The Mandela Effect: What does it mean??

[DNA]

Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.
The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.
Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.
Seth states it's like a river, a large river and this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.
From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.


What is different in terms of the Seth Material and this Mandela effect, is that it seems there is not a consensus decision being made in the collective unconscious. We are having memories of various realities among various groups of people, and this screams of some kind of technological tampering.


Avalon has seen it's fair share of "timeline" threads and for the most part I've never bit. I've always felt that spirit would supersede science in this respect, and that what ever timeline alterations were occurring would have to be okayed on a spiritual level, and thus a consensus of the collective unconscious would take place and we would all agree on reality. But if we are now NOT all agreeing on reality, I'm a little troubled as to how far this could go, and have THEY figured out a way for technologically altering or combining realities thus superseding spiritual laws.


Is this CERN? Project Pegasus? The Montauk Project? The Philadelphia Experiment? Tesla Technology?


For an introduction to the Mandela Effect see the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjqZEAIkgE

[ZooLife]

There is at least two ways of looking at this.

Reality altered or memory altered.

Maybe there is something outside these two things that is recognizing the difference?

Can't trust reality, can't trust memory. What can you trust?

Exactly.

[bluestflame]

plenty of history of misuse of tech to alter memories perhaps they've gone global ?

[DNA]

Here are some examples of the Mandela Effect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjqZEAIkgE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQDNcZpoRF8

[ZooLife]

The Mandela Effect is like a glitch in the holodeck.

If the holodeck functioned perfectly, forever, there wouldn't even be the thought that things were not quite right. Right?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1gCG8m1SHU

[Orph]

Hmmmmmmm. Although I do believe in alternate timelines, probabilities, or something akin to that, I'm not so sure what is mentioned in the video (posted above) is proof of that. At least half of the stuff he mentions as having been changed from how he remembers it, ........ well, my memory is that it's always been the same way as it is now. For instance, I remember:

Charles Shulz, not Charles Schultz
Jif peanut butter, not Jiffy
Cap'n Crunch, not Captain Crunch
"If you build it he will come", not "they will come".
Oscar Mayer, not Oscar Meyer
Skechers shoes, not Sketchers
Looney Tunes, not Looney Toons.
Diff'rent Strokes, not Different Strokes
Evel Knievel, not Evil Knievel

A few of the other examples I'm just not that familiar with to really have a memory of. Again, I do think anything is possible, and things can literally change. But it's also true that our brain doesn't always register what is really "there". That's why multiple people will have different memories of the same event.

So, who knows? :noidea:

[Savannah]

I had never heard of this until today so I watched some of the videos and I find them deeply disturbing, unnerving to say the least. I’m 59 yo. I was trying to dismiss it as perhaps slips of memory with titles and words until one video mentioned Eli Whitney is now depicted as white. No way no how, I remember, no I know I was taught he was the first inventor that was black. I am shaken by this. There are a few others I feel a very strongly about such as Jane Goodall and Curious Georg and the Southern Ocean. Many seem to think this is an indication of change in the time line but I think it is a change in the written information on line by TPTB. People are talking about one minute they can google something and it's there and the next it is not. However Orph you say you remember it all this way. What about Eli whitney, what do recall about his race.
I was concerned about the closing of book stores and the move to digital. It gives them the power to change history without burning books. They just go in a rewrite it. They seem to have changed a lot of trivial things such as slogans and product names to see how the world will react. I used to have an extensive book collection but moving around the US I had to give it away. Does anyone have an old encyclopedia? Does it say Eli Whitney was black or white?

[bettye198]

I am just now looking at Mandela effects. I found a good video that explained it.
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But what really got me going was the video I saw that we all saw hundreds of times, the JFK assassination in the car. This guy presents something to think about. Let me know what you see or think.
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[Orph]

However Orph you say you remember it all this way. What about Eli whitney, what do recall about his race.
Not saying there is no Mandela Effect, or any other shenanigans going on behind the scenes. TPTB rewriting history is almost a given. I was just pointing out that the examples given in the first video don't prove much, IMO, as my memory of words and phrases is different than that of the guy in the video. In his memory, words, phrases, and names have changed, so he claims the Mandela Effect. But in my memory, those same words and phrases haven't changed.
Again, I'm not saying something isn't happening. Just saying those examples may not be best way of trying to prove it.

[Savannah]

Yes I understand you remember it that way but other people don't. So I wondered what you remembered about Whitney, you didn't answer that question. Did you know anything about him? Eli Whitney confusion is not about a minor change in how something is pronounced (Oscar Mayer vs Meyer). When I went to google and saw the face of a white guy it blew me away. I cant explain this away. This whit guy is not my reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Agape]

What about the Mandala effect instead . People standing in circle holding hands can always change the course of human civilisation.

No change for better happens without action . We all perceive the need for action as essential ..

because this reality is part of much larger reality but it's still piece of reality we call 'home'

:star:

[Savannah]

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[Bill Ryan]

Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.

The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.

Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.

Seth states it's like a river, a large river and this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.

From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.



I'm not at all a proponent/follower of Jane Roberts and Seth, but I'd pretty much agree with this summary. Time may be a great teal more plastic (meaning, malleable and manipulable) than we may think.

Camelot witness Henry Deacon explained to us that parallel timelines can sometimes be very 'near' to one another, and (like uninsulated electric wires that are very close), can influence each other. Moreover, if they're very close, one can also 'jump' from one to another without being aware of it.

How this is manipulated using advanced technology, is another question. But do read this Camelot report, called Timeline 1, Variant 83.

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

That was the best summary I could put together after a 5 (five) hour conversation with Dan Burisch in a noisy Las Vegas casino restaurant, after he'd just returned from a 6 month project which was specifically about using classified technology to identify which of many timelines we were on — then.

Answer: the one when Hillary Clinton would become president, in November 2008 — soon after which, a nuclear World War III would begin. Clearly, if Dan is to be believed (and I listened to him carefully for 5 hours, and he was NOT making this stuff up... that would have been impossible), we jumped timelines. Because of course that never happened.

What's frightening to consider is that that timeline may just have been delayed, as in a kind of diversion loop... and now we're coming back to the same one, but 8 years later. That would NOT NOT NOT be a good thing.

[Savannah]

I cant tell you how disconcerting this is to me. I have not left my computer all day. I have never done anything like this before. I had an NDE, out of body experiences, channeled and I took it all in stride. To suddenly see my world change, like someone put a new program in the matrix is freaking me out.

[Savannah]

Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.

The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.

Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.

Seth states it's like a river, a large river and this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.

From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.



I'm not at all a proponent/follower of Jane Roberts and Seth, but I'd pretty much agree with this summary. Time may be a great teal more plastic (meaning, malleable and manipulable) than we may think.

Camelot witness Henry Deacon explained to us that parallel timelines can sometimes be very 'near' to one another, and (like uninsulated electric wires that are very close), can influence each other. Moreover, if they're very close, one can also 'jump' from one to another without being aware of it.

How this is manipulated using advanced technology, is another question. But do read this Camelot report, called Timeline 1, Variant 83.

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

That was the best summary I could put together after a 5 (five) hour conversation with Dan Burisch in a noisy Las Vegas casino restaurant, after he'd just returned from a 6 month project which was specifically about using classified technology to identify which of many timelines we were on — then.

Answer: the one when Hillary Clinton would become president, in November 2008 — soon after which, a nuclear World War III would begin. Clearly, if Dan is to be believed (and I listened to him carefully for 5 hours, and he was NOT making this stuff up... that would have been impossible), we jumped timelines. Because of course that never happened.

What's frightening to consider is that that timeline may just have been delayed, as in a kind of diversion loop... and now we're coming back to the same one, but 8 years later. That would NOT NOT NOT be a good thing.

Thanks for the info Bill, at this point I have to agree it looks like the time line has been changed. I don’t pay much attention to popular culture so all the evidence online about the way many remember movies, television stars and music (the focus for most unfortunately) I could not validate. It was until I heard one utube video about Eli Whitney being Causation that it stopped me in my tracks..what!! Whitney in my time line was remembered because he was Black and he ironically invented the cotton gin. Cotton being what Sothern slaves picked (LOL ,on my time line I haven’t checked this one yet). I was taught this in grammar school because of the fact that he was black it w so important, that’s why I remember it. So prior to the info about him I doubted myself and said ,well maybe it was that way I just don’t absolutely remember, until Whitney. I swear on my life and all that I feel is real, the history on the internet is not what I know. I wanted to remain cautious and state it was possibly just psyop and they were rewriting history but now I don’t think so. I don’t know enough yet to say it’s a positive or negative new time line. I can’t bear any more horror and thus I’m hoping for positive but logic and reason in me are telling me it’s not.

[ZooLife]

I'm not at all a proponent/follower of Jane Roberts and Seth, but I'd pretty much agree with this summary. Time may be a great teal more plastic (meaning, malleable and manipulable) than we may think.


There is a lot that could be said along this line Bill mentions.

We all have certain clear memories of somethings versus other things. If there were a scientific method to measure the strength of people's memories and correlate that with any Mandela Effects they come up, the data from the study would be quite telling. I say this because all too much is written down and not committed to memory. People used to commit phone numbers to memory and now I bet few remember the most common numbers they call. And it seems the further one goes back, the more important human memory was. If our memory is committed to paper and especially the digital variety, then our memory can easily be hacked. And that is just one plausible element of the Mandela Effect.

Another thought:

If the Mandela Effect was proven quantitatively somehow, that opens/ reopens Pandora's box to a reality that is more like a wave then a line and the Mandela Effect may be caused by two waves intersecting each other or coming very near to intersecting.

Whatever the case may be, it is subject matter worthy of notice at the VERY LEAST.

[BMJ]

I remember from movies and tv shows:
"Sex In The City" NOT "Sex And The City"
Snow White scene as being "Mirror Mirror On the wall who's the first of them all" NOT "Magic mirror on the wall"
Forest Gump stating "Life is like a box of chocolates" NOT "Like was like a box of chocolates"
"Looney Toons" NOT "Looney Tunes"
"Fruit Loops" NOT "Froot Loops"

In relation to the world map I remember South America being almost directly below North America, Iceland being alot smaller and New Zealand was a lot closer to Australia and further North, with Wellington being almost the same latitude as Sydney.

I have stated this probably for the last year if not two that I believe their is a bleed threw from other relates, (which supports Bill's post 13), maybe these different realities are merging now. Only less than a week ago my best friend was sitting on the lounge down stairs watching tv and she said that she saw me walking down the stair case and then shortly thereafter maybe 30 seconds or so she saw me physically walk down the stairs again.

I stated this fact here on the 27/4/16:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90145-Starseeds-star-child-indigo-updates&p=1064169&viewfull=1#post1064169

[golden lady]

Does anyone have an old encyclopedia? Does it say Eli Whitney was black or white?

I was curious about this so just thought I'd go and check it out in my mothers old encyclopaedias. I did find it in The wonderland of knowledge, Volume 1, Marvels of invention, and the portrait of Eli Whitney is very definitely white. I can't see when these books were published but there is an inscription to my mother dated 1933.

[Bill Ryan]

In relation to the world map I remember South America being almost directly below North America, Iceland being alot smaller and New Zealand was a lot closer to Australia and further North, with Wellington being almost the same latitude as Sydney.


Well, we do have to be careful about that kind of thing. There are many different kinds of map projections, none of them 'accurate'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

http://livelearnevolve.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/peters-projection-comparison-world-map.jpg


Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

[Carmody]

Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.

The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.

Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.

Seth states it's like a river, a large river and this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.

From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.



I'm not at all a proponent/follower of Jane Roberts and Seth, but I'd pretty much agree with this summary. Time may be a great teal more plastic (meaning, malleable and manipulable) than we may think.

Camelot witness Henry Deacon explained to us that parallel timelines can sometimes be very 'near' to one another, and (like uninsulated electric wires that are very close), can influence each other. Moreover, if they're very close, one can also 'jump' from one to another without being aware of it.

How this is manipulated using advanced technology, is another question. But do read this Camelot report, called Timeline 1, Variant 83.

http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

That was the best summary I could put together after a 5 (five) hour conversation with Dan Burisch in a noisy Las Vegas casino restaurant, after he'd just returned from a 6 month project which was specifically about using classified technology to identify which of many timelines we were on — then.

Answer: the one when Hillary Clinton would become president, in November 2008 — soon after which, a nuclear World War III would begin. Clearly, if Dan is to be believed (and I listened to him carefully for 5 hours, and he was NOT making this stuff up... that would have been impossible), we jumped timelines. Because of course that never happened.

What's frightening to consider is that that timeline may just have been delayed, as in a kind of diversion loop... and now we're coming back to the same one, but 8 years later. That would NOT NOT NOT be a good thing.


from: Elon Musk Nails it: We are living in a computer simulation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91117-Elon-Musk-Nails-it-We-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation)

I have not addressed the point yet, but one should try to not have one's avatar emotions get hung up on the descriptive 'computer simulation', as that is not a misnomer exactly.... but a useful descriptive for getting the message through to a given group of scientifically minded people.

Others might might call it something else.

Note very carefully the bit about memory function in the human brain (which is both linear 3d unidirectional time based AND quantum timeless, in connectivity and translation)..and...how the psychic sense of probability works, how it is intimately connected to the other, the so called past. I have described my understanding of probability function in psychic sense and so called dream recall, far better (more clarified and expanded), in other spaces and places on this forum.

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Normally these posts end up in the 'question of lithium' thread, but for today, this one will go here, as it is relevant.

Regarding opto-quantum computers. The march is relentless. Elon talks about the singularity issue, where probability lines have separated and move back to the single point, and then the given event, and then they move outward again.

This is akin to how I deal with the psychic trick of future sense. I describe it (strong probability event) like a small rock dropped into the idea of time, as we know it. The ripples move outward from that point (both forward and back, and also to the sides, up and down, ie alternate dimensions and timelines), or knot of energies. Part of one angle of view of the two ...or pair of two-d sheet/fields in apparent spin interaction, that make up the torus or spinning olive that we have used as a visualization technique......and the interactions which are out of sight in the common egoic linear unidirectional time-space view that the majority of the world shares on a day to day basis..that is the normal view of time. The creation of our past, our history. That dropped rock (knot as intense event) and then ripples can also be seen from the now as future probability. likened exactly to how we see our past.

That your viewpoint in day to day waking egoic life and interaction in the 3d world is based on a common unidirectional ideal, which is based upon systems that are built out of timeless 2d systems in integration, or, to restate: the underlying system your reality and consciousness ride on, are 'out of time'.

(look at my avatar, that's why I chose it, it's similarity to a visualization for such systems)

With regard to the energetic knot or small rock dropped into the 2d timeless field sheets in interaction, the ripples spread backward in time, ie, our history that is seemingly immutable (from our particular time based viewpoint)... they also move into collision with the unidirectional forward motion, in the form of slowly resolving probability. To recall the future, likewise, like a bad or ill remembered memory. To fathom the future from the probability mix, exactly likened to memory recall.

In our latest findings on memory, we find that recalling a memory in the system of the human brain, permanently alters it, it changes it. The refreshing of the memory reshapes it.

We will find that future probability 'recall', Like I experience, reshapes it, it changes the probability, ie equal/matched expansion of the forward wave of the collective boat of the human now... in the timestream.

Which is why the esoteric aspects of the controlling structure of humanity is always so eager to control the current now view of humanity, as it equals the act of steering humanity through time and probability. That humanity can be driven to a future that they desire, into actual seen probability lines, or not.

Thus, the desire for quantum computers to control (or explore) probability, as quantum systems involve spooky action at a distance. Exactly as that of the human psychic timeline sensing of premonition. To resolve probability in time. Artificial mind, AI.. and time-sensing in one single spot. However, therein lies a danger, if some of you understand the idea of what a human might actually be.

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Physicists observe behavior of quantum materials in curved space (http://phys.org/news/2016-06-physicists-behavior-quantum-materials-space.html)

http://phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/physicistsfi.jpg
These false-color images represent the quantum Hall state that UChicago physicists created by shining infrared laser light at specially configured mirrors. Achieving this state with light instead of matter was an important step in developing computing and other applications from quantum phenomena. Credit: Nathan Schine, Albert Ryou, Andrey Gromov, Ariel Sommer, and Jonathan Simon


Light and matter are typically viewed as distinct entities that follow their own, unique rules. Matter has mass and typically exhibits interactions with other matter, while light is massless and does not interact with itself. Yet, wave-particle duality tells us that matter and light both act sometimes like particles, and sometimes like waves.

Harnessing the shared wave nature of light and matter, researchers at the University of Chicago, led by Jonathan Simon, the Neubauer Family Assistant Professor of Physics, have used light to explore some of the most intriguing questions in the quantum mechanics of materials. The topic encompasses complex and non-intuitive phenomena that are often difficult to explain in non-technical language, but which carry important implications to specialists in the field.

In work published online this week in the journal Nature, Simon's group presents new experimental observations of a quantum Hall material near a singularity of curvature in space.

Quantum effects give rise to some of the most useful and promising properties of materials: They define standard units of measurement, give rise to superconductivity and describe quantum computers. The quantum Hall materials are one prominent example in which electrons are trapped in non-conducting circular orbits except at the edges of the material. There, electrons exhibit quantized resistance-free electrical conduction that is immune to disorder such as material impurities or surface defects.

Furthermore, electrons in quantum Hall materials do not transmit sound waves but instead have particle-like excitations, some of which are unlike any other particles ever discovered. Some of these materials also exhibit simultaneous quantum entanglement between millions of electrons, meaning that the electrons are so interconnected, the state of one instantly influences the state of all others. This combination of properties makes quantum Hall materials a promising platform for future quantum computation.

Researchers worldwide have spent the past 35 years delving into the mysteries of quantum Hall materials, but always in the same fundamental way. They use superconducting magnets to make very powerful magnetic fields and refrigerators to cool electronic samples to thousandths of a degree above absolute zero.

Trapping light...

In a new approach, Simon and his team demonstrated the creation of a quantum Hall material made up of light. "Using really good mirrors that are pointed at each other, we can trap light for a long time while it bounces back and forth many thousands of times between the mirrors," explained graduate student Nathan Schine.

In the UChicago experiment, photons travel back and forth between mirrors, while their side-to-side motion mimics the behavior of massive particles like electrons. To emulate a strong magnetic field, the researchers created a non-planar arrangement of four mirrors that makes the light twist as it completes a round trip. The twisting motion causes the photons to move like charged particles in a magnetic field, even though there is no actual magnet present.

"We make the photons spin, which leads to a force that has the same effect as a magnetic field," explained Schine. While the light is trapped, it behaves like the electrons in a quantum Hall material.

First, Simon's group demonstrated that they had a quantum Hall material of light. To do so, they shined infrared laser light at the mirrors. By varying the laser's frequency, Simon's team could map out precisely at which frequencies the laser was transmitted through the mirrors. These transmission frequencies, along with camera images of the transmitted light, gave a telltale signature of a quantum Hall state.

Next, the researchers took advantage of the precise control that advanced optical systems provide to place the photons in curved space, which has not been possible so far with electrons. In particular, they made the photons behave as if they resided on the surface of a cone.

...near a singularity

"We created a cone for light, much like you might do by cutting a wedge of paper and taping the edges together," said postdoctoral fellow Ariel Sommer, also a co-author of the paper. "In this case, we imposed a three-fold symmetry on our light, which essentially divides the plane into three wedges and forces the light to repeat itself on each wedge."

The tip of a cone has infinite curvature—the singularity—so the researchers were able to study the effect of strong spatial curvature in a quantum Hall material. They observed that photons accumulated at the cone tip, confirming a previously untested theory of the quantum Hall effect in curved space.

Despite 20 years of interest, this is the first time an experiment has observed the behavior of quantum materials in curved space. "We are beginning to make our photons interact with each other," said Schine. "This opens up many possibilities, such as making crystalline or exotic quantum liquid states of light. We can then see how they respond to spatial curvature."

The researchers say this could be useful for characterizing a certain type of quantum computer that is built of quantum Hall materials.

"While quantum Hall materials were discovered in the '80s, they continue to reveal their fascinating secrets to this day," said Simon. "The final frontier is exploring the interplay of these beautiful materials with the curvature of space. That is what we've begun to explore with our photons."

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The danger is in taking Thales AI model and combining it with quantum optical systems such as this.

[Carmody]

What's frightening to consider is that that timeline may just have been delayed, as in a kind of diversion loop... and now we're coming back to the same one, but 8 years later. That would NOT NOT NOT be a good thing.


Recall Charles statement that their (controlling group) actions and plans are event triggered, event sequenced .....and not concerned with specific time aspects of 'get it done now'. Ie, that to steer humanity, and in analysis of temporal aspects.... it's a case of event sequencing and triggering, over that of specific 'now' times. Certain things.... must be completed .....in a very specific order.

Which, in the hindsight of analysis, is only correct.

in order for humanity to survive this transition, humanity must learn these things, but the problem is that humanity is.. in it's current state..let's face it....humanity is more than a bit grabastic. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grabastic) (in my usage--- chaotically incompetent and in free fall, holding one's own ass in fear as a clung to attempt to stop the falling)

The more humanity is fear driven the more their probability aspects align (due to avatar commonalities that emerge strongly as event perception creates the herd effect) and the more predictable they become and thus more capable of being steered.

These items become the 'stones dropped in the pond' ripple effect points that are seen in future sense viewing, and after the event has passed, become our 'history'. Probability line convergences.

Such a reality has a tendency to become muddled and mired in paradox in the standard human viewpoint of unidirectional linear time, as there is no possible comparative for temporal convergence in such a consciousness system/framework.

[Carmody]

Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

this gets back to the idea of consciousness and our minds being of a quantum nature, and how the offices of naval research stated in one study, that DNA was superconductive, and if superconductive (my explanation which science is now proposing), thus, 'outside of time'.

Neurons are physical,and electrical, and electricity is plasma and plasma is electrons, and in connectivity with one another and are essential to the idea of superconductivity. And all reality, for that ,er, matter (pun intended). Our fault lies in our measurement tools..... which revert back to time based systems. So we don't see or understand it, in the idea and expression of mundane engineered scientific method, tool, and protocol.


An important point is that superconductivity is out of time and if DNA is superconductive it is also outside of time, within some aspects and so are all "atomic" structures, but we don't see that particular aspect in our day to day lives. Instant timeless spooky action at a distance, is the issue at hand.

In Lynn McTaggart's book' the Field', the meta studies done on psychic research, a specific one..where three scientific groups had a testing of psychic capacities proposed to them.

Proposed by a group who had a good idea and wanted to test it, conclusively. They noticed something in all the psychic tests done and zeroed in on the issue.

All three groups agreed, that the test was absolutely foolproof, and that psychic sensitivity would be completely factually proven to be one way or another, in strict scientific protocol, in utter perfection.

A done deal, forever, "the end", no more doubt or discussion... with dynamite and a hammer. "**** you universe, this is it this is the ultimate truth" kinda thing, each group to be smug and satisfied in the results.

The three scientific test groups groups were carefully selected.

Group one was made up of non believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group two was made up of believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group three was made up of agnostics in psychic sensitivity.

they each completed the tests they said, beforehand, tests that were absolutely faultless and they staked their ass and reputations on this. After all, this is the sort of thing they do for a living and by training ---day in and day out.

group one, the non believers, found a negative result, that psychic sensitivity was garbage, it does not exist.

Group two, found that to a level that was beyond the capacity to ignore or put away, that people had/have psychic sensitivity, that it was unstoppably real, undeniably real, no possibility of proving their results wrong.

The agnostic group, who was open to anything, open to there being no psychic sensitivity and there being actual psychic sensitivity..their results were totally ambiguous. Their results were in the middle, that it could be said real and not real, it could go, or be read in their results..as being either way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This leaves you with the startling conclusion that humans integrate, in consciousness, with the idea of reality... that reality is 100% malleable via consciousness, from our point of view.

that we can steer through time and probability and steer through reality formation, even making and breaking reality, dimensionality, atomically, and with respect to time and timelines.

That all is real and nothing is real, in simultaneous function and form.

That the universe is as Max Plank, the father of quantum sciences said, an intelligence, a consciousness.

That you are of it and it is of you.

If you don't want to believe or understand this, well, you can make this happen.

If you want to believe and understand this, well, you can make that happen.

