I would really like to know....

[Teakai]

....what the much darker picture is that Bill keeps hinting at, but doesn't tell.

Does anyone know what it is?

Bill, will you tell?

[witchy1]

could take a guess if ya want?

[Teakai]

could take a guess if ya want?

Aww, love ya Witchy, but I was really hoping for facts - or close to the facts :).
Bill seems to be sure that there's something much darker going on. So, I'm just wondering how dark the facts can get because there's been some pretty dark suggestions already.

Does Bill fear that we cannot handle the facts?
Or must we figure out the facts for ourselves from our own research?
Twice I have read Bill say that it is something much darker (darker than human devouring reptillians and non compassionate greys and manmade human zombies - one of my rather imaginative guesses :lol:)

Curioser and curioser.

[witchy1]

.........an the dead will rise from the grave.

[truthseekerdan]

....what the much darker picture is that Bill keeps hinting at, but doesn't tell.

Does anyone know what it is?

Bill, will you tell?

Yeah, he just needs to adjust the "exposure time"...:lol:

[witchy1]

C'mon Bill, we know you are there...........no pressure

[Teakai]

.........an the dead will rise from the grave.


I take it you're not a Christian then, Witchy? :lol:

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C'mon Bill, we know you are there...........no pressure

A little bit of pressure.

You could put up a warning sign so that people can choose to look or not.

[witchy1]

I take it you're not a Christian then - Nah, certainly not, never even been to sunday church. my impulse was to launch into a tirade on the subject, but see how I've reigned in my impulses. There are many good people with this faith :nod:

This used to be the most scary thing I ever heard..........now Im all grown up - there's a whole shi** load of worse stuff out there.:behindsofa:

Hey Bill, it doesnt need to be verified from any trusted source---------- just your thoughts - go on, go on, go on, go on, go on......................

[Hiram]

- Nah, certainly not, never even been to sunday church. my impulse was to launch into a tirade on the subject, but see how I've reigned in my impulses. There are many good people with this faith :nod:



I love to hear a reasonable and thoughtful person:) I too have moved passed criticizing others for their beliefs. Its a pointless expenditure of energy...and it doesn't come from a good place.

I focus more on my own experience. That's enough for any one person to deal with.
----------
I would guess Bill it sorting out this mess just like all the rest of us. Sometimes it takes a while to get your thoughts together before they are ready to present to others.

Better to say nothing and be absolutely sure of what you say...when you say it.----then to speak rashly, and fail to have the whole story.

[Hughe]

Aww, love ya Witchy, but I was really hoping for facts - or close to the facts :).
Bill seems to be sure that there's something much darker going on. So, I'm just wondering how dark the facts can get because there's been some pretty dark suggestions already.

Does Bill fear that we cannot handle the facts?
Or must we figure out the facts for ourselves from our own research?
Twice I have read Bill say that it is something much darker (darker than human devouring reptillians and non compassionate greys and manmade human zombies - one of my rather imaginative guesses :lol:)

Curioser and curioser.

I have some idea about the darkness Bill talks about.
Have you watched movie The Fourth Kind? After I watched it, I got so pissed off.
Suppose, well, I personally am convinced that there are beings so powerful that we have little things against them to fight or run.
They might be one of the God so many people submit their free will, and they keep repeating servants forever on physical / spiritual level.

Most of NDEers says when we die, we becomes free being as soul and see the creator. Then, they restart life on Earth again completely wiped out past memories.
Isn't it a great scheme to control human race? This is so dark.

[Harley]

Thank You for that Witchy!

And Great Response Hiram!


....what the much darker picture is that Bill keeps hinting at, but doesn't tell.

Does anyone know what it is?

Bill, will you tell?

Hey Bill. You didn't go and get married did you?
Get it ... "darker picture". Oh Never Mind! LOL!

Harley

[witchy1]

Hi Hughe, never seen it....is it scary? Yes I believe we are on a prison planet with our conscienceness switched off. If we could get that back, we would have something. But all is not lost, I really think we are on the verge of something that may initally be negative, but will end up being positive for the human race even (if we have alien dna.) Its all good - a fantastic time to be alive :cool:

[Teakai]

- Nah, certainly not, never even been to sunday church. my impulse was to launch into a tirade on the subject, but see how I've reigned in my impulses. There are many good people with this faith :nod:

This used to be the most scary thing I ever heard..........now Im all grown up - there's a whole shi** load of worse stuff out there.:behindsofa:

Hey Bill, it doesnt need to be verified from any trusted source---------- just your thoughts - go on, go on, go on, go on, go on......................

Hmmm, I dunno, Witchy. It would depend on what is considered a 'good Christian'.
Some can do pretty scary stuff.

Does it all boil down to humans doing really rotten things to each other - or is the something darker to which Bill eludes about Reptillians and Greys - or is it something that none of us have even considered, yet?
Because surely we've covered pretty much everything.
Have we yet to stumble over the dark dark truth, or have we stumbled over it already?

In which case, I wish you'd say Bill, so I can stop speculating about what it might be.
:)

[bluestflame]

the controllers have been doing thier level best to keep us in a state of fear and anxiety for who knows how long , even now trying to get us to be in fear of what they know is coming so we will avoid it , or cause mass panic and riots etc ....

even they only have a rough idea of what's happening , though they would have us believe they know a lot more than they do

[Teakai]

I have some idea about the darkness Bill talks about.
Have you watched movie The Fourth Kind? After I watched it, I got so pissed off.
Suppose, well, I personally am convinced that there are beings so powerful that we have little things against them to fight or run.
They might be one of the God so many people submit their free will, and they keep repeating servants forever on physical / spiritual level.

Most of NDEers says when we die, we becomes free being as soul and see the creator. Then, they restart life on Earth again completely wiped out past memories.
Isn't it a great scheme to control human race? This is so dark.

Hi Hugh, I haven't seen the fourth kind - but shall look out for it. Though I'm not really feeling in the mood to feel p*ssed off. Maybe I should wait till I'm having a not so good day :)


The NDE's I've heard about - the reason for not remembering consciously is that there would be no point to it.
And nobody that I've read about has ever seen the creator. Though a lot of people see their guide and think it's God or Jesus - and in one particular case I remember reading about - the devil - but that was a set -up.

[Ahkenaten]

We should all take heart and not be discouraged. Even the worst things we can imagine are but a projection onto the holographic screen. We are immortal, sacred beings of light and even death cannot defeat us. Take heart. Hold fast.

[Teakai]

We should all take heart and not be discouraged. Even the worst things we can imagine are but a projection onto the holographic screen. We are immortal, sacred beings of light and even death cannot defeat us. Take heart. Hold fast.

I agree, Ahkenaton - but I still would like to know.

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the controllers have been doing thier level best to keep us in a state of fear and anxiety for who knows how long , even now trying to get us to be in fear of what they know is coming so we will avoid it , or cause mass panic and riots etc ....

even they only have a rough idea of what's happening , though they would have us believe they know a lot more than they do

Yes, that's very true, bluestflame. We've been brainwashed and despiritualised, but of course, now that we know that we can take measures to recognise when it's happening and to not be.

[witchy1]

Hmmm, I dunno, Witchy. It would depend on what is considered a 'good Christian'.
Some can do pretty scary stuff.

