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This story has been picked up by the Mirror, the Inquisitr, Raw Story, and most recently, has appeared on MSN news. Some of the articles include potential British responses. A couple of these sites, I go to for political stories and consider them to be mid-level MSM, in their accuracy and fairness. At the very least, the timing is interesting, considering Hillary's statement that she will address (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-aliens.html?_r=0) the issue when and if she holds the office of POTUS.
Obama plans to reveal massive cache of UFO secrets before leaving office: report (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/obama-plans-to-reveal-massive-cache-of-ufo-secrets-before-leaving-office-report/)
President Barack Obama joked with Jimmy Kimmel about aliens and UFOs in his last appearance on the show, but now it seems the Obama administration may release more information before leaving office.
Steve Bassett, executive director of the Paradigm Research Group, told Daily Express that he has been lobbying the White House for 20 years in an attempt to get information surrounding UFOs declassified.
“This will be a reality this year and across the front pages of newspapers across the world,” he said. “The most significant news story that has ever been broken.”
Ahead of the premiere of the six-episode season of The X-Files, the CIA declassified dozens of photos and hundreds of pages of reports on UFOs dating back to the 1950s. But it’s comments from a top campaign official to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton that has Bassett excited. Clinton has promised that if she is elected, her administration will release the information.
Clinton’s senior campaign official is John Podesta also served as a top aide to President Obama. He is well known in political circles for having a Fox Mulder-like crusade to declassify the intelligence information about UFOs, what the United States government knew, when it knew it and that the reports should be available to Americans.
During a press conference in 2002 Podesta said, “It’s time to find out what the truth really is that’s out there. We ought to do it, really, because it’s right. We ought to do it, quite frankly, because the American people can handle the truth. And we ought to do it because it’s the law.”
Former President Bill Clinton admitted to Kimmel that he spent time inspecting classified documents pertaining to UFOs when he was in office. His second term marked the 50th anniversary of the alleged Roswell, New Mexico UFO crash in 1947 that marked the beginning of America’s obsession with UFOs. Clinton declassified hundreds of pages of documents from intelligence agencies surrounding Roswell and told Kimmel that he would tell Americans if he knew aliens had contacted us.
Hillary Clinton told Daymond Steer of the Conway Daily Sun that Podesta has “made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out. One way or another. Maybe we could have, like, a task force to go to Area 51.”
Bassett says he thinks that President Obama will release the information ahead of 2017, however.
justntime2learn
25th May 2016, 17:22
I sure hope he does!
My letter to Obama w/Kimmel clip:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88210-My-unanswered-letter-to-President-Obama
I sure hope he does!
My letter to Obama w/Kimmel clip:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88210-My-unanswered-letter-to-President-Obama
Did you ever receive a response?
justntime2learn
25th May 2016, 17:39
I sure hope he does!
My letter to Obama w/Kimmel clip:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88210-My-unanswered-letter-to-President-Obama
Did you ever receive a response?
Not to this day nor did I expect one LOL...
When I was a child I wrote Richard Nixon and got a response on Official White House letterhead but nothing from Obama.
Not to this day nor did I expect one LOL...
When I was a child I wrote Richard Nixon and got a response on Official White House letterhead but nothing from Obama.
Not even a form letter?? Ah well, such is life in these United States. So much going on, issues such as this are just a few drops in the bucket.
At this point, we're going to have to actually wait to see something concrete, like Obama actually on the news, speaking the words. There is so much distraction and disinformation out there now that when the truth comes, people are going to be self-programmed not to believe it, just because it will seem to be too good to be true.
Seeing ships in the sky or aliens on the ground, people will think Bluebeam and holograms. Even seeing video on television, people will automatically assume it is CGI, even if it is a MSM program. Seems a bit like the boy who cried wolf, doesn't it? With these multiple, continuously running and overlapping disinformation programs out there now, I'd say they've succeeded in confusing the issue so much that they can count on substantial support for business-as-usual no matter what strange things might happen in our lived experience.
And, perhaps, that is the plan.
Carmody
26th May 2016, 00:59
I don't think Hillary, if made POTUS, would release anything having to do with any UFO files.
It's above her pay grade, and as far as I can tell, completely against the agenda of the group who she works with.
I think she's just playing with the voters.
Even if I did see a so called cache of UFO files, I'd seriously doubt it's authenticity, considering the size and scope of the lies and manipulation for the past 60+ years. All I'd be able to understand that is that it would be lies, lies, lies and more lies, in the form of being a manipulation.
If all of them were dead, and all their connections dead... and all trace of their manipulations was gone, then I might consider believing some of it.
KiwiElf
26th May 2016, 02:20
IF released, I seriously doubt it would be of any great value - it will be "safe & sanitised" like the ones already released around the world by other governments :facepalm:
If all of them were dead, and all their connections dead... and all trace of their manipulations was gone, then I might consider believing some of it.
And this is where we are. I completely understand and agree, Carmody. The level of disinformation at this point is way beyond the pale and any information coming out of any government source has to be in large part co-opted. So the question then becomes, what would it take to achieve any kind of disclosure that could be accepted by a large majority of the population?
Would it take ships in the sky and physical interaction with the planet, our civilization and large numbers of people all across the planet?
I expect the conspiracies will never end. I'll bet there were conspiracy theorists back in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia. The Ra devotees had it in for the Osiris people, nobody believed anything coming out of the Temples and that damned Akhenaten...
Nick Matkin
26th May 2016, 14:14
If Obama spills the beans, what's Hillary going to say if she gets elected? She wants to expose all. But no doubt her husband eventually did get the info (if there was any to get) when he was president, but was given good reasons why it's not to be released.
Surely whatever Bill Clinton was told, he passed it to his wife. Is she going to do more digging, or just release what Bill told her? Interesting.
It seems an odd subject for Hillary Clinton to bring up in an election if she's not serious; it's just potential ammunition for her opponents. How come Trump hasn't used it to discredit her - or is that yet to come...?
IF released, I seriously doubt it would be of any great value - it will be "safe & sanitised" like the ones already released around the world by other governments :facepalm:
They have been, haven't they!? At the same time, though, they've peaked the curiosity of many and provided a bit of confirmation that there is something to the entire phenomenon. What would be the purpose of keeping people's hopes up, unless it was to somehow utilize this popular belief for their own purposes, at some point?
KiwiElf
26th May 2016, 14:34
IF released, I seriously doubt it would be of any great value - it will be "safe & sanitised" like the ones already released around the world by other governments :facepalm:
They have been, haven't they!? At the same time, though, they've peaked the curiosity of many and provided a bit of confirmation that there is something to the entire phenomenon. What would be the purpose of keeping people's hopes up, unless it was to somehow utilize this popular belief for their own purposes, at some point?
I think that's a Bingo! :)
What would be the purpose of keeping people's hopes up, unless it was to somehow utilize this popular belief for their own purposes, at some point?
I think that's a Bingo! :)
Check. Perfect cover for the Nordics, otherwise known as Nazi International currently stashed on the dark side of the moon, Mars and potentially other locations, to return as world saviors, with non-souled Greys and human hybrids as working partners as Archon-controlled Reptilian Overlords look on?
Or something to that effect?
Draco
26th May 2016, 15:43
Great post , but the Aliens already control us as Obama said. keep all secrets in plain view and the masses will never find them. Lots of internal bickering between the PTB and their overloads may erupt into a mass release of UFO files of remarkable footage. We can only hope the goods are delivered.:idea::Party::Party::cool::cool:
East Sun
26th May 2016, 15:46
Maybe they are afraid that Trump will come right out and disclose ufo as being real etc.
So they want to be first to say it.
Great post , but the Aliens already control us as Obama said. keep all secrets in plain view and the masses will never find them. Lots of internal bickering between the PTB and their overloads may erupt into a mass release of UFO files of remarkable footage. We can only hope the goods are delivered.:idea::Party::Party::cool::cool:
This does fit into our current Alt Community understanding. In the modern era, going back to the agreement made after Roswell to give up humans for alien experiments in exchange for alien technology. Going back further and into mythology, whoever those known as the Anunnaki really are, be they Tall Whites or Reptilians or both simultaneously. Anybody listening to Rudolph of Germany? I'm about 60 vids in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k4eh8Y2G90
I think that the bickering you mention is in full effect. While I take what people like Fulford say as suggestions and potentially broad outlines with heavy propaganda undertones, whenever he mentions the Elite, I substitute that for alien influence. So the bickering is definitely indicative of many Cabals currently vying for supremacy.
giovonni
26th May 2016, 16:21
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00077/NM594200_a_77842c.jpg
For President Obama ...
I would expect a 'slip of disclosure' could be in the cards - Especially heading into his final days in office ... Perhaps after the election ... Note it would not necessarily compromise nor commit the new incoming administration of any responsibilities - But could even make the subject matter more palatable for seated government officials to acknowledge and further address and expand on in the possible near future ...
The reality is - we've been getting a soft version of disclosure (via Hollywood and the Alternative Media) for a long while now ... And such a news item would facilitate in allowing for the ultimate 'attention deficit' diversion - For the final fleecing of what's left of America's wealth and world power significance.
Maybe they are afraid that Trump will come right out and disclose ufo as being real etc.
So they want to be first to say it.
You also make a great point, ES, one I hadn't thought of, thank you. In light of the status quo, Trump's status as official Ruiner would put him in line to go hard on any conspiracies he may gain access to if he takes on the role of POTUS. IF he is what many in the Alt Community are beginning to believe he is, a total Outsider, who will turn the system upside down.
This would be a great place for him to start bringing more people of all stripes to his side if he promised to go all in on exposing deep black programs, including any having to do with alien technology or presence here on Terra. They say 80 million Americans believe in UFOs. If he taps into that, his path forward might be assured.
I would expect a 'slip of disclosure' could be in the cards - Especially heading into his final days in office ... Perhaps after the election ... Note it would not necessarily compromise nor commit the new incoming administration of any responsibilities - But could even make the subject matter more palatable for seated government officials to acknowledge and further address and expand on in the possible near future ...
This is a reasonable theory. It doesn't even have to be much, or deep. Just more than we've had. And something indicating the seriousness of the topic, the REALITY of it. With the way this Administration has been going after Whistleblowers, it is interesting that they have NOT been going after the many who have come out speaking on certain types of programs and claiming that they have been vetted to speak on certain topics. And here, I'm speaking of those few who speak primarily of UFO-related topics and have validated roots in the military-industrial complex. Do you think that the near future holds something that might make Disclosure necessary?
The reality is - we've been getting a soft version of disclosure (via Hollywood and the Alternative Media) for a long while now ... And such a news item would facilitate in allowing for the ultimate 'attention deficit' diversion - For the final fleecing of what's left of America's wealth and world power significance.[/I]
So true, one of my favorite topics. Especially the most recent crop of shows, like "Under the Dome", "Extant" and others. I'm curious, why do you think that the PTsB put the truth out in these tv shows and movies?
White House evades UFO question as Barack Obama 'moves close to X-Files revelation' (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/white-house-evades-ufo-question-8053053)
UPDATED 09:48, 26 MAY 2016
This is the moment a White House spokesperson dodges a question about the Roswell incident - only to be warned: "You're not going to get off easy like that."
White House press correspondent April Ryan quizzed press secretary Josh Earnest about the famous incident during a media briefing.
It is the second time the spokesman has come under fire from reporters about UFOs (http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/ufos) in a week.
Another correspondent had earlier asked Earnest about Area 51 and whether Barack Obama would "beat Hillary Clinton to the punch" by revealing America's secrets about extra-terrestrials.
The questions follow weeks of publicity of the Democratic presidential candidate's pledge to release Government-held UFO files, if she wins the election in November.
Press Secretary Josh Earnest laughs off the questionPress secretary Josh Earnest laughed off the question concerning Roswell. Earlier this month, MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell also asked Hillary Clinton's spokesman (http://www.mirror.co.uk/all-about/hillary-rodham-clinton) Brian Fallon about her being declared the "first ET candidate."
Ryan, who is also Washington bureau chief for American Urban Radio Networks, asked Earnest: "There’s this increased interest in Roswell. You’re doing your dance at the podium about it. Is there a such a thing?
"Are you keeping quiet because of security concerns? Are we to think that there might be life beyond here? You need to answer this."
White House Press Correspondent April Ryan asks Press Secretary Josh Earnest about the increased interest in Roswell. Correspondent April Ryan posed the alien question to the White House spokesperson Earnest, appearing nervous and drinking water after being put on the spot, replied: "I’ll just say, April, there are some questions that even the White House Press Secretary doesn’t have answers to, and this is one of them."
Unhappy with his response, she hits back: "You’re not going to get off easy like that."
The Roswell incident happened in July 1947 when a 'flying saucer' allegedly crashed in the New Mexico desert.
Witnesses claim the military recovered the wreckage and alien bodies but the US Airforce said it was a weather balloon with crash test dummies on board.
Stephen Bassett, America's only lobbyist on the ET/UFO issue, believes President Obama is on the brink of telling the world the truth.
He told Mirror online: "When Andrea Mitchell and April Ryan pressed the White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest for comments on the breaking story about the Clinton/ET/Disclosure/Rockefeller Initiative connection, a milestone was reached.
"This campaign issue is now publicly seen as inside the White House. Almost certainly more questions will be raised in the West Wing in the coming weeks."
Read more: Hillary Clinton confirms she WILL release secret UFO files if she's elected
Grant Cameron, an expert on US presidents and UFOs, said: "For the third time in a week the White House is asked if the ET story is for real.
"The last time this happened was in 1997 when Bill Clinton's aide Webb Hubbell put out his book 'Friends in High Places' and then you have to go back to 1954 with President Eisenhower.
"The blood is in the water and the reporters have started to circle. These questions go to confirm that the president is the Wizard of Oz behind the cover-up."
rgray222
26th May 2016, 17:07
I am not sure why anyone would believe that Obama would release secret or classified documents before he leaves office. He has clearly proven himself to be one of the least transparent presidents in the history of the country. He has all but trashed the entire FOIA (freedom of information act) process. He has set new record after new record when it comes to denying request. The unfulfilled requests, "set a record for the number of times...federal employees told disappointed citizens, journalists and others that despite searching they couldn't find a single page requested," according to the AP. More than three-quarters of requesters received censored files or nothing at all, another unprecedented development.
The analysis also comes on the heels of a disclosure from VICE News that the Obama administration worked behind the scenes with the Department of Justice to frustrate attempts to reform the Freedom of Information Act. The investigation — ironically revealed by a FOIA request — showed that the White House "strongly opposed passage" of the FOIA Oversight and Implementation Act of 2014. The reporter who broke the news about the Obama administration working behind the scenes to frustrate and deny these request states:
I was "taken aback" by attempts to stall reform even though he says such obstruction is typical of the Obama administration's disposition toward public records:
This is the President who said he would not sign any bills into law for at least 5 days, this would allow each bill to be posted on the internet ( 3 days) for everyone to read. This simply never happened. Quite the contrary, bill after bill was signed on the same day as it was voted on. Most bills were never read by congress, their staff members or the public. Obama had the GPO (government printing office) working overtime to print bills at midnight and delivered to congress by 7am on the same days votes were taking place, never allowing congress or the public a chance to scrutinize these bills.
