Transition into Trump

[BMJ]

This celebration of an evil man makes me nauseous!


You only think this way because you've been brainwashed by the MSM. You have to learn to think and feel for yourself. Trumps actions have been nothing but amazing so far.
The evil in this country has been the leadership of the CIA and it's eternal aim to keep killing people all over the world with their puppet leaders in Washington DC. Never before have we had a leader willing to stand up to them and their MSM mouthpieces.

I am so far from brainwashed, and I do not deny for a moment the lies and deceit that have been ruling this planet, but that you honestly think this egomaniacal man is somehow our savior is what is most laughable and brainwashed to me!

Yet again a totally useless commentary designed to cause chaos, no facts nothing of any value.

[Flash]

Gosh Paula, you are completely right, also for the white overlay, the chopper, everything. Find a way to send this analysis to Trump and Alex Jones maybe.

That I like Trump or not does not matter, this is simply totally disgusting what the media and the oligarchy is doing, lying in our face full time and trying to change history full fledge. They will do everything to jeopardize Trump and America it seems. This will end up going into history books as the greatest sham, this 20-21st centuries.




PdantUf5tXg

Notice how there’s no movement of the people when they zoom in.
They also zoom in at timely places to enhance the illusion and confusion.
They run the video so fast that people wouldn’t take the time to notice the inconsistencies.


Here’s a 20 frame sequence where there’s a helicopter and then none and then it all of a sudden it appears in a single frame and then it’s gone. Was the film spliced?


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/helicopter_zpsysaz2zdf.GIF


Here’s ten consecutive frames slowed down. Check out the white overlay to cover the people. And check out the buildings particularly the ones on the right. There’s no clear sequential frames from start to finish. Note: the frames are not aligned. It is not because I did not line them up. It’s their frames sliced together over time.

Note, the range of light and dark in these ten consecutive frames as if they hand picked frames to create an illusion of low attendance.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/overlay_zpsnfckn2sl.GIF

[Tinman]

This celebration of an evil man makes me nauseous!


You only think this way because you've been brainwashed by the MSM. You have to learn to think and feel for yourself. Trumps actions have been nothing but amazing so far.
The evil in this country has been the leadership of the CIA and it's eternal aim to keep killing people all over the world with their puppet leaders in Washington DC. Never before have we had a leader willing to stand up to them and their MSM mouthpieces.

I am so far from brainwashed, and I do not deny for a moment the lies and deceit that have been ruling this planet, but that you honestly think this egomaniacal man is somehow our savior is what is most laughable and brainwashed to me!

Yet again a totally useless commentary designed to cause chaos, no facts nothing of any value.

I hope the mods step in and delete your posts.

However, I do appreciate the Tinman name and photo they are very appropriate.

I will not be bullied and there is no reason to delete my posts as they are all clearly stating my feelings on the matter and obviously quite incapable of causing any "chaos" Just because I do not agree with the constant Trump praise apparently means I have to be called names and censored. once again, not the Avalon. I once knew.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I believe I've said what I wanted to say and that I feel this forum has been taken over by Trump propaganda.

о нет! We've been discovered!

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[raregem]

Re: photo of the mall and how many people were there
OMG posted this link of the inauguration and mall. You can see the amount of people filling in.........
Very nice photo, thanks OMG.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/...ion-gigapixel/

I tested this copied link and it won't work for me.
OMG posted title: Inauguration Gigapixel. Has link.

[Flash]

On this thread they are pro Trump.

Personnally, I could not care less about Trump as a person, but I am truly tired of everything that is done to undermine someone who was not planned to be there, to undermine our own eyes to see, to undermine our health, a corruption level most probably never yet probably seen in the world, damaging the whole planet.

If Trump is useful for one thing, it will be to wake up some ordinary people about corruption and lies. If he does only that, this will be mission accomplished.

Hilary was and is way worst than Trump, but she does not look a s egomaniacal at first glance, but she is worst in fact - we certainly at least temporarily adverted a third world war by having the Americans not electing her.

So cool down Tinman and take the ride, it will be a breathtaking one.




You've posted on almost every Trump discussion thread except for Trump is NOT the answer (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer). Apart from repeating what you've already posted, all quoted above, would you care to say more about your views, to explain them clearly — and calmly! — to what you seem to view as an uninformed, blind, and illogical audience?

I believe I've said what I wanted to say and that I feel this forum has been taken over by Trump propaganda.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Personnally, I could not care less about Trump as a person, but I am truly tired of everything that is done to undermine someone who was not planned to be there, to undermine our own eyes to see, to undermine our health, a corruption level most probably never yet probably seen in the world, damaging the whole planet.

If Trump is useful for one thing, it will be to wake up some ordinary people about corruption and lies. If he does only that, this will be mission accomplished.

This is partially why I actually love all of the negative press and temper tantrums. It's just sealing the deal for 2020, and they haven't even figured it out yet.

And the more these 3rd wave feminists run their mouths about how much they hate all men (lots of them are literally saying that), or say that free stuff from the government is a "human right," and the more Madonna talks about wanting to bomb the White House and MSM thinks it's awesome, the more reasonable Democrats are going to realize that their party is being taken over by a bunch of total nutjobs. It might take them a while but they are slowly figuring it out.



Hilary was and is way worst than Trump, but she does not look a s egomaniacal at first glance, but she is worst in fact - we certainly at least temporarily adverted a third world war by having the Americans not electing her.

Amen to that.

[BongoBob]

Gosh Paula, you are completely right, also for the white overlay, the chopper, everything. Find a way to send this analysis to Trump and Alex Jones maybe.

That I like Trump or not does not matter, this is simply totally disgusting what the media and the oligarchy is doing, lying in our face full time and trying to change history full fledge. They will do everything to jeopardize Trump and America it seems. This will end up going into history books as the greatest sham, this 20-21st centuries.




PdantUf5tXg

Notice how there’s no movement of the people when they zoom in.
They also zoom in at timely places to enhance the illusion and confusion.
They run the video so fast that people wouldn’t take the time to notice the inconsistencies.


Here’s a 20 frame sequence where there’s a helicopter and then none and then it all of a sudden it appears in a single frame and then it’s gone. Was the film spliced?


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/helicopter_zpsysaz2zdf.GIF


Here’s ten consecutive frames slowed down. Check out the white overlay to cover the people. And check out the buildings particularly the ones on the right. There’s no clear sequential frames from start to finish. Note: the frames are not aligned. It is not because I did not line them up. It’s their frames sliced together over time.

Note, the range of light and dark in these ten consecutive frames as if they hand picked frames to create an illusion of low attendance.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/overlay_zpsnfckn2sl.GIF



Just wanted to point out- the video I had posted was a time-lapse, as such, it's very likely the helicopter was only recorded for a frame in such an instance of sped-up time.. I don't have a full video from the camera this time-lapse was taken from, which was just posted for the sake of the record. It's apparent the camera changes it's zoom and focus many times throughout it's span.

The topic that OMG Shared (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95590-Inauguration-Gigapixel), in my opinion, helps purport my claim, as well as my questions. I have no clue what amazing technology they were able to capture such a detailed photograph with, or if for whatever reason they photoshopped Donald in, or people out, at that moment of time, there's clearly white-gaps in the crowd, which could easily be filled in through the filter of Trump's mind (which has been subjected to MANY a large crowd over the past few months.

I once again raise the question, is this matter even a point of importance whether he garnished more crowds than his predecessors in person? Trump seems to think so, but for what reason? shooting off more sparks at the maelstrom media?

I know we all hope for a 'savior' of sorts, but Trump is only human as far as I know. We shouldn't be arguing over whether he garnered 500 people or a million people in a single spot- gathering crowds and milking their reactions is a sucker-sport which has been preyed upon for a while (loosh, i think it was).

[KiwiElf]

Gosh Paula, you are completely right, also for the white overlay, the chopper, everything. Find a way to send this analysis to Trump and Alex Jones maybe.

That I like Trump or not does not matter, this is simply totally disgusting what the media and the oligarchy is doing, lying in our face full time and trying to change history full fledge. They will do everything to jeopardize Trump and America it seems. This will end up going into history books as the greatest sham, this 20-21st centuries.




PdantUf5tXg

Notice how there’s no movement of the people when they zoom in.
They also zoom in at timely places to enhance the illusion and confusion.
They run the video so fast that people wouldn’t take the time to notice the inconsistencies.


Here’s a 20 frame sequence where there’s a helicopter and then none and then it all of a sudden it appears in a single frame and then it’s gone. Was the film spliced?


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/helicopter_zpsysaz2zdf.GIF


Here’s ten consecutive frames slowed down. Check out the white overlay to cover the people. And check out the buildings particularly the ones on the right. There’s no clear sequential frames from start to finish. Note: the frames are not aligned. It is not because I did not line them up. It’s their frames sliced together over time.

Note, the range of light and dark in these ten consecutive frames as if they hand picked frames to create an illusion of low attendance.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/overlay_zpsnfckn2sl.GIF


Unfortunately Flash, the fakestream media will continue to lie as long as they are owned and controlled by the "bad guys", CNN (aka the Clinton News Network) being top of the list (and Hollywood 'A listers' running a close second, as they too are owned by the bad guys - like anyone gives a s**t what Madonna et al thinks?) ;)

[Cidersomerset]

New White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer Blasts Media Over Reports On
Inauguration Size

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Streamed live 13 hours ago

FULL White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer ABSOLUTELY RIPS APART Media
Lies About Donald Trump!!!

Donald Trump's Press Secretary Sean Spicer holds News Conference

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Theresa May 'won't be afraid' to challenge Donald Trump

33 minutes ago

Theresa May says she "won't be afraid" to tell Donald Trump if he says or does
anything she feels is "unacceptable".

The prime minister will be the first foreign leader to meet the US President since his
inauguration when they hold talks in the White House on Friday.She told the BBC
she wanted to build on the special relationship between the two countries and
shared interests in areas like trade, security and defence.

She insisted she had a "strong track record" of defending women's rights.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38710697

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Trump claims media 'dishonest' over crowd photos
1 hour ago

President Donald Trump has accused the media of dishonesty over the number of
people attending his inauguration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38707722

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The Presidents first stop and charm offensive with the intel services....

Making sure they have his back and not listening to CIA NN.....'Dishonest media'.



FULL SPEECH: Donald Trump CIA Headquarters Statement

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Published on 21 Jan 2017
President Donald Trump is telling CIA employees whose work he has publicly doubted
that no one feels stronger about the intelligence community than he does. Trump is
addressing about 400 CIA employees at their headquarters in Langley, Virginia, on
his first full day in office. Trump told the workers that they are really special and
amazing people and that "I am so behind you." The meeting follows Trump's repeated
and sharp public criticism of U.S. intelligence agencies before and after the election.
He challenged and at times belittled their conclusions that Russia attempted to influence
the election to help him win the White House.

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Trump rebuilding his relationship with the intel community?

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Published on 21 Jan 2017
Reaction from the 'Special Report' All-Star panel

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Judge Jeanine: Trump will be biggest change agent ever in US

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Published on 21 Jan 2017
We need someone strong enough to admit our faults and take them on

[Cidersomerset]

The democratic media is totally anti Trump and have been all along , I could have
posted many vids like the ones below but that is not what this threads main theme
is .....I enjoy satire and post a lot of it when appropriate but its the sheer ignorance
of the anti Brexit and Trump movements by the Liberal elites who have been
manipulated like the conservatives before them by the 'deep state' and the powers
behind them.

Now satire and comedy should be used to hold governments to account , but the
problem is they all still think Hillary would have been better and is not a crook and
should be on trial....

(Satire...)
http://www.oneoldvet.com/images/clinton_jail.png





1.08 secs in the vid below he does the crowd comparison gag......

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/DCD5/production/_93733565_view_reu976.jpg

The Inauguration of Donald Trump: The Daily Show

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So Here We Are: Donald Trump Is Officially The President

10.20 secs in he also does the Mall comparison jibe....

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Published on 21 Jan 2017

Trump took time during his Inaugural address to talk about how the former
President sucks, while Obama had to sit there as helpless as a damp Russian
mattress.

[turiya]

Trump talking to the great people of the CIA about removing 'radical islamic terrorism' just seems so odd to me... isn't that one of their current main operative geopolitical goals, to support those ISIS forces (in the shadow-gov sense)? Does Trump know that the CIA are the ones behind all these things or not? The uncertain laughs after the bit about oil in iraq... maybe it's just another game that is being played between trump's side, and the CIA.. who knows? What purpose does it serve for him to give praise to the CIA on his first 'official business' stop?

I think Paul Craig Roberts has the answer to your question...


https://www.johndenugent.com/images/paul-craig-roberts-banner-march-2016.jpg

Trump and the CIA (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/03/can-trump-fix-the-economy-in-2017-paul-craig-roberts/)
January 21, 2017 | Categories: Articles & Columns

So how come Trump is playing goody-goody
with the CIA, some readers ask?

https://www.rt.com/usa/374643-trump-intelligence-media-cia/
https://img.rt.com/files/2017.01/thumbnail/5883c7ccc3618854448b4609.jpg


Come on, guys and gals. You can figure this out for yourself. There are two obvious reasons:

1) One is that Trump thinks the attacks on him were political from the top and did not involve the rank and file.

2) The other is that time and energy are limited, and he doesn’t want to be deterred from his agenda by fights with the CIA.

Let’s hope Trump is correct.

If he is another fake like Obama, we will know soon enough.
Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/21/trump-and-the-cia/)


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On the subject of Trump's ego regarding the crowds of his inauguration, and the fact that this has bothered him enough to sick his new secretary of the press on it day one, instead of going after all of the issues that we all hope to be addressed through the impressive end of the previous American oligarchy, is it possible that he's misconstrued the facts? The open spaces of the Washington mall were half full, according to this video, and completely full according to Trump, but

A) What does this even serve to prove in a larger scale?

B) If it does have a purpose to challenge, is it possible that Trump just didn't see the back of the audience? The Capitol Steps are nowhere near as tall as the aerial photography can show, and even in the video, the front of the mall WAS packed.

PdantUf5tXg

It should be kept in mind that PBS is also an incorporated Main Stream Media news outlet. Like many corporate news outlets, PBS receives funding from the likes of George Soros, who has had an obsession (from childhood) to be involved in the news business, and had come later to find it a very useful way of manipulating people & societies. (See "Soros Spends Over $48 Million Funding Media Organizations (https://www.mrc.org/commentary/soros-spends-over-48-million-funding-media-organizations)" by Media Research Center)


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Michael Getler (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/4-6NlrAifiX7xZno88_X-hjZQtaTYEQpP9AnFboF5MqKfuA4mNr7yl8J2CER9vRHXs5Ee-byUGq_AkXy9OCv_kGlLiWhQm2htKdQnuwhUpr2PQRnK253FenC)

Michael Getler is the Ombudsman for PBS & sits on the Board of Directors who has made the following statement in an article entitled "Covering President Trump" (http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/home/) - one that resounds praise for the likes of ALL the major promoters of CIA-created 'Fake News'. The following statement can be found on the PBS website (http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/home/):

So, Where am I Going with All This?
"It is to say that despite the fear of many that we are headed into some “dark and stormy night” or that this may indeed be “the worst of times,” it is, at least in my opinion, a great, exciting and important time to be a journalist in a country with a free, serious and unintimidated press. I’m not talking here about partisan websites or radio stations or social media users and promoters who pass along a lot of unverified, unreported, unaccountable information. Rather, I’m talking about venerable, tough-minded, independent newspapers such as, and especially, The Washington Post and the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, Los Angeles Times, Miami Herald, Boston Globe, Dallas Morning News, Des Moines Register and many other good, solid regional and metropolitan newspapers; and about the Associated Press and Reuters and Bloomberg News and about CNN and the big commercial networks, NBC, ABC and CBS and new investigative organizations such as ProPublica. And the NewsHour and Frontline.

It is true that many so-called mainstream, or establishment or legacy press organizations are under severe financial pressure and are cutting back staff and losing readers and viewers. But at the same time, many are growing on their websites and may well have more readers and a wider audience than ever. Americans are not stupid. They understand that factual, verifiable information is crucial to their well-being and future, no matter what they do and how they vote. So I have confidence that, however fractured the media seems now, that these central, experienced and dedicated organizations and reporting teams will retain their place and importance in our culture, using all the new platforms as well as the old ones.

An aggressive, no-punches-pulled free press is still “more important far than they all.” It remains an unofficial yet absolutely essential part of the system of checks and balances that sets this country and our democracy apart and that was understood by the framers of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. It is crucially important now; the only real independent check left standing at a time when the White House, Senate and House are under one-party control, as are most state houses and legislatures, and when the Supreme Court may soon have its previous majority restored.

One reason that this may be “the best of times” for those journalists still working is that if President Trump’s hostility toward the press, toward challenging questioning, proper probing and critical coverage carries over from the campaign and transition to the presidency, it will open up a new and probably better way to cover our government and society." Full Article can be found here (http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/home/).

So, PBS is on the same page as all the other liberal-biased, CIA-influenced, news outlets. It would not surprise me that they would share the same photos & so-called 'news footage' as with their other MSM Fake News collaborators.



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Trump Inauguration Crowds -
CNN bears false witness / Fake News - Sinatra
(Published on Jan 21, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC4NuNaQFB8

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[DNA]

This celebration of an evil man makes me nauseous!


You only think this way because you've been brainwashed by the MSM. You have to learn to think and feel for yourself. Trumps actions have been nothing but amazing so far.
The evil in this country has been the leadership of the CIA and it's eternal aim to keep killing people all over the world with their puppet leaders in Washington DC. Never before have we had a leader willing to stand up to them and their MSM mouthpieces.

I am so far from brainwashed, and I do not deny for a moment the lies and deceit that have been ruling this planet, but that you honestly think this egomaniacal man is somehow our savior is what is most laughable and brainwashed to me!


Egomania? Who can run for president without egomania? Do you think Hillary was without egomania? Because from what I learned by reading the wikileaks documents was bone chilling concerning Hillary.
My happiness with Trump being elected isn't so much he is some kind of savior. Although his recommendations for fixing the economy are promising. But no my elation at Trump having being elected is that we averted the dark robed scythe wielding executioner which is Hillary Clinton. Blaming Russia for the wikileaks documents is like being a mother and having a neighbor come over and tell you that he hacked your computer and he hands you compromising pictures of your children that your husband has taken. Now do you blame the neighbor for hacking your computer or do you blame the perpetitrator of these vile actions and concern yourself with doing what is best for your children?
As far as the MSM is concerned they wish to blame the neighbor.
But here is the kicker, there is no proof what so ever Russia hacked anything.
Hillary Clinton is an evil monster with ties to human trafficking no less. Her evil knows no bounds. Civil war was on the horizon as she and the MSM along with the CIA surely would have attempted control measures such as taking away the right to bare arms and tossing people into fema camps who resisted such.

[RunningDeer]

Just wanted to point out- the video I had posted was a time-lapse, as such, it's very likely the helicopter was only recorded for a frame in such an instance of sped-up time.. I don't have a full video from the camera this time-lapse was taken from, which was just posted for the sake of the record. It's apparent the camera changes it's zoom and focus many times throughout it's span.

I appreciated the video, BongoBob. It gave me something to work with. So thank you. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/happy0158_zpsunvwduof.GIF

I would've picked a series of consecutive frames from the beginning, middle and end and clearly marked them. And another series when President Trump was being sworn in.



Gosh Paula, you are completely right, also for the white overlay, the chopper, everything. Find a way to send this analysis to Trump and Alex Jones maybe.

Thanks, Flash. Lots of Avalonians and Guest are following this thread. Anyone is welcome to use them. They’re ‘gif’ images so you can easily attach to an email. Just click on the graphic and save to desktop.


Nice work, RunningDeer. Thanks.

Thank you, Paul. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/cow2_zps9b5ywyal.GIF.....http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/cow_zpsdjmouaos.GIF

[DNA]

This celebration of an evil man makes me nauseous!


You only think this way because you've been brainwashed by the MSM. You have to learn to think and feel for yourself. Trumps actions have been nothing but amazing so far.
The evil in this country has been the leadership of the CIA and it's eternal aim to keep killing people all over the world with their puppet leaders in Washington DC. Never before have we had a leader willing to stand up to them and their MSM mouthpieces.

I am so far from brainwashed, and I do not deny for a moment the lies and deceit that have been ruling this planet, but that you honestly think this egomaniacal man is somehow our savior is what is most laughable and brainwashed to me!

Yet again a totally useless commentary designed to cause chaos, no facts nothing of any value.

I hope the mods step in and delete your posts.

However, I do appreciate the Tinman name and photo they are very appropriate.

I will not be bullied and there is no reason to delete my posts as they are all clearly stating my feelings on the matter and obviously quite incapable of causing any "chaos" Just because I do not agree with the constant Trump praise apparently means I have to be called names and censored. once again, not the Avalon. I once knew.
I agree I do not think your post should be erased, but I wish you would give rationale for your feelings more than name calling such as Trump is an egomaniac.
Are you convinced of the allegations that Trump benefitted from Russian tampering?
Do find Trump a sexist and as such he upsets your sensibilities?
Do you find Trump a racist and discount him as such?
Are you a staunch democrat who simply votes according to party and as such would have protested any republican candidate?
Is there something else I'm missing?

[RunningDeer]

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/computer3_zpsjixkgr9a.GIF Thanks, Steve. One more time for Judge Jeanine.

Judge Jeanine: Trump will be biggest change agent ever in US


wdch86CQoqQ

Published on 21 Jan 2017
We need someone strong enough to admit our faults and take them on

[Bill Ryan]

This celebration of an evil man makes me nauseous!


You only think this way because you've been brainwashed by the MSM. You have to learn to think and feel for yourself. Trumps actions have been nothing but amazing so far.
The evil in this country has been the leadership of the CIA and it's eternal aim to keep killing people all over the world with their puppet leaders in Washington DC. Never before have we had a leader willing to stand up to them and their MSM mouthpieces.

I am so far from brainwashed, and I do not deny for a moment the lies and deceit that have been ruling this planet, but that you honestly think this egomaniacal man is somehow our savior is what is most laughable and brainwashed to me!

Yet again a totally useless commentary designed to cause chaos, no facts nothing of any value.

I hope the mods step in and delete your posts.

However, I do appreciate the Tinman name and photo they are very appropriate.


No, that's not okay. There's no reason to delete any posts, and to make a cheap joke about anyone's username is an ad hominem attack that doesn't help, inspire, or inform anyone. (If you want to edit your post, we'd appreciate it. Thx.)

But this is also to tinman, reading this: we want an intelligent respectful, informed, interesting discussion. No matter how upset anyone is about anything.

All humans have emotions, care deeply about some things, want to express themselves, and want to be understood. All that is very fine. We should be listening carefully to others here, and trying to understand.

And if anyone is trying to understand, then as part of the deal, the person expressing themselves should do their best to try to be understood.

It's sometimes a challenge, but it's worth it. Sometimes someone who has a strong stance, and is beating a drum as loudly as they can, doesn't have all the information: and sometimes, they know things others don't know, or believe they do.

So, that's our opportunity: to listen to and understand each other. I'd like this thread, and this forum, not to be a propaganda platform (for anything or anyone!), but to be a respected and valuable go-to library (among much else) where members and visitors can come, and then leave again a while later feeling grateful, appreciative, better informed, maybe entertained, maybe more thoughtful, and, if possible, inspired and enlivened.

If we can't help others to feel that, then maybe we'd better be quiet and allow others to try.

:focus:

[eaglespirit]

As to Bill's prior post...this is his place, our place...to connect and learn and share...yes, to help change things for the betterment of all!

Things like these matters Bill confronted have to be brought out in the open and dealt with expediently, imho...for the benefit of all.

No lashing necessary!

I have been on the internet more than usual lately because of my recovery from an accident(I am healing well : ).

In a way, we are all recovering from an accident that we were rather unaware of...we can become more aware right here and now!

So, thank you all again...I feel we as people and a nation and a world are turning a tremendously important corner that is about to open up the light of awareness and the active willingness of being of direct service to one another in monumental and loving fashion!

[sunpaw]

I am not with Trump.

Anyway, my best wishes for a prosperous future :sun: :heart:

[AutumnW]

I am not with Trump.

Anyway, my best wishes for a prosperous future :sun: :heart:

Sunpaw, your icon! Is that you holding Trump's teensy hand? I'm sorry. Couldn't resisist!

[Chester]

This celebration of an evil man makes me nauseous!


You only think this way because you've been brainwashed by the MSM. You have to learn to think and feel for yourself. Trumps actions have been nothing but amazing so far.
The evil in this country has been the leadership of the CIA and it's eternal aim to keep killing people all over the world with their puppet leaders in Washington DC. Never before have we had a leader willing to stand up to them and their MSM mouthpieces.

I am so far from brainwashed, and I do not deny for a moment the lies and deceit that have been ruling this planet, but that you honestly think this egomaniacal man is somehow our savior is what is most laughable and brainwashed to me!

Only his results will tell the tale. A tale none of us know as to how it will all turn out.

Also, of the folks I have seen posting here (regardless of how much they like or not DJT), I have not seen one calling Trump a savior and/or expecting him to save "us."

What I would like to know is the various actions taken by DJT as President of the US which you either like or don't like and why you might like or not like them.

Believe me, I will be happy to comment on his actions/results and I cannot wait for these actions to begin and the results to happen.

[Cidersomerset]

President Trump's senior staff sworn in

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Published on 22 Jan 2017
Donald Trump and Mike Pence were both on hand in the East Room of the White
House as the Trump administration's senior staff was sworn in. Trump also
commented on the storm damage in Georgia. See the full ceremony.

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Israel approves settlement homes following Trump inauguration
10 minutes ago


http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/7E25/production/_93739223_037437914-1.jpg
Pisgat Zeev, one of the areas in East Jerusalem that will see new settlement homes

Israel has approved hundreds of new settlement homes in occupied East Jerusalem,
after the staunch pro-Israel US President Donald Trump took office.

Jerusalem Deputy Mayor Meir Turgeman told AFP: "Now we can finally build."

Israel's PM reportedly delayed approval given the opposition of Barack Obama, who
infuriated Israel by allowing a UN resolution against settlements to pass.

Settlements in East Jerusalem are considered illegal under international law, though
Israel disputes this.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Mr Trump had
invited him to a meeting in Washington in February, on a date yet to be decided.
A statement said the two leaders held a "very warm" telephone conversation in
which they discussed issues including the Iran nuclear deal and the peace process
with the Palestinians.The White House said Mr Trump had emphasised during the
call that peace between Israel and the Palestinians "could only be negotiated
directly between the two parties".

Read More....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38711701

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Kellyanne Conway Interview: 'Didn't See The Point' to Women's March on Washington

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Published on 22 Jan 2017

The counselor to the president is interviewed on "This Week," two days after
Trump's inauguration

[DebJoy]

Gosh Paula, you are completely right, also for the white overlay, the chopper, everything. Find a way to send this analysis to Trump and Alex Jones maybe.

That I like Trump or not does not matter, this is simply totally disgusting what the media and the oligarchy is doing, lying in our face full time and trying to change history full fledge. They will do everything to jeopardize Trump and America it seems. This will end up going into history books as the greatest sham, this 20-21st centuries.




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Notice how there’s no movement of the people when they zoom in.
They also zoom in at timely places to enhance the illusion and confusion.
They run the video so fast that people wouldn’t take the time to notice the inconsistencies.


Here’s a 20 frame sequence where there’s a helicopter and then none and then it all of a sudden it appears in a single frame and then it’s gone. Was the film spliced?


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/helicopter_zpsysaz2zdf.GIF


Here’s ten consecutive frames slowed down. Check out the white overlay to cover the people. And check out the buildings particularly the ones on the right. There’s no clear sequential frames from start to finish. Note: the frames are not aligned. It is not because I did not line them up. It’s their frames sliced together over time.

Note, the range of light and dark in these ten consecutive frames as if they hand picked frames to create an illusion of low attendance.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Photoshop/overlay_zpsnfckn2sl.GIF


This is a good example of being fooled by the fake news. The Fake News pictures of 2017 inauguration from CNN were taken hours before - 8:20am.

Here's more: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/.../definitive-cnn.../ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/.../definitive-cnn.../) quote from article: The crowd grew significantly just as the event began. Yes, this was mostly due to the crowd being intentionally delayed from attending. Yes, tens of thousands of people could not get through the screenings. Yes, the federal workers and DC Park and Security leadership made attendance more difficult than any previous inauguration. Yes, every imaginable tool and technique was utilized last week to provide the maximum level of crisis and discomfort…. end quote.

The REAL NEWS photos from the 2008 and 2017 inaugurations at inauguration time are included in the article. Here's another one showing the comparison:

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[turiya]

Kellyanne Conway Interview: 'Didn't See The Point' to Women's March on Washington


H8tErpLLFbE
Published on 22 Jan 2017

The counselor to the president is interviewed on "This Week," two days after
Trump's inauguration

Kellyanne Conway - just a fantastic spokesperson, goes head-to-head with ABC News Anchor, and former Clinton Administration Campaign Manager - George Stephanopolous. Just a joy to watch her deal with this most forceful MSM news anchor. And moving on to one of the Trump Team's favorites - Chuck Todd...


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In Blistering Interview, Conway Tells Chuck Todd
"We Are Going To Have To Rethink Our
Relationship With The Press" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/blistering-interview-conway-tells-chuck-todd-we-are-going-have-rethink-our-relations)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 22, 2017 1:19 PM
To members of the mainstream media, it would appears 'size matters', as the Inauguration crowd-gate debacle continues following Sean Spicer's unusual press conference yesterday. During a combative interview this morning with NBC's Chuck Todd, Trump top advisor Kellyanne Conway blasted media "falsehoods," crushing Todd's 'size' issues by noting that "Presidents aren't judged by crowd sizes at their inauguration, they're judged by their accomplishments."


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But Conway was not done with the "Meet The Press" anchor yet, as she cornered him, noting this was just more evidence of the unfair and biased treatment of the Trump administration by the media:

"We're going to have to rethink our relationship with the press...

Yesterday, we allowed the press into the Oval Office to witness the signing of executive orders and what happens almost immediately - a falsehood is told about removing the bust of Martin Luther King Jr - that's just flat-out false."

"I'm thrilled that all of a sudden NBC News and Chuck Todd is so focused on covering crowd control, because we were mocked daily for talking about the historic significance of the size of the crowds at our rallies during the campaign... on great days were ignored, and on most days we were mocked."

"You want the American people to think they can't trust The White House press secretary, that's a very dangerous statement to make. Your job is to report the news, not to give your opinion, you're not an opinion columnist."

...you've got a 14% approval rating, that you've earned..."

And Todd's response...

"...you attack us [the media] with some weird Twitter feed that you guys are obsessed with."

See the full ̶b̶l̶o̶o̶d̶b̶a̶t̶h̶ interview below...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZewmkqygDes

ZEROHEDGE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/blistering-interview-conway-tells-chuck-todd-we-are-going-have-rethink-our-relations)

[Wind]

Here's my post from the timeline (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95125-Timeline-shifts&p=1129326#post1129326) thread...

I'm still feeling quite optimistic about "this" timeline we are on now. Just prior to the elections I was quite worried that it would play as usual, except that this time there was a known terrifying criminal vs. a pompous businessman. When Trump got elected I felt relieved and I still do. If Hillary would be in office now then I suspect that many of us would be terrified about the future and possible global nuclear conflicts. Clintons are literally the Underwoods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Ha3IWeXOo) from the House of the Cards.

Only the highly ignorant would have been happy about Hillary becoming the next POTUS. However, I suspect that there are still many bumps on the road. And Trump will have much opposition... We all know what happened to JFK. Let's hope it won't repeat. For far too long criminals have been able to rule this world, something needs to change or then then there will be no hope. I do have hope now, not the false hope and change that Obama promised. Politics are politics and many politicians have empty words... Although I am willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, because he's not like a typical politician. Yet humans themselves also need to make a change. Although that may be a personal journey, but together we must stand against the forces of corruption or perish.

I will watch and wait...

GWrAUIwnS3c

[Smell the Roses]

Wind, this is very similar to my experience. It became obvious after Trump won that this was the far preferable outcome. I don't know why it wasn't obvious to me before, but mainly it was because I had become so disillusioned with politics that I didn't see how it could make a real difference. In reality, the Hillary timeline would have been a disaster. I haven't felt this optimistic in a while. Yesterday, I even bought a drill and an American flag to put up.

[Cidersomerset]

Peskov: Putin spokesman denies US election hack - BBC News

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Published on 22 Jan 2017
President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman has told the BBC that neither the Russian
government nor the president himself were involved in hacking to influence the
2016 US election result. Speaking exclusively to Hardtalk, Dmitry Peskov added
that Russia suffered “hundreds and thousands of cyberattacks every day”
emanating from the West.

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Russia Today chief labels US intelligence report 'a joke' - BBC News

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Published on 20 Jan 2017
Earlier this month, a US intelligence report concluded that the Kremlin had set out
to influence the outcome of the US election, through cyber attacks, internet trolls
and “Russia’s state-run propaganda machine”. The report highlighted the role of
state-funded broadcaster RT. In an interview with the BBC’s Steve Rosenberg, RT’s
Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan told the BBC the report was “a joke”.

[Cidersomerset]

Street Justice: The Women's March

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Published on 22 Jan 2017
Judge Jeanine tries to reason with anti-Trump protesters

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Can tone in Washington change for the better?

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Published on 22 Jan 2017
Republican strategist Evan Siegfried and Doug Schoen, Fox News contributor, join
the debate

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President Donald Trump says he will 'cherish' Obama letter

23 January 2017 Last updated at 00:37 GMT


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38714120

[turiya]

Recent articles from Zero Hedge....

Ethics Group Will Sue Trump On Monday Over Foreign Government Payments (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/ethics-group-will-sue-trump-monday-over-foreign-government-payments)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/trump%20up%20close.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/ethics-group-will-sue-trump-monday-over-foreign-government-payments)
Trump is barely two days in office, and already a lawsuit is set to be filed against the newly inaugurated president. According to press reports (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-ethics-lawsuit-idUSKBN15701V), a group of lawyers, including former White House ethics attorneys will file a lawsuit on Monday accusing the President of allowing his businesses to accept payments from foreign governments in violation of the U.S. Constitution.
Jan 22, 2017 9:33 PM

A Preview Of Trump's Seven Imminent Executive Orders (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/preview-trumps-seven-imminent-executive-orders)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/trump%20exec%20actions.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/preview-trumps-seven-imminent-executive-orders)
1) hiring freeze at executive branch; 2) 5-year lobbying ban on transition and administration officials; 3) Mexico City policy, which prevents foreign NGOs from getting U.S. family planning money if they provide abortions with non-U.S. funds; 4) Task the Defense Secretary with plan to eviscerate ISIS; 5) Report on readiness, and something cyber security related; 6) Border/immigration: sanctuary cities, expand E-Verify, an extreme vetting proposal' 7) Withdraw from TPP and a thorough review of NAFTA.
Jan 22, 2017 4:26 PM

WikiLeaks Slams Trump, Urges Hackers To Reveal His Tax Returns (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/wikileaks-slams-trump-urges-hackers-reveal-his-tax-returns)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/wikileaks%20teaser_2.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/wikileaks-slams-trump-urges-hackers-reveal-his-tax-returns)
Perhaps in an attempt to demonstrate its impartiality, on Sunday WikiLeaks tweeted a request to worldwide hackers to release President Donald Trump’s tax returns after counselor Kellyanne Conway told ABC Trump will not be releasing the controversial files after all.

Why Davos CEOs Think They Have Control Over Trump (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/why-davos-ceos-think-they-control-over-trump)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170121_deep_0.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/why-davos-ceos-think-they-control-over-trump)
While President Trump chose not to attend the elite extravaganza in Davos last week, choosing instead to lambast the great-est and good-est of the world's executives in their crony capitalist safe space, the cognitively dissonant CEOs reassured each other by saying 'ignore the tweets', confident that "if [Trump] knows the facts, he’ll respond according to the facts." It depends whose 'facts' those are, of course.
Jan 22, 2017 6:00 PM

"We Are Two Nations... Maybe More!" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/we-are-two-nations-maybe-more)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170122_two.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/we-are-two-nations-maybe-more)
"The Trump Wars of the past 18 months do not now go away. Now it becomes the Trump Civil War, every day, with Democrats trying to get rid of him and half the country pushing back. To reduce it to the essentials: As long as Mr. Trump’s party holds the House, it will be a standoff. If the Democrats take the House, they will move to oust him... Because we are divided. We are two nations, maybe more."
Jan 22, 2017 5:25 PM

The Six Stages Of Democrat Grief Are Complete (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/six-stages-democrat-grief-are-complete)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/20170122_grief1.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/six-stages-democrat-grief-are-complete)

ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/)

[ponda]

Trump on 911



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23yfBWH8Hjk

[eaglespirit]

Thank You Ponda...for bringing that here!

Interesting times in front of us...'times up' for cover-ups, imho!

[Cidersomerset]

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Trump to 'massively' cut taxes and regulation

4 minutes ago
From the section US & Canada

President Donald Trump has pledged to "massively" cut regulations
and taxes on companies that keep jobs in the US.

After meeting business leaders, Mr Trump also warned them he
would impose a "substantial border tax" on companies that move
manufacturing out of the US.

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056

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Trump Sits Down With Business Leaders, Vows to Cut Regulations

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Published on 23 Jan 2017


The president says companies leaving America will face a "substantial border tax"
on their products.

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Bullhorns: POTUS 45 (CrossTalk)

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Against all the odds Donald J. Trump is now the 45th president of the United
States. He has set out a starkly different agenda. Can he make America great
again? CrossTalking with Gilbert Doctorow, Alex Christoforou, and Xavier Moreau.

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Huckabee: Trump delegitimized the press and they hate that

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Fox News contributor says the media have 'lost their credibility'

[Cidersomerset]

The Donald in his element......


Trump: We can cut regulations by 75 percent

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
President Trump meets with business leaders to discuss his tax, regulatory and
trade policies.

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Can Trump accomplish all he’s promised?

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Trump Economic Advisor Steve Moore on Donald Trump’s inaugural address and
what problems he needs to solve as president.

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Nigel Farage: Trumps revolution is already taking place

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Published on 23 Jan 2017

U.K. Independence Party Interim Leader Nigel Farage on how Donald Trump’s
presidency is going to change American politics.

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Nigel Farage on what Trump may discuss with the British PM

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Fox News contributor weighs in on the president's upcoming visit with Theresa May

[Cidersomerset]

Who needs Hollywood and Broadway 'A' listers to have fun ?

These were on the larger vids but now they have been segmented worth another look.....imo

Odd CIA NN posted them maybe they are trying to get back in Trumps good
books ?..LOL ...Nuh !!


Lord of the Dance Perform at Trump Inaugural Ball

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Published on 23 Jan 2017

Irish dance troupe Lord of the Dance performed at President Donald Trump's
inaugural ball in Washington, D.C. Friday evening.

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TRUMP INAUGURAL BALL Performance by THE ROCKETTES

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TRUMP INAUGURAL BALL The Rockettes Perform At The Liberty Ball

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President Trump's Inaugural First Dance

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
President Trump and first lady Melania Trump share their first dance to Frank
Sinatra’s "My Way" at the Liberty Ball in Washington, D.C. Friday evening.

[turiya]

Bullhorns: POTUS 45 (CrossTalk)


BrcTaSuo7nA
Published on 23 Jan 2017
Against all the odds Donald J. Trump is now the 45th president of the United
States. He has set out a starkly different agenda. Can he make America great
again? CrossTalking with Gilbert Doctorow, Alex Christoforou, and Xavier Moreau.

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Huckabee: Trump delegitimized the press and they hate that


b8Tp0J268eg
Published on 23 Jan 2017
Fox News contributor says the media have 'lost their credibility'

Continuing with the Trump vs CIA & the Media meme...
A Declaration of War on the 'Establishment'... And they hate that!...




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Former CIA director John Brennan blasts Donald Trump
saying 'he should be ashamed of himself' (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/former-cia-director-john-brennan-blasts-donald-trump-saying-he-should-be-ashamed-himself-1602395)

Brennan's reaction came in response to Trump's speech
at the CIA headquarters in Langley.

By Pavitra Dwibhashyam (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/reporters/pavitra-dwibhashyam)
January 22, 2017 07:25 GMT

Former CIA director John Brennan blasted President Donald Trump on Saturday, (21 January) over a speech Trump delivered at the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

A statement released by Brennan's former deputy chief of staff Nick Shapiro said: "Former CIA director Brennan is deeply saddened and angered at Donald Trump's despicable display of self-aggrandizement in front of CIA's Memorial Wall of Agency heroes. Brennan says that Trump should be ashamed of himself."

More at the link:
International Business Times (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/former-cia-director-john-brennan-blasts-donald-trump-saying-he-should-be-ashamed-himself-1602395)


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Trump Tweet after Meeting w/ CIA Employees
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Carl Icahn Praises Trump Speech:
"Our Dangerous Slide
Towards Socialism Is Over" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/carl-icahn-praises-trump-speech-our-dangerous-slide-towards-socialism-over)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 23, 2017 10:30 AM
Having used words never before heard (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-20/following-words-had-never-appeared-inaugural-address-until-today) in a Presidential inauguration address:

bleed, carnage, depletion, disrepair, flush, Islamic, ripped, sad, rusted, sprawl, stealing, stolen, subsidized, tombstones, trapped, trillions, unstoppable...

President Trump has face criticism for his no-holds-barred speech - confirming his stance as an anti-establishment "America First" president. Trump advisor Carl Icahn told CNBC on the afternoon of the inauguration...


"Donald surprised me coming on so strongly about the establishment. I admire him for doing that."

"I admire him for not just trying to say, 'Wow. Let's smooth it over. Let's be buddies.' I mean, he came on extremely strongly and he's giving you a look at what the future, I think, is going to be."

Icahn, Trump's special advisor on regulatory reform, said he expects the 45th president of the United States to take a confrontational approach, to some extent. Yet he argued that may be a good thing because it will promote change.

