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chancy
12th June 2016, 03:18
Hello Everyone:
So much for patents huh?
A very rich fellow told me a patent was as good as giving your idea away.
In this case it looks to be true and without compensation!
chancy


Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-08/congratulations-your-genius-patent-is-now-a-military-secret?ref=yfp


Congratulations, Your Genius Patent Is Now a Military Secret
A few citizen-inventors find the contents of their brains declared government secrets each year.
Joshua Brustein
June 8, 2016 — 10:30 AM EDT

Jim Geer filed a patent application on April 7, 2000, that describes a novel technique for tracking stealth aircraft. It was an idea that Geer, who owns a 10-person software company and has a background in physics, had been toying with for years. He had no connection to the military or defense contractors, and there was no reason to believe he was in a position to develop the technology. He thinks of his tendency to apply for patents as a way to unwind in the evenings. "Some people like football," Geer said. "I like to tinker."

It seemed likely that nothing practical would ever come of Geer’s patent application—one of over 315,000 filed that year—even if it were approved. But the U.S. Air Force preferred to take no chances and, using a little-known power, ordered Geer to refrain from speaking in public about his stealth-detection concept. The following August, the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office sent Geer a warning letter that declared his idea a national secret.

Geer was delighted. This seemed like validation that he was onto something momentous, and he figured the government would pay him to license his patent so long as he kept his mouth shut. Besides, the garrulous Alabaman already had a handful of patents to his name, and he had never heard of other inventors with government secrecy orders. “I thought, ‘Wow, that’s neat!” he recalled. That impression soon changed when he realized that, to the government, issuing the secrecy order was the end of the story. Having an idea interesting enough to become a government secret just “means you’re S.O.L,” he said.
Secrecy Order
Just a handful of people find themselves in Geer’s position, forbidden by the government from pursuing ideas laid out in patent applications due to national-security concerns. The U.S. patent office issued 95 secrecy orders in 2015, one for every 6,628 applications received. Most concerned inventions developed by large companies specifically for the military or other government agencies. It goes with the territory, particularly when working with classified material for a government client. The secrecy can even help defense contractors keep rivals in the dark.

These gag orders are a different sort of ordeal for private inventors, about a dozen of whom file patent applications that are made secret by government mandate each year. The fate of most of these inventions remains murky—they’re secret, after all. The few secret patents that come to light have usually done so after years mired in gridlock. The government is often content to stop other people from working on an idea, even if it has no interest in pursuing the invention on its own. There is a legal process to ask the government for compensation, but it takes years and almost never pays out.

Geer decided not to take his secrecy order sitting down. “I started thinking, 'Well heck, this is costing me money!' I started writing letters to them, trying to get out of it,” he said. He wrote a business plan describing what he could do if the secrecy order weren’t stopping him, detailing the governments and corporations that might buy the technology to track planes. He had something of track record turning patents into real money, selling one idea for a TiVo-style digital-video recorder to a subsidiary of Intellectual Ventures, one of Silicon Valley’s best-known amassers of patents. His most recent patent, received in September 2015, would use the signals sent by tires to the computer within a car as a means of surveillance.

Like many inventors, Geer is an exuberant optimist. He claimed his stealth-detection patent could earn $610 million over 10 years. He asked the government for $5.6 million, or two percent of his projected gross sales over the first seven years of the secrecy order.

“They basically said go fly a kite,” Geer said.

Patent secrecy orders are unlike other forms of government secrecy in one important way. Most classified information is created by the government in the first place, while the brain of a citizen-inventor such as Geer is, by definition, private. Requiring inventors to keep quiet is arguably a violation of their constitutional right to free speech and an unlawful confiscation of their property. When faced with legal challenges to these gag orders, government agencies have quietly settled or even made public the information within the patent to invalidate the dispute.

Alex Wellerstein, a historian who studies nuclear secrecy, sees such moves as deliberate attempts to avoid creating precedent around the core constitutional issue. “The government’s legal basis for keeping private information secret is very vulnerable,” he said.