Does it all boil down to humans doing really rotten things to each other - or is the something darker to which Bill eludes about Reptillians and Greys - or is it something that none of us have even considered, yet?
Because surely we've covered pretty much everything.
Have we yet to stumble over the dark dark truth, or have we stumbled over it already?
In which case, I wish you'd say Bill, so I can stop speculating about what it might be

Sorry T, just nipped off to watch the Leonard Cohen video. I never heard of him until I saw him being advertised at homebush after the Metallica concert (which was great btw) and had to ask who he was.

Yes you are right - pretty evil stuff under the guise of religion which is often just another form of mind control. Thats perhaps why I never needed it, or didnt find too much use in it.......just found my own way. Thank goodness I had parents who were not into making minimees. (Perhaps the statement and the dead will rise..... was the very thing that put me off! - I really was scared about that)

I wonder if we all have the dark side inherent in us, given the right controllers and circumstances? Very scary thought.

Im a believer in aliens are up there and down here, but there are good and bad in all living things so I stick with the pareto principle (or the 10% ars*hole factor.)

Can't begin to imagine what else there could be that we havn't stumbled on.

I am developing a considered opinion of how life started, which is impacting my beliefs at the moment.
This revolves around god creating man in the image of himself - or whatever that saying is.......... and it doesnt concern us all looking like an old man with a white beard! lol

So, yes Bill - I can hear you typing up your answer to T's question (or at least forming it in your mind) are you comfortable giving us an insight to your thoughts????????????

[Teakai]

Sorry T, just nipped off to watch the Leonard Cohen video. I never heard of him until I saw him being advertised at homebush after the Metallica concert (which was great btw) and had to ask who he was.

Yes you are right - pretty evil stuff under the guise of religion which is often just another form of mind control. Thats perhaps why I never needed it, or didnt find too much use in it.......just found my own way. Thank goodness I had parents who were not into making minimees. (Perhaps the statement and the dead will rise..... was the very thing that put me off! - I really was scared about that)

I wonder if we all have the dark side inherent in us, given the right controllers and circumstances? Very scary thought.

Im a believer in aliens are up there and down here, but there are good and bad in all living things so I stick with the pareto principle (or the 10% ars*hole factor.)

Can't begin to imagine what else there could be that we havn't stumbled on.

I am developing a considered opinion of how life started, which is impacting my beliefs at the moment.
This revolves around god creating man in the image of himself - or whatever that saying is.......... and it doesnt concern us all looking like an old man with a white beard! lol

So, yes Bill - I can hear you typing up your answer to T's question (or at least forming it in your mind) are you comfortable giving us an insight to your thoughts????????????

No worries, Witchy - just got back myself. There was a storm right overheard so disconnected for while - I still hear it rumbling in the distance.

My mum made my sister and I go to Sunday school - and she didn't go to church herself - I don't quite understand her reasoning.
Some kind of Lutheran thing going on there, I think.

I think there are definitely ET's and life on other planets. After listeing to John Lash - am no longer sure we were genetically modified by them - it does seem a good way to lay claim over us as possessions.

My take is that human life is through a guided evolutionary process working on timer cells.

I think that being made in his image is in regard to the soul - but the whole 'he' thing doesn't come into it for me. Whatever God is isn't even nearly human - more of an energy or a vibration than any kind of person.

I think that yes we definitely have the capability for both the good and the bad - that would be using and working from the ego brain - or the higher brain. I think conscience is from the higher brain - and soul consciousness is of the higher brain.

None of my opinions are set in stone, so are easily replaced by any new theory which makes more sense.

I like your optimism - I'm thinking Bill won't be forthcoming :)

[witchy1]

yes his silence is deafening............. Im thinking hes thinking if he ignores the question we will get the message;)

That storm is probably about 1/4 hour away! Still makes for pretty lightening scenes

[RedeZra]

(Perhaps the statement and the dead will rise..... was the very thing that put me off! - I really was scared about that)



Jesus did die with a bang and the dead did rise (Matthew 27:51-53 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27:51-53&version=NKJV))


the day turned to night and the earth shook

and some saints came out from their tombs

[John Parslow]

Hello Teakai

Forgive me for thrusting my nose in here but my estimation for (what it is worth) is that our Bill is a man of considerable discernment; honesty and integrity and may not wish to elucidate further until he is in full command of the facts. The info to which he is alluding may be harder to comprehend than any of us realize at present; my judgment is that we all may wish he had kept it to himself … just a thought!

Love to you. JP :cool:

[Elandiel BernElve]

I like the initial question and the initiative to ask Bill one from time to time.
But please enlighten me, when did Bill mention such incredible dark force we talk about now that'd be beyond our comprehension or current capacity of handling ?

hero mode on:
*I defeated the Reapers in Mass Effect 2, nothing suprises me:p*

PS: Teakai I don't like the title of your thread - A title should always make clear what the topic is about, yours clearly lacks the informative part of its content.
i see this more and more on PA - Is it to get attention? or more replies or views? come on guys.. cut the ego trippin

[Bill Ryan]

Bill ... may not wish to elucidate further until he is in full command of the facts. The info to which he is alluding may be harder to comprehend than any of us realize at present; my judgment is that we all may wish he had kept it to himself … just a thought!


Many thanks, John - that's fairly close to the mark. The problem with the kind of job that Kerry and I have set ourselves - as have many others as well, of course - is that when something quite major comes our way we really need to pay close attention to all the factors involved, as we find ourselves reminded that this is not just a trivial game, or the usual social networking ephemera. There are massive issues at stake.

And the larger the issues, the larger the questions raised. These include philosophical and ethical dilemmas at the highest possible levels. Other issues include the provenance of information, personal safety, the safety of others, and how unacceptable or unpalatable certain information might be.... and, when all this is done, whether publicizing what one feel may really be the facts actually makes any difference! None of these questions are easy to weigh.

[John Parslow]

You are very welcome Bill

I imagine that one of the biggest problems with disclosure is the ‘how’ and ‘to what degree’, I can imagine that the weight of the philosophical and ethical dilemmas is quite a burden not only to yourself and other’s working for disclosure but to those already cognizant of all the facts. The ramifications for the future of mankind as we know it are most likely a much bigger can of worms than most of us can possibly imagine …

I would just urge you and Kerry to be safe and watch each other’s backs as the time draws near. All the very best for the future. JP :cool:

[Bill Ryan]

A title should always make clear what the topic is about, yours clearly lacks the informative part of its content.


(Non sequitur - Mod Hat on)

I do agree... threads with titles like Hey, look at this! or You have to watch this video are not very helpful. :)

They're also not SEARCHABLE... which may be useful months later when trying to find a particular post.

For those reasons, it's helpful to members and visitors to label thread titles with terms that say something about what it's all about.

Mods can edit or amend (or add to) thread titles very easily... if anyone wants to change a thread title they've already given, then just let us know and we'll be pleased to help.


The ramifications for the future of mankind as we know it are most likely a much bigger can of worms than most of us can possibly imagine …


Well said, John - once again! :)

[Ilie Pandia]

and, when all this is done, whether publicizing what one feel may really be the facts actually makes any difference!

I guess it would make a difference by giving us some time to prepare (at least mentally)... or things are so dark that no preparations will do?

You did however suggest recently that "When Technology Fails" (by Matthew Stein) may become a very important book :)

[Teakai]

Hello Teakai

Forgive me for thrusting my nose in here but my estimation for (what it is worth) is that our Bill is a man of considerable discernment; honesty and integrity and may not wish to elucidate further until he is in full command of the facts. The info to which he is alluding may be harder to comprehend than any of us realize at present; my judgment is that we all may wish he had kept it to himself … just a thought!

