What really concerns me these days - WWIII

[NeedleThreader]

Morning everyone, the full moon is wreaking some havoc on me this morning and has me more emotional than usual. I am on information overload, there is just so much stuff going on in the world my head is spinning like a top today. I wanted to start a thread on an issue that has been gaining momentum and that I am focusing on more than any other currently.

With the US elections looming, and Hillary most likely gaining the election through the rigged system, she is a key player in the military industrial complex and I truly fear for war as a catalyst for NWO in the coming years ahead.

If this timeline is achieved I feel strongly like the Russia-US-NATO situation is a real-deal trigger here. Wars have been started for less. (see good synopsis here for overview from infowars http://www.infowars.com/british-general-says-a-nuclear-war-with-russia-in-2017-is-entirely-plausible/ ) All elements of said article can obviously be backed by mainstream media news.
-With NATO and the US building a defense missile shield system in Romania
-The US flying spy planes over Russia
-US and Russia involvement in the sh*tshow in Syria, the list goes on.

The whole idea of nukes going off for real just means a very very nasty timeline for the planet. Yuck

I feel like I have been numbing myself to a certain extent as to what the new presidential election means for this country, laughing at the ridiculous campaigns of each as I blindly follow them online. This morning I woke up singing a different tune as a feeling of dread recently washed over me when I realized how hard things may become for humans and the planet as a whole.

I am a utopian pragmatist, but this build up is making me realize how much harder I myself will have to pull the light into my own mind and to the world to help wake it up and overcome our greatest challenge to our species - ourselves.

If anyone else is watching this situation closely and has any input or wants to share their feelings on the subject I welcome them here!

In The Light,

David

[Wind]

I too am affected by this intense Full Moon, it seems. Or at least my dreams are...

It's not nice to be "stuck in the middle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WROJl6QtNMk)" here in Europe, when it comes to the war games between NATO and Russia. Trump might be a megalomaniac, but I don't think he would drag the world into a war unlike Hillary.

I don't think complete nuclear annihilation would be allowed anyways, only possible small limited cases might be possible. I think it's fairly safe to say that before the elections there will happen a lot, maybe even big false flags, because the establishment is terrified of the thought of Trump being a president, after all he is anti-establishment.

It's not good to dwell in dreadful thoughts, because thoughts shape the reality. Even if I'm a realist, I want to stay optimistic about the future although I don't always have much faith in humanity. Yet lot's is at stake here, no less than humanity's future. Peace will come after the time of tribulations, as is said in the prophecies of the ancients. May we find ways to live in peace together as a humanity until it's too late and let us not repeat the mistakes of the past. Even one person, let alone a group can change things for the worse or better. Ultimately, goodness (https://www.facebook.com/PaulBruntonPhilosophicFoundation/photos/pb.209043629232210.-2207520000.1463835085./785646741571893/?type=3&theaterhttps://www.facebook.com/PaulBruntonPhilosophicFoundation/photos/pb.209043629232210.-2207520000.1463835085./785646741571893/?type=3&theater) will always prevail. Never forget that.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I want to stay optimistic about the future although I don't always have much faith in humanity...

It's a good point, but there's more than one context to this. I personally do have faith in Humanity as a whole. I have never met one single person in my whole life that thought the 'system' was fair, the world 'just', or war a 'good' idea, etc. The politicians and the power/war/slavery-mongers who control humanity are perhaps the only ones that do. It's them I don't have any faith in.

I really do believe the vast majority of humanity want to live side by side in peace, safety and relative harmony. What a shame that so few repeatedly and sustainably do so much to cause such doubt and misery for so many.

I do not believe a nuclear war will ever happen - like you Wind, I do not believe it is 'allowed'. We've had 70 years of nuclear 'peace', if you can call it that. It hasn't happened. Perhaps this is evidence that it cannot happen? Some people believe that intervention from up there, so to speak, is just a myth. But I really do think there's a case for it, when you consider the numerous reports of UFOs taking great interest in nuclear weapon facilities, and in some instances sabotaging them. That's a message, I say.

More than what we can do to ourselves with WMDs (and the Earth), nearby dimensions are possibly also threatened with these violent detonations. I don't believe it's pie in the sky at all to believe that if it came to the crunch, a nuclear exchange would be stopped or to some degree mitigated.

[Wind]

It's a good point, but there's more than one context to this. I personally do have faith in Humanity as a whole. I have never met one single person in my whole life that thought the 'system' was fair, the world 'just', or war a 'good' idea, etc. The politicians and the power/war/slavery-mongers who control humanity are perhaps the only ones that do. It's them I don't have any faith in.