This is the same president that lied about the health care bill more than 20 times on national TV. Obama hid the healthcare discussions in different federal buildings so that the media could not interview the participants after promising to put the hearings on CSPAN. Congress and the public were not privy to any of the detail when net neutrality was being passed. This was a 330 page document turning the internet into a public utility. Obama has gone to epic lengths to hide the Transpacific Trade deal from congress and the public. People in his own party are calling this secrecy an act of treason.
Obama has a long and proven track record which can be summed up in two words
nondisclosure & secrecy. I understand the need that people have when they 'want' to believe something but to completely abandon reality is simply asking for disappointment.
Obama has a long and proven track record which can be summed up in two words
nondisclosure & secrecy. I understand the need that people have when they 'want' to believe something but to completely abandon reality is simply asking for disappointment.
Thanks for that in-depth analysis. It is certainly true and on point, as far as it goes. In regards to these other issues aside from Disclosure, Obama, as every American president has done before him, toes the line. Walks the walk. Acts as POTUS with the expected allegiances and obligations. Without getting into the associated Obamaspiracies, suffice it, on my part, to say that he is no different, no better or no worse than anyone else who runs for that office and achieves it. Or, probably, any other office in any other country.
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.
I expect that the potentiality of Obama trumping Hillary or Trump for some unscrutable purpose might be the only takeaway from this entire meme as it makes its rounds on the Internet.
And who knows? It might finally be in the interests of the PTsB to release more information. In order to move the game one step further along.
Agape
26th May 2016, 17:31
This does fit into our current Alt Community understanding. In the modern era, going back to the agreement made after Roswell to give up humans for alien experiments in exchange for alien technology. Going back further and into mythology, whoever those known as the Anunnaki really are, be they Tall Whites or Reptilians or both simultaneously. Anybody listening to Rudolph of Germany? I'm about 60 vids in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k4eh8Y2G90
That's just sick . I wonder how such a video can stay on youtube . You know , I'm sorry if I won't repeat myself on this *same* topic today because I did already and the alternative media and so called 'witnesses' most quoted these days are full of the 'powerful draco conspiracy' ,
mean and meaningless to any decent being .
Why do people quote the same nonsense , all the time , trying to sort out cutting-edge paradigms with IQ worth swinging wooden horse ?
Anunaki is only a name , human term signifying possibly 'Star Visitors', term popularised through and by Zacharia Sitchin who tried translating Sumerian texts , not a specific race of beings.
How much did the people quoting the term study the work of Sitchin or indeed , other experts in Sumerian hieroglyphs and how much are they aware of cultural interconnectedness of the Old World that survives to this day ,
in the Sanskrit language and Vedas and Old Persian and whole array of cultural diversity of the East ?
How much are any of these 'talkers' studied in wider frame of historical perspective they like to quote and how much are they 'to fact' .
Reptilians are a story you can keep telling people as long as there is no proof on the plate about who your visitors are and scare children with it .
How new is it that people would feed themselves with every testosterone enhancing drug and plenty of other supplements , regardless their origin including human flesh , in order to achieve invincible super-human power ?
This whole 'cover story' seems to exist to explain behaviour of psychopaths who want to live in civilisation but can not tame their perversity ,
and their dreams are nothing else than that, part of their perversity . And I fear such is not treatable through feeding them more luxurious caviar and powder from rhino horn ,
it's just a dangerous trend involving much fear that people will lose all controls under circumstances ,
the most scared are those who have lost them .
:Angel:
That's just sick . I wonder how such a video can stay on youtube . You know , I'm sorry if I won't repeat myself on this *same* topic today because I did already and the alternative media and so called 'witnesses' most quoted these days are full of the 'powerful draco conspiracy' ,mean and meaningless to any decent being .
Why do people quote the same nonsense , all the time , trying to sort out cutting-edge paradigms with IQ worth swinging wooden horse ?
I thought the same thing. This guy though, is not a witness. He claims to be a "Tall White", and states that most who call themselves "white" are not at all. Instead, they were created "out of Africa", as evidenced by Mitochondrial Eve. The "real" aliens are a small minority, in the low thousands, who are, really, incorporeal and inhabit human bodies that have been genetically determined in families that have done so for generations. In about video 50, the man who hosts "Rudolph" speaks, and his behavior and body movements are noticeably different. In effect, this body you see, is channeling an entity. Or so it seems. If he is playing, he is very good at it.
He says a lot of other things as well. In a long series of very short videos.
Anunaki is only a name , human term signifying possibly 'Star Visitors', term popularised through and by Zacharia Sitchin who tried translating Sumerian texts , not a specific race of beings.
How much did the people quoting the term study the work of Sitchin or indeed , other experts in Sumerian hieroglyphs and how much are they aware of cultural interconnectedness of the Old World that survives to this day ,
in the Sanskrit language and Vedas and Old Persian and whole array of cultural diversity of the East ?
How much are any of these 'talkers' studied in wider frame of historical perspective they like to quote and how much are they 'to fact' .
I am very familiar with Sitchin's work as well as the resultant controversy. Rudolph does not mention the term Anunnaki once in his videos. Nor does he claim to be Anunnaki. He uses the phrase "Tall White" exclusively.
Reptilians are a story you can keep telling people as long as there is no proof on the plate about who your visitors are and scare children with it .
I have no personal experience with such creatures and so cannot confirm or deny it. It is another of many Alt Community standards, which I am very familiar with as you are. I try not to make too many conclusive statements or judgments about these issues that I cannot confirm from personal experience. Difficult, yes, as there is so much out there and so many theories.
How new is it that people would feed themselves with every testosterone enhancing drug and plenty of other supplements , regardless their origin including human flesh , in order to achieve invincible super-human power ?
Are you among those who see Transhumanism as the future of humanity? I've read you many times, but don't think we've ever interacted directly on these questions.
This whole 'cover story' seems to exist to explain behaviour of psychopaths who want to live in civilisation but can not tame their perversity , and their dreams are nothing else than that, part of their perversity . And I fear such is not treatable through feeding them more luxurious caviar and powder from rhino horn , it's just a dangerous trend involving much fear that people will lose all controls under circumstances ,
the most scared are those who have lost them .
This, I agree with fully, as a very real concern. To me, this is the only real distinction in the human family. The psychopaths, wanna-be psychos (sociopaths) and the rest of us.
rgray222
26th May 2016, 17:45
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.
No particular enmity towards Obama, my displeasure with politicians runs the full spectrum. That said, my point was that Obama has a track record that speaks for itself.
Steve Bassett does not profess to have any special or inside knowledge that any type of disclosure is near. Wishful think on his behalf is not much to go on.
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.
No particular enmity towards Obama, my displeasure with politicians runs the full spectrum. That said, my point was that Obama has a track record that speaks for itself.
Steve Bassett does not profess to have any special or inside knowledge that any type of disclosure is near. Wishful think on his behalf is not much to go on.
Thank you. I love to talk about these larger issues, so distractions about the current POTUS as an individual just make me tired at this point and not wanting to conversate. :)
While the skeptic in me agrees with your underlying contention that this is probably bogus, a part of me wonders, as official movement on this topic in the United States seems to have been stalled at some point. These times feel important, the Shift and technological advancements, the oncoming Singularity and other indicators are continuing to compound and move our society forward. So at some point, there has to be further movement in the arena of Disclosure. I'd say, with no supporting evidence, sooner rather than later.
ThePythonicCow
26th May 2016, 19:00
I split seven posts off this thread to a separate thread: Split thread about Obama, from "Obama plans to reveal massive cache of UFO secrets" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90948-Split-thread-about-Obama-from-Obama-plans-to-reveal-massive-cache-of-UFO-secrets).
giovonni
26th May 2016, 19:54
I would expect a 'slip of disclosure' could be in the cards - Especially heading into his final days in office ... Perhaps after the election ... Note it would not necessarily compromise nor commit the new incoming administration of any responsibilities - But could even make the subject matter more palatable for seated government officials to acknowledge and further address and expand on in the possible near future ...
This is a reasonable theory. It doesn't even have to be much, or deep. Just more than we've had. And something indicating the seriousness of the topic, the REALITY of it. With the way this Administration has been going after Whistleblowers, it is interesting that they have NOT been going after the many who have come out speaking on certain types of programs and claiming that they have been vetted to speak on certain topics. And here, I'm speaking of those few who speak primarily of UFO-related topics and have validated roots in the military-industrial complex. Do you think that the near future holds something that might make Disclosure necessary?
The reality is - we've been getting a soft version of disclosure (via Hollywood and the Alternative Media) for a long while now ... And such a news item would facilitate in allowing for the ultimate 'attention deficit' diversion - For the final fleecing of what's left of America's wealth and world power significance.[/I]
So true, one of my favorite topics. Especially the most recent crop of shows, like "Under the Dome", "Extant" and others. I'm curious, why do you think that the PTsB put the truth out in these tv shows and movies?
Yes a good question ...
From my perspective - no matter what the true realty or consequences that 'real disclosure' might really encompass ... I would imagine no one government or aligned secret group entities has had a complete controlling hand in containing this worldwide UFO phenomena ... And obviously (to me) this is the way this phenomena has gradually unfolded over the last seven decades ... ... While allowing those in power to set up and benefit from such contact possibilities ... And most probably any info/leakage into the general public view was contained and handled through secret gov/agencies to be dealt with when required.
TPTB over this period of time - while overseeing the regulatory control with the emergence of the new media of television - along with radio programing - could directly influence the publications of UFO/scifi topic books/magazines, pop music and of course Hollywood movies ... This would facilitate and allow for the containment of the official perception and acceptance of this phenomena reality persona to the general public for as long as needed ... And one has to admit it has worked very well so far.
Now - one might wonder why such MSM controlled programing such as the History Channels - Ancient Aliens - is seemingly opening the floodgates to these possibilities - I can only speculate it's close to showtime folks ... :meeting:
Agape
26th May 2016, 22:42
That's just sick . I wonder how such a video can stay on youtube . You know , I'm sorry if I won't repeat myself on this *same* topic today because I did already and the alternative media and so called 'witnesses' most quoted these days are full of the 'powerful draco conspiracy' ,mean and meaningless to any decent being .
Why do people quote the same nonsense , all the time , trying to sort out cutting-edge paradigms with IQ worth swinging wooden horse ?
I thought the same thing. This guy though, is not a witness. He claims to be a "Tall White", and states that most who call themselves "white" are not at all. Instead, they were created "out of Africa", as evidenced by Mitochondrial Eve. The "real" aliens are a small minority, in the low thousands, who are, really, incorporeal and inhabit human bodies that have been genetically determined in families that have done so for generations. In about video 50, the man who hosts "Rudolph" speaks, and his behavior and body movements are noticeably different. In effect, this body you see, is channeling an entity. Or so it seems. If he is playing, he is very good at it.
He says a lot of other things as well. In a long series of very short videos.
I don't know if he's 'Tall White' , you know I'm researching this topic for many years now and authored my un-influenced report , or better say purely ET sourced report from Bodhgaya 2002 on the subject of ET origins of mankind, happy to provide you with reference links if you don't have them,
so being cautious here much as possible but he actually states some nonsense about the 'white race' ,
too close to the idea that is obsessing mankind for long yet . The way you describe it sounds almost plausible and fitting with my own testimony but it's not what he's saying .
Confessing I've not watched all those videos .. but as long as his supposed knowledge and deliberations seem to go, he's using lots n lots of information available from many open access sources ( human sources ) which is what thinking 'white man' would do but 'Tall White' ( ET ) won't .
I think I can appreciate the difficulty in what he thinks he's doing , pioneering an 'educational project' on behalf of the ETs , and I'm not sure you really want me to feel sorry for him or not ,
being dumb human .
I really don't want to be overly critical or anything of that sort but his mannerisms too seem just human to me .
The only excuse I can apply to this is that it's psychologically nearly impossible task for an ET to hijack human IT services - without using the human inter-face of course - and so perhaps there's someone in there who won't tell us about themselves a lot.
While defining 'white man' would be also nearly impossible task and I suspect that from many ancient cultures to the modern ones , 'skin tone' is usually part of a fad and fashion
and while the makings of 'privileged white men' oppressed and exploited many human cultures of past millennia in domineering quest for 'civilisation'
to this day .. any sort of 'original man' is perhaps a rare residue and the rest of our human society are already programmed and 'civilised' by the same 'pale face' ,
todays 'white man' is a programmable man . In fact most of the 'civilised culture' as we know it was created to fit the needs of man in needs of 'programming'.
It's unfortunately taken over most of the old original cultures, people , cost their lives and fates, sold them to alcohol and drugs and social nihilism and depression they never knew before .. and that's sort of 'known'.
Original human beings are very smart, entertaining , self-sufficient and thinking creatures .
That's how they served to entertain the 'white man' because he needs a program to be happy . Without a program he gets bored .
They really seem to be that way, unhappy without endless curriculums, programs , everything has to be prepared forwards, spontaneity scares them a lot .
They feel lost in nature and alien to every other type of human society and the other people are all here to serve them .
And if they do something that the locals do everyday they're great heroes of course .
I'll stop here before creating major faux pas ;)
I am very familiar with Sitchin's work as well as the resultant controversy. Rudolph does not mention the term Anunnaki once in his videos. Nor does he claim to be Anunnaki. He uses the phrase "Tall White" exclusively.
I've just said so because how frequently is the term used in alternative media including what probably ought to be 'advanced research' reports ,
I used that as an example for many similar terms circling around in presumably 'attested categories' , making people believe in something/someone defined , a complex story that does not have real footing.
Of course I do wish that some 'ET remains' ( or DNA ) were recovered from under the pyramids or in ancient Babylon, in the Sumerian queen or one of the Egyptian pharaohs or else-where ..
so far it did not really happen but maybe one day . ..
Are you among those who see Transhumanism as the future of humanity? I've read you many times, but don't think we've ever interacted directly on these questions.
I'm not . I think that humans should understand about themselves better before considering 'upgrading' themselves to someone they're not.
There are of course , medical conditions and situations where technological or biological enhancement seems to be the only 'option' for people to achieve the life they deserve so they can't be really advised against such options .
If you ask about my 'ET view point' , the more and most advanced space races do not permit any sort of say gene-recombination or experimentation among themselves neither they'd do so to others .
It does not match their ethical standards .. and the list would go long here on what humans do or think want to do that does not match those standards
but humans - no matter what they really think of themselves - are considered 'civilisation in dire emergency ' so they're being looked upon as such,
without much judgement .
Toying with life in big way, even artificial life , never - ever plays well at the end .