that reality is literally, in all ways possible, what you make of it, collectively and individually.

~~~~~~~~~~

So we then come to the idea of a controlling group who wants to control people's perception, to make sure humanity remains as a commodity, a owned unintelligent, uninformed thing. A tool and toy for their use, whatever that may be. What game is this, exactly?

If you want intelligence, if you want to understand, if you want to expand...you'll have to make that happen. Literally. If you want the training wheels to come off, you'll have to navigate this transition period and position, very very carefully.

Humanity's first wobbly unassisted bike ride.

[Inversion]

What jumped out at me was the line in Field of Dreams (Build it and they will come -vs- Build it and he will come). I immediately thought of Lucifer as being HE. There was an interesting tell in the movie Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where they were building Mark 2 which was another version of Earth. Maybe there was a major catastrophe like the sun expanding to a red giant or Ed Dames killshot and we were relocated to Mark 2.

[Carmody]

See my prior post in this thread, which explains the truth in what I'm saying in this post.

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If you want a Lucifer, and dwell on it, you can have one. If your monkey emotion avatar projections, in collective herd type imaginings want it, you can have it.

If you understand the Lucifer thingie is meaningless and does not exist, you can have that too.

A careful read of biblical and associated texts, will show you interesting points, which are that both lucifer and god, individually say the same thing, which is: that it is your belief in them is required for them to exist.

That your ass, your consciousness aspects as a creator, are the will and drive that allow each to be.

So, getting caught up in organized religion and associated grabastic circular logic entrapments, specifically that of Luciferian or god type scenarios, is utter bullsh!it. It is humanity staring in the mirror and masturbating reality into existence, into a bad dream.

That's what Abrahamic penis cutting religions/cults/indoctrinations..... are all about.

Don't feed the dynamite monkey.

[DNA]

I remember from movies and tv shows:
"Sex In The City" NOT "Sex And The City"
Snow White scene as being "Mirror Mirror On the wall who's the first of them all" NOT "Magic mirror on the wall"
Forest Gump stating "Life is like a box of chocolates" NOT "Like was like a box of chocolates"
"Looney Toons" NOT "Looney Tunes"
"Fruit Loops" NOT "Froot Loops"

In relation to the world map I remember South America being almost directly below North America, Iceland being alot smaller and New Zealand was a lot closer to Australia and further North, with Wellington being almost the same latitude as Sydney.

I have stated this probably for the last year if not two that I believe their is a bleed threw from other relates, (which supports Bill's post 13), maybe these different realities are merging now. Only less than a week ago my best friend was sitting on the lounge down stairs watching tv and she said that she saw me walking down the stair case and then shortly thereafter maybe 30 seconds or so she saw me physically walk down the stairs again.

I stated this fact here on the 27/4/16:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90145-Starseeds-star-child-indigo-updates&p=1064169&viewfull=1#post1064169

Greetings BMJ
I agree with all of your statements in terms of how I remembered things as well.
Further
I remember Hitler having brown eyes and brown hair. Apparently I've read now Hitler had blue eyes and brown hair.
I remember the Kid in Tianamen square being ran over by the tank, apparently in this reality he was pulled away by Chinese authorities and never seen again.
The Star Wars thing got me, but those movies have been admittedly redone through digitial effect and what not, so maybe that waschanged recently.
I'll admit the geographical map thing is different, but I've heard in the past western policy was to change certain aspects of the world to make Europe and America look bigger and a recent push was done to make the world as it really is,so maybe what we are seeing is a result of that.
Probably one of the biggest eye openers for me was The Brady Bunch Variety Hour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhObKKvzijc). I'm of the age where I just should have seen this at some time, and this is #1 for my wife, who is a self professed Brady Bunch Trivia Expert. The kind of expert who knew all of the actor's names and biography.
Interview with A Vampire vs Interview with THE vampire. I'm positive it was with an A, as I went through a crushed velvet stage where I was listening to The Smiths and shopping at Hot Topic while reading all of the books.

Oh yea, hey Inversion, That line from Field of Dreams got me too. If you build it THEY will come,,, not if you build it HE will come.
That was top three for me as far as shocking me.

[DNA]

In relation to the world map I remember South America being almost directly below North America, Iceland being alot smaller and New Zealand was a lot closer to Australia and further North, with Wellington being almost the same latitude as Sydney.


Well, we do have to be careful about that kind of thing. There are many different kinds of map projections, none of them 'accurate'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

http://livelearnevolve.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/peters-projection-comparison-world-map.jpg


Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

Thanks Bill
This was pure gold.

[sunwings]

The snow white (1937) Mandela effect is another interesting Study. We all remember the famous Line "Mirror Mirror on the Wall" however in actual fact she says "Magic Mirror on the wall." I have checked three copies including a 30 year old VHS tape/ DVD/ Youtube and even Spainsh Versions. They all say "Magic Mirror or Espejo Magico" All my friends and family remember clearly "Mirror Mirror" and the vast number of "Mirror Mirror..." products on pinterest support this version of events. Several people have old Disney books which clearly state "Mirror Mirror" thus as Bill Said disproving the Mandela effect as all copies would have to change. If these videos are to be believed. The easiest explanation would be false memories but How could everyone remember is so incorrectly? I offer no answers...but welcome any input on this Snow White topic. Some people have claimed its a digital information modification programs to alter videos in order to find out how peoples knowledge of the past can be altered. However the truth is either my memory is wrong or something happened which changed my VHS tape´s memory.

[BMJ]

One Possible explanation for the Mandela Effect, link: http://www.zengardner.com/63843-2/


The Mandela Effect & the Merging of Two Parallel Realities
By Carlos Tavares -
28/05/2016

Some people have noticed that things as they are now are not how they remember them as being before. This concept is called the “Mandela Effect”, because some people remember Mr Mandela dying in prison, but in “this” our current reality/version he became president and only died in 2013.

There are many such examples and many more to be revealed as people become aware of this concept and actually start to check up on things. Most commonly people remember the name of certain books or titles of movies being called something just “slightly” different but NOT what it is now, or the words in phrases in old books being different now. In some cases both realities are present with one ‘version’ being more dominant than the other!

I have had several personal experiences with the Mandela Effect, and after some time you yourself even begin to doubt and wonder if you are imagining the difference between the ‘now’ version and the ‘then’ version, because this reality is now the dominant “material external collective”, and is constantly re-enforcing (forcing) its “proof/reality”!

I have a friend who remembers an entire building on the corner of a street in JHB, which simply is not there in this reality. As the cosmic law and ritual states that The Powers That Be have to tell you what is happening somehow, those that have seen the “Fringe” TV series will have had a clue and be able to grasp this quicker.

The big thing for me was watching a recent clip where he was talking about the positions and shapes of entire landmasses and continents. I was good at Geography at school, so when I heard him saying certain things I actually stopped the video to see for myself on my own Globe, because I did not believe what he was saying. After confirming that my globe too was NOT what I remembered I continued to watch, but regularly stopped the video as he mentioned other places. Watch here.

This article I am writing specifically for the people that REMEMBER things differently, not for the masses who are aware of no change, as it would be very difficult to explain something to them that is different to what they can actually see and prove at present, in this reality.

Some teachings have said that the Earth (in Old reality timelines) has always destroyed itself or been destroyed by a nuclear World War 3 during the 1980s or by massive natural Earth Changes, and has never been able to go past the year 2012. I remember going to town a week after the whole 2012 “thing” and feeling so weird and out of place, like a dreamscape. With time I slowly started to accept and integrate this reality!

So what I am thinking is that the people that NOW are noticing events, things and places that were different before, compared to this reality, are the people from the old parallel that have merged with this new parallel. They have been transferred to this parallel Earth reality and by doing so “absorbed” themselves in this reality into one person. (Same soul and spirit though!) It is interesting that the people reporting all these different cases are the more awakened and spiritual people, so what I am saying is that the people who had awoken enough, with enough knowledge, wisdom, action and spirituality who had the potential for FUTURE continuation, were the ones transferred. The rest of the masses I would say actually died in some extinction level event on our original parallel reality/timeline. (In this Parallel are the “copies/duplicates” of those people which are all around that do not remember!)

So in other words we jumped from one Parallel Earth Reality to another, one that was close enough in space and frequency…ALMOST exactly the same!

(and with some eternal help involved?!) If this is true, then hypothetically this reality may not be much better than the old one as this civilization/parallel too continues to collapse in on it self and destroy this planet as well. So was it done to just buy some time and are we about to go through yet another merging process? Each merge being an upgrade to a higher reality with more future potential. Like in the movie “The One”, where Jet Li goes from one parallel to the next and every time he kills his other he becomes more powerful. In our case we may be slowly collecting the lost pieces of our fragmented selves with every merge?!

I was also wondering if this is the reason for many people reporting that they are continuously seeing double numbers, i.e. 11:11, if it is not the subconscious mind telling us something!??? Pointing directly to the Double realities? Furthermore is this why some people are seeing two (very similar) suns when conditions are just right? Is there another Earth Parallel close to us in frequency again? (No it is not Nibiru! Not every anomaly has to be Nibiru!) It appears we are experiencing more and more strangeness and should be aware of such anomalies.

[sunwings]

The big thing for me was watching a recent clip where he was talking about the positions and shapes of entire landmasses and continents. I was good at Geography at school, so when I heard him saying certain things I actually stopped the video to see for myself on my own Globe, because I did not believe what he was saying. After confirming that my globe too was NOT what I remembered I continued to watch, but regularly stopped the video as he mentioned other places. Watch here. .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e47ZZKJjI8

First you didn´t insert the video so I have done so. Thanks for your piece Carlos I found it very enlightening. Especially the 11:11 its something i see several times a week and it struck me as a possibility. The reason I am responding is because I love geography and I used to spend every night starring at a huge map stuck on my wall when i was a child. When I watched the Video I kept bursting out laughing like you would when a magician tells you this is your card. Korea, Sri Lanka, Sicily and South America don´t physically match my childhood memories but I say this without much conviction but more out of gut instinct. Im hoping this thread will keep growing because I am certain there is more to this and the more experiences we account for we might catch a glimpse of something behind the curtain.

[Carmody]

Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

this gets back to the idea of consciousness and our minds being of a quantum nature, and how the offices of naval research stated in one study, that DNA was superconductive, and if superconductive (my explanation which science is now proposing), thus, 'outside of time'.

Neurons are physical,and electrical, and electricity is plasma and plasma is electrons, and in connectivity with one another and are essential to the idea of superconductivity. And all reality, for that ,er, matter (pun intended). Our fault lies in our measurement tools..... which revert back to time based systems. So we don't see or understand it, in the idea and expression of mundane engineered scientific method, tool, and protocol.


An important point is that superconductivity is out of time and if DNA is superconductive it is also outside of time, within some aspects and so are all "atomic" structures, but we don't see that particular aspect in our day to day lives. Instant timeless spooky action at a distance, is the issue at hand.

In Lynn McTaggart's book' the Field', the meta studies done on psychic research, a specific one..where three scientific groups had a testing of psychic capacities proposed to them.

Proposed by a group who had a good idea and wanted to test it, conclusively. They noticed something in all the psychic tests done and zeroed in on the issue.

All three groups agreed, that the test was absolutely foolproof, and that psychic sensitivity would be completely factually proven to be one way or another, in strict scientific protocol, in utter perfection.

A done deal, forever, "the end", no more doubt or discussion... with dynamite and a hammer. "**** you universe, this is it this is the ultimate truth" kinda thing, each group to be smug and satisfied in the results.

The three scientific test groups groups were carefully selected.

Group one was made up of non believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group two was made up of believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group three was made up of agnostics in psychic sensitivity.

they each completed the tests they said, beforehand, tests that were absolutely faultless and they staked their ass and reputations on this. After all, this is the sort of thing they do for a living and by training ---day in and day out.

group one, the non believers, found a negative result, that psychic sensitivity was garbage, it does not exist.

Group two, found that to a level that was beyond the capacity to ignore or put away, that people had/have psychic sensitivity, that it was unstoppably real, undeniably real, no possibility of proving their results wrong.

The agnostic group, who was open to anything, open to there being no psychic sensitivity and there being actual psychic sensitivity..their results were totally ambiguous. Their results were in the middle, that it could be said real and not real, it could go, or be read in their results..as being either way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This leaves you with the startling conclusion that humans integrate, in consciousness, with the idea of reality... that reality is 100% malleable via consciousness, from our point of view.

that we can steer through time and probability and steer through reality formation, even making and breaking reality, dimensionality, atomically, and with respect to time and timelines.

That all is real and nothing is real, in simultaneous function and form.

That the universe is as Max Plank, the father of quantum sciences said, an intelligence, a consciousness.

That you are of it and it is of you.

If you don't want to believe or understand this, well, you can make this happen.

If you want to believe and understand this, well, you can make that happen.

that reality is literally, in all ways possible, what you make of it, collectively and individually.

~~~~~~~~~~

So we then come to the idea of a controlling group who wants to control people's perception, to make sure humanity remains as a commodity, a owned unintelligent, uninformed thing. A tool and toy for their use, whatever that may be. What game is this, exactly?

If you want intelligence, if you want to understand, if you want to expand...you'll have to make that happen. Literally. If you want the training wheels to come off, you'll have to navigate this transition period and position, very very carefully.

Humanity's first wobbly unassisted bike ride.

Quantum 1, classical 0: Bell nonlocality universally confirmed in any large communication complexity advantage (http://phys.org/news/2016-06-quantum-classical-bell-nonlocality-universally.html)


The relationship between communication complexity problems, Bell nonlocal correlations and the advantage of quantum over classical strategies has long been recognized, but has been confirmed in only two problems. Recently, however, scientists at University of Cambridge, University of Amsterdam, CWI, QuSoft, Gdansk University, Gdansk University of Technology, Adam Mickiewicz University, and Jagiellonian University employed a two-part method based on port-based teleportation – a scheme of quantum teleportation where a receiver has multiple (N) output ports and obtains the teleported state by merely selecting one of the N ports1,2. The researchers used the quantum protocol based on the given communication complexity game to construct a set of quantum measurements on a maximally entangled state to show that any large advantage over the best known classical strategy makes use of Bell nonlocal correlations. In so doing, the researchers assert, they have provided the missing link to the fundamental equivalence between Bell nonlocality and quantum advantage. Moreover, their results have significant implications for classical information processing and the development of more efficient teleportation protocols.


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What the new article, from June 14th, 2016, is saying, is that non local 'out of time' connectivity in systems, is real. It is functional. Proven.

That what I said above, science has created a test protocol and enacted the tests, and found it to be true. Not the psychic sensitivity tests from the researchers, but hard science in the world of quantum communications.

That the two testing protocols and results, confirm one another, separately. That a hard science cross correlation has appeared.

so, you know what that means. That you really, really, seriously...... need to get a hold of yourself. Big time.

That if you want a good outcome, you'd better learn to drive correctly, and dump the panic mode.... as the animal drive of looking for the threat coming out at you from the tall grass, is really... a bunch of crap.

You end up creating that reality, simply by being it. And that this change, has to come from the deepest parts of you, the ones that create thought...down in the hindbrain, which is emotional and animal.





In a theory in which parameters are added to quantum mechanics to determine the results of individual measurements, without changing the statistical predictions, there must be a mechanism whereby the setting of one measuring device can influence the reading of another instrument, however remote. Moreover, the signal involved must propagate instantaneously, so that such a theory could not be Lorentz invariant.[4]

Bell summarized one of the least popular ways to address the theorem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem), superdeterminism, in a 1985 BBC Radio interview:

There is a way to escape the inference of superluminal speeds and spooky action at a distance. But it involves absolute determinism in the universe, the complete absence of free will. Suppose the world is super-deterministic, with not just inanimate nature running on behind-the-scenes clockwork, but with our behavior, including our belief that we are free to choose to do one experiment rather than another, absolutely predetermined, including the ‘decision’ by the experimenter to carry out one set of measurements rather than another, the difficulty disappears. There is no need for a faster-than-light signal to tell particle A what measurement has been carried out on particle B, because the universe, including particle A, already ‘knows’ what that measurement, and its outcome, will be.[5]

[Savannah]

As I said I can agree that many of the examples given I can’t be certain of but some of them I can, like the Whitny example. Another is Jane Goodall who in my memory worked with Gorillas, again I’m sure of it. The move Ghorellas in the Mist was about Jane Goodall, not this Fossie women I have never heard of. The other one is the human skeleton that I remember as not having lower closed ribs or a large long sternum. This is particularly interesting to me and may indicate this time line has experienced different genetic manipulations by possibly different ET’s or differing agendas? I was reading David Ickes forum about ME and they identified a few things specific to their culture, but mostly discussed those discrepancies noted on the web.

[Savannah]

The snow white (1937) Mandela effect is another interesting Study. We all remember the famous Line "Mirror Mirror on the Wall" however in actual fact she says "Magic Mirror on the wall." I have checked three copies including a 30 year old VHS tape/ DVD/ Youtube and even Spainsh Versions. They all say "Magic Mirror or Espejo Magico" All my friends and family remember clearly "Mirror Mirror" and the vast number of "Mirror Mirror..." products on pinterest support this version of events. Several people have old Disney books which clearly state "Mirror Mirror" thus as Bill Said disproving the Mandela effect as all copies would have to change. If these videos are to be believed. The easiest explanation would be false memories but How could everyone remember is so incorrectly? I offer no answers...but welcome any input on this Snow White topic. Some people have claimed its a digital information modification programs to alter videos in order to find out how peoples knowledge of the past can be altered. However the truth is either my memory is wrong or something happened which changed my VHS tape´s memory.

This is why I first asked about old books and as Golden Lady was was nice enough to check for me even old books have cahnged, thus non digital media have changed. Therefore as Bill noted this is a reality shift not just a manipulation of digital data.

[Bill Ryan]

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I'd like to join in this discussion... slowly and very carefully, as I mention in my copied post below. :)

First‚ can any British member post some examples of Mandela Effect-type apparent anomalies that would be significant to someone who'd grown up in England? Many of the small things being referred to are American, quite unknown to Brits. This is a serious request... I'd be very interested.

I posted here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91296-Our-Solar-System-is-Moving-into-a-Potentially-Dangerous-Interstellar-Energy-Cloud&p=1074996&viewfull=1#post1074996) just now:





I do think there may be something to the Mandela Effect phenomenon.

Some of the YouTube commenters seem not to understand very well how a timeline jump would actually work (and they can be forgiven for that) — but I do think there may be something highly strange happening that isn't just a matter of people's poor memory or logic. We need to go pretty slowly and carefully with that kind of thing... it's a real hall of mirrors.

* My earlier post was this one:





So you were mentioning some information from Dan Burisch regarding Timeline 1, Variant 83 on another thread. You gave the link for here http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html. (http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html)
[ ... ]
With Hillary getting the possible nod now as president, and our now moving through a predicted high energy area of the galaxy, is this timeline looking like it may have looped back around?

Yes, I'm a little concerned that the [alternative, never-happened] Nov 2008 events might somehow now be loop-mapped on to Nov 2016. If so, all hell (literally) might break loose.

Dan Burisch said the timeline problems in the future humans' history (round about now, or a few years before now) were because of energies within the solar system that were catastrophically activated by the Looking Glass/ Stargate devices, which is why they were all shut down.

He insisted that that had happened. He never referred to energies within the galaxy, only within the solar system. But he was always the first one to point out to us that he wasn't a physicist, or an astrophysicist.

All this is impossible to verify, of course, and it's a super-wild story that many have ridiculed. It's like the anti-elephant powder that you sprinkle in your bedroom. Hey, no elephants at night, so it must be working. :)

All I can say is that I knew Dan pretty well, and he was always sincere, intelligent, heart-centered, articulate, witty, caring, and a totally delightful person to be with 100% of the time. So I always listened carefully. He was never knowingly lying... I'm certain of that.

[Inversion]

In this video there's more examples of variations in names like Chuck E. Cheese's or Cup Noodles vs. Cup of Noodles. It seems like an AI rebuilt our reality and got some things wrong or according to the video dimensions are merging.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrJQzyaXjPw

[Foxie Loxie]

After viewing the original posted video, he is correct about the name changes. As a "senior" I remember well. Of course, I have no clue what this is all about, but my only comment would be that it seems that if our only source of information comes from the web, then we all can be easily deceived or led along whatever path "they" choose for us.

[Carmody]

As I said I can agree that many of the examples given I can’t be certain of but some of them I can, like the Whitny example. Another is Jane Goodall who in my memory worked with Gorillas, again I’m sure of it. The move Ghorellas in the Mist was about Jane Goodall, not this Fossie women I have never heard of. The other one is the human skeleton that I remember as not having lower closed ribs or a large long sternum. This is particularly interesting to me and may indicate this time line has experienced different genetic manipulations by possibly different ET’s or differing agendas? I was reading David Ickes forum about ME and they identified a few things specific to their culture, but mostly discussed those discrepancies noted on the web.

Dian Fossey worked with gorillas.

Jane Goodall, with chimpanzees.

[DNA]

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I'd like to join in this discussion... slowly and very carefully, as I mention in my copied post below. :)

First‚ can any British member post some examples of Mandela Effect-type apparent anomalies that would be significant to someone who'd grown up in England? Many of the small things being referred to are American, quite unknown to Brits. This is a serious request... I'd be very interested.

There are quite a few matters in this comprehensive list that reflect the world at large. The only I've noted that reflect England would be

1. It is stated many folks remember Margarat Thatcher stating she was too ill to attend Ronald Reagan's funeral, but it is said if you look it up on youtube there she is.
2. Many folks state they remember a painting of Henry VIII holding up a turkey leg, now it is stated this painting does not exist.
3. For me personally, I remember Adolph Hitler having Brown Hair and Brown Eyes, but apparently this is not the case. Hitler had blue eyes and brown hair.

This list is very long and done by an individual inserting quite a bit of his own personal experiences, there are mistakes as myself and my wife were looking up things that pinged with us.
But, there were quite a few things that seemed to be right on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRxXc8BonTw

[Hervé]

There is also some sort of pareidolia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) that can take place and best exemplified with this:
Cna Yuo Raed Tihs? (http://www.dailywritingtips.com/cna-yuo-raed-tihs/)

By Daniel Scocco

Today while opening my email I came across a very interesting message from a friend. It was basically a message where the letters of each word were all scrambled. The first and the last letters were kept intact, but between them they were all mixed. Surprisingly enough I could read it perfectly. Below you will find the message. Can you read it?
fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too. Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno’t mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghi t pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs forwrad it.
They say that only 55 people out of 100 can read that way. I would believe this number to be higher (considering that I never found someone who could not read it). What do you think?
See?

Most people are able to reconstruct in their mind what is meant in that example... yet, it's a RE-construction and definitely not what's written...

A similar phenomenon - in reverse - occurs here, and anywhere, where most of the time posters are baffled that their posts have been totally misconstrued as meaning something totally different than what they clearly wrote (beside intentional use of "Straw man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)" and emotional knee-jerk reflexes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex)).

Well, that's called a "Programming"... a programming that can be extended to a whole planet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52786-MATRIX-REVEALED-Analysis-Solutions)...

[Savannah]

As I said I can agree that many of the examples given I can’t be certain of but some of them I can, like the Whitny example. Another is Jane Goodall who in my memory worked with Gorillas, again I’m sure of it. The move Ghorellas in the Mist was about Jane Goodall, not this Fossie women I have never heard of. The other one is the human skeleton that I remember as not having lower closed ribs or a large long sternum. This is particularly interesting to me and may indicate this time line has experienced different genetic manipulations by possibly different ET’s or differing agendas? I was reading David Ickes forum about ME and they identified a few things specific to their culture, but mostly discussed those discrepancies noted on the web.

Dian Fossey worked with gorillas.

Jane Goodall, with chimpanzees.


I don't think you understand what is being said here. To ME, my reality, it was not that way. I understand you either remember this or see it online that way now, but to ME it is not. That is the point many people are reporting their memories do not match the current wold. These are everyday people not just so called conspiracy theorists. This phenomenon seems to be real, its the reason it is occurring that seems up for debate.

[Savannah]

So today I got the nerve to ask a colleague at work who was Eli Whitney, he said without hesitation he invented the cotton gin, I asked what race was he, he said BLACK. We got into a long discussion about this and it was clear it blew his mind. He said just what I did that he learned it in elementary school and it was an import fact because he was the first black man in history listed as an inventor. There has bee speculation it may be age related he is 68.

The video I posted with the young women who at the end was flabbergasted to hear the statue of liberty is now in New Jersey, I think is just an error and a confusion for some. I am originally from New York. Liberty island has always been disputed as owned by NJ but claimed by NY. Thus NY gets all the tourist dollars and NJ none. Liberty Island is actually federally owned but in NJ waters but has a NY address. So people say its in NJ or NY . So this may be just a simple mistake and not an ME.

[Enola]

One thing I noticed when I saw a clip of the Madonna movie "Desperately Seeking Susan" last month.

The scene where she trades in her jacket at the used clothes store and says "Used to belong to Jimi Hendrix". Then when the guy re-sells it I distinctly remember him saying "Used to belong to David Bowie". However, he now said "Used to belong to Elvis Presley".

It really stood out as I remember it well and it's not two people I would get mixed up.

[DNA]

From the website mandelaeffect.com

Most popular alternate memories

51 or 52 United States — (Not Puerto Rico, which is a territory, or DC, which is a district.)

Berenstain Bears or Berenstein Bears – Which do you recall? (Still one of the most popular topics at this website.)

Billy Graham’s funeral on TV. As of January 2016, he’s still alive.

Challenger shuttle explosion date? 1984, 1985, or 1986? Winter or another time of year? (Per Wikipedia, it was 28 Jan 1986.) Also, alternate memories about the Columbia.

Colors – Chartreuse and more – Many people recall chartreuse as a pink or reddish color. It’s actually yellow-green.

Curious George – Tail or no tail? (He’s never had a tail.) This is part of my article about dual memories.

Ghost Hunters TV show — Some remember the earliest show name as TAPS, not Ghost Hunters. (Yes, we know the real-life team is called TAPS, and some of their gear has always said that.)

Henry VIII portrait with a turkey leg in his hand — Many people clearly recall seeing it in history books, but there’s no record of it, now.

Jif or Jiffy Peanut Butter – Jif peanut butter was never called “Jiffy,” in this timestream. (Not confused with Skippy brand, either.)

Lindbergh baby – Never found? In this timestream, the 20-month old baby was found 12 May 1932.

Mother Teresa – A saint before 2016? Several recall her canonization in the 1990s. They also recall her name spelled “Theresa.”

Nelson Mandela’s death in prison, long before his actual death (in this timestream) on 5 December 2013.

New Zealand’s location, relative to Australia.

Red/blue – Pepsi logo changes, Chevron logo changes, and other color swaps… are they markers, cues, or signs to watch for?

September 22nd or 23rd? – Some people recall events shifting from one of these dates to another. (The reaction to this article — on- and off-site — has been disproportionate to its apparent minor importance.)

Sky – Changes in the sun, moon, stars, planets and their moons, constellation configurations and placement, and the color of the sky in general.

Tiananmen Square – Memories of a young man being run over by a tank. (Might be Mandela Effect issue or simple media manipulation.)

Agatha Christie – Never found after her 1926 disappearance? (In this timestream, she turned up 10 days later, but never explained. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie#Disappearance ) [Comments link 1 – link 2 – link 3.]

Barbara or Barbra Streisand? In this reality, it’s Barbra. (“Barbara” is a common typo, but doesn’t explain all the alternate memories. Many people listed the alternative “Barbara” as one of several memories they have. Individual comment links include this, this, this, and this.)

Betty White – Alive, well, and still feisty at age 93 in March 2015. Some recall her passing.

Brian Dennehy – Alive and well, per Wikipedia, but a few of us have other memories.

Charles Schulz or Schultz? (Creator of Peanuts comics and TV shows including Charlie Brown, Lucy, Snoopy, etc.) The correct spelling in this timestream is Schulz. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_M._Schulz )

Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer – Several people have (privately) reported a memory of his recent death. Wikipedia says still alive.

Coen brothers or Cohen brothers? – American film producers & screenwriters. Note: Different from producers John Cohen (“Ice Age,” “Despicable Me,” etc.), Rob Cohen (“The Mummy,” “The Fast and the Furious,” etc.), and Charles S. Cohen (“Frozen River.”) Not the musicians, either. Comment link.

David Soul – As of October 2015, he’s still alive, healthy, and starring in new productions.

Dick Clark’s death… at least two of them. (Per Wikipedia, he died in April 2012.)

Dick Van Patten – Died prior to his June 2015 death in this timestream?

Dom DeLuise’s death. He died in 2009, but that’s not the only memory people have. 10 related comments, some at Comments 2.

Don Rickles – Still alive in Oct 2015 (per Wikipedia) although some recall his earlier demise.

Ernest Borgnine, death reported years before it happened in 2012.

Forrest J. Ackerman – Died in 2008 in this timeline (per Wikipedia), but others recall alternate, earlier death dates.

Fred Rogers (aka Mister Rogers) – Died in 2003, or later?

Freddie Prinze — Several memories, mostly related to Freddie, Junior, and Sarah Michelle Gellar, and a child born around 2003 or 2004.

Hal Holbrook – Born 1925, and still alive in January 2015. His late wife, Dixie Carter, passed away in 2010. Several remember Mr. Holbrook’s own death & memorials prior to 2010.

Helen Thomas (1920 – 2013), former White House reporter – Some recall an alternate date when she passed.

Henry Ford – Died from cerebral hemorrhage or something else?

Houston family (Whitney’s) – Conflicting memories about her children, after Whitney’s death, but before Bobbi Kristina’s 2015 tragic death.

Jack Palance — An earlier death date than what’s in the current timestream.

Jayne Meadows Allen — Died 2015 or much earlier? (She was an actress, and widow of comedian Steve Allen.)

Jerry Lewis – Remembered death late in 2013 or early 2014. Still alive in Oct 2014. (Different from Jerry Lee Lewis, the colorful singer/songwriter.)

Jim Henson – Died of complications from a strep infection, or from cancer? (In this timestream, initially reported as walking pneumonia. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Henson#Illness_and_death )

Jimmy Swaggart — Report dead, but still alive as of July 2012.

John Denver’s death — When and where? In this reality, 12 Oct 1997 near Monterrey Bay, California.

John Lennon — Date of death is 8 Dec 1980, but some have clear memories of a different date.

John Lennon & Yoko Ono – The location of 1969 “bed-in for peace.” (If you remember this, note the location before checking Wikipedia for the details.)

Jon Bon Jovi – Some recall a startling, mid-1990s lifestyle announcement.

Kathie Lee Gifford or Kathy Lee Gifford? In this reality, it’s always been “Kathie.”

Katy Perry – Memories of her using the name Kate, not Katy.

Leonard DiCaprio – Won an Oscar before 2016? Some recall earlier nominations and awards, as well as his 2016 acceptance speech, but years earlier.

Li Qi – Chinese comedian with a reported death, still alive in early 2014.

Louie Anderson – Alive and well now, but his death (and therefore cancellation of his TV show) at some point in the past. (Not confused with John Candy and other comedians.)

Muhammad Ali – 2009 death? Still alive (early 2015) per Wikipedia.

Neil Armstrong died in 2013, not 2012? Also, some are sure he made a ‘Mr. Gorsky’ reference during his lunar voyage. (Latter debunked in this timestream by Snopes, but does anyone actually recall hearing it?)

Patrick Swayze, his full recovery reported after his tragic death in this reality.

Peter Fonda – He’s still alive. (Not confusing him with his dad, actor Henry Fonda, who died in 1982.)

Peter Townsend or Peter Townshend — Spelling change? (One is a singer-songwriter for The Who. The other is an American drummer.)

Reba McIntyre or Reba McEntire? – Decide how you remember it before visiting her official website or Wikipedia to see the real spelling.

Richard Chamberlain – Did not die in the 1990s. Still alive (as of Oct 2015), and – related memory – James Franciscus was not his brother.

Robert Crumb — Death reported, 1990s. Still alive (July 2015). Artist responsible for Fritz the Cat and the iconic Keep on Truckin’ graphic, etc.

Robert Stack — Earlier death reports.

Rod Serling or Rod Sterling? Some recall the latter spelling, not as a typo.

Rodney King – Some have alternate memories of his death, including one during the infamous incident in 1991.

Shirley Temple — Some recall her death long prior to 10 Feb 2014.

Sinbad – Did he ever play a genie in a major movie? Did he ever play a genie, full stop?

Terry Pratchett – According to some, he died shortly after the announcement of his illness (2013), instead of March 2015.

Will Smith and Jada Pinkett – Divorced ~10 years ago? (2015: Still listed as a happy couple. He divorced a previous wife in 1995.)

William Daniels (actor) – Did not die in the early 2000s. Still alive (<- Wikipedia link) in early 2015.

Yogi Berra (athlete) – Died 22 Sep 2015, but some recall an earlier death.

More events… when and where?

9/11 – Did it happen on 9/11, as most people remember, or on 9/10, as some recall?

Thanksgiving (USA) – The third or the fourth Thursday in November? (Since 1941, it’s always on the fourth Thursday.)

Weather – Hurricane Katrina: April or August 2005, or another year altogether?

Writers’ strike in Hollywood – 2007-2008 or some other year (21st century only)?

More geography

Geography — Locations and sizes of New Zealand. Locations of Australia, Honduras, Japan, Manchuria, and more.

Adam’s Bridge (also Ram Setu, Rama Setu, Setubandhanam, and other names) – Some recall it fully above sea level in the mid-late 20th century, while historical records (in this timestream) say it was partially submerged — due to a cyclone — in the late 15th century. (ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam%27s_Bridge )

Alaska – Coastline radically different.

Arctica – Hasn’t existed for a very long time.

Japan – Where do you recall it, in relation to China?

Korea – N. Korea borders Russia? That’s what maps show.

Madagascar – Location and general geography. Not just a map issue.

Mongolia – Part of China or a separate country? And where is/was it?

Sri Lanka location, due south of India, not southeast. (Also see ancient maps at this article about geography changes, in general.)

Wales – East or west of England and Scotland? (It’s west. From London, take the M25 west to the M4, and follow the M4 into Wales.)

More media (TV, films, books, magazines)

Big (the movie) – Alternate ending. (Not confused with 13 Going on 30.)

The Candidate, or The Campaign — One movie, one and a remake, two movies, or now three… and did the title change? (Solved, maybe: See the related HuffPost page. Compare the article title and the inset video clip title.)

Carmen Sandiego (“Where in the World Is…”) – Some recall a yellow trench coat, long before the red one. Comment link.

Cinderella – Some recall an alternate central character or characters.

Cruella DeVille or De Vil? – It’s the latter, in this Disney’s 101 Dalmatians movie reference. [See comment.]

Different Strokes or Diff’rent Strokes? – It’s the latter, though many recall otherwise and some TV listings support that.

Duggars – Was the show (briefly) “21 Kids and Counting”?

Forrest Gump – Was the most famous line “Life IS like a box of chocolates…” or “Life WAS like a box of chocolates…”? In this reality, it’s the latter. (However, both lines were used in connection with the movie, so this isn’t necessarily a Mandela Effect.)

Fred Rogers’ song, “Won’t You Be My Neighbor” – Some recall “It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.” In this reality, it’s “It’s a beautiful day in this neighborhood.”? (See http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/wont_you_be_my_neighbor.html and https://youtu.be/zMUGJZrR9Jg.)

