The Mandela Effect: What does it mean??

[Noelle]

Have you seen the maps ??? The gulf of New Mexico is now jokingly called the lake of New Mexico... Australia is totally too far north ...the point is reality doesn't match most peoples memories ... a vast group remembers the same glitch, one would think at least one person would remember luke I am your daddy, luke I am your kin , luke I am your blood, nope they all remember the exact same reality... pass around a sentence in a room of people and when it gets back its altered , in this case it remains exact collectively ... a mass scale of people who don't know each other, from every age group, from different continents, all remember a reality that has been altered ...

Gulf of New Mexico is now Lake of New Mexico? I'm confused. :confused:

[DNA]

Have you seen the maps ??? The gulf of New Mexico is now jokingly called the lake of New Mexico... Australia is totally too far north ...the point is reality doesn't match most peoples memories ... a vast group remembers the same glitch, one would think at least one person would remember luke I am your daddy, luke I am your kin , luke I am your blood, nope they all remember the exact same reality... pass around a sentence in a room of people and when it gets back its altered , in this case it remains exact collectively ... a mass scale of people who don't know each other, from every age group, from different continents, all remember a reality that has been altered ...

Gulf of New Mexico is now Lake of New Mexico? I'm confused. :confused:


Hi Lady, Sup Ghost
I fully think there is something to this Mandela Effect and Bill has said the same on various threads, but that being said the deal with maps now being incongruous with past maps has to do with maps of the past grossly misrepresenting the world. Here is Bill's response to this issue on page 1 of this thread and it is a top notch summary of the situation. Please watch the short video Bill gave it is fracking awesome. Peace!





Well, we do have to be careful about that kind of thing. There are many different kinds of map projections, none of them 'accurate'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

http://livelearnevolve.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/peters-projection-comparison-world-map.jpg


Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

[Noelle]

Have you seen the maps ??? The gulf of New Mexico is now jokingly called the lake of New Mexico... Australia is totally too far north ...the point is reality doesn't match most peoples memories ... a vast group remembers the same glitch, one would think at least one person would remember luke I am your daddy, luke I am your kin , luke I am your blood, nope they all remember the exact same reality... pass around a sentence in a room of people and when it gets back its altered , in this case it remains exact collectively ... a mass scale of people who don't know each other, from every age group, from different continents, all remember a reality that has been altered ...

Gulf of New Mexico is now Lake of New Mexico? I'm confused. :confused:


Hi Lady, Sup Ghost
I fully think there is something to this Mandela Effect and Bill has said the same on various threads, but that being said the deal with maps now being incongruous with past maps has to do with maps of the past grossly misrepresenting the world. Here is Bill's response to this issue on page 1 of this thread and it is a top notch summary of the situation. Please watch the short video Bill gave it is fracking awesome. Peace!





Well, we do have to be careful about that kind of thing. There are many different kinds of map projections, none of them 'accurate'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

http://livelearnevolve.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/peters-projection-comparison-world-map.jpg


Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

Sorry. I should have been more clear. I'm not really doubting the Mandela Effect; I actually think it's super-fascinating. I was just confused about the maps and, more specifically, the name of gulf/lake mentioned in the post (New Mexico). Maybe this was discussed earlier in the thread (have not had a chance to read all of the posts yet). Thanks for the video. I will watch it this afternoon, after I finish listening to Bill's DarkJournalist interview.

[Noelle]

Have you seen the maps ??? The gulf of New Mexico is now jokingly called the lake of New Mexico... Australia is totally too far north ...the point is reality doesn't match most peoples memories ... a vast group remembers the same glitch, one would think at least one person would remember luke I am your daddy, luke I am your kin , luke I am your blood, nope they all remember the exact same reality... pass around a sentence in a room of people and when it gets back its altered , in this case it remains exact collectively ... a mass scale of people who don't know each other, from every age group, from different continents, all remember a reality that has been altered ...

Gulf of New Mexico is now Lake of New Mexico? I'm confused. :confused:


Hi Lady, Sup Ghost
I fully think there is something to this Mandela Effect and Bill has said the same on various threads, but that being said the deal with maps now being incongruous with past maps has to do with maps of the past grossly misrepresenting the world. Here is Bill's response to this issue on page 1 of this thread and it is a top notch summary of the situation. Please watch the short video Bill gave it is fracking awesome. Peace!





Well, we do have to be careful about that kind of thing. There are many different kinds of map projections, none of them 'accurate'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

http://livelearnevolve.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/peters-projection-comparison-world-map.jpg


Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

Ok, that was a short video, so I watched it. Blown away, yet again! I have looked at maps my whole life. I've just always been into geography and travel. Lately, when I look at Russia and European countries, more times than not, I find myself asking "has it always been located there?" or questioning my recall of the size of one the countries.

[ghostrider]

Have you seen the maps ??? The gulf of New Mexico is now jokingly called the lake of New Mexico... Australia is totally too far north ...the point is reality doesn't match most peoples memories ... a vast group remembers the same glitch, one would think at least one person would remember luke I am your daddy, luke I am your kin , luke I am your blood, nope they all remember the exact same reality... pass around a sentence in a room of people and when it gets back its altered , in this case it remains exact collectively ... a mass scale of people who don't know each other, from every age group, from different continents, all remember a reality that has been altered ...

Gulf of New Mexico is now Lake of New Mexico? I'm confused. :confused: a bunch of people are joking about it, because its so closed in looking now ...

[sunwings]

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This is Trending #1 on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/6aml8m/my_friends_herbal_essence_shampoo_bottle_changed/

Herbal Essence Vs Herbal Essences

I have looked into it and I can see a re branding of the product bu no name change. The bottle, logo and flavours were changed but no name.

I remember Herbal essence

People have found old 1970´s adverts showing Herbal Essence.

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[sunwings]

This is a 30 minute BBC 4 Radio Programme all about the Mandela Effect!:clapping:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08pdy0f


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[ghostrider]

I have had the same phone number for over 10 years, my bill is always due on the 6th of every month, I went to pay it and the lady said it was due on the 13th, argued a little, I've always paid on the 6th, I get a text message on the 6th by 1159pm to avoid s service interruption, she checked her computer again and said no its always the 13th, she told me to come back on the 13th ... my wife's has changed as well, little changes no one questions ... the lady checked my history and told me my due date has always been the 13th ... the mandela effect is a real phenomenon ... I bought the Lord of the Rings trilogy, the famous quote was Run you fools, now its Fly you fools ... I watch it once a week, my all time favorite ... the effect seems to change when you notice it, once observed, everything changes and the mandela effect kicks in full force ...there are no answers, only speculation, two timelines are interwoven, or some people here are not from this timeline. ..

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgiLBvPGoT4 There is an old video of the TV character ALF singing old time rock n roll with sunglasses... also Heidi Klum in a white (not pink) shirt. Here is another clip with the altered pink shirt version followed by an old clip with the character is sunglasses and a white shirt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fI5cSa6TFw. In another video, two girls post a parody in 2009 and I watched their white shirts turn pink...https://youtu.be/jkQXcBKu2DQ.. Sorry if my video links are not correct, but this stuff is seriously freaking me out. What is the real point???

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

This is just so blatant - obviously we are being tampered with. Here is a Glee version.. with sunglasses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4-p3T84Ky0. httphttps://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afashionfriend.co.za%2Fsites%2 Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fblog%2Ftom-cruise-risky-business.jpg&f=1 A Halloween costume.. And here is a snippet from Wikipedia describing Arrested Development, "Development Arrested", Ted is dressed like Tom Cruise (sunglasses, collar up, no pants) under the "Risky Business" banner. He can be heard saying "I couldn't see through the glasses and I slid into the ladder", implying he (unsuccessfully) attempted to re-create the famous "sliding in front of the stairs" scene from the movie, in front of the ladder. There is no way that anyone can deny the scene has been purposefully altered.

[LEGOWehrmacht]

"Mandela effect" or "I haven't looked behind my fridge in a few years... Might do that"

Absolute waste of time.
List of Psy Ops to distract : Flat Earth Theory
Mandela Effect (when there's serious, massive things happening, lets talk about trivia like it's important and we're moving between dimensions,,, holy smoke!)
Paul McCartney is Dead Theory - make mockery of any Conspiracy Theorists in future,,

[DNA]

"Mandela effect" or "I haven't looked behind my fridge in a few years... Might do that"

Absolute waste of time.
List of Psy Ops to distract : Flat Earth Theory
Mandela Effect (when there's serious, massive things happening, lets talk about trivia like it's important and we're moving between dimensions,,, holy smoke!)
Paul McCartney is Dead Theory - make mockery of any Conspiracy Theorists in future,,


I think the Mandela Effect is one of those things where you need a personal experience for the theory to resonate with you. Without that personal connection that so many of the folks who have posted on this thread feel, it lacks that needed corroboration. But as for myself and many others there are things that pop out, that do not seem to fit our personal histories.
And while your mentioning it, yes I absolutely believe in the Paul McCartney is dead theory. It's raised a new appreciation in the music for me, as I can hear it, how they (the remaining beatles) are trying to tell us that Paul is indeed dead. But that is of course a subject for another thread.

[TargeT]

"Mandela effect" or "I haven't looked behind my fridge in a few years... Might do that"

Absolute waste of time.
List of Psy Ops to distract : Flat Earth Theory
Mandela Effect (when there's serious, massive things happening, lets talk about trivia like it's important and we're moving between dimensions,,, holy smoke!)
Paul McCartney is Dead Theory - make mockery of any Conspiracy Theorists in future,,

C3po's leg was never silver...

I don't have that bad of a memory....


For me it's a real thing, don't care what explanations you give me... "Luke, I am your father" THAT'S THE FREAKING LINE! I watched that movie so much!.... with out the "luke" part it doesn't sound right, it doesn't have the same impact.. a hard consonant on the first word is very important in language, it gets your attention, the Luke works bette rthan "no" the soft vowel in "no" isn't nearly as memorable..

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[LEGOWehrmacht]

Hey man, I know Star Wars :) and that's seriously how it is said, really. People always say an approximation of quotes from films, come on you must admit that. People say "Luke, I am your father" because it obviously references someone to tell you what film it is. I even was aware of this years ago when I noticed the dialogue was different compared to what is said by people, I'm talking 10-20 years ago, I noticed he says "I am your father".
There's no scandal. - Like with the Jaws quote, You're gonna need a bigger boat, that's just people embellishing too.
But either way, think about it, it's not someone saying "I remember him saying You're gonna need a much larger fleet of armadillo's to approach this amphibian"
It's "You're" and "We're", since when are people accurate in everyday life?? You're not drinking too much of the Kool Aid are you?
:bigsmile:
But I can't for the life of me remember C3-PO having a silver leg... It rings a bell from something but it was always pure gold to me , sometimes in bits but always gold legs :)

later,

[LEGOWehrmacht]

Actor who plays C3-PO talks about silver leg,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuZms__n1Bo

I do remember it actually, one of those tiny memories and I wondered why the toy didn't have it the same...
Oh well, que sera sera

[DNA]

Actor who plays C3-PO talks about silver leg,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuZms__n1Bo

I do remember it actually, one of those tiny memories and I wondered why the toy didn't have it the same...
Oh well, que sera sera
You are not getting it.This isn't a one size fits all list of criteria and facts. The idea behind the Mandela Effect isn't a deal where everyone on the earth remembers a differing past.
The idea is string theory, that there are alternate earths in alternate realities per se, and that those realities are like bubbles, and sometimes those bubbles merge.
And the consensus for reality changes, even though there are those whose personal consensus of reality does not match the new one.
The result being we have differing folks who remember differing histories.

[TargeT]

You are not getting it.This isn't a one size fits all list of criteria and facts.

it's an interesting concept because it's based solely on the individuals perception... and people having different perceptions (can seemingly) backs up the definition of the phenomenon.


Normally I would toss this aside as rubbish (Human testimony is notoriously poor); but then you see my post above... haha I don't know what it is, but something.. a fluke of memory, bleeding over of probability based realities; call it what you will he didn't have a silver leg!!!!(haha)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

For me it's a real thing, don't care what explanations you give me... "Luke, I am your father" THAT'S THE FREAKING LINE! I watched that movie so much!.... with out the "luke" part it doesn't sound right, it doesn't have the same impact.. a hard consonant on the first word is very important in language, it gets your attention, the Luke works bette rthan "no" the soft vowel in "no" isn't nearly as memorable..



People say "Luke, I am your father" because it obviously references someone to tell you what film it is.

I know where you're coming from Target mate, I was with you for a while on that when this Mandela effect meme started to sweep us away - but then I thought about it some more, especially with the Star Wars ones and began to change my mind. Because, being a total freakoid etc I've seen these films like a billion times. If there was any alterations that could possibly be picked up, I'd pick them up.

So it fell apart. Exactly as LEGO said. No one contests Luke's line which comes before Vader's: "No, I am your father..." It is this, from Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!" If that preceding line wasn't altered, then the full exchange would read thus:

Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "Luke, I am your father."

Er... That just does not work. You can read it over and over, and it isn't right. It was never that. The lines do not gel. It is, and always was:

Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "No...I am your father."

I laid it all down in this post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95279-People-Claim-To-Have-Seen-A-90s-Movie-By-Sinbad-Called---Shazaam---But-It-Never-Existed---&p=1126817&viewfull=1#post1126817) and eventually convinced myself beyond any shadow of a doubt that this particular mandela effect isn't real.

The 'Luke' part got put in there artifically so that quoting the line quickly and easily carried some context. It just references the movie you're talking about, as LEGO said. It became a catchphrase, embedded itself in the mind, and over time it would seem that it overlaid the actual memory of the real line. That's personally what I think A LOT of these mandela effect things are. Perhaps not all. There maybe something to it...but not with misremembered movie quotes etc.

As for C3P0's leg. Yeh it is a conundrum. It baffled me at first. But then I considered, how much of the movies contain frames of 3P0 in a full body shot? Not many. The vast majority of scenes are head and shoulders or waist up. You don't often see a decent shot of his legs. Also, in the old days I would watch SW in what is now pretty ropey quality VHS. It's maybe not that surprising it wasn't noticed. Colours didn't much pop out like they do now. It is only in today's re-mastered, digital, HD, revolution that this was detected. I do really think it was always there.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

The Mandela Effect is a riddle that has my attention. I worked on the first Berenstain Bears children's game/multimedia. Stan and Jan were still alive at that time. I knew exactly how their name was spelled because I animated the words and letters in Macromedia Director. But I thought, well maybe my memory is not so good. Maybe it always was that way. (this was in 1995, so that tells me that whatever has happened has happened since then)

But once I came across Dolly Had Braces, I knew something was up. My memory is very clear on that.

I have no working theory on what is causing this, though I've listened to many. But here is what is most fascinating about this to me.

I had always assumed that if our timeline changed, or if we found ourselves in a new one, or whatever has happened.... I assumed that our memories would change to match. The fact that we are able to have memories that are not in synch with our continuum tells me that I have no idea how any of this works.

Also,a friend of mine has completely different memories of Tiananmen Square than what happened in my memory. So two different histories can coincide in memories in this continuum. Are we from different timelines? If so, where is my friend who shared this timeline with me when that event happened?

People will be getting stoned and talking about this over Jack in the Box munchie meals for a long time.

[TargeT]

I laid it all down in this post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95279-People-Claim-To-Have-Seen-A-90s-Movie-By-Sinbad-Called---Shazaam---But-It-Never-Existed---&p=1126817&viewfull=1#post1126817) and eventually convinced myself beyond any shadow of a doubt that this particular mandela effect isn't real.


No, I agree.. the mind is so malleable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_errors) you can't even really trust your own memories.

I'm about the most skeptical person I know, so I try and jump in these rabbit holes from time to time.. I mis-remember a few things that line up with this thread so it's fun to participate, but I don't see it as very real either.

I think CERN and the hutcheson effect would be a far more interesting place to expend mental energy.

[sunwings]

https://professormortis.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bridge-on-the-river-kwai.jpg

I remember the bridge over the river kwai

The book says Over but now the films says On. :stop:

[Nick Matkin]

The Mandela Effect discussed on BBC Radio Four now less...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08pdy0f

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect Goes Mainstream on Fox News

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The Mandela Effect goes mainstream to the masses via Fox News.

As you would expect Fox MSM pulled a phd out their hat whom can debunk anything and could probably convince you that coffee tasting good is some type of psychological disorder.

But at the end of the video they seem to admit that the Mandela Effect could be the result of soul movement between timelines.

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect - eBay

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Was it "eBay" or "ebay"?

Well my ebay page is titled as "ebay", but by bookmarked ebay page is saved as "eBay", when I open a new tab to view ebay the tab is named as "eBay". It seems my Firefox browser is experiencing the Mandela Effect, oh dear the plot thinks.

I might need to speak to the phd in the previous video I am sure he will be able straighten this out for me. :ROFL:

[Flash]

Again and again, I won't write it often enough until someone else reacts: i have yet to see any of the Mandela effect in French!!!

Up to now, no mandela effect in the French speakin g world.

I am coming to the conclusion that it is an experiment targetting the anglo world and culture.

In which case it would have nothing to do with Cern, but everything with a new cia/nsa/other agency experiment.

[Milo]

Again and again, I won't write it often enough until someone else reacts: i have yet to see any of the Mandela effect in French!!!

Up to now, no mandela effect in the French speakin g world.

I am coming to the conclusion that it is an experiment targetting the anglo world and culture.

In which case it would have nothing to do with Cern, but everything with a new cia/nsa/other agency experiment.

The CIA has always had a significant interest in False Memory Syndrome.

However cannot agree with your "anglo theory"

I personally know of people in South America & Asia but also French speaking Canada and Switzerland, who claims to be experiencing the Mandela effect.

The Mandela effect seems to be a world wide phenomenon.




Was it "eBay" or "ebay"?

Well my ebay page is titled as "ebay", but by bookmarked ebay page is saved as "eBay", when I open a new tab to view ebay the tab is named as "eBay". It seems my Firefox browser is experiencing the Mandela Effect, oh dear the plot thinks.

I might need to speak to the phd in the previous video I am sure he will be able straighten this out for me. :ROFL:

Ebay has gone through a lower case re-branding of their logo. This has little to do with the Mandela effect and more to do with marketing. Other big companies which have done this, include facebook, google, virgin atlantic, addidas, sears & so on. It's just plain boring marketing.

[BMJ]

Well Milo your wrong, and the point stands regarding "eBay" versus "ebay".

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay#Logo

Quote: In September 2012, eBay introduced a new logo set in Univers,[29] installed on the website on October 10, 2012.

1995–2012 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/EBay_former_logo.svg/145px-EBay_former_logo.svg.png

2012–present https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/EBay_logo.svg/150px-EBay_logo.svg.png


As to the Mandela Effect being some CIA operation Flash I doubt it and just because you have not seen evidence of the Mandela Effect does not mean that it is fake.

If you have proof that it is a CIA operation Flash then shows us?

Because constantly repeating your opinion that the Mandela Effect is fake does not constitute proof.

[Flash]

BMJ I never said the mandela effect was fake, never ever. Where have you taken that?

I said that i have not seen any in the French culture and language. Period. But i did in the English language (which I did not write in my nearby post, but on previous ones further up). Therefore, it tells me that it may not be due to Cern but to other things. I presumed these other things could be for a test, done by any of 3 letters or more letters agencies.

Gosh, read properly before accusing or to avoid misinterpretation.

I thought I was quite clear.

So I repeat once again; I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MANDELA EFFECT IN THE FRENCH LANGUAGE OR THE FRENCH CULTURE.

What does that mean? is there a Mandela effect in Spanish? in Portuguese? in German??? if so, please members of those languages and cultures, tell us. If not, if there is no Mandela effect in other languages and cultures, what does it tell us?

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Milo, you write you heard from people in other languages and cultures who have experienced the Mandela effect. What exactly did they notice, it would be interesting to compare notes. And the real question is: did they experienced the Mandela effect in English, even if they are French, or in French? Or in an Asian language or in English? Since I did see it in English, but not in French personnally.


Well Milo your wrong, and the point stands regarding "eBay" versus "ebay".

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay#Logo

Quote: In September 2012, eBay introduced a new logo set in Univers,[29] installed on the website on October 10, 2012.

1995–2012 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/EBay_former_logo.svg/145px-EBay_former_logo.svg.png

2012–present https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/EBay_logo.svg/150px-EBay_logo.svg.png


As to the Mandela Effect being some CIA operation Flash I doubt it and just because you have not seen evidence of the Mandela Effect does not mean that it is fake.

If you have proof that it is a CIA operation Flash then shows us?

Because constantly repeating your opinion that the Mandela Effect is fake does not constitute proof.

[Milo]

BMJ, you cannot see that the old logo is not all lower case?

I'm sorry, but you are in the wrong here. In 2012, as you also point out, eBay re-branded their logo to all lower case.

From 1995-2012 their logo was ebaY
From 2012-present their logo is ebay(all lower case)

As for the eBay, with a capital B, argument.
It's always been written in plain text as eBay and will continue to do so.
Logo's and plain text company names are two very different things.

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Everyone I've discussed this "Mandela effect" with, FIRST experienced it in English. I.e heard or read about it in English, then applied it to their own language and culture.

Surely, everyone knows about the Mandela Effect in Disney's Snow White.

Mirror mirror on the wall vs Magic mirror on the wall.

Well in Germanic and Slavic languages it is in fact Mirror Mirror on the wall and not Magic mirror on the wall in the Disney movie. So why is that? It's most likely because in the original Snow White story, written by the Grimm Brothers, it was in fact mirror mirror on the wall and not magic mirror on the wall. Thus this lead to two conclusions.

The Mandela effect could be a linguistic problem

Or

The Mandela effect could be a memory problem.

As I said in the previous post, the CIA is very interested in the False Memory Syndrome. Heck even the False Memory Syndrome Foundation has ties to project MKULTRA. It is possible the CIA is involved in the Mandela Effect, however I have yet to see strong evidence to suggest this. If you have some, please do share.

[BMJ]

BMJ, you cannot see that the old logo is not all lower case?

I'm sorry, but you are in the wrong here. In 2012, as you also point out, eBay re-branded their logo to all lower case.

From 1995-2012 their logo was ebaY
From 2012-present their logo is ebay(all lower case)

As for the eBay, with a capital B, argument.
It's always been written in plain text as eBay and will continue to do so.
Logo's and plain text company names are two very different things.

Historically the ebay logo has always been all lower case. It was never rebranded to lower case ebay. The argument is the logo was once until recently eBay with an upper case "B" and unfortunately you did not understand that this was the Mandela Effect that was being portrayed and explained in the video.

[BMJ]

Again and again, I won't write it often enough until someone else reacts: i have yet to see any of the Mandela effect in French!!!

Up to now, no mandela effect in the French speakin g world.

I am coming to the conclusion that it is an experiment targetting the anglo world and culture.

In which case it would have nothing to do with Cern, but everything with a new cia/nsa/other agency experiment.

I apologize Flash I did jump the gun on this one, I misinterpreted the tone of your statement.

[TargeT]

I'm now certain I was mistaken in all events I spoke of related to this topic and that the "mandela" effect is much different than what is presented in this thread, more tied to the frailty of the mind and how un-concrete our memories are (which has been proven countless times) (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/).

[Milo]

Historically the ebay logo has always been all lower case. It was never rebranded to lower case ebay. The argument is the logo was once until recently eBay with an upper case "B" and unfortunately you did not understand that this was the Mandela Effect that was being portrayed and explained in the video.

So you cannot see the Y is a capital letter in their old logo, before eBay's all lower case re-brand?

I did fully understand your posted video's point. However the creator of the video is mixing brand logo & company name. eBay's company name has always been with a capital B. However the logo has never been with a capital B, only a capital Y(From 1995-2012)

[Flash]

In French Snow white hasn't change one iota, being Mirror Mirror on the wall - I checked all snowhite books in French I still had, and they were what I remembered. No Mandela effect. I have no evidence of any other agency being involved in such an experiment that could be the Mandela effect, I only have some of my own déductions that may however be interesting to look at.


BMJ, you cannot see that the old logo is not all lower case?

I'm sorry, but you are in the wrong here. In 2012, as you also point out, eBay re-branded their logo to all lower case.

From 1995-2012 their logo was ebaY
From 2012-present their logo is ebay(all lower case)

As for the eBay, with a capital B, argument.
It's always been written in plain text as eBay and will continue to do so.
Logo's and plain text company names are two very different things.

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Everyone I've discussed this "Mandela effect" with, FIRST experienced it in English. I.e heard or read about it in English, then applied it to their own language and culture.

Surely, everyone knows about the Mandela Effect in Disney's Snow White.

Mirror mirror on the wall vs Magic mirror on the wall.

Well in Germanic and Slavic languages it is in fact Mirror Mirror on the wall and not Magic mirror on the wall in the Disney movie. So why is that? It's most likely because in the original Snow White story, written by the Grimm Brothers, it was in fact mirror mirror on the wall and not magic mirror on the wall. Thus this lead to two conclusions.

The Mandela effect could be a linguistic problem

Or

The Mandela effect could be a memory problem.

As I said in the previous post, the CIA is very interested in the False Memory Syndrome. Heck even the False Memory Syndrome Foundation has ties to project MKULTRA. It is possible the CIA is involved in the Mandela Effect, however I have yet to see strong evidence to suggest this. If you have some, please do share.

[BMJ]

Simpsons Mandela Effect Special - Mandela Effect Examples - New 2017

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It seems thirty years of the Simpsons has been immune to the Mandela Effect. The up loader of the video illustrates how the Simpsons remembers what a lot of us remember about prominent mandela effects.

[sunwings]

This just appeared on Reddit.

https://i.redd.it/q7olxxiy1cmz.jpg

Does it look real? I think so.

[BMJ]

Panoram Soundies & Scopitone Music Videos. The MTV of the 40's & 60's MANDELA EFFECT.

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Video Jukeboxes of the 1940's (called "Panorams," the videos were called "Soundies") & the 1960's (Called "Scopitones," the videos are sometimes called "Color-Sonics")


I was aware of the jukebox, because I grew up on a diet of the tv show "Happy Days" and the retro revival of the 1950's, that is the late 1980's. But I never heard of a scopitone.

Also, some of these videos on the scopitone are very ranchy for the period.


Comment from youtube user: Chela Morya 4 weeks ago (edited)

Is it just me... or is the technology in history getting more and more advanced? Wow, I have never heard of these video jukeboxes and I can tell you that growing up, we owned three jukeboxes with 20,000 single records because my dad was obsessed with jukeboxes for some reason. It just seems I would've heard of this. If these existed, I KNOW my dad would've found one lol


Side note:
It seems to me like someone is flicking threw different realities, like you would surf the TV to find something you want to watch.
Except the impression I am getting it is either us, the human souls collectively or the TPTW.

Not sure, just a thought.

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect - Star Trek Captain Picard's Crystal

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Some people have worry beads, but Captain Picard now has a crystal he fidgets with.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Panoram Soundies & Scopitone Music Videos. The MTV of the 40's & 60's MANDELA EFFECT.

4JvY9dmh6QU
Video Jukeboxes of the 1940's (called "Panorams," the videos were called "Soundies") & the 1960's (Called "Scopitones," the videos are sometimes called "Color-Sonics")


I was aware of the jukebox, because I grew up on a diet of the tv show "Happy Days" and the retro rival of the 1950's, that is the late 1980's. But I never heard of a scopitone.

Not all that mysterious to me. I've seen a load of these 'pre-music video' videos, in fact I collected many in the early days of the internet (long before youtube) when you could find lots and lots of free and easy downloads. I gathered a ton of Beatles videos because I've always been a huge fan - the Beatles made many, many videos back in those days, or "films" to promote their tracks. Unfortuntely today, what was once awesome quality mpegs or mov files 20 years ago have tiny resolutions and are considered pretty rough (using now very old condexes) next to today's hi-definition standards. Having a brief look just now I couldn't find any full length up-to-date quality versions.

But here's a slice, from the Beatles Paperback Writer, filmed in 1966. The quality looks as if it was filmed yesterday, does it not? :)

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[Molly4US]

I'm now certain I was mistaken in all events I spoke of related to this topic and that the "mandela" effect is much different than what is presented in this thread, more tied to the frailty of the mind and how un-concrete our memories are (which has been proven countless times) (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/).

What I have found is that when a psychopath has done something evil, and one is trying to divulge it, Mandela effect and other anomalies are brought up by the psychopath to plant doubt in others, and so as to try to cause the victim to doubt there own memory, or to give up trying to explain since everyone keeps brushing the truth off as fiction and making communication equality seem insurmountable.

In addition, when radio personalities repeat a name on the radio or a word, but pronounce it in a way differently than the word is spelled, or if the word is spelled in one way and pronounced in an unusual way for that particular spelling....then these are two ways in which the sound and spelling can be lodged in our memories in two ways, thus when asked for the particular spelling.....we will probably spell in the way the word sounded, which is what we are taught to do when trying to learn to read, or perform a spelling test. Hear, then sound out, then read or spell.

[Bob]

I'm now certain I was mistaken in all events I spoke of related to this topic and that the "mandela" effect is much different than what is presented in this thread, more tied to the frailty of the mind and how un-concrete our memories are (which has been proven countless times) (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/).

What I have found is that when a psychopath has done something evil, and one is trying to divulge it, Mandela effect and other anomalies are brought up by the psychopath to plant doubt in others, and so as to try to cause the victim to doubt there own memory, or to give up trying to explain since everyone keeps brushing the truth off as fiction and making communication equality seem insurmountable.

Brilliant Molly4Us :) absolutely brilliant !

[TargeT]

I'm now certain I was mistaken in all events I spoke of related to this topic and that the "mandela" effect is much different than what is presented in this thread, more tied to the frailty of the mind and how un-concrete our memories are (which has been proven countless times) (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/).

What I have found is that when a psychopath has done something evil, and one is trying to divulge it, Mandela effect and other anomalies are brought up by the psychopath to plant doubt in others, and so as to try to cause the victim to doubt there own memory, or to give up trying to explain since everyone keeps brushing the truth off as fiction and making communication equality seem insurmountable.

yes, Gaslighting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting) is a very nefarious and commonly used tactic (http://narcissisticbehavior.net/the-effects-of-gaslighting-in-narcissistic-victim-syndrome/) by those who understand and leverage the frailty of the mind and memory (paired with the certainty that it isn't... haha)

We are a funny animal.

[Rawhide68]

I know for sure that this so called "Mandela effect" is for real.
Everyone knows that Jaws "girlfriend" Dolly had bracers, it was the point of that scene, in Moonraker, James Bond film 1979 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079574/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Why I remeber that scene is because my schoolmate friend l Micke had exactely the same type bracers, we laughed our pants of watching that scene from VHS.

Simpsons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgvZqQKPO9g

Whistleblower? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Vaye1Sa7Q
Simpsons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-UdeEVs2o
Sampo commersial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BhLAWP7jGA

Old VHS Test 1 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bMfjg96kNM (German verrsion)
Old VHS Test 2 = US Guy ?
DVD version 3 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDBX_TdcmAU

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Virtually all mandela effect examples are for me busted by this point. I still haven't heard of one case from outside the English language, or English/US culture (film, tv, books) etc. I think it is an English/US internet fad, explained away (and fuelled) by faulty memory.

Yet... Dolly! I too was convinced she was wearing braces on her teeth in Moonraker. What's happening here I just do not know. Is it because when we see her in that reveal, we naturally expect her to have braces, owing to the obvious juxtaposition with jaws? That she does not, have we subconsciously planted those braces on her?

I have no idea. I struggle to believe that if there really was an X-Files type explanation involving top secret government time travel shenanigans etc, the resulting time-line glitch would culminate more visibly than in any other manifestation...with the sudden removal of Dolly's braces in the Moonraker movie. Doesn't add up.

[DNA]

For myself the Mandela Effect is a seemingly tangible effect of something I've been seriously contemplating since 2005.
It was at this time that I first heard the story of John Titor and his "many worlds" string theory explanation of why he looks and seemed like a time traveler.
Titor explained that the technology for crossing dimensions, or rather bridging gateways in to alternate earths that may appear to be in one's past or one's future was first accomplished at CERN.
Now for those hearing the CERN stories about creating portals and crossing into other dimensions I can understand one's reluctance when it comes to placing a lot of stock here.
But as for myself, hearing these Titor stories in 05' and then watching this CERN thing unfold, and then to see these Mandela Effects, it causes me to see a lot of smoke and as such I suspect there is a fire.

