NPC or PC?

[Samurai]

might sound a little odd, but stick with it...

do you think it is possible that our reality might have a large population of NPCs (non player characters) and not as many PCs (player characters) as one would initially think?

to explain it in a different way,
are all the people you meat real souls or part of some sort of reality 'program' that we exist in.
how often do you meet someone and they fall straight into a personality type that you have determined for yourself from your life experiences.
how many people do you meet that behave in a truely suprising and refreshing way, that dont do all the things that you would expect that 'type' to do. could the suprising unpredicatble people be the real souls and the predictable trend follower be a non soul?
walking down the street how many people fall into an almost programmed behavior pattern, time and time again, have the same programmed views, reactions, even similar look.
how many of your aquaintences and even family members follow this pattern of predictable behavior?

and on the flip side, how many people do you really connect to on a spiritual level?
are these the true souls here in this game of reality and all the others are just part of the program of reality we find ourselves in?

there doesnt even seem to be too many group types either, once you start looking for it.

ok, you could put it down to conditioning, brain washing by TV and consumerism.
but what if there are only 50% real souls here, or 25% or !0%.

once you start looking at people in this way (probably not a incredibly healthy thing to do consistantly, but worth a go) it gets interesting.

my friend and i did this for 'entertainment' one evening sat on the ferry home from a night out, make a snap desicion NPC or PC, and it was suprising at the conclusions you come to.

it started to open up new possibilities of how the game of reality could be played, and in our tipsy state we decided it was like almost adding new rules to the game, or an 'exploit' similar to what might be found within a computer game.

dont worry, im not sat here swatting imaginary flys, it was just an interesting line of thaught that has stuck in my mind, and im wondering if anyone else has any ideas on the subject.

[shadowstalker]

Very interesting theory let me ponder on that it does tend to make sense, when you take all the variable into play.

[Wood]

What if people is being brainwashed to have them ready for a massive takeover by evil beings? Kind of the classic sci-fi movie 'the body snatchers'. I do not really buy into the theory about large scale depopulation plans: they want blood and souls, not gold or other resources. The large surge in population during the XX century would not have been allowed otherwise.

That might explain the lack of 'spark' in most people you post about.

[sjkted]

Yes, I did some research on psychopaths (real ones, not just name calling) and apparently there are several theories set up that they do not have souls and thus do not have emotions. One of the theories states that a good amount of the populations is OPs (Organic Personalities I think). If you're interested, I could probably dig this up as the main author is a naturopath doctor in Australia.

Aside from the issue of proof, it makes a lot of sense.

--sjkted

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Here's my original thread: I was discussing it on the mists.

http://www.themistsofavalon.net/teachers-of-wisdom-visionaries-f38/do-all-humans-possess-a-soul-t514.htm

--sjkted

[Strat]

I think some people are more alive than others. Maybe it's just peoples brains are wired a different way, I'm still working on this theory but here it is.

I think some people are physically more alive than others. I don't know what it is, but I have been thinking it has something to do with visualization. For instance, I bore some of my friends with talks of politics and world corruption. When I see them roll their eyes and get the "here we go" look on their faces I try to explain why it's important to read about these things.

The fact that we have a term called "refugee camps," and that it's commonly plural bothers me to no end. The fact that right now, somewhere in Indonesia, there is a Nike sweatshop and the employees are living off of a dollar and a quarter a day, bothers me. The scenes coming from the hospitals in Iraq (that we were supposed to help) are horrible. Ever seen the oil leaks in Nigeria? How about the raped lands of Ecuador? That is f-ing perverted.

I can visualize these things in my mind and it makes me feel bad. It haunts me to the point of losing sleep. I think this is what makes me different from some of my friends. When I explain some of the terrible things going on there is just emptiness in their eyes. I don't think they are visualizing in their brain the tragedy when I explain it.

[Bill Ryan]

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Very interesting concepts here.

I'm sure that there's a soul/spirit in every human. (At least one! Sometimes there are many. :) )

Basically there are not enough bodies to go round: there are far more spirits than bodies, so there's going to be no-one who is going around 'empty'. Some being will be in there - always.

The reason for this is that bodies are the interactive interface for playing a game at the physical level - which many spirits want to do.

Why? It's fun, for a start. Also interesting, adventurous, and a terrific learning experience. Not only that, but there's the opportunity to help fix it all up if one is so inclined, because it's all a big mess down here.

The problem is that many spirits are not in good shape. They've been around for trillennia, and during that time a lot of bad stuff has happened. (Everything you can think of, and more.)

On Planet Earth, you see psychopathic behavior, and people rolling their eyes when you try to tell them what's going on? That happens in the spirit realms as well - big time. As above, so below. This is the root of the problem.

We can't clean up Planet Earth before the spirit realms are cleaned up. That's all in progress - I'm certain of that - but boy, is there a backlog.

[witchy1]

When I explain some of the terrible things going on there is just emptiness in their eyes. I don't think they are visualizing in their brain the tragedy when I explain it.

Yep - the lights on but theres no one home :madgrin:

Hey Bill, you got an ETA on the clean up???

[Bill Ryan]

Hey Bill, you got an ETA on the clean up???

I asked that question once to someone I greatly respected and who knew a great deal about the subject matter of my post.

His answer was several generations for Planet Earth, and 10,000 years for the universe.

[Luke]

Great thread and responses :)
My take would be that in order for "game" to progress there would be flow of "beingness" .. from unity to multitude and back again to "zero point" .. with "players" replicating, "splintering" (advanced being purposefully stripping parts of itself that will result in "creation" of autonomous beings, each with some amount of original) "fear splintering" (similar as above, but created by some very traumatic event.. like gruesome death) to name just few options.