The initial invention secrecy policies came as part of a temporary wartime order during WWI. New legislation enacted on the eve of WWII followed the same model in an effort to tamp down on nuclear secrets. Immediately following the war, Washington looked to ease worries about rogue scientists by simply banning them from seeking patents related to a wide swath of atomic energy research. Congress also gave the patent office permanent authority to put gag orders on applications via the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.

Under that law, federal agencies can ask the patent office to seal applications with orders that can be renewed annually. Any inventor who breaks a gag order can lose the patent rights or face fines and incarceration. While a handful of patent-secrecy orders are reversed each year, most seem to stay in place indefinitely. The longest-running secrecy orders date back to the early 1940s, and Wellerstein believes they almost certainly relate to nuclear technology. Other fields that tend to be susceptible are cryptography and communications technology for guiding weapons.

“The secrecy is more sexy than the invention in many cases”

The government’s use of secrecy orders has ebbed and flowed over time. The number of new orders issued per year dropped at the end of the Cold War and hasn't ticked back up. But another change, in the years since 2001, has seen a drop in the number of secrecy orders that are rescinded. There are currently more than 5,500 secrecy orders on patent applications, the most since 1993.

Private inventors who have asked for compensation haven’t been successful, thanks to an ironclad Catch-22: The inventions are secret and so, by definition, lack a market because the ideas in the patent applications can't be publicly revealed. That makes it impossible to demonstrate how much money is being lost by the impact of government secrecy. Government lawyers facing these cases have routinely argued that there is no evidence that the inventors would have made any money from their ideas. It's easy to dismiss claims such as those Geer laid out in his business plan as fanciful.

James Linick, an engineer living in Florida, sued the Army for $2.5 million after it put a secrecy order on one of his patent applications. In court documents, he cited past work with European arms makers and argued that he was having trouble landing new contracts because of the secrecy order. The government responded by saying that Linick's failure to land business showed that his ideas probably weren’t quite as lucrative as he imagined. Thomas Wheeler, a judge in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, sided with the government. The inventor had produced evidence of a bright idea, the judge wrote , but he had “not produced evidence of a valuable idea.” (Linick, through his lawyer, declined to comment.)

A more sweeping challenge to the secrecy law came recently from two engineers from Detroit's water department with an idea for how to confuse heat-seeking missiles. Budimir and Desanka Damnjanovic, a married couple, wanted to patent a method for spraying liquid from the back of an airplane. This, they said in their application, would confuse anti-aircraft weapons systems. The Patent Office issued a secrecy order in 2009, and the Damnjanovics began the administrative process of applying for compensation.

The government responded by sending FBI agents to their house to make sure the inventors understood the seriousness of the situation, according to both court documents and the couple's lawyer, Hattem Beydoun. The Air Force, meanwhile, dragged out its response to their request for compensation. It took five years for the Damnjanovics to exhaust their options. The couple sued in 2014, claiming that the Invention Secrecy Act violated the First Amendment and the Fifth Amendment. The government, in turn, lifted the secrecy and moved to have the case dismissed. “There is no longer any ‘live’ controversy regarding any alleged restriction on their free speech rights,” the government said in a court filing.

The official reason given for not renewing the secrecy order was that the idea wasn’t viable. The technique in the patent application by the Damnjanovics would be useful for only a few airplanes, the government contended, and the equipment needed to implement their design would be cumbersome. Given all this, the patent application posed no threat to national security. These things were probably true a few years earlier.

The Damnjanovics' lawyer questions the timing of the Air Force’s sudden skepticism. “What happened that caused you to change your mind? I’ll tell you what happened. It’s that you got sued,” Beydoun said.

The inventors from Michigan agreed in December to a $63,000 settlement. In the 65-year history of the Invention Secrecy Act, this stands out as a rare instance in which the government paid private inventors for a secret patent application. In doing so, the government put an end to a lawsuit that could have developed into a fundamental threat to the law itself.

There’s no clear evidence to suggest that the Invention Secrecy Act is holding back the march of technological progress. Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists keeps track of the inventions whose secrecy orders are lifted; most, he said, are notable for being perfectly ordinary. “Nobody has invented warp drive or time travel. They’re fairly mundane inventions that may have some relevance to the military,” he said. “The secrecy is more sexy than the invention in many cases.”