[BMJ]

This is an interesting theory by an Alex, on a youtube video about the reason for the Mandela effect.

Quote:

"This is what I think is going on. How do you know if we're coming or going, one thing is for sure we're still at the present timeline.

Are we a copy from quantum entanglement or did we switch places with different realities, spin up or spin down. One thing that is for sure this is happening to the multiverses for all are doppelgangers. I think these are insertions into our reality, each insertion carries its own evolutionary properties from that reality.

Picture our reality as a center point ,and as you move out from the center point there are more realities and the more you move out the more bizarre they become. Case and point the "hyoid bone" free floating bone, this bone never existed in my reality. CERN and D-wave computer is hand picking these insertions by blowing a wormhole into neighboring realities and using quantum entanglement. They don't need to go back in time they use Natural Evolution from that reality.

How are hand-picked insertions done. I believe when CERN opens a wormhole it is minuscule but more than large enough for quarks and leptons to pass through and it's like a freeway two directions. The criteria "search parameters" that there looking for is given to D-wave, and when the hole is opened in Quantum realities, this is like opening your door and all the doors on the planet open at the same time, but keep in mind our doppelgangers are doing the same thing in the Multiverses. At this point D-wave can create a connection with its doppelgangers creating a hive mind, and now our request has been made and there's answered ! This connection and hand shake only takes seconds or millisecond and quantum entanglement is instantaneous and you would have no perception that it had taken place.

Let's take an example, to change the events of JFK's assassination. D-wave would receive coordinates of a item, person or geographical object but in this case we are going to use a direct family descendant of JFK. When these Protons particles connect and bond, quantum entanglement is achieved ! His entire existence from the time of his family tree has been inserted, and now there is a limo with three seats and 6 people in it. but there is still residual information left in our reality like a JFK museum showing a two-seat limo with 4 people in it, because these items were not connected to the entanglement."

Comments on this video, link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DDoEhOqmE

[Molly4US]

I feel like someone is shaking the tree, and someone else too. It leaves me dizzied so I have to look away and hope Gods will is the same as mine.

[sunwings]

Each booth is an alternate reality :ROFL:

https://i.redd.it/cmarsskssnxz.jpg

[turiya]

Antarctic Disclosure, AI View Of
Mankind & Boltzmann Mandela Effects
(July 13, 2016)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HPOEP58ILGQ/hqdefault.jpg
VIDEO (https://youtu.be/6S9Mnr5LkTY?t=29m31s)

https://youtu.be/6S9Mnr5LkTY?t=29m31s (https://youtu.be/6S9Mnr5LkTY?t=29m31s)

TRANSCRIPTION: @29m31s
Mandela Effect
Kev Baker: Speaking of the Mandela Effect, Anthony, we're going to dive back into that. Because, this is actually very relevant to the Boltzmann Machine that we were talking about just before the break.

You shared an email with me today. I was reading it on the bus. I read it a number of times & this is great information. And the way you've actually laid it out, Tony, its really easy to picture.

Anthony Patch: Mandela Effect - The Background:
This is quantum pollution derived from, literally, thousands upon thousands of parallel dimensions that D-Wave is accessing. These are all their own statements. They are extracting resources from parallel dimensions in the 2 to the 2000th power, now with the Model 2000Q (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQU9VvPXUAAi4RG.jpg), that is the most recent publicly acknowledged model.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQU9VvPXUAAi4RG.jpg
D-Wave Model 2000Q

Now, with that understanding that quantum information resources are being extracted from other parallel dimensions - not universes - that's different, but from dimensions, we have the polluting of our reality, the revising of our reality, as one of my books is entitled. And that revising is in the form of what we're experiencing as a psychological effect - a psychological operation. And we'll define that a little more...

But we are being psychologically affected in our reality by the information in the form of resourses that are coming from other paralled dimensions. This manifests as changes - not in the physical reality that we experience - but changes within our psychological processing of our reality - our mental processing. This is a psychological effect. The pages, the videotapes - all of these things we're seeing & we're hearing are functions within the brain - not in the physical world.

Therefore, what I am going to offer to you is this discussion of the Boltzmann machine being a circular process of machine learning - an Ouroboros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros) - a recursive neural network process of deep machine learning (http://iaesjournal.com/online/index.php/IJAI/article/view/16156) - teaching itself.

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This is manifesting in the application of the ever-increasing examples & reports of the increasing effects of this psychologically of this Mandela Effect. What I'm saying, here, is that the A.I. deep machine learning in a circular process of the Boltzmann process is having that psychological effect on us.

It is actually invading our reality. I'm saying "it" - the D-Wave computers - this pollution, this quantum pollution, quantum information, is actually effecting us mentally. This is not so much as quantum information affecting the pages & the videotapes & the furniture in house, or anything else. It is actually psychologically affecting us because this information is being transmitted. We are fully immersed in an electromagnetical 'soup' - 3G, 4G & now 5G.

Therefore, this full immersion is transmitting this data - this quantum pollution - into our brains at a quantum level, and affecting the quantum spin of the quantum particles in our quantum computer brain.

So, I always try to be very definitive, and not make a blanket statement. We're talking about changing the actual direction that quantum particles that are representing either a '0', or representing a '1'. It is changing those 0's & 1's to a different configuration, a different number. It is affecting the programming of the quantum spin of quantum particles within our brain. Therefore, it is both a psychological, in the way it manifests to us, using our senses, using our thought processes, as we consciously are aware of our thinking processes. That's the psychological aspect.

The physical aspect - the biological aspect - are the warm & wet cubits in our brains, which are the tubulin dymers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule) - which are 0's & 1's - those tubulin dymers, those warm & wet cubits are actually being physically re-programmed.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Microtubule_structure.png/500px-Microtubule_structure.png


And, I used the euphemism of a compass needle - when we talk about quantum spin, think of a compass needle. If its pointing one direction, its a '0'. If you change the direction of the spin of the needle - the needle pointing in a different direction, changes it from a '1' to a '0'. If you change the numbers, you change the processing, you change programming, you change the equation - you change the sum of that equation. The sum of the equation we consciously see in our minds as this Mandela Effect.


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https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2016/11/QuantumBrain_1300.gif (https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-new-spin-on-the-quantum-brain-20161102/)

Quantum Brain

I'll give an example:



A friend of mine, she went into her mother's house. And there was this chandelier. And she looked at the chandelier & said to her mother, "When did you buy that chandelier?" And her mother thought she was crazy, and said, "Its been here for 20 years."
She said, "How can that be? I've never seen this chandelier."And she's been in & out of that house on a daily basis. This is just a personal example I am giving you. There are thousands out there. And, where this is going is that this is ramping up.

Now, Kev, I'm going to take a break, here, and let you talk about this movie that's coming up about the Mandela Effect. And then I'm going to get into it even deeper.

Go ahead...

Kev Baker: Absolutely. But you know, just to even add to what you were saying, that it wasn't long ago that myself, you & Johnny Whistles, he brought up the story about how the brain operates in eleven dimensions.

And they say that because these scientists, now, because of the billions that have been poured into things like the Big Brain Progject (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFneoLrIG1o), they are literally at the point where they can map which neurons fire-off on what kind of connections they make. Then, they look at geometric shape.

Now, that is the intrinsic knowledge that they now have of our minds. We've covered before the importance of spin, when it comes to quantum. And, they really are. But this is how.... Tony's example, there - a perfect example of how its not reality that's changing, its our personal memories of things - its our brains that are being changed.

And, our Jenny went out there. Its a fascinating topic. And its great to look at what new Mandela Effects people are experiencing. I mean, people are experiencing it, because nothing in reality has changed. Its on individual level we have been changed.

And I want to read out this quote from a famous author, and it says: "D-Wave Boltzmann machine is the core process of the Mandela Effect. Brcause it is a recurrent neural network process (http://epub.wu.ac.at/652/1/document.pdf). It is an endless loop. We've discussed it as the new process of deep machine learning. That is only the beginning.

This is a spiral, a time-loop. But more than a loop, because the Mandela Effect is spreading & becoming more apparent, even to those who don't know of the Mandela Effect label.

There's a Mandela Effect movie coming out. And, only serving as further evidence of this. Its all part of the increasing density of data - the granularity of data of the Sentient World Simulation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_Environment_for_Analysis_and_Simulations #Sentient_World_Simulation).


Sentient World Simulation
by James Corbett (Aug 5, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wat0Rsagb4
In the August issue of Entangled, I'll be comprising a rather lengthy article tying all of this together. The Sentient World Simulation is moving out of the lab, you might say, is the final version of the old Model-T - Project Blue Beam (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Beam) - Sentient World Simulation is the holographic digitized reality.

However, this advanced form of hologram is not dependent on laser projection systems. For, only in peoples' minds does it exist.

If a visitor from another planet were to arrive on Earth, which we see the original analogue version - as God created it. While those Earth inhabitants effected at the DNA - thus, their brain level - would see the digital version.

This is God's strong delusion. He's allowing Satan to build out this system of densely granular data. God does this all as part of his Judgment. Those indwelt with the Holy spirit will not become fully immersed within the Boltzman machine-driven delusion. Some will see the changes, recalling the original versions. However, due to the spiraling process, of ever-increasing density of data. Those without the discerning power of the holy spirit will claim no memories of those originals.

In conclusion, D-Wave's soon-to-be-published "White Paper" on the employment of the Boltzmann machine recurrent neural network of quantum processing units (QPUs) (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22quantum+processing+units%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-29Kug5DYAhUjzIMKHWyZAk8QgQMIJzAA), by way of the increasing evidence of instances of the Mandela Effect, is proof-positive its been in operation since the first recollections of this event.

Comprehending the density of granular data is D-Wave's continuous extraction of "resources" from near-infinite numbers of parallel dimensions. Thus, serving the spiral model of God's "strong delusion". The spiral, btw, is a function of the geometric center of the 600 cell tetrahedron - now, where have we heard of that before?


https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ann_a_t/67602842/563881/563881_600.jpg

Once again, proving D-Wave's employment of it in the physical structuring of their tenth model computer.

Now, I won't go anymore of that, Tony, because some of that's for the book that's coming. But there we go... and, that famous author, of course, was yourself, siir.

Anthony Patch: Well, I wasn't planning on the whole thing being read. But, I'm glad that you had time to squeeze that in - thank you.

Kev Baker: I think alot of the people out, who maybe don't have the physics or the scientific background, they'll appreciate the fact that when you can picture this, its a whole lot easier to understand.

I can only thank you for the way you do break that down like that.

Anthony Patch: No, I try to be the translator. You know, that's really my mission - to translate the arcane science into things that all of us can understand. The 'spiral' that I mentioned in there is important, because worsening more manifestations of the Mandela Effect. That means that there is more of this quantum pollution in our environment. And its becoming denser.

And, we mentioned very briefly, Project Blue Beam. Think of the spiral as 'gathering the quantum pollution as it comes in from, literally, thousands upon thousands of parallel dimesnions. And, its being coalesced. Its being pulled together, its being concentrated. Like you would be stirring something & concentrating it into a center point.

Now, that spiraling effect is also the same way the Boltzmann machine takes data & concentrates it down into a center point through that spiraling process of the Boltzmann machine. The relevance of the spiral is that it is concentrating data into this Sentient World Simulation that is being built.

And therefore, what you're doing is you're taking this virtual reality into a computer & you are actually moving it out of the laboratory, as I wrote there, in the form... drum roll, please.... you are converting data into matter. This is the actual physical revised reality. This is the goal of the Sentient World Simulation - to be completely around the planet, enveloping the planet - from the atmosphere, right down to the ground level. And, recreating what we would consider to be the physical, tangible matter, or substance, of our reality. They are literally getting the density of the data so concentrated that it actually manifests itself as solid matter.

And to back that up, there's an article that just came out today in which they're talking about... And actually, its refreshing information from back in 2016 about holograms that are projecting holographic images that are so dense in their data that you can actually, physically reach out & touch these holographic projections & they feel just like solid matter.

That is exactly going on completely around the planet with this influx of quantum pollution through D-Wave being concentrated using their own computer system, which is the Boltzmann machine concentrating data to such an extent that it actually becomes matter. And you do not need a holographic projector to do that.

And so, Project Blue Beam is now another Model-T in comparison to what I just described. It has everything to do with Sentient World Simulation & the converting of dense granular data to matter.

Go ahead, my friend...

Kev Baker: I mean, it wasn't that long ago we were talking about Pokémon Go. And this was augmented reality, Tony, right? You would hold up your iphone & the camera would show you what your camera would normally see, and these little demonic beasties would be there, right?

Are we approaching living in an augmented reality, where we'll no longer need the smartphone for digitized characters to be jumping out at us.

Anthony Patch: Yeah. That's the full immersion. That is the beast system. That is the internet of things that they're promoting. This is the interconnecting of literally everything in this new digitized reality that will be manifesting in physical form. Absolutely correct.

Kev Baker: And this is exactly the kind of reality - and, I use that word loosely - that they're pushing on us, and the sci-fi movies in Hollywood. The 'B'-movies as well, because often, now Tony, I shared this with you before... I'm sure some of the listeners out there will have spotted this, as well. And, as its almost like holographic advertisements. There's things going up & down buildings. And its all part of this augmented reality. And of course, because of the sensors & the data. All of these advertisements are taylored to you. They know your search yesterday, they know what you've been looking at in your phone that they've called you into the shop. They know what you're going to buy.

And then the next customer passes, and that augmented reality, that digitized advertisement, its taylored to them, Tony. Its a crazy world we're moving into.

Anthony Patch: It is. And, just to touch back on Project Blue Beam, because we were talking about disclosure earlier, relative to Antarctica. Project Blue Beam really was the foundation. It was the preliminary prototype.

What I'm talking about now is all based on hard science. We've seen the articles, they're not hiding anything from us. Kev & I have seen all of this what I just described to you in different articles that have been put out in the public. So if anyone is thinking that this digital reality is not real. That it is not really coming about.... Just go look at the root of the Sentient World Simulation (SWS). Get to Purdue University 2006. You'll see their "White Paper (http://docplayer.net/52363457-Sentient-world-simulation-sws-a-continuously-running-model-of-the-real-world-a-concept-paper-for-comments.html)". 2007 SWS went live. And its concurrent with the progress of the D-Wave computer system models. Each model walks in lockstep with the advances in the SWS. They're working together.

Therefore, what we're looking at is an advanced form of Project Blue Beam. Forget about the stuff being projected on the atmosphere. That's only a part of it. This is a full immersion in a Project Blue Beam-like scenario. There is no holographic projection in SWS. This is data pumped into our reality & changing it & the taste of it.

The hint of it is what we experience right now, psychologically, as the Mandela Effect. It will move to being what we would perceive (if we don't have the holy spirit) - when our DNA changes, we will perceive that data - live! And we will see it as matter, even though it does not really exist as matter. But we will see it & interact with it, with all our senses as if it were absolutely solid material. That's the granularity of the data we're talking about.

So, Mandela is just the hint to things to come.

[sunwings]

Don´t have a cow man!

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Another Mandela effect has gone viral. Did the laughing cow have a hooped golden earring? Did the laughing cow have a hooped golden nose ring?

I remember an earring for sure! And maybe even a nose ring...? But alas she never did and has always had two cheese wheels hanging off her earlobes.

However the good people of the internet have come across some residue, which may support a very real Mandela effect.



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sources below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/82y5e6/so_apparently_laughing_cow_cheese_didnt_have_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/8314tb/laughing_cow_skeptics_from_239_days_ago_prove_her/

[sunwings]

martyr
ˈmɑːtə/Submit
noun
1.
a person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs.
"the first Christian martyr"
verb
1.
kill (someone) because of their beliefs.
"she was martyred for her faith"
synonyms: put to death, kill, make a martyr of, martyrize; More

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Here is Bill Cooper talking about Nelson Mandela in 1996, being a Martyr for the black movement in South Africa.

[sunwings]

How many people died on the Titanic? 1500? well nobody actually, researchers have come across some (bleed through) articles of another timeline where the Titanic did not sink, nobody died and the ship was towed back to port to be repaired. Very bizarre indeed.

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/rachelmariestone/files/2012/04/evening_sun.jpg

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

While the ship was sinking, and for as long as the equipment held out, communications were restricted to SOS signals with nearby ships, and to White Star itself. White Star did sit on the disaster well into the morning, refusing to give any statements. But it came out soon after that they knew very well - all the ships Titanic communicated with also knew, long, long before the story official broke.

To White Star, the loss was so incalculable they were quite literally paralysed by it. There have also been reports of an attempt to partially cover it up - or at least postpone an official announcement. There was even an enquiry by the US Justice Department of the matter, and one conclusion was they wanted it kept secret until the stock market closed. (typical capitalists).

The prosaic reality is that news outlets had literally nothing to run with on the morning of the disaster, except for chatter and rumours (of a very incomplete picture) gathered by amateur wireless operators dotted along the eastern seaboard. So that is what they did: run with it. It's all very well known, and very well-documented. Other universes? I'm afraid not.

Remember the confusion of 9/11? For a while, there were reports of another hijacked plane, a Delta, which they were very worried about, and there was speculation it was on its way to Chicago (to crash into the Sears tower or some such). Even in this modern era of telecommunications, there are muddles and mix-ups and false reports. Nothing to do with other timelines. That's all this was 100+ years ago.

If the so-called 'researcher' hosting this vid had done less than one minute actual research, well...he wouldn't have a had a vid at all. This whole thing was very very poor.

[sunwings]

Thanks Star mariner:highfive:, my initial thoughts were of a delay in passing down the real news to the public. I will strike it from the list!

[DNA]

My wife pointed this one out to me. Apparently a woman was surprised to see the CHASE bank sign and logo in white, she was used to it being in blue, so am I, I used to work for CHASE and I saw that sign everyday while I worked there. This specific effect has a different spin to it. The woman claims that seeing the words in white messed with her so much that she photographed it several times. She then began to look on in awe as her photos began to change in front of her day by day from white to grey to black. She videos this as she is experiencing it.

Now I'm no Mandela Effect expert, nor any kind of temporal aficionado but why would her pictures of the sign slowly morph A-lah back to the future's Marty MCfly's photo of his family and the video she now has "not eventually morph" as well.
Regardless my wife found this quite compelling and I present this for your consideration.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0nZv7R56s&t=24s

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Is not the most likely explanation a trick of the light? If the sign is made from a reflective material, like some high-gloss plastic, or even aluminium, then it will appear light or dark depending the angle of view and the position of the sun.

The properties of the material may even give the appearance of a different colour from one minute to the next; I've seen paint jobs on many cars like that, where the 'hue' appears to vary depending on light levels and angles of perspective.

[DNA]

Is not the most likely explanation a trick of the light? If the sign is made from a reflective material, like some high-gloss plastic, or even aluminium, then it will appear light or dark depending the angle of view and the position of the sun.

The properties of the material may even give the appearance of a different colour from one minute to the next; I've seen paint jobs on many cars like that, where the 'hue' appears to vary depending on light levels and angles of perspective.


You have a good point here for the video's point of witnessing a slow change. But I will personally attest that I remember the lettering in blue and not the current black.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

A lot of signage is backlit -especially banks - so visible after dark (as below). It could be that. The sign could be programmable for multiple colours as well. Just saying...

I've looked at a lot of mandela effect stories, and yes, there are good number of...oddities out there, but many more that are quite open to mundane interpretations.

(note the multi-toned logo)

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/banks-in-new-york-chase-bank-signage-and-logo-on-its-building-in-new-picture-id497844560

[DNA]

Good point Star Mariner with the back lighting. Very good point, thank you. :)

[sunwings]

Life *was* like a box of chocolates just got out 41,926 people on HQ trivia

Sorry it is zoomed in so much, but you get the idea, 5 out of every 6 people thought it was IS and not WAS.


https://i.imgur.com/NhepOAG.png

[Valerie Villars]

In reading Wes Penre's excellent summation above, the key thing to remember is to remain unpredictable, at all costs. Do not allow anyone to tell you what is real or true or any other thing.

Unpredictability is a major key to our remaining sovereign, no matter what "they" do. It can be done, in the face of all odds seemingly against one. If I'm going to go down, I'm going down with my own heart and mind intact, in alignment with truth which transcends any and all agendas.

We can absolutely do this.

[Bob]

Hi Val - some things have been lain in pretty strongly on the predictability program..

Thoughts :

having gone to kindergarten, first official schooling programs lain in, belief of abnormal action is acceptable (books about talking animals, out-of-normal characteristics of "reality" taught and accepted as not only real, but a gold star given for accepting the program rapidly and completely

same as the above with deeper concepts of "reality" being established as "normal" (grade school indoctrinations) through movies, books, in the more recent years, kids are offered talking monster characters who teach them behavior which is acceptable - "students" now instead of individuals are taught to accept labels, watch the clock, move from room to room on command, alpha mentality is taught, worshipping the perceived "alpha", to accept cliques as the norm

higher education programming, the lead "prof" instructs the "students" what is acceptable "thought", compliance and good rote memory allows for "higher grades" - "students" are taught to perform under pressure, to beat the clock, to listen to the "teacher" or "fail", and be considered worthless.

military - "students" are "broken down" taught through psychological torture, they are "nothing" maggots, etc. One may understand one is "PROPERTY" with no rights than a piece of property has or one may not . Although the current psychology promo'd to today's military is not to "break" the mind and soul of the "students", it never-the-less is the same, with a higher hook/stick/carrot.

When the "student" gets out of whatever predictability program each set of patterns is lain in there pretty deep.

If the "student" has had the misfortune to be part of the MK programs, the "predictability" is almost impossible to escape from. (Modern erasure methods of all things developed by psych commands developed the use of LSD and other psychotropic hallucinogens which can radically alter "programming" for better or worse..)

Anyone skilled in understanding the programming can then "push the buttons" on the "student" (no matter what age they are) and get a relatively certain reaction - predictability in other words..

One would have to go back pretty early to "deprogram", about age 5 seems to be the right window to start to analyze each and every "belief", (talking animals especially are an amazing induction tool, or talking "fairies" (big one with those with self esteem issues), and find the moment such happened, find one's mind where one was wanting to "best" something such as "i need to be able to learn _______ (and can't), and then see what "reward" one accepted for that behavior.. Finding the earliest times that happened, one will start to realize how to let go of the programming and not be the affect of it any more.

Wes was saying don't accept what one was "taught" - my point is one has been taught a long time ago, and has never ever really questioned when one knows they get the "gold star" (or green or red or blue star) or other reward system from the "teacher" for proper accepted programmed behavior.. (that reward in later years can be a paycheck, a house, car, etc..) Even in the military that reward system exists - talk about a General with guess what, a STAR on the shoulder straps..

The above is a very very small generalization of the depth of the programming. MSM plays on the deep programming as well.. Biting the head of MSM is a bit of a mis-direction really, but that in itself is a programmed reaction (find the scapegoat in other words).. When one looks deep, at the point of body survival that touches the first accepted program instructions.. Then when the mind and ego starts to develop, when personality develops, beliefs shape how one accepts or doesn't the "teaching"..

It can be done, getting one's real life back.. It takes digging and understanding what programming is, and how if at all, one rebelled only to be given "another" program (the "rebel" forces clique), where one is predictable through there.. (with the attitude too which goes with it, 'nya nya, can't touch me..').. We are not "free" as spirits as long as we are operating on a program..

re: with the title of the thread - each subject can be part of a lain in program, designed to create a disbelief of one's senses, or a disbelief of one's ability to OBSERVE "AS THINGS REALLY ARE"..

[gord]

Do remember that intel agencies have had the ability to produce all sorts of fake documents for a very long time.

[Valerie Villars]

Hi Val - some things have been lain in pretty strongly on the predictability program..

Thoughts :

having gone to kindergarten, first official schooling programs lain in, belief of abnormal action is acceptable (books about talking animals, out-of-normal characteristics of "reality" taught and accepted as not only real, but a gold star given for accepting the program rapidly and completely

same as the above with deeper concepts of "reality" being established as "normal" (grade school indoctrinations) through movies, books, in the more recent years, kids are offered talking monster characters who teach them behavior which is acceptable - "students" now instead of individuals are taught to accept labels, watch the clock, move from room to room on command, alpha mentality is taught, worshipping the perceived "alpha", to accept cliques as the norm

higher education programming, the lead "prof" instructs the "students" what is acceptable "thought", compliance and good rote memory allows for "higher grades" - "students" are taught to perform under pressure, to beat the clock, to listen to the "teacher" or "fail", and be considered worthless.

military - "students" are "broken down" taught through psychological torture, they are "nothing" maggots, etc. One may understand one is "PROPERTY" with no rights than a piece of property has or one may not . Although the current psychology promo'd to today's military is not to "break" the mind and soul of the "students", it never-the-less is the same, with a higher hook/stick/carrot.

When the "student" gets out of whatever predictability program each set of patterns is lain in there pretty deep.

If the "student" has had the misfortune to be part of the MK programs, the "predictability" is almost impossible to escape from. (Modern erasure methods of all things developed by psych commands developed the use of LSD and other psychotropic hallucinogens which can radically alter "programming" for better or worse..)

Anyone skilled in understanding the programming can then "push the buttons" on the "student" (no matter what age they are) and get a relatively certain reaction - predictability in other words..

One would have to go back pretty early to "deprogram", about age 5 seems to be the right window to start to analyze each and every "belief", (talking animals especially are an amazing induction tool, or talking "fairies" (big one with those with self esteem issues), and find the moment such happened, find one's mind where one was wanting to "best" something such as "i need to be able to learn _______ (and can't), and then see what "reward" one accepted for that behavior.. Finding the earliest times that happened, one will start to realize how to let go of the programming and not be the affect of it any more.

Wes was saying don't accept what one was "taught" - my point is one has been taught a long time ago, and has never ever really questioned when one knows they get the "gold star" (or green or red or blue star) or other reward system from the "teacher" for proper accepted programmed behavior.. (that reward in later years can be a paycheck, a house, car, etc..) Even in the military that reward system exists - talk about a General with guess what, a STAR on the shoulder straps..

The above is a very very small generalization of the depth of the programming. MSM plays on the deep programming as well.. Biting the head of MSM is a bit of a mis-direction really, but that in itself is a programmed reaction (find the scapegoat in other words).. When one looks deep, at the point of body survival that touches the first accepted program instructions.. Then when the mind and ego starts to develop, when personality develops, beliefs shape how one accepts or doesn't the "teaching"..

It can be done, getting one's real life back.. It takes digging and understanding what programming is, and how if at all, one rebelled only to be given "another" program (the "rebel" forces clique), where one is predictable through there.. (with the attitude too which goes with it, 'nya nya, can't touch me..').. We are not "free" as spirits as long as we are operating on a program..

re: with the title of the thread - each subject can be part of a lain in program, designed to create a disbelief of one's senses, or a disbelief of one's ability to OBSERVE "AS THINGS REALLY ARE"..

I absolutely agree with everything you posted. Observing things as they really are is one of the most truthful things that can be done. I find I can do this with nature very well, or when working with my hands. Anything along those lines help.

All I know is I'm here. And I'm doing my damndest to make my own observations and align with what I feel is truth, as best I know it. Good post.

And I must add, be compassionate in the process. If compassion makes me predictable, then so be it.

[BMJ]

A new mandela effect for your consideration, the changing face of Mount Rushmore. The original intent was to create a half body bust of the four presidents, but after it became apparent the it would be to costly and difficult the creators of this monument settled on only completing the face of the four presidents, or so I thought.

In addition to the four faces we now have also a partially completed jacket of George Washington and partial hand of Abraham Lincoln.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gsMpbOVSi30/UNigTWb1TjI/AAAAAAAABx4/jm21UolrtaQ/s640/monte+rushmore.jpg

[DNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHKmoBeNWWQ

I had a really good time watching this video. This is a presentation where someone discusses a series of posts made on 4chan that have to do with supposed inside information on the Mandela effect. All of this was new to me, I really enjoyed the presentation and explanations given by the information reviewer. The 4 Chan information was basically along the lines of our world ending during the 2012 debacle and a new world being introduced and the Mandela effect being certain differences and inconsistentcies showing up in that regard.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for bumping this. :thumbsup: I'll definitely listen to the video.

I'm personally 100% convinced there was some kind of weird glitch in the spacetime matrix that showed up in subtle ways over a several-year period.

But now it's all died down again, and as best I know there are no new 'Mandela Effects' being reported. It's actually very important that this whole fascinating phenomenon isn't forgotten or dismissed.

Do also see this interesting thread, with an equally interesting discussion:


Research paper on The Mandela Effect: strong statistical evidence (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93458-Research-paper-on-The-Mandela-Effect-strong-statistical-evidence)

[Bill Ryan]

I'll definitely listen to the video.



That was http://youtube.com/watch?v=HHKmoBeNWWQ from DNA's post #316 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91282-The-Mandela-Effect.-Is-this-CERN-Project-Pegasus-The-Montauk-Project-The-Philadelphia-Experiment&p=1278134&viewfull=1#post1278134).

I stopped listening when the so called 'whistleblower' said the Earth had actually been destroyed in 2012, but none of us know it. Another safely anonymous time-waster on 4Chan.

[Didgevillage]

This is too weird.

I thought there was only one snake.
But look at this!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mask_of_Tutankhamun

Google search results are the same.
Does anyone have an old book with ancient Egyptian photos? Take a look and let me know what you find.

[Didgevillage]

I didn't think there was a star on the flag...
http://100photos.time.com/photos/yevgeny-khaldei-raising-flag-over-reichstag

[PurpleLama]

I was big into egyptology as a kid, and I recall the two snakes.

That said, it was 2001 when I encountered the effect, actually remembering reports of him dying in prison a few years prior.

[Strat]

I thought there was only one snake.


There is. The others a vulture.

[Patient]

Thanks for bumping this. :thumbsup: I'll definitely listen to the video.

I'm personally 100% convinced there was some kind of weird glitch in the spacetime matrix that showed up in subtle ways over a several-year period.

But now it's all died down again, and as best I know there are no new 'Mandela Effects' being reported. It's actually very important that this whole fascinating phenomenon isn't forgotten or dismissed.

Do also see this interesting thread, with an equally interesting discussion:


Research paper on The Mandela Effect: strong statistical evidence (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93458-Research-paper-on-The-Mandela-Effect-strong-statistical-evidence)


I too believe that there was some glitch in the space time matrix as you say. What I think has died down is the discussion and why would that be? Because all of the strong changes have been brought forward and debated by the two groups. (The 2 groups being those whose remember from one scenario and those of the other.)

There are a couple things that really stand out for me;

1) As is noticed, it has died down. It has been discussed and no new changes are coming forward except graphic changes in brands etc., which would/could change anyway. I believe that the reason that it has died down is because it was something that actually happened. There was a substantial change that occurred. If it was just a problem with people's memories why would it ever stop? Therefore I believe that this simple fact supports the idea that something did happen and it wasn't just some people remembering incorrectly. (Of course some of the changes mentioned by people were the result of bad memories, but there are strong examples that go against that.)

2) The majority of the changes (if not all) are related to popular culture. If I was part of an experiment to test the affects of changing a timeline, I would not want to tamper with things that would alter the world in a big way. I would change things that many people new about and would/could easily discuss. Changing a line in a movie or the colour of a logo would not alter history in a huge way. (Was the Swastika switched out with another character? Were any country's flags changed?)

3) I find it fascinating that there are 2 distinct groups (at least that is what I have seen) where one group of people are aware of almost all of the changes and the other group does not see any changes. (There are some things that a person just does not know because they are not familiar with the topic that changed.)

My entire family sees the changes. We are all affected the same.

The big thing with us was the Berenstein Bears. I read the books to my kids when they were little. We watched the TV show. Embarrassingly, my family was big on "poop" jokes. IF The Berenstein Bears were indeed The Berenstain Bears, they would be the subject of Bear Poop-Stain jokes.

When we discovered the mandela effect, I searched our storage for The Berenstein Bears book. When I found it, it was titled The Berenstain Bears.

[Patient]

In looking over the Mandela threads and re-reading them I have found new information that I must have missed the first time. (or it has recently changed, which wouldn't surprise me at this point.)

