Will You Stand Or Grovel?

[ozmirage]

SEE NO EVIL?

Evil trusts that weak human nature will be ashamed to stand up to great evil if there is any hint of a flaw upon which accusations can be hurled. Thus are the prey cowed into submission, afraid to be champions of good and victorious over evil, lest their own sins be revealed.

What does it take to make a stand against trespass, invasion of privacy, tyranny, pedophilia, grand theft, extortion, mayhem, kidnapping, rape, slavery and murder?

What logical argument can you embrace that sets you firmly against all evil, regardless of one’s own past transgressions and the consequences of their disclosure?

- - - -
Evil wishes you to disbelieve it exists or to tolerate it, if you do.
But evil is intolerant of good.

The ancient war is rooted in the law, in that one must choose how one will survive: Law of the jungle or the law of love. Anyone who argues that there is no good nor evil, are apologists for the predators who do not want their prey to fight back.

Tolerance of evil is unmerciful to its next victim.

Intelligent life takes a stand, and defends the harmless innocent from those who would do harm, for whatever reason.

[Agape]

Right . But see what has happened to Harambe , the gorilla ... I advice watching the clip couple of times before it starts making sense .

4 year old kid fell into the gorilla enclosure , slipped obviously , his mum was not alert enough, you can hear whole bunch of screaming moms with kids standing above the scene .
The gorilla picks the boy from the water where he fell and brings him up standing , quite gently , holding one or both of his hands , checking his back.
There's no sign of violence from the gorilla as far as I can judge . Advanced primates have more evolved child rearing instincts than most humans have if not for the fact of having 'hard to tame kids' . They'd hardly ever harm a child .

The scene where they shoot Harambe is fortunately not in the video .

The lesson ? Helping your 'well off' cousin is almost never worth the trouble but could cost your life . The gorilla could just leave the human kid there in the water and retreat to the other side of enclosure as proper 'fearful animal' 'should do' and wait for the 'humans' to sort their own problem .
Such a shame to the human race :facepalm:

MmtCQCX7sFo

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/29/gorilla-shot-killed-after-grabbing-toddler-at-ohio-zoo-cincinnati

[raff]

Human treatment of the animal and sea kingdom's could be considered evil and predatory and all those who have profited from it likewise. This all seems relative and All have a right to exist it would seem and do whatever is necessary to survive. As someone who has experienced a malignent force on several occasions i am also aware that it did not or was not created in that way but became that through its experiences and through its choices (i include myself of course in this equation) We all can make choices when confronted with adversity in whatever forms they appear but i am aware that what i choose has to be considered in the light of that adversarial circumstance or being. It is only then can one find the proper action to take in proportion to the circumstance according to one's understanding of the situation. That way I'm not loosing myself to ideals, beliefs or fears that twist the very nature of who i am.

[uzn]

Quote from the Movie "The usual Suspects":
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing the world he did not exist.

Since you talk about good and evil, remember that Dualism (Good/Evil, Light/Darkness, +/-) is not the hole story. All highly evolved teachers (for example Gurdiev) teach us that there has to be a third force for the whole thing to function. You are missing out about the Neutral Force. Take the Atom for example, there are positrons(+) and electrons(-), but for the Atom to function there has to be neutrons ( ). So if you talk about good and evil you are missing out about the neutrals. In Society for example if two guys fight eachother, the rest of humanity is neutral. If your neither good nor evil, which side are you on? That´s the neutral side.
Sorry Osmirage, I really sound like a smart ass here, I just wanted to throw this in the mix.

One can feel evil behind so many things these days. Behind Governments, Institutions, Laws, Organisations etc.. I always have the feeling that there is an evil Force in this World that tries to hold back human progression and Inventions from which everybody would profit. And this evil Force/Intend is highly organised and focused. I always picture this as a Masterdemon which did not only took over one host but many and is playing them like a muppetshow. And each host does not know of the others and thinks he is the only one doing the dark Lords bidding (being his favorite). And thinking they are doing it for their own gain not seeing they are all being played.

[Antihero]

Some people like to pretend that they don't have evil within them. It's easy to talk about exterior evils, however, can you be transparent about your own? Can you do that without being challenged? It is easy to say that people are tolerant of evil. People are tolerant of evil people. We are all evil people. Some are ignorant about it, and others accept it. When they accept it, they either show it or hide it. Hidden evil is visible to anyone advanced. Be transparent without need and be free from deceit. Peace.