That said, from what I see, we have travellers with different abilities that share same/similar vehicles (or applications if we stuck with comp vocabulary)

As with any such situations, there would be "players" on different skill levels- from those that just migrated from lesser-advanced systems (or maybe just OTHER systems) that are learning the interface, through power users, to those that are bored/discouraged by repeated experience .. with last group being the largest, as it seems there is "level cap" in the works, that very few are able to hack through..

Said that , there will be many that do not learned/use available interface, they are stuck to "defaults" .. so they are very NPC-tish .. bit like Tolkien's treants .. that just gone tree-ish :)

Also, there are some semi-autonomous "programs", but even those have "overseer/manager" somewhere .. though, I can imagine that "old" beings can have giant amount of such semi-AI programs working "in the background" , while they are focused in some other point..

My take is thus that even NPC's have some being behind them somewhere.. Gamemaster or programmer

Not to mention that way I see it, the "PC" function here is just by-product of being "co-processor" that actively participate in modifying the database itself.

Also- time is "just" local "database iteration"..

Damn, I can go for hours and hours :P

[Zook]

Good morning Samurai, teh Earth says hello!


might sound a little odd, but stick with it...
do you think it is possible that our reality might have a large population of NPCs (non player characters) and not as many PCs (player characters) as one would initially think?
[...]


I like your thinking outside the box.

I still think the paradigm of rising and falling souls still describes things better. What is the real description? I'm not sure we will ever know in this third density.

:typing:

[westhill]

Morning Everyone...
I work part-time in a grocery store. I've not only observed all walks of life but have been surprised by many. I think people don't expect a connection. They are hiding their light either out of habit or because in the past they were hurt. I've underestimated so many. This was my problem. It takes the simplest gesture to open them up. I meet them with my heart. My job, in part, is for a moment really be there just for them (out of the blue). When caught off guard, wham!! up comes their light (unless they are on a cell phone). No judgement, just being (creating a safe space) can do a lot for me and them. Too much pain/fear out there but not in my bulk foods dept.
Bye for now... Westhill

[Kulapops]

Ooh.. that reminds me.. can't we just have a nice game of Dungeons and Dragons TM instead??

Sheesh.. I thought that was very enjoyable timewasting.. but it's got nothing on the hours Avalon can nab from you... ;)

Nope.. I agree with bill here.. one soul in every bod.. at least in my universe (the one without FEMA camps that is ;) ). However, No one's ever really convinced me that you lot are not just 'my' reality. For example, how can I know that the colour blue you see is the same as the one I perceive? Or that you have a soul/brain even? You could just be my consciousness (cos there is only one, right?) talking back at me. This would explain how my world appears skewed to my beliefs and desires...

So in your world, it could be that there are NPCs. The technical swizz is , 'How do all these "singular" universes that we experience mesh together?'


Sanity is probably best achieved by not going down these roads, however.

Me, I'd rather stick to poetry and cake...

[Fredkc]

'How do all these "singular" universes that we experience mesh together?'
I read that, and a whole dissertation sprang to mind. So I hit "Reply" and then it struck me.

My entire premise stood, or fell upon an agreement concerning the color blue.

Lemme get back to ya,
Fred

[Kulapops]

You do know Fred, that if we ever do understand it, the universe will disappear and be replaced with something even more complicated ?

It's been done before no doubt....

I bet the early universes were a doody to figure out !

[Fredkc]

You do know Fred, that if we ever do understand it, the universe will disappear
I happen to have a 400-page book sitting on my coffee table on just this subject.
"The Disappearance Of The Universe"
(No, it's not blue)

[DawgBone]

Remember the NPCs in the Matrix? The lady in the red dress was especially memorable.

Who's complaining!

[Fredkc]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Jkz1uSYuRSI/SkTos3xMlbI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/bnMpUo568Eg/s400/matrix+red+dress.jpg

"Were you listening to me Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?"

Um........Uh..............Well.........
What?


And since I know it's on everyone's mind... it's Fiona Johnson.

[Kulapops]

What was the woman from Battlestar Gallactica doing in the Matrix ?

It's those meshing universes, I swear it....

[Hughe]

Perfectly fine individuals can be monsters or heroes depends on perspective, i.e, soldiers during war time.
They are doing their best for their countries.

What is soul? I look at soul like this.
The universal consciousness > soul > consciousness > mind (mentality) and emotion / feeling.

[Dale]

To my knowledge, a human body can function without a soul; as the human body is no more than a well functioning animal.

However, much like prime, unclaimed acreage during the time of the Oregon Trail; these bodies tend to quickly become occupied by one, or more, spirits.

It's a fun ride, a great adventure, and most importantly, a grand lesson. One of the most challenging lessons.

[Luke]

To my knowledge, a human body can function without a soul; as the human body is no more than a well functioning animal.
Not so sure.. even animal has presence inside, often very strong, but then, my guess there are spirits who need exactly such a lesson. My guess "constant choices" and complexity of "interface" might be bit overwhelming.. there are more defaults there.

However, much like prime, unclaimed acreage during the time of the Oregon Trail; these bodies tend to quickly become occupied by one, or more, spirits.
It's a fun ride, a great adventure, and most importantly, a grand lesson. One of the most challenging lessons.
Indeed. .. at least from those directly known to us

What was the woman from Battlestar Gallactica doing in the Matrix ?

It's those meshing universes, I swear it....
Different woman, different dress .. shopped though :P
http://s3.daemonstv.com/tv/up/2008/03/nup_111711_1352.thumbnail.jpg
(Tricia Helfer)

[truthseekerdan]

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Very interesting concepts here.

