Important announcement from Dr. Steven Greer...

[JoshuaM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPPzU-rqp4

[justntime2learn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPPzU-rqp4

I believe that's already been posted in the past few days.

I've watched the video three times and it's so exciting if it comes to pass.

I believe dr. Greer is right about the near complete destruction of the biosphere.

Can you imagine zero point for everyone on Earth in nine months?

Wouldn't it be great if they pull the concert off in three months?

Complete disclosure without a 5 year roll out/spin off from the government.

Bill Ryan is confident Dr. Greer has made 3 non-truths so perhaps 3 things will not be disclosed for the better.

Many blessings and I will be keeping my eyes open!

Here is the video: GlPPzU-rqp4

[NeedleThreader]

Not so sure what to make of this but I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...not in any challenging way whatsoever I'm just curious.

What does free energy mean to the human race? Will it end immeasurable suffering, or open up pandora's box like atlantis?

[Bill Ryan]

I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...

Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.


There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
There are no ET abductions.
The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

[WhiteLove]

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

Bill, my gut feeling is that it is "and other reasons" that is the primary rationale, am I far from the truth? I am thinking that there must be something more to this...

hzqDVOjtNhg

[NeedleThreader]

Bill, thank you for clarifying, as I totally agree with you that he is wrong on every single one of those counts. It would be insanely naive to argue otherwise given everything else that we think we know.

However, is it possible that he could be naively wrong about these things and right about many others?

It is my strong assumption that Greer believes he is a bit of a chosen one because he has brought a lot of this area to public light, probably not having had a negative ET/ UFO encounter, he ASSUMES that they are all good and too advanced to be working with the gov't.

I am REALLY starting to ask myself VERY hard if I truly believe that there REALLY are ETs working with the gov't. They have got to be advanced beyond comprehension and I find it hard to believe that if they truly wanted something from the human race, they would not need permission or have to work hand- in-hand with any gov't. That would be like humans wanting to manipulate ant colonies on an island and 'siding' with one in particular to control the rest.

Greer has at least somehow lassoed this issue strongly enough to start really doing something that's tangible it seems.

My two cents.

[WhiteLove]

All have unique perspectives on this and when facts are weak and many questions are left unanswered, belief system collisions tend to sometimes create debate due to disagreements, because each party sees the other's views as part of the problem or simply just problematic in the quest to find the truth. Greer has a pretty amazing list of achievements when it comes to the UFO and disclosure topic. I would much rather be in a reality where Greer has realized disclosure and it turned out he was wrong on a whole range of things, than the community rejecting his views and no disclosure has happened. Because I really feel that we need to get to the bottom of the UFO/disclosure/free energy/SAP... topics, to get to the truth. I think that is a very important step towards peace on earth.

But it is obvious to me that Greer is extremely passionate about bringing disclosure to the people and I think that's great...! On that video where he asked for help from the people by donating to "THE DISCLOSURE EVENT", I put myself in his shoes. He was incredibly authentic, fair and truthful in that video I found. I thought, sure buddy, I'll help you.

[justntime2learn]

Bill, thank you for clarifying, as I totally agree with you that he is wrong on every single one of those counts. It would be insanely naive to argue otherwise given everything else that we think we know.

However, is it possible that he could be naively wrong about these things and right about many others?

It is my strong assumption that Greer believes he is a bit of a chosen one because he has brought a lot of this area to public light, probably not having had a negative ET/ UFO encounter, he ASSUMES that they are all good and too advanced to be working with the gov't.

I am REALLY starting to ask myself VERY hard if I truly believe that there REALLY are ETs working with the gov't. They have got to be advanced beyond comprehension and I find it hard to believe that if they truly wanted something from the human race, they would not need permission or have to work hand- in-hand with any gov't. That would be like humans wanting to manipulate ant colonies on an island and 'siding' with one in particular to control the rest.

Greer has at least somehow lassoed this issue strongly enough to start really doing something that's tangible it seems.

My two cents.

I remember seeing a video with the honorable Paul T. Hellyer saying that there should be complete disclosure but added that there might be one or two things we wouldn't want to disclose publicly at first. If I remember which Paul Hellyer video it was I will edit this reply.

Perhaps Dr. Greer is intentionally or unintentionally holding back several facts ? What if he feels it would be too much for the public to accept complete disclosure & " There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
There are no ET abductions.
The US government has no current communication with any ET race."

Is what Bill is saying in any way connected to what the honorable Paul T Hellyer feels the public isn't quite ready for?

This scenario may be out there but what if Dr. Greer was threatened by the government to never disclose Communications between the US government and extraterrestrials.

The possibilities are endless and so is my imagination:idea:

[Mike Gorman]

I find Greer's approach to be largely self-serving. His ego is far too much invested in being an ultimate authority, he claims to know these creatures, be aware of their technology, their innate nature and a lot more besides.

I appreciated his 2001 project, staged in the Washington D.C Press Club, that was truly an inspiration and that has opened the topic in a serious light for many previously cynical commentators.

But the subsequent activity, that 'Sirius' documentary was deeply unsatisfying and filled with vague speculation.
If he had stuck to being a project manager of highly credible witness account, and a even a manager of that project-all would have been well; his entire disposition is a red flag to me. But if even 1% of his efforts result in the subject being accepted and discussed in the open, it is probably worth it.

[Bill Ryan]

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

Bill, my gut feeling is that it is "and other reasons" that is the primary rationale, am I far from the truth? I am thinking that there must be something more to this...

hzqDVOjtNhg

We did the interview in non-optimum conditions after Greer had literally crashed in on us (while we were talking with Henry Deacon and Bob Dean) and demanded his own interview. That was the morning after Kerry had published the following on the Camelot blog, here (http://projectcamelot.org/index_archive_6.html):




25 July 2009
• On Dr Steven Greer:

We listened to his presentation today and learned that he is stating to the world that the secret government has no ongoing dealings with any ET races -- the worst kind of disinfo. He is also telling people that ALL ETs and interdimensionals are positively oriented -- in other words STO (service-to-others) -- and this is also false. Many are friendly... but some are hostile.

The trouble with this type of approach is that it leaves the fate of Earth and humanity vulnerable to take over and interference by races who do not have our best interests in mind (or heart). In doing so, he ignores the critical issue of sovereignty for humanity and this planet within the galactic community.

We do not agree with Greer's position and consider this dangerous and insidious.

As a final statement, we were disappointed to learn that our interview request was declined by him: it would have been an interesting and valuable conversation.

--Kerry

That (above) in turn was the day after we'd realized what the truth really was about Greer. And he DID decline an interview, until he abruptly changed his mind after the blog piece above.

Important pieces were coming together very quickly. The interview was NOT a good one (it's the only one we ever did which I'd have like to have recorded again), but we received many messages of support. One highly respected UFO researcher, one of the very very best in the field, said to us privately and off-record:



There's something wrong with that man.
In subsequent years, we received further totally damning testimony — that cannot and will not be published in order to protect people whose lives would be in danger.