Gremlins character (movie) – Spike or Stripe? The only reliable sources say it was always Stripe, not Spike.

Hand gestures in movies – Do you recall different hand gestures in movies? For example, a more elaborate hand gesture by Antonio Banderas, with a candle, in Interview with the Vampire? See the YouTube clip from the movie, around the 2:03 point. I’m looking for very specific descriptions of the alternate gesture.

Independence Day (movie) — Characters now missing from a major scene? (This has been reported privately, twice, and we’re looking for confirmation from others.)

Interview with a Vampire, or Interview with the Vampire – Actually, both titles were used on published book, in this reality. So, this isn’t a clear Mandela Effect issue.

It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown, and related topics – Did the Great Pumpkin appear near the end of the holiday special, or was it just Snoopy’s shadow? Was the cartoonist Charles Schultz or Charles Schulz? (In both cases, it was the latter in this reality.)

Jurassic Park – Original movie: Some recall a now-missing scene.

Justice League – Check the characters you’re remembering and see if one is missing.

K-PAX (movie) – Starred Kevin Spacey or Nicholas Cage? (In this timestream, it’s Spacey.)

Looney Tunes or Looney Toons? – Several conflicting memories.

Married with Children – Some recall one character played by two different actors.

M.A.S.H. (TV series) – Some recall the in-series death of Walter “Radar” O’Reilly. However, that wasn’t part of the story in this timestream.

Mirror, Mirror – In “Snow White,” did the evil queen say “Mirror, mirror…” or “Magic mirror…”? (In Disney’s Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, the Queen says, “Magic mirror.”)

Mystery Science Theater — Variations of the numbers following show name (mostly 2000 or 3000, but a few recall 4000).

Sex and the City – Some are sure it was “Sex in the City” when it first aired.

Star Trek memories, including: Chakotay character killed, then returns — several episodes later — without much explanation. (I’ve talked about this — in person — with Robert Beltran, who played the character. He’s sure that version was never written or filmed.)

Star Wars – Was the iconic line “Luke, I am your father” or “No, I am your father”? Also a missing scene. (Not just “deleted.”)

Terminator (and other movie) variations, “remembered” before the deleted scenes were available on DVD. Alternate late scenes and endings reported, as well.

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (movie) – Different ending after initial release? Different title?

X-Men – Some reports of alternate abilities for Professor X

[Bill Ryan]

.
Interesting list. ^^

But 90-95% of that can (and will!) probably be dismissed out of hand. There's a bit of a barrel being scraped here, for sure.

I'd say that that's not all that smart (of whoever generated the list)... way too much risk of ridicule by uncritically collecting maybe one-off reports of a totally subjective anomaly, or something someone couldn't remember very clearly, from a person who couldn't tell you where Turkmenistan was if you paid them $100,000. :)

Some of the anomalies have been reported, sometimes independently, by literally thousands of people. The ones reported by just one or two people (often one, and then someone else agreed) just can't be counted as statistically significant.

Watch this carefully, and you'll see the rumors, poor logic and poor research spin way out of control, as everyone copies and repeats everyone else's anecdotes, and then no-one wins. I've already seen one video where the presenter thinks the Earth has changed shape, and now it's flat.

OMG. Not a joke, he really said that. :facepalm: The attitude needed for a researcher here is that of someone like David Paulides (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas). You gotta go slow, be meticulous, check facts meticulously, and have hard criteria for what kind of anomaly qualifies to be noted.

My current stance is that I think there are a small number of highly-strange anomalies, a few of which really had me staring at the wall for a few minutes this afternoon. About 4 of them. Those kinda stopped me in my tracks for a moment.

The others are almost certainly (but unprovably) a result of bad memory and/or bad geography. (Geography is NOT a good example of this phenomenon!)

I do want to say more about this, as intelligently as I can. It's interesting stuff, and there may really be something happening here, even if it's very occasional, and usually tiny. If two timelines really are 'bleeding' into one another (and I do think this is possible, based on everything I know and understand) they're pretty nearly totally 99.99999999% identical.

As I said to the mods team a few hours ago, it's if we wake up tomorrow morning and find Hillary's been the US president for the last 8 years, then we'll know we have a problem.

:)

[Carmody]

As for Peter Fonda, a lot of people confuse the death of David Carradine in Bangkok 2009....for Peter's.

[Enola]

It's funny how close they are. Almost like copying errors. So most could be attributed to poor memory.

[araucaria]

Most of that list is literally junk food and Facebook gossip; many of us will not relate to either. Memory is faulty at the best of times simply because it is inevitably selective. This is because reality is hugely more complex than any narrative we can ever construct. An example of this sort of thing comes in Jorge-Luis Borges story “El Otro” (The Other) where as an old man he meets his younger self (a non-visual encounter because by this time he is almost blind). His younger self tells him the poet Walt Whitman would never tell a lie. He replies from the standpoint of one who has translated Leaves of Grass, saying that Whitman claims to have been born in two different states; pretty conclusive evidence of some form of untruthfulness I'd say.

They then exchange a silver coin for a dollar bill. The younger man seeing the date 1963 on the banknote, tears it up and reclaims his coin before it gets thrown in the river. The old man reckons his younger self freaked out at something he just imagined, because he was later told, after completing the story, that there is no date on a dollar bill. This amounts to suggesting that the whole scene did not really happen at all, it is just a piece of creative writing. Borges leaves the reader to work out the punchline: there IS a date on a dollar bill. And therefore the döppelganger is for real and is also telling the truth: so you have Borges himself literally in two different states, neither of which can be totally objective.

[sunwings]

Top 10 misquotes

1. "Luke, I am your father" – Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

2. "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?" – Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)

3. "Do you feel lucky, punk?" – Dirty Harry (1971)

4. "Play it again, Sam" – Casablanca (1942)

5. "Hello, Clarice" – The Silence of the Lambs (1991)

6. "Beam me up, Scotty" – Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)

7. "Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn" – Gone With the Wind (1939)

8. "If you build it, they will come" – Field of Dreams (1989)

9. "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto" – The Wizard of Oz (1939)

10. "Mrs Robinson, are you trying to seduce me?" – The Graduate (1967)

Source Guardian 2009 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/may/11/star-wars-movie-misquotes-poll

Also A 2013 article from Buzzfeed. https://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/20-famous-movie-lines-that-you-have-been-saying-wrong?utm_term=.owlZpWYwl#.gtq6gYZ2O

It Would seem strange that a bleed through would affect the most famous lines of our most famous films.

[sunwings]

The strongest proof of a Mandela effect I can find is the TV show Sex in the City. I clearly remember it being Sex in the City not Sex and the City. My wife is a stickler for details and has a photographic memory and noted to me innocently last week that she thought it was called Sex in the City as it appeared on TV not THE. I also took several Media classes in University and remembered joking about the Title with female friends. So this is what i found out.


Sex in the City

2.8m hits on youtube
71,000 hits on instagram
700 hits on Ebay

Sex and the City

5m hits on youtube
476,000 hits on instagram
4000 hits on Ebay

What I find interesting are the 700 Ebay sellers selling 6 series boxsets all refering to it in the selling title as Sex in the city despite the picture on the box clearly saying Sex and the city. Surely if you were a big enough Fan to buy the box sets you would get the name right! http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=sex+and+the+city&_dmd=2&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR5.TRC2.A0.H0.Xsex+in +the+city.TRS0&_nkw=sex+in+the+city&_sacat=0

This video clip clearly shows the star of the show sarah jessica parker referring to the show as in not ´n´ but in. the interviewer also clearly asks questions referring to the show as in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxE5or5aJM



People in the many comments section have also picked up on this and the Mandela effect debate can be seen clearly in the comments sections with many women 100% certain it was called Sex in the city while others only remember sex and the city.

The comments sections are awash with anecdotes which I find the most interesting as the past, present and future timeline we are on now, doesn't match with peoples memories. My best friend is called Luke and I remember rewinding the star wars scene and copying Darth Vader and saying "Luke....I....am your father." However this current timeline suggests that is impossible. I watched Sex in the city on my timeline. But most interesting of all, is this is the first time I have seen a conspiracy theory grip people who would normally laugh this stuff off!

[Carmody]

sellers change the advert title to reflect the lack of erudition in the buyers, in order to be able to sell items. It's that simple, regarding the one aspect. when selling to the illiterate, fit their expectations, plain and simple. It's the difference between a push sale and a pull sale.

If i was selling the item, I would mention both expected titles and reach as many buyers as possible.

One excellent way to find coveted and even rare items, or very low prices on what are generally expensive or costly items, is to search eBay for the illiterate and/or dyslexic having listed such an item ---- incorrectly. Eg, something that should have 500 views and 10 bidders, might have only 5-10 views. Return is commensurate with effort.

One has to remember that most of the American public has barely read even a book (equivalence, etc) a year, in these modern times. We speak and read a lopsided pidgin, these days, which affects the general outlook and use of English in some interesting and normalized ways.


It is difficult to measure vocabulary size accurately. Total vocabulary size varies greatly from person to person, but people typically use about 5,000 words in their speech and about twice that many in their writing. A college-educated speaker of English could have a vocabulary as large as 80,000 words.

Someone interested in 'sex in the city', would probably have a fairly contracted word set at their immediate disposal. Which leads to fairly well normalized contractions/errors in their projections and input filtering with regard to language usage.

This is kind of what Bill and others are talking about, -and I expound here- when said that one has to be careful about the unconscious aspects of societal and cultural normalization which is inherent in the undercurrent of the fabric of life, and then coming to realization of such..and ascribing it to the idea of 'The Mandala Effect'.

[Bill Ryan]

It Would seem strange that a bleed through would affect the most famous lines of our most famous films.

Just a comment: that's most likely because those are being noticed, as they're pretty well known. There may be many more, far more obscure and not committed to memory, which haven't been noticed at all.

[Nick Matkin]

Bill asked for UK examples. Maybe I've missed the point of this thread, but why are the following not examples of The Mandela Effect?

I remember Marathon bars. Now they're Snickers.
Bejam became Iceland.
Green Shield Stamps shop is now Argos.
Treats now Minstrels.
etc.

These are simply products or establishments that have changed name. Surely this sort of thing is not what the Mandela Effect is all about - is it? It's not as if old photos of these items showing their original names cannot be found because they can.

However, I have one example that I can't explain...

I remember seeing a photograph in a book I had (before the internet) that showed what was supposed to be a group of US Civil War soldiers (or maybe just ranchers) holding up a 'thunderbird' in a building, possibly a barn. Now, what I find very creepy indeed is the fact that Fortean Times some yeas ago had either a letter or article about this photo that readers could remember, but no one could track down! Wow - yes, me too! Since then, that particular photo seems to be a major example of this phenomenon. I guess that's a good case of the Mandela Effect!

I'm prepared to put all this down to nothing more sinister than false memory syndrome, rather than any much more complex time-line malarkey explanation. But I want to be wrong!

[Bill Ryan]

Bill asked for UK examples. Maybe I've missed the point of this thread, but why are the following not examples of The Mandela Effect?

I remember Marathon bars. Now they're Snickers.
Bejam became Iceland.
Green Shield Stamps shop is now Argos.
Treats now Minstrels.
etc.

These are simply products or establishments that have changed name. Surely this sort of thing is not what the Mandela Effect is all about - is it? It's not as if old photos of these items showing their original names cannot be found because they can.

However, I have one example that I can't explain...

I remember seeing a photograph in a book I had (before the internet) that showed what was supposed to be a group of US Civil War soldiers (or maybe just ranchers) holding up a 'thunderbird' in a building, possibly a barn. Now, what I find very creepy indeed is the fact that Fortean Times some yeas ago had either a letter or article about this photo that readers could remember, but no one could track down! Wow - yes, me too! Since then, that particular photo seems to be a major example of this phenomenon. I guess that's a good case of the Mandela Effect!

I'm prepared to put all this down to nothing more sinister than false memory syndrome, rather than any much more complex time-line malarkey explanation. But I want to be wrong!

Thanks, Nick —


Yes, Bejam and Marathon were both real-world, actual name changes. Nothing strange there.



Yes, re the Thunderbird photo — I've looked, and can't find that, either. But that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Some things on the net are a little hard to track down, especially when websites die, and their photos along with them. Archive.org (http://Archive.org) is a great resource, but it's not complete by any means, and often images are not archived (though the pages are).



I do agree that most of this is highly likely to be people's unreliable memories. But I do have a handful of strong little anomalies I just can't explain and make me feel really quite weird. (Really! It's like What?!? :bigsmile: ) I'm not ruling out that something strange is happening here.

[BMJ]

My two cents worth, just some thoughts.
IF this is occuring im wondering is this a merging or bleeding threw of timelines a natural event OR has it been induced by TPTB?

Also does it mean our souls are merging with a another aspect of itself?

Another point and I think there is a thread on this topic here somewhere. On tv they seem to to be recycling the same shows and movies over and over again in a very short period of time im wondering if this a litmus test for the masses being conducted by TPTB. To test if the masses are noticing this transition or merging.

I remember Simon Parkes stating the shift would be happening about between now and the end of 2017.
Are all these slightly differences a soft sell by reality to alert / wake up humanity in a undeniable manner to this coming shift?

[Hervé]

Another avenue along which some of these bizarre happenings occur:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png Since then, let’s see… One day my travels eventually took me to Maui. And because of the teachings and the stories I heard, I really wanted to check out the place where they were sealed off - it sounded so intriguing. It’s naturally protected, surrounded by steep cliffs. It’s a really treacherous area. And it gets an absurd amount, I think it could be the highest amount of rain- or second highest in the world-? So it’s always wet and slick. I was in Maui a number of times, shortly before and after the Atlantean colony was abandoned. In the early/mid 70’s, I assumed the patrols had stopped. I started trying to find a guide, a local Hawaiian guide that would take me into the area. I was prepared to do mountain climbing & rappelling, whatever was necessary to check it out.

But, not only couldn’t I get anybody to take me there, every time I brought it up to somebody, they would look down and get this very heavy feeling coming over them. And I got virtually the same response with everyone - “You know uh, that’s no good, you don’t wanna go there, and a lot of people have gone there and not come back. It’s too dangerous, very dangerous. Go to Haleakala instead, nice hikes, I’ll take you there if you want.”

I asked a lot of people about taking me back in there and I got a lot of refusals, and heard a lot of different stories about why people didn’t come back out. The most common, logical story, was that it was such a treacherous climb, that people died, and that’s why they never came out. And then there were other stories that were pretty wild, like that there were dinosaurs in there. Another story was that it was just so incredibly paradisiacal in there, that nobody ever wanted to leave. Of course, nobody knew anything about the Atlantean/Lemurian stories.

Back then, they used to call the area the Moon Crater, and for some reason, all the businesses that used that name, like “Moon Crater Donuts” or whatever, changed their names at the same time. All of a sudden, it wasn’t supposed to be referred to that way, but rather, called the “West Maui Mountains”. This seemed to coincide with what may have been a government discovery of Lemurians, and/or tunnel access, and/or aliens. More than once, we saw a military hummer on an incredibly steep approach driving up towards the crater, and of course, unmarked helicopters. And, of course, these days there are “no trespassing” signs all around the area – some government, some private, that don’t make sense.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/misc/quote_icon.png

Excerpted from: Ancient Atlantean Teachings and My Personal Experiences with Aliens & UFOs By Jon Peniel
... which goes along the "programming" of a population (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91282-The-Mandela-Effect.-Is-this-CERN-Project-Pegasus-The-Montauk-Project-The-Philadelphia-Experiment&p=1075024&viewfull=1#post1075024)...

[BMJ]

I have been trying for years to wake up family and friends as to the truth of what is our reality with very little success. They simply switch off when I discuss alternative media.

But now. Finally?

Would all these descrepancies being noted by the general population world wide, and not just be people in the alternative community, indicate the world is waking up to the programming or not?

[Bill Ryan]

But now. Finally?



Well, don't tell them that New Zealand has moved! :)

But there are maybe half a dozen possible examples (not many more than that), which thousands of people seem to agree about, of anomalies that really do make one wonder.

Best refer to those, and not the weaker ones, which may very well not be valid. The list of examples doesn't have to be loaded up with so many that a skeptic (or a critical thinker) will pick on one of the many probable flawed ones and then dismiss the entire thing.

[Cidersomerset]

They do talk about Andrew Basiago , Montauk , and go into some detail with the
Philadelphia experiment and other aspects of the subject including John Titor...
Larry is also not a fan of Bob Lazar ...LOL

They finish off talking about Jimmies multi witness UFO sightings at the
UFO event in the desert the previous weekend.He does think we have
been visited by ET's for a long time and more .....


Ep. 471 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Larry Flaxman: Time Travel and Mind Control LIVE

interview starts aprox 33 mins in.....finishes aprox 222 mins....

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Published on 14 Jun 2016

Author and researcher Larry Flaxman is our guest...he has written books on Time Travel,
Mythology, Mind Control and government secrecy and tonight we discuss all them...
centered on Time Travel...the possibilities, the best cases and the personalities behind
them...and then we talk about mind-control and implanted memories...great conversation.

[Savannah]

I just read the other Avalon thread now in the most read section on the ME : And the Wolf Shall Dwell With The Lamb?
Very interesting, I recall the lion but I never read the Bible. I completely agree Bill about the list that may just be long due to hysterical reactions by people or those deliberately trying to make the phenomenon look silly and easily dismissed. I was doing just that until I hit on 2 absolutes and about 4 strong haunting maybes and they are not related to trivia.

[Bill Ryan]

.
Folks, read this carefully: I'd quite like to put this on record.

My own concern is that we might be getting pulled BACK into a NEGATIVE timeline. That's all crazy stuff, too, but may not be impossible.

All the YouTubers seem to think all this is a good thing. (Assuming it's real!) It may not be good at all. If Hillary does get elected, I'll be genuinely really, really worried.

Reference: http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html

Sci-Fi scenario: imagine the elite have access to highly advanced, classified, time-manipulation technology, and are desperate to keep to their own agenda and NOT take the risk of accepting and dealing with Trump. Timeline manipulation may be what they'd turn to.

If the Mandela Effect is real, we may be seeing the symptoms of a forced reversion to that 2008 pro-Hillary timeline. If so, we'd all be pretty well cooked.

[Enola]

I find this so strange as I'm kind of obsessive with words or remember very well.

I've only seen "Sex and The City", for sure. Would be kind of hard to miss something that was always on TV.

[Jhonie]

Has anyone had anything personal change. Try checking old photographs, etc. Has anyone completely changed right before your eyes? Was it always this way and suddenly it has always been that way.

Edit: We all sail on the edge of time.

[AuCo]

There "WAS" a reference on the thread "Projected (Benchmarked) Timeline through December 2017" (I still don't know how to link a reference to a thread :o) that Trump will be elected president. I now no longer be able to find it there nor from the site (http://www.provemewrong.today/) it comes from. I wanted to comment on that reference but I guess I just missed it.

I tend to agree with Bill that if Hillary is elected president then we are looped back to the same timeline. And yes, that ain't gonna be good.

[Inversion]

Yesterday I remember Mandela was spelt Mandala. After Shirley Temple died I anagrammed her name looking for imbued data and got Timely Helpers. According to a Dailymail.com article and MSM news she singlehandedly saved the movie industry. The Forest Gump vs. Forrest Gump variation is interesting because the English Gematria value for the letter R is 108 and two consecutive R's would be 216 otherwise known as God's creation hologram (Book: Temple at the Center of Time). According to the Pleiadians 666 refers to anti-creation or anti-logos. Multiplying 6x6x6 equals 216.

From post #42:
Shirley Temple — Some recall her death long prior to 10 Feb 2014.

Anagram server: http://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html

Gematria calculator: http://www.gematrix.org/

[Bill Ryan]

Yesterday I remember Mandela was spelt Mandala. After Shirley Temple died I anagrammed her name looking for imbued data and got Timely Helpers. According to a Dailymail.com article and MSM news she singlehandedly saved the movie industry. The Forest Gump vs. Forrest Gump variation is interesting because the English Gematria value for the letter R is 108 and two consecutive R's would be 216 otherwise known as God's creation hologram (Book: Temple at the Center of Time). According to the Pleiadians 666 refers to anti-creation or anti-logos. Multiplying 6x6x6 equals 216.

From post #42:
Shirley Temple — Some recall her death long prior to 10 Feb 2014.Anagram server: http://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html

Gematria calculator: http://www.gematrix.org/

Please! Let's keep this conversation (which is already pretty wild) rational. :)

:focus:

[DNA]

However, I have one example that I can't explain...

I remember seeing a photograph in a book I had (before the internet) that showed what was supposed to be a group of US Civil War soldiers (or maybe just ranchers) holding up a 'thunderbird' in a building, possibly a barn. Now, what I find very creepy indeed is the fact that Fortean Times some yeas ago had either a letter or article about this photo that readers could remember, but no one could track down! Wow - yes, me too! Since then, that particular photo seems to be a major example of this phenomenon. I guess that's a good case of the Mandela Effect!

I'm prepared to put all this down to nothing more sinister than false memory syndrome, rather than any much more complex time-line malarkey explanation. But I want to be wrong!

In this video, the producer of the video does a very good job contrasting two photos. He claims one is a legit photo, and one is a fake, made to discredit or obfuscate the real photo. The producer of the video also admits that the legit photo comes from A BOOK THAT MANY PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER BEING PRINTED IN THE 1960's AND YET NO ONE CAN FIND A COPY OF TODAY. For me the bolded words are what is most pertinent to this thread.
But I will say this, the story told in the video is compelling. Though 30 minutes long, I only watched the first 8,and felt I had seen all I needed to see.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT7EhE7YJbI

[Satori]

When referring to Ms. Parker's erstwhile TV show, this article says its "Sex and the City"

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/weddings/sarah-jessica-parker-surprises-brides-to-be-with-free-shoes/ar-AAh2JhD?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp

[Hervé]

I think someone already mentioned it earlier and that's: "Déjà vu"... where there is an event happening which triggers a "memory" of one having already gone through that same event...

I recall stunning "Déjà vu" which I had just "dreamt" of the night before... (the kind of experience which leads one to question which state is the actual dream? Of course, the problem with that is that "dreaming" is define out of, and derived from, our common current, 3D, physical state of reality), from that, I concluded that the actual 3D reality was "rehearsed" in that "dream-state" and acted out in physical reality at the closest opportunity...

In other words the hologram/programming/script was set in that "dream"/astral state/other-density and then "landed" in 3D physical reality when circumstances allowed for it to occur... (see my "signature").

Now, regarding those "memories which don't quite "match" ... would those be "Failed" "Déjà vu"?

In other words, one "failed" to perform the script/hologram/programming to a tee and discrepancies show their unexpected heads... the devil is in the details :)

I think it's worth a few thoughts, considering that one can get a spoon/fork to bend (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84701-Spoonbending--how-to--) by gently "talking" to it... "reality" is no more difficult than that... :) (check that signature again :)).

[skyflower]

My personal ME events are: A luggage my friend purchased while with me, has changed colors from silver to black. I have seen that luggage many times before, but the last time I visited her in Asia, was no longer the same color, although it was the same luggage she purchased with me.

A blanket I had thrown away in another country 2 years ago, suddenly showed up at my parents place this year. They told me it was always there.....

I have many other personal events, but the other ones I admit there might be a 1% chance it is my faulty memory.

[sunwings]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlxDsQ5FcEc

AT 3:30 Anne Rice refers to the book as ´An interview with a Vampire!´

I have found no proof that the book had both Titles (why would it)

The Interview Date was 2012, Dec 17th (interesting!)

Also many new M.E. Revelations started around Sept 2015 (another Key Date with CERN according to S. Parkes)

[DNA]

One area that caught my attention and admiration was the CHANI Material.
This material is a supposed communication between our earth and a parallel earth in another dimension.
The communication takes place for five years from 1994-1999. The communication was said to have taken place through a as yet undisclosed secret CERN like particle accelerator located in Africa. I suggest the link, it's a short read.
The major thrust of the communication is the eminent collision of our solar system's universe and the universe of the individual talked to in the CHANI Project.
The entity gives various tell tale signs for when this collision is about to happen.
Could this be a possible explanation for what folks are referring to as the Mandela Effect?


The CHANI Material (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_channelers20.htm)


The CHANI Project

During the years 1994 to 1999, a group of researchers from an organization/corporation, which I will call RAND and Associates, or RA, had access to an underground CERN-like collider facility in Africa (the location is still classified).

There were other active projects running concurrently, like.

• Space Time Fabricating
• Simulation by Atom Replacement and Removal
• Holographic Programming of Dark Matter
• Manifestation of Quantum Energies
• Associated String Programming with Ether/Etheric Interaction,

Note: CHANI is an acronym for 'Channelled Holographic Access Network Interface.'

The Entity and Humanity

The Entity explained in some detail to the researchers that contact was made because the Entity was our equivalent of a "student" and he had authority from his Elders to interact with, observe, study and learn from us.

The Entity explained that his Elders "noticed" us (we here on Earth) and our whole solar system cross onto "their" parallel universe.

The Entity also explained that we weren't the only race reaching this crossroads/ merge, but that they could see other alien races from other planets in our solar system as well. Our Entity was specifically tasked to study us (humans, Earth), while other students were tasked to study the other races and planets corresponding to their planet and solar system.

It was not just a merging or colliding of our Earth reality, but it was our complete solar system colliding with the reality of another "parallel" solar system. Although it was we humans (with some alien assistance/technology) who were "playing with dark and portal matters", the result was that our whole solar system traversed into "their" universe of visibility/perception

[sunwings]

1. Having only ever owned VW´s this one sits very badly with me. I distinctly remember older VW´s having a singular connected Badge.

2. I could never remember if it was 51 or 52 states. To find out it is 50 :facepalm:

3. I used to love Blue Ribbons as a kid. No sign of a brand change. Other brands have a similar name but now Nestle´s version has changed name.

This resonated with me:

One way of looking at it which I can not prove or justify but have heard is that everything that could happen in 3D past, present and future has already happened, that all possible 3D universes exist together in something that can be likened to a fractal hologram and the multidimensional self chooses which regions to illuminate and experience depending on its "soul frequency."

[Zampano]

Hmm...funny enough and ironic.
It was Mandala from the start!

[muxfolder]

This kinda did blew my mind.:) Especially because there are few on those lists that I remember differently too, one being that famous line from Forrest Gump. But on the other hand, there are many that are on the list because people are too damn lazy to find out the facts. Maybe those people didn't know those things in the first place or it wasn't taught in school. I don't know, it's interesting anyway.

[Cidersomerset]

Some theorise we are living in a maitrix like universe ? well
I just saw this article and I did not want to start another thread,
but wanted to post it somewhere........


Zuckerberg: We Will All Be Plugged Into the Matrix Within 50 Years

By David on 16 June 2016 GMT Illuminati Criminals, Microchipping, Useless Media


https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Untitled-1-20.jpg


The founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg has said that the social networks of the future
will be powered by telepathy where people will be able to beam their thoughts and emotions
directly onto the internet.

Read more: Zuckerberg: We Will All Be Plugged Into the Matrix Within 50 Years

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/techandscience/1287163/mark-zuckerberg-says-well-be-plugged-into-the-matrix-within-50-years/

[Bluegreen]

but wanted to post it somewhere........
Zuckerberg: We Will All Be Plugged Into the Matrix Within 50 Years

And I just wanted to post somewhere that

"Mark Zuckerberg can kiss my delectable ass!"

:)

[Daozen]

Zuckerberg: We Will All Be Plugged Into the Matrix Within 50 Years

Worth a thread on it's own.

Good that the most popular newspaper in the UK, The Sun, has given this plan a mostly negative write up.

[phillipbbg]

I am beginning to come to a conclusion that there is something else actually causing the so called Labelled Mandela Effect and it is happening continually all the time.

I call it the AAIG effect and this stands for ALTERING AS IT GOES and IMO it is the system itself that is self altering.

We already know that most press releases are no longer written by public relations people but are in fact generated by the computer systems themselves, this has been openly stated if you do a search its easy enough to find. I have been noticing if I research a subject I will tend to dig around and end up with say 10 tabs of different sources on a particular subject, now it I don't do a screen shot of each page and I close them and come back to them say in a day or two to continue I find words and phrases have been altered or changed....

So more and more I feel this so called Mandela effect is actually the system altering its depiction of events as it goes, self correcting evidence to fulfil a pre -determined model or desired outcome.

Test it for yourselves, wiki does it right in front of your eyes but that is paid posters editing and correcting or altering openly we are told... Mmmm

Well now I am going back to old physical printed copy to exemplify as evidence and screen shots that are printed immediately and kept for the same reason, because unless it is taken out of the digital network it is able to be modified or altered at any time.

Anyway my theory and I call it AAIG effect

And by the way the system itself is happy for us to have our own label for these changes that occur so that it can define it medically for later separation by law .
Confabulation is now defined and with a simple act can become an offence against the state...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation

[Cidersomerset]

Worth a thread on it's own.

I have posted these before........

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/22/17/3173A1D400000578-0-image-m-23_1456160921186.jpg


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[araucaria]

Name changes are a fairly common occurrence these days. If you are a huge corporation like France Telecom changing your name to Orange or GDF to engie, it will cost you something in the order of 15-20 billion. Why do they do it? Well sometimes it is when you’ve made a bad name for yourself or are otherwise up to no good; the above examples are former nationalised companies going private: the public puts up the investment, certain individuals reap the dividends. Or if one of your passenger ships capsizes, you will definitely need a new trading name, just as the ship itself will be transferred to Africa or India (where it will probably sink again, with hundreds of lives lost). Or your royalist party wants you to overlook its foreign origins (enemy origins in time of war): the Windsors. Or your political party is embroiled in scandal and legal proceedings: Sarkozy’s right wing UDF party recently changed its name to Les Républicains owing to various scandals mostly involving himself, e.g. overspending on his last presidential campaign to the tune of over twice the legal ceiling. This is kind of the opposite of people remembering USA Inc. as the United States of America.