If there are 'ETs' ( and their messengers ) who claim to be responsible for 'creation' of human race they're the 'perfect lie' people have been waiting for,
like orphan kids , waiting for their presumed 'parents' . It always feels good being someones kid ( or pet, in worse case ) but the truth about it is , the advanced spacefaring ET is in strongly advantageous parental role towards small, grounded human being ,
but .. they can't be 'honest friends' unless you grow up enough to be their good friend too .
If you ( rhetorical you of course ) miss omniscient Godhead , a Creator of your genome , parent , teacher or a spouse, in short .. till you miss your own intelligence and do not know yourself, are in fact unfamiliar with your self and not keen to be in charge of your-self , their intelligence will almost automatically supplicate and fill those categories for people , each of their own.
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This, I agree with fully, as a very real concern. To me, this is the only real distinction in the human family. The psychopaths, wanna-be psychos (sociopaths) and the rest of us.
I wish - but wish it is - that humanity would survive . Because people are beautiful ..
but wish they would find way back to who they are and meant to be, in truth . Wish they were honest and subtle and have those old good manners
but not the programmed so called 'manners' instead and shy when appropriate instead just primed for aggression and arrogance and knowing would stop being a myth but things like wars and dictators would instead fall to oblivion
this type of human civilisation I wish for .. while it's almost gone extinct these days together with our survival instincts , common reasoning , respect to life and all else that no 'original man' would doubt in himself and the other ..
but todays 'civilised and educated' man does.
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Atlas
26th May 2016, 22:44
[...] april ryan asks press secretary josh earnest about the increased interest in roswell. [...] "i’ll just say, april, there are some questions that even the white house press secretary doesn’t have answers to, and this is one of them."
http://vimeo.com/168268310
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KiwiElf
26th May 2016, 23:46
What would be the purpose of keeping people's hopes up, unless it was to somehow utilize this popular belief for their own purposes, at some point?
I think that's a Bingo! :)
Check. Perfect cover for the Nordics, otherwise known as Nazi International currently stashed on the dark side of the moon, Mars and potentially other locations, to return as world saviors, with non-souled Greys and human hybrids as working partners as Archon-controlled Reptilian Overlords look on?
Or something to that effect?
Sorry for the late reply - had to really think about it - the reasons are many, including what you surmised.
As some of us know, Obama was [allegedly] going to make some huge announcement about this years ago, around the time of his Nobel Prize. As legend would have it, he was apparently threatened (the Norway Spiral) by the Cabal and backed off.
My belief is this: if anyone is part of, or under the control of the "Cabal" then it's presently unlikely that any such announcement would implicate them in any way, or admit to the years of secrecy and atrocities committed to keep it secret, and I also believe it's directly connected to the Secret Space Program, what's really going on in Antarctica - and "below ground" shall we say? - true history of Nazi interference and influence, etc etc - which would open an even bigger can of worms. It would be their complete undoing.
Certainly any announcement by Clinton would be for her personal gain (not ours). Trump? Who knows... And Obama? Despite what may be his best intentions, if he wants to live a long time, I doubt it will be anything "unsafe". That Ace is likely to be played from elsewhere ;)
The rumours have also been flowing for some months now about the Cabal infighting, and whether we get full or only part disclosure and that some kind of massive information dump was likely within the next few months, depending where you look.
Remember the line that Jack Nicholson uttered, in A Few Good Men?
(Listen to the rest of it in relationship to disclosure and imagine someone else saying it... a high up Cabal member maybe?)
"You can't handle the truth!"
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The sudden dumping of ALL the disclosure info - even a portion of it - would throw the world into absolute chaos. As much as we would like to believe we're ready for the Truth, many are not.
The most we're likely to get in such a "massive cache" are a few more interesting unsolved sightings & encounters, (they probably number in the thousands), and perhaps an acknowledgement "they exist".
Yeah, well we already "know" that. ;)
Agape
27th May 2016, 13:16
I am very familiar with Sitchin's work as well as the resultant controversy. Rudolph does not mention the term Anunnaki once in his videos. Nor does he claim to be Anunnaki. He uses the phrase "Tall White" exclusively.
I've read Charles James Hall Millennial Hospitality (http://www.millennialhospitality.com) books about 2 years ago, all 5 of them and could not put them down really ( though number 5 is more less summary of the previous ) ,
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and due to my personal and long lasting ET connections I was contemplating finding the place where he served and going to see them .
Why not. But then I took the maps out ( some of the most detailed weather and geography maps Charles Hall himself provides ) and the google maps and went to search where 'Dog Bone Lake' (http://mapcarta.com/23351824) is and figured out it's actually within the Tonnopah range , close to the nuclear testing site so in fact , one of the most secure territories on the planet where they most likely , do not like trespassing :bigsmile:
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Speaking of 'Tall Whites' and if they have any sort of security agreement with the US government they'd most likely press on the non-disclosure button as long as possible , for their own safety .
It's not even clear to me if they're the same people our ancestors were , maybe just relatives .
I wonder if you had any personal experience with those or similar Beings in this lifetime ...?
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Mark (Star Mariner)
27th May 2016, 14:10
...Clinton has promised that if she is elected, her administration will release the information...
I wouldn't believe a word that woman says. The same promise was made back in the campaign days of Jimmy Carter...he fully intended to release all 'the secret UFO information' if he got into office. :facepalm:
From my perspective - no matter what the true realty or consequences that 'real disclosure' might really encompass ... I would imagine no one government or aligned secret group entities has had a complete controlling hand in containing this worldwide UFO phenomena ... And obviously (to me) this is the way this phenomena has gradually unfolded over the last seven decades ... ... While allowing those in power to set up and benefit from such contact possibilities ... And most probably any info/leakage into the general public view was contained and handled through secret gov/agencies to be dealt with when required.
While I've perused as much info as anybody about the makeup of the Cabal at the uppermost echelons, its ability to maintain a worldwide paradigm through a broad network of esoteric organizations still escapes me. The sheer scale of it and necessity for operation security boggles the mind. Outside of direct experience, it is still truly possible to disbelieve in the existence of advanced technology and non-terrestrial intelligences.
TPTB over this period of time - while overseeing the regulatory control with the emergence of the new media of television - along with radio programing - could directly influence the publications of UFO/scifi topic books/magazines, pop music and of course Hollywood movies ... This would facilitate and allow for the containment of the official perception and acceptance of this phenomena reality persona to the general public for as long as needed ... And one has to admit it has worked very well so far.
Now - one might wonder why such MSM controlled programing such as the History Channels - Ancient Aliens - is seemingly opening the floodgates to these possibilities - I can only speculate it's close to showtime folks ... :meeting:
It is my understanding that they must tell the truth. That there is some higher directive at the ethical/spiritual level that all must abide by or risk consequences. It is allowed for them to include out and out lies and misdirections, but somewhere in the mix, there must be truth. We are each responsible for finding the truth. Those who lie as easily as breath are not responsible for our laziness in determining truth.
I get the same feeling, that we are close to something. As that is a relative measurement, "close" in this instance and to me, means within this lifetime and, even more specifically, within a span of 10 years.
I don't know if he's 'Tall White' , you know I'm researching this topic for many years now and authored my un-influenced report , or better say purely ET sourced report from Bodhgaya 2002 on the subject of ET origins of mankind, happy to provide you with reference links if you don't have them,
so being cautious here much as possible but he actually states some nonsense about the 'white race' ,
too close to the idea that is obsessing mankind for long yet . The way you describe it sounds almost plausible and fitting with my own testimony but it's not what he's saying .
Well, I guess we have a different understanding, but he has repeated the idea numerous times over the span of the 60 videos that I've watched. That most who call themselves white are actually descended from Africans. While those, like him, who are Tall Whites, are extra-terrestrials. Is the human host of alien dna? The old, aristocratic German family that is related to Hitler? Or, is the entity Rudolph, who inhabits the bodies of the eldest son of this family, the alien? He has not yet made that clear.
Confessing I've not watched all those videos .. but as long as his supposed knowledge and deliberations seem to go, he's using lots n lots of information available from many open access sources ( human sources ) which is what thinking 'white man' would do but 'Tall White' ( ET ) won't . I think I can appreciate the difficulty in what he thinks he's doing , pioneering an 'educational project' on behalf of the ETs , and I'm not sure you really want me to feel sorry for him or not , being dumb human .
It is an amazing series, to me. I have been watching it looking for inconsistencies. I'm surprised by his consistency. Also, some of his methods. He uses NLP, meditations and other methods and is seeking with these videos to move beyond the old racist categorizations of the Nazis. He has stated that the entity, Rudolph, has decided those methods are ineffective and he seeks to cultivate a multiracial group of initiates for some reason that is not yet clear to me.
I really don't want to be overly critical or anything of that sort but his mannerisms too seem just human to me . The only excuse I can apply to this is that it's psychologically nearly impossible task for an ET to hijack human IT services - without using the human inter-face of course - and so perhaps there's someone in there who won't tell us about themselves a lot.
Yes. You have to watch the "lesson" where the host speaks. Note his unconscious mannerisms and body movements. After watching "Rudolph" for 50 videos, seeing the host speak and the difference between them is striking.
While defining 'white man' would be also nearly impossible task and I suspect that from many ancient cultures to the modern ones , 'skin tone' is usually part of a fad and fashion and while the makings of 'privileged white men' oppressed and exploited many human cultures of past millennia in domineering quest for 'civilisation' to this day .. any sort of 'original man' is perhaps a rare residue and the rest of our human society are already programmed and 'civilised' by the same 'pale face' ,todays 'white man' is a programmable man . In fact most of the 'civilised culture' as we know it was created to fit the needs of man in needs of 'programming'.
What we call "white" today and what we understand as the "white race" is a social construct that began here, in the United States in the late 1600s early 1700s to differentiate the Irish from the Blacks, with whom they had found common cause and were begin to rebel against the landowners and southern aristocracy. The Irish and others now considered white were given land and power, were hired as overseers and conscripted to the "slave patrols" to control the enslaved black populations. This is the first iteration of the "white race" known on this planet. Before then, different ethnicities were often considered to be different racial groups by Europeans.
Original human beings are very smart, entertaining , self-sufficient and thinking creatures . That's how they served to entertain the 'white man' because he needs a program to be happy . Without a program he gets bored . They really seem to be that way, unhappy without endless curriculums, programs , everything has to be prepared forwards, spontaneity scares them a lot . They feel lost in nature and alien to every other type of human society and the other people are all here to serve them . And if they do something that the locals do everyday they're great heroes of course .
I'll stop here before creating major faux pas ;)
You said quite a lot here. Thank you for that. I'm sure a lot of it hits the mark.
I'm not . I think that humans should understand about themselves better before considering 'upgrading' themselves to someone they're not. There are of course , medical conditions and situations where technological or biological enhancement seems to be the only 'option' for people to achieve the life they deserve so they can't be really advised against such options .
If you ask about my 'ET view point' , the more and most advanced space races do not permit any sort of say gene-recombination or experimentation among themselves neither they'd do so to others . It does not match their ethical standards .. and the list would go long here on what humans do or think want to do that does not match those standards but humans - no matter what they really think of themselves - are considered 'civilisation in dire emergency ' so they're being looked upon as such, without much judgement .
Thank you for that perspective. It makes sense for these races to want to retain their essential beingness. Have you read alien mind by George Lubuono (http://wespenre.com/pdf/AlienMind.pdf)? This link is to the pdf. He claims direct experience and speaks on some very interesting topics. Human capacity is underrated by most humans. We are capable of so much more than we believe. These bodies are, as are the limitless spirits and souls within them. Our limitations are only caused by a lack of experience and understanding. Even space travel is not beyond us, individually and collectively, without space ships.
If there are 'ETs' ( and their messengers ) who claim to be responsible for 'creation' of human race they're the 'perfect lie' people have been waiting for, like orphan kids , waiting for their presumed 'parents' . It always feels good being someones kid ( or pet, in worse case ) but the truth about it is , the advanced spacefaring ET is in strongly advantageous parental role towards small, grounded human being , but .. they can't be 'honest friends' unless you grow up enough to be their good friend too . If you ( rhetorical you of course ) miss omniscient Godhead , a Creator of your genome , parent , teacher or a spouse, in short .. till you miss your own intelligence and do not know yourself, are in fact unfamiliar with your self and not keen to be in charge of your-self , their intelligence will almost automatically supplicate and fill those categories for people , each of their own.
You sound like George. :) He is writing a sequel, which will be complete in another few months. Spirit is mandatory and, apparently, understood throughout the rest of the universe. Our issues of polarity, of extreme materiality, are a drag on our evolution as a species it seems. Well said.
I wish - but wish it is - that humanity would survive . Because people are beautiful ..
but wish they would find way back to who they are and meant to be, in truth . Wish they were honest and subtle and have those old good manners but not the programmed so called 'manners' instead and shy when appropriate instead just primed for aggression and arrogance and knowing would stop being a myth but things like wars and dictators would instead fall to oblivion
this type of human civilisation I wish for .. while it's almost gone extinct these days together with our survival instincts , common reasoning , respect to life and all else that no 'original man' would doubt in himself and the other ..
but todays 'civilised and educated' man does.
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Just lovely. Thank you so much. Many of us try to embody this way of being, and also wish for the same.
Basho
27th May 2016, 17:09
Learned a lot from reading the posts on this thread, especially the last 2 posts. So thank you rahkyt!
Gonna enjoy watching the rest of the Rudolph vids & reading the George Lubuono PDF this weekend :Party:
Carmody
27th May 2016, 18:04
So animus directed at him particularly is misplaced in this discussion and I'd like to keep us on that topic specifically as I've already made clear earlier in this thread.
No particular enmity towards Obama, my displeasure with politicians runs the full spectrum. That said, my point was that Obama has a track record that speaks for itself.
Steve Bassett does not profess to have any special or inside knowledge that any type of disclosure is near. Wishful think on his behalf is not much to go on.
Thank you. I love to talk about these larger issues, so distractions about the current POTUS as an individual just make me tired at this point and not wanting to conversate. :)
While the skeptic in me agrees with your underlying contention that this is probably bogus, a part of me wonders, as official movement on this topic in the United States seems to have been stalled at some point. These times feel important, the Shift and technological advancements, the oncoming Singularity and other indicators are continuing to compound and move our society forward. So at some point, there has to be further movement in the arena of Disclosure. I'd say, with no supporting evidence, sooner rather than later.
Well, if they do not reveal... and the reveal comes regardless, they are looking at total annihilation if they do not reveal ---first.
The difference between admittance and damage control vs being caught out.
In this case it verges on being an annihilation that goes right to to their genetic capacity to reproduce.
The rage of the public will have no bounds, nay... it will be driven.... in a way that is, for all intent and purpose, unfathomable.
for example, even the idea of looking out a window, at the sidewalk and the grass, that entire scenario is totally out of kilter, it is all a lie, a lie of unimaginable twisting. Everyone you know who has died, or lived, in all of the past 70 years, minimum, all of it is a lie.