[Michi]

Even though, the following is not about politics - it somewhat illustrates the OP post: ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7COsEDNR_ac

[zen deik]

It's a personal war for the most part , then there is group evil , thus the need for an opposing stand . Evil is political ,about power and control ,the chief characteristic is it wishes to hide even from the person it resides in. The greatest disease of all is evil. The healing of the human race the greatest challenge of Good.

[Wind]

I always have the feeling that there is an evil Force in this World that tries to hold back human progression and Inventions from which everybody would profit. And this evil Force/Intend is highly organised and focused.

Of course there is a counterforce, because this is indeed a dualistic universe. There are forces of darkness and then there are forces of light working for the good and betterment of all. Humans are in the middle. Will you be ignorant or will you perhaps succumb to complete selfishness? Or will you choose to serve others? Will you choose to hate or to love? That's what it's all about and always has been, but many humans are too blind to see it. Progression of the soul and consciousness can never be stopped, but it can be delayed. Life is a game of sorts and no one said it would be an easy one. The game was rigged for a long time, but now the tide is turning...

[regnak]

without evil there can be no good each has a place in the world for to remove it we become less ( grey aliens )

ignore it and if provoked destroy it but without malice

[etheric underground]

The world is in Chaos and I walk and drive around everyday thinking Why The F**K did I want to come here again??
Or did I even have the choice?
I get angry at the Ignorance of most, my wife often says Im negative all the time...If anger at the masses for turning a blind eye to children being
taken from daycare centres and raped or police who are more worried about their ticket quotas than the meth addicts breaking into houses and cars in my neighbourhood, then YES im negative....But its anger that fuels my wanting to make real bloody change in this crazy twisted play ground we call Earth.

[ozmirage]

What does it take to make a stand against trespass, invasion of privacy, tyranny, pedophilia, grand theft, extortion, mayhem, kidnapping, rape, slavery and murder?

What logical argument can you embrace that sets you firmly against all evil, regardless of one’s own past transgressions and the consequences of their disclosure?

As to the reply:

without evil there can be no good each has a place in the world
I must disagree.

There certainly can be "good" without "evil."
To exercise choice is the basis of all sentient life and morality.
One can choose to survive (support one's own life) via deliberate harmful acts or via harmless acts. That's the difference between the law of the jungle and the law of love.
There is no requirement for evil (harmful action) to exist in order to have good (harmless action). Sounds more like an argument to tolerate evil lest good disappear.

For the harmless people, doing harm in self-defense against evil is an exception.

As to the current impotence of modern society with respect to great evil, I again ask: what will inspire you to make a stand? What logic will impel you to act, even at the risk of condemnation for one's own transgressions?

A scene from the movie, "Peyton Place" comes to mind, where the town doctor admits to the crime of abortion yet reveals the motive (rape) for the killing of the step-father, to save the accused (rape victim) from conviction.

How about : “Failure to condemn the wicked and evil would be a far worse fate than their counterattack upon me for daring to denounce them.” ?

Or do we grovel and hide, lest we be called out?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Consider what the end result of "pure" evil would be. Absolute evil cannot exist because it would consume and destroy all it encounters. Eventually it would be all there is left and then it would die too. Bush is a father and he loves his children; Bush is not pure evil. Cheney/Kissinger/Rockefeller/Rothschild are part of loving families; they are not pure evil.

If there is evil out there it is malevolent to our perspective only, but there must be a perspective that sees a dedicated and well-meaning individual striving, perhaps maliciously to some, to better the prospects for himself and those he cares about. Evil is often forced by circumstance upon a person and is often a misguided viewpoint that allows them to commit evil acts. Evil is a shade of good, on an occulted planet dedicated to set each upon the other. Evil separates the otherwise good men and women that together could change the world for the better. Even evil means well, only usually for a select few.

Pure evil is perfect chaos, an oxymoron and an impossibility. Chaos is ruled by natural law. Pure Good is the progenitor of law and is all there can be.

The civilized protect the weak and down-trodden. This culture is only civilized in response to the inequities of the system; this system is not civilized, it is domineering. Civility cannot come from the barrel of a gun.

I stand up because it is right. Without the right on my side I have no might. Without the right I am wrong and not strong. I have only my heart to guide me.