Hence if any part of the ‘Mandela effect’ is attributable to this kind of shenanigans, it might not mean that our reality is being somehow warped so much as it would mean that our reality is rotten to the core. It is one thing to notice that a brand name has been tweaked, but that is only a matter of brand image. Why would they do it? Much more importantly, because, as with the United States of America, the original content has been almost totally lost. On the basis that of the finding that you need to eat a hundred apples to get the nutritional value of one apple fifty years ago, we find ourselves musing over the labelling on the packet instead of wondering what happened to the content.

[giovonni]

speaking of ...

From Lisa M. Harrison & Dani Arnold McKenny

One People Round Table 14 June 2016


Once upon a time, there were strangers in a strange land. Each day the landscape seems to ripple and change, and each night history re-wrote itself into a twisted tale of reality turned inside out.....

...No Really. It did!

Today's One People Show again revolved around our favorite game of "What If?", as Dani & Lisa sifted through this past week of insanity, following the tangled path that was/may be/will be/could be/wasn't our reality....

Today's inside out topics

Mandela Effects: changing the Assassination of JFK, warping the continents and countryside, not to mention a whole lot more changes in the bible.

CERN science students are "Happy" and was that a secret little message buried behind the bad dancing?

the Pope elevates Mary Magdalene to apostle-hood. ...and the weather outside is frightful. And wee bit floody. Everywhere.

Stay dry friends, and remember: there's no place like home.
..... wherever the hell that is.

Published on Jun 17, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFOoAJbVFJY&feature=em-uploademail

[arwen]

I was concerned about the closing of book stores and the move to digital. It gives them the power to change history without burning books. They just go in a rewrite it. They seem to have changed a lot of trivial things such as slogans and product names to see how the world will react.

Actually Savannah, you have hit on a very important point here. Not just bookstores, but also libraries and archives.

For years, in the archival and library professions, there has been this INSANE frantic rush and push to digitize collections and then destroy the originals or store them for "preservation" in secured locations inaccessible to the public. Those few in the profession who dared question this obvious insanity were shut down VERY quickly. The drivers and funders of this agenda were the Carnegie, Mellon, Ford, and most especially, Gates Foundations.

Scholarly articles about this are hidden behind paywalls, but there is one remaining open access reference I could find referring to this drive here (http://crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/paperoriginal.htm) and the relevant quote is:


The growing urge to digitize and then discard the books in libraries is also based on the ideology of replication. There is nothing wrong with digitizing books and newspapers as long as it never becomes a pretext to destroy the originals. They are the real matter of which real history is made.


This is mainstream discourse, so something like a discussion of the Mandela effect would be dismissed outright in that arena, but it is interesting to juxtapose the mainstream agenda to digitize and then either destroy or lock away originals from public access with this phenomenon. The mainstream occurrences tend to support alteration of digital data, but of course do not account for the Memory alteration aspect, which is a whole other can of worms.

[Foxie Loxie]

Excellent observation, arwen. I'm thinking a lot of the language change, could be just that. Language does change over the centuries, doesn't it? Texting seems to have destroyed what we know as "language". I still like to sit down & write a personal note to friends; maybe I'm just old-fashioned! :highfive:

[arwen]

Even Fritz Springmeier has now weighed in on this so-called "Mandela effect".

He writes from his Christian perspective, of course, but in my view he has identified the key component of the manipulability of digital data as being a factor.

He posted this today:


Fritz Artz Springmeier

A NEW PSYOP OF CHAOS v. CHRIST, THE SAME YEST., TODAY, & FOREVER: A message on Satan's World, the MANDELA EFFECT.(20 JUNE '16) In Scripture & our spiritual walk we know that God Almighty and Christ don't shift or change. For instance HEB 8:13, "Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and today, and forever." And JAS 1:17b, "...the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." So when we see history being manipulated in front of our eyes, we see the precursor to Satan's grand finale, the great deceptions of the end times with the Anti Christ.

THE MANDELA (aka Quantum) EFFECT. "The Phenomenon where a group of people discover that a global fact- one they feel they know to be true and have specific memories for has apparently changed in the world around them."

HEY LOOK AT THIS!- - People have been calling my attention to big changes this last month that are occurring all over. Dolores asked me about MT 9:17, what did Jesus say new wine was put in? Of course I thought of "new wineskins" which is how it has traditionally been translated. She said check your KJV (obtained in 2004) and it did indeed say "bottles". But my NKJV which I got in 1983 still said "wineskins". Bottles is a "stupid" translation that makes no sense, in fact my KJ Bible has a note to the side discussing the change, obviously someone realized people would notice the change. So what's new, they are trying to change the Bible??---that has been going the entire 20th century. But recently, the World controllers have been actively changing many things---rewriting history in a thousand ways--I have been concerned that this would happen with everything being recorded on computers--now history can be rewritten with a few strokes of key board. And this chaos of the past has been given a name the Mandela effect.

A FRIEND CHRIS ENCOURAGES ME TO WRITE SOMETHING. I brother in Christ encouraged me to write about the Mandela Effect. He described it so well I will reuse his own description: "Some people are trying to debunk this phenomena claiming it is not true and many Christians try to use the excuse that the lady who coined the term Mandela Effect has ties to the occult. Regardless of if that is indeed true it does not negate the facts that this phenomena is truly occurring and is real. I have very clear distinct memories on certain things and no one can persuade me to believe that those memories were false or it was a misperception."

"Here is the most current example regarding the JFK assassination film. I watched that film about 500 times over the years and the motorcade always contained only four people. Driver- William Greer, Passenger- Governor John Connaly, JFK & Jackie. Now all known footage of that event show a six person car which completely blew my mind. There was always a theory that the driver shot JFK and that would have never been plausible if two additional people were between JFK & Jackie. The majority of all people commenting on Reddit and Youtube also know for a fact that the motorcade only contained four people.

CHRIS CONT. "So some people believe that CERN opened some type of portal to create an alternate timeline and others believe this is the beginning of the lying wonders and deception that will accompany the arrival of the antichrist. [The explanation is probably not so extreme as an alternate timeline--what we are seeing is simply a massive manipulation of the record of past events. It shows the power of the World controllers. One example is how the mainstream media can twist & spin everything they report on Trump to be a negative. And in spite of their constant hammering, many Americans support him! They are finally seeing through the manipulation!!]

Here are more examples:

• Star Wars- Empire Strikes Back...Most popular movie quote- "Luke, I am your Father" but now in every known copy in existence the dialogue says "No, I am your father". Whether it is a DVD or a twenty year old VHS copy. A Google search currently displays articles claiming this was a misquote for years and it always said No and not Luke. I was able to find a clip of James Earl Jones where he specifically confirms he said Luke, I am your father.

• Also all copies in existence including old VHS and Laserdiscs of "Interview With A Vampire" are now called "Interview With The Vampire" -The Vampire Chronicles

• All copies of Forrest Gump now say Life was like a box of chocolates instead of Life is like a box of chocolates.

• The famous Field of Dreams line "If you build it, they will come" is now "If you build it, he will come"

• The Berenstein Bears apparently were always called The Berenstain Bears.

• All copies of Silence of the Lambs now say "Good evening" instead of "Hello Clarice" and a current Google search will also confirm this has been a misquote for years. How can millions of people misquote "Good evening" as "Hello Clarice"?

• All copies of Snow White now say "Magic, Mirror" instead of "Mirror, Mirror"

• Cup of Noodles is now Cup Noodles with no evidence in existence that it was called Cup of Noodles.

• Reddi Whip is now called "Reddi Wip" with no evidence it was ever called Reddi Whip and even super old ads will display the image as Reddi Wip.

• Febreeze is now called "Febreze" with no evidence it was ever called Febreeze.

• Desi Arnez is now Desi Arnaz
• Steven Segal is now Steven Seagal
• Shannon Doherty is now spelled Shannen Doherty
• Reba McIntyre is now spelled Reba McEntire
• Christopher Reeves is now spelled Christopher Reeve
• Rod Sterling is now spelled Rod Serling

WHERE ELSE ARE WE WARNED? Only the Word of God warns mankind of the end times deceptions that accompany the Anti Christ: "And then the lawless one [Anti Christ] will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one [Anti Christ] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved."(2 THES 2:10, emphasis on "love of the truth" mine.) Cling to the truth brothers and sisters. Love that truth. You know what happened, in JFK's motorcade. You know that Forrest Gump said, "Life is like a box of chocolates." We are not in an alternate universe, we are in an age of deception.

The source of his post can be found here (https://www.facebook.com/fritz.springmeier.9/posts/1025878980815338).

[muxfolder]

Since it's been confirmed by the scientists that we're living in a simulation, maybe the main computer was rebooted and some data were changed. Only some of remember some of the things in the previous reboot though we were not supposed to.

[Foxie Loxie]

Let's hear it for Libraries & books!!! :clapping:

[Sunny]

.
Folks, read this carefully: I'd quite like to put this on record.

My own concern is that we might be getting pulled BACK into a NEGATIVE timeline. That's all crazy stuff, too, but may not be impossible.

Reference: http://projectcamelot.org/t1v83.html


Several years ago I read Chet Snow's book "Mass Dreams of the Future". Rather than doing past life regressions, he asked people to view their future lives. He found that many people were describing similar scenarios. There were three scenarios that he described. Bear with me if this is wrong -- it was years ago -- but I believe the three scenarios were people living on space ships under tough conditions, people living in domed cities because of tough environmental conditions, and people living in small groups outside of domes roughing it out. It was a negative future.

I have received Chet and his wife Kallista's annual newsletter for several years. They don't discuss his book in it. It is about their other interests and their upcoming seminars. But a couple of years ago, he made an exception. He wrote that after writing Mass Dreams, he doubted if what he wrote was coming true. It seemed that things were improving for humanity. He had not seen the bad signs that would have happened by then. But he said that now he did feel that things were developing along the lines of his book. He felt that there was a grace period of about 10 years in the 1990's, but it was a window that closed again, and he felt we are on track for the scenarios in his book.

So I guess it is possible to get pulled back into a negative reality, but perhaps also possible to go back into a postive one.

[ZooLife]

Okay, I just read an article: Jane Goodall Says Zoo Had No Choice But to Kill Harambe the Gorilla (http://time.com/4374614/jane-goodall-harambe-gorilla/)

I thought, what? I remember Jane Goodall being dead, killed by poachers quite some time so I immediately checked online if others had detected this as a Mandela Effect and sure enough a number have.

Crazy stuff, really.

[OMG]

Hmmmmmmm. Although I do believe in alternate timelines, probabilities, or something akin to that, I'm not so sure what is mentioned in the video (posted above) is proof of that. At least half of the stuff he mentions as having been changed from how he remembers it, ........ well, my memory is that it's always been the same way as it is now. For instance, I remember:

Charles Shulz, not Charles Schultz
Jif peanut butter, not Jiffy
Cap'n Crunch, not Captain Crunch
"If you build it he will come", not "they will come".
Oscar Mayer, not Oscar Meyer
Skechers shoes, not Sketchers
Looney Tunes, not Looney Toons.
Diff'rent Strokes, not Different Strokes
Evel Knievel, not Evil Knievel

A few of the other examples I'm just not that familiar with to really have a memory of. Again, I do think anything is possible, and things can literally change. But it's also true that our brain doesn't always register what is really "there". That's why multiple people will have different memories of the same event.

So, who knows? :noidea:


How old are you?

Wonder if age has anything to do with this?

[ZooLife]

Okay, I just read an article: Jane Goodall Says Zoo Had No Choice But to Kill Harambe the Gorilla (http://time.com/4374614/jane-goodall-harambe-gorilla/)

I thought, what? I remember Jane Goodall being dead, killed by poachers quite some time so I immediately checked online if others had detected this as a Mandela Effect and sure enough a number have.

Crazy stuff, really.

Follow up:

I should clarify, I don't remember her death, my memory is of my Dad telling me about her death when I was a young girl fascinated by all things gorilla and particularly mountain gorillas.

Now after doing a little more reading I could be mistaken, I could be confusing Jane Goodall with Dian Fossey. It looks less like a Mandela Effect now, I will chalk it up to morning brain.

Hope this doesn't diminish the thread in any way, it's fascinating stuff people are posting here.

[Cidersomerset]

A post from David Ickes headline page a couple days ago......

Cern Unleashed - 'Gotthard Tunnel Ritual Reveals Portal To The Underworld'

By David on 20 June 2016 GMT Satanism, Symbolism



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Bizarre Opening Ceremony For Gotthard Base Tunnel In Switzerland

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[arwen]

Okay, I just read an article: Jane Goodall Says Zoo Had No Choice But to Kill Harambe the Gorilla (http://time.com/4374614/jane-goodall-harambe-gorilla/)

I thought, what? I remember Jane Goodall being dead, killed by poachers quite some time so I immediately checked online if others had detected this as a Mandela Effect and sure enough a number have.

Crazy stuff, really.

Follow up:

I should clarify, I don't remember her death, my memory is of my Dad telling me about her death when I was a young girl fascinated by all things gorilla and particularly mountain gorillas.

Now after doing a little more reading I could be mistaken, I could be confusing Jane Goodall with Dian Fossey. It looks less like a Mandela Effect now, I will chalk it up to morning brain.

Hope this doesn't diminish the thread in any way, it's fascinating stuff people are posting here.

Not at all, it actually adds a very important dimension to this thread. When I saw your post about Jane Goodall, I also had the same "Wait, what?" response, as I also remembered Jane Goodall being killed by poachers. My memory was based on seeing the film Gorillas in the Mist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillas_in_the_Mist) several years ago.

So like you, I did a search and found that it was indeed Dian Fossey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dian_Fossey) who the film was about. Jane Goodall also happened to do a lot of public research on monkeys, chimpanzees, etc, and speaks here (https://www.ted.com/talks/jane_goodall_on_what_separates_us_from_the_apes?language=en) about her work.

What your post highlights very crucially is the aspect of our MEMORY, and the fact that it can be fallible. There is also the subject of CONTESTED history, where people have conflicting memories and experiences, which lead to conflicting narratives.

I am paraphrasing here from a citation in my book, from an unpublished paper which highlights the critical role that our memories play.


Menhart noted that memory is comprised of several parts, and that it can be rigid and unable to be changed, or it can be fluid, and upon influence, be able to be changed. There are three types of memory - sensory (where a memories can be evoked from a cue from the senses such as sight, smell, sound), short term memory (which lasts for approximately 20 seconds, and unless that information is integrated, it can be lost), and long-term memory, which is the memory type relevant to this discussion.

Long term memory can be Procedural (where we use memory to learn how to perform tasks, such as learning to drive a car, and once integrated, this type of memory becomes automatic); Declarative (which is simply memory by rote - learning multipilcation, names, dates, etc) and Episodic (which remembers events and how they affect us personally).

So Episodic memory is what we are dealing with here. Menhert described how when we consider memory, we also need to include FORGETTING which can occur when there is a lack of retrieval cue to trigger the memory. People can trigger memories in each other, where they collectively shared an experience, and conflicts and differences in memory are enrichments to the narratives of our cultural heritage.

(Source: Menhert, A. (2011). Memory and heritage: how memory functions and how it can be used in heritage - Chief Albert Luthuli as a case study. Unpublished paper presented to the Museums and Memory workshop, 18 February 2011, Cape Town.)

UNESCO has a Memory of the World (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_of_the_World_Programme) programme, which tells us how important the aspect of Memory, especially recorded memory, is to them.

For me personally, most of the items referenced in the so-called "Mandela effect" have no meaning, as things like Bears and Looney tunes are not in my cultural heritage landscape, we did not have those shows and products here, so I have been unable to relate personally to this "Mandela effect", except for the actual Mandela aspect, where I seemed to have a childhood memory where he had died and there were riots, and then one week later he was back again, but it was my own memory that could have been flawed.

Memories can be changed and altered by ourselves, for a variety of reasons. I would personally prefer a more systematic method of dealing with the "Mandela effect", because the existing possibilities offered so far - timeline changes, timeline splicing, memory alterations and so on are mostly only accounted for by ideas PLANTED, predictive programming wise, through films such as Dark City (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118929/), and TV series such as Flashforward (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FlashForward) and especially Fringe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_(TV_series)).

Predictive programming leads us to the fallacy of confirmation bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias), and it would be good to have that aspect taken into account, while juxtaposing that with other data from Project Looking Glass (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/time_travel/project_lookingglass.htm), and what Bill Ryan mentions earlier in this thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91282-The-Mandela-Effect.-Is-this-CERN-Project-Pegasus-The-Montauk-Project-The-Philadelphia-Experiment&p=1074558&viewfull=1#post1074558).

Having said that, I am really glad this thread was started, as it is asking all the right questions. Most of the accounts dealing with this syndrome out there tend to be speculative, and subject to confirmation bias.

OK, will get off my soap box now. :bigsmile:

[BMJ]

We are "Happy" at CERN

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Check out Santa Claus at 2.30 minutes. This video was published in "4th November 2014"

Published on 3 Nov 2014

Take a "Happy" tour of some of CERN's famous sites! Video by an international group of students and features students, staff, and members of the larger CERN community.

Featuring "Happy" by Pharrell Williams and directed by CERN technical student Michal Laskowski.

[BMJ]

BEWARE: THERE IS SWEARING / CURSING IN THIS PRESENTATION.

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Published on 21 Jun 2016

More Mandela Bible Changes with Mary now a Saint! 1.00 MINUTES OR SO

More strange skies.

A disturbing video on D Wave Quantum Computing and it's implications for altering reality. 19.00 MINUTES

An explanation of 'Yellow Rose for Texas' POV on where and what this reality is really all about.

for all links and images please visit: http://www.lisamharrison.com/2016/06/...

Part of the above presentation:

Quantum Computing – Artificial Intelligence Is Here

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Published on 25 Aug 2015

Geordie Rose, Founder of D-Wave (recent clients are Google and NASA) believes that the power of quantum computing is that we can `exploit parallel universes’ to solve problems that we have no other means of confirming. Simply put, quantum computers can think exponentially faster and simultaneously such that as they mature they will out pace us. Listen to his talk now!

[louisecroukamp]

Hi All,
My name is Louise. I brand new member, just got my membership today in fact, thank you Avalon.

I must tell you guys that I have experienced time loops / jumps etc, even had physical objects disappear from my room, never to be found again... I will blog about those experiences in more detail soon.

For now though, I am absolutely mystified by this Mandela Effect experience as I clearly remember a large amount of the things that have changed.

I one that hit the hardest was our solar systems location in the Milkyway Galaxy.
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(hope this link works, lol, I'm new at this)

I clearly, 100% remember that we were located at the very tip of the Sagittarius arm on the outskirts of the galaxy, close to the large cloud. I nearly died of shock when I saw that we are now on the other side of the galaxy, smack in the middle on the Orion arm. This really has me speechless, I have searched my behind off for any proof of the old location to no avail. How even?

After many hours of watching examples and researching changes I know for sure have changed, I sat and thought long and hard about how this could be possible. I'm a Libra, so I must look at every angle possible, I do this until I drive myself mad.

My main argument, after reading many comments about us being confused and having bad memories, is this:
How is it that all who remember the differences, remember the exact same differences? All who remember the current examples, remember the exact same thing. With no in-between...

I mean, if the quote is: "If you build it, they will come" replaced with "If you build it, he will come", then why do we all remember only those two options? What are the chances that no one remembers them; she; others; all; some... Etc

Is that possible, I've never seen everyone has the exact same confusion...

To me this seems like an experiment on a mass scale. The mass amount of YouTube coverage is the best way to gather Intel on what percentage of their test subjects were effected and in which way...

Or a time line change. Those are the only logical conclusions I can think of.

[louisecroukamp]

Yes! We have had some strange experiences like that:

My brother was in bed, it was around 10pm, when he saw the lights of a car pulling into his driveway. The driver got out out of the car, shut the car door and started calling out his name from the gate. My brother decided not to answer as the visitor was unannounced at a late hour and he did not recognize the voice. The next day he checked the cameras and there was no evidence of any visitor whatsoever, BUT he saw himself walk past the camera. He was in bed, so that was not possible.

I experienced an entire day that I lived two years ago, right down to the news articles I read and YouTube videos I watched. Even my phones apps went back in time. I checked for updates and there were none. I told my husband that the Internet uploaded the wrong backup or something. It was mental. His phones apps were different versions to mine. We lost our minds.

My husband had a clear memory of being in Antarctica, with Vladimir Putin, operating Haarp. I asked him how it worked and he explained it to me as if he was remembering that exact day. I told him that he has never been to Antarctica, nevermind even met Vladimir and he looked at me totally confused... It was crazy. He had more memories like that the same weekend. It was the same weekend that I lived the same day twice... This was about 3 months ago.

We have had more experiences like this in the past few months.

It's scary and exciting all at the same time. Hard to explain...

[DNA]

Thank you Louise, some wonderful examples. I really appreciate personal examples like the ones you shared.

[Shannon]

We are "Happy" at CERN

H0Lt9yUf-VY

Check out Santa Claus at 2.30 minutes. This video was published in "4th November 2014"

Published on 3 Nov 2014

Take a "Happy" tour of some of CERN's famous sites! Video by an international group of students and features students, staff, and members of the larger CERN community.

Featuring "Happy" by Pharrell Williams and directed by CERN technical student Michal Laskowski.

Oy that was hard to watch...I got to about 54 seconds.

[louisecroukamp]

It's my pleasure, thank you for sharing these experiences with me. I am truly blessed that we don't have to feel so alone anymore... It's scary sometimes.

[seah]

Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.
The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.
Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.
Seth states it's like a river, a large river and this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.
From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.


What is different in terms of the Seth Material and this Mandela effect, is that it seems there is not a consensus decision being made in the collective unconscious. We are having memories of various realities among various groups of people, and this screams of some kind of technological tampering.


Avalon has seen it's fair share of "timeline" threads and for the most part I've never bit. I've always felt that spirit would supersede science in this respect, and that what ever timeline alterations were occurring would have to be okayed on a spiritual level, and thus a consensus of the collective unconscious would take place and we would all agree on reality. But if we are now NOT all agreeing on reality, I'm a little troubled as to how far this could go, and have THEY figured out a way for technologically altering or combining realities thus superseding spiritual laws.


Is this CERN? Project Pegasus? The Montauk Project? The Philadelphia Experiment? Tesla Technology?


For an introduction to the Mandela Effect see the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjqZEAIkgE

interesting questions DNA. Who can really say what's going on at CERN? My guess is that their using the stolen Tesla data to open portals and/or manipulate the grid.

I totally agree with Roberts' view of alternate timelines, that past and future are fluid, though I'm not on board with that "altering the past" actually means what it implies. My issue with the Mandela effect is the stories I've read this far all have to do with American pop culture being altered, and our memory can paint an inaccurate picture at times.
I'd be more interested to read stories of timeline issues of a more global or even personal nature.

[Shannon]

Alterations in the timeline happen all of the time according to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. The difference with what Seth speaks of and this Mandela effect people are now talking about are in how our consciousness deals with it.
The Jane Robert's "Unknown Reality Volume One and Two" point to the past and future being fluid and alterable due to string theory, and yet string theory in a theoretical sense is never mentioned.
Seth states that different realities that agree on enough certain tenants will align and join.
Seth states it's like a river, a large river and this large river will have smaller tributaries flowing off from it making smaller rivers, these smaller rivers will have more tributaries coming off from it in the form of creeks. It is not uncommon for two creeks to meet and merge, or for two small rivers to meet and converge, and or any combination of what has been mentioned.
From what Seth states, this happens ALL the time. And we are not usually aware of it, due to the change being too small, and or our memories having a consensus in terms of what will be remembered.


What is different in terms of the Seth Material and this Mandela effect, is that it seems there is not a consensus decision being made in the collective unconscious. We are having memories of various realities among various groups of people, and this screams of some kind of technological tampering.


Avalon has seen it's fair share of "timeline" threads and for the most part I've never bit. I've always felt that spirit would supersede science in this respect, and that what ever timeline alterations were occurring would have to be okayed on a spiritual level, and thus a consensus of the collective unconscious would take place and we would all agree on reality. But if we are now NOT all agreeing on reality, I'm a little troubled as to how far this could go, and have THEY figured out a way for technologically altering or combining realities thus superseding spiritual laws.


Is this CERN? Project Pegasus? The Montauk Project? The Philadelphia Experiment? Tesla Technology?


For an introduction to the Mandela Effect see the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIjqZEAIkgE

interesting questions DNA. Who can really say what's going on at CERN? My guess is that their using the stolen Tesla data to open portals and/or manipulate the grid.

I totally agree with Roberts' view of alternate timelines, that past and future are fluid, though I'm not on board with that "altering the past" actually means what it implies. My issue with the Mandela effect is the stories I've read this far all have to do with American pop culture being altered, and our memory can paint an inaccurate picture at times.
I'd be more interested to read stories of timeline issues of a more global or even personal nature.


I found this video that has global maps being messed with...no maps ever seem very consistent to me, but this guy says there's some bold changes..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-jymxTRAWs

[muxfolder]

Has anyone done any research at all whether there's been some map changes that has been done recently internationally? I mean it's possible because of the technology used is more and more accurate.

[Wookie]

Muhammad Ali died before I was born. I believed that fully until a few months ago.

Peaceful Journeys Wookie

[Savannah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvce81BfYk

Interesting video about a man who has spent his life obsessed with the theories of Tesla and comments about his perceptions of Mandela effect. His comments fit the opening ceremonies video of CERN worm holes opening and Satan coming in.

[Savannah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL3EKQNps7Q

He further discusses the astrological changes noted with the Mandela effect.

[DNA]

Has anyone done any research at all whether there's been some map changes that has been done recently internationally? I mean it's possible because of the technology used is more and more accurate.

If folks will go back to the 1st page of this thread, Bill put together this response for a lot of the map changes, and it is really a great job on his part. I'm not sure which tv show the youtube video comes from, but it is REALLY good, and folks should give it the couple of minutes to watch it.





In relation to the world map I remember South America being almost directly below North America, Iceland being alot smaller and New Zealand was a lot closer to Australia and further North, with Wellington being almost the same latitude as Sydney.


Well, we do have to be careful about that kind of thing. There are many different kinds of map projections, none of them 'accurate'.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVX-PrBRtTY

http://livelearnevolve.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/peters-projection-comparison-world-map.jpg


Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

[seah]

That "Mandela Effect explained" video was a good find, Shannon. This man was apparently fortunate to look at some of the 'missing' papers of Tesla, is my understanding, and he began his own research into dimensions, he personally looked into dimensions 1-9 and had some interesting things to say. Some of what he says is collaborated by obe experiencers and remote viewers. Here is someone I would love to sit down with for a long chat.

He explains the Mandela Effect as the result of merging dimension 2 with ours, which he calls 1d; he claims CERN is responsible, that I can't say, but I have personally experienced that effect on several occasions and once I had a witness with me.

Some further interesting stuff found in comments of video about the Elohim.

[Shannon]

That "Mandela Effect explained" video was a good find, Shannon. This man was apparently fortunate to look at some of the 'missing' papers of Tesla, is my understanding, and he began his own research into dimensions, he personally looked into dimensions 1-9 and had some interesting things to say. Some of what he says is collaborated by obe experiencers and remote viewers. Here is someone I would love to sit down with for a long chat.

He explains the Mandela Effect as the result of merging dimension 2 with ours, which he calls 1d; he claims CERN is responsible, that I can't say, but I have personally experienced that effect on several occasions and once I had a witness with me.

Some further interesting stuff found in comments of video about the Elohim.

Thank you, but I think DNA posted the video you're speaking of...credit where credit is do ... :D I watched/listened to the video as well and was equally fascinated.

Also, for some reason this thread came to mind when I saw this video earlier ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_KoqVtwYbQ

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[Inversion]

I was thinking of things that can be checked to determine how far back the Mandela Effect goes. The rock & soil samples from the moon could be re-dated. The composition of KT boundary could be checked for anomalies. Fossil records from abundant sources could be checked for distribution patterns and types of life forms. Tree rings from ancient trees could be analyzed. Stalagmites could be cross sectioned because they contain a record of water and atmospheric conditions going back thousands of years.

[DNA]

The opening of GROUND ZERO, is about two minutes, which is a collection of spooky sounds and quirky dialogue, just FYI so you can skip it. Clyde Lewis seems very aware of what is going on. Ground Zero is gaining ground on Coast to Coast but comparable in it's format.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE4rXEge54

[seah]

I am usually backlogged on video watching and when I do watch, it's a wonder I can keep track of where they originally came from, but that confusion between Shannon and DNA's videos actually came from a note I made beside it, go figure.

I finally watched the one about Mandela Effect and maps having been changed, the channel is called "one harmony", and I have huge concerns about what he's saying; the fact that google earth and maps in general are showing these differences from past maps doesn't prove there is Mandela Effect, that people from a different earth have been brought here, as he's claiming, at all.
For one thing, it proves to me that google earth and those in charge are having a field day making what ever changes they please, to fit some new paradigm they have adopted. In fact, for instance, the south of Europe and Morocco is exactly the same size as it has been during my life span because I am in contact with people there who have verified it.They can't fool some of us with their mucking around with reality, problem is, fifty years from now it will be taken as fact, as we are now finding out.

[arwen]

Here is a very well presented Deconstruction of the so-called "Mandela effect" as a psyop, gaslighting the masses. This is NOT to say that timeline shifts do not occur, but in view of the hype around it all, Hope Girl and Mel Ve make some very valid points, well worth considering.

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[Savannah]

This video explains what many here have already pointed out that most of the examples are either poor memory or deliberate psy-op spin. Her theory it was to sell a book or movie does not seem to hold water since that never occurred. By proving some things wrong, does not prove it is ALL wrong. When someone explains to me how an historical figure like Eli Whitney, a black man is now white I may chock this up to all nonsense or psy-op alone. My memory of that is solid, why else would I remember or care who invented the a dam cotton gin!