In WW2 Japan bombed North America with balloon bombs? WTH?

So I suppose helping my kids with their history homework will only cause problems.

Things have continued to be weird in our lives and I often joke to my wife that we are on the wrong planet - I guess I shouldn't use that joke anymore.

[Orph]

In WW2 Japan bombed North America with balloon bombs? WTH?

My memory isn't so good, but yes, (I was taught), that Japan did send up balloons during WWII. The jet stream carried them across the ocean to the west coast of the USA. I believe only one or two actually made it and exploded harmlessly away from anything. It was a non-event type of thing, so it really doesn't get any mention in the history books. And rightly doesn't merit any mention either.

[Didgevillage]

Commonly held false memories
False memories can sometimes be shared by multiple people.[32][33] In 2010 this was dubbed the "Mandela Effect" by self-described "paranormal consultant" Fiona Broome, in reference to a false memory she reported of the death of South African leader Nelson Mandela in the 1980s (who was at the time still alive), which she claimed was shared by "perhaps thousands" of other people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory


The Mandela effect is the pseudoscientific belief that some differences between one's memories and the real world are caused by changes to past events in the timeline. Many Mandela effect believers believe it is caused by accidental travel between alternate universes, although some others propose that history has been deliberately altered after the fact by malicious extradimensional beings within the same timeline or by experiments at CERN.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mandela_effect

Goes to show who is the enemy of human awakening.
I personally don't care about recent changes in popular culture, but historical changes that go thousands of years such as Bible verses and Pharaoh masks mean timeline shifts are profound.

(I don't like to discuss "geographic changes" because the positions of Japan, Korea, NZ, etc., haven't changed, as far as I know. This will only fuel the "false memories" argument. I must admit, though, I thought Sri-Lanka or Ceylon was southwest of India.)

[Savannah]

Commonly held false memories
False memories can sometimes be shared by multiple people.[32][33] In 2010 this was dubbed the "Mandela Effect" by self-described "paranormal consultant" Fiona Broome, in reference to a false memory she reported of the death of South African leader Nelson Mandela in the 1980s (who was at the time still alive), which she claimed was shared by "perhaps thousands" of other people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory


The Mandela effect is the pseudoscientific belief that some differences between one's memories and the real world are caused by changes to past events in the timeline. Many Mandela effect believers believe it is caused by accidental travel between alternate universes, although some others propose that history has been deliberately altered after the fact by malicious extradimensional beings within the same timeline or by experiments at CERN.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mandela_effect

Goes to show who is the enemy of human awakening.
I personally don't care about recent changes in popular culture, but historical changes that go thousands of years such as Bible verses and Pharaoh masks mean timeline shifts are profound.

(I don't like to discuss "geographic changes" because the positions of Japan, Korea, NZ, etc., haven't changed, as far as I know. This will only fuel the "false memories" argument. I must admit, though, I thought Sri-Lanka or Ceylon was southwest of India.)

Read all the posts and the different threads on this topic. Read the research https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0pBgJY_76s7Vk1pcmVCQTlmdGs/view that ruled out false memory syndrome. When you say geography has not changed it's clear you have no idea what this is really about.

[Didgevillage]

Savannah,
I didn't say "geography has not changed."
I simply said I don't like to discuss it, because it can give the counter-arguments to Mandela effect more ammunition.
(Geography may have changed in some locations.)

[Keajran]

Something strange has happened for me regarding the Mandela effect. I've experienced a reversal of one of the previously reported changes. Yesterday while reading through this thread, I noticed that The Berentain Bears has flip flopped again. Let me begin from the beginning. I distinctly remember Berenstain from my childhood, and I even owned the books. Fast forward to the early 2000s, I think it was 2003 to be exact, I was in my early 20s, and I was reminiscing about this childhood book and went online to search for it. I was shocked to see it spelled as Berenstein all over the internet. I couldn't find a single instance of it spelled Berenstain. I had a really hard time accepting this. All those "E"s in the name just did not look right, and the thought that I and numerous others had been pronouncing it wrong did not sit well. I thought I was losing mind. I eventually forgot about this and moved on with my life. Fast forward again to early 2016. I became aware of the Mandela Effect and began researching it. I was floored to discover that The Berenstein bears were one of the known effects. At this time the consensus was still that Berenstein was the correct and current spelling and Berenstain was the mis-recollected version. A minority of people remembered Berenstain and I was part that group. I was very surprised that I had noticed this 13 years earlier and tried to think back to 2003 to see if I had noticed any other anomalies back then but nothing came to mind. I also remember some people on various forums mocking those who remembered it as Berenstain because it sounded so absurd to them. I made a determination to put Berenstain out of my head and to accept that it was now Berenstein.

Now imagine my surprise when I was perusing this thread yesterday, and discovered that the currently accepted version is now Berenstain. I feel like I'm losing my mind all over again! When the heck did this happen? I mean, I was obsessed with this particular Mandela effect back in 2003, and again in 2016 and I know without a shadow of a doubt what I saw, what I read, what I was thinking both those times, so what now?? None of the other effects seem to have changed back from what they were in 2016 that I've noticed, just Berenstain, but I haven't conducted a thorough investigation. Has anyone else had this experience or anything similar?

[Franny]

Very interesting and mind bending experience Kejaranhybrid. You are the first I have seen with this particular experience.

When I first heard of the Mandella Effect I called a friend with a bunch of kids, some still young, and asked her which was the correct spelling. She thought it was a bit odd but told me it was with the 'e'. So I asked her to go get one of the books and she was shocked to find the 'a' version on her shelves. She texted her older kids and they all remember the 'e' version.

I just looked and it's still the 'a' spelling.

I asked about Mandella and she remembers he died in jail. I remember his release from jail with much excitement and lots of celebration. Also people on the streets of NYC wearing t-shirts celebrating such.

There is a movie, Goodby Bafana, where a prison guard eventually befriends Mandella. One scene shows Mandella walking out of the prison, using original footage, while a great song plays in the background.

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I loved the song and have it in my collection.

[Forest Denizen]

I definitely remember the Berenstein Bears. My last name ends with the same six letters, nstein.

I also clearly remember at some point years later, seeing one of the books somewhere, either in a friend’s house or in a bookstore and noticing the spelling was Berenstain. I thought, “Hmm.. that’s funny..”

I also very clearly remember when Mandela appeared in the news as having been released from prison. I turned to my then-wife and she was looking at me with the same stunned expression. We both exclaimed at the same time something to the effect of, "But wait, I thought he died in prison!"

[BMJ]

Now the Mandela Effect is coming to you on the big screen enter the movie Yesterday. Looks like the man character jumped timelines.


Synopsis

Yesterday, everyone knew The Beatles. Today, only Jack remembers their songs. Jack Malik (Himesh Patel, BBC’s Eastenders) is a struggling singer-songwriter in a tiny English seaside town whose dreams of fame are rapidly fading, despite the fierce devotion and support of his childhood best friend, Ellie (Lily James, Mama Mia! Here We Go Again). Then, after a freak bus accident during a mysterious global blackout, Jack wakes up to discover that The Beatles have never existed … and he finds himself with a very complicated problem, indeed. With the door between his old life and his new closing, Jack will need to get back to where he once belonged and prove that all you need is love.


YESTERDAY
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Entertainment Access
Published on Feb 12, 2019
Watch the official trailer for Yesterday, a comedy movie starring Lily James and Ed Sheeran. In theaters June 27, 2019.

[ExomatrixTV]

The 'Mandela Effect' Goes Mainstream? ... Skeptics Calling it 'Science of False Memories' ... all of it?
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The Mandela Effect | Official HD Trailer (2019) | DRAMA | Film Threat Trailers
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Storyline: The Mandela Effect follows a man who becomes obsessed with facts and events that have been collectively misremembered by thousands of people. Believing the phenomena to be the symptom of something much larger, his obsession eventually leads him to question reality itself.

Taglines: Take a trip down memory lane. Genres: Drama (https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=drama&explore=title_type,genres&ref_=tt_ov_inf) | Sci-Fi (https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=sci-fi&explore=title_type,genres&ref_=tt_ov_inf) | Thriller (https://www.imdb.com/search/title?genres=thriller&explore=title_type,genres&ref_=tt_ov_inf)

Director: David Guy Levy (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1428946/?ref_=tt_ov_dr)
Writers: David Guy Levy (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1428946/?ref_=tt_ov_wr), Steffen Schlachtenhaufen (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0970125/?ref_=tt_ov_wr)
Stars: Charlie Hofheimer (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0389324/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm), Aleksa Palladino (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0657760/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm), Robin Lord Taylor (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2088699/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm) | See full cast & crew (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6544220/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm) »

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Trivia:

The idea came from the famous internet theory where people remember certain things that never happened in our history

The Mandela Effect is named after a phenomena in which a large number of people thoroughly believed South African leader Nelson Mandela had died in prison in the 1980s and were surprised to learn of his actual death in 2013. Other examples of mass misremembering have used the same moniker of The Mandela Effect, such as the spelling of The Berenstain/stein Bears or Jif vs Jiffy peanut butter.

Clarke Peters (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0676370), who portrays Dr. Roland Fuchs, played Nelson Mandela in the film Endgame (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1217616) (2009).

The Mandela Effect reunites David Guy Levy, Steffen Schlachtenhaufen, Joshua Freuhling, Josh Schaeffer, Geralyn Flood, Charlie Hofheimer, Robin Lord Taylor and Ptolemy Slocum, all of whom previously worked on Would You Rather.

Source: IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6544220/)




[quote]: "Hey Conspiracy Nuts, There's a Whole Mandela Effect Movie Now"

Do you have an uncle who has substituted going down internet conspiracy theory rabbit holes to such other activities as “getting outside once in a while” and “human interaction”? Then you’ll probably want to point them in the direction of their new favorite movie: The Mandela Effect. This indie sci-fi thriller, scheduled for limited release (mostly VOD, presumably) on Dec. 6, 2019, is using one of the web’s favorite “unexplained mysteries” as its source material.

The titular Mandela Effect is a name given to the wider phenomenon of commonly held false memories. Named after a false memory shared by a number of people that politician Nelson Mandela had passed away in the 1980s, it has also been applied in recent years to the fact that many people remember certain spelling’s differently—like the fact that The Berenstain Bears is often remembered as The Berenstein Bears. Explanations for the effect have ranged from simple cases of mistaken memory, to conspiracy theories that our reality is being manipulated by sinister outside forces. Certainly, this particular rabbit hole is popular among the “we’re all living in a simulation” crowd, and the internet folks who have a pathological need to feel like they’re part of a community with access to secret, forbidden knowledge.

The Mandela Effect feature film, then, confronts the phenomena by telling the story of a husband and wife who lose their daughter, only to spiral out of control when they start noticing the inconsistency of their memories of her. Starring Charlie Hofheimer and Aleska Palladino, it certainly seems to be positing the “simulation” explanation, with its programmer character realizing that if we’re all existing within a complex computer system, maybe he can just program his dead kid back to life. Right?

With production values that look on the amateurish side, The Mandela Effect will presumably be leaning on the dubious strength of its r/conspiracy-approved source material to get by. Still, there’s a certain corner of the internet that will feel very validated indeed by the existence of this film. Only … didn’t it used to be called The Mandela Affect? [unquote].

Source (https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/11/mandela-effect-movie-trailer-2019.html)

[ExomatrixTV]

Multiverse (Endless Parallel Universes Scientific Explained Here: )
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[conk]

So then, me and my friends all have false memories of seeing the James Bond movie and kidding about the huge guy with metal teeth, Jaws? We didn't actually laugh about Jaws getting his teeth caught in the pigtailed girl's braces if they kissed? That pigtailed girl who now has no braces?

And I also falsely remember my younger sister that couldn't say Mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest of them all? That she would say miwa, miwa on the wall? We falsely remembered, my whole family, joking about that and nick-naming her Miwa? And now the witch says Magic mirror on the wall?

If those are false memories, then I can't trust any thought I have!

[ExomatrixTV]

If you study (Ted talk) experts & insiders discussing what Quantum Computers really are & (Quantum A.I. really is) they openly admit it "taps" in to a Multiverse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse) (parallel universes).

If true, that could mean Quantum A.I. MAY alter the perception of collective human history (including scripture (http://mandelabiblechanges.com/index.php/videos/)!) ... but it can NOT alter our memories UNLESS you are so (deep) interwoven in their preferred matrix you are "merged" in their artificial time-line serving only their interests! ... Somehow they need us humans (Souls) like batteries for their "existence".

Our unlimited creative energy harvested via well manufactured deceptions when IF beLIEved & accepted they THRIVE on that, those who want to expose it are seen as threats taking away their "food source".

Maybe the only way out of this endless deceptions is to find a way that 1 time-line can serve all timelines where everybody wins ;)

Merging of Dimensions is the coming "Singularity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularitarianism)" ??? ... or is the Singularity the FALSE REALITY controlled by soulless Quantum A.I. seeking us and invite us in their "realm" to make it more "interesting"?

Cheers,
John Kuhles 27-11-2019


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[Patient]

Another way to look at this...if this occurred due to false memories, why did it happen around a certain time frame? Why isn't this constantly occurring?

Of course there will be someone who recalls something inaccurately, but this is a large group of people in a specific time frame experiencing the same discrepancies.

And one can not really argue about it because there are 2 groups who have different memories. You can really only support those people who are in the same position as you are.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I am a little disturbed, a little excited, a little confused all at the same time, owing to a sort of potential mandela effect phenomenon that I've recently experienced. So I watched this Star Wars related youtube video. In it, Frank Oz was featured. This man of a thousand voices was, as you will know, the voice of Kermit the Frog, and many other memorable characters - one of them was Yoda in the Star Wars films. To say I was a bit shocked is an understatement. I was absolutely thoroughly convinced that Frank Oz was dead. I mean dead dead. Thoroughly, 100%. Because I clearly recall the memory of sadness I once had, maybe 10 years ago or more, when I heard of his passing. I remember thinking, 'well that's the end of Yoda, if they ever do another Star Wars they're going to need a very good impersonator'. As it turns out, he's still alive and well. And I just cannot believe it. I heard it announced that he was dead - years ago!

And there's more.

At this time of year, we have the inevitable 'in memory of' segment on the news, a run-down of all those (celebs) that have died during the year. Several of these celebrity names I also had to do a double-take. I mean seriously, what the hell. Because some of them I was quite convinced were already dead. In fact long dead. One was Windsor Davies (those outside the UK won't know him). But this very famous comedy actor was a big name in the UK in the 70s and 80s, and I could've sworn he died probably 20 years ago. But no, he died in 2019.

Of course, all this is just my (possibly) distorted perception. But I could not help but feel really, really surprised, and as I said, disturbed, excited, shocked, confused... And it's not just "I thought he was dead", particularly of Frank Oz, it's much more "I remember him being dead."

I really don't understand this phenomenon.

[BoR]

A month ago I recorded this podcast with visual images, where I present some hard evidence for the Mandela Effect. Some are drawings for very serious purposes, others are actual photographic evidence. Enjoy!

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I also recommend one of the follow-up's where I go into the faulty logic of the arguments people use to discredit the Mandela Effect:

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[seehas]

Something about the JFK Assasination is not leaving me alone, if you see the "new" footage its impossible not to investigate in Jackie Kennedy as a suspect for the murder, she is moving very weird in the car and in some frames its even possible to see the bullet leave the skull.


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other interesting facts:

- jackie didnt take off the bloody dress after the assasination
"By showing up in her bloody outfit, she reminded everyone there, and everyone who would later see photos from the ceremony, of the slain president."

- the dress is locked away in the national archives
"In 2003, her sister signed a deed of gift, with the provision that the suit be preserved but not displayed publicly until at least 2103, so as not to "in any way to dishonor the memory of the late President or cause unnecessary grief or suffering to members of his family.""

what is so important about the dress? if jackie shot jfk from close up, traces of gunpowder will be found on the dress.

i did some research about this and somehow jackie kennedy was never part of any possible scenarios, the first thing i found was a youtube video from 2008 and this had to do with the mandela effect and jfk, the guy seemed to be the first one to point out that jackie has to be a possible suspect in this case.

did anyone here ever heard about jackie kennedy beeing a suspect before 2008?

[seehas]

Im not sure if this was posted already on PA, The Mandela Effect Conference -

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[BoR]

Yes, these presentations from the conference are great! Last week I interviewed Cynthia Sue Larson and we had a very nice and quite deep talk about Reality Shifts:

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[Sue (Ayt)]

Not sure if this one was mentioned, but I clearly remember the many books by Danielle Steele. Although I never read any, she was quite popular and wrote scads of romance novels. My mother and sister were avid readers. I would often see her books on display.
She is now Danielle Steel, with no e at the end. Everyone I asked so far, spells her name with Steele.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Im not sure if this was posted already on PA, The Mandela Effect Conference -

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The bible quote change in this video (at 19:35) about "when two or more are gathered" changing to "two or three"... Well, I was curious to see if it had also changed in the song that was played at my wedding, written by Paul Stookey of Peter, Paul, and Mary, so I looked up the lyrics. It had not.


Wedding Song (There Is Love)
Noel Paul Stookey
He is now to be among you at the calling of your hearts
Rest assured this troubadour is acting on His part
The union of your spirits here has caused Him to remain
For whenever two or more of you are gathered in His name
There is love, there is love

[Gracy]

Not sure if this one was mentioned, but I clearly remember the many books by Danielle Steele. Although I never read any, she was quite popular and wrote scads of romance novels. My mother and sister were avid readers. I would often see her books on display.
She is now Danielle Steel, with no e at the end. Everyone I asked so far, spells her name with Steele.

It did indeed used to be spelled Steele, with the third e at the end. This was interesting:
https://medium.com/t/@nathanielhebert/danielle-steele-values-ed177c96c8c8

And as of 2015 anyway, ABC News had it as Steele.
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/surprising-things-danielle-steele/story?id=29271919

Here's just a guess at a possible more mundane explanation. Psychic Sylvia Browne (now deceased) was born as Brown with no e at the end, but later changed it by adding the e because she thought it made her name stand out more. Might Danielle Steel/e have done a similar thing in her later years, something a little quirky?

[BMJ]

She is now Danielle Steel, with no e at the end. Everyone I asked so far, spells her name with Steele.

Often saw here novels in book stores and yes I agree it was SteelE.

I wonder with the mandela effect if it is possible that one event is having a butterfly effect causing a ripple of minor seemingly unrelated changes.

This mandela effect is proving one thing most definitely and that is our reality that we perceive as consistent is in fact malleable/fluid for want of a better term to describe this, and you need to remain calm when faced with this fact.

[seehas]

She is now Danielle Steel, with no e at the end. Everyone I asked so far, spells her name with Steele.

Often saw here novels in book stores and yes I agree it was SteelE.

I wonder with the mandela effect if it is possible that one event is having a butterfly effect causing a ripple of minor seemingly unrelated changes.

This mandela effect is proving one thing most definitely and that is our reality that we perceive as consistent is in fact malleable/fluid for want of a better term to describe this, and you need to remain calm when faced with this fact.

i was thinking about dimensions and other timelines but at the moment the "simulation" theory is what makes most sense to me, how is it possible there are changes and no one ever questions something the only one that does is someone having a mandela effect? doesnt make sense in timeslines, if its a simulation and 90% of the population are part of it anyway it does make sense.


for example, for me the kennedy assasination was allways a car with 4 people now everything is different even the camera quality and angle - in this "reality" there was no theorie jackie beeing the assasin until 2008 someone that had a "mandela effect" made a video about it -

dolores cannon was speaking about the "backdrop people" u walk into a mall full of people these people wouldnt be there if u dont go there because they are part of the simulation.

[Rawhide68]

I just discovered a new "Mandela effect" or am I slowly going senile?

As a a big fan of old western films like The Good, The bad & The Ugly (1966)
I stumbeled of a trailer for the movie:


According to this trailer from back then.

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi3416964889?playlistId=tt0060196&ref_=tt_pr_ov_vi


The God ="Blondie" played by Clint Eastwood.
The Bad = "Tuco" played by Eli Wallach
The Ugly = "Angel eyes" played by Lee Van Cleef



In MY world and in my memory Its like this

The God = "Blondie" played by Clint Eastwood.
The Bad = "Angel eyes" played by Lee Van Cleef
The Ugly = "Tuco" played by Eli Wallach

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060196/mediaviewer/rm3188773120


Am I just loosing my mind, or what's going on here?
:HELP!

PS: IMDM:Blondie (The Good) (Clint Eastwood) is a professional gunslinger who is out trying to earn a few dollars. Angel Eyes (The Bad) (Lee Van Cleef) is a hitman who always commits to a task and sees it through, as long as he is paid to do so. And Tuco (The Ugly) (Eli Wallach) is a wanted outlaw trying to take care of his own hide.

So this official trailer they could't keep track on who is who?
I hope this is the explanation.


Trailer narrator says it 2 times 00:19, then again 01:29 - 01:31
https://www.imdb.com/video/vi3416964889?playlistId=tt0060196&ref_=tt_pr_ov_vi

[Jake]

Memories are not physical. They are flexible. Although, I don't really think it's a memory thing. The one that got me was the one in the Bible. I VERY CLEARLY remember researching and giving a small talk in Sunday school about the LION laying down with the lamb. It was NEVER a Wolf. I show this one to folks and they think I'm the devil...

Yes this is a strange discussion. I have to make it stranger... (I can't help it)

Dream memory. ... ... Have you ever had a dream where you were trying to Remember something? Or had a change to remember something in a dream? If I'm dreaming about,, say,, being at a barbecue,,, later in the dream sequence I might be reminded of the BBQ by seeing an empty plate or something. The memory (in the dream) will only be quick and vague. I will not readily recall the events of the BBQ. They are 'imprinted' as they are not important in a fluid dream type setting. Trying to remember what happened at the BBQ is only successful AFTER YOU WAKE UP.

What this tells me is that we are not experiencing timeline shifts, or problems with our collective memories,,, rather, we are stuck in a dream.

Think about it. HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE DREAMING UNTIL YOU WAKE UP??

Take a second. Stop and look around. How can you be sure that you are not dreaming? If you are deep in a dream,,, you never really know it.

Trying to remember things while dreaming is a mixed bag. The Mandela Effect may just be a sign that we are waking from this dream...

Cheers, Jake.

[Ernie Nemeth]

In fact, life is the primary dream, dreaming in sleep is secondary.

We went to sleep long ago and forgot to wake up, or are unable to...many, many generations ago

[Jake]

So, I posted my thoughts above based on my experiences and analysis of my experiences. I had not yet watched the vids posted about the Mandela Effect conference. The CEO of that company and I have come to the same conclusion about reality... MERRILY MERRILY MERRILY...

LIFE is BUT A DREAM...

JAKE...

[Rawhide68]

Thanks for your thoughts here Jake

To start with I do not agree that all meomories are flexible, not strong memories at least.
The way I look at memories are like stamps in your mind to let you go further.(from one point to the next).

If you mean memories are flexible as what did I do 10 years ago on a boring Monday, I have no idea.

Things in life that are mindboggeling, they are memories that are important.
They don't happen often, in my case I have had 4. Most people have had none.

I remember asking my mom, who is very religios about the lion laying down with the lamb. Wich was of my knowledge from her as a little child.

She said, no ! There was allways the wolf llaying down with the lamb. (WTF!)

The day after I went to office as usual. Asked a friend about SnowWhite "mirror mirror on the wall" and thanks God he replyed that was what he was remembering too. That is Not "MAGIC mirror on the wall".

But as you know it's now "magic" mirror on the wall.

Check my previous post about the James Bond film disappering braces, wich is my nr 1 proof of the Mandela Effect.

[Patient]

I also recall pictures/paintings of the lion and the lamb.

The Bond film is a great example because the way it is now, the final scene just doesn't make sense. A production of that level would not make an ending scene that makes no sense.

[enfoldedblue]

I wrote a children's story back in the 90s based on the lion and lamb laying together. Thalan the Lion hated Sariah the lamb...and Sariah was terrified of the lion. But in the end they find peace together. So in my world it was definitely the lion and the lamb.The wolf and lamb would he a more obvious pairing...but I chose lion due to symbolism of the old story.
For me this is the one thing that I am very sure is not just faulty memory.

[Jake]

Thanks for your thoughts here Jake

To start with I do not agree that all meomories are flexible, not strong memories at least.
The way I look at memories are like stamps in your mind to let you go further.(from one point to the next).

If you mean memories are flexible as what did I do 10 years ago on a boring Monday, I have no idea.

Things in life that are mindboggeling, they are memories that are important.
They don't happen often, in my case I have had 4. Most people have had none.

I remember asking my mom, who is very religios about the lion laying down with the lamb. Wich was of my knowledge from her as a little child.

She said, no ! There was allways the wolf llaying down with the lamb. (WTF!)

The day after I went to office as usual. Asked a friend about SnowWhite "mirror mirror on the wall" and thanks God he replyed that was what he was remembering too. That is Not "MAGIC mirror on the wall".

But as you know it's now "magic" mirror on the wall.

Check my previous post about the James Bond film disappering braces, wich is my nr 1 proof of the Mandela Effect.

I'm gonna check out the Bond flick. My dad is a major Bond fan,, he'd be interested too..

Also, I didn't say memories are flexible. I said that they're not Physical. As in,, they are not bits of information stored in our brains. They are non-physical, energetic components of our consciousness. One cannot remember everything all at once, at least not in the physical. There are plenty of transcendental experiences where you become ONE with ALLTHATIS... Though, not in the physical. Becoming one with universal awareness is simply a shift in consciousness to the energetic aspects of self,,, and that is where our memories are. There are no borders or boundaries outside of the physical,,, therefore remembering things is,,,, well,,, different.

JAKE

[Rawhide68]

I can hardly speak.
I'm a meek

""While quantum Hall materials were discovered in the '80s, they continue to reveal their fascinating secrets to this day," said Simon. "The final frontier is exploring the interplay of these beautiful materials with the curvature of space. That is what we've begun to explore with our photons."

I agree with that.

[Did You See Them]

Watched Moonraker yesterday.
The joke "connection" between Dolly and Jaws just does not work without her braces !
Like most I remember it vividly and this is my number one mandala that most are aware of.
Before internet took off in the 90's my friend and I noticed one regarding Winnie Johnston, mother of Keith Bennet of Moors murder Infamy. We both saw an interview with her one evening on Look North West regional news regarding Brady supposedly about to go up to the moors to show area Keith was. We were stunned - we had seen her death from cancer announced about a year before and remember commenting that she had gone to her grave without closure.
We speculated as to what was going on and thought a possible trial psy op - we tried to speculate to what end.
We decided that in a given area a false narrative could be broadcast and then its take up monitored through something like pub quizzes etc. Its all very strange.
Back to Dollys braces - why would a german TV advert then put her in braces if that was not in character ?

[sunwings]

The next train will be delayed

MMDE: Bologna station clock stopped for 16 years from 1980

Current: The Bologna station clock worked properly from 1980

A Mandela Effect from the 1980's has been identified.

This is an early example of a scientifically-studied instance of the Mass Memory Discrepancy Effect, of which the Mandela Effect is a sub class.

The background is that after the tragic atrocity of the Bologna Centrale station bombing, the blast stopped the clock at 10.25am on Aug 2nd, 1980. Many photographs were taken of it at this moment and used as a symbol when reporting the story. It was quickly repaired and worked normally from then on. However, it broke in 1996 and, as an act of remembrance, it's hands were set to 10.25am and it was not repaired.

A team of Italian psychologists, Stefania de Vitoa, Roberto Cubellib, and Sergio Della Sala then decided to study the false memory phenomenon and found most people thought the clock had been stopped for the entire 16 years since the explosion. This includes staff actually working at the station during this time, and many travellers would have seen and relied on it daily during this period.

There was no term for the MMDE at this time, but it sounds to many like the early documentation of a Mandela Effect, or large-scale alternative memory situation.

https://cdn1.alternatememories.com/images/intro/general/xstopped-clock-bologna_300x300.jpg.pagespeed.ic.azx6jZTBnT.jpg

https://www.alternatememories.com/historical-events/general/the-stopped-clock-of-bologna

[sunwings]

https://mandelaeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Chartreuse2R-200x300.jpg

People remember it being a reddish colour!

But now it is a Greenish colour?

I cannot comment but maybe some people here remember it being a reddish colour????

[Bill Ryan]

https://mandelaeffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Chartreuse2R-200x300.jpg

People remember it being a reddish colour!

But now it is a Greenish colour?

I cannot comment but maybe some people here remember it being a reddish colour????Wow. My immediate reaction was I'd thought it was reddish, too. But on second thoughts, I might have been thinking of cerise (which definitely IS reddish :) ). The names are somewhat similar.

[Gwin Ru]

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[Journeyman]

Mandela Effect | Possible "real world" residue of the old Ford logo?
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Show's a real world ford logo of the style that I know in this time line. But also as suggested if the ford logo is a neater copy of Henry Ford's signature than it is incorrect because he never had the pig's tail on the F.


I recall the Ford logo without the 'pigs tail' which incidentally looks like a Q.

I am getting more of these Mandela effects over time. Maps look to change subtle and not so subtle. The Moonraker scene quoted earlier in the thread is something I remember very well and the girl definitely had braces, that was the entire gag.

In my head I have 2012/13 as a critical point. Things seemed very different after that.

[I am B]

Thanks for your thoughts here Jake

To start with I do not agree that all meomories are flexible, not strong memories at least.
The way I look at memories are like stamps in your mind to let you go further.(from one point to the next).

If you mean memories are flexible as what did I do 10 years ago on a boring Monday, I have no idea.

Things in life that are mindboggeling, they are memories that are important.
They don't happen often, in my case I have had 4. Most people have had none.

I remember asking my mom, who is very religios about the lion laying down with the lamb. Wich was of my knowledge from her as a little child.

She said, no ! There was allways the wolf llaying down with the lamb. (WTF!)

The day after I went to office as usual. Asked a friend about SnowWhite "mirror mirror on the wall" and thanks God he replyed that was what he was remembering too. That is Not "MAGIC mirror on the wall".

But as you know it's now "magic" mirror on the wall.

Check my previous post about the James Bond film disappering braces, wich is my nr 1 proof of the Mandela Effect.

I've discussed a few times already the "magic mirror/mirror mirror" one. This is the settling argument for me: (preety cool song and band btw)

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[Inversion]

Some people remember Franklin Delano Roosevelt's middle name being Delanor. I recall it as Delanor.
Mandela Effect (https://mandela-effect.fandom.com/wiki/FDR%27s_Middle_Name...)

Franklin D. Roosevelt was a very historically important figure and served as America's 32nd president. His name is often shortened to FDR, but what does the D stand for?... Most people, me included, remember his full name being Franklin Delanor Roosevelt, but in reality it has apparently always been Franklin Delano Roosevelt. What do you remember?

Occurrences of Delano on PA: Link (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=23500320&pp=)
Occurrences of Delanor on PA: Zero

[Patient]

Mandela Effect | Possible "real world" residue of the old Ford logo?
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Show's a real world ford logo of the style that I know in this time line. But also as suggested if the ford logo is a neater copy of Henry Ford's signature than it is incorrect because he never had the pig's tail on the F.


I recall the Ford logo without the 'pigs tail' which incidentally looks like a Q.

I am getting more of these Mandela effects over time. Maps look to change subtle and not so subtle. The Moonraker scene quoted earlier in the thread is something I remember very well and the girl definitely had braces, that was the entire gag.

In my head I have 2012/13 as a critical point. Things seemed very different after that.

One of the things that I find very interesting is that there are a percentage (I have no idea how much) of people that are affected. Why and how did this happen to a specific group/type of people? We all share the same ones - the Ford logo, Moonraker, the Lion and the Lamb, etc. My immediate family all share the same memories - at least those old enough to recall certain ones.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Some people remember Franklin Delano Roosevelt's middle name being Delanor. I recall it as Delanor.
Mandela Effect (https://mandela-effect.fandom.com/wiki/FDR%27s_Middle_Name...)

Franklin D. Roosevelt was a very historically important figure and served as America's 32nd president. His name is often shortened to FDR, but what does the D stand for?... Most people, me included, remember his full name being Franklin Delanor Roosevelt, but in reality it has apparently always been Franklin Delano Roosevelt. What do you remember?