I'm sure that there's a soul/spirit in every human. (At least one! Sometimes there are many. :) )

Bill, are you saying that some humans are possessed? ;)

[Samurai]

Bill, are you saying that some humans are possessed? ;)

Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.
for example a soul fragment of an alcholic might attach itself to someone who is going to feed its desires, this entity can 'direct' the individual to behave in a way that will feed it. this is true for many differing strong emotional or substance 'hunger'.
the fragments arent souls as such but a fragment of a soul. people can gain multiple 'hitchhikers' and be influenced in many ways, and it is a very very common phenomina, i would say that at some point most people have had them. the normally unkown guest will normally leave if its influence fails to get the host to feed its needs.
unfortunatle the emotions and thought patterns feel like your own, so you think it is just part of your personality. these influences can be quite negative and they will steer your thoughts in a way that benefits their prolonged attachment, so you can find yourself sceptical or negative about things that will threaten them.
there are various methods for removal depending on you belief framework.
A very very dear and talented friend of mine looked into my crown chakra during a working she was doing with me and located one that was attached to me, it was very simple to remove and i 'saw' it leave my 'field' in my minds eye, my reaction was 'i thought you were part of me!'.
I have since them noticed a few attach themselves, they tend to go for cirtain areas of the body for some reason so a simple visualisation and verbal command is normally all that is needed.

it is a form of possession, however not in the form that you might see in the exorcist. and like i say, it is extremely common.
again it sounds weird but you will find with a little research that it does seem to be true, i cirtainly belive it to be true.
there are some interesting books on the subject if you are interested, you will find them easily on amazon.

wether Bill is talking about the same thing I am unsure.

by the way thank you for all the interesting replys to the thread.

[Zook]

Hi Samurai,


Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.
for example a soul fragment of an alcholic might attach itself to someone who is going to feed its desires, this entity can 'direct' the individual to behave in a way that will feed it. this is true for many differing strong emotional or substance 'hunger'.
the fragments arent souls as such but a fragment of a soul. people can gain multiple 'hitchhikers' and be influenced in many ways, and it is a very very common phenomina, i would say that at some point most people have had them.
[...]


In the old days, they used to call it schizophrenia. But I like hitchhiking souls much better.

:typing:

[Samurai]

hello zoo

i guess schizophrenea or many mental illness could have a route in this.
however its the subtle things that would go completely un-noticed within your personality, even something as 'innocent' as being a chocoholic, a fondness for lots of sex, you are most likely not to even notice anything unusual at all. it was in my experience on a very subtle level, it was only after it was removed that i noticed a change and that was more in attitude. i would say that it would only be in extreme cases that something migh be noticed by an outside party. some of these entities will have been attached for a very long time, probably since childhood. maybe before that.

[truthseekerdan]

Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.
for example a soul fragment of an alcholic might attach itself to someone who is going to feed its desires, this entity can 'direct' the individual to behave in a way that will feed it. this is true for many differing strong emotional or substance 'hunger'.
the fragments arent souls as such but a fragment of a soul. people can gain multiple 'hitchhikers' and be influenced in many ways, and it is a very very common phenomina, i would say that at some point most people have had them. the normally unkown guest will normally leave if its influence fails to get the host to feed its needs.
unfortunatle the emotions and thought patterns feel like your own, so you think it is just part of your personality. these influences can be quite negative and they will steer your thoughts in a way that benefits their prolonged attachment, so you can find yourself sceptical or negative about things that will threaten them.
there are various methods for removal depending on you belief framework.
A very very dear and talented friend of mine looked into my crown chakra during a working she was doing with me and located one that was attached to me, it was very simple to remove and i 'saw' it leave my 'field' in my minds eye, my reaction was 'i thought you were part of me!'.
I have since them noticed a few attach themselves, they tend to go for cirtain areas of the body for some reason so a simple visualisation and verbal command is normally all that is needed.

it is a form of possession, however not in the form that you might see in the exorcist. and like i say, it is extremely common.
again it sounds weird but you will find with a little research that it does seem to be true, i cirtainly belive it to be true.
there are some interesting books on the subject if you are interested, you will find them easily on amazon.

wether Bill is talking about the same thing I am unsure.

by the way thank you for all the interesting replys to the thread.

Sorry to be blunt, but what you wrote is just a figment of the imagination. Believe me, I was there myself when I was looking for answers without (outside) my 'inner-self'. Then I learned to 'look within', and my whole perspective changed...:nod:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kyausjRbAt1qb8re9o1_500.jpg

[sepia]

Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.
for example a soul fragment of an alcholic might attach itself to someone who is going to feed its desires, this entity can 'direct' the individual to behave in a way that will feed it. this is true for many differing strong emotional or substance 'hunger'.
the fragments arent souls as such but a fragment of a soul. people can gain multiple 'hitchhikers' and be influenced in many ways, and it is a very very common phenomina, i would say that at some point most people have had them. the normally unkown guest will normally leave if its influence fails to get the host to feed its needs.
unfortunatle the emotions and thought patterns feel like your own, so you think it is just part of your personality. these influences can be quite negative and they will steer your thoughts in a way that benefits their prolonged attachment, so you can find yourself sceptical or negative about things that will threaten them.
there are various methods for removal depending on you belief framework.
A very very dear and talented friend of mine looked into my crown chakra during a working she was doing with me and located one that was attached to me, it was very simple to remove and i 'saw' it leave my 'field' in my minds eye, my reaction was 'i thought you were part of me!'.
I have since them noticed a few attach themselves, they tend to go for cirtain areas of the body for some reason so a simple visualisation and verbal command is normally all that is needed.

it is a form of possession, however not in the form that you might see in the exorcist. and like i say, it is extremely common.
again it sounds weird but you will find with a little research that it does seem to be true, i cirtainly belive it to be true.
there are some interesting books on the subject if you are interested, you will find them easily on amazon.


I was just thinking about writing exactly this - because this is exactly my experience. I've been working in this field for 20 years. Thank you for your excellent description.

I'd like to add this: when you first start with this work, it's usually enough to spot these beings and send them away, and they will leave.

