-election-hacks-wikileaks-clinton-spies-intelligence-iraq-530666): “‘I am not saying that I don’t think Russia did this,’ Nada Bakos, a top former CIA counterterrorism officer tells Newsweek, in a typical comment. ‘My main concern is that we will rush to judgment. The analysis needs to be cohesive and done the right way.'” Thus far there is not even a clear idea what the CIA’s conclusions are.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wft0DylvS4

4. Despite left-wing “fake news,” there is no evidence Russian hackers actually distorted the voting process. The most that the CIA is alleging is that the Russians may have helped hack of the Democratic National Committee emails, as well as (possibly) the emails of Hillary Clinton campaign chaiman John Podesta. There is zero evidence Russian hackers messed with voting. Ironically, Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s recount has eliminated any doubt about the integrity of the results.

5. The Obama administration has a history of manipulating intelligence for political gain. The most under-reported scandal of Obama’s presidency was the CENTCOM scandal (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/08/11/house-task-force-confirms-u-s-military-manipulated-intel-make-seem-obama-winning-islamic-state/), in which it emerged that “senior U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) leaders manipulated intelligence assessments in 2014 and 2015 to make it appear that President Barack Obama is winning the war against the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL).” There is even more reason to doubt the truth of a selective leak about the election.

6. Julian Assange and Wikileaks have vigorously denied that the Russians were involved in Wikileaks’ disclosures. Of the Democratic National Committee emails, Assange said (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/05/julian-assange-claims-russia-wasnt-involved-in-dnc-hack/): “That is the circumstantial evidence that some Russian, or someone who wanted to make them look like a Russian, was involved, with these other media organisations. That is not the case for the material that we released.” Assange made similar denials (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/10/20/wikileaks-clintons-claim-russian-espionage-immediately-disprovable-whopper/) about the Podesta email leaks later in the election.

7. The fact that the Russians might constantly be trying to hack U.S. systems, and might even specifically have targeted the election, does not prove that they succeeded. Nor does it prove that they tipped the election to Trump even if they had some effect. As pollster Frank Luntz tweeted (https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/807623515918700544): “Did Russia also hack Hillary’s campaign calendar and delete all her stops in rural Wisconsin, Penn., and Michigan?” Hillary Clinton lost the election for reasons entirely of her own making.

8. Foreign interference in elections is nothing new — and the Obama administration is a prime culprit. In 2015, the Obama administration made a strenuous and not-terribly-well-hidden effort to swing the Israeli elections toward the opposition and away from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The State Department gave (http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016/07/13/israeli-lawmakers-fume-obama-administration-intervention-defeat-netanyahu/) $300,000 to a “pro-peace” Israeli group, which then paid political activists whose goal was to unseat Netanyahu. In 1984, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) actually asked (http://hotair.com/archives/2016/12/12/conway-trump-doesnt-want-interference-in-our-politics/) for Soviet help. Russian efforts to intervene would be bad, but not unique, either for Russia or for the U.S.

9. What would the consequences of allowing undue Russian influence in our elections be, exactly? Would we yield primacy in Eastern Europe to Vladimir Putin? Would we give up our plans for missile defense? Would we make deep unilateral cuts in our nuclear arsenal in exchange for flimsy concessions ? Would we tolerate a Russian land invasion of a friendly, pro-Western country? Would we cede the Middle East to Russian hegemony? Because Hillary Clinton and Obama already did that.

10. Occam’s razor: the simplest explanation for the “Russian hacking” story is that it is “fake news” that suits the left-wing media. It is not unknown for Russia to use false propaganda to affect public opinion in foreign countries. Nor is it unknown for the U.S. media to use bias, “fake news,” and outright lies to shift public opinion in this country. The current focus on Russian “hacking,” based on no new evidence and — again — zero evidence of tampering with the voting process.

Breitbart News (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/12/cia-russian-hacking-story-sham/)

[Bob]

Bolton alludes to a FALSE FLAG operation conducted by the Obama Administration

John Bolton who is rumored to be President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for deputy secretary of state, made waves Sunday when he questioned the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russian hacking had influenced the presidential election.


“It is not at all clear to me, just viewing this from the outside, that this hacking into the DNC and the RNC computers was not a false flag operation,” Bolton said in an interview on Fox News.

Bolton suggested Russian hacking capabilities would be too sophisticated to leave any sort of trace, asking Fox News’ Eric Shawn, “If you think the Russians did this, why did they leave fingerprints?”

Bolton, who served as United States ambassador to the United Nations under President George W. Bush, is widely known as one of the more hawkish members of the Republican foreign policy machine, and an outspoken critic of the U.N. His tenure lasted less than two years.

Though Bolton noted the importance of an independent investigation into the hacking, he suggested there might be political motives behind the current administration’s push.

The Trump transition office likened the situation to the false claims that Saddam Hussein was in possession of weapons of mass destruction during the Bush administration. (Which lead to the first war on Iraq to take out Saddam Hussein. No WMD's were ever found despite "intelligence" claims that such was there.)

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/possible-state-dept-number-2-says-russian-hacking-could-be-a-false-flag

[onawah]

They like to do things like that on certain dates that coordinate with their occult ritualistic thinking, so they seldom do anything "instantly".


If they feel that they can get away with assassinating him, without causing a civil war, they would do it instantly.

[ThePythonicCow]

If the bastards in power are shifting gears, then why are the press, the CIA and the White house still opposing Trump as the next president?
Aren't these in full control of the bips for a long time now?
The main stream press, the CIA (well, at least some portions of the CIA), and the current Whitehouse, are being thrown under the bus, along with the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate and neocons. The century of American Exceptionalism, the reign of King Dollar, ... are coming to an end.


If they feel that they can get away with assassinating him, without causing a civil war, they would do it instantly.
It's not the threat of a civil war that keeps the Bush/Clinton/neocon/... crowd from taking Trump down.

Rather it's the more powerful elite bastards, at the top of the food chain on this planet, and the various agents and agencies who are being included in the coming new world order. Even if Trump did meet some unfortunate end (unlikely), his critical role would soon be filled by someone else (perhaps a clone or double, unbeknownst to us, though that would be a challenging role to fill that way.)

I'll repeat: The century of American Exceptionalism, the reign of King Dollar, ... are coming to an end. Those agents and agencies who remain too closely sided with the dominance of an American centered empire controlling the planet are being tossed aside. (Yet another) New World Order, multi-polar and multi-currency, managed through globalist institutions such as the UN and the BIS, and relying on more pervasive global surveillance, propaganda, economic, military, monetary and other such systems, is replacing the American empire of the last century. Such a global world order would not have been possible, in that form, prior to the creation of a world-wide, deeply pervasive, communications network.

[Cidersomerset]

I have not posted on this thread recently leaving it to you guys , but I have posted
a lot of vids today on the WW111 thread about the Russian hacking claims that
may be of interest.....The mainstream media are falling over themselves looking
for 'cyber Reds under the beds' and calling Trump a idiot to former republican
Joe Walsh: Trump's response 'almost treasonous and he is outraged by the lack of
outrage from his own side......

hGAZpTrEoFg

Published on 12 Dec 2016
Former congressman Joe Walsh, who is a Trump supporter, says the President-
elect's response to intelligence regarding Russian hacking is "almost treasonous."

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Donald Trump rejects CIA Russia hacking report

President-elect Donald Trump has rejected as "ridiculous" a CIA assessment that
Russian hackers tried to sway the election in his favour.He told Fox News the
Democrats were putting out the reports because they were embarrassed at the
scale of the election defeat.On Friday, CIA officials told US media they had
concluded that Russians hackers were trying to help Mr Trump.
read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38282533

read more

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III/page78

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CIA NN ... 'Still stirring the pot'

Trump calls Russia hacking reports ridiculous

-_lSiY4HD3U

Published on 12 Dec 2016
President-elect Donald Trump says that Russia did not interfere with the US
election, despite US intelligence reports to the contrary. CNN's Ryan Nobles reports.

[onawah]

Washington Post-CIA connections destroy Post’s “election-hack” claim
by Jon Rappoport
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/12/12/washington-post-cia-connections-destroy-posts-election-hack-claim/


“The CIA says” is never a great way to start a sentence. But that’s the basis of the latest charge that Russia hacked the US presidential election.

Members of Congress have now been secretly briefed by the CIA on “the Russian affair,” and media, led by the Washington Post, are running with the story that Russia influenced the US election on the side of Trump.

Until and unless the denizens of Langley decide to show specific and convincing evidence for their claim, this is disinformation.

It’s easy to assemble a circumstantial case. But each case has to be judged on its own merits, and the devil is in the details. If we aren’t privy to those details in the “Russian affair,” no judgement is possible. Of course, major media outlets don’t seem bothered by that. They’re happy to cite the CIA as an authority—conveniently ignoring the fact that people in the intelligence field are taught to lie. It’s their stock in trade.