"I think you have to break up this establishment. You have to stop the perception which we have in this country that the government is at war with business, that the government doesn't like business and that's what you've had for eight years with Obama," Icahn said.

But his tweet this morning is perhaps the most succinct confirmation of what just happened...


http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/GENRL_TWEETS/CARL_ICAHN_BRILLIAN_INAUGURAL_SPEECH_SLID_TOWARDS_SOCIALISM_OVER.png


Indeed!

Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/carl-icahn-praises-trump-speech-our-dangerous-slide-towards-socialism-over)

[Eram]

I know there's a lot of nasty jokes about Trump making the rounds on social media, but this one from a Dutch satire tv show was actually pretty funny imo.

His words of introduction are:
45th prez is now inaugurated.
He had a clear message to the rest of the world. I'll "peep" you all (sort of a dutch play on words)
Well and because we all understand that we better not upset Trump and try to be friends with him, we have made a little introduction video about Holland for him:.....

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[turiya]

Liberal Trumpophobic (Trumpophobic) Woman Thrown Off Airplane For Berating Tump Supporter...

'Trumpophobic' - The irrational fear of Donald Trump which has resulted in people having nervous breakdowns and creating new (and silly) anti-Trump words on Urban ... The Urban dictionary (https://www.google.com/#q=trumpophobia)



Woman kicked off flight for berating
Trump supporter "he's in my space"
(Published on Jan 22, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaR5W9v9HpA
According to Scott Koteskey, the pro-Trump passenger, the woman started the fight when she asked him if he was in the area to support or protest Trump. When he said he was there to support democracy she began to berate him and demand that he change seats. Flight attendants were made aware of the situation and talked to the woman. The pilot of the aircraft decided that she be removed from the flight. At first she refused to but eventually the woman and her husband left the plane.

Just had the craziest experience ever on an airplane:

I’m boarding my flight from Baltimore to Seattle and approach my seat. I had an upgraded seat that I paid a little extra for because of the long 6 hour flight. As I approach my row I smile and motion to the husband and wife sitting in the aisle and middle seat that my seat was next to the window. I put my backpack in the overhead and the wife with a very stern voice says to me:

“Did you come here to cheer or to protest?”

“I came here to celebrate democracy ma’am”

… I knew this was going to be a long flight at this point. She then proceeded with: (somewhat paraphrased as my memory allows)

Her: “You put a crazed man in charge of the nuclear codes! You should be ashamed!”

Me: ‘Well we’re all entitled to our opinions here ma’am.”

Her: “And I’m entitled to get drunk and puke in your lap! I’m going to throw up right in your lap! You make me sick! Don’t talk to me! Don’t look at me! Don’t you dare even put your arm on that rest. You disgust me! You should be ashamed of yourself! You put a maniac’s finger on the button” (assuming she’s means nukes). You are a bigot. You should get off this plane!”

Me: “ma’am, by definition, bigotry is disparaging someone prior to knowing them simply by their beliefs and opinions. Thank you for being the very thing you preach against.”

She then proceeded with other various rantings such as my lack of critical thinking and other insults. Finally a flight attendant came over as you will see in the video followed by a supervisor informing that she would have to deboard the plane per captains orders.

After much fuss, airport police came and removed her from the plane. The lady across from me filmed that and was gracious to sent it to me. Many others around me defended me insisting the lady had caused all the commotion and was verbally assaulting not just me but others wearing various Trump apparel boarding the plane.

As the lady was removed I saw that I was surrounded by blacks, Latinos, Asians, and whites, all who had chimed in asking her to be removed and who had defended me. I was touched and moved knowing later that not all these people were trump supporters. The black man who took the seat next to me was a registered Democrat and he and I had a very good discussion about the beauty of free speech and coming together when people insult and commit acts of violence just for having differing views.

It truly was a great demonstration of AMERICA and its people coming together and standing up for one another. Hope you enjoy.

The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/23/insane-lib-woman-thrown-off-airplane-for-berating-trump-supporter/#more-141573)

[Cidersomerset]

Trump signs 3 executive orders

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Published on 23 Jan 2017

President Donald Trump signs three executive orders, including withdrawing
the US from the Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiation process.

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Trump executive order pulls out of TPP trade deal

36 minutes ago
From the section US & Canada

President Donald Trump has fulfilled a campaign pledge by signing an executive
order to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).The trade deal, a
linchpin of ex-President Barack Obama's Asia policy, was signed by 12 nations.
"Great thing for the American worker what we just did," said Mr Trump as he
dumped the pact with a stroke of a pen.He also cut funding for international groups
that provide abortions, and froze hiring of some federal workers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38721056



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Rep. Cassidy introduces Obamacare alternative

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Republican Rep. Bill Cassidy of Louisiana introduces the "Patient Freedom Act," a
proposed replacement to Obamacare backed by him and fellow Republican Rep.
Susan Collins of Maine.

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Watch: President Trump signs executive orders, including withdrawal from TPP

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Watch as President Donald Trump signs three executive orders in the Oval Office.
One of those executive orders begins the U.S. withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific
Partnership trade agreement.

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Trump puts pen to work signing executive orders

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
FNC senior judicial analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano on President Trump's first
executive orders.

[Cidersomerset]

Why Trump has invited Israel's prime minister to the White House

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
President Trump has invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to the
White House. Among other issues, they're likely to discuss Trump's controversial
pledge to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Tal Shalev, political
correspondent for Israel's Walla News, joins CBSN to discuss the relationship
between Trump and Israel.

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NEW YORK TIMES....

Trump Presidency Is Already Altering Israeli-Palestinian Politics

By IAN FISHERJAN. 22, 2017


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Speculation swirled that the United States Embassy in Tel Aviv might move to Jerusalem.
Credit Amir Cohen/Reuters

JERUSALEM — Just two days old, the presidency of Donald J. Trump is already reshaping
the politics between Israelis and Palestinians, on issues from the location of the American
Embassy to possible annexation of a major settlement bloc to whether Palestinians are on
the edge of a renewed revolt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/22/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-jerusalem-maale-adumim-donald-trump.html?rref=collection%2Fnewseventcollection%2FThe%20Trump%20White%20House&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=Collection&region=Marginalia&src=me&version=newsevent&pgtype=article&_r=1


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Israel approves 560 new illegal homes in East Jerusalem as Trump takes office


https://www.rt.com/news/374701-israel-settlements-jerusalem-palestine/

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Trump’s UN pick Nikki Haley ‘I will always support Israel’ and latest to contradict Trump on Russia


‘South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, nominated to be the new US ambassador to the UN, told
the Senate she would “always stand by Israel” and took a hard line on Russia, clashing with
positions taken by President-elect Donald Trump.

Read more …

https://www.rt.com/usa/374144-nikki-haley-un-russia/

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Trump Press Secretary Holds First Official News Conference- Full Event

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Trump's White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer holds his first official news
conference. He is asked about building a wall on the Mexico border, the affordable
care act repeal, DACA, Pro life marches, the Trans Pacific Partnership, and of course
how big was the inauguration crowd that Trump claimed was millions.

[eaglespirit]

Here's my post from the timeline (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95125-Timeline-shifts&p=1129326#post1129326) thread...

I'm still feeling quite optimistic about "this" timeline we are on now. Just prior to the elections I was quite worried that it would play as usual, except that this time there was a known terrifying criminal vs. a pompous businessman. When Trump got elected I felt relieved and I still do. If Hillary would be in office now then I suspect that many of us would be terrified about the future and possible global nuclear conflicts. Clintons are literally the Underwoods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Ha3IWeXOo) from the House of the Cards.

Only the highly ignorant would have been happy about Hillary becoming the next POTUS. However, I suspect that there are still many bumps on the road. And Trump will have much opposition... We all know what happened to JFK. Let's hope it won't repeat. For far too long criminals have been able to rule this world, something needs to change or then then there will be no hope. I do have hope now, not the false hope and change that Obama promised. Politics are politics and many politicians have empty words... Although I am willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, because he's not like a typical politician. Yet humans themselves also need to make a change. Although that may be a personal journey, but together we must stand against the forces of corruption or perish.

I will watch and wait...

GWrAUIwnS3c

Hi Wind, great to see You and wishing You the best!

Don't know if You saw my prior post but I presented the same heartfelt thoughts
more or less : )
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1128802&viewfull=1#post1128802

[onawah]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think this from Akasha should go unnoticed:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94907-Trump-is-NOT-the-answer&p=1129508&viewfull=1#post1129508
featuring this:
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[Helene West]

Has anyone seen this yet?
Some congressman is proposing withdrawal from the United Nations!!! wowww. I'm giddy. (hope the link works, I rarely do this).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/congressman-introduces-bill-withdraw-us-united-nations

[shaberon]

Yes, there are two things: one to quit paying the UN, the other to withdraw and kick them out of the country, both as a consequence of the first time the UN reproached Israel.

These Congressmen make their loyalties rather obvious.

[eaglespirit]

Propaganda is alive and well...we simply need to let this unfold and continue to move on in unconditional loving ways to the best of our best active efforts.

Interesting that I am feeling quite a different wave of energy...so much so that I am posting things like this elsewhere that PA Folks tend to embrace and live by!

.......
Refresher...nothing said can remedy except us finally understanding the wrongs and living spiritually to balance to love the many that were mass murdered...this has to stop worldwide now...leave indigenous peoples and their cultures alone! With the changes now(right now) occurring in this country we may finally set an example of goodness!
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[turiya]

Has anyone seen this yet?
Some congressman is proposing withdrawal from the United Nations!!! wowww. I'm giddy. (hope the link works, I rarely do this).

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/congressman-introduces-bill-withdraw-us-united-nations


http://qha.com.ua/upload/2016/12/27/Iz.jpg

Another big surprise is the following news...

Rubio Saves Tillerson Confirmation In 11-10 Vote (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/rubio-saves-tillerson-confirmation-11-10-vote)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170123_bff.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/rubio-saves-tillerson-confirmation-11-10-vote)

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved Rex Tillerson’s nomination as secretary of state by a vote of 11-10 - falling along party lines (with Democrats dissenting). As Bloomberg notes, this vote clears the way for the full Senate to confirm one of President Donald Trump’s most critical cabinet choices.
Jan 23, 2017 5:57 PM - ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/)

Marco Rubio, and several neocons - namely John McCain & Lindsay Graham - have ended up supporting Trump's pick for Secretary of State - Rex Tillerson, despite his refusal to label Vladimir Putin a "war criminal".

In the following clip, it appears that Rubio has moved to the extreme-right & into the neocon camp, ... er.. um... or, is it the extreme-left - "the Russians did it!" camp... I get so confused... as they both are looking the same, to me.... Let's make it easy & just call both sides - 'Extreme'!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCK5Q0KKGLE

[Cidersomerset]

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Comedy writer Rich 'suspended' over Barron Trump jibe

59 minutes ago

A Saturday Night Live writer has been suspended after posting a tweet
mocking US President Donald Trump's son Barron, US media reports say.

They quote a person familiar with SNL's plans as saying Katie Rich was
suspended indefinitely. The programme's network, NBC, is yet to comment.

On Friday, Ms Rich posted a now-deleted tweet, saying "Barron will be
this country's first home-school shooter".

An avalanche of criticism on social media followed.

Ms Rich later deleted her tweet, suspending her Twitter account.

However, on Monday she was back online to issue an apology.


read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38726766


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Sign Deliveryman Said He Received $10,000 and a Sit-Down With Donald Trump

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Shane Bouvet, a volunteer who delivered Trump signs during the campaign, said
he spent the evening before Inauguration Day hanging out with the president-elect,
who cut him a check for $10,000.

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Committee OK's Tillerson for Secretary of State

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
The Senate Foreign Relations Committee narrowly approved former Exxon Mobil
chief executive Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State. Tillerson's nomination now
moves to a vote in the full Senate. (Jan. 23)

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Concerns over probe into Flynn's contacts with Russian gov't

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Jennifer Griffin reports for 'Special Report'

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Analysis of President Trump's first full day in office

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
The 'Special Report' All-Star panel weighs in

[turiya]

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Comedy writer Rich 'suspended' over Barron Trump jibe

59 minutes ago

A Saturday Night Live writer has been suspended after posting a tweet
mocking US President Donald Trump's son Barron, US media reports say.

They quote a person familiar with SNL's plans as saying Katie Rich was
suspended indefinitely. The programme's network, NBC, is yet to comment.

On Friday, Ms Rich posted a now-deleted tweet, saying "Barron will be
this country's first home-school shooter".

An avalanche of criticism on social media followed.

Ms Rich later deleted her tweet, suspending her Twitter account.

However, on Monday she was back online to issue an apology.


read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38726766


For those that missed it...


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And 1 hour ago came the apology...


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Donald was getting rather perturbed with SNL previously... I'd say, Don't be messing with the Don, especially his kid...

I suspect that SNL will continue to slide into oblivion... Trump seems to have that effect on those that want to come after him & shake a stick at him...

So its advised: Don't Be Messing Around w/ the Donald...


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[Cidersomerset]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think this from Akasha should go
unnoticed:

I don't think anyone following Trump will not fail to notice he is very pro Israel and
will probably move the embassy , he is also going to shake up the UN, NATO and
confront North Korea and Iran. I think there may be friction with China but hopefully
will not get out hand and he will come to an agreement with Russia to clear ISIS
from Syria and Iraq.

The US/UK/Canada/Australia/New Zealand are tied together integrally thru 'five
eyes' and close military ties. There are other close allies in NATO and Asia.
Israel will benefit under a Trump regime but I'm hoping he maybe able to move
every ones mind set particularly in the Middle East to see the bigger picture . But
the Palestinian question is going to be delicate and will blow up in Israel's face if
they are not offered concessions and moving the embassy may be difficult to swallow.

Trump has his faults and things may go belly up.But if Hillary was elected tension
with Russia would be very high now.....Plus all the other baggage she would have
brought with her.

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Behind Trump's Plan to Move the US Embassy to Jerusalem

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
The U.S. embassy in Israel has been in Tel Aviv since 1966.


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Roger Stone: Deep State Trying to Stop Trump’s Reboot Of America

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Trump insider Roger Stone explains how elements deep within the United States
government are doing everything they can to stop Donald Trump from hitting the
reset button on the globalist agenda.

Part 2

Roger Stone Talks About Madonna’s Threat To Blow Up White House

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Roger Stone discusses the recent statement by Madonna where she said she had
thought about blowing up the White House.

[turiya]

Man, that Alex Jones is hard to listen to. I would not be surprised if he's going to provoke himself into having a heart attack soon... would love to just have Roger Stone just talk without Jone's 2 cents - because that's really about as much as it is worth...

Anyways, here's a word of advice from Brother Nate about the embassy move to Jerusalem...


Don't Move The Embassy Mr Trump!
(Published on Jan 8, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTk7xXMmWWY

[ThePythonicCow]

... similarly a dramatic crescendo to the monetary, debt, and economic crisis may be used to motivate the shift to this next world order with the BIS able to centrally coordinated multiple national currencies.
Ken over at RedefiningGod.com (http://redefininggod.com/2017/01/globalist-agenda-watch-2017-update-2-what-xis-speech-in-davos-tells-us-about-the-globalist-strategy-for-economic-restructuring/) has come to a similar conclusion, writing:

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Globalist Agenda Watch 2017: Update 2 – What Xi’s speech in Davos tells us about the globalist strategy for economic restructuring

As I survey the propaganda coming out of Chinese President Xi’s speech before the Davos globalists, the choreography of the coming economic crisis is becoming pretty clear…

> The “populist revolution” in the US and Western Europe will lead to “protectionism,” a trade war and a wrenching economic depression. The West will thus cede its global economic leadership.

> China will step up to fill the gap in leadership and will break out their gold reserves to resurrect their own economy and save the international multilateral institutions (such as the IMF).

> The desperate West will then go hat-in-hand to the multilateral institutions to resurrect their own economies, thus becoming ensnared in the new globalist system (the NWO economic system).

The conditioning that will be delivered to the people will thus be…

ISOLATIONISM = BAD

NEW AND IMPROVED NWO GLOBALISM = GOOD

If we view all this in terms of the globalist dialectic strategy, we see that…

…the tension between the Thesis: unbridled Western-style globalism is the way to go…

…and the Antithesis: returning to “protectionist” nationalism is the way to go…

will yield the Synthesis: kinder, gentler Eastern-style “nationalistic globalism” is the way to go.

With love…

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think this from Akasha should go unnoticed

This is the modern-day "Jewish question" we can't figure out: wtf is going on in Israel?

At this point I don't think even they know what they're doing. They're being cut off from all the usual sources of power as far as I can see and looking for new partners. Trump just happens to be standing around looking pretty promising going forward, so there you go.

[Mike Gorman]

What do you think about the recent post from Alex Jones describing Trump releasing a lot of the Black Ops technology which has been locked up for decades - I recall the Skunkworks CEO saying that it would take 'An Act of God' to get this amazing technology and research out into the public domain - so we know it is a certain bet that the trillions invested in all this back-end research and tech development really has produced good things. Is this just Jones being a Trump-a-phile or has it got any weight behind it?

[ThePythonicCow]

What do you think about the recent post from Alex Jones describing Trump releasing a lot of the Black Ops technology which has been locked up for decades ...Not yet - just as such technology as transistors and nuclear energy were not released to the public until after the end of World War II, once the rebuilding began under a new world regime (American hegemony, that time), so will the current black ops technology not be released to the public until after the current crises climax and a new rebuilding can begin, under another new world regime, which I expect to be a multi-polar world and multiple national currencies, with the world's various nations and "capitalist" corporations constrained by global institutions such as reinvigorated
United Nations, BIS and IMF.

We peons have to finish going through this round of hell, so that we will submit to a new world ordering. Then the new technologies will become visible, though of course major corporations will race to control the profits from them.

[Cidersomerset]

Is this just Jones being a Trump-a-phile or has it got any weight behind it?

Hard to tell when Alex gets carried away sometimes, he has so much info
in his brain it is hard to connect the dots in the right order. He did mention
it with Roger Stone commenting that he had connections telling him about
hidden tech , as well as the other sources and speculation we all come
across. Though I do not think any disclosure where any tech really came
from will be forth coming....


He talks about DARPA tech release aprox 18 mins in.....

Breaking Trump To Release Secret Darpa Technology To The World

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Donald Trump is going to move forward with his plan to reveal the
secrets the globalists have been hiding to the American people

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Interesting answer to the billionaire cabinet and the fact 53% white woman
voted for Trump. Also the presenter is still asking why they ( the mainstream)
and dem's do not get him. There is a wider media gap than ever at the moment
between Trumps vision and the globalist status quo.....


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Trump signs executive order withdrawing US from TPP

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
With a stroke of a pen, President Donald Trump has unraveled the Trans-Pacific
Partnership, withdrawing the US from the controversial free-trade pact. Without
Washington’s participation, the TPP would have to be renegotiated or scrapped
altogether.

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It must be a good idea if McCain disagrees with it....LOL

John McCain: 'Serious Mistake' To Pull Out From TPP | MSNBC

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Kurtz: Sean Spicer, take two

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz weighs in on the tug-of-war between the press and
President Trump's press secretary Sean Spicer

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‘Better for America to deal with countries one-on-one’ – commentator

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Former defense secretary sounds off Trump's cabinet appointees, the need for trust
between the president and the CIA, the Russian hacking controversy and his new
book, 'A Passion for Leadership' #Tucker

[Cidersomerset]

Kellyanne Conway on how Trump will get the economy going

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
On 'Hannity,' counselor to the president discusses Trump's
goal to fullfill campaign promises; addresses women's marches


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Sen. Mike Lee says he is optimistic about a Trump presidency

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
On 'Hannity,' the lawmaker wants to do what he can do to
make sure the president restores the Constitution

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Robert Gates: Some of Trump's picks can be transformative

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Published on 23 Jan 2017
Former defense secretary sounds off Trump's cabinet appointees, the need for trust
between the president and the CIA, the Russian hacking controversy and his new
book, 'A Passion for Leadership' #Tucker

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Mike Pompeo Confirmed as CIA Director

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Published on 23 Jan 2017

[Helene West]

Before I forget I just wanted to thank Turiya for this thread!
You mentioned closing the thread now that trump is in. I hope you keep it open for the first 100 days more at least.

During the last few months of the campaign I started getting more down in the dumps than usual. I couldn't go to my normal news sites. I started depending on this thread for the campaign/election news more and more. There was something about it being filtered by like minded and caring people that made it easier to take. I'm grateful for this thread. Thanks again Turiya...

[Bob]

Looks like Keystone Pipeline Executive order has been just signed. 28K Jobs declared possible

Looks like Dakota Access Pipeline Executive order has been signed. Both subject to discussion by the Whitehouse (US)

Looks like general Pipelines in the United States - Pipes will be made ONLY in the USA. Another order signed. Putting skilled workers and Industry back to work. "we will build our own pipeline, we will build our own pipes".


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White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Monday said both Dakota Access and Keystone are examples of projects that would "increase jobs, increase economic growth, and tap into America’s energy supply more." He said Trump wanted to balance environmental protection with activity that can grow jobs and the economy.

It wasn’t immediately clear what mechanism the documents Trump signed today would take. But his advisers have urged the new president to direct the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to grant an easement that would allow construction of the final portion of Dakota Access, reversing the Obama administration’s conclusion that more environmental scrutiny was needed.

The advisers had also urged the president to pave the way for Keystone XL by rescinding a 49-year-old directive from former President Lyndon B. Johnson that assigned the State Department responsibility for determining whether proposed cross-border energy projects serve the "national interest."

TransCanada may need to submit another formal application to build the pipeline. The company’s plans for Keystone XL already have been vetted, with years of environmental scrutiny culminating in Obama’s 2015 decision that the pipeline was not in the U.S. interest.

Another order, streamlining and reducing regulatory burdens signed. No more taking years to try to get permitting passed. "Regulatory Process tangled mess" to be eliminated..

Another order.. Expediting of Environmental reviews for high priority projects - such as if bridges or highways are crumbling, fix them NOW, not later..


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Canada has immense reserves of oil from tar sands.

China has been trying at least as early as 2010/2011 to obtain Canada's oil.. The Keystone Pipeline being blocked by Obama, then pushes Canada to eye favorably China to buy its crude.

China has been trying to get a pipeline from Alberta (where the existing smaller Keystone pipeline exists) to the coastal waters of British Columbia (west coast Canada) since the US blocked a new high volume "Keystone Pipeline" that would have brought Canadian crude to the US.

Getting the new high volume Keystone Pipeline back up and flowing means China won't be able to take the Canadian oil, and it will proceed to the US refiners benefiting the US instead of China.

https://canadians.org/blog/trudeau-discuss-canada-china-fta-tar-sands-pipeline-chinese-foreign-minister


"Polls show Canadians have a very negative impression of the Chinese government and are narrowly opposed to a free-trade deal with the country.

A Nanos Research survey, commissioned by The Globe and Mail in February, found [that] by a narrow margin, poll respondents did not like the idea of a China-Canada free-trade deal. Forty-seven per cent said they opposed or somewhat opposed talks, and 41 per cent said they supported or somewhat supported them."

Colin Robertson, a senior fellow at the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, says, "They would like to buy our Canadian oil and gas, but they can’t get it there because they don’t have the pipeline. Basically, they want us to get pipelines, as do the Japanese and Indians, to the coast so they can get access to oil and gas."

[eaglespirit]

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[Cidersomerset]

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Trump backs Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines
57 minutes ago

US President Donald Trump has infuriated environmentalists by
signing executive orders that support two controversial oil pipelines.

The new Republican president backed the Keystone XL and Dakota
Access projects, provided American steel is used.

The Obama administration in late 2015 halted Keystone, which would
carry crude from Canada to Texas.

The Army decided last year to explore other routes for the Dakota
pipeline amid huge protests by Native Americans.

read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38734450

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President Trump Signs Executive Orders To Advance Keystone XL, Dakota Access Pipelines | MSNBC

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Crediting the creation of construction jobs, President Trump reversed President
Obama's halt on the construction of the controversial Keystone and Dakota Access
pipelines despite ongoing protests

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Rep. Steve King: 'We Don't Really Care About The Popular Vote' | MSNBC

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Representative Steve King comments on Keystone Pipeline and how much voter
fraud occurred in the 2016 election.

[Bob]

What's interesting Cider, that Canada's "environmentalists" don't seem to be strongly opposing China's attempts to get a massive pipeline from the same location in Alberta (by the tar sands) to get to the west coast where it could potentially foul the area around Vancouver, damage fishing, and everything along the way from Vancouver BC to Hardisty, Alberta. So who's funding the 'environmentalists', Soros again? Asking/thinking out loud..

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/americas/2016/12/01/485505/Canada-PM.htm


TORONTO -- Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Tuesday approved one controversial pipeline from the Alberta oil sands to the Pacific Coast, but rejected another.

He approved Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline to the Vancouver suburb of Burnaby, British Columbia , but rejected Enbridge's Northern Gateway pipeline to Kitimat, B.C.

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These are the first major pipeline decisions for Trudeau, whose Liberal government is trying to balance the oil industry's desire to tap new markets in Asia with environmentalists' concerns.

"The project will triple our capacity to get Canadian energy resources to international markets beyond the United States," Trudeau said at an Ottawa news conference. "We took this decision today because we believe it is in the best interests of Canada."

Alberta, which has the world's third largest oil reserves, needs infrastructure in place to export its growing oil sands production.

http://www.vancouverobserver.com/sites/vancouverobserver.com/files/imagecache/vo_scale_w850/images/article/body/Map%20LNIB%20Lower%20Nicola%20Indian%20Band%20Kinder%20Morgan%20Trans%20Mountain%20expansion%20pipel ine%203000w_0.jpg

Approving Trans Mountain helps diversify Canada's oil exports.

Below - SATIRE ALERT - Isn't that a pretty picture, a nice little refinery abutting pristine forest and water.. (dohh..)


https://i.cbc.ca/1.1491344.1395154227!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/080429-chevron-refinery-reuters.jpg

Below - SATIRE ALERT - massive protests to block Trans Canada Pipeline

https://redpowermedia.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/11661883.jpg


Possibly Keystone would help both Country's economy?

Below, this is from a protest march in November, 2016 - the numbers were much larger as can be seen, but that didn't stop the signing/approval by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau..

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/11/29/world/30canada/-30canada-master768.jpg

How the two executive orders signed by President Trump today, the Keystone XL and DAPL being now put "back on track" will bring environmentalist protests is yet to be seen.

[Eram]

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Rep. Steve King: 'We Don't Really Care About The Popular Vote' | MSNBC

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Forget the talk about popular vote.

He talked about the 650.000 e-mails on Weiners computer. (starting at 2:35 min)
He wants them investigated and followed up on. !!!

[turiya]

Before I forget I just wanted to thank Turiya for this thread!
You mentioned closing the thread now that trump is in. I hope you keep it open for the first 100 days more at least.

During the last few months of the campaign I started getting more down in the dumps than usual. I couldn't go to my normal news sites. I started depending on this thread for the campaign/election news more and more. There was something about it being filtered by like minded and caring people that made it easier to take. I'm grateful for this thread. Thanks again Turiya...

Thank you, Helene...
As many know, here, a good place to go for factual news is ZeroHedge.com (http://www.zerohedge.com/). The site covers many aspects & issues. When I first came to know about it was by the way of economics, financials, and markets. This was when I was a member of only one other forum at that time - curezone.com (http://urezone.info/). This was, in fact, at a time when it was frequently visited by Tyler Durden. The first posts I remember him posting were about the Canadian psychic Douglas James Cottrell (http://www.douglasjamescottrell.com/). We didn't hit it off at the time because I was rather skeptical on the correctness of Cottrell's predictions... As an example he predicted that President Obama would be assassinated (https://youtu.be/wo6CnuFJ9pw?t=22m28s) (click on the highlighted phrase)... another video of what he said of Obama ("being a ray of hope") caused me to discount most of the rest of what he was putting forth...


Douglas James Cottrell:
Obama Presidency's future examined
(Uploaded on Oct 13, 2011)

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Trump Signs Executive Orders Renegotiating Keystone XL, Dakota Access Pipelines (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/trump-sign-executive-orders-advancing-keystone-dakota-pipelines)

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On Tuesday morning, Trump continued to steamroll Obama's legacy by signing executive orders which will renegotiate the terms of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
Jan 24, 2017 9:19 AM

Sean Spicer's Second White House Press Briefing - Live Feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/sean-spicers-second-white-house-press-briefing-live-feed)

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After a bizarre first press briefing earlier this week in which Sean Spicer slammed the media for their obsession with Trump's inaugural crowd sizes, Spicer is set to take questions once again from an undoubtedly anxious press corps starting at 3:30PM EST
Jan 24, 2017 1:25 PM


EU - Not China Or Japan - Is The Biggest US Treasury Holder (And This Is Not A Good Sign) (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/eu-not-china-or-japan-biggest-us-treasury-holder-and-not-good-sign)

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Mainstream media are reporting that Japan has become the biggest holder of the US treasuries, surpassing China last month. However, this is true only in regard to single countries, as The EU became the top US Treasury holder in February 2016, i.e. one year ago. Unfortunately, the EU’s holdings are artificially overstated because of some financial havens and they are going in the opposite direction to the trend: up rather than down.


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China Deploys ICBM System "In Response To Trump's Provocative Remarks" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/china-deploys-icbm-system-response-trumps-provocative-remarks)

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Beijing has deployed advanced Dongfeng-41 ICBMs in China's Heilongjiang Province according to Chinese media reports based on images, possibly leaked to coincide with Donald Trump’s inauguration as US president. According to Chinese media, "this is Beijing's response to Trump's provocative remarks on China."
Jan 24, 2017 11:59 AM

Trump: America For The Americans! (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/trump-america-americans)

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As the patriotic pageantry of Inauguration Day gave way to the demonstrations of defiance Saturday, our new America came into view. We are two nations now, two peoples.
Jan 24, 2017 11:36 AM

Chinese Warships In Persian Gulf For First Time Since 2010 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/chinese-warships-persian-gulf-first-time-2010)

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In a deployment not seen in seven years, three Chinese warships including a guided-missile destroyer warship embarked on a tour of Gulf Arab states for the first time since 2010 in what al Arabiya (http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/01/23/Chinese-warships-tour-Gulf-Arab-states-for-first-time-since-2010.html)has called Beijing's "desire to play a bigger role on the global stage."
Jan 24, 2017 11:12 AM

Limo Destroyed By Anti-Trump Rioters In DC Belongs To Muslim Immigrant, Fears Livelihood Lost (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/limo-destroyed-anti-trump-rioters-dc-belongs-muslim-immigrant-fears-livelihood-lost)

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Images of so-called anti-Trump rioters breaking Starbucks' windows, busting trash cans, and burning bourgeois limousines in the streets of Washington DC really exposed the reality of the alt-left's tolerance and 'stuck it to the man'. The only problem being, in the case of the limo, 'the man' was Muslim immigrant Muhammad Ashraf whose small business now faces $70,000 losses and an injured employee.

More at the link (http://www.zerohedge.com/)

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The 'Lame stream' are daily trying to keep Trump in a defensive mode .....

The press can twist any comment public or private and Trump will have get used to
that very quick as it will be worse in the White House than on the electoral road. He
knows this and will need a little time to adjust, though I doubt it will stop him
expressing his thoughts out loud....LOL

The topics raised by Trump are discussed on the web and it makes me laugh how
shocked the mainstream journalists are , they should spend time on the web as
part of their research for balance if nothing else. The Donald will keep Kellyanne,
Sean Spicer and his other press aids busy as the mainstream continue to 'snipe'
at any unguarded or purposely dropped comment.

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Trump Claims 3 to 5 million Illegal ballots cost him the popular vote congressional meeting

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Published on 23 Jan 2017


Days after being sworn in, President Trump insisted to congressional leaders invited to
a reception at the White House that he would have won the popular vote had it not been
for millions of illegal votes, according to people familiar with the meeting .
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Graham: Trump can't govern if he keeps making fraud ...

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

Republican Sen. Lindsay Graham of South Carolina tells CNN that President Trump's
inability to let go of false election fraud claims will "erode his ability to govern."

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Press secretary: President Trump still believes voter fraud cost him

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
During his second White House press briefing, press secretary Sean Spicer said President
Donald Trump still believes millions of people voted illegally in the election, costing Trump
the popular vote. But he provided no evidence to support that.

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WH: Trump Voter Fraud Claims Based on 'Evidence'

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

CBS News' Steve Chaggaris explains President Trump's agenda after meeting with
executives from the auto industry.

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Sean Spicer says there may be an investigation because "anything's possible."



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Lowry, Wolf debate how Trump White House is handling media

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Fox News contributors weigh in

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President Trump is keeping FBI Director James Comey

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
CBS News has confirmed that President Trump asked FBI Director James Comey to
remain in his role. CBS News justice reporter Paula Reid joins CBSN with the latest details.

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More Trump Cabinet nominees face lawmakers

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
More of President Trump's Cabinet picks faced confirmation hearings on Capitol Hill
on Tuesday, including Tom Price for health secretary and Mick Mulvaney to head
the White House budget office. CBS News congressional correspondent Nancy
Cordes joins CBSN with the latest.

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Here's some love for you, Barron Trump!

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Wow. The internet seriously ripped our new First Son to shreds recently, when he
made an appearance at his father's inauguration. People were very mean, including
an SNL writer who tweeted something very ugly about the child. The ugliness over
Barron Trump proves just how futile it is to engage in comments online. Follow The
Resident at http://www.twitter.com/TheResident


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Trump views Dakota Pipeline as deal, not environmental issue

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

New White House press secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference on Tuesday.
Major themes were jobs and the economy. RT America’s Ed Schultz attended the
presser and now joins RT America correspondent Simone Del Rosario to provide his
insight and analysis

[Cidersomerset]

This is a good discussion between two old pros.....

A Pair of Political Atheists: Lionel Interviews the Inimitable and Ineffable Gerald Celente

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Published on 24 Jan 2017


You have seen him everywhere. He’s nonpareil and sui generis in his genius,
message and presentation. Gerald Celente, who developed the Globalnomic®
methodology to identify, track, forecast and manage trends, is a political atheist.
Unencumbered by political dogma, rigid ideology or conventional wisdom, Celente,
whose motto is “think for yourself,” observes and analyzes the current events
forming future trends for what they are — not for the way he wants them to be.
And while Celente holds a U.S. passport, he considers himself a citizen of the world.
He’s vatic, pythonic and without peer

[MorningSong]

Sorry to rehash the discussion on how many people were or weren't at the Trump inauguration, but here is a CNN interactive panarama... for those who might find it interesting:

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

[Cidersomerset]

Sorry to rehash the discussion on how many people were or weren't at the Trump
inauguration, but here is a CNN interactive panarama... for those who might find it interesting:

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2...ion-gigapixel/


That looks packed to me is that the point you are making ?

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Still creating mischief.....Mr Kane shows a blown up photo which is virtually empty
He does not say what time the photo was taken . The CNN panorama you posted
looks pretty packed to me I know its not an aerial photo but the one MR.Kane is
showing does not look right and needs a time stamp.....

Inauguration crowd size controversy resurfaces in confirmation hearing

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
President Trump's nominee to lead the White House budget office, Mick Mulvaney,
was asked for his thoughts on Trump's inauguration turnout during his confirmation
hearing. CBSN's Reena Ninan and Vladimir Duthiers have more details.

[MorningSong]

Yes, Cid, I guess that is what I was implying.... it looks like a huge ammount of people to me and very few empty areas with the exception of areas which were off-limits with police in and around them.

[Cidersomerset]

Saturday night live are milking Trump , which cannot be all bad as they
used to say in show business no publicity is bad publicity , some of the
skits are in poor taste but Kellyanne got star billing last Saturday in an
homage to another blonde with a link to a controversial President.....



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Kellyanne Conway - SNL

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Published on 22 Jan 2017


Kellyanne Conway (Kate McKinnon) reveals the real reason she joined Donald Trump's campaign.

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Professor: Networks should stop interviewing Conway

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Professor argues TV networks should stop putting White House counselor Kellyanne
Conway on-air because Trump often contradicts her and the audience does not
understand more about him.

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(1/23/2017)
Hour 1 - Robert Steele -
Has The Establishment Already Isolated Trump?

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Robert Steele Website (http://phibetaiota.net/)

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Can Trump Overcome?
Robert Steele
(Published on Jan 23, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhgtg-4EU8U
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Robert David Steele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_David_Steele) (born July 16, 1952) is an American activist and former Central Intelligence Agency clandestine services case officer. He is known for his promotion of open-source intelligence (OSINT).[2][3] He was a candidate for the Reform Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2012 presidential election until February 23, 2012.[4]

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Three days in and Trump has
already kept one pledge (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/03/can-trump-fix-the-economy-in-2017-paul-craig-roberts/)
— Paul Craig Roberts
January 24, 2017 | Categories: Articles & Columns
On Trump’s third day Trump is one up on the Establishment. Can this last?

I am not a Trump booster. I am a scorekeeper.

On the third day of his presidency Donald Trump signed an executive order withdrawing the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Based on this we must assume he will also deep-six the Trans-Atlantic Partnership.

Trump and his advisors regard the Pacific and Atlantic partnerships as trade deals like NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement that sent American jobs to Mexico at the expense of Americans.

However, the most strategic part of these agreements is that they make global corporations immune from the laws of the countries in which they do business if those laws adversely impact the profits of the global corporations.

Who decides the question? Not the courts of the countries or a world court.
The question is decided by a corporate tribunal staffed only by corporations.

In other words, the sovereign laws of sovereign countries, such as France’s laws against GMOs, are subject to damage suits decided by corporate tribunals, which means the end of the legal sovereignty of countries.

The so-called trade partnerships are weapons of American economic imperialism.

Whether Trump and his advisors are aware of this or not, Trump has on his third day dealt a lethal blow to a power lusted after by US global corporations.

How will this formidable force respond to this blow inflicted upon them by Trump?

That remains to be seen if the blows that Trump has promised against the interests of the elites continue.

Global corporations are Fifth Columns in the countries in which they are incorporated and also in the foreign countries in which they do business. They have no loyalty to any country, only to the profits that comprise their bottom line. Anything that increases those profits they regard as legitimate. Anything that diminishes those profits they regard as illegitimate.

Modern capitalism is a profit-driven world, in which capitalists are devoid of the loyalty to their native countries that Adam Smith and David Ricardo assumed them to have. US global corporations have demonstrated their disloyalty to the US by moving US jobs to Asia. Think Apple, Nike, Levi, and all the rest. Jobs offshoring separates consumers from the incomes associated with the production of the goods that they consume, which leads to penury.

The rewards for the offshoring global corporations have been large profits from reduced labor and regulatory costs, resulting in executive “performance bonuses” and capital gains to shareholders and to executives with stock options or some similar income booster.

The costs have been the dismantling of the ladders of upward mobility that made the US an “opportunity society.” High productivity, high valued added manufacturing and professional skill jobs, such as software engineering jobs, have been moved offshore, and in the case of software jobs also given to foreign H1B work visa holders. The consequence is the collapse of the state, local, and federal tax base, and the consequent assault on Social Security, Medicare, and state and local pensions.

A country like the US that gives its GNP away to other countries is locked into a transformation from First World to Third World. This is what Trump has said he will reverse.

How can he do it? Is this something that he can deliver by cutting corporate tax rates and by imposing an import or border tax?

The US is a member of the World Trade Agreement, which prohibits tarrifs or “border taxes.” If this is correct, Trump would first have to pull the US out of the WTO, something that might be difficult.

However, what Trump can do is to offset the labor cost advantage to corporate profits from offshoring their production for US markets by changing how corporations are taxed.

If US corporations add value to their product in the US, that is, if they produce the products that they market to Americans in the US with American labor, they would have a lower tax rate than if they produce the products abroad with foreign labor. The difference in the tax rate can be calculated to offset, or more than offset, the advantage of the lower labor and regulatory costs abroad. This is a matter of domestic taxation and not a matter of tarrifs on foreign-produced goods, and, therefore, it is not subject to WTO rules.

Because of the globalist propaganda, Americans have forgotten that the strength of their economy was domestically-based. The development of the US economy was never based on foreign trade. It rested firmly in the rise of consumer spending power from America labor receiving the bulk of the productivity gains.

What jobs offshoring did was to transfer the income gains from productivity to corporate profits by underpaying Asian labor.

It was easy to pay Asian labor less than labor’s contribution to profit, because of the immense excess supply of Chinese, Indian, Indonesian, and other labor. When labor is plentiful and jobs are scarce, labor goes begging.

Even today the Chinese and Indian labor forces are under-employed. The only way American labor can compete is to accept a wage below the US standard of living.

Trump understands this, just as did Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan.

Ross Perot was a billionaire; yet he stood up for ordinary working Americans. Yet, the left says all billionaires are evil.

Pat Buchanan was royalty in the Republican Establishment; yet he deserted them and stood up for the ordinary working American. And the left says he is a “Nixon-Reagan fascist.”

Clearly, the pathetic remnant of the American left has more hate for those who stand up for the working class than they have for those oppressing the working class and those fomenting war. Why did the women so quick to march against Trump not march against the Clinton, Bush/Cheney, and Obama regimes for killing, maiming, orphaning, widowing, and dislocating millions of peoples in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, and Syria?

That we see the left aligned with the ruling elites against Trump is proof that the left has abandoned the working class.

Chris Hedges doesn’t know how desperately revolution is needed in the US. If revolution occurs, it is more likely to be led by Donald Trump than by the left.

Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/24/three-days-trump-already-kept-one-pledge/)

[Cidersomerset]

A Day at the White House with Hannity......

Hannity: Liberal media get a wakeup call from Trump admin

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Oregon, pressed Rep. Mick Mulvaney on if Trump's crowd was
bigger than former President Obama's. CBS News congressional correspondent
Nancy Cordes joins CBSN's "Red & Blue" with more.