[wnlight]

So, oxmirage, what have you done today to take a stand against evil?
When I was very young, the USA went to war against Nazi Germany in order to stamp out evil. Now we are learning more about how that war was started. We dropped nukes on Japan to stamp out evil. Some people attack homosexuals in order to stamp out evil. When the USA went to war against the muslims in Iraq to stamp out evil, we were all buying gasoline for our cars. I lived in Texas for twenty years. I wonder how many of the executions (to stamp out evil) over those years killed innocent victims.

Who am I to judge evil? Do you suggest that I carry a gun and shoot the next pedophile I might come across?

[Sean]

I hear you, Ozmirage..I've said as much in another thread. But, actions have consequences. When you stand up to the thunderstorm, you will be struck by lightning. I work in hollywood, and I criticized Israel, publicly, some years ago. My career was, frankly, destroyed by the backlash, and I wasn't even famous..just one of the few actors who made a living at it.

Now I'm bartending. I still act..but my career has yet to recover.

I'm a martial artist, and I routinely, put myself in physical harm's way for others when necessary. I do speak out on many issues..and I tend to be one of the only people who will do anything about anything. But I realized something..attacking a superior enemy head-on is fairly stupid.

I act, I voiceover, I play guitar. I write songs. I can use art as a weapon, reach more people, and have a greater impact than just spouting off, or grabbing a metaphorical sword and meeting the enemy head-on in battle, especially if the art is good. I think people should do what they can from where they are, and I mean that physically, mentally and psychologically. Psychically too(spiritual warfare is a thing).

I may be a warrior..but not everyone is. some make a huge impact by simply living their lives with integrity.

[ozmirage]

Who am I to judge evil? Do you suggest that I carry a gun and shoot the next pedophile I might come across?
Do you come across that many pedophiles? Perhaps, you need new friends...

Americans once were like “killer bees.” When trespassed upon, the victim was not left to his own feeble devices. The community and the servant government were his allies, swarming to inflict justice (often harsh) in response to his injury.


“In Europe a criminal is an unhappy being who is struggling for his life against the ministers of justice, whilst the population is merely a spectator of the conflict; in America he is looked upon as an enemy of the human race, and the whole of mankind is against him.”
- - - Tocqueville, Alexis de, 1805-1859. . . Democracy in America, volume 1

If you cannot determine harmful behavior from harmless behavior, then you definitely should not be a judge.

[ozmirage]

I hear you, Ozmirage..I've said as much in another thread. But, actions have consequences.
[Been there, done that, got the "T" Shirt.]
When you stand up to the thunderstorm, you will be struck by lightning. I work in hollywood, and I criticized Israel, publicly, some years ago.
[In regard to what, if I may ask?]

My career was, frankly, destroyed by the backlash, and I wasn't even famous..just one of the few actors who made a living at it.

Now I'm bartending. I still act..but my career has yet to recover.

I'm a martial artist, and I routinely, put myself in physical harm's way for others when necessary. I do speak out on many issues..and I tend to be one of the only people who will do anything about anything. But I realized something..attacking a superior enemy head-on is fairly stupid.
[Agreed. But knowing the real predator from the camouflage may take some effort.]

I act, I voiceover, I play guitar. I write songs. I can use art as a weapon, reach more people, and have a greater impact than just spouting off, or grabbing a metaphorical sword and meeting the enemy head-on in battle, especially if the art is good. I think people should do what they can from where they are, and I mean that physically, mentally and psychologically. Psychically too(spiritual warfare is a thing).

I may be a warrior..but not everyone is. some make a huge impact by simply living their lives with integrity.
When I "went off the reservation," I lost a lucrative position as a highly paid contract programmer for an aerospace defense industry icon.
I do not regret it.
If there was a way to avoid the painful consequences...
Oh well.
'Tis better to lose the world, than one's soul...

My stand :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90212-Republican-Form-of-Government

[ozmirage]

Consider what the end result of "pure" evil would be. Absolute evil cannot exist because it would consume and destroy all it encounters. Eventually it would be all there is left and then it would die too.
[In the sense that a 100% predatory civilization runs out of prey, and then consumes itself... Yes, that is correct.]

Bush is a father and he loves his children; Bush is not pure evil. Cheney/Kissinger/Rockefeller/Rothschild are part of loving families; they are not pure evil.
I disagree with the notion that evil has to be "pure" and all consuming.

A predator can be kind to its offspring and still be a predator.
And the prey attacked and eaten by the predator does not care how benevolent the predator is to its own kind.

Under the law of the jungle, predators are "good."
Under the law of love, predators are "evil." They do not have to be pure evil.