You might remember the Washington Post’s role in defaming and destroying Gary Webb, who, in 1996, published a series of articles in the Mercury News about the CIA seeding black Los Angeles neighborhoods with crack cocaine. The Post basically asked the CIA whether the charge was true, and when the Agency denied it, the Post attacked Webb as a “fake news” reporter. The same Washington Post is now leading the campaign to tie the Russian government to Hillary Clinton’s defeat. And the Post, once again, is using unproven statements from the CIA to back up their claim.

I could go on and on about the Post and its historic CIA ties. But now, right now, the owner of the Post is Jeff Bezos, who also owns Amazon. And Amazon has a $600 million contract to provide the CIA cloud computing services (more here and here).

Boom.

Ordinarily, that would be called a fatal conflict of interest, whenever the Post opens up its yap about the CIA in any context.

However, mainstream news outlets, the very big ones, don’t go around criticizing each other’s ownerships; so the Bezos-CIA relationship is conveniently ignored and left “in the past.”

An honest lead paragraph on the current Russia-CIA-Trump allegations in the Post, however, would start this way:

“Our paper is owned by Jeff Bezos, and Jeff is making $600 million to provide the CIA with computing services, so take everything below with a grain of salt the size of Langley.”

Going one step further, Amazon and the CIA are both in the data-collecting business. What are the chances that Amazon, in the interest of “national security,” has been sharing its massive customer data with the CIA and other US intelligence agencies?

This should lead to another conflict-of-interest statement from the Washington Post: “As you read any article in our paper, keep in mind that our owner may be data-mining you and passing the information to the CIA. Have a nice day.”

Am I being too hard on Amazon? Do they have the basic guts to stand up to the intelligence community and resist its demands? Here is what author Norman Solomon had to say about that in 2014 (Huffington Post):

“Amazon’s trajectory into the CIA’s spooky arms may be a bit more than just corporate eagerness to land a lucrative contract. In late 2010 — amid intense public interest in documents that WikiLeaks was posting to illuminate U.S. actions overseas — Amazon took a notable step. As the Guardian reported at the time, Amazon ‘pulled the plug on hosting the whistleblowing website in reaction to heavy political pressure.’

“It didn’t take much for Amazon to cave. ‘The company announced it was cutting WikiLeaks off … only 24 hours after being contacted by the staff of Joe Lieberman, chairman of the Senate’s committee on homeland security,’ the Guardian noted.”

Let’s see. In 2010, Amazon cuts off WikiLeaks, proving its willingness to cave to the intelligence community.

In 2013, Jeff Bezos, the owner of Amazon, buys the Washington Post.

In 2016, during the presidential campaign, WikiLeaks releases tons of email data exposing Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee, and associated players.

In 2016, after Clinton loses, the CIA—now Amazon’s business partner, and by extension, the Washington Post’s business partner—tells the Post that Russia influenced the election on behalf of Trump, and also implies/asserts that Russian hackers supplied Wikileaks with those tons of email data…

And the Washington Post accepts what its business partner, the CIA, is saying at face value and then leads the charge to blame Russia for handing the election to Trump.

The Post doubles down and absurdly accuses numerous sites and blogs of being a) “fake” and b) conscious or unconscious dupes of the Russian government.

A nice neat package.

Who exactly is the fake news outlet?

Jon Rappoport

[onawah]

For a possible explanation, see this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86769-This-may-be-Obama-s-real-birth-certificate--but-may-also-be-a-hoax-&p=1119130&viewfull=1#post1119130

This is just all to much for me it is doing my head in. I am still trying to get my head around how a certain Barry Soetoro can become president of the United States of America and stay in office for 8 years when he was born in Kenya. I mean why could not Arnie "The Terminator" Schwarzenegger pull it off? Maybe because he was born in Austria, just saying.

But Barack "Twinkle Toes" Obama can.

[Bob]

Podesta tries to influence the 'electors' pushing U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that Russian hacking had influenced the presidential election.


Hillary Political Advisor, John Podesta, jumped on the briefing bandwagon, demanding intelligence briefings on Russian involvement prior to the Electoral College vote:

“The bipartisan electors’ letter raises very grave issues involving our national security,” Podesta said in a statement Monday. “Electors have a solemn responsibility under the Constitution and we support their efforts to have their questions addressed.”

“Each day that month, our campaign decried the interference of Russia in our campaign and its evident goal of hurting our campaign to aid Donald Trump,” he said. “Despite our protestations, this matter did not receive the attention it deserved by the media in the campaign. We now know that the CIA has determined Russia’s interference in our elections was for the purpose of electing Donald Trump. This should distress every American.”

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/12/pelosis-daughter-and-9-other-electors-want-briefing-on-alleged-russian-election-interference/

"[..] there’s no new evidence to suggest Russians swayed election results. Sure, the Wikileaks stuff was nasty, but that’s old news. Should it be investigated? Probably. Though the same people demanding an investigation into this alleged hacking’s electoral impact NOW also declared with certainty that Hillary’s home-brewed server was never infiltrated by foreign foes."

MEDIA does everything it can to INFLUENCE people. WikiLeaks presenting scandalous emails from Podesta, and Hillary and other DNC members - it has not been determined who supplied said emails to WikiLeaks? If one were to look at infiltration attempts of certain IP's at Georgia's voter database - unsuccessfully 15 November 2016 DHS (US department of Homeland Security tried to break in..


Georgia Says Someone in U.S. Government Tried to Hack State’s Computers housing Voter Data

Georgia’s Secretary of State Brian Kemp said the state had discovered an unsuccessful attempt to breach the firewall of state computer systems. The attempt occurred on Nov. 15 and was linked to an IP address associated with DHS, he said.

[SunSea]

If the bastards in power are shifting gears, then why are the press, the CIA and the White house still opposing Trump as the next president?
Aren't these in full control of the bips for a long time now?
The main stream press, the CIA (well, at least some portions of the CIA), and the current Whitehouse, are being thrown under the bus, along with the Bush/Clinton crime syndicate and neocons. The century of American Exceptionalism, the reign of King Dollar, ... are coming to an end.


If they feel that they can get away with assassinating him, without causing a civil war, they would do it instantly.
It's not the threat of a civil war that keeps the Bush/Clinton/neocon/... crowd from taking Trump down.

Rather it's the more powerful elite bastards, at the top of the food chain on this planet, and the various agents and agencies who are being included in the coming new world order. Even if Trump did meet some unfortunate end (unlikely), his critical role would soon be filled by someone else (perhaps a clone or double, unbeknownst to us, though that would be a challenging role to fill that way.)

I'll repeat: The century of American Exceptionalism, the reign of King Dollar, ... are coming to an end. Those agents and agencies who remain too closely sided with the dominance of an American centered empire controlling the planet are being tossed aside. (Yet another) New World Order, multi-polar and multi-currency, managed through globalist institutions such as the UN and the BIS, and relying on more pervasive global surveillance, propaganda, economic, military, monetary and other such systems, is replacing the American empire of the last century. Such a global world order would not have been possible, in that form, prior to the creation of a world-wide, deeply pervasive, communications network.

I think this could very well be the case, unfortunately. Such an explanation crossed my mind when Clinton was thrown under the bus the second time. This group is finished.. they can pull all their dirty tricks etc. but all will be for naught. They've gone as far as possible with their plans which is nothing but destruction and would only be more of the same. And they aren't even able to accomplish their main objectives it seems of conquest and control. Must be quite entertaining for some at the Top. What a basket of deplorables!. p.s. I also think they forgot who is running the show, they assumed the power was theirs.

[ThePythonicCow]

This group is finished.. they can pull all their dirty tricks etc. but all will be for naught.
Well, not entirely for naught.

The walls that divide humanity along so many racial, religious, political, academic, economic, regional, gender, family, etc, etc lines are walls that are energized by the human conflicts endlessly stirred up by the elite bastards.

"They" seldom need real fences of brick and mortar or of electrified wire to contain us, for humanity provides the confines of our own imprisonment, energized by conflict.

(This is in part why "they" seem to leak, both before and after, the details of false flag and of other major controversies. "They" do not want to fool all of us, all of the time. "They" want to fool half of us, in sundry diverse ways, most of the time, so as to create and energize diverse divisions within humanity.)

The downfall of the Bush/Clinton/Neocon crime syndicate has and will continue to provide many such opportunities to energize the walls of our own prison, not just within American politics, but also in the ancient and ongoing conflicts in the Middle East.

Ken, over at RedefinningGod.com (http://redefininggod.com/2016/12/your-guide-to-the-electoral-college-coup-and-counter-coup/), has an update today, explaining how he anticipates this controversial (deliberately so) American election to incite a more major Middle East conflict, involving Russia vs the US, early in the coming year of 2017.