Occurrences of Delano on PA: Link (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?searchid=23500320&pp=)
Occurrences of Delanor on PA: Zero

Well, my suspicion on this one is that people have jumbled up Franklin, and his wife Eleanor Roosevelt, when recalling his middle name.
I clearly remember his name being Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and his wife being Eleanor.

[jimbobule]

Can anyone cast light on this? I experienced what seemed like a glitch a few weeks ago. Back story. Was returning from a fishing trip to a regular haunt in the countryside away from everyone, to get some peace.

In the car on the return journey, there is a series of 5 roundabouts about half a mile apart. As I approached roundabout two I was in the outside lane and a VW car was behind me.

I went over the roundabout and was half way down the road, about parallel where my sister lives 100 metres to the right of the dualled carriageway (and also the same street of my grandparents when they were alive).

Then I got this super weird instant sensation that I had been 'reset' to travel down that stretch of road again and sure enough I did it TWICE and checking my rear view it was a DIFFERENT car behind, a Toyota I think, still travelling in the outside lane.

Overall impression was slightly disorientating as I was expecting to reach the NEXT roundabout in the chain and suddenly was aware I was travelling on the same stretch of road again.

The remarkable thing was that the change-over seemed to happen at the location with closest resonance to other members of my family.

Hope that makes sense. I have never experienced that sensation before.

[Bill Ryan]

Can anyone cast light on this? I experienced what seemed like a glitch a few weeks ago. Back story. Was returning from a fishing trip to a regular haunt in the countryside away from everyone, to get some peace.
Welcome to the forum! :sun:

And do see this most interesting thread:


Time Shifts & Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips)

[Manasaki]

Now you mention it, had a weird feeling that week (first week of August 2021)! It felt over long, like we'd had an extra day. I sometimes feel time glitches. I don't know if it is timeline shifts natural or deliberate, or a side effect of time travel.

Mandela Effect.... The James Bond movie where Jaws meets the girl with no braces on her teeth and they smile and their smiles don't match anymore, so it is less funny now?

I remember her wearing Braces and that being the point of the humour. Her silver teeth matched his. I have checked my own copy of the movie, and the braces are gone!

[Bill Ryan]

The James Bond movie where Jaws meets the girl with no braces on her teeth and they smile and their smiles don't match anymore, so it is less funny now?

I remember her wearing Braces and that being the point of the humour. Her silver teeth matched his. I have checked my own copy of the movie, and the braces are gone!Moonraker, Yes. This was the critical tipping point for me personally that caused me to be 100% certain that something highly strange had happened.

It was an old movie (1979), but I'd downloaded and watched it relatively recently, just before the Mandela Effect reports started flooding in. And Dolly (the girl featured) absolutely had braces. It was a cute, funny little connection with 'Jaws' that everyone remembered.

And I wasn't remembering it dimly from back in 1979. It was just about a year or so earlier, no more than that.

I'd had the movie archived on a disk that was sitting in a drawer totally unconnected to the net. When the reports that Dolly had lost her braces started being posted, I immediately dug it out to check my own copy again. And sure enough, it had changed.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

And sure enough, it had changed.

In the very beginning I too was convinced that something had changed - that she had originally been wearing braces. But now a much more prosaic explanation seems more likely (far more likely).

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When the content creator's daughter who had never seen Moonraker before is asked at the end, "did Jaws's girlfriend have braces on her teeth?’" She doesn't respond with "No" as you would expect from someone who never saw the film in 1979 or at any time since, making her immune to the Mandela Effect. Instead she replies, "I think so, but not sure."

What could possibly give rise to her uncertainty? What suggested to her that Dolly may have been wearing braces?

I agree with the video, and strongly suspect that perception, on a sub-conscious level, is being subtly reinforced by misleading observational cues, leading one to believe in something that simply isn't there.

When we later hear the statement that Dolly was wearing braces (a very logical assumption), our minds default to that mental image. We form the juxtaposition with Jaws and automatically agree with it. False memories can be very persuasive when the power of suggestion is strong. In the case of Jaws's super-sized braces, it isn't surprising this myth endures like it does.

Our beliefs are further strengthened by Memory Conformity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_conformity), described as, "a situation in which one person's report of a memory influences another person's report of that same experience".

Human perception is extremely easy to fool (as we so VERY well know).

[lake]

Moonraker, Yes. This was the critical tipping point for me personally that caused me to be 100% certain that something highly strange had happened.

It was an old movie (1979), but I'd downloaded and watched it relatively recently, just before the Mandela Effect reports started flooding in. And Dolly (the girl featured) absolutely had braces. It was a cute, funny little connection with 'Jaws' that everyone remembered.

And I wasn't remembering it dimly from back in 1979. It was just about a year or so earlier, no more than that.

I'd had the movie archived on a disk that was sitting in a drawer totally unconnected to the net. When the reports that Dolly had lost her braces started being posted, I immediately dug it out to check my own copy again. And sure enough, it had changed.

She did have braces .... or as I recall she did and it was the whole point of the scene.

There was a digital graphics, image guy that made a web page about it but that short page, with very large gif images (at the time) disappeared ....

[Patient]

Also, there was an advertisement in Europe (can not remember which country) where the guy who played jaws in the movie goes into a bank and the teller smiles at him and she is wearing braces. (this was pointed out for those people who say that she never had braces)

@Star Mariner - she did have braces. Without the braces now, the scene doesn't really make any sense.

For those of us who experienced the changes, we know the changes occurred. If you are one of the people that didn't experience the changes, there is no way to convince you because you did not experience the changes.

For me. one of the perplexing things is why only some of us and not everyone?

[Vicus]

"And I wasn't remembering it dimly from back in 1979. It was just about a year or so earlier, no more than that."

posted by Bill Ryan



Same for me...I watch James Bond movies here und there...one night watched all movies where the sets where make by Ken Adam (Berliner).

That was after visiting his permanent exposition in Berlin, were he donate all blueprints (all movies with Sean Connery and 2 or 3 with Roger Moore) and..." DR. Strangelove how I learn to love the Bomb " or something like that...

Watching "Moonraker" hit me hard...for the same Braces reason (???)


We live now in another timeline...hopefully the best one for us... :cocktail:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Adam

https://jamesbond007.se/eng/event/utstallning_av_ken_adams_arbete_i_berlin

[Sirus]

She absolutely had braces. No question.

[Cognitive Dissident]

The James Bond movie where Jaws meets the girl with no braces on her teeth and they smile and their smiles don't match anymore, so it is less funny now?

I remember her wearing Braces and that being the point of the humour. Her silver teeth matched his. I have checked my own copy of the movie, and the braces are gone!Moonraker, Yes. This was the critical tipping point for me personally that caused me to be 100% certain that something highly strange had happened.

It was an old movie (1979), but I'd downloaded and watched it relatively recently, just before the Mandela Effect reports started flooding in. And Dolly (the girl featured) absolutely had braces. It was a cute, funny little connection with 'Jaws' that everyone remembered.

And I wasn't remembering it dimly from back in 1979. It was just about a year or so earlier, no more than that.

I'd had the movie archived on a disk that was sitting in a drawer totally unconnected to the net. When the reports that Dolly had lost her braces started being posted, I immediately dug it out to check my own copy again. And sure enough, it had changed.

I did not realise, but this is a thing on the internet. Bill, does your disk copy of Moonraker show Dolly having braces (which I remember from when I watched the movie back in the day)? Can you take a screenshot of Dolly with braces?

Seems really weird that so many people remember her with braces. I don't think that many people watched that Finnish advert.

[Jamie]

I have to agree with others here that I 100% remember that Dolly had pigtails & BRACES. It was the whole point of the scenes in Moonraker...Jaws & Mini Jaws.

I remember this Bond film so vividly because I was so scared of Jaws as a child, but this film stopped that fear, as I completely saw jaws differently for his love of Dolly.
When a kid is scared for some reason, and they're no longer afraid (in my case, due to this film for me), they remember it, heck I remember my relieve at 'Jaws' being human, and in love with this braces wearing woman. She had braces, and jaws became a good guy from his love for her.

The weird thing is if you look at the current scenes of Dolly without braces, she is overly expressing her smile...just as if she is trying to 'show off' her teeth.
Why would you smile so wide...so hard, unless there was a point.
What I remember is the point was to display those gnashers with the braces on them!

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, does your disk copy of Moonraker show Dolly having braces (which I remember from when I watched the movie back in the day)? Can you take a screenshot of Dolly with braces?No, my archived offline copy didn't show Dolly with braces. That was the whole interesting point. It had changed, while untouched and all on its own in my drawer.

It hadn't been somehow digitally altered remotely. All of reality had changed regarding that tiny detail, including all the history of the detail anywhere.

But memories were NOT so altered, because memories don't exist entirely in the 4D space-time universe. It's only the physical world that changed, leaving people's memories as they always were.

[Gwin Ru]

...

... well... SOMETHING was altered... if not the recorded media, then it was the perception of first viewing that got manipulated. That would be a wholesale mind control op... a sort of enforced collective hypnotic pareidolia!

[Gracy]

Well I’ll just chime in here as well that yes, absolutely she had braces, there’s no mistaking it. That was the whole point of the scene and why her and Jaws were a natural match!

[AuCo]

Well I’ll just chime in here as well that yes, absolutely she had braces, there’s no mistaking it. That was the whole point of the scene and why her and Jaws were a natural match!

My thought exactly. My English was bare minimum when I saw this movie. Jaws did not talk much and my interpretation of the movie based mostly on the actions. And yes indeed, her braces gave me such clue.

[Nasu]

I wonder if the actress who played Dolly, Blanche Ravalec, is still alive or not? Or members of the crew who made the film? Surely they would confirm that she wore braces in the original. I too remember it well. As Gracy mentioned, the fact that she wore braces was a plot point to show why she fell in love with Jaws....x.... N

[TomKat]

Before the 2020 US election, virtually all psychics said that Trump would win. I went to bed with that assumption, but woke up in a different timeline where Biden had "won" (by cheating). I figured my higher self wanted me in this timeline for some reason. As it says in Seth Speaks, we do this all the time.

[Vicus]

Right now I got a weird feeling...I just posted yesterday about this topic. I though " well it is somehow cute that avolonias posted about

something that for me is history"...Then today keep growing interest ...


there is a very long line from podcasts dated 2017 from john Lamb Lash , that was my highlights for months...


https://archive.org/details/MANDELA_EFFECT_DECODED


In short format from 14.05.2021


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rsl6__pzAo


watch for yourself...I do prefer not elaborate further... :sherlock:

[JackWhite]

This is when a large number of people have equally conflicting memories. For example: when you were little, you and your friends only ate strawberry ice cream. And this memory coincides with you (you and your friends are sure that all your childhood they ate strawberry ice cream). And then it turns out that this is not true. And all your childhood you ate only vanilla ice cream, there are even photos. This is the Mandela effect.

I learned about this for the first time from tik-tok:ROFL:

[Eva2]

Think this could be classified as a mandela effect "event". About a week or so ago, I was watching TV featuring the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. The "program" was focused on the jury returning with a verdict. I watched Kyle Rittenhouse anxiously waiting and finally the jury returned with the verdict which was "not guilty" as we now know. However, this happened about a week ago? I was speaking with someone the next day after the jury verdict and, of course, this person was puzzled when I mentioned the verdict had come in, etc. Things got very confusing for me since I was seeing excerpts of the trial playing out on TV but I thought these were playbacks from a day or so ago. Finally yesterday I was speaking with the same person about the verdict and mentioned I kept seeing the "repeats" on TV over the past week but it seemed like they were playing out in "live" time since I was so positive I had already seen the actual verdict and the reactions, etc. of the players in the courtroom. Anyway, today I saw an online Epoch Times article stating that the verdict had come in that day and it was a not guilty verdict. Of course, I watched the video they included in the article and it played out exactly as I had seen it a week ago - it was a replay of exactly what I had already seen in the courtroom just before and after the verdict was read. So, not sure if this is a big deja vu, time loop or an example of the mandela effect - all very interesting.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/kyle-rittenhouse-acquitted-on-all-counts_4113953.html?utm_content=News_Kyle_Rittenhouse_Acquitted?utm_medium=email_BN&utm_source=newsnoe&utm_campaign=EET_BreakingNews_11-19-2021-noe-Canada-free-sub-1&est=sjspeechly%40yahoo.ca

[Delight]

OK, this one is new to me.
"If you build it "he" will come"

That does not make sense (just as the lack of braces made no sense). You cannot have a baseball game without a whole team.

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[Orph]

OK, this one is new to me.
"If you build it "he" will come"

That does not make sense (just as the lack of braces made no sense). You cannot have a baseball game without a whole team.


It was always "If you build it HE will come." ... Always.

Ray Kinsella (Kevin Costner), had a rocky relationship with his father. Ray's dad died before Ray could ever say he was sorry. So, one day, in the cornfield Ray heard "If you build it, 'he' will come". Meaning Ray's father will come. And he did. At the end of the movie, Ray finally got to play catch with his father. Ray also heard the phrase "Ease his pain". That also referred to his father. The whole movie was about a father and son reconnecting and letting go of the pain of their past.

All the rest of the stuff about the White Sox, Shoe-less Joe Jackson, all the rest of the players and games that ensued, and even the character Terrence Mann, ........ all of that was just filler to make the story more interesting. The real reason for building the baseball field was for the sake of his father. (Although the character "Ray Kinsella" wasn't aware of that until the end).

[Delight]

OK, this one is new to me.
"If you build it "he" will come"

That does not make sense (just as the lack of braces made no sense). You cannot have a baseball game without a whole team.


It was always "If you build it HE will come." ... Always.

Ray Kinsella (Kevin Costner), had a rocky relationship with his father. Ray's dad died before Ray could ever say he was sorry. So, one day, in the cornfield Ray heard "If you build it, 'he' will come". Meaning Ray's father will come. And he did. At the end of the movie, Ray finally got to play catch with his father. Ray also heard the phrase "Ease his pain". That also referred to his father. The whole movie was about a father and son reconnecting and letting go of the pain of their past.

All the rest of the stuff about the White Sox, Shoe-less Joe Jackson, all the rest of the players and games that ensued, and even the character Terrence Mann, ........ all of that was just filler to make the story more interesting. The real reason for building the baseball field was for the sake of his father. (Although the character "Ray Kinsella" wasn't aware of that until the end).

Oh thanks, I appreciate the clarification.

[JackMcThorn]

This is a strange one. I remember this video from before with Blondie's heels didn't cover her ankles and now they do.



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[Inversion]

I recall seeing an image of pillars (3-4) on the Giza plateau not far from the pyramids in The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life vol. 1 or 2. I went through both books twice and couldn't locate it. It was to denote the start of the Fibonacci spiral that runs through all three pyramids.

Link (https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/fibonacci-sequence.html)

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765, 10946, 17711, 28657, 46368, 75025, 121393, 196418, 317811, ...

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[DNA]

I recall seeing an image of pillars (3-4) on the Giza plateau not far from the pyramids in The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life vol. 1 or 2. I went through both books twice and couldn't locate it. It was to denote the start of the Fibonacci spiral that runs through all three pyramids.

Link (https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/fibonacci-sequence.html)

0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765, 10946, 17711, 28657, 46368, 75025, 121393, 196418, 317811, ...

48170

Funny story.
It was 95 and I was dating this girl who kept name dropping the guy she worked as a nanny for. She made me read this book by Bob Frissel called "nothing in this book is true but it's exactly the way it is", so I would know this guy was a big deal. She then went on about a famous rock band singer studying with him. Still whatever. That being said in 2005 synchronicity of the most persistent nature led me to befriend a dying woman who gave me "the flower of life". After reading it I realized who the rock singer was alluded to by my 95 nanny friend. And the man my friend had been a nanny for was Drunvellow Melchizedek.

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[iota]

OK, this one is new to me.
"If you build it "he" will come"

That does not make sense (just as the lack of braces made no sense). You cannot have a baseball game without a whole team.


It was always "If you build it HE will come." ... Always.

Ray Kinsella (Kevin Costner), had a rocky relationship with his father. Ray's dad died before Ray could ever say he was sorry. So, one day, in the cornfield Ray heard "If you build it, 'he' will come". Meaning Ray's father will come. And he did. At the end of the movie, Ray finally got to play catch with his father. Ray also heard the phrase "Ease his pain". That also referred to his father. The whole movie was about a father and son reconnecting and letting go of the pain of their past.

All the rest of the stuff about the White Sox, Shoe-less Joe Jackson, all the rest of the players and games that ensued, and even the character Terrence Mann, ........ all of that was just filler to make the story more interesting. The real reason for building the baseball field was for the sake of his father. (Although the character "Ray Kinsella" wasn't aware of that until the end).

Oh thanks, I appreciate the clarification.

no it was NOT

it was "if you build it THEY will come"

it is ONLY "if you build it HE will come"

for people from THIS timeline

the one that is NOT the Sag timeline with our yellow sun where people were kind and good and nice

somehow we are here .. in THEIR Orion timeline ...

where there is NO tolerance nor respect and the sun is blinding hot white

and they have the nerve to tell grown adults what their memories are or are not

sadly, engaging with them is seldom a pleasant experience

it is also the timeline where being born with a male organ does NOT automatically make you a male

:facepalm:

so i seriously would NOT put too much stock on what they are adamant about

bascially, a really screwed up timeline ...

i believe we are their last bit of hope

here is James Earl Jones explaining to Ray how PEOPLE (plural) WILL come


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not that it matters, because even physical possessions are "changed" in this timeline

i've had Bible verses changed in my childhood Bible that i've had since i was baptized at age 12

these were verses that were most cherished and the earliest foundation of my faith

verses that were engraved in my heart, not just memory, and so they will remain there eternally

irrespective of ANYONE even standing on their head to say otherwise


https://c.tenor.com/8DxYcrLiGJUAAAAd/field-of-dreams-baseball.gif


D ... hold fast to your memories ... trust in them more than physicality or the words of another

you KNOW what you KNOW

and the test is to NEVER allow anyone to rob you of it

there are millions of us here with you ... and we ALL remember as you do

take comfort dear friend, that you are NOT alone

:flower:

[Patient]

OK, this one is new to me.
"If you build it "he" will come"

That does not make sense (just as the lack of braces made no sense). You cannot have a baseball game without a whole team.


It was always "If you build it HE will come." ... Always.

Ray Kinsella (Kevin Costner), had a rocky relationship with his father. Ray's dad died before Ray could ever say he was sorry. So, one day, in the cornfield Ray heard "If you build it, 'he' will come". Meaning Ray's father will come. And he did. At the end of the movie, Ray finally got to play catch with his father. Ray also heard the phrase "Ease his pain". That also referred to his father. The whole movie was about a father and son reconnecting and letting go of the pain of their past.

All the rest of the stuff about the White Sox, Shoe-less Joe Jackson, all the rest of the players and games that ensued, and even the character Terrence Mann, ........ all of that was just filler to make the story more interesting. The real reason for building the baseball field was for the sake of his father. (Although the character "Ray Kinsella" wasn't aware of that until the end).

Oh thanks, I appreciate the clarification.

no it was NOT

it was "if you build it THEY will come"

it is ONLY "if you build it HE will come"

for people from THIS timeline

the one that is NOT the Sag timeline with our yellow sun where people were kind and good and nice

somehow we are here .. in THEIR Orion timeline ...

where there is NO tolerance nor respect and the sun is blinding hot white

and they have the nerve to tell grown adults what their memories are or are not

sadly, engaging with them is seldom a pleasant experience

it is also the timeline where being born with a male organ does NOT automatically make you a male

:facepalm:

so i seriously would NOT put too much stock on what they are adamant about

bascially, a really screwed up timeline ...

i believe we are their last bit of hope

here is James Earl Jones explaining to Ray how PEOPLE (plural) WILL come


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not that it matters, because even physical possessions are "changed" in this timeline

i've had Bible verses changed in my childhood Bible that i've had since i was baptized at age 12

these were verses that were most cherished and the earliest foundation of my faith

verses that were engraved in my heart, not just memory, and so they will remain there eternally

irrespective of ANYONE even standing on their head to say otherwise


https://c.tenor.com/8DxYcrLiGJUAAAAd/field-of-dreams-baseball.gif


D ... hold fast to your memories ... trust in them more than physicality or the words of another

you KNOW what you KNOW

and the test is to NEVER allow anyone to rob you of it

there are millions of us here with you ... and we ALL remember as you do

take comfort dear friend, that you are NOT alone

:flower:

Well said - and there really is no point debating the things that were changed due to the Mandela Effect because our memories are different than those who know these things as they are now.

[Did You See Them]

Heres one for uk people.
I distinctly remember Richard Stilgoe died about 5-6 years ago.
On monday 28th we were watching a youtube tv clip in which he appeared. For some reason I decided to look him up to see what else hed been in ... and now he's very much alive - in fact it was his birthday - the 28th March. A friend also remembers his death being announced on Look North West.
Do any members here remember him or his "death" ?

[BMJ]

... i believe we are their last bit of hope

I have to ask you Iota what do you mean exactly can you expand on this.

[DNA]

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Apparently Cern is being cranked up to new highs on July fifth 2022. That's tomorrow.
Something like seven Tera watts are going to be charging through this thing.
Does Cern punch holes into alternate dimensions, into similar Earth's?
I'm thinking of the TV show Fringe which was dedicated to this idea. Stranger things comes to mind.
Ant man and the wasp to since effect.
What does punching a hole into another dimension do to our dimension?
Is it like two instruments playing a note on the same room affecting one another?

[Journeyman]

Heres one for uk people.
I distinctly remember Richard Stilgoe died about 5-6 years ago.
On monday 28th we were watching a youtube tv clip in which he appeared. For some reason I decided to look him up to see what else hed been in ... and now he's very much alive - in fact it was his birthday - the 28th March. A friend also remembers his death being announced on Look North West.
Do any members here remember him or his "death" ?

Sorry for the late response, only just seen this.

Yes, I emphatically recall his death being announced.

Good to hear he's stillgoing.

Wonder if that pun was a part of the matrix from before he was born...

[Metaphor]

Gorbachev dead?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62732447
Wasn´t he already???
So I´m having a serious Mandela effect moment right now, I guess im not the only one right?
I searched google for it and there are others...
https://www.google.com/search?q=gorbachev+dead+mandela+effect&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsb1aT_ZetIaVXa3D7LDnB_IjWvIWA%3A1661932669923&ei=fRQPY6SCOO6Cxc8PobOLsAo&ved=0ahUKEwjktLnTzfD5AhVuQfEDHaHZAqYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=gorbachev+dead+mandela+effect&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgAEEM6BQgAEIAEOgUIABDLAToHCAAQxAIQCjoGCAAQDRAKOgUIABCGAzoFCAAQx AI6BQguEIAEOgYIABAeEBY6BAgAEAo6BAguEAo6BwghEKABEAo6BQghEKABSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUMUCWPsjYKklaAJwAXgAgAHxA YgBiheSAQYwLjE4LjOYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz

[muxfolder]

I just saw House of Yes. So another one which used to be written differently as far as I remember is Rachael Leigh Cook.

Was it always written like that or was it Rachel Leigh Cook because I'm almost positive it was the latter one when I last saw her name somewhere between the credits. IMDb does say she's "also known as" Rachel Leigh Cook and that's how used to know her from She's All That for example, which is one of my guilty pleasures btw. Anyone else?

EDIT: Ok. I just went her other works on IMDb and there seems to be some titles she has done as Rachel. But still, I'm pretty sure it was quite the opposite as far as I can remember. :)

[Patient]

Here is something that I have never seen discussed about the Mandela Effect;

How is it that there is only a percentage of people (and I think it is a smaller percentage) that see some things have changed?

Also, the changes that I am aware of are popular things, but the changes do not really have an effect on things? For example it is phrases in movies, or a logo. It isn't a town disappearing or an entire family.

Nothing (that I am aware of ) has changed that would cause a person to lose or gain a lot of money.

But the biggest question for me is why and how was it only a percentage of people? I am led to think that it is mostly a North America thing, but that could be just my lack of information from other countries.

[DNA]

Here is something that I have never seen discussed about the Mandela Effect;

How is it that there is only a percentage of people (and I think it is a smaller percentage) that see some things have changed?

Also, the changes that I am aware of are popular things, but the changes do not really have an effect on things? For example it is phrases in movies, or a logo. It isn't a town disappearing or an entire family.

Nothing (that I am aware of ) has changed that would cause a person to lose or gain a lot of money.

But the biggest question for me is why and how was it only a percentage of people? I am led to think that it is mostly a North America thing, but that could be just my lack of information from other countries.

The idea from what I understand is premised on the many worlds theory. The idea of differing Earth's in multiple dimensions differentiated by a little or a lot.

The idea again is that occasionally dimensions that differ on a small gradient like 1%-3% sometimes merge together and the idea is also that this is being done through intention, like through a technological contrivance and some say this is done via Cern.

One version supercedes the other.
If your dimension is superceding another then you see no change.
On the question regarding personal changes in family and friends those examples are out there.
I've had one myself.
Take care

[triquetra]

Here is a trick for thinking about why the Mandella Effect occurs for a small percentage of people - the difference that these people remember is actually not the main element of the singular divergence of the timeline that they all collectively remember, but actually a common (divergent) constant in the *family* of parallel timelines, of which each of them remembers a timeline belonging to that family (and not the family of timelines they now find themselves in).

We cannot think of ourselves as sharing 100% of the same timeline even in an infinitesimally small snapshot of time, frozen. Even in that tiniest of moments, our consciousnesses are spread across a multitude of parallel universes, bound together by the topology that represents the connections between what we each understand about the reality we live in.

These connections (where more than one consciousness understands the same thing about the reality they live in), is what creates the bonds between these parallel realities and is what makes us feel that we are all living in the same timeline together.

Out of these clusters of connections come these families of timelines that may then share opposing themes that can range from facts that seem insignificant (Berenstein Bears) all the way up to facts that seem like they might be significant to the navigation of the meta-timeline (Mandella dying in prison).

That said, you can think of an insignificant divergence as being significant if it tips off those who remember things differently that there might be more to how the universe truly works than we currently understand. If you consider the Mandella Effect as a "cross-pollenation" of consciousness across parallel families of timelines, then you might wonder if there are specific triggers for these events, and if there is any meaning to their occurrence.

The triggers for these seem not to be too different from triggers which cause timeline families to split in the first place. Exploration of computed outcomes of diverging timeline families may appear worthwhile to the simulation algorithm, as might timeline family convergences.

As for the meaning, if you are willing to consider that this reality is simulated, then the meaning of timeline splits and merges is simply to manipulate the stream of information being synthesized by running this universe with the seed variables provided to it, and swapping outputs between universes in order to mix outputs of universes with differing seed variables (seed variables are input prior to the Big Bang).

[triquetra]

Leaving a note here for posterity that a during composition of a follow-up post to the previous, the computer crashed spontaneously and the text was lost. Automatic typing unfortunately cannot be recovered.

[Sue (Ayt)]

Probably only me being a dumbo, but I always thought it was:
"Alas poor Yorick I knew him well."

But I just realized tonight that I was wrong, and it never was that. It is:
"Alas poor Yorick I knew him, Horatio."
:doh:

[Did You See Them]

Probably only me being a dumbo, but I always thought it was:
"Alas poor Yorick I knew him well."

But I just realized tonight that I was wrong, and it never was that. It is:
"Alas poor Yorick I knew him, Horatio."
:doh:

Always had the "Well" in there when I was at school !

Sqb7b-M-MX0

[John Hilton]

Disney reckons it's:

Magic mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

But I learned it as

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

...which also agrees with the German version that I learned when young:

Spiegel spiegel an der Wand
Wer ist die schoenste im ganzen Land

Anyone else remember it?

[Patient]

Disney reckons it's:

Magic mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

But I learned it as

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

...which also agrees with the German version that I learned when young:

Spiegel spiegel an der Wand
Wer ist die schoenste im ganzen Land

Anyone else remember it?

Yes, and I am intrigued to see some Mandela reports from Europe as most I had originally heard was all North American!

[noprophet]

Bill, does your disk copy of Moonraker show Dolly having braces (which I remember from when I watched the movie back in the day)? Can you take a screenshot of Dolly with braces?No, my archived offline copy didn't show Dolly with braces. That was the whole interesting point. It had changed, while untouched and all on its own in my drawer.

It hadn't been somehow digitally altered remotely. All of reality had changed regarding that tiny detail, including all the history of the detail anywhere.

But memories were NOT so altered, because memories don't exist entirely in the 4D space-time universe. It's only the physical world that changed, leaving people's memories as they always were.

That's the thing, it also leaves residue of things people create in reference to the effects. Even if the whole thing shifted tomorrow, there would still be references to the the originals all over the place.

[Pris]

I liken the Mandela Effect to the Flat Earth psyop. It's probably used to test the population for gullibility through suggestion. That kind of research is very helpful when you're engaged in 5th generation warfare against the people. It can also be weaponized to discredit reputations of those who are "troublesome". (I wouldn't be surprised that Michael Tellinger and Santos Bonacci were threatened, and the only way they'd be left alone was to publicly announce they were Flat Earthers. Something about that whole thing never sat right with me. They were both very, very popular prior. Their work, tremendous. Oddly, they both individually came out at about the same time announcing they were Flat Earthers and it absolutely ruined their reputations.)

One of the most ridiculous things people ever argued about was the, "Luke, I am your father..." as opposed to the correct "No, I am your father..." It shows how way too many people have no idea how the mind works. "Luke, I am your father..." makes a nice single sentence that encompasses the whole message. Great for T-shirts, memes etc. The message became ingrained in people's heads. The original, entire message is too cumbersome to use. Darth Vader: "Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father." Luke Skywalker: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!" Darth Vader: "No. I am your father."

And, our short and long-term memories are a funny thing. From personal experience, I've noticed that sometimes I really don't remember some things/events as accurately as I thought I did. Sometimes, I've forgotten things entirely.

We know for a fact the globalists have been rewriting history and re-defining words to suit their Marxist narrative. Who knows how long they've been at it. These days, it's easy to change/edit/alter digital content (including pictures, video etc.). All this could be adding "fuel" to the Mandela Effect. With so many people waking up to the globalist agenda and resisting, the globalists are getting desperate to hold onto their control. They're really blatant about a lot of things lately and don't care if people notice -- changing original wording in stories and movies like "Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory" to be more "woke".

They've even been experimenting with Deep Fakes (check out the early video interview footage of, supposedly, Damar Hamlin after his near-death "recovery" with over 50 video cuts -- can't have people getting the crazy idea that the COVID mRNA shot caused his heart to stop. I suspect the real Damar Hamlin isn't even around anymore and someone else stepped in...).

Once upon a time, I argued in another forum with a bunch of people who insisted that the Swastika had been "reversed" in recent times. I've known that sign all my life and it's never been inexplicably "reversed". By the way, many people have no clue just how EASY it is to upload a photograph in reverse (or physically print from a negative in reverse). When people like to analyze photos of politicians for "doppelgangers", for example, they need to keep in mind that facial features look very different in reverse. People also get facelifts.

[triquetra]

Disney reckons it's:

Magic mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

But I learned it as

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

...which also agrees with the German version that I learned when young:

Spiegel spiegel an der Wand
Wer ist die schoenste im ganzen Land

Anyone else remember it?

Yes, remember it as "mirror mirror" as well. One thing to look into is whether the same people have the same Mandela Effect's, but that would be a very difficult study to pull off.

Embedding here in case it triggers anyone else as being "wrong". As the comments there suggest, a lot of people remember it differently, not the original story but the Disney movie specifically, and they also remember the ending to be "of them all" not "one of all". There are just too many small differences from too many separate Mandella effects to ignore. This is enough to give confidence to those who remember so many things differently. One or two things, perhaps the imagination, faulty memory, etc. But with enough differences, one becomes suspicious there is something to this after all.
Br0DCEEBplY

I think there are some patterns emerging already:

- The Mandella Effects are generally about things from decades ago - a possibly collective crossing of major branches of timelines by a small but not insignificantly small group of souls.
- They are indeed about things that don't have a strong impact on the world but are memorable enough not to ignore. If "higher self you" wanted to send yourself a message across parallel timelines, this would be a good way to do it

There must be value in knowing the true nature of reality, a reality that reflects this possibility. This is something I have been pursuing for some time. What is the relationship between our higher self counterparts, and our lower selves in this simulation of multiple parallel timelines with minor differences? What is our purpose for putting ourselves down here, or for leaving breadcrumbs when jumping from one major branch of timelines to another?