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Spicer on the predisposition in the media to undermine Trump

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

On 'Hannity,' the White House press secretary explains
how he plans on handling the mainstream media

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Sean Spicer gives a tour of the White House briefing room

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
The press secretary provides an inside look on 'Hannity'

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Congressmen on how they will help implement Trump's agenda

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
Reps. Blackburn, Jordan, Meadows and Gohmert lay out their goals on 'Hannity'

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Ted Cruz is encouraged by President Trump's agenda so far

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

On 'Hannity,' the lawmaker says the president's Cabinet appointments have been phenomenal

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Matt Taibbi followed the Trump road to the White House...


‘Donald Trump was a gold mine for all the media companies’ – Matt Taibbi


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Published on 24 Jan 2017
In his new book “Insane Clown President,” Rolling Stone contributing editor Matt Taibbi
recounts the rise of President Donald Trump, the media's role in his candidacy and offers
an inside look at Trump’s surprise ascendancy to the Oval Office. On this episode of
Politicking, Taibbi joins Larry King to discuss the book and offer his insights into the
Trump phenomenon.

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This episode is a Trump 'love fest'...LOL

CrossTalk: Trump's Media War

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
Battle lines have been drawn and marching orders assigned: Welcome to the media
war of a new kind. The choice is easy – you can pick Donald Trump or the liberal
mainstream media. CrossTalking with Eddie Scarry, Pamela Geller, and John Cardillo.

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Secret Service agent wouldn't defend Trump

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

The Secret Service said Tuesday it is taking "appropriate action" after an
agent suggested on Facebook that she would not defend President Donald
Trump should someone try to shoot him.

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Kurtz: Media ‘war’ overshadows Trump’s early moves

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz weighs in on the media's attacks on every move
President Trump has made since taking office

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How forgotten auto workers helped swing the election

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
Are their CEO's ready to listen to the president?

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Hilton on what US can gain from a better deal with the UK

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
Fox News contributor sounds off

[Chester]

However, the most strategic part of these agreements is that they make global corporations immune from the laws of the countries in which they do business if those laws adversely impact the profits of the global corporations.

Who decides the question? Not the courts of the countries or a world court.
The question is decided by a corporate tribunal staffed only by corporations.

In other words, the sovereign laws of sovereign countries, such as France’s laws against GMOs, are subject to damage suits decided by corporate tribunals, which means the end of the legal sovereignty of countries.

The so-called trade partnerships are weapons of American economic imperialism.

Whether Trump and his advisors are aware of this or not, Trump has on his third day dealt a lethal blow to a power lusted after by US global corporations.


About 2 months ago, I saw a post (perhaps in this thread but if not, it was elsewhere on this forum) which quoted the text in the proposed TPP that specifically outlined this component of the agreement.

IMO, as well is the opinion of many others I have spoken with, that component alone... especially if this same component spread to the other proposed trade agreements - would be the strongest, most powerful "nail" in the coffin of humanity with regards to the world becoming full blown fascist.

So now I ask the readers here to ask themselves a very easy question to answer. Is that component representative of a fascist agenda? I will give my answer - YES.

I then considered how Trump had blasted TPP for months by arguing that it was bad for US by citing trade disadvantages... something that fit right into his primary theme that he wished to help the working folks in the US. But I make odds almost 100% that he was fully aware of this particular component to the deal. But also, he's a smart man and he certainly knows that this component was the gold within the deal as eyed by those whose agenda is to install a global, fascist one world order.

If so far, anyone who has read this post also agrees, then I ask you this question. How can folks throw the label of "fascist" on Trump and/or fascism on his agenda when Trump didn't just talk the talk, but actually and swiftly followed through on his promise to kill the deal?

Now I am not the sharpest guy in the world (by a long shot) but I can easily see promise after promise made by Trump having elements of anti-fascism and if actions prove prior words (promises) should be taken seriously when it comes to policy,... this is what is becoming known as "Trumpism."

For now, it would be fantasy to expect corporations to be wiped away. But the massive difference between multi-national corporations being in charge of their own oversight is night and day worse than nations having their laws and court systems minding the hen house (still a problem but a problem each nation can deal with as the movement moves forward).

Anyway, as far as actions from the Trump administration goes... this is just the beginning, folks.


Now another point.

Recall how after it was clear that Trump received a great deal of support from potential voters for his position on TPP that Hillary suddenly came out "against it?"

Does anyone here think that if she had been elected, that she would not have gone for a minor adjustment to the deal while leaving in the actual gold (the tribunals)? Does anyone not think she would have proclaimed how she was "watching out for the people" and "leading" with regards to "forcing" those other countries to agree to the meaningless adjustment and then signed the agreement?

Does any reader here actually question the incredible "death knell blow" the US (and perhaps the world if other countries are wise enough to force their leaders to follow) avoided? At least so far?

When are the nay-sayer folks going to start looking at this administration's actions which started Nov 9, 2016 by the way) and stop creating and promulgating dark fantasies so often based on silly words spoken by a non-politician?

Focus on the policies, especially the form of the policies, being implemented. Focus on the results of these implementations which are already starting to show.

Seriously... and this isn't just about the US, folks... its a movement, Brexit, as an example, other elections and parallel trends show this movement is not at all isolated to the US.


I want to make one last point.

Almost every single adult on Earth, especially above the age of 35, has children. For folks who do not, most have brothers and sisters and most of them have children. This would also include the adults caught up in the darker activities. I have no doubt that many of these same folks have within their heart a hope, wish and desire that perhaps all our children might become free of the truly terrible reality many of us know is actually going on.

Just like there were voters who wouldn't tell anyone they were voting for Trump, there are certainly many trapped in the darkness who are rooting for the shift in our world which could free us all, especially with regards to our loved ones we leave behind.

[ALLARON]

How does this all marry up to Trump removing support systems for violence against women, healthcare for women, and laws that protect the environment? The EPA is the last stop between corporate industrial dumping and human and biological health.

Please read this: http://www.businessinsider.com/epa-freeze-trump-2017-1

The Environmental Protection Agency has frozen all new grants and contracts and barred its employees from talking about it with the press or public.

That's according to reports from ProPublica and The Huffington Post as well as information passed anonymously from EPA staff to Business Insider.

Business Insider reached out to the EPA to confirm the reports, as well as a report that President Donald Trump has barred the EPA from funding its own science, but did not immediately receive a response.

The EPA's core mission is to protect Americans from poisons and other dangers in their air, water, and soil. Much of that work happens through private contractors hired by the EPA for services like water-quality testing and cleanups.

With all new grants and contracts frozen, it's unclear how work will continue. Here's what still a mystery:


Does the freeze affect the $6.4 billion in active contracts the EPA already has in place?
Is the freeze indefinite or temporary?
Should we expect a shift in the kinds of projects the EPA takes on or how it handles them?
The Trump administration apparently doesn't intend to answer those questions yet.

EPA employees reportedly received a memo from a member of the agency staff instructing them not to talk to the press or public. It bars employees from issuing press releases, sharing information on agency social media, blogging, putting new information on the agency website, or sending messages on agency listservs, because those messages might leak to the public.

The memo also says that all speaking engagements by agency employees are on hold, pending a review. (You can read the memo in full at The Huffington Post.)

As Business Insider has reported in the past, federal agencies are big and mostly staffed with nonpolitical civil servants. That can provide cover for scientists and other staff members who want to work on controversial issues like climate change, even when a new presidential administration is hostile to their work. There's simply too much going on in too many places for politicians to snuff it all out.

However, the Trump administration has been particularly hostile to the EPA. Trump's pick to lead the agency, Scott Pruitt, is involved in active lawsuits against EPA activities across the country. Pruitt argued in his confirmation hearing that the EPA had far overstepped its bounds as a regulatory agency.

Further, Trump's transition at the EPA was led by Myron Ebell, a man who has made a career of denying the science of climate change.

Ebell, who no longer works with the transition, told ProPublica, "They're trying to freeze things to make sure nothing happens they don't want to have happen, so any regulations going forward, contracts, grants, hires, they want to make sure to look at them first."

[Eram]

I know there's a lot of nasty jokes about Trump making the rounds on social media, but this one from a Dutch satire tv show was actually pretty funny imo.

His words of introduction are:
45th prez is now inaugurated.
He had a clear message to the rest of the world. I'll "peep" you all (sort of a dutch play on words)
Well and because we all understand that we better not upset Trump and try to be friends with him, we have made a little introduction video about Holland for him:.....

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This Dutch satire piece on Trump is getting out of hand now.
Some jokers have made an official petition about it.
If more then 100.000 people sign it, Trump has to run this through Congress.


The Netherlands has requested, within the scope of the new America first initiatives, to be simply: second. They don't want us to forget about them. So the White House should give them a call. 2nd place is open, and they asked nicely before anyone else. We'll make them great too. We can do it.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/america-first-make-netherlands-second-because-they-requested-it

[PurpleLama]

I know there's a lot of nasty jokes about Trump making the rounds on social media, but this one from a Dutch satire tv show was actually pretty funny imo.

His words of introduction are:
45th prez is now inaugurated.
He had a clear message to the rest of the world. I'll "peep" you all (sort of a dutch play on words)
Well and because we all understand that we better not upset Trump and try to be friends with him, we have made a little introduction video about Holland for him:.....

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This Dutch satire piece on Trump is getting out of hand now.
Some jokers have made an official petition about it.
If more then 100.000 people sign it, Trump has to run this through Congress.


The Netherlands has requested, within the scope of the new America first initiatives, to be simply: second. They don't want us to forget about them. So the White House should give them a call. 2nd place is open, and they asked nicely before anyone else. We'll make them great too. We can do it.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/america-first-make-netherlands-second-because-they-requested-it

I signed it!

[turiya]

If so far, anyone who has read this post also agrees, then I ask you this question. How can folks throw the label of "fascist" on Trump and/or fascism on his agenda when Trump didn't just talk the talk, but actually and swiftly followed through on his promise to kill the deal?

Now I am not the sharpest guy in the world (by a long shot) but I can easily see promise after promise made by Trump having elements of anti-fascism and if actions prove prior words (promises) should be taken seriously when it comes to policy,... this is what is becoming known as "Trumpism."

For now, it would be fantasy to expect corporations to be wiped away. But the massive difference between multi-national corporations being in charge of their own oversight is night and day worse than nations having their laws and court systems minding the hen house (still a problem but a problem each nation can deal with as the movement moves forward).

Anyway, as far as actions from the Trump administration goes... this is just the beginning, folks.

I'm also neither the sharpest tack in the box...

And so, this notion - of Trump being associated with fascism - now, this was the very first thought that floated into my brain when I first heard that he was running for the Presidency (April 2016)... I suppose the reason why this notion came to mind was because of a definition of 'fascism' that I had heard at a time previously... and that definition is: The merging of government with corporation(s) = fascism. And since Trump being known as a billionaire businessman - my thinking instantly gravitated into this false idea - that a Trump presidency would certainly make this country more fascist than it had already become.

It wasn't until I began trying to understand why most career politicians on both sides & the MSM corporate news outlets were expressing their outrage with Trump, that I started to pay attention to what he was actually saying. And a short time of going through a few speeches did I immediately understand that this was not the case.

As you may know, I have spent a considerable time meditating... there was a time that I spent 2-1/2 years in India doing nothing but - in an attempt to get my health back - it was literally, a life or death situation. After coming back to America, I immediately found that my intuitive sense had become enhanced. I realized that I could tell when someone was telling me the truth or lying to me. Its like I could read between the lines of what people were saying - more like a sense in feeling what was said. Anyways, when I listened to what Trump was saying - it immediately struck me - that he truly meant what he was saying - I sensed it - he was speaking true.

Now, I realize that not everyone has this kind of sensitivity. So for most, it would seem that they are only looking at Trump as a billionaire business man, so how could it be anything different than his being for a corporate control over government.

Its nice to have a knowledgeable individual, such as Paul Craig Roberts, make it so patently clear with his above article, in that the hidden agenda within the TPP would be to remove individual nations from their sovereignty. The obvious next step to be taken is to withdraw membership from the United Nations, as Ted Cruz is suggesting. We may yet see American court system distancing itself from UCC / Maritime Law & returning to the Law of the Land.


CRUZ JOINS TRUMP IN CUTTING
OFF UNITED NATIONS FUNDING
(Published on Dec 30, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyAlooC4W8c




When are the nay-sayer folks going to start looking at this administration's actions which started Nov 9, 2016 by the way) and stop creating and promulgating dark fantasies so often based on silly words spoken by a non-politician?

I want to make one last point.

Almost every single adult on Earth, especially above the age of 35, has children. For folks who do not, most have brothers and sisters and most of them have children. This would also include the adults caught up in the darker activities. I have no doubt that many of these same folks have within their heart a hope, wish and desire that perhaps all our children might become free of the truly terrible reality many of us know is actually going on.

Just like there were voters who wouldn't tell anyone they were voting for Trump, there are certainly many trapped in the darkness who are rooting for the shift in our world which could free us all, especially with regards to our loved ones we leave behind.





BLINDED BY THE DARK (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/24/blinded-by-the-dark/)

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Via Branco (http://comicallyincorrect.com/2017/01/23/blinded-by-the-dark/)

[turiya]

How does this all marry up to Trump removing support systems for violence against women, healthcare for women, and laws that protect the environment? The EPA is the last stop between corporate industrial dumping and human and biological health.

Please read this: http://www.businessinsider.com/epa-freeze-trump-2017-1
One thing is to point out that the Business Insider article is written by liberal-biased journalist, Rafi Letzter (http://www.businessinsider.com/author/rafi-letzter). So, the context will have a slant to it - leaning to the left, as The Huffington Post is as well.

It might serve you well to get a view from yet another window regarding this issue. It may answer most, if not all, your questions...


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Trump Orders Media Blackout At
Government Agencies: Bans Use Of
Social Media, Bars New EPA Contracts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-14/trump-team-will-not-attend-davos-would-betray-populist-fueled-movement)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 24, 2017 9:46 PM
It wasn't just the EPA.

Earlier today, we reported that the Trump administration instituted a media blackout at the Environmental Protection Agency and barred staff from awarding any new contracts or grants.

Emails sent to EPA staff since President Donald Trump's inauguration on Friday and reviewed by The Associated Press, detailed the specific prohibitions banning press releases, blog updates or posts to the agency's social media accounts. On Monday, the Huffington Post reported that EPA grants had been frozen, with agency employees barred from speaking of the matter. The memo ordering the social media blackout is shown below.


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/01/15/EPA%20gag.jpg

Cited by The Hill, Myron Ebell, who leads the Trump EPA transition, confirmed the freeze to ProPublica. “They’re trying to freeze things to make sure nothing happens they don’t want to have happen, so any regulations going forward, contracts, grants, hires, they want to make sure to look at them first,” Ebell told ProPublica. Trump's pick for EPA director, Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, has frequently challenged agency policy in court.

The Trump administration reportedly told the Department of the Interior to stop tweeting from its accounts over the weekend after the National Park Service's Twitter account retweeted a post about the crowd sizes at Trump's inauguration Friday. The agency brought back its accounts on Saturday.

Asked if the EPA had been gagged, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said on Tuesday: "I don't know ... we're looking into it ... I don't think it's a surprise we're going to review the policies but I don't have any info at this time."

According to Reuters sources, the move "reinforced concerns that Trump, a climate change doubter, could seek to sideline scientific research showing that carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming, as well as the career staffers at the agencies that conduct much of this research."

The agency also was asked by the White House on Monday to temporarily halt all contracts, grants and interagency agreements pending a review, according to multiple sources. The EPA awards billions of dollars worth of grants and contracts every year to support programs around environmental testing, cleanups and research. According to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN15822X), the White House sent a letter to the EPA's Office of Administration and Resources Management ordering the freeze on Monday. "Basically no money moving anywhere until they can take a look," the staffer said, asking not to be named.


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Now, as Reuters adds (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-epa-idUSKBN15822X), other agencies were also impacted, and the Trump's administration has put staff at a slew of government agencies on notice - "be careful what you say."

In addition to the EPA, the Interior Department and the U.S. Department of Agriculture also has seen efforts to curb communication. On Monday, staff at the department's Agricultural Research Service (ARS) were asked in an email to suspend the release of "any public-facing documents."

"This includes, but is not limited to, news releases, photos, fact sheets, news feeds, and social media content," the email said.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture disavowed the email on Tuesday, saying in a statement that it was released without "departmental direction and prior to departmental guidance being issued."

"ARS will be providing updated direction to its staff," according to the statement.

The ARS focuses on scientific research into the main issues facing agriculture, including long-term climate change.

Last week, staff at the Interior Department were told to stop posting on Twitter after an employee retweeted posts about the relatively low attendance at Trump's inauguration, and about how the issues of climate change and civil rights had disappeared from the White House website.

The department has since resumed tweeting.

ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-24/trump-bans-epa-employees-using-social-media-bars-new-contracts)

[sunpaw]

Wow, didn't expect that...

[Cidersomerset]

Trump announces investigation of alleged voter fraud

6R1h4SQ9JtE
Published on 25 Jan 2017
In a morning tweet, President Trump said there will be an investigation of voter
fraud allegations. CBS News' Nancy Cordes explains that the Trump team has
provided no evidence to back up the claim.

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Judge Jeanine: Dead people vote all the time

gHbOGSbU4eM

Published on 25 Jan 2017
President Trump says he's asking for a 'major investigation' into voter fraud

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President Trump Still Believes There Was Widespread Voting Fraud in the Election,
White House Says

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Published on 24 Jan 2017
There has been no hard evidence offered to back up his claim that millions voted illegally.

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Trump pledges 'major investigation into voter fraud'
5 hours ago


President Donald Trump has promised a "major investigation into voter fraud", after
making claims about millions of illegal ballots.The new president said the inquiry
would include "those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal".

read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38746559

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Sean Spicer details Trump border wall executive order

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Published on 25 Jan 2017

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said President Trump will sign an
executive order Wednesday paving the way for the construction of a wall between
the United States and Mexico. Spicer reiterated that "one way or another" Mexico
will pay for the wall. Watch Spicer's statement.

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Trump vows to move forward with building border wall

1pGtBbyVJXk

Published on 25 Jan 2017

President Trump is expected to sign an executive order to proceed with the building
of a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico, a major cornerstone of his campaign.
Politico reporter Alex Isenstadt joins CBSN with more.


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Rep. Darrell Issa on Trump ordering new border directives

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
Executive order to include a new wall, end catch and release

[RunningDeer]

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Breaking! ABC News Claims Ownership Of Trumps's Presidential Message

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Published on Jan 25, 2017

[Cidersomerset]

Dow tops 20,000 for the first time ever

1pGtBbyVJXk

Published on 25 Jan 2017
Stock market opens with record breaker

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Dow passes 20,000-point milestone

I68LCuneUPQ

Published on 25 Jan 2017
Yahoo's Rick Newman discusses the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which
crossed 20,000 for the first time during the trading day.

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LIVE: President Trump Full Speech at Department of Homeland Security | ABC News

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President Trump visits Department of Homeland Security as he prepares to unveil
his first executive actions on immigration, according to congressional and
administration sources.

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Full video: Border wall and more discussed at White House briefing

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Published on 25 Jan 2017

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer kicked off his Wednesday briefing by
announcing the executive orders President Trump would sign to begin construction
of a border wall with Mexico. He then took questions about the possibility of
reviewing CIA "black sites" and Trump's tweet about sending feds into Chicago. See
the full briefing.

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Trump orders wall to be built on Mexico border
13 minutes ago

President Donald Trump has issued an executive order for an "impassable physical
barrier" to be built along the US border with Mexico.He also signed an action to
strip funds from US cities that are sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants.
Mr Trump said in a TV interview with ABC News that Mexico would "absolutely,
100%" reimburse the US for his wall.

Read more.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38740717

[Cidersomerset]

Ron Paul Thins Trump Is Trying To Stop Global Collapse From Happening

QYJR-_ZxOao

Published on 25 Jan 2017
Alex Jones talks with Ron Paul about how he feels about Donald Trump
and what he's accomplished so far as President of the United States.

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Trump rethinking overseas "black site" prisons

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
President Donald Trump is considering whether to order a major review of the ban
on CIA "black site" prisons overseas and methods for interrogating terror suspects.
CBS News national security correspondent David Martin has details.

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Published on 25 Jan 2017

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CBP Intelligence Chief: Securing The Border Is 'Attainable' | NBC News

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Published on 25 Jan 2017

In the first installment of “On the Beat,” a series of web interviews with public
servants, we ask the federal government’s chief intelligence officer for border
security whether U.S. borders are secure, whether border walls work, and whether
terrorists are trying to sneak across our borders.

[turiya]

Despite what the MSM 'Fake News' is doing in criticizing Donald Trump over his claims of 'Voter Fraud', this looks like another one of those 'things' where it will end up showing that Trump is right once again!

For example, Politifact has stated (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/dec/17/fact-checking-claims-voter-fraud-2016/):

"We rated that claim Pants on Fire (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/17/donald-trump/donald-trumps-pants-fire-claim-large-scale-voter-f/). There was no evidence then, and there has been no evidence since, of "large scale voter fraud."





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I will be asking for a major investigation into
VOTER FRAUD, including those registered to
vote in two states, those who are illegal and....

4:10 AM - 25 Jan 2017






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even, those registered to vote who are dead
(and many for a long time). Depending on
results, we will strengthen up voting
procedures!

4:13 AM - 25 Jan 2017






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http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/373370/images/unnamed%20(13)(11).jpg (https://twitter.com/JumpVote/status/797843232436748288)

http://i.imgur.com/Wx67VOd.jpg (https://twitter.com/TrueTheVote/status/823969150066446341)


Catherine's DIY Interview
(Published on Oct 27, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrXwwfKrCY4___________________________________

Obama Encourages Illegal Immigrants To Vote
(Published on Nov 5, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLO0WBvhF8___________________________________



Trump announces investigation of alleged voter fraud


6R1h4SQ9JtE
Published on 25 Jan 2017
In a morning tweet, President Trump said there will be an investigation of voter
fraud allegations. CBS News' Nancy Cordes explains that the Trump team has
provided no evidence to back up the claim.

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Judge Jeanine: Dead people vote all the time


gHbOGSbU4eM

Published on 25 Jan 2017
President Trump says he's asking for a 'major investigation' into voter fraud

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSXrwPj-m4Y

[Chester]

FYI Folks... payment for the wall has been secured, thanks to Mexico -

"Cha-Ching" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95330-The-great-wall&p=1129900&viewfull=1#post1129900)

[turiya]

Paul Craig Roberts Interview by X22Report... The Ruling Elites are Not Done w/ Trump...
Media is no longer run by journalists, but run by former government officials...


Paul Craig Roberts: The Elite
Are Not Finished With Trump Just Yet
(Published on Jan 24, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNj3nKoWUIk

[ALLARON]

The wall will be paid by US tax payers.
FYI Folks... payment for the wall has been secured, thanks to Mexico -

"Cha-Ching" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95330-The-great-wall&p=1129900&viewfull=1#post1129900)

[Chester]

Wednesday, January 25

President Trump Job Approval (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) Rasmussen Reports Approve 57, Disapprove 43 Approve +14

on another note -

If US tax payers provide a single cent for The Wall, each and every cent will all and only be an investment which will reap multiples above and beyond the investment.

[turiya]

http://www.gorena.org/images/logo-JudicialWatch.jpg

Border Patrol Alters Stats to Hide Release
of Criminal Aliens, High Recidivism (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/border-patrol-alters-stats-hide-release-criminal-aliens-high-recidivism/)
JANUARY 19, 2017 | Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/border-patrol-alters-stats-hide-release-criminal-aliens-high-recidivism/)
The U.S. Border Patrol alters statistics involving the apprehension of criminal illegal immigrants to conceal that thousands are being released, a new federal audit (http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/682074.pdf) reveals. The frontline Homeland Security agency charged with preventing terrorists and weapons—including those of mass destruction—from entering the country also skews figures to drastically deflate the high recidivism rate of aliens caught entering the U.S.

The distressing details of this crucial agency’s crafty record-keeping practices are outlined in a scathing report issued this month by the investigative arm of Congress, the Government Accountability Office (GAO). The probe focuses on a Border Patrol system developed to address a smuggling crisis along the southwest border. It’s officially known as Consequence Delivery System (CDS) and is used to identify the most effective and efficient consequences to deter illegal cross border activity in each of the agency’s sectors. For the system to work, the Border Patrol must report accurate information involving illegal aliens who are apprehended.

Instead, it appears that federal agents on the ground are being ordered to fudge the numbers as part of a broader Obama administration effort to protect illegal immigrants and falsely portray the Mexican border as safe. The GAO report suggests that Border Patrol headquarters directed agents to misclassify criminal illegal aliens, presumably to hide the fact that they were being released instead of prosecuted. Officials interviewed as part of the probe “said that agents received oral direction from headquarters to reclassify criminal aliens who cannot be given a consequence of federal prosecution, and that written data integrity guidance to sectors did not include activities for checking the accuracy of alien classifications,” the GAO report states.

The misclassification of apprehended illegal immigrants resulted in nearly 4,000 criminal aliens being returned to their home country rather than prosecuted between 2013 and 2015, the GAO found. After analyzing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data, congressional investigators determined that an astounding 94% (109,080) of the 116,409 aliens given a consequence of warrant or notice to appear still had an open case and “may remain in the United States.” Thousands more escaped criminal prosecution because they were not properly classified. “Specifically, of the approximate 15,000 apprehensions of criminal aliens who were not classified according to CDS guidance between fiscal years 2013 and 2015, 8 percent were recommended for criminal prosecution (3,912 apprehensions) compared to 47 percent of all criminal aliens during that timeframe,” the GAO writes.

In some cases, Department of Justice (DOJ) restrictions limit the number of illegal aliens that can be referred for prosecution, the report says. This leaves agents in a bind and hesitant to apply consequences that require referral to federal partners. Here’s an example:

“Rio Grande Valley sector officials said that while agents apprehended over 129,000 aliens in fiscal year 2015, the sector can only refer about 40 immigration-related cases each day to the corresponding USAO District (Southern District of Texas) for prosecution. Once this daily limit is reached, agents must apply an alternative consequence that is not the Most Effective and Efficient as defined by the CDS guide.”

Recidivism numbers are kept down by using an unscrupulous system that only classifies an apprehended illegal alien as recidivist if he or she had been previously caught within a fiscal year. The system doesn’t account for immigrants with no record of removal after apprehension and who may have remained in the United States without the opportunity to recidivate. The Border Patrol guidance also states that a first-time apprehension classification may be used on an alien that has been apprehended by another agency. Congressional investigators determined that the Border Patrol system slashed recidivism numbers in half. In one outrageous case cited in the report an “alien apprehended 54 times in the Rio Grande Valley sector between October 2012 and May 2015 was classified as a First Time Apprehension 6 times.”

Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/border-patrol-alters-stats-hide-release-criminal-aliens-high-recidivism/)


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http://www.gorena.org/images/logo-JudicialWatch.jpg
County Warns Employees
to Protect Illegal Aliens
Before Trump Inauguration (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/county-warns-employees-protect-illegal-aliens-trump-inauguration/)
JANUARY 23, 2017 | Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/county-warns-employees-protect-illegal-aliens-trump-inauguration/)
A day before the presidential inauguration, a major U.S. county slapped employees with a stern warning about their obligations under local sanctuary policies that protect illegal immigrants. In a two-page memo (http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/san-francisco-sanctuary-obligations/) obtained by Judicial Watch, officials in San Francisco reminded all city and county workers of their duties under the county’s longtime measures shielding illegal aliens from deportation. It appears that the document was issued as a preemptive strike against President Donald Trump’s hardline on illegal immigration.

“All people seeking or receiving City services must be treated with equal dignity, respect for human rights, and due process under the law, regardless of immigration status,” the memo states. “This includes informing them of their rights and access to services, as well as giving out general and/or translated information on services and programs that is timely, accurate and complete.” The memo, issued on official City and County of San Francisco letterhead and disseminated by Human Resources Director Micki Callahan, acknowledges that federal law prohibits local government entities or officials from restricting information regarding the citizenship or immigration status of any individual.

Nevertheless, the Bay Area government document states that city and county employees acting in their official capacities may not use city funds or resources to assist or cooperate with any investigation, detention, or arrest procedures conducted by federal immigration authorities and relating to alleged violations of the civil provisions of federal immigration law. The new memo further outlines the other provisions of the county’s sanctuary statute, including forbidding workers from denying illegal aliens city or county benefits on the condition of immigration status and banning them from requesting or giving out information regarding the release status of an immigrant. San Francisco public employees are also prohibited from responding to a federal immigration officer’s request for notification of an individual’s release, presumably because they have been earmarked for removal.

“It’s important to make sure all City employees are aware of these rules,” the memo, which is dated January 19, 2017, states. “Departments may include education on the City’s sanctuary city laws in regular employee trainings and orientations based on templates that will be established by the Office of Civil Engagement and Immigrant Affairs (OCEIA).” San Francisco officials end the document by conceding that it’s not a substitute for legal advice and that “state and federal law may impose additional obligations.”

Just days before the memo was distributed an illegal immigrant with a drunk-driving conviction sued San Francisco city police and county sheriff for turning him into immigration authorities after his car got stolen. The man, Pedro Figueroa Zarceno, was convicted of driving drunk in 2012, a local newspaper reports, and has an outstanding warrant for his deportation from more than 10 years ago. In his lawsuit, Zarceno claims that he plans to file for asylum, citing violence in his native El Salvador. In the article his pro bono attorney said that Zarceno was the victim of a crime who should have been protected by San Francisco’s sanctuary ordinance. “With an incoming federal administration threatening mass deportations and targeting sanctuary cities,” the attorney, Saira Hussain said, “we must hold SFPD and the Sheriff’s Department accountable and ensure that every single officer is following the city’s due process protections.”

Judicial Watch (http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2017/01/county-warns-employees-protect-illegal-aliens-trump-inauguration/)

[Bob]

I've seen many executive orders.

A simple question.

Who is the oversight, who looks after those who implement, activate, carry out, who watches them?

I know some have said Trump "fascist" Trump "Hitler-esque". I can see that point of view ONLY being even remotely possible IF IF IF, there is no oversight of those carrying out the executive orders.. Lack of oversight, and it just seems to me, there could be some pretty strong ego's "acting out" being the "police force" let's say to enforce the border rules.. Who watches them, those police that they are not doing something excessively? Given ultimate authority to enforce, just how will that appear? Checks and balances?

Just asking who and what exactly will be the "oversight", and who watches those who are doing the over-sight-ing? What reporting mechanism exists if "something goes wrong"? Will the reports actually make it to President Trump, up the "chain of command?" President Trump assured the American public they will not be ignored, their voices heard. Will that happen with oversight - will that happen if there are let's say "police" that feel they have ultimate enforcement ability?

Same question could be asked to each executive order.. who is the oversight, and what methods do they have to actually accomplish, report "issues", and then get them resolved? IS it a smooth well oiled machine?

Just asking what keeps niggling at me..

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Trump's only using the precedents set by presidents before him.

When we were bitching about what Obama and Bush were doing, what happened? Nothing. Obama "legalized" assassinating anyone, anywhere, for God's sake. Wikileaks even warned that Trump is taking that over now.

If people don't like what happens now then maybe they should have thought twice when they let Obama and Bush get away with the same powers.

[Cidersomerset]

President Trump: The White House Interview (Part 1)

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
Five days in, has the weight of the office changed President Trump?

President Trump: The White House Interview (Part 2)

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
The President discusses ‘black site’ prisons and his stance on torture.


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Tucker to BuzzFeed editor: Your agenda cloaked as journalism

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Published on 25 Jan 2017
Tucker takes on BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith as he continues to defend
publishing info from the unverified Russian 'dossier' on Donald Trump #Tucker

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Big crack down on illegal immigration

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Published on 25 Jan 2017

'The O'Reilly Factor': Bill O'Reilly's Talking Points 1/25; Plus reaction from Rep.
Steve King and Sen. Ted Cruz

[ALLARON]

??

Well lots of things should have happened that didn't. It doesn't mean we can't work towards making things better now. As long as we are allowed to have a voice, which with this new rulership doesn't look like something they like.


Trump's only using the precedents set by presidents before him.

When we were bitching about what Obama and Bush were doing, what happened? Nothing. Obama "legalized" assassinating anyone, anywhere, for God's sake. Wikileaks even warned that Trump is taking that over now.

If people don't like what happens now then maybe they should have thought twice when they let Obama and Bush get away with the same powers.

[Chester]

??

Well lots of things should have happened that didn't. It doesn't mean we can't work towards making things better now. As long as we are allowed to have a voice, which with this new rulership doesn't look like something they like.


Trump's only using the precedents set by presidents before him.

When we were bitching about what Obama and Bush were doing, what happened? Nothing. Obama "legalized" assassinating anyone, anywhere, for God's sake. Wikileaks even warned that Trump is taking that over now.

If people don't like what happens now then maybe they should have thought twice when they let Obama and Bush get away with the same powers.

In the US, the most powerful voice is the vote. Along with this is the format for which these votes elect the officials who are supposed to carry out the will of the people as expressed by their votes. These officials are elected along the guidelines of this US Constitutional Republic. On November 8, 2016, these voices were not just heard, but were acted upon.

As for "voices" being heard since November 8, 2016... I have witnessed a plethora of "voices" being invited to converse with DJT and this has continued to this day on a pace that perhaps has never been equaled in history. I feel it is important that all voices be heard. I also feel that it is important that what voices have to say is effective. And its my opinion that for the "what" of what voices have to say, this "what" should be factual, detailed, pragmatic, realistic, goal oriented... with those goals well defined, priced out (budgeted) and that when all this has occurred, that this is all honestly reported to the public such that the public can then vote on it and that our politicians are held accountable for following through on the will of the people within the framework provided by the US Constitution that happens to protect these very voices in its very first amendment.

[Cidersomerset]

Kellyanne Conway Talks Voter Fraud, Tiffany Trump's Voter Registration Status | TODAY

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
President Trump’s counselor Kellyanne Conway defends Trump’s executive orders
on immigration on TODAY, saying it’s “high time” the U.S. spend money protecting
its own borders. She also defends Trump’s call for an investigation into voter fraud
and pushes back about allegations that Trump’s daughter Tiffany is registered to
vote in two states. “Why not have an investigation?” she tells Matt Lauer.

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Kurtz: Trump's critics hitting a wall?

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
'MediaBuzz' host Howard Kurtz weighs in on the mainstream media criticizing
President Trump despite his productive first week in office

[Chester]

I've seen many executive orders.

A simple question.

Who is the oversight, who looks after those who implement, activate, carry out, who watches them?

I know some have said Trump "fascist" Trump "Hitler-esque". I can see that point of view ONLY being even remotely possible IF IF IF, there is no oversight of those carrying out the executive orders.. Lack of oversight, and it just seems to me, there could be some pretty strong ego's "acting out" being the "police force" let's say to enforce the border rules.. Who watches them, those police that they are not doing something excessively? Given ultimate authority to enforce, just how will that appear? Checks and balances?

Just asking who and what exactly will be the "oversight", and who watches those who are doing the over-sight-ing? What reporting mechanism exists if "something goes wrong"? Will the reports actually make it to President Trump, up the "chain of command?" President Trump assured the American public they will not be ignored, their voices heard. Will that happen with oversight - will that happen if there are let's say "police" that feel they have ultimate enforcement ability?

Same question could be asked to each executive order.. who is the oversight, and what methods do they have to actually accomplish, report "issues", and then get them resolved? IS it a smooth well oiled machine?

Just asking what keeps niggling at me..

Great Post and great questions.

As I read the post, I had this strange feeling about the implied underlying premise. That premise (assumption) is a theme that implies all and everything should be watched.

So I ask the question, where do we draw that line? However that line was created, it would be created by folks who then impose that line on everyone else (as long as they could and as long as that were their intention).

So here's what I am getting at... that which I believe to be of much greater importance with regards to "our experience."

Just in the simple two word phrase does an all important question arise. Who/what would make up the set described by the word "our?" I can only answer this for myself and that answer is - "all manifestation of life." I then consider the commonly known from my own perspective. What I perceive to be "commonly known" is that Earth born human beings are (at this time) the primary determiner of what happens on Earth which includes what happens to all life. If one perceives that all matter "is alive" then you include all physical manifestation that can be influenced by Earth human activity as within that simple three letter word "our."

Does anyone see the overwhelming amount of responsibility humans on Earth at this time possess? Think about this.

Now... think about the wants and desires of a single individual... perhaps think about yourself as an example. Think about your ideologies, think about what you feel is practical. Think about your ability to reconcile what is practical with your ideals. Think about how many times you felt you fell short in meeting your idealistic goals. Think of how many times you wished you had been more practical, "realistic" with regards to your own survival, your own physical wants and desires, your own emotional wants and desires.

Now, going back to the point with regards to the obvious and tremendous (yes... even overwhelming) responsibility a single human being has. During my process of self reflection the last several years I thought about all this. I then realized in practicality, I had to start somewhere. And that somewhere turned out to be, and to remain practical... pretty much in this order, my family, my loved ones, my friends, my community, my country, my world and then along these lines... those I pass on the street and those I may never meet.

Now (and I am still speaking only for myself), I had to ask myself in all honesty, what was my most important "possession" in relation to the word "experience" in the above cited two-word phrase, "our experience?" That answer for me is - Freedom.

So I could see that life was about a balance between freedom and responsibility. I cannot tell another something I am saying that essentially boils down to philosophy (and political philosophy) is universally right or universally true. All I can do is voice my opinions. Yet I also see that unless there is some sort of agreed upon framework through which opinions become guidelines within which a society that agrees upon its own boundaries creates and then tries to enforce, all we'll have (at least with this current batch of Earth humans of which I am one) is a bunch of voices that eventually scream at each other and I doubt anyone would disagree that a format such as that will accomplish nothing other than our own mutual self destruction.

So back to the point about freedom. Where do the boundaries of freedom and the boundary of protection of one's freedom to live, to do good for others (and one's self), to make mistakes... all to fulfill what for me is the very most rewarding aspect of the human experience, to feel good about myself that I do good for my family, my loved ones, my friends, my community, my country, my world, those I pass on the street and those I may never meet... where do we draw a line with regards to that boundary?

If the soul is to grow, how can it grow in an environment where every single aspect of one's life is massively regulated? And this statement doesn't even touch the question of "how is a soul to grow if one does not even have access to much of their own, independent, individuated mind?" Which is a question I would be happy to address albeit in a different post as I am sure this one is already far too long.

[eaglespirit]

Sam...WE are re-learning to co-create freedom at higher levels now...

Our earthly self...Our higher spirit self...Our true co-creator self (Christ Consciousness)

The Trinity IS Coming Alive...
more and more and more are doing the active selfless work...
and it ain't in the headlines!

THIS Is The Transition Upon Us!

Abrupt Higher Change Will Begin to Show Itself Now!

Why is this topic here...brought by You and Others in Your Own Ways?

It IS the topic! The work finally taking hold and letting it all go to unbridle us!

[Cidersomerset]

This is a good discussion.......


Robert Steele "Did Lynn Rothschild Buy Donald Trump For $20 Billion? Or Is He For Real?"

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
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[ALLARON]

Trump is no longer Trump. He is the Lord of Falsehood. The entire breadth of the election was manipulated on both sides. The vote was rigged and he knows it, which is why he won't stop talking about it. This is a sick human because he is now possessed by a hyper dimensional element. He accuses others of what he does himself. He has spun his game on you and you have eaten it and your pride will not let you see the truth. Or perhaps this is your persuasion also.

[Chester]

Sam...WE are re-learning to co-create freedom at higher levels now...

Our earthly self...Our higher spirit self...Our true co-creator self (Christ Consciousness)

The Trinity IS Coming Alive...
more and more and more are doing the active selfless work...
and it ain't in the headlines!

THIS Is The Transition Upon Us!

Abrupt Higher Change Will Begin to Show Itself Now!

Why is this topic here...brought by You and Others in Your Own Ways?

It IS the topic! The work finally taking hold and letting it all go to unbridle us!

And if Trump produces results within this framework, a framework that protects our rights to freedom while simultaneously requires individuals, based on a reasonable expectation of each individual's capacity to be self reliant and to live responsibly in an integrated way in an integrated world... then I am fully on board. If Trump's actions produce effects where I conclude he is not what he presents himself to be and I see instead that he appears to a minion of others and/or producing nefarious results (that would be breaking the core of any of his promises), you can bet I will be voicing my concerns but also, I will be doing so with facts that support my opinions and I will also act to have him voted out (which includes me voting for someone else unless they appear to be clearly worse - as was the clear case in the last election from my own personal POV).

ohhh and note: At the very core of my own personal metaphysical cosmology which is then viewed from "the self (and in my case, from my own individuated self), is this same three part view though I use different words to point to it, to describe it.

Yet also, I can only say that this view I hold is an operational assumption despite how strong "the call" of this metaphysical cosmological world view is within me because I could not prove this to be true to anyone else and neither do I believe I have any right to impose this upon anyone else.... and please don't take this last statement as suggesting anyone else has done this (especially you, eaglespirit. I emphasize this as I used to think there was a universal truth that would apply to all and that if I decided I had found that universal truth, I would have the right to impose it on anyone else. I made this self rule because I discovered that at my level of being here in the shared reality... I needed to).

[ALLARON]

That's heartening to know. So you are on board with what Trump has done in the first few days? You DID vote to sell off the national park system to oil, gas and mining corporations? Do you think laws in place to protect the environment are bad for business? Do you think business will exist when there's no clean water left? Not to mention air and soil. Ethics? Doesn't matter? Removing ethics from Congressional concern in the middle of the night under a full moon? Using RNC emails and private samsung phone in the White House? Taking away health programs for women, removing domestic abuse protections....all good?




Sam...WE are re-learning to co-create freedom at higher levels now...

Our earthly self...Our higher spirit self...Our true co-creator self (Christ Consciousness)

The Trinity IS Coming Alive...
more and more and more are doing the active selfless work...
and it ain't in the headlines!

THIS Is The Transition Upon Us!

Abrupt Higher Change Will Begin to Show Itself Now!

Why is this topic here...brought by You and Others in Your Own Ways?

It IS the topic! The work finally taking hold and letting it all go to unbridle us!