Ken's update reads, in part:

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2) It was only after Judge Diamond failed to order a Pennsylvania recount on Friday that the “secret CIA report” hit the press. By late Friday, both the Michigan and Pennsylvania recounts were essentially dead, and Wisconsin’s was nearing completion, so the globalists needed to create a public justification for more electors abandoning Trump.

As to why they abandoned their recount scenario, I suspect it was to obscure Chabad-Lubavitch’s hand in orchestrating the whole drama. The Jewish judge who oversaw the Michigan recount case, Judge Mark Goldsmith, has a demonstrable tie to the Lubavitchers. And the Jewish judge who oversaw the Pennsylvania recount case, Judge Paul Diamond, grew up in Brooklyn, the nerve center of the Lubavitch movement. It appears that once the alt-media started sniffing around those connections (something the Lubavitchers trusted the mainstream press to never do), they backed off and kicked the ball over to the CIA.

With their original strategy now abandoned, reversing the election result will require 38 faithless Trump electors to vote for Hillary, and hanging the electoral college will require 37 faithless Trump electors voting for anyone else. So in the time between now and the 19th, you’ll see the mainstream media slamming Trump over his Goldman Sachs / ExxonMobil cabinet picks and his denial of Russian intervention on his behalf. This will be done to convince the electorate that there are plausible reasons for dozens of electors to abandon him.

For more background information on the Electoral College Coup, read The strategy behind Jill Stein’s recount effort (http://redefininggod.com/2016/12/the-strategy-behind-jill-steins-recount-effort/).

What specific objective are the globalists seeking by conducting the coup?

They are aiming to create a temporary Paul Ryan presidency between Obama and Trump’s presidencies. When Congress unseals and counts the Electoral College votes on January 6, either a Hillary win or a hung vote will result in a firestorm of controversy in both the Congress and the courts, and settling the matter will take more than the two week period between the vote count and the January 20 inauguration day. Since Obama’s presidency (and Biden’s Vice-Presidency) will expire on January 20 and no replacements will yet be available, the presidency will temporarily fall to the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, until the election controversies are finally settled by either Congress and the courts or a US military counter-coup.

A Ryan presidency was made necessary by Obama’s refusal to allow a full-on US vs. Russia war to develop in Syria. Ryan’s assignment is to ensure the war crisis takes place in order to provide the segue to the post-crisis New World Order. Trump will then be sworn in as President to assist Putin in “reforming” the UN and helping the NWO to gel.

Why do the globalists want a US vs. Russia war crisis?

The answer to this and much more later…

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So, in short, the Bush/Clinton/Neocon downfall is being put to use to energize some of the divisions within humanity. We should expect no less of the bastards in power.

[turiya]

Rogue Elements of the CIA
Are Operating Against
President-elect Trump (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/12/12/rogue-elements-of-the-cia-are-operating-against-president-elect-trump-paul-craig-roberts/)
— by Paul Craig Roberts
December 12, 2016

Alex Jones catches a lot of grief. Some of it he brings on himself by being over the top, but most of the criticism he receives comes from his practice of dragging into the news issues that otherwise would remained cloaked in silence.

Alex is certainly correct to stress that elements in the CIA, or someone claiming to be CIA, are planting stories in the media that Russia hacked Hillary’s emails and used the damning information to elect Trump.

The truth of the emails is not what is in question. It is their alleged Russian origin. There is no evidence for this claim. Wikileaks said the emails came to them as a leak from inside, not from an outside hack, and former top NSA official William Binney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)) has said that if Russia was the source the NSA would have conclusive proof (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46012.htm).

What is striking about this controversy is that it is the CIA, not Russia, that is interfering in American elections. The CIA is supposed to be concerned with foreign intelligence. It is not supposed to interfere in US affairs. Yet it is the CIA that is using fake news to delegitimize a president-elect. One member of this operation, Bob Baer, has called for a new election (https://www.intellihub.com/there-is-a-plan-to-steal-the-election-from-the-american-people-and-trump-cia-pushes-for-new-election/) on the basis of the claim that Trump was elected by Russian interference.

The FBI does not support the claim (http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/2016/12/11/fbi-disagrees-with-cia-on-russian-influence-in-the-presidential-election/) of Russian interference.

The importance of this issue is that it is rogue elements inside the CIA who are trying to prevent Trump from becoming president.

The important question is: Why?

If neoconservative or military-security oligarchs are willing to so publicly in violation of law operate against an incoming president who could have them indicted and put on trial for high treason, wouldn’t these rogue operators also be willing to assassinate the president-elect?

The ruling oligarchy does not want any changes in policy toward Russia or the offshoring of US jobs. Clearly, they are willing to operate against a president-elect. Are they willing to go further?


The presstitute media by hyping these groundless charges
are setting up Trump for assassination.

Paul Craig Roberts SOURCE (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/12/12/rogue-elements-of-the-cia-are-operating-against-president-elect-trump-paul-craig-roberts/)



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Alex Jones Monday 12/12/16:
Michael Snyder, Wayne Madsen
(Published on Dec 12, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbSoUeWsmjQ

[turiya]

The Inside Scoop is that Somehow Trump is Protected.... as one can see, he simply proceeds along his merry way...







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The final Wisconsin vote is in
and guess what - we just
picked up an additional 131 votes.
The Dems and Green Party can now rest. Scam!

3:40 PM - 12 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808456602076545025)



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I will be making my announcement
on the next Secretary of State
tomorrow morning.

4:33 PM - 12 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808469755749339136)



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Even though I am not mandated
by law to do so, I will be leaving
my busineses before January 20th
so that I can focus full time on the......

8:26 PM - 12 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808528428123254785)



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Presidency. Two of my children,
Don and Eric, plus executives, will
manage them. No new deals will
be done during my term(s) in office.

8:32 PM - 12 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808529888630239232)



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I will hold a press conference
in the near future to discuss the
business, Cabinet picks and all other
topics of interest. Busy times!

8:41 PM - 12 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808532286664822784)

[turiya]

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Paul Joseph Watson
Dismantles Fabricated Russian Narrative (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-12/paul-joseph-watson-dismantles-fabricated-russian-narrative-created-butt-hurt-leftist)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Dec 12, 2016 6:25 PM
Paul Joseph Watson's latest video, once again, systematically deconstructs the hypocrisy of the left and their latest dangerous effort to undermine the entire 2016 presidential election by utilizing their friends in the media to spin the Russian election hacking narrative without a single shred of actual evidence. While the full video is posted below, as always below are a couple of our favorite lines.

On the left's inability to process their loss and willingness to risk anything and everything to have it overturned:

The post-election riots failed. The death threats against electoral college members failed. Jill Stein's recount failed. Your entire "fake news" narrative failed.

The left is willing to risk civil war in American and nuclear war with Russia because they're butt-hurt about losing. Let that sink in.

Not a single shred of evidence has been presented to support the claim that Russia hacked the election.

On the left's plotting to organize a coup by turning electoral college voters against Trump:

The left is now conspiring with rogue elements of the CIA to initiate an internal coup within the United States and overthrow a democratically elected President. Let that sink in.

And, of course, the hypocrisy of the left that saw no problem with Saudi Arabia bankrolling Hillary's campaign...guess they didn't consider that to be a foreign government interfering in a U.S. election?

Isn't it funny how all you democrats who cry over foreign influence had no objection whatsoever to Saudi Arabia bankrolling Hillary's campaign. You had no problem taking all that George Soros money, did you? You had no problem with the Obama State Department overthrowing the government of Ukraine. You had no problem with Obama interfering in the U.K.'s referendum on leaving the EU.

And here is the full video...Enjoy....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3EgJ7nIC0M

ZEROHEDGE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-12/paul-joseph-watson-dismantles-fabricated-russian-narrative-created-butt-hurt-leftist)

[Cidersomerset]

I have posted a lot of articles on the WW111 thread over the past couple days
because of the obvious alleged security threat and the on going demonization
of Russia by the alphabet agencies and others....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=1120196&viewfull=1#post1120196

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This is appropriate a 'comedy of errors' by criminal Hillary led to all the 'e mails,
Benghazi , Clinton foundation and decades of corruption is really to blame for her
defeat....Not that Obama would say this in public , maybe in his memoirs...LOL


President Obama explains the situation on a comedy talk/fake news site....

" You cannot make this....:bs:: up !..... " Well they can ".....:jester:


Obama Addresses Alleged Russian Election Hacking

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Published on 12 Dec 2016
President Obama is addressing the controversy over possible Russian interference
in the US Presidential election. President Obama was interviewed by Trevor Noah of
Comedy Central's The Daily Show. (Dec. 13)


Its all those pesky Russian 'Spooks' fault......:spy::spy::spy::spy::spy::spy::spy::


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Trump's Victory Reaffirmed After Wisc. Recount has 162 more votes......