Anyhow, to anyone not believing in the effect - there is no reason you should believe in it if you did not participate in the jump. There's no point arguing about whether it's real in that case. It most likely happened to only small numbers of people and they are the ones remembering the differences, and willing to bet absolutely anything, the memory of the difference is so vivid.

[Flash]

Well the mandela effect is now official. The woke movement has taken care of it. They are now changing the « unacceptable » text of authors like Agatha Christie.

Maybe, just maybe, the previous mandela effect was just to check reactions when it would be widespread to every folk around.

(I must still reiterate that I have not seen the original mandela effect in movies or books from French authors/original french films. It always sounded culturally biaised meaning targetting the the anglo markets only).



Disney reckons it's:

Magic mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

But I learned it as

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

...which also agrees with the German version that I learned when young:

Spiegel spiegel an der Wand
Wer ist die schoenste im ganzen Land

Anyone else remember it?

Yes, remember it as "mirror mirror" as well. One thing to look into is whether the same people have the same Mandela Effect's, but that would be a very difficult study to pull off.

Embedding here in case it triggers anyone else as being "wrong". As the comments there suggest, a lot of people remember it differently, not the original story but the Disney movie specifically, and they also remember the ending to be "of them all" not "one of all". There are just too many small differences from too many separate Mandella effects to ignore. This is enough to give confidence to those who remember so many things differently. One or two things, perhaps the imagination, faulty memory, etc. But with enough differences, one becomes suspicious there is something to this after all.
Br0DCEEBplY

I think there are some patterns emerging already:

- The Mandella Effects are generally about things from decades ago - a possibly collective crossing of major branches of timelines by a small but not insignificantly small group of souls.
- They are indeed about things that don't have a strong impact on the world but are memorable enough not to ignore. If "higher self you" wanted to send yourself a message across parallel timelines, this would be a good way to do it

There must be value in knowing the true nature of reality, a reality that reflects this possibility. This is something I have been pursuing for some time. What is the relationship between our higher self counterparts, and our lower selves in this simulation of multiple parallel timelines with minor differences? What is our purpose for putting ourselves down here, or for leaving breadcrumbs when jumping from one major branch of timelines to another?


Anyhow, to anyone not believing in the effect - there is no reason you should believe in it if you did not participate in the jump. There's no point arguing about whether it's real in that case. It most likely happened to only small numbers of people and they are the ones remembering the differences, and willing to bet absolutely anything, the memory of the difference is so vivid.

[Bill Ryan]

As a cross-reference, we have a large number of Mandela Effect threads besides this one. (These are only a sample few! The mods really do need to merge some of them.)


The Mandela Effect and alternative timelines (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85028-The-Mandela-Effect-and-alternative-timelines&highlight=Mandela)




Mandela Effect Reversal (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106632-Mandela-Effect-Reversal&highlight=Mandela)



Poll: The Mandela Effect Poll (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95399-The-Mandela-Effect-Poll&highlight=Mandela)



Poll: Mandela Effect: is it real or not? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?98046-Mandela-Effect-is-it-real-or-not&highlight=Mandela)



Support thread for members experiencing the Mandela Effect (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96189-Support-thread-for-members-experiencing-the-Mandela-Effect&highlight=Mandela)

And in my opinion the most interesting of all:


Research paper on The Mandela Effect: strong statistical evidence (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93458-Research-paper-on-The-Mandela-Effect-strong-statistical-evidence)

As I've posted quite a few times, I'm in absolutely zero doubt that at least some of the reported weird changes are real. I've experienced them myself, with quite some astonishment and disbelief. And it seems relevant that it's no longer happening, as if the glitch in the matrix a few years ago (or whatever the heck it was!) was merely a temporary thing that won't recur.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

One of the most ridiculous things people ever argued about was the, "Luke, I am your father..." as opposed to the correct "No, I am your father..." It shows how way too many people have no idea how the mind works.

Agreed in every respect. I tackled this one (Luke, I am your father) in several of the Mandela threads, the last time being this post. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85028-The-Mandela-Effect-and-alternative-timelines&p=1430654&highlight=luke#post1430654) I don't see anything mysterious going on here. It's simply being misremembered.

I've heard many swear up and down that 'Beam me up Scotty,' and 'Elementary, my dear Watson' are also a thing, though neither are real quotes. They are composites of similar dialogue. But they became convenient sound bites anyway - because they're instantly recognisable, and so instantly quotable. The same for 'Luke, I am your father.' If you say the original line without the 'Luke' it's kind of meaningless, it carries no context. It needs the addition of 'Luke' to make sense. Over time it got engraved in stone. It got embedded in the general consciousness stream - as a memory.

When you listen to all the dialogue from that scene, it becomes very clear it cannot be 'Luke, I am your father.' With the wider context in view it gets cleared up very quickly.

Vader: "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "No, I am your father."



(I must still reiterate that I have not seen the original mandela effect in movies or books from French authors/original french films. It always sounded culturally biaised meaning targetting the the anglo markets only).

Thanks for that Flash, that's very interesting data. If the Mandela Effect was a real phenomenon acting on this time-line, it cannot be confined only to the English language or to English speaking TV and movie references. As that seems to be the case it suggests something different must be going on, and that I conjecture is merely a run away internet trend, fuelled by the miasmic think-space of reddit and 4Chan and the memelords and doom-scrollers that live there.

Caveat -- that's not to say this explains everything related to the Mandela Effect.. Interdimensional overlaps exist; time-slips also exist. And many more 'mysteries' we do not understand. I write off misremembered scenes from movies and TV, but I leave room for others not so easily explained, because not everything is black and white.

[Pris]

One of the most ridiculous things people ever argued about was the, "Luke, I am your father..." as opposed to the correct "No, I am your father..." It shows how way too many people have no idea how the mind works.

Agreed in every respect. I tackled this one (Luke, I am your father) in several of the Mandela threads, the last time being this post. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85028-The-Mandela-Effect-and-alternative-timelines&p=1430654&highlight=luke#post1430654) I don't see anything mysterious going on here. It's simply being misremembered.

I've heard many swear up and down that 'Beam me up Scotty,' and 'Elementary, my dear Watson' are also a thing, though neither are real quotes. They are composites of similar dialogue. But they became convenient sound bites anyway - because they're instantly recognisable, and so instantly quotable. The same for 'Luke, I am your father.' If you say the original line without the 'Luke' it's kind of meaningless, it carries no context. It needs the addition of 'Luke' to make sense. Over time it got engraved in stone. It got embedded in the general consciousness stream - as a memory.

When you listen to all the dialogue from that scene, it becomes very clear it cannot be 'Luke, I am your father.' With the wider context in view it gets cleared up very quickly.

Vader: "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "No, I am your father."


Yes, very much so. It's hard to believe people still argue this one, just like they still argue that Han Solo didn't shoot first. (Yes, Han shot first. I'd say the edited versions that came later were some of the earliest examples of "wokism".)



Interdimensional overlaps exist; time-slips also exist.

Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)

There are loads of amazing and quite baffling stories related to this phenomenon scattered around, but a good place to start would be this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1122691&viewfull=1#post1122691) and this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1122811&viewfull=1#post1122811), another one here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1232426&viewfull=1#post1232426), all found in the excellent Time Shifts and Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips) thread.

You can also listen to this 3min clip from the library (from Coast to Coast) it boggles the mind!

http://projectavalon.net/WW3_timeline_shift_Mike_in_Montreal_calls_in_to_George_Noory_Coast_to_Coast_18_June_2018.mp3


If you'd prefer to sit back and watch something instead, the following highlights a few such stories. The first one mentions Bold St. Liverpool (https://exemplore.com/paranormal/The-Liverpool-Time-Slips-The-True-Story-Of-Mysterious-Occurences-In-Bold-Street) again - a notorious time-slip hotspot, quite well-known and definitely no joke.

HfP9SSm1BAI

[Bill Ryan]

Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)Many, many, many of them. :thumbsup:


Time Shifts & Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips/page14)

[Journeyman]

One of the most ridiculous things people ever argued about was the, "Luke, I am your father..." as opposed to the correct "No, I am your father..." It shows how way too many people have no idea how the mind works.

Agreed in every respect. I tackled this one (Luke, I am your father) in several of the Mandela threads, the last time being this post. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85028-The-Mandela-Effect-and-alternative-timelines&p=1430654&highlight=luke#post1430654) I don't see anything mysterious going on here. It's simply being misremembered.

I've heard many swear up and down that 'Beam me up Scotty,' and 'Elementary, my dear Watson' are also a thing, though neither are real quotes. They are composites of similar dialogue. But they became convenient sound bites anyway - because they're instantly recognisable, and so instantly quotable. The same for 'Luke, I am your father.' If you say the original line without the 'Luke' it's kind of meaningless, it carries no context. It needs the addition of 'Luke' to make sense. Over time it got engraved in stone. It got embedded in the general consciousness stream - as a memory.

When you listen to all the dialogue from that scene, it becomes very clear it cannot be 'Luke, I am your father.' With the wider context in view it gets cleared up very quickly.

Vader: "Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father..."
Luke: "He told me enough! He told me you killed him!"
Vader: "No, I am your father."



(I must still reiterate that I have not seen the original mandela effect in movies or books from French authors/original french films. It always sounded culturally biaised meaning targetting the the anglo markets only).

Thanks for that Flash, that's very interesting data. If the Mandela Effect was a real phenomenon acting on this time-line, it cannot be confined only to the English language or to English speaking TV and movie references. As that seems to be the case it suggests something different must be going on, and that I conjecture is merely a run away internet trend, fuelled by the miasmic think-space of reddit and 4Chan and the memelords and doom-scrollers that live there.

Caveat -- that's not to say this explains everything related to the Mandela Effect.. Interdimensional overlaps exist; time-slips also exist. And many more 'mysteries' we do not understand. I write off misremembered scenes from movies and TV, but I leave room for others not so easily explained, because not everything is black and white.

The dialog changes / mis remembered always struck me as the weakest aspects of this and although some of them ring true with me I wouldn't put as much weight in this as I do if they were the only evidence. I tend to agree for instance with your take on the 'Luke' one for example. Patient named several of mine (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91282-The-Mandela-Effect-What-does-it-mean&p=1422290&viewfull=1#post1422290)in his reply earlier in the thread.

[Pris]

Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)

There are loads of amazing and quite baffling stories related to this phenomenon scattered around, but a good place to start would be this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1122691&viewfull=1#post1122691) and this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1122811&viewfull=1#post1122811), another one here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1232426&viewfull=1#post1232426), all found in the excellent Time Shifts and Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips) thread.

You can also listen to this 3min clip from the library (from Coast to Coast) it boggles the mind!

http://projectavalon.net/WW3_timeline_shift_Mike_in_Montreal_calls_in_to_George_Noory_Coast_to_Coast_18_June_2018.mp3


If you'd prefer to sit back and watch something instead, the following highlights a few such stories. The first one mentions Bold St. Liverpool (https://exemplore.com/paranormal/The-Liverpool-Time-Slips-The-True-Story-Of-Mysterious-Occurences-In-Bold-Street) again - a notorious time-slip hotspot, quite well-known and definitely no joke.

HfP9SSm1BAI





Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)Many, many, many of them. :thumbsup:


Time Shifts & Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips/page14)



Thanks, guys! Interesting indeed. No question it's worth looking into more.

I guess one of my biggest concerns about it all is when stories are provided as proof. Just because someone tells a story and swears it's true that doesn't make it so. People lie. This goes for any kind of topic.

Since I've had a few "odd" experiences myself, I know it's not possible that everything's a hoax. I've just learned to be very skeptical. I once knew a very convincing storyteller with several different aliases (even pretended to be a woman) who was knowledgeable in multiple "alternative" subjects. He got a thrill out of people believing in whatever he had to say... but, I'd liken him to an 80/20 disinfo agent. There was some truth in there but it was bundled up with lies and some really bizarre personal so-called experiences. The idea was to reel you in with whatever worked, questions not allowed. How many more people like him are out there doing what they do just for kicks? The internet makes it very easy to do.

By the way, thanks to digital technology, it is VERY easy to alter photographs, videos, soundbites, you name it. There's filters to make photos look "sepia" and plug-ins that make videos appear like old film footage. A huge area to explore is the ever evolving CGI -- computer generated imagery and digital effects which includes AI. Animation and dynamics are a big part of that.

There's so often a "logical" alternative to a narrative that isn't explored because it breaks the illusion of magic, and possibly the grift. Some stories could be the result of people simply being "out of their minds" -- brain abnormalities and imbalances, alcohol, drugs, psychotropics etc. I'm aware there are more-or-less natural "altered states" we can enter into. My question is, how many people would be able to recognize the difference between a natural and unnaturally induced state? Even our own brains produce naturally occurring chemicals. How may those affect our perception of reality?

[Isserley]

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I love your posts Pris :man_in_love:

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[Pris]

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I love your posts Pris :man_in_love:

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[Flash]

The girl circled in red is not having a phone in her hands, she has a miror, sideways (we see the hinges) that was very common when I was small, I had one. We would carry them in our small purses and they would be used to put lipstick on, etc. The hat, shorts, purses and mirror are typical on the 60’s or very early 70’s. The woman dress with the boy is also typical of that period.

Nothing to do with time slips. Although I have experienced myself timeslips (in Istanbul amongst others), therefore I know it can happen, this pic ain’t one. We have to be always a bit suspicious of false representations.




Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)

There are loads of amazing and quite baffling stories related to this phenomenon scattered around, but a good place to start would be this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1122691&viewfull=1#post1122691) and this post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1122811&viewfull=1#post1122811), another one here (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips&p=1232426&viewfull=1#post1232426), all found in the excellent Time Shifts and Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips) thread.

You can also listen to this 3min clip from the library (from Coast to Coast) it boggles the mind!

http://projectavalon.net/WW3_timeline_shift_Mike_in_Montreal_calls_in_to_George_Noory_Coast_to_Coast_18_June_2018.mp3


If you'd prefer to sit back and watch something instead, the following highlights a few such stories. The first one mentions Bold St. Liverpool (https://exemplore.com/paranormal/The-Liverpool-Time-Slips-The-True-Story-Of-Mysterious-Occurences-In-Bold-Street) again - a notorious time-slip hotspot, quite well-known and definitely no joke.

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Can you provide any examples, proof? Just curious, you know. :)Many, many, many of them. :thumbsup:


Time Shifts & Time Slips (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61394-Time-Shifts-Time-Slips/page14)



Thanks, guys! Interesting indeed. No question it's worth looking into more.

I guess one of my biggest concerns about it all is when stories are provided as proof. Just because someone tells a story and swears it's true that doesn't make it so. People lie. This goes for any kind of topic.

Since I've had a few "odd" experiences myself, I know it's not possible that everything's a hoax. I've just learned to be very skeptical. I once knew a very convincing storyteller with several different aliases (even pretended to be a woman) who was knowledgeable in multiple "alternative" subjects. He got a thrill out of people believing in whatever he had to say... but, I'd liken him to an 80/20 disinfo agent. There was some truth in there but it was bundled up with lies and some really bizarre personal so-called experiences. The idea was to reel you in with whatever worked, questions not allowed. How many more people like him are out there doing what they do just for kicks? The internet makes it very easy to do.

By the way, thanks to digital technology, it is VERY easy to alter photographs, videos, soundbites, you name it. There's filters to make photos look "sepia" and plug-ins that make videos appear like old film footage. A huge area to explore is the ever evolving CGI -- computer generated imagery and digital effects which includes AI. Animation and dynamics are a big part of that.

There's so often a "logical" alternative to a narrative that isn't explored because it breaks the illusion of magic, and possibly the grift. Some stories could be the result of people simply being "out of their minds" -- brain abnormalities and imbalances, alcohol, drugs, psychotropics etc. I'm aware there are more-or-less natural "altered states" we can enter into. My question is, how many people would be able to recognize the difference between a natural and unnaturally induced state? Even our own brains produce naturally occurring chemicals. How may those affect our perception of reality?

[Bill Ryan]

Just a thinking-aloud note here, which fits into this 'What does it mean?' Mandela Effect thread.

As best I'm aware, the Mandela Effect isn't happening any more. It seemed to take place over a relatively short span of time, maybe 2-3 years at most, during which the various anomalies were all noticed and reported. (And yes, some of those were totally real.) Then nothing else since then.

I don't know any more than anyone else does what this implies. But here's one of the few hypotheses abut this that I'm aware of:

I posted way earlier on one of the Mandela Effect threads that my guess was that it was a test of timeline-changing deliberately done by a back ops group armed with some astonishing experimental technology.

Such a test (if this was what was happening!!) would responsibly be done very carefully indeed on very tiny things that barely mattered, but which would be sure to be noticed — and everything, by definition, would be fully deniable and dismissable since zero 'proof' would ever be available.

Extrapolating further, this would suggest that the test was successful, and a conceivable next step in the project might be changing one or two things that were rather larger. As best as I'm aware, of course, this has not happened.

But just possibly we might be on the lookout for changes in historical events, changes in the names of historical figures, changes in the text of well-known historical documents (not just the bible!), and so on.

If, for example, suddenly the US Constitution (including the one in the National Archives) is seen to begin "We, the American people", then there may be trouble ahead.

:)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

How do we know that it wasn't always "We the American people..." 'They' might have gone back at some point and changed it to "We, the people..."

We wouldn't know, we would never know. Or if the reverse was true, that it was once "We the American people...", and they changed it to "We, the people..." The alteration would reverberate down the time-lime and everyone's recollection would change to accommodate the alteration. Meaning, everyone now remembers "We, the people...". They wouldn't know any different!

As a thought experiment, let's say that WWII originally ended in 1949. But 5 minutes ago 'they' went back and changed it so that Hitler fell in 1945. That other history, the one we knew, gets erased, instantly, and the new one overwrites it, instantly. So we remember the war ending in '45, and always did remember it ending in '45. We wouldn't have a single clue that anything was ever different.

Which sort of disproves the Mandela effect exists.

....Unless we're talking multiple different time-times getting tangled together. A possibility theoretically (in physics), metaphysically too, maybe, but if that were happening we'd expect to observe a far greater variety of 'changes' -- and observe them worldwide, across nations, classes and every social divide. That hasn't happened. Mandela effect reports were/are almost entirely (if not completely) confined to the Western hemisphere, and only the English portion of it, and with the exception of the initial outlying anomaly - recollection of Mandela's death - went no further than music/movie/pop-cultural references. Which makes no sense.

No one can say with any certainty what the truth is here. But I think the chance is high that the Mandela effect was an internet fad that came and went. People essentially ran out of original ideas/examples of pop-culture references they remember differently, which I think the vast majority of these instances are - a confabulation of misremembered movie quotes, something which hasn't gone away, by the way; they've always been there and continue to persist, like for example "beam me up Scotty", except this 'Mandela effect' has been going around since the days of the first Star Trek conventions -- beginning in 1973!

[Innocent Warrior]

Disney reckons it's:

Magic mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

But I learned it as

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

...which also agrees with the German version that I learned when young:

Spiegel spiegel an der Wand
Wer ist die schoenste im ganzen Land

Anyone else remember it?

Yes, remember it as "mirror mirror" as well. One thing to look into is whether the same people have the same Mandela Effect's, but that would be a very difficult study to pull off.

Embedding here in case it triggers anyone else as being "wrong". As the comments there suggest, a lot of people remember it differently, not the original story but the Disney movie specifically, and they also remember the ending to be "of them all" not "one of all". There are just too many small differences from too many separate Mandella effects to ignore. This is enough to give confidence to those who remember so many things differently. One or two things, perhaps the imagination, faulty memory, etc. But with enough differences, one becomes suspicious there is something to this after all.
Br0DCEEBplY

I think there are some patterns emerging already:

- The Mandella Effects are generally about things from decades ago - a possibly collective crossing of major branches of timelines by a small but not insignificantly small group of souls.
- They are indeed about things that don't have a strong impact on the world but are memorable enough not to ignore. If "higher self you" wanted to send yourself a message across parallel timelines, this would be a good way to do it

There must be value in knowing the true nature of reality, a reality that reflects this possibility. This is something I have been pursuing for some time. What is the relationship between our higher self counterparts, and our lower selves in this simulation of multiple parallel timelines with minor differences? What is our purpose for putting ourselves down here, or for leaving breadcrumbs when jumping from one major branch of timelines to another?


Anyhow, to anyone not believing in the effect - there is no reason you should believe in it if you did not participate in the jump. There's no point arguing about whether it's real in that case. It most likely happened to only small numbers of people and they are the ones remembering the differences, and willing to bet absolutely anything, the memory of the difference is so vivid.

Hi, Triquetra.

What if they're not all small details. I know this is going to sound mental but please humour me. For me the planet is changing and I'm not the only one who remembers it differently. I searched to see if I could find anyone who remembers any changes to Australia and found an American woman who studied maps of Australia a lot because she wanted to travel here and would plan her trip according to where everything she wanted to see is. She listed nine differences she and her sister remember and I remember six of them exactly as they do. We remember smaller differences in the coastline but also remember larger changes like the location of cities.

The planet has changed in other places in the world too and two of them occurred in the past couple of years. The size of nations has changed, the location of continents, and the location of Budapest has changed.

What would you make of that? The effect of large changes has more of a distressing effect, I'd really appreciate a reply from you about this.

Thanks for all your posts BTW, I can't say I comprehend everything you write but I'm going through your posts and the clarity you have on these topics is really helpful.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

In the past ten years I have been half a dozen times to Budapest.
I would be interested for references on how the location of Budapest has changed.

If it is only a small group of individuals that belong to the involved group, it would make sense that very few people would "remember".

As an extreme small group like this (three people but only one at first), play in the romantic movie "Yesterday".
While it may not be an example of the Mandela effect, it sure has a similar outcome.
I won't tell the plot... it is a kind of fun movie to watch.

[Bruce G Charlton]

Radical Implications of the Mandela Effect (https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2023/06/radical-implications-of-mandela-effect.html)

I have written before about what I think is really going-on in the discussions of The Mandela Effect (https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2022/08/what-is-larger-and-vital-issue-of-which.html). Another way of thinking about it; is that it is to do with concepts of Time.

Some twenty years ago; I wrote an essay about the contrast between Ceremonial Time and Technological Time (https://www.hedweb.com/bgcharlton/ceremonialtime.html). Ceremonial Time could be called subjective time, based on human memory as it works in an oral and illiterate culture; whereas Technological Time is the, now dominant, modern idea of time as objective, consensual; and where the bottom line is in written history, and scientific concepts and measures.

My feeling is that much discussion of The Mandela Effect is rooted in a spontaneous (to young children, and ancestral men), unconscious, and instinctive desire to reassert the primacy of Ceremonial Time; rooted in spontaneous, emotionally-inflected, and human-centred, memory.



But this is (exactly because rooted in the unconscious and instinctive - hence opaque to analysis) confused by trying to hold-onto various aspects of Technological Time.

For instance the reality of the Mandela Effect is asserted by referencing books and other written material; or movie films, TV, computers, and other technologies that have significant roots outside of the mind; in memory cues that are materialized in symbolic, encoded, linguistic, and visual representations.

The debate focuses on asserts about differences between past and present artifacts. And it focuses on trying to convince other people about the validity of our own memories compared with current public information.



I find this contradictory.

This is moving back and forth between the official and external, now and then; and back and forth between our own subjective memories and the attempt to make others regard our assertions about these memories as externally-valid truths.

But if we desire to assert the primacy of the subjective, directly-known and human; then we should not use the objective, symbolic and technological as evidence.



Discussion of the Mandela Effects seems to arise from a profound dissatisfaction at the destructive violence that our bureaucratic-mass media and totalitarian world is doing to both our basic humanity and freedom, and furthermore our spiritual nature and destiny.

As such, I think it points at a much more extreme and radically-different way of thinking and being, then such discourse currently attains.

I think the concern over would-be Mandela Effects should be addressed by making the choice to root our primary assumptions concerning reality in that which is not just our own memories and reasoning (which are, after all, subject to change, including distortions); but to root them in a vision of life as - ultimately - a matter of living Beings who are in relationships. Therefore, altogether separate from (and immune to!) the domination of external, institutional and codified forms of knowing.



We each need to develop a separate interior discourse from that which imposes upon us from externally: from the public, officialdom, the media...

This interior discourse needs to be Christian, by which I mean our inner discourse needs to be aligned-with, in harmony with, the purposes and nature of divine creation - insofar as we can know this.

If such an inner and God-orientated discourse includes significant knowledge that contradicts what we are being told by public institutions that we know to be corrupt (at best) and (increasingly) demonic in overall-control...

Well, then we know what we ought to believe in our hearts - don't we?



In which case, trying to convince others that 1. their understanding of 2. our reports of 3. what we currently remember.. is pretty irrelevant - both to us, and even more to them. They ought to be doing the inner work for themselves - otherwise, their discourse will simply be a different variant of passively accepting external data; which is (both cognitively and spiritually) much like soaking-up official-media propaganda.

[lake]

snip ...



As an extreme small group like this (three people but only one at first), play in the romantic movie "Yesterday".
While it may not be an example of the Mandela effect, it sure has a similar outcome.
I won't tell the plot... it is a kind of fun movie to watch.

Yes it is a nice movie ....

https://seed191.bitchute.com/N9MStdgAJo1c/i0LOyANgsiFX.mp4

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[Innocent Warrior]

In the past ten years I have been half a dozen times to Budapest.
I would be interested for references on how the location of Budapest has changed.

If it is only a small group of individuals that belong to the involved group, it would make sense that very few people would "remember".

As an extreme small group like this (three people but only one at first), play in the romantic movie "Yesterday".
While it may not be an example of the Mandela effect, it sure has a similar outcome.
I won't tell the plot... it is a kind of fun movie to watch.

Budapest was at the other end of the country, close to the southern border. I don't think the river ran through the middle either, I thought it ran along the bottom, thats how I remembered it and its odd I don't recall seeing it where it is now but I'm not certain about that. My fiance whose family is from Hungary remembers it as I do too, we were looking at a map of it no more than two years ago.

I've noticed the overall effect with the land masses of the world is that they are much closer together, they're a bunched up version of how they used to be.

More commonly, I've seen people online remember New Zealand the way I do, with it being much higher up, alongside Australia, it was alongside NSW and QLD. We were never in that position of being in the midst of the Islands up north the way we are now. Even though to me and some others it seems like New Zealand is lower at first glance, it's actually Australia that has moved and if you take a look and compare the position of where New Zealand is now with where I described it you'll see that it's a massive shift.

I don't know about the group you're talking about, I'm here reading Triquetra's posts starting with his most recent ones, I may not have read that yet. I'm wondering if this even seems possible within the way he sees these things, if so I'm guessing he'd see it from the level of it being an act on the part of my HS or something like that but I actually have no sense of having any part in this myself.

The world feels alien to me now, this sense began in 2019 and seems to be snowballing. At first I had this odd but really strong sense that the world was being pulled from my hands and that it was no longer mine, which was really surprising because I never thought of it as mine in that sense anyway. Now I have the sense that I'm falling away from it. So for me the experience of it is that it's something being done to the world that few are unaffected by or that it's being done to me. IDK but I think we don't know the half of what tech exists and how it's being used, I get that sense but it's sophisticated, multidimensional.

Text added after posting... The other change that's happened in past couple of years is that the size of Ukraine has changed, it used to be tiny, it's much bigger now. Since that's been in the news a lot, does anyone here remember Ukraine being smaller?

[Harmony]

In the past ten years I have been half a dozen times to Budapest.
I would be interested for references on how the location of Budapest has changed.

If it is only a small group of individuals that belong to the involved group, it would make sense that very few people would "remember".

As an extreme small group like this (three people but only one at first), play in the romantic movie "Yesterday".
While it may not be an example of the Mandela effect, it sure has a similar outcome.
I won't tell the plot... it is a kind of fun movie to watch.

Budapest was at the other end of the country, close to the southern border. I don't think the river ran through the middle either, I thought it ran along the bottom, thats how I remembered it and its odd I don't recall seeing it where it is now but I'm not certain about that. My fiance whose family is from Hungary remembers it as I do too, we were looking at a map of it no more than two years ago.

I've noticed the overall effect with the land masses of the world is that they are much closer together, they're a bunched up version of how they used to be.

More commonly, I've seen people online remember New Zealand the way I do, with it being much higher up, alongside Australia, it was alongside NSW and QLD. We were never in that position of being in the midst of the Islands up north the way we are now. Even though to me and some others it seems like New Zealand is lower at first glance, it's actually Australia that has moved and if you take a look and compare the position of where New Zealand is now with where I described it you'll see that it's a massive shift.

I don't know about the group you're talking about, I'm here reading Triquetra's posts starting with his most recent ones, I may not have read that yet. I'm wondering if this even seems possible within the way he sees these things, if so I'm guessing he'd see it from the level of it being an act on the part of my HS or something like that but I actually have no sense of having any part in this myself.

The world feels alien to me now, this sense began in 2019 and seems to be snowballing. At first I had this odd but really strong sense that the world was being pulled from my hands and that it was no longer mine, which was really surprising because I never thought of it as mine in that sense anyway. Now I have the sense that I'm falling away from it. So for me the experience of it is that it's something being done to the world that few are unaffected by or that it's being done to me. IDK but I think we don't know the half of what tech exists and how it's being used, I get that sense but it's sophisticated, multidimensional.

Text added after posting... The other change that's happened in past couple of years is that the size of Ukraine has changed, it used to be tiny, it's much bigger now. Since that's been in the news a lot, does anyone here remember Ukraine being smaller?


I find it very interesting to hear others experiences and how and what may be responsible for the changes we may be experiencing.


I do remember the maps of Australia being quite different and the position of the Northern Island Nations and the position of NZ quite different as you explained Innocent Warrior. I did wonder if it was just the way maps are displayed now that has changed.

With differences in movies etc. I have asked other people the way they remembered certain parts, these people have never heard of the Mandala effect etc. and they tell me what they remember before I tell them what I remember and it is the same most times, (maybe age related in some way) not just a little different or similar, but the same, so it can't always be a mind related experience or there would be more variables in what people remembered.

Sometime near the end of 2011 I had a dream (one of the "different" kinds) where I was seated in an aeroplane by myself while it was flying high in the sky when I felt my body being torn from one location, molecule by molecule and it was quite uncomfortable and I was wishing it would hurry up, and felt I knew somehow I was being taken to a new place in time and space or a parallel reality.

[Parsi-X]

I recently had my first proper mandala effect.. last week i clearly remember seeing the ending of a Masterchef Australia episode where the contestant Rue gets eliminated and remember seeing this on live tv... two days later shes back for the elimination round and i jump off my seat telling my wife how is this possible? i just saw the elimination on tv 2 days back..my wife started laughing at me but was shocked when she saw rue walking off the set!

[Journeyman]

Hi, Triquetra.

What if they're not all small details. I know this is going to sound mental but please humour me. For me the planet is changing and I'm not the only one who remembers it differently. I searched to see if I could find anyone who remembers any changes to Australia and found an American woman who studied maps of Australia a lot because she wanted to travel here and would plan her trip according to where everything she wanted to see is. She listed nine differences she and her sister remember and I remember six of them exactly as they do. We remember smaller differences in the coastline but also remember larger changes like the location of cities.

The planet has changed in other places in the world too and two of them occurred in the past couple of years. The size of nations has changed, the location of continents, and the location of Budapest has changed.

What would you make of that? The effect of large changes has more of a distressing effect, I'd really appreciate a reply from you about this.

Thanks for all your posts BTW, I can't say I comprehend everything you write but I'm going through your posts and the clarity you have on these topics is really helpful.


Changes to the position of Australia, in relation to NZ and Indonesia are also in my own ME checklist.

Can't recall Budapest before so can't speak to that.

I think Ukraine is now larger. Though the entire question of the maps in common usage is a vexed one as they distort to such an extent that I suspect there's a manipulation of consciousness at work there irrespective of the ME.

[Innocent Warrior]

Sometime near the end of 2011 I had a dream (one of the "different" kinds) where I was seated in an aeroplane by myself while it was flying high in the sky when I felt my body being torn from one location, molecule by molecule and it was quite uncomfortable and I was wishing it would hurry up, and felt I knew somehow I was being taken to a new place in time and space or a parallel reality.