Geer eventually convinced the Air Force to lift the secrecy order on his stealth-tracking idea, and he received a patent in 2011. Nothing ever came of it, although he insists this is mostly because he lost the chance to market it during the decade his invention was kept secret. This spring he filed an application for an additional patent related to a technology that tracks drones that stray too close to airports. Unlike his patent application from 2000, it doesn’t mention the word “stealth,” a distinction he hopes will keep the Air Force away from it.

While Linick and the Damnjanovics felt victimized by their experiences, Geer describes his brush with patent secrecy as kind of a romp. Sure, he thinks it cost him money. But it’s the only time in his career he felt as if he almost hit it big. In his office, he has framed copies of all of his patents. His no-longer-secret secrecy order is framed, too. “The stealth patent is kind of my favorite,” he said.

Aurelius
12th June 2016, 03:43
here is the patent:

https://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7952511

This patent idea involves: traditionally one monitors air-space, trying to detect objects within this air-space by means of radar reflections directly from an object. Stealth craft prevent radar reflections off their body, so this technique wont work. This patent involves you constantly monitoring radar reflections from the background, looking for fluctuations which may be the "shadow" of an object, which then allows you to identify & track an object indirectly.

hint: if you want a more advanced version of this concept, watch the PeteP (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooSRh7V68uk) interview.

In the USA and probably many other countries, ALL patents are reviewed by the military before they are granted.

Scientists / Engineers need to learn, hopefully they will learn after hitting their heads enough times ... share the knowledge publicly & teach it publicly. The argument against this is always, how will they they recover their investment, how will they earn income to keep going. Technologies are on their way to deal with these challenges. Also, by doing this, disclosing publicly, you establish "prior art" which makes it difficult for a corporation with an armada of lawyers to patent it.

This is a complex matter, but in short, people need to realise the degree to which the progress & evolution of society / civilisation has been impacted for the very reasons behind this patent story. Most inventors, either take their ideas to the grave with them, make a complete botch-up in taking it beyond the idea/prototype stage or sell to the highest bidder. In the latter case, the highest bidder then controls how and where the knowledge is used.

In the case of free-energy, anti-grav or time manipulation technologies, one get's "special treatment". First the dis-info machine is put on you, then the rest of the processes as detailed below is applied.

One needs to realise the degree of crime & corruption that is rife in the high-tech world. Some organisations are constantly on the prowl for new knowledge that will benefit them. They will stop at nothing to extort or even kill scientists that have made significant discoveries, in order to gain ownership of the patents. This practice can be found in the bio-tech, military, aerospace, nano & semi-conductor industries. There are even companies that exist, that have no other assets other than a Rolodex of patents. Their business model involves looking at successful products in the market place, looking for possible patent infringements against their Rolodex, then unleashing their armada of lawyers. Often they look at up-coming "technology waves" and then load-up their Rolodex appropriately and then wait for their prey. This practice is quite common in the software & communications industries, a complete perversion of the patent system imho.

If we shared knowledge and collaborated publicly, those that decide to collaborate can determine where and how they want to take the knowledge, this type of conduct on a global scale, will eventually erode-away the "control" mechanisms and then force change on what has been used to maintain the status-quo for so long, namely: the patent office (policers), peer review, academia, corporations (cash machines).

In summary: getting a secrecy mandate slapped on your patent, may not always happen for the reasons one thinks. Sometimes it is pure bureaucracy (which i believe is the case in this instance), other times it's genuine national security concerns, other times a friendly "partner" or "contractor" wants to own the knowledge. An example of the latter is the FDA - Élan patent regarding Burzynski (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtcONGgjlU).

Omni
12th June 2016, 04:01
here is the patent:

https://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7952511

nothing novel here, instead of monitoring a "realm" in air space for an object (traditional radar), you constantly monitor the background radiation looking for fluctuations which may be the "shadow" of an object (so you identify & track the object indirectly).

scientists / engineers needs to learn, hopefully they will after hitting their heads enough times, give out the knowledge publicly, also teach it publicly. it may not come with monetary reward, but it will reward you in many other ways. by doing this, you establish "prior art", this makes it difficult for a corporation with an armada of lawyers to patent it.