I will only say this, with 100% certainty: Greer is not who he says he is.

[Builder]

* The US government has no current communication with any ET race.


Maybe this statement is what keeps him alive?

[Bill Ryan]

* The US government has no current communication with any ET race.


Maybe this statement is what keeps him alive?

Or maybe out of jail.

[Nick Matkin]

[...]
I will only say this, with 100% certainty: Greer is not who he says he is.

Well that's an intriguing show stopper...!

As a mere arm-chair observer, all I can say is that I've noticed Greer has some interesting nervous ticks, seems to have a massive ego and is a very accomplished self-publicist.

Whether he is an overall force for good or not I cannot say - but like many others, I'd like to know.

[WhiteLove]

The interview was NOT a good one (it's the only one we ever did which I'd have like to have recorded again), but we received many messages of support.

I can understand this, the interview revealed Project Camelot was in contact with a false secret witness at the time: "12:30 We just heard from a secret witness there is around 10 months left of food until it runs out on the planet." One of the leading experts in the UFO community suddenly is told this by Project Camelot, he must have been pretty defensive inside at that point which I can understand... (the whole reason he wanted to have that interview since he had first rejected it was probably as a step to protect his credibility through an official response to the blog post Kerry did on him)

I think it is possible that Greer is simply overall just very protective about his credibility and he should be in his position...

Anyway, I think it was cool that you did this interview with him, I appreciate that a lot! (miss you on Project Camelot)

And, yes I do agree with Project Camelot that we cannot necessarily trust ALL the visitors to planet earth. But it appears that in the grander scheme of things we have had enough protection over thousands of years or the ETs around have been light enough not to destroy us through a sudden evil intervention. And that fact cannot be denied. So from that point of view it is logical to expect at least overall some must be of light nature.

I think that the day when we have open contact, it will happen by us collectively requesting such contact, in love and peace. This probably explains why Greer has had quite a lot of remarkable UFO sightings on his contact events, further suggesting that some of these UFOs appear when love is present, a sign that at least these UFOs might come here in love. But that does not also mean ALL UFOs come in love, that part we don't know...

What I strongly agree with Greer about is the fact that humanity must use peace on earth as a vehicle towards truth and as a vehicle when seeking to join the greater community out there.

[Michi]

Looking at the past interview with Project Camelot (and his newest video), I can't get myself rid of the impression that Greer is in essence a politician. :violin:

[Mitm]

My take on the whole ET thing, according to Anastasia's material, and according to Arthur Cristian, only accept "first party" data/sources... How can we truly know anything for sure? unless we experience it ourselves

There are no ET's period, NASA lies about everything, including maybe the true shape of the world. its all part of the "real NWO", "one-ness" new world religion. Anastasia does take Vladimir to another planet astrally, but I think this was just an analogy to show where our world is headed if we continue on the technocratic path.. Also it is mentioned in the books, that we "Man" can just using our thought, create life on other planets... in the 10th book Anastasias son designs a natural/organic spaceship...

[DNA]

* The US government has no current communication with any ET race.


Maybe this statement is what keeps him alive?

Or maybe out of jail.


I absolutely cherish it when you take such a strong stance on someone regardless of which way you go.
For what it is worth, although we have done thousands of hours of research on these subjects, but we have not been privy to the folks you have been privy to, as such I/we hold your opinion in very high regard when trying to decide the value of the various information sources out there.
We should start a Bill Ryan gladiator thread, where upon all we do is provide you with an information source and you give us the thumbs up or thumbs down.
I know enough from having read your posts that you would be diametrically opposed to this being as you want folks to come to their own conclusions, but I would like to put it out there just the same.

[Bill Ryan]

My take on the whole ET thing, according to Anastasia's material, and according to Arthur Cristian, only accept "first party" data/sources... How can we truly know anything for sure? unless we experience it ourselves

There are no ET's period, NASA lies about everything, including maybe the true shape of the world. its all part of the "real NWO", "one-ness" new world religion. Anastasia does take Vladimir to another planet astrally, but I think this was just an analogy to show where our world is headed if we continue on the technocratic path.. Also it is mentioned in the books, that we "Man" can just using our thought, create life on other planets... in the 10th book Anastasias son designs a natural/organic spaceship...

Wow.

Well, there may be a bit of a contradiction there.


How can we truly know anything for sure? unless we experience it ourselvesHow do you know Anastasia is real? I'm as sure as I can be the series of very popular books is an allegory: an important, valuable, but mythical story intended merely as a teaching tool.

The everything-we're-told-is-a-lie philosophy is intellectual laziness. We have to work quite hard sometimes to figure out what's true and what's not. The easy way out is to reject everything.

:focus:

[Mitm]

Touche Bill, though alot of people have been able to "connect" to her energy, and alot of what she predicted has come to pass..
With Arthur Cristian and his "don't believe anything til you experience it yourself" philosophy, its about having unique thoughts, what unique thought has a modern person ever had, that hasnt been put in our heads by 'others' parents, media, govt, society, etc, etc..
If you have every had an "enlightenment experience" you'll know that it is possible to have a "direct experience" with another lifeform, without the filter of what the ego has been taught... that is what its all about... its about the system, and how it is based on turning us into slaves, and about how nature can give us true freedom, without any form of a system.... I hope this all makes sense...

[mojo]

"...with a 100% certainty. Greer is not who he says he is... "

What an ending, and a real cliff hanger. My mind wanders...One might consider the many different meanings...

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Bill Ryan]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60223-Steven-Greer-s-core-team-has-apparently-left-him--long-report-by-Alfred-Webre-

Yes. Alfred Webre violated his own promise of confidentiality to post this, but what he wrote was true.

[NeedleThreader]

Yup, this is true. Greer did steal money and use it as his own. Many people and groups in his CE-5 communities were outraged and severed ties completely.

THIS DOES NOT CHANGE the fact these groups/or any loving group are capable of contacting ET craft because I have done this many times now. I have seen the golden ship with my own mother at one of these CE-5 gatherings that were initially organized by Greer many years ago, maybe when he was still legit. There are thousands of these groups around the world now today.

I would not be surprised if Greer has turned into con artist/thief, and after thinking about the video at the beginning of the thread for a few days now, I am asking what he was even trying to say that had any value in his message besides, 'we need your help, we need your support, GIVE ME YOUR $$$'.

I don't think that alien body in his movie Sirius is real either.

My guess is he got in way over his head with this thing and the gov't stepped in at some point and said " great, just keep doing what you have been but don't tell them the REAL truth about X,Y, & Z and you can keep your life. You can also try and shill these people for all the money you want too, but thats it, no more"

[Bill Ryan]

My guess is he got in way over his head with this thing and the gov't stepped in at some point and said " great, just keep doing what you have been but don't tell them the REAL truth about X,Y, & Z and you can keep your life. You can also try and shill these people for all the money you want too.

I don't know this as a fact, but that's my guess, too.