Really interesting dream. Did you get any sense at all of the cause? Even if it's just a vague sense of the nature of it, I'd love to read about that.

I thought of the map thing too but couldn't find any that represented how it used to be. Some unofficial ones lack accuracy but still none of those even depicted how it used to be. With it being my country I can see a lot of changes to Australia and I see no traces of the previous version with even one of the changes. Also, because it's so different now, the map idea doesn't even explain it.

I was thinking, we're all on the same looking planet at any given moment, it's only what we recall historically that differs. I have no doubt at all anymore that it was as we remember it. There will be really solid knowledge about timelines and reality, and the current state of reality, to be gained from accepting this truth and examining it more closely.

I feel I need a deeper understanding of timelines to be able to ask the most useful questions. I need to study what I think Johan was referring to first, Triquetra's posts on how we're not all actually sharing the same timelines even though it appears that way and how there are families of timelines etc..

At the moment I'm thinking everyone traverses timelines orthogonally and that we always have but in more recent years the shifts have been bigger, which for some of us has effectively broken the illusion of linear time even though we still experience it moment after moment. Given that's the case, the question is why are some of us remembering while others don't? That's where I think the tech may come into it and given that the group who remembers seems much smaller than those who don't, that suggests an effect on the collective that doesn't effect those who remember.

[Harmony]

Sometime near the end of 2011 I had a dream (one of the "different" kinds) where I was seated in an aeroplane by myself while it was flying high in the sky when I felt my body being torn from one location, molecule by molecule and it was quite uncomfortable and I was wishing it would hurry up, and felt I knew somehow I was being taken to a new place in time and space or a parallel reality.

Really interesting dream. Did you get any sense at all of the cause? Even if it's just a vague sense of the nature of it, I'd love to read about that.

I thought of the map thing too but couldn't find any that represented how it used to be. Some unofficial ones lack accuracy but still none of those even depicted how it used to be. With it being my country I can see a lot of changes to Australia and I see no traces of the previous version with even one of the changes. Also, because it's so different now, the map idea doesn't even explain it.

I was thinking, we're all on the same looking planet at any given moment, it's only what we recall historically that differs. I have no doubt at all anymore that it was as we remember it. There will be really solid knowledge about timelines and reality, and the current state of reality, to be gained from accepting this truth and examining it more closely.

I feel I need a deeper understanding of timelines to be able to ask the most useful questions. I need to study what I think Johan was referring to first, Triquetra's posts on how we're not all actually sharing the same timelines even though it appears that way and how there are families of timelines etc..

At the moment I'm thinking everyone traverses timelines orthogonally and that we always have but in more recent years the shifts have been bigger, which for some of us has effectively broken the illusion of linear time even though we still experience it moment after moment. Given that's the case, the question is why are some of us remembering while others don't? That's where I think the tech may come into it and given that the group who remembers seems much smaller than those who don't, that suggests an effect on the collective that doesn't effect those who remember.


I wish I knew more about what that dream really meant in a more definite way. At the time I thought it may have something to do with the 2012 time when many were expecting changes of some kind and see a turn around in the direction of where we were all headed. During meditation for 2012 I did notice a change in my third eye of what colours and patterns were new for my everyday permanent vision. I can only say in my "dream" I knew I was moving energetically to a different place.


I do get the feeling we are now noticing that time is not linear and change from one plane or dimesion can be transversed easier. Some remember more than others or bring back more from the dream state even though we are likely all movig and learning during and inbetween our normal consciousness "pulses" in and out of reality. I would like to understand more, as it does seem really important. With that understanding we will likely have more freedom in the responses available to us in our lives.


I also feel in the last few years something has really changed at an exponential rate, something hurried in ways that no one would have ever accepted just a short time ago. There does seem to be a larger void developing between different ways that seem right to us going forward into the future. That to me is quite unsettling and I cannot quite come to terms with it all so far.


I do hope with more understanding of the interesting books and information a few have mentioned it will shed some light on what is happening as there are aspects that seem to overlap which might make things more clear.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

About switching timeslines, which is no doubt related (in some way) to the Mandela effect.

Has anyone experienced a very outspoken physical change (bodily change) after a (personal, probably) timelineshift?
It happened to me twice and I will give an example. Important to mention is that I did not "cause" it myself, but someone/something did, to help me out, protect me...

This happened in February of the early 2000's. I was involved in a group that was very interesting and exactly what I needed at the time, but it was also an incredible dangerous environment (I did not realize how dangerous it was at first).

Someone at the top tried to "blackmail"/force me into a completely illegal situation. I was between a rock and a hard place. I did not want to leave the group but I also could not "comply", do what was asked from me.

So, one particular evening that month I went to sleep. I was very confused and unhappy because of the entire situation.

The next morning I woke up, and I could not stand upright! I kept falling down (on the bed luckily). I had not had any drinks at all. But I felt SO dizzy, everything was "turning around" and I could not stand on my feet for at least half an hour. Then, slowly, things got back to normal.

Just after that, I discovered that the "situation" with that group was resolved: I was just "kicked out" for "not complying. And it REALLY felt as if I had ended up in/on another timeline. It was very, very odd.

But I was very thankful... once I understood what had happened. It was as if "someone" had helped me out, given me a hand, to get out of that "catch 22". It is over twenty years ago now, but I remember it as if it happened yesterday.

[Innocent Warrior]

About switching timeslines, which is no doubt related (in some way) to the Mandela effect.

Has anyone experienced a very outspoken physical change (bodily change) after a (personal, probably) timelineshift?
It happened to me twice and I will give an example. Important to mention is that I did not "cause" it myself, but someone/something did, to help me out, protect me...

This happened in February of the early 2000's. I was involved in a group that was very interesting and exactly what I needed at the time, but it was also an incredible dangerous environment (I did not realize how dangerous it was at first).

Someone at the top tried to "blackmail"/force me into a completely illegal situation. I was between a rock and a hard place. I did not want to leave the group but I also could not "comply", do what was asked from me.

So, one particular evening that month I went to sleep. I was very confused and unhappy because of the entire situation.

The next morning I woke up, and I could not stand upright! I kept falling down (on the bed luckily). I had not had any drinks at all. But I felt SO dizzy, everything was "turning around" and I could not stand on my feet for at least half an hour. Then, slowly, things got back to normal.

Just after that, I discovered that the "situation" with that group was resolved: I was just "kicked out" for "not complying. And it REALLY felt as if I had ended up in/on another timeline. It was very, very odd.

But I was very thankful... once I understood what had happened. It was as if "someone" had helped me out, given me a hand, to get out of that "catch 22". It is over twenty years ago now, but I remember it as if it happened yesterday.

I had the same thing. I could stand but had to move very slowly to avoid falling down. It was like that for a day and then it improved over a few weeks before it went away. I was briefly concerned something serious had just happened to my health but other than that I felt great. I didn’t feel a timeline shift like you did but I felt like was out of synch with my body, while still firmly in it and put it down to a big and sudden shift in frequency that my body needed some time to catch up to.

It’s happened since, just a day and I felt fine again when I woke up the next day. That day it was less severe but nothing felt real, like it was a dream. This has been a recent thing, in the past couple of years.

I also have different tones that randomly suddenly enter an ear, usually briefly, seconds, sometimes I feel them go through my head and affect the other ear too. That’s been happening for a long time, maybe a decade, but it’s far more frequent now, typical even. It concerned me at first but it doesn’t anymore, it seems to me like tuning. Have you ever experienced this?

[palehorse]

Well, specially nowadays with all the fabricated data.. our brain runs on automatic, we do have "daemons" inside our brains, assuming you know the script of a movie and then somehow it sounds different next time you watch it.. does not classify as mandala effect, because you already got many versions of that script in your brain, even the imaginary one (that one we usually imagine a better outcome). Which one is real or official or whatever?

We have a large data set to sort things out from.. we can be accurate if we are practicing something and taking notes and all the details, but really purely in the memory to assume mandala effect, I would not overthink such a thing, in fact I don't, I just let it go because it does not matter, it will go away anyway anytime.

[Johan (Keyholder)]

What you describe Innocent Warrior, "I didn’t feel a timeline shift like you did but I felt like was out of synch with my body, while still firmly in it and put it down to a big and sudden shift in frequency that my body needed some time to catch up to.", was like my second experience, which happened in 1976.

This was the morning after the NDE I had then. It felt as if my body had to re-calibrate, re-adjust to "that" physical space-time.

In the NDE I was given the option to either "go somewhere else (= die there and then)"or stay and continue this life. Which I did.

As far as I know this was the only "real" NDE experience I've had this lifetime. But I am very aware of going to "other space-times" (parallel lives I would think) and that almost every night (when I sleep). Sometimes it can also happen while just taking a short nap.

The different sounds, the tuning as you say, happens very seldom, but I know what you are talking about.

[Innocent Warrior]

What you describe Innocent Warrior, "I didn’t feel a timeline shift like you did but I felt like was out of synch with my body, while still firmly in it and put it down to a big and sudden shift in frequency that my body needed some time to catch up to.", was like my second experience, which happened in 1976.

This was the morning after the NDE I had then. It felt as if my body had to re-calibrate, re-adjust to "that" physical space-time.

In the NDE I was given the option to either "go somewhere else (= die there and then)"or stay and continue this life. Which I did.

As far as I know this was the only "real" NDE experience I've had this lifetime. But I am very aware of going to "other space-times" (parallel lives I would think) and that almost every night (when I sleep). Sometimes it can also happen while just taking a short nap.

The different sounds, the tuning as you say, happens very seldom, but I know what you are talking about.

What the eff? I go to parallel lifetimes when I sleep, not nearly every night though. More recently I've interacted with two different versions of myself (on separate occasions, in each parallel), I didn't ask but both appear to be the same age as me and one of them is a male, living my best life I might add.

I want to go into this topic a bit more but we might stray too far off topic here, when I get the time I'll write about the parallels in more detail in the experiencers thread. Would you please consider doing the same, if you're comfortable with that? I'd love to read about your NDE there too, if you get the time.

[triquetra]

Disney reckons it's:

Magic mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

But I learned it as

Mirror mirror on the wall
Who is the fairest of them all?

...which also agrees with the German version that I learned when young:

Spiegel spiegel an der Wand
Wer ist die schoenste im ganzen Land

Anyone else remember it?

Yes, remember it as "mirror mirror" as well. One thing to look into is whether the same people have the same Mandela Effect's, but that would be a very difficult study to pull off.

Embedding here in case it triggers anyone else as being "wrong". As the comments there suggest, a lot of people remember it differently, not the original story but the Disney movie specifically, and they also remember the ending to be "of them all" not "one of all". There are just too many small differences from too many separate Mandella effects to ignore. This is enough to give confidence to those who remember so many things differently. One or two things, perhaps the imagination, faulty memory, etc. But with enough differences, one becomes suspicious there is something to this after all.
Br0DCEEBplY

I think there are some patterns emerging already:

- The Mandella Effects are generally about things from decades ago - a possibly collective crossing of major branches of timelines by a small but not insignificantly small group of souls.
- They are indeed about things that don't have a strong impact on the world but are memorable enough not to ignore. If "higher self you" wanted to send yourself a message across parallel timelines, this would be a good way to do it

There must be value in knowing the true nature of reality, a reality that reflects this possibility. This is something I have been pursuing for some time. What is the relationship between our higher self counterparts, and our lower selves in this simulation of multiple parallel timelines with minor differences? What is our purpose for putting ourselves down here, or for leaving breadcrumbs when jumping from one major branch of timelines to another?


Anyhow, to anyone not believing in the effect - there is no reason you should believe in it if you did not participate in the jump. There's no point arguing about whether it's real in that case. It most likely happened to only small numbers of people and they are the ones remembering the differences, and willing to bet absolutely anything, the memory of the difference is so vivid.

Hi, Triquetra.

What if they're not all small details. I know this is going to sound mental but please humour me. For me the planet is changing and I'm not the only one who remembers it differently. I searched to see if I could find anyone who remembers any changes to Australia and found an American woman who studied maps of Australia a lot because she wanted to travel here and would plan her trip according to where everything she wanted to see is. She listed nine differences she and her sister remember and I remember six of them exactly as they do. We remember smaller differences in the coastline but also remember larger changes like the location of cities.

The planet has changed in other places in the world too and two of them occurred in the past couple of years. The size of nations has changed, the location of continents, and the location of Budapest has changed.

What would you make of that? The effect of large changes has more of a distressing effect, I'd really appreciate a reply from you about this.

Thanks for all your posts BTW, I can't say I comprehend everything you write but I'm going through your posts and the clarity you have on these topics is really helpful.

Have been waiting for some additional context to arrive (from the "Other Side", let's say) myself to provide better context to the often cryptic messages I leave on this forum, time-related glitches mean cause-effect reversal and so leaving breadcrumbs somewhere like Avalon is the best compromise.

Bill Ryan kind of hit the nail on the head that the bulk of mass Mandela Effect reports were timeboxed to a window of time when the most manipulation of the simulation of the type that would cause the Mandela Effect was taking place (from within the simulation, that is, you can't really consider the interface between the outside of the simulation to the inside to be "manipulation").

After moving on from that type of internal hacking, we see evidence of other types of glitches rather than the Mandela Effect, instead (see the Very Weird Stuff! thread in this sub-forum, for example).

So outside of that time window, that leaves the glitches experienced by the increasingly few, which depending on time window experienced as related to "pre-ripples" or "post-ripples" of the more mass-experienced anomalies (since linear time is very much an illusion experienced only by 3D and lower densities).

This is not to discount the relevance of these for the individual, such as yourself, but it is important to understand that the rarity of experiencing certain Mandela Effects is important when trying to study the Mandela Effect generally (since this is the "What Does It Mean?" sub-forum, I presume the goal is to actually solve that question for each thread topic).

If your experiences extend your view of these distortions to the extremes of the eye-shaped distortion window, then you are probably among the most sensitive to perceiving such distortions - a confusing ability until it can be wielded more skilfully.

[happyuk]

Here's another one. Anyone else remember this incident differently?

DKMllY6jHp0

[Innocent Warrior]

[Have been waiting for some additional context to arrive (from the "Other Side", let's say) myself to provide better context to the often cryptic messages I leave on this forum, time-related glitches mean cause-effect reversal and so leaving breadcrumbs somewhere like Avalon is the best compromise.

Bill Ryan kind of hit the nail on the head that the bulk of mass Mandela Effect reports were timeboxed to a window of time when the most manipulation of the simulation of the type that would cause the Mandela Effect was taking place (from within the simulation, that is, you can't really consider the interface between the outside of the simulation to the inside to be "manipulation").

After moving on from that type of internal hacking, we see evidence of other types of glitches rather than the Mandela Effect, instead (see the Very Weird Stuff! thread in this sub-forum, for example).

So outside of that time window, that leaves the glitches experienced by the increasingly few, which depending on time window experienced as related to "pre-ripples" or "post-ripples" of the more mass-experienced anomalies (since linear time is very much an illusion experienced only by 3D and lower densities).

This is not to discount the relevance of these for the individual, such as yourself, but it is important to understand that the rarity of experiencing certain Mandela Effects is important when trying to study the Mandela Effect generally (since this is the "What Does It Mean?" sub-forum, I presume the goal is to actually solve that question for each thread topic).

If your experiences extend your view of these distortions to the extremes of the eye-shaped distortion window, then you are probably among the most sensitive to perceiving such distortions - a confusing ability until it can be wielded more skilfully.

OK, TY.

I've been watching Australia and it keeps moving up. I sensed Australia would continue to move up further and it has (it's higher since my previous post BTW), so I'm reasonably confident now that it will continue to move up because I feel it hasn't finished moving yet and it should move quite a bit more if what I'm seeing about this is correct.

So I might have a rare opportunity here to prove it pretty simply because I'm effectively predicting a future Mandela effect that others can observe and we don't even need a precise setting because I feel it will keep moving quite a bit more, a clearly observable amount.

The map below was published in 1894 and reflects the changes I've observed, that being Australia was much lower, it also matches other maps, so that should sort out the map issue argument.

https://i.postimg.cc/vmZJD2xp/Screenshot-20230913-162642-Gallery.jpg

Here's a link to the source of that map: https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/old-map-of-the-world-map-published-1894-royalty-free-image/1224533610?adppopup=true

OK, so note that Tasmania is below the pink line I've marked the map with. Also note that the bottom of Australia is lower than the bottom of Africa. If I'm correct, Australia should at least come up enough for the bottom of Australia to be in line with the bottom of Africa (I'm expecting further). Please file that into your memory, I don't know if my wording in this post will change or if the grid on the map will change.

Ignore South America for now in relation to Australia, it's been moving south-east and I feel like that's going to keep going east from there and then up.

I'll keep an eye on it and bump this post if it happens.

EDIT: I've marked the same image below with a pink line joining the most western tip of Australia with the most eastern tip of Java. I want to see if we can catch Australia moving west or rotating, in case that happens. At this time Australia's western tip is about one mm to the west of Java's eastern tip (not enlarged).

https://i.postimg.cc/0ykm4F4M/Screenshot-20230913-165751-Gallery.jpg

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Australia, it's been moving south-east and I feel like that's going to keep going east from there and then up.


Just a note. Is it possible you're remembering the position from a different map projection?

The one you posted is the Mercator projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection), which is just one of many different map projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection) styles out there. Each one involves quite a different set of distortion metrics. Flat representations of spherical planes is a complicated business. The Robinson projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_projection) (below) is another style and in it, Australia does look a little more wayward and southerly than in Mercator.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Robinson_projection_SW.jpg/640px-Robinson_projection_SW.jpg

This gif below compares the large degree of cartographic projection distortion with the actual relative size of each country.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Worlds_animate.gif/480px-Worlds_animate.gif

[Journeyman]

Australia, it's been moving south-east and I feel like that's going to keep going east from there and then up.


Just a note. Is it possible you're remembering the position from a different map projection?

The one you posted is the Mercator projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection), which is just one of many different map projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection) styles out there. Each one involves quite a different set of distortion metrics. Flat representations of spherical planes is a complicated business. The Robinson projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_projection) (below) is another style and in it, Australia does look a little more wayward and southerly than in Mercator.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Robinson_projection_SW.jpg/640px-Robinson_projection_SW.jpg

This gif below compares the large degree of cartographic projection distortion with the actual relative size of each country.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Worlds_animate.gif/480px-Worlds_animate.gif

This is a good point and one reason I don't base my own ME status on the disparities I see on today's maps, although for sure they are there including places I lived.

The whole aspect of maps, how distorted they are, the false picture they convey of this realm is a rabbit hole in itself. Adding the ME just makes for more confusion.

[Innocent Warrior]

With respect, guys, I'm not a moron.

The changes are far too big for maps to be a factor. To give you an idea of how big, we are called the land down under because we were literally the (as in singular) land down under.

P.S. What's a ME status?

[Bill Ryan]

P.S. What's a ME status?Mandela Effect. :heart:

[Innocent Warrior]

P.S. What's a ME status?Mandela Effect. :heart:

Hi there! Yeah, but what's the term ME status mean? Is he referring to whether he's experienced it or not or referring to a list of MEs, or what?

[Journeyman]

P.S. What's a ME status?Mandela Effect. :heart:

Hi there! Yeah, but what's the term ME status mean? Is he referring to whether he's experienced it or not or referring to a list of MEs, or what?

Sorry, I was using it as a lazy shorthand for being Mandela affected - basically I'm saying that I don't lead on the map Mandela effects in my own list of ME's, although they are there and 'down under' is a part of it.

and I don't think you're a moron either, hope that didn't come across in my reply to Mark. :highfive:

[Innocent Warrior]

P.S. What's a ME status?Mandela Effect. :heart:

Hi there! Yeah, but what's the term ME status mean? Is he referring to whether he's experienced it or not or referring to a list of MEs, or what?

Sorry, I was using it as a lazy shorthand for being Mandela affected - basically I'm saying that I don't lead on the map Mandela effects in my own list of ME's, although they are there and 'down under' is a part of it.

and I don't think you're a moron either, hope that didn't come across in my reply to Mark. :highfive:

No, no! No need for apologies, if anyone should apologise it's me. I've learned I need to dilute my Aussie-ness when communicating internationally for exactly this reason and didn't quite hit the mark (I'm a very Aussie Australian, efficient communicators between each other but often seem too harsh to others).

It was clear to me both you and Mark took care to not offend, so I'm sorry for the misunderstanding and any discomfort. What I was saying was that I'd have to be pretty dumb to post that without considering the variations between maps (I'd also have to be deluded due to the psychic context). Anyway, I should have just left that out.

Now to your reply about your post. Got it, TY, now I'm clear on what you meant in your post.

No, I think it's important to not discard any MEs because of variations in maps, due to the gravity of the nature of those MEs. We're talking about entire continents changing location, that's way out there on the 'that's nuts' scale and the maps issue is insignificant compared to that, especially if the changes are much bigger than the variations between maps.

I suspect it's what Triquetra termed internal hacking and feel there's a significant agenda behind this, which I'll mention if I can actually show that the locations are changing. I also find Triquetra's comment about time glitches and the reversal of cause and effect interesting because I was also struck by a sense that the land masses are shifting in reverse. I think to provide certain conditions for something that was in ancient times (that's mostly conjecture ATM).

I think this set-up is simple enough but also covers all bases like possible changes to scale of grid and any variations of memory between individuals. If anyone can point out a flaw in the experiment I'd appreciate the input (I promise to use my global voice :flower:).

[Pris]

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What is the Mandela Effect? Here's an explanation that makes more and more sense by the day: it's a Deep State psyop, a gaslighting operation. It's an operation meant to con people's awareness -- to mess with people's perception of reality in order to find out just how much they, the globalists, can historically and culturally change while they manufacture a new false history and culture to replace the original one. Meantime, the Deep State -- which is currently 'secretly' at war with the people of multiple nations -- uses the information it gathers to perform the operation of actually erasing existing culture and history in order to undermine and destroy those specific nations it targets.

"A nation that has no past has no future." In war, they say the victor writes the history. The globalists, a cabal of psychopathic criminals, are in the process of rewriting history. This is why we are seeing the tearing down of monuments, the destruction of tradition, the eroding of ethics, morals, and family values, the removal of individual rights and freedom, and the vilifying of nationalism and populism. All that is being relentlessly replaced with a fear-driven, debased, abusive, harmful, divided, abnormal, dysfunctional and perverted death-cult (democidal) version to suit the NWO (Nazi World Order) agenda. They get away with pushing pure insanity (like the manufactured/steered 'LGBTQ movement' and the 'man-made climate change' scam, eco-terrorism) by normalizing insanity. This incredible evil is achieved by controlling all information and media outlets while infiltrating all levels of society as they (the puppets for the Deep State) pretend to be the trustworthy, benevolent, authoritative voices and a force for good. It's entirely coordinated. And, they would not be so successful if it weren't for all the people who buy into the narrative and help them achieve it. Order Out of Chaos, Ordo Ab Chao.



https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/155/988/805/playable/9853b951d8470709.mp4

https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/111682029697245480

[bojancan]

I apologize, if video is already in here... yesterday bumped into.. video is from 2017...

13 year old Genius explains his theory of what the Mandela effect is!!
U45ZL7nBqwA

[Pris]

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Gee... I can't help but think that somehow I'm over the target on this one. Nobody has posted in this thread since September. I come in and post something. Lo and behold, right after I post, I'm shadowed by a particular someone in an attempt, it seems, to undermine what I just put up by posting a dubious video... Fascinating.

(I noticed the comments are switched off on that particular video they posted, how convenient. And, there's no way to determine how many dislikes it has because YouTube recently removed that feature so we can no longer see just how unpopular something is.)



https://i.imgflip.com/7bx60o.jpg

[DNA]

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What is the Mandela Effect? Here's an explanation that makes more and more sense by the day: it's a Deep State psyop, a gaslighting operation. It's an operation meant to con people's awareness -- to mess with people's perception of reality in order to find out just how much they, the globalists, can change while they manufacture a new false history and culture to replace the original one. Meantime, the Deep State -- which is currently 'secretly' at war with the people of multiple nations -- uses the information it gathers to perform the operation of actually erasing existing culture and history in order to undermine and destroy those specific nations it targets.

"A nation that has no past has no future." In war, they say the victor writes the history. The globalists, a cabal of psychopathic criminals, are in the process of rewriting history. This is why we are seeing the tearing down of monuments, the destruction of tradition, the eroding of ethics, morals, and family values, the removal of individual rights and freedom, and the vilifying of nationalism and populism. All that is being relentlessly replaced with a fear-driven, debased, abusive, harmful, divided, abnormal, dysfunctional and perverted death-cult (democidal) version to suit the NWO (Nazi World Order) agenda. They get away with pushing pure insanity (like the manufactured/steered 'LGBTQ movement' and the 'man-made climate change' scam, eco-terrorism) by normalizing insanity. This incredible evil is achieved by controlling all information and media outlets while infiltrating all levels of society as they (the puppets for the Deep State) pretend to be the trustworthy, benevolent, authoritative voices and a force for good. It's entirely coordinated. And, they would not be so successful if it weren't for all the people who buy into the narrative and help them achieve it. Order Out of Chaos, Ordo Ab Chao.



https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/155/988/805/playable/9853b951d8470709.mp4

https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/111682029697245480

I like where your going with this and I agree with the sentiment 100%.

Whitney Web said something to the effect that

The Globalists want a one world government and to do this they need passive pliable people.
How do you get pliable easy to program people?

You attack and break down their identity.
You make them question their allegiance to their country.
You make them ashamed of who they are of their race.
You make them question their gender continuously.
You make them question how to addressee people.
You make them question their sexuality.
You make them question their existence and push atheism.
You take away faith in God, the medical field, the education system.

So what you are saying here makes sense.
Take away faith in history and a personal connection with it.

It makes sense and it's a great addition to this thread.

I'm personally of the opinion there is something to the Mandela Effect and that it is something seperate from a government psy-op but I can see your point for sure. :star:

[Pris]

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What is the Mandela Effect? Here's an explanation that makes more and more sense by the day: it's a Deep State psyop, a gaslighting operation. It's an operation meant to con people's awareness -- to mess with people's perception of reality in order to find out just how much they, the globalists, can change while they manufacture a new false history and culture to replace the original one. Meantime, the Deep State -- which is currently 'secretly' at war with the people of multiple nations -- uses the information it gathers to perform the operation of actually erasing existing culture and history in order to undermine and destroy those specific nations it targets.

"A nation that has no past has no future." In war, they say the victor writes the history. The globalists, a cabal of psychopathic criminals, are in the process of rewriting history. This is why we are seeing the tearing down of monuments, the destruction of tradition, the eroding of ethics, morals, and family values, the removal of individual rights and freedom, and the vilifying of nationalism and populism. All that is being relentlessly replaced with a fear-driven, debased, abusive, harmful, divided, abnormal, dysfunctional and perverted death-cult (democidal) version to suit the NWO (Nazi World Order) agenda. They get away with pushing pure insanity (like the manufactured/steered 'LGBTQ movement' and the 'man-made climate change' scam, eco-terrorism) by normalizing insanity. This incredible evil is achieved by controlling all information and media outlets while infiltrating all levels of society as they (the puppets for the Deep State) pretend to be the trustworthy, benevolent, authoritative voices and a force for good. It's entirely coordinated. And, they would not be so successful if it weren't for all the people who buy into the narrative and help them achieve it. Order Out of Chaos, Ordo Ab Chao.



https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/155/988/805/playable/9853b951d8470709.mp4

https://gab.com/NeonRevolt/posts/111682029697245480

I like where your going with this and I agree with the sentiment 100%.

Whitney Web said something to the effect that

The Globalists want a one world government and to do this they need passive pliable people.
How do you get pliable easy to program people?

You attack and break down their identity.
You make them question their allegiance to their country.
You make them ashamed of who they are of their race.
You make them question their gender continuously.
You make them question how to addressee people.
You make them question their sexuality.
You make them question their existence and push atheism.
You take away faith in God, the medical field, the education system.

So what you are saying here makes sense.
Take away faith in history and a personal connection with it.

It makes sense and it's a great addition to this thread.

I'm personally of the opinion there is something to the Mandela Effect and that it is something seperate from a government psy-op but I can see your point for sure. :star:


Thanks. The one thing you said I must differ on is you saying there is something to the Mandela Effect. To leave that door open, in my opinion, is what allows the psyop to run amok and do its damage. It's the same for the "Flat Earth" psyop. The same goes for "crop circles" which I also think is a psyop. And, so on and so on. Absolutely, the Deep State is laughing at us. The globalists have been implementing their plans and orchestrating/manipulating events and steering society to their advantage for decades if not centuries. Contemptible and soulless, they are expert manipulators.

They have us wasting our time, misdirected, fighting one another over these subjects while they take over our nations.

[jaybee]

... Fascinating.


my thoughts exactly -

I agree with everything you've said about the 'Mandela Effect' in your posts here...

'They' must be preparing for future tampering with memories and history....setting the scene... for example in 20,30,40 + years time they could be planning to 'clean up' the internet and portray Biden as some Saint like person who has all their marbles ....not the doddering old liar that he is.... and Trump..? They will change it all around to make HIM look like the Baddie... calling for insurrection as his supporters stormed the Capital and falsely claimed the 2020 election was rigged... ... .... *

I've got a thread going about Mind Control and the Hippocampus - the Hippocampus is the Brain's centre of memory and 'they' could be tampering with the Hippocampus (jabs and maybe other ways...) .... trying to wipe long term memory and replace it with 'their' version of reality + history -


I confess I haven't read all the posts in this thread and I haven't given the subject of the ME much attention - mainly because I instinctively feel it's probably BS -

:)some time in the future...(maybe/maybe not)...Mirror Mirror on the wall......who was the Fascist one of all..... why Trump of course because Biden was a lovely, honest old man JUST trying to save America from the evil MAGA mob....


Not saying the Nazi World Order will actually get away with all the BS...but they are going to have a blummin' good try... and looks like inventing the Mandela Effect is part of that effort...

cheers

edit to add the asterisk

*.... of course 'they' are constantly doing that now - but not enough people believe the lies yet - so they will need a Mandela Effect boost in the not too distant future....... or at least that's what they are working towards - (if they get away with all the BS and nonsense...)

[DNA]

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What is the Mandela Effect? Here's an explanation that makes more and more sense by the day: it's a Deep State psyop, a gaslighting operation. It's an operation meant to con people's awareness -- to mess with people's perception of reality in order to find out just how much they, the globalists, can change while they manufacture a new false history and culture to replace the original one. Meantime, the Deep State -- which is currently 'secretly' at war with the people of multiple nations -- uses the information it gathers to perform the operation of actually erasing existing culture and history in order to undermine and destroy those specific nations it targets.

"A nation that has no past has no future." In war, they say the victor writes the history. The globalists, a cabal of psychopathic criminals, are in the process of rewriting history. This is why we are seeing the tearing down of monuments, the destruction of tradition, the eroding of ethics, morals, and family values, the removal of individual rights and freedom, and the vilifying of nationalism and populism. All that is being relentlessly replaced with a fear-driven, debased, abusive, harmful, divided, abnormal, dysfunctional and perverted death-cult (democidal) version to suit the NWO (Nazi World Order) agenda. They get away with pushing pure insanity (like the manufactured/steered 'LGBTQ movement' and the 'man-made climate change' scam, eco-terrorism) by normalizing insanity. This incredible evil is achieved by controlling all information and media outlets while infiltrating all levels of society as they (the puppets for the Deep State) pretend to be the trustworthy, benevolent, authoritative voices and a force for good. It's entirely coordinated. And, they would not be so successful if it weren't for all the people who buy into the narrative and help them achieve it. Order Out of Chaos, Ordo Ab Chao.



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I like where your going with this and I agree with the sentiment 100%.

Whitney Web said something to the effect that

The Globalists want a one world government and to do this they need passive pliable people.
How do you get pliable easy to program people?

You attack and break down their identity.
You make them question their allegiance to their country.
You make them ashamed of who they are of their race.
You make them question their gender continuously.
You make them question how to addressee people.
You make them question their sexuality.
You make them question their existence and push atheism.
You take away faith in God, the medical field, the education system.