The problem is unwillingness to stand up against the predators, because of our own 'impure' human nature.

[wnlight]

So, ozmirage, all you can do is insult me. You cannot answer the question I posed. "what have you done today to take a stand against evil?" Instead you barrage us with your high ethical views about us tolerating evil. So insulting that I could not let you get away with it. What kind of people do you think are members of this forum that would tolerate the kinds of evil acts that you list? Take your soapbox somewhere else.

[ozmirage]

So, ozmirage, all you can do is insult me. You cannot answer the question I posed. "what have you done today to take a stand against evil?" Instead you barrage us with your high ethical views about us tolerating evil. So insulting that I could not let you get away with it. What kind of people do you think are members of this forum that would tolerate the kinds of evil acts that you list? Take your soapbox somewhere else.
I apologize if what I said was an insult. . . none intended.
You wrote :

Who am I to judge evil?
If I understand that statement, you're admitting that you cannot determine the difference. If you meant something else, my apologies.

Regarding insults, you called me ox mirage, so I assumed you were descending to a different level of dialogue.

So, oxmirage, what have you done today to take a stand against evil?
The earlier question was ignored, because the OP was about finding a logical argument to support taking a stand even when one would suffer blowback.

What I did to oppose evil / predators / etc, has no bearing on the OP.

You wrote:

Do you suggest that I carry a gun and shoot the next pedophile I might come across?
I did not suggest anything. But I do not know any pedophiles.
If one confided in me that he was one, I would notify the authorities of the admission. But lacking proof, I would have no further duty to act. If I caught one in the act, I would try to help the victim to the best of my abilities.

If that answer is unacceptable, my apologies.

[kirolak]

Right . But see what has happened to Harambe , the gorilla ... I advice watching the clip couple of times before it starts making sense .

4 year old kid fell into the gorilla enclosure , slipped obviously , his mum was not alert enough, you can hear whole bunch of screaming moms with kids standing above the scene .
The gorilla picks the boy from the water where he fell and brings him up standing , quite gently , holding one or both of his hands , checking his back.
There's no sign of violence from the gorilla as far as I can judge . Advanced primates have more evolved child rearing instincts than most humans have if not for the fact of having 'hard to tame kids' . They'd hardly ever harm a child .

The scene where they shoot Harambe is fortunately not in the video .

The lesson ? Helping your 'well off' cousin is almost never worth the trouble but could cost your life . The gorilla could just leave the human kid there in the water and retreat to the other side of enclosure as proper 'fearful animal' 'should do' and wait for the 'humans' to sort their own problem .
Such a shame to the human race :facepalm:

MmtCQCX7sFo

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/29/gorilla-shot-killed-after-grabbing-toddler-at-ohio-zoo-cincinnati

Yet another human-centric crime & wrong on so many levels

[uzn]

So, oxmirage, what have you done today to take a stand against evil?
First of all wnlight, what did you today against evil? Isn´t that a stupid question? We all do our fair bit to make this world a better place. I try to put as much sand in the corrupt systems gears as I can, but I do not do it for recognition or fame. I am doing it for me and my fellow humans.

When I was very young, the USA went to war against Nazi Germany in order to stamp out evil. Now we are learning more about how that war was started. We dropped nukes on Japan to stamp out evil.
If your really think that, boy you are lost.

I don´t want to offend you wnlight, I thing ozmirage might have some rough edges but in general he has good intentions.

[Ernie Nemeth]

A long time ago my friend brought home a young mother and her child. The child was neglected while the two of them partied. I came around to check on my buddy and saw the situation. When I had a moment alone with her I began to get the picture of how she had gotten in this mess. She had come to meet the husband-to-be from Newfoundland, a province over a thousand miles away from Toronto. That fell through and now she had no money and no way to get back home. I told my friend that this was bad , even for him, and that this mother needed help and to take advantage of her was way wrong. I took her and the baby home with me, to my little house in Woodstock, Ontario, where I lived with my wife. The following day we took her and the child to the airport and paid for her ticket back to Newfoundland. Never heard from her again. If I were someone else that mother could have gotten herself in a whole lot of trouble, including loosing her child. (By the way, we phoned her family first to inform them of the situation and they said they had no idea. They thought she was happily living with her child's father. They thanked me for my kindness and said they'd reimburse me but never did. No matter)

[Sean]

Right . But see what has happened to Harambe , the gorilla ... I advice watching the clip couple of times before it starts making sense .