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Published on 12 Dec 2016
Republican Donald Trump's victory in Wisconsin has been reaffirmed after a
presidential recount that shows he defeated Hillary Clinton by more than 22,000
votes after nearly 3 million voters were recounted. (Dec. 12)

[norman]

What the world needs right now is another Steve Pieczenik video, baaad.

This CIA / Russian agent thing is dangerous. They are on the brink of pulling it off.

I had no idea there was such a time gap between election day and the final electoral count. And, I'm amazed that even when it's done, no one will know what it is until January.

No wonder they are turning up the heat. They still have everything to play for.

I really want to hear a firm statement, from somewhere that matters, that puts them right back in their box.


edit:

At the very least, Saudi Arabia and China need to be injected into the PR spin fight.

Where's Wikileaks ?

It was the Ammo train.

[Cidersomerset]

This CIA / Russian agent thing is dangerous. They are on the brink of pulling it off.

It is , though I think the real leakers in the intel agencies will not let that happen.
At the moment its the mainstream pushing this as a backlash to the last few weeks
of the bashing they received. The public will not let them rob Trump of this , even
if they did get the ball rolling ( unless of unforeseen events ) I watched and posted
around 20/30 news pieces on the subject in the last few days and it has not got the
momentum going to force a delay on Trumps confirmation yet. But a nice wiki or
intel leak saying it was from within the US would be timely . They have already
said it was not Russia but the 17 intel agency meme is being widely used by CIA NN
and others ........

many articles on .....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69621-Ukraine-Crimea-Syria-Israel-Iran-Putin-and-World-War-III&p=1119954&viewfull=1#post1119954


Fake News Alert! CIA Claims "Swell" of Evidence Russia Hacked USA

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Published on 13 Dec 2016

Margaret Howell sits Down With Owen Shroyer to talk about all the angles
mainstream media, government agencies and Congressional members are trying to
keep President Elect Donald J. Trump from assuming the White House.

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The CIA Russian Hacker / Wikileaks Leaker Has Been Identified?

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[turiya]

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I have chosen one of the truly
great business leaders of the world,
Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil,
to be Secretary of State.

3:43 AM - 13 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808638507161882624)



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Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have just
certified my wins in those states.
I actually picked up additional votes!

3:57 AM - 13 Dec 2016

Titter Link: (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/808642018612310016)

[Cidersomerset]

THE DURAN....

UK Ambassador Craig Murray, “I’ve met the person who leaked them [Podesta
emails]…not Russian and it’s an insider”

Alex Christoforou
22 hours ago

The irony is that the CIA is accusing another country of interfering with local elections.

http://theduran.com/uk-ambassador-craig-murray-ive-met-the-person-who-leaked-them-podesta-emails-not-russian-and-its-an-insider/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11/former-uk-ambassador-blasts-cias-blatant-lies-shows-little-simple-logic-destroys-the

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/5hxxin/uk_ambassador_craig_murray_ive_met_the_person_who/

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Craig Murray came up on the Julian Assange thread recently and is activist with
good mainstream credentials as a former UK Ambassador. He is the one who is in
the news for saying that he met the DNC leaker and he is not Russian.

Remember when they were joking the other day when Trump said that Nigal Farage
would make a good US ambassador, which did not go down well with the political
elite and media over here. They made a point of portraying the job important and
needed the right person.So from that point of view they cannot call him a unreliable
witness. ( Though no doubt they will try ).....

He shows his integrity here....talking about Iraq , Afghan , Torture and political
corruption, in this short clip ...

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Craig Murray delivers an address on 23 September 2006 aboard a Peace Train on the subject of Afghanistan.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/87/Craig_Murray.jpg/220px-Craig_Murray.jpg
Personal details
Born
17 October 1958 (age 58)
West Runton, Norfolk, England
Nationality..English
Education..MA (Hons), University of Dundee

Occupation
Political activist
Former ambassador

Website..craigmurray.org.uk

Craig John Murray (born 17 October 1958 is a former British ambassador to
Uzbekistan, and was the Rector of the University of Dundee (2007–10).

While Ambassador in Tashkent, he accused the Karimov administration of human
rights abuses, which he argued was a step against the wishes of the British
government and the reason for his removal. Murray complained to the Foreign and
Commonwealth Office in November 2002, January or early February 2003, and in
June 2004 that intelligence linking the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan to al-Qaeda
was unreliable, immoral and illegal, as it was thought to have been obtained
through torture.[3] He described this as "selling our souls for dross".[4] He was
subsequently removed from his ambassadorial post on 14 October 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93937-Julian-Assange-dead-largely-exaggerated-rumors-Update-Post-2-and-others-Assange-Internet-cut&p=1116850&viewfull=1#post1116850

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This article is from well before the election and NBC and sources were clearly
blaming the Russians.....


Assange to Richard Engel: No Proof Russians Used WikiLeaks in DNC Leak | NBC
Nightly News

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Published on 25 Jul 2016

Several U.S. cybersecurity experts told NBC News that Russia had a goal of leaking
DNC emails to sow chaos in U.S. politics, but WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange
disputes those assertions.

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President-Elect Trump Rejects Analysis Of Russia Behind Election Hacks | NBC Nightly News

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Published on 12 Dec 2016
The next president has described the CIA’s assessment of Russian interference to
help get him elected as “ridiculous,” but support is building in Congress for an
investigation into the claims.

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All the questioner was worried about was...Russia , Russia , Russia did it....

Reince Priebus On Russia's Influence: 'I Don't Know Whether It's True' | Meet The
Press | NBC News . The RNC was not hacked.

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Published on 11 Dec 2016
Despite CIA report, outgoing RNC Chairman Reince Priebus says that he isn't sure
Russia tried to influence the election.

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Same again on ABC....

Reince Priebus: 'RNC Was Not Hacked'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOu55kbbeho

Published on 11 Dec 2016
The RNC chair and incoming White House chief of staff is interviewed on "This Week."

[Cidersomerset]

Ray McGovern paraphrasing : It could not of been a 'hack it was a leak ', unless the
intel agencies are playing games , because they would know exactly who it was if it
was a 'hack'....


‘No proof, no evidence, no hard facts’ that show Russia meddled in US election – America’s Lawyer

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Published on 12 Dec 2016

To discuss the latest CIA statement that concludes “Russia meddled” in the US election, former CIA
analyst Ray McGovern and host of RT America’s new show, “America’s Lawyer,” Mike Papantonio join
RT’s Simone Del Rosario. Papantonio says: “There is no proof, no evidence, and no hard facts” that
Russia meddled in the US elections.


https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/5hxxin/uk_ambassador_craig_murray_ive_met_the_person_who/


Julian Assange associate: It was a leak, not a hack and the DNC insider is NOT Russian
December 11, 2016

A hole has been blown in the Democratic Party, and mainstream media’s narrative,
that Russia was behind the leak of DNC emails to Wikileaks.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Hillary-Meme-300x291.jpg

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/12/11/julian-assange-associate-leak-not-hack-dnc-insider-not-russian-422765

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CIA NN still at it.....RUSSIA , RUSSIA , PUTIN, RUSSIA , RETALIATE !!!!!!!

Trump team disptues Russian hacking intel

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Published on 13 Dec 2016
Trump transition spokesman Jason Miller spars with CNN's Chris Cuomo over how
the incoming administration views Russian President Vladimir Putin.

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Mitch McConnell, Confident in CIA, Says Russia Investigation ‘Cannot Be A Partisan Issue’ | NBC News

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Published on 13 Dec 2016
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says “it defies belief” that some members
of his own Republican Party are ignoring findings of Russian interference in the
presidential election.

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Inside the CIA's internal battle over Russia hack claims

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Published on 13 Dec 2016
Judge Andrew Napolitano gives his take

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Kurtz: Media uproar over Trump and Exxon’s CEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NtXRPJFy74

Published on 13 Dec 2016

'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz weighs in on the biased and negative coverage from
the media surrounding Trump's cabinet picks

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CIA Agent Admits “No Evidence” for “Fact” of Election Tampering

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Published on 13 Dec 2016

Win or lose, Trump was and will be accused by the establishment of “undermining
our system of government”. But we look at who is really undermining it and the
tactics they’re using. The establishment of BOTH parties has been openly working
toward shutting down independent media and free thought for years. Now they
have created a “Global Engagement Center” to fight what Hillary calls an “epidemic
of fake news”, funding it with $180M, operating it through the bureaucrats she left
behind at the State Department and authorizing it by slipping it into the NDAA at
the last moment on Friday.