Love to you. JP :cool:

Yes, I daresay you're right, John - I wonder when we will have the full story.

No, I still wouldn't wish for him to have kept it to himself - I am one of those extremely curious (nosy??)people, plus I have a fertile imagination - it might be a good thing to give it the boundaries of fact :)

[Teakai]

I like the initial question and the initiative to ask Bill one from time to time.
But please enlighten me, when did Bill mention such incredible dark force we talk about now that'd be beyond our comprehension or current capacity of handling ?

hero mode on:
*I defeated the Reapers in Mass Effect 2, nothing suprises me:p*

PS: Teakai I don't like the title of your thread - A title should always make clear what the topic is about, yours clearly lacks the informative part of its content.
i see this more and more on PA - Is it to get attention? or more replies or views? come on guys.. cut the ego trippin

Hi Elandiel, Bill has hinted twice quite recently in posts I've read that the real story is something much darker.
Hints pique my curiosity.
Why would he do that I wonder - is it for the same reasons you think I gave a titillating title? :)

My thread title did make perfectly clear what the topic is about. The topic is about "what I really want to know".

If you dislike it, that's your choice.

[Teakai]

Many thanks, John - that's fairly close to the mark. The problem with the kind of job that Kerry and I have set ourselves - as have many others as well, of course - is that when something quite major comes our way we really need to pay close attention to all the factors involved, as we find ourselves reminded that this is not just a trivial game, or the usual social networking ephemera. There are massive issues at stake.

And the larger the issues, the larger the questions raised. These include philosophical and ethical dilemmas at the highest possible levels. Other issues include the provenance of information, personal safety, the safety of others, and how unacceptable or unpalatable certain information might be.... and, when all this is done, whether publicizing what one feel may really be the facts actually makes any difference! None of these questions are easy to weigh.

I do understand what you mean, Bill - and it would be a vey tough place to be. Wanting to share your thoughts and the information you have, but then having to worry about what might be the consequences of that sharing.

What I find to be the interesting question is whether sharing your info would make any difference.
It is a big responsibilty - I guess you can only be true to your own heart and conscience about it.

I, for one would like to know. Yet, I know there are others who would do something rash when confronted with somethng too difficult to face.

[witchy1]

I, for one would like to know. Yet, I know there are others who would do something rash when confronted with somethng too difficult to face.

Happy with a discrete PM ;). I do understand the rationale but like Teakai and others I am inherently nosey and loathe being kept in the dark - thats what keeps us searching. However my searching days are drawing to a close as I need to enter the mainstream slavery of 9-5 in the new year so wont be able to research as much so that will be frustrating. Will the real truths ever be known??????? What will it take to reveal them...... are we starting already or are all the latest dramas (eg WL) simply another red herring??????? Will the conscienceness ever be truely awakened, and is it important or are we all heading for Dulce to remain for ever on this prison planet at the behest of tptb?

I wonder if it would be safe to say that Avalon members have touched on the big relevant issues in the past but there is much more uncover - we are such an insightful lot?

[shadowstalker]

Happy with a discrete PM . I do understand the rationale but like Teakai and others I am inherently nosey and loathe being kept in the dark - thats what keeps us searching.

I am the same way,
When I ask my dad of certain things he gets real quiet, And i keep asking the same nosey questions,

who, what, when how, and so on and why wont you tell me dad, I know you got the answers, just tell I promise not to write a book about it (NOT)

P.S. He knows as much as Bill and Kerry does.

[Ross]

The full story...we all wish to know the full story, Bill and many others have been, and currently are, trying their best to unravel this story, but this story, as it unravels, provides more questions than 'clear cut' answers.

This story is HUGE and it may take a lifetime or more to unravel due to its multi levelled facets and 'unbelievable' nature....

However, this is why we are here...we will all continue to unravel...

Ross

[Teakai]

The full story...we all wish to know the full story, Bill and many others have been, and currently are, trying their best to unravel this story, but this story, as it unravels, provides more questions than 'clear cut' answers.

This story is HUGE and it may take a lifetime or more to unravel due to its multi levelled facets and 'unbelievable' nature....

However, this is why we are here...we will all continue to unravel...Ross

And then while we're unravelling, Bill comes along and says 'I would say the real story is much darker than that' - and the yarn is all knotted up again :)

Yes, Bill, I am very happy with a PM as well. Just your thoughts about it all. Just a thought - you could have a thread up with a warning, so that people can choose whether they want to hear or not.
Bottling it up is just going to give you an ulcer.
:)

[shadowstalker]

I would love a PM myself Bill, Trust me Nothing would surprise me these days, but one can not cross the street with out looking first I would love to know if a car is coming my way

[witchy1]

P.S. He knows as much as Bill and Kerry does.

Good gravey Shadow, you cant leave that just sitting there...........c'mon spill

[shadowstalker]

Good gravey Shadow, you cant leave that just sitting there...........c'mon spill

http://stores.lulu.com/hunteraj

Here's a link to my dads books, they are all in sci-fi version cuz he don't want to get popped for his knowledge as he did do some security work for the military at one time.
His short stories are freekie stuff. But if one is truly intuitive they will know that what has been put in the books is real.

I have asked my dad on many occasions why he wont write about what happened in Atlantis and all he can say is that he don't want to get laught at, I have told him several times that it is not the case anymore, that people want to know now.

[shadowstalker]

So How do I put this, If my dad and bill did speak I still don't think we would get very far. My dad speaks in riddle at times, and i think he does it to see if anyone is paying attention to the way he is saying things, there is a lot of word play, and puzzle creating in his speak, when one would speak to my dad. SO in turn It is very hard, bit i also notice that he only speaks that way to someone who is on his spiritual level of knowledge. Hence when he speaks to me as well.

Trust me it was like talking to a living breathing museum when growing up with him. My life was like living in a huge spiritual flash back.

Hell I never even new that my mind was erased at age 8 when MIB attacked the family for what we did know at the time and what us kids where being taught and trained to do.

[shadowstalker]

Let me add some more here, I asked my dad two x-mass's ago how many families like ours where out there? (knowledge and gifts therein) he told me about five left.

I asked what would happen if these families got together and released there knowledge? He said the world would change.

I know some of you are thinking. HOLY CRAP, that's what went through my mind as well.

I ask him, well why aren't they doing anything about helping the world then?, he said they are only here to OBSERVE. that we are witnesses to the events yet to come.

[ponda]

Good topic

Well here's some of my take on it without being negative.



We are not alone

There are good guys and bad guys

The bad guys have had a strong influence over the planet for a long time and still do but the equilibrium is changing at the moment

Proof of the bad guys influence can be seen by our institutions and control systems..ie religions,financial systems,political systems,military and police,media,education,science,legal system, etc and how these systems work and who controls them at our level.

There is good in all of these institutions and systems but how they are controlled and used is very important.

The bad guys stay hidden for reasons

They use mind control directly and indirectly.Directly through possession or conscious influence mainly of the elite,key decision makers etc and indirectly of the rest of us through propaganda and laws etc.Our perceived prison is a prison of perception,a prison of the mind.We are what we perceive ourselves to be.