But later on, you will find

beings who you are karmically connected to, and so you have to solve this karma first.
beings who have a strong intention to do something to you - either because this is their own idea, or they're following an order to do that.
beings who want something from you, like help, attention, love, support, information.
even more beings, once your space is clear of the ones closest to you, who require special handling.

If you now think that this is just a hassle, and you don't want to deal with it, I would like to tell you it will actually be your best spiritual teaching.

As you free these beings, you will train your perception, your ability to communicate, and most important of all you will learn compassion.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, are you saying that some humans are possessed?

A better word to use would be influenced.


whether Bill is talking about the same thing I am unsure.

Yes, you described it extremely well. It really is pretty much like this.

[rosie]

Hello Samurai, Having pondered this for quite a while now myself, I believe souls are all ages, some can be eons old, other's as young as a baby in it's infancy.
Depending on the age of their soul, the NPC and PC can be determined.

It is fairly easy to pick out a young soul from an old soul. Young souls have much to learn, and much to experience, hence they tend to get very exited about everyday. There is just too much on this material plane for them to experience in such a short time, they are always rushing to their next "new adventure". They seem like a kid in a candy store, no matter how old they are as humans.
The above to me would seem like the PC type.

The "old wise soul" has much patience, and time to give. They are not in a rush, as they have seen it all, but are here to "balance" out the "youngsters" and to teach and guide them when asked. These souls also could be the PC type.

I believe the people who fall into the "adult" soul, not too young, and not quite old enough yet, are the ones who can be easily manipulated. "As above, so below".
They think they have it all figured out, they try to be cooler then they already are, they put walls up between them for safety, etc. etc. These souls could be the NPC,
as they are the most secretive of all.

In my humble opinion of course :)

[truthseekerdan]

A better word to use would be influenced.

Thank you Bill, that is also my understanding of the matter.

As souls, we have unlimited potential and can create our own reality.

That's why we have in this reality the freedom of choice -- either to follow 'our thinking' (ego-mind reality) -- or align 'ourselves' with the Divine plan within. :love:

It's all a matter of understanding (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...-)&p=75029&viewfull=1#post75029)...:nod:

Namaste ~ Dan

[RedeZra]

Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.


it's no secret that a pregnant woman is influenced by the soul of her unborn child


as for soul fragments... it's more likely some sort of residue left in the fabric of time n space than an actual soul fragment... more like a ghost but still capable of influencing it's environment

as for possession... that is what demons do

[Beth]

Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.


I have experienced this often with my husband. His brother that passed does it every so often, they were very close. I can tell instantly when it happens as John's body language becomes totally different, even smokes his cigarette differently. I just usually say "John, you're not yourself, ground and focus."

[Zook]

I have experienced this often with my husband. His brother that passed does it every so often, they were very close. I can tell instantly when it happens as John's body language becomes totally different, even smokes his cigarette differently. I just usually say "John, you're not yourself, ground and focus."

My mom sees them all the time. Even as a young child. My older sister wants her on meds (Haloperidol or Respiridone). My younger sister wants her on fewer meds. Me? Doesn't really matter; she's still the same old mom to me either way. I hope to inherit her craziness some day. I kinda envy her. I'd really love to have interlocutions with interdimensionals and interdensities ... it would be interesting, I think.

:typing:

[Cate]

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[Hiram]

NPCs...and PCs....

I like the idea of thinking in terms of a character in a video game for a few specific reasons. This personality is a character. Human beings at this point in time are much larger then they conceive. At this point some of you are quite massive. We will remember this once you shed this character and once again begin to live in your memories.

From my understanding, the energetic body, the radiant body that animates the physical body you inhabit, has a Taste. This taste is the accumulated experience of this and many incarnations which are all occurring simultaneously. No past or future lives, all lives lived in the Time/no time of Now.

You didn't change into who you are...and you are not changing into something else....you ARE change itself. From outside of time, man's experiences appear as a great shimmering tapestry of light...a symphony of experience. The primary reason to enter the time stream is to experience change. Mostly because it's joyous to do so. Being serves Joy.

Well the electrons which surround your body can be controlled and directed by an adept, a being who has the discipline to control them. They can be brought into superposition---the very act of clearing your "attention" will do this. It allows the electrons to lose themselves. They become everywhere and nowhere at once in the quantum field which surrounds you.

Beings vary in the level of coherence and control of this quantum field...but it is not supernatural in any way. It is scientifically measurable. It can be controlled and enlarged.

There is so much more...A science of the soul.....but much has been forgotten and intentionally hidden from you.

[Tigger]

This is a most fascinating thread, thank you everyone for your info.

Samurai, Bill, can you give me any suggestions on books that I could read to research this further?

[FrankoL]

... also there is a saying; if someone has extreme fortune in his/her life you cant go against by no mean. It is a lost game from the beginning. So you are supposed to cooperate, even you don't like the person. You actually might have right the opposite.

In this respect it is good to know how thing works. I believe there is much in connection with ancient roman/greek belief system.

[Carmody]

Yep - the lights on but theres no one home :madgrin:

Hey Bill, you got an ETA on the clean up???

So yer sayin' we got a mess in Aisle 6?

"Clean up in Aisle #6!" Beuller? Beuller? Anybody?

Yeah, I'd say that there's lots of things going on,and on multiple levels. Our idea of a peaceful and isolated Earth really is an illusion, IMO and IME. A very carefully cultivated one, to boot.

More than enough work to go around.

[Carmody]

To my knowledge, a human body can function without a soul; as the human body is no more than a well functioning animal.

However, much like prime, unclaimed acreage during the time of the Oregon Trail; these bodies tend to quickly become occupied by one, or more, spirits.

It's a fun ride, a great adventure, and most importantly, a grand lesson. One of the most challenging lessons.