[arwen]

Dear Savannah,

Thank you so much for taking the time to view the video.

I just want to clarify my reason for posting it, and add a few perspectives from my own view, and after that, I will be done with this thread.

My intention was definitely NOT to invalidate you and others who have real experiences of different memories of things that are now changed. Rather, I have been urging caution on this because of the nature of this Meme, the so called “Mandela” effect. My only intention is to bring other narratives into this, as it is healthy to view all sides of a debate, take them into consideration, and then decide for yourself.

Without these challenges, it simply becomes another mind virus which derails the original examinations into the very real phenomenon of timeline changes, memory disparities and timeline resets. There have been a number of very valid inquiries into this by whistleblowers in the past, all of which have now been swept up into one meme, which is grouping thought streams into a manageable data set that can be easily algorithmized and manipulated.

You are quite correct, Hope Girl and Mel Ve’s opinion about the motives of the originator of the term of the “Mandela” effect are pure speculation, and they erred in not making it clear that they were speculating. There could be a number of reasons behind her creation of this meme, including that she could have been “impulsed” to do it, and unaware of that impulse. Or, Occam’s Razor, she could simply have spoken to one person, and without doing any further research, reached a conclusion and created a meme.

I can share this – the one piece of this “Mandela” effect that did have me is that I DID remember Nelson Mandela disappearing for a while, and rumours were that he had died in prison, there were some protest riots, the thing died down, and then about a year later, suddenly, he was back on the scene.

Mel Ve is 100% correct on the reason for that. And I had forgotten, because this factor has been conveniently scrubbed from the public and official narrative. He WAS taken to a luxury mansion, and lived in luxury for several years before they were ready to trot him out for his public role. THAT is definitely true. Mel Ve gave the impression that he did no time as a prisoner, and just lived in luxury – not completely true, he did do some time, for a few years, but the remainder of his supposed incarceration was living in luxury, while the other struggle icons suffered in prison. He was hand-picked to be a symbol, and icon, and a very careful narrative – a construct – was scripted in preparation for that, for many years.

So for me, the root origin of this meme, the “Mandela effect” has definitely been debunked, and it should change its name to another term. But alas, the majority of the people chasing this rabbit hole will never look at that or acknowledge it, so the meme sticks.

I have a problem with complex phenomenon being reduced to a meme or a hashtag, as that is true Orwellian thought reduction, and limits our ability to think in our own terms, and we end up thinking in the limited terms they want us to think in.

My own view, finally, is that WE are powerful creators, and WE create our own timelines. If the Powers That Should Not Be are tampering, so what? I personally am not giving my attention and energy into feeding their creation. I prefer to give my all to my own creations and co-creations with others.

In regard to that, Tom Kenyon's article The Art of Jumping Timelines (http://tomkenyon.com/jumping-time-lines) is beautifully simple, clear and shows how we can create our own timeline changes for the better if we want to.

Just my two cents worth, and I do apologise if anyone has taken my comments here and previously as invalidation of their views – it truly was not intended that way, rather, I am simply urging a broadening of scope to include a range of possibilities, and not be limited to simply looking at it and seeing which ones apply - that is the reduction, and that is also the hijack and derail of all previous legitimate inquiry along these lines.

My very best to all,

arwen

[BMJ]

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One People Round Table 12 July 2016

Published on 12 Jul 2016

As the Mandela effect gets more and more personal we are also hearing stories about the ME effect being used to intentionally mess with minds.

More strange skies and images from of the Sun, a quick look at CERN and what the Texas False Flag distracted us from.

For images and links see: http://www.lisamharrison.com/2016/07/...

[DNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49TDCNklRU0

A quick to the point excellent break down of what CERN is for non-egg heads.

[Snoweagle]

The Mandela Effect is a very real phenomenon and it is a characteristic of all living things. Water has memory. Gaia our world is awash with the stuff both in organic and inorganic forms. All mixed and muddled up in the chemistry we measure with our sciences. It promotes life and recycles death. For a great understanding of the principles I refer I recommend the following video by Masterskaya, Water the Great Mystery:
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We are all interconnected directly to each other. No matter where you are on the planet you are connected to everyone else. An absurd statement you will agree, so what on earth am I referring to?
It's entirely due to what we euphemistically call our subconscious. Regardless of whom you are or however you live your lives or the past you have experienced you still live another day. We describe our life essence as dependant on food and water and the secondary reasons of shelter and clothing yadda, yadda, yadda.
Our brains are dual hemispheres that sit upon our spine. In techy talk, that is two polarised magnetically sensitive hemispheres sitting upon a bipolar antennae that runs down our backs. It is this arrangement in all mammals that interacts with our environment, not just the stuff we see and touch but also the magnetic fields that surround us, including that of Gaia herself.

Water runs through our bodies and it is that cyclical and circular flow that impacts our subconscious. We can transfer memories to each other by transferring water between each other, a practice that must be in shared agreement. It is only then beneficial and positive. Enforced duty in this respect has a contrary effect. Similarly, drinking the blood of the enemy, infuses the drinker with the characteristics of your enemy, not recommended as that which remains is distressed fluid and will cause harm. Organ transplant recipients have taken on the characteristics of the donor and even taken on tertiary aspects of the donors ancestors, mother or father and so on. This is fact.

Have you ever shed a tear or cried at the loss of a loved one. This process we describe as grief or remorse and we all know we always recover and go on with life. So what is happening there. Well what is happening is the body is clearing the field energy associated with the subconscious contact with that person. By example, mothers of children instinctively know when her siblings are in difficulty or harms way. They are unable to explain this feeling but they just know. This intuition is driven by the waters ability to fuel our dynamic magnetic field and the waters relationship between mother and child. This field is measurable with Kirilian photography by our manufactured electrical devices.

When we collectively all agree something and allow ourselves to accept without measure a particular belief, we will all behave or interact in support of that belief. We interconnect without fully realising the extent that we do. Especially when it is positive, beneficial and loving. Those seeking to take advantage of this interaction are easily seen and avoided.

So the Mandela Effect.
The past is the past, the now is today and the future is open to us. We can make that future anything we want. By collectively sharing an equilibrium that stages balance for everyone will be attainable so long as our consciousness is not corrupted. Our subconscious, is the engine that enables us to share over long distances our feelings and emotions. We do not have direct contact with the subconscious yet we know it exists and we experience it working when we collaborate together. When we are are emotionally active and are endocrine system starts working to compensate, this sends a broadcast message up and down our spine which is the magnetic dipole, which drives our pineal gland, which activates our hemispheres and transmits that into Gaia's magnetic field that surrounds us. This transmission appears around the world and into space, instantly. It is that change by the endocrine system, our chakras, that links all mammals and life forces we engage with. ie women love flowers growing around them, men love animal husbandry, yadda, yadda, yadda etc.

So when we talk about our memories of the past in terms of Chipmunk crisps, Corona lemonade and Eye Spy booklets all we are doing is seeking the emotive content by which we originally experienced them, this then provides us with the memory. How many remember Aberfan? I was ten years old, it occurred just after the controversial World Cup final. How many remember without looking it up? As a ten year old I cried as I watched this in black and white. It is as vivid today as it was then, yet the detail I recall doesn't match exactly that as now portrayed as recorded here on the internet. I remember the children at their desks yet no record exists of this fact. The emotive engagement is extremely strong and the real detail is insignificant. But we all do this and all practice this everyday.

In France the French people have been warned to expect constant deaths in the streets as normal, by making that announcement they will collectively accept it and live their lives in fear every day. Constantly emotively active consciously yet their subconscious still seeks an equilibrium because their innermost desire seeks it as do we all. This creates the conflict that corrupts our community. All be design.

In the Ukraine, the infusion of constant community hatred has been driven for years with the fabricated angst with Russia, pounding on the memories of the distant past into the new generations that have no memory of those original events. This is driven by Swiss Oligarchs and the Khazarian Mafia driven US Government, the true fascists of this world. Yet the Ukrainian people in consort with their own families are at peace and they thrive. This fire of hatred has to be constantly stoked.

This drive of difference between mind and body is externally forced by tertiary events we have been educated to accept are necessary and foolishly readily accept for the collective good. Only by stepping back and denying congress to that which conflicts with our oneness with everything will we ever be free. Then we will all be aware of our subconscious interacting with one another whereas now it is our conscious that drives us relentlessly to follow the next great idea which invariably fails too. All by design.

Here in the UK we have voted to leave the EU, the pain now being prepared for the people of England will be enormous. Only by confronting those that enforce this hardship will the majority survive. I expect on current form of the English behaviour there will be a strong lack of acceptance to the changes each of us have to make. Yet, if we set our beliefs to align without differences forced upon us we will overcome the coming attrition. Here's a warning from Craig Paul Roberts of the coming storm impacting the future of the UK:
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Bear in mind also. Theresa May is not our friend. She has forced through loss of privacy and now has loaded her cabinet with losers of exceptionally poor talent. Knowing this makes our planning together collectively more productive and positive.

[Nick Matkin]

Just read that that Planet X/Nibiru etc. has completely vanished all due to the Mandela effect caused by CERN.

How about that then!? Proof to some that the Mandela effect is real...

[Chester]

Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

this gets back to the idea of consciousness and our minds being of a quantum nature, and how the offices of naval research stated in one study, that DNA was superconductive, and if superconductive (my explanation which science is now proposing), thus, 'outside of time'.

Neurons are physical,and electrical, and electricity is plasma and plasma is electrons, and in connectivity with one another and are essential to the idea of superconductivity. And all reality, for that ,er, matter (pun intended). Our fault lies in our measurement tools..... which revert back to time based systems. So we don't see or understand it, in the idea and expression of mundane engineered scientific method, tool, and protocol.


An important point is that superconductivity is out of time and if DNA is superconductive it is also outside of time, within some aspects and so are all "atomic" structures, but we don't see that particular aspect in our day to day lives. Instant timeless spooky action at a distance, is the issue at hand.

In Lynn McTaggart's book' the Field', the meta studies done on psychic research, a specific one..where three scientific groups had a testing of psychic capacities proposed to them.

Proposed by a group who had a good idea and wanted to test it, conclusively. They noticed something in all the psychic tests done and zeroed in on the issue.

All three groups agreed, that the test was absolutely foolproof, and that psychic sensitivity would be completely factually proven to be one way or another, in strict scientific protocol, in utter perfection.

A done deal, forever, "the end", no more doubt or discussion... with dynamite and a hammer. "**** you universe, this is it this is the ultimate truth" kinda thing, each group to be smug and satisfied in the results.

The three scientific test groups groups were carefully selected.

Group one was made up of non believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group two was made up of believers in psychic sensitivity.
Group three was made up of agnostics in psychic sensitivity.

they each completed the tests they said, beforehand, tests that were absolutely faultless and they staked their ass and reputations on this. After all, this is the sort of thing they do for a living and by training ---day in and day out.

group one, the non believers, found a negative result, that psychic sensitivity was garbage, it does not exist.

Group two, found that to a level that was beyond the capacity to ignore or put away, that people had/have psychic sensitivity, that it was unstoppably real, undeniably real, no possibility of proving their results wrong.

The agnostic group, who was open to anything, open to there being no psychic sensitivity and there being actual psychic sensitivity..their results were totally ambiguous. Their results were in the middle, that it could be said real and not real, it could go, or be read in their results..as being either way.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This leaves you with the startling conclusion that humans integrate, in consciousness, with the idea of reality... that reality is 100% malleable via consciousness, from our point of view.

that we can steer through time and probability and steer through reality formation, even making and breaking reality, dimensionality, atomically, and with respect to time and timelines.

That all is real and nothing is real, in simultaneous function and form.

That the universe is as Max Plank, the father of quantum sciences said, an intelligence, a consciousness.

That you are of it and it is of you.

If you don't want to believe or understand this, well, you can make this happen.

If you want to believe and understand this, well, you can make that happen.