They are limited in what they can do and how far they can go etc

There are rules that can't be broken because a much higher conscious awareness is present

There are also of course good guys

It is harder to see the influence of the good guys but one way might be that more bad stuff doesn't happen because of them.Another way might be that say the internet came about at just the right time and as if by accident but it was no accident.

There is a multi dimensional game of chess going on and we are in the middle of it

[Teakai]

Let me add some more here, I asked my dad two x-mass's ago how many families like ours where out there? (knowledge and gifts therein) he told me about five left.

I asked what would happen if these families got together and released there knowledge? He said the world would change.

I know some of you are thinking. HOLY CRAP, that's what went through my mind as well.

I ask him, well why aren't they doing anything about helping the world then?, he said they are only here to OBSERVE. that we are witnesses to the events yet to come.

God, that sounds soooo interesting, Shadowstalker. So, do you know more of what there is to know? Is there anything you're holding back?


By families like yours, what do you mean? Are you a normal family that has not so normal information or are you a not so normal family?

Hope I'm not being too personal asking this stuff.

[shadowstalker]

Not so normal families, with not so normal information, trying to kind of live normal lives.

But for me on a personal note I truly do not believe that I am meant to hold any info back, but have serious trouble trying to relay in transmitting that info to other folks, As per my dad erasing my memories for those particular three days that the MIB' attacked. I think he erased a grate deal more, And put a block on me, to which I have been trying to un-block since I found out about the MIB event.

Apparently I have Atlantian knowledge that would come to pass (as my ex would say) after my folks die.
Which to a certain degree was side ways confirmed by my dad.

Certain folks who know my dad/mom from those days call them THE COUNCILOR and my mom THE COUNCILOR's WIFE.

And I am to be considered the POLICY MAKER.

[Teakai]

Not so normal families, with not so normal information, trying to kind of live normal lives.

But for me on a personal note I truly do not believe that I am meant to hold any info back, but have serious trouble trying to relay in transmitting that info to other folks, As per my dad erasing my memories for those particular three days that the MIB' attacked. I think he erased a grate deal more, And put a block on me, to which I have been trying to un-block since I found out about the MIB event.

Apparently I have Atlantian knowledge that would come to pass (as my ex would say) after my folks die.
Which to a certain degree was side ways confirmed by my dad.

Certain folks who know my dad/mom from those days call them THE COUNCILOR and my mom THE COUNCILOR's WIFE.

And I am to be considered the POLICY MAKER.

Have you tired any sort of hypnosis or regression therapy?

How old were you when your dad erased your MIB experience memories? And are you aware of how he did it?

Do you know why your dad won't fill you in on all the details? How about your mum? Can she tell you anything? Or was this when you were a kid and now you are comfortable with the level of what you do know?

I'd go crazy with questions :lol:

Don't answer anything I ask that you feel is too personal.
:)

[shadowstalker]

Have you tired any sort of hypnosis or regression therapy?
NO I don't have the means for that, but i do get flash backs in my dreams at times.

How old were you when your dad erased your MIB experience memories?
I was 8 yrs old, but did not know about it till I was 38 when my then boyfriend and i went to my folks to introduce my then boyfriend at that time, that's when my dad spilled the beans, apparently they knew each other from the Atlantian days,

And are you aware of how he did it?
I Have always been aware of his technique, I have seen him use it on my mom when she would loose things.


Do you know why your dad won't fill you in on all the details?
To prevent another attack by the MIB's As my mom seems to be an easy target for them.

How about your mum?
My MOM wont speak on any of these terms unless another atlantian comes into play,same with my dad

Can she tell you anything?
She has put on the Vail of Christianity, to hide her self.

comfortable with the level of what you do know?
So much lies in all this I am just unsure how to unravel the info, as it come in packs, and images.


I'd go crazy with questions
I do go crazy with questions


Don't answer anything I ask that you feel is too personal.
It needs to be let out does it not.

[Teakai]

Thanks so much for your answers, Shadow. The thing is, though, is that they make for more questions :lol:

And here they are :)

When you speak about Atlantians – is this from a previous earthly incarnation?
Or are Atlantians a different breed to the common earthly human?

(When I hear of Atlanta I think of the sunken city that was considered to be advanced – just so that we’re talking about the same thing.)

Do you ‘know’ you’re Atlantian or do you take it on trust from what you have been told?
And can you recognise another Atlantian?

Do you use your dad’s techniques?
And are other people aware of them when he uses it upon them? Like your mum for instance?
I, guess what I’m asking is – is it a subtle sort of mind controlling technique – or is it something obvious that the other person is fully aware is taking place?

And, what do you think lies at the root of all that is happening in the world today? Is it just about humans being asses or is it about other non human entities?

[jcocks]

I do understand what you mean, Bill - and it would be a vey tough place to be. Wanting to share your thoughts and the information you have, but then having to worry about what might be the consequences of that sharing.

What I find to be the interesting question is whether sharing your info would make any difference.
It is a big responsibilty - I guess you can only be true to your own heart and conscience about it.

I, for one would like to know. Yet, I know there are others who would do something rash when confronted with somethng too difficult to face.

Like it or not, we are rapidly reaching the time when we are to experience first-hand the consequences of the actions of the TPTB. Worrying about what the consequences of that, or any disclosure, may be achieves nothing. You *CANNOT* take responsibility for the actions of others. We provide the information to those around us, and it is up to them and thme alone what they do with that inofmraion and how they respond. That's why they call it free-will

I personally believe the time for standing up for your truth and letting it be known has come. That's what Assange is currently doing, and who knows, it may yet kill him. Yet he has done it with full knowledge of the ramifications, and he stands tall and resolute despite all that. He is a very brave person, and the world needs more of those during the next few years which are going to be very interesting.

Think of any info that is divulged at this time as a kind of "GPS" to steer us through the journey :) If you can provide even a few directions,no matter how vague, you are doing a service to your fellow man.


Oh, and always remember : it is always darkest before the dawn!

:cool:

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Don't answer anything I ask that you feel is too personal.[/COLOR]
It needs to be let out does it not.

Yes. It is a form of healing. Works well, too...

[shadowstalker]

When you speak about Atlantians – is this from a previous earthly incarnation?
Yes

Are Atlantians a different breed to the common earthly human?
Yes for the most part Hybrids and most Atlantain have reincarnated to this time

(When I hear of Atlanta I think of the sunken city that was considered to be advanced – just so that we’re talking about the same thing.)
Most atlantains have reincarnated in the U.S. in the past 80 yrs,
As for the name Atlanta for the City in the U.S. I am unsure what the true meaning is, I have theory tho'

Do you ‘know’ you’re Atlantian or do you take it on trust from what you have been told?
A lot of folks have told me that I was from that time and not with my fathers presents, even strangers would tell me.
Also have had dreams of the last downfall, I remember it vividly since i was i child.

And can you recognize another Atlantian?
Not necessarily, I recognize there spiritual signature on a subconsciousness level

Do you use your dad’s techniques?
No, he will not teach me. which is a good thing.

And are other people aware of them when he uses it upon them? Like your mum for instance?
Yes it is done by consent, and only used as a last stitch effort.

I, guess what I’m asking is – is it a subtle sort of mind controlling technique – or is it something obvious that the other person is fully aware is taking place?
Both, and there is always a witness.


And, what do you think lies at the root of all that is happening in the world today?
Convergence of all things
Past/present/now/good/bad/neutral
Awakening/sleeping.