The way I've felt about it is, if I get a decent body, ie a decent game card, then I'm duty bound to do my best with it. All dials thoroughly hammered, screwed, and glued shut to the 11 position.

[Carmody]

NPCs...and PCs....

I like the idea of thinking in terms of a character in a video game for a few specific reasons. This personality is a character. Human beings at this point in time are much larger then they conceive. At this point some of you are quite massive. We will remember this once you shed this character and once again begin to live in your memories.

I've hesitated to say this, but it is my feeling that..since the origins of this be timeless, or all time..then 'arrival' is a matter of 'the moment' to some extent. When wars are fought or conditions/situations come about... then the tools to solve them appear in the moment. That's what the history of it -shows.

That things are getting tougher. And..... the Heavy Hitters are starting to arrive on the scene.

[Banshee]

.........................

[Carmody]

Many people have entities that attach themselves to someone, these can be astral beings, soul fragments of other people and created servators put in place for whatever reason.
for example a soul fragment of an alcoholic might attach itself to someone who is going to feed its desires, this entity can 'direct' the individual to behave in a way that will feed it. this is true for many differing strong emotional or substance 'hunger'.
the fragments aren't souls as such but a fragment of a soul. people can gain multiple 'hitchhikers' and be influenced in many ways, and it is a very very common phenomena, i would say that at some point most people have had them. the normally unknown guest will normally leave if its influence fails to get the host to feed its needs.
unfortunately the emotions and thought patterns feel like your own, so you think it is just part of your personality. these influences can be quite negative and they will steer your thoughts in a way that benefits their prolonged attachment, so you can find yourself skeptical or negative about things that will threaten them.
there are various methods for removal depending on you belief framework.
A very very dear and talented friend of mine looked into my crown chakra during a working she was doing with me and located one that was attached to me, it was very simple to remove and i 'saw' it leave my 'field' in my minds eye, my reaction was 'i thought you were part of me!'.
I have since them noticed a few attach themselves, they tend to go for certain areas of the body for some reason so a simple visualization and verbal command is normally all that is needed.

it is a form of possession, however not in the form that you might see in the exorcist. and like i say, it is extremely common.
again it sounds weird but you will find with a little research that it does seem to be true, i certainly believe it to be true.
there are some interesting books on the subject if you are interested, you will find them easily on amazon.

wether Bill is talking about the same thing I am unsure.

by the way thank you for all the interesting replys to the thread.

In the book ":Growing up Psychic (From skeptic to psychic)", Micheal Bodine , someone who sees spirits easily..speaks on what it was like to be a bartender-one of his many jobs in his life) and have spirits waiting around to possess people when they were drunk and weak. The people's natural defenses were down and they could be 'possessed' so to speak, in a MINOR way. Basically a 'hitchhiker', for a time.

Micheal was also a stand up comedian for about 5 years. Which means the book he wrote is absolutely pee yourself hilarious. It really is that good.

http://www.michaelbodine.com/Site/The_Book.html

I also mentioned (in another thread, somewhere) that I used to recall, after waking, of riding inside of, lets say..the 'chupacabras', as the Latinos and southerners call it. Be it known that current body occupants (me, you, etc) can also do this thing-and ride inside another human or animal. It might take a few trial runs though...

A powerful psychic can walk right into restricted facilities, or whatever the case may be... by 'doubling up' with someone. In essence, not that far off from the film 'Being John Malkovich'.

There are mechanistic detection systems in the bases for the silly humans...but the fail-safes, I'm guessing....are the Reps.

[Luke]

I just hope that the dead babies and their grieving parents, lying in the gutters of Iraq, Afghanistan and other apparently "cursed" regions of this realm, are blessed enough to have this perspective. (...) Does this make us "gods of our own perspective" and in as such, do we not bear the burden of responsibility to first, address the injustices suffered by our bretheren? How do we differ than TPTB by virtue of our inaction? Are we complicit?
I imagine the theme can struck you as heartless ... but consider this a mental exercise from point of view of immortal being that can see where is it going from outside the timespace before "downloading". From what I see, karmic laws are there for the reason, but then again, that does not stop some from having "fun".
On the other hand, when you understand that killing does not remove being within, it is kind of pointless.. only thing lost are ego layers, and maybe splintering effect for especially gruesome "transfers".
Knowing this, imagine all those murderers killed .. are they removed? or merely given carte blanche? Guess it depends on what level "killer instinct" was, no?
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Then again- how this meshes up with worlds designed by us, where killing is the major mechanism ... open up any MMO game, and you will see- to progress you kill, even if there are alternatives provided- it is killing that is most awarded. When you know how all this is connected, what construct does it create on thought-space level, and beyond?

[Luke]

(...)There are mechanistic detection systems in the bases for the silly humans...but the fail-safes, I'm guessing....are the Reps.
Indeed. There are rules and levels and mechanics and causalities we have barely glimpsed.. but they affect us and our world to a great extent.

Beyond and above the material world which is all what most of us perceive (I for one, while can easily conceptualize out there, and think was influenced via "outer realms", though I cannot "see" them, yet).
Way I see it- it is obvious that there are powers that use "technology beyond" .. in organized manner for millennia of our perceived time.

This is why all that naming current control structures from material level as "the top of pyramid" is laughable to me.

There are "nations" and "empires" out there we cannot even imagine.. and yet they rule us. Fighting on material plane without practical knowledge of things beyond is simply futile .. just as killing immortals.

[Banshee]

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[Hiram]

I can certainly agree to some extent with what Banshee says above.

However, the title of the thread was really speculative and was meant to provide a mental exercise, a "construct" or "context" by which we could explain the bigger picture, of what exactly is going on here. This thread asked us to consider that a video game might provide a possible comparison.