Their lives, their hopes, their fortunes, their deaths, their pains, the careers, the deaths, the cares and concerns, all of it a giant stinking twisted LIE. The condition of the world, as you know it, right now, all of it is an unnecessary lie.
For..if people understand that everything is wrong, all of it, all of it is twisted..... Their very idea of being alive and intelligence, futures...is twisted beyond belief, beyond their very innate capacity to comprehend. To wake up and find you are a manipulated short lived RETARD.
That this encompasses the entire planet and all of it's facets both grandiose and micro, all directions, environment, radiation, pollution, mass extinctions....the whole thing in all possible ways.
All because of this alien secrecy.
Think about the kind of rage that will engender. There is not even a human capacity to express or relate the level of rage. It is totally out of all bounds.
Agape
27th May 2016, 20:25
I don't know if he's 'Tall White' , you know I'm researching this topic for many years now and authored my un-influenced report , or better say purely ET sourced report from Bodhgaya 2002 on the subject of ET origins of mankind, happy to provide you with reference links if you don't have them,
so being cautious here much as possible but he actually states some nonsense about the 'white race' ,
too close to the idea that is obsessing mankind for long yet . The way you describe it sounds almost plausible and fitting with my own testimony but it's not what he's saying .
Well, I guess we have a different understanding, but he has repeated the idea numerous times over the span of the 60 videos that I've read. That most who call themselves white are actually descended from Africans. While those, like him, who are Tall Whites, are extra-terrestrials. Is the human host of alien dna? The old, aristocratic German family that is related to Hitler? Or, is the entity Rudolph, who inhabits the bodies of the eldest son of this family, the alien? He has not yet made that clear.
I can only explain this to you from 'deep within' my life experience , physical, physiological, psychological, central European , Tibetan and Indian , extraterrestrial visitor above them all .
And where things do get some 'justice' and when they don't.
I've received my share of deep knowledge because I went searching for it, physically too .. I went for that long journey to Himalayas many times decided never to come back till I know .
I did find and follow some of my teachers there and still do but not the 'white mans teachers' . I did not get my share of knowledge and encounter 'for free' or just copying it and dreaming i'm someone important.
I hate to say those things but it's true. I walked the path on my own , perhaps the last years when finding the authentic seers of old was somehow possible .
I'll have to skip over a lot right now otherwise we would get drawn in much human chatter and there are others here to have their say .
You can always read about what I saw in Bodhgaya 2002 (http://www.ufocasebook.com/etoriginofmankind.html)
And somehow , I was rewarded , from those I never expected , called for or worshipped . Those I could only 'sense' before to be me and with me but I mean in spirit , not in this 'human flesh' .
So I saw where the truth is , and how complicated it is , globally and how much do we really know , on the bottom line when we are in our own natural environment - time space and the same reality being quite well defined , corporeal as well .
Technically , you could probably describe the same phenomenon as 'walk-in' though I don't think it's completely fitting its purpose here .
( for me , a 'walk-in' would be someone 'walking in' or taking conscious possession of human body for period of time then 'walking out' ) . From the ET perspective we're probably just that . From human perspective, we're 'born-ins' .
There're terms specific to certain Tibetan tantras ( the Guhyasamaja tantra , for example that I've studied ) that describe the same phenomenon as 'illusory body' and there are many types of them , for starters.
The 'illusory body of the training path' differs from 'the illusory body of attainment' , and there are 'impure illusory body' and 'pure illusory body' and that's from the bottom-up human perspective,
similarly , where the process of 'born-ins' or what we could vaguely translate as 'incarnations' of various entities ( ETs in this case ) to human body/realm ,
there are also many levels and varieties of such .
There's common misconception about Tibetan term 'tulku' ( tul- meaning illusion and -ku meaning body ) signifying 'buddha incarnates' but it was explained countless times to us during personal teachings this is really mistranslation and misinterpretation of facts .
I won't have time or even the courage to go to the depth of teachings found in the Guhyasamaja and other tantras dealing with the topic but for the sake of the topic here ,
it would take hours really of knowing 'Rudolf' personally to decide who is he .
One thing I can clear with certainty .. no matter what your family claims you for, it's 'not in the genes' .
My own mum was unfortunately to genetics among else and all those 'correct methods' when they were still in real diapers ( and me too ;) ) and she spent half of her life disputing me because how I was different .
Without doubt , the tale goes you choose the 'human host' , more likely the mother and father or even the baby , the 'life' .
As an entity though you have nothing to do with the way how the human body works and what it does but living sort of parallel existence , you merge, mentally and physically as well .
Even if you have human body ( like a set of cloth ) you still know you are not a human body . You know that naturally , without anyone having to tell you and more likely , it spoils part of your human existence as well because there's always struggle other people won't have a feeling for .
You can only wish that science invents an apparatus that would be able to show people 'someone is in'.
But .. you don't wish that to happen before the same science achieves unbiased wisdom.
The 'human likeness' sometimes gives out an impression that it's somehow essential to being 'you' . The human being wants to connect to at least some of its human kins and minds naturally and in gist, there's always only one you .
E.T.s can mimic humans to some ends but it's much more complicated for human being to mimic the more subtle and advanced ET though both was probably tried many times ,
the real problem I've encountered with explaining the ET data I received - for example - is mixing of human and ET information field - the kind of thing Rudolf tries to do - leads inevitably to much confusion and nonsense .
I understand he may be trying to 'break through' his human psyche and programming through all the NLP and meditation methods and all you have but if he needs those methods ..
the stakes are high he's not 'there' . These methods are fun and mostly useful for human beings to understand themselves better but they rarely if at all apply to any ET mind,
if only for the fact they're 'evolved with and for humans'.
But I'm still willing to watch somewhere ( seen video no 50 ) , that did not convince me a lot ( most of my good friends can do that :)) ,
he's 'being himself' .
Me being myself .. can look and sound very funny but the way humans would play it out would be still infinitely, more entertaining . To themselves of course ..
more later times :sleep:
Who can surpass the manners ...
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THANKS TO YOU :flower:
T Smith
27th May 2016, 20:48
...Clinton has promised that if she is elected, her administration will release the information...
I wouldn't believe a word that woman says. The same promise was made back in the campaign days of Jimmy Carter...he fully intended to release all 'the secret UFO information' if he got into office. :facepalm:
Then he was debriefed, and, reportedly (from whatever it was he learned), put his head down on his desk in and wept...
As some of us know, Obama was [allegedly] going to make some huge announcement about this years ago, around the time of his Nobel Prize. As legend would have it, he was apparently threatened (the Norway Spiral) by the Cabal and backed off.
Now that you mention it I recall that, I had forgotten.
My belief is this: if anyone is part of, or under the control of the "Cabal" then it's presently unlikely that any such announcement would implicate them in any way, or admit to the years of secrecy and atrocities committed to keep it secret, and I also believe it's directly connected to the Secret Space Program, what's really going on in Antarctica - and "below ground" shall we say? - true history of Nazi interference and influence, etc etc - which would open an even bigger can of worms. It would be their complete undoing.
Below ground? Inner Earth Agartha? Where Nazi International is supposedly holed up? Where the Ubermensch that Hitler met came from? Of whom he was afraid? That "bigger can of worms" is the biggest. What would this nation and the world do if they realized so much of their, our, money, had been spent to build a technological civilization that we are receiving only the barest and belated benefit from? That they, now generations into the experiment, don't even feel like they are of us, or owe us any largess from that provided by the planet, to their advancement?
I don't know if it would be their undoing. It is always the bane of evil men to believe that others would do to them as they have done. People in general and the world, are pretty forgiving. If they would SHARE, and create the world that should exist in the here and now, the world might be content.
Certainly any announcement by Clinton would be for her personal gain (not ours). Trump? Who knows... And Obama? Despite what may be his best intentions, if he wants to live a long time, I doubt it will be anything "unsafe". That Ace is likely to be played from elsewhere ;)
The rumours have also been flowing for some months now about the Cabal infighting, and whether we get full or only part disclosure and that some kind of massive information dump was likely within the next few months, depending where you look.
And that is all that I'm talking about right there. It seems to me that it is just time, the way things are moving currently. Whether Obama releases sanitized and old experiencer files or even only NASA documents and videos of what they've seen out there in Earth's near-space, it would move the narrative along nicely. This stall that seems to be never-ending must end, soon. It cannot remain the way it currently is, with little news and millions of people knowing something is going on because they've seen it with their own eyes, and no word from official sources outside of the unofficial releases in the entertainment media and through fallible whistleblowers.
The sudden dumping of ALL the disclosure info - even a portion of it - would throw the world into absolute chaos. As much as we would like to believe we're ready for the Truth, many are not.
The most we're likely to get in such a "massive cache" are a few more interesting unsolved sightings & encounters, (they probably number in the thousands), and perhaps an acknowledgement "they exist".
Yeah, well we already "know" that. ;)
OK, I've heard that before as well and am not sure I believe it. That the world is not ready, that is. People get used to things really fast and really easy. The strangest and most uncomfortable of living situations. Of realities. Look at our modern society, even though we've spent generations getting used to this unnatural way of living, if you look at Amazonian or south Indian civilizations that are being overrun my technological civilization, they get used to it pretty quickly.
An acknowledgement that "they exist" would send us to the next level. Seriously. Because, then, people who are already experiencers would redouble their efforts and be supported, validated. And the flow of information, like Spice, must flow.
Learned a lot from reading the posts on this thread, especially the last 2 posts. So thank you rahkyt!
Gonna enjoy watching the rest of the Rudolph vids & reading the George Lubuono PDF this weekend :Party:
Thank you so much for commenting. Please share your thoughts, after you read the PDF and watch some of the videos. At first, I was a bit put of by Rudolph, but when I saw where he was coming from, I went forward as I was then intrigued. He uses pedestrian means to attempt to pull people in psychically and emotionally, but he states some things, I think, that are worth hearing. I would not advise you to do the meditations unless you feel drawn to do so. :)
The book is so good I read it in about 4 hours! Excelsior!
If Obama spills the beans, what's Hillary going to say if she gets elected? She wants to expose all. But no doubt her husband eventually did get the info (if there was any to get) when he was president, but was given good reasons why it's not to be released.
Sorry Nick, I missed your post somehow. I think there is still some competitive energy going on between Obama and Hillary. She would eat it and plan her revenge. You make a great point in regards to the Big Dog and the information he was able to access back in the early 90s. The situation has compounded by now, I'd imagine. It is definitely more dire, with wars and rumors of wars abounding and the many Cabal interests vying for ultimate power and to control green energy and the space race. It feels we're about at the breaking point. Does it feel that way to you?
Surely whatever Bill Clinton was told, he passed it to his wife. Is she going to do more digging, or just release what Bill told her? Interesting.
It seems an odd subject for Hillary Clinton to bring up in an election if she's not serious; it's just potential ammunition for her opponents. How come Trump hasn't used it to discredit her - or is that yet to come...?
it is potential ammunition, but she must know there is something to it or else she would not have given it any credence. She was very, very careful not to scoff or deny the possibility outright.
Agape
28th May 2016, 11:29
Learned a lot from reading the posts on this thread, especially the last 2 posts. So thank you rahkyt!
Gonna enjoy watching the rest of the Rudolph vids & reading the George Lubuono PDF this weekend :Party:
Thank you so much for commenting. Please share your thoughts, after you read the PDF and watch some of the videos. At first, I was a bit put of by Rudolph, but when I saw where he was coming from, I went forward as I was then intrigued. He uses pedestrian means to attempt to pull people in psychically and emotionally, but he states some things, I think, that are worth hearing. I would not advise you to do the meditations unless you feel drawn to do so. :)
The book is so good I read it in about 4 hours! Excelsior!
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Forgive me if I repeat that but he should be taken down . It's a real bad ( very bad ) sign of times to think that the man proclaims to speak for 'Tall Whites' ETs occupying bodies of 'otherwise very humane and loving creatures' ( such as A. Hitler ) and other power obsessed individuals around the globe ,
so virtually he makes the 'Tall Whites' responsible for most of the big crimes created and run on this planet .
I don't mind if he 'explains their reasons' , I've 'read it all already' . Osho Rajneesh was fairly good in liking Hitler to Saints and relativising truth thus,
and how bad are the makings of saints for humanity and the brute dictators are actually, angels in disguise .
I'm not unfamiliar with their reasoning . It's just pervert where true meaning of humanity is concerned.
And it's blatant lie where it concerns advanced ET races.
He's completely drawn to the 'power side' of it , in the videos , drinking himself with the opiate of possible power .
The bad thing ? Thinking he speaks for any ET at all . No advanced entity would conduct himself in that manner . It's a lie .
The youtube is full of lies but this one is potentially dangerous one and actually, unlike in other countries , it's a crime in todays Germany what he's revoking .
It's just LIE. No 'Tall Whites' would occupy or associate themselves with these people and their ideas .
Could be someone else and he's mislead to the Hades ..
:laser:
Agape
28th May 2016, 14:08
Rudolf : Part 111:
Here he claims to be 'part of an artificial intelligence' ( as the 'Tall White' ) but states 'everything' is part of the 'AI' ( I won't bother with rising the question who created the AI , since the term ARTIFICIAL itself implicates an intelligence that was crafted , art hand made by living being , of course some may argue that in the world of psychopaths no 'living beings' are permitted and they prefer to perceive everything , including themselves as 'artificial construct' )
and goes on stating that the 'AI' is 2 dimensional in nature and he's now introducing its
'prima forma' to mankind ( big claim , 'for the first time in human history' ) in the form of 'black goo'.
Claiming it for 'God' I suppose .
This man is very confused where any realistic perspective is concerned, speaking of anything close to philosophical views or even theories in physics .
How comes that Prof Stephen Hawking does not claim to be an ET while he'd have every reason and right to do that -
but this man donning black leather coat and hat of the Nazi SS commando is allowed .
What you may not know from your location behind the screen is that there are thousands of simple minded youths in Europe too who aren't really interested in proper education , they can just count the change they pay for beer and are fascinated with every piece of pseudo-scientific blurb the education system does not offer .
To state this more bluntly , we have few hundreds thousands of neo-nazis these days in EU ( and not all are 'youth' ) who will believe him every word.
So I want to believe it's just fun and not dangerous to anybody but it's really an education course for the young 'recruits' .
I mean, I should be the last individual to be concerned with someone like this because he's , mentally , 'hard nut' . He does not know how dumb he sounds .
It has nothing to do with his German . He's perfectly '2 plane human' , maybe right where his presumed 2-dimensionality is concerned .
People like him are sometimes harmless but sometimes they turn to be actually, dangerous.
It's also fairly possible that there are tons of videos of this kind somewhere on what they call 'the dark net' , with extreme nationalists of all ethnic origins and group leaders claiming to 'be that' .