that reality is literally, in all ways possible, what you make of it, collectively and individually.

~~~~~~~~~~

So we then come to the idea of a controlling group who wants to control people's perception, to make sure humanity remains as a commodity, a owned unintelligent, uninformed thing. A tool and toy for their use, whatever that may be. What game is this, exactly?

If you want intelligence, if you want to understand, if you want to expand...you'll have to make that happen. Literally. If you want the training wheels to come off, you'll have to navigate this transition period and position, very very carefully.

Humanity's first wobbly unassisted bike ride.

Perhaps the best post I ever read on Avalon (found it only today, July 24, 2016). Thanks wasn't near enough.

[Houman]

Not sure yet what to do with this (mandela effect vs editing of religious texts vs...) but I guess that this should go here

From
https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/40rary/when_did_the_bible_change_the_lion_will_lay_down/



"I've checked other verses in the KJV paper bible I've had for the past 30 years and many other verses have changed as well.

This one is particularly disturbing. It's red line (Jesus speaking):

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Jesus taught "love your enemies" - that's the example he set for all humanity while he walked the earth during his first coming. He came "to save, not to destroy." Now it's "slay them before me"!?

The verses before Luk 19:27 don't appear to be correct either. The way I read those, Jesus is reciting a parable to take from the "have not's" (poor) and give to those who "have" (rich). He also makes reference to putting money into a "bank for when he returns" (Luk 19:23). A bank!? Seriously?

Here's another one:

Mat_9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Bottles?! It should be wineskins. Corks may fail but bad wine doesn't make bottles break. And since when were there bottles back then?

I'm thankful I've read my Bible enough over the years to know when verses don't look right or are downright wrong.

(IMO, these changes appear to be a Bible version the false prophet and/or anti-christ will be using in the not-too-distant future.)"


see also
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[DNA]

Not sure yet what to do with this (mandela effect vs editing of religious texts vs...) but I guess that this should go here

From
https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/40rary/when_did_the_bible_change_the_lion_will_lay_down/



"I've checked other verses in the KJV paper bible I've had for the past 30 years and many other verses have changed as well.

This one is particularly disturbing. It's red line (Jesus speaking):

Luk 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Jesus taught "love your enemies" - that's the example he set for all humanity while he walked the earth during his first coming. He came "to save, not to destroy." Now it's "slay them before me"!?

The verses before Luk 19:27 don't appear to be correct either. The way I read those, Jesus is reciting a parable to take from the "have not's" (poor) and give to those who "have" (rich). He also makes reference to putting money into a "bank for when he returns" (Luk 19:23). A bank!? Seriously?

Here's another one:

Mat_9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

Bottles?! It should be wineskins. Corks may fail but bad wine doesn't make bottles break. And since when were there bottles back then?

I'm thankful I've read my Bible enough over the years to know when verses don't look right or are downright wrong.

(IMO, these changes appear to be a Bible version the false prophet and/or anti-christ will be using in the not-too-distant future.)"


see also
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The biblical changes are something that blew me away as well.
I mean I went to Sunday school as a kid, and read the bible a few times and I know there was a passage that read .
"And the Lamb shall lay down with the Lion"
Now the passage reads "And the lamb will lay down with the wolf".
I swear from memory this passage has been reused over and over through the course of my life, so to see it changed as such blows me the F**K away.

[Houman]

The biblical changes are something that blew me away as well.
I mean I went to Sunday school as a kid, and read the bible a few times and I know there was a passage that read .
"And the Lamb shall lay down with the Lion"
Now the passage reads "And the lamb will lay down with the wolf".
I swear from memory this passage has been reused over and over through the course of my life, so to see it changed as such blows me the F**K away.

Well as Fritz mentioned distortions have been purposefully and gradually introduced in the bible (i.e even in the KJV), now if that mandela effect is not just another psyop then one should see those changes in old (printed) editions of the KJV (those kept in museums, in old libraries or an old copy kept in the family, etc...) that should be something easy to check...

[Houman]

This one is claimed to be the original KJV
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-Chapter-65_Original-1611-KJV/

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible-Original/Isaiah-Chapter-65-66.jpg

25 The wolfe and the lambe shall feede together, and the lyon shall eate straw like the bullocke: and dust shalbe the serpents meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountaine, sayth the Lord.25

[Foxie Loxie]

We all know that languages gradually change over time....Don't we? :confused:

[BMJ]

WARNING THERE IS SOME USE OF COLOURFUL LANGUAGE

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Lisa and Dani - Amber Alert Mandela Effect, 911, Timelines shifting, CERN and WTF is going on!

Published on 12 Jul 2016

This was originally posted only on Dani's channel, reposting here for subscribers to my channel who may have missed it and have no context for references made since.

Amber Alert: Mandela Effect, 911, Timelines shifting, CERN and WTF is going on!
Yesterday, Saturday June 4th 2016, Lisa and I had an unscheduled recorded discussion to lay out a whole lotta crazy information that we had been wading through for the past 36 hours.

A couple of days ago, a friend sent us some information that she had come across in early 2013 that opened a line of questioning down a rabbit hole that we hadn't looked at before. The basic premise: that on dec 21 2012 "they" inserted the 9/11 false flag "terrorist attacks" BACK into our timeline, thus changing our timeline into a highly violent negative war filled timeline. This was done through CERN time manipulations.

....Needless to say, this theory opened up a LOT of discussion into CERN (which was shut down after it's last "test run" on December 21 2012), and how it took them over 2 years to rebuild it. Then again CERN fired up in early 2015....and the ****ery began wildly oscillating all over the place in the past year.

Our conversation yesterday dove deep into discussing the Mandela Effect- the whys and hows, shifting timelines and/or dimensions, and a very interesting look at a video discussing Amber- a la Fringe! Below Yesterdays recording, I will post the links and other videos that we discussed.

For links see http://www.lisamharrison.com/2016/06/...

[Inversion]

Someone with bible code software should check the Torah for 'Mandela Effect' or just 'Mandela'. If there are alterations in Torah it would imply an exotic technology is/was being used. Adding or removing even a single letter from the Torah will disallow the codes from being located. Just the fact that Genesis is an anagram for See Sign and Beresh*t is an anagram for See Birth proves the Bible/Torah is encoded.

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Genesis: "origin" (Hebrew: Beresh*t – "In the beginning")
Exodus: "going out" (Hebrew: Shemot – "Names")
Leviticus: "relating to the Levites" (Hebrew: Vayikra, – "And he called")
Numbers: numbering of the Israelites (Hebrew: Ba Midbar – "In the desert")
Deuteronomy: "second law" (Hebrew: D'varim – "Words")

http://www.aish.com/h/sh/tat/48969731.html

•A Torah Scroll is disqualified if even a single letter is added.
•A Torah Scroll is disqualified if even a single letter is deleted.
•The scribe must be a learned, pious Jew, who has undergone special training and certification.
•All materials (parchment, ink, quill) must conform to strict specifications, and be prepared specifically for the purpose of writing a Torah Scroll.
•The scribe may not write even one letter into a Torah Scroll by heart. Rather, he must have a second, kosher scroll opened before him at all times.
•The scribe must pronounce every word out loud before copying it from the correct text.
•Every letter must have sufficient white space surrounding it. If one letter touched another in any spot, it invalidates the entire scroll.
•If a single letter was so marred that it cannot be read at all, or resembles another letter (whether the defect is in the writing, or is due to a hole, tear or smudge), this invalidates the entire scroll. Each letter must be sufficiently legible so that even an ordinary schoolchild could distinguish it from other, similar letters.
•The scribe must put precise space between words, so that one word will not look like two words, or two words look like one word.
•The scribe must not alter the design of the sections, and must conform to particular line-lengths and paragraph configurations.
•A Torah Scroll in which any mistake has been found, cannot be used, and must be fixed within 30 days, or buried.

[Flash]

This one is claimed to be the original KJV
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-Chapter-65_Original-1611-KJV/

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611-Bible-Original/Isaiah-Chapter-65-66.jpg

25 The wolfe and the lambe shall feede together, and the lyon shall eate straw like the bullocke: and dust shalbe the serpents meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountaine, sayth the Lord.25

I am French speaking, originally catholic, and here it always was the wolfe and the lamb.

Checking with the Torah is a very good idea Inversion.

[Daughter of Time]

Timelines are shifting!

Does the Mandela effect prove this? No! I'd never heard of Mandela being dead until he died recently. But that's just my experience.

Does product name changes prove this? No! The advertising company for such a product decided to modify the name because of some selling strategy or something along that line.

Does the replacement of "a" for "the" or "and" for "in" prove this? No! Sometimes people speak rather fast and those words can sound the same or people can make a simple mistake in the pronunciation of short words.

Do changes in maps prove this? No! Maps are drawings and we will never know which of those drawings is accurate, if any!

Do changes in Scriptures prove this? No!
I have a friend whose father is a "Doctor of Divinity" and he reluctantly admitted that the Scriptures are revised almost every time they are re-printed.
I have another friends whose father is a "Doctor of Theology" and he reluctantly admitted pretty much the same thing.

Do personal experiences prove this? Yes, but only to the experiencer! As an experiencer, I do believe other people's paranormal experiences, many of which have been extremely dark for me.

In my search for answers to my own bizarre experiences I have found someone I resonate with on very profound levels. Some of her lectures sound as if they were dictated by me, as the experiences she describes are my experiences exactly. I'm not alone! This person's name is Lisa Renee.

Lisa's "July 2016" newsletter is titled "Shifting Timelines" in which she describes how the timelines have begun to shift since the end of 2012 (the end of the world as we knew it) and will culminate at the end of 2017. For those who are not prepared, these times will be extremely tumultuous and will be catapulted into a "Dark Night of the Soul".

She discusses:

the Shifting into Second harmonic Universe

the dissolution of lower dimensional layers

the collapsing of 3D timelines

and the preparation for these major changes

and many other things which will be found by those who are interested

If you wish to read the details, visit www.energeticsynthesis.com for the July 2016 Timelines Shift Newsletter

With best wishes for a smooth shift!

And with love,

Daughter of Time

[Inversion]

Mandela Effect has been found in bible code along with CERN and Shiva. There's seven companion videos that posted to YouTube in the last couple of days. :unsure:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX16NwCSxc8

[Enola]

Two things I've noticed.

First, the brand name "Depend" for adult diapers. I'm sure it was "Depends" as I remember seeing an English commercial for it when I was 10 and didn't understand the name.

Another thing, Shannon Doherty seems to have changed name, or is now called Shannen in the media but most people still write Shannon.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi there, Houman: :waving:

This is potentially interesting stuff, but if I understand you right (and I may not! :bigsmile: ) looking back at old documents and records doesn't actually mean anything in this discussion. What is or isn't happening is de facto unprovable. Period.

A timeline shift, is such a thing is possible (and maybe it is) would also change every bit of the domino-effect cause-and-effect history that brings us to the present (new) moment.

The theme here — and many are still misunderstanding this, both on the forum and on YouTube, as best as I can see — is that if the physical universe 'jumps' sideways just a little (or something!), then it's only our (partly non-physical) memories that display the remaining anomaly.

I wrote here (my post #19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91282-The-Mandela-Effect.-Is-this-CERN-Project-Pegasus-The-Montauk-Project-The-Philadelphia-Experiment&p=1074647&viewfull=1#post1074647)), to illustrate this point:




Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.

[BMJ]

One People Round Table July 26 2016 - Mandela Effect gets Personal

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Published on 26 Jul 2016

This weeks One People Show continued the conversation from last week. We delved into many reports from friends experiencing the "Mandela Effect" on a very personal level, including Dani's own experience on arrived in Malta! As usual, the conversation veered down several avenues, including time loops, "history" and reviewing a few "older" experiences in a new light.

For links see: http://www.lisamharrison.com/2016/07/...

An interesting experience is put forward at the 6.00 minute mark, and one I agree with.
My personal feeling is that seperate time lines are merging and there are countless timelines running in parallel, see post #17. All seperate version of us are merging at this time hence the reason for the mandela effect and people having different memories of the same events etc. I feel this is a acension of sorts the actual merging of our different soul experiences into one.
The mandela effect is also a wake up call to the masses, and even events like the queen shapeshifting are signs to awaken the masses and a means of accelerating acension or whatever you want to call it.

[Jancy]

And apparently while listening to Kev Baker yesterday, who had Max Igan on his show. Max said he rang up his son in the US and asked him to get a Who album out Max bought way back and Pete Townsend is now spelt with a H, as in Pete Townshend.

[Houman]

.
Hi there, Houman: :waving:

This is potentially interesting stuff, but if I understand you right (and I may not! :bigsmile: ) looking back at old documents and records doesn't actually mean anything in this discussion. What is or isn't happening is de facto unprovable. Period.

A timeline shift, is such a thing is possible (and maybe it is) would also change every bit of the domino-effect cause-and-effect history that brings us to the present (new) moment.

The theme here — and many are still misunderstanding this, both on the forum and on YouTube, as best as I can see — is that if the physical universe 'jumps' sideways just a little (or something!), then it's only our (partly non-physical) memories that display the remaining anomaly.

I wrote here (my post #19 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91282-The-Mandela-Effect.-Is-this-CERN-Project-Pegasus-The-Montauk-Project-The-Philadelphia-Experiment&p=1074647&viewfull=1#post1074647)), to illustrate this point:




Regarding timeline jumps, seeing something in an old newspaper or encyclopedia really isn't proof at all. If the timeline jumped, the newspapers and encyclopedias would jump as well. Occam's Razor says it's FAR more likely that an old newspaper would have had an understandable typo in it (Fruit for Froot, etc). No 'proof' there.

But it's an interesting argument that our memories wouldn't necessarily have 'jumped' in the same way, as our memories are almost certainly non-physical things.

I read a fascinating discussion (and I'll see if I can find it) between some highly experienced — and educated, smart and sane — Mars image researchers, back in 2009-10. They were 100% certain that a certain image had changed. When they went back to look at their own personal hard copy printouts — they had changed as well.

All they had left was their memories, and they couldn't prove a thing.


Hi Bill,
Yes you are right if we are left are our memories then the only evidence would be just that and the number of people sharing those memories (this is why that pastor asks his parish to recite all at the same time specific scriptures from memory). However if the Mandela effect is a false interpretation of gradual changes made to the scriptures, our language, our culture then the effect could be dis-proven by going back to early documents (possibly in different languages) and observing the gradual changes. In the case of scriptures those gradual changes can be observed (e.g. the french version of the bible still uses "den of thieves" and not "house of merchandise").
Houman

[6pounder]

Hi every one
long time since i have posted or comented... was straying away abit from the alternative to my own bubble. yesterday i finally got pulled back out of it with an interesting thing that is going on now (maybe not so new but i just stumbled across this).
the Mandela effect.
so what is youre thought about it? is it a hoax? or is it something that should make us wonder who the hell was messing with everyone's memories?
here is a good documentary ive found (pretty fresh) that gave me the chills. gives alot of examples that blow my mind away.
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and another one by project camelot that i recomand watching that brought me into the subject at the first place.
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watch also part 2 on that channel.

cheers

[Foxie Loxie]

Hey, 6pounder! Have been wondering where you have been?! Have missed your cheery smile! :bigsmile: Hope things are going o.k. for you. :clapping:

[Cidersomerset]

I am not up on this thread as I cannot keep up with a fraction
of the discussions on this vibrant forum. But if I see the odd article
as I go thru the headline page ,I try to match them with a thread...


If this has already been posted ignore....

Terrifying Phenomena Reported Over CERN

By David on 3 August 2016 GMT

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Jaw dropping photos taken above CERN’s Large Hadron Collider lead to wild new conspiracy theories

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[Inversion]

It appears there's a Windows update like effect adding & removing things from our reality. This video shows that sections with new paper & ink are appearing in old books.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttmk5Jxyw94

[KiwiElf]

Is CERN literally turning the Earth into a Time Machine, and if so, to force it into a timeline that "someone" wants? :idea:

[Cidersomerset]

Synchronicity I have been listening to Kerry interview Gary Heseltine UK Ufologist.
Which is very good and I have posted it as a thread. Anyway I was listening to it
while doing something else in another room. So as the vid finished the next starts
playing and I'm listening to it now. The funny thing is I did not know what the
Mandela effect was until now. Again if this has been posted ignore it looks like I'm
listening to part 2 first......

He likens it to the TV series 'Fringe' which I did see and was very good.


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Friday July 29 2016

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Shift Paradox or Mandela Effect? Part 1

Streamed live on 29 Jul 2016

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Note: audio issues up until 6:00 minutes - you can forward the video to hear the rest :)

Shift Paradox or Mandela Effect?

Hosted by Brian O, Executive Producer for Project Camelot TV Network

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OFFICIAL DEFINITION

"The phenomenon where a group of people discover that a global fact - one they
feel they know to be true and have specific personal memories for - has apparently
changed in the world around them."

Note

Given the nature of the effect, 'evidence' inevitably takes the form of shared
personal memories; physical evidence of the previously remembered state is
unavailable. If such evidence is discovered, that's proof of an alternative
explanation.

"... evidence of the previously remembered state is unavailable.."

[muxfolder]

Last week I saw a documentary on tv where Tom Hanks clearly says that legendary line "Life is like box of chocolates." I was wondering if he says it more than once in Forrest Gump or not and that other time being was. Or was that line changed to some later versions of that movie?

[norski]

Recently I came across the whole notion of the Mandela Effect. One of the disconnects that is cited is that many thought Mother Teresa was canonized prior to September 4th of 2016. I am one of those people.

Curiously, I was watching a Bill Murray film from 2014, St. Vincent, where a priest school teacher tells his class that Mother Teresa is the "big MT modern day saint."

I'll admit this is probably a case of a widespread belief not jiving with reality.

The Berenstain (Berenstein) Bears is more significant I think.

[bennycog]

I would not know what to call this thing. Mandella effect is a name we should just leave as a name because i think there is so much more behind it. All the changes of names and things are something you cannot specifically use i think. Maybe that is what they want.
Now the JFK assassination is another thing. there is now six people in the car. which means the conspiracy of the driver shooting JFK is totally nonsense though it still has popped its head up. Staying with the driver shooting JFK the conspiracy theories i remember watching just do not exist.
Has anyone seen or read the book by Stephen King regarding the JFK assassination? What if instead of stopping his assassination they just changed it so conspiracy theories could have less validation. or this is just what has happened in this frequency.

It is going to take some time to process this place for some people. I certainly do not believe everything i see or hear. I use my heart to try make decisions and i use my heart to try to project good things for those around me. open minded sceptic :)

Sure go and explore all the things related to the Mandela effect but the questions you ask yourself are only going to be answered by you. Do not lose your head over it, and never fully accept it, just live with it and use it as knowledge that you are growing in this universe.

[amor]

As far as I recall, there were always six people in the car.

[bennycog]

Thats part of the effect i believe. . do you remember any conspiracy about the driver?
How far back do you remember that there was a conspiracy about his wife doing it?
EDIT...
just wanted to add that the questions are no attack. Im wanting to find out what i can. Because what you remember is totally right. On this time.
It is either we are both right or i have dropped into the delusion. Which to me it is my truth. You know what i mean

[BMJ]

I remember that there were four people in the car, and I was taken a back by the footage showing Jackie shooting JFK "I had never seen that video before" and I watched it several times over, it is not the way the JFK shooting happened in my reality.

[BMJ]

I had a experience today. Taking my puppy for a walk on one of my usual routes that I am very familiar with I came to a house I am familiar with because of the rottweiler that resides there, nothing strange at this point the rottweiler was lying on the side of the house having a snooze.
I come to the next house it used to have a three foot wooden framed and chicken wired fence, (of the typical aussie 1950's style front fence for old fibro houses), but now it has a double brick white painted wall that about 5 foot 8 inches tall with a heavy double sided iron gate of the same height on the driveway. This brick fence looks like as if it's been exposed to the elements for years.
Thankfully I had been reading about the mandela effect, otherwise I would have had a major WTF moment.

[Flash]

As far as I recall, there were always six people in the car.

I truly recall four people in the car, two in front, Jacky and Jack in the back and two more security agents running along the car but not in the car. I am writing this from childhood memory, not having looked at the video lately. I was young but remember because I liked the guy who had been shot (I did not even know he was a President, being myself a Canadian). I must have felt his vibrations lolllllll

[BMJ]

LIST of BIBLE Changes - Mandela Effect

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[KiwiElf]

Re JFK, there were always 6 people in the car;

JFK & Jackie in the back, Governor Connally and his wife in front of them (middle, on jump seats), two agents in front including William Greer, the driver.

In this frame, Kennedy is about to get hit with the fatal shot to his forehead (from the front); he's already been hit in the front of his throat (near his Adam's apple), and back/shoulder, (from behind) slightly below and to the right of his neck. Connally has also been hit.

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The slowed & enhanced version of the Zapbruder footage below has had the bottom & right hand side cropped (how convenient!) - it's actually clearer before they did this (almost impossible to find that original version - but it features on the documentary, THE KILLING OF AMERICA)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwy6Q9_cUwc

First shot: Fired from behind and misses, striking the pavement (just before the limo goes behind the sign) but Kennedy reacts: he stops waving to the crowd

2nd & 3rd Shots: which was fired from the front, struck Kennedy in the throat (above), with the most logical point of origin being the grassy knoll. The third shot, fired a split second from behind, strikes Connally through the right armpit and chest (as the car emerges from the sign - Kennedy is grasping his throat).

4th shot: came from behind, striking Kennedy in the back, instantly pushing him downward and forward. (This was the path of the remarkable ‘magic bullet’ which supposedly travelled through Kennedy’s body, exiting his throat and striking Connally).

5th and fatal shot: came from the front, striking Kennedy squarely in the right temple, causing massive fracturing, and forcing his head and upper torso violently rearward. The projectile exited from the rear of the head, leaving a wound the size of a fist. Also note the relative angle and position of Kennedy’s head at the point of impact

6th Shot: A half second after the fatal shot to Kennedy’s head, a sixth bullet struck Connally in the right wrist, fired from behind. Seconds after this, Jackie Kennedy attempts to exit the car over the rear boot. (Why would she be trying to get out of the car?)

[BMJ]

I respect your point of view Kiwielf but we have to agree to disagree. My clear memory of the event was firstly the JFK limo was only a four seater with four people in it and not six. And the Zapbruder footage showing Jackie seemingly shooting JFK and slipping the gun between the cushion and JFK back I had never seen before, and had only seen it a few weeks ago for the first time.

[KiwiElf]

Ahem... - it's not my point of view BMJ - it's history's (well actually, it's Zapbruders). I guess we're on different timelines because nothing in respect to JFK (in my timeline) has changed. And if that's your belief, then we have nothing further to discuss on the subject and I'm not going to argue it. I believe the above image and video clearly shows 6 people. Period. :)

[DNA]

Ahem... - it's not my point of view BMJ - it's history's (well actually, it's Zapbruders). I guess we're on different timelines because nothing in respect to JFK (in my timeline) has changed. And if that's your belief, then we have nothing further to discuss on the subject and I'm not going to argue it. Period. :)

Kiwi, bro, that is what this whole thread is about.
History having changed for people.
It doesn't mean it isn't true if history hasn't changed for you.
This is all subjective and there is no right or wrong, or need for proof here. The only thing we want here is testimonial from folks stating "their" truth.

[KiwiElf]

Exactly my point ;)

[TODD & NORA]

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Relevant to the topic in this thread.

[onawah]

Project Camelot TV forum
Jay Pee is featured in this discussion, and made some great contributions:
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Shift Paradox, Quantum Jump or Mandela Effect?
PROJECT CAMELOT TV NETWORK LLC

Streamed live on Aug 19, 2016
Behind Enemy Lines: Shift Paradox, Quantum Jump or Mandela Effect?

Livestreamed Aug 19, 2016 at 5PM Pacific / 8PM Eastern

Hosted by Brian O, Executive Producer for Project Camelot TV Network

CoHost Panel tentative pending on schedule

CoHosted by ...

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Special Guest:

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OFFICIAL DEFINITION

"The phenomenon where a group of people discover that a global fact - one they feel they know to be true and have specific personal memories for - has apparently changed in the world around them."

Note

Given the nature of the effect, 'evidence' inevitably takes the form of shared personal memories; physical evidence of the previously remembered state is unavailable. If such evidence is discovered, that's proof of an alternative explanation.

"... evidence of the previously remembered state is unavailable.."

[BMJ]

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Relevant to the topic in this thread.

It's an excellent interview, thanks Todd and Nora

[BMJ]

Ahem... - it's not my point of view BMJ - it's history's (well actually, it's Zapbruders). I guess we're on different timelines because nothing in respect to JFK (in my timeline) has changed. And if that's your belief, then we have nothing further to discuss on the subject and I'm not going to argue it. I believe the above image and video clearly shows 6 people. Period. :)

I agree Kiwielf, that's the mandela effect in action. :waving:

[TargeT]

So I'm randomly surfing youtube...


WTF?

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I'm a HUGE scifi nerd.... "Luke, I am your father".... that's the line, there's no way that's not the line

not


"No, I am your father"

ok, consider me very interested in this topic now... jeebus... are we all being gasslighted (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting)??


"if you build it, they will come" ---- another iconic line...

but now it's "he will come" ??

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I have little faith in human memory... I know how fluid it can be, certainly there's another explanation?




3. For me personally, I remember Adolph Hitler having Brown Hair and Brown Eyes, but apparently this is not the case. Hitler had blue eyes and brown hair.


I distinctly remember that as well, that it was Ironic that he shared so little with the "master race" ... brown eyes brown hair for sure from what I recall.

[bennycog]

Yes and i am positive there were discussions about that too.. Hitlers features compared to the master race they wanted

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by amor (here)
As far as I recall, there were always six people in the car.

I truly recall four people in the car, two in front, Jacky and Jack in the
back and two more security agents running along the car but not in the
car. I am writing this from childhood memory, not having looked at the
video lately. I was young but remember because I liked the guy who
had been shot (I did not even know he was a President, being myself
a Canadian). I must have felt his vibrations lolllllll


I cannot say either way as I am now aware there were six people in the car ,
so cannot remember if I thought it was four or not ...LOL


Jimmy asks Anthony Sanchez the question how many people were in the
JFK film car 2 , 4 , 6 , or 8 ? approx 104 mins in....Then they talk about
the Mandela effect , CERN and parallel worlding for around ten minutes.

Which leads in Dulce , time distortions , Phil Schneider and more....

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92877-FADE-2-BLACK-Episodes-510-Jeremy-Corbell-511-Ruben-Uriarte-512-Anthony-Sanchez-UFO-related.

[Ailith]

this "Mandela Effect" has been happening to me for years...I thought it was just me every time something strange would happen, but now years later I find it is and has been happening to others, also...my first experience was when I went to work for the JC Penney, Inc...in 1971...I was so shocked that they spelled their name Penney...I always thought it was Penny...oh well...I just thought I must have been wrong...so what world is it spelled Penny ...I have not a clue. Now, years later I find all this ...starting with Berenstein Bears...I use to read these books to my children...I know it was Berenstein ...in my world. I am sure my consciousness was in another world, now. Here is one ...that I know for a fact has changed...but you only see the changes if you observed things ...I know the flag of the 3 city states, Washington DC, City of London, and Vatican City...they all used to fly the same flag...Blue Flag with 3 Gold Stars...Now in this new world I find myself in...they each have their own flag....No where can I find the Blue Flag with the 3 gold stars anywhere...I am not crazy...I knew this fact...has anyone else noticed this ONE...

[Cidersomerset]

I watched this earlier and it is just poor reporting & editing from a current story
reported slightly differently by two news papers today...

Kevin thought for a second he was witnessing a Mandela effect.

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SEE FULL SUPPORTING ARTICLE, LINKS & VIDEOS HERE....
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Former member of Kennedy's Presidential Security Team: JFK Assassination was an
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What the vid above did do is give me a eureka moment and reminded me
what Ion and Bob said back in 2009 onwards when they first started interacting
and the show 'Fringe' was showing and how there are limitless inter dimensional
worlds interacting all the time and we go in and out these regular, some have
which have slight differences in our reality. De ja vous is part of this , 'Slippage'
between world happens regular where you may only experience minor changes.

Then there are portals and gates now open all over the place , they have gone into
detail about it amongst the thousands of hours of discussion in their shows...

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This has been a Scy - fy trope along time...

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This is from 2010 and has been updated in conversations but is basically the same...

iON comments on using a portal and Fringe—Over There Part 2 (season 2, episode 23).

Portal, Gate, Rift continuum the outlet by which parallel and other Worlds are
connected. A means of egress especially regarding relativity. The solid vector as
reflecting experience past, present, and future. Portals can take smaller things like
people or groups of people…Gates can take larger things like war ships. Other than
that, there is no difference.

mp3 on link.....

https://ionandbob.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/fringe-over-there-part-2portaling-your.html

[Enola]

this "Mandela Effect" has been happening to me for years...I thought it was just me every time something strange would happen, but now years later I find it is and has been happening to others, also...my first experience was when I went to work for the JC Penney, Inc...in 1971...I was so shocked that they spelled their name Penney...I always thought it was Penny...oh well...I just thought I must have been wrong...so what world is it spelled Penny ...I have not a clue. Now, years later I find all this ...starting with Berenstein Bears...I use to read these books to my children...I know it was Berenstein ...in my world. I am sure my consciousness was in another world, now. Here is one ...that I know for a fact has changed...but you only see the changes if you observed things ...I know the flag of the 3 city states, Washington DC, City of London, and Vatican City...they all used to fly the same flag...Blue Flag with 3 Gold Stars...Now in this new world I find myself in...they each have their own flag....No where can I find the Blue Flag with the 3 gold stars anywhere...I am not crazy...I knew this fact...has anyone else noticed this ONE...


Wow. Hypnotic!

[sunwings]

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[BMJ]

I and my best friend have been seeing bleed threws from over realities several times a day since around 2012. For example my best friend would be in the lounge room and she would see me walking down the stairs, then about 20 seconds later she would see me actually walking down the stairs again.

Last saturday afternoon we were in the kitchen and we were both facing the counter and heard the puppy walk into the kitchen we turned around to look at her, but there is no puppy in the kitchen she's in the lounge room. That's the first time we have had a shared experience and the second time we have both seperately heard her walk into the kitchen without her physically being there.

Seems like the veil between similiar time lines are becoming thinner.

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect | Possible "real world" residue of the old Ford logo?
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Show's a real world ford logo of the style that I know in this time line. But also as suggested if the ford logo is a neater copy of Henry Ford's signature than it is incorrect because he never had the pig's tail on the F.

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect-2 Billion People Missing!!!-Are we Dead ?! ReVisited!!

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[conk]

As youngsters we watched the Bond movie Moonraker at the matinee. We made jokes that the guy with metal teeth would get hooked on his new girlfriend's metal braces. Clearly she had braces, that's what made the scene work! Now she has no braces and the scene doesn't work when she smiles back at Jaws.

And clearly the passages of the Bible are different. My granny drilled some of them into my brain, to be remembered forever. Now they are changed. The wolf and the lamb? No way! Many of these examples give great pause. As an older guy I grew up with many of them and now they are different.

The Mandela Effect IS like a box of chocolates. ;)

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect Residual Error - Animation shows the old Australia (YES I AM AWARE OF THE PREVIOUS POSTS DISCUSSING WORLD MAPS, STILL AN INTERESTING VIDEO)

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Published on 30 Aug 2016

I think this old Animaniacs cartoon showing the place where I always remember Australia, to be very interesting. Steven Spielberg's animators got the location of a continent wrong, or this is Mandela effect residual error. You decide.

Also interesting comment regarding Sicily, which I agree with:

A TigerLily Madeira (GraceWarriorWoman7)1 day ago
+Texas Shrugged you're SO right about Italy and Sicily, I was raised by my Italian side, Sicily was OUT on the Mediterranean, NOT right up on Italy mainland.

[BMJ]

In relation to my previous posts, this Dolores Cannon video makes sense.

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Start at the 46.00 minute mark.

[RunningDeer]

In relation to my previous posts, this Dolores Cannon video makes sense.


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Start at the 46.00 minute mark.
Quick link @ 55:22 (https://youtu.be/3UmkhFlMHZ0?t=55m22s). http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/happy0158_zpsunvwduof.GIF

Interesting account of how three friends taped the Art Bell show only to discover the next morning that two out of three got a sporting event and the other successfully taped it. All three tapes included the identical call letters of the radio station.

[Bill Ryan]

Interesting account of how three friends taped the Art Bell show only to discover the next morning that two out of three got a sporting event and the other successfully taped it. All three tapes included the identical call letters of the radio station.

Hi there, Paula :heart: -- at first I didn't understand a word of that ^^ paragraph :bearhug: -- so I went to listen to the video at that point.

My own summary of that (if I may!):

Three women, all friends, were taping the Art Bell show one night, because it was on pretty late and none of them wanted to stay up. So they listened to the recording in the morning. They were all tuned into the same station, and confirmed that by the radio call sign.

But two of the three found they'd actually recorded a sporting event, including an announcement that the station was no longer carrying Art Bell. The third recorded the Art Bell show, as normal, and exactly as she'd expected.

Later, all three continued to record Art Bell on the same station -- when they did exactly the same thing on subsequent nights.

(My own $.02: yes, these dimensional (or parallel timeline) shifts do sometimes happen, and there are numerous anecdotes about this from very sane people. It's very rare that there's any evidence to support those experiences, though, so this report from Dolores is very interesting.)

[RunningDeer]

It's very rare that there's any evidence to support those experiences, though, so this report from Dolores is very interesting.)
Initially I logged the incorrect quick link. Apologies for the confusion. Yes, the physical evidence is why I liked the account.


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[Savannah]

I was just watching the news and had a story that Mother Teresa is being canonized as a saint tomorrow and I just said out loud "what the F----". To me she has been a saint for years, and as the saying goes No if ands or buts about it! I have posted on the Mandela effect threads before. When I first read about it some months ago it was about things that were already different. It shocked me then. This is the first time history is changing in front of my eyes. I am not was mistaken about her status. I'm 60 yo and have watched MS news or read the paper every day as an adult. I am not uninformed (about their disinformation). I have "kind of" accepted this in the last few months but today it has thrown me for a loop again. I'm wondering what else has changed I'm just not aware of yet.

[RunningDeer]

I was just watching the news and had a story that Mother Teresa is being canonized as a saint tomorrow and I just said out loud "what the F----". To me she has been a saint for years, and as the saying goes No if ands or buts about it! I have posted on the Mandela effect threads before. When I first read about it some months ago it was about things that were already different. It shocked me then. This is the first time history is changing in front of my eyes. I am not was mistaken about her status. I'm 60 yo and have watched MS news or read the paper every day as an adult. I am not uninformed (about their disinformation). I have "kind of" accepted this in the last few months but today it has thrown me for a loop again. I'm wondering what else has changed I'm just not aware of yet.

I chuckled at the beatification definition where the pope permits public veneration. Thank you, oh great blessed authority for allowing me to call Mother Teresa a saint now. And thank you for thinking for me.


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As I read the article, I don’t know why it’s taken as long as it has to officially declare Mother Teresa a saint. It may be the main stream news began calling her a saint because they were not aware of the steps in the canonization process.

Mother Teresa Canonized as a Saint by Pope Francis
[article (http://www.wsj.com/articles/mother-teresa-canonized-as-a-saint-by-pope-francis-1472980320)]




““We declare and define Blessed Teresa of Calcutta to be a saint and we enroll her among the saints, decreeing that she is to be venerated as such by the whole church,” the pope said …”

“Mother Teresa was widely hailed as a saint even during her lifetime and won many worldly accolades, including the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979. Only 18 months after her death in 1997, St. John Paul II cut short the usual five-year waiting period to start the canonization process. He beatified her, bestowing the church’s highest honor short of sainthood, in 2003.”

[sunwings]

This is an extract from Jake Simpson: The biggest secret


Technological access to other dimensions

Finally, Jake told us of research that had unlocked technology surrounding access to other dimensional states of existence.