So what you are saying here makes sense.
Take away faith in history and a personal connection with it.

It makes sense and it's a great addition to this thread.

I'm personally of the opinion there is something to the Mandela Effect and that it is something seperate from a government psy-op but I can see your point for sure. :star:


Thanks. The one thing you said I must differ on is you saying there is something to the Mandela Effect. To leave that door open, in my opinion, is what allows the psyop to run amok and do its damage. It's the same for the "Flat Earth" psyop. The same goes for "crop circles" which I also think is a psyop. And, so on and so on. Absolutely, the Deep State is laughing at us. The globalists have been implementing their plans and orchestrating/manipulating events and steering society to their advantage for decades if not centuries. Contemptible and soulless, they are expert manipulators.

They have us wasting our time, misdirected, fighting one another over these subjects while they take over our nations.


Flat Earth is a psyop yes.
Mandela Effect I do not believe it is a psyop.

There are things that stand out that are absolutely different from present understanding.
For me anyway.
Things that matter considerably more than advertising logos.

I for instance remember Hitler having brown eyes.
I remember as a nine year old boy questioning teachers and my parents and my grand parents and having long conversations about how it didn't make sense his (Hitler) thinking blue eyed and blond haired people were so elevated and prestigious given he had brown hair and brown eyes.
Now Hitler has blue eyes.
This is a real head scratcher for me.
Hitler had Brown eyes and now their blue.

Also
This doesn't seem to be out of the realm of possibility for me.
I've come across enough data that makes this whole thing feel plausible for me.
I'm not saying this is the case 100%
But I certainly don't think the Deep State could have secured every recording of the empire strikes back and changed the lines. Same thing with song lyrics as well.

I'm not saying you're wrong Priss but maybe leave room for possibility especially until you've explored this topic enough to know you don't have any personal experiences that correlate with the Mandela Effect yourself
:)

[jaybee]

But I certainly don't think the Deep State could have secured every recording of the empire strikes back and changed the lines. Same thing with song lyrics as well.



As I said before I haven't looked deeply into this subject - but re what you said above - first I would ask if all the info about this came THROUGH the internet.... ie claims from individuals and examples....

I would also consider that there could have been preparation around this particular film to boost belief in the Mandela Effect...

Also want to add that if there IS something a bit wobbly about time sometimes ---- it could, maybe, praps be connected to (caused by?) all the space/time ripping nuclear tests... of which, it is said there have been 2056 (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/8/29/visualising-the-2056-nuclear-tests-conducted-since-1945) since 1945....

Most of those tests were more than likely to do with experiments in space and time (including travel).... and not as we are encouraged to believe, for nuclear weapons....

so I suppose another angle on the ME could be that the time warps and wobbles maybe caused by the nuclear tests are covered up by the concept of the ME....

just a thought...

[DNA]

But I certainly don't think the Deep State could have secured every recording of the empire strikes back and changed the lines. Same thing with song lyrics as well.



As I said before I haven't looked deeply into this subject - but re what you said above - first I would ask if all the info about this came THROUGH the internet.... ie claims from individuals and examples....

I would also consider that there could have been preparation around this particular film to boost belief in the Mandela Effect...

Also want to add that if there IS something a bit wobbly about time sometimes ---- it could, maybe, praps be connected to (caused by?) all the space/time ripping nuclear tests... of which, it is said there have been 2056 (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/8/29/visualising-the-2056-nuclear-tests-conducted-since-1945) since 1945....

Most of those tests were more than likely to do with experiments in space and time (including travel).... and not as we are encouraged to believe, for nuclear weapons....

so I suppose another angle on the ME could be that the time warps and wobbles maybe caused by the nuclear tests are covered up by the concept of the ME....

just a thought...

Have you ever watched Linda Moultan Howl"s documentary "a strange harvest".
It's good.
No it's absolutely amazing.
Made in I believe 1980 give or take.

Information all still relevant.
At the end of the doc, a woman is hypnotized and regressed.
This part is really good and relevant to your point.

The woman and her teenage daughter are lying down unable to move on examination tables after being brought aboard a flying saucer with Greys that had also taken a cow

The Greys produce extremely sharp keen knives and dispatch the animal slicing specific parts for further study.
The abducted woman is screaming in terror believing she and her daughter are next.
The Greys assure her she will not be hurt.
They tell her that they are testing the effects of atomic bombs.
That they come from a parallel dimension of earth and that their dimension has been negatively affected by the atomic bomb explosions on this world.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

(I noticed the comments are switched off on that particular video they posted, how convenient. And, there's no way to determine how many dislikes it has because YouTube recently removed that feature so we can no longer see just how unpopular something is.)


You can if you install the plugin (https://returnyoutubedislike.com/).

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I can't say I followed everything he was talking about. I don't know if he's a genius or not. But he was using 'Magic Mirror on the wall' as an example, where many remember 'Mirror Mirror on the wall'. This isn't a Mandela effect.

'Mirror Mirror on the wall' is a variation on the original phrase and has been referenced in TV, films, and books many times over the decades. Like the film Mirror, Mirror (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror,_Mirror_(1979_film)) (1979), also Mirror Mirror (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror,_Mirror_(1990_film)) (1990), and the comedy Mirror Mirror (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_Mirror_(film)) from 2012 starring Julia Roberts that was based on Snow White and uses the phrase Mirror Mirror on the wall in that film. It hasn't been changed, or 'erased' from the timeline.

People just misremember, or get mixed up.

Same for Star Wars and a million other examples of 'Mandela Effects'.

Human memory is extremely pliable and prone to error. Constantly. In such an environment you don't need to run a psyop.

That's not to say every instance is the same. I've experienced my own Mandela effect once or twice, and they are hard to resolve. There's a tiny chance -- at least in my mind -- something really is going with this phenomena, something we cannot easily explain.

[Patient]

The problem with the argument around whether or not the Mandela affect is a real thing or not is this;

There are two groups of people. One group has things in the past that have changed. The other group have not experienced any changes.

As both groups of people are correct with what they remember, it is pointless to argue about it.

What we should be looking at is how this happened? And why did it happen to a certain percentage of people and not everyone?

The effect itself was not perfect in it's completion as some things/items were not affected. For example, some items within a Ford engine did not have the "F" change. Why? Was it because it was shielded by other components?

I am not sure that we will ever know the truth about how this occurred.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The problem with the argument around whether or not the Mandela affect is a real thing or not is this;

There are two groups of people. One group has things in the past that have changed. The other group have not experienced any changes.

As both groups of people are correct with what they remember, it is pointless to argue about it.

When it comes to small trivial things it's far less likely in my opinion that both are correct and are remembering two different timelines. What it more likely, in the great majority of these cases, is that one remembers correctly, the other doesn't. Arguments naturally arise when there's no way to prove who's right.

Just recently I had a firm (and trivial) disagreement with my sister over which year a particular favourite uncle of ours came to spend new year's. She swore up and down it was 1983-84, and gave good reasons for that. I on the other hand insisted it was 82-83, and I had good reasons of my own (I am positive I am right). But whatever the case, we are not remembering different realities or timelines here. The year this happened did not 'change' for one of us. It's simply that one memory is accurate, the other is not. With no way to prove beyond a doubt which was which, we simply agreed to disagree and moved on.

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All I know is that Dolly had braces. I am old enough to have watched that James Bond movie several times in the vhs days and on telly. Thats the one mandela effect that I am sure of.

[syrwong]

The Manda Effect is quite convincing for me except that it does not exist in China. Though it increasingly raises interest in the Chinese internet, it is not seriously discussed because of the absence of "evidence". No literature has been found to differ from the memories, or poems, or ancient texts. No art or movies have differ from group memory.

That said, there have been found quite a number of movie conversations that are classical and now slightly changed -- in Hong Kong. But Hong Kong culture is differentfrom the Chinese culture due to the 150 years of colonial rule. Could this Mandela phenomenon be culturally specific? Could it be manifactured by a switch of the digital struture? I would be interested to know if the effect is found in Germany or Russia. The Chinese culture is preserved not predominently by the internet, but by collections scattered everywhere. Hard copies are not easily altered.

That said, there is a recent heated debate in China of a word change newly found in a classical text of Manfucius, a near contemprory of confuscius. Almost every one knows the words of the a famous sentence there. Those who argue it is real M-effect cite the text printed in a school text publication and in many digital images. However there are even more evidence the original is what remembered by 99% of the populuation, and many references support this. It appears that the strong and continuous Chinese culture does not allow this Time-line theory.

I am quite convinced it is true, but the explanation may be other than a diversification of the time line. My evidence of its reality is only one: The smile of Mona Lisa as I recall was definitely not a smile. Her look was more like serene. I was puzzled why it was praised as a beautiful smile. My classmates talked about it and we agreed so.

[Pris]

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The Manda Effect is quite convincing for me except that it does not exist in China.


Mandela Effect. Convincing for you? To convince. To con. To con others or allow oneself to be conned.

It's very easy to mess with people's perception of reality in this day and age. So many people are already mentally unstable. How much of that has been artificially, deliberately induced? First world nations, in particular, are being targeted because the people of those nations are the greatest threat to the globalists (nationalism, populism, individual rights and freedom). They (the globalist criminal syndicate) emptied the mental institutes and made insanity 'normal'. With the help of Big Pharma, they put these people on toxic psychiatric drugs, free to roam the streets with everyone else. Society has become so dysfunctional, they have even convinced sane people to take these toxic substances. Even if you don't fall for it, they make sure you will get toxins into your body by adding them to your food and water. They want you to question your reality, to be uncertain, to weaken you -- body, mind, and soul -- and make you susceptible to suggestion. Recently, they have even legalized illicit drugs to fast-track the societal decay. Mind manipulation (psychological attack on culture, tradition, sanity...) is particularly easy to achieve on the masses in a destabilized, dangerous (corrupt judicial system -- criminals are not prosecuted and are set free to re-offend), fear-driven environment like this, especially when you have control over educational institutions, news media (propaganda) and entertainment, and the ability to perform digital magic with the trillions of dollars at your disposal. It's all about the dissemination of manipulated information and the steering of society on multiple levels down a destructive path as you continuously poison, weaken, and reduce the population.


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It appears that the strong and continuous Chinese culture does not allow this Time-line theory.


In my opinion, the 'strong and continuous Chinese culture' does not allow for this 'Time-line' psychological operation perpetrated against its own population because the government there has already achieved its goal -- COMMUNISM. So, no, nothing needs to 'change' in order to con people into it. Mission already accomplished.

I think the Mandela Effect is part of the Marxism effect -- effective tools used for attack, used as a means to an end: erosion and destruction of the existing cultural and traditional norms of a nation from within -- the erasure of its history, its foundation -- in order to conquer and defeat its people.

[syrwong]

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I think the Mandela Effect is part of the Marxism effect -- effective tools used for attack, used as a means to an end: erosion and destruction of the existing cultural and traditional norms of a nation from within -- the erasure of its history, its foundation -- in order to conquer and defeat its people.

The Mandela Effect is not a theory, it is a phenomenon. We personally experience it. Nothing political or communist about it. If it is mind control, I would be very interested to know how they control our memories. Besides, what point is it to create such an 'effect' when the minds of most people in the world, including most who think they are awakened, are successfully mind-controlled?

[DNA]

Here is a list of popular Mandela Effects.

Most popular alternate memories

51 or 52 United States — (Not Puerto Rico, which is a territory, or DC, which is a district.)

Berenstain Bears or Berenstein Bears – Which do you recall? (Still one of the most popular topics at this website.)

Billy Graham’s funeral on TV. As of January 2016, he’s still alive.

Challenger shuttle explosion date? 1984, 1985, or 1986? Winter or another time of year? (Per Wikipedia, it was 28 Jan 1986.) Also, alternate memories about the Columbia.

Colors – Chartreuse and more – Many people recall chartreuse as a pink or reddish color. It’s actually yellow-green.

Curious George – Tail or no tail? (He’s never had a tail.) This is part of my article about dual memories.

Ghost Hunters TV show — Some remember the earliest show name as TAPS, not Ghost Hunters. (Yes, we know the real-life team is called TAPS, and some of their gear has always said that.)

Henry VIII portrait with a turkey leg in his hand — Many people clearly recall seeing it in history books, but there’s no record of it, now.

Jif or Jiffy Peanut Butter – Jif peanut butter was never called “Jiffy,” in this timestream. (Not confused with Skippy brand, either.)

Lindbergh baby – Never found? In this timestream, the 20-month old baby was found 12 May 1932.

Mother Teresa – A saint before 2016? Several recall her canonization in the 1990s. They also recall her name spelled “Theresa.”

Nelson Mandela’s death in prison, long before his actual death (in this timestream) on 5 December 2013.

New Zealand’s location, relative to Australia.

Red/blue – Pepsi logo changes, Chevron logo changes, and other color swaps… are they markers, cues, or signs to watch for?

September 22nd or 23rd? – Some people recall events shifting from one of these dates to another. (The reaction to this article — on- and off-site — has been disproportionate to its apparent minor importance.)

Sky – Changes in the sun, moon, stars, planets and their moons, constellation configurations and placement, and the color of the sky in general.

Tiananmen Square – Memories of a young man being run over by a tank. (Might be Mandela Effect issue or simple media manipulation.)

Agatha Christie – Never found after her 1926 disappearance? (In this timestream, she turned up 10 days later, but never explained. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie#Disappearance ) [Comments link 1 – link 2 – link 3.]

Barbara or Barbra Streisand? In this reality, it’s Barbra. (“Barbara” is a common typo, but doesn’t explain all the alternate memories. Many people listed the alternative “Barbara” as one of several memories they have. Individual comment links include this, this, this, and this.)

Betty White – Alive, well, and still feisty at age 93 in March 2015. Some recall her passing.

Brian Dennehy – Alive and well, per Wikipedia, but a few of us have other memories.

Charles Schulz or Schultz? (Creator of Peanuts comics and TV shows including Charlie Brown, Lucy, Snoopy, etc.) The correct spelling in this timestream is Schulz. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz )

Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer – Several people have (privately) reported a memory of his recent death. Wikipedia says still alive.

Coen brothers or Cohen brothers? – American film producers & screenwriters. Note: Different from producers John Cohen (“Ice Age,” “Despicable Me,” etc.), Rob Cohen (“The Mummy,” “The Fast and the Furious,” etc.), and Charles S. Cohen (“Frozen River.”) Not the musicians, either. Comment link.

David Soul – As of October 2015, he’s still alive, healthy, and starring in new productions.

Dick Clark’s death… at least two of them. (Per Wikipedia, he died in April 2012.)

Dick Van Patten – Died prior to his June 2015 death in this timestream?

Dom DeLuise’s death. He died in 2009, but that’s not the only memory people have. 10 related comments, some at Comments 2.

Don Rickles – Still alive in Oct 2015 (per Wikipedia) although some recall his earlier demise.

Ernest Borgnine, death reported years before it happened in 2012.

Forrest J. Ackerman – Died in 2008 in this timeline (per Wikipedia), but others recall alternate, earlier death dates.

Fred Rogers (aka Mister Rogers) – Died in 2003, or later?

Freddie Prinze — Several memories, mostly related to Freddie, Junior, and Sarah Michelle Gellar, and a child born around 2003 or 2004.

Hal Holbrook – Born 1925, and still alive in January 2015. His late wife, Dixie Carter, passed away in 2010. Several remember Mr. Holbrook’s own death & memorials prior to 2010.

Helen Thomas (1920 – 2013), former White House reporter – Some recall an alternate date when she passed.

Henry Ford – Died from cerebral hemorrhage or something else?

Houston family (Whitney’s) – Conflicting memories about her children, after Whitney’s death, but before Bobbi Kristina’s 2015 tragic death.

Jack Palance — An earlier death date than what’s in the current timestream.

Jayne Meadows Allen — Died 2015 or much earlier? (She was an actress, and widow of comedian Steve Allen.)

Jerry Lewis – Remembered death late in 2013 or early 2014. Still alive in Oct 2014. (Different from Jerry Lee Lewis, the colorful singer/songwriter.)

Jim Henson – Died of complications from a strep infection, or from cancer? (In this timestream, initially reported as walking pneumonia. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson#Illness_and_death )

Jimmy Swaggart — Report dead, but still alive as of July 2012.

John Denver’s death — When and where? In this reality, 12 Oct 1997 near Monterrey Bay, California.

John Lennon — Date of death is 8 Dec 1980, but some have clear memories of a different date.

John Lennon & Yoko Ono – The location of 1969 “bed-in for peace.” (If you remember this, note the location before checking Wikipedia for the details.)

Jon Bon Jovi – Some recall a startling, mid-1990s lifestyle announcement.

Kathie Lee Gifford or Kathy Lee Gifford? In this reality, it’s always been “Kathie.”

Katy Perry – Memories of her using the name Kate, not Katy.

Leonard DiCaprio – Won an Oscar before 2016? Some recall earlier nominations and awards, as well as his 2016 acceptance speech, but years earlier.

Li Qi – Chinese comedian with a reported death, still alive in early 2014.

Louie Anderson – Alive and well now, but his death (and therefore cancellation of his TV show) at some point in the past. (Not confused with John Candy and other comedians.)

Muhammad Ali – 2009 death? Still alive (early 2015) per Wikipedia.

Neil Armstrong died in 2013, not 2012? Also, some are sure he made a ‘Mr. Gorsky’ reference during his lunar voyage. (Latter debunked in this timestream by Snopes, but does anyone actually recall hearing it?)

Patrick Swayze, his full recovery reported after his tragic death in this reality.

Peter Fonda – He’s still alive. (Not confusing him with his dad, actor Henry Fonda, who died in 1982.)

Peter Townsend or Peter Townshend — Spelling change? (One is a singer-songwriter for The Who. The other is an American drummer.)

Reba McIntyre or Reba McEntire? – Decide how you remember it before visiting her official website or Wikipedia to see the real spelling.

Richard Chamberlain – Did not die in the 1990s. Still alive (as of Oct 2015), and – related memory – James Franciscus was not his brother.

Robert Crumb — Death reported, 1990s. Still alive (July 2015). Artist responsible for Fritz the Cat and the iconic Keep on Truckin’ graphic, etc.

Robert Stack — Earlier death reports.

Rod Serling or Rod Sterling? Some recall the latter spelling, not as a typo.

Rodney King – Some have alternate memories of his death, including one during the infamous incident in 1991.

Shirley Temple — Some recall her death long prior to 10 Feb 2014.

Sinbad – Did he ever play a genie in a major movie? Did he ever play a genie, full stop?

Terry Pratchett – According to some, he died shortly after the announcement of his illness (2013), instead of March 2015.

Will Smith and Jada Pinkett – Divorced ~10 years ago? (2015: Still listed as a happy couple. He divorced a previous wife in 1995.)

William Daniels (actor) – Did not die in the early 2000s. Still alive (<- Wikipedia link) in early 2015.

Yogi Berra (athlete) – Died 22 Sep 2015, but some recall an earlier death.

More events… when and where?

9/11 – Did it happen on 9/11, as most people remember, or on 9/10, as some recall?

Thanksgiving (USA) – The third or the fourth Thursday in November? (Since 1941, it’s always on the fourth Thursday.)

Weather – Hurricane Katrina: April or August 2005, or another year altogether?

Writers’ strike in Hollywood – 2007-2008 or some other year (21st century only)?

More geography

Geography — Locations and sizes of New Zealand. Locations of Australia, Honduras, Japan, Manchuria, and more.

Adam’s Bridge (also Ram Setu, Rama Setu, Setubandhanam, and other names) – Some recall it fully above sea level in the mid-late 20th century, while historical records (in this timestream) say it was partially submerged — due to a cyclone — in the late 15th century. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge )

Alaska – Coastline radically different.

Arctica – Hasn’t existed for a very long time.

Japan – Where do you recall it, in relation to China?

Korea – N. Korea borders Russia? That’s what maps show.

Madagascar – Location and general geography. Not just a map issue.

Mongolia – Part of China or a separate country? And where is/was it?

Sri Lanka location, due south of India, not southeast. (Also see ancient maps at this article about geography changes, in general.)

Wales – East or west of England and Scotland? (It’s west. From London, take the M25 west to the M4, and follow the M4 into Wales.)

More media (TV, films, books, magazines)

Big (the movie) – Alternate ending. (Not confused with 13 Going on 30.)

The Candidate, or The Campaign — One movie, one and a remake, two movies, or now three… and did the title change? (Solved, maybe: See the related HuffPost page. Compare the article title and the inset video clip title.)

Carmen Sandiego (“Where in the World Is…”) – Some recall a yellow trench coat, long before the red one. Comment link.

Cinderella – Some recall an alternate central character or characters.

Cruella DeVille or De Vil? – It’s the latter, in this Disney’s 101 Dalmatians movie reference. [See comment.]

Different Strokes or Diff’rent Strokes? – It’s the latter, though many recall otherwise and some TV listings support that.

Duggars – Was the show (briefly) “21 Kids and Counting”?

Forrest Gump – Was the most famous line “Life IS like a box of chocolates…” or “Life WAS like a box of chocolates…”? In this reality, it’s the latter. (However, both lines were used in connection with the movie, so this isn’t necessarily a Mandela Effect.)

Fred Rogers’ song, “Won’t You Be My Neighbor” – Some recall “It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.” In this reality, it’s “It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood.”? (See http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/wont_you_be_my_neighbor.html and https://youtu.be/zMUGJZrR9Jg.)

Gremlins character (movie) – Spike or Stripe? The only reliable sources say it was always Stripe, not Spike.

Hand gestures in movies – Do you recall different hand gestures in movies? For example, a more elaborate hand gesture by Antonio Banderas, with a candle, in Interview with the Vampire? See the YouTube clip from the movie, around the 2:03 point. I’m looking for very specific descriptions of the alternate gesture.

Independence Day (movie) — Characters now missing from a major scene? (This has been reported privately, twice, and we’re looking for confirmation from others.)

Interview with a Vampire, or Interview with the Vampire – Actually, both titles were used on published book, in this reality. So, this isn’t a clear Mandela Effect issue.

It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, and related topics – Did the Great Pumpkin appear near the end of the holiday special, or was it just Snoopy’s shadow? Was the cartoonist Charles Schultz or Charles Schulz? (In both cases, it was the latter in this reality.)

Jurassic Park – Original movie: Some recall a now-missing scene.

Justice League – Check the characters you’re remembering and see if one is missing.

K-PAX (movie) – Starred Kevin Spacey or Nicholas Cage? (In this timestream, it’s Spacey.)

Looney Tunes or Looney Toons? – Several conflicting memories.

Married with Children – Some recall one character played by two different actors.

M.A.S.H. (TV series) – Some recall the in-series death of Walter “Radar” O’Reilly. However, that wasn’t part of the story in this timestream.

Mirror, Mirror – In “Snow White,” did the evil queen say “Mirror, mirror…” or “Magic mirror…”? (In Disney’s Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, the Queen says, “Magic mirror.”)

Mystery Science Theater — Variations of the numbers following show name (mostly 2000 or 3000, but a few recall 4000).

Sex and the City – Some are sure it was “Sex in the City” when it first aired.

Star Trek memories, including: Chakotay character killed, then returns — several episodes later — without much explanation. (I’ve talked about this — in person — with Robert Beltran, who played the character. He’s sure that version was never written or filmed.)

Star Wars – Was the iconic line “Luke, I am your father” or “No, I am your father”? Also a missing scene. (Not just “deleted.”)

Terminator (and other movie) variations, “remembered” before the deleted scenes were available on DVD. Alternate late scenes and endings reported, as well.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (movie) – Different ending after initial release? Different title?

X-Men – Some reports of alternate abilities for Professor X

[Pris]

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I think the Mandela Effect is part of the Marxism effect -- effective tools used for attack, used as a means to an end: erosion and destruction of the existing cultural and traditional norms of a nation from within -- the erasure of its history, its foundation -- in order to conquer and defeat its people.

The Mandela Effect is not a theory, it is a phenomenon. We personally experience it. Nothing political or communist about it. If it is mind control, I would be very interested to know how they control our memories. Besides, what point is it to create such an 'effect' when the minds of most people in the world, including most who think they are awakened, are successfully mind-controlled?


I didn't say the Mandela Effect was a theory. I said I think it's a psyop. Mind-control does not work on a certain percent of the population. That's our saving grace. There will always be those who can and will resist it and call it out.

The whole point of the psyop is to mess with people's memories, their perception of reality. There's the power of suggestion, subliminals, repetitive messages etc. And, I would think they've got technology that purposefully affects/targets peoples minds as well: EMFs/wireless/microwave frequencies/5G, and so on. By the way, graphene oxide was found in the mRNA shots. If I recall correctly, graphene oxide is highly magnetic and self-assembles when exposed to strong electromagnetic fields. Essentially, you are filling the body -- including the brain -- with tiny antennae to amplify a signal.

Other related subjects to research are hyperreality and predictive programming.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I didn't say the Mandela Effect was a theory. I said I think it's a psyop.

I don't agree with that. Its impact is so low-level most have never heard of it. It's just a fad on a corner of reddit at this point. It's self-driven, and no one is 'orchestrating it' that I can see.

As per the above list... all those celebrity deaths. I've members of my own family who wouldn't be sure, if asked, what my birthday is, let alone the year I was born! These are people I've known my entire life. And people squabble over the death-dates of people they've never met and only heard about once read out on the radio or evening news, and then upon finding out years later the "date of those deaths" are different in their memory jump to the Star Trek explanation of having shifted to a different timeline...:facepalm: They have no idea at all how the human memory works, and the fact that it is extremely prone to error!

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I didn't say the Mandela Effect was a theory. I said I think it's a psyop.

I don't agree with that. Its impact is so low-level most have never heard of it. It's just a fad on a corner of reddit at this point. It's self-driven, and no one is 'orchestrating it' that I can see.

As per the above list... all those celebrity deaths. I've members of my own family who wouldn't be sure, if asked, what my birthday is, let alone the year I was born! These are people I've known my entire life. And people squabble over the death-dates of people they've never met and only heard about once read out on the radio or evening news, and then upon finding out years later the "date of those deaths" are different in their memory jump to the Star Trek explanation of having shifted to a different timeline...:facepalm: They have no idea at all how the human memory works, and the fact that it is extremely prone to error!


In this psyop war, I don't think anything is trivial. In my opinion, the so-called 'Mandela Effect' is not trivial. It helps to lay the ground work with all the other nonsense (New Ageism, aliens, timeline shifts, Flat Earth etc.) they've had people distracted with for decades. This hides the progress the globalists have been making with their agenda. For example, when you are experimenting on animals/livestock (e.g. cattle mutilations) and human beings (e.g. abductions, tagged with implants, impregnated) to test the effects of toxins you've released into the environment to, say, reduce fertility rates (reduce sperm counts, study embryos, increase birth defects, stillbirths etc.), inserting aliens into the mix is the perfect way to throw everyone off your trail while thwarting and making a mockery of those involved in any credible research that is being done to expose your Deep State activities, your crimes against humanity). Instead of having to eliminate people who get too close, you first try to con them, mislead them. You use them to spread disinfo which in turn, destroys their reputations. No wonder the term 'conspiracy theorist' that the CIA came up with to ridicule people who were close to the truth has been so effective. That label (constantly used by the globalist propaganda machine) makes a mockery of anyone with legitimate questions that may harm the globalist agenda. Anyway, all these psyops are like splinters in the mind of society. Definitely, each one has an impact.

People have tragically underestimated the insidious nature in which the globalists have infiltrated and impacted all levels of society. Look where we are right now.

Meantime, the globalists are constantly altering little things in books and movies, making the stories more 'woke', more 'diversified' using what they claim are the so-called 'marginalized groups' as the excuse. This is a Marxist tactic sliding in under the increasing socialism the globalists use as a cover. There's been so many different 'versions' of 'this and that', nobody can agree on anything. And, that's the whole point. People are meant to throw their hands up and say, "Whatever." Meantime, the globalists direct their puppets and mobs to melt down statues like the one of Robert E. Lee and, literally, get away with it.

When Biden did his Red Speech, that wasn't meant for the "Left". The Fake News didn't cover it because the intended target was the "Right". They knew that speech would spread over alternative media. It was meant to anger people, divide people. The globalists are desperately attempting to start a 'believable' civil war. So far, they have failed despite their use of crisis actors, Deep State agent provocateurs, fake movements, and multiple false flag events.

It all works in tandem.

I do agree with you about the human memory. The globalists wouldn't be so successful in their reshaping of society if it wasn't for the fragility of human memory and the mind in general. They know it, they exploit it with every means necessary to break us (toxins, psyops...). They are constantly -- and I mean constantly -- gaslighting us. Many of us have figured this out. We're the ones sounding the alarm. Without us, the 'sleepers' would never wake up.

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(I noticed the comments are switched off on that particular video they posted, how convenient. And, there's no way to determine how many dislikes it has because YouTube recently removed that feature so we can no longer see just how unpopular something is.)


You can if you install the plugin (https://returnyoutubedislike.com/).


I'm not installing a YouTube plugin on my computer. :thumb: Didn't need to use a plugin before to see down votes. Don't you question why they made it a plugin?

Besides, with how controlled YouTube is by the globalists, they are probably tampering with the up/down votes on everything. And, where comments are shown, how many of those are fake? Nobody knows... (well, THEY know.)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I'm not installing a YouTube plugin on my computer. :thumb: Didn't need to use a plugin before to see down votes. Don't you question why they made it a plugin?


It's not 'from' youtube Pris, but an independent creator - to fight youtube. And it won't harm your computer. It's a tiny extension you add to run in the background of whatever browser you're using (Firefox, Edge, Chrome, Opera, Brave). It simply collects the ID of the youtube video you're watching and extrapolates the number of registered dislikes with its inbuilt API. It basically turns back on what youtube turned off by default.

It's a tool designed by, and for, truthers.

Because we all know why youtube disabled dislikes. They wanted to hide the massive ratio (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratio)s coming in against the liberal media complex, being the 'official' narrative of mainstream news, and the puppet media sites who do their dirty work.

Hiding the dislikes was itself a psyop. This plugin is the antidote.

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I'm not installing a YouTube plugin on my computer. :thumb: Didn't need to use a plugin before to see down votes. Don't you question why they made it a plugin?


It's not 'from' youtube Pris, but an independent creator - to fight youtube. And it won't harm your computer. It's a tiny extension you add to run in the background of whatever browser you're using (Firefox, Edge, Chrome, Opera, Brave). It simply collects the ID of the youtube video you're watching and extrapolates the number of registered dislikes with its inbuilt API. It basically turns back on what youtube turned off by default.

It's a tool designed by, and for, truthers.

Because we all know why youtube disabled dislikes. They wanted to hide the massive ratio (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratio)s coming in against the liberal media complex, being the 'official' narrative of mainstream news, and the puppet media sites who do their dirty work.

Hiding the dislikes was itself a psyop. This plugin is the antidote.


Okay... possibly. :) An 'antidote' you say... I'm not sure there can be an antidote for viewing YouTube other than NOT viewing YouTube. It doesn't change the fact that likes and dislikes are tampered with on that site.

We know there are armies of fake accounts and bot accounts on globalist controlled social media platforms to steer people's perception on any given video/subject. Data is faked. How accurate are subscriber counts? People would often complain about repeatedly being 'mysteriously' unsubscribed from certain people (posting political/health content not supporting the globalist narrative) they had subscribed to.

Sure, hiding the dislikes was a psyop. And, just like polls, fakery abounds. Whatever they're showing us - whatever they control - is suspect.

The other day, I did find a copy of that 'boy genius' on Bitchute. So far it's got 12 thumbs down to 6 thumbs up. That's an indicator lol. And, it hasn't even been up for a year.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It doesn't change the fact that likes and dislikes are tampered with on that site.

Oh for sure. Globalist propaganda like you say will be falsely inflated with likes (from bot accounts), but the same isn't been done with dislikes that I can see; they are essentially disabled now anyway, unless you hack them with the plugin.

Subscriptions are also meddled with, there's no doubt about that. Many really popular channels have zero growth any more - their subscriber counts get frozen. I personally haven't experienced being mysteriously unsubscribed from a channel though, but it is going on.

[Pris]

It doesn't change the fact that likes and dislikes are tampered with on that site.

