The Law of One (Ra Material) question

[vanlakos]

Hello everyone!

I'd like to know if any of you have read The Law of One (Ra Material) and if you can give your thought on some of the answers that Ra gave to the group.

May any of you who read and understand "The Law of One" explain how come eating meat (killing animals) can be a path of love and compassion? meaning -> service to others?

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40.14 Questioner: In dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the most or the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. Thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. In this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. The vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products. These are those substances showing respect for the self. In addition, though this has not been mentioned, for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. Again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. Thus self reveals self to self.

102.16 Questioner: Would Ra please mention which foods are highly probable in not causing any spasming in the instrument’s digestive system?
Ra: I am Ra. The liquids not containing carbonation, the well-cooked vegetable which is most light and soft, the well-cooked grains, the non-fatted meat such as the fish. You may note that some recommended foodstuffs overlap allergies and sensitivities due to the juvenile rheumatoid arthritic distortions. Further, although sugar such as is in your sweetened desserts represents a potential, we may suggest that it be included at this period for aforementioned reasons.

18.4 Questioner: Are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?
Ra: I am Ra. This instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. However, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. It, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.

[Anchor]

I have read the Law of One, and in fact, have spent many years with it and it has inspired a good deal of my seeking.

It is not for everyone.

In the questions 18.4 and 102.16 Ra was giving advice specific to the instrument who had some specific bodily needs and is in no way general.

The advice in 40.14 is (as stated) more general advice. It should be especially noted the use of "and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products." - whilst this can obviously include meat it does not explicitly say that. Milk and Eggs are animal products.

> May any of you who read and understand "The Law of One" explain how come eating meat (killing animals) can be a path of love and compassion? meaning -> service to others?

I think this is a loaded question - I'll tread carefully since the idea of people eating animals (and more specifically actually killing then for food) causes lots of fights on this forum.

Humans on this planet at the moment are 3rd density beings for the most part. Plant and animal life are 2nd density and together with humans are part of a natural food chain - top down. The plants of second density derive their sustenance from the earth (rocks, water - 1st density). Killing animals is neither right or wrong in the natural order (animals kill other animals), but the way it is done, the motive, the reason and the mindfulness it is done with is, for me, the deciding factor in 'is it compatible with "love and compassion" ?'.

Nature is wired such that the food chain sustains up to 3rd density in this manner. (It does not however, follow that 4th is sustained by 3rd etc).

It is true that most people would do well to eat plant based food, but some cannot just do that and therefore the bit about "to the extent necessary".

In ny opinion, taking action mindfully to sustain the body is a duty to oneself and therefore maintaining the body to the best of ones means and ability. Also by extension if one is truly of service to others disposition, then maintaining the body is a legitimate service to others since it permits ongoing service with the best efficiency.

The sticking point for most people comes from the "killing animals" part. For those with a choice not to do so, I would say the best approach would be not to kill them. If one can practically and without harm to oneself stop eating meat, then why not?

I now live on a farm. I don't eat meat but I have had to kill some animals out of necessity (either end suffering, or control numbers of pests) - along with that billions of insects have suffered at the hand of my spraygun and my organic insecticide. The act and method of killing is its own test of ones love and compassion - all are blessed.

So, in my view killing animals isn't really the issue. What drives the decision to do so or not is the issue and the basic respects for the life/lives taken should always be paramount.

[vanlakos]

I have read the Law of One, and in fact, have spend many years with it and it has inspired a good deal of my seeking.

It is not for everyone.

In the questions 18.4 and 102.16 Ra was giving advice specific to the instrument who had some specific bodily needs and is in no way general.

The advice in 40.14 is (as stated) more general advice. It should be especially noted the use of "and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products." - whilst this can obviously include meat it does not explicitly say that. Milk and Eggs are animal products.

> May any of you who read and understand "The Law of One" explain how come eating meat (killing animals) can be a path of love and compassion? meaning -> service to others?

I think this is a loaded question - I'll tread carefully since the idea of people eating animals (and more specifically actually killing then for food) causes lots of fights on this forum.

Humans on this planet at the moment are 3rd density beings for the most part. Plant and animal life are 2nd density and together with humans at the top are part of a natural food chain. The plants of second density derive their sustenance from the earth (rocks, water - 1st density). Killing animals is neither right of wrong in the natural order (animals kill other animals), but the way it is done, the motive, the reason and the mindfulness is, for me, the deciding factor in is it compatible with "love and compassion".

Nature is wired such that the food chain sustains up to 3rd density in this manner. (It does not however, follow that 4th is sustained by 3rd etc).

It is true that most people would do well to eat plant based food, but some cannot just do that and therefore the bit about "to the extent necessary".

Mindfully, sustaining the body is a duty to oneself in maintaining the body to the best of ones means and ability.

The sticking point for most people comes from the "killing animals" part. For those with a choice not to do so, I would say the best approach would be not to kill them. If one can practically and without harm to oneself stop eating meat, then why not?

I now live on a farm. I don't eat meat but I have had to kill some animals out of necessity (either end suffering, or control numbers of pests) - along with that billions of insects have suffered at the hand of my spraygun and my organic insecticde. The act and method of killing is its own test of ones love and compassion - all are blessed.

So, in my view killing animals isn't really the issue. What drives the decision to do so or not is and the basic respects for the life taken should always be paramount.