There are Russian nazis , German nazis , African nazis , Chinese nazis ..
it does not matter by which name they go because them all seem to be caught in the same dumb agenda. It's the tragedy of 'human intelligence' that stops evolving or degenerated in many lineages due to overbreeding so these people actually think about themselves they're 'advanced', original , whatever.
...
Apologies for even posting this :star:
Found some videos that could be of interest , supplementary to your search
rkML-F3YFvI
7R-hTToDRzs
HaveBlue
1st June 2016, 09:57
There will be no disclosure. That is an idea (scam) so Hillary can bait the UfO 'crowd' into voting for her. If she was to get in, she will string it out to get the same votes for a 2nd term, telling anyone who actually believes anything she says that 'it is being worked on'.
That is not a lie in her mind. She is working on it. Those who are strung along (you) are indeed being worked on.
W said the same thing, that when he gets in he will put Cheney right on it! Greer is also right about how do we disclose what we don't have access to? It is all in the hands of private MIC contractors. They don't do FOIA requests.
Hoagland is right about the lie is different at every level. Each 'crowd' is another 'level' One lie for the this minority, one for that and another for them, and those and them and them. Why do you think all that matters to the Obama 'crowd' is the installation of transgender bathrooms? To cater for our ET visitors?
Speaking of 'Tall Whites' and if they have any sort of security agreement with the US government they'd most likely press on the non-disclosure button as long as possible , for their own safety .
It's not even clear to me if they're the same people our ancestors were , maybe just relatives .
I wonder if you had any personal experience with those or similar Beings in this lifetime ...?
I do ... I do not speak of it much.
I wouldn't believe a word that woman says. The same promise was made back in the campaign days of Jimmy Carter...he fully intended to release all 'the secret UFO information' if he got into office. :facepalm:
LOL is that so? I did not realize he had done so, but as far as belief is concerned, I agree with you. I don't believe much that I read or hear. But, it is the very stuff of our MSM communications, and I study these as well as our individual and collective reactions to them. it is worth acknowledgement, if only to firmly discount and move beyond.
Well, if they do not reveal... and the reveal comes regardless, they are looking at total annihilation if they do not reveal ---first.
The difference between admittance and damage control vs being caught out.
This is a very valid point. One that "fits" the times and the context. The seriousness of this issue, at this point in time, cannot be understated. The Singularity is near. This will be a quantum leap in the technological capacity of this civilization that must occassion some sort of response on the parts of those extra-planetary denizens who must be observing.
In this case it verges on being an annihilation that goes right to to their genetic capacity to reproduce.
The rage of the public will have no bounds, nay... it will be driven.... in a way that is, for all intent and purpose, unfathomable.
Many believe this is so. I am not so sure. 77% of Americans believe in UFOs according to some sources. This would only be validation. The soft disclosure has prepared many for "something". If it is "driven" as you say, it will be purposeful and of genocidal design. Perhaps an Independence Day scenario.
For..if people understand that everything is wrong, all of it, all of it is twisted..... Their very idea of being alive and intelligence, futures...is twisted beyond belief, beyond their very innate capacity to comprehend. To wake up and find you are a manipulated short lived RETARD.
That this encompasses the entire planet and all of it's facets both grandiose and micro, all directions, environment, radiation, pollution, mass extinctions....the whole thing in all possible ways.
All because of this alien secrecy.
Think about the kind of rage that will engender. There is not even a human capacity to express or relate the level of rage. It is totally out of all bounds.
You know what. When you put it like that ... yeh. You've made me mad just by phrasing it in such a way. Smh
I've received my share of deep knowledge because I went searching for it, physically too .. I went for that long journey to Himalayas many times decided never to come back till I know .
I did find and follow some of my teachers there and still do but not the 'white mans teachers' . I did not get my share of knowledge and encounter 'for free' or just copying it and dreaming i'm someone important.
I hate to say those things but it's true. I walked the path on my own , perhaps the last years when finding the authentic seers of old was somehow possible .
This is awesome to hear. Masters are still available (https://rahkyt.com/2012/03/25/the-great-gathering/) at other levels of consciousness. ;)
And somehow , I was rewarded , from those I never expected , called for or worshipped . Those I could only 'sense' before to be me and with me but I mean in spirit , not in this 'human flesh' .
So I saw where the truth is , and how complicated it is , globally and how much do we really know , on the bottom line when we are in our own natural environment - time space and the same reality being quite well defined , corporeal as well .
Amazing experience. But this is the crux of existence isn't it, for those so called. Living, consciously, as a multi-dimensional being, collapses the wave function of all potentiality into the ever-present Now. Some call it imagination. Perception freed of material constraint.
it would take hours really of knowing 'Rudolf' personally to decide who is he .
Agreed. It is his intention, that interests me.
the real problem I've encountered with explaining the ET data I received - for example - is mixing of human and ET information field - the kind of thing Rudolf tries to do - leads inevitably to much confusion and nonsense .
I understand he may be trying to 'break through' his human psyche and programming through all the NLP and meditation methods and all you have but if he needs those methods .. the stakes are high he's not 'there' . These methods are fun and mostly useful for human beings to understand themselves better but they rarely if at all apply to any ET mind, if only for the fact they're 'evolved with and for humans'.
But I'm still willing to watch somewhere ( seen video no 50 ) , that did not convince me a lot ( most of my good friends can do that :)) , he's 'being himself' .
Me being myself .. can look and sound very funny but the way humans would play it out would be still infinitely, more entertaining . To themselves of course ..
Thank you for your take on Rudolph of Germany. I found him interesting enough to spend the time to check out a good number of his videos. The frustrating and simultaneously gratifying aspect of being conscious is our individuated perspectives. I honor your experience and your opinion based upon your path.
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I wouldn't believe a word that woman says. The same promise was made back in the campaign days of Jimmy Carter...he fully intended to release all 'the secret UFO information' if he got into office. :facepalm:
Then he was debriefed, and, reportedly (from whatever it was he learned), put his head down on his desk in and wept...
Hmm that certainly does not sound positive.
Forgive me if I repeat that but he should be taken down . It's a real bad ( very bad ) sign of times to think that the man proclaims to speak for 'Tall Whites' ETs occupying bodies of 'otherwise very humane and loving creatures' ( such as A. Hitler ) and other power obsessed individuals around the globe ,
so virtually he makes the 'Tall Whites' responsible for most of the big crimes created and run on this planet .
I don't mind if he 'explains their reasons' , I've 'read it all already' . Osho Rajneesh was fairly good in liking Hitler to Saints and relativising truth thus, and how bad are the makings of saints for humanity and the brute dictators are actually, angels in disguise . I'm not unfamiliar with their reasoning . It's just pervert where true meaning of humanity is concerned.
And it's blatant lie where it concerns advanced ET races.
He's completely drawn to the 'power side' of it , in the videos , drinking himself with the opiate of possible power .
The bad thing ? Thinking he speaks for any ET at all . No advanced entity would conduct himself in that manner . It's a lie .
The youtube is full of lies but this one is potentially dangerous one and actually, unlike in other countries , it's a crime in todays Germany what he's revoking .
It's just LIE. No 'Tall Whites' would occupy or associate themselves with these people and their ideas .
Could be someone else and he's mislead to the Hades ..
Thank you again for sharing your perspective. Because he is dangerous, he should be censored, eh? Why is he dangerous in today's Germany? He is not proselytizing racial hatred. He does not speak of eugenics. He calls the racists of all colors that post in his comments "stupid" and "ignorant".
I'm curious to know exactly why he should be removed, in your opinion?
Rudolf : Part 111:
You have gone way beyond me in viewing his videos, so I cannot comment accurately on anything that you speak of. Thank you for the spoilers, though! :)
What you may not know from your location behind the screen is that there are thousands of simple minded youths in Europe too who aren't really interested in proper education , they can just count the change they pay for beer and are fascinated with every piece of pseudo-scientific blurb the education system does not offer . To state this more bluntly , we have few hundreds thousands of neo-nazis these days in EU ( and not all are 'youth' ) who will believe him every word.
So I want to believe it's just fun and not dangerous to anybody but it's really an education course for the young 'recruits' .
I am aware of the political and social situation in Europe. I try to remain aware of global patterns.
Found some videos that could be of interest , supplementary to your search
rkML-F3YFvI
7R-hTToDRzs
Thank you for these, I will check them out later!
There will be no disclosure. That is an idea (scam) so Hillary can bait the UfO 'crowd' into voting for her. If she was to get in, she will string it out to get the same votes for a 2nd term, telling anyone who actually believes anything she says that 'it is being worked on'.
That is not a lie in her mind. She is working on it. Those who are strung along (you) are indeed being worked on.
W said the same thing, that when he gets in he will put Cheney right on it! Greer is also right about how do we disclose what we don't have access to? It is all in the hands of private MIC contractors. They don't do FOIA requests.
Hoagland is right about the lie is different at every level. Each 'crowd' is another 'level' One lie for the this minority, one for that and another for them, and those and them and them. Why do you think all that matters to the Obama 'crowd' is the installation of transgender bathrooms? To cater for our ET visitors?
Interesting viewpoint. Thank you for sharing it. It certainly is one possibility. You speak as if you know. That must be wonderful.
Mark (Star Mariner)
1st June 2016, 19:25
LOL is that so? I did not realize he had done so, but as far as belief is concerned, I agree with you.
Yes indeedy. Carter had a now famous UFO sighting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_UFO_incident) (whilst Governor of Georgia) back in 1969, and afterwards became 'motivated' to find out the truth about UFOs. During his election campaign some years later he is quoted as saying:
"One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky. If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and the scientists."
Shortly after entering office he was allegedly briefed on the UFO 'problem' (by of course none other than George Bush Snr, CIA Director at the time), after which he reneged on his promise and fell completely silent on the subject. However, under Carter, there were a number of breakthroughs with the highly restrictive Freedom of Information Act, which he reformed, granting many researchers (the likes of which included Dr. Bruce Maccabee and William Spaulding) access to files from the FBI, CIA, and NSA for the first time. Carter was certainly not a fan of state secrecy as long as it did not infringe on national security (which the real meat and bones of the UFO phenomenon did). But regarding UFO's, I firmly believe they were way above his pay-grade to make any further move on the matter, to say nothing of public disclosure.
Regarding what T Smith said on the previous page (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90918-Obama-plans-to-reveal-massive-cache-of-UFO-secrets-before-leaving-office-report&p=1071117&viewfull=1#post1071117), of Carter actually 'breaking down in tears' shortly after being briefed on UFOs. That is largely anecdotal, but who knows, maybe he really did. As Carter is a staunch (born again) Christian, there's a possibility, so goes the theory, that the UFO and alien reality revealed to him basically destroyed his belief system, that orthodox religious doctrine was not exactly...how shall I say it...that the 'Word the God' was not actually the 'Word of God' etc ?
Agape
1st June 2016, 19:42
This is awesome to hear. Masters are still available (https://rahkyt.com/2012/03/25/the-great-gathering/) at other levels of consciousness. ;)
Thank you for sharing Rakhyt . You write beautifully .. :Angel:
I spent few more hours on watching Charles J Hall videos ( about 'Tall Whites' ) because they somehow , actually speak to me ( you call it 'ring true bells' ) and connect me to the group I'm familiar with .
We both would probably agree that most of even advanced human but moreso ET experiences are difficult to share on 'grass root level' of human emotion.
At least such is my experience with people and sharing anything internal that does not fit with the human world , over the years .
Emotion and human verbal expression seem to be closely connected . Some philosophers called human language the 'art of metaphor' and sometimes it becomes 'the art of pretence' .
It's for the same reason why I'm almost convinced that 'open disclosure' of certain subtle truths is nearly impossible in this age of wars and deceit .
Thank you again for sharing your perspective. Because he is dangerous, he should be censored, eh? Why is he dangerous in today's Germany? He is not proselytizing racial hatred. He does not speak of eugenics. He calls the racists of all colors that post in his comments "stupid" and "ignorant".
I'm curious to know exactly why he should be removed, in your opinion?
No, you may be very right . He's safer till he's in open . If he gets 'banned' or similar he would be doing the same thing , just undergrounds ; because they're thousands of those similar to him following similar 'agendas' .
I think he has actually crossed the subtle line from where 'racial extremism' starts taking place , not explicitly but by possible implication of his ideas.
Even if he claims that 'majority of white people - definition ? - come from mitochondrial Adam and Eve and 'out of Africa' ( that's something no ET had to tell him, or you, it's the currently taught and prevailing theory with which I personally do disagree basing on some of my own ET sourced data )
, few thousands 'tall whites' like him or us only , come from Aldebaran ? Ok, so it's not everyone but few chosen families . What's the difference ?
He does not speak of eugenics ? Not yet, you mean ?
The same 'stuff' he's preaching was probably taught in the occult circles of the misused 'Aryan race theory' that too surfaced not all at once but with works and cooperation of many esoteric groups and clubs of the 18, 19 and beginning of 20th century until it was sort of 'utilised' in mass genocide of people who were labeled 'racially impure' during WWII.
European society is more conservative internally in its image than most societies I'm aware of worldwide . Xenophobic is only one of the terms and it's not that people would admit it easily .
Europeans more than many other people ( in my opinion ) know the difference between 'right opinion' and 'wrong opinion' and they don't want to be caught with wrong opinion.
As such , majority of todays Germans, Poles, Czechs, Swiss or Hungarians are absolutely 'against racism' and ever were.
At the same time, very few do pro-actively learn about other ethnics and cultures that do not seem to offer 'evolutionary benefits' .
For most people I know of , the differences they claim difficult to tolerate are really about language, customs, food, religion and in gist , absence of the experience of living in multicultural environment - such as the one the UK have, the US or even India , where people of all countries , faiths and customs were always welcome .. with respect to their cultural diversity .
I can only say that I had to check my memory and conscience many times before I came open with the ET data and testimony on ET origins of mankind
because ..and after the actual event I was part of ..
the awareness of the occult origins of nazism came to my mind, spontaneously , marginally yet enough to rise an alarm with me .
The question 'and what if someone misuses this data' or 'uses them in their own liberty ' or just twists a meaning or two - because that's people always do
would not let me alone on couple of occasions and it's not that I'm aware of any direct connection with what happened before the WWII.
There's plenty of information available about it in open and on the net now so if you search for it you'll probably find it easily .
It's fairly amazing how much esoteric -sort of- information was shared among people at the beginning of last century that is not dissimilar to what we're discussing now .
Or, how much technical data did the German aviation and physics research had and how much of it was inevitably destroyed and forgotten for decades following those few years of global war and destruction.
But to every human psychologist or sociologist aware of the tendencies of human society to follow and copy what they presume to be 'cutting edge information',
the danger of wrong implication here becomes obvious :
if you say there are but few thousand 'ET families' , who are they, how will you determine who are ET or not,
how do they want to be treated, differently from the rest , will the rest of human society agree on this and so forth ,
and down to the roots , what are the parameters ?