Is it just about humans being asses or is it about other non human entities?
BOTH and many others in between.

[FrankoL]

I have a lot of past life memories form Atlantis. I can remember one city in details. I am not sure but is somehow connected to nowadays Malta.

I don't know if anyone had that experience: once I was able to retrieve all my memories, ... I knew it all what was about. I was so excited... but soon after something happened and I could not remember anymore.

[Gone002]

Sometimes I fear people down play the power that is here. It’s not a battle that will ever be won. I keep hearing “oh a new time in history is here and the plan of the controllers will be exposed”. This isn’t some plan that can be stopped, it’s ever flowing. You make a counter move it changes, you expose its plan and they change. This has been at work for a very long time, working its way into every level of life.

Take a step back and look around, what has changed. You say people are waking up but they’re not. It’s just another level of control, giving you a simple measure of clarity but never what you need to change anything.

I’m just throwing this out there.

sorry for spelling and grammer, guys and girls

[Elandiel BernElve]

Woah... this is just beautiful..
So much respect, love and fascination for your conversation Atlanteans...
Reading it just brought silence in my thoughts, pleasing silence..

What does the Atlantean city looks like? Modern? High-tech? Sci-fi? Or like contemporery renderings in ancient greek /egyptian style ?

Thanks in advance

Gartitude

[Ilie Pandia]

You say people are waking up but they’re not. It’s just another level of control, giving you a simple measure of clarity but never what you need to change anything.

I do not know if there is any "mass awakening" going on or not... but finding Avalon (and others) was a great wake-up call for me personally :). If I just moved from a control system into its "controlled opposition" I do not know yet :). But at least now I am asking questions, and I realize how much I still do not know, and how things may be different from what I thought I knew... and I call this... progress!

Some "Illuminati insider" had once wrote that there will never be any "mass awakening event", and people will wake up one by one if they choose to, by their own efforts, while others will remain trapped in the illusion. This makes a lot of sense to me personally...

[shadowstalker]

If your asking me.

What does the Atlantean city looks like? Modern? High-tech? Sci-fi?
Yes

Or like contemporery renderings in ancient greek /egyptian style ?
That i believe came during and after the fall.


Reading it just brought silence in my thoughts, pleasing silence..
You where probably there.

[Ilie Pandia]

Shadowstalker,

Atlanteans have always been here on Earth in reincarnated form, or they are doing it now, in our time to observe a specific event or outcome?

And what I can not understand is... why observe something if you can not/are not allowed to intervene?

[shadowstalker]

Atlanteans have always been here on Earth in reincarnated form,
Yes but most are coming back to fix there wrong doings, some are coming back to simply make things better.

or they are doing it now,
Yes there are coming back in force for the most part the above reason.

In our time to observe a specific event or outcome?
That is on there personal note.

why observe something if you can not/are not allowed to intervene?
To be witness to the events, all events need witness, and there is the free will issues.

[Ilie Pandia]

Thanks for the answers :)

I do not know how you are handing things, but I am a curious person and I would drive my parents up the wall with questions if I had had any suspicion they know something they are not telling :). Also having knowledge locked inside my head that I can not get to... it would be a major frustration I imagine.

[shadowstalker]

Thanks for the answers :)

I do not know how you are handing things, but I am a curious person and I would drive my parents up the wall with questions if I had had any suspicion they know something they are not telling :). Also having knowledge locked inside my head that I can not get to... it would be a major frustration I imagine.


Your welcome
I am handling things an the daily, and yes it is very frustrating at times, but i also can take into account that all things will come in due time, I just wish i new what my timing was, Maybe it's in all these questions, so keep'em comin' guys.

Oh I a posting the Q&A's on a new site I am making to go along side my Unseen site, don't worry I am not putting in anyone's names, but i think for future reference folks can get answers from this for other curious folks. I hope you all don't mind.

[shadowstalker]

I would drive my parents up the wall with questions
The only time I can ask questions and get any type of answers is when my dad is away from my mom or when she is asleep, as my mom worries about who or what is listening on the other side.

[Gone002]

is there any race on earth that are close to what the Atlanteans looked like ?

[shadowstalker]

is there any race on earth that are close to what the Atlanteans looked like ?

As I said earlier, Atlantians are a hybrid of many types of Aliens and Humans,
The closet that I have heard the Atlantians that have survived gene pool wise are the Hopi And Maya, But don't quote me on it.

[Gone002]

cool, sorry i should have read it better.

[shadowstalker]

cool, sorry i should have read it better.

Its all good,

[witchy1]

Hey Shadow, finally catching up on this thread. Wow - thank you for sharing. What an interesting life and past life you have. Shame you cant put thumb screws on your Dad.

[Teakai]

Like it or not, we are rapidly reaching the time when we are to experience first-hand the consequences of the actions of the TPTB. Worrying about what the consequences of that, or any disclosure, may be achieves nothing. You *CANNOT* take responsibility for the actions of others. We provide the information to those around us, and it is up to them and thme alone what they do with that inofmraion and how they respond. That's why they call it free-will

I personally believe the time for standing up for your truth and letting it be known has come. That's what Assange is currently doing, and who knows, it may yet kill him. Yet he has done it with full knowledge of the ramifications, and he stands tall and resolute despite all that. He is a very brave person, and the world needs more of those during the next few years which are going to be very interesting.

Think of any info that is divulged at this time as a kind of "GPS" to steer us through the journey :) If you can provide even a few directions,no matter how vague, you are doing a service to your fellow man.


Oh, and always remember : it is always darkest before the dawn!

:cool:

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Yes. It is a form of healing. Works well, too...

Hi jcocks, I very much agree with what you're saying. People do need to know this stuff and how they deal with it is their choice.

But it is still a hard place to be.

I told a very sensitive girlfriend, who already has many challenges in her life that NASA was predicting major setbacks come 2012 with the solar flares - and she said if that was going to happen she may as well start drinking again.

Which made me think of the family in the news who commited suicide (tried to kill their baby daughter, but she survived - apparently because of global warming.
Story here: http://www.news.com.au/world/family-massacred-over-global-warming-fears/story-e6frfkyi-1225835900133

I personally would feel so rotten if it was due to what I had told them, especially if I'd gotten it wrong.
So, that's why I can understand the dilemma of to tell or not to tell - and how much.

However, I don't think it should be witheld from those who choose to know. Withholding the information may be just as damaging on the other end of the scale.
Which is why following one's own heart about it is probably best.
Here's hoping that Bill has intimate knowledge of his heart :)

[Teakai]

When you speak about Atlantians – is this from a previous earthly incarnation?
Yes

Are Atlantians a different breed to the common earthly human?
Yes for the most part Hybrids and most Atlantain have reincarnated to this time

(When I hear of Atlanta I think of the sunken city that was considered to be advanced – just so that we’re talking about the same thing.)
Most atlantains have reincarnated in the U.S. in the past 80 yrs,
As for the name Atlanta for the City in the U.S. I am unsure what the true meaning is, I have theory tho'

Do you ‘know’ you’re Atlantian or do you take it on trust from what you have been told?
A lot of folks have told me that I was from that time and not with my fathers presents, even strangers would tell me.
Also have had dreams of the last downfall, I remember it vividly since i was i child.

And can you recognize another Atlantian?
Not necessarily, I recognize there spiritual signature on a subconsciousness level

Do you use your dad’s techniques?
No, he will not teach me. which is a good thing.