And if Trump produces results within this framework, a framework that protects our rights to freedom while simultaneously requires individuals, based in a reasonable expectation of each individual's capacity to be self reliant and to live responsibly in an integrated way in an integrated world... then I am fully on board. If Trump's actions produce effects where I conclude he is not what he presents himself to be and I see instead that he appears to a minion of others and/or producing nefarious results (that would be breaking the core of any of his promises), you can bet I will be voicing my concerns but also, I will be doing so with facts that support my opinions and I will also act to have him voted out (which includes me voting for someone else unless they appear to be clearly worse - as was the clear case in the last election from my own personal POV).

[Bob]

I've seen many executive orders.

A simple question.

Who is the oversight, who looks after those who implement, activate, carry out, who watches them?

I know some have said Trump "fascist" Trump "Hitler-esque". I can see that point of view ONLY being even remotely possible IF IF IF, there is no oversight of those carrying out the executive orders.. Lack of oversight, and it just seems to me, there could be some pretty strong ego's "acting out" being the "police force" let's say to enforce the border rules.. Who watches them, those police that they are not doing something excessively? Given ultimate authority to enforce, just how will that appear? Checks and balances?

Just asking who and what exactly will be the "oversight", and who watches those who are doing the over-sight-ing? What reporting mechanism exists if "something goes wrong"? Will the reports actually make it to President Trump, up the "chain of command?" President Trump assured the American public they will not be ignored, their voices heard. Will that happen with oversight - will that happen if there are let's say "police" that feel they have ultimate enforcement ability?

Same question could be asked to each executive order.. who is the oversight, and what methods do they have to actually accomplish, report "issues", and then get them resolved? IS it a smooth well oiled machine?

Just asking what keeps niggling at me..

Great Post and great questions.

As I read the post, I had this strange feeling about the implied underlying premise. That premise (assumption) is a theme that implies all and everything should be watched.

So I ask the question, where do we draw that line? However that line was created, it would be created by folks who then impose that line on everyone else (as long as they could and as long as that were their intention).

So here's what I am getting at... that which I believe to be of much greater importance with regards to "our experience."

Just in the simple two word phrase does an all important question arise. Who/what would make up the set described by the word "our?" I can only answer this for myself and that answer is - "all manifestation of life." I then consider the commonly known from my own perspective. What I perceive to be "commonly known" is that Earth born human beings are (at this time) the primary determiner of what happens on Earth which includes what happens to all life. If one perceives that all matter "is alive" then you include all physical manifestation that can be influenced by Earth human activity as within that simple three letter word "our."

Does anyone see the overwhelming amount of responsibility humans on Earth at this time possess? Think about this.

Now... think about the wants and desires of a single individual... perhaps think about yourself as an example. Think about your ideologies, think about what you feel is practical. Think about your ability to reconcile what is practical with your ideals. Think about how many times you felt you fell short in meeting your idealistic goals. Think of how many times you wished you had been more practical, "realistic" with regards to your own survival, your own physical wants and desires, your own emotional wants and desires.

Now, going back to the point with regards to the obvious and tremendous (yes... even overwhelming) responsibility a single human being has. During my process of self reflection the last several years I thought about all this. I then realized in practicality, I had to start somewhere. And that somewhere turned out to be, and to remain practical... pretty much in this order, my family, my loved ones, my friends, my community, my country, my world and then along these lines... those I pass on the street and those I may never meet.

Now (and I am still speaking only for myself), I had to ask myself in all honesty, what was my most important "possession" in relation to the word "experience" in the above cited two-word phrase, "our experience?" That answer for me is - Freedom.

So I could see that life was about a balance between freedom and responsibility. I cannot tell another something I am saying that essentially boils down to philosophy (and political philosophy) is universally right or universally true. All I can do is voice my opinions. Yet I also see that unless there is some sort of agreed upon framework through which opinions become guidelines within which a society that agrees upon its own boundaries creates and then tries to enforce, all we'll have (at least with this current batch of Earth humans of which I am one) is a bunch of voices that eventually scream at each other and I doubt anyone would disagree that a format such as that will accomplish nothing other than our own mutual self destruction.

So back to the point about freedom. Where do the boundaries of freedom and the boundary of protection of one's freedom to live, to do good for others (and one's self), to make mistakes... all to fulfill what for me is the very most rewarding aspect of the human experience, to feel good about myself that I do good for my family, my loved ones, my friends, my community, my country, my world, those I pass on the street and those I may never meet... where do we draw a line with regards to that boundary?

If the soul is to grow, how can it grow in an environment where every single aspect of one's life is massively regulated? And this statement doesn't even touch the question of "how is a soul to grow if one does not even have access to much of their own, independent, individuated mind?" Which is a question I would be happy to address albeit in a different post as I am sure this one is already far too long.

Thanks Sam and EagleSpirit for bringing up the point(s) of Freedom, and soul growth. Optimistic no question :)

As I was working on another Thread, Hillary - Take 2... the question of why New York City Mayor.. Power and Control - especially ultimate control over the policy established in the Police force.. So my question above, focuses on, with the example of the "Lock down the Borders" wall/immigrant/visitor check, (an Ultimate TSA-Like organization...) who is the oversight of them?

We could look at all the TSA abuses to point out when "authority" gets out of control. Someone once said with the LEAST amount of FREEDOM one feels most safe.. Total freedom is the scariest thing it has been said. People give up freedom for Security - and President Trump has said, Americans will feel SAFE again.. With that then the most safety comes with the least freedom...

Here is what I was looking at, dealing with the current corruption case against some leading police force higher-ups and Mayor de Blasio (NY City Mayor)... It is brief, but it may explain something about POWER, abuse of it, lack of oversight (checks and balances)... Corruption and abuse of power goes back in this Country a long time... Notice specifically, they tried in the beginning to LIMIT GOVERNMENT POWER and instead opened up greed/ego and abuse of power...

From a Time article: (more here - http://time.com/4384963/nypd-scandal-history/ )


New York City established America’s first professional police force in 1845. The force was shaped from the beginning by distinctively American notions about limiting government power, distrust of a standing army and belief that municipal institutions should be close to the people.

The city’s first police were appointed for one-year terms, nominated by the aldermen in whose wards they served.

Because police were constantly angling for appointments and promotions from elected officials, partisan wrangling shaped the force from the very start.

And the entrepreneurial element of police work that had been present from the colonial era expanded with the 19th century growth of the city.

Police collected fees for serving warrants, detaining suspects and appearing in court.

Detectives often received rewards for reclaiming stolen property and the police routinely provided special services for citizens and businesses.

The boundaries between legitimate police work and amenities for those with political “pull” became very blurry.

In 1894 the New York State Senate launched the first comprehensive investigation of corruption in the NYPD.

The so-called Lexow Committee revealed to the city and nation in unprecedented detail just how deeply entangled the NYPD had become in managing and profiting from the city’s vice economy. Police captains ruled their precincts like private fiefdoms, but appointment to command required money and political influence.

The going price for a captain’s appointment, the investigation revealed, was $15,000 (roughly $400,000 today), raised from friends who expected favors in return. Regular payments poured in from brothel keepers, counterfeiters, saloon-keepers, gamblers and others in the city’s demimonde.

I believe we could see why Hillary would want control over the NY City Police looking at the history above.. This type of behavior just doesn't miraculously "go away".. Given more power what happens? Who oversights those in power?

With the executive orders, for instance border patrol as I asked above based on the expanded powers being given to them broadly.. Who writes those rules, who enforces that within the department? Can people who are on the bottom short end of the "stick" have any recourse, any way to complain if a perceived abuse happens?

That is where it sounded so good, for the Fatherland in the late 1919's through early 1920's culminating in about 1933.. I would think if we start seeing greater suspensions of civil liberties and elimination of political opposition, there may be writing on the wall of history trying to repeat itself. Maybe?

[turiya]

More recent Trump Tweets...
I imagine the first one listed will cause a row with many...



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The U.S. has a 60 billion dollar trade deficit
with Mexico. It has been a one-sided deal from
the beginning of NAFTA with massive
numbers...

5:51 AM - 26 Jan 2017




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of jobs and companies lost. If Mexico is
unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then
it would be better to cancel the upcoming
meeting.

5:51 AM - 26 Jan 2017




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Pena Nieto Snubs Trump: Tells White House Won't Attend Meeting, Peso Tumbles (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/angry-trump-threatens-cancel-nieto-meeting-if-mexico-does-not-pay-wall)

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"Esta mañana hemos informado a la Casa Blanca que no asistiré a la reunión de trabajo programada para el próximo martes con el @POTUS (https://twitter.com/POTUS)."

“This morning we have informed the White House that I will not go to the meeting scheduled for next Tuesday with “POTUS,” Enrique Peña Nieto tweeted in Spanish.

Jan 26, 2017 9:01 AM


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Other News...

The Entire Senior Management Team At The State Department Just Resigned (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/entire-senior-management-team-state-department-just-resigned) -- Note: Article is from CNN

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“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” said David Wade, who served as State Department chief of staff under Secretary of State John Kerry.

Jan 26, 2017 11:29 AM


The Anti-Trump Resistance: US Govt Scientists Defy Trump With "Rogue" Twitter Accounts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/us-scientists-epa-nasa-and-nps-setup-rogue-twitter-accounts-defiance-trump)

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Jan 26, 2017 1:55 PM


Trump To Sign Executive Order Demanding Probe On Voter Fraud (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/trump-sign-executive-order-demanding-probe-voter-fraud)

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One day after vowing to launch a "major investigation into VOTER FRAUD", Sean Spicer has confirmed that President Trump will sign a new directive later today demanding just that.

Jan 26, 2017 12:46 PM


Alex Jones' InfoWars Offered White House Credentials (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/alex-jones-infowars-offered-white-house-credentials)

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"Here’s the deal, I know I get White House credentials, we’ve already been offered them, we’re going to get them, but I’ve just got to spend the money to send somebody there. I want to make sure it’s even worth it. I don’t want to just sit there up there like ‘m in the media, look our people are there.’"

Jan 26, 2017 10:31 AM

[Cidersomerset]

More recent Trump Tweets...
I imagine the first one listed will cause a row with many...

Its difficult to know where this is going to go ? The Donald has not
changed at all in the White House so far and what you bought is
what you got. Now he is very black and white / good and bad in his
first week. This is quaint and refreshing but he will not get away with
it for long , unless he gets results early and keeps going without pause
ie....Jobs , wall , security , co operation with allies including Russia
in clearing ISIS . Reforms Intel/mil ind com /Banking / Big Pharma
and anything I have forgot....

The Donald needs to work , relaxation is work for him and the trouble
for him will be if things stall. He needs the momentum of the last couple
years to continue and is why he is still in hyper active mode .

This is also why Trump fascinates me , like many I do not know if he will
succeed or fail ? I do know , no way Hillary should have won as we
would be in high tension possibly leading to conflict with Russia now.

Whether coincidence or not this seems part of the 2016/7/8 paradigm change
David Icke's was talking about years ago and am hooked by this real life Drama in
the West wing......

I certainly hope he does and brings everyone with him in the west eventually..

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CIA NN stirring though this confrontation is due to Obama and Hillary not Trump
who hopefully will defuse the tension...

Trump, Putin cited in doomsday warning

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Trump has been over simplistic George Bush junior with brains energy
and his own plan. But he will need to broaden his vocabulary a little I think,
though if he gets results who cares ........

Trump: Obamacare is a disaster

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' Your '.......

Trump fires top State Department officials

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
The Trump administration told four top State Department management officials that
their services were no longer needed as part of an effort to "clean house."

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Mexican president cancels Trump meeting

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
The President of Mexico, Enrique Peña Nieto, tweeted that he will not be attending
his scheduled meeting with President Donald Trump. CNN's Leyla Santiago reports.

[Cidersomerset]

President Donald Trump full speech to Republican retreat

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Published on 26 Jan 2017

President Donald Trump opened a speech at a Republican retreat in Philadelphia
by saying, "It's nice to win." Trump outlined the major policies he's planning to
rollout including a Mexico border wall.

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Napolitano: Democrats are no longer laughing at Trump

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
Judge Napolitano's Chambers: Judge Andrew Napolitano weighs in on Donald
Trump's swift move to gut ObamaCare to ready it for a replacement

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Kellyanne Conway: President Trump is the same as businessman Trump

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
Kellyanne Conway, Counselor to President Trump, on Obamacare, infrastructure,
immigration, Trump's strategy as president and efforts to boost U.S. job growth.

[Cidersomerset]

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Trump 'will handle US-UK trade talks'
1 hour ago


US President Donald Trump has said he will handle trade discussions with the UK
himself, ahead of a meeting with the British prime minister.

The president said he would have to deal with the talks because his chosen
commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross, has yet to be officially confirmed by the Senate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38763689



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British PM Theresa May To Be First World Leader To Meet President Donald Trump | MSNBC

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
As British Prime Minister Teresa May flies to Washington D.C. to meet President
Trump, NBC's Keir Simmons discusses the importance of the visit to both parties.

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Will Trump revitalize the 'special relationship' with UK?

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
Insight from Nile Gardiner, director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom
at the Heritage Foundation


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Theresa May: UK and US must stand strong together
3 minutes ago


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Mrs May addressed Republican leaders in Philadelphia

Theresa May has told US Republicans the UK and America must "stand up for our
interests" but cannot return to "failed" interventionist policies.

She said: "The days of Britain and America intervening in sovereign countries in an
attempt to remake the world in our own image are over."


read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38747979

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Britain and America will no longer invade foreign countries 'to make the world in
their own image', PM says



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/26/donald-trump-tells-mexican-president-pay-wall-cancel-visit-theresa/

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May: We aren't turning our back on EU

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
British Prime Minister Theresa May speaks to GOP officials at a retreat in Philadelphia.

May: International institutions need to be reformed

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Published on 26 Jan 2017

British Prime Minister Theresa May says the United States and United Kingdom
must work to reform international institutions, like the UN and NATO, so they can
better serve their members.

[onawah]

The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned
By Josh Rogin January 26
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.b71d32a734c3
(2 short videos at the link above--can't embed)

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s job running the State Department just got considerably more difficult. The entire senior level of management officials resigned Wednesday, part of an ongoing mass exodus of senior foreign service officers who don’t want to stick around for the Trump era.

Tillerson was actually inside the State Department’s headquarters in Foggy Bottom on Wednesday, taking meetings and getting the lay of the land. I reported Wednesday morning that the Trump team was narrowing its search for his No. 2, and that it was looking to replace the State Department’s long-serving undersecretary for management, Patrick Kennedy. Kennedy, who has been in that job for nine years, was actively involved in the transition and was angling to keep that job under Tillerson, three State Department officials told me.

Then suddenly on Wednesday afternoon, Kennedy and three of his top officials resigned unexpectedly, four State Department officials confirmed. Assistant Secretary of State for Administration Joyce Anne Barr, Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs Michele Bond and Ambassador Gentry O. Smith, director of the Office of Foreign Missions, followed him out the door. All are career foreign service officers who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations.Kennedy will retire from the foreign service at the end of the month, officials said. The other officials could be given assignments elsewhere in the foreign service.

In addition, Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Gregory Starr retired Jan. 20, and the director of the Bureau of Overseas Building Operations, Lydia Muniz, departed the same day. That amounts to a near-complete housecleaning of all the senior officials that deal with managing the State Department, its overseas posts and its people.

“It’s the single biggest simultaneous departure of institutional memory that anyone can remember, and that’s incredibly difficult to replicate,” said David Wade, who served as State Department chief of staff under Secretary of State John Kerry. “Department expertise in security, management, administrative and consular positions in particular are very difficult to replicate and particularly difficult to find in the private sector.”Several senior foreign service officers in the State Department’s regional bureaus have also left their posts or resigned since the election. But the emptying of leadership in the management bureaus is more disruptive because those offices need to be led by people who know the department and have experience running its complicated bureaucracies. There’s no easy way to replace that via the private sector, said Wade.

“Diplomatic security, consular affairs, there’s just not a corollary that exists outside the department, and you can least afford a learning curve in these areas where issues can quickly become matters of life and death,” he said. “The muscle memory is critical. These retirements are a big loss. They leave a void. These are very difficult people to replace.”

Whether Kennedy left on his own volition or was pushed out by the incoming Trump team is a matter of dispute inside the department. Just days before he resigned, Kennedy was taking on more responsibility inside the department and working closely with the transition. His departure was a surprise to other State Department officials who were working with him.

[‘They never saw this coming’: A Q&A with Kellyanne Conway]

One senior State Department official who responded to my requests for comment said that all the officials had previously submitted their letters of resignation, as was required for all positions that are appointed by the president and that require confirmation by the Senate, known as PAS positions.

“No officer accepts a PAS position with the expectation that it is unlimited. And all officers understand that the President may choose to replace them at any time,” this official said. “These officers have served admirably and well. Their departure offers a moment to consider their accomplishments and thank them for their service. These are the patterns and rhythms of the career service.”

Ambassador Richard Boucher, who served as State Department spokesman for Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, said that while there’s always a lot of turnover around the time a new administration takes office, traditionally senior officials work with the new team to see who should stay on in their roles and what other jobs might be available. But that’s not what happened this time.

The officials who manage the building and thousands of overseas diplomatic posts are charged with taking care of Americans overseas and protecting U.S. diplomats risking their lives abroad. The career foreign service officers are crucial to those functions as well as to implementing the new president’s agenda, whatever it may be, Boucher said.

[What’s the method in Trump’s madness?]

“You don’t run foreign policy by making statements, you run it with thousands of people working to implement programs every day,” Boucher said. “To undercut that is to undercut the institution.”

By itself, the sudden departure of the State Department’s entire senior management team is disruptive enough. But in the context of a president who railed against the U.S. foreign policy establishment during his campaign and secretary of state with no government experience, the vacancies are much more concerning.

Tillerson’s job No. 1 must be to find qualified and experienced career officials to manage the State Department’s vital offices. His second job should be to reach out to and reassure a State Department workforce that is panicked about what the Trump administration means for them.



Or were they fired?
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[Cidersomerset]

The State Department’s entire senior administrative team just resigned
By Josh Rogin January 26

Its normal for the officials to resign when a new administration comes in , but
they are usually retained for a while , but this time they have not been kept on...

Trump admin fires top State Dept officials

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Published on 26 Jan 2017


Top State Dept officials have been fired and many others resigned as President Trump takes office.

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Report: Trump set to decrease US funding of United Nations

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
Reaction from Eliana Johnson, national political reporter for Politico

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Dan Patrick: The world better get used to Trump as president

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
Lt. governor of Texas discusses the new questions over how the border wall will be funded

[turiya]

I've worked for several different businesses / companies. And this "Cleaning House" when a 'new' owner takes over the company is quite normal & usual. I've seen it go on a countless number of times. Now we're looking at what is going down with the State Department, that was recently run by Hillary Clinton. I think it is only very wise to eliminate these people immediately, especially knowing how underhanded that department was being run.

Clean it out!
Nothing unusual about it, imo.

You can see what is going on with the EPA... They're told not to communicate publicly with anyone while the Trump administration is reviewing its contracts. Yet, they have opened up Anonymous accounts to tweet information / false information in defiance. There will probably be a 'House Cleaning' with that department because of this, as well!

[turiya]

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Bannon Declares War On The Media:
"You Are The Opposition;
Keep Your Mouth Shut" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/bannon-blasts-mainstream-media-you%E2%80%99re-opposition-party-not-democratic-party)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 26, 2017 5:51 PM
Not one to mince words, Steve Bannon, Trump's Chief White House strategist, eviscerated the mainstream media during an interview last night. Commenting on their coverage of the Trump campaign, Bannon lambasted the disconnect of the media from everyday Americans saying, "They don't understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States." Per Axios (https://www.axios.com/bannon-to-media-drop-dead-2217171890.html):

"The media should be embarrassed and humiliated and keep its mouth shut and just listen for awhile," Mr. Bannon said during a telephone call. "I want you to quote this," Mr. Bannon added. "The media here is the opposition party. They don't understand this country. They still do not understand why Donald Trump is the president of the United States."

"The elite media got it dead wrong, 100 percent dead wrong," Mr. Bannon said of the election, calling it "a humiliating defeat that they will never wash away, that will always be there."


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But that attacks didn't end there as Bannon went on describe the media as "the opposition party."

"The mainstream media has not fired or terminated anyone associated with following our campaign," Mr. Bannon said. "Look at the Twitter feeds of those people: they were outright activists of the Clinton campaign." (He did not name specific reporters or editors.) "That's why you have no power," Mr. Bannon added. "You were humiliated."

"You're the opposition party," Mr. Bannon said. "Not the Democratic Party. You're the opposition party. The media's the opposition party."

Finally, asked whether he was concerned that Sean Spicer had lost credibility with the press after his debate over crowd sizes, Bannon had a similarly pointed answer: “Are you kidding me?” he said. “We think that’s a badge of honor. ‘Questioning his integrity’ — are you kidding me? The media has zero integrity, zero intelligence, and no hard work.”

Any remaining questions on what Steve Bannon thinks of the mainstream media?

ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/bannon-blasts-mainstream-media-you%E2%80%99re-opposition-party-not-democratic-party)

[ThePythonicCow]

Pepe Escobar, a man who has far better contacts within the western elite than I ever will have, and who has earned far more respect as an analyst of world affairs, has a quite different take on what's in store for us now that Trump is US President.
I perhaps underestimated Pepe Escobar. If you have a spare 20 minutes, here's a delightful essay he wrote a few days ago on world affairs. At one point in the essay, he favorably quotes something Kissinger said a year ago:

“The long-term interests of both countries call for a world that transforms the contemporary turbulence and flux into a new equilibrium which is increasingly multipolar and globalized … Russia should be perceived as an essential element of any global equilibrium, not primarily as a threat to the United States.”
I agree - a new multipolar, globalized equilibrium.

But Escobar throws in a delightful mix of ancient and Oriental culture and mythology, while describing for the reader a shift in perspective, from the polarizing ways of Western thought, which have culminated in the death, destruction, drugs, and deceit of American hegemony, to a more nuanced awareness of the layers of activity of human affairs.

Toss my miserable effort to summarize Escobar's essay in the trash - and if you've got the spare minutes, read him for yourself, at Shadow play: the New Great Game in Eurasia (Asia Times) (http://www.atimes.com/article/shadow-play-new-great-game-eurasia/), or as reposted at Russia Today (http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/shadow-play-new-great-game-eurasia/ri18443).

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I've worked for several different businesses / companies. And this "Cleaning House" when a 'new' owner takes over the company is quite normal & usual. I've seen it go on a countless number of times. Now we're looking at what is going down with the State Department, that was recently run by Hillary Clinton. I think it is only very wise to eliminate these people immediately, especially knowing how underhanded that department was being run.

Clean it out!
Nothing unusual about it, imo.
Exactly - anything less would be a sign of a weak leader, destined to fail. Trump might still fail, but if he does, it won't be for being too wimpy.

[turiya]

This X22 Report goes over the recent EOs that Trump has signed & implemented and what the Elite MSM has been doing (Fake News) to counter these moves...


The Elite Push The Doomsday Clock
To Two And A Half Minutes To “Midnight”
Episode 1188b
(Published on Jan 26, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30ojkzvAy-U

[Chester]

Thursday, January 26

President Trump Job Approval (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) Rasmussen Reports Approve 59, Disapprove 41 Approve +18

[turiya]

Thursday, January 26

President Trump Job Approval (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/) Rasmussen Reports Approve 59, Disapprove 41 Approve +18

Enjoy the Trump Job Approval ratings while they last, Donald. Because the hammer is in the process of being brought down on you pretty damn hard. The war is on.

Trump should already know this, as everyone knows - whatever goes up must come down... especially when it comes to this manipulated economy... Donald should know better than most... Yes - the system is rigged! They're coming after you Donald... the Elites, that is... the rats are running scared... and they will sink this ship in their last chance grasp to hang onto what they have eploited from others...

I suspect that Trump must already knows it... That's why its the very first thing that has to be done - to put that wall in place, as quickly as possible. Close off the foreign illegals from their mass exodus. Making America their entrance point to flee from a peso in a nose-dive.

Notice during Obama's final exit Legacy News Conference... how he spouted out such excellent stats to show what a wonderful President he was - how great his 8 years in office had been - 'The Obama Legacy'? It was all quite laughable. No doubt he got a little help from his friends on the figures - his Elitist friends, that is, as he was making his exit...

It was quite well coordinated... how it was made to look like things were & are looking so, so good during his time in office... a job well done, Mr President... :clapping:

Well, its all a set-up. So that when things go down... And they will go down... and, quite soon, too... as the real numbers are beginning to be put in place - the real employment / unemployment figures, the real economic growth rate figures... market correction, and of course, which will cause investors to become quite nervous, lose their confidence, and eventually bringing down this House of Cards... leading to a credit freeze... resulting in not enough actual dollars to hold in your little paws. Sign says, 'Freak Out Zone Just Ahead'...

This particular X22 Report spells it out quite clearly...


Warning: Deutsche Reports Global Economy
Is About To Rollover - Episode 1188a
(Published on Jan 26, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52HzYw9w1hI____________________________

X22 Report with another good video... voter fraud... 2nd Amendment... Illegal immigration... more...


Are The Elite Trying To Push Trump Into
A Heated Showdown With China?
Episode 1187b
(Published on Jan 25, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcjtcbCtPJ8____________________________

[Mike]

this is pretty funny:

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[Cidersomerset]

The Donald shooting from the finger tips .......Tweeting has wrong footed the press
and gives him direct access to the public , but it also can backfire and give instant
ammo to his critics as well...



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Published on 26 Jan 2017


Activists are concerned for the future of whistleblowers under President Trump after
Trump called Chelsea Manning an ‘ungrateful TRAITOR’ for her criticism of Barack
Obama. Beverly Hallberg, president of District Media Group, and liberal analyst
Cathy Areu of Catalina Magazine, join RT America’s Ed Schultz to discuss the effect
of Trump’s frequent and inflammatory tweets and the role they play in driving the
news cycle and bypassing traditional news services.

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
President Donald Trump has ordered an expedited review and approval process
for the stalled Dakota Access Pipeline. So, what's next for opponents of the
controversial project? Actor and Standing Rock protester Kendrick Sampson joins
Larry to offer insights. Later, former Assistant White House press secretary Reed
Dickens brings his take on Trump’s first days in the Oval Office.


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Trump on combating terror: We're fighting 'sneaky rats'

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Published on 26 Jan 2017

President addresses the use of waterboarding in interrogations, US relationships
with other nations in 'Hannity' cable exclusive

[Cidersomerset]

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Theresa May and Donald Trump to hold face-to-face talks
7 minutes ago

Prime Minister Theresa May is to hold face-to-face talks with US President
Donald Trump in the Oval Office later.The pair will spend about an hour
together in the first visit by a foreign leader to the White House since
Mr Trump became president.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38766781

UK's May on Russia: 'Engage But Beware'

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Published on 26 Jan 2017


As part of a wide-ranging speech to Republicans in Philadelphia, British Prime
Minister Theresa May gave advice on dealing with Russia. She also seemed
to reject Trump's suggestion for a ban on Muslim immigration. (Jan. 26)



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UK ambassador to US: British anxious to work with Trump

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[Cidersomerset]

CrossTalk: Politically Incorrect?

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Is Donald Trump a modern day anti-hero? What is the state of liberalism
and what is referred to as political correctness? How did we get to a place
where politics is hyper-prejudice against prejudice? Is liberalism caving in on itself?
CrossTalking with Daniel Bonevac, Jeffrey Tayler, and Ralph Niemeyer.

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Likening Donald Trump and Theresa May to Reagan and Thatcher

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Are the relationships similar? Fox News contributor Steve Hilton gives his take


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Theresa May laid a wreath at the tomb of the Unknown Soldier

Prime Minister Theresa May has laid a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery ahead
of talks with US President Donald Trump at the White House in Washington.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38766781

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[turiya]

Donald Trump Tweets...
(Click on Image for Miami Herald News Article)...




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Miami-Dade Mayor drops sanctuary policy.
Right decision. Strong!

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Miami-Dade mayor orders jails to comply with Trump
crackdown on ‘sanctuary’ counties
Fearing a loss of millions of dollars for defying immigration
authorities, Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez on Thursday
ordered county jails to comply with federal immigration

3:53 PM - 26 Jan 2017






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Look forward to seeing final results of
VoteStand. Gregg Phillips and crew say at
least 3,000,000 votes were illegal. We must do
better!

5:12 AM - 27 Jan 2017






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Mexico has taken advantage of the U.S. for
long enough. Massive trade deficits & little
help on the very weak border must change,
NOW!

5:19 AM - 27 Jan 2017






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ABC David Muir / Trump Interview:
Voter Fraud
(Published on Jan 25, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teyqfyRsGJI

[Bill Ryan]

The Donald shooting from the finger tips .......Tweeting has wrong footed the press and gives him direct access to the public , but it also can backfire and give instant ammo to his critics as well...

[...]

Trump’s frequent and inflammatory tweets and the role they play in driving the news cycle and bypassing traditional news services.


It's highly, highly unlikely this is really him sending those, even if it's from his authorized, genuine, account. Trump may not even be fully aware of what's being sent out in his name.

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

[MorningFox]

The Donald shooting from the finger tips .......Tweeting has wrong footed the press and gives him direct access to the public , but it also can backfire and give instant ammo to his critics as well...

[...]

Trump’s frequent and inflammatory tweets and the role they play in driving the news cycle and bypassing traditional news services.


It's highly, highly unlikely this is really him sending those, even if it's from his authorized, genuine, account. Trump may not even be fully aware of what's being sent out in his name.

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

Sadly I don't think that is the case. I've followed Trump on twitter for years and he has always tweeted like that.

[turiya]

The Donald shooting from the finger tips .......Tweeting has wrong footed the press and gives him direct access to the public , but it also can backfire and give instant ammo to his critics as well...

[...]

Trump’s frequent and inflammatory tweets and the role they play in driving the news cycle and bypassing traditional news services.


It's highly, highly unlikely this is really him sending those, even if it's from his authorized, genuine, account. Trump may not even be fully aware of what's being sent out in his name.

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

Sadly I don't think that is the case. I've followed Trump on twitter for years and he has always tweeted like that.

Agree with Morning Fox... with the exception that I don't think its so sad.
I've been following his Tweets for the last several months... he always tweets very early in the morning or late afternoon... the man is known to sleep very little... a mystery from where he gets his energy from... as he has alot of it!

His Twitter account is his way of skirting (getting around) the MSM...

Just double-checked with HS Source & this is confirmed - Trump writes his own Tweets.

[Cidersomerset]

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature.
Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.


That's true but I'm not so sure , he himself says he only needs 3 hrs sleep,
they do sound like him and I do hope he cuts back on reactionary tweets.

But we all moan that candidates change when they enter the white house
he has not changed for good or for bad. It could be his ten year old son..LOL ( not)

He tends to use disaster, bad , good ,wonderfull , tremendous a little to much and if
you listen to this chat with Hannity he says he's a workaholic , as I said in a
previous post if his agenda stalls his momentum may suffer.....

Some of his views and policies I disagree with , Torture, Israel/palestinians and
some others he's toying with.


President Trump gives 'Hannity' a tour of the Oval Office

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Published on 26 Jan 2017

The new president discusses how he's been influenced
by past presidents in a 'Hannity' cable exclusive

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Full interview....

HANNITY 1/26/2017 FOX NEWS SEAN HANNITY DONALD TRUMP

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HANNITY 1/26/2017 FOX NEWS SEAN HANNITY DONALD TRUMP

[MorningFox]

Agree with Morning Fox... with the exception that I don't think its so sad.

You don't think it's sad that the president of the united states tweets narcissistic, poorly written, emotionally charged drivel?

I do :silent:

[Helene West]

This is a good discussion.......


Robert Steele "Did Lynn Rothschild Buy Donald Trump For $20 Billion? Or Is He For Real?"

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Published on 26 Jan 2017
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Watched this Steele interview and also listened to him on another talk show since he's suddenly popping up all over. I was wondering when the little adrenaline high I've been on since election would diminish and this was the bucket of cold water to do the job.

Riebus, Ryan and Walker he says all hate trump with priebus being a "passive-agressive" traitor whose job is to misdirect. The talk of assassination became a little more real after listening to him not that I take anyone's view without grains of salt.

I have a really hard time believing he has taken this job without knowing the shark infested water he would be in so I wonder if there would be an assasination would it be real or, a la our friend M Mathis, would it be a faked, planned death? Put things he (or handlers) want in place and then put in Pence. Steele feels trump only wants one term anyhow.

I would have felt much better if he calmly called attention to the 20K Dow and said to people it is VERY overvalued, hint hint - get out!! but no, he says it's good! Seriously? He doesn't know collapses are prefaced by overvaluation?
He's setting himself up to be the biggest Scapegoat of the modern era when/if the market (stock at the very least) collapses which I fear it will this or next year. does he really not see/get it?

So after two Steele vids I'm now sufficiently sobered up and back to my pessimistic self. Many seem convinced they know what is going on and who he is, etc., but I'm feeling humbled at this point - I don't know what is going on. If Steele can't tell if trump is real or part of some planned agenda how can I? I only know the feeling of a shoe about to drop and carrying that on a daily basis is a little uncomfortable.

[eaglespirit]

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/16/482279689/trump-favors-returning-to-the-gold-standard-few-economists-agree

June 16, 20165:07 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition

RENEE MONTAGNE, HOST:

He's used a lot of it in decorating his real estate properties, like Trump Tower. His financial statement says he owns up to $200,000 in gold.

INSKEEP: And Trump recently told the website thescene.com that he would like to return U.S. currency to the gold standard. NPR's Jim Zarroli reports.

JIM ZARROLI, BYLINE: Trump said he wants to see the United States do something it hasn't done since the Great Depression - tie the value of the dollar to the price of gold.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)

DONALD TRUMP: Bringing back the gold standard would be very hard to do, but, boy, would it be wonderful. We'd have a standard on which to base our money.

[Cidersomerset]

So after two Steele vids I'm now sufficiently sobered up and back to my pessimistic self.

Still better than Hillary where ever this goes.....:sherlock:

This can still be a funride...................Or a car wreck, that's why we are all
fascinated for one reason or another.....



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Nigel Farage on Theresa May's 'inspiring' shift in rhetoric

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Former U.K. Independence Party leader and Fox News contributor weighs in British
PM's remarks on U.S. election

[Cidersomerset]

But we all moan that candidates change when they enter the white house
he has not changed for good or for bad.

The Judge agrees with me......LOL....:fans:


Judge Jeanine: Finally, a president who means what he says

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Geraldo: I withdraw my objection to building the wall ......:peep:

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Fox News roaming correspondent-at-large weighs in on 'Fox & Friends'

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Military family to speak on veterans' issues at GOP retreat

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Scott and Tiffany Smiley discuss their upcoming speech

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Trump wants to ramp up ISIS strikes

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
President Donald Trump is hosting British Prime Minister Theresa May at the White
House Friday, one day after the president of Mexico canceled an upcoming meeting
with the new commander-in-chief. CBS News senior political editor Steve Chaggaris
joins CBSN to discuss.

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Trump to welcome his first foreign leader

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
President Donald Trump is hosting British Prime Minister Theresa May at the White
House Friday, one day after the president of Mexico canceled an upcoming meeting
with the new commander-in-chief. CBS News senior political editor Steve Chaggaris
joins CBSN to discuss.

[Cidersomerset]

I would not normally post on this subject , but since Vice President Pence ,
Kellyanne Conway and President Trump is due to phone in its worth a mention I think....

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Kellyanne Conway Full Speech at March for Life Event | ABC News

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Kellyanne Conway Full Speech at National March for Life Event

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Pence's entire 'March for Life' rally speech

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Vice President Mike Pence addresses the annual "March for Life" rally in
Washington, becoming the highest ranking U.S. official to ever do so.

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Thousands gather for annual "March for Life"

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Published on 27 Jan 2017

CBS News' Errol Barnett is at the National Mall in Washington, where thousands
of pro-life supporters are gathering for the annual "March for Life" rally. Barnett
discusses the march with president of Students for Life, Kristan Hawkins.


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Women from around the nation prepare to March for Life

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
The president of Students for Life provides insight

[Cidersomerset]

" Serious 'special' Butt Kissing all round "...........:tea:


Trump Press Conference with British PM Theresa May (Full Presser) | ABC News

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Streamed live 1 hour ago


Pres. Donald J. Trump holds joint press conference with UK Prime Minister
Theresa May at The White House. abcnews.com/live

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Theresa May visit: UK and US 'committed' to Nato

21 minutes ago


May: "We have reaffirmed our unshakeable commitment to the Nato alliance"

US President Donald Trump and British Prime Minister Theresa May have reaffirmed
their commitment to the Nato alliance after White House talks.Mrs May confirmed
Mr Trump was "100% behind Nato" despite the president's recent comments calling
the transatlantic alliance obsolete.

Both leaders said they would work to establish trade negotiation agreements.

Mrs May also said Mr Trump had accepted an invitation from the Queen for a state
visit later this year. The prime minister added that a trade agreement between the
UK and US was "in the national interest in both our countries".

Although the UK cannot begin to negotiate trade deals until it leaves the EU, Mr
Trump has said he wants a "quick" deal after that.

read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38777263

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I hope he sticks to this......

Trump: Mattis can override me on torture

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[TargeT]

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

I think he possibly knows his audience very well & is continuing what got him popularity during the election.... I see these as a brilliant move (again) by a person who knows very much what he is doing.

Or alternately:

It's not intentional, but it fits the current pattern and represents a COMPLETE rejection of the Politically Correct culture that has been increasingly oppressing western society with constant blame & shame tactics.

The so called "Progressive" agenda from "the left" is EXTREMELY obvious and anyone with the ability to critically think will reject it, maybe not outright due to social pressure, but the seeds have been there.

Trump watered those seeds.


Here's a nice break down of the regressive agenda, reference this while watching the news... it's pretty funny how consistantly they shove any issue into one of, or multiples of these points:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg





Agree with Morning Fox... with the exception that I don't think its so sad.

You don't think it's sad that the president of the united states tweets narcissistic, poorly written, emotionally charged drivel?

I do :silent:

I think it's refreshingly authentic, and completely inline with what I wrote above... this is why the majority of the US supports him.

We are tired of the BS PC culture.

[Helene West]

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

I think he possibly knows his audience very well & is continuing what got him popularity during the election.... I see these as a brilliant move (again) by a person who knows very much what he is doing.

Or alternately:

It's not intentional, but it fits the current pattern and represents a COMPLETE rejection of the Politically Correct culture that has been increasingly oppressing western society with constant blame & shame tactics.

The so called "Progressive" agenda from "the left" is EXTREMELY obvious and anyone with the ability to critically think will reject it, maybe not outright due to social pressure, but the seeds have been there.

Trump watered those seeds.


Here's a nice break down of the regressive agenda, reference this while watching the news... it's pretty funny how consistantly they shove any issue into one of, or multiples of these points:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg





Agree with Morning Fox... with the exception that I don't think its so sad.

You don't think it's sad that the president of the united states tweets narcissistic, poorly written, emotionally charged drivel?

I do :silent:

I think it's refreshingly authentic, and completely inline with what I wrote above... this is why the majority of the US supports him.

We are tired of the BS PC culture.

#1 through #7 are crystal clear. Because I'm not too bright I'm not altogether clear on a few of the others.....
But #7 is one of my Faves! Even though there is a black professional/upper middle class, a black middle class, a black working class and Then - the poor, you would think in listening to their ideologues that there was only poor blacks surrounded by all well to do whites. I don't want to trivialize Anyone's poverty but when it comes to mind games against whitey, it is always 1930 or 1830....

[TargeT]

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#1 through #7 are crystal clear. Because I'm not too bright I'm not altogether clear on a few of the others.....
But #7 is one of my Faves! Even though there is a black professional/upper middle class, a black middle class, a black working class and Then - the poor, you would think in listening to their ideologues that there was only poor blacks surrounded by all well to do whites. I don't want to trivialize Anyone's poverty but when it comes to mind games against whitey, it is always 1930 or 1830....

#8 is where general wide brush stroke statements are made, statements that are obviously inclusive of everyone in a particular group, then you mention briefly "but not all of them" and then go right back to talking as if it "is all"... basically: double speak

#9 just simple misdirection, if I talk about how a certain group is responsible for a high percentage of some action, the speaker just pivots to anohter issue completely and doesn't address the original (usualy some minor non-issue which then puts the original idea in the same context).

#10 more misdirection, but this time you bring up an actual issue (still unrelated to the first) to distract and misdirect the conversation.

#11 Virtue signaling... hmm .... well basically it's when you do something you think would look good in the eyes of others with out really meaning much by it... basically putting on an act to show everyone else how virtuous you are (with a nasty edge of how superior you are, a common thing with regressives).

It's the modern example of Pathos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathos), or, basically; another way to emotionally manipulate.

well here's an example (first min or so):
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Another great example was the "facebook filters" that a lot of people used...
http://www.goodnepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/France-Flag-Profile-Picture-Make-Your-Facebook-Profile-Picture-Overlay-with-Flag-of-France-on-Supporting-Against-Terrorist-Bomb-Attack-on-Paris.jpg


#12, make sure who ever you rail against is publicly viewed as "an oppressor" of some sort, if they aren't, just lump them in with some or accuse them of it (all whites are racist, cuz they r white etc...)!

[onawah]

There's chronological age and soul age--two very different things.
According to several respected sources of The Michael Teachings readings, Trump is in the Young Soul stage, and his personality type is one of the rarest--King.
See:
http://personalityspirituality.net/2016/07/13/what-is-donald-trump/
It will be interesting to see how he acts with the Queen--I think serious butt kissing is still mandatory in her presence.
It's a relief to me that he will allow the no torture policy to remain in place.
Barbarity is not defeated with more barbarity, and that's not political correctness, that's just spiritual law.
I wonder how much Psychometrics had to do with Trump's electoral victory.
https://antidotezine.com/2017/01/22/trump-knows-you/
(update In case that article gets taken down, I've copied it here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91347-Big-Brother-is-Bigger-Than-You-Think--Google-is-tracking-us-&p=1130338&viewfull=1#post1130338


" Serious 'special' Butt Kissing all round "...........:tea:

[Sierra]

...But we all moan that candidates change when they enter the white house
he has not changed for good or for bad.