Thank you for your honest answer! :)
I did not mean to ask this question in an offensive way towards others who eat meat, every one of us make their own decisions based on life path they follow.
The reason I've asked that question is to have and understand different points of view so I can have more explanation paths to the truth.

I'd appreciate if other people also share their own understanding of the question.

Thank you in advance :)

[Agape]

There is much you have not been told yet that would elucidate the meaning of this and many other source materials so you would understand their 'take' and 'perspective' on mankind , precisely, the status of human being in particular .

Unlike your 'darwinian theology' ( pun intended ) of last centuries and even the biblical dooming of a man to nearly animal status,
no advanced space intelligence would define themselves or you in that manner .

There's a thin line applicable Universally that divides 'plant life' and 'life intelligence' of the primitive category from 'animal life forms' and their 'evolution intelligence' from 'Beings' and the awareness-intelligence natural to them and us,
whoever is capable of such .

Definitions can be extremely broad within each category but further you proceed in your understanding there's a need for specification and selectivity .

That's how very advanced Life can not strive and evolve in very low key environments ( but primitive life can , as long as it's capable to extend its definitions and 'adapt' , which does not necessarily mean 'upgrade' or 'downgrade' , it rather means making any non-selective choice required for survival ).

The Earth is comparably low key environment where very advanced life is concerned, including human beings .

If it was perfect for you it would be quite fitting with your ideas , abstract intelligence and abilities as well but it isn't and there's constant pressure from the environment for compromise ,
which means either 'smart choice' if available or .. in worse case a downgrade .

From long time perspective of course, even downgrade is preferable from extinction ( such as one that could follow absence of empathy , with yourself and the environment ) but from your own 'higher evolutionary perspective' the same process can not continue upward ( it means you'll be turning in the same 'wheel' ) until you're able to take selective decision that respect you as a Being ,
for who you are etc.

From the perspective of any 'advanced intelligence' and even if you are forced to eat meat you're still a Being in trouble rather than an animal and your survival has to remain the preferred criterium,

well . That's unless it turns too bad .


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[Justplain]

Hi Vaniakos, in response to your request regarding feedback on the Ra material, i have read some of the material and found that if one can get past some the excessive details in the dialogue one can get a glimpse of what Ra is getting at. Ra seems obsessed with identifying all the bad ETs as being in the "Orion" group (no reptilians are specifically mentioned), and that although the Earth is protected, these bad ETs can sneak in. Ra doesnot think this is such a bad thing because it causes Earth humans to choose between service to self and service to all. The emphasis on service to all being the preferable path is Ra's message. Also, the unity of all, which is fundamental precept of the 'Law of One', is folded into this message, in that service to all serves the unity of all.

A passage that helps to confirm the veracity of Ra's channelings is the following section of the Ra material from the early 1980's that confirms the US/Russian secret space program:

The Law of One, Book V, Fragment 3
Session 8, January 26th, 1981:

Questioner: Am I to understand then that the United States has these craft in undersea bases?
Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.
Questioner: How did the United States learn the technology to build these craft?
Ra: I am Ra. There was a mind/body/spirit complex known to your people by the vibratory sound complex, Nikola. This entity departed the illusion and the papers containing the necessary understandings were taken by mind/body/spirit complexes serving your security of national divisional complex. Thus your people became privy to the basic technology. In the case of those mind/body/spirit complexes which you call Russians, the technology was given from one of the Confederation in an attempt, approximately twenty seven of your years ago, to share information and bring about peace among your peoples.
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Questioner: Would this type of craft come close to solving many of the energy problems as far as transport goes?
Ra: I am Ra. The technology your peoples possess at this time is capable of resolving each and every limitation which plagues your social memory complex at this present nexus of experience. However, the concerns of some of your beings with distortions towards what you would call powerful energy cause these solutions to be withheld until the solutions are so needed that those with the distortion can then become further distorted in the direction of power.

[Anchor]

I did not mean to ask this question in an offensive way towards others who eat meat, every one of us make their own decisions based on life path they follow.
The reason I've asked that question is to have and understand different points of view so I can have more explanation paths to the truth.

No worries and good on you. My bias in that regard stems from the fact that I've been on this forum a while now and some of the biggest arguments here ever to be witnessed have had the issue of meat eating and all that entails at the root of the issue - it is a very polarized issue.

What Ra said, like what I say is just an opinion. That said, in my opinion... Ra's opinion as rendered in the law of one is worded in a precise and excellent manner that many consider to be of extreme quality and worthwhile studying.

Consequently, as I am a bit of a fan, I do enjoy talking about it and sharing my own conclusions drawn from that material.

Additionally, you might know that the L/L Research group is still going even though Carla L Ruekert herself has passed on. There is a bi-weekly podcast that Jim McCarty and two most excellent Law Of One guys hold which discusses questions from seekers that are emailed or otherwise communicated to them. (For more information: http://bring4th.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=14 )

[conk]

Whatever Ra is, it is no expert on nutrition and foodstuffs. Some bad advice there, not egregious, but not accurate.

[vanlakos]

Thank you everyone for your replies :)



Additionally, you might know that the L/L Research group is still going even though Carla L Ruekert herself has passed on. There is a bi-weekly podcast that Jim McCarty and two most excellent Law Of One guys hold which discusses questions from seekers that are emailed or otherwise communicated to them. (For more information: http://bring4th.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=14 )

This is great info! Thank you for that :) I will take a look into it.