[NeedleThreader]

Bill, thank you for patiently showing me the way on this one.

[KiwiElf]

The key description in the Alfred Webre link above from Redstar Kachina may explain it all; (behavioural change etc)... "to buy drugs...", and I'm only talking moderate drugs here such as Ecstasy - By the time Sirius had become available, I noticed (as I'm sure many others did, too), a fundamental change in his persona, ego & erratic behaviour - this was not the same Greer... a good proportion of it was purely ego boosting and self absorbing.

I'm sorry to say it, but I think there may have been a little "honey trap" in there too (by way of the gym partner - why was he even included in the video?) Greer, like his gym buddy, suddenly came across as overtly gay IMO - no offense to anybody. Infatuations can take on many forms, and alter a person's behaviour dramatically, not necessarily sexual... just an "emperor's wearing no clothes" observation (no pun intended) ;)

[Bill Ryan]

Greer, like his gym buddy, suddenly came across as overtly gay IMO - no offense to any body.

Yes, he is. This is not a homophobic remark, but the significance is that at some point after his 2001 Washington Press Conference, his sexuality changed (he used to be a family man) — as well as the marked change in his body shape.

See this image. This is Greer on a gay contact site a few years ago (August 2009). His handle was DCMuscleWolf. When he realized this had been leaked, he canceled his account immediately. Independently of being sent this by someone, I was also contacted by a young man who [said they] had been in a gay sexual liaison with him via the same 'Manhunt' site.

I won't post it overtly... download at your discretion. Warning: this is sexually explicit, and may be offensive to some, with good reason.

http://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/hidden/Manhunt DCMuscleWolf Steven Greer.jpg

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

In fairness, if he appeared to became gay it could just be a natural thing. Many people from what I've observed (and not at all speaking from personal experience) don't accept (or maybe realise) they're gay until later in life. This could be what this is. Just a natural thing. It doesn't mean something subversive 'happened' to him.

[Nick Matkin]

Indeed, Star Mariner said it first.

To those not familiar with this subject, it is really very unlikely that anyone changes their sexuality.

For whatever reason they go with the flow, even get married and perhaps even have children. But they've always known that this isn't really expressing their true feelings, and as social attitudes change (at least in the West - and they realise this isn't a dress rehearsal, it's the real thing!), decide to form relationships that - at last - are fulfilling, meaningful and reflect true to their real feelings and who they really are.

We could paint Greer's 'change' with sinister overtones, but it could be something as simple as a human being reaching middle age who has decided to embrace his true sexuality before it's too late!

[KiwiElf]

In fairness, if he appeared to became gay it could just be a natural thing. Many people from what I've observed (and not at all speaking from personal experience) don't accept (or maybe realise) they're gay until later in life. This could be what this is. Just a natural thing. It doesn't mean something subversive 'happened' to him.

Totally agree Star Mariner & Nick. (And when I wrote the earlier post, I really had no idea that was the actual case until Bill confirmed it, nor was it intended in any way to be a homophobic comment - I couldn't give a toss if he's gay or not! Good for him. :)).

But... it would also put him in an "uncomfortable position" (for many reasons), especially if he's not openly "out",

ie this is complete speculation and just one possibility... from the get go, his wife was the primary financial support & breadwinner for Greer & his family. That may not be the case now, given that revelation, and he's got to finance himself somehow. With the evidence provided by Bill, that would make him ripe for manipulation or blackmail...

As many a closeted Hollywood actor or entertainer knows, (particularly if they're successful), even in this day and age of tolerance & over-the-top PC, being openly gay, unfortunately, still doesn't sell to big markets who are anti-gay (which would still include a large proportion of Western civilisation, most of Asia, Middle East, Russia and Africa). We see all too readily how this affects politicians and others in high places. The irony is, the stigma is still there and very real. It also doesn't collect a lot of donations, if you get my drift? ;)

[thepainterdoug]

there are several people ( 2 in particular I am thinking of,) in the field who are offering a book or a series of books, and then along side, a movie or a sequel to a movie. The funny thing is, if you have the real dope on the story, the real stuff most people are waiting to know, hear and have confirmed, it can be said in a paragraph.
There is something wrong when a person gives an interview and answers nothing as you are told to wait for the book and movie to be released.

[Starseed]

I knew Greer was full of it by meeting him in person. He had a fat cheap bodyguard to protect him (who could not wear a weapon but had a holster on his side). He was following him like a dirty sock around. He did not ring true. Then, there was his cell phone video on YouTube, which may still be there but I can't be bothered to check if it is still online, where you can see a bright star in the sky and he is filming it while his cell phone rings and he says: Hello? Hello?... Silence follows. But he is making it look like: "ET phone home!"

I think Dr Steven Greer is a great entertainer and loves himself. Humble is not part of his vocabulary and he certainly reminds me of Fox Mulder. "He wants to believe" but like many others, wants to make a business out of it and has done well with it, charging a little fortune for his SETI sessions or something like that (never been to one where I had to pay for it) and flying first class. Kudos to make money off the gullible people Ex-Dr Greer.

And I forgot the joke and embarrassing thing that is the Sirius documentary!

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I think Dr Steven Greer is a great entertainer and loves himself. Humble is not part of his vocabulary and he certainly reminds me of Fox Mulder. "He wants to believe" but like many others, wants to make a business out of it and has done well with it, charging a little fortune for his SETI sessions or something like that (never been to one where I had to pay for it) and flying first class. Kudos to make money off the gullible people Ex-Dr Greer.

In fact Greer reminds me more of David Wilcock. They are both essentially gunning for the same thing, whilst at the same time heavily endorsing themselves and their commercial interests.

But in either case, no matter their self-absorption, their transgressions or flawed personalities, (or whether or not they are gay) there is still something to be said for what in effect they have achieved. And that is increasing awareness. It cannot be disputed that they have both succeeded in increasing and enhancing public consciousness of the extra-terrestrial presence and of secret cover-ups, etc. Despite whatever deceits they may be guilty of - the lying and the back-stabbing and at times plain disinformation - despite all these problems and human short-comings (don't we all have them?), they are both doing something to push a cause that will eventually (hopefully) benefit all humanity.

[Nick Matkin]

Unfortunately I can't find it now, but somewhere there's a Greer video with some beeping noises coming from a $20 Radio Shack scanner and him claiming it's signals from Orion, Sirius, or some such absolute nonsense.

If he wants to be taken seriously by anyone with scientific knowledge, he's got to do much better than that. It's beyond pathetic.

If he just wants to impress those who are easily separated from their money, well cheap tricks like that might work...

[Agape]

5th amendment :ROFL: Reminds you of Billy's cave drawings :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89076-5-000yr-old-cave-painting-of-alien-craft-in-Hampi-India.&p=1067703&viewfull=1#post1067703

This your ancestor ...?

[PathWalker]

I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...

Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.


There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
There are no ET abductions.
The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.

Despite the above, we should consider any new information coming from him. Discerning the interest/position/situation Steven Greer has.
I believe his is a very courageous person. And he is cornered. He release/disclose what he can.