Oh, he has changed for the better! His hair is no longer orange, and the big giant Princess Diana bangs are quite a bit shorter...

I'm very glad he has changed hairdressers. I wonder what kind of hairspray he uses? And since his bangs hang so low, does he use one of those plastic masks to protect his eyes when wielding the hairspray?

Otherwise, yeah...

[TargeT]

...But we all moan that candidates change when they enter the white house
he has not changed for good or for bad.

Oh, he has changed for the better! His hair is no longer orange, and the big giant Princess Diana bangs are quite a bit shorter...

I'm very glad he has changed hairdressers. I wonder what kind of hairspray he uses? And since his bangs hang so low, does he use one of those plastic masks to protect his eyes when wielding the hairspray?

Otherwise, yeah...

Just searched and the internet let me down!

no before & after shots of Trumps hair... damn I was hoping that was a thing.

[Sierra]

...But we all moan that candidates change when they enter the white house
he has not changed for good or for bad.

Oh, he has changed for the better! His hair is no longer orange, and the big giant Princess Diana bangs are quite a bit shorter...

I'm very glad he has changed hairdressers. I wonder what kind of hairspray he uses? And since his bangs hang so low, does he use one of those plastic masks to protect his eyes when wielding the hairspray?

Otherwise, yeah...

Just searched and the internet let me down!

no before & after shots of Trumps hair... damn I was hoping that was a thing.

Well, I don't know about a "thing" (Is that a code for something?), I just noticed it on the previous page of this thread:
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Notice the skillful diminishment of the carrot orange on the side, and how cleverly the white hair feathers back.

Sorry there is no before/after shot side by side as "proof", but I think we've all seen many examples of the orange carrot look to think he has a new hair beautician.

[turiya]

Agree with MorningFox... with the exception that I don't think its so sad.

You don't think it's sad that the president of the united states tweets narcissistic, poorly written, emotionally charged drivel?

I do :silent:

We agree to disagree...

Obviously, one would find it hard to accept an opinion that differs from one's own. Removing the blinders that one has grown comfortably numb with can be quite discomforting. It is suggested to expand the view of the window one has been looking through, as this world is headed towards a major shift.

You may find the following of some interest, then again, on second thought - most probably not... seeing that being British may hamper the ability to find much of an interest, as would be likely expected... please disregard if you find it unappealing.

But I will still post the following for others that may have an interest in what this man, that goes by the name of 'Donald Trump', may possibly represent at this time in the making of our present American History.....


The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/)

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Truth & The Fourth Turning
Guest Post by Chris Oswald (https://medium.com/@csoz/truth-the-fourth-turning-46bfd181e3cd#.hkfu91417)

(https://medium.com/@csoz/truth-the-fourth-turning-46bfd181e3cd#.hkfu91417)
If you aren’t familiar with the Strauss-Howe Generational Theory of History (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory), I would encourage you to take it up. As people attempt to process the Trump election, a thing many are describing as the most surprising political development in American history, the writings of Strauss and Howe are proving remarkably prescient.


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Strauss & Howe

Those familiar with the model are in agreement that the West (and perhaps the entire world) is in the midst of something Strauss and Howe call the Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464) or, The Crisis.

A key feature of the Fourth Turning crisis is the emergence of the Grey Champion. Trump’s ascendency (as Sander’s surprising relevancy) are manifestations of the Grey Champion phenomena. Those who could not understand how two 70 year-olds rose to such prominence in this cycle will find a satisfactory explanation in the Grey Champion writings of Stauss-Howe.

Jim Quinn at The Burning Platform does a good job of juxtaposing Trump with Gandalf (a Grey Champion archetype). If you haven’t read his two part post (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/19/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-one/) on the subject, I commend it to you now. His thoughts are more extensive and important than mine and what follows is merely supplemental.

Now that I’ve done nearly everything I can to point you to writings better than my own, I will get to the point. Here I am taking up a small but significant detail in the Gandalf arc, the transformation from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White.

Early on in their epoch, Fourth Turning Grey Champions are faced with a choice. Either they will die to their political ego and tell the truth like the Lincoln did in the Civil War Saeculum. Or they will succumb to the allure of quasi-heroic "can-kicking" like FDR did in the Great Power Saeculum.


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Gandalf the Grey vs Balrog

Such was the choice of Gandalf in the Battle of the Peak. When the Grey Gandalf, a wizard of the Hobbits (the deplorables?) came face to face with the Balrog, a decision had to be made. Would he stand or shrink away? Would he descend in a self-sacrifical melee? Would he die to himself?

In this present crisis, I cannot say what form the Balrog will take. In Tolkein’s work, the Balrog is a fallen entity, previously beautiful but now perverted into various shape-shifting manifestations of power and terror. The Balrog could be classical liberalism now twisted into the rootless fascist rage of the Social Justice Warrior or the Balrog could be classical capitalism now perverted into Wall Street’s formless greed. I suspect it will be a combination of the two. Social Justice Warriors and Wall Street appear to be in contradiction with one another but remember the Balrog is a shapeshifter who fights in fire and in water. Both movements employ circular reasoning and above all, both attempt to bully the culture with the aires of inevitability. To quote another more modern science fiction series, the Balrog postures himself as if to say, “resistance is futile.”

This turning’s Grey Champion will be faced with a choice. He will either fight or flee. He will either tell the truth at great cost or join the Balrog in self-deception.

Quinn writes:

The civic decay already proliferating during and after the election will be exacerbated as bad debt wipes out financial institutions, corporations, and willfully ignorant consumer borrowers. The lesson of 2008 has already been forgotten. Rather than rolling out his grand vision, Trump will be dealing with a financial crisis which will make 2008 look like a walk in Central Park. Will he follow the same failed policies used after 2008 — NIRP, QE, and saving Wall Street at the expense of Main Street?

Or will he level with the American people, allow Wall Street banks to go bankrupt, let the free market purge the system of trillions in bad debt, tackle the unfunded entitlement liabilities, and have Americans endure a Depression in order to reset our economic system? It will take a Grey Champion with a high level of moral fortitude and courage to demand such sacrifice from the citizens of this country.
The third turning (unraveling) involved a series of unveilings that revealed the true state of America’s cultural institutions.

- 911 and the subsequent terror attacks in America have exposed the tenuousness of our homeland security.

- Pedophile priests and the Roman Catholic coverup have exposed the darkness of our sanctuaries.

- The proliferation of online pornography and the Ashley Madison hacks exposed the unsoundness of our marriages.

- The Iraq debacle ranging from WMD alarmism to Abu Grab to political indecisiveness exposed the many weaknesses of our military industrial complex.

- The 2008 housing crisis exposed our financial leaders to be lemmings and our firmest financial segment (housing) to be Papier-mâché.

- Ferguson exposed our inner cities to be piles of sweaty dynamite.

- Snowden and WikiLeaks exposed our government to be dishonest.

- Dozens of reporting scandals exposed our media to be duplicitous.


Such has been the nature of the third turning’s unraveling. We were lied to. Even worse, we lied to ourselves.

The crisis will be resolved in one of two ways:

1) The Grey Champion may kick the can down the road like FDR, ignore simple math and lull the American people into another 100 year cycle built on self-deception.

2) Or, quite improbably, the Grey Champion will stand toe to toe with the demon of inevitability and engage in a seemingly suicidal confrontation.



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Gandalf the Grey had limited power and may, at least for a time, have kept the Shire good. It took Gandalf the White to make Middle Earth great again!

Qualifiers [B]:
I did not vote for Donald Trump. The raw materials that make him a Grey Champion were the very qualities I found most objectionable. I am not optimistic that he will fight the good fight. Yet one thing is certain, the man does love to fight. Who knows? He certainly has a puncher’s chance.

By emphasizing “Gandalf the White”, I suppose I’ve set myself up to be called an alt-right dog-whistler. To which I would simply respond, “Hello Mr. Balrog, I am not at all surprised to see you here.”

The Burning Platform... (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/22/truth-the-fourth-turning/#more-136980)

[Helene West]

TargetT

Thanks for the vid explaining 'virtue signaling'. It's a good step when a phenomena is finally given a name, even better when humor is involved.

This past week someone posted a humorous vid by infowars with a donald trump being asked questions by the infowars guy.
A poster on that thread asked:

"Where are the Conservative Comedians?"

Humor, Sarcasm &Trivialization are powerful techniques that are much needed to throw the brainwashing back in the faces of those perpetuating PC Mythology. Identify and trivialize the rituals of pc religion. The regressives have been so spoiled in the last 8 years never getting any pushback.

I also believe there are many very young whites sitting on the fence. They are watching the new genre of self-loathing whites and intuitively they may not feel comfortable with it but they are not seeing any counter to this artificial cultivation of guilt ridden white mind control victims.

Young whites deserve to know they are innocent people and they don't have to waste their lives apologizing for things they didn't do and had no control over.

[norman]

...But we all moan that candidates change when they enter the white house
he has not changed for good or for bad.

Oh, he has changed for the better! His hair is no longer orange, and the big giant Princess Diana bangs are quite a bit shorter...

I'm very glad he has changed hairdressers. I wonder what kind of hairspray he uses? And since his bangs hang so low, does he use one of those plastic masks to protect his eyes when wielding the hairspray?

Otherwise, yeah...

Just searched and the internet let me down!

no before & after shots of Trumps hair... damn I was hoping that was a thing.

Well, I don't know about a "thing" (Is that a code for something?), I just noticed it on the previous page of this thread:
34896

Notice the skillful dimishment of the carrot orange on the side, and how cleverly the white hair feathers back.

Sorry there is no before/after shot side by side as "proof", but I think we've all seen many examples of the orange carrot look to think he has a new hair beautician.

I hadn't noticed much about his hair, other than it's a bit shorter than it was 6 months ago.

I've noticed that he now reads speeches, or at least comprehensive prompt notes. He doesn't look or feel so good reading speeches. I hope he returns to his old ways and makes it all up spontaneously as he goes. That's the true way and the way to let the good magic into his actions, IMO

[Sierra]

Oh. Is that virtue signaling when you attempt to compare Trump to Gandalf?

[Helene West]

Oh. Is that virtue signaling when you attempt to compare Trump to Gandalf?

I'd call it a regular comparison.
If I understood my lesson today in pc mythology:), virtue signaling you do yourself for yourself.

[turiya]

Oh. Is that virtue signaling when you attempt to compare Trump to Gandalf?

I'd call it a regular comparison.
If I understood my lesson today in pc mythology:), virtue signaling you do yourself for yourself.

Better yet, call it an 'anology' - a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
SOURCE (https://www.google.com/#q=Analogy)

What would you call this?
Virtual Signaling!
'Virtual' - almost or nearly as described, but not completely or according to strict definition.
SOURCE (https://www.google.com/#q=virtual+)
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I'd prefer mods to be transparent with the rest of the membership...
Oh, I see... I'm not suppose to see!
...Now, this is 'true' mod transparency...

[turiya]

Since it is such a good 'Analogy'... here's a follow-up... reposted...

The very possibility is this:

A generation - the 'status quo' generation - expresses its reaction - (as MorningFox had done) a standard expected reaction to what is not understood...

A 'Reaction' is different than a 'Response'. A Reaction is based on past knowledge... it is a learned type of behavior... as in a 'knee-jerk' reaction. Whereas, a 'Reponse' comes out of an awareness of the moment... its not prepared in advance... not done out of an expectation - what one is 'suppose' to be like, what one is 'supposed' to act like. But comes spontaneously out of the present moment.

For example, MSM can only be a Status Quo Reaction... it is written, spoken specifically for those that are part of, and depend on, the Status Quo for its survival.


The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/03/civil-war-ii-fourth-turning-intensifying-part-i/https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/03/civil-war-ii-fourth-turning-intensifying-part-i/)

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GREY CHAMPION (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2013/09/23/grey-champion/)

A Grey Champion must step forward and lead.
Who will it be? Where will they lead us?
These are the questions of our time.

Grey Champions
Posted on September 23, 2016
By: Strauss & Howe
One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/def/puritan-gen.html) who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return?

“I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.”

Posterity had to wait a while before seeing him again—the length of another long human life, in fact. “When eighty years had passed,” wrote Hawthorne, the Gray Champion reappeared. The occasion was the revolutionary summer of 1775—when America’s elders once again appealed to God, summoned the young to battle, and dared the hated enemy to fire. “When our fathers were toiling at the breastwork on Bunker’s Hill,” Hawthorne continued, “all through that night the old warrior walked his rounds.” This “old warrior”—this graying peer of Sam Adams or Ben Franklin or Samuel Langdon (the Harvard president who preached to the Bunker Hill troops)—belonged to the Awakening Generation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory), whose youth had provided the spiritual taproot of the republic secured in their old age.

Hawthorne wrote this stirring legend in 1837, as a young man of 33. The Bunker Hill “fathers” belonged to his parents’ generation, by then well into old age. The nation had new arguments (over slavery) and new enemies (Mexico), but no one expected the old people of that era—the worldly likes of John Marshall and John Jacob Astor—to play the role of Gray Champion.

“Long, long may it be ere he comes again!” Hawthorne prophesied. “His hour is one of darkness, and adversity, and peril. But should domestic tyranny oppress us, or the invaders’ step pollute our soil, still may the Gray Champion come….” Although Hawthorne did not say when this would be, perhaps he should have been able to tell.

Had the young author counted eight or nine decades forward from Bunker Hill, or had he envisioned the old age of the young zealots (like Joseph Smith, Nat Turner, and William Lloyd Garrison) who had recently convulsed America’s soul, he might have foreseen that the next Gray Champion would emerge from his own Transcendental Generation. Seared young by God, Hawthorne’s peers were destined late in life to face an hour of “darkness, and adversity, and peril.” The old priest-warrior would arise yet again in John Brown, damning the unrighteous from his scaffold; in Julia Ward Howe, writing “a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel”; in William Tecumseh Sherman, scorching Georgia with “the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword”; in Robert E. Lee commanding thousands of young men to their deaths at Cemetery Ridge; and especially in Abraham Lincoln, announcing to Congress that “the fiery trial through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the last generation.”

Were Hawthorne to have prophesied yet another eight decades further ahead, he might have foretold another Gray Champion whose childhood would begin just after the “fiery trial” of Hawthorne’s own old age. This generation would come of age scorching the elder-built world with its inner fire—and then, a half-saeculum later, complete its self-declared “rendezvous with destiny” as “the wise old men of World War II.” By adding FDR’s Missionary Generation (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/def/missionary-gen.html) to the recurrence, Hawthorne’s Tale would have been not Twice, but Four Times Told.

When ancestral generations passed through these great gates of history, they saw in the Gray Champion a type of elder very different from the bustling “senior citizens” of America’s recent past—and from the old “Uncle Sam” Revolutionary War survivors of the 1830s, when Hawthorne wrote his tale. Who were these old priest warriors? They were elder expressions of the Prophet (http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/generational-archetypes.html#Prophet) archetype. And their arrival into old age heralded a new constellation of generations.

SOURCE (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2013/09/23/grey-champion/)

[turiya]

Paul Craig Roberts Interview... talking about Trump & Brexit...

Trump: When was the last time you heard of someone arriving that defends the Working Class against the Ruling Elite?


Paul Craig Roberts Trump Brexit Interview
(Published on Jan 27, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL76z-3ISP4_____________________________


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The Media Is Now
The Political Opposition (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/27/media-now-political-opposition/)
— Paul Craig Roberts
January 27, 2017 | Categories: Articles & Columns
Bannon is correct that the US media—indeed, the entire Western print and TV media—is nothing but a propaganda machine for the ruling elite. The presstitutes are devoid of integrity, moral conscience, and respect for truth. As in the RT article (https://www.rt.com/usa/375271-bannon-trump-media-cnn/): Read the comments in which morons define freedom of the press as the freedom to lie to the public.

Who else but the despicable Western media justified the enormous war crimes committed against millions of peoples by the Clinton, Bush, and Obama regimes in nine countries—Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Palestine, and the Russian areas of Ukraine?

Who else but the despicable Western media justified the domestic police states that have been erected in the Western world in the name of the “war on terror”?

Along with the war criminals that comprised the Clinton, Bush, and Obama regimes, the Western media should be tried for their complicity in the massive crimes against humanity.

The Western media’s effort to sustain the high level of tension between the West and Russia is a danger to all mankind, a direct threat to life on earth. Gorbachev’s warnings (http://time.com/4645442/gorbachev-putin-trump/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook) are correct. Yet presstitutes declare that if Trump lifts the sanctions it proves that Trump is a Russian agent. It is paradoxical that the Democrats and the liberal-progressive-left are mobilizing the anti-war movement to oppose Trump’s anti-war policy!

By refusing to acknowledge and to apologize for its lies, euphemistically called “fake news,” the Western media has failed humanity in a number of other ways. For example, by consciously telling lies, the media has legitimized the suborning of perjury and false testimony used to convict innocent defendants (such as Walter McMillian in Bryan Stevenson’s Just Mercy) in America’s “justice” system, which has about the same relation to justice as genocide has to mercy. If the media can lie about world events, police and prosecutors can lie about crimes.

By taking the role of the political opposition to Trump, the media has discredited itself as an honest critic on topics where Trump needs criticism, such as the environment and his tolerance of oppressive methods used by police. The presstitutes have ended all chance of improving Trump’s performance with reports and criticism.

Trump needs moderating on the environment, on the police, and on the war on terror. Trump needs to understand that “the Muslim threat” is a hoax created by the neoconservatives and the military/security complex with the complicity of the presstitutes to serve the hegemony agenda and the budget and power of the CIA, Pentagon, and military industries. If the US stops bombing and slaughtering Muslims and training and equiping forces to overthrow non-compliant Muslim governments such as Syria, Iraq, and Libya, “the Muslim threat” will disappear.

Maybe Trump will add to his agenda breaking into hundreds of pieces the six mega-media companies that own 90% of the US media and selling the pieces to seperate independent owners who have no connection to the ruling elites. Then America would again have a media that can constrain the government with truth rather than use lies to act for or against the government.

This version reported by King World News (http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-an-ominous-warning-for-what-promises-to-be-a-very-dangerous-year/) has some delicious words from past journalists about how their only job is to lie for the rich: King World News Link (http://kingworldnews.com/paul-craig-roberts-an-ominous-warning-for-what-promises-to-be-a-very-dangerous-year/)
Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/27/media-now-political-opposition/)

[TargeT]

Well, I don't know about a "thing" (Is that a code for something?),

Just a turn of phrase, as far as I know...

I was hoping to find a MEME with before / after shots..

he does look like they took the "orange" out of his spray on tan also.. haha

[turiya]

Greg Hunter-Weekly News Wrap-Up 1.27.17
(Published on Jan 26, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTNtyouzUI0

[BMJ]

TRUMP'S TOP SPIRITUAL ADVISER BREAKS HER SILENCE, REVEALS SOMETHING THAT'LL STUN MANY

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Published on 24 Jan 2017

Sub for more: http://nnn.is/the_new_media | Randy DeSoto for Western Journalism reports, Top Trump spiritual adviser Paula White, who offered an invocation at Friday’s inauguration, says the billionaire president has a “heart for God, a hunger for God” and that they pray together before important events in his life.

Paula White from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_White

[turiya]

Recent Trump Tweets...





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The failing @nytimes has been wrong about
me from the very beginning. Said I would lose
the primaries, then the general election. FAKE
NEWS!

5:04 AM - 28 Jan 2017






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Thr coverage about me in the @nytimes and
the @washingtonpost gas been so false and
angry that the times actually apologized to
its.....

5:08 AM - 28 Jan 2017






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...dwindling subscribers and readers. They got
me wrong right from the beginning and still
have not changed course, and never will.
DISHONEST

5:16 AM - 28 Jan 2017






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[eaglespirit]

Maybe Trump will add to his agenda breaking into hundreds of pieces the six mega-media companies that own 90% of the US media and selling the pieces to separate independent owners who have no connection to the ruling elites. Then America would again have a media that can constrain the government with truth rather than use lies to act for or against the government.



...from 'control' influenced instigators and propagators to self-responsible reporters!
It has been a long time since this was basically and primarily the norm!

[Eram]

Maybe Trump will add to his agenda breaking into hundreds of pieces the six mega-media companies that own 90% of the US media and selling the pieces to separate independent owners who have no connection to the ruling elites. Then America would again have a media that can constrain the government with truth rather than use lies to act for or against the government.



...from 'control' influenced instigators and propagators to self-responsible reporters!
It has been a long time since this was basically and primarily the norm!

Yup.
It all started with the diabolical signing of the telecommunication act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996)by Bill Clinton in 1996.
Now more then 20 years ago.

[turiya]

Recent ZeroHedge Headlines...

Google Tells Offshore Staff To Return To The US After Trump Executive Order (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/google-recalls-offshore-staff-us-after-trump-executive-order)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/sundar.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/google-recalls-offshore-staff-us-after-trump-executive-order)
Google issued a stark warning to staff traveling overseas who may be impacted by Trump's new executive order on immigration: Get back to the U.S. now.

Jan 28, 2017 9:17 AM


Homeland Confirms Trump Immigration Ban Will Include Green-Card Holders (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/homeland-confirms-trump-immigration-ban-will-include-green-card-holders)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170128_green.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/homeland-confirms-trump-immigration-ban-will-include-green-card-holders)
With the world (apart from Israel) in uproar over President Trump's decision to ban immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/trump-signs-executive-orders-rebuild-us-military-block-radical-islamic-terrorists-en), Department of Homeland Security official Gillian Christensen just confirmed "[the order] will bar green card holders" also.

Jan 28, 2017 11:50 AM


Trump Attacks "Failing, Dishonest" NY Times, Washington Post In Series Of Angry Tweets (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/trump-attacks-failing-dishonest-ny-times-washington-post-series-angry-tweets)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user5/imageroot/trump%20face%203_14.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/trump-attacks-failing-dishonest-ny-times-washington-post-series-angry-tweets)
"The failing @nytimes has been wrong about me from the very beginning. Said I would lose the primaries, then the general election. FAKE NEWS!"

Jan 28, 2017 9:41 AM


Obama Issued A Massive Ammunition Ban Just One Day Before He Left Office (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/obama-issued-massive-ammunition-ban-just-one-day-he-left-office)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170127_ammo.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/obama-issued-massive-ammunition-ban-just-one-day-he-left-office)
"This directive is irresponsible and driven not out of sound science but unchecked politics... The timing alone is suspect. This directive was published without dialogue with industry, sportsmen, and conservationists..."

Jan 27, 2017 11:50 PM


How To Defeat The Globalist System (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/how-defeat-globalist-system)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170127_globalist.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/how-defeat-globalist-system)
The first step in fighting back in a 4th Gen war is to acknowledge that there is no easy way out. There is no way to change the corrupt system from within. There is no way to use politics and government to our advantage. Despite all the hopes activists have, Trump is not going to save you, or America. The Republican controlled House and Senate is not going to save us. There is nothing they could do even if they wanted to.

Jan 27, 2017 10:00 PM


CRA: The "Regulatory Game Changer" That Could Wipe Out 8 Years Of Obama Regs In An Hour (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/cra-regulatory-game-changer-could-wipe-out-8-years-obama-regs-hour)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user230519/imageroot/Obama%20Sad_1.JPG (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/cra-regulatory-game-changer-could-wipe-out-8-years-obama-regs-hour)
"The entire point of the CRA was to help legislators rein in administrations that ignored statutes and the will of Congress. Few White House occupants ever showed more contempt for the law and lawmakers than Mr. Obama. It’d be a fitting and just end to Mr. Obama’s abuse of authority—and one of the better investments of time this Congress could ever make."

Jan 27, 2017 8:40 PM


Protesters Plot "Border Wall" Rally For Tomorrow...At Zuckerberg's Sprawling $100mm Hawaiian Estate (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/zuckerberg-retreats-protesters-set-rally-border-wall-surrounding-his-hawaiian-estate)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user230519/imageroot/zuckerberg%20hawaii.JPG (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/zuckerberg-retreats-protesters-set-rally-border-wall-surrounding-his-hawaiian-estate)
"People are furious down here with him. We just want to bring this issue to light. He’s made his money stealing everyone’s information, which we’ve let him do, but to come down here and start suing everyone, that’s not going to fly down here."

Jan 27, 2017 7:50 PM


Are Sanctuary Cities More Violent? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/are-sanctuary-cities-more-violent)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170127_sanctuary1.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/are-sanctuary-cities-more-violent)
With the battle growing in sanctuary cities to deviate from President Trump’s strategy on immigration law, it is worth seeing another topic that we have been following closely: violent crime rate (http://statisticalideas.blogspot.com/2017/01/murder-rates-across-massive-cities.html) across major U.S. cities.


Jan 27, 2017 7:00 PM


Trump Administration Releases Map Of Proposed Border Wall (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/trump-administration-releases-map-proposed-border-wall)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170127_map.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/trump-administration-releases-map-proposed-border-wall)
As the Trump administration mulls the cost (and payments) for 'the wall' with Mexico, some have suggested the barrier be extended a little...

Jan 27, 2017 6:40 PM

[turiya]

X22 Report several issues... Neocons pushing Trump toward war...


The Conflict Between The Elite And Trump
Is Like A Ticking Time Bomb Ready To Go Off -
Episode 1189b
(Published on Jan 27, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-A4U131T60_________________________________

Reality is settling in... Banks cash shortage...
Europe pushing for Cashless System... Economic stats are a lie...


Get Ready The Storm Is Approaching
And It's Almost Upon Us
Episode 1189a
(Published on Jan 27, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgH5o3HRaA8

[Cidersomerset]

Weekly Address

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Published on 28 Jan 2017
The White House


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Putin & Trump discuss joint ISIS fight, Ukraine crisis, future meeting in first phone call

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Published on 28 Jan 2017

Russian President Vladimir Putin has had his first telephone conversation with new
US President Donald Trump. They discussed the joint fight against international
terrorism, the situation in the Middle East, the Ukrainian crisis and plans for a
future meeting of the two leaders

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Swearing-in of the Sec. of Defense, General Mattis

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Pentagon

[turiya]

The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/)

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Dear Mr. President (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/28/dear-mr-president/#more-141922)
Posted on January 28, 2017
by Norman Franklin
Dear President Trump:
In business one never hears about the ten things you do right, only the one you do wrong. Well I would like to talk about all the things you are doing right, before I talk about the one thing you are doing wrong. First, congratulations, a lesser man in your position at your age would have said, “screw this who needs it?” All the spittle and phlegm directed at you from the cacophony of idiots that make up the chattering class was like nothing in recent American history. This was the first hint to most of us nearly two years ago that you were on the right track.

Many of us knew from the start of this that you had a real shot, as long as you never scraped and groveled like those flaming losers Willard Romney and wet start Johnny McCain. You had faith in us, the voiceless, and we had faith in you. Even if you were to go down to the foul queen of corruption, one thing was certain, you would go down fighting. This was the first time in many of our lifetimes’ we had seen this. It was spectacular to behold as the arrogant snot-nosed "fake media" lost their collective minds.

Mr. President, a grateful nation owes you a debt of gratitude. You have placed yourself, your family, and your sacred fortune in grave danger. In so doing you have exposed the cheating, lies, fraud, and abuse of the last thirty years. If there is still a majority of Americans with a single functioning brain cell, we the people should never have to suffer junior Bush, Willie, Barry, or any of their corrupt family members anytime in the next twenty or so years.

Thank you. This, along with your slaying the beast of political correctness has given America a little breathing room. You sir will still have to deal with THE nasty woman. Make sure she is held to account for her crimes against humanity. Here’s hoping you have already delegated that task. Right now there is more pressing business facing the country.

Thank you for raising the issue of voter fraud. As this debate gets into full gear, I would like to encourage you to not give up this fight. First and foremost the war criminal George Sorrows has committed treason against this country, by fomenting insurrection, paying people to commit violent acts against American citizens, and buying local politicians/voting machines.

Please direct the attorney general to ENFORCE THE EXISTING LAWS. Most people left and right, would support locking this admitted Nazi war criminal in the bottom of a pit for whatever remains of his slimy wretched existence. Many other countries are coming to the same conclusion as Sorrows’ links to ISIS and other stone-age throat-cutters are beginning to be exposed and unraveled.

Let’s elevate the debate on the value of citizenship in this republic. No longer to be diluted by giving it to those who don’t aspire to the American Dream of working hard and building something, never-mind learning English. There are too many gimme-dats that couldn’t even be bothered to stay in their country and fight to fix things. Instead, they ran away, coming here and then trying to remake this once prosperous country into the graven image of the failed state they just fled.

Not all but many hate us, rightfully so, for our sins, sins the uni-party, neocon, deep state pizza worshipers have committed. Sins which they still commit to this day. Citizenship given so freely ends up having little value. People who are not citizens of a country should have no say in any affairs involving said country. Were it to be otherwise, America should lay down and slit her wrists and bleed out. This is the biggest dilemma facing our country, as I’m sure you are aware.

A suggested solution for this problem follows. First and foremost, only American living, breathing citizens are allowed the franchise of voting. Ignore the 'south-side effeminate ping-pong' ex-president who told the country preceding your election that it was OK for illegal-aliens here illegally to vote. In fact, he went so far as to assure them they would not be prosecuted for said crime. Ignore the fake media trying to drag you into the weeds about how many illegals voted and where is your proof.

Our once great media has become a fifth-column full of degenerate quislings. The proof is all around them yet their ideology blinds them to the truth. Don’t let the fake media goad you into a debate about crowd size, hand size, or whatever. If you think you need to fight these people on a personal level let Kellyanne put in the work. On policy, delegate vice-president Pence to be in charge of fight club. He proved his mettle by destroying Hillary’s little gimp buffalo bill. Save your twitter fights to pulverize those cowards that go after your wife and kids. In all of this we will have your back.

Next, delete all the voter roles in their entirety, without prejudice, no whining, sniveling or quibbling. All American citizens who care about being part of the process will have 700 or so days to register before the next national election. If you want to vote produce a government issued ID the same as for flying or even checking out a book out of the library. The only argument the race hustlers, poverty pimps, and aggrieved groups would have is “Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, everywhere Hitlers.”

Tough sh¡t, the people of this country know by your deeds that you are not a racist, and we are educating the majority to the history of sheets Byrd and the demoncrats long standing ties to the clan. I am sure we will hear wailing and moaning about minorities being disenfranchised. It is a racist display for the Dims and their lawyers/liars to suggest that African Americans are incapable of obtaining an ID. The only ones disenfranchised by this action have no franchise to begin with that’s why they are called "illegal" aliens.

Maybe you could direct the NSA to produce a master list of all American citizens who are eligible to vote [no convicted felons, illegals, or dead folks from chiraq] to verify the new voter rolls. This should be easy for them to do in a day with all that super-computing ability they have up in northern Utah with all that money spent spying on Americans finally put to good use. Now that is what I call winning, and no, Mr. President, we are not tired nor will we ever be tired of winning. This could be a monumental legacy, restore faith in our voting system, and make America great again, because it’s what Americans crave.

In closing, please continue to try and elevate the argument to the real problem which is the 'fake ping-pong' media’s persistent manipulation of perspective. Strike at the root. There are fifty million patriots in this country who, may not agree with you all the time, but will have your six as long as you keep working hard, like we all do. We can successfully make the winning arguments above to the vast majority of Americans, black, white, red, yellow, brown and rainbow. I hope this letter finds its way to you.

Good luck and god speed.

THE BURNING PLATFORM (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/28/dear-mr-president/#more-141922)

[turiya]

One thing should be pointed out:
The following appointments are important
in the pursuance of the
Voter Fraud issue...






Donald F. "Don" McGahn II is the current
White House Counsel for U.S. President
Donald Trump, serving since January 20,
2017. He is an American campaign finance
lawyer, and a former Commissioner of the
United States Federal Election Commission.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McGahn)


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/US-WhiteHouse-Logo.svg/100px-US-WhiteHouse-Logo.svg.png
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
January 25, 2017

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Donald F. McGahn

President Donald J. Trump
Announces White House
Compliance Team
(Washington, DC) — President Donald J. Trump today announced the appointment of the legal team who will serve under White House Counsel Donald F. McGahn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McGahn) with respect to Compliance and Ethics matters. Stefan C. Passantino has been commissioned to serve as Deputy Assistant to the President and Deputy Counsel to the President along with Uttam Dhillon, Scott Gast and James D. Schultz who have been commissioned to serve as Special Assistants to the President and Associate Counsel to the President.

Stefan Passantino served as Chair of the Dentons Political Law team where he represented corporations, interest groups, political figures, and other entities with respect to ethics, election law, pay-to-play compliance, and state and federal lobbying laws. Stefan has served as counsel to numerous prominent political figures across the political spectrum including serving as chief campaign counsel for Senators Johnny Isakson and Roy Blunt and several Members of Congress. Stefan graduated from the Emory University School of Law where he was a Managing Editor of the Emory Law Journal.

Uttam Dhillon served as Chief Oversight Counsel for the U.S. House of Representatives Financial Services Committee. Prior to joining Financial Services, Uttam served as chief of the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Counternarcotics Enforcement. He previously worked as an Associate Deputy Attorney General for the Department of Justice, Chief Counsel for the House Select Committee on Homeland Security, Policy Director for the U.S. House of Representatives Policy Committee, and as an Assistant United States Attorney in Los Angeles. Uttam graduated from Boalt Hall School of Law at the University of California, Berkeley in 1987.

Scott Gast served as Investigative Counsel to the Office of Congressional Ethics. Prior to joining the Office of Congressional Ethics, Scott was an attorney at the law firm Covington & Burling LLP, where his practice focused on political law and white collar criminal defense and investigations. Scott graduated from the University of Virginia School of Law, where he was a member of the Virginia Law Review.

James Schultz was Chair of Cozen O'Connor's Government Law and Regulatory Affairs Practice Group. Prior to joining Cozen & O'Connor, Jim served as General Counsel of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania where he provided legal counsel to the governor and his executive staff and managed a legal organization of nearly 500 lawyers who served as counsel to 36 executive agencies and independent boards and commissions. Jim graduated from Widener University School of Law.

White House Counsel Don McGahn said "The appointment of a team of this caliber reflects the importance of ethics compliance to the President and this administration."

Newt Gingrich:

"As Speaker of the House, a presidential candidate, and businessman, I have relied on Stefan Passantino as my lawyer and counselor for almost twenty years" said former Speaker Newt Gingrich. "I have the utmost confidence that he will serve in the White House with professionalism and courage. No one understands the ethics process better than Stefan. He will stand firm for an administration that is above reproach. President Trump could not have picked a better professional for this job."

Former Democratic National Committee Chair and Presidential candidate Howard Dean said:

"I have worked with Stefan (from the other side of the aisle) for eight years. I have a lot of confidence that he will be clear about what the ethical and legal boundaries are in his advice to the White House, and I appreciate his willingness to serve the country."


Senator Johnny Isakson:

“The President has made a very wise choice in his decision to appoint Stefan Passantino, who over the course of two decades has earned a reputation for excellence in advising corporations, elected officials and political organizations on ethics and compliance issues,” said U.S. Senator Johnny Isakson, who is one of Passantino's clients and who serves as chairman of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Ethics. “Stefan brings a depth of knowledge and dedication to service that few could match.”


U.S. Senator Roy Blunt (Mo.):

"Stefan is smart, tough and a total professional. He will be an asset to the White House, though I will miss having his good advice on compliance and ethics laws."

The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/president-donald-j-trump-announces-white-house-compliance-team)

[turiya]

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"Refugees In, Racists Out"
Protestors Storm JFK, O'Hare Airports
After Trump's 'Muslim Ban' - Live Feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-14/trump-team-will-not-attend-davos-would-betray-populist-fueled-movement)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 28, 2017 6:14 PM
With banners and chants proclaiming "build a wall... we'll tear it down", "let them in", "hey, hey, JFK, no more fascists USA", and "refugees in, racists out", hundreds of protestors are assembled at JFK airport (and Chicago O'Hare) following President Trump's 'Muslim' ban.

As NBC4New York reports (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Following-Detainment-Refugees-Welcome-Protest-Erupts-at-JFK-Airport-412046833.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand),

With chants of "No hate, no fear, refugees are welcome here," protesters gathered at John F. Kennedy Airport where 12 refugees were detained Saturday under President Donald Trump's executive order to ban refugees from entering the United States for four months.

More than 300 demonstrators held homemade signs that read "No ban, no wall" and "Refugees welcome" in front of Terminal 4's international arrivals area. One sign called for President Trump's impeachment and the deportation of the first lady.

"We're here to tell Trump that we are not going anywhere," said lawyer and refugee advocate Jacki Esposito, who helped organize the protest. "Today is the beginning of a long opposition from us, and our neighbors all over the country."

The crowds are growing.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fodlq5uZUfA


Additionally, the NYC Taxi Workers just called for a work stoppage, starting at 6 pm. No pick ups or drop offs to JFK.

From 6 to 7 p.m., drivers are not picking up passengers at Terminal 4.

"As an organization whose membership is largely Muslim, a workforce that's almost universally immigrant, and a working-class movement that is rooted in the defense of the oppressed, we say no to this inhumane and unconstitutional ban," the NYTWA said in a statement. There are approximately 19,000 drivers in the union including yellow cab drivers, green car and black car drivers. The union also represents Uber and Lyft drivers.

The protests will be coming to other airports...





Udi Ofer @UdiACLU (https://twitter.com/UdiACLU?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
Protest #MuslimBan:
JFK: 6pm
EWR: 6pm
Dulles: 5pm
SFO: 3pm
ATL: Tomorrow
PHL: Sunday 2pm
CHI: 6pm
LAX: 5pm
SEA: 5pm
BOS: 7pm
DEN: 5pm
6:15 PM - 28 Jan 2017



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ZEROHEDGE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-28/refugees-racists-out-protestors-storm-jfk-airport-after-trumps-muslim-ban-live-feed)

[abmqa]

The Donald shooting from the finger tips .......Tweeting has wrong footed the press and gives him direct access to the public , but it also can backfire and give instant ammo to his critics as well...

[...]

Trump’s frequent and inflammatory tweets and the role they play in driving the news cycle and bypassing traditional news services.


It's highly, highly unlikely this is really him sending those, even if it's from his authorized, genuine, account. Trump may not even be fully aware of what's being sent out in his name.

Many of the tweets read like they're being sent by someone relatively young and immature. Even if the news media knows that, they'll take the gift with open arms and gleefully use it to smear him.

He needs to close that down, fast — and make a statement that this is not him, but someone in his team.

Bill, sadly that is Trump, being himself. It's incredible to the point where one can find it unbelievable that the "President of the United States" feels compelled to conduct himself in such a manner. His narcissistic approach to nearly any issue typically centers around either praise for the "size of", "greatness of" or the "the success of" relative to his actions or his being.

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.

He surrounds himself with sycophants and has no issue with sending them out to offer up alternative facts aka lies...

Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary, or there were 1.5 million present at his inauguration.

If that is the case then he most likely has mental issues.

Bill, I'll leave you with this quote from Maya Angelou - “When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time.”

[TargeT]

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.


Other view points see it as pattern based recognition, Illegal immigrants are illegal first, in violation of the law; seems as cut and dry to me as possible. Change the law or enforce it,...... or admit you are actively undermining this country and what it is based on (Rule of Law, a Republic).



Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary,


Just a mear 800,000 according to this study (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)+
+

though who can say for sure, eh? I will say this, it certainly fits the "M.O.".

[turiya]

Bill, sadly that is Trump, being himself.

From the text below:

"To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning. One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump."


https://kauilapele.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/zero_hedge_logo_31.gif
'Grey Champion'
Assumes Command,
Part 1 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-20/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-1)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Nov 20, 2016 5:30 PM Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/11/19/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-one/),


At each of these great gates of history, eighty to a hundred years apart, a similar generational drama unfolded. Four archetypes, aligned in the same order – elder Prophet, midlife Nomad, young adult Hero, child Artist – together produced the most enduring legends in our history. Each time the Grey Champion appeared marked the arrival of a moment of “darkness, and adversity, and peril,” the climax of the Fourth Turning of the saeculum. – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) – Strauss & Howe


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In September 2015, I wrote a five part article called Fourth Turning: Crisis of Trust. In Part 2 (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/09/14/fourth-turning-crisis-of-trust-part-2/) of that article I pondered who might emerge as the Grey Champion, leading the country during the second half of this Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-American-Prophecy-Rendezvous/dp/0767900464/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_til?tag=thebur01-20&linkCode=w00&linkId=12f27700a4b1be5f7abb0252bb808542&creativeASIN=0767900464) Crisis. I had the above pictures of Franklin, Lincoln, and FDR, along with a flaming question mark. The question has been answered. Donald J. Trump is the Grey Champion.

When I wrote that article, only one GOP debate had taken place. There were eleven more to go. Trump was viewed by the establishment as a joke, ridiculed by the propaganda media, and disdained by the GOP and Democrats. I was still skeptical of his seriousness and desire to go the distance, but I attempted to view his candidacy through the lens of the Fourth Turning. I was convinced the mood of the country turning against the establishment could lead to his elevation to the presidency. I was definitely in the minority at the time:



Until three months ago the 2016 presidential election was in control of the establishment. The Party was putting forth their chosen crony capitalist figureheads – Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. They are hand-picked known controllable entities who will not upset the existing corrupt system. They are equally acceptable to Goldman Sachs, the Federal Reserve, the military industrial complex, the sickcare industry, mega-corporate America, the moneyed interests, and the never changing government apparatchiks. The one party system is designed to give the appearance of choice, while in reality there is no difference between the policies of the two heads of one party and their candidate products. But now Donald Trump has stormed onto the scene from the reality TV world to tell the establishment – You’re Fired!!!