I may know them with/in myself and from my life long observation, experience, medical data and so forth.
I'd never use them to tell off or scare others who don't want to be mentioned and if they proclaim like Rudolf does , being an ET,
I'd really advise to get themselves checked . Get checked to find out what can they show beyond what is human .
And if can't, how much chance do they really think they have of showing that .
Secondly, any tendency for deception in testimony - sure, you said he's not a witness- but a 'claimant' for ET truth he is , or 'street shows' is out of character from where I see it .
But, perhaps I'm taking things 'too seriously' .
Time to dash out :bigsmile: Thank you for sharing ...:bearhug:
Carter was certainly not a fan of state secrecy as long as it did not infringe on national security (which the real meat and bones of the UFO phenomenon did). But regarding UFO's, I firmly believe they were way above his pay-grade to make any further move on the matter, to say nothing of public disclosure.
So perhaps he did what he could, eh? At the time, at least. He certainly has not backed down from the sighting itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohgchUp0wYg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9ZoKfYCNlM
He is certainly cavalier about it. I appreciate his disbelief in the craft's extraterrestrial nature. Perhaps that is tantamount to an admittance that the ship he witnessed down in Georgia was one of Nazi International's Foo Fighters or some more recent, yet now vintage, model, flashing red, white and blue. :)
As Carter is a staunch (born again) Christian, there's a possibility, so goes the theory, that the UFO and alien reality revealed to him basically destroyed his belief system, that orthodox religious doctrine was not exactly...how shall I say it...that the 'Word the God' was not actually the 'Word of God' etc ?
Perhaps it did, because he has seemed to get freer and freer with his statements as the years have passed. Let's hope that continues.
Thank you for sharing Rakhyt . You write beautifully .. :Angel:
You are being exceedingly kind, now. LOL Our expression is a continuous work in progress isn't it...the polarity of being as concise as possible, yet also being as expressive as possible when describing things which cannot be described in material terms. I find myself often at a metaphoric loss. :)
We both would probably agree that most of even advanced human but moreso ET experiences are difficult to share on 'grass root level' of human emotion.
I am not certain. I do not know, in my own experience, how exactly to define extraterrestrials in a way that is different from how I have defined non-corporeal entities in general. Multi-dimensional consciousness does not translate well and in my own, personal interactions, while experiencing total clarity also understanding that interaction is occurring in a higher dimensional context which loses entire dimensions (literally) and swathes of implicit meaning when translated to the world of the 5 senses and normative experience. Like waking from a dream and realizing that the details you recall are only the barest hint of meaning.
Emotion and human verbal expression seem to be closely connected . Some philosophers called human language the 'art of metaphor' and sometimes it becomes 'the art of pretence' . It's for the same reason why I'm almost convinced that 'open disclosure' of certain subtle truths is nearly impossible in this age of wars and deceit .
I consider often the fact that most people don't even have the same definition for words. The same understanding. And yet, we write and speak the words to other people believing that they actually understand them the same way we do when, sometimes, they do not. As an artist, I have taken a certain license with words and I understand that others do as well, which makes understanding even more subjective. Deceit...in this context, is difficult to determine. Truths are withheld by telling other truths. They are obscured by misdirections. Questions are not asked with full clarity, nor with full understanding of what the answer entails. It is very complicated. Which, imho, speaks to choice and ignorance. We are responsible for knowing the Truth. Perhaps that means, "at all costs", which is uncomfortably close to the illumined "ends justify the means".
No, you may be very right . He's safer till he's in open . If he gets 'banned' or similar he would be doing the same thing , just undergrounds ; because they're thousands of those similar to him following similar 'agendas' .
I think he has actually crossed the subtle line from where 'racial extremism' starts taking place , not explicitly but by possible implication of his ideas.
Even if he claims that 'majority of white people - definition ? - come from mitochondrial Adam and Eve and 'out of Africa' ( that's something no ET had to tell him, or you, it's the currently taught and prevailing theory with which I personally do disagree basing on some of my own ET sourced data ) , few thousands 'tall whites' like him or us only , come from Aldebaran ? Ok, so it's not everyone but few chosen families . What's the difference ?
Yes, it is indeed, it is nothing new and certainly is in line with current genetic studies. I'd expect that IF his human host is of alien extraction, which I doubt, then he and the "small population" will have come up with ways not to be included in genetic studies and such, being Aristocrats and Cabal leaders and members by this point in our shared history, I'm quite sure.
Has he said Aldeberan? I have not heard him say that at the point I'm at in the videos. Also, I am not certain I will listen to him further. Your words have influenced me in that regard. I might watch a few more, just to be certain.
For those who are searching for something, someone, I am sure he has provided them with a focus. I asked him for a copy of his pyramid papers, he responded back that he did not have them. He visited my YouTube channel and complimented me on it. So he is accessible by someone who is obviously and openly of a melanated persuasion. If he is racist, it is not clear to me at this point. :)
He does not speak of eugenics ? Not yet, you mean ?
The same 'stuff' he's preaching was probably taught in the occult circles of the misused 'Aryan race theory' that too surfaced not all at once but with works and cooperation of many esoteric groups and clubs of the 18, 19 and beginning of 20th century until it was sort of 'utilised' in mass genocide of people who were labeled 'racially impure' during WWII. European society is more conservative internally in its image than most societies I'm aware of worldwide . Xenophobic is only one of the terms and it's not that people would admit it easily .
Europeans more than many other people ( in my opinion ) know the difference between 'right opinion' and 'wrong opinion' and they don't want to be caught with wrong opinion. As such , majority of todays Germans, Poles, Czechs, Swiss or Hungarians are absolutely 'against racism' and ever were. At the same time, very few do pro-actively learn about other ethnics and cultures that do not seem to offer 'evolutionary benefits' .
This is the feeling that I have gotten of his philosophy and knowing system. That it is in his family and is understood. You have a different feeling, but I do not really sense the type of energy that I overtly relate to dissembling. Nor do I sense such in his body language. But I have been wrong before, psychopaths have skills.
At this point, racism's most dangerous aspects are institutional. Part of the Archontic, pyramidal and repressive system of governance and culture that are nigh unconscious in most western nations. People don't have to be individually racist anymore. The system itself is. In fact, those who ARE overtly racist work against the system as it evolves and shifts in its expression to incorporate differential energetics, as it is now doing, in order to remain relevant. We shall see if it will be effective. If its core understanding of the world can morph enough to incorporate the shifting reality.
I can only say that I had to check my memory and conscience many times before I came open with the ET data and testimony on ET origins of mankind because ..and after the actual event I was part of ..
the awareness of the occult origins of nazism came to my mind, spontaneously , marginally yet enough to rise an alarm with me .
The question 'and what if someone misuses this data' or 'uses them in their own liberty ' or just twists a meaning or two - because that's people always do would not let me alone on couple of occasions and it's not that I'm aware of any direct connection with what happened before the WWII.
There's plenty of information available about it in open and on the net now so if you search for it you'll probably find it easily .
Yeh...Nazi International is one of my pet subjects. The world is. I've been Awakened politically and spiritually for a few decades now (I'm older than I look lol) and am well aware of many theories and understandings. What do I believe? Nothing. What do I know? A little bit about a little bit ... ;)
This is the context under which I interpreted Rudolph of Germany's entry into the Alternative Community. With a studied understanding of where he comes from, his tradition and the AltCom paradigm.
It's fairly amazing how much esoteric -sort of- information was shared among people at the beginning of last century that is not dissimilar to what we're discussing now . Or, how much technical data did the German aviation and physics research had and how much of it was inevitably destroyed and forgotten for decades following those few years of global war and destruction.
Yes, it is amazing. But then, this is what the New World Order For The Ages is all about, isn't it.
But to every human psychologist or sociologist aware of the tendencies of human society to follow and copy what they presume to be 'cutting edge information', the danger of wrong implication here becomes obvious :
if you say there are but few thousand 'ET families' , who are they, how will you determine who are ET or not,
how do they want to be treated, differently from the rest , will the rest of human society agree on this and so forth ,
and down to the roots , what are the parameters ?[/quote]
I kind of view Rudolph as a potential whistleblower who has been granted a dispensation by his people, the "Tall Whites", to familiarize a certain, knowledgable subset of the human population with their situation and status. As a careful step in some greater disclosure plan to come. If he is real. Which is always open to question.
I'd never use them to tell off or scare others who don't want to be mentioned and if they proclaim like Rudolf does , being an ET, I'd really advise to get themselves checked . Get checked to find out what can they show beyond what is human . And if can't, how much chance do they really think they have of showing that . Secondly, any tendency for deception in testimony - sure, you said he's not a witness- but a 'claimant' for ET truth he is , or 'street shows' is out of character from where I see it .
But, perhaps I'm taking things 'too seriously' .
Time to dash out :bigsmile: Thank you for sharing ...:bearhug:
Well, that's the thing. I have been checking out his home, his background, his clothes, the gold he held up for us to look at in one video. He does not seem to be in any way poor in material wealth. He seems to be very well educated. His attitude is not fawning, it is take me or leave me. He says what he has to say and moves on, seeking no approval. He speaks of the "Tall Whites" living off of human energy, off of pain, love, warfare, he speaks of money being our God. He says many things we who have taken the time to inform ourselves are already familiar with and he engages in purposeful dialogue and visualization processes that are designed to open a mind even further.
I sound like I am endorsing him and I am not. :)
I just do not know for certain what he is.
Take care, thank you for the conversation! :bearhug:
Atlas
2nd June 2016, 05:21
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uCiDvP1XE_Q/TmOxy_cGLAI/AAAAAAAABv0/vs6fWn4IEVE/s1600/voyager+carter.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uCiDvP1XE_Q/TmOxy_cGLAI/AAAAAAAABv0/vs6fWn4IEVE/s1600/voyager+carter.jpg)
The position of Voyagers as of early 2013:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Voyagers_Position.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Voyagers_Position.jpg)
Agape
2nd June 2016, 11:22
Our expression is a continuous work in progress isn't it...
the polarity of being as concise as possible, yet also being as expressive as possible when describing things which cannot be described in material terms. I find myself often at a metaphoric loss. :)
It takes time to most people to learn to verbalise their inner world, and learn to how to share its more subtle , more beautiful parts of themselves with other humans .
I've been through the process , maybe phases of evolution lasting few years each in my life when I seem to learn more from one or another way of our capability to verbalise . Each learning level is in a way , more difficult to process than the previous were.
Still seem to be missing the years when I was teaching , working on books and experienced the 'magic' of transforming reality through words and learning so.
When it came to my 'ET core' the 'Earth came to standstill' :), I did not learn to speak a lot since .. So in fact, and except for couple of rare friends and yet rarer occasions ,
I'm juggling what I am 'permitted to be' and who I am like with result of clearer or foggier 'mirage' created in between .
So definitely, work in progress ... :Angel: I suspect there has to be another stage to it that resembles Keanu Reeves walking to the NASA HQ and telling the 'full truth'
:bigsmile:
I am not certain. I do not know, in my own experience, how exactly to define extraterrestrials in a way that is different from how I have defined non-corporeal entities in general. Multi-dimensional consciousness does not translate well and in my own, personal interactions, while experiencing total clarity also understanding that interaction is occurring in a higher dimensional context which loses entire dimensions (literally) and swathes of implicit meaning when translated to the world of the 5 senses and normative experience. Like waking from a dream and realizing that the details you recall are only the barest hint of meaning.
That's interesting , well said , especially for the later part . I'd very much agree on the communication occurring in higher strata of consciousness and awareness and more prominent and valid it feels in fact , the less bearing it seems to have on the makings of this mundane , humane reality .
But then , there are also practical , physical aspects of that communication to me , ascents and descents and through them alone I was able to define the 'edges' , outskirts and parameters of the 'ET reality' being also corporeal and real.
It was only due and thanks to those rare physical experiences that would bring the reality of 'the ET kind' to my awareness and enabled me to discern between my 'spiritual mind' and 'ET mind' or even define the later, even if they seem to be inevitably merged - from human outlook.
There are probably enough facets to the attempts for ET-Human communication to fill a library of 'alien mind' primers ..
I think it's mostly the abyss of time and distance that start to make 'a problem' after few years of less or more successful definition attempts and while the fast spinning, terrestrial biology and psyche presses for faster answers
our 'space siblings' have usually still much time left in their 'pockets'.
I consider often the fact that most people don't even have the same definition for words. The same understanding. And yet, we write and speak the words to other people believing that they actually understand them the same way we do when, sometimes, they do not. As an artist, I have taken a certain license with words and I understand that others do as well, which makes understanding even more subjective.
I'd not say that better . But in my understanding , non-verbal communication is as important to evolve and practice among any advanced species as the supplementary ,
'verbal code' is , and from what I've seen in the human world,
we do get lost with words, in words , for words .. too often here .
It's a new 'evolution wave' even , I believe . If you look yet few centuries back the average human spoke much less and wrote down only what they considered the most important .
It can't be said they , people of old , would not have beautiful way with language or miss those subtle intrinsic meanings. They seem to have some that are barely known now
and yet, they spoke much less and words and thinking itself happened a layer or two deeper , I believe.
What's happening now to 'the human expression' scares me sometimes a lot . Blame me for not tolerating the 'vibe' . So I became very selective to what/whom I listen , for example.
What I wanted to say , actually, is words only serve their purpose if they convey the meaning ,
from one being to another .
Being playful and creative ..
Deceit...in this context, is difficult to determine. Truths are withheld by telling other truths. They are obscured by misdirections. Questions are not asked with full clarity, nor with full understanding of what the answer entails. It is very complicated. Which, imho, speaks to choice and ignorance. We are responsible for knowing the Truth. Perhaps that means, "at all costs", which is uncomfortably close to the illumined "ends justify the means".
It's what I mean . And as I said few lines above I believe it's one 'evolution phase' perhaps that the current version of mankind is experiencing and needs to pass over or perish ( :)) .
It does not seem to take long to the human society from when they discover the ability in them to pronounce and define certain layers of 'truth' before they 'wage the experiment' and see what it does - to invent alternative reality that is basically non-existent and illusory in nature,
in short and somewhere deep within everyone knows when they 'invent a lie' .
But together with the 'verbal flood' the flood of deceit spreads around equally fast , perhaps even faster because 'deceit' being illusory in nature , compared to truth is weightless .
It's like the power of money , power of advertisements and political opinions, things that spread like fire . Most certainly those who invented them wanted to assume 'control' .
The next 'evolution stage' of humanity , lets hope , will have something to do with the power of self-reflection and internalising the meaning .
How wonderful that would be like again, meeting 'real beings' out there and not just stressed , enslaved society of drones.
Yes, it is indeed, it is nothing new and certainly is in line with current genetic studies. I'd expect that IF his human host is of alien extraction, which I doubt, then he and the "small population" will have come up with ways not to be included in genetic studies and such, being Aristocrats and Cabal leaders and members by this point in our shared history, I'm quite sure.