He is also mentioned by Kerry Cassidy as one of the ancestors/inspirations to project Camelot.

[onawah]

Greer certainly had a positive impact initially with the Disclosure Project, but what happened to him along the way from there to here brings up the question for me "can a soul be captured?"
And if not captured, then at least taken over in some way?
I would imagine that there would be many pitfalls and temptations along the way for such a one in the public spotlight, and the attention he attracted would not have all been positive, by any means.
Perhaps the person we see now in that body is not really the same person at all--literally.
It would be interesting to get a really good psychic's impressions of what's happened with Greer.
"Coming out" might have made him exceptionally vulnerable to less than benevolent influences.
I've known a few people who went through that process and it was certainly not easy--more like a complete and rather volcanic redo of their entire being.
And to do it at the time in Greer's life when he was already taking on so much could only have made him much more vulnerable to destructive forces from both within and without.
Not to make excuses for him at all--just speculating.

[giovonni]

Steven Greer's latest ...

will share this here


Coast To Coast AM - May 27, 2016

Ending UFO & Free Energy Secrecy

Host: Jimmy Church
Guests: Steven Greer

From candid presidential candidates to recent NASA and military whistleblowers, the forces suppressing truth can no longer hold back the floodgates of disclosure, says Dr. Steven Greer, who joined Jimmy Church (email), filling in for George. Greer, a leader in the global disclosure movement, leads the ultimate campaign that ends illegal UFO and free energy technology secrecy and embraces the beginning of a new civilization on Earth.

According to Greer, secrecy on disclosure has less to do with the acknowledgement of extraterrestrial intelligence and more to do with the forces which control technology, energy, and macro-economic conditions. "If this gets disclosed, it's the end of oil, and it's the end of coal, and it's the end of nuclear power and public utilities," he said. The technologies utilized by UFOs can usher in the next chapter in human development, he added.

Greer spoke about his hope for insiders on USAPs, Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, that deal specifically with the UFO/ET issue to come forward with our without the protection of an executive order. High-ranking officials, including the president and CIA Director, do not have access to these programs, he explained. "I think the public has to realize that this is a Constitutional crisis," he observed. Greer called for listeners who are, or know someone who is, working on zero point energy and over unity devices to contact him. He indicated some projects which show promise and can be validated would be funded and shared freely with the world.

------------------------------------------------

Open Lines followed in the second half of the program. Nathaniel in Salt Lake City told Jimmy about episodes of alien contact he has had throughout his life. Nathaniel recalled seeing two entities in his bedroom when he was two years old, and then later in life having some physical encounters on a craft with beings which appeared to be Grays. Jimmy from St. Louis reported on his alien abduction experiences. "I've actually had physical contact with an ET," he admitted, noting these encounters began when he was a teenager. According to Jimmy, the ETs use interferometric technology to tune into frequencies that are invisible to human senses. Blair in Sedona, Arizona, spoke about the 'Quarantine Enforcers' mentioned in Jim Marrs' book, Alien Agenda. These tiny artificial devices hover about an orbit around Earth and are the cause of many of our rocket failures, Blair suggested.

Program link page here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/05/27)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yRHyP0I5w

[onawah]

Although this may be true: "He is also mentioned by Kerry Cassidy as one of the ancestors/inspirations to project Camelot", she and Bill both had a dramatic turnaround in their views on Greer after the later marked change in his personality, accompanied by numbers of reports from his closest associates that he was no longer the same person and that they feared who he had become, that he was misappropriating funds, that he was lying, using and abusing those who had been his strongest supporters, who subsequently resigned.
Let's not be naive...ALL this should be taken into consideration!






I would love to know what Bill thinks are three non-truths of his...

Greer has stated on record the following. All of the statements are false.


There are no ETs that don't have the human race's best interests at heart.
There are no ET abductions.
The US government has no current communication with any ET race.

For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.


He is also mentioned by Kerry Cassidy as one of the ancestors/inspirations to project Camelot.

[onawah]

From Bill's post here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60223-Steven-Greer-s-core-team-has-apparently-left-him--long-report-by-Alfred-Webre-&p=689941&viewfull=1#post689941
Copied verbatim from http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ufoet-and.html

Dr. Greer reportedly improperly “skimmed” project funds for personal real estate.
Core insiders including Dr. Jan Bravo (portrayed as a supporter in Sirius) abandoned Dr. Greer prior to premiere. Some “in fear for their lives”.
“Dead Man’s Trigger” touted by Dr. Greer at outset of documentary is 33 page document (PDF below) containing apparent fabricated accusations.

By Alfred Lambremont Webre

As a result of a 3-month investigation including core supporters of film, UFO/ET, and New Energy projects led by Dr. Steven Greer, [Sirius documentary, Disclosure Project, Orion Project] Exopolitics.com is reporting preliminary evidence of apparent project financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer that led to the departure of his long-time core team, including Dr. Jan Bravo, portrayed in Sirius as a supporter of Dr. Greer, when in fact she had reportedly disaffiliated with Dr. Greer prior to the premiere of the documentary Sirius.


Dr. Jan Bravo, MD

One Exopolitics.com confidential source in direct contact with former Greer core team members stated,
“[Steven Greer’s] core team has left. Besides the drugs..., he's [Greer’s] been taking the money meant for disclosure and free energy and using it to buy personal real estate, drugs.... His [Greer’s] core team is really hurting, feel like they've left a cult. He's [Greer’s] turned on some of them maliciously and they are fearful of what he might do to them. They described also how they had many researchers come forth with viable technologies that Steven turned away because he wanted to use the $$ for other things - which turned out to be the aforementioned. Really sad all around.”
Referring to Drs. Jan Bravo and other core team members, the Exopolitics.com confidential source stated,
“Imagine how miserable it's been for them [Drs. Jan Bravo] having to finally pull the plug on supporting the whole UFO/ET movement because Greer essentially hijacked the whole thing out of a perverted sense of pathological self-interest. Specifically, Jan has sacrificed her entire career and livelihood to move the entire UFO/ET movement forward as far as it has gone.”

Greer core team threatened and “afraid for their lives” after disaffiliating

The confidential Exopolitics.com source stated that some core team members who had disaffiliated with Dr. Greer were afraid for their lives. At one point, the source stated,
“The people who have left Greer's team are afraid for their lives. One of them had his brakes cut, etc.”
The confidential Exopolitics.com source also stated that former Greer associate Dr. Jan Bravo had been threatened following her disaffiliation with Dr. Greer.
“Jan Bravo said that she came home today to find on her front foyer some streaks of blood...and it didn't come from the dog. She considered it a warning and no more.”
“Jan doesn't want to alter her life. She interprets it as defeat if she has to change her way of life.”
When reached directly by Exopolitics.com for comment Dr. Jan Bravo and two other core team members did not reply. Through the intermediary confidential Exopolitics.com source with whom Exopolitics.com had been dialoguing with Dr. Jan Bravo, Dr. Bravo stated,
“Jan [Dr. Jan Bravo] reiterated not to take action, especially by going public with anything shared to date…. unless it's Woolsey [former CIA Director James Woolsey] getting directly involved.... Greer [Dr. Steven Greer] has been throwing Woolsey's name around ever since Jim made the mistake of allowing Greer to join him and three other people for dinner, and Greer has blamed Woolsey for all sorts of stuff like blocking inventors from going forward with their technologies...complete B.S.”