The linear thinking supporters of the status quo are flabbergasted and outraged by Trump’s popularity. The ruling classes never anticipate the mood shift of the peasants as they look down on the masses from their gated estates and penthouse suites. The country is looking for someone who can tear down the entire fetid, corrupt, rotting structure. The onset of phase two of this Crisis in 2016 will produce a populace more desperate, less trusting of the establishment and likely to turn towards someone like Trump, in despair. – Fourth Turning – Crisis of Trust (Part Two) (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/09/14/fourth-turning-crisis-of-trust-part-2/)

Strauss and Howe wrote their prophetic tome two decades ago. Their prognostications have played out exactly as they prophesied. They did not know which events or which people would catalyze this Fourth Turning. But they knew the mood change in the country would be driven by the predictable generational alignment which occurs every eighty years. Our regeneracy is now solidly under way.

“Soon after the catalyst, a national election will produce a sweeping political realignment, as one faction or coalition capitalizes on a new public demand for decisive action. Republicans, Democrats, or perhaps a new party will decisively win the long partisan tug of war. This new regime will enthrone itself for the duration of the Crisis. Regardless of its ideology, that new leadership will assert public authority and demand private sacrifice. Where leaders had once been inclined to alleviate societal pressures, they will now aggravate them to command the nation’s attention. The regeneracy will be solidly under way.” – Strauss & Howe – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&)

Linear thinking pundits, politicians, businessmen, bankers, bureaucrats, and citizens fail to grasp the cyclical nature of history. They think themselves progressives, falsely believing humanity and history move forward in a straight line. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is why they throw hissy fits when their predictions and beliefs are thrown into disarray by events and mood changes in the country.

The linear thinking establishment is losing their proverbial minds over Trump’s landslide electoral victory, they never saw coming. They’re flabbergasted, angry, and living in denial as history tracks a path it travels every eighty years or so. As the Greatest Generation departs this earth, there are few left who lived through the last Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&). That’s why the living generations are always surprised when another predictable crisis arrives. We never seem to learn the lessons of history.

Perpetual progress is a myth. Average American households haven’t seen economic progress in decades. Education continues to deteriorate, as the young become progressively dumber. Well-paying goods producing jobs have been shipped overseas, replaced by low paying, no benefits service jobs. Government is corrupt, inept, and discredited. Our culture is degraded, decadent, depraved, and despoiled.

Progress has devolved into regression. We’ve entered our saecular Winter and there is no turning back. It arrived with ferocious blizzard like conditions in 2008, and had been in a debt induced lull until this election. A bitter fierce wind has begun to whip across the plains and black swirling clouds portend a tempestuous future. As the gathering storm looms, the Grey Champion appears on the mountaintop.


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“Americans have always been blind to the next turning until after it fully arrives.

Most of today’s adult Americans grew up in a society whose citizens dreamed of perpetually improving outcomes: better jobs, fatter wallets, stronger government, finer culture, nicer families, smarter kids, all the usual fruits of progress. Today, deep into the Third Turning, these goals feel like they are slipping away. Many of us wish we could rewind time, but we know we can’t – and we fear for our children and grandchildren.

Many Americans wish that, somehow, they could bring back a saecular spring now. But seasons don’t work that way. As in nature, a saecular autumn can be warm or cool, long or short, but the leaves will surely fall. The saecular winter can hurry or wait, but history warns that it will surely be upon us.

We may not wish the Grey Champion to come again – but come he must, and come he will!” – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) – Strauss & Howe

To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&). One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump.

In most cases the Grey Champions are not revered or glorified until decades after the Crisis is resolved. Lincoln was and still is despised by just about everyone living south of the Mason Dixon line. Outraged businessmen attempted to convince Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR. Large swaths of Americans believe he is responsible for creating our welfare state and the unfunded liabilities which are playing a large part in this current Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&). The unintended consequences of decisions made in previous Fourth Turnings often become the catalysts for the next crisis.

The Grey Champion or Champions are Prophet Generation leaders who command respect due to their age, attitude and warlike demeanor. They were born shortly after the previous Great War Crisis and became the narcissistic young crusaders during the Awakening, driven achievers during the midlife Unraveling, and principled moralists summoning great deeds during the next Crisis.

They tend to inspire through their words and rhetoric, rather than through grand deeds. They are human beings, and as with all humans, they exhibit both positive and negative traits. Prominent positive traits include being principled, resolute and creative. Detrimental traits include being narcissistic, presumptuous, and ruthless. The Grey Champion arrives when the situation looks grim and the people need a jolt of courage to meet the frightful challenges ahead.

One afternoon in April 1689, as the American colonies boiled with rumors that King James II was about to strip them of their liberties, the King’s hand-picked governor of New England, Sir Edmund Andros, marched his troops menacingly through Boston. His purpose was to crush any thought of colonial self-rule. To everyone present, the future looked grim.

Just at that moment, seemingly from nowhere, there appeared on the streets “the figure of an ancient man” with “the eye, the face, the attitude of command.” His manner “combining the leader and the saint,” the old man planted himself directly in the path of the approaching British soldiers and demanded that they stop. “The solemn, yet warlike peal of that voice, fit either to rule a host in the battlefield or be raised to God in prayer, were irresistible. At the old man’s word and outstretched arm, the roll of the drum was hushed at once, and the advancing line stood still.” Inspired by this single act of defiance, the people of Boston roused their courage and acted. Within the day, Andros was deposed and jailed, the liberty of Boston saved, and the corner turned on the colonial Glorious Revolution.

“Who was this Gray Champion?” Nathaniel Hawthorne asked near the end of this story in his Twice-Told Tales. No one knew, except that he had once been among the fire-hearted young Puritans who had first settled New England more than a half century earlier. Later that evening, just before the old priest-warrior disappeared, the townspeople saw him embracing the 85-year-old Simon Bradstreet, a kindred spirit and one of the few original Puritans still alive. Would the Gray Champion ever return? “I have heard,” added Hawthorne, “that whenever the descendants of the Puritans are to show the spirit of their sires, the old man appears again.” – The Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) – Strauss & Howe

The old man has appeared again. Just as he appeared eighty years after the glorious revolution behind the breastworks on Bunker Hill, providing spiritual inspiration to the farmer militia. The greying peer of Samuel Adams and Ben Franklin was just playing his role in the generational alignment which occurs every eighty years like clockwork. As the hour of darkness, adversity and peril arrives, the virtuous, fiery and unrepentant Gray Champion(s) appear through the fog of history like an apparition.

As the clock counted down to 1860, seventy-nine years after the climax of the previous Crisis, ideologues, warriors and righteous politician Grey Champions like John Brown, William Tecumseh Sherman, Robert E. Lee and Abraham Lincoln stepped into the breach, as the terrible swift sword felled over 700,000 citizens.

Seven decades later as financial markets collapsed, the world sank into a global depression, with world war just over the horizon, a moralistic no-nonsense prophet generation leader arose to lead his nation towards their rendezvous with destiny. As ancestral generations entered the constellation that reoccurs every eighty years, elder warriors FDR, Douglas MacArthur, and Winston Churchill appeared to revive the spirits of their countrymen and fight the scourge of fascism.

No one can make the argument these three Crisis leaders were likeable. In fact, their personalities were grating and they were detested by friends and foes alike. What they did was ignore protocol, feelings, and minutia, to focus on the only thing that mattered – prevailing at all costs.

The previous two Grey Champion leaders – Lincoln and Roosevelt – are still reviled by many Americans, as they were by millions during their time. Unconstitutional policies and executive actions during the gloomy ambiguous days of the Civil War, Great Depression, and World War II left a long lasting impression on the country and play a major role in our current crisis. Both centralized power with the Federal government, drastically weakening the power of the states. Both set the country on a path towards increased taxation, spending and waging war.

Lincoln and FDR were elected Grey Champions, but Lincoln only received 39.9% of the popular vote in a four way race, while FDR won in a landslide with 57% of the vote over Hoover. It was clear Lincoln didn’t have a mandate, as Southern states began seceding after his election. Lincoln’s support in the North was halfhearted at best.

Lincoln captured only 55% of the vote in the 1864 election, with only northern states voting. His cabinet of rivals despised him. They plotted against him, actively opposed his policies, and gloried in his failures. After four grim years of slaughter and failure, he was assassinated just as his armies’ attained victory. To this day he is still despised by liberty minded states’ rights proponents.

Even though FDR won landslide popular vote victories in 1932 and 1936, his detractors and adversaries were numerous. FDR’s confiscation of gold, antagonism toward big business, and dictatorial style, convinced a number of wealthy businessmen to approach General Smedley Butler to lead a coup against FDR and install a fascist regime to run the country. His New Deal “make work” projects and socialist policies were widely scorned by free market capitalists, as they prolonged the Great Depression.

No one can assert Lincoln or FDR united all Americans in a common cause. Grey Champions are not universally adored or defended. They aggravated societal pressures that had been ignored or deferred by their predecessors. Compromise was not an alternative for these men. They were going to lead in a confrontational style suited to the times, using unyielding principles to vanquish their enemies. Grey Champions have a particular set of personality traits making them well suited to lead during a Crisis. They have the facility to overlook the complexities of life and focus on one simple imperative: society must prevail.

In Part Two of this article (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1116186&viewfull=1#post1116186) I will assess the prospects of success for our new Grey Champion – Donald J. Trump and why this Fourth Turning (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767900464?tag=thebur01-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0767900464&adid=0VTFPQQFCAV7FYWEMDZT&) is about to turn nasty.

ZERO HEDGE SOURCE (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-20/grey-champion-assumes-command-part-1)

[abmqa]

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.


Other view points see it as pattern based recognition, Illegal immigrants are illegal first, in violation of the law; seems as cut and dry to me as possible. Change the law or enforce it,...... or admit you are actively undermining this country and what it is based on (Rule of Law, a Republic).



Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary,


Just a mear 800,000 according to this study (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)+
+

though who can say for sure, eh? I will say this, it certainly fits the "M.O.".

Well that number is not good enough. Trump as he actually believes that he lost the popular vote by more than 2 million illegals voting and thus the main reason for his concern. Is based on his own narcissistic tendencies otherwise he would not apply energy to address it.

"Other view points" Alternative Facts? Illegals immigrants violated the law. That is a fact. We agree. Truth be told, I am ambivalent towards "persons" that have entered our country "illegally" and have made a life for themselves and their families by subsequently obeying U.S laws and being good citizens. However, that is not my point.

If you noticed my statement included the term "religious bigot" So I assume you agree with trump that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US?

Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?

You support trumps behavior? smh

[abmqa]

Bill, sadly that is Trump, being himself.

From the text below:

"To those who have never read the book or understand generational theory, they are appalled I would declare Donald Trump as the Grey Champion. They interpret the word “champion” as having a positive connotation. It has nothing to do with whether the Grey Champion is a good person, moral person, or likeable person. It doesn’t even have to be one person. Ben Franklin and Samuel Adams, both from the Prophet generation, are considered the Grey Champions of the American Revolution Fourth Turning. One was a diplomat who used his guile and cunning to propel the revolution forward. The other was a firebrand, in the mold of our current Donald Trump."



ummm ....... I have no words for you...... only Wow....

[Helene West]

Looks like these riots are going to be our life day in, day out, week in, week out, for years....
what a drag....

government is going to have to catch up it's law enforcement teams with the new type of twitter alarm riots... they need to be more johnny on the spot just like the twitter zombies... they have to be ready for the New Young American A-holes who you can't even say, 'they'll miss america when it's gone', they're far too stupid and brainwashing has removed their natural survival instincts...

but then again, gov waits until they have thousands of muslims dominating industries like taxi's, then they want to do something about it....closing the proverbial barn door after the horses have escaped....

[turiya]

I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications.


Other view points see it as pattern based recognition, Illegal immigrants are illegal first, in violation of the law; seems as cut and dry to me as possible. Change the law or enforce it,...... or admit you are actively undermining this country and what it is based on (Rule of Law, a Republic).



Perhaps all are not lies to him, as he could actually believe that over 3 million illegals voted for Hillary,


Just a mear 800,000 according to this study (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/)+
+

though who can say for sure, eh? I will say this, it certainly fits the "M.O.".

Well that number is not good enough. Trump as he actually believes that he lost the popular vote by more than 2 million illegals voting and thus the main reason for his concern. Is based on his own narcissistic tendencies otherwise he would not apply energy to address it.

"Other view points" Alternative Facts? Illegals immigrants violated the law. That is a fact. We agree. Truth be told, I am ambivalent towards "persons" that have entered our country "illegally" and have made a life for themselves and their families by subsequently obeying U.S laws and being good citizens. However, that is not my point.

If you noticed my statement included the term "religious bigot" So I assume you agree with trump that all Muslims should be banned from entering the US?

Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?

You support trumps behavior? smh

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Okay, I see you disappeared - so, I will do it for you...


Head of FBI James Comey says adequate
vetting of so-called "Syrian refugees" is NOT possible
(Published on Mar 3, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2CcVsnGaMA_____________________________

Rep. Bishop asks FBI Director Comey
about vetting of Syrian refugees
(10/22/15)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-1ovgAwHFo_____________________________


James Clapper warns of ISIL among the refugees
(Published on Sep 11, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppuYKF5x8PY_____________Late Add_____________

[At 4:00] CIA's John Brennan:

Since at least 2014, ISIL has been working to build an aparatus to direct & inspire its attacks against its foreign enemies resulting in hundreds of casualties. The most prominent attacks are the ones in Paris & Brussels, which we assess were directed by ISIL's leadership. We judge that ISIL is training & attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. ISIL has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West. And the group is probably exploring a varitey of means of Infilrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel.

Sound like fake passports to me.


Intelligence Committee: CIA Director
Brennan's opening remarks
(Published on Jun 16, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_z-USgleH8?t=3m30s

[abmqa]

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Wow...see this video ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video i believe that is trump speaking in that video..my eyes and ears still work ...what does he say in it? ball in your court .... WOW!! pathetic really...

were supposed to pretend that he never said that...double wow!!

[BMJ]

Swearing-in of the Sec. of Defense, General Mattis

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Published on 27 Jan 2017
Pentagon

James Mattis has chosen these two admirals to be his top advisers at the Pentagon

Defense Secretary James Mattis on Monday filled two key positions on the Pentagon staff, choosing a two-star Navy admiral to be his senior military adviser and a retired Navy two-star to serve as chief of staff.

Rear Adm. Craig S. Faller will become Mattis' top uniformed adviser, said Navy Capt. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman. Retired Rear Adm. Kevin M. Sweeney will become Mattis' chief of staff. Additional staff announcements are expected in the coming days and weeks, Davis added.

Mattis has known Faller and Sweeney for several years. Each worked for the retired Marine Corps general during his tenure as head of U.S. Central Command.

Link: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/james-mattis-craig-faller-kevin-sweeney

[turiya]

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Wow...see this video ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video i believe that is trump speaking in that video..my eyes and ears still work ...what does he say in it? ball in your court .... WOW!! pathetic really...

were supposed to pretend that he never said that...double wow!!
abmqa
Okay, I now see you are back... I did the research that you don't want to do... its posted below.
In that clip you gave the link: Trump states that he wants a complete & total shut down of Muslims entering the United States UNTIL our country's representatives can figure out "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!"

That sounds, to me, like a temporary ban until a proper vetting process can be put in place!

You don't see it that way? Triple Wow!!!



Head of FBI James Comey says adequate
vetting of so-called "Syrian refugees" is NOT possible
(Published on Mar 3, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2CcVsnGaMA_____________________________

Rep. Bishop asks FBI Director Comey
about vetting of Syrian refugees
(10/22/15)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-1ovgAwHFo_____________________________


James Clapper warns of ISIL among the refugees
(Published on Sep 11, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppuYKF5x8PY_____________Late Add_____________



[At 4:00] CIA's John Brennan:

"Since at least 2014, ISIL has been working to build an aparatus to direct & inspire its attacks against its foreign enemies resulting in hundreds of casualties. The most prominent attacks are the ones in Paris & Brussels, which we assess were directed by ISIL's leadership. We judge that ISIL is training & attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. ISIL has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West. And the group is probably exploring a varitey of means of Infilrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel."

Sound like fake passports to me.


Intelligence Committee: CIA Director
Brennan's opening remarks
(Published on Jun 16, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_z-USgleH8?t=3m30s

[abmqa]

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.


Also I quote you here "I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine."

I will remind you of what I stated so as not to get confused with alternative facts. ... "I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications."

It appears to me that you assumed I made that statement because of his position on illegals? Wrong!!

I have firsthand knowledge of his behavior that includes racist comments.

I was born and grew up in South Jersey, New Jersey..30 minutes from Atlantic City (AC).

As you may be aware Trump ran and built casinos in AC.

My father started a custom kitchen and bath business which I grew up working in. The business is still active and flourishing see here:

http://www.millerfabricators.com/gallery.php

Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

[turiya]

Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

Now, I see we're drifting away from the Muslim immigration issue. We must, then, be done with it. And so you must see, that all the protestiing going on about the Muslim ban protesting going on in various airports are being done by people that don't understand that its basically a systemic vetting issue regarding "Radical Islamic" terrorists that may be infiltrating into the masses of people wanting to exit the M.E & come to America, and elsewhere.

Moving into Religious bigotry... Now, religion is a personal thing to me. My take on what a 'true' religion is that it only can be on an individual basis. What I mean by this is that you can't get to heaven by hopping on a bus, train with a mass of other people... There is no "mass transit system" that can take you to heaven. Real religion is entirely an "individual" affair. I don't consider any so-called "established" religion as having a true religious quality to it. Rather, it is simply an established 'belief' system that is accepted by the masses of people to do a variety of rituals. In other words, all established religions are nothing more than cults. The Roman Catholic cult, the Judaic cult, the Jesuit cult, Hindu cult, the Islamic cult. Its freedom to choose one's religious cult.

Established religions have been created by priesthoods, working similarly as CEOs for that particular establishment - it runs like a business. Priests, Clerics, Pastors, Ministers, Imams are the control mechanism, acting as politicians. Government politicians want to lead people in this worldly life, of living in a community, county, States, nations. Similarly, Priests, Clerics, Pastors, Ministers, Imams - they also want to lead people, except its to lead people into an otherly world - the afterlife. They are both leaders of the people. And they run like a big business. They are an internal functioning arm of the external political system. Priests & politicians - they are working together - to control people, to exploit the masses of people. Nothing more, nothing less. So, you can call Trump a religious bigot if you want, but I don't really think it has any real basis.



My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

No, I would not say you are wrong in the way you feel. You have a right to feel any which way you want to feel.

I don't have a direct experience in dealing with Trump.
And I see, from what you've said, neither do you... Neither do you have a direct experience in dealing with Trump.
Not to say anything against your father, but what you have heard your father say, it still remains - for you, it is not a direct, first hand, experience. I am sure you trust your father, from what you've stated. But its still not your personal, first hand experience dealing with Trump.

I'm not defending Trump for what went on between your father & Trump.
Just saying that if the experience is not personally yours, then it remains second hand information.

Feel or think the way you want to - nothing wrong... just be aware of where some of these notions are coming from.
Are they out of your own experience? Or are you hearing it from some outside source.... some news source of some kind...

[7alon]

Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

[turiya]

Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

I am not so much fully informed on this particular subject. But my sense is that it regards federal funding. In the past, abortion was a State issue. But now we have federally funded Planned Parenthood Centers that also provide abortions. My opinion is that it should be an indiividual choice, but the federal government needs to be removed from the equation. Hence, no federal funding of abortions is the issue.

[7alon]

Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

I am not so much fully informed on this particular subject. But my sense is that it regards federal funding. In the past, abortion was a State issue. But now we have federally funded Planned Parenthood Centers that also provide abortions. My opinion is that it should be an indiividual choice, but the federal government needs to be removed from the equation. Hence, no federal funding of abortions is the issue.

Hmm I have looked into it since I posted, and I can see both the for and against point of views. I feel stuck in the middle regarding my opinion on this.

[abmqa]

That sounds, to me, like a temporary ban until a proper vetting process can be put in place!

You don't see it that way? Triple Wow!!!


No I don't see it that way. I call it for what it is when someone shows intolerance towards a Group based on religious or racial prejudice I Call It Bigotry...for some its not so hard to understand...for others.......SMH

Also please note.. I wont be replying any further to you since it appears the huge difference in our moral values is too vast for us to ever agree on this matter and perhaps any other matter...wish you well in your moral and ethical growth ...

[thunder24]

Now, I see we're drifting away from the Muslim immigration issue. We must, then, be done with it. And so you must see, that all the protestiing going on about the Muslim ban protesting going on in various airports are being done by people that don't understand that its basically a systemic vetting issue regarding "Radical Islamic" terrorists that may be infiltrating into the masses of people wanting to exit the M.E & come to America, and elsewhere.



https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-immigration-ban-conflict-of-interest/
His proposed list doesn’t include Muslim-majority countries where his Trump Organization has done business or pursued potential deals. Properties include golf courses in the United Arab Emirates and two luxury towers operating in Turkey. bulls.h.i.t. if he thinks these people are bad then he needs to disclose who he thinks made nine 11 happen....

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/306990-trump-appeared-to-register-eight-companies-in-saudi-arabia


President-elect Donald Trump registered eight companies during his presidential campaign that appear to be tied to hotel interests in Saudi Arabia, according to a report in The Washington Post.

Trump registered the companies in August 2015, shortly after launching his presidential bid, according to The Post.


The companies were registered under names such as THC Jeddah Hotel and DT Jeddah Technical Services, according to financial disclosure filings.
The names of the companies registered appeared similar in pattern to how Trump named other companies connected to hotel deals registered in foreign cities, according to the Post. Trump names companies after cities in the state in which he is dealing with. Jiddah, also spelled Jeddah, is the second-largest city in Saudi Arabia, located on the Red Sea coast about 60 miles west of Mecca.

so Wahhabi Sunnis are not radical....OK...i must admit i have never been there or met a Wahhabi that i am aware of, so my opinion is going off of the internet and books from years ago...

[Chester]

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.

Wow...see this video ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/dec/08/donald-trump-calls-for-complete-ban-on-muslims-entering-the-us-video i believe that is trump speaking in that video..my eyes and ears still work ...what does he say in it? ball in your court .... WOW!! pathetic really...

were supposed to pretend that he never said that...double wow!!

There are words and then there are actions. I form my opinions about a person based on historical data. Trump "shoots from the hip" and sometimes "puts his foot in his mouth." I have gotten over that. Why? Because actions speak far louder than words. And in his case, 1000 times louder.

Example (honesty too... how refreshing) - Trump says he's "for torture" but what Trump does is he empowers his professionals to make those calls. I also recall that call for a (paraphrased) "ban on all new Muslims" immigrating to the US. Yet what appears to me to be what Trump (and team) are actually trying to do is to get a hold of the entire system as to who gets allowed into the US, what is the vetting process, what type of status will be provided (anywhere from a visitor visa to a work visa to an education visa to a residency visa), how will folks be tracked in case of overstays and what can be done with the worst criminal illegal aliens and how.

And in this process Trump still talks. He says things I now know he won't follow through on because I have recognized the pattern - talk tough then act in a more reasoned way.

I also recall he said he would deport all illegal aliens. But I know that will not happen because I have observed the pattern I described above. My bet is that when the border is far more secure, when local governments start to work with the Feds (or lose funding which will effect their police force which will lead to higher crime rates in those local communities which will eventually lead to those still living their either descending into self destruction (like a few neighborhoods in Chicago for example) or... decide to get on board with cooperation), when a serious and successful vetting process is implemented (a process which weeds out those with criminal intent, those who have no documentation to even do vetting) AND there is the follow through in building and supplying reasonable safe zones in the very countries where sadly there are many refugee status folks without the ability to be vetted because their country has been ravaged and there's little or no documentation... when all that is in place, my bet is that there will be another Reagan style amnesty opportunity and Trump will work to achieve that.

So again, words (especially out of the mouths of folks who take on the political world) are words. Trump has proven over and over his reactive words are often just words.

Again, actions speak louder.

Yet what speaks most loudly of all is... results from those actions.

It is my opinion that the 'unhingement syndrome' is so severe all and only because enough of the unhinged know deep in their heart, the results will be "Winning... so much winning they will be so sick of all the winning, so much winning they will beg him to stop"... and that one by one... folks with a brain cell or two left to actually critically think, folks that have just enough control over their own ego that perhaps they called it wrong... just enough folks will experience a better life and even if they maintain a false public position (ala HRC stated she does), they will be pulling the lever for conservatives in 2018 and be pulling the lever for Trump in 2020.

We shall see.

[Chester]

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.


Also I quote you here "I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine."

I will remind you of what I stated so as not to get confused with alternative facts. ... "I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications."

It appears to me that you assumed I made that statement because of his position on illegals? Wrong!!

I have firsthand knowledge of his behavior that includes racist comments.

I was born and grew up in South Jersey, New Jersey..30 minutes from Atlantic City (AC).

As you may be aware Trump ran and built casinos in AC.

My father started a custom kitchen and bath business which I grew up working in. The business is still active and flourishing see here:

http://www.millerfabricators.com/gallery.php

Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

If this is true (that your father shared this story in this way with you), and I want to believe you (because I strive to be truthful and I operate assuming others are until they prove they sometimes aren't) and I see no reason for you to lie, than that is an example of despicable behavior. If this is true and the way you wrote it gives me the feeling there may be truth to what you experienced in hearing this story from your father, then I can understand your sentiment completely. Only you know if your father's story should be trusted but I would have belived my father if he had shared such a story as my Dad was honest with me.

If this is true, when did this happen? I would imagine this very well may have happened in the 80s or at the latest, the 90s. If I have this right, is it at all possible that Trump might have grown, changed, done so from his heart? That's what I hope. That's also what I have heard from some of my own contacts.

Again... let's see the actions and then see the results.

[Chester]

Can somebody help my explain why Pres. Trump would withdraw funding for abortion? Most of the things he has followed through with so far, I agree with. I'm just confused about this particular subject. Many of my friends say it is bad and women have the right to free assistance regarding abortion, but I'm not very educated on the topic.

Hi, 7alon. I may read your post wrong, but it seems you are suggesting Trump stopped all federal funding for all abortions.

The actual action did the following -


President Trump on Monday reignited the war over abortion by signing an executive order blocking foreign aid or federal funding for international nongovernmental organizations that provide or "promote" abortions.

The so-called Mexico City policy, established by Republican President Ronald Reagan in 1984, blocks federal funding for international family planning charities that provide abortions or actively promote the procedure.

Referred to by critics as the "global gag rule," the policy has been subjected to a game of political football over the years, with Democratic presidents rescinding the policy upon taking office, as President Obama did in 2009, and Republican presidents reinstating it.


SOURCE (http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/abortion/315652-trump-signs-executive-order-reinstating-global-gag-rule-on)

If you are able to read the article and observe the quote from Nancy Pelosi, her words presume that the United States is inherently required to fund foreign abortions.

Now, If you thought that he had stopped funding abortion across the board, this is an example how someone along the way may have been subjected to the cabal controlled media spin machine. But it is also possible that someone you spoke with (or someone they spoke with) engaged in "creative interpretation" of real news.

I fall victim to both all too often. I strive never to "creatively interpret," the latter.

[TargeT]

Hmm I have looked into it since I posted, and I can see both the for and against point of views. I feel stuck in the middle regarding my opinion on this.

Just keep this in mind:

If you want something done poorly and wastefully, have the government do it...

That always helps me decide ;)






No I don't see it that way. I call it for what it is when someone shows intolerance towards a Group based on religious or racial prejudice I Call It Bigotry...for some its not so hard to understand...for others.......SMH

what if it's based on basically all terrorists acts being done by Islamic's, doesn't that seem reasonable?


Also please note.. I wont be replying any further to you since it appears the huge difference in our moral values is too vast for us to ever agree on this matter and perhaps any other matter...wish you well in your moral and ethical growth ...

avoiding discussion is rarely useful.



But it is also possible that someone you spoke with (or someone they spoke with) engaged in "creative interpretation" of real news.

I fall victim to both all too often. I strive never to "creatively interpret," the latter.

I get to hear a LOT of "creatively interpreted" news, everyone on this island claims to be a Democrat and the trump hate is STRONG. I was told lastnight that trump is spending 500 billion to repeal "obama care", blamed for the Pipeline, and something about pharmaceuticals.

Basically, when someone strongly dis-likes someone, that's it, it's a black and white issue from then on, with the person and everything they do being shaded by this black/white expectation.

Self reflection and mental effort is the cure to this.

More here:
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[abmqa]

abmqa
I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine. Trump has not stated that "All Muslims" should be banned from entering the US. He has stated that that the immigration process of Muslims should be halted until there is a proper vetting process put in place. Both CIA and FBI directors have stated in Congressional Hearings that proper vetting cannot be done with the immigrants coming from certain Middle Eastearn countries. Specifically because the information pertaining to these individuals is not logged onto a computerized system.

Do the search & you'll find it.

Trump wants these immigrants properly vetted. Period! Wow! Is played back into your court.


Also I quote you here "I see that you have been paying too much attention to the MSM propaganda machine."

I will remind you of what I stated so as not to get confused with alternative facts. ... "I feel utter contempt for him due to his blatant religious bigotry, racism and numerous prevarications."

It appears to me that you assumed I made that statement because of his position on illegals? Wrong!!

I have firsthand knowledge of his behavior that includes racist comments.

I was born and grew up in South Jersey, New Jersey..30 minutes from Atlantic City (AC).

As you may be aware Trump ran and built casinos in AC.

My father started a custom kitchen and bath business which I grew up working in. The business is still active and flourishing see here:

http://www.millerfabricators.com/gallery.php

Anyway, when the casinos were first built in AC my father was fortunate to get some work made an impression on some of the casino owners due to the quality of his work. When trump built his casinos years later my father was a recommended contractor and he met with trump. Trump thought that my father was white or to be specific Jewish. My father allowed him to believe that. (My father is actually native american) During the meeting my father asked him why he didn't hire another contractor that was a friend of my father's (this person was a black man) and trump looked at him and said, "would you give 150k to a *N**g**r?" Needless to say my father did not do business with him. He had another friend who did work for trump and got cheated out of over 180k ..his business could not recover and went bankrupt...

That is part of the reason for my contempt for the man. My reason for calling him a racist...am i wrong to feel this way??

If this is true (that your father shared this story in this way with you), and I want to believe you (because I strive to be truthful and I operate assuming others are until they prove they sometimes aren't) and I see no reason for you to lie, than that is an example of despicable behavior. If this is true and the way you wrote it gives me the feeling there may be truth to what you experienced in hearing this story from your father, then I can understand your sentiment completely. Only you know if your father's story should be trusted but I would have belived my father if he had shared such a story as my Dad was honest with me.

If this is true, when did this happen? I would imagine this very well may have happened in the 80s or at the latest, the 90s. If I have this right, is it at all possible that Trump might have grown, changed, done so from his heart? That's what I hope. That's also what I have heard from some of my own contacts.

Again... let's see the actions and then see the results.

Hi Sam, I really appreciate your response. Yes the meeting did occur in the 80s. I do trust my father and his account, I recall how disappointed he was because he really needed the work. Of course he needed the work, he was running a business that approx 10 - 17 families were relying on for income. In actuality he was wise to not take the contract as a friend of his went out of business (ceramic tile business) as trump failed to pay him properly.

Let's hope for the sake of our country if not the world that he has changed, however his actions thus far are extremely disappointing.

Best regards

[sheme]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmerXO00sGE time for change.

[abmqa]

Hmm I have looked into it since I posted, and I can see both the for and against point of views. I feel stuck in the middle regarding my opinion on this.

Just keep this in mind,




No I don't see it that way. I call it for what it is when someone shows intolerance towards a Group based on religious or racial prejudice I Call It Bigotry...for some its not so hard to understand...for others.......SMH

what if it's based on basically all terrorists acts being done by Islamic's, doesn't that seem reasonable?

As of 2010, Christianity was by far the world's largest religion, with an estimated 2.2 billion adherents, nearly a third (31 percent) of all 6.9 billion people on Earth," the Pew report says. "Islam was second, with 1.6 billion adherents, or 23 percent of the global population."Apr 2, 2015

If all 1.6 billion Islamic's or 23% of the world's population are committing terrorists acts, then it would seem prudent to do such a thing...however...we all know that a huge majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims are moral, peaceful, I suppose, God fearing people, striving to live life peacefully and justly.



Also please note.. I wont be replying any further to you since it appears the huge difference in our moral values is too vast for us to ever agree on this matter and perhaps any other matter...wish you well in your moral and ethical growth ...

avoiding discussion is rarely useful.

I have not and did not avoid discussion. I made my point, I listened to the replies and when I saw the discussion heading to the point where more discussion would be pointless, I stopped, due to the vast differences in our moral and ethical values.

Basically, when someone strongly dis-likes someone, that's it, it's a black and white issue from then on, with the person and everything they do being shaded by this black/white expectation.

Self reflection and mental effort is the cure to this.

I agree with you about this point. I do not like trump, because of his actions, and his lack of integrity, his racism, his bigotry, and his narcissism (which he may be mentally ill). I will continue to dislike him until he ends his racism, ends his bigotry,
and begins to show some signs of integrity. I cannot blame him for being mentally ill, however he should seek out a good mental
health provider...

[TargeT]

If all 1.6 billion Islamic's or 23% of the world's population are committing terrorists acts, then it would seem prudent to do such a thing...however...we all know that a huge majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims are moral, peaceful, I suppose, God fearing people, striving to live life peacefully and justly.


Your absolutely right, I'm ok with banning all Muslim immigration temporarily, but if he wants to actually be targeted then profiling needs to take place: young single male Muslims are really what needs to be scrutinized... but the PC culture see's profiling as even worse?

I'm not willing to toss commonsense in the trash because of "feels". When I see a pattern, I act accordingly to what it shows me, on this topic its this: young, single Islamic males are committing a disproportionately high amount of crime and nearly all modern "terrorist acts" when immigrating.

Obviously I'm not the only one to see this pattern, it should be acted on.

[abmqa]

If all 1.6 billion Islamic's or 23% of the world's population are committing terrorists acts, then it would seem prudent to do such a thing...however...we all know that a huge majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims are moral, peaceful, I suppose, God fearing people, striving to live life peacefully and justly.



Your absolutely right, I'm ok with all muslims, but if he wants to actually be targeted then profiling needs to take place: young single male Muslims are really what needs to be scrutinized... but the PC culture see's profiling as even worse?

I'm not willing to toss commonsense in the trash because of "feels". When I see a pattern, I act accordingly to what it shows me, on this topic its this: young, single Islamic males are committing a disproportionately high amount of crime when immigrating.

Obviously I'm not the only one to see this pattern, it should be acted on.

I agree vetting is perfectly ok and is absolutely needed....but a blanket bans results in the following news headlines...we are much better than this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167900/Sir-Mo-Farah-faces-BANNED-returning-America.html

[TargeT]

but a blanket bans results in the following news headlines...we are much better than this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167900/Sir-Mo-Farah-faces-BANNED-returning-America.html

Sounds like more idiotic "journalists" to me.... nothing wrong with what trump said.

He said people coming FROM (citizens of) 7 countries.. not people originally FROM those 7 countries.. I can't believe a journalist that works in "print" doesn't have a solid grasp of grammar, so obviously this is purposefully divisive crap meant to do exactly what it did when you read it: evoke negative emotion.

The "victim" even states this himself....


I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six yearsWell then he's clearly not affected by this ban... Seriously, how dumb is this article?? (though "dailymail" never disappoints with its regressive agenda) This would be rule #12 (with a bit of #11 mixed in and a subtle nod to #1 & #2 & #5) ;)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg


I for one detest being manipulated, especially emotionally.

[KiwiElf]

Time for some light humour...

For some peculiar reason, our (NZ) blatantly anti-Trump fakestream "NEWS" media felt it necessary to play the unhinged rantings from Ashley Judd the other night ... pity they hadn't played THIS version: ;)

Captain Kirk Meets Ashley Judd…You Will Bust a Gut in Laughter!
Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:25

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As Hollywood leftists continue to go FULL RETARD and the mentally enslaved morons try to normalize abnormal behavior…they are providing LOADS of HILARIOUS content.

Enjoy :)

[abmqa]

but a blanket bans results in the following news headlines...we are much better than this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167900/Sir-Mo-Farah-faces-BANNED-returning-America.html

Sounds like more idiotic "journalists" to me.... nothing wrong with what trump said.

He said people coming FROM (citizens of) 7 countries.. not people originally FROM those 7 countries.. I can't believe a journalist that works in "print" doesn't have a solid grasp of grammar, so obviously this is purposefully divisive crap meant to do exactly what it did when you read it: evoke negative emotion.

The "victim" even states this himself....


I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six yearsWell then he's clearly not affected by this ban... Seriously, how dumb is this article?? (though "dailymail" never disappoints with its regressive agenda) This would be rule #12 (with a bit of #11 mixed in and a subtle nod to #1 & #2 & #5) ;)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg


I for one detest being manipulated, especially emotionally.

Ok I did not take you for a fox news fan but here ya go...how about these headlines then?

http://kdvr.com/2017/01/28/president-trumps-immigration-ban-stuns-world/

I am concerned about the world's diminishing view of our country.. Perception is reality. I feel that is where the most critical damage is currently being done to our country via trump's childish behavior....bigoted policies born of fear and I suppose hatred of and entire Group of people..more than one entire Group of people, This trump quote comes to mind

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

I believe in people, in the goodness in people. Kind and caring people the world over populate the majority of this earth.

I know that there are very bad and evil people in the world, however, not one entire Group or Groups of people are and perpetrate evil as the by product of their being. To believe otherwise, for me is the basis for bigotry...

[Chester]

This thread has a very clear theme. Out of respect to this theme (considering I may also have sometimes wavered from the theme), I will post more on two items in a new thread to be created under the topic Politics.

Trump's character

Trump's Executive Order related to the the temporary suspension of entry allowance based on country of origin and citizenship as well as the 120 day suspension for refugees.

Apologies to turiya if I have derailed in any way this excellent thread.

[TargeT]

Ok I did not take you for a fox news fan but here ya go...how about these headlines then?

http://kdvr.com/2017/01/28/president-trumps-immigration-ban-stuns-world/

I don't consume media from neocons nor regressives at any regular interval; I quit watching TV after my deployment in 2005 showed me how much we are lied to.



I know that there are very bad and evil people in the world, however, not one entire Group or Groups of people are and perpetrate evil as the by product of their being. To believe otherwise, for me is the basis for bigotry...

yeah, but that's not what is happening here, it's a temporary ban to deal with a very real and very current threat. To do anything else would be a mistake, I don't see how this is an issue at all; have you SEEN what's going on in Europe?


This happened recently.... Western and Middle-East cultures do NOT mix. I've been to the middle east several times, if you haven't it's very hard to understand their cultures coming from a western point of view.
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I could flood this post with crap from the EU that the "refugees" have caused (strangely a disproportionate number of them are young single males...)


Have you ever seen Sharia law in place?

I have.

I saw a women get beat in the street for not staying close enough to her man while walking, I never saw the "stoning" but they happened.


You can ride this bigotry pony all you want, but the cultural clash is the issue here and you aren't seeing the true issue in my mind.




There's a bigger picture here, the "migrant crisis" was a purposefully done act to help destabilize the "western world" and prepare the "globe" for the power shift from "west" to "east" that we are now going through.

Trumps move effectively hamstrings that (one very small part of it).

[turiya]

A Late Add to my post from yesterday... This one is CIA's John Brennan giving his assessment of the ISIL situation... "infiltrating into refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel..."



[At 4:00] CIA's John Brennan:

"Since at least 2014, ISIL has been working to build an aparatus to direct & inspire its attacks against its foreign enemies resulting in hundreds of casualties. The most prominent attacks are the ones in Paris & Brussels, which we assess were directed by ISIL's leadership. We judge that ISIL is training & attempting to deploy operatives for further attacks. ISIL has a large cadre of Western fighters who could potentially serve as operatives for attacks in the West. And the group is probably exploring a varitey of means of Infilrating operatives into the West, including in refugee flows, smuggling routes, and legitimate methods of travel."

Sound like fake passports to me...


Intelligence Committee: CIA Director
Brennan's opening remarks
(Published on Jun 16, 2016)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_z-USgleH8?t=3m30s

And as we should come to realize, it is the CIA's Deep State / Neocons / Military Industrial / National Security Agency Complex that is really behind this Muslim terrorisism, wars in the Middle East, weapons business... Hopefully Trump is on his way of realizing this... His recent battles with Clapper, Brennan, and other Ex-CIA operatives is possibly a sign that he's gotten a clue about this... time will tell.


__________________________________

Good ol' Brother Nate has some words to say along this line...


Trump Takes A Dip In The Jewish Swamp
(Published on Jan 25, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZHD5IRFuQQ

[Helene West]

but a blanket bans results in the following news headlines...we are much better than this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167900/Sir-Mo-Farah-faces-BANNED-returning-America.html

Sounds like more idiotic "journalists" to me.... nothing wrong with what trump said.

He said people coming FROM (citizens of) 7 countries.. not people originally FROM those 7 countries.. I can't believe a journalist that works in "print" doesn't have a solid grasp of grammar, so obviously this is purposefully divisive crap meant to do exactly what it did when you read it: evoke negative emotion.

The "victim" even states this himself....


I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six yearsWell then he's clearly not affected by this ban... Seriously, how dumb is this article?? (though "dailymail" never disappoints with its regressive agenda) This would be rule #12 (with a bit of #11 mixed in and a subtle nod to #1 & #2 & #5) ;)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg


I for one detest being manipulated, especially emotionally.

Ok I did not take you for a fox news fan but here ya go...how about these headlines then?

http://kdvr.com/2017/01/28/president-trumps-immigration-ban-stuns-world/

I am concerned about the world's diminishing view of our country.. Perception is reality. I feel that is where the most critical damage is currently being done to our country via trump's childish behavior....bigoted policies born of fear and I suppose hatred of and entire Group of people..more than one entire Group of people, This trump quote comes to mind

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

I believe in people, in the goodness in people. Kind and caring people the world over populate the majority of this earth.