From the perspective of pain and suffering, and those who empathize with those who suffer, a speculative exercise can come off as trite...I concede that point Banshee. Thank you for grounding us--and I apologize if any offense was given. Though to be fair there are some very compassionate and intelligent people on this board, and I hesitate to relegate them to the impotent, armchair-theoretician roles so quickly.

On the contrary, exercises like this can be very helpful for some--and in my humble opinion, we had better get much, much, better at conceiving of things which hitherto mankind has been unable to conceive. What do I mean by that?

You said it yourself, that all previous modalities have failed. They have failed to alleviate the pain and suffering on this sphere and in this reality we call Earth. Despite the best efforts of many dedicated people, suffering always seems to "hold its own". It is time for some new modalities of thought, new ideas, and vastly new ways of seeing ourselves and our situation on this planet. I don't pretend to have the answers...but one thing I do know is that the keys are inside of us.

Those who were brought up with a Christian diet are very familiar with the phrase: The Kingdom of God is within you.

Now whether one believes in an intelligent force which amassed and organized the universe or not isn't really the point, the point is that if we don't go within and explore THAT undiscovered country...the vast and magnificent shadows and galaxies of light within us, It is my certain belief that any endeavor we set out upon will be ineffectual.

In layman's terms, you work on yourself before you work on others. Mind is the builder. The radiant body draws up the plans...from whence and on whose direction?

Go find out.

But when you go down that road be prepared to leave all of your preconceptions at the door. The Universe is not what it seems.

You are not what you seem.

I have no problem exploring that concept.

[Peace of Mind]

Hi guys, nice discussion…

I made a similar topic in the previous Avalon/Camelot forum. And yes, this is a rather interesting concept to say the least. During my studies of the metaphysical, I believe the mind is external and the brain is just the receiver for the mind to use to operate the body/vehicle. The actual manipulator of the body isn’t even in the body but operating it from a different realm….just like the protagonist in a video game. The characters in the game were made to simulate reality by showing emotions and abilities the creator understands. The creator designs the environments and the emotional codes for the VR beings to interact with…giving the manipulator/character the experience of actually being in the game. Well, this is how I see reality in a way. Some people you will meet will aid you in your quest while others will be an important example for you to learn from. We all have a part to play for the supreme architect to learn from. These video games are mind adjusters, they can be used to give more in-depth experiences of particular events…whether the end result of these interactions is positive or negative are basically on the individual’s perspective.

Here are more questions…
Can these VR characters actually feel pain and happiness? If we (the gamers) created and control these figures and put them through all kinds of hell and glory… could there be a chance that we are also creating changes in the energy and karma for ourselves? We could be seen as Gods to the VR people because we created them. So in essence, could our creators/users be viewing us in the very same manner? Could our individual attributes also create nepotism amongst the Gods, do they choose who they want to rule or serve? Possibilities are truly endless when dealing with unlimited thought…intentions are very important.

More on topic…

I do feel some people are more physically conscious than others (temporarily); just for the simple fact that people have been conditioned to do for self. So, when an issue about others misfortune surface…more times then often the individual shows little to no concern because they feel they are the star of the movie and everyone else are just extras and supporting cast members. This way of thinking may have been deliberately taught; it causes careless insensitive thinking amongst the masses, it raises the ego and creates the illusion of self.

The human race is like a hand and the fingers of this hand represent the individuals. If one finger becomes damaged or severed, the whole hand becomes limited. As of now, the hand is ill with sicknesses such as ego, greed, arrogance, envy, and fear. The virus is spreading and if not treated the whole hand will be lost.

Every human is a champion. I believe we are what we think we are, its just most of us are trained procrastinators and egomaniacs. Too many of us let the magnificence of being alive deter us from actually living. We fear lost of the illusionary breath of life by cowering in self indulgence. Our perception of co-operation is seen as weakness and disservice to ones own (self proclaim) mission. We are here for each other, if we don’t take care of each…who will? The answer has never been so simple.

In the beginning, with no arms or legs, every last one of us swam against billions to win a chance at this reality. We are the chosen few rewarded to be here to experience the experience through emotions and the honorable servitude to the species. When we question our individual prowess and weigh them against media driven propaganda of what should be…we become confuse and idle….therefore, putting development and progress in jeopardy.

IMO, the universal minds main purpose is to elevate, so it splits itself into fragments and sends it into various realms to get a well detail description of itself. When there is little left to be learned the reality changes into another environment (dimension), sought of like graduating from HS to College. These realities also will be learned and ascended from. Perhaps the process would be much smoother and faster if we didn’t catch a cold in the process. Healing is vital, so, venturing into another realm (as the sickly beings we currently are)… will more likely be harmful and potentially destroys us due to our inabilities to elevate and adapt. We must be prepared before moving forward. We cannot keep pretending to be naïve to our problems, courage must be embraced. Scared souls are useless to the cause, they hinder the whole species because they are tricked into not playing their part, they are too scared to do so. They think fear is everything else other than what it actually is…a learning moment.

We must know that everything (living or inorganic) is very important to our elevation…No one or thing is superior or inferior, they/we/everything is here to participate, to explore unique components of life that will provide specific understanding…ultimately aiding in uplifting the whole…

We all have something very important to offer the whole...don't be afraid to do your part...panic will only cause hesitation, it slows down the ride we call life.

I'll stop here, for now. sorry for the wall of text.

Peace

[Hiram]

Peace of Mind,

To use the parlance of the younger generation: Rock n' Roll!

What a great post. Loved every word.

[Banshee]

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[Samurai]

i like the virtual reality hypothesis, there are philosophers that have questioned if it is only the self that is the only one there and everthing/one is just an experience of the one self, altho i dont buy into this myself (or at least i dont at the moment, but my beliefs are pretty fluid to be honest) i do still think that this 'life' is some sort of game/lesson/trip/dream, and not as important to our spiritual self as we currently belive it to be.