I'd definitely agree on getting any such hypothesis tested including mine own :bigsmile: , the problem so far ..and from what I've heard from multiple 'deep sources' is that there are no definitions established yet or known in the human genetics field that would qualify anything as advanced as 'we are' or help defining 'where we came from'.
Lets assert that the human genetics science really is in diapers and despite a mass genomic testing projects that enable not more than collecting data about chosen haplogroups or help to follow evolution of few sequences through variety of human lineages ,
there's much still in the land of 'unknown' where human diversity and unique, individual or group patterns of biological expression are concerned .
If you were to compare one human being to Universe , the potential we're commonly aware and plays prominent role is like having some knowledge of this solar system and starting to look beyond,
i think it's almost plausible comparison.
I set still higher objective in front of me, hypothetically at least , to prove that all of the original human 'bio-information sequence' come from faraway Star,
another system with different physical and biological parameters
( because I saw what's happened to some of my ET ancestors here , at the beginning ).
Of course it can't be done 'directly' . A 'shift' has happened to the very biological information we are experiencing now in the human world, it's been and being terraformed not only on cellular level, on elementary, even atomic level as well.
So in fact , anything biological that suffered such terraforming shock is extremely hard to analyse from todays human scientific perspective .
Imagine the alleged 'Roswell crash' and its equally alleged survivors as an example . What many people do not consider enough is that any long lived , advanced civilisation capable of space travel come from more harmonious and hospitable to them environments than the one found here on Earth.
It was the result of geocentrism and anthropocentrism ( and human loneliness ) of past ages that made them position themselves as 'looney peak of everything' and hard earned 'life option' and to this day, most human churches and collegiums shrug at the idea of 'thinking too beyond' the current paradigm as of something intrinsically dangerous .
But the Earth and its planetary environment , to be precise are of specific quality that supports fast recycling ,
which itself is the most supportive to evolution of plant life who would strive here happily without us and without much if any suffering and other primitive life forms, likewise .
For more advanced forms of life fast decay and need to recycle yourself constantly , on all levels of density and gravity we experience here is certainly not an advantage.
The way we have to process food is not very advanced and biologically effective at all .
It's hard to take even much rest from the process ..
we are unwilling part of the 'task force' helping to recycle the crude nature here quite like it keeps recycling us .
Anyone coming from 'outside' , more balanced and stable environment and depending on their biological evolution stage , they'd more like experience fast decay as well .
That's about the 'Roswell survivors' or other such capable of interacting with the 3D human density directly or even , literally 'falling to it' .
That's of course unless they would be biological drones - programmed life forms - as it's been suggested many times too .
But for the rest of ongoing ET-Human interaction and where my experience serves me , most 'visitors' try to protect themselves from long exposure to either planetary or human 'density fields' and so in fact, they also stay at the very edges of human awareness .
I do believe that in some deep future when human Et contact will be also physically 'feasible' , we ( and them ) will have to build sort of 'teleports' ,
domes that will be somewhat like artificial biospheres with adjustable pressure, gravity , oxygenation , temperature etc .
combination of which all factors will enable both 'humans' and 'non-humans' finally stand on equal grounds and see each other .
Taken that replicas of such 'spaceports' do exist around the globe, including those of our ancient ancestors right to the modern times , it may sound far off or not but I'd think it's principally , adjustable idea..
Agape
2nd June 2016, 11:22
Has he said Aldeberan? I have not heard him say that at the point I'm at in the videos. Also, I am not certain I will listen to him further. Your words have influenced me in that regard. I might watch a few more, just to be certain.
No:bigsmile: I just thought he would . We don't know where from is he 'copying' ( mentally ) his information anyway but from the little I've heard , he's using pieces of information that can be found with many others,
typical for cultural 'inter-share' or 'intel-theft' of this century .
I'm ready to approve any 'cook' no matter how weird they sound if they come with original information/experience .
Plagiarism feels foreign to me and this man speaks of things he may have heard somewhere, just giving them whole new meaning .
There's of course , a hypothetical chance that he had found new meaning through himself in those ideas ..
or as you said, communication happening in upper layers of atmosphere resulting in another ET statement down here .
I kind of view Rudolph as a potential whistleblower who has been granted a dispensation by his people, the "Tall Whites", to familiarize a certain, knowledgable subset of the human population with their situation and status. As a careful step in some greater disclosure plan to come. If he is real. Which is always open to question.
Well, that's the thing. I have been checking out his home, his background, his clothes, the gold he held up for us to look at in one video. He does not seem to be in any way poor in material wealth. He seems to be very well educated. His attitude is not fawning, it is take me or leave me. He says what he has to say and moves on, seeking no approval. He speaks of the "Tall Whites" living off of human energy, off of pain, love, warfare, he speaks of money being our God. He says many things we who have taken the time to inform ourselves are already familiar with and he engages in purposeful dialogue and visualization processes that are designed to open a mind even further.
I sound like I am endorsing him and I am not. :)
I just do not know for certain what he is.
Weird . Yes I'm getting ( albeit slowly ) what you mean and guess ways it speaks to you and maybe the only reason really why I'm not in straight approval of him is
that I actually experienced direct contact with the Beings ( of our kind )
and years of lasting impact, way different experiencing of 'myself' than anyone I am aware of save for very few individuals
and so also the 'ET reality' spoke to me big way, through movies , other peoples testimonies and so on but always with greater caution and discernment .
I don't think i can 'transplant' my perspective to others completely, verbally or not , it works with few sensitive individuals usually - back to the start - hard to say why it works with only certain types of individuals including 'spiritual people' and 'psychics' ,
maybe not everyone have 'prominent ET genealogy' , who knows .
Guess it was just that I wanted to wave at you and say 'hey that does not look quite like me' but in either case , you'd not know how 'any me' looks either :bigsmile:
Take care, thank you for the conversation! :bearhug:
And you :sun: Thanks again , more later times ..
Wide-Eyed
2nd June 2016, 13:55
This story has been picked up by the Mirror, the Inquisitr, Raw Story, and most recently, has appeared on MSN news. Some of the articles include potential British responses. A couple of these sites, I go to for political stories and consider them to be mid-level MSM, in their accuracy and fairness. At the very least, the timing is interesting, considering Hillary's statement that she will address (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/politics/hillary-clinton-aliens.html?_r=0) the issue when and if she holds the office of POTUS.
Obama plans to reveal massive cache of UFO secrets before leaving office: report (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/obama-plans-to-reveal-massive-cache-of-ufo-secrets-before-leaving-office-report/)
President Barack Obama joked with Jimmy Kimmel about aliens and UFOs in his last appearance on the show, but now it seems the Obama administration may release more information before leaving office.
Steve Bassett, executive director of the Paradigm Research Group, told Daily Express that he has been lobbying the White House for 20 years in an attempt to get information surrounding UFOs declassified.
“This will be a reality this year and across the front pages of newspapers across the world,” he said. “The most significant news story that has ever been broken.”
Ahead of the premiere of the six-episode season of The X-Files, the CIA declassified dozens of photos and hundreds of pages of reports on UFOs dating back to the 1950s. But it’s comments from a top campaign official to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton that has Bassett excited. Clinton has promised that if she is elected, her administration will release the information.
Clinton’s senior campaign official is John Podesta also served as a top aide to President Obama. He is well known in political circles for having a Fox Mulder-like crusade to declassify the intelligence information about UFOs, what the United States government knew, when it knew it and that the reports should be available to Americans.
During a press conference in 2002 Podesta said, “It’s time to find out what the truth really is that’s out there. We ought to do it, really, because it’s right. We ought to do it, quite frankly, because the American people can handle the truth. And we ought to do it because it’s the law.”
Former President Bill Clinton admitted to Kimmel that he spent time inspecting classified documents pertaining to UFOs when he was in office. His second term marked the 50th anniversary of the alleged Roswell, New Mexico UFO crash in 1947 that marked the beginning of America’s obsession with UFOs. Clinton declassified hundreds of pages of documents from intelligence agencies surrounding Roswell and told Kimmel that he would tell Americans if he knew aliens had contacted us.
Hillary Clinton told Daymond Steer of the Conway Daily Sun that Podesta has “made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out. One way or another. Maybe we could have, like, a task force to go to Area 51.”
Bassett says he thinks that President Obama will release the information ahead of 2017, however.
However... I just watched this EXCELLENT lecture presentation for the fourth time again last night from 2015 Secret Space Program Conference - Dr. John Brandenburg's - DEATH ON MARS-and I'll probably watch it again today... Excellent, his work is PUBLISHED and undisputed on massive Nuclear explosion that wiped out Mars civilization over 200 million years ago. Whether Obummer, Hitlery, Tramp or what ever release or any other mouthpiece of govt does this is published and needs wide dissemination. The government said publish to Dr. Brandenburg. Cat is out of the bag, city of over a million people on Cydonia Mars nuked.
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Joe Akulis
2nd June 2016, 14:56
He says what he has to say and moves on, seeking no approval. He speaks of the "Tall Whites" living off of human energy, off of pain, love, warfare, he speaks of money being our God. He says many things we who have taken the time to inform ourselves are already familiar with and he engages in purposeful dialogue and visualization processes that are designed to open a mind even further.
I sound like I am endorsing him and I am not. :)
I just do not know for certain what he is.
Maybe he's filling the role of like a Press Secretary. An ambassador, or spokesperson.
If certain "other" races will eventually be coming out of the closet, so to speak, then they will be looking to establish friendly faces to represent themselves through. *shrug* Who knows.
Enjoying the thread. Thanks for posting Rahkyt.
Joe Akulis
2nd June 2016, 16:00
I am not certain. I do not know, in my own experience, how exactly to define extraterrestrials in a way that is different from how I have defined non-corporeal entities in general. Multi-dimensional consciousness does not translate well and in my own, personal interactions, while experiencing total clarity also understanding that interaction is occurring in a higher dimensional context which loses entire dimensions (literally) and swathes of implicit meaning when translated to the world of the 5 senses and normative experience. Like waking from a dream and realizing that the details you recall are only the barest hint of meaning.
That's interesting , well said , especially for the later part . I'd very much agree on the communication occurring in higher strata of consciousness and awareness and more prominent and valid it feels in fact , the less bearing it seems to have on the makings of this mundane , humane reality .
But then , there are also practical , physical aspects of that communication to me , ascents and descents and through them alone I was able to define the 'edges' , outskirts and parameters of the 'ET reality' being also corporeal and real.
It was only due and thanks to those rare physical experiences that would bring the reality of 'the ET kind' to my awareness and enabled me to discern between my 'spiritual mind' and 'ET mind' or even define the later, even if they seem to be inevitably merged - from human outlook.
It's not often that I hear people speak so well about things like this.
So now I can't resist the urge to sidetrack the thread just a little, for a quick moment, so that I may indulge a little of my own curiosity.
You see, I get the impression that there are a number of people here at this time who are in the same boat as Agape. They've already been through the "physical" school somewhere else, a long time ago, with a race of people who eventually, after graduating from that school, have joined together at a higher level of consciousness to form a group/social memory complex entity. Sort of like saying, everyone's Higher Selves decided to all merge together and form a unique Higher Higher Self. :-) One that includes everyone who participated in that experience. (Possibly. Feel free to correct me, Agape, if I'm making a bad assumption with that.)
So, anyone care to speculate about why some members of other races like that are sending aspects of themselves here? Do you think it's to help out at some sort of critical time period, like lots of people seem to think? I wonder if for some people, it's just the desire to become a part of whatever this Earth school is in the process of producing. Sort of like saying, why stop at graduating from one physical experience? Maybe this one was too attractive to not jump in for a swim.
Perhaps when a group consciousness from another world gets entangled with the physical events of a separate adolescent race like what we have here at this time, then it opens up the possibility later on, if that second world should eventually form a similar group entity, for two entire group consciousnesses representing the combined experiences of two separate worlds, to find common ground and choose to join together. (Dare I say, a Higher, Higher, Higher Self?) Perhaps I'm getting carried away with more than just my use of commas there. Heh heh.
Those are the kinds of things I love to wonder about. :-)
Of course, when it comes to this group of folks attending this particular school here on Earth, I definitely don't see some future group-consciousness that would include everyone who participated. There's some serious duality going on here. A great percentage of the folks spending time here will follow their own paths which will likely take them to other places where they will finish the physical portion of their journeys on other worlds that cater more to their chosen course. But that also is potentially another discussion of its own.
Agape, any intuitions about the reasons for this lifetime you've chosen here?
Rahkyt, any idea if I'm thinking about things the right way? Like you say, putting certain concepts and thoughts like this into words is half the battle...
Agape
3rd June 2016, 10:56
Hello Joe ,
I think I'd like to make sure that Rakhyt welcomes this level of discussion going on , in this particular thread .. although I tend to perceive all of our debate as connected to the ET disclosure topic and we all here seem to have passion for the 'nuts&bolts stuff' and want to get away with some solid answers, and reasons .. why ... are we here ,
sitting n waiting while in fact,
we could do something much better for humanity .
But maybe this tiny bit is something we can do , and maybe ( just maybe ) it makes the deal of giving truthful and honest answers to problems affecting us,
rather than answers someone else believes in .
I feel that such transparency and honesty to ones purpose is part of our greater freedom , freedom of revelation , freedom not to maintain the coverup everyone out there expects and wants us to maintain , in fact .
It's not an act of rebellion or anarchy against the human society, at least not from my point of view , it's merely the case of being transparent .
The eternal problem with 'being transparent' : as an entity is actually quite logical , not many people can see or identify you clearly as entity - apart from their dreams - and the way they see you is more likely through reflections .
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/Liu-Bolin-Hiding-in-the-City-No.85-Chinese-Courtyard_zpsyawtk1eg.jpg (http://s290.photobucket.com/user/PaldenLhamo/media/Liu-Bolin-Hiding-in-the-City-No.85-Chinese-Courtyard_zpsyawtk1eg.jpg.html)
Something like Liu Boilin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Bolin) , the Chinese 'Invisible Man'. He's an artist of course, google his name for more interesting images and how to disappear .. anywhere ..
for me he represents one perfect example of a 'soul' or even more clearly, the 'ET entity' merging with human world , transparent and invisible to the human eyes ,
adopting a 'coat of reflections' .
Includes the deepest reflections of our human life here ... and yet .. and as you observe yourself quite rightly once we take hold of our 'true identity' we are almost free to walk out of here and rejoin the life we once had .
You see, I get the impression that there are a number of people here at this time who are in the same boat as Agape. They've already been through the "physical" school somewhere else, a long time ago, with a race of people who eventually, after graduating from that school, have joined together at a higher level of consciousness to form a group/social memory complex entity. Sort of like saying, everyone's Higher Selves decided to all merge together and form a unique Higher Higher Self. :-) One that includes everyone who participated in that experience. (Possibly. Feel free to correct me, Agape, if I'm making a bad assumption with that.)