I know that there are very bad and evil people in the world, however, not one entire Group or Groups of people are and perpetrate evil as the by product of their being. To believe otherwise, for me is the basis for bigotry...


What good people have never grasped through the ages is that you sometimes have to be bas*ards to survive. Bad people, those obsessed with control, understand this completely.

Aggressive, politicized elements are well aware that the majority of humans throughout time are largely passive and will take whatever is on the menu. On the other hand good people project their goodwill onto others and give far too much leeway to those that don't care at best and want to destroy them at worst.
That is why good people get overrun, taken advantage of and enslaved, etc. That is what is now happening in this country, the same as is happening to Europe. Not everything is political, it is also about understanding human nature.

All this new strong arm stuff should have been done 3 decades ago when the presstitues started blaring from every media orifice "diversity, diversity, diversity" nonstop... (Note I'm not talking diversity as created by a Higher Power but the politicized artificial phenomena we are dealing with today). Three decades ago is when it should have been dealt with for the dangerous sham that it is, it wasn't and the Inevitable happened. Now, the ruling class has so succeeded in dividing and deteriorating our country that it is not much of a country anymore but just a geographic land mass of groups of various people. That is not really a country according to Webster's definition.

Between our brainwashed youth who have had their survival instincts robbed from them through propaganda, the hatred of whites that this government has engendered particularly in blacks and the hatred of jews, christians and anything western in the muslim consciousness, this country has a small window of opportunity left to stay intact.

If the corporate, international ruling class, Disguised and invisible to most behind their Left agents and screaming herds, succeed in their sabotage of the country, we will continue to have huge Diversity Galore!! don't worry about that - you will have your blessed diversity - diversified slaves - diversified digitized slaves.

As researchers of the ruling classes have variously found the ruling class wants One racial, international identity, - standardized entities as controllable, locatable and identifiable as a brand of product in an inventory. It may seem difficult to realize in the midst of chaos but all this chaos is a prelude to the opposite - standardization and control of the useless masses. (and by the way, the white ruling class considers ordinary whites part of the useless eaters along with other races so all the talk of privilege aimed at ordinary whites is just another technique.)

How ironic, diversity as fashioned by our rulers really means racial standardization, cultural sameness, limitation of thought, expression, mobility, monetary control - servitude under a corporate, international aristocracy. The ruling class does not hob nob or marry outside their class - diversity is for the peasantry, LOL... the irony of it all....

[turiya]

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Jan 29, 2017 11:21 AM


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[abmqa]

but a blanket bans results in the following news headlines...we are much better than this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167900/Sir-Mo-Farah-faces-BANNED-returning-America.html

Sounds like more idiotic "journalists" to me.... nothing wrong with what trump said.

He said people coming FROM (citizens of) 7 countries.. not people originally FROM those 7 countries.. I can't believe a journalist that works in "print" doesn't have a solid grasp of grammar, so obviously this is purposefully divisive crap meant to do exactly what it did when you read it: evoke negative emotion.

The "victim" even states this himself....


I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six yearsWell then he's clearly not affected by this ban... Seriously, how dumb is this article?? (though "dailymail" never disappoints with its regressive agenda) This would be rule #12 (with a bit of #11 mixed in and a subtle nod to #1 & #2 & #5) ;)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg


I for one detest being manipulated, especially emotionally.

Ok I did not take you for a fox news fan but here ya go...how about these headlines then?

http://kdvr.com/2017/01/28/president-trumps-immigration-ban-stuns-world/

I am concerned about the world's diminishing view of our country.. Perception is reality. I feel that is where the most critical damage is currently being done to our country via trump's childish behavior....bigoted policies born of fear and I suppose hatred of and entire Group of people..more than one entire Group of people, This trump quote comes to mind

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

I believe in people, in the goodness in people. Kind and caring people the world over populate the majority of this earth.

I know that there are very bad and evil people in the world, however, not one entire Group or Groups of people are and perpetrate evil as the by product of their being. To believe otherwise, for me is the basis for bigotry...


What good people have never grasped through the ages is that you sometimes have to be bas*ards to survive. Bad people, those obsessed with control, understand this completely.

Aggressive, politicized elements are well aware that the majority of humans throughout time are largely passive and will take whatever is on the menu. On the other hand good people project their goodwill onto others and give far too much leeway to those that don't care at best and want to destroy them at worst.
That is why good people get overrun, taken advantage of and enslaved, etc. That is what is now happening in this country, the same as is happening to Europe. Not everything is political, it is also about understanding human nature.

All this new strong arm stuff should have been done 3 decades ago when the presstitues started blaring from every media orifice "diversity, diversity, diversity" nonstop... (Note I'm not talking diversity as created by a Higher Power but the politicized artificial phenomena we are dealing with today). Three decades ago is when it should have been dealt with for the dangerous sham that it is, it wasn't and the Inevitable happened. Now, the ruling class has so succeeded in dividing and deteriorating our country that it is not much of a country anymore but just a geographic land mass of groups of various people. That is not really a country according to Webster's definition.

Between our brainwashed youth who have had their survival instincts robbed from them through propaganda, the hatred of whites that this government has engendered particularly in blacks and the hatred of jews, christians and anything western in the muslim consciousness, this country has a small window of opportunity left to stay intact.

If the corporate, international ruling class, Disguised and invisible to most behind their Left agents and screaming herds, succeed in their sabotage of the country, we will continue to have huge Diversity Galore!! don't worry about that - you will have your blessed diversity - diversified slaves - diversified digitized slaves.

As researchers of the ruling classes have variously found the ruling class wants One racial, international identity, - standardized entities as controllable, locatable and identifiable as a brand of product in an inventory. It may seem difficult to realize in the midst of chaos but all this chaos is a prelude to the opposite - standardization and control of the useless masses. (and by the way, the white ruling class considers ordinary whites part of the useless eaters along with other races so all the talk of privilege aimed at ordinary whites is just another technique.)

How ironic, diversity as fashioned by our rulers really means racial standardization, cultural sameness, limitation of thought, expression, mobility, monetary control - servitude under a corporate, international aristocracy. The ruling class does not hob nob or marry outside their class - diversity is for the peasantry, LOL... the irony of it all....

What good people have never grasped through the ages is that you sometimes have to be bas*ards to survive. Bad people, those obsessed with control, understand this completely.

I totally agree with you on this point. So would Nelson Mandela if he were alive. What an inspirational leader!!! (one of my personal hero's ) please see this extract from history.com....

"In 1961, Nelson Mandela co-founded and became the first leader of Umkhonto we Sizwe (“Spear of the Nation”), also known as MK, a new armed wing of the ANC. Several years later, during the trial that would put him behind bars for nearly three decades, he described the reasoning for this radical departure from his party’s original tenets: “[I]t would be wrong and unrealistic for African leaders to continue preaching peace and nonviolence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle.”

After attaining his freedom, Nelson Mandela led the ANC in its negotiations with the governing National Party and various other South African political organizations for an end to apartheid and the establishment of a multiracial government. Though fraught with tension and conducted against a backdrop of political instability, the talks earned Mandela and de Klerk the Nobel Peace Prize in December 1993. On April 26, 1994, more than 22 million South Africans turned out to cast ballots in the country’s first multiracial parliamentary elections in history. An overwhelming majority chose the ANC to lead the country, and on May 10 Mandela was sworn in as the first black president of South Africa, with de Klerk serving as his first deputy.

As president, Mandela established the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to investigate human rights and political violations committed by both supporters and opponents of apartheid between 1960 and 1994. He also introduced numerous social and economic programs designed to improve the living standards of South Africa’s black population. In 1996 Mandela presided over the enactment of a new South African constitution, which established a strong central government based on majority rule and prohibited discrimination against minorities, including whites.


Fortunately the current political climate is nowhere that of South Africa in the 90's ...but we are certainly slipping....

[abmqa]

but a blanket bans results in the following news headlines...we are much better than this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167900/Sir-Mo-Farah-faces-BANNED-returning-America.html

Sounds like more idiotic "journalists" to me.... nothing wrong with what trump said.

He said people coming FROM (citizens of) 7 countries.. not people originally FROM those 7 countries.. I can't believe a journalist that works in "print" doesn't have a solid grasp of grammar, so obviously this is purposefully divisive crap meant to do exactly what it did when you read it: evoke negative emotion.

The "victim" even states this himself....


I am a British citizen who has lived in America for the past six yearsWell then he's clearly not affected by this ban... Seriously, how dumb is this article?? (though "dailymail" never disappoints with its regressive agenda) This would be rule #12 (with a bit of #11 mixed in and a subtle nod to #1 & #2 & #5) ;)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0jkga8XgAAk2n2.jpg


I for one detest being manipulated, especially emotionally.

A Veteran Today fan? maybe??? nah.... Hope your emotions can handle this one....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/28/case-for-impeachment-the-muslim-ban-fiasco/

[Chester]

Hi Sam, I really appreciate your response. Yes the meeting did occur in the 80s. I do trust my father and his account, I recall how disappointed he was because he really needed the work. Of course he needed the work, he was running a business that approx 10 - 17 families were relying on for income. In actuality he was wise to not take the contract as a friend of his went out of business (ceramic tile business) as trump failed to pay him properly.

Let's hope for the sake of our country if not the world that he has changed, however his actions thus far are extremely disappointing.

Best regards

Along these same lines, I have a story too, though it is not direct from my father, a man I would trust completely when he was with us. This story comes from one of the four or five folks I have been privileged to know (we met originally through business though I had already become friends with his wife via our shared interest in esoterics). We've been friends for over 20 years now in addition to doing business together. True, personal friends. Trusted business associates. I have also found everything he has ever shared with me regarding his own personal experience, when somehow the story later came forth through other sources which verified his own story and view.

This man is involved in company and trust management. He is not located in the United States.

OK, he shared with me his opinion of DJT based on his accumulation of several first hand accounts relayed to him by some of his clients and/or folks he encountered while performing his profession. The stories demonstrate a pattern. A pattern of doing business that folks like my friend (nor I) wish to encounter. That form of business is when an individual enters into a contract where despite the rapport one might feel one has with the counterpart in the contract, what one experiences after the project begins is that the counterpart enforces the contract in the strictest sense and may utilize the law (and his power in achieving legal results in his favor) in a very aggressive manner.

Sadly though, the world is filled with "businessmen" who operate in this fashion. The classic line, "Its not personal, its business" comes to mind. Of course that same phrase is used in both worlds, "above the table" and below.

My concern with DJT is that in his critically important role as the President of the United States, is that he might behave along these same lines when acting as President.

And this is why an honest press is so freaking critical. I am terribly sad we don't have this - not even a hint of this. Sadly (and all and only my opinion), FOX News provides far more truth than the rest of the TV MSM, but there are times I see how they spin as well.

It is a terrible shame we do not have an honest press. Bannon is right and I am glad he stated the truth.

[turiya]

Speaking of Fox News, here's Tucker Carlson with Kevin Appleby - a migration advocate...


Tucker Carlson w/ Kevin Appleby
Migration Advocate: Extreme Vetting
(1/27/17)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seaPZcP5gBA

[Chester]

A Veteran Today fan? maybe??? nah.... Hope your emotions can handle this one....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/28/case-for-impeachment-the-muslim-ban-fiasco/

Sadly, Duff and his e-zine, Veterans Today, has proven multiple times to be disinfo. Regarding the specific subject (and arguments set forth) in this specific piece, elements of this EO will play out in court. Note, also, adjustments can be made, and if the post of turiya's above related to Green Cards is true news, then we already have an example of this.

No shot this ever generates into impeachment.

We all also should beware of selective reading... something I have had to adjust within myself.

[TargeT]

What good people have never grasped through the ages is that you sometimes have to be bas*ards to survive. Bad people, those obsessed with control, understand this completely.

I totally agree with you on this point. So would Nelson Mandela if he were alive. What an inspirational leader!!! (one of my personal hero's ) please see this extract from history.com....


Remember that thing I said about the media and lies?

I think Mr Mandela is an EXCELLENT example....

MtV5099DpmU

Here he is being a hero:
fcOXqFQw2hc

He was a literal terrorist for 2 years, the MK's participated in public bombings & Mr Mandela was the guy calling the shots at the time (OK city bombing, Boston bombing, stuff like that). He refused to tell the MK to stop bombing people (as a way to get out of prison early). He was put on trial for 156 public violent acts (included bombings). But he was a Communist supporter & so the left hails him as hero...

http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/a0442e/a0442e0i.gif
Under Mandela the average income of ALL races in S Africa droped 40% from 1995 and 2000.... 40%!!!!!


South Africa is now the rape and murder capital of world (Thanks mandela!).

When the scourge of apartheid was finally smashed to pieces in 1994, the country seemed to have a bright future ahead of it. Eight years later, in 2002, 60 percent of South Africans said life had been better under apartheid. Hard to believe–but that’s how bad things were in 2002. And now they’re even worse. When apartheid ended, the life expectancy in South Africa was 64–the same as in Turkey and Russia. Now it’s 56, the same as in Somalia. There are 132.4 rapes per 100,000 people per year, which is by far the highest in the world: Botswana is in second with 93, Sweden is in third with 64; no other country exceeds 32.
http://www.richardfminiterblog.com/bad-bad-apartheid-south-africa-misses-you-dreadfully/

Many south Africans now MISS apartheid and colonialism...
http://crime-of-apartheid.blogspot.com/2011/01/cape-coloureds-elderly-blacks-miss.html
https://matsinhe.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/i-miss-apartheid-she-said/
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/03/south-africa-is-a-lost-cause/
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Million-whites-leave-SA-study-20060924


Nelson Mandela is an excellent example of how the media can spin a topic to their own agenda (communism/socialism is good!) when the exact opposite is true... one of the better examples out there.




A Veteran Today fan? maybe??? nah.... Hope your emotions can handle this one....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/28/case-for-impeachment-the-muslim-ban-fiasco/

These are not hte first executive orders, every president abuses this system, I don't even really get the point of this article; it doesn't make a lot of sense with the current reality we live in (Executive orders are not challenged,they should be)


Veterans Today is the furthest left leaning thing you'll find with the word "veteran" in it, they skew and twist "facts" with the best of them.

[abmqa]

What good people have never grasped through the ages is that you sometimes have to be bas*ards to survive. Bad people, those obsessed with control, understand this completely.

I totally agree with you on this point. So would Nelson Mandela if he were alive. What an inspirational leader!!! (one of my personal hero's ) please see this extract from history.com....


Remember that thing I said about the media and lies?

I think Mr Mandela is an EXCELLENT example....

MtV5099DpmU

Here he is being a hero:
fcOXqFQw2hc

He was a literal terrorist for 2 years, the MK's participated in public bombings & Mr Mandela was the guy calling the shots at the time (OK city bombing, Boston bombing, stuff like that). He refused to tell the MK to stop bombing people (as a way to get out of prison early). He was put on trial for 156 public violent acts (included bombings). But he was a Communist supporter & so the left hails him as hero...

Under Mandela the average income of ALL races in S Africa droped 40% from 1995 and 2000.... 40%!!!!!

South Africa is now the rape and murder capital of world (Thanks mandela!).

When the scourge of apartheid was finally smashed to pieces in 1994, the country seemed to have a bright future ahead of it. Eight years later, in 2002, 60 percent of South Africans said life had been better under apartheid. Hard to believe–but that’s how bad things were in 2002. And now they’re even worse. When apartheid ended, the life expectancy in South Africa was 64–the same as in Turkey and Russia. Now it’s 56, the same as in Somalia. There are 132.4 rapes per 100,000 people per year, which is by far the highest in the world: Botswana is in second with 93, Sweden is in third with 64; no other country exceeds 32.
http://www.richardfminiterblog.com/bad-bad-apartheid-south-africa-misses-you-dreadfully/

Many south Africans now MISS apartheid and colonialism...
http://crime-of-apartheid.blogspot.com/2011/01/cape-coloureds-elderly-blacks-miss.html
https://matsinhe.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/i-miss-apartheid-she-said/
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/03/south-africa-is-a-lost-cause/
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Million-whites-leave-SA-study-20060924






A Veteran Today fan? maybe??? nah.... Hope your emotions can handle this one....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/28/case-for-impeachment-the-muslim-ban-fiasco/

These are not hte first executive orders, every president abuses this system, I don't even really get the point of this article; it doesn't make a lot of sense with the current reality we live in (Executive orders are not challenged,they should be)


Veterans Today is the furthest left leaning thing you'll find with the word "veteran" in it, they skew and twist "facts" with the best of them.

Are there none above your reproach?? What facts are speaking we of? "Old school facts" or "Alternative Facts"

[Helene West]

The hatreds of the left elected donald trump

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Well lots of things should have happened that didn't. It doesn't mean we can't work towards making things better now. As long as we are allowed to have a voice, which with this new rulership doesn't look like something they like.

We are working to make things better now Nora. Just because you have different opinions of things and hang around different sorts of people doesn't give your opinions priority. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would and what half of this country supported by voting for him.

When we were under Obama I think we had a lot of patience with his treason considering the circumstances. He was allowing ISIS to be armed by elements of the US military or privatized military groups, which your buddy James Woolsey was profiting from with one of his oil companies illegally drilling in Syria. I don't know how worried about the environment you actually believe he is but you should know enough about the shady practices of the intelligence community to know you can't take anything somebody like that says at face value. Right?

Anyway you can at least try to have the same amount of patience now that we did under Obama. We are taking the country in a new direction and it will be better because we won't be at the whim of Islamic extremists and CIA- and Soros-backed Marxist thugs who try to overthrow legitimate governments every time they don't get their way.


Btw I don't know why you don't think you have a voice. Are you missing all the protests that are being allowed to occur? Just because no one in the Trump administration is listening to your voice doesn't mean you don't have one. Again I refer you to half of the country while Obama was in office. The shoe was on the other foot for the past 8 years and it's time for a real change.

[TargeT]

Are there none above your reproach?? What facts are speaking we of? "Old school facts" or "Alternative Facts"

best method I've found is a mix of heavily reading between the lines, learning to spot obvious manipulative language (NLP etc..) & reading a bit of everything, as they are all slanted & you can cross compare to get at least the "agreed on" facts from the two polar views... then logic, common sense & (hopefully) regional experience.

"alternative facts" is a term you picked up from the media, the leftist media, I see that as a manipulative catch phrase meant to marginalize, not further discussion.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The MSM is going to learn to hate the term "alternative facts" just like they undoubtedly regret the "fake news" label that has blown up in their faces.

The crowd size comparison from CNN is proven fake news now, comparing Obama's crowd at inauguration to Trump's crowd at 8:00 AM when people were first filing in. But the MSM is still running with that, just to show how brazen they are when it comes to peddling lies. Alex Jones thinks they are doing this on purpose as a distraction from the fact that Trump is actually doing what he said he would and is putting past presidents to shame with the pace at which he is accomplishing things.

[TargeT]

The MSM is going to learn to hate the term "alternative facts" just like they undoubtedly regret the "fake news" label that has blown up in their faces.

I do like how that "fake news" one turned around... I think the "aternative facts" one will likewise be quickly spun around... especially with the media being so, as you said, brazen.


The crowd size comparison from CNN is proven fake news now, comparing Obama's crowd at inauguration to Trump's crowd at 8:00 AM when people were first filing in. But the MSM is still running with that, just to show how brazen they are when it comes to peddling lies.

But look:


Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?


The damage is already done for a lot of people... hardly anyone "fact checks" the news.



Alex Jones thinks they are doing this on purpose as a distraction from the fact that Trump is actually doing what he said he would and is putting past presidents to shame with the pace at which he is accomplishing things.

His pace is.... impressive.

and yes... he's making the other 44 look a bit sluggish and dull witted compared to his rapid action oriented approach.

[abmqa]

The MSM is going to learn to hate the term "alternative facts" just like they undoubtedly regret the "fake news" label that has blown up in their faces.

I do like how that "fake news" one turned around... I think the "aternative facts" one will likewise be quickly spun around... especially with the media being so, as you said, brazen.


The crowd size comparison from CNN is proven fake news now, comparing Obama's crowd at inauguration to Trump's crowd at 8:00 AM when people were first filing in. But the MSM is still running with that, just to show how brazen they are when it comes to peddling lies.

But look:


Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?


The damage is already done for a lot of people... hardly anyone "fact checks" the news.



Alex Jones thinks they are doing this on purpose as a distraction from the fact that Trump is actually doing what he said he would and is putting past presidents to shame with the pace at which he is accomplishing things.

His pace is.... impressive.

and yes... he's making the other 44 look a bit sluggish and dull witted compared to his rapid action oriented approach.


More "Alternative Facts"? I guess WMATA is using them too? Hard data is fictional now I suppose? So sad as to be pathethic! But look so much damage :silent: really?

As the Trump administration sparred angrily with the media over reporting on the size of Friday's Inauguration Day crowds, D.C.’s transit authority, the WMATA, was releasing some revealing hard data on parking and transit volumes to Twitter. One update showed less demand before Friday’s inauguration than for swearing-ins going back to George W. Bush’s second term.


http://fortune.com/2017/01/22/dc-transit-statistics-inauguration/

[abmqa]

The MSM is going to learn to hate the term "alternative facts" just like they undoubtedly regret the "fake news" label that has blown up in their faces.

I do like how that "fake news" one turned around... I think the "aternative facts" one will likewise be quickly spun around... especially with the media being so, as you said, brazen.


The crowd size comparison from CNN is proven fake news now, comparing Obama's crowd at inauguration to Trump's crowd at 8:00 AM when people were first filing in. But the MSM is still running with that, just to show how brazen they are when it comes to peddling lies.

But look:


Did you see 1.5 million at his inaugural?


The damage is already done for a lot of people... hardly anyone "fact checks" the news.



Alex Jones thinks they are doing this on purpose as a distraction from the fact that Trump is actually doing what he said he would and is putting past presidents to shame with the pace at which he is accomplishing things.

His pace is.... impressive.

and yes... he's making the other 44 look a bit sluggish and dull witted compared to his rapid action oriented approach.


More "Alternative Facts"? I guess WMATA is using them too? Hard data is fictional now I suppose? So sad as to be pathethic! But look so much damage :silent: really?

As the Trump administration sparred angrily with the media over reporting on the size of Friday's Inauguration Day crowds, D.C.’s transit authority, the WMATA, was releasing some revealing hard data on parking and transit volumes to Twitter. One update showed less demand before Friday’s inauguration than for swearing-ins going back to George W. Bush’s second term.


http://fortune.com/2017/01/22/dc-transit-statistics-inauguration/

Forgot to check..is Fortune.com on your approved list?

[TargeT]

More "Alternative Facts"? I guess WMATA is using them too? Hard data is fictional now I suppose? So sad as to be pathethic! But look so much damage :silent: really?

As the Trump administration sparred angrily with the media over reporting on the size of Friday's Inauguration Day crowds, D.C.’s transit authority, the WMATA, was releasing some revealing hard data on parking and transit volumes to Twitter. One update showed less demand before Friday’s inauguration than for swearing-ins going back to George W. Bush’s second term.


http://fortune.com/2017/01/22/dc-transit-statistics-inauguration/

Why does this matter though?


Why are you so caught up on this point, where is its relevance?

One data set from WMATA does not cover all possible methods of transportation, it only covers a small amount, that's highly inconclusive.

you also seem to like pointing out sources and some "list" that I have. I don't have a list.

I don't trust any of the "BIG 6". (http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6)

Fortune = Time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(magazine)) ... so yea.. not them either. Time has been some of the worst of the "alternative fact" peddling & "fake news" stories... what makes you think this isn't just more of that?

(from what I read, it absolutely is. that one tiny data set is not conclusive enough for ANYONE who understands numbers).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

As the Trump administration sparred angrily with the media over reporting on the size of Friday's Inauguration Day crowds, D.C.’s transit authority, the WMATA, was releasing some revealing hard data on parking and transit volumes to Twitter.

This is the same metro administration that broke with past precedent and wouldn't even put Trump's face on the tickets to his inauguration. They are obviously politicized. Statistics are among the easiest things to manipulate, especially when they are the only ones holding the real data.

The picture comparison was a much more brazen lie than publishing inaccurate ticket data would be. If they'll go so far as to push that picture comparison propaganda, as easy as it is to debunk even with CNN's own gigapixel image, they're not going to have many limits on their lies. They obviously aren't seriously concerned with their reputations at this point, if they had any left to speak of.

[abmqa]

More "Alternative Facts"? I guess WMATA is using them too? Hard data is fictional now I suppose? So sad as to be pathethic! But look so much damage :silent: really?

As the Trump administration sparred angrily with the media over reporting on the size of Friday's Inauguration Day crowds, D.C.’s transit authority, the WMATA, was releasing some revealing hard data on parking and transit volumes to Twitter. One update showed less demand before Friday’s inauguration than for swearing-ins going back to George W. Bush’s second term.


http://fortune.com/2017/01/22/dc-transit-statistics-inauguration/

Why does this matter though?


Why are you so caught up on this point, where is its relevance?

One data set from WMATA does not cover all possible methods of transportation, it only covers a small amount, that's highly inconclusive.

you also seem to like pointing out sources and some "list" that I have. I don't have a list.

I don't trust any of the "BIG 6". (http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6)

Fortune = Time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_(magazine)) ... so yea.. not them either. Time has been some of the worst of the "alternative fact" peddling & "fake news" stories... what makes you think this isn't just more of that?

(from what I read, it absolutely is. that one tiny data set is not conclusive enough for ANYONE who understands numbers).

Having lived and worked in the DC Metro area for a number of years I know for a fact that the WMATA numbers are extremely informative about the numbers of people coming in and out the area. Downtown DC parking is limited, many of the metro stations do have parking that allows for easy access to the metro and thus to downtown D.C.

Many large events occur on the mall every year and since overflights of the area is strictly forbidden and due to height limits laws, the buildings in downtown DC of a significant height may be
around 3-4 the Washington monument included. WMATA have provided events attendance on the mall using metro ridership numbers for a number of years.





Why does this matter though?


Why are you so caught up on this point, where is its relevance?

Because you are, from your numerous posts denigrating anyone who uses a source of news not approved by you.

Of course, don't be silly, why would I mention it otherwise??

I bid you well with your search for the real alternative truth..

I'm out...

[turiya]

"Everyone on the Left is going mental..."

abmqa
So, if you like what Stefan Molyneux's video regarding Nelson Mandela said, then maybe... just maybe... you'd be interested in the following video -- but then again, probably not, because he doesn't play into your narrative regarding Trump.


What Pisses Me Off About
President Trump's "Muslim Ban"
(Published on Jan 29, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OVnqerWUHg_____________________________

Did President Trump Just Save Western Civilization?
(Published on Jan 30, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0bIEMsHwM_____________________________


Kellyanne Explains briefly what the
deal is with Saudi Arabia...


Kellyanne Conway Defends
Trump's Muslim Refugee Ban
(Published on Jan 29, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv36EVNBFFE

[Cidersomerset]

Breitbart's view of the media world

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Published on 29 Jan 2017
Joel Pollak, a Breitbart senior editor at large and co-author
of the new book "How Trump Won," talks with Brian Stelter.

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Trump Defends Refugee, Immigration Policy

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Published on 29 Jan 2017
The 45th president is moving forward with implementing some
of his campaign promises through executive orders.

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President Trump's 'extreme vetting' efforts face backlash

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Published on 29 Jan 2017
'Fox News Sunday' panel reacts


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posted in above #
Fox News Sunday Interview with Kellyanne conway | January 29th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAgagWDKUv8
Published on 29 Jan 2017
Fox News Sunday Chris Wallace interviews Kellyanne conway January 29th 2017

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Border patrol agent reacts to wall executive order

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Published on 28 Jan 2017


National Border Patrol Council Local 2455 president Hector Garza shares his thoughts

[turiya]

The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/)

http://www.drr.mdfsa.lk/images/WebSlides/DRR-Web-Slide-A6.jpg

Be Careful What
You Wish For
(especially if it is Hitler) (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/29/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-especially-if-it-is-hitler/#more-141973)
Posted on January 29, 2017
Guest Post by Scott Adams
As a trained persuader, I’m seeing a dangerous situation forming that I assume is invisible to most of you. The setup is that during the presidential campaign Trump’s critics accused him of being Hitler(ish) and they were sure other citizens would see it too, thus preventing this alleged monster from taking office.

They were wrong. The alleged monster took office.

Now you have literally millions of citizens in the United States who were either right about Trump being the next Hitler, and we will see that behavior emerge from him soon, or they are complete morons. That’s a trigger for cognitive dissonance. The science says these frightened folks will start interpreting all they see as Hitler behavior no matter how ridiculous it might seem to the objective observer. And sure enough, we are seeing that.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/11/09/20/3A367FDA00000578-0-image-a-4_1478724158125.jpg

To be fair, Trump made it easy this week with his temporary immigration ban. If you assume Trump is Hitler, that fits with your hypothesis. But of course it also fits the hypothesis that he’s just doing his job. We’re all seeing what we expect to see.

But lately I get the feeling that Trump’s critics have evolved from expecting Trump to be Hitler to preferring it. Obviously they don’t prefer it in a conscious way. But the alternative to Trump becoming Hitler is that they have to live out the rest of their lives as confirmed morons. No one wants to be a confirmed moron. And certainly not after announcing their Trump opinions in public and demonstrating in the streets. It would be a total embarrassment for the anti-Trumpers to learn that Trump is just trying to do a good job for America. It’s a threat to their egos. A big one.

And this gets me to my point. When millions of Americans want the same thing, and they want it badly, the odds of it happening go way up. You can call it the power of positive thinking. It is also the principle behind affirmations. When humans focus on a desired future, events start to conspire to make it happen.


http://tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/donald-trump-the-simpsons-e1470214689185.jpg?0a86e3

I’m not talking about any new-age magic. I’m talking about ordinary people doing ordinary things to turn Trump into an actual Hitler. For example, if protesters start getting violent, you could expect forceful reactions eventually. And that makes Trump look more like Hitler. I can think of dozens of ways the protesters could cause the thing they are trying to prevent. In other words, they can wish it into reality even though it is the very thing they are protesting.

In the 3rd dimension of persuasion, the protesters need to be proven right, and they will do whatever it takes to make that happen. So you might see the protesters inadvertently create the police state they fear.

If you are looking for the tells that this dangerous situation is developing, notice how excited/happy the Trump critics seem to be – while angry at the same time – that Trump’s immigration ban fits their belief system. If you see people who are simply afraid of Trump, they are probably harmless. But the people who are excited about any Hitler-analogy-behavior by Trump might be leading the country to a police state without knowing it.

So watch for that.
http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/4CHAN_SMILEY_FACE1.png


The Burning Platform (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/29/be-careful-what-you-wish-for-especially-if-it-is-hitler/#more-141973)
http://www.longislandguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/14488313_1778294529118676_429539408690020352_n-288x190.jpg

[turiya]

Week One

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/23/20170129_pop_0.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/23/20170129_pop.jpg)

Source: Townhall.com (http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg012417dAPR20170124014509.jpg)

[norman]

The BBC is ever so busy interviewing "victims" and puffing up their sob stories. Oh, and they are very fond of the term "Post Truth".

I think it's fantastic that there's a bloke in the Whitehouse with a pen and a panicking crowd of brainwashed zombies walking themselves backwards through first-world blues into a realisation they have been fast asleep. Shares in coffee should be good right now.

[turiya]

Topics: Big banks dumping stocks... causing stock market to soar... just prior to the upcoming expected crash... How did these protests begin... Islamicist CAIR Organization funded... CAIR also funded the women's DC march... Has connection to Soros... Terrorists are created, controlled by the Neocons / Central Banking / un-elected Elites... more...



Current Economic Collapse News Brief
Episode 1190
(Published on Jan 29, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC2tJb7gMoA

[turiya]

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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825690087857995776)
Somebody with aptitude and conviction should
buy the FAKE NEWS and failing @nytimes
and either run it correctly or let it fold with
dignity!

5:00 AM - 29 Jan 2017






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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825692045532618753)
Our country needs strong borders and extreme
vetting, NOW. Look what is happening all over
Europe and, indeed, the world - a horrible
mess!

5:08 AM - 29 Jan 2017






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http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825721153142521858)
Christians in the Middle-East have been
executed in large numbers. We cannot allow
this horror to continue!

7:03 AM - 29 Jan 2017






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Trump Slams McCain, Graham:
"Stop Trying To Start
World War III" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-29/trump-slams-mccain-graham-stop-trying-start-world-war-iii)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 29, 2017 5:04 PM
Shortly after Senators McCain and Graham issued their "joint statement on President Trump's Executive Order on immigration" (http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2017/1/statement-by-senators-mccain-graham-on-executive-order-on-immigration)...

U.S. Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) released the following statement today on the President’s executive order on immigration:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/23/20170129_mccain.jpg

Our government has a responsibility to defend our borders, but we must do so in a way that makes us safer and upholds all that is decent and exceptional about our nation.

“It is clear from the confusion at our airports across the nation that President Trump’s executive order was not properly vetted. We are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security.

“Such a hasty process risks harmful results. We should not stop green-card holders from returning to the country they call home. We should not stop those who have served as interpreters for our military and diplomats from seeking refuge in the country they risked their lives to help. And we should not turn our backs on those refugees who have been shown through extensive vetting to pose no demonstrable threat to our nation, and who have suffered unspeakable horrors, most of them women and children.

“Ultimately, we fear this executive order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism. At this very moment, American troops are fighting side-by-side with our Iraqi partners to defeat ISIL. But this executive order bans Iraqi pilots from coming to military bases in Arizona to fight our common enemies. Our most important allies in the fight against ISIL are the vast majority of Muslims who reject its apocalyptic ideology of hatred. This executive order sends a signal, intended or not, that America does not want Muslims coming into our country. That is why we fear this executive order may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security.”

President Trump decided to let them [both] have it...





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The joint statement of former presidential
candidates John McCain & Lindsey Graham is
wrong - they are sadly weak on immigration.
The two...

1:45 PM - 29 Jan 2017








http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/TRUMP_TWEETS/TRUMP_TWITTER_ICON_4.png (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/825823217025691648)
...Senators should focus their energies on
ISIS, illegal immigration and border security
instead of always looking to start World War III.

1:49 PM - 29 Jan 2017


ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-29/trump-slams-mccain-graham-stop-trying-start-world-war-iii)

[KiwiElf]

Immediate Arrest of George Soros - Petition Formally Filed at WhiteHouse.gov
Saturday, January 28, 2017 15:55

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/01/immediate-arrest-of-george-soros-petition-formally-filed-at-whitehouse-gov-3470425.html

(Before It's News)

URGENT PETITION: Issue an International Arrest Warrant for George Soros

Formal Petition Filed at the WhiteHouse.gov

George Soros Must Be Arrested Post Haste For Crimes Against Humanity.

George Soros is a menace to the free world and stands in the way of making America great again. He is guilty of the following crimes:

1) Financially supports open sedition in major American cities resulting in millions of dollars of property damage as well as loss of life.

2) Attempts to manipulate democratic elections by donating millions of dollars to his preferred candidates.

3) Seeks to curtail American sovereignty. In his own words: “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States … Changing [the] attitude and policies of the United States remains my top priority.”

4) Is a currency manipulator. Soros initiated a British financial crisis by dumping 10 billion sterling, forcing the devaluation of the currency and gaining a billion-dollar profit.

To sign this petition, please click HERE.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-international-arrest-warrant-george-soros

THE MILLENNIUM REPORT: Reporting the Most Important News in the World Today

[Helene West]

Immediate Arrest of George Soros - Petition Formally Filed at WhiteHouse.gov
Saturday, January 28, 2017 15:55

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/01/immediate-arrest-of-george-soros-petition-formally-filed-at-whitehouse-gov-3470425.html

(Before It's News)

URGENT PETITION: Issue an International Arrest Warrant for George Soros

Formal Petition Filed at the WhiteHouse.gov

George Soros Must Be Arrested Post Haste For Crimes Against Humanity.

George Soros is a menace to the free world and stands in the way of making America great again. He is guilty of the following crimes:

1) Financially supports open sedition in major American cities resulting in millions of dollars of property damage as well as loss of life.

2) Attempts to manipulate democratic elections by donating millions of dollars to his preferred candidates.

3) Seeks to curtail American sovereignty. In his own words: “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States … Changing [the] attitude and policies of the United States remains my top priority.”

4) Is a currency manipulator. Soros initiated a British financial crisis by dumping 10 billion sterling, forcing the devaluation of the currency and gaining a billion-dollar profit.

To sign this petition, please click HERE.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-international-arrest-warrant-george-soros

THE MILLENNIUM REPORT: Reporting the Most Important News in the World Today

Has anyone ever signed an online petition before like this?
I've never but I'm tempted. If there is an arrest that the planet needs is the arrest of this demon

[norman]

If that is genuinely a whitehouse petition, and I'm doubtful so far, that's very good news.

Is Soros actually an American citizen ?

They could pull his passport.

[bojancan]

I agree with many here who applaud president for his numerous good actions during his first week in the office.

My worry is that in the long run there is something that may diminish if not pretty much erase his efforts to “make America great again”: his - in my opinion - too strong alignment with Israel and zionist groups. Nothing good can come out of this.

Just my opinion. I wish I was wrong...

[KiwiElf]

If that is genuinely a whitehouse petition, and I'm doubtful so far, that's very good news.

Is Soros actually an American citizen ?

They could pull his passport.

Click on the link and it does appear to be a genuine WH petition. No, he is not an American Citizen.

[onawah]

It is a genuine White House petition. I've signed them before, and it's easily recognizable. When you sign, you will be sent an email to confirm the email address you used was correct, and when you confirm, then your signature will be official.

[Cidersomerset]

The big test will be coming over the next few months possibly in time
for spring operations. Trump/Mattis are pro Israel/Saudi and existing
allies. They are very anti Iranian. So it will depend how the Trump
Putin relationship develops or not ?

We are on the cusp of a major foreign policy change in the Middle
East or do they keep to the status quo since 9/11 ? or try to mix it
up a bit ? Syria and Iraq the main ISIS base will be attacked by
Trump and it depends who is in the coalition how things will
develop....

This has the potential of Israeli/Palestinian friction flaring up again
as Israel ignores the UN anti settlement building with Trumps blessing.
This spring /summer could be a powder keg waiting to explode in the
Middle East. Or if Trump can broker a deal with the Russia/Syria/Iranian
alliance ISIS could be eliminated despite US/Saudi and other intelligence
backing for the 'proxy' terrorist forces.

The elephant in the room is still Israel and the Palestine Question.....
Yes it is still the mess the Middle East has always been since biblical
times but with new management team in the White house things are
about to develop and it could go several ways imo.....


Trump/Putin Plan To Take Out ISIS Angers GOP Dinosaurs

A-C4hyyAF8o

Published on 30 Jan 2017

President Trump had his first official phone call with Russian leader Vladimir Putin
today in which the two agreed to develop relations ‘as equals’ and to establish ‘real
coordination’ against the Islamic State group in Syria, the Kremlin said.





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Trump discusses Syrian safe zones with Saudi king

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Published on 29 Jan 2017

Trump discusses Syrian safe zones with Saudi king

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Background information...

France warns of 'serious consequences' if US embassy moves to Jerusalem

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Published on 16 Jan 2017
It was in1967 that the UN Security Council adopted resolution 242 Lasting peace in
the Middle East depends the Israeli armed forces withdrawing from the occupied
territories.*

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Trump and Saudi King accuse Iran of destabilizing region

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Published on 29 Jan 2017

Saudi Arabia and the United States have accused Iran
of playing a destabilizing role in the region.

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Occupied East Jerusalem: Israel approves hundreds of settler homes

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Published on 22 Jan 2017

Israeli authorities have approved building permits for more than 560 settler homes
in occupied East Jerusalem.

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PRESS TV....

Israeli PM seeks parliamentary vote on law legalizing settlements

Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:32AM


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‘Israeli Prime Benjamin Netanyahu is seeking a vote at the Knesset (parliament)
aimed at legalizing all wildcat settlements built on occupied Palestinian lands.

A statement by Netanyahu’s office said a bill would be sent to the parliament later
on Monday “to allow us to regularize once and for all settlements in (the occupied
West Bank) and prevent repeated attempts to damage them.”

Wildcat settlements are those built by Israeli settlers without Tel Aviv’s permission.

The prime minister further said the proposed law is “designed to normalize the
status of” the Judea and Samaria settlements in the West Bank.’

Read more: Israeli premier to seek parliamentary vote on law legalizing settlements

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/30/508345/Israel-Knesset-Netanyahu-US-Trump-Obama


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Sen. McConnell 'Absolutely Opposed' to Lifting Russian Sanctions

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Published on 29 Jan 2017
The Senate majority leader weighs in on Trump's travel ban, Russian sanctions, and
prospective Supreme Court nominees on "This Week."

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Lavrov: Syria ‘safe zones’ possible if Damascus agrees

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Published on 30 Jan 2017
Russia may support the US initiative to establish so-called ‘safe zones’ for refugees
in Syria, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said. The plan would require close
cooperation with the UN and approval from Syrian President Bashar Assad’s
government, he added.

[Bill Ryan]

If that is genuinely a whitehouse petition, and I'm doubtful so far, that's very good news.

Is Soros actually an American citizen ?

They could pull his passport.

It's a petition to the White House, not a petition by the White House. :)

[Cidersomerset]

Sean Spicer Interview: Trump Won't 'Apologize For
Putting Safety of This Country First' | This Week


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Published on 29 Jan 2017

Sean Spicer - the White House press secretary - is interviewed
about Trump's busy first full week in office on "This Week."

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This is quite good as it shows that terrorism deaths are very small , something
we have always known but hyped in the Press and government before Trump.
Now he is doing something about it they are all crying foul play.

What hopefully will come out of this is that terrorism is over exaggerated
but still a factor to get under control ie stop arming the various intel sponsored
groups in the first place....

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Reality check: Truth about refugees, terrorism

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Published on 30 Jan 2017
CNN's Chris Cuomo breaks down the truth about refugees and terrorism in America.

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Huckabee: Critics 'lying' about Trump travel ban

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Published on 30 Jan 2017
Fox News contributor sounds off on reaction to executive order

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Is Trump's executive order on immigration constitutional?