I really do believe the vast majority of humanity want to live side by side in peace, safety and relative harmony. What a shame that so few repeatedly and sustainably do so much to cause such doubt and misery for so many.

Yes, you're correct of course. I should have said that I don't have much if any faith in our "political" leaders and I have been disappointed in humanity's current apathetic mindset many times before, but I do believe in human co-operation even if many humans have been seriously misguided and divided. No sane human wants conflict nor wars. Brotherhood of man will become a reality one day.

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[NeedleThreader]

I'm glad to hear a few people say that nuclear war is not 'allowed' as this is a topic I didn't want to venture into in my original post.

I am greatly interested in the reports of 'shutdowns' of nukes from our friendly helpers, and pray everyday that this is the case...

[jaybee]

The whole idea of nukes going off for real just means a very very nasty timeline for the planet. Yuck



I'm not sure that a significant nuclear detonation is as easy as we have been lead to believe - it might be that nuclear weapons can't be popped off here there and everywhere at any time - and are probably connected to geometrical alignments of the earth and the solar system / sun ---

this would mean that there are only windows of opportunity for significant detonations and all the nuclear powers will be aware of these windows of opportunity and have them covered in some way ..?


I first heard about this possibility through the work of Bruce Cathie ---

In other words trying to scare us half to death with the threat of nuclear war might be a conspiracy - because of the special conditions that are needed for detonation...?....

Keith Hunter, who is a member here has also done a video about it - I will try and find it some time soon --

meanwhile here's Bruce talking about it -- (Bless him he was such a gem of a man and a genius)


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[jaybee]

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here's the Keith Hunter video I was talking about - just found it -


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[KiwiElf]

This is true Jaybee. Bruce Cathie discovered that Nuclear Bombs cannot be detonated on a whim, any time or anywhere, contrary to popular myth and public scaremongering. (This is why "they" have ships, aircraft, subs (and possibly orbital platforms) to optimise their launch positioning at any given time). Certain conditions must exist (position of the the sun, target location, launch point etc), all detailed in his first book, Harmonic 33 and those which followed.

[ozmirage]

[1] Everyone needs to have ample cash ON HAND...it's not like the banks or other investments are faring well, so just keep the cash WITH YOU in a safe place.

This warning needs to be heeded NOW.
[2] Having nonperishable goods on hand is also prudent, so long as your stockpile of goods can also be protected.
[1] No.
[2] Yes.

See : "Alas, Babylon" for a succinct explanation of the folly of cash.
(The community, isolated after a nuclear exchange, discovered too soon, that a basketful of 'money' was meaningless, if there was nothing to buy. The merchants had piles of cash, and no means to spend it on resupply.)

If you do not have it, can't make it, you will do without it.

[ozmirage]

There is a war of ideologies, but not the ones you might think.
It's no longer "capitalism" versus "collectivism" - the world has long marched past that... if you haven't noticed that the USA went socialist in 1933.

It's the Boomster versus Doomster.

CORNUCOPIAN
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A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally they believe that there is enough matter and energy on the Earth to provide for the ever-rising population of the world.

Looking further into the future they posit that the abundance of matter and energy in space would appear to give humanity almost unlimited room for growth.

The term comes from the cornucopia, the "horn of plenty" of Greek mythology, which magically supplied its owners with endless food and drink. The cornucopians are sometimes known as "boomsters", and their philosophic opponents—Malthus and his school—are called "doomsters" or "doomers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopian

MALTHUSIANISM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism

Malthusianism is a school of ideas derived from the political/economic thought of the Reverend Thomas Robert Malthus, as laid out in his 1798 writings, An Essay on the Principle of Population, which describes how unchecked population growth is exponential while the growth of the food supply was expected to be arithmetical. Malthus believed there were two types of "checks" that could then reduce the population, returning it to a more sustainable level. He believed there were "preventive checks" such as moral restraints (abstinence, delayed marriage until finances become balanced), and restricting marriage against persons suffering poverty and/or defects. Malthus believed in "positive checks", which lead to 'premature' death: disease, starvation, war, resulting in what is called a Malthusian catastrophe. The catastrophe would return population to a lower, more "sustainable," level.

If you've been paying attention, there is a pervasive ideology that we need "environmental preservation" (buzzword for stagnation of human population). "Greens" seek to roll back technology, etc, etc.

The "Elite" are generally Malthusians, content with the scheme of things where they have more than everyone else, and realize that "too many people" ruin their scheme.
So they are maneuvering antagonists to exterminate each other, while the "Elite" abide in anonymity.

I do not see a nuclear war as a viable means to reduce population. The after affects are not conducive to the goals of the Malthusians.

My guess for prospective antagonists:
[] Islam v. Infidel (which might explain the bizarre policy to import antagonistic Muslims into infidel cultures)
[] Takers v. Makers
[] Collectivists v. Owners

ALTERNATIVE REMEDY

The logical solution to the biological problem of geometric growth is to expand human civilization into outer space. There is an abundance of energy (fusion reactor), resources (asteroids, comets, moons, etc), and expansion room (space).
The most economical solution, in terms of energy and resources, is to orbit the sun and planets, in giant habitats, instead of colonizing planetary surfaces.

I forgot to mention that space colonization and world peace are mutually dependent. We can't divert resources to colonize space if we're wasting them in warfare. And once in space, we don't need war to gain more resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_colonization

“Resources in space are enormous, both in materials and energy. The Solar System alone has, according to different estimates, enough material and energy to support a human population anywhere from several thousand to over a billion times* that of the current human population.
“Outside the Solar System in the Milky Way are anywhere up to several hundred billion other stellar systems.”

(* I think a billion billion is more accurate)

Based on population doubling every 50 years, each century represents 2 doublings.
Starting at 2012 AD with 7 billion people
Future ... Yrs. Diff. ... Population
2050 AD ... 38 ... .... 1.185E+10
2100 AD ... 88 ... .... 2.371E+10
2200 AD ... 188 ... ... 9.484E+10
2300 AD ... 288 ... ... 3.793E+11
2400 AD ... 388 ... ... 1.517E+12
2500 AD ... 488 ... ... 6.069E+12
3000 AD ... 988 ... ... 6.215E+15

4000 AD ... 1988 ... .. 6.517E+21 (sextillion)

5000 AD ... 2988 ... .. 6.834E+27 (octillion - a billion billion times greater than current population)
6000 AD ... 3988 ... ...7.166E+33

As long as the Malthusians are in control, there will be a danger of genocidal warfare.
But if Cornucopians rise, humanity might escape the confines of this planet, and truly prosper for millennia to come.

[Heyoka_11]

...when you consider the numerous reports of UFOs taking great interest in nuclear weapon facilities, and in some instances sabotaging them.

Apparently so.

I was hitherto aware of only one such alleged event, but it would appear to possibly be far more prevalent.

Take heart NeedleThreader: just Google or YouTube "ufo shuts down nuclear missile", and you'll get a wealth of hits. Here is the first off YT:

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Thanks too to Jaybee for raising the subject of Bruce Cathie. I posted a thread HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28339-All-out-nuclear-exchange-an-impossibility-The-work-of-Bruce-Cathie.) a few years back on his work. He has no axe to grind and is well worth a listen.

All The Best

Tony.

[ghostrider]

Enoch foretold Russia would attack America through the state of Alaska, China will align with Russia and America will be forced to defend herself on two fronts... the prophecy also states America's largest cities would be destroyed... the ETs Say prophecies can be changed f we choose a different path... predictions are cosmic events that will happen with absolute certainty... it is a very concerning time we live in, an 8,000 year old prophecy on the edge of coming to pass ...cool heads must prevail, or else book of revelations type stuff will descend on us with proportions reaching levels barely imaginable, a time that earth has never experienced nor ever will experience again... this is the second reason the descendants of the sons of heaven started coming to earth again 13,500 years ago...

[transiten]

I've alway wondederd if the Cabal starts WW111 how they can be sure to escape the damage themselves? This goes for epidemics also...

[ghostrider]

If it all goes south and the prophecy comes to pass , t th e ca an al won't survive , one third of man loses his/her life, one third of sealife dead, one third of the trees burnt up, if a person is caught stealing a piece of bread the punishment is death, all food and medications will be rationed, etc ...

[ozmirage]

There is one other factor in the coming conflagration -

SOCIALISM = DEATH

The cultural shift to socialist expectations for support have decimated the growth in population. Instead of relying on one’s own children, socialism tricks the people into assuming everyone else’s children will support you. Net result - less children.

And as population declines, the growing recipient population will eventually be left to its own devices, suffer and die miserably.

Worse, the indigenous population will be displaced by the influx of invaders from nations who did not curb their population growth.

Thus the glorious socialist state is consumed by its own folly.
The future belongs to the descendants, not the socialists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_birth_rate
(Note the birthrate drop in socialist countries, regardless of relative wealth)

[conk]

I've alway wondederd if the Cabal starts WW111 how they can be sure to escape the damage themselves? This goes for epidemics also...
Is this where the underground facilities come into play? They certainly seem prepared for something above ground with all the DUMBs and other underground spaces.

[ozmirage]

Biggest problem?
Our children believe their elders, their government, and their peers, before they'll check facts, read books, or study law.