[Cidersomerset]

I just saw this segment on France 24 a snippet from a longer interview
and Donald says he does not need to be briefed everyday , Mike Pence
and his generals are keeping on top of that. This is quite telling for me
he has plenty to do sorting out his administration and 'tweeting'...LOL

But seriously those generals are not going to standby and watch Trump
get railroaded I don't think...:shielddeflect:

http://static1.uk.businessinsider.com/image/58484defdd089531448b4e41-480/generals.jpg
Trump's Cabinet is starting to look like the staff of one of the most storied units of
the Iraq War

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trumps-marine-general-picks-iraq-war-2016-12


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Published on 13 Dec 2016
Subscribe to France 24 now :

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Keiser Report: Fake News (E1005, ft. Alex Jones from Infowars)

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Published on 13 Dec 2016
In this episode of the Keiser Report from Austin, Texas, Max and Stacy discuss the
mainstream media pushing their hashtag fake news blacklists as alt-media rejects
fake narrative values to eat mainstream media’s naked lunch with acid memes and
information liberation. In the second half, Max interviews Alex Jones of
Infowars.com about Hillary Clinton signaling him out as a media disinfo agent and
now the post-election media jumping on the bandwagon.

[BMJ]

But seriously those generals are not going to standby and watch Trump get railroaded I don't think...:shielddeflect:

Meet General James "Mad Dog" Mattis – Donald Trump's Defense Secretary

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"The Don" on "General James "Mad Dog" Mattis, who is being considered for Secretary of Defense, was very impressive yesterday. A true General's General!"

[ThePythonicCow]

I had no idea there was such a time gap between election day and the final electoral count.
The election dates were set over two centuries ago, when it took days, by horseback, to travel between further states, even just those on the east coast of the US.

[Cidersomerset]

James Corbetts views of the current media events .....mainly 'Fake' news...


The Abnormalization of Dissent

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Published on 13 Dec 2016


SHOW NOTES: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=20792

The spin, lies, manipulation and deceptions are coming so fast and thick it's increasingly
difficult to document them all, let alone analyze them. But in the broad sweep of recent
events we can see a common theme emerging: the abnormalization of dissent. And
when political ideology boils down to nothing more than "real" and "fake" the control
of political discourse through language itself is almost complete. Can outright
censorship be far behind?

[turiya]

The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/)

http://www.drr.mdfsa.lk/images/WebSlides/DRR-Web-Slide-A6.jpg

CNN REVEALS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE
OF RUSSIA HACKING ELECTION (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/12/12/cnn-reveals-conclusive-evidence-of-russia-hacking-election/)
Posted on December 12, 2016
by JimQ

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SOURCE (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/12/12/cnn-reveals-conclusive-evidence-of-russia-hacking-election/)

[DNA]

This deal with the CIA saying Russia hacked the election is really gaining momentum.
Apparently per Alex Jones, Nancy Pelosi's daughter is meeting with the electors and presenting them with a CIA presentation stating that they should either break line and vote for Hillary and or not give the electoral for their state to Trump. This is scary efing stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDBFcWFurfc
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[Bob]

Hacking, or Leaking, or WhistleBlowing - each term means different things.. very important !


Leaking the contents (without changing the data on the server), is not HACKING..

Where we see "hacking over and over" being mentioned in attempts to de-legitimatize Trump's win, to describe LEAKED emails, as "Hacked Emails" is wrong.

The issues get muddied, no doubt deliberately by the parties 'spinning' the contents off Hillary's illegal home-grown server.. as there is no reason to "get in and change" server data (HACKING), but to discover due to poor security no doubt, contents of numerous emails..

That one should differentiate such "Leaked" emails contained awful information about underhanded activity is not "hacking" (change of contents on the server); the 'leaking" of such taken from a poorly secured server were provided to various news services to "Publish" their contents. Napolitano says NSA not Russia, not "Putin" did that. It is EASY for NSA for instance to SPOOF locations to make it seem like the invading address is coming from anywhere.

see - http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/flashback-judge-napolitano-says-nsa-not-russians-hacked-dnc-video/

Judge Napolitano a consultant for Fox for instance has been weighing in since August on the LEAKED emails taken off Hillary's server and from data retrieved from the DNC emails.

Flashback: Judge Napolitano Says It Was The NSA, Not The Russians

Since making these statements (below) Napolitano has corrected the terminology of HACKING to LEAKING (as seen on Fox news live, 12 December 2016). He did NOT change his view that it most likely was NSA, NOT RUSSIA that got into the servers to get a hold of the emails.


On his show “Judge Napolitano’s Chambers”, Judge Nap shared his own thoughts on the leaked DNC emails:

The DNC and Clinton campaign decided to blame of all people, the Russians! They accused Vlademir Putin of being in cahoots with Donald Trump and having his intelligence services hack the DNC to expose e-mails to make Mrs. Clinton look bad and thereby benefit Donald Trump. But the Russians had nothing to do with it.

….a former high ranking NSA official who developed a software that the NSA now uses said the NSA hacked {correction "leaked"} the DNC…the members of the intelligence community simply do not want Hillary Clinton to be President of the United States because she doesn’t know how to handle State secrets.

The left has been beating this ‘Russian drum’ for several months now. Russian hacking is one of the many false narratives that the left has been pushing in order to deny President Elect Trump his fully earned legitimacy.

Examples:
Bart Simpson finds on Principle Skinner's desk, the secret password to sign on to the School's Computer - (poor security, ignorance about proper security protocols, don't leave passwords around).

Bart goes to the Library, and accesses the server. That is not HACKING, as Bart has used a legitimate password left out in the open.

Bart reads private emails from Principle Skinner to Edna Krabappel, they are sexy, lewd, and descriptive. Bart copies those and publishes them in his Blog, "Skinner is a Sinner". This is an action of LEAKING. Did Bart break in? He had a password which was left in the OPEN, he did not change anything on the server; copied and published (Leaked) private emails.. Ethical??

Bart finds his PERMANENT Record and Grades in the server, in a folder. He goes in and CHANGES the data, to reveal that he has had a few A's, some B's and has many compliments as being a "great student" and asset to the community.. H A C K I N G is what that would be classed as..


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GroundsKeeper Willy discovers that the turtles to be used in the biology class are LIVE TURTLES and will be euthanized in chloroform prior to the students cutting them open.. Willy freaks out and WhistleBlows to the SPCA that the School is being CRUEL to Animals - example of WHISTLEBLOWING.. Ethical revelation or not?


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[Cidersomerset]

What B------'s ....Now Putin interfered with Brexit ....The US/UK intel agencies are
intertwined at certain levels so we should not be surprised of this joint attack on Russia...

We have been spying on everyone and each other for decades and some idiots in Westmister
and Washington are having their strings pulled from Cheltenham and Langley among others.


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Published on 13 Dec 2016

A LABOUR MP today claimed it is “highly probable” Russia interfered to influence the Brexit vote.

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HUFFINGTON POST.....

Russia Interfered In The EU Referendum Campaign, Claims Labour MP Ben Bradshaw

13/12/2016 15:43

Vladimir Putin probably interfered in the EU referendum campaign, a Labour MP has claimed.

Ben Bradshaw said on Tuesday the West needed to “wake up” to Russia’s use of propaganda
and cyber warfare to influence democratic elections around the world.Speaking during today’s
emergency Commons debate on the crisis in Syria, the former cabinet minister said “dictators
like Assad and Putin only respect strength and the credible threat of, or the use of, force”.


“Russia’s strategy is to weaken and divide the free world,” Bradshaw said. “Not only the interface,
now proven, in the American presidential campaign - probably in our own referendum last year.
We don’t have the evidence for that yet but I think it is highly probable.”Bradshaw said the Russia
had “certainly” interfered in the French presidential election and warned the were “serious concerns”
in the German security services that Putin was attempting to influence the German elections.

“I don’t think we have even began to wake up to what Russia is doing when it comes to cyber warfare,” he said.

Read more....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/russia-interfered-in-the-eu-referendum-campaign-claims-labour-mp-ben-bradshaw_uk_5850066ee4b0b7ff851e4d75?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-704235983_uk-ttg

[turiya]

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The Deep State vs. Donald Trump (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/12/virgil-the-deep-state-vs-donald-trump/)

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by Virgil
12 Dec 2016


1. The War Against Trump

Do the Democrats want Donald Trump to become the 45th president? Of course not. And how about the Democrats’ handmaiden, the Main Stream Media? Do they want Trump in the White House? Of course not. And how ‘bout all the other affluent residents of the Washington “swamp,” which Trump has pledged to drain—do you think any of them want Trump? Of course not. Together, these anti-Trump constituencies help form what has been called the Deep State (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States), which is a real and serious thing, and which we will explore further in a moment.