In these other alternate states of reality sometimes it turns out they can very briefly and spontaneously manifest, very occasionally quite naturally, here on Earth and in any other part of this universe. In very special circumstances, these can spontaneously manifest across not only this universe but indeed into alternative universal realities.

There is a massive amount of research funding being applied to this very obscure part of the broad spectrum of the special access programs of the world’s budgetary allowance for these types of programs. These funds are managed and funneled from every imaginable area of the majority of the world’s countries through an amazing array of abstract instrumentalities and public funding projects.

The research involved with this subject is at the top of the world’s power elite's priorities. This is why there are very selective sightings of some of the largest scientific programs, currently ongoing across the world.

Food for thought

[sunwings]

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[BMJ]

Mandela Effect evidence from the attic 2

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Star Wars book and record set dated 1979.
Movie based photos indicate C3PO has both legs in gold throughout the book.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs book and toy set dated 2009.
With snow white and the seven dwarfs. Back of the box says at 2.30 minutes
"Mirror Mirror on the wall who's the fairest one of all."

Then the book on the inside says at 4.00 minutes
"Magic mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?"

Some comments:
sackett68 1 day ago
I was a big star wars fan growing up and had the action figures as a kid...C3PO was always completely gold. Never saw the silver leg until recently from watching vids on the Mandela effect.

FulciLives 1 week ago
I was 5 when STAR WARS came out. One of my earliest memories. I saw it 3 times in theaters and had all the toys. C-3PO was always ALL gold.

[RunningDeer]

Mandela Effect evidence from the attic 2

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Star Wars book and record set dated 1979.
Movie based photos indicate C3PO has both legs in gold throughout the book.
Some comments:
sackett68 1 day ago
I was a big star wars fan growing up and had the action figures as a kid...C3PO was always completely gold. Never saw the silver leg until recently from watching vids on the Mandela effect.

FulciLives 1 week ago
I was 5 when STAR WARS came out. One of my earliest memories. I saw it 3 times in theaters and had all the toys. C-3PO was always ALL gold.

Off topic. Please delete.

[DNA]

That's a beautiful picture runningdeer. It holds a lot of emotion and seems significant as a timeline place card so to speak.
I've read from the Seth Material that you can use a significant picture from your past, meditate on it, or rather meditate while looking at it, and you can begin to feel and see alternate timelines that have taken place and exist and have expanded since the picture was taken.

[DNA]

On a lighter note.
I'm surprised we don't reflect more on songs and song lyrics that do not seem to be the same and have changed.
Regardless, this song feels like it was written for someone experiencing a pretty bad case of the Mandela effect. :sun:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98AJUj-qxHI
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[BMJ]

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Clip from the 1997 movie "George of the Jungle"

Published on 13 Oct 2014
Ursula's mother: Arthur, I wish you would do something about all these monkeys. I feel like Jane Goodall

Ape: Madam, I knew Jane Goodall and you are no Jane Goodall.

Another mandella effect. Ursula's refers to "monkeys" and a "gorilla" responds.

Thanks to Lisa M Harrison for this one.

I remember Jane Goodall studying silverback gorilla's in the congo and not chimpaneze.

[sunwings]

Proof dimensions are overwriting each other

Screenshots of the Volkswagen logo on the Libyan Terrorist van in Back to the Future movie. The logo appears without a cut (dash) in the middle and then it reappears in other scenes as the movie plays. Two different realities. Some people vividly remember the logo to be without the middle dash (Mandela Effect).

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http://www.timelineshift.com/2016/08/proof-dimensions-are-overwriting-each-other.html

[BMJ]

We are "Happy" at CERN

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Check out Santa Claus at 2.30 minutes. This video was published in "4th November 2014"

Santa Claus holds a Bond 1 and Mandela sign at 2.30minutes

Bond 1 is a reference to Barry Nelson the first James Bond in a movie.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Nelson

Hence Nelson Mandela effect

Thanks to Divine Pollination for this find.

[BMJ]

An interesting perspective on the mandela effect.

What is the Mandela Effect & Why is it Occurring?

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Published on 7 Jul 2016

What is the Mandela Effect? Why is it happening, is it because we're timeline jumping, because of timeline manipulation, or are we ascending?

To learn more about how quantum computers can be used to deceive people on a mass scale, see the following video:

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BEST Understanding of the Mandela Effect Yet - Wes Penre on the Singularity
https://youtu.be/F2ogX4u_FZg

The Mandela Effect & the Power of Observation
https://youtu.be/2yFbHHX-C_k

The Mandela Effect & the Fifth Hermetic Principle of Rhythm
https://youtu.be/F_Dudye-42o

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[RunningDeer]

I am sorry that I could not upload the video and that is because every single time it refered back to another video titled "scientist blows the whistle on mandela effect".

Thanks, BMJ.
A couple of trouble shoot suggestions:

How I get around it is I copy and paste the original title in YouTube search. Often multiple copies come up.
I noticed you used an 'url' tag rather than a 'youtube' tag. It creates a link rather than a video.



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[BMJ]

Thank you RunningDeer I'll make a mental note of that fact. :bigsmile:

I gave it a try and got it, I fixed my post above, thanks again RunningDeer.

[BMJ]

Mandela Effect evidence from the attic 2

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Star Wars book and record set dated 1979.
Movie based photos indicate C3PO has both legs in gold throughout the book.

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs book and toy set dated 2009.
With snow white and the seven dwarfs. Back of the box says at 2.30 minutes
"Mirror Mirror on the wall who's the fairest one of all."

Then the book on the inside says at 4.00 minutes
"Magic mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?"

Some comments:
sackett68 1 day ago
I was a big star wars fan growing up and had the action figures as a kid...C3PO was always completely gold. Never saw the silver leg until recently from watching vids on the Mandela effect.

FulciLives 1 week ago
I was 5 when STAR WARS came out. One of my earliest memories. I saw it 3 times in theaters and had all the toys. C-3PO was always ALL gold.

The wicked witch states at 10 seconds "Mirror, mirror on the wall who is the fairest of them all". It seems Hollywood is even confused about this line in their 2016 movie.

The Huntsman: Winter's War Official Trailer #2 (2016)

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Aside:
Also the entertainer Madonna really name is "Madonna Louise Ciccone" I remember her first name as being Maria.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_(entertainer)

The dominant part of my soul is definitely from another time line, there are just to many changes which do not fit into my recollection of things. It was really brought home to me when I read the thread recently JFK murdered by his wife? This was one of my first points of investigation when I started down this road in 2009 or so, and to me the Lincoln car was always a four seater and I had never had seen Jackie seemingly shoot JFK, until recently.

Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84510-JFK-murdered-by-his-wife

[sunwings]

Great compilation! This deserves to go viral!!! Plus a few new ones to me....

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[Wes Penre]

Can they change our timelines?

The answer is YES! Listen to what this scientist has to say about it.

[Ref: "Synthetic Super-Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind--A Roadmap to the Singularity and Beyond", Chapter 18, www.wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/chapter-18-of-great-conCERN.htm]

Mandela Effect - 20 Minutes that will change your life! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEhARtHLN7g


"When I watched this video, I found it quite stunning for several reasons. The first thing that came to mind was how somebody can believe that anything that this scientist presents can be for the good of mankind. Worse than that is the fact that the lecturer is so enthusiastic about this that he can’t wait to let people know. He is throwing himself and the rest of mankind down the bottomless pit with the greatest of passions!

This presenter tells his audience that two super computers are now in place; one is located in the University of Southern California, and the other one is located in British Columbia, Canada. They are called D-WAVE, and they look like two giant cubes. These two computers are based on an entirely new technology and are being used by NASA.

Previously, we have had computers that are based on a binary system (ones and zeros), but these two devices are quantum computers, and they work in a totally different manner. Inside these D-WAVES, there are giant refrigerators, where scientists have managed to decrease the temperature to almost absolute zero; absolute zero being 0.0°K, -273.15°C, or -459.67°F. This is one hundred times cooler than interstellar space, says the scientist.

Furthermore, he says that when he is standing in the same room as one of these D-WAVES, he can hear a very specific sound coming out from the computer, and it sounds “like a heartbeat.” When he is saying this, he almost becomes ecstatic. He compares it to an “alter to an alien god,” interestingly enough. These people often speak in codes, and he was just telling us who the real inventor of this computer technology is.

Consequently, the scientist tells us what these quantum computers can do, and he tells us in increments, so that it will sink in with the audience. He reveals that these two computers, which he says are the only ones of their kind in the world, can tune into parallel universes. He calls them parallel universes to begin with, but later on uses other terms for them, as well, such as alternative universes and more interestingly, alternative probabilities. After all, he says, parallel universes are alternative probabilities. Then he begins to tell us the same thing I’ve been writing about, which is how our choices create different probabilities and alternative universes that are not necessarily active, but are still there—and they remain there as charged energy.

The presenter acknowledges that these different timelines exist, and they overlap each other. What these quantum computers can do is to find the exact spot where two alternative universes/probabilities overlap! He says that there are always two universes that are identical, except for some very small details, a “one bit” of difference, as he calls it; albeit, he is quick to emphasize that these computers are not based on a binary system. If you were in the “twin universe” (my term), you would barely notice that you were there because you exist in both of them. However, there may be some small differences that you would eventually notice over time. It seems quite similar to time travel and the potential effects a time traveler can create when traveling to the past. I covered that elsewhere in this book.

What science obviously has achieved is to tap into a parallel reality, which is very similar to ours because it’s based upon a universe where two very similar decisions were made, but not entirely similar. The difference in similarity will only slightly alter the second universe.

What does this mean? It means that we have the solution to why the Mandela Effect is happening! Not only can scientists tap into an alternative universe; they already have! When they did so, the Mandela Effect automatically took place. People will have two memories of one event, and both will be correct, such as in the case where Nelson Mandela both died in prison and survived and became the President of South Africa. One event happened in one universe and the second event, where Mandela survived, happened in a second universe. We, who experience this controversy, now live in the parallel universe! Yes, you read that correctly; scientists have altered our reality! Moreover, this scientist is both enthusiastic and proud of this ET-sponsored achievement. He ends his lecture by giving us what he calls “three dangerous predictions” that “probably won’t happen…but will likely happen,” as he puts it. However, here are his dangerous predictions:


1) By 5 years, NASA will find an earthlike planet and they will know how to get there. The D-WAVE computers will be the key to get there. [Note, Oct. 7, 2016: This is already accomplished: www.universetoday.com/130276/earth-like-planet-around-proxima-centauri-discovered/]

2) The business of parallel universes is going to be very important. He predicts that “by 2023, a major breakthrough in physics will occur, based on a model, whose cornerstone is the reality of parallel universes; an experiment will be performed on a quantum computer that will support the new theory.”

3) This third prediction is the most important of them all, according to this man, and I quote: “By 2028, intelligent machines will exist that can do anything humans can do; quantum computers will have played a critical role in the creation in this new type of intelligence.”

After telling us of his predictions, he ends his lecture by saying that the most important emerging tech revolution is that machines will outpace us in every respect—in EVERYTHING! Within 15 years, the machine will outpace humans!

Throughout the lecture, this man keeps saying, “this is very exciting—at least it is to me!” Well, he’s correct on one major thing; this is all extremely dangerous, but by the same token, these people know what they’re doing, and they know what effects they are creating. Moreover, they are shoving it in our faces—again, so that we are prepared, and the Overlords can make sure they informed the public and got at least the majority of them to agree with the agenda.

By the way, it should come as no surprise that Google “pulled this thing together,” to quote the lecturing scientist. Thereby, he acknowledges that Google is the company that made this entire D-WAVE project possible by funding it.

What is it that they really want to accomplish with all this? The way I see it, there is only one answer—they are doing this to keep humanity on one common timeline! It has everything to do with what we discussed throughout the WPP, but also in this book. It’s about putting a stop to humanity’s unpredictability. How could the Overlords make us focus on the Singularity if we are changing timelines constantly?

What this guy explained to the audience is the tip of the iceberg. Scientists have experimented with changing our timeline, but just slightly so they can see the effects. As we grow closer to the Singularity, I’m sure there will be a last, more drastic change that will make everybody focus on one nexus point—the exact point between two parallel realities—and that is where the Singularity will take place. This is why Kurzweil is ranting about the Singularity taking its name from the phenomenon of the event horizon of a black hole. The hypothesis is as follows: in the center of a black hole there is a gravitational singularity—a place where space and time cease to have any meaning—the point where laws and physics break down. A person who, from a safe distance, would watch an object moving toward a black hole would see the object moving slower and slower until it came to a complete halt at the event horizon, and it actually never falls into the black hole.

Again, what does this mean?

In Kurzweil’s analogy, it apparently means that our development toward the Singularity halts at the event horizon, where we are still in the same old universe, but exactly there, at the event horizon, is the nexus point that will make us change realities, by jumping into a parallel universe. Kurzweil might say that this is just an analogy he’s using, but these people are clever—he knows better than that, and the Mandela Effect and the insights the scientist in the video presented proves it. The event horizon “analogy” that Kurzweil talks about is not an analogy or an allegory at all—it’s literal! After the shift, humanity will be on the same timeline for a moment long enough for the Overlords and the Controllers to act, and that is apparently the moment they need.

[...]


I think it has everything to do with CERN, and I believe that this technology is exactly what they are working on there right now!

After all, haven’t we been told that the LHC is creating mini black holes? What a coincidence. What the scientist in the video does not tell us is that although the two quantum computers he mentions may be the only ones in existence, the LHC [might very well be] an extension of these computers, and it’s in Cern, Switzerland, where the real stuff is happening!

[RunningDeer]

Can they change our timelines?

The answer is YES! Listen to what this scientist has to say about it.

[Ref: "Synthetic Super-Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind--A Roadmap to the Singularity and Beyond", Chapter 18, www.wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/chapter-18-of-great-conCERN.htm]

Mandela Effect - 20 Minutes that will change your life! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEhARtHLN7g

Adding the video here.


Mandela Effect - 20 Minutes that will change your life!
oEhARtHLN7g

Published on Jul 3, 2016
Special thanks to "know thetruth" for sharing this information!

Prophets Among Us: https://youtu.be/_ut7DN5N17E

[DNA]

[QUOTE=RunningDeer;1104239]




oEhARtHLN7g [/youtube]


This was a trip.
A computer that relies on the alternate dimensions around us to form it's calculations.
And my eye brows were raised as the speaker referred to the ten ft by 12 ft main frame as a monolith.?.? Pretty crazy
Further eye brows were raised as the presenter referred to this main frame as a black altar used to worship an alien god.!.!


These were metaphors and he didn't mean them literally, but still!!


For a much better and more complete accounting of the video please read Wes Penre's description above. :)

[DNA]

What science obviously has achieved is to tap into a parallel reality, which is very similar to ours because it’s based upon a universe where two very similar decisions were made, but not entirely similar. The difference in similarity will only slightly alter the second universe.

What does this mean? It means that we have the solution to why the Mandela Effect is happening! Not only can scientists tap into an alternative universe; they already have! When they did so, the Mandela Effect automatically took place. People will have two memories of one event, and both will be correct, such as in the case where Nelson Mandela both died in prison and survived and became the President of South Africa. One event happened in one universe and the second event, where Mandela survived, happened in a second universe. We, who experience this controversy, now live in the parallel universe! Yes, you read that correctly; scientists have altered our reality!
This explains very well why we are in this Mandela Effect predicament. I do not think these folks who are making the claim that these two quantum computers are the only two in existence. I'm guessing the folks at Cern have to have had something like this before they started trying to access such dimensions. You allude to this later of course.




Moreover, this scientist is both enthusiastic and proud of this ET-sponsored achievement. He ends his lecture by giving us what he calls “three dangerous predictions” that “probably won’t happen…but will likely happen,” as he puts it. However, here are his dangerous predictions:


1) By 5 years, NASA will find an earthlike planet and they will know how to get there. The D-WAVE computers will be the key to get there. [Note, Oct. 7, 2016: This is already accomplished: http://www.universetoday.com/130276/...i-discovered/] (http://www.universetoday.com/130276/earth-like-planet-around-proxima-centauri-discovered/])

2) The business of parallel universes is going to be very important. He predicts that “by 2023, a major breakthrough in physics will occur, based on a model, whose cornerstone is the reality of parallel universes; an experiment will be performed on a quantum computer that will support the new theory.”

3) This third prediction is the most important of them all, according to this man, and I quote: “By 2028, intelligent machines will exist that can do anything humans can do; quantum computers will have played a critical role in the creation in this new type of intelligence.”


This last quote is the scariest.
It makes me think this has all already happened and we are living in a Virtual Reality ala the Matrix. I hate going down that road. No bueno.

[RunningDeer]

This was a trip.
A computer that relies on the alternate dimensions around us to form it's calculations.
And my eye brows were raised as the speaker referred to the ten ft by 12 ft main frame as a monolith.?.? Pretty crazy
Further eye brows were raised as the presenter referred to this main frame as a black altar used to worship an alien god.!.!

These were metaphors and he didn't mean them literally, but still!!

For a much better and more complete accounting of the video please read Wes Penre's description above. :)
Yes, I caught those, Marcus. A wee bit off topic, while listening to this guy, the I Robot movie came to mind.


I Robot Trailer
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[Flash]

This analysis of yours Wes, deserves many many bumps. Everyone should read it in my views. Bravo!


Can they change our timelines?

The answer is YES! Listen to what this scientist has to say about it.

[Ref: "Synthetic Super-Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind--A Roadmap to the Singularity and Beyond", Chapter 18, www.wespenre.com/My-Books/Book2-AI/chapter-18-of-great-conCERN.htm]

Mandela Effect - 20 Minutes that will change your life! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEhARtHLN7g


"When I watched this video, I found it quite stunning for several reasons. The first thing that came to mind was how somebody can believe that anything that this scientist presents can be for the good of mankind. Worse than that is the fact that the lecturer is so enthusiastic about this that he can’t wait to let people know. He is throwing himself and the rest of mankind down the bottomless pit with the greatest of passions!

This presenter tells his audience that two super computers are now in place; one is located in the University of Southern California, and the other one is located in British Columbia, Canada. They are called D-WAVE, and they look like two giant cubes. These two computers are based on an entirely new technology and are being used by NASA.

Previously, we have had computers that are based on a binary system (ones and zeros), but these two devices are quantum computers, and they work in a totally different manner. Inside these D-WAVES, there are giant refrigerators, where scientists have managed to decrease the temperature to almost absolute zero; absolute zero being 0.0°K, -273.15°C, or -459.67°F. This is one hundred times cooler than interstellar space, says the scientist.

Furthermore, he says that when he is standing in the same room as one of these D-WAVES, he can hear a very specific sound coming out from the computer, and it sounds “like a heartbeat.” When he is saying this, he almost becomes ecstatic. He compares it to an “alter to an alien god,” interestingly enough. These people often speak in codes, and he was just telling us who the real inventor of this computer technology is.

Consequently, the scientist tells us what these quantum computers can do, and he tells us in increments, so that it will sink in with the audience. He reveals that these two computers, which he says are the only ones of their kind in the world, can tune into parallel universes. He calls them parallel universes to begin with, but later on uses other terms for them, as well, such as alternative universes and more interestingly, alternative probabilities. After all, he says, parallel universes are alternative probabilities. Then he begins to tell us the same thing I’ve been writing about, which is how our choices create different probabilities and alternative universes that are not necessarily active, but are still there—and they remain there as charged energy.

The presenter acknowledges that these different timelines exist, and they overlap each other. What these quantum computers can do is to find the exact spot where two alternative universes/probabilities overlap! He says that there are always two universes that are identical, except for some very small details, a “one bit” of difference, as he calls it; albeit, he is quick to emphasize that these computers are not based on a binary system. If you were in the “twin universe” (my term), you would barely notice that you were there because you exist in both of them. However, there may be some small differences that you would eventually notice over time. It seems quite similar to time travel and the potential effects a time traveler can create when traveling to the past. I covered that elsewhere in this book.

What science obviously has achieved is to tap into a parallel reality, which is very similar to ours because it’s based upon a universe where two very similar decisions were made, but not entirely similar. The difference in similarity will only slightly alter the second universe.

What does this mean? It means that we have the solution to why the Mandela Effect is happening! Not only can scientists tap into an alternative universe; they already have! When they did so, the Mandela Effect automatically took place. People will have two memories of one event, and both will be correct, such as in the case where Nelson Mandela both died in prison and survived and became the President of South Africa. One event happened in one universe and the second event, where Mandela survived, happened in a second universe. We, who experience this controversy, now live in the parallel universe! Yes, you read that correctly; scientists have altered our reality! Moreover, this scientist is both enthusiastic and proud of this ET-sponsored achievement. He ends his lecture by giving us what he calls “three dangerous predictions” that “probably won’t happen…but will likely happen,” as he puts it. However, here are his dangerous predictions:


1) By 5 years, NASA will find an earthlike planet and they will know how to get there. The D-WAVE computers will be the key to get there. [Note, Oct. 7, 2016: This is already accomplished: www.universetoday.com/130276/earth-like-planet-around-proxima-centauri-discovered/]

2) The business of parallel universes is going to be very important. He predicts that “by 2023, a major breakthrough in physics will occur, based on a model, whose cornerstone is the reality of parallel universes; an experiment will be performed on a quantum computer that will support the new theory.”

3) This third prediction is the most important of them all, according to this man, and I quote: “By 2028, intelligent machines will exist that can do anything humans can do; quantum computers will have played a critical role in the creation in this new type of intelligence.”

After telling us of his predictions, he ends his lecture by saying that the most important emerging tech revolution is that machines will outpace us in every respect—in EVERYTHING! Within 15 years, the machine will outpace humans!

Throughout the lecture, this man keeps saying, “this is very exciting—at least it is to me!” Well, he’s correct on one major thing; this is all extremely dangerous, but by the same token, these people know what they’re doing, and they know what effects they are creating. Moreover, they are shoving it in our faces—again, so that we are prepared, and the Overlords can make sure they informed the public and got at least the majority of them to agree with the agenda.

By the way, it should come as no surprise that Google “pulled this thing together,” to quote the lecturing scientist. Thereby, he acknowledges that Google is the company that made this entire D-WAVE project possible by funding it.

What is it that they really want to accomplish with all this? The way I see it, there is only one answer—they are doing this to keep humanity on one common timeline! It has everything to do with what we discussed throughout the WPP, but also in this book. It’s about putting a stop to humanity’s unpredictability. How could the Overlords make us focus on the Singularity if we are changing timelines constantly?

What this guy explained to the audience is the tip of the iceberg. Scientists have experimented with changing our timeline, but just slightly so they can see the effects. As we grow closer to the Singularity, I’m sure there will be a last, more drastic change that will make everybody focus on one nexus point—the exact point between two parallel realities—and that is where the Singularity will take place. This is why Kurzweil is ranting about the Singularity taking its name from the phenomenon of the event horizon of a black hole. The hypothesis is as follows: in the center of a black hole there is a gravitational singularity—a place where space and time cease to have any meaning—the point where laws and physics break down. A person who, from a safe distance, would watch an object moving toward a black hole would see the object moving slower and slower until it came to a complete halt at the event horizon, and it actually never falls into the black hole.

Again, what does this mean?

In Kurzweil’s analogy, it apparently means that our development toward the Singularity halts at the event horizon, where we are still in the same old universe, but exactly there, at the event horizon, is the nexus point that will make us change realities, by jumping into a parallel universe. Kurzweil might say that this is just an analogy he’s using, but these people are clever—he knows better than that, and the Mandela Effect and the insights the scientist in the video presented proves it. The event horizon “analogy” that Kurzweil talks about is not an analogy or an allegory at all—it’s literal! After the shift, humanity will be on the same timeline for a moment long enough for the Overlords and the Controllers to act, and that is apparently the moment they need.

[...]


I think it has everything to do with CERN, and I believe that this technology is exactly what they are working on there right now!

After all, haven’t we been told that the LHC is creating mini black holes? What a coincidence. What the scientist in the video does not tell us is that although the two quantum computers he mentions may be the only ones in existence, the LHC [might very well be] an extension of these computers, and it’s in Cern, Switzerland, where the real stuff is happening!

[Wes Penre]

What science obviously has achieved is to tap into a parallel reality, which is very similar to ours because it’s based upon a universe where two very similar decisions were made, but not entirely similar. The difference in similarity will only slightly alter the second universe.

What does this mean? It means that we have the solution to why the Mandela Effect is happening! Not only can scientists tap into an alternative universe; they already have! When they did so, the Mandela Effect automatically took place. People will have two memories of one event, and both will be correct, such as in the case where Nelson Mandela both died in prison and survived and became the President of South Africa. One event happened in one universe and the second event, where Mandela survived, happened in a second universe. We, who experience this controversy, now live in the parallel universe! Yes, you read that correctly; scientists have altered our reality!
This explains very well why we are in this Mandela Effect predicament. I do not think these folks who are making the claim that these two quantum computers are the only two in existence. I'm guessing the folks at Cern have to have had something like this before they started trying to access such dimensions. You allude to this later of course.




Moreover, this scientist is both enthusiastic and proud of this ET-sponsored achievement. He ends his lecture by giving us what he calls “three dangerous predictions” that “probably won’t happen…but will likely happen,” as he puts it. However, here are his dangerous predictions:


1) By 5 years, NASA will find an earthlike planet and they will know how to get there. The D-WAVE computers will be the key to get there. [Note, Oct. 7, 2016: This is already accomplished: http://www.universetoday.com/130276/...i-discovered/] (http://www.universetoday.com/130276/earth-like-planet-around-proxima-centauri-discovered/])

2) The business of parallel universes is going to be very important. He predicts that “by 2023, a major breakthrough in physics will occur, based on a model, whose cornerstone is the reality of parallel universes; an experiment will be performed on a quantum computer that will support the new theory.”

3) This third prediction is the most important of them all, according to this man, and I quote: “By 2028, intelligent machines will exist that can do anything humans can do; quantum computers will have played a critical role in the creation in this new type of intelligence.”


This last quote is the scariest.
It makes me think this has all already happened and we are living in a Virtual Reality ala the Matrix. I hate going down that road. No bueno.



I keep emphasizing the following whenever and wherever I can because I can't think of anything that's more imperative: what I'm suggesting is that there is only one way out of this trap (which will just become more solid and impossible to break out of after the Singularity), and that is this: http://wespenre.com/Articles/Article_2_Death_Trap_and_How_to_Avoid_It.htm .

IMHO, it's well worth the read and the pondering afterwards. I think it's very important to at least take part of this information and consider it! It's also downloadable in PDF, in English and Spanish, at the top of the article.

[BMJ]

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Mandela MAILBAG #7, Rodin's The Thinker has changed, C3PO golden leg, 52 states in the USA, Home Depot name change.

[BMJ]

This was a trip.
And my eye brows were raised as the speaker referred to the ten ft by 12 ft main frame as a monolith.?.? Pretty crazy
Further eye brows were raised as the presenter referred to this main frame as a black altar used to worship an alien god.!.!
These were metaphors and he didn't mean them literally, but still!!

Did it remind you of the 2001 Space Odyssey monolith?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/53/African_monolith_2001.jpg

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolith_(Space_Odyssey)

From the wikipedia page "Therefore, the aliens created increasingly complex automated machines to oversee and carry out their projects over the eons. When they encountered a living world that had features in favour of the evolution of intelligent life, they left behind the monoliths as remote observers that were also capable of taking a variety of actions according to the wishes of their creators."

[sunwings]

This is how I remember the Statue. His hand on his forehead.

And I know what he's thinking - "What the hell is causing the Mandela Effect?":bigsmile:

[mojo]

Thanks for OP. Recently heard of this when hearing about CERN and the D-wave quantum computer. It seems like there are some connections with these subjects. I watched a few videos and wonder what the general consensus of members feel about the Mandela Effect. Is it a valid theory and is there a video of the numerous ones out there that can solidly convince you of this happening? If so, why hasnt the mainstream news media brought this to people's attention? Thinking this could be happening is not following the law's of science and Occam's razor.

[BMJ]

Thanks for OP. Recently heard of this when hearing about CERN and the D-wave quantum computer. It seems like there are some connections with these subjects. I watched a few videos and wonder what the general consensus of members feel about the Mandela Effect. Is it a valid theory and is there a video of the numerous ones out there that can solidly convince you of this happening? If so, why hasnt the mainstream news media brought this to people's attention? Thinking this could be happening is not following the law's of science and Occam's razor.

Hi Mojo,
It seems that there maybe an earth 2.0 in the works, for those amongst us evolving spiritually and most definitely for the kids to go to. Whether that earth 2.0 is here but in another dimension or else were in the universe is unknown. Have a listen to the interviews in post 150 and 170, featuring Delores Cannon and Anaiis Sallas. Also look up Mary Rodwells work they are all in agreement about this, and their sources for this conclusion are all different.

About CERN and the D-Wave computers, I believe that they are both being used to try and manipulate this process of evolution and that we maybe currently in a simulation. So the Matrix movies might have been right along.

Mandela effect is a side effect and is evidence of a merging of timelines and different soul experiences have different memories that they are bringing to this timeline that don't jell with this reality. If our souls are merging that would also indicate an evolution (or acension) and "could" further lend support to the case for the new earth where evolved individuals maybe going to.
Also another topic that seems to have alot of people talking about recently is synchronicities, that may also be related to this evolution.

As to the CERN video and them laying claim to the mandela effect I do not buy into that at all, they are trying to make it seem like they are in control of the situation.
Why would they want to promote the mandela effect? What to show of how powerful they are, no I do not think so. In fact the mandela effect is the best PR the alternative community has ever had, and it is a soft sell for an awakening of the general public.

I think TPTW are running **** scared and have absolutely no way of controlling this process. But they are trying to lay claim to it, and they are carpet bombing the alternative community in hopes of making a hit and eliminating "any" threat to their control because they themselves do not known where the threat is coming from.


As to mainstream news making the admission the mandela effect is occuring you really expect them to make that admission that there is something happening that is out of their control, not in a million years. They can't even accept a well regarded scientist claims to ET contact, which would also be out of their control.
Look at what happened to Dr Lachezar Filipov, when he admitted to having contact with ET's.
Quote "Dr. Lachezar Filipov then goes missing for 10 days after disclosing this and was eventually interviewed by the media when he turned up again.
He was asked to verify the E.T presence but then replied ‘If i answer that question i will be killed’ "
Link: https://outofthisworldx.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/dr-lachezar-filipov-discloses-about-e-t-presence-that-they-are-among-us/

What convinced me that it is real initially was the JFK shooting orginal Zapruder footage were Jackie seemingly shoots JFK had me shocked and wasn't as I remember it. And also on a more personally and tangible note changes to the Ford, Volvo badges and C3PO leg and various phrases from the movies.

Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84510-JFK-murdered-by-his-wife

[mojo]

Hi BMJ,
Thank you for the reply and unfortunately that link is bad but hopefully I can find another to see what you were mentioning. Also to clarify on CERN what I watched they were not laying claim to Mandela effect. Just that the tests they were conducting are about using the D wave into working on parallel dimensions which seems to be related to what might be creating this effect....cheers and hopefully the JFK video is still out there view...

[Savannah]

I just watched a very interesting movie on Amazon prime called Random Quest by john Windham produced by the BBC network in 2006. It is a story about a Physicist who is working with a particle accelerator and ends up in another parallel universe. What seems so extraordinary about this story is that it was written in 1969. The man experiences a very changed Universe but it is similar to how people experience the Mandela effect. In reading his Bio on Wikipedia its interesting that he had Military experience.

ihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wyndham

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_Quest

Was this novel an early disclosure of Cern and the effects they knew about then?????

[sunwings]

Nelson Mandela (18 July 1918 – 5 December 2013)

Somebody has made a compilation of twitter residue before December 2013!

34407

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http://imgur.com/a/SXceo

[Patient]

I listened to a radio program on youtube that was interviewing a scientist who knows about what they are dong at cern in conjunction to these d wave computers. He spoke of the dwave computer being sentient and a strong artificial intelligent computer. He said something about the computer at google creating a complete duplicate of our world and it was attached to the computers at cern - somehow the computer was using cern to affect our universe with a parallel universe and that it was responsible for making the changes that we see as the mandela effect - it was making these changes to see how the public reacts to them. I am looking for this video but I fear it has been removed.

Sorry to post this without the actual video, but i feel that it is important that I share this. I feel dumb for not grabbing that interview after i saw it, but my mind was going in all different directions after listening to it.

[BMJ]

Hi Patient,
I would like to listen to that video if you can find it.

[Flash]

I think it may be this video you are looking for


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By56IOSZ7KY

[Patient]

Sorry Flash - not the one.

It was a radio program. There was no video, only a few minor background screenshots on rotation. Stupid me for not duplicating it - a big lesson for me for sure!!

It was an interview with a scientist who was somehow related to the Hadron collider. There was only a few thousand views and this was probably in May or June(?) of this year. I would not doubt that it was taken down. During the interview you could hear anxiety in his voice.

I don't regularly listen to any radio show either, so I do not recall the show. I am looking!

[Bill Ryan]

Sorry Flash - not the one.

It was a radio program. There was no video, only a few minor background screenshots on rotation.

It was an interview with a scientist who was somehow related to the Hadron collider.



Anthony Patch?

[TargeT]

Sorry Flash - not the one.

It was a radio program. There was no video, only a few minor background screenshots on rotation.

It was an interview with a scientist who was somehow related to the Hadron collider.



Anthony Patch?

Seems like this is close enough based on what was discussed in the post about hte radio show:

Ig-liaaRGtA

*update*

so much religious gobiltygook in this video... hard to listen to.. why are these people so seemingly desperately pushy with their chosen beliefs...

and then he says "do your own critical thinking" so you can "receive the holy spirit" :facepalm:

Sounds a bit too close to possession to me... I'm trying to not let ANYthing in...

[Patient]

Without the video we can still discuss the lines of thought that it brought to mind.

The major point from this interview was basically the D-Wave computers working together as they are connected from google to the cern collider. Another D-wave computer that is twice as powerful was scheduled to be coming online. The computer being a sentient artificial intelligent working computer, is something we have only seen in science fiction. If this is indeed connected to cern and the info gathered from the collider - it could very well be how the Mandela Effect came to be.

When I look at the things that are brought up being affected by the Mandela effect, I see a good range of things that are mostly based on popular culture. It is almost like a light sprinkling of things that span a large area of the general public. Considering this, I suspect that this was done on purpose. Music, popular movies, advertising logos, etc. And most of them subtle enough to not cause a panic, but strong enough to generate a good conversation and attention. Change things on the public and then watch to see how society reacts.

It feels intentional.

If it was indeed a random switch into a parallel universe, then why are we not seeing MAJOR changes in the borders of countries? Animal species? This feels intentional to me. Specific things were chosen and the change was subtle. Why just the line in Star Wars - Luke, I am your Father? Build it and they will come? A few choice logos? And some changes in the bible?

I am then brought to the thought - if it was intentional, what is the purpose? What is next? These are the bigger questions in my mind.

And why is it only a fringe amount of people on the planet talking about it?

[Flash]

I am very interested with these topics (mandela effect and D-wave experiments/cern/quantum physics) for many reasons, one of which is the joining of spirituality and very old teachings, esoteric and spiritual and science as such, as well as the dangers and the benefits of those.