I think there is a chance that when we emerge from this experience the importance of this reality will disolve as quickly as a dream.
imagine coming round from an experience similar to having passed out, you are confused and cling to the notions you experienced within the short seconds you were unconcious, like a dream, briefly you panic, clinging to the things that you have held close to you during your visit here, your mistakes, darkest secrets, biggest regrets, your loves, your obsessions, everything that might taunt you in what you fear might be al hell, being the hell of your own self, the things you will torture yourself over.
but when you come round, the friends that have been watching over you coax you from your slumber with encouragement and gentle words, and you roll on the floor too ashamed to look at them, they will laugh and tell you that nothing matters, nothing at all everything you thought was important was just a fart in the wind, you will raise a disbeliveing eyebrow, try to recall for a second, then join in the laughter as you realise they are right.
it was all just a game. the game was designed to stretch you emotionally, to explore yourself by emotionally enhanced experience, and an experience that was so short and over so quickly that nothing that happens within it really matters at all, other than the insights into yourself and the nature of perception that you might hold onto.

everything in this reality, our world view, our perceptions of others and ourselves or self impotance, the politics, the wars, the planet, the sun, the stars, the universe was just an expresion of that experience, nothing more than the structure of a dream, and in fact only a perception of an expression of an experience, nothing more

we are part of the infinate we are divine essence having a dream, or a quick hit, or a go on a arcade game, and no matter how twisted or glorious the experience we are having, it was only that.
we emerge from it divine once more, whole, clean and complete.
our life here is based on the random constructs of the percieved environment we have thrust ourselves into, our perceptions are based on what the environment and percieved inhabitants tell us, what the situation we find ourselves in, and the way we have been guided or molded within it.

i cant get away from the fact (or fact in my experience at this stage) that we are an immortal life force existing within infinity, our reality is an expression of infinity, the variables of which being everything you can possibly imagine - x infinty!

and our reality NOW is worth as much as that, one momentary perception within the huge ballpark that is infinty, and when our experience is over, it is lost like a dream, and we move on to the next experience.

yes it feels very real, we ALL get completely sucked into it, and we are able to express this random variable we call ourselves during this experience, we take part, inquisitively try our best and completely play the game 100% - but once we are out of here it means nothing at all.
everything you are right now is based on what you are experiencing within this cosmic twitch. new twitch new thing from the ground up.

maybe, or maybe not.
like i say my beliefs are fluid
i will probably say the complete opposite tomorrow.

[str8thinker]

Thanks Samurai for starting this interesting thread.


are these the true souls here in this game of reality and all the others are just part of the program of reality we find ourselves in?

This question has interesting parallels with this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9291-The-Grand-Video-Game-Thread-Inside-Secrets-Revealed

[Hiram]

Samurai....your wisdom shines, like the first rays of golden sunlight. What great contributions.

Banshi, I would be glad to make my understanding clear on Avalon in clear language--I agree that we need more people to do this. Help clarify our vision. I have said many times the only thing imperfect about human beings is our vision.

This can be argued of course...and should be. If you can't reason through a position and make it make sense it needs more silent time from you.

This type of discussion can be placed into the ultimate reality complex which is the endless ocean of thought and experience, or we can place the discussion into the many-layered and multi-faceted shared illusion we call reality, where all pain, suffering and aspects of duality exist.

Keeping in mind what is reality to one...is certainly not reality to another, both approaches are healthy exercises. Much like contemplating death and decay, which can provide unbelievable spiritual growth, one must also contemplate life.

To each thing...its own turn on this plane. Some times you move. Sometimes you stand still. Sometimes you are inside of yourself...sometimes you are outside yourself. These states of being are not riddles, but they seem somewhat cryptic don't they? Why?

Because they are thoughts and contemplations that are normally hidden in the backround of our reality, so when we take a moment to give them thought, they seem silly and non-practical. But I tell you...the more you think like this...the more reality begins to reveal itself to you. You look at a photo of the rising sun and you say..that is me...that is my soul rising on the very first morning there ever was! You see a little green shoot springing forth from the earth, and you say: that green shoot is me struggling to understand my universe...you see a piece of filth in the gutter, and you say: I too am that piece of filth, and I can't progress until I know and accept it.

It becomes addictive. You see that child starving in the street, and you begin to say: that child is me, suffering and starving right this moment. If the child dies, I die.

Thought becomes will becomes action--why? Because you simply can't take it anymore. The world becomes far too beautiful not to notice everything. You begin to finally take responsibility for the world---instead of saying its bad because of such-and-such. You realize the simple truth:

All are responsible for All.

So you want to make a difference? You must change your thought patterns. Its starts very small inside your own ego...and then bursts forth leaving your ego far behind like a butterfly leaving the cocoon.

Banshee would say....start right this moment! And I agree. Tick-Tock indeed.

If creating learning tools such as thinking in terms of video games helps, then so be it.

[Luke]

It is all tied to visualization and "internal model" of world everyone one has. (think "local database copy")

The more you identify with this what surrounds you, the more you can influence it, as you bringing down the barriers between "you" and "it" .. and while you are doing this the barrier between "you" and "thou" comes down too.

Problem is, our "copies of all" (parts of (w)hologram) are clouded by our internal structures - body-based emotions, beliefs, convictions ... when you let them lose, you lose sight, barriers are erected, flow is not flowing.. things go generally south... connection is (nearly) lost

Games can be great tools in bringing down your internal barriers if used with care and understanding of what are you doing. Everything affects everything. These same tools can easily obscure your in-sight if used without discernment.

That is the knowing of how things work is essential, without it you are doomed to follow the plethora of conflicting internal voices.