Yet first, we can take a look at the latest news, because let’s not kid ourselves: These anti-Trump constituencies might have lost the 2016 presidential election at the ballot box, but they don’t intend to lose their power. And to that end, they have real clout, and they are using it.

In particular, wily in the ways of Washington, the anti-Trumpers are operating behind the scenes, using their well-greased legal and political machinery to block the President-elect, or at least to discredit and de-legitimize him, such that his presidency is crippled. And as a part of that backroom effort, the MSM is always ready with a supportive, momentum-building headline or two—or two thousand.

We all remember the anti-Trump protests that immediately erupted after the election—some of them, it would seem, funded by George Soros and his ilk (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/heres-proof-soros-money-funding-anti-trump-leftist-protest-riots/). But such “guerrilla theater” in the streets was just an overture; the real battle, today, is in the suites.

So on Saturday, December 10, Sen. Harry Reid, the outgoing leader of the Senate Democrats, helped set the new anti-Trump agenda in an appearance on MSNBC; hence this headline: “Reid: Russian Involvement In Election ‘A Hanging Chad 1,000 Times Over,’ Trump ‘Lost the Election.’ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/12/10/reid-russian-involvement-in-election-a-hanging-chad-1000-times-over-trump-lost-the-election/)” The words “hanging chad,” of course, are a reference to the 2000 presidential election—that being another time when the Democrats lost and responded by seeking to derail the victor, Republican George W. Bush.

Today, the looming flashpoint, of course, is the December 19 convening of the electoral college (https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html). Normally, these sessions in the 50 states are just a formality, in which the 538 electors ratify the candidate who won the most electoral votes as the next president. And since Trump won 306 electoral votes in November, a clear majority, there should be no doubt as to who will be inaugurated on January 20—but maybe there is.

Yes, we must ask:


What will actually happen on the 19th of this month?

For weeks now, Harvard Law School professor Lawrence Lessig has been agitating to overturn the presidential election results. Back on November 24, he wrote in The Washington Post that the electoral college should meet and vote Hillary Clinton into the White House (https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html).

Since then, Lessig has helped to form a group, HamiltonElectors.com, aimed at encouraging “faithless electors,” of which there have been a few over the years, to be faithless, now, in record numbers. Today, Lessig’s website says merely that it wants the electors to break from Trump and vote for a “qualified Republican alternative.”

But of course, in such a chaotic situation, if the electors feel free to break faith with their commitment to Trump, anything could happen. And Lessig himself is just as much of a Democrat as ever and so, too, we can assume, are his financial backers. (Interestingly, the site is rather coy about the identity of its funders.)

As the Lessig site declares, “Together We Can Stop Trump.” Yes, that’s one goal, and yet it’s also safe to assume that if Lessig & Co. get what they really want, then Hillary will become the 45th president.

And in fact, one Republican elector, Christopher Suprun of Texas, has already declared that he won’t vote for Trump next week. And guess what: Suprun has become a hero to The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/why-i-will-not-cast-my-electoral-vote-for-donald-trump.html) and the rest of the MSM.

So in the meantime, for the next week or so, the anti-Trump goal is simply to encourage chaos because from their point of view, only good things could happen. And here, once again, the always dutiful Politico is happy to help; hence this trio of headlines, which are just a sampling: “Rogue electors brief Clinton camp on anti-Trump plan,” “Washington state presidential electors file third lawsuit in anti-Trump effort,” and “Dem congressman: Electoral College has ‘right’ to weigh Russian hacking.”

And just on December 12 came the news—or perhaps we should we put “news” in quotes, since it’s just a press release—that the Hillary Clinton campaign wants the electoral college to be “briefed” on the Russia hacking allegations (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/12/john-podesta-fuels-russian-conspiracy-theory-urges-electoral-college-revisit-election/)—which presumably means rehashing all the news stories. In other words, the Clinton campaign wants yet another chance to rehash the same suppositions and suspicions, as opposed to actual facts, of which there seem to be none. Again, the mission is simple: throw sand in the gears of the constitutional machinery.

Meanwhile, others are joining the anti-Trump effort. For example, here’s another one of CNN’s contributions to the anti-Trump cause, focused on the words of Robert Baer, who made a name for himself as a critic of George W. Bush in the ‘00s: “Ex-CIA operative: We may need a new vote (http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/12/10/robert-baer-new-election-russia-hacking-nr.cnn).”

There’s nothing in the Constitution, of course, about a presidential-election do-over, and so there’s zero precedent for any such national re-vote, and yet, as we have seen, the minimum goal of the anti-Trump forces is to sow massive confusion.

And in the wake of such confusion, what if on December 19 a few electors were to suggest, say, a delay in the vote of the electoral college? Once again, this is all highly hypothetical, but it’s a safe bet that somewhere, some gang of law professors is feverishly writing a brief declaring that such action is not only desirable, but also fully legal and constitutional. And so now, if they can only find a friendly judge...

Still, in the end, it’s hard for Virgil to believe that these machinations to stop the electoral college from voting for Trump on the 19th will be successful.

And so, in the event of an actual President Trump, the anti-Trumpers have their Plan B. And that is this:

The anti-Trumpers will systematically defame and degrade the 45th president with an eye toward paralyzing his effectiveness in office and hopefully making him a one-termer—or less.

Whoa, the reader might be saying. Less than a one-termer? Really? Yes, that’s the hope of hardcore anti-Trumpers, such as David Brooks of The New York Times, who wrote on November 11 that Trump will “probably resign or be impeached within a year.” That’s the level of hatred that the elite harbors for Trump.

So in this coming post-campaign campaign, the anti-Trumpers will start as they started with George W. Bush, 16 years ago: The new Republican president lost the popular vote, he has no mandate, and no true legitimacy in office.

After that, the anti-Trumpers will advance their next theme: the purported “Russia Connection.” That was a common enough theme during the 2016 election campaign, but the opening gun in the renewed effort was fired on December 9, when The Washington Post headlined, “Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.95f73484911c).” As the Post put it:

The CIA has concluded in a secret assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than just to undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system, according to officials briefed on the matter.
That’s rather an incendiary accusation, eh?—that the Russians actively plotted to interfere in an American presidential election. (One wonders whatever happened to Hillary Clinton’s 2009 “re-set” of relations with Russia.)

We can note that the evidence cited in the Post story is thin to non-existent; we must trust the newspaper when it quotes an unnamed source described only as “a senior U.S. official briefed on an intelligence presentation made to U.S. senators,” saying:

It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favor one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected. . . . That’s the consensus view.

One’s first reaction is to say, “Gee, it certainly is interesting that a ‘secret CIA assessment’ found its way on to the front page of the Post.” Obviously, the anti-Trump forces have a lot of little helpers in the government, leaking like crazy, and in the MSM, lapping up the leaks. That’s the Deep State in action, and we’ll get to that shortly.

And the second reaction is to echo what the office of the President-elect said in response: “These are the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.”

Indeed, one can also add that the same “intel community” has been so highly politicized in the Obama years that it has also told us, with a straight face, that “climate change” is a dire national security threat (http://time.com/4101903/climate-change-national-security/), perhaps the most dire. In fact, Secretary of State John Kerry has made that assertion at least 22 times (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/14/22-times-obama-admin-declared-climate-change-greater-threat-terrorism/). And we’re supposed to trust these people?

Interestingly, even as the Russia-did-it storyline played out, actual evidence, let alone proof, that the Russians aimed to tilt the election was, well, non-existent. The New York Times, which never misses a chance to whack Trump, splashed the story on its front page, again, on December 12 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/11/us/politics/cia-judgment-intelligence-russia-hacking-evidence.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0), but even it had to admit that there was no actual evidence that the Russians were trying to help Trump—it’s simply their new considered opinion:

The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday. Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence—evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments—that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.

Assuming that the Times is accurately reflecting the consensus opinion inside the CIA, we are left to wonder what could be motivating the agency to put forth such a strong, but evidence-less, opinion. And to help answer that question, we might turn to a December 10 story (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/10/how-russian-hackers-can-blackmail-donald-trump-and-the-gop.html) in The Daily Beast, reporting on the anti-Trump angst inside the agency:

“There’s a real revolt going on,” said a former intelligence officer of the CIA leaks, citing discussions with former colleagues. “They don’t like [National Security Adviser nominee Michael] Flynn and they hate Trump’s guts. [emphasis added]

Is that really the explanation for all this leaking? They “hate Trump’s guts”? And for that reason, CIA personnel are willing to twist the intelligence and traduce the reputation of their agency? Virgil can only say: If the men and women of the CIA felt so strongly against Trump, maybe they should have donated more to the Hillary Clinton campaign—that would have been an honest expression of their view, as opposed to a sneak attack, post-election.