4 year old kid fell into the gorilla enclosure , slipped obviously , his mum was not alert enough, you can hear whole bunch of screaming moms with kids standing above the scene .
The gorilla picks the boy from the water where he fell and brings him up standing , quite gently , holding one or both of his hands , checking his back.
There's no sign of violence from the gorilla as far as I can judge . Advanced primates have more evolved child rearing instincts than most humans have if not for the fact of having 'hard to tame kids' . They'd hardly ever harm a child .

The scene where they shoot Harambe is fortunately not in the video .

The lesson ? Helping your 'well off' cousin is almost never worth the trouble but could cost your life . The gorilla could just leave the human kid there in the water and retreat to the other side of enclosure as proper 'fearful animal' 'should do' and wait for the 'humans' to sort their own problem .
Such a shame to the human race :facepalm:

MmtCQCX7sFo

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/29/gorilla-shot-killed-after-grabbing-toddler-at-ohio-zoo-cincinnati

Yet another human-centric crime & wrong on so many levels

This makes me sick.

That gorilla ACTUALLY HELPED THE CHILD UP. He then looks around,protectively, either looking for an official from the zoo, or to protect it from others. You can see this clearly. You can see the non-aggressive body language. and they murdered that gorilla.

Whoever ordered the shot, and FIRED the shot, should be charged with murder. I understand the mothers' hysteria, a wild animal is a wild animal; but that gorilla wasn't a threat.:censored::censored:

[Ernie Nemeth]

I can't bring myself to watch the murder of that poor gorilla. I wish this video would stop being thrown in my face! so many threads about it, and mentions

This is exactly why I keep at it, these atrocities must end. Only a radical change in sensibilities will bring that about. It requires understanding the true state of affairs on this planet. It requires realizing that we are at war and that going about business as usual is taking the side of our enemies. There is no neutrality, there is no hiding, there is no peace. There is only a war and our actions support one side or the other. The video above is a violence against the psyche. There are many others worse than that one.

I believe that to a large extent, the vast majority of people have been terrorized by news agencies that invade our beings with grotesqueries they depict ongoing around the world. The masses are overloaded and cannot cope with such travesties on a personal level. It is best to ignore them and go about their lives in denial. They get short-sighted and petty, irritable and snappy. In such a state it is closer to fall into anger, violence and intolerance than to rise to compassion, empathy and understanding.

That is why I believe that people are essentially good, they are just weary of the constant assault against their sensibilities and they see themselves as helpless to do anything about it. But that is because war has not been declared and there is no visible and distinct enemy to oppose.

[regnak]

one most famous quotes about evil:)


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[shaberon]

Some people like to pretend that they don't have evil within them. It's easy to talk about exterior evils, however, can you be transparent about your own?

We like to pretend otherwise, no? And then as OP suggests, assume we're "good" out of convenience--when faced with a choice or situation, will wilt like a daisy.

It is also true that a suicidal attack against an overpowering enemy is pointless; and then if we are able to gather in numbers for increasing strength, the herd mentality will spawn new problems of its own.

The most virtuous act is done with your hands, not in the mind. How this crowd could stand clear and let a rifleman take out the gorilla? That's not very hard to interfere with. When you need to--throw a chair at their head. A lot of people are not that hard to stop, but if you are just...stunned by behavior...you're not helping much. Am I any kind of hero, no...have I broken up a few fights and stopped some thieves, yes, and those, only every single time I saw it happening.

I do not accept in any way there is an "evil force" out there. It's just human behavior that causes suffering. You should be fearless when facing it physically, as well as mentally prepared to admit and adjust things about yourself that might not be as great as they seemed while being reinforced.

Sadly, laws actually protect some of this stuff, like for example in the store one time, there was a ten year old "mental case" girl who basically knocked down her mom and started punching and biting her rather severely--but as an employee, you're not allowed to touch those. The "child cult" thing seems a little out of hand. Kill gorillas, beat up mothers, everyone stand around and watch. Trespassers have a lot of protection actually. In the old days, you could trap a thief in a dumpster until the police arrived, and no one would care; try that now.

[Verdilac]

Right . But see what has happened to Harambe , the gorilla ... I advice watching the clip couple of times before it starts making sense .

4 year old kid fell into the gorilla enclosure , slipped obviously , his mum was not alert enough, you can hear whole bunch of screaming moms with kids standing above the scene .
The gorilla picks the boy from the water where he fell and brings him up standing , quite gently , holding one or both of his hands , checking his back.
There's no sign of violence from the gorilla as far as I can judge . Advanced primates have more evolved child rearing instincts than most humans have if not for the fact of having 'hard to tame kids' . They'd hardly ever harm a child .