And are other people aware of them when he uses it upon them? Like your mum for instance?
Yes it is done by consent, and only used as a last stitch effort.

I, guess what I’m asking is – is it a subtle sort of mind controlling technique – or is it something obvious that the other person is fully aware is taking place?
Both, and there is always a witness.


And, what do you think lies at the root of all that is happening in the world today?
Convergence of all things
Past/present/now/good/bad/neutral
Awakening/sleeping.

Is it just about humans being asses or is it about other non human entities?
BOTH and many others in between.

Thanks so much, Shadow.
Do you know why there are only 5 families left like yours?

And now this might be getting really personal.
The trouble that you had with the school system - was that to do with being Atlantean and all that goes with it?

God, this is such an amazing time - who would have thought? :lol:

[Teakai]

Sometimes I fear people down play the power that is here. It’s not a battle that will ever be won. I keep hearing “oh a new time in history is here and the plan of the controllers will be exposed”. This isn’t some plan that can be stopped, it’s ever flowing. You make a counter move it changes, you expose its plan and they change. This has been at work for a very long time, working its way into every level of life.

Take a step back and look around, what has changed. You say people are waking up but they’re not. It’s just another level of control, giving you a simple measure of clarity but never what you need to change anything.

I’m just throwing this out there.

sorry for spelling and grammer, guys and girls

I think, Celt - and now that I've heard Shadow say it and Terrence McKenna say the same thing - and it feels right. I think that this is very much about convergence. It's like we're on a roller coaster ride. Stuff is going to happen and we're going to go with it - and while we're going with it, we will change and grow and face things that will show us so much more of what we have ever considered possible - and how we act to those challenges is going to be what determines our spiritual graduation.
And there are only 2 ways for us to act through these challenges - through ego or through heart.

It's not so much as waking up to the rubbish that's going on around us (though that's a catalyst) - but waking to who we really are. That way we see through the artificial forms of control - and rest in our own heart choices.

I've been thinking that for a while - but the idea is sticking.
:)

[shadowstalker]

Thanks so much, Shadow.
Do you know why there are only 5 families left like yours?
I am thinking and at times imaging a Form of balance.


And now this might be getting really personal.
The trouble that you had with the school system
More to the idea of CPS and the like, they search out highly intelligent, well adjusted children, when they find real abuse they for the most part drop the case, but when they find children with gifts they seem to take part in destroying the family, I raised my kids like my folks raised me.

was that to do with being Atlantean and all that goes with it?
My children are well versed in many things and they can be outspoken at times, the school and cps don't like that, They are out of the box like the rest of my family.
so take a wild guess....LOL

[jcocks]

I told a very sensitive girlfriend, who already has many challenges in her life that NASA was predicting major setbacks come 2012 with the solar flares - and she said if that was going to happen she may as well start drinking again.

Which made me think of the family in the news who commited suicide (tried to kill their baby daughter, but she survived - apparently because of global warming.
Story here: http://www.news.com.au/world/family-massacred-over-global-warming-fears/story-e6frfkyi-1225835900133

I personally would feel so rotten if it was due to what I had told them, especially if I'd gotten it wrong.
So, that's why I can understand the dilemma of to tell or not to tell - and how much.

However, I don't think it should be witheld from those who choose to know. Withholding the information may be just as damaging on the other end of the scale.
Which is why following one's own heart about it is probably best.
Here's hoping that Bill has intimate knowledge of his heart :)

Well, you use your discernment to determine who to tell. There are, of course, some people who should probably be shielded from such information for their own good. When the time is right and they are in the right frame of mind to handle the information, then tell them. There's no point in telling people the info who obviously won't be able to handle it or are likely to take it the wrong way. On the other hand, if they ask to know, then tell them - but not before warning them of the gravity first...

[Teakai]

Thanks for the answers :)

I do not know how you are handing things, but I am a curious person and I would drive my parents up the wall with questions if I had had any suspicion they know something they are not telling :). Also having knowledge locked inside my head that I can not get to... it would be a major frustration I imagine.

We all do, undead pixel.
Our consious minds are just tips to a much greater deeper aspect of who we are and of much knoweldge and previous experience.

Wouldn't I just LOVE to unlock all that????

But apparently it has to be done slowly - or you'll blow your gaskets.
:)
Maybe that why the Kundalini make some people a bit batty - or maybe they're not batty at all - it only looks like it from our un-kundalinied state.

So much there is to know.
:) What a trip.

[Ilie Pandia]

When the time is right and they are in the right frame of mind to handle the information, then tell them.

This reminds me of fragment from Castaneda's books. Castaneda keeps on asking don Juan to tell him some sort of secret knowledge. And don Juan responds that he had already divulged the secret many times, but because Castaneda did not have enough personal power (aka was not ready for the info) has discarded it without even noticing.

Following this idea: sharing information that your are not prepared for will pass by you... Information does not kill you... nor save you. It's how you react to it that matters.

[shadowstalker]

I am going to open a thread for folks who want to ask me more questions, as I feel this has taken away from Bill, and what folks need from him.

[Ilie Pandia]

We all do, undead pixel.
Our consious minds are just tips to a much greater deeper aspect of who we are and of much knoweldge and previous experience

I was afraid somebody will call me on that. :)
I am not sure yet of what is locked inside my head. For now, the information seems to be pouring from the outside. I am still waiting for the inner voice to make itself heard.

[Teakai]

Well, you use your discernment to determine who to tell. There are, of course, some people who should probably be shielded from such information for their own good. When the time is right and they are in the right frame of mind to handle the information, then tell them. There's no point in telling people the info who obviously won't be able to handle it or are likely to take it the wrong way. On the other hand, if they ask to know, then tell them - but not before warning them of the gravity first...

It seems we are much in agreement, especially with the red part :)

[Teakai]

I was afraid somebody will call me on that. :)
I am not sure yet of what is locked inside my head. For now, the information seems to be pouring from the outside. I am still waiting for the inner voice to make itself heard.

I think our inner voice is quiet. It whispers and so we must be quiet to hear it.

And we know when we don't listen because we feel uncomforatble with ourselves or our actions - and our conscience eats at us. Or things don't go right with us and we feel uncomforatble within our skin.

But, I think that's just for starters. I imagine that once we really and fully tune into ourselves magic happens.
:)

[Teakai]

I am going to open a thread for folks who want to ask me more questions, as I feel this has taken away from Bill, and what folks need from him.

Feel free, Shadow - but this thread wasn't so much about Bill as about what I wanted to know. :)
And I found out a lot.

I admit to not holding out much hope for Bill being forthcoming when I started the thread - so it's lucky I didn't call it 'What Bill knows..." :lol: Imagine the disappointement.

You have been very informative - I thank you.

[shadowstalker]

You have been very informative - I thank you.

Anytime

[Bill Ryan]

I admit to not holding out much hope for Bill being forthcoming when I started the thread - so it's lucky I didn't call it 'What Bill knows..." :lol: Imagine the disappointment.


Click here for an entertaining public catch-up conversation between Kerry and myself - when, without a guest for her radio show today, she called me to ask if I'd be willing to come on with zero notice.

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Kerry_Cassidy_radio_show_10_Dec_2010.mp3

(1 hr 36 mins, 63 Mb)

It only scratched the surface of a very significant amount of material, but you might find it interesting. The last time Kerry and I did a radio show together was a year and a half ago.