2. The Dimensions of the Deep State

So now let’s get to the corpus of what we’re talking about. The term “Deep State” refers to the complex of bureaucrats, technocrats, and plutocrats that likes things just the way they are and wants to keep them like that—elections be damned.

Some might say that “Deep State” is just a synonym for the “Establishment,” and yet “Deep State” refers to a larger grouping, not just to the stereotypical elite “chattering class.” We can also observe that a Deep State can be found in just about every country in the world, but our focus here, of course, is on the United States.

And here in America, the Deep State has its own political consciousness, and it aims to survive any change of government with its collective will—and self-interest—fully intact.

Normally, the Deep State is hidden, albeit, at the same time, hiding in plain sight. That is, while nobody has “Deep State” on his or her business card, the reality of the Deep State is overwhelming: It’s not just the hulking office buildings of the Federal Triangle in downtown DC, it’s also the taxpayer-funded mini-metropolises that have sprouted up in Bethesda, Maryland, Crystal City, Virginia, and a dozen other hubs in and around the I-495 Beltway. (Hence the familiar phrase, “Beltway Bandits”; Virgil can attest that federal contractors have assumed a kind of ironic affection for that phrase—at least in their private conversations.)

A careful taxonomy of the Deep State must begin, of course, with the governmental bureaucracy, which, because of civil-service protections, does not change when one political party or the other takes control of the White House or Congress. Today, there are about 2.8 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_civil_service) civilian federal employees, as well 1.3 million (http://www.defense.gov/About-DoD) in the uniformed military.

And yet in citing the number of government employees, we’ve only scratched the surface, because for every “public servant,” there seems to be one or more private-sector operator. To illustrate this phenomenon, we can take a snapshot of just one federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security. It’s been estimated that at least 100,000 private contractors (http://federalnewsradio.com/management/2015/03/how-many-contractors-does-the-government-have/) work at DHS—although nobody really knows, and some estimates go much higher.

Indeed, the sheer unknowability of the federal contractor empire is a common theme in Beltway journalism. Hence this headline (http://www.govexec.com/contracting/2015/03/even-cbo-stumped-size-contractor-workforce/107436/) from March 12, 2015, appearing in Government Executive magazine: “Even CBO Is Stumped on the Size of the Contractor Workforce.” The “CBO,” of course, is the Congressional Budget Office. That’s right, even the budget agency of Congress can’t figure out the true number—although some would say that lawmakers have never really wanted to know.

These contractors, many of whom are former federal employees, are well compensated. Here, for example, is a 2013 headline from The Washington Times: “Executive pay balloons for federal contractors (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/22/executive-pay-balloons-for-federal-contractors/).” The Times identified at least 77 contractors whose revenue came from the federal government and paid their top five executives more than $3 million a year, for an average of $600,000 each. And where do these big salaries come from? From big markups, of course. To cite just one of a million possible examples, one company sold Apple MacBook Pro computers to Uncle Sam for markups of between $2000 and $4000 each.

So as we can see, the Deep State is much larger, and wealthier, than just the bureaucrats. Funded by a federal government that will spend more than $4 trillion this year, the Deep State includes all the wheeler-dealers, plus the hired-gun experts, lawyers, think-tankers, foundation executives, and others that have sometimes been dubbed the “New Class.”

And the proof that this New Class is doing well can be found in the Census data, which show that four of the five richest counties in the US (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States) are in the DC metro area.

And it’s this luxe life, which has reached its apex under Barack Obama, that finds itself threatened by the drain-the-swamp pledge of Trump. As The New York Times headlined its so-sad story on November 13, “A Newly Vibrant Washington Fears That Trump Will Drain Its Culture (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/14/us/politics/a-newly-vibrant-washington-fears-that-trump-will-drain-its-culture.html).”

Yet in fact, the Deep State extends well beyond Washington. In 2011, Suzanne Mettler, a professor at Cornell University, published The Submerged State: How Invisible Government Policies Undermine American Democracy (https://www.amazon.com/Submerged-State-Invisible-Government-Undermine/dp/0226521656). Mettler is no conspiracy-theorist; her argument is that federal policies, notably tax deductions and credits, have had the effect of encouraging the growth of government in ways that most people never notice. Mettler’s work is controversial, insofar as she equates taxes that the government did not collect with actual government spending. And yet the author has a point, because to the extent that the tax law encourages or discourages behavior, it is, in fact, a kind of government policy. And the total annual value of these tax incentives has been estimated at nearly $1 trillion (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-are-largest-tax-expenditures). For better or worse, that’s a lot of money for a lot of people.

And then there’s the cost of regulation. Annual federal regulatory compliance costs—that is, the expense of dealing with all that red tape—are estimated to total at least $2 trillion (https://cei.org/10KC/Chapter-1). And yet we must add this important note: For all the millions of businesses and individuals who must pay the cost of regulation, there are plenty of others who benefit, at least in the short run, from that regulation. And these perverse beneficiaries, we can further observe, are more likely be acutely aware of how their bread is buttered—here’s looking at you, solar-power industry!—and will thus be all more determined to defend the status quo.

And while we’re at it, in our Deep State examination, let’s not forget the whole huge cluster of federal loans and loan guarantees. Once again, nobody really knows how much all that costs, but estimates range from hundreds of billions (https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/57xx/doc5751/08-19-creditsubsidies.pdf) (annually) to many trillions (https://thinkprogress.org/major-analysis-federal-loans-and-loan-guarantees-have-a-huge-benefit-but-a-low-and-predicatable-cost-9f263b21d94#.xm1uwuf2i) (cumulatively).

Not surprisingly, the beneficiaries of all this federal easy money tend to stay quiet about their winnings, but some are vocal. Here, for example, is a 2015 headline from The Los Angeles Times; “Elon Musk defends $4.9 billion in government money for his companies (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-elon-musk-defends-subsidies-20150601-htmlstory.html).”

Of course, in our survey of the dimensions of the Deep State, we haven’t even touched on state and local government; their expenditures, in 2012, were estimated to total $2.59 trillion (http://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-local-finance-initiative/projects/state-and-local-backgrounders/state-and-local-expenditures). Moreover, that dollar total doesn’t include the sort of the “submerged” expenditures that Mettler and others have described.

To sum up, in 2015, the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimated that the total number of federal, state, and local employees is 21,995,000 (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/21955000-12329000-government-employees-outnumber-manufacturing). And yet again, the real workforce could be much larger: Iain Murray of the Competitive Enterprise Institute has estimated that the true size of the governmental workforce actually totals 40 million Americans (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/258768/leviathan-iain-murray).

3. A Closer Look at the Deep State’s Campaign Against Trump

Okay, so we have seen some ways of measuring the size of the Deep State; it is, indeed, an incredible hulk. And yet the reader might ask: Does that mean that all of those 20 million, or even 40 million, people are opposed to Trump?

And the answer, of course, is “No.” It’s a cinch that quite a few public employees were and are Trump supporters. And yet at the same time, it would be naive not to realize that Trump fans are the minority within the Deep State. Moreover, it’s safe to say that most of the leadership of the Deep State—that being, at best, a hazy category—is solidly in the anti-Trump camp.

This anti-Trump hostility, we might note, is now more visible—even in entities that might be thought of as being on the right, such as the military and other organizations dedicated to national security. And why is that? One obvious reason is that liberal Democrats have controlled the executive branch for 16 of the last 24 years, and so there’s been plenty of time to cultivate liberals—even liberal activists—within the ranks and to bring them to the pinnacles of bureaucratic power.

As we know, the Pentagon has not been immune from various forms of political correctness (http://nypost.com/2013/04/11/perils-of-a-politically-correct-pentagon/) over the years; indeed, many of the most ambitious careerists within DOD have often been leading the leftward charge. To be sure, the vast bulk of our nation’s warriors are staunch believers in Douglas MacArthur’s trinity of “duty, honor, country,” and so they stood up and cheered, for example, on December 7, when Admiral Harry Harris ripped into anti-American football player Colin Kaepernick.

Yet still, during the Obama years, such patriots have been layered over by liberal apparatchiks. And the same left-pushing syndrome has been equally true of all federal security agencies.

In other words, there’s a power struggle that’s coming inside many government units: the pro-Obama old guard vs. the pro-Trump new guard.

Yet for now, at least until January 20, the Obamans are in charge. And so that might explain this December 11 headline in The Washington Post: “Trump, CIA on collision course over Russia’s role in election.”

Indeed, there’s a lot of institutional throw-weight lined up against Trump.

And that institutional opposition to Trump has plenty of allies, including among many Republicans. So the reader might ask: How many Republican Never Trumpers are to be found within the ranks of the anti-Trumpers of the Deep State? And the answer to that question appears to be, many.