Dr. Robert Duncan speaks of using the earths electromagnetic field as an EEG for remote neural monitoring. This seems like something up that alley...

Carmody
12th June 2016, 04:33
When one does so from another country than the US... and one files, from that given country, a standard USPTO (united States provisional Patent)..well.. they cannot slap a secrecy order on it.

Too freaking late. It won't work. The patent goes forward. It moves to being public, and gets placed in the open system, and can even get to the evaluation stage.

Or, it stays in the sealed system for an incredibly long time, with total silence from the US offices. Which, is technically, incorrect and against the patent office rules.

In that case, they might go for the kill. The accidental death.

Anchor
12th June 2016, 11:23
There are even companies that exist, that have no other assets other than a Rolodex of patents. Their business model involves looking at successful products in the market place, looking for possible patent infringements against their Rolodex, then unleashing their armada of lawyers. Often they look at up-coming "technology waves" and then load-up their Rolodex appropriately and then wait for their prey. This practice is quite common in the software & communications industries, a complete perversion of the patent system imho.

It has become so common they have a "name" - patent trolls, and the business model is patent trolling.

https://www.eff.org/issues/resources-patent-troll-victims

A..

shaberon
12th June 2016, 20:50
Yes also, major players such as Sony perform "cluster patenting". As soon as your idea comes out, they have a team which cranks out a hundred similar designs, each with a small variation. Either yours goes down due to infringement, or they capture the market anyway from being faster and bigger.

Concerning stealth detection, well, those stealth planes cannot operate against a modern military--other countries either figured out that same "shadow" idea, or some other workaround, so they're only good against poor little places.

ozmirage
13th June 2016, 00:42
There are even companies that exist, that have no other assets other than a Rolodex of patents. Their business model involves looking at successful products in the market place, looking for possible patent infringements against their Rolodex, then unleashing their armada of lawyers. Often they look at up-coming "technology waves" and then load-up their Rolodex appropriately and then wait for their prey. This practice is quite common in the software & communications industries, a complete perversion of the patent system imho.

It has become so common they have a "name" - patent trolls, and the business model is patent trolling.

https://www.eff.org/issues/resources-patent-troll-victims

A..

Another great reason to forbid corporations (artificial persons) from owning patents or being granted patents.
Only individual human beings should be protected.

sigma6
14th June 2016, 09:38
consider what happens when ANYTHING is registered in the public domain... an application is written with a signature on it ... in the public it is a form of contract, in trust it is a legal property... you are asking a third party (the Registrar) to hold it for you... that piece of paper with a signature on it is a legal property and a legal title... a record can be used as a title in trust (as per CW) i.e. REGISTRATION creates split title by defiition... legal title and equitable title...

But it gets better... whose NAME is that property title registered in?... the REGISTERED NAME of course!...
What if the REGISTERED NAME itself is a property registered in the public with a General Registrar...
Consider the implications...

i.e. at the most basic level of observation and understanding you are the certificate holder of a REGISTERED NAME (think... like a corporation) that has registered property in the public... split title - legal title/equitable for the patent ... registered to a corporation that has a legal title/ equitable title due to it's registration...

the certificate you hold is also an imperfect legal title... because you have never formally done a process of perfecting it... (i.e. essentially accepting it for value) ... thus it is considered abandoned... (if you look up the definition of birth in Anderson's Legal Dictionary 1889, it will say... "see ABANDON"... o.O!

Point is, and to keep things simple for people who refuse to educate themselves in the facts of reality that govern this planet... you have created a trust system that allows third parties to use, manage, control, securitize and a whole host of other actions on the property you have registered...

The moral of the story is that the system is what the system is... if you want to get control of that property, and you have the absolute right to do so... you have to do it, according to the same system that allowed another to gain access and control because of your original abandonment of this system in the first place... (whether it is through no fault of your own, or otherwise...)

Control of any property registered ultimately allows the holder of a perfected equitable title (...like a Birth Certificate for example...) to take absolute control understanding and expressing the trust...

the concept of Registration goes back to Roman times and beyond I'm sure... it's in the Nativity Story... (i.e. the AKJV, 1611)