In the video I posted earlier, I would have quite a lot to say on the scientist approaches of Quantum physics and other dimensions reaching. Amongst other things, the comment from the scientist about us going into other nearby dimensions to get their ressources and bring them back in our dimension (as if the third our own dimension did not have enough in itself).

This is a very primitive form of thinking in my views. Not enough of raping our planet, we will now rape other dimensions!!???

And who tells us or tell that scientist that we do not already have beings from other dimensions raping us.

IF we go anywhere with that kind of mind frane and thinking, there is no doubt that we will receive the same on our planet, or at the minimum have other dimensions resisting to our raping them for greed and power, and there is no doubt that they may fight us in order to stop us.

Anyhow, while searching for the interview you are looking for Patient (i am quite interested in it), i am finding quite a lot of information.

One place I ended up in is this site: https://www.youtube.com/cynthiasuelarson

I do not know how good it is, I have not had time to look at it enough yet.

Another place that I found quite interesting for its multitude of interviews that seems to look at fringe things with a different angle is this site, one of the interview being on the mandela effect/d-wave. The are all podcasts.
http://inothernewsradio.com/podcast/





Without the video we can still discuss the lines of thought that it brought to mind.

The major point from this interview was basically the D-Wave computers working together as they are connected from google to the cern collider. Another D-wave computer that is twice as powerful was scheduled to be coming online. The computer being a sentient artificial intelligent working computer, is something we have only seen in science fiction. If this is indeed connected to cern and the info gathered from the collider - it could very well be how the Mandela Effect came to be.

When I look at the things that are brought up being affected by the Mandela effect, I see a good range of things that are mostly based on popular culture. It is almost like a light sprinkling of things that span a large area of the general public. Considering this, I suspect that this was done on purpose. Music, popular movies, advertising logos, etc. And most of them subtle enough to not cause a panic, but strong enough to generate a good conversation and attention. Change things on the public and then watch to see how society reacts.

It feels intentional.

If it was indeed a random switch into a parallel universe, then why are we not seeing MAJOR changes in the borders of countries? Animal species? This feels intentional to me. Specific things were chosen and the change was subtle. Why just the line in Star Wars - Luke, I am your Father? Build it and they will come? A few choice logos? And some changes in the bible?

I am then brought to the thought - if it was intentional, what is the purpose? What is next? These are the bigger questions in my mind.

And why is it only a fringe amount of people on the planet talking about it?

[Flash]

Something else on the Mandela effect, but this time in comparison with how the bible is changing in front of our eyes, etc.

Not as interesting as the d-wave / Cern / mandela effect team however, in my views. But other members may like it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVxTqc9-GVU

[Flash]

You also have all those videos etc in this site, all on the mandela effect, cern, d-wave, quantum reality, etc. I have not had time to look at them, up to you to see (i may later look as well) (once you are no more flooded with those sex adds...)


http://deboj.net/topic/d-wave--quantium--beast-tech-revolution--parellel-dimension-.html

Interesting comments here

http://kenamp.com/Is_CERN_harnessing_'Aether'_for_the_D-WAVE_Quantum_Computer_to_manipulate_a_Parallel_Uni verse_/3-ciLnqz9gY.video

[BMJ]

Just something to consider regarding the CERN statue of Shiva, bearing in mind TPTW love symbolism.

https://environmentalarmageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/cern_shiva.jpg?w=640&h=480

Excerpt:
The statue captures Shiva performing the Tandava, a dance believed to be the source of the cycle of creation, preservation and destruction.The dance exists in five forms which shows the cosmic cycle from creation to destruction:

'Srishti' - creation, evolution
'Sthiti' - preservation, support
'Samhara' - destruction, evolution
'Tirobhava' - illusion
'Anugraha' - release, emancipation, grace


Link: http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-maha-shivratri-why-cern-the-world-s-largest-particle-physics-lab-has-a-statue-of-lord-shiva-2186655

[Flash]

Hey! Wes Penre has written a book where he discusses the Mandela effect, d-wave, etc. WE should invite him to this thead, he may know quite a lot.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

OK' half bingo, not won yet: this video is discussion your whistleblower Patient, we may finally get to find it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwl3h8l4NPI

[TargeT]

And why is it only a fringe amount of people on the planet talking about it?

Memories not matching up with videos isn't the strongest evidence.. there's not really any thing else other than some testimony.. I made it through that entire video & I never heard anything especially telling that this person was actually what they claim to be, I haven't checked his credentials yet but I don't think I need to from what I heard in that longest-half-hour of my life.

I think there's something to it because I doubt that my memories are wrong, but.. aside from that... meh, I know how malleable perception is and how crappy memories are for accuracy (go try interviewing wittiness to an event some time.. holy crap you'll get some WILD variations if they haven't been in contact with each other.)

[Patient]

I am not a religious person, but are the changes in the bible (the lord's prayer for example) just a failed memory?

While growing up in public school, I said the lord's prayer ever morning in my classroom. I did not say "forgive our debts..."

Some of the things as they are now do not even make sense. For example the end scene in the bond movie (moon raker?) where the blond girl helps Jaws get up and shows him her braces and they fall in love? Now, she has no braces - the scene makes no sense.

But yeah - I suppose if it is only a small percentage of the people that are aware of the changes then only a small percentage of people being affected. Lets hope it doesn't get worse.

[heuristic thought]

I'm starting to think this effect is a time altering event stream that started in the late 1990s and is showing its existence here in 2013-2016 because of timewave fluctuations.

[Magnus]

Maybe I've stumbled on another Mandela effect discrepancy.

Two questions for you.

Remember the movie Christmas vacation (1989), without first checking into the movie, fast forward in memory to the part where Clark (Chevy Chase) and cousin Eddie (Randy Quaid) are getting reacquainted in the living room while enjoying their eggnog, did Clark refill Eddies eggnog for him or did Eddie proceed to refill his eggnog by himself? Also, towards the end of this scene, do you remember Clark offer to transport Eddie elsewhere?

Google didn't come up with anything Mandela-wise relating to the above scene.

Cern is in my mind a profound and momentous possible factor to consider in terms of the Mandela effect.

[East Sun]

I have a 'problem' with the 'probably won't happen' and the 'will likely happen....' seeming contradiction or is that

part of this dichotomy of timelines as we see them.

.........a conundrum, if you will.....

[DNA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TS_uFH26c
E4TS_uFH26c


Joseph Farrell makes a connection with his Nazi Bell project in so far as Cern is concerned.
Now I'm saying that if the original Nazi bell had physics that could affect gravity, and gravity affects time, then it would seem that the Cern monstrosity could in fact alter time
Farrell states that the large hadron collider is a giant circle with rotating magnetic fields that have counter rotating magnetic fields.
This according to Farrell can create torsion fields, such as are created by planets themselves. Farrell states that this is a hyperdimensional machine.
Farrell then makes a correlation with Nikola Tesla, stating that Cern is imbedded in the earth and that when Tesla was asked in a court proceedings "why is your machine connected to huge rods inserted far into the ground?" and Tesla's answer was "because this machine needs to be tethered to the Earth".
Farrell goes on to state that CERN may very well be a recreation of some type of TESLA technology.
Interestingly enough on a personal note according to Andrew Bassiago the techonology that allowed Bassiago to go back in time was TESLA technology. Just saying.


Also, not a few correlation have been made about the Giza Pyramids and Tesla's technology.


http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/uploads/5/3/5/6/5356442/282160920.jpg?733



http://bendedreality.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/SameAsTeslaTower.jpg
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https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XGoUpTDnZCo/hqdefault.jpg






I just wanted to voice a correlation I was making in my mind today. Nikola Tesla stated many times that he was in contact with intelligent beings from Mars. What is worth noting is Tesla's free energy device. Tesla's free energy tower was not some coal powered energy station charging the air so wireless energy could be made free to everyone. NO. Tesla's free energy was far more ingenious than that.
Tesla's tower was dependent on using ground water combined with the minerals in the area to create "free" energy.
And then transmitting this "energy" wirelessly to be free power for all.
What is amazing about this, is how this seems to correlate with the pyramids at Giza, especially the great pyramid.
There is quite a bit of information linking the energy manufacturing methods used by Tesla's Tower and the Great Pyramid of Giza.
We also know that the Cydonia complex on Mars seems to contain the same pyramid complex we find here on earth at Giza.
Coincidence?
I do not think so.
It seems to be that beings from Mars were actually in contact with Nikkola Tesla and giving him the same formula for free power that was used in the construction of the pyramids at Giza, and we can surmise the same formula for creating free energy in the pyramid complex in Cydonia.
I believe intelligent beings still live on Mars, if not on the surface than in underground cities below the surface.
This specific episode of THE PYRAMID CODE outlines the power plant theory in so how it relates to the Pyramids at Giza.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGSPPdvJKv8
zGSPPdvJKv8

[Cidersomerset]

The Mandela Effect and Quantum Computors..

Clif High - Web Bot Trends - 27th Jan 2017

A-ihXa-RhYo


Published on 3 Feb 2017

[sunwings]

640K ought to be enough for anybody (quote has disappeared)

I don´t remember Bill Gates saying this but many people do. Many people remember watching the video when he did say it.

CRAZY!! I remember watching him say it in a video of that tradeshow.
I watched the video for the first time in the mid-1990s and for the most recent time around 2007-2008.

OMG wtf, i clearly remember in Grade 9 Introduction To Computer Programming that our Teacher mentioned this Bill Gates quote in the first couple of classes.

This is insane. I remember the article, and still quote this to my IT class. WTF.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/5syo9g/the_640k_ram_quote_from_bill_gates_is_missing/?st=iyzus0g4&sh=a5b9adf7

[BongoBob]

Hunting for the white whale of reasoning that has brought forth the Mandela Effect, recently there was a discussion (https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/5so3e8/am_i_the_only_one_that_doesnt_remember_mobydick/) that the classic 1851 novel Moby-Dick never had a dash; just Moby Dick. It's also true that it could be mostly attributed to the fact that a lot of reprints seem to have dropped the dash, and that Moby Dick (sans dash) is used in the novel itself.

I'm not sure if this is a widely observed re-perception (and I've never had the pleasure of reading Moby(-)Dick), but if so, it makes me wonder if the cause of the effect could be spreading backwards in time if it's cause is something related to physical manifestation modifications such as fiddling with the dials at CERN or what have you (instead of being a psychological effect).

From that discussion:

It didnt [have a dash]. It's my favorite book. I've read it four times. I have a leather and gold bound special edition, which now has a dash.


I don't remember the dash and I also don't think they were in common use back then. It seems out of place like the word couch in the bible.

[triquetra]

For a clue regarding this topic, the best one for this time would be that there is a difference between the underlying cause for the Mandela Effects - the triggers for each time the timelines are swapped - and the totally separate underlying cause for what is different, and who would remember things differently if they happened to have had any real memories of what's changed at all.

The only other good clue right now would be that there is so much interest towards this particular topic at this time, despite everything happening to distract, and all the other usual avenues of pursuit.

Right now many are converging on this topic because it is being brought to the forefront. The ante is going up in all this because now there are interactions not simply within reality itself, and the vast many groups within it, but also between hierarchical major layers of the meta-reality as well - interactions between layers of reality "within" others, and layers of reality "outside" of them.

Depending on what happens next these interactions may certainly increase, which could have a dramatic effect as more prominent differences begin to appear as more significant timeline swaps occur.

The earth is certainly not flat with waterfalls on all sides that go into nothingness. But the array of parallel simulations of reality certainly are - and things can be shuffled around so that portions of the batch of simulations do fall off the edges.

[sunwings]

When I first started looking for the Mandela effects I looked for homemade artwork on google images. Homemade t shirts. Homemade gifts. And i found a lot of Residue. Now this person has found lots of VW residue in old tattoos. This is real Conclusive truth because we all know people would not get a tattoo done wrong. Not in such numbers.

http://imgur.com/a/M4nWH

http://imgur.com/a/gmsWZ

[DNA]

Here is another Mandela effect. Take a moment to remember what Tom Cruise was wearing during his famous dance scene in the movie Risky Business. There is a notable difference now. This dance scene does not look the same to me at all now because of what is missing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUj79ScZJTo
IUj79ScZJTo

[BMJ]

This dance scene does not look the same to me at all now because of what is missing.

The Ray-Bans, yep checked the link I'm not the only one to think so.

Is he still driving daddys 928 in the movie or is it now a volkswagon bus? :p

[Ben]

Hi all :bigsmile:
So this is my 1st post (actually 3rd it seems, my bad memory), even though i've been a member for quite a few years. I've dipped in and out now and again but only in the past few months, and specifically relating to timelines, and now the ME, have I become properly emersed in PA.
There's quite a lot of weird stuff that's happened to me since starting to explore the ME phenonmenon, like dreams within dreams within dreams, texts appearing then disappearing (at specific times when i've been happening to be explaining ME to friends).
What I wanted to share, however, is in response to Bill's request for specifically English/British (i'm Scottish and am from Glasgow) examples of ME. After some chin scratching this afternoon, I remembered a very prominent and famous statue that has (had) been in my neighbourhood for years, and which disappeared from it's concrete base a few years ago. I then googled "where is the statue of Lobey Dosser?" and the only info I could find was 2 articles from sister, Scottish publications, saying that it had been stolen. These article were from last year, and more specifically, April 1st. They appear to be fools jokes to some extent. Here is one http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14399560.Rank_Bajins_vandalise_Glasgow_s_famous_Lobey_Dosser_statue/
Now it could be just my faulty memory but i'm almost certain it isn't - this statue was gone 3 yrs ago, give or take a few months. None of the locals of the area or businessess seem to have a clue as to how it vanished!
Anyhow, I thought this was a very localised example of the Mandela Effect, and happy to share.

I also want to emphasise my total agreement with the statement that Bill made about taking all of this in, very considerately and slowly, and not to get caught up in manic thoughts and expressions. I have to say it's the most mind bending realm of happenings i've yet stumbled across.:confused:






Edit from Bill (and thanks for the very interesting story): a member's first post is their application, and their second post is their reply on the Welcome Thread, which activates their new membership. Their first 'real' post is always the third one. :)

[seleka]

Ok I think I found the 'main' Mandela thread. I am very happy to have found this here in this forum, a place where people can interact freely without judgement. I have much to say on the subject, but as this thread is long and my personal observations are likely much like the ones already posted I will share this short video I just watched then go read it all. The hardest part of this is my husband has noticed and seen it but just keeps on going, saying it does not affect him in his daily life and he has the householders concern I know, so I learn and watch alone, but now have refound this wonderful place to talk to others like me. k8IPzJSd9K8

[sunwings]

t7Rv9FumjFw

Man finds an old VHS of moonraker

Jump to 1:30min

WTF indeed

Comments are great

[BongoBob]

Hi all :bigsmile:
So this is my 1st post (actually 3rd it seems, my bad memory), even though i've been a member for quite a few years. I've dipped in and out now and again but only in the past few months, and specifically relating to timelines, and now the ME, have I become properly emersed in PA.

What I wanted to share, however, is in response to Bill's request for specifically English/British (i'm Scottish and am from Glasgow) examples of ME.


Welcome to the forum!

Your post brought up an interesting point that was brought up in Another place on the internet (https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/comments/5ulbbx/me_in_other_languages/), about not finding instances of the Mandela Effect in other languages, and seems to be only localized to English.

From the topic -

This is a thought I had for a while: Most of the discovered MEs that I've seen/noticed are very centered around english/american language and spelling.

English is my second language (my first is german) and I've noticed that some MEs that have changed in english, are still the 'old' version in german.

Magic Mirror is 'Spieglein, Spieglein' (Mirror Mirror)

'Interview mit dem (=The) Vampir' ('..a vampire' would be '..einem Vampir')

Forrest Gump, the sentence is in the present tense

So- maybe instead of looking for specific English examples (as we have plenty to choose from it seems! ) we should be looking to see if there are prominent examples in other cultures around the world.

[TargeT]

So.. I might agree with some of this... haha grains of salt and all that.

TYonTBRM0VI

Frailty of the human mind: "eye witnesses" (https://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20One/fisher&tversky.htm)

Social memories.. group thinking really that effects memory. (http://www.igi-global.com/dictionary/group-memory/34194)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactive_memory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_memory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_conformity

Our minds & perceptions are not what we assume they are and, they are far more fluid.

[seleka]

I am only on page three but I have to jump in here.
I had never heard of this until today so I watched some of the videos and I find them deeply disturbing, unnerving to say the least.
I was concerned about the closing of book stores and the move to digital. It gives them the power to change history without burning books. They just go in a rewrite it. They seem to have changed a lot of trivial things such as slogans and product names to see how the world will react. I used to have an extensive book collection but moving around the US I had to give it away. PARTIAL QUOTE-It is unnerving for those of us that are living it, I agree. So unnerving that some ignore it or ridicule it. As for the digital, it doesn't seem to matter if it is printed or digital. The things that have remained as what we call 'residuals' are usually art or people's interpretations. One good example of the maps is a project of many hand drawn maps, most remembered things differently than the 'official'


Not saying there is no Mandela Effect, or any other shenanigans going on behind the scenes. TPTB rewriting history is almost a given. I was just pointing out that the examples given in the first video don't prove much, IMO, as my memory of words and phrases is different than that of the guy in the video. In his memory, words, phrases, and names have changed, so he claims the Mandela Effect. But in my memory, those same words and phrases haven't changed.
Again, I'm not saying something isn't happening. Just saying those examples may not be best way of trying to prove it.
To those that have 'always been in this timeline' or simply not experiencing it for whatever reason it is difficult to let others have their past because it is so seemingly 'different' than the collective consciousness. Humans have a need to know what is 'right' and 'wrong' not in a moral sense, but in an argumentative sense. This has changed things. I have many MEs in common with others. I know beyond the shadow of a doubt on many of them. But for me, it was always M-A-Y-E-R and most of the others seem to remember it with an 'E'. But since I am a person having this effect, I can in no way discount that is what they 'knew' in their 'reality'. It has made everything very malleable and more perception oriented....


I cant tell you how disconcerting this is to me. I have not left my computer all day. I have never done anything like this before. I had an NDE, out of body experiences, channeled and I took it all in stride. To suddenly see my world change, like someone put a new program in the matrix is freaking me out.

I am with you sister!




I was curious about this so just thought I'd go and check it out in my mothers old encyclopaedias. I did find it in The wonderland of knowledge, Volume 1, Marvels of invention, and the portrait of Eli Whitney is very definitely white. I can't see when these books were published but there is an inscription to my mother dated 1933.
Most of the books have changed- right on the shelves, even KJV from the 1600s have 'stuff' in them now, which was not a word then. There are many other examples from the bible. (wineskins is now bottles, even in old bibles). This rewriting of history or timeline jump included the written. I had amassed old books for the eventual 'digital shutdown' that will come one day due to the failed electrical grid. But they have changed to reflect whatever the entity that is manipulating reality wants us to have. It is the DWAVE quantum 2 causing this I am sure now. The man that invented it said he invented it to touch parallel universe and exchange and electron or two with them. I am guessing all these pieces have been filled in , like the happy at cern vid with the guy and the mandela sign... so I will get back to reading. It is heavy reading though as always on this site lol


Top 10 misquotes

1. "Luke, I am your father" – Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

2. "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?" – Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)

3. "Do you feel lucky, punk?" – Dirty Harry (1971)

4. "Play it again, Sam" – Casablanca (1942)

5. "Hello, Clarice" – The Silence of the Lambs (1991)

6. "Beam me up, Scotty" – Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)

7. "Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn" – Gone With the Wind (1939)

8. "If you build it, they will come" – Field of Dreams (1989)

9. "I don't think we're in Kansas anymore, Toto" – The Wizard of Oz (1939)

10. "Mrs Robinson, are you trying to seduce me?" – The Graduate (1967)

Source Guardian 2009 https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/may/11/star-wars-movie-misquotes-poll


The only one on this list that was not originally in the movie that I am positive of is "Play it again Sam" I remember looking for that line and that it was a misquote. The two I am not sure of is the graduate and dirty harry. All the other lines in the movies were said in the 'timeline' I am from. The VHS box for Forrest Gump still has the quote as, "Life is like a box of chocolates" and there is footage taken behind the scenes saying it this way, yet the movie, which I know very well, now has changed the line to 'was'. I am a person that has watched many movies from the 80s and 90s and before. I will hear someone say something and a movie line pops in my head. I have a lot memorized and they have changed. There are interviews of JEJ saying the iconic line we all remember.



Name changes are a fairly common occurrence these days. If you are a huge corporation like France Telecom changing your name to Orange or GDF to engie, it will cost you something in the order of 15-20 billion. Why do they do it?

I am guessing someone else already explained this. But I will do it now too because this mandela effect is a huge deal to those of us that are having it. We are not talking about name changes or logo changes that are registered. If you go look at the logopedia for these things, they were always this way in this timeline. Like the VW logo or the Ford logo. But they are not the same logos I grew up with, nor the volvo. I am sure I will have more to say lol enough for now.

[seleka]

Yes! We have had some strange experiences like that:

My brother was in bed, it was around 10pm, when he saw the lights of a car pulling into his driveway. The driver got out out of the car, shut the car door and started calling out his name from the gate. My brother decided not to answer as the visitor was unannounced at a late hour and he did not recognize the voice. The next day he checked the cameras and there was no evidence of any visitor whatsoever, BUT he saw himself walk past the camera. He was in bed, so that was not possible.

I experienced an entire day that I lived two years ago, right down to the news articles I read and YouTube videos I watched. Even my phones apps went back in time. I checked for updates and there were none. I told my husband that the Internet uploaded the wrong backup or something. It was mental. His phones apps were different versions to mine. We lost our minds.

My husband had a clear memory of being in Antarctica, with Vladimir Putin, operating Haarp. I asked him how it worked and he explained it to me as if he was remembering that exact day. I told him that he has never been to Antarctica, nevermind even met Vladimir and he looked at me totally confused... It was crazy. He had more memories like that the same weekend. It was the same weekend that I lived the same day twice... This was about 3 months ago.

We have had more experiences like this in the past few months.

It's scary and exciting all at the same time. Hard to explain...


I also appreciate the personal ones. I have had things disappear so completely to be found after two moves, in the lining of the chair I had checked for that remote many times... I thought i had a spirit moving things, but now I see it may be slipping in and out of realities... I am very excited to have people to talk to about this that are also experiencing this so I searched the thread. The MONA LISA is a huge one and should be able to be seen by anyone not from here...and also, MARILYN MONROE is SKINNY in this timeline! She was a 16-18 and now there are articles saying fat women always used to say that about her to make themselves feel good about being large. The pictures of her are a skinny woman. A woman I had never seen before. I don't know if ppl like vids or articles so i will link both.

NHm5Vgb_CAg This is 1:14sec. It is on the moneybags73 channel. He has done a series of 'voting videos'. If you are experiencing this, I recommend his channel and Dr Tarrin D Lupo.

O1_iBsM8mjg this one reveals the residual at 1:13

cR5ili8iFIkshort vid on Marilyn from Mandelaeffected channel- another good one, though I have trouble with the accent at times.

Here is a link to an article about MM clearly written from someone on this side of the time 'rift'- http://mentalfloss.com/article/66536/what-dress-size-was-marilyn-monroe-actually

An article about Mona Lisa smile and the way it was painted. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/illusion-chasers/another-da-vinci-smile-has-been-discovered/ I am going to look for that image but larger because the 'blurry' side look more like what is remembered...

For anyone that is 'nay saying' this or laughing it off as confabulation or poor memory, when tens of thousands of us are experiencing it- I ask - Do you believe in UFOs? Or that ingesting fluoride is bad for the brain (pineal), or maybe that bigfoot exists? Many ridicule those too. How does it feel when others tell you it just didn't happen? Thousands have had contact with UFOs but those that have not dismiss it and it is not right for those that have had that experience, they want to be heard.

The words to "California Dreamin" changed. Then they changed back. Then they changed again. and again to the original. I have not wanted to check to see the current status. The song "Champions of the World" by Queen ends differently now. There is a clip of gwen stefani and george clooney in a karoake car skit and you can see them all waiting for the finale. That clip now makes me wonder what this plan really is since all we know about PG and they are both at those sect type of functions..... I always remember first learning of a time travelling supercomputer from mr cati a long time ago (last time i was hanging around here I think, 3 years ago?). I couldn't watch his whole vid, but I am pretty sure its what it is.

O and on a personal note, I have ribs on my lower back that were not there before and my heart has moved down and more centered so I have physical changes also. My husband refuses to talk about it and my daughter who is 13 also has clear memories like mine.

I tried to explain to my husband its like this- "one day I walk outside and the grass is blue and the sky is green. It is 'normal' to him and the others around him but not to one that is used to the opposite. To this person, everything is different now"

maybe its a distraction rabbit hole, but it has solid walls and burrows galore.

[seleka]

Bizarre Opening Ceremony For Gotthard Base Tunnel In Switzerland

I believe the Gotthard tunnel opening was a ritual to welcome what 'they' think of as satan to the earth, from the abyss. The story behind the ritual was supposedly about a rock that a woman put a cross on and it prevented satan from crossing a bridge. Well they moved that rock during construction. such symbology?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUvce81BfYk

Interesting video about a man who has spent his life obsessed with the theories of Tesla and comments about his perceptions of Mandela effect. His comments fit the opening ceremonies video of CERN worm holes opening and Satan coming in.
Trump's uncle, John, was the man that cleaned up Tesla's papers! A theory is that DJT is Titor has been circulating the YT.

https://worldhistoryproject.org/1943/1/7/nikola-tesla-dies

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Terrifying Phenomena Reported Over CERN

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Jaw dropping photos taken above CERN’s Large Hadron Collider lead to wild new conspiracy theories


This is phenomenal proof that whatever they were doing had a definite physical repercussion available to see. The CERN should be stopped.


It appears there's a Windows update like effect adding & removing things from our reality. This video shows that sections with new paper & ink are appearing in old books.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttmk5Jxyw94

This was one of my favorite early ME vids (when it was new to me)


Last week I saw a documentary on tv where Tom Hanks clearly says that legendary line "Life is like box of chocolates." I was wondering if he says it more than once in Forrest Gump or not and that other time being was. Or was that line changed to some later versions of that movie?

It is the time he is on the bench speaking with someone waiting for the bus. There is a 'behind the scenes' vid that shows it as 'is'. But one could say that it was different takes. The other time it is said is when his mother says it to him in her bed as she lay ill. she says is


Thats part of the effect i believe. . do you remember any conspiracy about the driver?
How far back do you remember that there was a conspiracy about his wife doing it?
EDIT...
just wanted to add that the questions are no attack. Im wanting to find out what i can. Because what you remember is totally right. On this time.
It is either we are both right or i have dropped into the delusion. Which to me it is my truth. You know what i mean

yes we all know the 'official' narrative for the day because it is what shows up when we google or use a reference book (in most cases). For those that remember it the way it is told in wikipedia, it is no different for them. the part that is to be explored are our memories of it and how it differs. I remember only 4. I remember the footage being black and white, even the new stuff was not colorized the way it is now. There was never a theory that Jackie did it. She behaved differently in the car this time than in the 4 seater the way I remember it.

I remember that there were four people in the car, and I was taken a back by the footage showing Jackie shooting JFK "I had never seen that video before" and I watched it several times over, it is not the way the JFK shooting happened in my reality.

"The director of the documentary I Shot JFK: The Shocking Truth, freaks out when he sees the Zapruder film for the first time since he shot his documentary and has major Mandela Effect
#MandelaEffect"
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I think this old Animaniacs cartoon showing the place where I always remember Australia, to be very interesting.
Yes, this version of Australia away from the other land is what i remember, not cozied up to Papau New Guinea! This is a collection of hand drawn maps and other things
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On a lighter note.
I'm surprised we don't reflect more on songs and song lyrics that do not seem to be the same and have changed.



THIS!!!!! California Dreaming has changed back and forth a few times since people started paying attention.
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Just something to consider regarding the CERN statue of Shiva, bearing in mind TPTW love symbolism.

https://environmentalarmageddon.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/cern_shiva.jpg?w=640&h=480

Do you all remember the ritual that took place on the campus of CERN, in front of the statue of Shiva, it looked like a sacrifice. The people that run the place laughed it off, saying it was the staff having a good time. That is a weird way to have a good time.


When I first started looking for the Mandela effects I looked for homemade artwork on google images. Homemade t shirts. Homemade gifts. And i found a lot of Residue. Now this person has found lots of VW residue in old tattoos.

This one too! It was a big deal to memorize bible verses in my family as a young toddler and child and i know this one! E2MJ1gIF5_4 Just since this video was posted in July, images with the old saying have almost disappeared when a search is done. hmmmmmm. It makes me think more and more about the guy on 4chan that called himself Jeremy. He explained it is a construct, that there was an ELE and a 'collective' has taken over. I think we can all put our minds to something else, but knowledge is power. He said one thing that Really struck me. He said it wasn't even originally Berenstein, it was bernstein and it clicked and sang when I read that. I have a clear memory of why did my parents say an extra syllable? I learned to read at 3 and could read it. My dad talked about it because it was a 'jewish' last name to him and my mother read to me as a young one too, so when she would read it aloud, she would pronounce 'bear an steen" it was written Bernstein to my eyes.
I have a few cases of 'multiple' memory. Clear ones. I remember both Totino's and Tostino's being for sale at the same time, or it was a case of timeline jumping when I was 12. I remember Jif and Jiffy. But it is only on the products I remember both. It is similar to what the guy experiences in Genysis, after he travels through time to stop skynet. He can remember both timelines, especially in relation to a particular birthday

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I also want to emphasise my total agreement with the statement that Bill made about taking all of this in, very considerately and slowly, and not to get caught up in manic thoughts and expressions. I have to say it's the most mind bending realm of happenings i've yet stumbled across.:confused:

I have done psychedlics a lot in the past and this is like when you realize you are deep in the pattern of the floor and you 'rejoin' the scene around you, or like the fall into the stare of the pattern.... like you expect to look around and realize you have been sitting on a couch in a college apt imagining all of this. It is easier for those of us that have done psychedelics I think. Physical reality can seem to change when having the veil lifted.

I have finally caught up on this thread and look forward to more chats. This took me hours, whew. Somehow, someway, we have been chosen for something. The biggest one for most men is the end of Moonraker....

[BMJ]

6 New Holes In The Human Skull

Now beyond having the addition of the sphenoid bone we also have the addition of six new holes, foramina, on our face which are known as mental foraman, infra-orbital foraman and supra-orbital foraman the last on the lip of the eyebrow. Which provide passages for nerves or nerve endings.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/71/74271-004-8BC49794.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE1GqxwmZxc

[BMJ]

James Gates Exposes Mandela Effect To Neil deGrasse Tyson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnxmP83OoTY

Sylvester James Gates Jr. (born December 15, 1950), known as S. James Gates Jr. or Jim Gates, is an American theoretical physicist, known for work on supersymmetry, supergravity, and superstring theory. He is currently a professor in the physics department at the University of Maryland College of Computer, Mathematical, and Natural Sciences, a University of Maryland Regents Professor and served on former President Barack Obama's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_James_Gates

[muxfolder]

AVGN take on Mandela effect.
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I was absolutely sure that the guy on Monopoly wore monocle. Guess I was wrong then? :D

[bennycog]

Those holes in the skull have blown me away. you would think with looking into the Mandela effect i would have picked up on that long ago. but i don't remember them. Amazing stuff.. who knows

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[Chakra]

This video did not have the ending edited out like the other one did. IE the 'of the world' ending.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTivVclQQ0

[BMJ]

I was absolutely sure that the guy on Monopoly wore monocle. Guess I was wrong then? :D

Yes he was wearing a monocle, and Ace Ventura even agrees with us. :bigsmile:

Ace Ventura - The Monopoly Guy

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[ponda]

Here's another take on the Mandela Effect




Mandela Effect, DMT, Simulation Reality, I-Ching and Much More.

Published on Sep 23, 2016

The Mandela Effect, is perhaps, one of the most shocking, overwhelming and most confounding certainties that can penetrate the human mind so harshly that it can cause a small awakening within an individual, or, cause one to denounce such wild theories and use the confabulation argument via Wikipedia on every single effect despite the growing mass of evidence that something is clearly altering recorded history.

For many of us, the Mandela Effect has had a profound influence in our lives since discovering it. Life was for lack of a better term "normal" before the Mandela effect, but after coming in contact with this, it has caused many of us, including myself, to question my own beliefs on how this universe functions and my role in it. The Mandela effect has the strike of a 1,000 tons of dynamite on the human psyche, but nothing in comparison to what I am going to talk to you here tonight. This is a rabbit hole and it goes deep!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o5Vh3atreM&t=1s

[ghostrider]

South America is now located in a diffrent place than I remember... Egypt also looks out of place, it seems more north than I remember... Everything is different ...

[ghostrider]

I remember Dolores Cannon saying we are moving into a new earth, some would notice the shift some would not ... The new earth where everything seems a bit different ...

[ghostrider]

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Mandela MAILBAG #7, Rodin's The Thinker has changed, C3PO golden leg, 52 states in the USA, Home Depot name change.

The thinking man always had his hand balled in a fist ...

[ghostrider]

Yeah, my says im different, she cant put her finger on it ... I I'm finding people with an M in their palm see the mandela effect more than those who don't ... I think a bunch of us were shifted from another earth , it happens in a blink and returning to the normal time can happen for a brief moment... the painting of the creation of david in our living room has changed, we have had it for 15 years, now its different, god is reaching over instead of down ... it's a huge canvas painting 48x60...

[araucaria]

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Mandela MAILBAG #7, Rodin's The Thinker has changed, C3PO golden leg, 52 states in the USA, Home Depot name change.

The thinking man always had his hand balled in a fist ...
Well, this is a mistake, and is probably caused by the commonest angles from which pictures of the statue are taken. For example, a gelatin silver print by Marcel Hutin taken at the inauguration of The Thinker at the Panthéon on April 21, 1906 (reprinted in Antoinette Le Normand-Romain’s book Rodin, Abbeville Press, 2013, p. 339) is taken from the right and below, where the difference is not obvious between a clenched fist and the actual pose. The difference lies simply in the position of the ends of the fingers: bent at right angles or not? It is an easy supposition/mistake to make, especially as the clenched fist is, to anyone’s spontaneous thinking, much the likelier of the two. But that is what artists tend to do: the unlikely, unspontaneous thing.

I listened to that video, and did not miss the Freudian slip in the introduction: ‘close your mind’ at 1:45 – he actually says ‘close your mind’; did you hear that? He meant close your eyes and open your mind, but it came out horribly wrong. None of his book quotes or web pages can adequately contradict the above explanation. And yes, you can even write a great poem or piece of literature based on mistakes of this kind. Sometimes it will be a genuine mistake to be corrected, but sometimes the author has no choice but to leave it as it is. At other times, it may be deliberate, i.e. fiction, i.e. based on something else. For all we know, Rodin may have started out with the clenched fist and modified the position somewhere along the way.

Another consideration is specific to the bronze cast, which is endlessly reproducible - and modifiable. If you wanted to make a Thinker with clenched fist, you would make a mould from which to make a plaster cast; you would then modify the fingers on the plaster cast, and finally you would make a mould of that, from which to cast a bronze. It requires some effort, but financially the plagiarism might be well worth the effort for a sculptor with no talent of his own, who actually doesn’t need to be a sculptor at all. Hence if the world is flooded with fake Rodins, it may be that many of these are not faithful reproductions anyway.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2001/oct/02/artsfeatures.arts

[ghostrider]

Have you seen the maps ??? The gulf of New Mexico is now jokingly called the lake of New Mexico... Australia is totally too far north ...the point is reality doesn't match most peoples memories ... a vast group remembers the same glitch, one would think at least one person would remember luke I am your daddy, luke I am your kin , luke I am your blood, nope they all remember the exact same reality... pass around a sentence in a room of people and when it gets back its altered , in this case it remains exact collectively ... a mass scale of people who don't know each other, from every age group, from different continents, all remember a reality that has been altered ...