On December 10, for example, Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI), a libertarian Republican gadfly always hostile to Trump, tweeted in response to the Trump team’s statement denying any Russia connection:

Transition team’s dismissive statement doesn’t cut it. Congress must determine if there’s credible evidence and investigate if necessary.

In the meantime, more prominent Republicans, such as Sen. Lindsey Graham and Sen. John McCain, having never made any secret of their disdain for Trump, are now actively working with the Democrats, preparing to besiege the Trump administration.

Graham, we might recall, even volunteered that he voted for Evan McMullin (http://www.mediaite.com/online/lindsey-graham-announces-he-voted-for-evan-mcmullin/). And where did McMullin make his career? Why, the CIA. Small world! And although McMullin received less than half a percent of the vote in November, he continues to attack Trump (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/309830-mcmullin-slams-trump-over-russia-tillerson-reports), and the MSM continues to chronicle his every spiteful word.

And now Graham and McCain, joined by the Democrats, are determined to push a Congressional investigation of Trump’s alleged connections to Russia (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/lindsey-graham-democrats-investigations-russia-hacking/). As Graham and McCain, joined by two Democrats, Sens. Chuck Schumer and Jack Reed, said in a joint statement on Sunday, “This cannot become a partisan issue,” adding, “The stakes are too high for our country.”

Without minimizing the importance of putting a halt to cyber-attacks on America, wherever they might come from, we can translate this statement:

It’s not a partisan issue, it’s an institutional issue: Deep State vs. Trump.

Such Congressional investigations, we might add, have a way of taking on a life of their own, lumbering forward forever, like some sort of relentless Terminator. And so, even as terrorist bombs are going off across the world, the Congressional branch of the Deep State is focusing on the enemy it truly wants to terminate—Trump.

For its part, the MSM is always happy to push the narrative that the anti-Trump effort is both necessary and bipartisan: hence this December 11 headline in The New York Times, “Trump, Mocking Claim That Russia Hacked Election, at Odds with G.O.P. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/politics/trump-mocking-claim-that-russia-hacked-election-at-odds-with-gop.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)” As the Times put it:

An extraordinary breach has emerged between President-elect Donald J. Trump and the national security establishment, with Mr. Trump mocking American intelligence assessments that Russia interfered in the election on his behalf, and top Republicans vowing investigations into Kremlin activities.

And whatever happens with the Congressional investigation in the short run, it’s a certainty that investigative reporters, would-be muckrakers, foundation-funded documentary filmmakers, and other self-appointed culture creators will be working this story for the long run—the very long run. Even if they can’t succeed in driving Trump out of office, they can hope to pin an “asterisk” on Trump’s historical legacy, so that he is always remembered, at least in certain quarters, as Putin’s President.

So there it is: the Deep State, in all its power, and its fury. It stretches across the whole of the federal government—indeed, the entirety of the country. And it includes not only bureaucrats, but also a galaxy of contractors, profiteers, and others in the nominal private sector. And it includes not only Democrats, but also Republicans. And oh yes, the MSM and the chattering class.


In other words, a great power struggle is under way:
The Deep State vs. Trump.

And so one last question: Who’s likely to prevail? We can answer by observing that Trump has done well so far, and yet we can also observe that the Deep State hasn’t given up, and probably never will.

SOURCE (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/12/virgil-the-deep-state-vs-donald-trump/)

[KiwiElf]

I'm sitting here, drinking my coffee and smiling; this whole thing is a spectacular example of selective perception (seeing what we want to see while disregarding any and every thing that opposes our point of view), and cognitive dissonance, with a generous sprinkling of denial. They don't "see" because they don't "look." :)

About the time of the elections, it was stated by Wikileaks, that the "then" leaks about the DNC, Clinton Foundation & Hillary etc, came from the inside, not Russia. I guess the Trump haters weren't paying attention then or now.

As for BREXIT now being blamed on Russia as well - LOL, don't let a good bit of hysteria go to waste. A peurile and pointless case of "Jumping on the band wagon", plain and simple. And it will fail. :)

[Cidersomerset]

As for BREXIT now being blamed on Russia as well - LOL


I keep thinking of David Ickes gut prediction back around 2008/9 that he saw
nothing happening in 2012 but 2016/17/18 were going to be pivotal years and
whether you follow his work or not , 2016 certainly has been pivotal and 2017 looks
like more of the same.....

I found one of the vids he says it on from oct 2009 and posted it a few days ago
on this recent thread and U'tube has taken it down and I cannot find it again. Intel
groups ? or just another coincidence.......He has said it many times and you might
of heard him. I obviously have as I have watched hundreds of vids long and brief...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94881-David-Icke-Educating-a-mainstream-journalist-Med-Monnica-Sepulveda-Pizzagate-vid-cast.&p=1119227&viewfull=1#post1119227



The biggest difference for me is the alternate media and access to the web , both
at threat by mainstream politicians and media as they see their monopoly of
'spin' and power under threat......


Accusations of ‘Russian hacking’ abound – but where’s the evidence?

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Published on 13 Dec 2016

RT correspondent Alexey Yaroshevsky discusses the widespread allegations of
Russian hacking in the 2016 election. If Russia did illegally intervene in the election
to ensure a Trump victory, then why won't Obama release all the forensic
evidence? And why did mainstream media claims of Russian meddling appear with
such convenient timing?

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David talking about the coming crackdown on alternate media earlier in the year...

The War On Conspiracy Theories - The David Icke Videocast/Podcast Trailer

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Published on 15 Jul 2016

Many articles daily.....

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Browsing: Big Brother

https://www.davidicke.com/category/260/big-brother

[KiwiElf]

The Cabal is grasping at straws - look at the global picture - they're dropping like flies (dominoes?)
The more they tighten their fists, the easier it is to slip out between the cracks (and those cracks are now becoming ... very large!). It's just a matter of time... ;)

[turiya]

The Cabal is grasping at straws - look at the global picture - they're dropping like flies (dominoes?)
The more they tighten their fists, the easier it is to slip out between the cracks (and those cracks are now becoming ... very large!). It's just a matter of time... ;)

This time... I don't know... something is going on. Everything they - the Cabal - tries to do to Trunp, it blows right back into their faces. Trump seems to have some kind of protection, or a force field around him... don't know how long it will last. But he seems to be riding with some kind of fair-wind on his back. It just amazing to be able to witness what is going on... there is so much that he is up against... so much more to get through... there's that pack of neocons that want to throw him under the bus. Its great to witness this! I mean to see how he remains unfazed by what is going on. What a show!

[KiwiElf]

You got it ;) (and yes, he is :Angel:)

[ThePythonicCow]

Ken, over at RedefiningGod.com (http://redefininggod.com/2016/12/your-guide-to-the-electoral-college-coup-and-counter-coup/), remains convinced that this is not a "Deep State vs Donald Trump" battle.

Rather the really Deep State, the real globalists, are setting us up for a larger disaster in Syria, leading to an overhaul of the United Nations, giving the UN more power, and removing the UN Security Council veto power of its five permanent members, China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The US will claim that they could have solved the Syrian problem earlier, but for Russian vetos, and Russia will make the same claims, blaming US vetos.

The various controversies over the US Presidential election are not aimed at getting Hillary Clinton elected. She's out (in Ken's view, and I agree.) Rather these controversies are aimed at making sure the election is not decided by noon, 21 January 2017, when current President Obama's term (and Vice President Biden's term) both end. That will place current Speaker of the House Paul Ryan in the office of the President, for the time being, until the election is decided at a later date, in favor of Donald Trump.

Ryan (unlike Obama) can be counted on to lead the US into a quick and dreadful escalation of the war in Syria, creating the out-cry needed to motivate these changes to the United Nations charter.

Paul Ryan, the temporary President until the Election can be decided, will bring the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust between Russia and the US. The US Military will refuse to obey Ryan's orders, thus pulling us all back from the brink of destruction. Then the US Presidential election will finally be decided for Trump and Trump will begin working with Putin and other world leaders to introduce a new multi-national world political and military structure guided by the overhauled United Nations (UN), and a new multi-currency monetary system, guided by the Bank of International Settlement (BIS).

The half-century reign of the Bush/Clinton/Neocon/CIA crime syndicate and their world dominance in covert, military and intelligence operations, drug running, arms sales, will come to an end.

Meanwhile, on the monetary/economic front, the long awaited collapse (that I have been predicting "any month now", since at least Friday, April 10, 2009 (http://thepythoniccow.blogspot.com/) <grin>) will begin, motivating similarly large changes in the world's monetary system, unseating King Dollar as the world's reserve currency, and reconstituting the Federal Reserve (Fed) as just another national central bank. The Fed will no longer be a key locus of control and management of the world's monetary system.

The real globalists plans for a new world order will be welcomed far and wide, around the planet.