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Published on 29 Jan 2017
Reaction on 'America's News HQ'

[turiya]

Recent ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/) Headlines...



Why The Cold War Between Tech CEOs and Trump Is About To Go Nuclear (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/why-cold-war-between-tech-ceos-and-trump-about-go-nuclear)

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The reason for the simmering cold war between tech CEOs and Trump can be summarized in just three letters: H1-B. According to Bloomberg, Trump's administration has drafted an executive order aimed at overhauling the work-visa program which will truly unleash tech CEO fury.

Jan 30, 2017 8:15 AM


Trump Signs Executive Order On Regulation: "For Every New Regulation, Two Regulations Must Be Revoked" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-signs-executive-orders-regulation-every-new-regultion-two-regulations-must-be-)

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President Trump has signed an executive action to revoke two regulations for every one enacted, or as officials told AP, that they are naming the new directive a “one in, two out” plan. Federal agencies will need to revoke two regulations for every new regulation they request, and the White House will review the proposal, according to administration officials.

Jan 30, 2017 10:16 AM


The Honeymoon Is Ending: Angry Wall Street Traders Slam Trump, Warn Next Move Is Lower (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/angry-wall-street-traders-slam-trump-warn-next-move-lower)

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"I used the phrase “irrational stubbornness” to describe the market’s determination to buy the dollar in the face of both contrary newsflow and price action. Stubbornness is not a trait that’s closely correlated with profits in markets."

Jan 30, 2017 10:02 AM


Trump Strikes Deal With Lockheed, Asks "Where Was The Outrage When Jobs Were Fleeing" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-strikes-deal-lockheed-asks-where-was-outrage-when-jobs-were-fleeing)

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"Where was all the outrage from Democrats and the opposition party (the media) when our jobs were fleeing our country?"

Jan 30, 2017 9:39 AM


More Executive Orders Coming: A Preview Of Key Events In Washington Today (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/more-executive-orders-coming-preview-key-events-washington-today)

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Having concluded a blistering, tumultuous first week, in which Trump signed no less than 17 executive orders (http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/01/all-trump-executive-actions-000288), the President is set to begin his second week the way he finished on Friday: by signing another executive order, this one reportedly aimed at foreign worker visas.

Jan 30, 2017 9:11 AM


Trump Will Announce Supreme Court Pick On Tuesday At 8:PM (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-will-announce-supreme-court-pick-tuesday-8pm)

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"I have made my decision on who I will nominate for The United States Supreme Court. It will be announced live on Tuesday at 8:00 P.M. (W.H.)"

Jan 30, 2017 8:52 AM


Trump Blames Travel Chaos On Protesters, "Schumer's Tears"; Tweets "Nothing Nice About Searching For Terrorists" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/trump-blames-travel-chaos-protesters-schumers-tears-tweets-nothing-nice-about-search)

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"There is nothing nice about searching for terrorists before they can enter our country. This was a big part of my campaign. Study the world!"

Jan 30, 2017 7:45 AM


US Embassies In UK, Germany Suspend Visa Issuance To Citizens Of Seven Countries, Dual Nationals (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/us-embassies-uk-germany-suspend-visa-issuance-citizens-seven-countries-dual-national)

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In the latest fallout from Trump's Friday executive order on immigration, the US embassies in Berlin and the UK have suspended visa issuance to nationals from the affected seven countries including dual nationals.

Jan 30, 2017 7:04 AM

[Chester]

It is a genuine White House petition. I've signed them before, and it's easily recognizable. When you sign, you will be sent an email to confirm the email address you used was correct, and when you confirm, then your signature will be official.

So that it is clear, this petition is to the White House. It should not be characterized as a White House petition as that wording could lead to misunderstanding. It is a petition created on the website created by the White House to facilitate the ability for the public to create and have signatures logged such that the petition might reach a threshold where the petition's request might then be taken up by the White House staff.

This is the website -

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/



Create a Petition

Call on the White House to take action on the issue that matters to you.


Gather Signatures

Share your petition with others, build a community for the change you want to make.

More on how it works (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/about#step-by-step)


100,000 Signatures in 30 Days

Get an official update from the White House within 60 days.

Sign a Petition

Add your name to these petitions and help them reach their goal.

View Petitions With Updates (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/responses#petitionswithupdates)

Petition the White House on the Issues that Matter to You

[turiya]

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Only Glass-Steagall Can Save the U.S.
from Another Epic Crash (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/30/glass-steagall-can-save-u-s-another-epic-crash-pam-martens/)
— Pam Martens
January 30, 2017 | Categories: Articles & Columns
Allowing the largest Wall Street banks to brazenly loot the public is now the official policy of Congress. Following the worst financial crash since the Great Depression in 2008, Congress and the Obama administration engaged in the greatest legislative hoax in history in passing the Dodd-Frank financial reform legislation. Rather than reforming the corrupt and dangerous practices of the biggest Wall Street banks, the Dodd-Frank legislation actually allowed the biggest banks to expand their global loan-sharking operations, engage in ever more brazen crimes, while giving their lapdog regulator, the Federal Reserve (whose derelict oversight had led to the 2008 crash), expanded supervisory powers.

That the legislation was a hoax on the public is no longer debatable. Here’s how we know:

The Vice Chairman for Supervision of the banks that President Obama was mandated to put in place at the Federal Reserve as part of Dodd-Frank legislation never got appointed. From Dodd-Frank’s passage in 2010 until he left the Oval Office in 2017, President Obama simply thumbed his nose at this mandate.

As the IE article (http://www.investmentexecutive.com/-/jpmorgan-tops-list-of-riskiest-u-s-banks-report) shows, in February 2015 - five years after the passage of Dodd-Frank - the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Financial Research released a report showing that two of Wall Street’s biggest banks, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup, pose the greatest interconnected risk to the U.S. financial system. In May of the same year, both banks admitted to criminal felony charges, for the first time in their century old existence, for rigging foreign currency markets.

The so-called Volcker Rule section of Dodd-Frank, which was to stop the banks from trading for their own accounts and force them to exit hedge funds and private equity funds, still has not been fully implemented. The biggest Wall Street banks are still allowed to operate Dark Pools. These are unregulated, quasi stock exchanges where the banks trade stocks, including their own and competitors’ bank stocks, in the dark.

The most important facet of Dodd-Frank, to force the Wall Street banks to “push out” their risky derivatives from their taxpayer insured, deposit-taking bank unit, was repealed by Citigroup in 2014 by effectively forcing an amendment onto the government’s must-pass spending bill in 2014.

The amount of derivatives held by the six largest Wall Street banks has been allowed by bank regulators to grow in actual size and in terms of concentration since those derivatives played a major role in blowing up Wall Street in 2008. On September 30, 2016, the six largest derivative banks held $211.7 trillion in derivatives versus $179.1 trillion on the same date in 2008. Citigroup, which imploded in 2008 from its irresponsible gambles in derivatives and subprime debt has gone from holding $38.2 trillion in notional derivatives (face amount) at the time of its crash in 2008 to $51.8 trillion today – an increase of 36 percent.

Citigroup has increased its high-risk footprint while simultaneously being charged with ever more brazen looting of the public. Its serial crimes against the public have ranged from charges and settlements over lying to its shareholders about the extent of its subprime mortgages to engaging in bank foreclosure fraud to rigging interest rate benchmarks and selling mortgages it knew to be toxic to investors.

Many of Citigroup’s charges of defrauding the public (as well as those made by regulators against other big Wall Street banks) have been for actions that occurred after the passage of the Dodd-Frank reform legislation – leaving no question that Congress realizes that Wall Street was never reformed.

Just two years after the passage of Dodd-Frank, JPMorgan Chase was caught with its hand in the cookie jar to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. It was using the insured deposits of its bank customers to make high risk derivatives bets in London. After an in depth investigation of this travesty, known as the London Whale scandal, the U.S. Senate’s Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations held a hearing on March 15, 2013. Senator John McCain, Ranking Member of the Subcommittee at the time, made the following remarks at the opening of the hearing:

“This investigation into the so-called ‘Whale Trades’ (http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/JPMWhalePSI.pdf) at JPMorgan has revealed startling failures at an institution that touts itself as an expert in risk management and prides itself on its ‘fortress balance sheet.’ The investigation has also shed light on the complex and volatile world of synthetic credit derivatives. In a matter of months, JPMorgan was able to vastly increase its exposure to risk while dodging oversight by federal regulators. The trades ultimately cost the bank billions of dollars and its shareholders value.

“These losses came to light not because of admirable risk management strategies at JPMorgan or because of effective oversight by diligent regulators. Instead, these losses came to light because they were so damaging that they shook the market, and so damning that they caught the attention of the press. Following the revelation that these huge trades were coming from JPMorgan’s London Office, the bank’s losses continued to grow. By the end of the year, the total losses stood at a staggering $6.2 billion dollars.”

The legitimate purpose of Wall Street investment banks is to function as efficient allocators of capital to grow new businesses and industries in America in order to keep the nation competitive and expand good jobs. But since the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed in 1999 under decades of pressure from Wall Street lobbyists, Wall Street’s biggest banks increasingly make their profits by targeting the financially unsophisticated. In what has become a highly efficient, wealth transfer mechanism, billions of dollars each month move from the pockets of those least able to protect themselves from financial abuse to the coffers of the one percent in America who sit in the executive offices of these banks.

Under the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, banks holding insured deposits were not allowed to be affiliated with Wall Street investment banks and brokerage firms — which have a long sordid history of stock frauds, abusing their customers, and blowing up. That protection was removed when President Bill Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act on November 12, 1999, the legislation that repealed the Glass-Steagall Act. After protecting the nation for 66 years, it took just 9 years after its repeal for Wall Street to crash, taking down century old iconic names on Wall Street along with the U.S. economy and forcing the largest taxpayer bailout in the history of markets.

The Glass-Steagall Act served this country incredibly well for 66 years until its repeal. It worked because of its simplicity – and its threat of five years of jail time for those who violated its key provisions.

The provisions banning deposit-taking banks from being engaged in the securities business (Sections 16, 20 and 21) are elegant in their simplicity. Unlike Dodd-Frank, there are no 900 pages of rules to be studied and debated for a decade before enactment. The key provisions of those three sections all took effect one year after the enactment of the legislation in 1933.

Section 16 said that “The business of dealing in investment securities by the association shall be limited to purchasing and selling such securities without recourse, solely upon the order, and for the account of, customers, and in no case for its own account, and the association shall not underwrite any issue of securities.”

[B]Section 20 mandated that “After one year from the date of the enactment of this Act, no member bank shall be affiliated in any manner described in section 2 (b) hereof with any corporation, association, business trust, or other similar organization engaged principally in the issue, flotation, underwriting, public sale, or distribution at wholesale or retail or through syndicate participation of stocks, bonds, debentures, notes, or other securities.”

Section 21 reaffirmed the provisions of Sections 16 and 20, noting: “(a) After the expiration of one year after the date of enactment of this Act it shall be unlawful— (1 ) For any person, firm, corporation, association, business trust, or other similar organization, engaged in the business of issuing, underwriting, selling, or distributing, at wholesale or retail, or through syndicate participation, stocks, bonds, debentures, notes, or other securities, to engage at the same time to any extent whatever in the business of receiving deposits subject to check or to repayment upon presentation of a passbook, certificate of deposit, or other evidence of debt, or upon request of the depositor.”

The Dodd-Frank legislation was a complex maze of legal verbosity whose clear intent was not to reform Wall Street but to stall reform of Wall Street.

Both the Democratic and Republican Platforms of last year urged restoring the Glass-Steagall Act. The U.S. is left with only a small window of time to get that job done before Wall Street has completely looted the country and left the next generation with a dystopian society of Wall Street overlords.

Pam Martens is a former Wall Street veteran. She writes regularly on the corrupt nexus between Wall Street and Washington at www.WallStreetOnParade.com.

Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/30/glass-steagall-can-save-u-s-another-epic-crash-pam-martens/)

[Bob]

On that Petition - these are the current statistics - Petition was created by A.B. on January 21, 2017

Needs 99,406 signatures by February 20, 2017 to get a response from the White House

594 SIGNED 100,000 GOAL

(source: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/issue-international-arrest-warrant-george-soros )

[turiya]

After the "Muslim Ban" Protest weekend, Sean Spice prepares for the onslaught...

Sean Spicer Faces The Press After Trump Immigration Orders - Live Feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/sean-spicer-faces-press-after-trump-immigration-orders-live-feed)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170130_spicer.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/sean-spicer-faces-press-after-trump-immigration-orders-live-feed)
In the first White House press conference since the controversial (to some) immigration executive orders issued by President Trump over the weekend, we suggest grabbing some popcorn...

Jan 30, 2017 1:25 PM


Press Briefing with
Press Secretary Sean Spicer
(Starts @ 45mins)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEJJ0-9nS4A_______________________________________

Other News by ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/)...

Speculation Grows That Bashar Assad Has "Suffered A Stroke" As Syria Slams Trump's "Safe Zone" Proposal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/speculation-grows-bashar-assad-has-suffered-stroke-syria-slams-trumps-safe-zone-prop)

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Syria said on Monday that any attempt to create so-called safe zones for refugees without coordinating with Damascus would be "unsafe" and violate Syria's sovereignty. Meanwhile, news has been circulating since Friday that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is experiencing serious health problems, with stroke or even death speculated.

Jan 30, 2017 12:08 PM


UK Parliament To "Immediately" Debate Trump Ban After Millions Sign Petition (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/uk-parliament-immediately-debate-trump-ban-after-millions-sign-petition)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fp_thumb/images/user3303/imageroot/20170130_petition.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/uk-parliament-immediately-debate-trump-ban-after-millions-sign-petition)
A petition to ban President Donald Trump from visiting The UK (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-29/over-400000-brits-want-president-trump-banned-uk) has now received over one million signatures and the UK parliament has just agreed to immediately hold a three-hour debate on the decision.

Jan 30, 2017 1:08 PM


Did Iran Just Break Nuclear Deal (Again) With Ballistic Missile Test-Launch? (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/did-iran-just-break-nuclear-deal-again-ballistic-missile-test-launch)

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The Islamic Republic of Iran conducted a nuclear ballistic missile test on Sunday, US officials told Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/iran-conducts-ballistic-missile-test-us-officials-say.html). This would appear to be yet another apparent violation of a United Nations resolution and President Obama's much-heralded nuclear deal.

Jan 30, 2017 11:27 AM


Quebec Mosque Shooting: One Suspect Identified As French-Canadian, One Of Moroccan Heritage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/quebec-mosque-shooting-one-suspect-identified-french-canadian-one-moroccan-heritage)

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Following last night's deadly shooting at a Quebec City mosque which killed six people and wounded eight, two suspects were under arrest and according to press reports have been identified: one suspect was identified as Alexandre Bissonnette, a French-Canadian, the other as Mohamed Khadir, who is of Moroccan heritage although his nationality was not immediately known.

Jan 30, 2017 11:11 AM


Russia Launches Biggest Arctic Military Expansion Since Fall Of USSR (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/russia-launches-biggest-arctic-military-expansion-fall-ussr)

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Russia is quietly engaging in the biggest military build-up in the Arctic since the 1991 Soviet fall and will, in some areas, give Moscow more military capabilities than the Soviet Union once had. "These Arctic bases are on our territory. Unlike some other countries we are not building them overseas."

Jan 30, 2017 10:56 AM

[Cidersomerset]

After the "Muslim Ban" Protest weekend, Sean Spicer prepares for the onslaught...
Sean Spicer Faces The Press After Trump Immigration Orders - Live Feed

Good press response by Sean Spicer , explaining exactly what is going on logically...

Meanwhile the mainstream are all over the place and some of the neo-cons and
dems are trying to cause trouble.



' Dumb and Dumber'...Republicans and Democrats criticize Trump's travel ban

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Published on 30 Jan 2017
Both Republicans and Democrats in Congress are condemning the White House's
order to halt travel and immigration from 7 Muslim-majority countries. CBS News
congressional correspondent Nancy Cordes has the latest reaction from Capitol Hill.

[turiya]

From the past weekend's Women's March in D.C....



NOT WELCOME HERE (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/01/30/youre-not-welcome-here/)

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And, this recent weekend's so-called 'Muslim Ban' protests...


The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
(Published on Jan 29, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM_______________________________

The Craziest Liberals on Earth
(Published on Jan 30, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9g0EYIUfX4

[BMJ]

The Truth About Trump's 'Muslim Ban'
(Published on Jan 29, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNu4xU9qOEM

Thanks Turiya, regardless of whether you like or dislike PJW style everyone should see this video about the "so called muslim ban", so they can put this issue in proper perspective.



SCRATCH: Nigel Farage calls for muslim ban in the UK and calls media hypocrites

Nigel Farage calls for "TERRORIST BAN" in the UK and calls media hypocrites
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Published on 30 Jan 2017

(30TH JAN 2017) Subscribe for more Nigel Farage content.

[turiya]

Moving on to further Trump Administration business...
Exectutive Order to help small businesses...





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The American dream is back. We’re going to
create an environment for small business like
we haven’t had in many, many decades!

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1:07 PM - 30 Jan 2017







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Trump Fires Acting
Attorney General Yates
Following "Betrayal" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/mutiny-acting-attorney-general-orders-justice-department-not-defend-trump-executive-)
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/pictures/picture-5.jpgby Tyler Durden
Jan 30, 2017 6:45 PM
Update: Well that did not take long.

Update #3: Unsurprisingly, Democrats are up in arms over the firing of 'their' Acting Attorney General, seemingly making her out to be some freedom-fighting martyr for their cause of selective and political law enforcement... (as The Hill reports (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/317023-dnc-blasts-tyrannical-trump-for-firing-acting-ag-yates))

The Democratic National Committee released a statement late Monday responding to ”tyrannical” President Trump’s decision to fire Acting Attorney General Sally Yates. Yates was fired shortly after she announced that Justice Department not to defend Trump’s controversial executive order on immigration under her watch.

"Donald Trump can try to silence heroic patriots like Sally Yates who dare to speak truth to power about his illegal anti-Muslim ban that emboldens terrorists around the globe. But he cannot silence the growing voices of an American people now wide awake to his tyrannical presidency,” the DNC statement read.


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Update #2: That "mutiny" did not last long. At 9:16pm on Monday, President Trump announced the firing of the acting attorney general who had defied him just three hours earlier on his migrant-travel ban, saying she "has betrayed the Department of Justice."

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/23/20170130_AG_1.jpg
Acting AG Yates has been relieved of duty...

Statement on the Appointment of Dana Boente as Acting Attorney General

The acting Attorney General, Sally Yates, has betrayed the Department of Justice by refusing to enforce a legal order designed to protect the citizens of the United States. This order was approved as to form and legality by the Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel.

Ms. Yates is an Obama Administration appointee who is weak on borders and very weak on illegal immigration.

It is time to get serious about protecting our country. Calling for tougher vetting for individuals travelling from seven dangerous places is not extreme. It is reasonable and necessary to protect our country.

Tonight, President Trump relieved Ms. Yates of her duties and subsequently named Dana Boente, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, to serve as Acting Attorney General until Senator Jeff Sessions is finally confirmed by the Senate, where he is being wrongly held up by Democrat senators for strictly political reasons.

"I am honored to serve President Trump in this role until Senator Sessions is confirmed. I will defend and enforce the laws of our country to ensure that our people and our nation are protected," said Dana Boente, Acting Attorney General.


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Update #1: President Trump responds...





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The Democrats are delaying my cabinet picks
for purely political reasons. They have nothing
going but to obstruct. Now have an Obama
A.G.

4:45 PM - 30 Jan 2017






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As we detailed earlier, in what those with a flair for the dramatic might be allowed to call "mutiny", Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates, who is the current acting Attorney General, has given orders to Justice Department lawyers not to defend Trump's executive order.

Her just released statement is below:

On January 27, 2017, the President signed an Executive Order regarding immigrants and refugees from certain Muslim-majority countries. The order has now been challenged in a number of jurisdictions. As the Acting Attorney General, it is my ultimate responsibility to determine the position of the Department of Justice in these actions.

My role is different from that of the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), which, through administrations of both parties, has reviewed Executive Orders for form and legality before they are issued. OLC's review is limited to the narrow question of whether, in OLC's view, a proposed Executive Order is lawful on its face and properly drafted. Its review does not take account of statements made by an administration or it surrogates close in time to the issuance of an Executive Order that may bear on the order's purpose. And importantly, it does not address whether any policy choice embodied in an Executive Order is wise or just.

Similarly, in litigation, DOJ Civil Division lawyers are charged with advancing reasonable legal arguments that can be made supporting an Executive Order. But my role as leader of this institution is different and broader. My responsibility is to ensure that the position of the Department of Justice is not only legally defensible, but is informed by our best view of what the law is after consideration of all the facts. In addition, I am responsible for ensuring that the positions we take in court remain consistent with this institution's solemn obligation to always seek justice and stand for what is right. At present, I am not convinced that the defense of the Executive Order is consistent with these responsibilities nor am I convinced that the Executive Order is lawful.

Consequently, for as long as I am the Acting Attorney General, the Department of Justice will not present arguments in defense of the Executive Order, unless and until I become convinced that it is appropriate to do so.

While it is clear that Yates is making a purely political statement, her glaring insubordination to the Trump administration will take on a largely symbolic hue, and may be imitated by various other government agencies which still have interim or permanent democratic leadership, as is the case with every instance of political "mutiny."

As The New York Times notes (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/trump-immigration-ban-memo.html), Mr. Trump has the authority to fire Ms. Yates, but as the top Senate-confirmed official at the Justice Department, she is the only one authorized to sign foreign surveillance warrants, an essential function at the department.

That said, Donald Trump's response, once he realizes he may have a mini mutiny on his hands, should be interesting.

Trump aide (and reported architect of Trump's immigration executive order) Stephen Miller explains "this is further demonstration of how politicized our legal system has become..."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V4tpL8kpDg

And here is the authority that the president has to make his decision.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/01/23/20170130_AG1.jpg

Even Alan Dershowtiz believes AG Yates "has made a serious mistake".


President Trump to AG Sally Yates:
"You're Fired!"
(Published January 30, 2017)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeRCFDCFwjM

ZeroHedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-30/mutiny-acting-attorney-general-orders-justice-department-not-defend-trump-executive-)

[turiya]

Cross-Posted from another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95705-Trump-s-Executive-Order-Entry-Suspension--aka-by-MSM-as-the-Muslim-Ban--&p=1131052&viewfull=1#post1131052)...

A good source to get a good reality-check is from Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/)...


https://www.johndenugent.com/images/paul-craig-roberts-banner-march-2016.jpg

The Left Is Self-Destructing (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/30/left-self-destructing-paul-craig-roberts/)
— Paul Craig Roberts
January 30, 2017 | Categories: Articles & Columns
The mindlessness is unbearable. Amnesty International tells us that we must “fight the Muslim ban” because Trump’s bigotry is wrecking lives. Anthony Dimaggio at CounterPunch says Trump should be impeached because his Islamophobia is a threat to the Constitution. This is not to single out these two, as the mindlessness is everywhere among those whose worldview is defined by Identity Politics.

One might think that Amnesty International should be fighting against the Bush/Cheney/Obama regime wars that have produced the refugees by killing and displacing millions of Muslims. For example, the ongoing war that Obama inflicted on Yemen results in the death of one Yemeni child every 10 minutes, according to UNICEF.


Where is Amnesty International?

Clearly America’s wars on Muslims wreck far more lives than Trump’s ban on immigrants. Why the focus on an immigration ban and not on wars that produce refugees? Is it because Obama is responsible for war and Trump for the ban? Is the liberal/progressive/left projecting Obama’s monstrous crimes onto Trump?


]Is it that we must hate Trump and not Obama?

Immigration is not a right protected by the US Constitution. Where was Dimaggio when in the name of “the war on terror” the Bush/Obama regime destroyed the civil liberties guaranteed by the US Constitution? If Dimaggio is an American citizen, he should try immigrating to the UK, Germany, or France and see how far he gets.

The easiest and surest way for the Trump administration to stop the refugee problem, not only for the US but also for Europe and the West in general, is to stop the wars against Muslim countries that his predecessors started. The enormous sums of money squandered on gratuitous wars could instead be given to the countries that the US and NATO have destroyed. The simplest way to end the refugee problem is to stop producing refugees. This should be the focus of Trump, Amnesty, and Dimaggio.

Is everyone too busy hating to do anything sensible?
It is very disturbing that the liberal/progressive/left prefers to oppose Trump than to oppose war. Indeed, they want a war on Trump. How does this differ from the Bush/Obama war on Muslims?

The liberal/progressive/left is demonstrating a mindless hatred of the American people and the President that the people chose. This mindless hatred can achieve nothing but the discrediting of an alternative voice and the opening of the future to the least attractive elements of the right-wing.

The liberal/progressive/left will end up discrediting all critics, thereby empowering those to whom the liberal/progressive/left are most opposed.

Paul Craig Roberts (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/30/left-self-destructing-paul-craig-roberts/)


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Night of the Liberal Dead
By Mark Dice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48w7d-xSr_A
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[Cidersomerset]

Top Donald Trump Aide Rips ‘Politicized’ Justice Department

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Published on 30 Jan 2017
White House Senior Adviser Stephen Miller reacts to acting U.S. Attorney General
Sally Yates ordering the Justice Department not to defend President Trump’s
executive order on immigration.

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Dana Boente replaces Sally Yates as acting attorney general

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Published on 30 Jan 2017

The White House said it relieved acting Attorney General Sally Yates of her duties
and named Dana Boente to serve as acting attorney general. CBS News justice
reporter Paula Reid joins CBSN to discuss the latest.

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Hannity: Dems, celebs willing to gamble with American lives

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Published on 30 Jan 2017
Democrats, the media and celebrities are completely out of touch when it comes
to keeping the American people safe from radical Islamic terrorism

[Chester]

Thanks again, turiya, for this thread and the theme of the thread maintained and supported by such excellent material as is found in Post #2237. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1131053&viewfull=1#post1131053) I wrote this post to emphasize post #2237 which I will comment on now.

I really shake my head in complete bewilderment that folks blindly follow and defend political players and their hollow words when their actions create and/or support the US policies that have played a creation and/or support role with regards to the very wars that result in the creation of the refugee situation in the first place... and these folks then demand we must support these refugees by claiming "this is our American values."

Is it our American values to consciously choose to remain ignorant as to what American actions do to create the very problem?

What a flat out "no-brainer" it is to see how utterly mindless folks can be.


Now I ask you this - has anyone in the media asked any refugee if they think America should play a destabilizing role in the region of their world? Does the media ask any of these refugees that if they had their wish, would they have preferred their country avoid the wars they find themselves a victim of? Does anyone in the media ask any of these refugees if they would have preferred their own countries manage their own internal situations without the intervention of overt and covert manipulation of their country's stability?

No one can argue that any of this "we must save the world America values" is justified by saying the victims had no choice with regards to their situation under reasons such as "they are victims of an evil ruler such as Assad" (with regards to Syria as an example) or that they are victims of being overrun by external enemies such as ISIS when external forces play a significant role in creating their situation because no one knows what would have happened if the external influence (a large amount of this caused by American actors) had not been applied.

Does anyone understand this?

Imagine if there were a country where no external actors played any role in outrages occurring in their country. Would it not make sense in these situations to consider how to help the innocent victims while also apply pressures on the internal forces that are causing the problem? Of Course... if we are actually caring people. Of Course. But when we play a critical role in creating the situation in the first place then everything else we might do no longer makes sense.

The solution is for the the US related folks stop creating and supporting destabilization. An extremely complicated "thing" to make happen as this activity is so entrenched in so many of the various groupifications (my word) that are made up of individuals who are somehow justifying to themselves their destabilization activities are somehow justified. This strange and senseless stream of consciousness that must be permeating so many of these groups has to be rooted out and reformed or this brief moment of hope for real change will end.

Where are the protestors against these America actors who are overtly and covertly creating these destabilizations?

I really wish anyone would debate this one issue with me. Please... bring something to this argument that can convince any rationally thinking individual that what seems so obvious is actually wrong... Please.

[abmqa]

Sam, thank you for this well thought out post. I have no argument with anything you posted. Just wanted to add that Yes, you are correct to state the very complicated thing of US actions in foreign country destabilization / interference.

I feel that because America was a melting pot of immigrants from it's inception, this further complicates things. We (the US) are in way, are those people being affected since many US immigrants still have extended families in other countries. It's like cognitive dissonance on a global level.

[sunpaw]

I find the pace worrying - besides all the stuff itself happening.

I can't get my head around a 5 year old child was hand cuffed for hours. And that it's justified officially, and privately.

I am shocked.

[abmqa]

Thanks again, turiya, for this thread and the theme of the thread maintained and supported by such excellent material as is found in Post #2237. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1131053&viewfull=1#post1131053) I wrote this post to emphasize post #2237 which I will comment on now.

I really shake my head in complete bewilderment that folks blindly follow and defend political players and their hollow words when their actions create and/or support the US policies that have played a creation and/or support role with regards to the very wars that result in the creation of the refugee situation in the first place... and these folks then demand we must support these refugees by claiming "this is our American values."

Is it our American values to consciously choose to remain ignorant as to what American actions do to create the very problem?

What a flat out "no-brainer" it is to see how utterly mindless folks can be.


Now I ask you this - has anyone in the media asked any refugee if they think America should play a destabilizing role in the region of their world? Does the media ask any of these refugees that if they had their wish, would they have preferred their country avoid the wars they find themselves a victim of? Does anyone in the media ask any of these refugees if they would have preferred their own countries manage their own internal situations without the intervention of overt and covert manipulation of their country's stability?

No one can argue that any of this "we must save the world America values" is justified by saying the victims had no choice with regards to their situation under reasons such as "they are victims of an evil ruler such as Assad" (with regards to Syria as an example) or that they are victims of being overrun by external enemies such as ISIS when external forces play a significant role in creating their situation because no one knows what would have happened if the external influence (a large amount of this caused by American actors) had not been applied.

Does anyone understand this?

Imagine if there were a country where no external actors played any role in outrages occurring in their country. Would it not make sense in these situations to consider how to help the innocent victims while also apply pressures on the internal forces that are causing the problem? Of Course... if we are actually caring people. Of Course. But when we play a critical role in creating the situation in the first place then everything else we might do no longer makes sense.

The solution is for the the US related folks stop creating and supporting destabilization. An extremely complicated "thing" to make happen as this activity is so entrenched in so many of the various groupifications (my word) that are made up of individuals who are somehow justifying to themselves their destabilization activities are somehow justified. This strange and senseless stream of consciousness that must be permeating so many of these groups has to be rooted out and reformed or this brief moment of hope for real change will end.

Where are the protestors against these America actors who are overtly and covertly creating these destabilizations?

I really wish anyone would debate this one issue with me. Please... bring something to this argument that can convince any rationally thinking individual that what seems so obvious is actually wrong... Please.


I find the pace worrying - besides all the stuff itself happening.

I can't get my head around a 5 year old child was hand cuffed for hours. And that it's justified officially, and privately.

I am shocked.

I'm not shocked. It's trump keeping us safe. Don't you feel safer? Also, he's covering another worrisome source of terror in our country. See here:

http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/

trump is amazing!!!

[TargeT]

I find the pace worrying - besides all the stuff itself happening.

I can't get my head around a 5 year old child was hand cuffed for hours. And that it's justified officially, and privately.

I am shocked.

I'm not shocked. It's trump keeping us safe.
trump is amazing!!!

Yeah, I'm sure it was him down there personally doing that...

Way to keep objective ;)

[abmqa]

Thanks again, turiya, for this thread and the theme of the thread maintained and supported by such excellent material as is found in Post #2237. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1131053&viewfull=1#post1131053) I wrote this post to emphasize post #2237 which I will comment on now.

I really shake my head in complete bewilderment that folks blindly follow and defend political players and their hollow words when their actions create and/or support the US policies that have played a creation and/or support role with regards to the very wars that result in the creation of the refugee situation in the first place... and these folks then demand we must support these refugees by claiming "this is our American values."

Is it our American values to consciously choose to remain ignorant as to what American actions do to create the very problem?

What a flat out "no-brainer" it is to see how utterly mindless folks can be.


Now I ask you this - has anyone in the media asked any refugee if they think America should play a destabilizing role in the region of their world? Does the media ask any of these refugees that if they had their wish, would they have preferred their country avoid the wars they find themselves a victim of? Does anyone in the media ask any of these refugees if they would have preferred their own countries manage their own internal situations without the intervention of overt and covert manipulation of their country's stability?

No one can argue that any of this "we must save the world America values" is justified by saying the victims had no choice with regards to their situation under reasons such as "they are victims of an evil ruler such as Assad" (with regards to Syria as an example) or that they are victims of being overrun by external enemies such as ISIS when external forces play a significant role in creating their situation because no one knows what would have happened if the external influence (a large amount of this caused by American actors) had not been applied.

Does anyone understand this?

Imagine if there were a country where no external actors played any role in outrages occurring in their country. Would it not make sense in these situations to consider how to help the innocent victims while also apply pressures on the internal forces that are causing the problem? Of Course... if we are actually caring people. Of Course. But when we play a critical role in creating the situation in the first place then everything else we might do no longer makes sense.

The solution is for the the US related folks stop creating and supporting destabilization. An extremely complicated "thing" to make happen as this activity is so entrenched in so many of the various groupifications (my word) that are made up of individuals who are somehow justifying to themselves their destabilization activities are somehow justified. This strange and senseless stream of consciousness that must be permeating so many of these groups has to be rooted out and reformed or this brief moment of hope for real change will end.

Where are the protestors against these America actors who are overtly and covertly creating these destabilizations?

I really wish anyone would debate this one issue with me. Please... bring something to this argument that can convince any rationally thinking individual that what seems so obvious is actually wrong... Please.





I find the pace worrying - besides all the stuff itself happening.

I can't get my head around a 5 year old child was hand cuffed for hours. And that it's justified officially, and privately.

I am shocked.

I'm not shocked. It's trump keeping us safe.
trump is amazing!!!

Yeah, I'm sure it was him down there personally doing that...

Way to keep objective ;)

Yes, I blame trump personally. It appears that you have a problem with that? Too bad. I'd listen to what the Sean Spicer said again if I were you. It appears to be trumps admin policy to do so to keep us safe. Don't you feel safer now? I certainly do. Especially since the kid was an American child. We all know how deadly they can be.

Editing to add the what Sean Spicer said, who speaks for trump as White House spokesmen:

"The White House says a five-year-old boy was held for five hours and reportedly handcuffed because he could have been a “threat” to the United States.

In a briefing tonight, Donald Trump’s Press Secretary Sean Spicer said: “To assume that just because of someone’s age and gender that they don’t pose a threat would be misguided and wrong.”

The boy, who was identified by Senator Chris Van Hollen as a US citizen who lives in Maryland, was detained at Washington DC’s Dulles airport on Saturday."

[turiya]

I find the pace worrying - besides all the stuff itself happening.

I can't get my head around a 5 year old child was hand cuffed for hours. And that it's justified officially, and privately.

I am shocked.

I'm not shocked. It's trump keeping us safe. Don't you feel safer? Also, he's covering another worrisome source of terror in our country. See here:

http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/

trump is amazing!!!

Wake up!!!


Shocking Video - Radical Islams Children
(Published on Jul 21, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8pHQSCisc

[Daozen]

Oh those terrible Muslims!

Who set up radical Islam? Oh right, it was Western Intellgence agencies. They installed Sadaam + funded the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Most Muslims are moderate, the fundamentalists are largely created by the hidden European powers. They're bankrolling Islamic religious extremism so they can have an excuse to drain Americans of tax money, with a never-ending war on Terror.

[TargeT]

Most Muslims are moderate, the fundamentalists are largely created by the hidden European powers. They're bankrolling Islamic religious extremism so they can have an excuse to drain Americans of tax money, with a never-ending war on Terror.

They weren't created by anyone, just taken advantage of.

Please remember the Sunni - Shia conflict & how long that's been going on for (forever).

I agree that most muslims are probably moderate, but it's hard to beleive that when your actually in the middle east, until you go there, into the mud hut villages and see how life is... how can you comment?


I've been there, it's not moderate, Kuwait was moderate.. Not Saudi, Not the AUE, not Iraq , Not Afghanistan.

[Chester]

Sam, thank you for this well thought out post. I have no argument with anything you posted. Just wanted to add that Yes, you are correct to state the very complicated thing of US actions in foreign country destabilization / interference.

I feel that because America was a melting pot of immigrants from it's inception, this further complicates things. We (the US) are in way, are those people being affected since many US immigrants still have extended families in other countries. It's like cognitive dissonance on a global level.

Yes, and just to note, my wife is a Colombian national. Her name is Cristina and I sometimes mention her here. We just completed a three year project for her immigration and the immigration of her daughter, Alejandra.

Cristina and I have been married for 15 years. She has nine siblings. I have a plethora of real life stories that I know are 100% true as I am personally involved with her family and their extended families.

I have lived most of the last 20 years in Central America and the Caribbean Island, Curacao. I came back to the US four years ago to help one of my sons who got into some big trouble (as no one else in the family stepped up). This is why I now live in Dallas and why we began the immigration process in October, 2013.

All the stories I have to tell that relate specifically to this broad subject which involves refugees, immigrants (documented and undocumented), visitors and anyone who travels to other countries are all based on my first hand experience or from a trusted source who shared with me their first hand experience. I take all this in mind when I make my posts.

Having said all this, my ideals and goals are super high. Yet also, I cannot see how to achieve any of these ideals or goals without doing so from all directions including the ground up as well as from within and if possible from anyone at the top (who brings forth true heart) down.

I desire to see the entire planet come out as a winner. All life, all human beings.

[Daozen]

They were created, installed and funded by Western Intelligence agencies. If they weren't actually created by them, radical Islam increased many times over with CIA and Mi6 funding.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/how-the-west-bankrolls-isis-millions-from-governments-and-ngos-funding-radical-islamic-terror-group-30438217.html
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/17/we_created_islamic_extremism_those_blaming_islam_for_isis_would_have_supported_osama_bin_laden_in_th e_80s/
http://in.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_fiction/2016/08/20/how-the-west-used-radical-islam-and-unleashed-global-terror_622551
https://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq-conflict-the-historical-background-/us-and-british-support-for-huss-regime.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/revealed-how-the-west-set-saddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/how-the-west-bankrolls-isis-millions-from-governments-and-ngos-funding-radical-islamic-terror-group-30438217.html



how can you comment?

I've been to Muslim countries, lived with Muslims, dated them, worked with them, taught them. You're not the only guy who's travelled. You know nothing about what countries I've been to.

The Muslims you met were probably angry that you were attacking them. Sticking a gun in someone's face, and blowing up their village tends to put people in a bad mood.

[abmqa]

Thanks again, turiya, for this thread and the theme of the thread maintained and supported by such excellent material as is found in Post #2237. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1131053&viewfull=1#post1131053) I wrote this post to emphasize post #2237 which I will comment on now.

I really shake my head in complete bewilderment that folks blindly follow and defend political players and their hollow words when their actions create and/or support the US policies that have played a creation and/or support role with regards to the very wars that result in the creation of the refugee situation in the first place... and these folks then demand we must support these refugees by claiming "this is our American values."

Is it our American values to consciously choose to remain ignorant as to what American actions do to create the very problem?

What a flat out "no-brainer" it is to see how utterly mindless folks can be.


Now I ask you this - has anyone in the media asked any refugee if they think America should play a destabilizing role in the region of their world? Does the media ask any of these refugees that if they had their wish, would they have preferred their country avoid the wars they find themselves a victim of? Does anyone in the media ask any of these refugees if they would have preferred their own countries manage their own internal situations without the intervention of overt and covert manipulation of their country's stability?

No one can argue that any of this "we must save the world America values" is justified by saying the victims had no choice with regards to their situation under reasons such as "they are victims of an evil ruler such as Assad" (with regards to Syria as an example) or that they are victims of being overrun by external enemies such as ISIS when external forces play a significant role in creating their situation because no one knows what would have happened if the external influence (a large amount of this caused by American actors) had not been applied.

Does anyone understand this?

Imagine if there were a country where no external actors played any role in outrages occurring in their country. Would it not make sense in these situations to consider how to help the innocent victims while also apply pressures on the internal forces that are causing the problem? Of Course... if we are actually caring people. Of Course. But when we play a critical role in creating the situation in the first place then everything else we might do no longer makes sense.

The solution is for the the US related folks stop creating and supporting destabilization. An extremely complicated "thing" to make happen as this activity is so entrenched in so many of the various groupifications (my word) that are made up of individuals who are somehow justifying to themselves their destabilization activities are somehow justified. This strange and senseless stream of consciousness that must be permeating so many of these groups has to be rooted out and reformed or this brief moment of hope for real change will end.

Where are the protestors against these America actors who are overtly and covertly creating these destabilizations?

I really wish anyone would debate this one issue with me. Please... bring something to this argument that can convince any rationally thinking individual that what seems so obvious is actually wrong... Please.






I find the pace worrying - besides all the stuff itself happening.

I can't get my head around a 5 year old child was hand cuffed for hours. And that it's justified officially, and privately.

I am shocked.

I'm not shocked. It's trump keeping us safe. Don't you feel safer? Also, he's covering another worrisome source of terror in our country. See here:

http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists/

trump is amazing!!!

Wake up!!!


Shocking Video - Radical Islams Children
(Published on Jul 21, 2015)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b8pHQSCisc

Absolutely Shocking, and so scary, I'm terrified. I guess that's the point huh? I didn't know these killer kids were organized, just thought them random acts of gun accidents. Drats! Right after I started feeling safer due to trump's initiatives you went and made me afraid again. Hope you are proud of yourself!

Oh and btw I noticed that the video was produced by the Clarion Project?

They have been accused of being anti-muslim..

The Southern Poverty Law Center described the organization as an anti-Muslim group, and the Muslim advocacy group Council on American–Islamic Relations said the group promotes Islamophobia in America.

Could it be propaganda?