Right now, this is all I can say - I do hope you can understand.

My best wishes to all - Bill

[Teakai]

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Kerry_Cassidy_radio_show_10_Dec_2010.mp3

(1 hr 36 mins, 63 Mb)

Really just an intro with a few summary menu headings, and an interesting public catch-up conversation between Kerry and myself. But you might find it quite valuable. The bulk of the information I didn't touch.

Right now, this is all I can say - I do hope you can understand.

My best wishes to all - Bill

Understood. Thanks Bill.
:)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Right now, this is all I can say - I do hope you can understand.


understand?

you are talking to the ones that have been looking forward to you two getting back together.... for a year and a half... ;)

[jcocks]

Click here for an entertaining public catch-up conversation between Kerry and myself - when, without a guest for her radio show today, she called me to ask if I'd be willing to come on with zero notice.

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Kerry_Cassidy_radio_show_10_Dec_2010.mp3

(1 hr 36 mins, 63 Mb)

It only scratched the surface of a very significant amount of material, but you might find it interesting. The last time Kerry and I did a radio show together was a year and a half ago.

Right now, this is all I can say - I do hope you can understand.

My best wishes to all - Bill

brilliant! Thank you very much!

[East Sun]

The next big threat is............Aliens...... So, they have been using threats that don't exist or are manufactured to keep control of the masses. Looking back I'd say that that is about right. They are smart/very manipulating with long term planning to use the unknowing people as 'slaves' that keep them in luxury.
We need to get smart and use awareness in a way that is one step ahead. Those with intelligence are needed now.

[jcocks]

The next big threat is............Aliens...... So, they have been using threats that don't exist or are manufactured to keep control of the masses. Looking back I'd say that that is about right. They are smart/very manipulating with long term planning to use the unknowing people as 'slaves' that keep them in luxury.
We need to get smart and use awareness in a way that is one step ahead. Those with intelligence are needed now.

Ahh...see, if that is true and they're going to use aliens as the next big global threat, things will get interesting :) First, they'll have to admit aliens are real. Then the REAL fun starts *giggle*

Notice how the whole "wikileaks are evil, go back to sleep" rhetoric from the PTB has been getting louder and louder.... well, people are going to start waking up of their own accord from all of this....and they're going to have to turn the volume up *REAL* loud to counteract all the truth going out there and to drown out our own inner-voices....To the point where it'll be absurd and only the totally comatose will be able to ignore the fact that somethings' amiss....

[Zook]

Hi all, Avalonians, Atlanteans, and Teaks (who started this thread - may I call you Tickles?),

I've just now read this entire thread. I'm sure that Bill is not in a position to reveal what he knows until the time is right (in his estimation). Issues of personal safety and the safety of others, being paramount. But since I have zero privileged knowledge from sources, myself, let me give it a shot (about the greater darkness that Bill's been alluding, too). FWIW, nothing I can offer on this matter can endanger anybody ... for it is of the educated guess variety and nothing more. I'm so far out of the loop, I can't endanger anybody's light slumber much less their deeper sleep, much less themselves. Heck, even when I try to put Avalonians at risk, by moving them closer to the fangs of awakening in the valley of the Wikileaks, I keep getting whacked on the head as if I were an alarm clock on the night table popping off at the wrong time in the meditative chamber ... such is the softness of the sleeping fist.

My guess ... Agenda 21; Codex Alimentarius; GMO foods ... the engineered scarcity of food and the resulting ferocity of crazed, starved Maxmillian warriors.

Norwegian seed vaults and Dulcean bunkers for TMastardsTB ... and adulterated airs and aquifers for the rest of us. Humble opinions all round.

:typing:

ps: In short, a sinister attack on our physical being.

[John Parslow]

Good morning All


My guess ... Agenda 21; Codex Alimentarius; GMO foods ... the engineered scarcity of food and the resulting ferocity of crazed, starved Maxmillian warriors. Norwegian seed vaults and Dulcean bunkers for TMastardsTB ... and adulterated airs and aquifers for the rest of us. Humble opinions all round.

Nice summation uncle Zook - I think you have struck the proverbial spike on the cranium with this assessment. Which essentially means that to survive we need to stockpile food/water and all become tillers of the soil very quickly ...

All the best to you. JP :cool:

[Wood]

During yesterday's radio interview with Kerry, Bill actually shared that part of that dark agenda involved disrupting the food chain or food supply after the PTBs would be safe down in underground cities. The plan had to do with genetic modified food, and the purpose was to depopulate the world in a quick darwinian experiment: the survival of the fittest (in the sense of the strongest, most resourceful, most able to cooperate, etc).

EDIT: Apparently Bill posted about it himself :)

[Teakai]

Am halfway through listening to the interview. I need to listen without distractions - and this weekend is full of them.

Came across this yesterday. Sound dire. But best to have the info and make your preparations:
The day in 2011 that will change your life - overnight

Power point presentation to be found on the first part of this page:http://www.infowars.com/

Pretty much it's by a power broker or some money guy who is saying that the US is about to lose it's position as the reserve currency of the world and what will happen when that happens and how to be able to help yourself.

And, bloody hell, as if that wasn't enough, here is yet another obvious attempt at decimating the economy and the power of the people:
http://www.infowars.com/obamas-new-tax-on-rainwater-2/

Excerpt: "Would President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency really force Americans to pay a tax on “rainwater runoff” from homes and small businesses?

You bet they would. In fact, the EPA, under radical environmentalist Lisa Jackson, is proposing regulations to do just that.

Take a look at the EPA’s own Federal Register filing, where the EPA generally describes the initiative it’s proposing:

…requirements, including design or performance standards, for stormwater discharges from, at minimum, newly developed and redeveloped sites. EPA intends to propose regulatory options that would revise the NPDES regulations and establish a comprehensive program to address stormwater discharges from newly developed and redeveloped sites and to take final action no later than November 2012"

Yes, Zook, call me Tickles if it Teakai's your fancy. hee hee hee.
*groan*
:)

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hey Avaloneans, a very pleasant day to you all :) This is Atlantis city according to Plato, blessed be, Dutchess Tint.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3189

The capital of Atlantis as described by Plato. (Copyright Lee Krystek 2006)

The idea of a lost, but highly advanced civilization has captured the interest of people for centuries. Perhaps the most compelling of these tales is the story of Atlantis. The story appears again and again in books, television shows and movies. Where did the story originate and is any of it true?

Plato's Atlantis

The story of the lost continent of Atlantis starts in 355 B.C. with the Greek philosopher Plato. Plato had planned to write a trilogy of books discussing the nature of man, the creation of the world, and the story of Atlantis, as well as other subjects. Only the first book was ever completed. The second book was abandoned part way through, and the final book was never even started.

Plato used dialogues to express his ideas. In this type of writing, the author's thoughts are explored in a series of arguments and debates between various characters in the story. Plato often used real people in his dialogues, such as his teacher, Socrates, but the words he gave them were his own.

In Plato's book, Timaeus, a character named Kritias tells an account of Atlantis that has been in his family for generations. According to the character, the story was originally told to his ancestor, Solon, by a priest during Solon's visit to Egypt.