Now this not means "education" in material sense.. it is >>allowing<< yourself to access the knowledge pool. Ask, and knowledge will be given, if you choose to see it. Still you figure out what to ask for yourself :)

[Banshee]

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[Luke]

So, how do we utilize this state of awareness in a practical, world changing way.... or can we?
Think we already are. But it is so subtle at the beginning to the point of being easily missed.
But look for it , and see your personal "sphere of influence" grow and interact with others.

Smallest things make wonderful difference, but they are very easily obscured by what I call ego-will.. You know the "I want [insert your claim]" part.

The real thing is so subtle and naturally flowing, that after you make yourself sensitised to it, it cannot be mistaken.

But then there is craving for it (the ego strike back) ... But then, I think you already know all that :P ..

[Banshee]

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[Luke]

Then now I beg to differ.

Way I see it the things we take for granted, like technology, are of itself, very clever traps.
If one sees system as a whole, the giant frakkin compmentralized pyramid-upon-pyramid .. there are few places it cannot reach.

One of these is the ecosystem, that of itself cannot be "turned" ... because of that it is destroyed, with attempts being made for creating controlled substitute of it. As any such "creations" the effects are sterile .. as what is attempted is to create life without mana ... so atrocious to archons (or so is my interpretetion for now)

The real change can be only brought by making ourselves completely independent from the system we are deeply intertwined in. Hard, because bonds go very very deep, right into core regions of what we perceive as "true".

One way to do it (again- in my opinion) is to re-store the connection with planet itself, via the mesostes/the "coupling" which is plant/animal/rock(crystal) world. Just mental exercise - going with thread theme of "games".. imagine how fast you could accomplish things if you would able to directly communicate with plant/animal/crystal NPC's ?

By no way I see it as fiddling.. Let the Rome burn though - we should make something less-flawed, or rather something entirely different! I consider this much more important that frantic shuffling of chairs on Tytanic's deck..
Again be very, very carefull, because when you open most of the boxes we consider hard reality, you will see that inside, there is is a

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[Hiram]

Lets address the question directly and have a mental exercise to put this all in context:

There are terrible political forces at work in this world. So one can engage themselves politically if they choose to do so, if the will is there. But by opposing these things politically are you not also charging them? Are you not contributing to the polarization of the struggle by resisting, by taking a side? And even if you are talking a side..perhaps that is exactly what you wish to do? I am not making a judgment, simple making an observation of what is. For instance I have a very close relationship with anti-whaling as I have specialized in whale ecology in the past. It is something which I choose to support, and I take a polarized side in that debate. I don't do so because I believe there is a universally right position...I do it because I have decided that position is right for me.

I don't wish to confabulate my personal position with ultimate truth. My ego is just that...it is mine and does not represent Truth--whatever that word actually means. This is what I mean by detaching from things. This is part and parcel of what Luke is talking about.

I'll try and be very clear here--I apologize for any vagueness!

You can dismantle your attachments to any one moral philosophy and still act in accordance with a personal philosophy. It doesn't diminish who you are...on the contrary, when you detach you become more YOU than you have ever been.

Understanding that this world is in a terribly injured state--perhaps for a very specific and necessary reason--does not mean you lay down your arms. You engage in the game and you play your role, however small, with the full knowledge that it is a game. The catch is that your role can be as large or as small as you choose.

But one can make the decision to try and rescue the vestiges of a completely faulty system designed to reward (in my opinion) some of mankind's worst qualities (greed, competitiveness, pride, conceit and cruelty)...

Or one can decide that this is indeed the titanic, and perhaps we would be better off without this system? Perhaps a complete and fundamental collapse is what is required? Better to start over from nothing then to try and reform what is already broken. Maybe in your dreams you look forward to all things being made equal, to bring the High low and the Low high...

....But don't confuse your ego's dreams with the dreams of the universe. It may have vastly different plans that what you or I envision. So can you align your vision with that of the universe itself? Maybe.

That's what internal work is all about.

[RedeZra]

As any such "creations" the effects are sterile .. as what is attempted is to create life without mana ... so atrocious to archons


Archon (Greek) like Dux (Latin) are titles of nobility just below King and Queen in rank


Codrus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codrus)was the last King of Athens in 1068 BC. He sacrificed himself to stop the Dorian Invasion of Attica

After that the title of King was abolished as no one found himself worthy to succeed Codrus. His son Medon became the first Archon of Athens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archon_of_Athens)



(The Dorians had consulted the Oracle at Delphi who prophesied that their invasion would succeed as long as the King was not harmed. Codrus the King then disguised himself as a peasant and made it to the Dorian encampment where he provoked them to kill him. The Dorians then retreated for fear of the Prophecy)

[Carmody]

My mom sees them all the time. Even as a young child. My older sister wants her on meds (Haloperidol or Respiridone). My younger sister wants her on fewer meds. Me? Doesn't really matter; she's still the same old mom to me either way. I hope to inherit her craziness some day. I kinda envy her. I'd really love to have interlocutions with interdimensionals and interdensities ... it would be interesting, I think.

:typing:

It is a rush unlike any other.

Afterward.. when the mind has reconciled with the new information and gone through it's temporary "insanity" (Paul Simon-slip sliding away), it's moments of adjusting....it will then be impossible for you to be intimidated by anything ...human. The body fears death but the mind is not influenced by the body in the same way. We end up having a cover, or cloak we wear in our behaviors and relations, in order to fit in, to not freak people out from our difference within. That difference is such a minor thing. But so critical a corner to turn.

Many think they don't fear death but to go through the actual door of death and recall it, to do it consciously, in this world. That is a different matter altogether. That is my recollection. Threatening me with death is a pretty useless action. I can pretend, for the sake of a cover story that I'm afraid, but no. I'm actually more curious how powerful I can be outside of this shell, outside of it's limits. I know and have experienced some of it.