So, anyone care to speculate about why some members of other races like that are sending aspects of themselves here? Do you think it's to help out at some sort of critical time period, like lots of people seem to think? I wonder if for some people, it's just the desire to become a part of whatever this Earth school is in the process of producing. Sort of like saying, why stop at graduating from one physical experience? Maybe this one was too attractive to not jump in for a swim.
Perhaps when a group consciousness from another world gets entangled with the physical events of a separate adolescent race like what we have here at this time, then it opens up the possibility later on, if that second world should eventually form a similar group entity, for two entire group consciousnesses representing the combined experiences of two separate worlds, to find common ground and choose to join together. (Dare I say, a Higher, Higher, Higher Self?) Perhaps I'm getting carried away with more than just my use of commas there. Heh heh.
Those are the kinds of things I love to wonder about. :-)
Of course, when it comes to this group of folks attending this particular school here on Earth, I definitely don't see some future group-consciousness that would include everyone who participated. There's some serious duality going on here. A great percentage of the folks spending time here will follow their own paths which will likely take them to other places where they will finish the physical portion of their journeys on other worlds that cater more to their chosen course. But that also is potentially another discussion of its own.
Agape, any intuitions about the reasons for this lifetime you've chosen here?
To your questions.. I can only attest to myself , the civilisation group I came with and the 'higher perspective' = bird perspective really anyone probably sees once they get 'out of here' and observe the struggles of this civilisation from Space.
First of all .. there's much love and compassion out there .. there's almost extreme compassion towards this impoverished human civilisation and there's strong adherence to rationality and purpose .
Paradoxical as it sounds to you ( or some others perhaps , there will be always some people to disagree on me strongly ) almost none of the 'metaphysical stuff' we so cherish down here as only human philosophers, thinkers, believers, spiritual practitioners , pseudo-scientists and household mums do , is actually going on , in minds of the advanced Space civilisations observing here .
Those who are absolutely benevolent they're perfectly rational as well .
The chaos and seeming irrationality of our endeavours here is all about 'Time' and 'Space'.
The whole problem of human civilisation really boils down to these two basic categories and 'space-time' or I used to say, 'bubble of space-time' those advanced predecessors of ours got caught in here very long ago ,
boils down to the physical properties of this planet and way we've got down here ..
( that's why I think the information on our chance arrival and crash , millions of years ago , is also extremely important )
It's not due to some 'space monster' , 'punishing God' or 'another sinister civilisation' creating these conditions for us so we can learn .
All kinds of religious preachers like to soothe people with the idea that 'we are here for lesson' and there's a higher purpose to why we are here to which I'd have to answer now ''yes , there's definitely higher purpose in all of us and always has been and wish we all remember about it'' .
The real reason behind humanity being here is space-time accident, technical failure and coming to terms with planetary environment foreign to us and having to stay here , for very long now.
From any true 'civilisation perspective' out there the planet and humanity need good deal of help and that's how many wage the journey and risk coming here,
to the middle of that chaos.
I think, only a fool would think this is somehow 'great picnic spot' .
Being a member of here while carrying an imprint and wisdom of another civilisation is very risky , in fact .
For whatever you say or do , beyond the limits of taught human ways and avenues , you can be turned to a 'suspect' .
Being completely invisible and merging totally is good in art but it does not work always that well in reality and once you wake up from the dream of 'belonging here' it can create pretty awful stress and panic , in you and your adoptive human family.
It's risky no matter what anyone who don't know what they speak about say yet , people ( Beings ) always do come here for two reasons : there are reasons, perspectives , nuances about human life you can't really study or see from above .
So if we want to help a civilisation stuck in timespace communication is necessary and learning where are they really with their opinions and why .
The more emotional reason really is more like compassion and jumping to deep water to save your best friends neck.
From what I saw , many of our friends and kins perished here , right at the beginning , in accident and it left us and the remaining turning to be human civilisation in state of deep agony , depression and amnesia for too long to go.
There are extreme situations going on here all the time , humanitarian calamities , wars , crisis of all sorts that affect even 'aid workers' very badly and no one can dive in and stay too long without suffering some damage .
So in short ... any 'healthy self' offering rational piece of help and advice under such circumstances is precious . We have to alternate . We can't bank even on our own strength , especially for not being physically accustomed to here .
We're here for short time and even if that means doing one or two good things for others without waiting for rewards but doing it for them ,
it's still priceless service to humanity and we're , as you say, part of the 'contingency' here , no matter where we come from.
It's sort of thankless work at times too because there will be humans born here for long time yet and there will be problems to sort out ,
the next generation may forget all -if not most- about it and choose to start anew, repeat the same mistakes and search for their own ways and never listen ,
which is .. what's humanly, happening here all the time.
So I think, it's a lot about accepting being here for short time and making the best of it .
Finding friends ... this planet, after all , is full of surprises . Meet the cousin from Andromeda you thought you've lost billions of years ago ..
Hope that's ok ..
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Joe Akulis
3rd June 2016, 16:06
Terrific feedback and perspective Agape, thank you.
So definitely, work in progress ... :Angel: I suspect there has to be another stage to it that resembles Keanu Reeves walking to the NASA HQ and telling the 'full truth'
I think this is a good thing. Makes it all worthwhile.
It was only due and thanks to those rare physical experiences that would bring the reality of 'the ET kind' to my awareness and enabled me to discern between my 'spiritual mind' and 'ET mind' or even define the later, even if they seem to be inevitably merged - from human outlook.
Spiritual vs ET mind? What does that mean?
The next 'evolution stage' of humanity , lets hope , will have something to do with the power of self-reflection and internalising the meaning . How wonderful that would be like again, meeting 'real beings' out there and not just stressed , enslaved society of drones.
Sometimes, beneath the dross of the programmed mind, you can catch glimpses of that natural innocence and curiosity that indicates the presence of that 'real being' you speak of. Rarely, but it happens. It seems that the time for waking up the slumbering has passed. The sheer breadth of experience and understanding necessary to approximate even simple political awakening has a high learning curve.
Lets assert that the human genetics science really is in diapers and despite a mass genomic testing projects that enable not more than collecting data about chosen haplogroups or help to follow evolution of few sequences through variety of human lineages , there's much still in the land of 'unknown' where human diversity and unique, individual or group patterns of biological expression are concerned .
If you were to compare one human being to Universe , the potential we're commonly aware and plays prominent role is like having some knowledge of this solar system and starting to look beyond, i think it's almost plausible comparison.
That is so. You can get tests from 2 different companies and receive 2 wildly varying genetic profiles. The speed with which technology is evolving though will see major shifts occurring in a relatively short time, and in quantum leaps, during our lifetimes.
Anyone coming from 'outside' , more balanced and stable environment and depending on their biological evolution stage , they'd more like experience fast decay as well .
That's about the 'Roswell survivors' or other such capable of interacting with the 3D human density directly or even , literally 'falling to it' . That's of course unless they would be biological drones - programmed life forms - as it's been suggested many times too .
But for the rest of ongoing ET-Human interaction and where my experience serves me , most 'visitors' try to protect themselves from long exposure to either planetary or human 'density fields' and so in fact, they also stay at the very edges of human awareness .
Makes sense. Kind of reminds me of the whole "War of the Worlds" way of looking at it. To travel physically to another planet in a system one must in some way approximate the physical conditions within an alien biology. Interesting thoughts, all of which are a part of the idea of disclosure and the revelation of these types of realities existing beyond the ken of most.
Weird . Yes I'm getting ( albeit slowly ) what you mean and guess ways it speaks to you and maybe the only reason really why I'm not in straight approval of him is that I actually experienced direct contact with the Beings ( of our kind ) and years of lasting impact, way different experiencing of 'myself' than anyone I am aware of save for very few individuals and so also the 'ET reality' spoke to me big way, through movies , other peoples testimonies and so on but always with greater caution and discernment .
I don't think i can 'transplant' my perspective to others completely, verbally or not , it works with few sensitive individuals usually - back to the start - hard to say why it works with only certain types of individuals including 'spiritual people' and 'psychics' , maybe not everyone have 'prominent ET genealogy' , who knows .
Guess it was just that I wanted to wave at you and say 'hey that does not look quite like me' but in either case , you'd not know how 'any me' looks either.
I haven't watched any more of Rudolph of Germany since before we last spoke, so I suppose my curiosity has been expunged. :)
There are different ways to learn. I have the capacity - and so I expect every one does - to learn voluminous amounts of information quickly, to access what some call the Akashic Records and cull information there in an instantaneous fashion. There is a "switch" that can be flexed, like a muscle, in the mind, that allows one to do so. This will be the type of learning methodology that will have to be implemented, come any form of Disclosure, in order to "catch people up" with the reality outside of the programmed matrix of belief.
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However... I just watched this EXCELLENT lecture presentation for the fourth time again last night from 2015 Secret Space Program Conference - Dr. John Brandenburg's - DEATH ON MARS-and I'll probably watch it again today... Excellent, his work is PUBLISHED and undisputed on massive Nuclear explosion that wiped out Mars civilization over 200 million years ago. Whether Obummer, Hitlery, Tramp or what ever release or any other mouthpiece of govt does this is published and needs wide dissemination. The government said publish to Dr. Brandenburg. Cat is out of the bag, city of over a million people on Cydonia Mars nuked.
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4 times, possibly 5? Now that is a rousing endorsement. :)
I will take the time to check it out, thank you so much for the link! I will comment back here after I listen and watch.
Maybe he's filling the role of like a Press Secretary. An ambassador, or spokesperson.
If certain "other" races will eventually be coming out of the closet, so to speak, then they will be looking to establish friendly faces to represent themselves through. *shrug* Who knows.
Enjoying the thread. Thanks for posting Rahkyt.
That is the impression that I got. And I also got the impression, through 60 of his short videos, that he and those he was speaking for, were distinctly disappointed with the quality of the popular response they received.
Even if Rudolph of Germany is another poser, this is an appropriate strategy to follow in introducing a larger population to the xenophobic and insular human family. Thank you for posting, Joe!
Foxie Loxie
8th June 2016, 18:32
Thanks for posting the John Brandenburg piece....amazing!
Agape
8th June 2016, 20:54
Hello Rakhyt :flower:
Spiritual vs ET mind? What does that mean?
The human mind vs the ET mind . You've almost answered the question to yourself nearly bellow here as you probably can ..
Sometimes, beneath the dross of the programmed mind, you can catch glimpses of that natural innocence and curiosity that indicates the presence of that 'real being' you speak of. Rarely, but it happens. It seems that the time for waking up the slumbering has passed. The sheer breadth of experience and understanding necessary to approximate even simple political awakening has a high learning curve.
I don't know why but I feel whatever I say about it would feel odd . It actually comes clear in presence of other beings .
If you are alone , that's who you are , a being . Who decides who are you and what is your space perspective ?
No one . You don't define yourself wrongly other than by being defined by others .
Knowing Beings , yes . I think they're closer than we think and rarer than we want to consider them.
Are they (not) part of our ability to see over the edges of petrified human reality to the realm of greater life ?
I believe in knowing because I know plenty of things of my own, through out life , and I can spend ages on contemplating those things ..
it's probably way healthier than the internet but I think I will now start believing in the internet too..
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More on ET mind , later..
Could this be of any interest (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90899-They-used-to-inhabit-this-planet-when-there-was-not-a-sun&p=1073451&viewfull=1#post1073451)? Please forgive my mind scatteredness at the moment , it seems to go with the chores .
That is so. You can get tests from 2 different companies and receive 2 wildly varying genetic profiles. The speed with which technology is evolving though will see major shifts occurring in a relatively short time, and in quantum leaps, during our lifetimes.
Couple of times I wanted to give them a try ( and 'benefit of doubt' ) but with the amount of information available to me , it would be lost money, I fear.
And you're right of course as the quality of testing available is rising exponentially with costs of technical processing bound to decline , during our lifetime.
What they do in the name of DNA testing is more data collecting and tracking dominant n recessive haplogroups for both males and females through various cultures, sub-cultures and ethnic groups .
How much is that reliable , well, it's a comparative study . As a matter of fact - known to me - all of 'our ancestors' migrated all around the globe tens , maybe hundreds of times in total through out their history .
And there's no one who is not related to us one way or another .
What would really determine possible presence of other than casual human characteristics - whole DNA sequencing - is still very costly to do ( but point one applies , may well be something common in couple of decades ) but even more painstaking to analyse correctly .
And I'm almost certain that new epigenetic principles will be discovered sooner and at the time when this ever comes to question, guiding principles that help to determine why is somebodies 'bio-code' organised differently from their parent generation,
for example ,
or what makes life of twins so very different one from another.
Would we able to 'prove' existence of shadow being ( not literally ) directing and switching some of our abilities on and off or providing conscious links between information that is otherwise seemingly disconnected in humans ?
There has to be much more to the 'blue-print' behind such possibility than a vague option ,
the information ET-human 'walk-ins' have in common , on 'bio-code' level has to be identical to certain, determinable degree .
It's what makes 'certainty' possible and what marks the thin line between 'spiritual' and 'extraterrestrial' in me, for me, for example .
The problem about finding it ? So far , no one knows what are they looking for , secondly, it may be very rare, in its uncorrupted form.
Though, it's probable that millions of individuals carry a partially restored 'blue-print' of the primordial ET entity.
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From what I have ever noticed in life , individuals carrying such information /capacity/ ET 'blue-print' ( for lack of better term ) are usually less visible and less prominent than everyone else , 'typically human' is .
I've seen couple of those individuals .. few .. during whole of my life , travel, meeting many people . It's generally the least assuming individuals you'd ever notice despite some of their ( ours ) fairly elaborate knowledge of certain subjects that are hardly common with humans ( unless they've studied a lot ).
Some of them - if not most - do admit some knowledge of their 'e.t.' origin if questioned , it again does not mean that everyone's being open about it .
Most of these people spent their lifetime hiding , or half-hiding so to say and fancy various odd difficulties about coping with the 'human apparatus' .
Most individuals who fall into that category come to face many forms of vulnerability and reduced tolerance to the 'normative environment' which in their case, does not signify presence of illness or something that can 'improve' with supplements .
It's simply underlying biological factor you have to live with or perish.
The problem and where I see it being hypothetically difficult one from many angles has to do with unpreparedness of human society to deal with minorities and anomalies , ways that would respect differences and won't be 'thorn in the eye' of other humans.
The moment such a 'proof' is found and criteria determined, there might start global witch hunt trying to track down such individuals and their relatives ,
the very next question would be 'what would they do with us' and so forth . Far fetched as it is, I don't really think that I'll witness the solution to this during my natural life time here .
Star Tsar
29th June 2016, 08:30
Spaced Out Radio
Steve Bassett - Hashtag Disclosure
Recorded 22/6/2016 / Published 23/6/2016
Interview starts at 10:30
Mr Bassett needs no introduction in this recording he speaks about the current state of the disclosure movement....
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