Oh for sure. Globalist propaganda like you say will be falsely inflated with likes (from bot accounts), but the same isn't been done with dislikes that I can see; they are essentially disabled now anyway, unless you hack them with the plugin.


Right. Sure. 'Kay.

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It doesn't change the fact that likes and dislikes are tampered with on that site.

Oh for sure. Globalist propaganda like you say will be falsely inflated with likes (from bot accounts), but the same isn't been done with dislikes that I can see; they are essentially disabled now anyway, unless you hack them with the plugin.


Right. Sure. 'Kay.

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Well I've not seen it happening, and I've been watching for it. Take conservative pundits for example, those who get maligned by 'mainstream' outlets. They boast excellent numbers. Videos calling out the trans op for example, or Biden gaffes, or Disney cultural programming -- all of that crap, these videos get huuuuge like-to-dislike ratios. If youtube were fudging numbers trying to make such content seem less popular than it really is, it would be obvious, and quite impossible to hide. Which is why they don't do it.

[East Sun]

Could there actually have been two different timelines?

Sorry if this has been stated before. Have not read all the posts.

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The above comment is exactly the reason why I wonder why I even bother posting at all in threads like this.

[DNA]

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The above comment is exactly the reason why I wonder why I even bother posting at all in threads like this.

You and me...
We are very similar.
We are a$$holes.
People love us and hate us.

I know you because I know myself.

With that being said,,,, let me engage you.

Do you know why liberals piss you off???

I'll honestly welcome your reply on this...
But I'm gonna answer for you.

Liberals piss you of because they are cowards.
They refuse to acknowledge the reality of this world and as such they live in a fantasy world.

I'm not saying the Mandela Effect is real.
But,,,,

I'm saying you're to much of a coward to hear the situation out and understand it for what it is.
You think you have the world figured out and you're done hearing what anyone else has to say.
That's why you come off like a dismissive, arrogant a-hole.
Now honest to God I love you.
You're honest salt of the earth good people.
But you're also a dismissive a-hole when you are out of your depth.
And until you ask the right questions and come down off you're pedestal you will never have a clue as to what you are talking about.
And further it just shows you are out of you're depth.

You need to ask a few questions before stomping into a thread like a troll acting like you know everything.

[Pris]

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The above comment is exactly the reason why I wonder why I even bother posting at all in threads like this.

You and me...
We are very similar.
We are a$$holes.
People love us and hate us.

I know you because I know myself.

With that being said,,,, let me engage you.

Do you know why liberals piss you off???

I'll honestly welcome your reply on this...
But I'm gonna answer for you.

Liberals piss you of because they are cowards.
They refuse to acknowledge the reality of this world and as such they live in a fantasy world.

I'm not saying the Mandela Effect is real.
But,,,,

I'm saying you're to much of a coward to hear the situation out and understand it for what it is.
You think you have the world figured out and you're done hearing what anyone else has to say.
That's why you come off like a dismissive, arrogant a-hole.
Now honest to God I love you.
You're honest salt of the earth good people.
But you're also a dismissive a-hole when you are out of your depth.
And until you ask the right questions and come down off you're pedestal you will never have a clue as to what you are talking about.
And further it just shows you are out of you're depth.

You need to ask a few questions before stomping into a thread like a troll acting like you know everything.


I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at this. Here, I'll even give you the emoticon! :pound: I knew I'd likely get some strong reaction for my comment and I've not been disappointed.

You may not know this, but I'm not entirely new to this subject.

I'm... fond of you, too, DNA. BUT, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. You may think I'm "out of my depth" on this, but I've come to a logical, rational conclusion FOR MYSELF and UNTIL AND UNLESS I discover something else that makes even more sense TO ME, I'm sticking to what I said.

A$$hole? Yes, I'm one of the biggest, but I mean well and always have. And, I thank you for the fine acknowledgement. You're not so bad yourself. :thumb:

Cheers!


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[DNA]

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The above comment is exactly the reason why I wonder why I even bother posting at all in threads like this.

You and me...
We are very similar.
We are a$$holes.
People love us and hate us.

I know you because I know myself.

With that being said,,,, let me engage you.

Do you know why liberals piss you off???

I'll honestly welcome your reply on this...
But I'm gonna answer for you.

Liberals piss you of because they are cowards.
They refuse to acknowledge the reality of this world and as such they live in a fantasy world.

I'm not saying the Mandela Effect is real.
But,,,,

I'm saying you're to much of a coward to hear the situation out and understand it for what it is.
You think you have the world figured out and you're done hearing what anyone else has to say.
That's why you come off like a dismissive, arrogant a-hole.
Now honest to God I love you.
You're honest salt of the earth good people.
But you're also a dismissive a-hole when you are out of your depth.
And until you ask the right questions and come down off you're pedestal you will never have a clue as to what you are talking about.
And further it just shows you are out of you're depth.

You need to ask a few questions before stomping into a thread like a troll acting like you know everything.


I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at this. Here, I'll even give you the emoticon! :pound: I knew I'd likely get some strong reaction for my comment and I've not been disappointed.

You may not know this, but I'm not entirely new to this subject.

I'm... fond of you, too, DNA. BUT, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. You may think I'm "out of my depth" on this, but I've come to a logical, rational conclusion FOR MYSELF and UNTIL AND UNLESS I discover something else that makes even more sense TO ME, I'm sticking to what I said.

A$$hole? Yes, I'm one of the biggest, but I mean well and always have. And, I thank you for the fine acknowledgement. You're not so bad yourself. :thumb:

Cheers!


https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8b/d1/c7/8bd1c7ea03464fad2a5b28ea3206e633--school-humor-school-stuff.jpg
You know...
I don't drink often...
But last night after finishing a little bourbon I was convinced this was going to start a great back and forth discussion.

I'm sorry. I can see now that was wishful thinking.
I got carried away.
I appreciate you're response here.
You have navigated this situation well.
I had a few drinks and acted like a triggered little b!tch.
I honestly think there are a myriad of interesting rabbit holes that go along with this conversion.
But most of it is pretty out there.

Thank you again.
You have a solid chin and you let stuff roll off your shoulders well. Thank you again.

Anyway Priss,,, I raise my glass to you in a toast. 🥂
Only this time I'm now drinking Tea
Take care

[Pris]

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I'm literally rolling on the floor laughing my ass off at this. Here, I'll even give you the emoticon! :pound: I knew I'd likely get some strong reaction for my comment and I've not been disappointed.

You may not know this, but I'm not entirely new to this subject.

I'm... fond of you, too, DNA. BUT, I'm sticking to my guns on this one. You may think I'm "out of my depth" on this, but I've come to a logical, rational conclusion FOR MYSELF and UNTIL AND UNLESS I discover something else that makes even more sense TO ME, I'm sticking to what I said.

A$$hole? Yes, I'm one of the biggest, but I mean well and always have. And, I thank you for the fine acknowledgement. You're not so bad yourself. :thumb:

Cheers!


https://i.pinimg.com/474x/8b/d1/c7/8bd1c7ea03464fad2a5b28ea3206e633--school-humor-school-stuff.jpg
You know...
I don't drink often...
But last night after finishing a little bourbon I was convinced this was going to start a great back and forth discussion.

I'm sorry. I can see now that was wishful thinking.
I got carried away.
I appreciate you're response here.
You have navigated this situation well.
I had a few drinks and acted like a triggered little b!tch.
I honestly think there are a myriad of interesting rabbit holes that go along with this conversion.
But most of it is pretty out there.

Thank you again.
You have a solid chin and you let stuff roll off your shoulders well. Thank you again.

Anyway Priss,,, I raise my glass to you in a toast. 🥂
Only this time I'm now drinking Tea
Take care


:)

Did you mean to say 'conversation'? Did you see what you did there? Freudian slip? I couldn't have said it better: "...there are a myriad of interesting rabbit holes that go along with this conversion."

I'm sure there are.

Yes, I'm absolutely certain I'm not interested in being converted. :drum:


Cheers again!

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I'm not saying this 100% happened, but to all you naysayers you probably haven't looked into the Peru case which just happened in July of 2023.
That sh!t is crazier than the Florida thing.
It has multiple witnesses.
Camera footage.
Victims who have escaped to tell the tale and who have died.

If you nay sayers were familiar with this you might slow your know it all roll and allow for the possibility of things that don't fit into your logical little orderly world.

This is a weird world we live in.
Giants have most assuredly existed in the past and most assuredly exist now.

Off the top of my head this actually sounds like the tall whites.
The tall whites of Charles Hall fame.
These beings look 100% human with the caveat that they live to be hundreds of years old and start reaching really large sizes when they get over a hundred.

Could have been a casual day out when some kind of camouflage tech had a malfunction.
Could be part of project blue beam thing or to fake an alien invasion.

Could also mean that we are all about to die and beings living long unknown to us don't care anymore if we know they exist due to the fact that we are all about to be as dead as fried efn chicken and they are saying waste not want not.

Cannibalism?
Gathering perspective mates?

Just throwing this out there,,, when Billy Meier asked when will all this end of the world stuff will start he was told look for two things Pompeii erupting and giants coming up from their underground homes and abducting women in Peru.

Who's to say more giants won't start coming out to snatch their goodies now that the Peru folks have started.
Maybe we will see more of this.

Obviously this is some crazy sh!t. Every body knows that.
Try and give us a little more credit.
No one is ignoring the Epstien list.

Besides this doesn't feel like a wag the dog thing, this is being suppressed and hushed.
No media is playing this up.

I just want a place to gather more information as it comes out and be able to share it with folks.
So try not to make us look stupid as we do that okay?


I find it curious that you feel the need to shame Avalonians (name-call, mock) who call out what they think is BS when they see it. You just did the exact same thing to me in the Mandela Effect thread: schmooze me while peppering your remark with condescending insults (to guilt me) topped up with a heavy play on emotion and self-perceived 'righteousness' to 'justify' yourself. I saw the title of this thread you put up (8-10 Foot Tall Beings at Bayside Miami Florida Mall Attacking and Being Shot At) and immediately thought it must be BS (and a total distraction). Nothing personal. It's like you're using reverse psychology when you attempt to shame people who've made up their minds that something is BS.


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Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122489-8-10-Foot-Tall-Beings-at-Bayside-Miami-Florida-Mall-Attacking-and-Being-Shot-At&p=1594492&viewfull=1#post1594492

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I'm not saying this 100% happened, but to all you naysayers you probably haven't looked into the Peru case which just happened in July of 2023.
That sh!t is crazier than the Florida thing.
It has multiple witnesses.
Camera footage.
Victims who have escaped to tell the tale and who have died.

If you nay sayers were familiar with this you might slow your know it all roll and allow for the possibility of things that don't fit into your logical little orderly world.

This is a weird world we live in.
Giants have most assuredly existed in the past and most assuredly exist now.

Off the top of my head this actually sounds like the tall whites.
The tall whites of Charles Hall fame.
These beings look 100% human with the caveat that they live to be hundreds of years old and start reaching really large sizes when they get over a hundred.

Could have been a casual day out when some kind of camouflage tech had a malfunction.
Could be part of project blue beam thing or to fake an alien invasion.

Could also mean that we are all about to die and beings living long unknown to us don't care anymore if we know they exist due to the fact that we are all about to be as dead as fried efn chicken and they are saying waste not want not.

Cannibalism?
Gathering perspective mates?

Just throwing this out there,,, when Billy Meier asked when will all this end of the world stuff will start he was told look for two things Pompeii erupting and giants coming up from their underground homes and abducting women in Peru.

Who's to say more giants won't start coming out to snatch their goodies now that the Peru folks have started.
Maybe we will see more of this.

Obviously this is some crazy sh!t. Every body knows that.
Try and give us a little more credit.
No one is ignoring the Epstien list.

Besides this doesn't feel like a wag the dog thing, this is being suppressed and hushed.
No media is playing this up.

I just want a place to gather more information as it comes out and be able to share it with folks.
So try not to make us look stupid as we do that okay?


I find it curious that you feel the need to shame Avalonians (name-call, mock) who call out what they think is BS when they see it. You just did the exact same thing to me in the Mandela Effect thread: schmooze me while peppering your remark with condescending insults (to guilt me) topped up with a heavy play on emotion and self-perceived 'righteousness' to 'justify' yourself. I saw the title of this thread you put up (8-10 Foot Tall Beings at Bayside Miami Florida Mall Attacking and Being Shot At) and immediately thought it must be BS (and a total distraction). Nothing personal. It's like you're using reverse psychology when you attempt to shame people who've made up their minds that something is BS.


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We were a couple of posts into this thread.
And I might of over reacted and if so I apologize. I simply didn't want to see folks made to feel stupid for wanting to post on a controversial matter.
I apologize if it offended you.
As for the Mandela Effect thread I apologized already to you specifically for that.
So I'm sorry again.


People will only feel stupid posting on a 'controversial matter' (8-10 Foot Tall Beings at Bayside Miami Florida Mall Attacking and Being Shot At) if they allow others to make them feel stupid.

Not at all -- I wasn't offended about what you said to me in the Mandela Effect thread as I chose not to be though I do appreciate your sentiment -- both in that thread and this thread.
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Link to post:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?122489-8-10-Foot-Tall-Beings-at-Bayside-Miami-Florida-Mall-Attacking-and-Being-Shot-At&p=1594513&viewfull=1#post1594513

[DNA]

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Some interesting new Mandela Effects.
One of which was from I love Lucy.

They are trying to say that Ricky never uddered the phrase "Lucy, you have some splaining to do."
I for one have repeated that phrase my whole life as kind of a joke.
I have an old school house hold. My and my wife and kids watch TV from the fifties and sixties and as such Lucy is a beloved icon in my house.
If true this is a big Mandela Effect for us.

The second video they have a light discussion on the Mandela Effect in so far as it being related to CERN

These folks tend to think that if CERN is causing the Mandela Effect it's accidental to their true motives.

I'm of the opinion CERN is indeed at the heart of the MANDELA EFFECT. Too many things associated with CERN seem to point out it is more than what they say.

[Valknut3301]

I experienced a Mandela effect a few years ago which, over time, has grown more and more troubling to me and I can't quite say why. I haven't heard anyone else mention it, so maybe it's just me, but I can't for the life of me get over it.

I had never heard of the guitarist Joe Bonamassa before (roughly) 2017. I have been playing guitar and obsessing over guitar players past and present since the year 2000, but Joe Bonamassa remained completely unknown to me until the late twenty-teens, when I began hearing people rave about him and his playing, saying what an amazing guitarist he is and how influential he is as well, yet I had no idea who he was.
It's only gotten more extreme over time. I now hear about him all the time, yet I still don't really know anything about him or his playing. I've listened to some of his music and (apologies to any Joe Bonamassa fans, this is just my opinion) I find his playing mediocre, not good, not bad, just run of the mill guitar playing.

Where did this guy come from? And why hadn't I, who can name just about every guitarist from the past seventy or so years after hearing only a few notes, ever heard of him before 2017? Am I alone here, or is there anyone else who has had the same Joe Bonamassa Mandela effect happen to them?

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Has anyone on the forum ever had a PERSONAL experience that was clearly a Mandela effect?
By this I mean that you were, an an individual, "centrally positioned" in the Mandela effect.
Maybe it will help when I explain what happened in my case.

It happened on September 6th 1987. I was a guest in a quiz program (a travel quiz, that day about the Fiji Islands) on national TV here in Flanders/Belgium.
That program was one of the more popular ones 40 years ago.
It's important to mention that this program was "live", so it was filmed and viewed "live", no cutting or editing.
As an experience for a young guy (that I was then) it was a pretty exciting event.

While in the studio, the videorecorder (still VHS) taped the quiz at home.
Today I watched that original VHS-tape of the quiz program.
I had not watched it in over twenty years.
But I knew very well whàt was in the programme, and on "my tape" as well.
I watched it right after I came back home from the studio.

One particular scene has DISAPPEARED from the tape, as if it never happened!
A scene where I demonstrated a (kava)ceremony with two coconut-halves.
It lasted only about 20 seconds, but while I remember showing the ceremony in the studio ànd seeing it long ago on tape, it's gone now.

It is a really "trivial" event, but SO obvious. it makes no sense at all, but then again, most Mandela effects are like that I think.

So, anyone else here that experienced something similar?

[Inversion]

Over the years I keep looking at this Masonic lodge/temple formally the Printery Foundation. I lived there when I was kid and I have no memory of that main entrance. In my recollection it only had one door about thirty feet from the left side that was nearly flush with the wall and maybe one or two small concrete or stone steps no more than ten inches deep. I also don't recall there being a second floor. I took a few karate classes in a building attached to it where they also had gymnastic equipment. The instructor had me kicking a punching bag and said this to me, "I know you can kick harder than that." The bag was about three feet from the mirrors (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118866-Bleedbacks-Avataring-Other-Memories&p=1519816&viewfull=1#post1519816) covering the wall. That implies they were one-way, and I was being observed.

Peter Moon Books (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114560-Peter-Moon-Books&p=1440319&viewfull=1#post1440319)

I walked into the grocery store today and the song Sky High by Jigsaw was playing on their PA system which I know wasn't a coincidence. In "The Music of Time" Preston wrote of his theory that that song was recorded in the future then sent back in time. In the 80's he played CBS radio on his employer's PA system and that song would often play then one day it stopped. He called the radio station and they said they had a bad copy. He bought a copy at a record store and all he could here on it was white noise. He ordered another copy and the same thing happened. He contacted Warner Brothers and their master copy just had noise. Years later he was watching an infomercial selling CD's of old songs with Sky High on the list. When the Montauk Project went down it closed the time loop between 1943 & 1983. As the record was made in real time in the 80's it could be heard thereafter. He listed the song Shannon & Beach Baby as two other examples.

The Music of Time by Preston B. Nichols (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?114560-Peter-Moon-Books&p=1432036&viewfull=1#post1432036)

P107. BJM is a made up name for Preston’s employer in the defense industry. He believes the song Sky High by Jigsaw was recorded in the future and sent back in time.

AI Controlled Sim Gearing (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118713-AI-Controlled-Sim-Gearing&p=1500390&viewfull=1#post1500390)

Before the sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day) was filmed a location scout came to my grandmother’s door and said he’s looking for locations and handed me a business card that had T2 on it, but couldn’t tell me any more. I actually let him in which was extremely unusual for me because I’m so distrusting.

Bleedbacks, Avataring & Other Memories (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118866-Bleedbacks-Avataring-Other-Memories&p=1511266&viewfull=1#post1511266)

When I was in junior high art class one of the male students walked over to me and showed me a drawing he did. It was a reproduction of the scene out of the 1983 TV movie The Day After where Jason Robards looked in his rearview mirror and saw a mushroom cloud. I didn’t really know the guy and something external must have made him imbue it into my line-of-sight. I couldn’t find that image on Google or YT.

James Rink Book(s) & Videos (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118606-James-Rink-Book-s--Videos&p=1498366&viewfull=1#post1498366)

In this mission James aged seven & Preston Nichols who posed as his father were sent back in time to meet general George Washington. There was a woman with them by the name of Beth posing as his mother. The three of them were walking in the rain with a horse they didn't want to ride. They entered a stone-built inn and took a seat at a table. They ate soup and bread which wasn't very good. In an adjacent room was GW and four of his advisors looking over maps. James walked up to him and gives him the names of all the spies he thought were his friends which he had memorized while at Montauk. James believes they were there four hours before returning to their time. That's very similar to Andrew Basiago's claim that he was sent back to Gettysburg in 1863. He also said he was sent back to Ford's theater during the Lincoln assassination.

Bleedbacks, Avataring & Other Memories (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118866-Bleedbacks-Avataring-Other-Memories&p=1552045&viewfull=1#post1552045)

Places that song has played. The times are what appear on the receipts.

12/20/20 10:53- Whatever It Takes in Ralphs
01/28/21 13:57- Whatever It Takes in Joann
04/29/21 10:29- Whatever It Takes in Sally
07/02/21 08:33 & 08:34- Whatever It Takes in Ralphs
07/15/21 11:05- Sky High in Ralphs
09/07/21 09:31- Sky High in Ralphs. The song started playing at 09:14 a few seconds after I walked into the store. The gang stalking tactic Enter/Exit (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101585-Project-Camelot-Interviews-Michael-Fitzhugh-Bell-Synthetic-Telepathy-Secret-Societies&p=1501583&viewfull=1#post1501583) was used against me.
04/12/23 11:28- Whatever It Takes in Ralphs. I spent $7.77 and I was wearing a maroon (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118881-The-Entertainment-Industry&p=1526932&viewfull=1#post1526932) sweater.

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/opinion/editorials/v1f3t2/picture59247368/alternates/FREE_1140/bb%20on%20printery

Google Street View (https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/117220427921599366989/place/ChIJEwGnS7zp7IARKdEthJd5l4c/@35.4921182,-120.6667056,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m7!1e2!3m5!1sAF1QipOs2rYf31KxS3gVsYdfXz4_inayNffLqTr6dK02!2e10!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleuserco ntent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOs2rYf31KxS3gVsYdfXz4_inayNffLqTr6dK02%3Dw520-h260-k-no!7i2508!8i1253!4m6!1m5!8m4!1e2!2s117220427921599366989!3m1!1e1?entry=ttu)
https://nslohistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/atascadero-printery-hero-1.jpeg

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Thanks for the examples above Inversion.

Peter Moon and Preston Nichols books are good info and references indeed.

[DNA]

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So there is a Mandela Effect movie...
This is like a five minute explanation of the movie. It's pretty good.

Relying on the simulation theory for reality.
One man tries to over load the program in hopes of switching to a reality where his daughter is still alive.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Here's a new Mandela Effect that has slightly blown my mind. If you're in at least your mid-forties you'll remember The A-Team, the blockbuster TV show from the early to mid-eighties. I certainly do, and very well indeed. It was a staple of every Saturday night (Knight Rider too as I recall). I know that show, the storyline, the characters, and of course that classic GMC van, all black with a red stripe down the side.

But wait...not all black. Turns out, the A-Team van was a two-tone grey over black.

https://bucket.carmodel.com/images/cm-lg/127669_7-6.jpg

A did a little checking, and took this screenshot from the clip posted further down.

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The A-Team - S01E14 Scene 3
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So this is confirmed.

I can't be convinced TV definition (back in the day) is to blame for not spotting this. We had a modern colour TV and an excellent reception. The picture quality was superior to the fuzzy clip shown above! -- and I sure as hell don't remember this.

Anyone else share my disbelief, that the A-Team van always had a grey top half?

[Patient]

Has anyone on the forum ever had a PERSONAL experience that was clearly a Mandela effect?
By this I mean that you were, an an individual, "centrally positioned" in the Mandela effect.
Maybe it will help when I explain what happened in my case.

It happened on September 6th 1987. I was a guest in a quiz program (a travel quiz, that day about the Fiji Islands) on national TV here in Flanders/Belgium.
That program was one of the more popular ones 40 years ago.
It's important to mention that this program was "live", so it was filmed and viewed "live", no cutting or editing.
As an experience for a young guy (that I was then) it was a pretty exciting event.

While in the studio, the videorecorder (still VHS) taped the quiz at home.
Today I watched that original VHS-tape of the quiz program.
I had not watched it in over twenty years.
But I knew very well whàt was in the programme, and on "my tape" as well.
I watched it right after I came back home from the studio.

One particular scene has DISAPPEARED from the tape, as if it never happened!
A scene where I demonstrated a (kava)ceremony with two coconut-halves.
It lasted only about 20 seconds, but while I remember showing the ceremony in the studio ànd seeing it long ago on tape, it's gone now.

It is a really "trivial" event, but SO obvious. it makes no sense at all, but then again, most Mandela effects are like that I think.

So, anyone else here that experienced something similar?

I am glad that you reported this because I had always seen the Mandela effects centered around the North America region and wondered if it was a regional or global event.

[DNA]

Here is an organic Mandela Effect so to speak.
I've done a youtube search and I can't find anything on it.

I'm in the missouri Ozarks.
Lots of forest and woods.
And in that there are nature preserves.
We were in one such preserve enjoying a day at the creek.
Good time. :)
We were leaving and we saw several deer.
Male deer.
I was shocked.
They had tails.
Like dog tails.
These are classic white tail deer
The classical Bambi deer.
I've seen these deer all my life.
Their tails are very small with a tuft of white.
But not these deer.
It was unnerving how long their tails were.
I said something about this and my wife told me that it was a thing, it was noticed by others and many considered it a Mandela effect. So here I am.

[triquetra]

Here is an article confirming (as if anyone participating in this thread ever doubted it) that the Mandella Effect is real - even the scientific method proves that it is:

https://www.vice.com/en/2022/07/20/is-cern-causing-mandela-effect-by-creating-portals-to-alternate-dimensions-an-investigation/

There is a fairly simple explanation as to why - something is causing collective jumps (or perhaps swaps) between timelines, and unnatural high energy particle collisions that are intensely measured by observers, something that only began in 2010 (previous colliders ran at a quarter of the energy or less). If you read the Wikipedia section on this effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#Mandela_effect

You'll notice that importantly enough, reports of this effect only begin around the early 2010s, the same time frame during which the LHC began it's first run.

The time difference between the memory differences and when the mass jump/swap event occurred is also significant, which illustrates something about the manner in which timelines in the multiverse interweave.

It's probably best to start a Prologue thread for Project S(Ƨ) here in the "What Does It Mean?" sub-forum so that the two threads can sit side-by-side.

Project S(Ƨ) will be going into the topic of our simulated Multiverse (and that, in fact, all Universes are simulations from a level higher than it... it's nothing special), and the additional context provided might make this topic of multiple timelines running alongside one another (and occasionally swapping information with one another) make a lot more sense.

In the end, I'd say that anyone who has had the Mandela Effect should count themselves as a soul with a greater mobility within the Multiverse - after all, you were pulled into this timeline where some of your memories are now "false" when others weren't.

[Paul D.]

I normally don't post any video more than a couple of minutes long but this deserves to be the exception.
Cynthia Sue Larson
Following a very interesting beginning of the interview, where she mentions M.E. effects such as reported change in position of internal organs ! & the missing dinosaur in Bolton museum in Lancashire, U.K., new & startling to me, as I very fondly remember, often visiting the museum as a child.(Wow, of all the examples, I thought .)
However the really important part is when she explains how she creates her own mandela effects, when it would serve the highest good .For example,she created a reality in which a locked door to her room was no longer locked, there & then !
It's essentially based on the understanding that reality is maleable.Which I, & I'm sure many others here can attest to.
She has this "radical optimism",where she argues we can collectively change any,supposedly pre -determined outcome for the world An extremely positive point of view, which she made me feel was true 🙂





5N9wC--75yo
50 mins

2024
California institute for
HUMAN SCIENCE
MIND BODY SPIRIT UNIVERSITY
Cynthia Sue Larson, MBA, hosts Living the
Quantum Dream on the DreamVisions7 radio
network. She is author of Reality Shifts: When
Consciousness Changes the Physical World
also Quantum Jumps and The Aura Advantage
Her newest book is The Mandela Effect and Its
Society.
In this interview, Cynthia Sue weaves her own
personal experiences and research with a wider
knowledge based on accumulating over 1,000
instances of bizarre events concerning the
disappearance and reappearance of objects and
people.
00:00 Introduction
07:17 Defining the Mandela Effect
10:25 Carl Jung's experience
13:57 The dinosaur disappeared
17:37 Cynthia Sue's Larson's personal
experiences
22:56 What does modern physics say?
28:24 The simulation hypothesis
32:36 Personality studies
36:30 Reality is malleable
43:23 The "many worlds" interpretation
47:21 Conclusion

Link to her book - The Mandela Effect and its Society: Awakening from ME to WE

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mandela-Effect-its-Society-Awakening-ebook/dp/B0D781KQM4/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1Q252CAT64WHJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.275aXgXtfO4vmBjxhdUkJLY6AjS6Bo1n5hUOlf9-CmXdTp-drLbPHseiR7WMiq5jSGQr1aV0tDjq2pP5VHUV4IuFc-aTAVTK6WU05CpCkdllsPvhh9nHoPqRK9k1ZZ05gmvelk_I_HoD1vtKO3AfWA.AvgP6gPGEvLGgmAjeC6YVJVsW2R3xcU43iQ56pV QjN4&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+mandela+effect+cynthia+sue+larson&qid=1723682139&sprefix=%2Caps%2C81&sr=8-1

[Delight]

I am listening to this now. It is a LOOOOONG almost 4 hours but fascinating to me. It shows me that this construct IS fluid but leaves gaps where we can find the BEFORE to verify the effect.


2/3/2024 Shiva Shampoo and I were invited On The "Rise Above Live" show on YouTube to breakdown The Mandela Effect. Per usual, minds were blown as people had no clue how deep this goes.

This aired on Rise Above Live.

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[BMJ]

I walked past a late model Volvo at my local shopping centre several weeks back and like usual I would look out for the tells to see if something else has change but to my surprise this time around it was the Volvo badge that had gone back to the future.

That is it started out with the male symbol attached to it then for several years lost the symbol and now within the last month at least has gone back to have that same male symbol again.

[BMJ]

A bit of background on this particular mandela effect.

I went to a job interview back in 2012, and a peculiar question came up the owner whom was Jewish asked about my last name and how it is pronounced I said "Masek" in english this is how it is also written Masek.
He asked me to pronounce it the language of my parents, which is slovenian, and I said it was pronounced "Ma shek", the sh comes from a small v placed atop of the s.

He said Ma shek in hebrew, the phonetic that is, means Messiah. ( At the time I didn't think much of this, but after watching a interview several years later I heard this again and confirmed that this was the case by doing some research. )

Now I find that Ma shek is no longer the way Messiah is said in Hebrew it is now pronounced Mesh hach, written Meshach.

It's a interesting and significant change, some one is playing with these timelines again.

By the way the origins of Masek are Czech as my grandad was from Czechoslovakia.

[ExomatrixTV]

Mandela Effect 2.0: Reality Is Glitching Faster Than Ever:

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Mandela Effect 2.0: Reality Is Glitching Faster Than Ever. What if your memories aren't wrong... but reality is? In this mind-bending deep dive, we explore the new wave of Mandela Effects that have people questioning everything—from the location of the Statue of Liberty to the spelling of Febreze, Fruit of the Loom, and even the shape of South America. Is the Mandela Effect accelerating? We investigate the chilling possibility that the fabric of reality is shifting in real time—right under our noses. From glitched logos and changed movie lines (“Life is like a box of chocolates”… or is it?), to disturbing changes in human anatomy, geography, and historical timelines—this isn’t just nostalgia gone wrong. Could this be a quantum glitch, an AI rewrite, or something even more sinister? Topics covered in this video include: The latest Mandela Effects of 2025. Residual evidence and reality anchors (VHS tapes, old books, product labels). The Timeline Editing Hypothesis. The rise of AI-driven history manipulation. CERN 2.0 and the theory of a multiverse collision. The psychology vs. metaphysics of mass memory shifts. The terrifying possibility of a full reality reset. Join us as we break down whether these anomalies are just false memories, or part of an engineered experiment in mass perception. Could the Mandela Effect be the signal of a coming simulation reboot?


00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo) Intro

00:53 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=53s) New Mandela Effects

04:10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=250s) Mandela Effect is Increasing

06:09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=369s) Mandela Effect Theories

08:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=511s) Mandela Effect Data Manipulation

10:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=659s) Mandela Effect Residue

13:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=811s) Mandela Effect Mass Perception

16:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=965s) Mandela Effect Major Events Altered

18:35 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=1115s) Mandela Effect Reality Shift

19:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s961urhXEo&t=1199s) Mandela Effect Wrap

[ExomatrixTV]

How the Mandela Effect PROVES We Live in a Simulation | Rizwan Virk:

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Could the Mandela Effect be proof we’re living in a simulation?

Join MIT computer scientist Rizwan Virk as he dives into how collective misrememberings—like Nelson Mandela’s death in the 1980s or the Monopoly Man’s missing monocle—suggest glitches in a simulated reality. Drawing from his book *The Simulated Multiverse*, Virk connects quantum physics, video game tech, and the Mandela Effect to argue our world may be a digital construct with branching timelines. Perfect for fans of simulation theory, quantum mechanics, and mind-bending mysteries! Are these memory discrepancies evidence of parallel universes or simulation errors? Share your Mandela Effect experiences in the comments! Like, subscribe, and hit the bell for more reality-challenging content.