Sirius film crew reportedly acknowledges Greer skimming project funds

The confidential Exopolitics.com source reported,
"Interesting meeting with the Sirius film production crew yesterday. They already knew he was skimming funds off the top from the Sirius pot of money."

Sirius documentary: Fabrications in Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”

At the outset of the Sirius documentary, Dr. Greer greatly touts his “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a document he has created setting out individuals who might be responsible for his demise in the event that he was assassinated or threatened.

A copy of Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger”, a 33 page PDF document, obtained by Exopolitics.com in the course of this news investigation can be downloaded at the link below.

As featured in documentary film "Sirius", "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer



To download "Dead Man's Trigger" by Dr. Steven Greer (33 pages PDF), please click below:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/steve.greer.dead.mans.trigger.pdf



ARTICLE URL:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ven-greer.html

The bulk of the “Dead Man’s Trigger” may have a familiar ring to those who are versed in Dr. Greer’s writings and speeches and simply repeats the assertions that are made in the Sirius documentary, in Dr. Greer’s speeches and books obtainable at the Disclosure Project website.

One specific fabrication of note in the Greer “Dead Man’s Trigger” is, however, that the individuals Todd Hathaway and Pete Sumaruck would be putatively responsible for any demise of Dr. Greer.

Exopolitics.com has been informed that Todd Hathaway is in fact one of the individuals who has been comforting Dr. Jan Bravo after her disaffiliation from Dr. Greer. According to a confidential source, “If the day comes where all this comes out, the inventor who stood up to Greer is Pete Sumaruck.”

Therefore, it would appear that Dr. Greer’s “Dead Man’s Trigger” is actually structured around a false and misleading premise. In fact, the two individuals cited by Dr. Greer as being a putative “cause” of any demise of Dr. Greer are in fact (a) an individual who is giving comfort to Dr. Jan Bravo, a former Greer affiliate who reports having been threatened; and (b) a New Energy inventor who “stood up to Dr. Greer”.


Steven Greer, UFO/ET Disclosure & the Transhumanist Agenda

As stated in a recent Exopolitics.com article that focused on Dr. Steven Greer and two other specific opinion leaders in the UFO/ET movement, “The brain-mind entrainment data presented in this article, while preliminary in nature, raises prima facie questions about the future of the Exopolitical movement. If it is factually true that such opinion leaders in the UFO/ET "Disclosure" movement are brain-mind entrained due to manipulatory extraterrestrial or military-intelligence advance nanotechnology and hence acting out their controller's agendas, then this fact needs to be publicly exposed and discussed.” [1]

The preliminary evidence gathered in this Exopolitics.com article from direct eyewitnesses witnesses to financial improprieties by Dr. Steven Greer ranging from long time core supporters to the Sirius documentary film crew and some of whom are in fear for their lives gives rise to a prima facie presumption that they are being truthful.

One of the conclusions of the Exopolitics.com study on the Transhumanist Agenda in the UFO/ET movement stated, “The anomalous eye and body movements of Messrs. Bassett, Huneeus, and Greer may be the result of remote advanced nano-mind control technology applied by military-intelligence agencies. Under this alternative, the brains, neurological systems, and personalities of Bassett, Huneeus and Greer are entrained by military-intelligence nano-mind control technologies to act out agendas of these agencies that in turn may be cybernetically directed by predatory dimensional extraterrestrials.” [2]

If in fact as the forensic evidence suggests, Dr. Greer is under brain entrainment and cybernetic control, and hence acting out an agenda of military intelligence agencies and/or predatory dimensional extraterrestrials, then this development may represent a public peril of the first order. It is difficult to speculate whether this brain-mind entrainment may have led to the reported financial irregularities by Dr. Greer. It seems clear, from the threats that former Greer former team members are subjected to, that some sinister force is attempting to ensure that these witnesses do not speak out.

Dr. Greer, the Sirius documentary and the Disclosure Project have a wide public profile. Such an opinion leadership makes Dr. Greer an ideal candidate for promoting “pseudo-disclosure”, or a continuation of demands for “official disclosure” that ensure that whistleblowers from actual, longstanding U.S-Extraterrestrial liaison and visitation programs are sidelined.


[1] UFO/ET Citizen Hearing witnesses Bassett, Huneeus and Greer’s anomalous eye movements may indicate brain-mind entrainment by manipulatory extraterrestrials or advanced military-intelligence nanotechnology as part of a global control agenda

By Alfred Lambremont Webre

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopoli...ment-by-p.html

[2] Ibid.


Last edited by Bill Ryan; 19th June 2013 at 12:19.

[onawah]

And more on this earlier in this very thread:

[http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90645-Important-announcement-from-Dr.-Steven-Greer...&p=1068209&viewfull=1#post1068209

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
"For this and other reasons, Project Avalon cannot support the work of Steven Greer as either well-intentioned or reliable.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg
We did the interview in non-optimum conditions after Greer had literally crashed in on us (while we were talking with Henry Deacon and Bob Dean) and demanded his own interview. That was the morning after Kerry had published the following on the Camelot blog, here:"

25 July 2009
• On Dr Steven Greer:

We listened to his presentation today and learned that he is stating to the world that the secret government has no ongoing dealings with any ET races -- the worst kind of disinfo. He is also telling people that ALL ETs and interdimensionals are positively oriented -- in other words STO (service-to-others) -- and this is also false. Many are friendly... but some are hostile.

The trouble with this type of approach is that it leaves the fate of Earth and humanity vulnerable to take over and interference by races who do not have our best interests in mind (or heart). In doing so, he ignores the critical issue of sovereignty for humanity and this planet within the galactic community.

We do not agree with Greer's position and consider this dangerous and insidious.

As a final statement, we were disappointed to learn that our interview request was declined by him: it would have been an interesting and valuable conversation.

--Kerry

"That (above) in turn was the day after we'd realized what the truth really was about Greer. And he DID decline an interview, until he abruptly changed his mind after the blog piece above.

Important pieces were coming together very quickly. The interview was NOT a good one (it's the only one we ever did which I'd have like to have recorded again), but we received many messages of support. One highly respected UFO researcher, one of the very very best in the field, said to us privately and off-record:
There's something wrong with that man.
In subsequent years, we received further totally damning testimony — that cannot and will not be published in order to protect people whose lives would be in danger.

I will only say this, with 100% certainty: Greer is not who he says he is.

[giovonni]

Will ... :bump:


Steven Greer's latest ...

will share this here


Coast To Coast AM - May 27, 2016

Ending UFO & Free Energy Secrecy

Host: Jimmy Church
Guests: Steven Greer

From candid presidential candidates to recent NASA and military whistleblowers, the forces suppressing truth can no longer hold back the floodgates of disclosure, says Dr. Steven Greer, who joined Jimmy Church (email), filling in for George. Greer, a leader in the global disclosure movement, leads the ultimate campaign that ends illegal UFO and free energy technology secrecy and embraces the beginning of a new civilization on Earth.

According to Greer, secrecy on disclosure has less to do with the acknowledgement of extraterrestrial intelligence and more to do with the forces which control technology, energy, and macro-economic conditions. "If this gets disclosed, it's the end of oil, and it's the end of coal, and it's the end of nuclear power and public utilities," he said. The technologies utilized by UFOs can usher in the next chapter in human development, he added.

Greer spoke about his hope for insiders on USAPs, Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, that deal specifically with the UFO/ET issue to come forward with our without the protection of an executive order. High-ranking officials, including the president and CIA Director, do not have access to these programs, he explained. "I think the public has to realize that this is a Constitutional crisis," he observed. Greer called for listeners who are, or know someone who is, working on zero point energy and over unity devices to contact him. He indicated some projects which show promise and can be validated would be funded and shared freely with the world.

------------------------------------------------

Open Lines followed in the second half of the program. Nathaniel in Salt Lake City told Jimmy about episodes of alien contact he has had throughout his life. Nathaniel recalled seeing two entities in his bedroom when he was two years old, and then later in life having some physical encounters on a craft with beings which appeared to be Grays. Jimmy from St. Louis reported on his alien abduction experiences. "I've actually had physical contact with an ET," he admitted, noting these encounters began when he was a teenager. According to Jimmy, the ETs use interferometric technology to tune into frequencies that are invisible to human senses. Blair in Sedona, Arizona, spoke about the 'Quarantine Enforcers' mentioned in Jim Marrs' book, Alien Agenda. These tiny artificial devices hover about an orbit around Earth and are the cause of many of our rocket failures, Blair suggested.

Program link page here (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/05/27)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6yRHyP0I5w

[onawah]

I think that any inventors with over unity devices should be cautioned about contacting Greer, given the many negative reports that have surfaced about him... It seems likely that would be a trap positioned by secret government insiders who could be controlling Greer, in a masked ploy to actually keep such devices from the public.
Has he gone from leader in the disclosure movement to wolf in sheep's clothing? That would be the question I would ask myself before I would trust Greer with anything so important.


Greer spoke about his hope for insiders on USAPs, Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, that deal specifically with the UFO/ET issue to come forward with our without the protection of an executive order. High-ranking officials, including the president and CIA Director, do not have access to these programs, he explained. "I think the public has to realize that this is a Constitutional crisis," he observed. Greer called for listeners who are, or know someone who is, working on zero point energy and over unity devices to contact him. He indicated some projects which show promise and can be validated would be funded and shared freely with the world.

[giovonni]

I think that any inventors with over unity devices should be cautioned about contacting Greer, given the many negative reports that have surfaced about him... It seems likely that would be a trap positioned by secret government insiders who could be controlling Greer, in a masked ploy to actually keep such devices from the public.
[I]

Greer spoke about his hope for insiders on USAPs, Unacknowledged Special Access Programs, that deal specifically with the UFO/ET issue to come forward with our without the protection of an executive order. High-ranking officials, including the president and CIA Director, do not have access to these programs, he explained. "I think the public has to realize that this is a Constitutional crisis," he observed. Greer called for listeners who are, or know someone who is, working on zero point energy and over unity devices to contact him. He indicated some projects which show promise and can be validated would be funded and shared freely with the world.


Natalie, I believe in your last several post you've made your positional stance on Dr Greer quite clear ... And I've personally heard a lot of questionable things in regards to Dr. Greer's character ... Though I will say - I don't consider him or his mission evil.

[onawah]

When it comes to Greer, it's not been easy to come to terms with my current stance.
I thought the Disclosure Project was awesome (and it was!) and I once belonged to the international group that was inspired by him to go out once a month on a certain night to make Contact.
I succeeded on two occasions in doing that, and it made me feel confident that Greer was an integral man, and on the right track.
However, I have also had experiences with negatively oriented ETs, and that and the way that Greer's behavior changed so radically forced me to reluctantly reconsider, as did Bill's and Kerry's and Alfred Webre's and others' perspectives.
My late mentor Dr Christopher Hills once said that spiritual naivety is a very dangerous thing.
People wanting to be more spiritual think that to believe what makes them feel safe and comfortable is wisdom, and that often leads to overlooking information that is dangerous to overlook.
It is a time of great testing for the human race; true wisdom and discernment are the best protection from spiritual naivety.
The controllers are very devious and skillful in manipulating public opinion and there are too many instances of whistleblowers being subverted and/or outwitted into furthering the controllers' causes.
Until Greer proves otherwise, I will continue to think his character has been called into question, and with obvious good reason.

[giovonni]

I believe - We are all human beings trying to become human ... :)

[onawah]

Unless we're actually not human, but something else in a human body, some of which reportedly despise humans...

[giovonni]

I believe - We are all human beings trying to become human ... :)


Unless we're actually not human, but something else in a human body, some of which reportedly despise humans...

Whatever 'we' were prior to this dimension of experiences, I sense all humans have the potential of becoming - once in the cellular body ... I've meet many so called alternative gurus over the years and none displayed a flawless character ... As a human being trying to become human - it is very easy and common to despise fellow human behaviors ... How one behaves and deals with this experience - I sense determines what 'we' become after 'we' move on from it.

I suggest reading or (rereading) ...

Handbook for the New Paradigm - George Green - Part 1 of 6


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcoZ80c8px4

[onawah]

Thanks Gio. I have read it a couple of times and recommended it many times.
I also highly recommend Bill Ryan's work here on Avalon, and his plain and honest words and warnings about things he knows about first hand, even if he can't always tell all that he knows, and what can happen to innocent people when that information is totally suppressed.
If I knew an inventor who had a zero point technology device he wanted to get out to the public, I would want him to connect with someone who had not had his staff quit due to lies, financial mismanagement, and fear for their lives.
It's not about destroying Greer--he seems to be doing that quite well himself, and I certainly hope that he will stop for his own sake as well as everyone else's; it's about damage control and protecting innocent people who could end up misled and victimized by him.

[giovonni]

Thamks I'v met Bill Ryan ...

Even served him tea and honey.

Giggle :)

[Agape]

When it comes to Greer, it's not been easy to come to terms with my current stance.
I thought the Disclosure Project was awesome (and it was!) and I once belonged to the international group that was inspired by him to go out once a month on a certain night to make Contact.
I succeeded on two occasions in doing that, and it made me feel confident that Greer was an integral man, and on the right track.
However, I have also had experiences with negatively oriented ETs, and that and the way that Greer's behavior changed so radically forced me to reluctantly reconsider, as did Bill's and Kerry's and Alfred Webre's and others' perspectives.
My late mentor Dr Christopher Hills once said that spiritual naivety is a very dangerous thing.
People wanting to be more spiritual think that to believe what makes them feel safe and comfortable is wisdom, and that often leads to overlooking information that is dangerous to overlook.
It is a time of great testing for the human race; true wisdom and discernment are the best protection from spiritual naivety.
The controllers are very devious and skillful in manipulating public opinion and there are too many instances of whistleblowers being subverted and/or outwitted into furthering the controllers' causes.
Until Greer proves otherwise, I will continue to think his character has been called into question, and with obvious good reason.


Hello Natalie .. I tend to agree with you on the 'inside' and those agendas and affairs surrounding the CSETI and Dr Greer in last few years rise many question marks and alerts too,
as it almost always does when people start 'taxing information' by money and making friends with the 'rich and powerful'.

As Gio said he's far from being isolated example of guru collecting thousands of $$$ for 'special sessions' that only few people can afford to pay .

On the other end of things and where honesty is concerned .. I can but say from my own experience and having to deal with the 'human establishment' , he's probably done his job to 200% ,
if the 'human establishment' did not respond in any valid manner it's their failure not ours.
Speaking of the Disclosure project and CSETI initiative, those are both great and legally acceptable ideas that should have met with quality response and investigation from the 'government' and from 'scientific community'.

I've walked the same trail although in much smaller shoes and narrow path but what I mean , I'm not a terrorist . I'm also not a liar, a jester , a freak , and whatever bad names does the presence in the alternative community possibly give me in front of some 'better known' people.
It takes not only much strength to resist the evil but also more wisdom than we actually have in dealings with 'human society' to understand that one MUST protect his/her character from abuse, character abuse , intellectual and emotional abuse ,
to prevent 'them' from turning you to ruthless animal .

You may start very high with your perspective as 'being' , I can't agree with Gio that everyone is/are 'humans wanting to be but human' ,
it may fit with the multitudes but is not what the 'disclosure' has been all about , actually ,
nevertheless , you may start pure and enlightened and allow people 'experimenting' with your information ( quite like if they took you to lab and tried to cross breed you with monkey ) , little by little , relativising your truth , the truth that was meant to help them actually .
You don't want this to happen but once you're captured and dragged by the human crowd/stream , like car in jam on highway , you can't escape really .
In human world , it's quantity over quality .. winning the race many times, the 'power of masses' .
Crowd mentality /psychology takes intelligence level down in many points . There may be many talented and extraordinary people present in the 'crowd' but while being part of its movement they're almost invisible and become subordinate to the 'crowd mentality' .

The information that exists, from the ET side on serious note belongs to science and should be communicated and approached from scientific perspective
to get any true meaning at all.

The 'human establishment' failed to respond to us, as far as i'm aware of , they failed , not 'we failed' .
You can't blame all the problem on few sincere individuals who wanted to make ET information available if the whole human scientific establishment fails all attempts for decent communication ?

What does it help to brief 'director of CIA' and others in the legal and intelligence apparatus if the same people are not scientifically oriented or inclined ,
how would they 'approach an ET' ?
ET is not a collection of 'top secret papers' .

We are ( also ? ) living beings . We do not endanger humanity . We're but few here and tried to help , as far as I'm aware of.
There may be few 'bad apples' somewhere and those who got seriously hurt and confused and did they turn against human society , it's possible but for the rest of us ,
how much does anyone admit or treat any of 'our kind' with dignity ,

on your internet forums for example , how many people are even capable of opening their minds to the option ?

See what I mean ?

It's why everyone honest is leaving here at the end , not because we are cowards but exactly to avoid the pangs of extreme naivety that made us tolerate hurts so long that at the end we found ourselves crippled ,
and that's not a metaphor . I've seen the same thing and impact it had on those like Barry King over the years , or me personally ,
dealing with this 'public movement' and its gurus , countless 'opinions' that are existentially fake and failed because people who assume their right to 'knowing' , knowing you without having any freaking idea who are you or yours ,
the level of 'mind control' and 'programming' within the leaders of this community ( famous alternative researches and media and exopolitics propagators ) is soaring high .
There's no 'open minded' research going on in here anymore, for the most of it .. and if you look to the 'grass root' organisations like the MUFON and various local 'UFO research' groups and 'abduction counsellors' they are all in the drag of the same agenda .

Of course it's wrong but it also shows the 'intelligence' of the 'community' where proposed sorting of the problem is concerned,
and while there are few academically endowed individuals present each time , they all back off , shy away, 'no sorry , not me , not this time ..' and watch how the problematics ends up in hands of charlatans ,
how cutting edge technologies are not available but 'public joe' is left to communicate with ET through pendulums and resistance meters .

Where does it take us really ? To lala land ?


It's the arrogance of todays academia and science if they can't be approached or bothered with this , in theory and practice and their sarcastic grip is the easiest to copy from any and all of your 'internet gurus' . Every 4 year old can mimic a sarcasm but very few can do the maths.


:angel:

[Agape]

There's something that todays young won't get time to notice even and many of the 'old timers' of 'ufology' either forgot , due to their share of amnesia and alzheimers or simply , continue tolerating .. being 'in the drag' .

The information field has flipped , principally, cordially , over the years from where these people started , decades ago and it's confusing to some of them , especially those who called it a quit .

The 'core' of the trouble for 'UFO investigators' still 20 or 30 or more years ago was 'incredulity of evidence' .
Some if not most of these 'old timers' got stuck in the same avenues to this day .
They seem to be dumbed by the same communal approach oppressing most of us , overwhelmed by the public conviction following them .

Of course there's no end to 'absence of evidence' and people being 'creative' , there's probably more psycho-spiritual creativity in the game than ever which is what the 'controllers' won't ever see straight ( and vice versa, talking of many different 'versions of human mentality' here ) ,
there are people who have almost very good control of themselves but inherently, can not imagine .
They can not imagine or intuit to other people and 'how ' do the other people live their lives, high on imaginations. Vice versa, those who live very imaginative , creative lives sometimes , can't intuit or feel for the tough and flat rationality of 'plane humans' who never saw out of the box .
There are also more drugs nowadays, more dangers coming from all sides that will obscure and obfuscate any piece of non-human information .

But the flip has happened already , the 'disclosure' has happened. From the ET side , some of the information was offered in open manner , as a beacon of hope for communication with mankind .

It's what I can attest to , and what we've all seen happening over the last 20 years ..

much of what's available now was non-existent then .

The 'flip' ( or shift ) has happened, information wise but human mentalities do not change that easily .
The 'old timers' , some of them at least , are still living in their 'old times' , suspicious of each other, of hoaxes , of anyone claiming anything to be fake
because they grew up in times when analysing information took much longer, before everything became digital.

Then, at least from I know and what I've read .. the 'blame' tended to be on the witness .
Witnesses were in some cases simple minded individuals, could be blamed for weakness of brain function,
others were liars trying to make money out of their fancy stories , stories still circling the net to this day as 'major cases' ,
witnesses who did not want to be questioned and investigated . People without clue.


Nowadays .. the same researchers are still here dwelling on the same stories only forgot to notice that change has happened.

Most of this 'movement' seems to stand on methods of 'dealing with fakes' , hard to get rid of .

Any genuine testimony is treated in the same manner , MINE WAS , for that sake .
Which could not surprise me a lot considering the gullibility of public opinion.

People capable of 'smart lies' get the high scores here as they do in any business today, people who can name 'important contacts' on their list and back themselves with military ranks that qualify them for 'big statements' .

I've seen many 'individuals' , some anonymous and small like you and I , coming through here over the years with serious statements no one has ever bothered to record or facilitate , all being thrown to the 'experiencers hole' or 'write a book hole' and many of those who are what you claim them to be 'experiencers' , hopefully do that . 'Experience themselves' and 'write books' .

But like any MASS endeavour , the movement becomes undiscerning scam of information where nothing has been processed as it should ,

where the 'truth' of where ET information starts and ends and where the gallons of your human opinion continue can't be separated from each other easily .


Character and discernment start from within, not from 'what your mother tells you' . And while those are purely absent , there's nothing that can be proved .


Just forward it to most of your 'gurus' and tell them to put their own arrogance and 'omniscience' behind if they want to proceed and tell them not to be angry
because someone coming from the other world
not in agreement with their lies.

:sun:



I would only add this much .. IF I want to escape the law of bad karma that has accumulated by the years of lies being thrown at me ,
white lies or grey lies , it does not make big difference at the end ,
I will have to run .

Because I was in situation where I could only stand for myself , for most of it, practically speaking and totally honest .
This movement has relativised every piece of truth , every piece of my dignity, identity, compromised the good feeling about me right from the start .

Even as I'm writing this now I have to shield myself mentally from feeling beaten by those brutes ready to call me anything if they get the option.

It's brutal , it's graceless and I've done much to compromise my well being here . For the love of mankind , that's right .

And where it comes to my practical life it was taken along those lines .. from the path of discovery and walking with pride to feeling scared of human society , to extreme .

If it was not for the power of 'cover up' and some good loving friends we always have ..
the ET intelligence would have to catapult itself and who knows , it will .


And you'll be watching it as you do till now, and saying it's 'not true' , 'not true' , 'we are all shills' , hear the 'gays talk' , 'not true' ,

almost 200 Tibetans died after putting themselves on fire in protest of China and for their homeland, that's also 'not true' .
The Tianmen massacre is now omitted from Google search results because Google needs to do business in China so that's also 'not true' .

Thousands of jihadists suiciding themselves and young people all over the world doing the same thing , wakes up anybody ?

It's all 'not true' .

So what is the truth , what 'karma' is this mankind accumulating ?



I did not know who is behind this movement , I hoped to speak to researchers, not 'gurus' watching from behind , judging things as they wish, never listening ,
it was waste of ten years of my life and there are those who are responsible.

[onawah]

If my posts have appeared to be an attack on Dr. Greer, hopefully this post will be more clear.
What I really think is not that Greer is a bad guy, but that the man who created the Disclosure Project is no longer in that body, or at least, has been overpowered by some kind of Archonic or perhaps Reptilian being.
Of course, this is just my own opinion, but it is based on a couple of things, one being my own experience of having a "discarnate entity" (or Archon) in my own body from the time I was about 3 years old until my late 20s.
A being that came through my alcoholic father and tried to take full possession of my body and my will.
It succeeded for a time, but I struggled and eventually, with the help of someone who was skilled in that particular kind of healing, was able to eject it.
I think something similar has happened to Greer, but I think the attack on him has been much more serious, given the prominence of his work in Disclosure.
As Agape is a first hand witness to, anyone who publicly goes up against the established way of thinking about ETs is likely to be subjected to all kinds of attacks, the price being anything from one's peace of mind to one's life, or even worse.
I have lots of empathy for anyone who goes through this.
But humankind is going through an extraordinary period of testing, and we must be vigilant to every aspect of what this entails.
Ignorance is only one failing we are subject to--complacency and despair are just as dangerous.
Compassion, vigilance and discernment are necessary to win the battle for our sovereignty, but staying in our comfort zone may not always be possible,
I think we also have to be very strong and determined, even if it means looking at what makes us fearful and uncomfortable or stretches our credulity to the limits.

[KiwiElf]

I've been following Greer since he began in the mid 90's and I think his work & research was mostly, pretty good! :). I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this (and nor do I with Wilcock or Ben Fulford for that matter). Are any of us the same as we were 20 years ago???

Whatever Greer is now doesn't change the good work that he did (or is) doing. I'll bypass his 3 points that don't add up as mentioned by Bill. They're just a few bad apples amongst a lot of really good ones. I'm just a little more weary of his motives these days - and I'm certainly not prepared to donate him a dime (or Wilcock, Ben or Corey either!) ;).

The "new tech" free energy will come with or without Dr Greer. It's an inevitability. It just won't happen tomorrow. :)

[giovonni]

Regarding ...


I believe - We are all human beings trying to become human ... :)


Then there is this regarding mankind's free will ...


A disturbing fact in the universe

The human will is a disturbing fact in the universe. perhaps because it is the supreme Fact. The crowned head can never rest easy; a subject world, whether within or without man, always holds possibilities of rebellion. But it is precisely this deliberate will that gives man dominion over the whole of creation, including himself. It is the key link in that beautifully forged chain of being that stretches from the crudest form of existence up through the glory of the angels to the splendor that is God.

A disturbing fact in human life

Of course it is a disturbing fact in human life. It is a constant reminder that we are human; and sometimes that comes hard. It would seem so much easier to look on our selves as machines, to lose ourselves in the dreamy softness of emotionalism, to let down the barriers to animalism very easy, very weak, and very cowardly. But if it is a constant goad driving us on to be worthy of our humanity, it is also a constant defense against the horror of despair and the filth of license. It boldly stamps all of human activity with the human trademark — “mine”; the mark of control, of proprietorship, of pride as well as of responsibility.

The human will is disturbing for it makes us full sharers in the divine perfection: capable of knowing and acting as God does, through intellect and will; of sharing in the work of divine providence as no other member of the physical universe shares, completing that image of God in the physical universe. We alone, of all these creatures. have the power to rise to direct possession of God, For we alone, of all these creatures, have the power to rise in open rebellion against that God and continue in that rebellion for eternity.

There's lots that has already been spoken for moving beyond full disclosure ...

Summary: Quotes from famous people regarding UFOs (http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1358.htm)

[Bluegreen]

It just won't happen tomorrow. :)

It might
:)

[KiwiElf]

It just won't happen tomorrow. :)

It might
:)

(4 days later...) Tehe... it didn't ... :p sorry, couldn't resist :)

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