There had been a powerful empire located to the west of the "Pillars of Hercules" (what we now call the Straight of Gibraltar) on an island in the Atlantic Ocean. The nation there had been established by Poseidon, the God of the Sea. Poseidon fathered five sets of twins on the island. The firstborn, Atlas, had the continent and the surrounding ocean named for him. Poseidon divided the land into ten sections, each to be ruled by a son, or his heirs.

The capital city of Atlantis was a marvel of architecture and engineering. The city was composed of a series of concentric walls and canals. At the very center was a hill, and on top of the hill a temple to Poseidon. Inside was a gold statue of the God of the Sea showing him driving six winged horses.

About 9000 years before the time of Plato, after the people of Atlantis became corrupt and greedy, the gods decided to destroy them. A violent earthquake shook the land, giant waves rolled over the shores, and the island sank into the sea, never to be seen again.

So, is the story of Atlantis just a fable used by Plato to make a point? Or is there some reason to think he was referring to a real place? Well, at numerous points in the dialogues, Plato's characters refer to the story of Atlantis as "genuine history" and it being within "the realm of fact." Plato also seems to put into the story a lot of detail about Atlantis that would be unnecessary if he had intended to use it only as a literary device.

On the other hand according to the writings of the historian Strabo, Plato's student Aristotle remarked that Atlantis was simply created by Plato to illustrate a point. Unfortunately, Aristotle's writings on this subject, which might have cleared the mystery up, have been lost eons ago.

[Teakai]

Hi Tingle, I don't have any kind of problem with the exitence of Atlantis - after all, they've found sunken cities all over the place - and with Google earth they may find more.

It may well have sunk during the last pole reversal (I think this happened to due to references in ancient writings about when the sun rose on the other side of the horizon)

[ponda]

If it is the negative influences intention to use food resources as a severe disruptive influence it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to turn out that way.What "they" intend and what really occurs can very easily be two different outcomes

[jcocks]

If it is the negative influences intention to use food resources as a severe disruptive influence it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to turn out that way.What "they" intend and what really occurs can very easily be two different outcomes

Absolutely! That's why I have been going on about Prayer, Positive intent, and standing up for your truth so much... These are the three things which, IMHO, can have the greatest effect in the next few years....

[ponda]

Absolutely! That's why I have been going on about Prayer, Positive intent, and standing up for your truth so much... These are the three things which, IMHO, can have the greatest effect in the next few years....

Good comments jcocks.

Positive intent is very powerful and goes a long way.

It only takes a small light to cancel out the darkness

[Victoria Tintagel]

Originally Posted by jcocks
Absolutely! That's why I have been going on about Prayer, Positive intent, and standing up for your truth so much... These are the three things which, IMHO, can have the greatest effect in the next few years....

Ponda:
Good comments jcocks.
Positive intent is very powerful and goes a long way. ]It only takes a small light to cancel out the darkness

Hey Avaloneans, I do hope you are fine today? Regarding food supplies and a truck of bottled water......ahem...
Of course it's okay to store food and water, if you feel calm with that. Being pragmatic is wonderful. Nobody is telling you what's the wisest and most practical thing to do. But please don't act out of fear, cause that's what you will attract. It's hard to believe, maybe, from a survival instinct point of view. That's why radio senders in the USA shout advertisements of buying rifles and storage of food supplies. It's bizarre. On many levels, things in America are oversize :) Once having gone through the 3 days of darkness, of a physical poleshift, we have access to all our hearts desires. Also food and drinks. Hmmmmm, I wonder how this will taste then :) From then on every thought manifests itself and we are free from the 3D prison (of our own making). Some people will long for that prison and try to return to it. Remember, a caged animal, that has been prisoned for quite some time, will always return to it, after releasing it from the cage.
It's an instinctual choice to return to familiar circumstances: it feels safe. Only after some time the animal makes progress in leaving the cage for short stretches of time and finally leaving it alone. Once conscious of being in a prison, rattling the bars is futile, only accepting that it is so and change your point of view and intention is a way out of that prison. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

[jcocks]

You are quite right in that IMHO, storing food and water is acting from a fear perspective, which is *NOT* what we want to do. My own dreams tell me, although we will soon lose access to elctricity (due to sun activity), we will have nothing to fear and the world will not collapse.... By and large, most people will help each-other out. That's what survival will hinge on - not being the strongest and protecting your loot, but giving and taking amongst your friends / neighbours etc to ensure EVERYONE's survival.

Survival of the fittest will lead to the wrong sort of people surviving - who wants a world where everyone is hoarding food and using violence against others to ensure their own survival? Yet that's what TPTB would have you believe is required. Don't fall for the bull****.....

As for suddenly ascending to 4d through a pole-shift? I don't believe it, it'll be more gradual and less noticeable than that... It'll happen over time, people will wake up to their inner truths, start realising how the universe works (hint : It works much better when you work WITH the flow of the universe, not AGAINST it - things will fall into place, you will be provided for. Stop trying so hard to infuence events and things will happen for you!), and generally be much happier (when you work with the flow of the universe energy moves within you unimpeded - as within, so without.).....

[Teakai]

I'm storing some food and water - I wouldn't say it was out of fear - just a matter of preparation.
If you're going camping you pack the aeroguard - or you're gonna get bit.
:)

[MargueriteBee]

Tingelcave, you are wonderful!

[onawah]

Click here for an entertaining public catch-up conversation between Kerry and myself - when, without a guest for her radio show today, she called me to ask if I'd be willing to come on with zero notice.

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_Kerry_Cassidy_radio_show_10_Dec_2010.mp3

(1 hr 36 mins, 63 Mb)

It only scratched the surface of a very significant amount of material, but you might find it interesting. The last time Kerry and I did a radio show together was a year and a half ago.

Right now, this is all I can say - I do hope you can understand.

My best wishes to all - Bill

I listened to the radio show last night and it was really nice to hear Bill and Kerry interacting again, and the subjects discussed were very interesting. I look forward to hearing the teleconference with Wilcock and Hoagland.

For a long time, I have been very concerned about GMOs and global access to healthy food, (also access to vitamins and supplements). Bill's assertion that the poisoning of our food supply (and the vaccine campaign, as well as chemtrails which he didn't mention, but which are obviously also looming large on TBTB's agenda) is high on TBTB's agenda now, and is therefore what we need to focus on a lot more, both globally and locally. More people need to be aware that we are being poisoned, and DO something about it!

We also need to pray more for Bill and Kerry's safety and all other whistleblowers. As TPTB get more and more desperate, they may grow more careless about covering their tracks, and assassinations of whistleblowers may become more common. I'm saying some special prayers for Alex Jones too, who Bill says is becoming a big problem to TPTB.

Thanks to Bill and Kerry.
Namaste to all

[Peace of Mind]

In my experiences, when ever I witness someone doing something out of honor...they are always protected and rewarded. But, the perception of death is an effective weapon. This is where we are controlled. Dying is inevitable, how you leave should be one of the most important things you do here. Don't cheapen your existance by thinking you are just here going thru the motions. Be all you can be and more...then move on, to be even more. We should never decide to be the victem...thats just too easy and a cope out. The more we learn of our selves the more powerful we become. Realize that this place is just a opportunity to learn, serve and elevate. We paint our portriats of life thru our emotions. What else is there to do here? We are only here for a minute in time, so why live and leave here with regret and inexperience? Make the most of it, and in the process make honest attempts at making a difference...in the long run, the attempts will be appreciated, and the energy involved will be benificial for all.

Peace