The scene where they shoot Harambe is fortunately not in the video .

The lesson ? Helping your 'well off' cousin is almost never worth the trouble but could cost your life . The gorilla could just leave the human kid there in the water and retreat to the other side of enclosure as proper 'fearful animal' 'should do' and wait for the 'humans' to sort their own problem .
Such a shame to the human race :facepalm:

MmtCQCX7sFo

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/29/gorilla-shot-killed-after-grabbing-toddler-at-ohio-zoo-cincinnati

Yet another human-centric crime & wrong on so many levels

Exactly , you know there shouldn't be any zoo's for a situation like the above to arise.

[kirolak]

I can't bring myself to watch the murder of that poor gorilla. I wish this video would stop being thrown in my face! so many threads about it, and mentions

This is exactly why I keep at it, these atrocities must end. Only a radical change in sensibilities will bring that about. It requires understanding the true state of affairs on this planet. It requires realizing that we are at war and that going about business as usual is taking the side of our enemies. There is no neutrality, there is no hiding, there is no peace. There is only a war and our actions support one side or the other. The video above is a violence against the psyche. There are many others worse than that one.

I believe that to a large extent, the vast majority of people have been terrorized by news agencies that invade our beings with grotesqueries they depict ongoing around the world. The masses are overloaded and cannot cope with such travesties on a personal level. It is best to ignore them and go about their lives in denial. They get short-sighted and petty, irritable and snappy. In such a state it is closer to fall into anger, violence and intolerance than to rise to compassion, empathy and understanding.

That is why I believe that people are essentially good, they are just weary of the constant assault against their sensibilities and they see themselves as helpless to do anything about it. But that is because war has not been declared and there is no visible and distinct enemy to oppose.

There is no video footage that I know of which actually shows the murder as it takes place.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

That is why I believe that people are essentially good, they are just weary of the constant assault against their sensibilities and they see themselves as helpless to do anything about it...

That's exactly right, Ernie. I've always believed that most people are mostly good. But there is an assault, daily, from every direction on our poor senses, with violence, war, injustice, and just downright bad news. It has dumbed down the human race to such an extent that it has become disempowered.

This could possibly be one of the agendas of the Powers That Be - to concentrate on feeding us only the negative stuff, to strip us of will, motivation, and self-determination. And because everything is such a mess, even if we really wanted to there's nothing we could do that would make a difference anyway. It is perhaps another level of the continuing zombification of the human mind and soul. When we lose our power, our sovereignty, we become very pliable and easy to control.

[Agape]

This makes me sick.

That gorilla ACTUALLY HELPED THE CHILD UP. He then looks around,protectively, either looking for an official from the zoo, or to protect it from others. You can see this clearly. You can see the non-aggressive body language. and they murdered that gorilla.

Whoever ordered the shot, and FIRED the shot, should be charged with murder. I understand the mothers' hysteria, a wild animal is a wild animal; but that gorilla wasn't a threat.:censored::censored:


That's what i thought i am seeing there .

It's how we treat each other too . Another extreme example of the craziness of current version of humanity ..


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Wildlife officials in Thailand on Monday began removing some of the 137 tigers held at a Buddhist temple following accusations that the monks were involved in illegal breeding and trafficking of the animals.
The director of Thailand's Wildlife Conservation Office, Teunjai Noochdumrong, said three tigers were tranquilized and transported Monday in an operation involving about 1,000 state personnel that is expected to continue for a week.


Tigers on the drip, carried around in sarcophagus , why not let them live ..


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Ok, maybe the 3rd one is for Ernie :sun:


In certain age, maybe 4 to 5 or so I'd think there is a tiger sleeping under my bed , when i went to sleep and i feared looking there . But then i'd wake up in the middle of the night , take torch or put light on to see nothing IS under the bed :)

I'd bring home all kinds of animals, stray dogs and cats, snails, birds, turtles .. rabbits, guide pigs and so forth .. but very few were ever admitted to the household because small city flat and well , my hygienic moma.

I was into microbiology in those days and dissected whole lots of insects :)

I always wanted to have animals at home but since my years of travelling and different perspective I don't feel the need to 'keep an animal' especially in this dusted quadratic environment, grey city .
In fact I don't want to keep me here either ..


:angel: