Mass shooting at Orlando Gay Nightclub and the James Wesley Howell's case [Archive]

KiwiElf

12th June 2016, 10:33

Suspect in mass shooting at Florida gay club is dead, police say

By Faith Karimi, John Couwels and Joe Sutton, CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/orlando-nightclub-shooting/

Updated 1018 GMT (1818 HKT) June 12, 2016
Source: CNN
Orlando, Florida (CNN)

The suspect in the Pulse nightclub shooting in Florida is dead, Orlando Police said. Authorities described the shooting as a "mass casualty situation."

Gunfire erupted at a gay nightclub in Orlando early Sunday, with multiple injuries reported, Florida authorities said.

"Everyone get out of Pulse and keep running," the club posted on its Facebook page about 2 a.m. ET.

Orlando police warned residents to stay away from the area, and urged people not to call their offices. They declined to provide the number of casualties, saying details will be available later.

"This is a fluid scene and we are working on getting you an update," police said.
'Just bang, bang, bang!'

Pulse describes itself as "the hottest gay bar" in the heart of Orlando.
Hours before the shooting, the club urged partygoers to attend its "Latin flavor" event Saturday night.

Jovial, well-dressed crowds heeded the call in an event that turned into a nightmare.
"It was just, bang, bang, bang!" partygoer Christopher Hansen said of the gunfire.
Ricardo Negron Almodovar said he was in the club when the shooting started about 2 a.m. He barely escaped.

"People on the dance floor and bar got down on the floor and some of us who were near the bar and back exit managed to go out through the outdoor area and just ran," he posted on the club's Facebook page.

"I am safely home and hoping everyone gets home safely as well."

Anthony Torres, who was at the club with friends, said he heard shots as he hurriedly drove off.

"The shots did not sound like a regular handgun, it sounded like it was shooting repetitively and it wouldn't stop," he said.

"So we knew what it was and we left there pretty quick. It was over 70 cop cars that were arriving there ... It happened so quick that people got separated from each other."
Tearful relatives waited outside the club as police cars blinked in the background. Some implored the media to help them get word on their loved ones.

' I saw just a lot of people screaming'

The gunshots echoed beyond the club.

Jose Torres was clocking in to work at the Dunkin' Donuts across the street when he heard them.

"It was something that I never heard before," Torres said. "I had to run inside the store, and I saw just a lot of people screaming, crying. Just screaming and coming out running like crazy."

Torres said he ducked into the Dunkin' Donuts and called 911 as several people dashed out of the club, bleeding. Police and SWAT teams rushed to the scene.
"They don't let nobody in or out," he said. "The SWAT team is inside there."
FBI agents were also assisting at the scene, agency spokeswoman Amy Pittman said.
Authorities have conducted a controlled explosion near the nightclub, according to Orlando Police.

Tom Fuentes, a CNN law enforcement analyst, said controlled explosions are used to breach a door or when a subject is barricaded in a room and police want to use a stun grenade to temporarily freeze their central nervous system.

Hospitals on lockdown
Authorities urged caution as police officers hovered nearby with weapons and dogs.
A few miles away, the Orlando Regional Medical Center was placed on lockdown, the hospital said in a statement. Only essential workers are being allowed access into the building.

Arnold Palmer Hospital and Winnie Palmer Hospital are also on lockdown out of an abundance of caution, officials said.

CNN's John Couwels reported from Orlando, and Faith Karimi reported and wrote from Atlanta. CNN's Vivian Kuo and Deborah Bloom contributed to this report

MorningSong

12th June 2016, 11:30

Good grief! Another shooting in Orlando!?! Does this have anything to do with this other disgrace? What in the world is going on??

Singer shot to death in Orlando as chaos spreads

http://www.trunews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/r-1008.jpeg

Christina Grimmie, a rising singing star who gained fame as a YouTube sensation and a contestant on television’s “The Voice,” was shot dead while signing autographs for fans after a concert in Orlando, police said on Saturday.

Grimmie, 22, was greeting fans along with members of the band Before You Exit after a performance on Friday at the Plaza Live music venue when a gunman approached and opened fire shortly before 10:30 p.m., police said.

The unnamed suspect, whose motive was not immediately known, shot himself and died at the scene after Grimmie’s brother Mark tackled him, preventing injury to others, the Orlando Police Department said in a statement.

The singer was taken to a local hospital in critical condition and died from her injuries early on Saturday morning.

“Christina was a talented young artist and we know that her fans and supporters want as much information as possible,” the police statement said. “We will continue to update as the investigation unfolds.”

A New Jersey native, Grimmie first drew attention several years ago for her YouTube videos featuring covers of pop songs. In 2014, she placed third on the “The Voice,” a singing competition on NBC, with Maroon 5 lead singer Adam Levine as her coach.

Fans took to social media to pay tribute to the singer, using the hashtag #RIPChristina.

“There are no words,” said “The Voice” in a Twitter post early on Saturday. “We lost a beautiful soul with an amazing voice.”

http://www.trunews.com/singer-shot-to-death-in-orlando-as-chaos-spreads/

World | Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:16am EDT
Related: U.S., Entertainment, Music, People
'Voice' singer Christina Grimmie fatally shot after Florida show
By Joseph Ax

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting-idUSKCN0YX046

KiwiElf

12th June 2016, 11:59

Quite possibly - 20+ dead and at least 42 injured - police are calling it a "terrorist attack"

More info here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/36510272

WhiteLove

12th June 2016, 12:02

WhiteLove

12th June 2016, 12:06

Wind

12th June 2016, 12:15

Whenever these awful things occur, I wonder which ones are truly caused by some lone nut gunman and which are orchestrated events. The government(s) seem to call almost all gun related mass shootings terrorist attacks these days as if it would somehow fit their agenda. Whatever that may be besides spreading fear and wanting to control people.

ozmirage

12th June 2016, 12:36

This is the result of access to weapons, when it snaps it's a disaster.

Guns should be illegal for all, but the military should de-weaponize first. De-weaponization should happen from big guns to small guns, in that order.

Actually, this is the result of LACK OF WEAPONS - and it was a disaster.
If the audience were armed, the shooter would not have had a target rich environment. Most likely, he would not have even risked attacking.

Being disarmed only empowers the ruthless predators, armed or not, who prey upon the weak.

Don't be afraid of weapons. Learn to use them so you may defend yourself and others.

Carmody

12th June 2016, 13:04

giovonni

12th June 2016, 13:42

Now this one really smells fishy ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By9GnvzIgAAXj0E.jpg

bluestflame

12th June 2016, 13:55

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/waves-add.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=920

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/denver-airport-6.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=920

from here http://thechive.com/2012/03/08/something-is-rotten-in-the-denver-airport-25-photos/

mgray

12th June 2016, 15:14

RIP to all.

KiwiElf

12th June 2016, 15:16

MSM now reporting 50 dead & 53 injured - worst mass shooting in US History

robinr1

12th June 2016, 15:34

great post

This is the result of access to weapons, when it snaps it's a disaster.

Guns should be illegal for all, but the military should de-weaponize first. De-weaponization should happen from big guns to small guns, in that order.

Actually, this is the result of LACK OF WEAPONS - and it was a disaster.
If the audience were armed, the shooter would not have had a target rich environment. Most likely, he would not have even risked attacking.

Being disarmed only empowers the ruthless predators, armed or not, who prey upon the weak.

Don't be afraid of weapons. Learn to use them so you may defend yourself and others.

KiwiElf

12th June 2016, 15:37

VT's take on it...

Mass shooting in Orlando gay nightclub: About 20 dead, 42 injured, ‘act of domestic terrorism’

By Ian Greenhalgh on June 12, 2016

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/12/mass-shooting-in-orlando-gay-nightclub-about-20-dead-42-injured-act-of-domestic-terrorism/

Young Afghan-American Moslem slaughters gays in Florida, it all sounds like it was designed to inflame feelings against Islam, oh how predictable

pulse-orlando-shooting

This tragic incident has several hallmarks of being a false flag attack; the shooter being a young Muslim, the FBI ‘checking’ to see if he has links with extremists, the shooter already dead and unable to answer any questions. It’s all too familiar. The fact it was a gay club may also be significant, given the current hoo-hah in the US political arena over LGBT issues.

Since the initial reports, the shooter has been identified as US citizen Omar Mateen from Florida. 300x300

The suspect behind the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando, which left dozens dead and injured, has been identified as Omar Mateen, the CBS network reported, citing sources. The channel added that the FBI is currently checking if he was linked to extremists.

A correspondent from the WFTV channel said Mateen was 27 years old and was from Port St. Lucie in Florida, nearly 150km from Orlando.

According to reports on social media, he was born to Afghan parents.

Quite frankly, this is almost certainly an event designed to provoke further anti-Islamic feeling in the US and judging by the sort of stupid, ill-informed and hate-filled commentary that is already appearing on various websites reporting on this story, it is an easy sell. This comment, the byline to an article on the shooting is sadly typical of the nonsense flooding the interwebs:

His level of preparation indicates an intention to demonstrate his profound devotion to Allah during Ramadan.

Since when was Ramadan about killing people? How is committing murder showing devotion to Allah? This is just ludicrous nonsense written by someone who is either completely ignorant of Islam or is willfully telling nefarious lies in order to demonise Islam and Moslems.

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Russia Today
Mass shooting in Orlando gay nightclub: About 20 dead, 42 injured, ‘act of domestic terrorism’

A mass shooting has taken place in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida. About 20 people have been killed and at least 42 taken to hospitals, police said, adding that a SWAT team killed the shooter.

The incident took place at the Pulse nightclub.

“This can be classified as a domestic terror incident,” Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said.

“Approximately” 20 people were killed and at least 42 people have been taken to local hospitals, Orlando Sheriff John Mina said at a press conference, adding that the shooter was wearing some “type of device.”

Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer added that “many lives were lost.”

Nearly 320 people were inside the nightclub at the time of the shooting.

Police said on Twitter that the shooter inside the nightclub is dead. The sheriff also confirmed the attacker was killed by a SWAT team. He was armed with an assault rifle and a handgun, officials said.

The Orange County sheriff called the nightclub shooting an “act of domestic terrorism.”

“At this time we’re looking at all angles right now,” an FBI official said.

He was asked if the shooter might have possible connections with extremists. “We do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings towards that particular ideology [extremism]. But right now we can’t say definitively so we’re still running everything around,” he added.

Twitter users said they heard multiple gunshots in the area.

One more witness, Brett Moots, told the New York Daily News that he saw people “being taken away with bullet wounds [to] their arms and abdomen.”

According to a reporter from the Orlando News, the shooter was wearing a bomb.

Pulse nightclub wrote on Facebook: “Everyone get out of Pulse and keep running.”

People took to Facebook to share information on the shooting. Under the Pulse club post they wrote that the attacker had an assault rifle and was barricaded inside with hostages.

Javer Antonetti, who went to the club with his brother, told Orlando News that he heard many shots. He managed to escape, but his brother, who was on crutches, remained in the building. “I’m not going anywhere,” he said. “Police told me he’s safe but he’s still stuck back there.”

“Everyone was getting on the floor,” another witness, Rosie Feba added. “I thought it was just part of the music, until I saw fire coming out of his gun.”

Wind

12th June 2016, 15:38

MSM now reporting 50 dead & 53 injured - worst mass shooting in US History

So this rivals the Paris attack then... I assume msm will bring out the alleged connections to ISIS soon.

Bob

12th June 2016, 15:38

Dash

12th June 2016, 15:43

Almost without exception, the one common theme with all of these shootings is that they are on strong anti-depressants.

ghostrider

12th June 2016, 15:45

The real problem is the way human beings think , of you don't believe like me , I must kill you to rid the world of evil mentality... Religion enslaves so many to a life of suffering... The so called spiritual people think killing,war. Death, destruction, suffering is spiritual... Nope fruits of the spirit are love, peace kindness patience, longsuffering. Temperance. Meekness freedom, understanding ... The religious leaders have corrupted the thinking patterns of the masses... its not a gun issue, for a person determined to do evil will use any tool available... the answer is earth humans learning the true past concerning Muhammad and Immanuel and the sons of heaven, who they really were and their message of peace, love, harmony and freedom, its always corrupted by evil men to control other men who thirst for power and might, that mentality keeps re-incarnating here on earth, its up to us together to evolve above that madness, move beyond old thinking patterns and allow the man in the mirror to be responsible for himself, and not follow evil powers...

Carmody

12th June 2016, 15:49

Wind

12th June 2016, 15:55

All that surveillance in there and yet they couldn't have stopped even this attack. People are being played like a damn fiddle. It's not just the religions nor the insane culture, there are also hidden powers at play. News like these will be bombarded to our consciousness and then some things like Hillary's email & Benghazi scandal won't get as much attention as they should. They know exactly how psychology works and use it to their advantage with the help of the mainstream media. These things have been happening for years if not decades now and it's sickening. People are being lied to and their consciousness and attention is being directed to a certain direction, it's like a mind virus.

I'm not saying this couldn't be a real genuine extremist attack, but I always have my suspicions about these things.

TrumanCash

12th June 2016, 16:00

ABC "News" headlines: 50 Dead in Florida Nightclub Shooting, Worst in US History (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/orlando-police-multiple-injuries-nightclub-shooting-39789613)

Really? The "worst in US history"?

How about the Waco massacre (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/waco-siege-20-years-on-1838748) wherein 76 people were horribly murdered including two pregnant women and 20 children burned alive by the US "government"?

How about the Wounded Knee (http://www.britannica.com/place/Wounded-Knee) massacre wherein over 200 Sioux men, women and children were murdered by the US military?

How about the "911 inside job" attack by US military "intelligence" that killed nearly 3,000 people in the NY trade towers ?

Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum.....

So who are the worst terrorists?

Could it be that the answer is the Washington District of Columbia Psychopaths?

Bob

12th June 2016, 16:02

What I'm surprised by, is that Florida is a "concealed carry" state (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Florida), and that there was not a small group of armed employees or whatnot, at the club itself. For instance, kitchen staff or DJ's, office people, and so on, with immediate access. A club of any nature..in a concealed carry state... makes such thinking and planning a norm, prudent, and I daresay... obvious.

It could be PULSE club policy to not allow any weapons what-so-ever. Not for employees, not for guests.. Makes no sense considering..

@Bob: Apparently the shooter was a LICENSED registered Security Agent. Authorized to have assault weapons, probably legally as part of his "job"..

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/florida-authorities-say-multiple-people-have-been-shot-at-orlando-nightclub.html

The gunman was identified as Omar Mateen

A licensed security officer, Mateen also had a Statewide Firearms "G" (special) License
Had people been armed (Florida does allow private handguns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Florida)), someone may have been able to stop Mateen before he killed and injured so many people.

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/screen-shot-2016-06-12-at-3-27-18-am.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all

ghostrider

12th June 2016, 16:02

When anywhere in lage groups of people, a person should be on guard for evil , have a plan, instead of panic, move into action, for large groups of people that are not muslims ar always targets for radical Islam and those who believe along those lines... one armed person in that club and the only dead person would be the evil person hell bent on making others suffer ...

bluestflame

12th June 2016, 16:08

Carmody

12th June 2016, 16:11

Of course, the meme pushed is that this sort of thing happens only now, and it's all terrorism. Which the Bath School disaster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster)shows as not being true, at all.

Bob

12th June 2016, 16:13

Apparently the shooter was a LICENSED registered Security Agent. Authorized to have assault weapons, probably legally as part of his "job"..

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/florida-authorities-say-multiple-people-have-been-shot-at-orlando-nightclub.html

The gunman was identified as Omar Mateen

A licensed security officer, Mateen also had a Statewide Firearms License

Had people been armed (Florida does allow private handguns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Florida)), someone may have been able to stop Mateen before he killed and injured so many people.

perhaps a hint of the next installment of the agenda of gun control , taking some types of guns off the menu , then phase two , next "event"

Along that line 3 days earlier, http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/09/court-no-right-to-carry-concealed-weapons-in-public.html US Supreme Court said YOU HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, to have a concealed handgun.. In other words, you have NO rights to protect yourself against any armed thugs threatening your life, what-so-ever..

==update==

JUST emphasizing - this guy was a LICENSED BACKGROUND CHECKED INDIVIDUAL - this is not a matter of some guy buying an assault weapon at some gun show.. This guy was a security agent, registered legally to be a weapons holder, (and user).

==update 2==

A COP was at the club and did exchange gunfire with the assaulter - unknown if the officer was on-duty or off-duty, (0202 am local), but the hostage standoff resulted in a 3 hour wait time before S.W.A.T. broke in to kill Mateen.

==update 3==

Mateen was on the FBI radar.. But what is not clear is was he on the radar because the company that he worked for GUARDS major US government buildings.

Are we seeing a "sleeper" who had a button pressed? Democrats are calling for more gun controls however the point here is, this GUY was a legal authorized security agent, allowed to buy, carry, and use weapons.

If it isn't a "gun control issue", maybe it is more of a "sleeper" who was triggered into acting prematurely? (i.e. programming, trance induction, etc.)

Just asking.. thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69qO-WOIvjg

==update 4==

Just in 911 call received, originated (allegedly) by the shooter, Mateen, was that he called 911 and claimed allegiance to I.S.I.S, for his attack.

Audio has not been released, yet, part of the on-going investigation. Discussion is "on-going" was /did he (was he sleeper), acting on behalf of I.S.I.S. or was he acting independently, having prematurely started shooting.

3(C)+me

12th June 2016, 16:32

I think another round of a call for gun control by the government will be coming soon to Msm. Bring out the crying relatives.

6pounder

12th June 2016, 17:08

I think that the quick response of the police to the shooting (70 police cars), is what gives in the idea that this whole act was orcastraded by the government. For what reasons? Possibly anything that the government gets something from it... If it's gun control then that's one point if it's hatred against Islam then it's another point, you name it but no doubt that another massecar in Orlando will not sild like a random shooting.

Snoweagle

12th June 2016, 17:40

This absolutely demands every adult male in the USA now carry side arms. I personally absolutely support those advocating gun ownership.

This event in my opinion is just another managed slaughter.

THREE HOURS before the SWAT team went to work! Are you kidding! The gunman could have died of old age and starvation by the time those good 'ol boys came to the rescue. Pathetic.

Apparently, the security services were warned three days prior to this event that something was going to happen.

The power of the USA no longer resides in Washington, which of itself is a foreign territory but in Europe and Israel.

I will never accept this man worked alone. I am already convinced that once this investigation starts digging, we will see the fingers pointing once again at one salacious group masquerading as friends and benevolent partners.

I also believe there is a coups d'état taking place before the eyes of Americans and they are blind to it. You are not alone as the same is true here in Europe.

giovonni

12th June 2016, 17:44

This seemly unemotional scripted public safety response seals it all for me ...
Behind it all is the unseen Homeland Security mechanism in action ...

Orlando Police News Conference on Pulse Club Mass Shooting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST-uiimF8O0

Backstory

"Orlando Police Chief John Mina said the attack began at 02:00 (06:00 GMT) and a police officer on duty at the club exchanged gunfire with the gunman. The attacker then entered the club and a "hostage situation" unfolded, he said.

Chief Mina said a decision was taken at 05:00 to send a police assault team into the club after receiving texts and phone calls from some of the hostages. "Our SWAT officers exchanged gunfire with the suspect, the suspect is dead," he said. "He appeared to be carrying an assault-type rifle and a handgun, and had some type of device on him."

An FBI spokesman said they were investigating whether the attacker was a "lone wolf". He said the attacker appeared to "have leanings towards" radical Islamist ideology but it was not yet clear whether this was a case of domestic or international terrorism.

At least 20 bodies have been found in the club itself, and some 42 people have been taken to hospital to be treated for their injuries, Chief Mina said. A clubber earlier described a situation of chaos outside as the number of casualties became apparent.

"There were just bodies everywhere," Christopher Hansen said. "In the parking lot, they were tagging them - red, yellow - so they knew who to help first and who not help first. Pants down, shirts cut off, they had to find the bullets. Just blood everywhere." Some of the injured were reportedly brought to the Orlando Regional Medical Center in police pick-ups.

More than 100 people were reported to have been enjoying the end of a Latin-themed night in the club, which calls itself the hottest gay bar in the city, when the attack began. "We heard rapid fire go off. In the room I was in, people went down to the floor. I wasn't able to see the shooter or people get hurt," Ricardo Negron Almodovar told BBC News. "At some point, there was a brief pause, and a group of us got up and went to the exit that leads to the patio area outside. We found an exit and after that... I just ran."

According to the Mass Shooting Tracker, the US last year suffered 372 mass shootings, defined as a single incident that kills or injures four or more people. Some 475 people were killed and 1,870 wounded.

The latest incident came as Orlando was still reeling from the fatal shooting on Friday night of 22-year-old singer Christina Grimmie following a concert in the city. She had been signing autographs when she was shot by 26-year-old Kevin James Loibl, who then killed himself. It is not clear what Loibl's motive was."

giovonni

12th June 2016, 18:11

Continuing ...

'A State Of Emergency'

Orlando gay club shooting: What we know about Omar Mateen - BBC News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4_PS2RBvMs

6pounder

12th June 2016, 18:15

Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.

Bob

12th June 2016, 18:42

"Sleepers being activated?" or copycat?

LA -

West Los Angeles, California - a suspect arrested headed to Gay Pride. Explosive materials, assault weapons found in the vehicle.

http://www.trbimg.com/img-575dadb2/turbine/la-1465757283-snap-photo/900/900x506

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/man-headed-gay-pride-parade-la-arrested-weapons-bo/nrfHG/

the man was arrested after the Santa Monica Police department received a call of a prowler. When officers found the man and searched his car, they discovered the weapons and explosives.

The man allegedly told police he was trying to find a friend and the two were going to the LA! Pride Music Festival and Parade in West Hollywood.

According to police, tannerite, an ingredient used in bomb making, was found in the car. The car had Indiana license plates.

http://chanlo.com/images/la-2.jpg

Pres. Obama calls it (Orlando Shooting), "an act of terror".
Note: official designation of "act of terror" enables FBI legally to be the lead agency to investigate and act accordingly. (link (https://www.fbi.gov/albuquerque/about-us/what-we-investigate))

US Homeland security officials, cancelled their trip to China, headed back to DC. (Jeh Johnson director - statement (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/06/12/statement-secretary-johnson-orlando-florida-attack))

Islamic State news agency, says they are responsible for the attack. Sen Bill Nelson (D) Florida just reported it on nationwide news.

RT - https://www.rt.com/news/346390-isis-claims-orlando-shooting/

Amaq News, a Syrian news agency with close ties to the Islamic State, says the group is responsible for the attack on an Orlando gay club, which has killed 50 people, and left 53 injured.

Orlando Sheriff says, "act of terror" committed against our Nation. 15:13 local time Orlando news conference.

FBI - "can't comment on the Orlando attack if there were others involved locally or elsewhere in the US" (live news conference in Orlando).

Satori

12th June 2016, 19:40

Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.

Quite to the contrary. I can't prove it, and none of us can, but this has all the markings of Killary and Billary Clinton and their handlers. This tragic event builds on the divide and conquer and keep divided and conquered "wedge issues" they create; such as gay v straight, Muslim v Jewish/Christian, demopublican v republicrat, right v left, gun rights v gun control, Second Amend v repeal Second Amend, etc.... Problem-reaction-solution. This has the Bush/Clinton crime family and neocon collectivists/fascists' finger prints all over it. They have no allegiance to the USA or any other country. Their common goal at this time is to destroy the USA by any means they deem necessary.

P.S. The MSM has lost no time demonizing Trump as being insensitive to the event because so far, they say, he has only tweeted some preliminary statements. Whereas Killary and sandbag Sanders have given formal statements, following Obama-the- usurper's prepared statement today, and repeating the call to clamp down on gun ownership.

LivioRazlo

12th June 2016, 19:57

This tragedy was not trending on Facebook until I called them out on Twitter with screenshots I had taken:

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bettye198

12th June 2016, 20:22

Nothing at all surprises me as the agenda to confiscate guns from the citizens continues.
Terror and the fuel from terror - that emotion feeds the darkness on this planet by those in control of the agenda.

It is nothing for them to have sacrificial lambs. Gay, straight, children, heroes. Doesn't seem to matter. The angelic singer Christina Grimmie was a sacrifice. She had a future ripped from her.

Here is one more video sent to me via email from a friend on this wave:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/11/planet-earth-now-under-siege-by-very-dark-forces/

DNA

12th June 2016, 20:29

This is the result of access to weapons, when it snaps it's a disaster.

Guns should be illegal for all, but the military should de-weaponize first. De-weaponization should happen from big guns to small guns, in that order.

And this is exactly the response you have been programmed to spit forth.

Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.

Quite to the contrary. I can't prove it, and none of us can, but this has all the markings of Killary and Billary Clinton and their handlers. This tragic event builds on the divide and conquer and keep divided and conquered "wedge issues" they create; such as gay v straight, Muslim v Jewish/Christian, demopublican v republicrat, right v left, gun rights v gun control, Second Amend v repeal Second Amend, etc.... Problem-reaction-solution. This has the Bush/Clinton crime family and neocon collectivists/fascists' finger prints all over it. They have no allegiance to the USA or any other country. Their common goal at this time is to destroy the USA by any means they deem necessary.

P.S. The MSM has lost no time demonizing Trump as being insensitive to the event because so far, they say, he has only tweeted some preliminary statements. Whereas Killary and sandbag Sanders have given formal statements, following Obama-the- usurper's prepared statement today, and repeating the call to clamp down on gun ownership.

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more.

Cidersomerset

12th June 2016, 20:41

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.18.3/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Orlando nightclub shooting: How the attack unfolded

38 minutes ago

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/BC11/production/_89954184_us_shootings_comparisons_624gr-2.png

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36511778

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Call me a cynic..... I obviously feel sorrow and grief for the innocent victims,
but something smells a rat as usual.....Perfect timing to get those armchair
'sheeple' who do not follow the mainstream or alternate news , but will be
'psyoped' as they watch the 'luvies' get their awards.....

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Tony Awards show dedicated to Orlando victims

After the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history, the show must go on.

The Tony Awards, which honor the best plays and musicals on Broadway,
are airing as scheduled Sunday night. The show's account tweeted Sunday
morning that the ceremony will be dedicated to the victims of the Orlando
shooting, which took place at a gay nightclub during Pride Week Sunday morning.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2016/06/12/tony-awards-dedicated-orlando/85789946/

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Who was the gunman?

Omar MateenImage copyright CBS
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Officials have named the suspect as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old from Fort Pierce,
a city about two hours drive south of Orlando, in St Lucie County.

An FBI spokesman said the gunman phoned emergency services before the attack
and pledged allegiance to Islamic State group.

The group has called him an IS "fighter" but no links between him and them have
been confirmed.

Police departments across the country are increasing patrols near locations
frequented by the LGBT community.

In Los Angeles, an armed man was arrested by Santa Monica police as he headed
to the LA Pride event.

Mr Mateen's father told NBC News his son became very angry when he saw two
men kissing recently in Miami.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36511778

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Bob

12th June 2016, 20:44

Key talking heads "on the Hill" had been starting to spin when the big questions were asked, the guy was a LICENSED registered security agent, registered within Florida's statutes.

The talking heads are saying anyone could go out and legally buy an assault weapon (therefore MORE gun controls are needed). That's not the point that's the SPIN to detract from this person Mateen was cleared. And he was also then authorized with a separate license to have various weapons.

From the Florida Statutes (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0400-0499/0493/0493.html):

493.6100 Legislative intent.—The Legislature recognizes that the private security, investigative, and recovery industries are rapidly expanding fields
that require regulation to ensure that the interests of the public will be adequately served and protected.

The Legislature recognizes that untrained persons, unlicensed persons or businesses, or persons who are not of good moral character
engaged in the private security, investigative, and recovery industries are a threat to the welfare of the public if placed in positions of trust.

Regulation of licensed and unlicensed persons and businesses engaged in these fields is therefore deemed necessary.

"(7) “Good moral character” means a personal history of honesty, fairness, and respect for the rights and property of others and for the laws of this state and nation."

hmm..

Was the perp "crazy" ? According to the state of Florida LAW, apparently, not:

(12) The department may issue a temporary Class “G” license, on a case-by-case basis, if:

(a) The agency or employer has certified that the applicant has been determined to be mentally and emotionally stable by either:

1. A validated written psychological test taken within the previous 12-month period.

2. An evaluation by a psychiatrist or psychologist licensed in this state or by the Federal Government made within the previous 12-month period.

3. Presentation of a DD form 214, issued within the previous 12-month period, which establishes the absence of emotional or mental instability at the time of discharge from military service.

Who then signed off on Mateen?

License ISSUED - in good standing
https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/access/individual.aspx?TYPE=INDIVIDUAL&CATEGORY=&COUNTY=00&LICENSE=G%202704169&STATUS=IND_DETAIL

http://chanlo.com/images/g-license.jpg

FBI investigating Mateen in 2013 and 2014, but not considered a 'threat' - were there reports forwarded to Florida's licensing agency?

KiwiElf

12th June 2016, 20:47

Convenient "Manchurian Candidate"? (as is possible for many other "lone gunmen")

Bill Ryan

12th June 2016, 20:58

The content presented below was posted to http://www.provemewrong.today (http://www.provemewrong.today/)

Summer 2016 - Multiple terrorist attacks against the West occur after initial attacks transpire in the Middle East during Ramadan against Israeli (http://debka.com/article/25467/4-dead-in-a-shooting-attack-in-Tel-Aviv) and Western personnel/assets (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2016/0606/Why-Jordan-intelligence-hub-on-ISIS-took-a-rare-hit-Monday-video), expanding predominantly to Europe and the United States as the summer progressed. These attacks result in a handful to dozens of people killed in each attack on both sides of the pond.

Well, so far, 4 days later, spot on. (And I wish I was not writing that.)

6pounder

12th June 2016, 21:13

Well in this case let's hope it's the end of it.

Cidersomerset

12th June 2016, 21:14

From Davids headline page.....
https://www.davidicke.com/headlines

Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub (Live Updates)

By David on 12 June 2016 GMT War and Terror

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cThjEEFT0w

A mass shooting has taken place in a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, resulting in multiple
deaths and injuries, police said, adding that the shooter was killed by a SWAT team. According
to officials, the incident can be classified as “a domestic terror incident.”’

Read more: Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub (Live Updates)

https://www.rt.com/usa/346325-orlando-shooting-pulse-nightclub/

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Omar Mateen: Five Fast Facts You Need to Know

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‘Mateen has no known criminal history, according to CBS News.

But The Daily Beast, citing a senior law enforcement source, said Mateen was a person of interest
in law enforcement investigations in 2013 and 2014. The news website reports the FBI opened an
investigation into Mateen at some point, but closed it “when it produced nothing that appeared to
warrant further investigation.”

The source told The Daily Beast he’s a “known quantity” who has “been on the radar before.”

CNN reports that Mateen was a known ISIS sympathizer.’

Read more …

http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-mateen-pulse-orlando-florida-shooting-gunman-attack-name-photos-facebook-motive-terrorism/

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Orlando Nightclub Shooter, Omar Mateen, Was Investigated By FBI For Making Terrorist Threats In 2013 And 2014

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Snookie

12th June 2016, 21:26

Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.

Also helps deflect interest in Hillary's email/server/corruption issues as well.

Bob

12th June 2016, 21:36

Mateen worked for G4S (massively large global security group) - G4S plc is a British multinational security services company headquartered in central London.

It is the world's largest security company measured by revenues and has operations in around 125 countries.

Mateen was hired in 2007.

http://www.g4s.us/en-US/Who%20we%20are/History/

2002
Group 4 Falck purchases The Wackenhut Corporation. Founded in Florida in 1954, The Wackenhut Corporation was the second-largest security services company in the United States at the time.

Remember the CAMO-DUDES at Area-51?

2010
The Wackenhut Corporation rebrands to become G4S Secure Solutions (USA) Inc.

G4S acquires Western Investigations Pty Limited Australia, enhancing the global offerings of G4S Compliance & Investigations.

G4S acquires Nuclear Security Services Company (NSSC), which now sits within G4S Secure Integration.

dots.. more dots..

(G4S main headquarters is apparently not commenting on its Facebook and Twitter accounts) however

their Jupiter Florida office said this:

1:56 P.M. The global security firm G4S, with offices in Jupiter, has confirmed that Orlando shooter Omar Mateen has worked for the company since 2007. Statement from G4S:

“We are shocked and saddened by the tragic event that occurred at the Orlando nightclub. We can confirm that Omar Mateen had been employed with G4S since September 10, 2007. We are cooperating fully with all law enforcement authorities, including the FBI, as they conduct their investigation. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends, families and people affected by this unspeakable tragedy.”

Related: More about G4S (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/business/wackenhut-has-new-hq-new-id/nLqFL/) (Orlando News)

1:28 p.m.: State records show a man named Omar Mateen is licensed as a security guard and also holds a firearms license. G4S, a global security firm with an office in Jupiter, listed an employee named Omar Mateen in a newsletter posted online. The company has not responded to requests to confirm whether its employee is the Orlando shooter.

G4S office, Florida -

G4S' clients range from NASA and nuclear plants to gated communities. Guards make $10 to $20 an hour, depending on their experience and where in the country they work.

The 225 employees at G4S (Florida's Office) headquarters moved into the new building in Jupiter last week.

In 2002, Danish security firm Group 4 Falck bought Wackenhut Corp., and in 2004 Group 4 Falck and Securicor combined to create G4S. The Wackenhut name survived until this month..

Mateen - brief background

Mateen was born in New York.

Prior to getting his job with G4S global security, In 2006 he changed his name from
Omar Mir Seddique
to Omar Mir Seddigue Mateen, according to public records.

A registered Democrat, he voted in 2008 and again in 2014.

Previous FBI investigation (details summary):

In his first Facebook entry in December 2011, Moner Abu-salha posts video of Imam calling for death of homosexuals.

In 2015 FBI investigated connection between Abu-salha, who lived in Vero Beach, and Omar Mateen, the Orlando shooter. Mateen lived about 30 minutes south of Abu-salha - the first American suicide bomber in Syria.

The Vero Beach bomber tied to Mateen posted anti-gay video on Facebook.

After Moner Abu-salha became the first American suicide bomber in Syria, the FBI investigated Omar Mateen’s connection to Abu-salha.

Abu-salha went to the Middle East, trained, and returned to the Treasure Coast (Florida), specifically Vero and fort Pierce, to recruit.

The FBI says he didn’t recruit anyone, but it’s possible he did have contact with Mateen.

Analyzing the NAME MATEEN

http://www.whyislam.org/god/names-and-attributes-of-allah/ (attributes of Allah)

Arabic Transliteration------------Translation-------------------------- Quranic Usage
54---------------------------------Al-Mateen "The Firm", The Steadfast------------------51:58

Cidersomerset

12th June 2016, 21:39

There are many agenda's the PTB would like to deflect the press
and the public from Syria to Hillary , but if IS was really independent
shootings like this would do nothing for PR. Unless you are not really
an independent freedom fighting group, just a puppet outfit.

I just saw this article and its amusing to see the 'brave' general
'Run Away' !

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Reporter Chases Bilderberger General Petraeus Through Streets of Dresden

By David on 12 June 2016 GMT Activism, Illuminati Criminals

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‘Infowars reporter Rob Dew chased Bilderberg member and former CIA director
General David Petraeus through the streets of Dresden, Germany today in an
attempt to ask the former CIA director a question about Hillary Clinton’s email scandal.

Petraeus left the Kempinski hotel for a jog in the afternoon and Dew was on hand
to quiz him. The dramatic footage shows Dew cut short an interview before pursuing
Petraeus on foot as police look on, making no attempt to stop the reporter.’

Read more: Reporter Chases Bilderberger General Petraeus Through Streets of Dresden

http://www.prisonplanet.com/video-reporter-chases-bilderberger-general-petraeus-through-streets-of-dresden.html

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Meanwhile these are complex events and although the puppet masters maybe
pulling the strings. Real groups get infiltrated and victims murdered . The
'troubles' in NI is one of hundreds of conflicts over the centuries and depending
which side you are on makes a massive difference and its the victors that
write history on the whole.

There have been many of these over the years only a very few get justice....

This was headline news a couple days ago in the UK.

Families hail finding of 'significant police collusion' in Loughinisland murders

Families of six Catholic men murdered by loyalist gunmen in a village pub have
hailed a damning watchdog investigation that exposed significant police collusion
with the killers.

http://home.bt.com/images/families-hail-finding-of-significant-police-collusion-in-loughinisland-murders-136406711686803901-160609194004.jpg

http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/families-hail-finding-of-significant-police-collusion-in-loughinisland-murders-11364067116912

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'PROBLEM REACTION SOLUTION' is very old in its various forms through out history...

Bill Ryan

12th June 2016, 22:19

Carmody

12th June 2016, 22:33

IMO, they'll use Hillary or trump, which ever shoe fits.

The most reasonable potential for good outcome, is if Trump asks Bernie Sanders to be his VP running mate.

VP's tend to get the foreign visit agenda in their court, so they are acting as the voice of the president in worldwide meetings, secret or otherwise, with world leaders.

I don't see it happening but it would put trump and Bernie both, in potent positions, as a guaranteed reality.

Ie, if one could convince both of them to try it, they would definitely achieve the offices of Prez and VP.

Falsification of the vote, in any form, could not stop them. They'd be too potent a force in the voting booth.

Snookie

12th June 2016, 22:34

Doesn't this also do a great job of taking focus off what's going on in Dresden Germany with the Bildebergers?

delfine

12th June 2016, 22:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYyrPHg_ag0

Carmody

12th June 2016, 22:42

Regarding the video above ^^^... we find that each of us tends to have their own pet theories, ideas and voices.

There is only one reason such a plethora of ideas on solutions can exist, and that is a total lack of a grasp on the true source of the issues. An incomplete story or data set will produce that plethora of different suggestions and ideas, that notable lack of coherence in found directions.

Which is exactly how the people behind the curtains, want it to be, so they can suggest and enact their own solutions. It's been this way since the dawn of collectivist human behaviour.

This is why I always say You need go straight for the man behind the curtain.

It's manipulation, plain and simple. On multiple levels.

Unless you go for the hidden aspects of the system, the hidden players, and make other people KNOW it is the hidden players in your own field, your OWN world, you will never get clear enough to have a direction of your own which is self directed and stable.

You. Must. Go. After. The. Hidden. Players. Nothing else matters. Everything else is wasted energy.

Bob

12th June 2016, 22:47

Why the name AL-MATEEN

The name says it, really - what's up.

Allah calls Himself Al-Mateen— The Firm, The Steadfast— once in the Quran. Al-Mateen is the One of whom in addition to His unconquerable power, His nature is to be firm. This combination of possession of the perfect strength and complete firmness of nature means no one can ever object to His actions or prevent His orders from being carried out!

Mateen comes from the root meem-taa-noon, which points to four main meanings. The first meaning is to be strong, firm, and hard. The second main meaning is to be solid or robust. The third to be steadfast, determined, and sure, and the fourth main meaning is to possess any quality to a strong degree. This root appears three times in the Quran in one derived form. An example of this form is mateenun (“ firm”).

Linguistically, mateen means something very strong and very stable; its foundation is unshakeable. Al-Qawiyy is the One who possesses the attribute of inexhaustible strength, whereas Al-Mateen is the One whose nature it is to be firm, steadfast, and determined. He is the One who can easily overcome anything through supreme firmness and strength of determination!

To have missed that name change is a very big RED FLAG.. http://39ob14fizh2twz7q24bxyr91.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/flag_status_red.gif

The name change was the statement.

(reference (http://understandquran.com/answer-al-mateen.html))

@Bob:

"Mateen - brief background

Mateen was born in New York.

Prior to getting his job with G4S global security,

In 2006 he changed his name from

Omar Mir Seddique

to Omar Mir Seddigue Mateen, according to public records."

What human being calls himself [I]formally a or "the" "Supreme Being" ?

One using a name/title so morally "right" that no one can challenge him?

Allah calls Himself Al-Mateen— The Firm, The Steadfast

Suicide bombers? Those programmed?

Next ask the question, BY WHOM?

Ask the question if Al-Mateen acted out, is that the marker, is that the keyword, the "signal" ?

Bill Ryan

12th June 2016, 23:00

.
Of interest, maybe (or at least amusement!), here's a copy of a Skype chat between myself and Paul just a few minutes ago.

Paul: Who do you think was delivering a message, and to whom, with that shooting?

Bill: No clear answers. Maybe we can debate it.
First, there’s a NWO program to shift to a higher gear after the Nov US election (whoever is elected, but my guess would be that they're preparing a Trump 'Plan B').
The Trump Plan B would be to wed increasing 'terror attacks' with Trump's strongly stated plans to come down hard in several different ways. Result, civil unrest or worse (maybe much worse).
I fear this may be the start of a wave that will build and build, with repeated, similar events, until Trump is elected. That may be deliberate to push him into power, if some decision's been made to go with him rather than Hillary. Half the population would be screaming at him, giving him a mandate to take whatever action was needed. But that's a pure personal wild guess. :)
If there's another one of these in the US in the next few weeks (and the follow-up would need to leave more fatalities, for maximum 'wave-building' effect), then I'd say that would go quite a long way to confirm the hypothesis.
If that's what's happening (IF), then the endgame would be to use Trump to precipitate some major conflict (domestic and/or foreign) that would help usher in the one-world government as the 'solution'.
If the goal is a one-world government, then the Russians would have to be in on the strategy, at the highest level.

Paul: It seems that you don't trust Trump (amongst many untrustworthy parties to this murderous chaos), while I in particular don't trust the Neocon-Nazi-Washington-New York complex (amongst many, of course)

Bill: :)

Paul: I figure Trump is being brought in to handle the bankruptcy of the Washington - New York political, military, intelligence, financial, monetary complex. No doubt others (other bastard insiders) are backing Trump, as part of taking down Wash/NY/...

Bill: I just think Trump would be used. He'd be pushed in the direction he wants to lean.

Paul: Yes - anyone who gets within a country mile of the Oval Office is usable - otherwise they'd be dead.

Bill: :)
My sense is that the elite behind the scenes are busy figuring out how they'd take advantage of him as president. Actually, that'd seem to be quite easy, even if he is making his own decisions. All they have to do is choreograph what's needed to get him to react.

Paul: If you want to turn a screw, you pick a screwdriver. If you want to pound a nail, you pick a hammer. Similarly the bastards in power pick and choose Presidential candidates, based on suitability for their upcoming roles.

Bill: In Trump's case, they may just be planning to choreograph events based on his personality (they didn't choose that, maybe, but they can sure use it).
Like a kid with toy soldiers, who has one in his right hand and another in his left. They'll manage it all, or try to, to best suit their ends.

Paul: Yes

Bill: What's really needed is for Trump to have been deceiving everyone all along, including his followers, and when elected he immediately unilaterally disarms. :)
(might happen in Hollywood, but probably not in Washington)

Paul: The Washington Neocons have been going too far, and they, along with some major Western Banks, the overreaching US Military and Intelligence agencies, the CIA orchestrated narcotics business, the Petro-Dollar (meaning US stealing Saudi oil profits), and associated rackets are going to be cut back ... to the shock and dismay of your average American, who is not expecting the US to become another Venezuala.
So disarmament is not needed so much, so long as the neocons aren't able to actually kill millions in an effort to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

Bill: Agreed

Paul: My summary of this posted yesterday still agrees with my hunches: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91134-Ken-at-RedefiningGod-anticipates-Euro-failure-in-June-July-2016&p=1074238&viewfull=1#post1074238

Bill: There was an interesting YT video the other day: 'The truth behind the FEMA camps'. It was actually compelling: that they're simply for the millions who'd be out of work, who'd lost their houses, and would be unable to feed themselves. Like in the early 30s. It kinda made sense.

Paul: Whether this plays out well for humanity, in the longer run, depends in good part on unseen forces, and on the impact of the increased human connectivity and awareness, such as facilitated by the Web.

Bill: Yes. Part of the strategy HAS to be to control/ limit/ police the web.

Paul: I can't tell at this point whether the other groups of Bastards in power, such as the Russian and Chinese leadership, are essentially just new "Crime Families", throwing out the older "Crime Families", or whether they are less evil. They could still be quite nasty, even if less evil ... that's an easy bar to pass.

Bill: Yes

Here's a question for you. Would a BREXIT Yes vote (which I predict will happen) crash the Euro? If so, that could topple a big chain of dominos.

Paul: There are several lynchpins in Europe - BRExit, banks in Italy and Spain, Deutsche Bank, Muslim immigrants, ...

Bill: Yep... it could all collapse in a big heap

Paul: I feel like I've gotten into a time machine, to watch crates of C4 explosive, thermite, mini-nukes, and mysterious energy devices being hauled into the WTC towers in the dead of night, night after night, in the fall of 2001

Bill: (laughing)
And military satellites being carefully steered into place, too

Bill: We should copy and paste this chat to the forum.
Maybe we could sell tickets

Paul: :)

Cidersomerset

12th June 2016, 23:07

Doesn't this also do a great job of taking focus off what's going on in Dresden Germany with the Bildebergers?

That was also the point I suppose to be making ...LOL

This is why I always say go straight for the man behind the curtain. It's manipulation, plain and simple. On multiple levels.

Exactly......

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Paul Watson is partially right imo ......There has always been a radical muslim problem

WTF? Crucifixion, Beheading, Stoning, Saudi Arabia and ISIS/ISIL have near-identical punishments!!

http://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/styles/wysiwyg_large/public/images/Punishments_FINAL-01.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85350-WTF-Crucifixion-Beheading-Stoning-Saudi-Arabia-and-ISIS-ISIL-have-near-identical-punishments--

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But there are also many more moderate ones who's voice often is ignored or drowned......

The London mayor elections mirrored the tensions of the Middle East as the two
main candidates were of muslim and Jewish descent , interesting sign of the times,
coincidence ? or stage managed for the current political climate ? .....

Sadiq Khan Mayor of London Elected First Speech

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Streamed live on 11 Jun 2016

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Its all spin and political BS , but in the end they all take orders.....

Donald Trump Challenges Muslim London Mayor To IQ Test

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Published on 16 May 2016

Republican nominee Donald Trump challenged London Mayor Sadiq Khan to an IQ
test after the Muslim mayor said Trump’s views on Islam were ignorant. Islamists
have carried out over 28,000 deadly attacks in the name of Allah since the 9-11
attacks on America. CNN reported: Donald Trump said Monday London’s new
mayor made “very rude statements” about him — and the presumptive Republican
presidential nominee warned he won’t have a good relationship with British Prime
Minister David Cameron if he’s elected. Trump made the comments in an interview
with ITV’s “Good Morning Britain” host Piers Morgan, when asked to respond to
criticisms made about him by British politicians… - …In December, Cameron labeled
the presidential hopeful’s suggestion of a temporary ban on Muslims traveling to
the U.S. as “divisive, stupid and wrong.”

Asked about Cameron’s remarks, Trump said he didn’t care, then added, “It looks
like we’re not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows, I hope to have a
good relationship with him but it sounds like he’s not willing to address the problem
either.” He continued: “Number one, I’m not stupid, okay? I can tell you that right
now. Just the opposite. Number two, in terms of divisive, I don’t think I’m a divisive
person, I’m a unifier, unlike our president now, I’m a unifier.” Trump also had
words for Sadiq Khan, who became the first Muslim to hold the office of Mayor of
London when he was elected this month. Shortly after taking office, Khan criticized
Trump’s views of Islam as ignorant — remarks that Trump said had offended him.
The new mayor had been responding to a suggestion from Trump that he would
make an “exception” to his proposed “temporary Muslim ban” for Khan. “Let’s take
an I.Q. test,” Trump said.

CNN: Donald Trump on London mayor: 'Very rude'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/16/politic...
Progressives Today: Hah! Donald Trump Challenges Muslim London Mayor to IQ Test
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/...

bluestflame

12th June 2016, 23:43

bloke being interviewed cut off as soon as he mentions doors being held shut from inside w8NEv1rvDFM

shaberon

12th June 2016, 23:51

cursichella1

12th June 2016, 23:57

From S.K. Bain:

Gay Terror: The Pink 9/11
Orlando: The latest from the Global Elite, a Luciferian MegaRitual
Link Article (https://themostdangerousblogintheworld.wordpress.com/2016/06/12/gay-terror-the-pink-911/)

Deega

13th June 2016, 00:09

Bob

13th June 2016, 00:10

So how much time will the Al-Mateen give us sinners?

Al-Mateen says: And I will give them time.

Indeed, My plan is firm [Quran, 68:45]. Allah ‘azza wajal says He lets people go free for a long time, as this is all part of His plan and according to His wisdom.

This way people can decide through different events to turn to the truth of Islam or not.

Some might disbelieve and oppose Islam for years and eventually find guidance.

Other times Al-Mateen gives the disbeliever a long time to live and the disbeliever carries on doing more evil, so he or she is punished more.

This also means that believers have the chance to get more reward and higher ranks in Paradise through their struggles and good deeds throughout the long period of time Al-Mateen gave them.

The plan of Allah is firm! (link (http://http://understandquran.com/answer-al-mateen.html))

If the fellow needed to change his name to show his "firmness", sure seems like that name change would have been on the radar, and some button pushing group could easily see him as a Sirhan-Sirhan (http://www.biography.com/people/sirhan-sirhan), or Oswald like patsy. If they could trust him to do the shooting, what level of programming did he receive? and by Whom?

His ex-wife said he had received training at a juvenile detention center, when he was changing. So that he could eventually become an agent for the security company. (not sure if 'agent' is the right word, but that is how it has been described.. the emphasis was he was needing to be some keeper of law.. a 'police officer'.) She emphasized how she was beaten and how he became "madder and madder". Was the programming done there? Are there more programmed? Is that the hidden connection, where "it" is happening?

Mateen's ex wife spoke that "he changed" dramatically, and had to separate, that he was severely disturbed, traumatized, and "mentally ill".. One should have been flagged by the psychiatrist who authorized his security license. Or was that part of the setup?

The name change to Mateen is very very definite as a statement. Quite possibly it could be indeed the keyword trigger for the "sleeper to awaken".. hmmm

The talking heads are spinning it already saying how could he be mentally ill?

Seems they have a different understanding what a "shooter/killer" is.

Carmody

13th June 2016, 00:21

It's 100 degrees here; Florida is not much colder. Hence, clothing is kind of minimal. Makes me wonder--how you would foist a rifle past the door man, unless you just shoot him first. It must have been pretty loud, since someone thought the shots were "part of the music" at first. So I guess you could shoot your way in and keep going; that part doesn't seem to be mentioned.

I'm not sure that a surname change would generally be a reason to revoke a license, or that SWAT not being on the scene immediately at 2 in the morning is incompetent.

Doors held shut from the _inside...?

http://www.firedoorsehgal.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/panic-bar.299153615_std.jpg

http://4.imimg.com/data4/NP/EN/MY-10123147/crash-bar-three-point-latching-for-double-leaf-door-250x250.jpg

safety doors are usually of this nature, or similar enough in design and operation, that there is no difference. They are required by law.

they can be blocked from use, ie, locked, by putting something behind the bar, so it cannot press downward or inward to the door surface..... Thereby holding the door in a locked and closed condition. A bottle of beer, small thermos, something like that, is enough to do it. Such a door mechanism is sometimes called a 'panic bar', or 'crash bar' as it is designed to open regardless, by simple body pressure of any kind.

Unless...of course...

This kind is more difficult to defeat, if it is properly designed.

http://www.door-hardware-genius.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Yale7100.jpg

One would have to insert a screwdriver on both sides, to defeat a properly built one. the best have no perceivable gap, so nothing can defeat them. But they are notably more expensive.

I went through this when working with a business partner, when revamping a building for a factory space. We did our due diligence and went for the best doorbars possible. The indefeatable types, where if it were done either accidentally or purposely, it had to be difficult, or impossible.

ozmirage

13th June 2016, 00:30

Attacks by Muslims should not be a surprise, folks.

ISLAM has been at war with America from the beginning.

“We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
- - - Thomas Jefferson, Letter from the commissioners (John Adams, Thomas Jefferson) to John Jay, 28 March 1786, in Thomas Jefferson Travels: Selected Writings, 1784-1789, by Anthony Brandt, pp. 104-105.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

(Digest version : We consider all mankind as our friends. Their response : It is their right and duty to make war upon all infidels, and make slaves of all they could take as prisoners.)

Is there an explanation for the treasonous public officials? It can’t be just partisan politics. Is it more likely that the politicians are in the pocket of rich Muslims, or have been blackmailed to accommodate their wishes?
Islam has been the enemy of America (and the world) from its beginning - saith Mohammad.
Does this mean every pro-Islamic politician has embraced America’s enemy for blood stained oil money or silence?

Carmody

13th June 2016, 00:38

The three main tribal (penis cutting) Abrahamic religions have all been nasty problem children since their inception.

Which is self explanatory, ie the reason for their inception.

bluekungfoo

13th June 2016, 00:58

So this is eerie for me being a FL native and living in the panhandle,

but what truly aggravates me is the following,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act The Patriot Act ( defined for those who don't know about it )

Agencies

C.I.A , N.S.A, F.B.I ,A.T.F and to me the worst is The Utah Data Center > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

What the hell are these agencies doing ? What the hell are they even being paid and funded for ? An if they can't stop the Boston Marathon Bombing, and now they can't stop one lone Islamic terrorist. What the hell can they stop ? Other than arresting those who don't pay taxes. The U.S government violates citizens privacy in so many forms that are noted plenty on this site and else where, supposedly monitoring everything they can, trigger words supposedly monitored, bomb, gun, president " supposedly are trigger words that get flagged some where and then investigated to some level to see if it is any kind of threat " . An yet these same agencies can not stop Islamic terrorists from entering this country and evidently they can not stop them from also acquiring legal or illegal weapons while in this country, BUT a convicted criminal is flagged and can not legally buy a weapon.... This terrorist is not some diabolical genius and neither were the brothers in the Boston Marathon bombing, ( listening to Faux News at the moment with Bill O Riely and some chump being interviewed is swearing up and down to not blame our intelligence agencies because they are not trying to subvert our country and are American loving patriots )...... The secret service can't prevent someone from flying a home made helicopter into unsecure areas or people from jumping the white house fence, and those are searchable on the net I don't feel the need to provide a reference link ..... so how the secret service is able to protect the president past or present is amazing, oh remember the couple that crashed the White house party one year too ! Amazing, regular citizens here are on this website are more of a threat to our respective governments that we lose our freedoms left n right , be it our privacy, or our right to own a fire arm being attacked and demanded that we give up, but the agencies we rely on for national security that have resources out the yang, fingers in ever pie imaginable to listen and etc.... and what good is it doing. At some point one has to admit failure which in this case will not happen, because why should it our politicians never admit failure nor accept responsibility for obvious failures , why should we expect anyone to be held accountable for the failure of these agencies. I don't believe the assassination of JFK to be mere luck of a lone wolf, and I do not believe that when Pearl Harbor was attacked that no one on this planet had a clue that the Japanese military fleet was on the move.

If these national security agencies want the trust and respect of the people they are supposed to serve, it might be in there interest to actually publish and report on actions that were taken to stop anyone from doing anything to the public, and releasing information with out compromising the integrity of these agencies can be done if they chose too. These agencies never do anything of the sort, and so it leads to distrust and lack of confidence and preserved as merely an arm of the government to control a population.

Mark (Star Mariner)

13th June 2016, 01:47

It's manipulation, plain and simple. On multiple levels.

You. Must. Go. After. The. Hidden. Players. Nothing else matters. Everything else is wasted energy.

This is why I always say You need go straight for the man behind the curtain.

Agree, and things might be different (collectively) if for instance large swathes of people knew there was a man behind the curtain.

Unfortunately they do not. Unfortunately, most people don't even know there's a curtain.

robinr1

13th June 2016, 02:11

just throwing this out there.. but the boston marathon bombing was a 100 percent hoax/ false flag.

So this is eerie for me being a FL native and living in the panhandle,

but what truly aggravates me is the following,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act The Patriot Act ( defined for those who don't know about it )

Agencies

C.I.A , N.S.A, F.B.I ,A.T.F and to me the worst is The Utah Data Center > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

What the hell are these agencies doing ? What the hell are they even being paid and funded for ? An if they can't stop the Boston Marathon Bombing, and now they can't stop one lone Islamic terrorist. What the hell can they stop ? Other than arresting those who don't pay taxes. The U.S government violates citizens privacy in so many forms that are noted plenty on this site and else where, supposedly monitoring everything they can, trigger words supposedly monitored, bomb, gun, president " supposedly are trigger words that get flagged some where and then investigated to some level to see if it is any kind of threat " . An yet these same agencies can not stop Islamic terrorists from entering this country and evidently they can not stop them from also acquiring legal or illegal weapons while in this country, BUT a convicted criminal is flagged and can not legally buy a weapon.... This terrorist is not some diabolical genius and neither were the brothers in the Boston Marathon bombing, ( listening to Faux News at the moment with Bill O Riely and some chump being interviewed is swearing up and down to not blame our intelligence agencies because they are not trying to subvert our country and are American loving patriots )...... The secret service can't prevent someone from flying a home made helicopter into unsecure areas or people from jumping the white house fence, and those are searchable on the net I don't feel the need to provide a reference link ..... so how the secret service is able to protect the president past or present is amazing, oh remember the couple that crashed the White house party one year too ! Amazing, regular citizens here are on this website are more of a threat to our respective governments that we lose our freedoms left n right , be it our privacy, or our right to own a fire arm being attacked and demanded that we give up, but the agencies we rely on for national security that have resources out the yang, fingers in ever pie imaginable to listen and etc.... and what good is it doing. At some point one has to admit failure which in this case will not happen, because why should it our politicians never admit failure nor accept responsibility for obvious failures , why should we expect anyone to be held accountable for the failure of these agencies. I don't believe the assassination of JFK to be mere luck of a lone wolf, and I do not believe that when Pearl Harbor was attacked that no one on this planet had a clue that the Japanese military fleet was on the move.

If these national security agencies want the trust and respect of the people they are supposed to serve, it might be in there interest to actually publish and report on actions that were taken to stop anyone from doing anything to the public, and releasing information with out compromising the integrity of these agencies can be done if they chose too. These agencies never do anything of the sort, and so it leads to distrust and lack of confidence and preserved as merely an arm of the government to control a population.

ghostrider

13th June 2016, 03:16

Already they are shouting gun control , they never consider a person hell bent on destruction and killing, can use a plane , a train, a car bomb, a virus, a suicide vest, a knife, a sword, an axe, a hammer, its not guns its any tool in the hands of a mind controlled religious fanatic , can create the same end result, fear and terror... the mainstream media is reporting the shooter was investigated by the FBI twice and was able to get a job as a security guard and purchase weapons ...

bluekungfoo

13th June 2016, 03:31

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-lone-wolf-attacks-are-almost-impossible-to-prevent-012346606.html

Utter Failure by the F.B.I as indicated by this article, the Author, titled this, Lone Wolf Attacks are almost impossible to prevent.

FBI agent Ron Hopper told reporters Sunday that Mateen had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013 when coworkers reported him for making “offensive” comments about islamic extremism.

After two interviews, Hopper said, agents could not prove that Mateen was connected to any terrorist groups. The FBI questioned him once more in 2014 about ties to a suicide bomber, but again let him go after determining that their “contact was minimal.”

Mateen’s ability to still carry out the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history despite this record highlights the uniquely impenetrable threat of “lone wolves.”

This is an utter garbage article based on what is stated, the FBI had knowledge about this person, since 2013, reported by coworkers/ with all these agencies already listed, this guy should have been monitored to the keystroke of his keyboard to every number dialed on his phone, and then the utter nerve to report that the FBI questioned this guy again in 2014 , to say that he had " minimal contact " with a suspected suicide bomber .... ? Really , and that isn't enough to say hey, deport or lock this guy up ? Here is a possible reason why one is not guilty by association

at least here in America,

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-binladen-driver-idUSBRE89F0YV20121016

This is in regards to Osama Bin Laden's driver, being not guilty by association , due to some bs that the courts decided to invent.

SO with this article in mind, in regards to OBL, this same court today might not have convicted/ prosecuted as supporting the Nazi regime back in WWII those guards who worked at death camps.

It is looking like the F.B.I are the ones who dropped the ball on this fiasco , there should have been eyes and ears on him all the time, and had there been, he may have been picked up after purchasing firearms. Real lone wolves do exist, to me those lone wolves are assassins paid by government's to execute whom ever for what ever reason, but to label Islamic terrorists, as lone wolves is a bit of a misnomer , especially when said person has already been reported to the F.B.I to begin with ! It would be a different story if the F.B.I had no reason to suspect this guy for any reason what so ever, but they did have reason, they chose to put him on the back burner because he wasn't a big fish to fry, and now this happens.

DNA

13th June 2016, 03:36

bloke being interviewed cut off as soon as he mentions doors being held shut from inside w8NEv1rvDFM

Wow, that was exactly the kind of first hand testimonial I was looking for.
I've been telling my wife that there is no way someone could kill 50 people without some kind of organized help.
People just don't understand, for a single shooter, 50 people is just insane.
Good find bluestflame.

LivioRazlo

13th June 2016, 03:38

It is now being reported on Twitter that there were multiple assailants in this latest tragedy. Man cut off air when telling reporters that the door was being held shut to prevent victims escape. Get ready America and my friends all over the world, the battle for good and evil is about to begin.

ThePythonicCow

13th June 2016, 04:18

It's manipulation, plain and simple.
Jim Stone, as he usually does, casts a quite different light on this "Massacre in Orlando".

In his latest update at his website (http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisad6.html), Jim Stone writes:

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It was an obvious false flag, and there is some doubt about whether or not it was even real

People are pursuing the crisis actor/drill angle with this. I will say this:

1. Is it not interesting that this happened right in the middle of the Bilderberg meetings? I am still working on this one and will no doubt burn the airtime off the modem.

2: Hmm, remember one of the other shootings, where the shooter's dad was running for President in an arab state? Well, this also got reported in relation to this latest "shooting", that the shooter's dad was running for President in Afghanistan. That is too coincidental, I think the same idiotic psy op team or AI was in charge of this shooting as well. I don't believe this was anything but staged, real blood or not.

3: Wait a minute: Why were so many of the injured paraded down the exact same path in front of the cameras? Just like Nick Vogt, who went back and forth in front of the cameras FIVE TIMES with his legs blown off, rather than straight to an ambulance. Now it is looking fishy.

4: Here is a big one: If you youtube "pulse nightclub orlando" you will see that people constantly make cell phone recordings in the crowd. Yet not one cell phone video of this shooting starting from the crowd in the night club has surfaced yet. That is not by itself proof of a hoax, but it does look suspicious.

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Jim Stone goes on to quote Former CIA false flag director David Steele, who has substantial doubts about this event too, suspecting that the killings, if they really happened at all, were likely done by multiple professionally trained killers, or by MK-Ultra trained patsies.

KiwiElf

13th June 2016, 04:42

Perhaps Jim Stone has some of it right...

ISIS Announced Florida Threat THREE Days Ago: “We Will Attack Florida”

http://tapnewswire.com/2016/06/isis-announced-florida-threat-three-days-ago-we-will-attack-florida/

Oops – article about Orlando published on-line the day before it happened.

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Witness interviewed is an actor, Luis Burbano.

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Blue Radiance

13th June 2016, 05:05

Most, if not all of these shootings, are mind control ops to try to make people think we need gun control, IMHO. It's all orchestrated.

Daozen

13th June 2016, 05:09

Google -Lady in Red, Boston Bombings- to see strong evidence of paid crisis actors in that event. We saw obvious gaffes in the Brussels videos. They don't even have the budget to employ good actors any more. This guy fakes a limp very badly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsmBil7WMfA

Here is the BBC caught staging a fake chemical attack to demonize Assad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhdZnzVzMb8

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I think Paul and Jim Stone are right. Why should this attack be any more true than the others? There is very real suffering and misery out there, but some of it is staged.

BTW, Sandy Hook has a strangely disproportionate percentage of lottery winners.

KiwiElf

13th June 2016, 05:10

They need a new "script" - this "movie" is getting very predictable... Obama already stating, "see how easy it is for these "people" to get guns..."

Carmody

13th June 2016, 05:56

Of course, I already received the low, slow and very noisy big helicopter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8o9N_hJPQ) flyover....... in the late dark of a Sunday night.

But that never happens for the rest of the entire given year, so this is just a simple timing coincidence, right?

A little STFU warning, maybe. You see... I'm on a street/road that they simply can't park a car down the road, on. It just won't happen here, so they have to resort to different means.

araucaria

13th June 2016, 07:03

Cidersomerset

13th June 2016, 11:56

US Law Enforcement Knew Florida Shooter BEFORE Shooting

By David on 13 June 2016 GMT

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ACTIVIST POST.....

5 Reasons to Question the Official Story of the Orlando Shooting

TOPICS:Brandon TurbevilleFBIISISOrlando Shooting.
June 12, 2016

By Brandon Turbeville

As more and more evidence emerges regarding the mass shooting in an Orlando
gay club that resulted in the death of at least 52 people and many more injured,
signs are increasingly pointing toward the possibility of a false flag operation.

Already, a number of points lend credence to those who might suggest that
intelligence agencies more so than desert-dwelling terrorist organizations are
responsible for organizing and directing the attacks. A number of questionable
aspects regarding this shooting include:
1.The FBI knew about the shooter and investigated him prior to the attack.
2.The shooter had a connection to a known ISIS recruiter.
3.The shooter’s father was a former “Afghan presidential candidate” who supported the Taliban.
4.The FBI’s history in creating terrorism.

Read more...

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/5-reasons-to-question-the-official-story-of-the-orlando-shooting.html

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US Law Enforcement Knew Florida Shooter BEFORE Shooting

TOPICS:False FlagFBIFlorida ShootingISISTony Cartalucci.
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June 12, 2016

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By Tony Cartalucci

A horrific mass shooting unfolded in Florida claiming the lives of at least 52 with
scores more injured. The British Independent would report in its article, “Omar
Mateen: Orlando gay club gunman identified by police,” that:

Police have identified the gunman in the mass shooting at a gay club in Florida as
29-year-old Omar Mateen, an American citizen whose parents are from
Afghanistan.Authorities in Orlando said they were investigating the shooting as an
act of terrorism, as the death toll rose to 50 with a further 53 wounded.

At face value – it appears to be another senseless tragedy perpetrated by
a “terrorist” inspired by militant groups the US claims to have been fighting for now
nearly two decades. However, the Independent reports another fact further down in
the body of its article, claiming that:

ABC News reported he had been on police’s “radar”, though not subject to an investigation.

‘What CNN fails to mention is the long history the FBI has of taking “sympathizers”
through a series of steps to acquire “enough evidence,” including posing as
terrorists and providing suspects with weapons and plans
for attacks precisely like the one that just unfolded in Florida.

To understand the implications of yet another high-profile terror attack involving a
suspect already known to law enforcement agencies, one must examine previous
examples of admittedly set-up attacks “foiled” at the last moment by the FBI, as
well as attacks that have been carried out by individuals tracked for years and
even arrested multiple times by Western police and intelligence agencies only to be
let go time and time again until finally carrying out “the big one.”’

Read more: US Law Enforcement Knew Florida Shooter BEFORE Shooting

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/us-law-enforcement-knew-florida-shooter-before-shooting.html

Cidersomerset

13th June 2016, 12:06

Timing is usually everything in these events and though I made reference
to it yesterday the Tony awards watched by millions in the US that do not
always follow these events were exposed to it. Also the 'luvie' theatre acting
community has social links to the 'target victims' group . I know ISIS is anti gay
and most things but the 'psyop' big audience shock factor should not be ignored imo....

At the end of the day for TPTB this is all 'Political Theatre' .....

James Corden on Orlando Shooting at 2016 Tony Awards

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Obama: Orlando Shooting An Attack on All Of Us

By David on 13 June 2016 GMT

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Cidersomerset

13th June 2016, 12:16

Many people say history is boring , what do I need to know what happened last
year? let alone 50 , 100 , 200, 1000 , 100 ,000 years ago ? Well history has
a very bad habit of repeating itself the US put thousands of Japanese Americans
in internment camps during WW11 , later many served in the US army in Italy.

The FEMA camps and 'Fusion' centres are built and ready to use under the right
circumstance and social or ethnic groups could easily be rounded up and
segregated if necessary.

George Carlin & Bill Hicks - Question Everything (Remix)

By David on 13 June 2016 GMT

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Fantasy ? emergency preparation ? or something more sinister ? Something
a President Trump or Hillary may enforce if you listen to their rhetoric ?

This programme is a little dramatic but there's a lot to ponder imo.....

Jesse Ventura POLICE STATE FEMA CAMPS part 1 of 3 CENSORED FROM TV

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AS EVIL AS EVIL GETS. Leave the denial at the door.
Former Gov. Jesse Ventura and his crew on Conspiracy Theory have blown the
FEMA camp issue wide open in a truly groundbreaking episode from the program's
second season on TruTV. The "Police State" episode proves once and for all that the
feds have trained to take on American citizens, planned for riots and disasters and
made preparations to maintain order at any cost.

Andre

13th June 2016, 12:32

Florida is considered accommodating to guns, by national standards so it makes some sense to carry out a false flag op there. Could be yet another reason for selecting the location if it was, in fact a false flag op. I am on the fence about many of these attacks due to the likelihood that this attacker, like so many others, may have been under the influence of lethal psychotic suicidal anti-depressant drugs. Big Pharma wouldn't hesitate to sell these toxic drugs knowing that they can result in this kind of behavior.

Conaire

13th June 2016, 13:14

Heart breaking news.

Gay bars and clubs are venues for gay men and women to go to to "feel safe". To be safe to act and behave how we might not feel safe doing on the street. Holding hands, kissing, expressing ourselves.

For this to happen in our space is beyond comprehension. I don't understand why someone would have such hate for us that they would do such a horrendous thing.

My heart goes out to the mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers of the people that were murdered. Their hearts are most definitely broken today. And may the soul's of those killed rest in peace, including that of the gunman.

Pam

13th June 2016, 15:28

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/5-reasons-to-question-the-official-story-of-the-orlando-shooting.html

Five Reasons To Question The Official Story Of The Orlando Shooting

By Brandon Turbeville

As more and more evidence emerges regarding the mass shooting in an Orlando gay club that resulted in the death of at least 52 people and many more injured, signs are increasingly pointing toward the possibility of a false flag operation.

Already, a number of points lend credence to those who might suggest that intelligence agencies more so than desert-dwelling terrorist organizations are responsible for organizing and directing the attacks. A number of questionable aspects regarding this shooting include:

The FBI knew about the shooter and investigated him prior to the attack.
The shooter had a connection to a known ISIS recruiter.
The shooter’s father was a former “Afghan presidential candidate” who supported the Taliban.
The FBI’s history in creating terrorism.

Omar Mir Seddique Mateen has now been revealed as the gunman in the Orlando club attack. According to mainstream reports, Mateen carried an AR-15 rifle and a handgun into the Pulse club around 2 a.m. and started shooting, killing 50 people and wounding 53. A stand-off ensued which lasted for about 3 hours before a SWAT team crashed into the building with an armored vehicle and killed Mateen.

Mateen had allegedly pledged allegiance to ISIS before the shooting by calling 911 and stating allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as well as mentioning the Tsarnaev brothers. Mateen was an American citizen born to Afghan parents from Port St. Lucie, Florida, about a 125 miles away from Orlando, a distance which he allegedly drove to commit the attack.
FBI Foreknowledge, ISIS Sympathies, Taliban Ties

What may at first sound like an instance of senseless violence, brings with it a number of other questions. For instance, the FBI was already well aware of Mateen and his connections to radical jihad and terrorism. According to CNN’s article, “50 Killed in Florida Nightclub, Shooter Pledged ISIS Allegiance,” two officials tell CNN that the FBI had investigated Mateen at some point for possibly having ties to or sympathizing with Islamic extremism. A law enforcement official said there were two cases opened involving Mateen but the probes didn’t result in enough evidence to charge him with anything.

The investigations were reported by a number of mainstream media organizations and later confirmed by the FBI itself during a press conference. The FBI admitted that Mateen had been interviewed by agents twice in 2013 due to comments made about radical jihad which were overheard by coworkers. He was interviewed for a third time one year later due to his connection to Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, an American who had traveled from Florida to train in Syria and later to return to the United States in order to recruit other Americans to fight in the Western-backed terrorist brigades attempting to overthrow secular and legitimate government, Bashar Al Assad.

Salha allegedly returned to Syria and blew himself up in a suicide bombing. It is also interesting to note that Mateen’s father Seddique Mateen is a political personality in his own right having hosted a TV show and apparently declared himself a presidential candidate for Afghanistan. Seddique has denounced the Pakistani government and expressed support and encouragement for the Taliban movement.

Still, the question regarding the fact that Mateen was on the FBI’s radar is extremely important. One key aspect suggesting a false flag that should be looked for soon after the attack is any possible connection the suspect or group of suspects may have had with intelligence agencies. A connection to any one of these organizations and institutions may go some length in explaining how the attack was coordinated, the motivation of the perpetrators, the actual involvement (or not) of the suspects, and who actually directed the operation. For instance, on 9/11, many of the alleged hijackers had previously had close contact with the FBI, CIA, and other high-level intelligence agencies (both home and abroad). Likewise, the Tsarnaev brothers who have been accused of masterminding and carrying out the Boston Bombing had ties to the FBI before the attack.

In many instances, connections to certain military agencies and communities should serve as the same red flag as connections to intelligence agencies since these institutions have largely been blended together.
The FBI’s sordid history of organizing terrorist attacks

Indeed, the FBI has had a long history in creating, organizing and facilitating terrorist attacks in order to bust them at the last minute and claim credit for stopping terror attacks. The FBI also has a long history of investigating, monitoring and interviewing suspects of high-profile terrorist attacks before those attacks were committed but doing nothing about them.

As Tony Cartalucci writes in his article, “US Law Enforcement Knew Florida Shooter BEFORE Shooting,”

A terror suspect armed to the teeth storming a public place and killing scores is actually a very familiar script. The FBI wrote several such scripts in 2015 alone, including entrapping and arresting a mentally-ill suspect after providing him with an arsenal of deadly weapons almost identical to the arsenal recently employed in Flordia.

The Intercept would report in its article, “Another “Terror” Arrest; Another Mentally Ill Man, Armed by the FBI,” that:

U.S. law enforcement officials announced another terror arrest on Monday, after arming a mentally ill man and then charging him with having guns.

ABC News quoted a “senior federal official briefed on the arrest” as saying: “This is a very bad person arrested before he could do very bad things.”

But in a sting reminiscent of so many others conducted by the FBI since 9/11, Alexander Ciccolo, 23, “aka Ali Al Amriki,” was apparently a mentally ill man who was doing nothing more than ranting about violent jihad and talking (admittedly in frightening ways) about launching attacks—until he met an FBI informant. At that point, he started making shopping lists for weapons.

The Intercept would also reference the FBI’s affidavit (.pdf), stating (emphasis added):

According to the affidavit, Ciccolo first talked to the FBI informant about attacking two bars and a police station. Later, he spoke of attacking a college campus with a homemade pressure-cooker bomb like the one used in the Boston Marathon terror attack; he also talked about using guns and a lot of ammo. Ciccolo, according to the affidavit, then “ordered the firearms from a confidential human source (“CHS”) working with the FBI.”

The list of weapons provided to the mentally-ill suspect by the FBI informant is shocking. Revealed in the official FBI affidavit (.pdf), the weapons included a 9mm Glock 17, a 10mm Glock 20, a .223 Colt AR-15 rifle, (referred to by the media as an “assault rifle”), and a 556 Sig Arms SG550 rifle (also often referred to as an assault rifle). Also included in the affidavit is the same hysterical rhetoric encouraged by FBI informants now evident in the recent actions of terror suspect Omar Mateen in Florida.

The FBI literally provided a mentally-ill man they helped plan a terrorist attack together with, an arsenal of deadly weapons – arresting him just before he committed his crime. The only factor that prevented the 2015 entrapment of Ciccolo from becoming a live Florida shooting-style attack was the fact that the FBI arrested Ciccolo before he carried out his planned attack – while those following Mateen did not arrest him.

The role of the FBI in Mateen obtaining his weapons will never be known since Mateen is now – conveniently – dead. Even if he purchased them “legally” at a gun store, it should be noted that in other FBI entrapment cases, suspects were encouraged to purchase weapons themselves, with the FBI arresting them only after they left gun stores with their newly acquired arsenal.

Interestingly enough, in the Ciccolo incident that Cartalucci refers to above, the plan which was fed to Ciccolo involved attacking bars, a target that was actually realized in Orlando. Of course, there will be many who will argue that the FBI, while entrapping unintelligent suspects, would never actually let the drill go live it is important to remember the 1993 World Trade Center bombing where that is precisely what the FBI did.
Who Controls ISIS?

Lastly, one immensely important question must be asked: If ISIS is responsible for the attacks, who controls ISIS? For many, claims that the attacker belongs to ISIS is a deal breaker. For these individuals, ISIS is a shadowy terrorist organization that supports itself and has created a caliphate in eastern Syria and western Iraq that can scarcely be defeated (except when the Russians bomb it). However, the facts do not support such a shallow understanding of the ISIS terrorist organization. ISIS was entirely created, funded and directed by the United States, Britain, France and other NATO countries. Its actions have been coordinated by the Anglo-American Intelligence apparatus for geopolitical purposes all across the world both at home and abroad. For this reason, the declaration that ISIS committed a terrorist attack in Paris is by no means a get-out-of-jail-free card for the Western Intelligence apparatus. Instead, it is the trademark of their handiwork. Please see these articles for more information on the nature of ISIS: here, here, here and here.
Conclusion

While the right-wing media blames Muslims and the left-wing media blame guns, perhaps it would be more effective if thinking individuals would examine the possibilities that this attack was a false flag incident designed to push an agenda that would benefit those in power in some way or other. Out of this attack we will no doubt see another push for the evisceration of the Second Amendment and other civil liberties as well as increased hype regarding ISIS as a threat to the American way of life and a greater attempt at justification for foreign adventures.

While the information presented above may not be enough evidence to prove in the court of law that the Orlando attack was a false flag attack, it is reason enough to question the official story thus far. If this attack is indeed placed in the lap of ISIS, however, all fingers should immediately point to NATO and the Atlanticist Intelligence apparatus. It is they who control ISIS and they who bear the responsibility for its actions. If the attack is attributed to a lone jihadist nut the FBI has some serious explaining to do since it appears that the agency itself is the greatest initiator of terrorist activity inside American borders and is either the most incompetent anti-terror fighter in the U.S. or it is complicit in the attacks that take place.
Also Read: 9 Reasons to Question the Paris Terror Attacks

Tangri

13th June 2016, 15:45

Hervé

13th June 2016, 15:58

A bird's eyes view of the "election-yard" from the Saker:

The shooting in Orlando – a few very basic thoughts (http://thesaker.is/the-shooting-in-orlando-a-few-very-basic-thoughts/)

The Saker June 13, 2016

Frankly, I did not feel like commenting on this shooting. Primarily, because I don’t believe that this event deserves the reaction it got. Yes, sure, 50-100+ innocent people were shot/hurt, but that is more or less what happens on a daily basis in so many locations of our planet that I don’t see how the Orlando shooting would deserve some special attention (for example, just four days ago 19 Yazidi ladies were burned alive to death in a cage by Daesh for refusing to have sex with Daesh fighters (http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/new-isis-islamic-state-daesh-news-pictures-videos-kurdish-kurds-yezidi-women-sex-slaves-burned-to-death-iron-cage-uncensored-pictures-photos/)).

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Yazidi ladies: “bad” victims who do not deserve sympathy

But then I got a ton of emails about that. And, besides, since the homosexual lobby in the USA demands special protection for homosexuals, the massacre in Orlando is a big deal because it is a perfect illustration of how our masters want us to react.

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Homosexuals: “good” victims deserving sympathy

Check out this BBC article: “In pictures: LGBT parades across Europe (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36511030)“. So “gay” pride is, apparently, a big deal to our rulers. Which makes the massacre in Orlando a big deal too. Clearly the powers that be are intensely preoccupied with the well-being and safety of homosexuals. Fair enough.

But then, at the very least, let’s make darn sure that we keep in mind what this massacre has no relationship to:

1) Homosexuality. Yes, the club where the massacre happened (http://www.pulseorlandoclub.com/) was known to be “gay friendly” and the presumed shooter apparently wanted to kill homosexuals. But so what? If he has chosen any other group, vegans, or Latinos, or soccer players or diabetics, this would really made no difference to the nature of the massacre or for the evaluation of the character of the shooter. Innocent blood is innocent blood. There are not subcategories for this.

2) Islam. Yes, the shooter apparently call 911 to declare his allegiance to Daesh and Daesh has, according to reports, claimed responsibility for the massacre. So what? Anybody can claim responsibility for anything, including the Garden Gnome Liberation Front (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_gnome_liberationists). I would even argue that Daesh has nothing to do with Islam either because Daesh’s relationship to Islam is similar that of a tumor to a healthy tissue: a lot of common DNA, for sure, but with some absolutely crucial differences which makes them mortal enemies.

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The AR-15: the cause of all evil

3) Guns. Turns out that the supposed perpetrator did have a legal firearm license. But he should not have had it. He was known to be a wife beater and he was reportedly mentally unstable. Under Florida law, both of these conditions should have resulted in his firearms license been revoked. In other words, even if this shooter purchased his guns legally, his license should have been revoked. When an alcoholic continues to drive around in his car and ends up killing somebody, does anybody suggest that cars are to blame? Of course not. And yet in the case of mass shootings guns are inevitably blamed for the violence. So what is the political agenda here?

So if this is not about homosexuality, Islam or guns, what is it about?

It is about making us believe that is is about homosexuality, Islam and guns, of course!

Whether this is just a perfect opportunity or the latest in an apparently endless series of false flags does not really matter. What is certain is that the Empire and its propaganda machine are making maximal use of this event to convince us that homosexuals deserve our heartfelt sympathy and that they need some kind of special protection and that guns and Islam are truly awful things. Does that sound incredibly stupid to you?

Of course it does – and that is because it is incredibly stupid.

But we are talking about the country in which solving a basic math equation is enough to make you look like a terrorist (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/professor-math-terrorist-flight-delay_us_572e41e6e4b016f3789617f7). So “incredibly stupid” is exactly what works best.

And then there is the upcoming election. Sure, Trump comes across as more anti-Muslim than Hillary. But Hillary is a rabid gun hater, and she is backed by Obama. Besides, last year there has been a long string of mass shooting which were not only rather bizarre, but which were used by the 1%ers to try to blame violence on guns and disarm law-abiding citizens. Does this latest shooting not just look *perfect* for the Obama administration?

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Islam: the other cause of all evil

We will probably never find out if Omar Mir Seddique Mateen was just a a “lone wolf” with some real sympathies for Daesh, whether he truly was an isolated psychopath, or whether he was lovingly nurtured by one of the other US 3 letter agencies and then carefully planted at the right time and place (he was a “person of interest” for the FBI (http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night-club-shooter/story?id=39790797)).

The worst lie of them all is the one that is implied: if we get rid of all guns and if we get rid of all Muslims, then we will be much safer. That is utter nonsense. Not only because guns and Muslims are not the problem, but because it is simply impossible to be safe! There have always been terrorist attack, and there will always be. Today it was a Muslim with a gun. Yesterday it was a Japanese with sarin gas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack). Tomorrow it could be anybody anywhere, armed to the teeth by illegally purchased guns (like in the Charlie Hebdo attack – the French total ban on guns did not help one bit) or armed with a far more deadly weapon (say a common pathogen like E.coli, a legally available toxic agent like Cyanide or even a Water Hemlock extract to poison, say, a school’s cafeteria). Explosives are very easy to manufacture and can be delivered anywhere a car can drive. In terms of terrorism – where there is a will, there will be a means.

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The Pulse: the club where it all happened

One more thing about guns: not only are homosexuals usually known to be easy victims (this is the reason why cowards love to attack them – they usually don’t fight back), but under Florida law it is illegal to bring a firearm into bar. So bar, just as schools, are legal “gun free zones” which makes them ideal for mass shootings and makes it possible for one single shooter to shoot 50 or more people. In Florida, these “gun free zones” are pretty much the only places where you can hope to shoot a lot of people safely, everywhere else the chances of somebody shooting right back at you are rather high as there are no less than 1,477,675 people legally licensed to carry a weapon in Florida (the highest figure in the USA). Concealed weapon carriers include all races, all age groups, males and females from any and all social groups. This is why it has become rather dangerous to start shooting people in Florida, because chances are somebody nearby will shoot right back at you. That is a paradox – “gun free zones” have turned into honeypots for all sorts of mass shooters. That is also something the imperial media will never tell you.

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Do you really think that he cares?

By definition, terrorism is about terror. About fear. About emotions. Those who use terrorism want us to freak out, to lose our ability to think logically. They want us to listen to our emotions, and only some of our emotions. So each time some atrocity occurs and the imperial propaganda machine starts to hammer us with ‘special news flashes’ you know that they are trying to freak you out. Don’t let them do this to you. Don’t let them disconnect your brain. This latest atrocity in Orlando proves absolutely nothing and it only means something if you are willing to give it a meaning. I categorically refuse to do so. For me, 50+ innocent people died yesterday, and that is simply disgusting. But it is also meaningless. To “respond” to that pseudo-event with any kind of “policy” is the pinnacle of stupidity and hypocrisy.

Our resistance has to be first and foremost a resistance for our minds and souls. We have to think and react as we do, not as “they” want us to. If we pay attention to their non-events, then we will miss our real events, especially our victories over them! And, make no mistake, they are getting weaker while we are getting stronger, even if their media says otherwise and if our victories are never reported.

My hope is that the next time when the imperial propaganda machine presents us all with a tear-jerker “outrage” or “terrorist attack” nobody will email me to ask my opinion about it because none of us will care very much (even if it happens close to our homes). I hope that we will be focused on the real horrors of our times, like the 40 million Americans who have been victims of child sexual abuse (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/estimated-40-million-americans-are-victims-of-child-sexual-abuse-ep-379218470-342419871.html) or the 45 million of Americans who are currently living below the poverty line (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/16/poverty-household-income_n_5828974.html). Terrorism is really an illusion created by our rulers to blind us to our condition. Ignore it. Keep your attention focused on reality!

The Saker

PS: for those interested in really understanding the reality of gun ownership in the USA, I recommend this excellent report: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2629704 (download the PDF!)

Tangri

13th June 2016, 16:06

bluekungfoo

13th June 2016, 16:13

The role of the FBI in Mateen obtaining his weapons will never be known since Mateen is now – conveniently – dead. Even if he purchased them “legally” at a gun store, it should be noted that in other FBI entrapment cases, suspects were encouraged to purchase weapons themselves, with the FBI arresting them only after they left gun stores with their newly acquired arsenal. {peterpam post}

This I find completely plausible considering the fiasco of the recent Fast an Furious, the supposed operation to run tagged guns into Mexico to then find out what criminal organizations are using them....
It makes only semi sense for a Muslim extremist to attack a gay bar, I mean it is fairly obvious that most religions do not support homosexuals or their life style in general, but this case now is probably one of few or even the first , to be a blatant terrorist attack on homosexuals, and now things are totally muddled. Seeing gay pride flags being waved and anti gun demonstrations in the same venue , while totally ignoring what has taken place, and reasons why it has taken place.

It is total aggravation, I don't believe in accidents anymore, and I sure as hell do not believe in the big bad lone wolf theory that supposed experts want us to believe.

bluekungfoo

13th June 2016, 16:17

It's both lack of and too many.

But more than that it's a twist a stressing, a forcing and fire under the lives of people, a falseness, a hidden slavery and pressuring...as forced upon them by a hidden oligarchy.

The cumulative aspects of the skewing of life and the world... by a group of hidden sociopaths... who use the world as their gaming field as they vie for power and control.

Go after the hidden layers of psychos and sociopaths... and all our problems, big and small, would begin to dissipate.

Never bother with any of this at the surface level, always go directly for the man behind the curtain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE). Otherwise none of this will ever stop, it will only get worse.

Well said Carmody,
Until behind curtain players are exposed, no matter we discussed individual events.

Puppet masters have their hands in both baskets. Manipulation will continue from both sites,

Opps, I got confirmation

ISIS Claims Responsibility for Orlando Attack in Radio Statement.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-updates/isis-radio-station/

I don't doubt that ISIS had a role in this to some degree if only acknowledging that they had a supporter here in America who did this under their flag, but I still think a larger role is the ineptness of the F.B.I, or the blatant help by the F.B.I to let this happen. What I do not believe is that ISIS had some grand scheme to target this particular gay club as part of their diabolical plans to destroy America.

Tangri

13th June 2016, 16:25

Carmody

13th June 2016, 17:40

Witness interviewed is an actor, Luis Burbano.
Well, I don’t think that has been established here. If as Carmody always says, there are only 36 facial types, that means that the US has nearly 10 million examples of each type. You would need a much more thorough analysis to claim identity as opposed to spitting-image similarity, which is known to be fairly common as well. And actually, I am not at all sure the resemblance is even that close.

Note I’m not drawing any conclusions either way from this; precisely because I don’t think any conclusions can be drawn from it.

Humanity has only 36 different basic facial types (genetically only 6 mothers for all of Europe, etc), and then the genetic variations thereof. Which is why things like ears and eyes and so on as extra identifying markers, are so important.

The other thing we have to look at evenly, ie to look at the plausibility of the 'other side', is the idea that all calls on phones would be so insanely closely monitored, that one person talking in an interview about someone holding doors in the club shut......how that interview would be so perfectly cut off, at the exact moment the offending words were spoken. Think about it. If monitoring was that insanely controlled and complete, it would be a new thing. and how would the monitoring people know the situation so well they could time the cut off so quickly, and how could the command to do so, get around and into the system so freaking fast.

Additionally, we don't know the local or state ordinance on panic door bars, for exits on buildings, in Florida, or Orlando. There may be some definite design requirements for such door latches. Ie, that these door types, building exit doors, may require, by law, undefeatable door latch types that are tightly specified. So, running off at the mouth about phone calls about doors being held shut can get your investigative prowess credibility shot in the mouth when evidence shows other realities and one can end up being dismissed by all, on all aspects, due to incompetence in investigation.

I'm not saying ignore the phone call, but to weigh it with open eyes. To consider suspending it in unplaced judgement, due to potential anomalies that lie within it's very shape.

to use it if you want, for the purposes of investigation, but to understand that it maybe pulled from the table at any moment.

Cidersomerset

13th June 2016, 17:48

Some interesting comments in the vids below , on the BBC vid his ex wife
says he was bipolar , which puts him in the vulnerable class of potential
recruits by either side as a patsy or a possible ' lone gun' . The fact he
was reported by work mates as a threat , and investigated by the FBI
shows at the least he was going through an unstable time and could well
have been influenced . Certainly a potential candidate or recruit for this
type of event ? I am not medically qualified to answer these questions ,
but we do know most of these 'lone nuts' or patsies or even the odd
suicide bomber/shooter has some sort of problems which lay them open
to manipulation , blackmail or mind control.......

In the RT report they speculate that the shooter was radicalised on a visit
to Saudi , which ties in with many others including most of the 9/11
so called hi jackers and others.

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http://lifeunfold.com/medicare/bipolar-disorder-causes-symptoms-and-treatment/
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Orlando shootings: 'No clear evidence' of IS link

8 minutes ago
From the section US & Canada

short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36521761

There is no clear evidence that the Orlando gunman was directed by the
so-called Islamic State group (IS), US President Barack Obama has said.

But the inquiry into the attack on the Pulse gay night club, in which 49 people were
killed, is being treated as a terrorist investigation, he added.The US authorities say
gunman Omar Mateen pledged allegiance to IS shortly before the attack in Florida.
However, the extent of his links to IS remains unclear. Speaking in Washington, the
president said: "It does appear that at the last minute he [gunman Omar Mateen]
announced allegiance to Isil [IS].

"But there is no evidence so far that he was in fact directed.

"This is certainly an example of the kind of home-grown extremism that all of us
have been concerned about for a very long time."

Read more....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36521761

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read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36521761

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Orlando shooter's father 'Punishment for gays is up to God alone'

JjpxfeeBns8

Published on 13 Jun 2016

The Orlando massacre is the worst-ever mass shooting in the United States. The
atrocity took place in the early hours of Sunday, while the Pulse nightclub was
packed with around 320 people inside. The shooter's father earlier said his son was
motivated by 'anti-gay leanings.'

Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

guayabal

13th June 2016, 18:14

For those of you who think that banning guns is the way to go then keep in mind that THIS WAS A GUN-FREE ZONE, if it wasn't then probably someone civil could have stopped this bastrd sooner. I don't get why some people think that "bad" people will be disarmed by gun-control laws... so naive or what.

robinr1

13th June 2016, 18:48

at this moment there is zero proof that the event even happened, much less that the lone gunmen narrative which the msm is promoting is true. quite the opposite actually. I have seen fairly conclusive evidence that

this is no different that sandy hook ,the boston bombing , and all the rest.

Heart breaking news.

Gay bars and clubs are venues for gay men and women to go to to "feel safe". To be safe to act and behave how we might not feel safe doing on the street. Holding hands, kissing, expressing ourselves.

For this to happen in our space is beyond comprehension. I don't understand why someone would have such hate for us that they would do such a horrendous thing.

My heart goes out to the mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers of the people that were murdered. Their hearts are most definitely broken today. And may the soul's of those killed rest in peace, including that of the gunman.

Satori

13th June 2016, 18:53

Now that I think about it, this shooting serves Trump's campaign perfectly.

Yes. I fear this may be the start of a wave that will build and build, with repeated, similar events on both sides of the Atlantic, until Trump is elected. That may be deliberate to push him into power, if some decision's been made to go with him rather than Hillary. Half the population would be screaming at him, giving him a mandate to take whatever action was needed. But that's a pure personal wild guess. :)

If there's another one of these events in the US in the next few weeks (and the follow-up would need to leave more fatalities, for maximum 'wave-building' effect), then I'd say that would go quite a long way to confirm the hypothesis.

If that's what's happening (if), then the endgame would be to use Trump to precipitate some major conflict (domestic and/or foreign) that would help usher in the one-world government as the 'solution'.

With all respect, I completely disagree for the reasons I generally and briefly put forth in post # 34 in this thread. And, by the way, I have long ago seen through the fake left/right, Democrat/Republican dichotomy. I'm not fooled by party affiliations. The only reason I support Trump is that it appears at this time that he is the only alternative to Killary. She has a long history of imperialism and war mongering. The chances for moving towards any hope of reducing war and seeking peace are nil with Killary. The only hope for taking the first steps towards less ( I want to say "ending", but that's too unrealistic.) imperialism and war and in the direction of peace is with Trump. He isn't perfect, no one is, but he offers a better chance for peace and reversing the destruction of the USA.

Redstar Kachina

13th June 2016, 18:57

..........

ThePythonicCow

13th June 2016, 19:17

The only reason I support Trump is that it appears at this time that he is the only alternative to Killary.
Reminds me of this cartoon that I noticed on Need To Know News (http://needtoknow.news/):

http://thepythoniccow.us/VotingAgainst480.jpg

Bill Ryan

13th June 2016, 19:18

....
NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86766-Paris-Attack-multiple-locations-132-dead-349-injured-17-remaining-in-critical-condition--13-Nov-2015-&p=1074718#post1074718

:bump:

Cidersomerset

13th June 2016, 20:29

A brief initial overview.....

The Orlando Shooting: An Open Source Investigation

GMCSCsBHKf8

Published on 12 Jun 2016

So the MSM is identifying the man who shot up a gay nightclub in Orlando as a legal
gun owning Muslim who was a registered Democrat and was on the FBI radar for
suspicious behaviour. Oh, and his father thinks he's the President of Afghanistan.
Have they got it right? You tell me. Join the open source investigation at corbettreport.com today.

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Infowarrior Loses Friend In Orlando Terror Attack

zHNKH1_-Bjo

Published on 13 Jun 2016

Joe Biggs interviews a loyal listener who says he lost a friend in the nightclub
massacre at the hands of a radical muslim terrorist.

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'I'm gonna die': Mother shares tragic messages from son killed in Orlando shooting

a47uMlyHCb8

Published on 13 Jun 2016

The mother of a man killed in the Orlando shooting has shared the final text
messages sent by her son as he was held hostage in the gay nightclub's bathroom
before being shot dead.

‘Mass casualty situation’: scene of shooting in Orlando night club
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii04Tq5NHQk

Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub: Wounded evacuated from deadly attack scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJdEsMBVHQ

RT U'Tube page
https://www.youtube.com/user/russiatoday?feature=results_main

cursichella1

13th June 2016, 20:43

Controversial researcher and author Michael Hoffman had this to say today about the Orlando shooter (Hoffman is the author of Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare and the editor of Revisionist History newsletter.)

June 13, 2016

Massacre in Orlando
Occult Dimension, Investigative Leads, Morality and Mortality

Orlando terrorist Omar Mir Seddique Mateen was licensed by the state of Florida to carry firearms. His rifle may even have been part of his job. Since 2007 he has been employed by G4S Secure Solutions, a “global” security firm that provided protection to the London Olympics. Until recently, G4S had an Israeli section with 8,000 employees. G4S states on its website that Mateen was “off-duty at the time of the incident.” The Establishment media has shown little interest in reporting on G4S.

Another Alibi for the Gun-Grabbers

Mateen’s access to firearms appears to be the same access enjoyed by tens of thousands of the hired guns which corporations and millionaires employ to ensure their own safety. How then can this be a case for another call for gun control? Hillary Clinton does not want to deny “assault” rifles to the people who protect her, or David Rockefeller, or who guard the Olympics.

What we have is a knee-jerk response that is as monotonous as it is lacking in common sense. If the Islamic terrorist in Orlando had killed people with a high-powered automobile Hillary would not be assaulting the automotive industry or demanding a “ban” on high powered cars.

Of course she isn’t really seeking a total restriction on AR-15s. She and her wealthy cronies will always have bodyguards who legally possess high powered “military-style” weapons. She seeks to disarm the American people, in whose name the Democrats claim they are working. The peasants are to be denied the weapons which the licensed agents of Her Majesty possess, as authorized by Queen Clinton.

This is the path to a police state, which we saw at work in the now largely forgotten 1993 government massacre of 82 Americans at Waco, Texas which was ordered by Mrs. Clinton’s husband, and in in 1995 in Oklahoma City when a cabal of government agents and patsies bombed the Alfred Murrah building, killing 168 people. Congress then passed numerous laws restricting our freedoms and granting greater latitude to the police to violate our rights, although that was small beer compared to the aftermath of the 9/11 terror attacks and the enactment of the misnamed “Patriot Act.”

Lady Macbeth’s scapegoating of firearms is part of the script. She prefers to focus less on the Sunni-Salafist Muslim connection, inspired by Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabist theology, which is the ideological engine of the Islamic State (“ISIS”; Mateen traveled to Saudi Arabia twice). How many Americans know that throughout the Middle East ISIS is considered a creature of US and Israeli intelligence? Whether that rumor is true or not (and there is evidence to suggest it is true), this is the firm conviction of millions of Arabs. In the past few months Islamic State has bombed and massacred hundreds of Shiite civilians in Iraq, Pakistan and Syria to very little notice or mourning in the mainstream American media.

The Occult Dimension

What about Orlando, home to Disneyworld, “the happiest place on earth”? With cross hairs fixed on the “pulse” of the nation, on June 12, fifty people died at the Pulse, which caters to homosexuals. Two days before, a popular singer was assassinated a few miles from the “Pulse.” S.K. Bain, the subject of the book, Most Dangerous, writes in his blog that Orlando is "roughly 50 miles from Sarasota, Florida, where, on the morning of September 11, 2001, President George W. Bush—whose brother Jeb was governor of the state at the time—sat in an elementary classroom presiding over a black-mass-in-disguise, to which Mr. Bain devoted an entire chapter in his book, 9/11 as Mass Ritual. (For the uninitiated, Google ‘The Pet Goat.”).

Bain states:

... that “unrelated” shooting of Christina Grimmie, a former contestant on “The Voice”, in Orlando two days prior, on June 10th following a performance with the band, ahem, named “Before You Exit”...Unrelated perhaps, but those who study these sorts of things are well familiar with the established pattern of foreshadowing a mass attack with a smaller incident in the exact same locale....The surname Grimmie, by the way, originally derives from the Norse-Viking “Grimr”, meaning “The Fierce One”, who Lucifer most certainly is.

June 12th was the birthday of both David Rockefeller and former U.S. President George H.W. Bush. A Luciferian mass sacrifice and birthday celebration all mixed up into one—now that’s truly diabolical. ...Skeptical on that last point? Chapter 33 of Most Dangerous: A True Story is entitled “Happy Birthday, Mr. President” and details the tragic events of July 6, 2013, on which Asiana Airlines Flight OZ214 (yes, Oz) crashed at the San Francisco International Airport and “Le Train D’Enfer” (“the Train from Hell”) derailed in Lac Mégantic, Quebec, inundating the small community in a sea of burning crude oil. July 6th also just happens to be the birthday of one George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States. (End quote from Bain).

Investigative Leads

If this writer were tasked with investigating the Orlando massacre we would be closely examining the circumstance of an Orlando police officer “exchanging fire” with the terrorist either prior to his entry to the club, or soon after he entered it. If that was the case, where was the immediate police response? A cop is being shot at and other cops don’t arrive within minutes and engage the perpetrator?

Second, we would be deeply researching everything there is to know about G4S Secure Solutions and how, despite their boast they they throughly check their employees to be certain they have impeccable records, a Muslim man who had been twice investigated by the FBI for terror connections had been working for them from 2007 until the morning of June 12.

What type of work did G4S’s 8,000 Israeli employees undertake, both in occupied Palestine, the Mideast (Saudi Arabia in particular), and the US and Europe? Was Mateen any part of those missions?

On the morning of June 12 FOX News featured a former NYPD detective named “Solomon” (Mateen liked to be photographed wearing NYPD T-shirts), blaming the Orlando massacre on the Koran. “Just read it, you’ll see” he told the FOX television audience.

What if, in the aftermath of an Israeli massacre of Arabs, this writer were to indict the Babylonian Talmud on national TV? We would be hounded off the airwaves in short order, and our “anti-Semitism” excoriated with the hot poker of two-faced Fox News outrage.

Morality and Mortality

What has happened to the America we have known and loved? Mass murder seems to be the order of the day. Shadowy occult forces and symbolism often accompany the horror. America was intended to be God’s New Jerusalem, but beginning in the 1970s Americans began to chop up the defenseless human beings which that same God had sent down into the wombs of millions of mothers. More than 30 million of them chose to massacre their own children and that holocaust, though largely hidden from view, is on-going.

There is a trend on the Left to laud John Brown, the antebellum abolitionist who executed farmers in Kansas in 1856. In 1859 he led the terror attack on Harpers Ferry, Virginia (now West Virginia), perpetrating more deaths. Brown’s famous terror slogan, “To purge this land with blood” embodied his belief that guilty Americans must suffer bloody terror until slavery was abolished. He believed that the enslavement of black people was a crime that could only be expunged with the blood of an American nation that had condoned slavery. This terrorist theology (Brown was a New Light Calvinist) strikes contemporary Leftist academics as a reasonable one and Brown is a hero to many.

Few Americans in 2016 would dare to draw from Brown’s blood purge maxim a parallel with the crime of abortion. Anyone who stood today in the media and said that for the lives of millions of unborn babies, America must be purged with blood and suffer terror, would be labeled a monster. Yet it certainly looks like this is what is coming to pass, and the attempts to pretend otherwise and resume the somnambulistic consumer routine of our daily lives, appears to be futile.

This article is from the Hoffman Wire here (http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2016/06/massacre-in-orlando-morality-and.html)
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Agape

13th June 2016, 22:24

Orlando shooter's father 'Punishment for gays is up to God alone'

JjpxfeeBns8

Published on 13 Jun 2016

The Orlando massacre is the worst-ever mass shooting in the United States. The
atrocity took place in the early hours of Sunday, while the Pulse nightclub was
packed with around 320 people inside. The shooter's father earlier said his son was
motivated by 'anti-gay leanings.'

Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

I think it's a tragedy for all this Planet to have a religion that practices and commends violence against any form of life ,
any form of violence , including hate speech .

What strikes me ( and I suppose not me only ) through the recent 'terrorist attacks' , from last years Paris to this years Brussels , the Bernardino killings and so forth is that those people are being identified and align themselves with both a/islamic religion and b/islamic state in war with the world ,
but they do not attack soldiers. They do not attack strategical installations . They don't declare war ,
they instead shoot innocent civilians . This makes no sense and hardly any good precedence in the history of mankind .

Shows how much confused everyone is about their 'religious views' .

Points out the education missing for few billions of people , utter ignorance if you ask my opinion ,
what is the 'punishment' the islam will suffer for acts of hatred performed in its name ?

The same that Christianity suffered after dark middle ages and worse, abandonment . For these people, the clergy , the patriarchs, the feminists too :) , can't get over human diversity easily ,
cultural, ethnic , more so biological diversity and they'll go preaching around this forever and ever and punishing everyone being born different .

Religious people should be the more merciful, the more caring and compassionate , in thoughts, words and deeds .

Why turning religion of 'compassionate one-ness' to beastly mob on humanity . Why blaming someone else eternally, for 'selling you the weapons' if you did not want to buy them .
Why buying to the fancy side of 'the west' but forsaking the precious culture of both sides of perspective.

There's but one way this all can stop, and that's from deep within. Stop cultivating the hatred in your hearts and your children hearts against other people .
Stop lying to yourself that it's all somehow planned and meant to be. It's no 'super-power' doing this. It's human psychopaths .

Bipolar ? How do we know but genuinely ill person would probably collapse himself much earlier before they'd manage to shoot 50 .

Psychopaths , all around .. watch for 'smart comments' from conspiracy theorists , typical for them they stay untouched . There's no feelings towards this in many people , no true feeling . All they see and see as important is some form of political lobby going on .

One has to go much deeper to individual human soul to understand the variety of feelings and motivations there ,
as long as we keep missing empathy for individuals and cultivation of individuality this brutality, this negligence will go on and on and people will mistake America for one big political lobby .

True as Bill said, I'll soon start believing Donald Trump .

God save all :pray:

Tyy1907

13th June 2016, 23:02

Lefty Dave

13th June 2016, 23:49

Greetings

Something that struck me as odd...but go look for yourselves, please...in many of these attacks, one sees the same cadre of blue shirt or jacket/tan slacks/desert boots mercs on the scene...having free reign at a crime scene...blessings
end of line

Mandala

14th June 2016, 00:28

Lefty, are you thinking black ops?

CD7

14th June 2016, 01:05

This **** Storm is blocks from where I live....I can't tell you the emotion tht goes through me seeing the CIRCUS SHOW all hanging around with their lights, cameras and fake ****in hair dos.....

I live in Port Saint Lucie....other roads were blocked off on other side of bayshore blvd (the street the shooter lived on)....went around to avoid bayshore on another street only to come to a blockade of police and so forth...so I was sent back to bayshore....evidently they were looking into areas not near "shooters" home...for wht haven't seen the news...

CD7

14th June 2016, 01:08

Also want to mention that me and another friends just days ago were commenting how many black cars with dark tinting were around town...like undercover...hummmmm

Also the president Obama was in ft. Pierce and other areas around here two weeks ago....

WHAT THE F...

KiwiElf

14th June 2016, 01:21

Orlando Nightclub Shooting Another False Flag?

By Kevin Barrett on June 12, 2016
(More info at link)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/12/orlando/

It sure walks, talks and quacks like one

All spectacular "left-wing" terror during the Cold War was by Operation Gladio; today, almost all "Islamic terror" is by Gladio B

They’re calling it “the worst US terror attack since 9/11.” A Muslim is being blamed for shooting up a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, killing more than fifty people.

Robert David Steele and 25 other experts explain today’s false flag epidemic in ANOTHER French False Flag: Bloody Tracks from Paris to San Bernardino

In the recently-published Another French False Flag, former CIA clandestine services officer Robert David Steele – who admits he executed one false flag operation for the Agency – lists ten “key indicators of a modern false flag.” The most important is #10: “Who benefits?”

So let’s start there.

The entire world just spent the past week celebrating the life of Muhammad Ali – and Ali’s religion, Islam. It was the best PR week Islam ever had.

What’s more, we didn’t spend the past week celebrating “house Muslim” Uncle Tom style Islam. We just spent an amazing week cheering for Muhammad Ali, a Muslim fighter, a truth jihadi, a man willing to sacrifice everything for truth and justice…a man who famously cheered on armed Palestinian resistance with the immortal words:

“In my name and the name of all Muslims in America, I declare support for the Palestinian struggle to liberate their homeland and oust the Zionist invaders.”

For the people behind the Islamophobia-based “clash of civilizations” – and the long list of false flags that created it – the past week of Muhammad Ali adulation was the ultimate PR nightmare. Meanwhile, during the exact same week, the Zionists have been panicking, fearing that Obama is going to take his revenge on Netanyahu by helping the Security Council pass a resolution essentially recognizing and officially establishing the State of Palestine within its pre-1967 borders.

The usual suspects may have responded with a massive publicity stunt in Orlando designed to make us forget Muhammad Ali … and make it much harder, if not impossible, for Obama to force the Israelis to withdraw from the territory they stole in 1967. In other words, this keeps the Clash of Civilizations going, and Israel expanding.

And who benefits from that? No Muslims that I can see.

Will the alleged perpetrator be interrogated to find out what he did or did not do, what his motives may have been, and who his associates were? Apparently not. Once again, we see the “perp shot dead, will never be interrogated or tried” syndrome. If international terrorism sponsored by groups like ISIS were really what it is made out to be, obviously live captures of all suspected terrorists would be the top priority, so interrogations could take place and terror networks taken down.

Another major indicator of “false flag” is the scale of the carnage. More than 50 dead? Only one shooter? And the guy was not even a special forces professional, but a flaky security guard?! (Who just happened to be on all the National Security radar screens, like so many others now-proven patsies.) Sorry, MSM, that doesn’t pass the smell test.

It’s funny how almost all “Muslim terrorists” are either ridiculously ultra-competent supermen able to take down skyscrapers and blow up the Pentagon using a couple of package-openers as their only weapons; kill ludicrously large numbers of people in mass shootings without any military training; or otherwise perform amazing feats of mass carnage … or else they are the world’s LEAST competent destruction-wreakers, dufuses who can’t get a match lit to try to blow up their own shoe, or who pack their underwear with sterno camping fuel and no detonator and somehow expect their crotch to explode.

Aside from the handful of supermen, practically every wannabe Muslim terrorist in the USA since 9/11 has been a total dufus. As Trevor Aaronson writes in The Terror Factory, almost all of the “Islamic terror plots” in the US since 9/11 have actually been FBI terror plots sold to some hapless patsy – a homeless street person, a retarded teenager – by a professional con artist.

Real terrorism usually falls in the middle of the bell curve: A handful of people (if any) get killed, and/or something of fairly modest size gets blown up. This is the pattern with the 94% of terrorist attacks that, according to the FBI, are not committed by Muslims, but rather by radical Jews, hispanics, leftists, animal rights activists, and so on.

But Muslims…whoah! They’re either supermen, defying the laws of physics to make skyscrapers disappear at free-fall acceleration through the path of most resistance or shooting huge crowds of people with a single Glock pistol…or they’re retarded kids, homeless people, schlemiels who couldn’t succeed in stepping on an ant if the FBI bought them size 20 shoes and released an ant colony next to their feet.

Statistically, the odds that Muslims would almost always either be way-too-lethal or else way-too-incompetent, while all other categories of terrorists would fall in the middle of the bell curve, must be about 20 trillion to one. Go ahead, pull up the statistics and do the math. The inescapable conclusion is that most plots and attacks attributed to Muslims are PR stunts concocted by the FBI and the Deep State, respectively.

We were told, almost immediately after the Orlando shooting, that “the shooter had pledged allegiance to ISIS.” Robert David Steele remarks: “The tape pledging allegiance to ISIS is patsy perfect.” And since ISIS is a Western public relations operation, a 4th generation warfare psy-op, the ISIS pledge in itself pretty much proves that the shooting was an inside job. (For details, see the section “Who is ISIS” in Another French False Flag.)

Mateen’s parents were born in Afghanistan, and he was ‘on the radar’ of U.S. officials for some time, but was not the target of a specific investigation, law enforcement officials told ABC News.”

If the deep state had been running him, setting him up for an event like Orlando, he would indeed have been “on the radar” – but his handlers would have made sure he wasn’t targeted by any specific investigation. This is what happened prior to 9/11 when Lt. Col. Anthony Schaeffer of Able Danger was ordered by his superiors to put yellow sticky pads over the faces of Mohammed Atta and other future “9/11 hijackers” and forget he had ever heard of them.

So if the carnage in Orlando is real (and I haven’t yet seen any indications that it isn’t) how might it have been produced? The two obvious possibilities include:

(1) Professional killers i.e. multiple shooters may have done the damage and/or assisted the patsy, as appears to have been the case in many other false flags including the Fort Hood shooting, the Batman theater shooting, the Sikh Temple shooting, and the more recent Paris and San Bernardino shootings. Robert David Steele remarks: “Multiple shooters are detected by proper forensics on all bullet paths and all spent rounds. I doubt responsible forensics will be done (if 50 real bodies) am pretty sure that if it were, it would identify multiple weapons not found on the scene from the spent round signatures. This is all way too pat.”

(2) The patsy may have been given the equivalent of special forces training, perhaps with the aid of MK-Ultra style hypnotherapy, obviating the need for professional assistance.

Of course, it’s always possible that yet another Muslim-named super-terrorist just appeared out of nowhere and decided, for unfathomable reasons, to stage a murderous PR stunt that would erase “Muhammad Ali Week” from the public mind and help Netanyahu resist the international push to force Israel to withdraw from the Occupied Territories.

But though it’s still to early to know for sure, the above-cited circumstantial evidence suggests that we should place the Orlando nightclub shooting in the “strongly suspected false flag” category.

Courtesy of Robert David Steele

* * *

Updates:

For what it’s worth, there was an active shooter drill in Orlando six months ago.
BeforeItsNews remarks:

“For those who truly imagine outside the box, it’s crucial to understand the purpose behind the cynical utilization of Orlando, Florida. Home to Disney World and consequently the destination of so many families and their children over generations, it has become the one location you go to get away from it all. You leave the home behind and all of the negative evening news and you travel to the land of make-believe to involve yourself in childhood fun and fantasy.

“What’s the point? Well, what better means to galvanize the parents and children across America to take up the problem of gun control in earnest than by shooting up their adult and childhood playground.”

Editor’s note: The Disney World locale also reinforces the propaganda line: Muslims hate gays, Walt Disney, childhood happiness, families, mom, apple pie, free speech for cartoonists, etc. etc. THEY HATE OUR WAY OF LIFE SO WE MUST SUPPORT ISRAEL. -KB

Pakistani defense analyst Zaid Hamid tweets: “Is this a co-incidence that the shooter worked for a private mercenary contracting outfit G4S which is close to Mossad/MI5/CIA??”

Robert David Steele: “An alert reader has pointed out that only the stupid would accept the video taped pledge of allegiance to ISIS at face value. In a clandestine environment, the shooter could be told that he is auditioning for a possible operational promotion, and asked to do this, even given a script. A prospective candidate for access agent status going against ISIS would be assigned to increase mosque attendance and signs of commitment. There is NOTHING so far that suggests this individual had anything against gays or any reason to actually target gays. All signs point to a false flag event.”

From George Washington’s blog: “Mateen worked for the British company G4S since 2007. Throughout that time, G4S has been what people might call a private, special operations military outfit. It is said to be three times the size of the British military. In 2012, a G4S employee was charged with making a bomb threat at the Olympics. Similar bomb threats were connected to G4S in 2013 and May 2016. Previously called Securicor, G4S provided security at all three airports affected by the 9/11 attacks. Securicor/G4S had bought Argenbright Security—the 9/11 airport security firm—just nine months before the 9/11 attacks. The company later ran operations at Guantanamo Bay. These facts suggest that all aspects of the attack, including initial reports of two suspects in the shootings and that someone was holding the door closed to prevent people from escaping, should be carefully investigated.”

From Tomato Bubble: “The producers at LHS (Langley-Hollywood Studios) have really, and we do mean really, “pushed the envelope” with this latest stunt involving the “Pulse” sodomite club in Orlando, Florida — setting an astonishing, and we do mean astonishing “lone gunman” record of 50 kills plus 53 wounded! Eat you heart out Rambo! How was it possible that in a small crowded club, Rambomar was able to wield a long gun without someone being able to grab either him or the barrel before he could methodically shoot 103 people — a task which would have required at least 3 magazine replacements? Yes, they were queers, but dominant queers are often weight-lifting macho types who aren’t afraid to fight. And the submissive types would have ran for their lives in terror. How did he get past the club’s bouncers while wielding a rifle? How could he kill so many people, in the dark, with small .22 caliber bullets (far less lethal than .38’s and .45’s). He would have had to score 50 head or heart shots to accomplish such an amazing feat.”

Reports of multiple shooters are coming in including this Facebook post: 1-orlando-tweet
Eyewitness account from the Palm Beach Post who said he heard another gun from a different direction: “Fifty people were trying to jump over each other trying to exit the place. There was a guy holding the door and not letting us exit. He’s like ‘Stay inside, stay inside.’ As he is saying that, the shooter keeps getting closer and closer and the sound of the bullets is getting closer. Everyone starts to panic. People are getting trampled. Let us out, let us out!…I’m pretty sure it was more than one person. I heard two guns going at the same time. It was very, very crazy.’’

Sean

14th June 2016, 02:14

This was a false flag.Period. Witness testimony censored by MSM http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/multiple-suspects-loose-orlando-why-media-blackout-eyewitness-accounts

also, this guy was headed to L.A. Pride with weapons and explosives: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/12/us/california-west-hollywood-suspect-aresenal/

The thing is, I bartend, and I bartended L.A. Pride all 3 days, so we were all a target. Security was heavy at the event, though, including FBI agents and plenty of undercovers from several agencies(I think) L.A. County Sheriffs were out in big numbers.. Believe me, we were all on high alert. Went off without a problem. anyways..this is SO false-flag it's just in all of our faces. Cui bono?

ZooLife

14th June 2016, 03:41

Has ISIS Infiltrated Homeland Security? Orlando Terrorist Worked for Major DHS Contractor (http://counterjihad.com/isis-infiltrated-homeland-security-orlando-terrorist-worked-major-dhs-contractor)

BY Paul Sperry · | June 13, 2016

The Orlando nightclub terrorist who pledged allegiance to ISIS worked almost a decade for a major Department of Homeland Security contractor, raising alarms that ISIS sympathizers and agents have infiltrated the federal agency set up after 9/11 to combat terrorists.

Officials say Omar Mir Seddique Mateen, an Afghan-American who held two firearms licenses and a security officer license, was employed by the security firm G4S Secure Solutions USA Inc. since Sept. 10, 2007. The Jupiter, Fla.-based company merged with the Wackenhut Corp. after 9/11 and assumed federal contracts.

“G4S supports the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection (CPB), with its operations at the U.S. Mexico border and with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to transport illegal immigrants in selected urban areas,” the company says in a brochure, titled “Providing Manpower Solutions for Government Services.”
The DHS contract with G4S is worth more than $234 million. The contract states that one of the “performance requirements” is helping identify “suspected terrorists” trying to enter the U.S.

The security contractor also provides security guards and other security services for “90 percent of U.S. nuclear facilities.”

(Source (http://counterjihad.com/isis-infiltrated-homeland-security-orlando-terrorist-worked-major-dhs-contractor))

Innocent Warrior

14th June 2016, 04:16

DOOR BLOCKER at Orlando Massacre Interviewed

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My transcript of the video -

Burbano - It started with those four gunshots. They got louder, they got closer. Er, it was going on continuously as I think Chris said. Um as we were, uh there was a break, after about 10 to 20 gunshots there was a break of like 10 seconds which.. and we started jetting towards this little side exit of the side stage um and then the shooting continued continuously. Loud, loud, it was that’s like no small gun that’s for sure. And then we um jetted out to the back, when the volume of the gunshots started getting closer and louder.

*edit - cut*

Interviewer - How many minutes were you inside after the shooting began?

Burbano - It seemed like an hour but um no more than a minute, a minute and a half and then we just started pushing and pushing and as soon as we got that ten second break we went to um this alleyway which led for only employees and we had tried ah, me and this random guy tried blocking the door. Coz at that point, like I said, the bullets were getting louder and closer. So we blocked this door and we did hear banging and I, I pray it wasn’t anyone trying to escape because I would forever feel guilty, but at that point there was still about 20 people in front of us, crammed into this little alleyway, with a big hole in one of the fences and just trying to topple over, just tryin’a just escape, just run.

Interviewer - So you you you all tried to get out of there as quickly as as you possibly could.

Liar. The man who was blocking the door knew damn well there were people trying to escape…

Eyewitness account from within Pulse nightclub

ORLANDO — The worst mass shooting in U.S. history started right at 2 a.m.

Janiel Gonzalez, 26, said he was sober and he remembers checking his watch just before walking up to the bar at Pulse nightclub.

“I was ordering a Red Bull at the bar. I decided not to drink alcohol last night. As I was signing my tab, out of nowhere’ — and Gonzalez mimics the bud-dudda sound of the rapid gunfire he heard.

At first, he said, people thought it was a fireworks display for the music. “But it got louder and louder,’’ he said. “It wasn’t until everybody started smelling the ammunition everybody realized this is real life.’’

Dozens of people dived to the floor and started climbing over each other looking for an exit. Many cut themselves crawling on the floor over glass from smashed beer bottles that were tossed by panicked patrons in the early moments.

“I remember telling myself, ‘This is not how I die,’’’ Gonzalez, 26, said.

“When I dropped to the floor and saw people crying and covered in blood. The scent of the ammunition and bullets, I was like ‘This is real life. This is happening right now.’”

He said he never saw the gunman, who was in an adjacent room about 20 feet away. He said he thought the initial burst of gunfire lasted eight or nine minutes.

“He kept on shooting and shooting and shooting, rapid fire,’’ Gonzalez said, “and he’d change (clips), put in more ammunition — bud-dudda. I could smell the ammo in the air.’’

He said he heard another gun from a different direction, so he wonders if there were two gunmen.

“Everybody dropped to the floor. We were trying to look for an exit. But the main exit was right next to the entrance where the shooter was shooting,’’ he said.

“In a moment of desperation we were all crawling on the floor trying to find a place to exit. I looked to my right and I could see people going through some curtains. We were digging through the curtains and found a door.’’

But he said the door was blocked by a man. He wasn’t sure if it was a club security person or an accomplice to the gunmen.

“Fifty people were trying to jump over each other trying to exit the place. There was a guy holding the door and not letting us exit. He’s like ‘Stay inside, stay inside.’ As he is saying that, the shooter keeps getting closer and closer and the sound of the bullets is getting closer. Everyone starts to panic. People are getting trampled. Let us out, let us out!’’’

Gonzalez’ first thought was that it was a hate crime. “This guy is trying to prevent us from leaving. Maybe they’re working together,’’ he said.

Gonzalez said he feel lucky because he hung out on the left side of the club, while the gunman concentrated fire on the right side.

“When you enter the club, there’s a right wing and a left wing. The shooter entered and went straight to the right. He never came to the left (side), which is the hiphop room where the majority of my friends were. Everybody in the right (wing) room got injured.’’

“I’m pretty sure it was more than one person. I heard two guns going at the same time. It was very, very crazy.’’

Gonzalez and a friend finally knocked over a fence to escape. On his way outside, he said he lost a shoe and stepped on a nail and cut his foot.

“It was complete utter choas’’ as patrons finally got outside the club, running for cover in nearby stores and restaurants.

“People were running to hide in the Wendy’s. People running to hide in the Subway. I was hiding in the refrigerator of a Seven-11. The Seven-11 manager was like. “Get in the back.’’

Gonzalez said he got paranoid and, thinking it was a hate crime against gay men, hid in the women’s restroom for 25 minutes.

Finally, he made arrangements for a friend to pick him up outside. “I limped toward the hospital and a friend picked me up,’’ he said.

Gonzalez said he knows two friends were hurt and two others are still missing.

“Everybody came out with scrapes or huge gashes,’’ he said, because “everyone threw bottles down” on the floor when the gunfire erupted.

Gonzalez tried to help others, grabbing shirt sleeves and yanking people to the ground, saying “Get down, get down!”

“I tried to get as many people out the door as I could but it was very difficult,’’ he said.

He said his biggest “takeaway” from the tragedy is to know where the exits are in any venue you visit, whether a night club or a movie theater. “I feel like I could have saved a lot more people if we knew where the proper exits were.’’

Helicopters hovered overhead as Gonzalez spoke to reporters outside Orlando Regional Medical Center, a few blocks from the shooting scene and where many victims were taken.

“I have my car still in valet,’’ he said. “I’m hoping I can get it so I can go home and shower.’’

Nina Justice sat on a bench outside the hospital and cried with her face in her hands. She had received a frantic phone call just after 2 a.m. from her son, Eddie, who was in the club when the shooting started. Minutes later she received a text.

“He texted her, ‘He’s got us hostage. I love you mommy,’” said Eddie’s cousin, Jeff Robinson.

That was the last contact Justice had with her son, Robinson said. She had no word as of noon Sunday if Eddie was alive or not.

A man named Allen walked to Pulsed on Sunday morning to see where four of his friends died. Allen, who would not give his last name, said he was supposed to be at the nightclub last night but stayed home because he had a bad headache.

“I kind of wish I was there with my friends,’’ he said.

Link to source - http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/eyewitness-account-from-within-pulse-nightclub/nrfJF/
Published by PalmBeachCoast.com, at 2:39 p.m. Sunday, June 12, 2016.

Emphasis is mine.

So either he wasn’t the man blocking the door or he lied because he doesn’t want to appear cold and callous…the latter option begs the question; why the f*** did he rock up, put his hand up as the door blocker, and agree to an interview then? Lucky he did though eh, otherwise how would the authorities explain the report from the witness in the written article? Another option is that the witness in the written article is lying, the one with believable details like the smell of the ammunition, one who’s report threatened to screw up the official narrative.

Burbano is either a stupid, psychopathic, lying idiot or he’s an actor hired to explain the blocked exit.

Luis Burbano’s IMDb page - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3483499/

Either way, the apparent explanation for the blocked exit is not at all credible.

Edit: Another interview with Burbano - http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/12/orlando-attack-survivor-describes-harrowing-escape-club

He talks about two men who he helped, but don't call him a hero, he says, he did nothing. She also asks about if he was worried that people were being trapped by "them" blocking the door. He repeats his sentiments of prayers and offers additional details. Btw, yes, I'm aware he said there was two of them (a "taller gentleman", in this interview) and it theoretically could have been the other guy who the trapped people heard telling them to stay inside, I call BS and, even then, it still doesn't change the fact that there was no freaking way he didn't know it was trapped people who were "banging on the door".

Edit 2: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was carrying the wrong coloured backpack, was hunted down as one of the Boston bombers suspects, while this joker, Burbano, admits to positively helping the gunman (whatever his excuse is, that's what he did) and gets interviewed by Fox News...seriously? He's not suspected of helping the gunman on purpose? With that weak excuse? And people actually believe there is a real investigation taking place right now?

bluestflame

14th June 2016, 07:43

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Eric J (Viking)

14th June 2016, 09:40

$25,000 REWARD FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO EXPOSURE OF FALSE FLAG AT ORLANDO

$25,000 REWARD FOR INFORMATION LEADING TO EXPOSURE OF FALSE FLAG AT ORLANDO
Posted on June 13, 2016 by Carl Herman
By guest author, Thomas Paine. Washington’s Blog has previously documented false flag attacks are a usual expression of government to manipulate policy (site search results on false flag).

The Huffington Post Bloggers Club is offering up to $25,000 for hard evidence that the June 12 Orlando massacre was staged (consider here, here).

The attack fits the same pattern observed dozens of times over the last several years; in particulars, the summary execution of the suspect and disbelief of those who knew him best, including his family.

Yet again, the timing of the attack combined with the demographic of the alleged victims and the demographic of the alleged gunman, dovetail too well with the domestic and geopolitical agendas in Washington. The Orlando shooting is simply perfect for at least six top priorities of the Obama regime:

push the Gay agenda,
repeal the Second Amendment,
justify Orwellian surveillance,
embolden the police state,
fan hatred of Muslims,
intervene on behalf of terrorists in Syria while pretending to fight them,
distract from the most influential American Muslim of all time: Muhammad Ali.
We seek documents, videos and other material showing that actors rehearsed this incident and/or the alleged victims are not real people. What ever you have, we are interested. You don’t have to identify yourself, encryption is fine and we can pay in bitcoin.

If, on the other hand, you have proof that we are mistaken, that the massacre was real as advertised by the media, we would also like to see it. Contact us at info@hpub.org

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Anyone..?

Viking

KiwiElf

14th June 2016, 09:41

Anchor breaks down reading names of Orlando victims
Yahoo New Zealand on June 14, 2016, 6:05 pm

Video CNN anchor Anderson Cooper breaks down while reading names of victims of Orlando shooting

(Video at link)

Openly gay CNN news anchor Anderson Cooper could not hide his heartbreak as he read the names of every single person who died in the mass shooting at Pulse nightclub in Orlando.

Over about seven minutes, standing very close to where the tragedy happened, Cooper went through each name one by one, adding whatever other information he knew about each of the victims.

Anderson Cooper read out loud the name of every person killed in the mass shooting.

"We think it's important that you hear their names," he said, after going through the list.

He refused to say the shooter's name or show his photo.

"We will not say the gunman's name or show his photograph. It's been shown far too much already."

The gunman killed 49 people and injured 53 others during the worst mass shooting in the history of the US at the gay nightclub in the early hours of Sunday morning.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/31833994/cnn-anchor-anderson-cooper-breaks-down-while-reading-names-of-victims-of-orlando-shooting/

bluestflame

14th June 2016, 10:40

i have a theory that might fit re crisis actors , wether events themselves are real or staged , it's the mainstream media that uses the crisis actors to manage public reaction to events, scripted and controlled for maximum effect , seems to have been the main use in this one

Cidersomerset

14th June 2016, 11:43

Confirmed: FBI Introduced Florida Shooter to 'Informants'

By David on 14 June 2016 GMT Problem-Reaction-Solution, War and Terror

https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/maxresdefault-1.jpg

‘Mateen first appeared on authorities’ radar in 2013 after the security guard’s
colleagues alerted the FBI to inflammatory statements he made to colleagues
claiming “family connections to Al Qaeda,” according to Comey…

…The FBI’s Miami office opened an inquiry into Mateen.

“He said he hoped that law enforcement would raid his apartment and assault his
wife and child so he could martyr himself,” Comey said.

Nevertheless, FBI investigators investigated Mateen, who was born in New York, for
10 months. They introduced him to confidential informants, spied on his
communications and followed him. They also interviewed him twice.’

Read more: Confirmed: FBI Introduced Florida Shooter to ‘Informants’

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/confirmed-fbi-introduced-florida.html

Cidersomerset

14th June 2016, 11:47

This is an very good all round interview imo and they talk about the event and the
bigger picture. One of many points she raises is that it was only a week ago the
world were celebrating the life of one of the most famous muslims on the planet.

Which is no good for TPTB agenda of demonizing Muslims is at the top of their
current agenda along with Russia , China and others.....

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National Trauma & Martial Law Behind Orlando Attack'

By David on 14 June 2016 GMT

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Published on 14 Jun 2016

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Cidersomerset

14th June 2016, 11:52

Corporate Media Refusing To Cover Numerous Witness Accounts Of Multiple Shooters In Orlando Massacre

By David on 14 June 2016 GMT Coverups, Useless Media, War and Terror

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ACTIVIST POST....

Media Refusing to Cover Numerous Witness Accounts of Multiple Shooters in Orlando Massacre

TOPICS:Claire BernishMediaOrlando Shooting.
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June 13, 2016

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By Claire Bernish

‘As mainstream media headlines begin to solidify around the narrative a single shooter was responsible
for the carnage at Pulse nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, details calling the now-official story into question
must be addressed.

While no doubts can be raised Omar Mateen, indeed, played a role in the attack, eyewitness accounts —
while varied and certainly subjective, considering the chaos unfolding at the time — don’t unanimously
agree he acted alone.

“I mean, I’m pretty sure it was more than one person,” witness Janiel Gonzalez told a bevy of reporters.
“Like I said, I heard two guns going off at the same time,” he continued, gesturing back and forth with his
fingers indicating the gunfire emanated from separate directions.’

Read more: Corporate Media Refusing To Cover Numerous Witness Accounts Of Multiple Shooters In Orlando Massacre

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/media-refusing-to-cover-numerous-witness-accounts-of-multiple-shooters-in-orlando-massacre.html

Daozen

14th June 2016, 11:54

Anderson Cooper. Are the green screen allegations true? I haven't dug deep enough to be sure, but something is wrong:

HD Quailty: Anderson Cooper's "disappearing nose" green-screen clip DEBUNKED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFw20eLL0w0

CNN Anderson Cooper Confronted on Sandy Hook Green Screen Disappearing Nose By Audience Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8g7tLY-GIo

December, 20 2012 -- Anderson Cooper 360
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJwwj6ln3Qc

Proof TV Media 100% Fake - Fake/Green Screen Compliation (2014)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLSwvZd17Qw

Eric J (Viking)

14th June 2016, 12:51

Some more here...false flag...no ambulances!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8Eem4DriA

Viking

Sean

14th June 2016, 13:16

Imjusttrying

14th June 2016, 13:42

Some of you may think me callous for saying this..but why didn't anyone in the crowd try to take the shooter(s) out? Florida is VERY gun-friendly. Lots of CCW-holders. Lots of MA-trained people. Why not rush the perps if you're going down anyway? A lot of things here not making sense..

You have to understand this. Downtown Orlando is not the same as places like Ocala, Deland, or even Daytona Beach. Downtown (Pulse is right next to Lake Eola) is rather liberal, and we have never had a major situation like this. Ever.

If you go out around here you'll immediately notice the loose security for the area. This is a place you can walk around in the middle of the night, and never worry about being shot, or hurt for that matter. Most of Florida is pro-gun, and is mostly empty fields and grassland. To these areas, yes it is lots of CCW-holders, pro-gun, etc. However, in the middle of downtown Orlando, this is not the case.

To the next point. Please, let's use some empathy for a second. These are people who are in the middle of hardcore partying. They have been drinking all night, and when you're in a bar/club your rational and analytical mind isn't working correctly. The club is dark, misty, has loud music playing, and all of a sudden you hear firecracker like sounds. Their first reaction is not, "This must be a killer." It's 2am when this happened, do you not think they had been drinking for over 2 1/2 hours?

As to the reason why the security didn't stop the gunman, I cannot explain. All I know is security here is never armed.

Lastly, we need to stop saying this was a "fake event" and these people were "crisis actors." No... This was very real, actual people were sent to Orlando Regional Medical Center, which was less than 2 blocks away from Pulse, actual people have died. Of which my boss knows three.

I'm not trying to make anybody wrong here. I'm really not, I just want to make sure the background is given before people start saying things from a reactive state.

Carmody

14th June 2016, 14:21

The why and how of the gaming. What it means, where it comes from, why they do it, and so on.

What the new article, from June 14th, 2016, is saying, is that non local 'out of time' connectivity in systems, is real. It is functional. Proven.

That what I said above, science has created a test protocol and enacted the tests, and found it to be true. Not the psychic sensitivity tests from the researchers, but hard science in the world of quantum communications.

That the two testing protocols and results, confirm one another, separately. That a hard science cross correlation has appeared.

so, you know what that means. That you really, really, seriously...... need to get a hold of yourself. Big time.

That if you want a good outcome, you'd better learn to drive correctly, and dump the panic mode.... as the animal drive of looking for the threat coming out at you from the tall grass, is really... a bunch of crap.

You end up creating that reality, simply by being it. And that this change, has to come from the deepest parts of you, the ones that create thought...down in the hindbrain, which is emotional and animal. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91117-Elon-Musk-Nails-it-We-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation&p=1074925&viewfull=1#post1074925)

Althena

14th June 2016, 14:46

Can't they find better actors when they know the world is watching them?? Check out this clown, he should get his money back from the drama school he went to.

bNe3-QmLXO0

Hervé

14th June 2016, 15:08

Some of you may think me callous for saying this..but why didn't anyone in the crowd try to take the shooter(s) out? Florida is VERY gun-friendly. Lots of CCW-holders. Lots of MA-trained people. Why not rush the perps if you're going down anyway? A lot of things here not making sense..

. . .

???

A bird's eyes view of the "election-yard" from the Saker:
[...]
One more thing about guns: not only are homosexuals usually known to be easy victims (this is the reason why cowards love to attack them – they usually don’t fight back), but under Florida law it is illegal to bring a firearm into bar. So bar, just as schools, are legal “gun free zones” which makes them ideal for mass shootings and makes it possible for one single shooter to shoot 50 or more people. In Florida, these “gun free zones” are pretty much the only places where you can hope to shoot a lot of people safely, everywhere else the chances of somebody shooting right back at you are rather high as there are no less than 1,477,675 people legally licensed to carry a weapon in Florida (the highest figure in the USA). Concealed weapon carriers include all races, all age groups, males and females from any and all social groups. This is why it has become rather dangerous to start shooting people in Florida, because chances are somebody nearby will shoot right back at you. That is a paradox – “gun free zones” have turned into honeypots for all sorts of mass shooters. That is also something the imperial media will never tell you.
[...]

Eric J (Viking)

14th June 2016, 15:54

Bumpity bump...

Viking

bluestflame

14th June 2016, 15:55

registration for business name PULSE has expired several years ago , and more dodgey details 3LIugZfUvLw

(thanks John)

Bob

14th June 2016, 16:52

Just a brief comment on Florida legal concealed carry (license holder) into an establishment where alcohol is served.

The question is if the CLUB called PULSE incidentally served alcohol, but it's purpose was a meeting place, for dance, song.. then the ambiguous portions of Florida law say it IS OK for a legally registered person to carry their legal concealed gun into the establishment provided they stay out of the BAR area.

There are plenty of restaurants and clubs which have liquor licenses and can sell legally alcohol. And they may even have a bar section. And they can have a dance floor section (with tables)..

The BAR: Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.

(Unfortunately, this law is ambiguous and appears to be subject to interpretation with regard to restaurants with bars or other places licensed to serve alcohol which serve other purposes such as casinos and other places of entertainment. (i.e. "clubs")

We (uslawshield.com) have researched this issue including contacting the concealed weapons division of the Florida Department of Agriculture and have received this response:

There is little doubt that the language in section 790.06(12)(a)12 restricts the carrying of firearms in bars, taverns, and so on. Clearly, these are establishments that are generally licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises. However, it is the phrase that occurs at the end of subparagraph 12—“ which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose”—that appear to qualify the restriction in such a way as to allow the carrying of firearms in restaurants or similar businesses that primarily serve food but that also happen to serve alcohol as well. In other words, a restaurant may in fact have a bar where alcohol is dispensed for consumption on the premises.

However, the serving area in the restaurant where patrons are dining would not constitute the part of the establishment primarily devoted to the sale and consumption of alcohol.

Patrons in that restaurant who may happen to have concealed weapon licenses would, of course, be restricted from carrying their firearms in the bar of the establishment.

While this letter and its opinion are not authoritative, the general sense is that concealed weapons may be legally carried by a CWFL holder into a business that serves alcohol but not as a primary business, however a concealed weapons carrier should stay out of portions of that business where the service of alcohol is the primary function, i.e., the bar area of a restaurant.)

The PULSE "CLUB" could potentially qualify as an establishment where the patrons COULD have brought concealed weapons to protect themselves.

BUT the point is I suppose, the folks there would NOT want to in the eyes of love, have fear or worry that a concealed weapon would be necessary.. Contrary to a belief that "protection is necessary". As I pointed out in an earlier post, the PULSE CLUB itself may have a no weapons policy restricting patrons from carrying any weapon into the establishment.

If as pointed out by Hervé that BARS are becoming a place for an easy target for a shooter to use for their assault, there are numerous other areas as well, such as shopping centers where concealed carry doesn't seem to be being used for the patrons/shoppers to defend themselves against armed assailants. (i.e. shooting in Kenya shopping center, hostage situation:

On Saturday 21 September 2013, unidentified gunmen attacked Westgate shopping mall, the most upscale mall in Nairobi, Kenya.

The attack resulted in at least 67 deaths, and more than 175 people were reportedly wounded in the mass shooting.

The extremist Islamic group al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for the incident

Who will defend us? Wherever we go? Who?

Do we want the armed military, or armed police force as in Israel, or Germany, walking around with their own Military assault weapons?

I recall quite clearly, walking around in the airport in Frankfurt Germany in 1987, seeing in full military gear military protection.. I AM not MSM. What I personally saw was there. What I observe is what I note, and what I get from associates who are there, first hand, such is relayed.

Armed security everywhere with a disarmed society? Is that the scenario that is coming? Can't we protect ourselves? or are we going to rely on a non-existent "cop on every corner".

I agree with Hervé that "al-mateen" should have been stripped of his security license, his gun registration. That the assailant managed to be "ignored" officially says he could very well have been one chosen to "have his buttons pushed", for the "AGENDA".

Who instituted the "AGENDA" can be debated no question. But it should be determined clearly, not just hypothesized as a generalization which does dis-service to rational thought.

==update==

While pointing out the potential for a shooter situation to exist at a shopping center, in Amarillo Texas as we write this, there is a possible shooter/hostage situation happening. (apparently an employee has taken someone hostage)

If the patrons WERE armed they most likely could have protected themselves, and stopped the hostage taker/potential-shooter at the outset.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck7SLAJVEAASFOR.jpg

The hostage taker now is reported as dead, "threat terminated" - a Somalian man ex-Walmart employee (killed by S.W.A.T. apparently).

There was a live feed at LINK (http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/amarillo-walmart-shooting-active-shooter-gunman-suspect-police-hostage-situation-victims-injuries-deaths-video-photos/)

I had asked in an earlier post, when the name "al-mateen" was brought up, was that action by the "al-mateen" a key trigger to activate others, maybe sleepers?

The question of "who's agenda" is being played out is a valid question, objectivity please.

Kryztian

14th June 2016, 16:55

The Huffington Post Bloggers Club is offering up to $25,000 for hard evidence that the June 12 Orlando massacre was staged (consider here, here).

Please tell the HuffPo Club to issue the $25 K check post haste. I will send them my name, address and other details they need. One does not need evidence that Omar Mateen received weapons from the FBI, or that he was hypnotized by the CIA. One doesn't need to see crisis actors involved on the scene. One just needs to listen to the media.

I didn't hear about the incident until I was driving my car at 2 pm in the afternoon, listening to National Public Radio. After some basics on the story in Orlando, they interviewed Prof. Brian Levin (http://criminaljustice.csusb.edu/facultystaff/levin.htm), a criminologist attorney in the Dept. of Criminal Justice at California State University in San Bernardino. Speaking at the time when people are still traumatized and comprehending what had just happened, Levin did everything in his power to connect the event to ISIS, to mention there name over and over and over again, as the inspiration and cause of the crime, even thought there was no evidence that Mateen ever met anyone connected to this group or had any training with them or any form of communication. It was obviously important for Levin to direct our energy, our sense of who is responsible, to a group that is almost entirely contained in an area 6,000 miles away from Orlando.

And what happens? The next day Trump blames then incident on the "fact" the U.S.A. has abandoned Israel. In a TV interview:

“We have generals, that feel we can win this thing so fast and so strong, but we have to be furious for a short period of time, and we’re not doing it!” Trump complained on Fox & Friends Monday morning.

“Are you saying hit Raqqa right now?” asked host Brian Kilmeade. “We’re going to have to start thinking about something,” Trump replied.

Meanwhile, Hilary Clinton states:

“We should keep the pressure on ramping up the air campaign.”

A false flag does not have to be a completely controlled and fake event, it can be a real event, but the reporting of it is utterly twisted and misrepresented.

If there were a shooting at a gay night club and the shooter was not Moslem, we would probably suspect that the came from a conservative, homophobic religious background and had issues with their own sexuality which led to mental illness and ended in violence. But the press war mongering Western press would not speculate on that option, just focusing on ISIS. The only people to turn up the goods on this was Russian Today:

Orlando shooter had ‘gay tendencies’, claims his ex-wife (https://www.rt.com/usa/346613-orlando-mateen-gay-tendencies/)

Several witnesses have come forward saying they frequently spotted Mateen in gay bars and on a gay messaging app, while his former wife Sitora Yusufiy had told Brazilian television that he had “gay tendencies”.

click here (https://www.rt.com/usa/346613-orlando-mateen-gay-tendencies/) for rest of article

So there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen, this is absolutely a false flag, all you have to do to examine the evidence is open an American newspaper, listen to an American radio station or watch an American news broad cast. The CIA, through their Project Mockingbird information distribution system has conveniently made the mind control programming you deeply crave available where ever you look. The U.S.A. has more that half of the military might and armaments in the world and the only think to keep them from using it is a wimpish desire on the part of American people for something as trite and quaint as "world peace." They are there to help you mourn the lost of 50 people and translate this into action that will cause the death of 50,000 people on the other side of the Earth, and to convince you that they are related, and that the fact that war generates untold wealth for a few campaign supporters is mere coincidence, as is that fact that we are achieving the geopolitical objects of our dear friends in Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Exactly when will I receive that check???

Kryztian

14th June 2016, 17:08

Viking, I have to ask what you mean when you say these shooting are meant to "push the Gay agenda" ??? We have same sex marriage here in the U.S.A., we have gay and lesbian people serving in the military. These are done and closed deal, and I don't think there are any more burning gay issues left. What are you referring to?

jake gittes

14th June 2016, 18:15

jake gittes

14th June 2016, 18:26

Can't they find better actors when they know the world is watching them?? Check out this clown, he should get his money back from the drama school he went to.

bNe3-QmLXO0

LOL. That really is bad. That's Gene Rosen-bad. Same fake voice, lack of tears and phony emoting.

Eric J (Viking)

14th June 2016, 18:40

conk

14th June 2016, 18:51

giovonni

14th June 2016, 20:44

very disturbing if true ...

Orlando Gunman's Wife Tried To Talk Him Out Of Attack | NBC News

"Omar Mateen's wife Noor tried to talk her husband out of carrying out the attack, according to federal agents."

Published on Jun 14, 2016

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6psyBwByJ8

noxon medem

14th June 2016, 20:52

Starting by giving love and sympathy to the victims and relateds of this act of violence.

The murderers father is right when he say: "Judgement is onto God/Allah, not the servants".

His son was a "closet" homosexual, and faced problems in dealing with that,
his background taken into account. Shame, and being persuaded that only
going extreme to pay for those sinful urges.
One see the same pattern in the "terrorists" in EUrope. Outsiders and
smalltime criminals regretting their lifestyle, and are given an extreeme way
to repent them selves and maybe be worthy of forgiveness from their own father
- or The Father.

Very curious he was given entrance with the weapons, after a (short) arguement.
And he was cleared to work for G4S "security"-company .
( all of the above can be documented )

well, well
-and (&)
be well, all

Cidersomerset

14th June 2016, 21:19

Homophobic mass murderer not political terrorist attack ?

'Gay tendencies' Orlando shooter visited LGBT club & used special dating apps - reports

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Published on 14 Jun 2016

The rapidly-shifting theories behind what motivated Orlando nightclub shooter Omar Mateen
suggests he may have been struggling with his sexuality and frequented the nightclub he
eventually attacked. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/7fg5

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

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Orlando gunman 'tried to pick up men' in gay bar he attacked

8 hours ago

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Gunman Omar Mateen was reportedly a regular customer at the gay bar in Orlando
where he shot and killed 49 people early on Sunday.Pulse club patron Jim Van Horn
said he recognised Mateen from a photograph, and recalled talking to him.

"Everybody knew his name. Omar," he said. "He was a homosexual and he was
trying to pick up men."

Read more

Orlando killer Omar Mateen 'visited Pulse gay club'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36527946

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Was Orlando nightclub shooter a closeted homosexual? Did ex-wife known of attack plans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuBq1VEfZc

Published on 14 Jun 2016

The rapidly shifting theories about what motivated Orlando nightclub shooter Omar
Mateen suggests he may have been struggling with his sexuality: He frequented
the nightclub he eventually attacked, used gay dating apps and had may have
asked male coworkers out romantically. Meanwhile, Mateen’s wife is under FBI
scrutiny as revelations that she may have known of the attack prior are coming out.
RT America’s Marina Portnaya has the latest from Florida.

Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

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Orlando shooting latest in long history of violence against LGBTQ in US

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedXnmS9D4M

Published on 14 Jun 2016

The mass shooting at Orlando’s Pulse Nightclub appears to be targeted towards
members of the LGBTQ community and the latest chapter of a long history of
violence in America based on sexual orientation and gender identity, with 20
percent of hate crimes recorded by the FBI in 2014 targeted at them. For more on
this, Jay Brown, director of communications for the Human Rights Campaign, the
largest civil rights organization and advocacy group for LGBTQ Americans, joins RT
America’s Simone Del Rosario.

Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

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Identity or ideology?: The psychology behind the Orlando shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A19bCiioiMc

Published on 14 Jun 2016

The shooter of the Orlando gay club appears to have been a regular there, raising
questions as to whether he was a homosexual ashamed of identifying himself as
such. Meanwhile, the conversation around his proclamations of allegiance to Islamic
State rages on in the media. So what motivated the attack? Wendy Patrick, a noted
expert in hate crimes and Psychology Today contributor, discusses with RT
America’s Simone Del Rosario.

Find RT America in your area: http://rt.com/where-to-watch/

Satori

14th June 2016, 21:28

The $25,000 is safe. Might as well make it a million dollars, or ten million. This so-called reward is meaningless. None of us have sufficient, if any, evidence to prove that this tragic event was staged by Mateen's handlers. Sure, there are some good and often compelling factors to point to and to seriously draw into question the official story, but none of that is proof. As is typical--like 9/11 and other such events--the official explanation, drummed into our psyches by the MSM and incessant repetition, will become the "proof." But that's OK, we can all go back to sleep now.

provolon

14th June 2016, 21:41

From this post http://humansarefree.com/2016/06/8-clues-indicating-orlando-mass.html

8 Clues Indicating Orlando Mass Shooting Is A False Flag Operation
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Are we looking at an Orlando false flag with the recent mass shooting at Pulse (a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida) where over 50 people were reportedly killed?

by Makia Freeman | bonus by Alexander Light

False flag attacks happen in the US with a certain and predictable regularity. It has been awhile since the last major false flag attack on US soil (San Bernardino), interspersed with one in Europe (Brussels).

In recent years, the NWO manipulators throw a false flag operation into the mix every so often for numerous reasons.

A first is to ensure the public doesn’t forget about being scared of being attacked anywhere at any time in their home towns.

A second is to ensure the public doesn’t forget to continue being afraid of the bogeyman du jour (in this case ISIS or Islamic terrorism, better named Zio-Islamic terrorism in deference to the real force [Zionism] behind it).

A third is to target different places (schools, movie theaters, nightclubs, etc.) and different segments (gays, teachers, etc.) in and of society, so that everyone starts to feel personally threatened by the specter of a mass shooting or bombing, because they identify more with that type of place or segment.

A fourth is gun control: the continuing agenda which has been greatly accelerated under Obama for the US to override the 2nd Amendment, forbid gun ownership and bring US laws into “harmonization” with those of the Rockefeller-influenced UN.

A fifth is distraction: the NWO social engineers time these events to keep other important topics out of the news (such as the ongoing and nefarious efforts to pass the TPP, TTIP, TISA, CETA and other giant “free-trade” agreements to further enslave the average citizen).

There are other reasons, but that’s a brief summary.

With all that in mind, let’s take a look at some of the specifics of the Orlando mass shooting case. Here are some salient points indicating that the Orlando mass shooting may be a false flag operation:

Orlando False Flag Clue #1: Alleged Killer Worked for G4S

The notorious G4s is a British multinational private security company, the world’s largest by revenue. It has already been exposed as having ties with Israel, and the security-intellignece apparatus of the US-UK-Zionist axis (CIA, MI6, Mossad).

For instance, G4S was helping Israel with its prisons before recently pulling out due to unfavorable publicity (thanks to the BDS movement). It is therefore rather intriguing that the suspected mass killer/shooter (or patsy) Omar Mateen, a 29 year old Muslim man, has been a G4S employee since 2007.

Here is the official statement from G4S:
“Omar Mateen was employed by G4S at a residential community in South Florida and was off-duty at the time of the incident. Mateen was subject to detailed company screening when he was recruited in 2007 …”
G4S is connected to 9/11 and Guantanamo too, as this article on Washington’s Blog states:
“Previously called Securicor, G4S provided security at all three airports affected by the 9/11 attacks. Securicor/G4S had bought Argenbright Security — the 9/11 airport security firm — just nine months before the 9/11 attacks. The company later ran operations at Guantanamo Bay.”
Orlando False Flag Clue #2: Alleged Killer Already Known to the FBI

With so many of these false flag events, the killers or patsies are already known to the FBI or other intelligence agencies. The FBI knew about Mateen; they evaluated his potential for terrorism by interviewing him at least two different times.

You may recall that the FBI has become famous of late for its “sting operations”, where it has knowingly and willingly orchestrated fake terrorist acts to supposedly make us safer, while at the same time entrapping gullible people to play along and justifying its own existence.

You can read more on the subject here: 94% Of All Terrorist Attacks Are Invented By The FBI

Orlando False Flag Clue #3: Alleged Killer Shot Before He Could Speak or Be Tried

Dead men tell no tales. Omar Mateen has been shot, so we’re never going to hear his side of the story. This is certainly not the first time this has happened.

Orlando False Flag Clue #4: Supposed Pledged Allegiance to ISIS

ISIS is the pet Frankenstein of the New World Order, so you can thoroughly expect the ISIS card to be played at false flag events to further (and falsely) cement in people’s minds the idea that ISIS is a real and imminent threat to America.

It is patently obvious to many by now that ISIS-IS-ISIL-Daesh is a US-Israeli creation. Just like Islamic terrorists supposedly chanting “Allah Akbar” every time before they kill, the pledge of allegiance to ISIS has become a standard ingredient in the recent Western false flag recipe.

Orlando False Flag Clue #5: Drill Occurred 3 Months Prior in Orlando

You know the drill. Same time, same place, same event. With this Orlando mass shooting, there was a MCI (Mass Casualty Incident) drill that occurred 3 months ago, although there is not much information about the nature of it.

Orlando False Flag Clue #6: 666 Numerology

As with almost all false flag attacks, there is a numerological marker to the Orlando false flag event. The attack took place yesterday on June 12th, 2016, written in American English as 6/12/2016.

There is a 6, then five central digits (1 + 2 + 2 + 0 + 1) which equal 6 when added together, then an ending 6, making a 666.

The occult symbolism of this number is painted all over Illuminati and other Secret Society events. Coincidence? You decide.

Orlando False Flag Clue #7: More Than 50 Dead

Another reason to suspect the official narrative of the Orlando mass shooting is simply the alleged numbers of dead victims.

More than 50 dead? The greatest number of dead people in the US since 9/11?

So how does a security guard manage to possess the training and prowess to kill that many people in that short a time?

We come across the same loophole in the official story of Sandy Hook, where skinny kid Adam Lanza is supposed to have shot and killed 26 people in record time.

As Kevin Barrett writes:
“More than 50 dead? Only one shooter? And the guy was not even a special forces professional, but a flaky security guard?! (Who just happened to be on all the National Security radar screens, like so many others now-proven patsies.) Sorry, MSM, that doesn’t pass the smell test.

“It’s funny how almost all “Muslim terrorists” are either ridiculously ultra-competent supermen able to take down skyscrapers and blow up the Pentagon using a couple of package-openers as their only weapons; kill ludicrously large numbers of people in mass shootings without any military training; or otherwise perform amazing feats of mass carnage… or else they are the world’s LEAST competent destruction-wreakers, dufuses who can’t get a match lit to try to blow up their own shoe, or who pack their underwear with sterno camping fuel and no detonator and somehow expect their crotch to explode.”
Bonus! Clue #8: One of the First Eyewitnesses to the Orlando Attack is An Actor

As this article details, one of the first Orlando shooting eyewitnesses interviewed by the MSM is an actor.

His name is Luis Burbano and you can see his IMDb profile here. This is not the first time that an actor is involved in a false flag event.

During the Sandy Hook operation, David and Francine Wheeler (both actors) have allegedly lost a son during the "shooting." Unfortunately for them, David Wheeler was also spotted playing the role of an FBI agent in the same event.

Ever since the false flag, they have traveled the country as paid anti-gun lobbyists. You can read more here.

Steven Spielberg was photographed during the Boston Marathon false flag, trying to blend in the crowd and allegedly carrying to safety a "wounded" person.

Barbara Starr (OK, not exactly an actor, I admit), the Pentagon correspondent for CNN, played three roles in two false flags (Sandy Hook and Boston Marathon). You can read more here.

The inconsistencies with these false flag events are so many, that I invite you to browse the 'False Flags' category on my website and revisit some of the older articles.

Conclusion: Question Everything about the Orlando Mass Shooting

As always, you have to question everything about these attacks. If you want the truth, you’ll get more of it by flipping or inverting everything the MSM (Mainstream Media) says, and using that as your starting point for investigations, rather than the other way around.

Stay tuned for more evidence as the situation unfolds.

Bob

14th June 2016, 22:12

Seems some "radicalized" terrorists have believed that "I.S.I.S." exists and acted to the "calling" despite social media clamoring that it doesn't..

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/05/24/ramadan-violence-islamic-state-urges-lone-wolf-attacks-in-u-s-europe/

Ramadan Violence: Islamic State Urges Lone Wolf Attacks in U.S., Europe

The Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL), in a new propaganda message, is urging supporters to carry out violent attacks against civilian and military targets within the United States and Europe during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which begins in early June.

“Ramadan, the month of conquest and jihad. Get prepared, be ready … to make it a month of calamity everywhere for the non-believers … especially for the fighters and supporters of the Caliphate in Europe and America,” said the audio message, urging ISIS sympathizers in the West to attack if they cannot travel to the group’s self-declared Caliphate in Syria and Iraq.

I wonder about when people are not able to "read their lips" nor understand what radicalization can do to someone.

The smallest action you do in their heartland is better and more enduring to us than what you would if you were with us. If one of you hoped to reach the Islamic State, we wish we were in your place to punish the Crusaders day and night,” the message reportedly added.

ISIS encouraged its supporters to launch lone wolf attacks “to win the great award of martyrdom.”

22 May 20165

CAIRO (AP) — An Islamic State group spokesman has urged sympathizers in Europe and the U.S.
to launch attacks on civilians there if they are unable to travel to the group’s self-declared Caliphate in Syria and Iraq.

"In a 31-minute audio message released late Saturday by the IS media arm al-Furqan, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani says the U.S.-led war against the group is doomed to failure and that America “fell in the swamp of perdition.”

"He tells IS sympathizers in Europe and the U.S. to “harass the Crusaders day and night and to terrify them until each neighbor becomes afraid of the other.”

"Adnani says sympathizers should not underestimate the value of “throwing a rock at a Crusader in the heart of his home.”

So what happens when they go to Saudi Arabia and attend the Umrah .

What is the UMRAH ?

In Arabic, Umrah means "to visit a populated place". In the Sharia, Umrah means to perform Tawaf round the Kaaba and Sa'i between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah, after assuming Ihram (a sacred state), either from a Miqat like Zu 'l-Hulafa, Juhfa, Qarnu 'l-Manāzil, Yalamlam, Zāt-i-'Irq, Ibrahīm Mursīa, or a place in Hill.

It is sometimes called the 'minor pilgrimage' or 'lesser pilgrimage', the Hajj being the 'major' pilgrimage and which is compulsory for every able-bodied Muslim who can afford it.

The Umrah is not compulsory but highly recommended.

It is so odd that a person using the name of al-Mateen entering Saudi Arabia using a name which Omar chose for himself was able to escape notice. (Earlier posts describe what al-mateen means in the Quran القرآن الكريم. I suggest reading those for further understanding.. His father's name was NOT MATEEN, Omar chose the MATEEN name... although various MSM is reporting such incorrectly that his father's name is Mateen. I note that especially as either shoddy reporting or a deliberate mis-direction.)

Background on the Umrah

Throughout Muhammad's era the Muslims wanted to establish the right to perform Umrah and Hajj.

During that time Mecca was occupied by Arab Pagans who used to worship idols inside Mecca.

The first military campaign related to the Umrah was the Nakhla Raid ordered by Muhammad, Abdullah ibn Jahsh's was the commander of this expedition.

During this raid one of Abdullah ibn Jahsh's men , Ukkash ibn Mihsan, was shaven in head to hide the real purpose of their journey and to give the Quraysh the impression of lesser Hajj (Umra); for it was the month (Rajab) when hostilities were forbidden.

When the Quraysh saw the shaven head of Ukkash, they thought that the group was on its way for pilgrimage and they felt relieved and began to set up camp.

They said, "These people seek the 'Umrah, so there is no need to fear them."

The sacred months of the Arab Pagans were the 1st, 7th, 11th and 12th months of the Islamic calendar according to the Muslim scholar Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri.

Muhammad signed the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, which took place in March 628.

During this event Muslims March to Mecca to perform the lesser pilgrimage (Umrah).

Muhammad also ordered the Expedition of Abu Qatadah ibn Rab'i al-Ansari (Batn Edam) in December 629 to divert the attention from his intention of attacking Mecca.

He despatched 8 men to attack a caravan passing through Edam.

During this expedition one Muslim was killed by another Muslim.

After this, verse 4:94 of the Quran was revealed.

Ibn Kathir interprets this as, God asking Muslims to be more careful when fighting "in the way of Allah", as to reduce the chance of killing Muslims accidentally, as happened in this incident.

Finally Muhammad ordered and took part in the almost entirely peaceful Conquest of Mecca in December 629.

After the conquest the people of Makkah who had persecuted and driven away the early Muslims, and had fought against the Muslims due to their beliefs were afraid of retribution.

However, Muhammad forgave even the most ardent of enemies of Islam to establish safe sanctuary in their homes. This was a significant moment where Muhammad showed mercy as opposed to revenge to the people of Makkah.

Thus, the right to perform Umrah and Hajj were guaranteed.

"Although not a part of the ritual, most pilgrims drink water from the Well of Zamzam. Various sects of Islam perform these rituals with slightly different methods."

Did he drink the "water". I wonder.

bluestflame

14th June 2016, 22:27

Bob

14th June 2016, 22:42

i swear i've seen a photo of hillary clinton with omars "wife" now i just gotta find
it

or a woman that looks strikingly similar , been sifting through so many images last night into the early am this will be " fun "

as well as the info that the white house "quietly " announces hilarry is under investigation by the FBI

I suppose it's not appropriate in this thread to point out this Google search, or is it relevant? As to who is supporting gun control, and allowing in "radicalized supporters"

Here is the search:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hillary+received+donation+from+saudi&oq=hillary+received+donation+from+saudi&aqs=chrome..69i57.5877j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=hillary+receives+donation+from+saudi Keywords are: "hillary receives donation from saudi" and what pops up says

Apr 20, 2015 - Says Hillary Clinton took "money from kings of Saudi Arabia and Morocco ... "Like other global charities, the Clinton Foundation receives support from ..

Yes the Clinton Foundation has received donations from Saudi Arabia. The Wall Street Journal reported on it Feb. of 2015.

Foreign Government Gifts to Clinton Foundation on the Rise

Additionally, the Clinton Foundation received Foreign Country donations while she was Secretary of State, but it seems not from Saudi Arabia. The Washington Post reported on it:

Foreign governments gave millions to foundation while Clinton was at State

This one from zero-hedge: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/saudi-arabia-has-funded-20-hillarys-presidential-campaign-saudi-crown-prince-claims

Saudi Arabia Has Funded 20% Of Hillary's Presidential Campaign, Saudi Crown Prince Claims

" Petra News Agency published on Sunday what it described as exclusive comments from Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman which included a claim that Riyadh has provided 20 percent of the total funding to the prospective Democratic candidate's campaign."

And again about who is clamoring for gun control to strip the citizens and rely on protection from "the cop on every corner"

just wondering out loud..

SilentFeathers

14th June 2016, 22:52

noxon medem

14th June 2016, 23:07

- and here is a real kicker :
Candidate Trump say to exclude all from "nations" making terror on EU and USA ....

Well, the socalled lone terrorist in Orlando is an American Citizen.
Are "they" gonna ban all americans from USA now !?!

( of course it will boil down to "religion" )

- be well, all

6pounder

15th June 2016, 00:44

ThePythonicCow

15th June 2016, 01:11

After reviewing various reports in the last day on this "Massacre in Orlando", I am, for now at least, of the view that it was a staged terror event, using private mercenaries, with Omar Mateen the chosen patsy, with likely some dead and others injured, but quite a bit fewer than reported, and with the usual variety of anomalies being uncovered.

Dang it - when are we (most people, that is) going to quit falling for these staged terror events?

Here's some of the reports I reviewed, with the best two first in the list:

The “Fog of Breaking News” in Orlando Clears Path For The Gun-Control Agenda (ActivistPost.com) (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/the-fog-of-breaking-news-in-orlando.html) -- What, no ambulances? Hospital Emergency Rooms locked down.
Mateen was a regular at the Pulse for 3 entire years! (Jim Stone) (http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisae2.html) -- Mateen was gay, not a gay hater; He worked for G4S mercenaries.
Orlando Shooter Was Reportedly a Regular at Pulse and Had a Profile on Gay Dating App (gawker.com) (http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316)
Orlando Shooter Omar Mateen ‘Was A Regular At Pulse Nightclub’ (PrisonPlanet.com) (http://www.prisonplanet.com/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-a-regular-at-pulse-nightclub.html)
Meet Noor Zahi Salman: The Orlando Shooter's Mysterious Second Wife Knew Of His Plans, May Be Charged (Zerohedge.com) (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-14/meet-noor-zahi-salman-orlando-shooters-mysterious-second-wife-knew-his-plans-may-be-) -- but second wife says Mateen did plan shooting.
CONFIRMED: FBI Introduced Florida Shooter to “Informants” (ActivistPost.com) (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/confirmed-fbi-introduced-florida-shooter-to-informants.html) -- yet again we see the FBI or (as with Lee Harvey Oswald) the CIA handling the chosen patsy.
Media Refusing to Cover Numerous Witness Accounts of Multiple Shooters in Orlando Massacre (ActivistPost.com) (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/media-refusing-to-cover-numerous-witness-accounts-of-multiple-shooters-in-orlando-massacre.html) -- and yet again a confused and controlled media, ignoring major leads
New Reality After Orlando Attacks: Dogs, Metal Detectors and Searches at Public Gatherings (New York Times) (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/new-reality-after-orlando-attacks-dogs-metal-detectors-and-searches-at-public-gatherings.html) -- Mainstream media quickly justifies more militarized control of the populace.
Obama Says Orlando Shooter Was ‘Homegrown’ Terrorist (Wall Street Journal) (http://www.wsj.com/articles/officials-hunt-for-details-from-orlando-shooting-1465823030) -- Well, might actually be true: homegrown by our own war mongering mercenary and intelligence agencies.
5 Reasons To Question The Official Story Of The Orlando Shooting (LewRockwell.com) (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/no_author/5-reasons-question-official-story/)
On 9/11, the Orlando shooter’s classmates mourned. Some say he celebrated. (Washington Post) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/13/on-911-omar-mateens-classmates-mourned-some-say-he-celebrated/?utm_term=.363e4c25b720) -- Main stream media quick to link Mateen to our 9/11 fears.
FBI and Obama Blame ‘The Internet’ For Radicalizing Shooter (PrisonPlanet.com) (http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi-and-obama-blame-the-internet-for-radicalizing-shooter.html) -- Of course, blame the Internet, thus setting up another agenda
Clinton Renews Attack on Second Amendment (PrisonPlanet.com) (http://www.prisonplanet.com/clinton-renews-attack-on-second-amendment.html) -- Both Obama and Hillary were quick to call for gun bans, nevermind that Mateen worked for one of our gun toting mercenary private contractors.
Hillary’s Obscene Reaction to the Orlando Shootings (LewRockwell.com) (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/06/john-v-walsh/hillarys-obscene-reaction/) -- Hillary "reminds us once more that weapons of war have no place on our streets."
Jeh Johnson: Gun control is now a matter of homeland security (CBS News) (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/orlando-nightclub-shooting-jeh-johnson-gun-control-is-now-a-matter-of-homeland-security/) -- The Secretary of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, insists that "meaningful gun control has to be a part of homeland security."

Such staged terror events are designed to serve several agendas, including justifying increased tyrannical control over the public and over the Internet, limiting gun rights, controlling the Internet more, turning us against each other (gay against straight, Christian against Muslim, men against women, Democrat against Republican, whiter races against darker races, etc), and especially cranking up the general fear level.

Various means are used to cover up what actually happened, suppressing reports of real events and inserting actors and confused and conflicting alternative reports. Mercenaries are used to do the actual killing, and often the actual death toll is much less than the scary number reported. The chosen patsy has a very, very short life expectancy, and is often a seriously damaged and mind controlled individual, setup for their unfortunate role.

Only when the majority of the people quit falling for these staged terror events will they likely cease to happen, especially now, while some of the Bastard Groups in Power are desperate, such as the Bush, Clinton, Saudi, Neocon ... Crime Families.

It's going to be a long, hot summer.

Bingo

15th June 2016, 01:11

You can't bring guns into these clubs, they are gun-free zones. If they had constructed this stage play in almost any other location, there probably would have been a good ole boy with a shooter. Also gays are not known for packing guns. They are normally peaceful people and were there to have a good time

noxon medem

15th June 2016, 01:13

- no fear .
- no worry .
- a way
- an ......

;- )

( & life goes on )

Bob

15th June 2016, 01:19

So what and where is next?

ThePythonicCow

15th June 2016, 01:58

So what and where is next?

I don't know. I'd suggest asking John O. Brennan (Director of CIA) or James B. Comey (Director of FBI). Perhaps they know. More likely however you should ask some executive at some private mercenary contractor that I couldn't even name.

bluestflame

15th June 2016, 02:16

any remote viewers in the house ?

k2ewNQMdu7A

https://youtu.be/k2ewNQMdu7A

Michelle Marie

15th June 2016, 02:39

Just heard about this here. Don't watch MSM. Don't listen to radio.

"Media Diet" has served me well.

As in the thread: "Energy Flows Where Attention Goes" I extract my energy/attention and focus on creating solutions. Getting the real info here makes me aware of the broader perspective--and the Truth.

Thank you all for your contributions. You are my real news team!

With much appreciation!
MM

ThePythonicCow

15th June 2016, 03:40

Here's some of the reports I reviewed
Here's one more good report, hot off the presses, that does a good job of listing several of the anomalies in the "news" we're being fed on this "Massacre in Orlando":

Orlando Nightclub Shooting: Questions and Anomalies Surround ‘Worst Mass Shooting in U.S. History’ (MemoryHoleBlog.com) (https://memoryholeblog.com/2016/06/14/orlando-nightclub-shooting-questions-and-anomalies-surround-worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history/#more-29321)

Here's a quick summary list of the anomalies that the above report documents in more detail (plus a couple items from my previous list posted above):

The “shooter,” Omar Seddique Mateen, was employed by a dubious mercenary contractor, G4S, to the Dept. of Homeland Security.
The corpses of the dead were still supposedly inside the club, as of the following evening, almost a day after the shooting.
Only a few of the dead had supposedly even been identified, as of that evening.
Almost no video exists of the actual shootings or from the inside of the club, following the shootings.
No ambulances and no professional medical emergency personnel were seen outside the club.
No emergency triage tarps or facilities were set up.
No news reporter access was allowed to the emergency rooms in nearby hospitals.
No ambulances were seen going to these emergency rooms with victims of this "massacre".
Civilians carried the few apparently not too seriously injured down the street.
These injured were filmed being carried down the street - the wrong way - towards the club.
One of those injured was filmed being placed in the back of a pick up truck for transport.
No dead or seriously injured people were seen being evacuated the first day.
The (predictable) parade of sobbing witnesses included at least one known actor, Luis Burbano.
The performances of these witnesses were not particularly convincing, such as sobbing without tears.
Some parallel drills were involved, again as usual for staged terror events.
Within 24 hours, websites had been setup for donations and collected over a million dollars.
Some online posts, including on Yahoo, mentioned the Orlando killings ... posted a day before the event.
Mateen's father, Seddique Mateen, had complex and suspicious involvements with the U.S. government.
Mateen himself had ongoing entanglements with the FBI.
As with some earlier events, the "shooter" used at least a couple of weapons, an "assault rifle" and a pistol.
As sometimes before, the "shooter" got the weapons legally, despite mental health issues.
As sometimes before, the "shooter" was supposedly a self-radicalized loner.
As sometimes before, the "shooter" exhibitionisticly announced his loyalty, calling 911 to support ISIS in this case.
Government officials quickly called for gun bans, increased "security" procedures, better control of the Internet, etc.
A big issue was made of whether or not to excoriate controversial groups, such as gays and Muslims in this case.

It's time our Dept. of Homeland Security (DHS) let out a contract for a new script. This one is getting too predictable and tired.

The DHS should also let out a new contract for the enactment of these scripts. The production quality of the current staged events is quite sloppy and low budget (almost as if they want to create yet another divide in the population, between those of us who see through these deadly farces, and those who still trust the main stream media and our supposed leaders.)

The conclusion of the above MemoryHoleBlog article sums it up well:

Here, as always, the agenda is multi-purpose: gun control, mental health supervision, increased surveillance of the populace, bolstering of the intelligence services, militarization of local law enforcement, further commitment to the “War on Terror” whether abroad or at home, and, in this case, the LGBT program – in a strategy devised by the elites and programmed by the media, with the people used as dupes.

Kerrigan

15th June 2016, 03:48

it just came out that the shooter was on a gay dating app and did frequent 2x a week for 3 years the club Pulse.

Lets talk about homophobia. This man hated gays and hated himself. A certain % of homophobes are gay themself, thats an actual fact...

He knew he was not getting out of there alive. It was reported he was calm, he knew what he was doing. He was racist too and knew he was killing Latinos. It was a latino event hosted by a black trans person.

He was under fbi investigation cause he beat his wife...

This man was a racist, misogynistic, homophobe.... That is a powerful motive fueled by pure hatred.

That is what isis is attracting as type of person, they didnt brainwash him.... or ask him to join... he associated with it.

There is no gay agenda. Please stop it with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jhSH0uawfI

Bob

15th June 2016, 06:34

" Petra News Agency published on Sunday what it described as exclusive comments from Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman which included a claim that Riyadh has provided 20 percent of the total funding to the prospective Democratic candidate's campaign."

I believe this guy is in Washington DC right now meeting with Obama and others??????

Looks like that is the case. I may have more inside data on that soon ...

The decades-old relationship has been based on an exchange of American security for Saudi oil.

Prince Mohammed, 30, who is also defence minister, will hold talks with US officials on "strengthening bilateral relations and discussing regional matters of mutual interest", the Saudi Press Agency said without giving details on the programme of the visit or its duration.

The prince, who is King Salman's son, was accompanied by a ministerial delegation including Finance Minister Ibrahim al-Assaf and Commerce and Investment Minister Majid al-Qasabi.

Here is some of the spin control: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/deleted-official-report-says-saudi-key-funder-hillary-clinton-presidential-campaign-223282807

The Saudi Press Agency reported on Monday that the senior royal was due to fly to Washington where he will meet officials to discuss US-Saudi ties.

He will remain in the American capital until 16 June, when he will travel to New York for meetings with financial companies, the Saudi Gazette reported.

Prince Mohammed is to discuss regional issues with American officials, and he will hold talks with the financial companies about his vision for diversifying Saudi Arabia’s economy away from oil dependency.

Violet

15th June 2016, 08:04

If there were a shooting at a gay night club and the shooter was not Moslem, we would probably suspect that the came from a conservative, homophobic religious background and had issues with their own sexuality which led to mental illness and ended in violence.

I actually did consider that. In the early news reports it says Mateen used to speak about his father during his earlier visits to the club. And when they interviewed his father in the home setting it did have the looks of a conservative background.

bluestflame

15th June 2016, 08:56

found myself asking what else is in Orlando , kept getting the feeling we were missing something , the pulse business had been registered but registration lapsed in 2013 and hadn't been renewed , so in effect was operating without a license

Little Ishta

15th June 2016, 13:52

I believe it is a false flag as well. Yes, innocent people got killed and were wounded. With everything that has been going on, it comes across to me as a reduction of our population. What better way of doing it? Give guns to people and let them kill each other through fear and hatred? What about GMO? Vaccines? Hidden agendas. Tsk tsk. The world is a mess.

Inmortal719

15th June 2016, 14:28

It's always interesting to read the MSM headlines after one of these false flags, to see the agendas being pushed and what campaigns are coming up, as they are integral parts of the pysop. Here's a couple:

"Jihad in Orlando: How Can We Prevent Another Pulse Massacre?"

"Orlando nightclub shooter: Phones, computer examined for clues"

The first one is a doozy. A "jihad" in the Magic Kingdom. It's concluded in the headline that a "Muslim" did this horrible act in the Land of Mickey. How can we prevent another one? Why, by invading more Muslim countries of course!

The second one offers another solution to the created problem: Examine phones and computers. Everyone's! Submit to loss of all your private information to prevent another "Jihad!"

Here's another one, combining all the ingredients:

"Muslim terrorist kills French cop, wife while livestreaming on Facebook"

EEK! Another Mooozlum slaughtering innocent people! I sure hope Facebook can provide LAW ENFORCEMENT and SECURITY with valuable information to battle evil Moozlums!!

And people lap it up as truth.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/06/13/481284054/a-mass-shooter-pledges-allegiance-to-isis-what-does-this-mean

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2016/06/13/gunman-pledgers-allegiance-isis/

don't forget the ISIS related headlines emphasizing hate to muslim countries, people and giving more excuses for country invasions at the cost of American citizen civil rights taken off and supposedly USA welfare. Thats 2 birds in 1 shot.. it is all about control

Is there an actual recording of this phone call to 911 where Mateen pledged allegiance to ISIS? I haven't heard anything, so at this point any shooting can be related with whichever agenda they want..

A shooting happens and then ''Umm yeah we forgot to tell you that the shooter called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS''

Althena

15th June 2016, 14:54

http://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/orlando-fooled.png

Everyone is weighing in on the Orlando nightclub shooting event of Sunday June 6, 2016. Mainstream and alternative media, pundits, bloggers, editorials, writers, YouTubers and more. We are all talking about the event; and to begin with, this is one important point and deliberate intention of the event – to get us focusing on it. But that is not what this article is about. Events staged for political purposes are reaching a form of perfection when it comes to getting the agenda through. What am I talking about? Let’s review the recent Orlando shooting event from the top and see what agendas it serves.

No one can deny that this supposed mass shooting event that took place is perfectly in sync with the long list of agendas the ruling elite have. Agendas like:

1The gun grab and destruction of the 2nd amendment

2Keeping the public in fear and learned helplessness

3Boosting the police state

4Condoning the surveillance state and the need for more surveillance

5Dividing the people by (in this case) sexual orientation

6Reinforcement of and conditioning of the masses to martial law “lockdown” and destruction of the 4th amendment

7Reinforcing the ISIS psyop which they (the West and its NATO allies) created themselves and is the lifeline of the new world order

8Justifying and reinforcing the call for a global police due to ISIS super-mobile capabilities

9Distracting the public from the Bilderberg 2016 get together which was occurring at the time

These are just some of the ongoing agendas playing out in real-time, designed to steer the masses into believing certain narratives which are ultimately important for the ruling elite to obtain their final goals.

With that said, now let’s strip the veil from the Orlando shooting false flag “investigation” and reporting period which has followed the shooting event.

After being shown images and witness testimonies that lacked the full 3-dimensional reality as I outlined in my initial report, the mainstream media lying machine and the politicians quickly jumped on the “ISIS did it” script. Within practically minutes we were told shooter Omar Mateen called 911 himself and confirmed he was doing this for ISIS who he “pledges allegiance” to. This is just a revision of the “manifesto” tactic they usually put out. The controllers know that many of us (including myself) were waiting for the usual manifesto, and they delivered the manifesto in broad daylight, simply in another form. From this point on it seems the main point of this false flag event was accomplished because the whole point was to connect this event (as they did with the San Bernardino false flag) to ISIS with or without proof. But as usual they don’t have proof of this connection right? Actually, this is where I firmly believe the psyop begins so I urge all truth seekers to pay attention.

I have no doubt that Mateen or someone using this name is likely a patsy of some kind documented in FBI previous operations and investigations. Examples of mainstream media admitting the Mateen connection to FBI and or other agencies are here, here and here. Truth seekers should stop, think and take notice that even the mainstream media was eager to admit that the shooter had previous ties to FBI. Ask yourself, why would the mainstream media themselves so quickly admit this?

Another important observation I see is that one document reported by one website often begets hundreds of articles about the same document throughout the Internet. Think about that. That said, okay so the trail to Mateen, the patsy of choice, and his connection to FBI is important and seems credible but there’s more to this. Let’s go in another direction as we explore this topic further.

Let’s turn back the clock and consider the 9/11 globalist terrorist planned-and-coordinated attacks on America. What many truth seekers probably have never considered about 9/11 is that we heard many components of the lead-up to the September 11 attacks later revealed by Intelligence themselves that while truth seekers felt these components were confirmation of a false flag, these same components were used by those selling the official story as proof that the 19 hijackers did in fact do 9/11… due to “Intelligence failure” of course. What am I talking about? Recall that Intelligence sources came out posing as truth seekers and proving that things like ‘Operation Able Danger’ proves the US trained the hijackers, which I’m sure they likely did. Let’s take a closer look at Able Danger as posted on one research site:

According to today’s New York Times, a top secret unit of military intelligence identified four of the 9/11 hijackers as Al-Qaeda members in the summer of 2000.

More than a year before the Sept. 11 attacks, a small, highly classified military intelligence unit identified Mohammed Atta and three other future hijackers as likely members of a cell of Al Qaeda operating in the United States, according to a former defense intelligence official and a Republican member of Congress.

In the summer of 2000, the military team, known as Able Danger, prepared a chart that included visa photographs of the four men and recommended to the military’s Special Operations Command that the information be shared with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the congressman, Representative Curt Weldon of Pennsylvania, and the former intelligence official said Monday.

Reading and carefully considering this report provided by what at the time mainstream media told us was a “top secret unit of military intelligence” we have to now step back and consider a few things. This is the same mainstream media that to this day won’t look at WTC 7’s destruction or any of the ties to the criminal elements financially linked to 9/11. This is the same mainstream media that told us they found Mohammad Atta’s fully intact passport on the streets of New York City after surviving 3000-5000 degree heat from the explosive plane crash. And the same mainstream media unwilling to face the countless list of impossibilities and bizarre coincidences that point the blame back to the Bush/Cheney criminal cartel. This same untrustworthy news source at the time was now willing to admit that al-Qaeda terrorists were indeed training in the US and even learning to fly planes in Florida. What does this all mean and how does it all tie back to the recent shooting event in Orlando?

I urge truth seekers to be careful of “Intelligence” information put out by the FBI and mainstream media that is designed to make you believe that what happened was due to “Intelligence failure.” Haven’t we heard this many times before? Yes, truth seekers will see these anomalies as confirmation of a false flag and we should know about these anomalies, but the sheeple will see this as a sign of intelligence failure and thus … confirmation that the event was real! As in a real “ISIS” (or in the case of 9/11 al-Qaeda) threat that could perhaps have been stopped with more police state and surveillance state tactics. I see this as a clever way to introduce some truth (of corrupt staged terrorism) to use as a tool of mass deception, in this case to sell us on the idea that ISIS is real, that they really are here and that they are somehow a major threat to Americans. This will only benefit the US Military Industrial Complex and their thirst for more endless war in Syria and in the Middle East in the name of fighting ISIS.

In addition to the fact that the Orlando shooting event is all being delivered in the artificial 2-dimensional reality with things like no real bodies shown to us, no blood, no cell phone videos of the actual shooting, little to no ambulances or footage of any actual professional rescue workers saving lives, we’re being asked to simply accept the event as real and move on to the political consequences and “solutions.”

But hold on for a minute. Consider this wild proposition. What if we are all being played in ways we haven’t considered. For example, no one is saying that no one died. But what if this is what they are hoping to lure truth seekers into believing? Consider that the evidence they are showing the public would actually imply that maybe they are hiding something and that possibly no one died, but let’s all stop to think. What if creating confusion is the plan? Why is the mainstream media afraid to show the action shots of what really happened inside the club and instead are showing us the same 3 or 4 almost staged victims being carried away? Are they purposely trying to create the confusion luring truth seekers into declaring that no one died when in fact people died? If so, this would be the perfect way to make fools out of truth seekers wouldn’t it? Are you still with me?

So, I can’t help but to notice that as the controllers get better and better at staging these mass shootings which come in different varieties, they will often contribute themselves to pieces of “information” that actually have dual effects of both showing us it’s fake as many fine writers and contributors in the alternative media have pointed out to us regarding the shooter’s ties to the FBI etc., but to also actually endorse the “reality” of the event. This is a win-win situation for the controllers who have in previous false flags revealed many more details without seeing any threat to their story imposed.

For example, the controllers let slip out 2 distinct takes of the Virginia TV reporter shooting of Alison Parker in August of 2015 without any harm to their story in the eyes of the general public. They also allowed absolutely conflicting stories about the identity of the shooter as well as the number of shooters when they pulled off the San Bernardino false flag, and we don’t have to go over the long list of obvious anomalies with Sandy Hook. I could go on and on but the point is that in the new reality we are living in, anomalies are acceptable because the system can work with these anomalies and move on. They already know they can get away with huge mistakes and still sell their “event.”

Recall Sandy Hook psyop “doctor” Carver basically telling us all to our faces that he hoped this event wouldn’t come “crashing down on the people of Newtown.” It didn’t and the Sandy Hook crisis actors did get away with it.

We are living in a new reality and everyone must pay attention and stop falling for the bits and pieces of “information” the controllers are willing to let you figure out. This is my main message and warning to all.

Yes we know it’s possible the accused patsy had ties to FBI, we should expect this. And yes we should expect the usual FBI-terrorism connection and failed “sting” events. But in the larger picture all of this is just details of the same script that they have planned for us. This is a script and a plan that the controllers are now very good at. They are way ahead of humanity, and in order to fight the information war we are in we must come above them and know all (not some) of their tactics. Knowing what their goals and agendas are is a good place to start.

So in this sense I believe everyone (even including myself) is being fooled in some way by this latest psyop shooting event as we try to wrap our minds around the event and make sense of it. Again, remember, the controllers are way ahead of us. In the words of the ‘smoking man’ of the old TV series X-Files: “Trust no man Mulder … ”

I love the way Bernie thinks. An eye opener to say the least.

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/this-is-how-everyone-is-being-fooled-by-the-orlando-shooting-psyop-event.html

Cidersomerset

15th June 2016, 14:55

some articles from D.Ickes headline page.....

Orlando Shooter: Deeper Hidden Ties To The FBI?

By David on 15 June 2016 GMT

ACTIVIST POST.....

Orlando Shooter: Deeper Hidden Ties to the FBI?

TOPICS:FBIJon RappoportOrlando Shooting.
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June 14, 2016

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By Jon Rappoport

“…Michael German, a former F.B.I. agent who researches national security law at
New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, told the Times, ‘They’re [the FBI]
manufacturing terrorism cases.’” (The New Yorker, June 10, 2016, “Do FBI Stings
help fight against ISIS?” by Evan Osnos)

The website Cryptogon has pieced together some interesting facts, and a quite odd
“coincidence.” I’m bolstering their work.

First of all, the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, changed his name in 2006. As NBC
News notes: “Records also show that he had filed a petition for a name change in
2006 from Omar Mir Seddique to Omar Mir Seddique Mateen.”

Why is that important? Why is his original last name, Seddique, also spelled Siddiqui,
significant? Because of a previous terrorism case in Florida, in which the FBI informant’s
name was Siddiqui. And because that previous case may have been one of those FBI
prop-jobs, where the informant was used to falsely accuse a suspect of a terrorist act.
The New Yorker (cited above) has details:

Read More....
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/orlando-shooter-ties-to-the-fbi.html

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The 'Fog Of Breaking News' In Orlando Clears Path For The Gun-Control Agenda

By David on 15 June 2016 GMT Problem-Reaction-Solution

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‘Timeline compilation of how the Orlando shooting story unfolded in the media and
where independent researchers are already picking apart the narrative and exposing
actors in this event. The agenda couldn’t be more naked.’

The "Fog of Breaking News" in Orlando

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Published on 14 Jun 2016

Yes, but there's always more.

Truthstream Can Be Found Here:
Website: http://TruthstreamMedia.com
FB: http://Facebook.com/TruthstreamMedia
Twitter: @TruthstreamNews
Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/bbxcWX

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UN rights chief calls for more US gun control in wake of Orlando massacre

By David on 15 June 2016 GMT War and Terror

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‘The mass murder of 49 people in Orlando again shows that the United States must
consider heightened gun-control measures to protect its most vulnerable citizens,
the United Nations human rights commissioner has said.

Zeid Ra’ad Zeid Al Hussein, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, implored
American leaders to finally address easy access to firearms and the resulting high
volume of gun violence that is now pervasive in the US.’

Read more: UN rights chief calls for more US gun control in wake of Orlando massacre

https://www.rt.com/usa/346664-gun-control-un-human-rights/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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Orlando gunman's wife, Noor Salman, 'may face charges'

7 hours ago

The wife of the gunman who killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando could
face charges in connection with the attack, according to reports.

Prosecutors have convened a grand jury to investigate Noor Salman, wife of
gunman Omar Mateen, sources quoted by Fox News and Reuters say.

She is reported to have told police she tried to talk her husband out of attacking
the Pulse nightclub.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36535441

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Orlando shootings: Trump to push for tighter gun laws
1 hour ago
From the section US & Canada

Republican Donald Trump has said he would like people on terror watch lists to be
prevented from buying guns, in the wake of the Orlando shootings.The presumptive
presidential nominee tweeted that he would meet the National Rifle Association to
discuss the issue.The NRA responded by saying it would meet him but it already
opposes terrorists from buying guns.

Read more...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36540388

Carmody

15th June 2016, 15:02

Add to the list the US Airforce announcing that it has 'somehow' lost all the data for 100,000 investigations into fraud.

Which is impossible, as there are ALWAYS back ups for back ups for back ups, especially when dealing with digital data, and especially for 100,000 investigations into fraud.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91344-U.S.-Air-Force-has-lost-records-about-100-000-investigations&p=1075180#post1075180

risveglio

15th June 2016, 17:13

If this one is not real then I really need to question some of my friends since more than one claim to know a victim.

Bingo

15th June 2016, 19:15

I think we (Europe/US) are looking at a well-disguised trojan camel. The goal would be to implement sharia law in the WestIn other words, it's a takeover, and so far we are the fools.

NeedleThreader

15th June 2016, 19:47

This from the huffingtonpost: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-launch-filibuster-on-guns_us_57617afae4b0df4d586ec7b5 Sandy Hook Senator Vows to Hold Floor (filibuster) for as long as he can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFQr-2j5PNQ

WASHINGTON — Led by the senators who represent Newtown, Connecticut — where a gunman fatally shot 26 people, including 20 children, in 2012 — Democrats took control of the Senate floor Wednesday and vowed to keep talking until lawmakers start doing something about gun violence.

“Newtown is still putting itself back together, probably will be for a long time,” said Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), who launched the filibuster-style takeover, declaring it was time for the Senate to do something about gun violence beyond the usual ineffective debates.

He said lawmakers could not go about business as usual after a mass killing at a gay club in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday claimed 49 victims.

“This is a different moment today than it was at the end of last week,” Murphy said. “There is a newfound imperative for this body to find a way to come together and take action, to try to do our part to stem this epidemic of gun violence and in particular this epidemic of mass shootings.”

Cidersomerset

15th June 2016, 21:20

This was recorded before Mateen's homosexuality allegations and covers a wide
range of related topics.......

What Happened at Orlando Shooting - Jim Fetzer

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Published on 14 Jun 2016

Author of Nobody Died at Sandy Hook, Jim Fetzer, shares his
knowledge of false flag events using crisis actors to shed light
on the shooting in Orlando. Learn more at http://freemantv.com/
Music by Molecular http://www.molecularband.com/

Curious77

15th June 2016, 23:33

"...Michael German, a former F.B.I. agent who researches national security law at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, told the Times, 'They're [the FBI] manufacturing terrorism cases.'" (The New Yorker, June 10, 2016, "Do FBI Stings help fight against ISIS?" by Evan Osnos)

And an odd coincidence --

First of all, the Orlando shooter, Omar Mateen, changed his name in 2006. As NBC News notes: "Records also show that he had filed a petition for a name change in 2006 from Omar Mir Seddique to Omar Mir Seddique Mateen."

Why is that important? Why is his original last name, Seddique, also spelled Siddiqui, significant? Because of a previous terrorism case in Florida, in which the FBI informant's name was Siddiqui. And because that previous case may have been one of those FBI prop-jobs, where the informant was used to falsely accuse a suspect of a terrorist act. The New Yorker (cited above) has details:

Btw, the informant was paid $126,000 plus expenses.

The FBI has an odd way of being entangled with these violent events --
I didn't see any of the photographic coverage of the shootings so I can't venture an opinion on "actors" --
but my opinion rests in the fact that the FBI was there re the first attack on the WTC in '93, it was there in Oklahoma re the bombing of the Murrah Bldg. -- and it was again involved with the suspects in the Boston Bombing which actually looked like an exercise in putting a major city under lockdown.

Basically, even before the end of WWII, corrupt members of our government were moving the Gestapo from Germany to the US as the CIA. And, they were bringing in the manpower to found it as well in the form of former-Nazis. Numbers suggest 64,000 brought in, which included family members. Wiki's numbers are low.

See: Operation Mockingbird
See: Operation Paperclip

The right wing can only rise via violence -- stolen elections, lies, propaganda.
That's always been true and it's still true today.

We may have "same sex marriage today" -- but our intelligence agencies represent elite patriarchy and they're not much for feminism, or homosexuality, or any religion which isn't Christian.

Yetti

15th June 2016, 23:49

As many others , it looks like an MJ-12 operation,, aka manchurian candidate , Too convenient for pushing gov agendas.

CD7

16th June 2016, 01:00

Hummm....funny ( but not haha) how many different angles this poop storm is getting...

For those on FB ...there's a page called " Garfield youth 4 truth" there's a video I can't seem to copy of an interview with a black girl explaining what she overheard the gun men saying to 911....she states he called 911 and said that he wants America to stop bombing his country Syria ...that's why he did it (paraphrasing)....haven't seen it posted . ..being here and seeing all this time being spent figuring the "details" seems a major distraction for something else...

ghostrider

16th June 2016, 01:37

Watch for 40 plus funerals in that county, or not... they didn't show 40 bodies being taken out and loaded into hearses... im curious about the local paper, if they announced 40 plus viewings/wakes...

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 01:46

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 01:59

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Here's more evidence of a staged terror event:

Here's the RT.Com video, showing non-medical personnel evacuating rather healthy looking "victims" of the "Massacre in Orlando" ... walking the wrong way, past the Dunkin Donuts shop, towards the Pulse night club ... not away from the crime scene ... but towards it. At 1:08, one of the "victims" is loaded into a black pickup truck. I seen no sign of ambulances or Emergency Medical Technicians.
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There is so much wrong with this ... what a joke.

Some bastards must be chuckling in their soup, at how gullible most of us are.

Bill Ryan

16th June 2016, 02:13

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Yes, a lot of things are not right. Bumping this video posted by Cidersomerset, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075196&viewfull=1#post1075196). Just 7 mins... well worth watching, as well as Paul's immediately above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075339&viewfull=1#post1075339).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfufT0F-4_A

ulli

16th June 2016, 02:13

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 02:30

No ambulances and no professional medical emergency personnel were seen outside the club.
No emergency triage tarps or facilities were set up.
I just realized why this was so.

"They" would not want a real medic observing what was going on at such a staged event.

Many (most?) medics, including some who are veterans of our wars in the Middle East, have both (1) courage and (2) experience dealing with gun shot wounds in chaotic situations. That's an unacceptable mix at staged events. Such medics would see things, and some of them would say things.

Such must not be allowed.

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 02:34

The other thing that baffles me is how the MSM can still recruit so many writers and general staff to work as liars and deceivers of the public, unless they give them a darn good reason for doing such a dirty job.
Most people simply don't want to, have been trained to be unable to, doubt the word of "authority".

P.S. -- We live in the land of the free -- we get to pick which sports team, religious priest, political leader, or public figure to believe :)

Bill Ryan

16th June 2016, 02:41

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[Mod note] — Two threads merged. Also moved from Current Events to Conspiracy Research.

giovonni

16th June 2016, 02:56

Here's a quick summary list of the anomalies that the above report documents in more detail (plus a couple items from my previous list posted above):
One more to add to the list: Shades of San Bernardino: Orlando shooters apt. left wide open for media (TruNews.com) (http://www.trunews.com/shades-of-san-bernardino-orlando-shooters-apt-left-wide-open-for-media/)This article states that:
Mateen left his gun license and ID badge inside his apartment, and that it was discovered neatly laid out in the same fashion as the Farook’s documents in their San Bernardino residence
Good grief - the incompetence of the FBI and local authorities is so blatant - making the same mistakes repeatedly - it must be intended.

Yes, it must be intended.
That has been my suspicion for quite some time now. These clues are left for a purpose...perhaps to test where the masses are at, in terms of getting it.
The other thing that baffles me is how the MSM can still recruit so many writers and general staff to work as liars and deceivers of the public, unless they give them a darn good reason for doing such a dirty job.
Or is it really just about money?

Yes for the most part ...

There are still enough surprise nuances played out into the script to keep most of the general off balance ... And for those in the MSM media that have their suspicions - the pressures are likely too enormous for taking on (families - monies - stature etc ... Though i sense for those with any real integrity the wait/watching is beginning to change-up ... While personally prowling the media bandwidths & wavelengths - I am noticing now some subtle off script leakage bleeding into the ongoing MSM daily spill ... Too much fear mongering can rattle any cage.

Bill Ryan

16th June 2016, 03:02

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Here's a copy of the mods Skype chat between myself, Paul, Chip, and Jean-Marie, just a few minutes ago:

Bill: I've been watching this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rfufT0F-4_A
from this post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075196&viewfull=1#post1075196
Something may really not be right with the Orlando thing.
That's a 7 minute YT video on some of the anomalies... worth watching.

Paul: No kidding - something's wrong - as ** usual ** with such events. See my posts on the Orlando thread, such as post #142 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075113&viewfull=1#post1075113, and my two latest posts, at the bottom of the same page

Bill: Yes, read :thumbsup:

Paul: :thumbsup:
My theory is that one of the divisions they are aggravating within the populace is the division between us tin foil hat conspiracy theory nut cases, and the ordinary sensible people who mostly trust their news sources and public leaders (</sarcasm> on choice of terms, of course). What's sad is how outrageously obvious they have to make the staging, in order to get even a small minority of people to notice and be skeptical, early on after an event.

Bill: Yes

Paul: A search for "Orlando hoax fake staged" on YouTube offers up dozens of such videos (well, perhaps more, I only scrolled down the first couple of pages of them)
When something is this well covered on YouTube, it is not unintended

Bill: Yes. It's all going as planned (one feels)
The entire thing about volunteer-assisted evac like that is a ridiculous joke. Chip will know. He's had the training.
Many years ago, I once was at the scene of an accident and started on my own to move an injured climber who had fallen. The mountain rescue team arrived and gave me several different kinds of hell. It was good learning. I could have done all kind of further damage in my naivete.

Paul: Apparently medics are more available in those mountains, than they were in Orlando, Florida, that Saturday evening :)
Ah - they don't want real medics at such a staged event - might be someone who came back from Iraq, as a medic, that would be too dangerous - balls and knowledge - a dangerous mix at a staged event

Chip: Proper medics are not going to let civilians evac injured like that. Especially after the gunman was secured.
It looks staged!

Paul: Well, if you look - those "injured" would have been safe to evac like that - their injuries appear to be such things as a bloodied sock :)
Can you imagine being the one buffalo out of 1,000 in a herd, who realizes that every fall, the local human Indian tribe drives a stampede of buffalo off a cliff, same cliff every time? How would you tell your other buffalo friends and family to not run that way?

Chip: Bill, can you get an email to Todd Hathaway about this? I would love to hear his opinion

Bill: My strong guess is that proper medical supervision (at least one paramedic-trained police officer) wouldn't allow anyone to be moved at all. That's surely protocol, unless they could walk unassisted.

Paul: Move only if easily ambulatory, or if some immediate danger, like a fire or explosion or building collapse threatened them where they were ... until they could be triaged and moved safely

Bill: Yes. Only move if in further danger.

Chip: Yes, it would depend on the scene. They could have very well been asked to assist with minor injury movements in a triage scenario

Paul: That's not what's happening here ... no medics present to ask
(and carrying the "victims" the wrong way - towards the club)

Chip: The ER on lockdown? Lack of ambulances?

Bill: But police direct the scene. That's their job.

Paul: -total- lack of ambulances - in Orlando - on a Saturday night ? Not credible
(and no ambulances seen coming or going from the local emergency rooms - which were, unlike the patsy's apartment, made off limits to the press)

Chip: Yes, someone was directing this but not the Police

Paul: Yes

Bill: If a police officer told some civilians to carry an injured person to the hospital, and they dropped the guy on his head, or didn't recognize a sudden seizure... the police i/c would be liable.
Just never done.

Chip: Yes Bill, absolutely

Bill: Jean-Marie will also know. She's trained in all this stuff.

Paul: In one of the videos I posted, some civilians carrying a guy (who looked healthier than I am) were stopped by the police and ordered to dump (rather clumsily) the "victim" into the back of a black pickup truck, which sped off
Trying to follow the plot of this staged event by watching YouTube videos has about as much chance of succeeding as viewing behind the stage showing a Shakespearean play has of revealing the plot of that play to us

Chip: It's hard to make out what is really happening. Like it was shot intentionally this way...

Jean-Marie: In an emergency situation, the people would have been triaged, right there until ambulances arrived. We have MABAS system in our town. Mutual Aid Box System. If two of our ambulances are out, another town sends one of theirs to our station. We are never without an ambulance in each of our two firehouses.
Same with the firetrucks.
Within 5 minutes, 10 minutes 15 minutes we can have additional ambulances arrive in our town from other communities. We all provide mutual aid to each other.

Paul: They had 3 hours from the start of the shooting, until the SWAT team stormed the patsy in the club's bathroom ... that was enough time to bring ambulances all the way from Tampa for God's sakes

Jean-Marie: The triage area is setup in four areas. Walking wounded, delayed and immediate. The fourth one for the deceased is moved to an area so that the victims don't have to be traumatized further by seeing the dead bodies, etc.
The firemen, the CERT team, the Police, we're all trained with the same system.
No one is allowed to drive anyone to the hospital or walk them to the hospital, etc. Only the ambulances.

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 03:23

Even Paul Craig Roberts, the US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan in 1981, doesn't believe the official story.

From My Several Million Readers Are Unable To Help Me Prove The Official Story (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/14/my-several-million-readers-are-unable-to-help-me-prove-the-official-story/):

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My Several Million Readers Are Unable To Help Me Prove The Official Story

As not a single one of my several hundred thousand readers of this site plus the several million who read repostings on other sites and translations abroad have been able to find a shred of evidence that corroborates the official story of the Orlando mass shooting, I close my attempt to prove the government’s case.

In the URL below is an account that is likely overall correct. However, the author, in an attempt to marshall all possible evidence against the US government, inadvertantly buys into the government’s account, as so many skeptics do. The author says that Mateen, like Tsarnaev, “was known to the authorities, who let him proceed unfettered.”

By involving authorities as permissive accomplices, the author undermines the account that it was a false flag attack.

So many skeptics do this that it makes you wonder.

https://memoryholeblog.com/2016/06/14/orlando-nightclub-shooting-questions-and-anomalies-surround-worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history/

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Here's Paul Craig Roberts original piece on this event, from a couple days ago: Orlando Shooting (http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-paul-craig-roberts/). He lays out an intelligent, reasonable, case for this being a staged event, with a number of good points, including some that I have not seen mentioned above in this thread. It's a well written article, and perhaps more accessible to well read, but more main stream, readers than Youtube videos.

bluestflame

16th June 2016, 08:08

risveglio

16th June 2016, 11:51

Wouldn't nazis be the far left?

bluestflame

16th June 2016, 12:02

Ed Royce, "Gunga Dana" Rohrabacher and Orlando Shooter's Dad, Sittin' in a Tree

"Due to a lack of planning, and resultant economic crisis, I, Seddique Mateen, am declaring myself as a candidate for the presidency in order to rescue Afghanistan," he says in a video dated May 23, 2015.

"Afghanistan's sovereignty is in danger due to the free hand of foreigners on our territory, and the result is that 95 percent of the country is not under the government's control," he said in reference to Pakistan.

Daniel Hopsicker's MadCowNews describes the father of the monster who slaughtered 50 people in an Orlando nightclub shooting Saturday night as "a longtime CIA asset." In March, Mateen was granted a corporate license by the State of Florida to operate his group called The Provisional Government of Afghanistan.

Kabul-based political analyst Ahmad Saeedi reportedly told the Associated Press that few in Afghanistan know who Mateen is, noting that his videos only generate views in the hundreds.

http://images1.ocweekly.com/imager/u/745xauto/7261445/ed-royce_seddique-mateen_facebook-seddique-mateen.jpg

from here http://www.ocweekly.com/news/ed-royce-gunga-dana-rohrabacher-and-orlando-shooters-dad-sittin-in-a-tree-7261008

my personal feeling on all this is we're being setup to take the real future event a long time in the making as a false flag event losing critical time pulling it apart before the truth dawns it is the real thing , lets be honest , we all know something big is and has been coming , for now we're just being played with

walk4peace

16th June 2016, 12:34

Beneath the Media

I heard he was on anti-depressants, like many shooters. Could he have been manipulated by the CIA to create a smokescreen to divert attention from something bigger, like 911 one day after the pentagon discloses it lost one trillion dollars? That was also "Muslim Terrorists" which led us into wars and so many deaths. “Wag The Dog” I also heard someone was blocking the door for exits. I'm looking beneath the Media. Thanks in advance for any insights or corrections.
XXX: WOW! And why did it take 3 hours for Police to get into the club?

No survivors, no questions or loose ends.

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 14:33

am unsure of the validity of this info but am posting it for research

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Where the heck did that come from ? Good research is aided by references and links.

(I presume that the "SMPD" in your imaged text refers to "Santa Monica Police Department".)

There are multiple reports of James Wesley Howell being arrested in Los Angeles, with some serious explosives and firepower in his car. He was on parole from Indiana, under orders to not have guns. He's in jail now, awaiting his next court hearing. See for example this Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html) report. If James Wesley Howell is connected with Omar Mateen by CIA training or such, that has been scrubbed from anything I can find on the Web now.

Silo

16th June 2016, 14:43

Hervé

16th June 2016, 15:01

Orlando shooting: actor/witness: what? (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/orlando-shooting-actorwitness-what/)

By Jon Rappoport (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/author/jonrappoport/) Jun16 (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/orlando-shooting-actorwitness-what/), 2016

Want to get this one out fast…

See a post on anomalies in the Orlando shooting, at the site, Fellowship of the Minds (https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/), by “Dr. Eowyn.”

See: Orlando gay-club shooting: The pieces that don’t fit (https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/15/orlando-gay-club-shooting-the-pieces-that-dont-fit/)

The Eowyn post mentions mainstream press articles reporting the shooting—those mainstream articles appeared six hours before the Orlando shooting actually occurred. That’s rather curious, yes?

But the Eowyn revelation that cooked my brain was about a Pulse-club “witness to the shooting,” Louis Burbano, who is an actor. An actual actor with credits. He was interviewed by ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos. Eowyn shows an IMDb screenshot of Burbano’s most recent role in a short 2015 video: Burbano played a “club patron.” The title of the video? “Spirit of Orlando: Shooting Up.”

Now we’re through the looking-glass. Way through the looking-glass.

Jon Rappoport

Ba-ba-Ra

16th June 2016, 15:58

Pulse Shooter Has Acting Background, Key Witness Are Directors and Actors!

https://www.youtube.com/user/DAHBOO77

Cidersomerset

16th June 2016, 16:38

Father of Orlando Shooter is Long-time CIA Asset

By David on 16 June 2016 GMT

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Father of Orlando Shooter is Long-time CIA Asset

June 15, 2016 By 21wire 6 Comments

21st Century Wire says…

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The Orlando Shooting. Many things are just not right with this story, including the father
of the alleged shooter Omar Mateen, an Afghan-American, Seddique Mateen, who is closely
linked to some of the most powerful leaders and agencies in Washington DC.

Above is a photo of Omar’s father after a meeting at the US State Dept. in Washington DC
where he met with “officials”, but oddly, no log of his visit is available in the public record.

The alleged shooter’s father played an absolute key role in setting up the entire “hate crime”
narrative by inserting this quote into the MSM machine during the immediate aftermath of
the sensationalized media event.’

Read more: Father of Orlando Shooter is Long-time CIA Asset

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START Known Wolves : Orlando – & a French Police Officer killed
8:10 comparison with Beslan School Massacre in Russia
12:00 Dunblane : Occulted documentation and Multiple Shooters
13:20 shooter visited nightclub & was a member of gay dating app
14:40 candidate in Afghan Presidential race : father of the shooter
19:30 G4S shares fall as gunman confirmed as a former employee
22:10 radical imam linked to security services within a web of lies
30:00 terrorist connections tie extensively into intelligence circles
33:50 Media blitz post Orlando features crowd-funding appeals
39:10 GCHQ : the British intelligence establishment & sadism
43:40 parasitical law firms rely on the State at vast public cost
47:30 link between Bilderberg & the #EUReferendumPsyOp
52:00 Deutsche Bank predicts revaluation of £ after Brexit
53:50 Alex Thompson Book Review : ‘And Into The Fire’

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/06/15/father-of-orlando-shooter-is-long-time-cia-asset/

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In contrast a relitively rare ' shooter' news item breaking in the UK

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Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

4 minutes ago
From the section England

Read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304

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Jo Cox was the Labour MP for Batley and Spen

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16th June 2016, 19:01

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Agape

16th June 2016, 19:57

I'm almost having a deja-vu , from the times of the Boston marathon bombings .

Beneath the Media

I heard he was on anti-depressants, like many shooters. Could he have been manipulated by the CIA to create a smokescreen to divert attention from something bigger, like 911 one day after the pentagon discloses it lost one trillion dollars? That was also "Muslim Terrorists" which led us into wars and so many deaths. “Wag The Dog” I also heard someone was blocking the door for exits. I'm looking beneath the Media. Thanks in advance for any insights or corrections.
XXX: WOW! And why did it take 3 hours for Police to get into the club?

No survivors, no questions or loose ends.

Yes there are plenty of survivors and witnesses , I'm not sure how many people were in that night club but from what it seems it was pretty jam packed ,
according to the MSM there are at least 51 people injured and many more back home in shock.

Keep checking the youtube for 'Orlando witnesses' :

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=orlando+witnesses

It does make sense that everyone who was in there and survived are in shock and won't be happy to give public testimonies and statements immediately .

So ..there are many questions and many lose ends .

'Something bigger' ? Are you all kidding me . I understand it's not 'big enough' for anyone here on the forum to be taken seriously,
unless it was covering major leak in Pentagon and I do respect your freedom of speech and everything but try to understand ,
no matter your derealisation level that the stakes are high it happened ,

with few tens or hundred witnesses ,

now , that's an answer to couple of other posters from me ..

anyone thinking it's all staged , please ... why not go to the site itself and investigate ,
especially if you're so good in detective work ,

I thought there's a school for it , I was obviously all wrong . I just can quote from memory ( as complete non-prof in this area ) that people closed and jam packed in tight space, albeit possibly drunk people, get disoriented easily and where from they heard the gun shots and how many people were shooting is not always reliable .
( to me this sounds weird enough for one man killing so many people at once )

Or maybe just go there somebody to express sympathy and see in your own eyes how all the families of the victims exist or not and what's for real.

Unfortunately and until the following kind of 'religious sentiment' is going to be debated in open ( no we can't ) ,
the feeling of being wronged will continue to be stuck with half of population of this planet at least , and not because they're 'gay' but because we are not familiar with the phenomenon ,
it's one being vilified and illegal in many countries, cultures and religions as of today and simply for living in illusion of todays 'free society' these strong prohibitions , tabus and sentiments do not simply go away because we declare them 'illusory'.

Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: ‘The tragedy is that more of them didn’t die’ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/14/pastor-refuses-to-mourn-orlando-victims-the-tragedy-is-that-more-of-them-didnt-die/)

77 countries where homosexuality is illegal (https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/)

Anyone ?

:flower::flower::flower:

bluestflame

16th June 2016, 19:58

"The real truth of the story was released to a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who works for Get Off the BS by two Santa Monica police officers that have been issued gag orders under threat of Federal prosecution for talking further talking about the incident."

http://getoffthebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Screen-Shot-2016-06-13-at-1.50.24-PM-copy-768x727.png

http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/

from here : http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/

According to two department sources, Howell called the Santa Monica police on Sunday morning claiming that he needed protection from the CIA. Howell further elaborated to the dispatcher stating that he “had been set up by the CIA – they are going to kill me.”

Howell additionally stated that, “everything has gone south. Dan was gone when I got here. They killed the leader of the Florida attack this morning. They are going to kill me. I need protection.”

“When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out….I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell.

Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”

“We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”

(edit to add ) this felt the most right of all the info i'd come across

ThePythonicCow

16th June 2016, 20:52

anyone thinking it's all staged , please ... why not go to the site itself and investigate ,
It's quite possible that (1) tragic deaths, injuries and trauma occurred, while at the same time (2) what we're being told happened is a fabrication, and what we're being shown happened is in good part staged.

I am finding and have been posting substantial and varied evidence that we're being lied to.

I am not claiming that nothing bad really happened. I suspect something really bad did happen, but of a nature and quantity kept from us, by agents, handlers, provocateurs, mercenaries and agencies kept hidden from us, for reasons not told to us.

This is the usual, in my estimation. Take or make a problem, then lie big time as to what the problem is, so as to cause the various destructive consequences intended for our society, and so as to justify whatever public actions are planned next.

giovonni

16th June 2016, 21:07

transitionalman

16th June 2016, 21:41

robinr1

16th June 2016, 22:28

imo Nazis should be considered along with fascism......and the extreme far right

Wouldn't nazis be the far left?

giovonni

16th June 2016, 22:42

I haven't had the time to go through every post in this thread, and was wondering if anyone has seen this before. I came across this video by a truthseeker on youtube. This is a clip of Omar Mateen working some kind of guard patrol a few years back during the BP oil spill.
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Yes - the MSM is playing a phone video of him (guarding a checkpoint) talking to a person in a car
making an access inquiry into a restricted area.

risveglio

16th June 2016, 23:15

imo Nazis should be considered along with fascism......and the extreme far right

Wouldn't nazis be the far left?
That's silly. Fascism is definitely far left.

Bill Ryan

16th June 2016, 23:24

imo Nazis should be considered along with fascism......and the extreme far right

Wouldn't nazis be the far left?
That's silly. Fascism is definitely far left.

Actually, it's a circle (not a joke). Not a left-right spectrum at all.

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/political-theory-and-ideology-25903/95/political-theory-and-ideology-72-728.jpg

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Nasu

17th June 2016, 04:27

I don't have much to ad, other than this is hinky as heck.

As a self proclaimed weapons expert here, I can tell you that the guy who saw a bullet poking out of someone about two inches long is complete bs. The only bullet that could do that is an anti aircraft bullet. The size of the gun that could shoot that size of bullet is always mounted, no exceptions, on a boat, on a ship, on the back of a truck, etc, but impossible to hold individualy as they are too big to carry, even for three capable people.

Apparently the shooter used a pistol and an ar15 rifle. The larger caliber, being the rifle is either 556 or 223, or 223 wylde which is a hybrid of the two. Essentially it is a 22 caliber sized projectile, or bullet, but with much more powder, so it can go farther with continued concussive force and accuracy. This bullet is smaller than your thumb nail, when shot from the casing or shell, not two inches or so in length, ever.

By comparison a 50 cal bullet, once shot out of its shell is as long as your last knuckle to the point of your thumb, at most, again not as long as the two inches this chap saw poking out of someone... This round is the largest portable one man ballistic bullet that snipers or soldiers use in battle today....

It's a lie, in plain talk, it's impossible to see a projectile of the size described poking out of someone, coming from an ar15. As for the rest, it smells to high heaven to me..... N

Cidersomerset

17th June 2016, 12:33

Various articles from the headline page......

Orlando 'Known Wolf' Watched by FBI, Worked with DHS, Amid Crisis Actors, Drills & CI’s

By David on 17 June 2016 GMT Problem-Reaction-Solution, War and Terror

https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/orlando-nightclub-shooting-crime-scene-slider-21WIRE-SH-2.jpg

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ORLANDO ‘KNOWN WOLF’ Watched by FBI, Worked with DHS, Amid Crisis Actors, Drills & CI’s

June 16, 2016 By Shawn Helton 3 Comments

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Shawn Helton
21st Century Wire

‘Orlando’s Pulse nightclub shooting is said to be the largest mass shooting in
American history and in less than 24 hours, investigators already determined
the incident to be an “ISIS-related” attack prior to a any investigation or
forensic analysis.

In this report we will attempt to answer a number of questions about a number
of anomalies and unlikely coincidences surrounding this global media event.
We’re told that this tragic attack was carried out by an international security
firm employee turned ‘radicalized’ gunman – but is there more to the story?’

Read more: Orlando ‘Known Wolf’ Watched by FBI, Worked with DHS, Amid Crisis Actors, Drills & CI’s

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/06/16/orlando-known-wolf-watched-by-fbi-worked-with-dhs-amid-crisis-actors-drills-cis/

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The Dude Drops Orlando Shooting Hoax Truth Bomb LIVE on TV

By David on 17 June 2016 GMT

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Orlando Shooter's Wife: The FBI Told Me Not to Tell the Media He Was Gay

By David on 17 June 2016 GMT Coverups, Problem-Reaction-Solution

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‘The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation told the former wife of the Orlando
shooter Omar Mateen, Sitora Yusufiy, not to speak of his homosexuality or the fact
that she, his family and others believed he was gay, Yusufiy’s current fiance, Marco
Dias, told a Brazilian TV channel in an interview.

Dias told the Brazilian television station SBT Brazil Tuesday that Yusufiy believed
Mateen was gay and that his father called him gay several times in front of her.
However, “the FBI asked her not to tell this to the American media.” Since the
attack, Mateen has been dubbed an “Islamic terrorist” by politicians, senior officials
and commentators in the U.S. following reports he had pledged allegiance to the
Islamic State group. However, the idea that he could have been a closet-
homosexual indicates that the Orlando shooting might have been a deeply felt and
personal act of hate.’

Read more: Orlando Shooter’s Wife: The FBI Told Me Not to Tell the Media He Was Gay

http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/fbi-told-orlando-shooters-wife-not-tell-us-media-he-was-gay

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Greenscreen Fakery?

By David on 17 June 2016 GMT

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Orlando Shooter Wasn’t the First Murderer Employed By Global Mercenary Firm G4S

By David on 17 June 2016 GMT Corporate Crime, War and Terror

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‘The man who shot over 100 people and killed 49 in an Orlando nightclub Saturday
worked at a retirement home as a security guard for G4S – a giant, often
controversial global contracting corporation that provides mercenary forces, prison
guards and security services. G4S is one of the world’s largest private security
companies, with more than 620,000 employees and a presence in over 100
countries.

G4S confirmed in a statement that Omar Mateen had worked for the company since
2007, and said it was “shocked and saddened” by the shooting. A later statement
said that Mateen was subject to “detailed company screening” in 2007 and again in
2013, “with no adverse findings.”

But one of Mateen’s former coworkers told the New York Times that he “saw it
coming,” that Mateen “talked about killing people all the time,” and that he
was “always angry, sweating, just angry at the world.”’

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Read more: Orlando Shooter Wasn’t the First Murderer Employed By Global
Mercenary Firm G4S

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/14/orlando-shooter-wasnt-the-first-murderer-employed-by-global-mercenary-firm/

Cidersomerset

17th June 2016, 13:15

Althena

17th June 2016, 13:22

This is pretty funny or sad or embarrassing, I'm not sure anymore...

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Bill Ryan

17th June 2016, 15:39

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This is an interesting little video, just out. It comes from a skeptic who's clearly an intelligent man.

His comments at the beginning (the first minute and a half) about parts of the alternative media, are quite insightful. But he's tarring everyone in the alternative community with the same brush. Some YouTubers are kind of hysterical, not all that bright, may not have had that great an education, and even may be unbalanced in some way. Others, though, are quite the opposite.

The presenter here (despite the video title) doesn't address any of the major anomalies in the story, in particular the lack of ambulances and the total lack of any universally-followed EMT (Emergency Medical Treatment) protocol.

I know someone who has talked with trained and qualified EMT personnel about this incident, and they were all adamant, and rather incredulous, that every regular protocol about the treatment of casualties in a major city was broken with absolutely no apparent reason.

They did absolutely nothing according to the book here. The manual ferrying of injured people to a hospital using unqualified civilians who happened to be there is never ever ever ever done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUF_-QTllRY

Agape

17th June 2016, 16:25

Actually, it's a circle (not a joke). Not a left-right spectrum at all.

I like that pie chart Bill , I used to say about the far right and far left that
if you go far enough they meet...LOL.....

Hitler and Stalin did have a peace treaty and both carved up Poland in 1939....

History does repeat itself over again with subtle and sometimes not so subtle
agenda . 9/11 the neo - con 'New Pearl Harbour' event just one of many false flag
and psyops going on and repeated over and over.....

My thoughts as well . The most sinister facet of events like this is , in my opinion : shooting to some of the least well researched and understood sentiments of humanity,
that is wounding a wound that isn't open to healing .
Events like this can trigger a chain reaction and even world war just because no one understands precisely what will be the outcome of actions taken , for or against .

It sort of targets the fact that the 'power structures' agreed on terms , or are forced to agree on terms , diplomatically , politically and internationally despite each of their personal strong disagreements and sides to this ,
and so ..those agreements taken are compromised and 'false flags' themselves which usually surfaces sooner or later and results in big conflicts if not wars .

So no matter who recruited the shooter , the son of a father he had .. the plan is almost too damned to miss and what kind of chain reaction could it cause .

The trick is .. no one knows.

I've not said this even . You've not read it . And I really hope I'm wrong .

Sean

17th June 2016, 22:42

Real quick: this is the shooter's imdb page: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8223977/?ref_=fn_al_nm_2

I posted that a couple days ago on FB, and it had the BP oil doc listed as a 2nd credit. that credit has since been removed.

now, understand: I'm an Actor, and I'm on IMDB myself. I have extensive experience with them, updating my own credits. They update fairly slowly. This was done over the last 48 hours or so, which for them is record time..

Daozen

17th June 2016, 22:46

^^^ I've noticed things and seen them taken away quickly too, workingactor. It's annoying when that happens. I try and screengrab everything now, or even better use a phone to take a picture. Screengrabs are fairly reliable, but they can be manipulated by anyone who knows how to use 'inspect element' in a browser.

bluestflame

17th June 2016, 23:50

i suspect they love social media for the instant feedback aspect they get to monitor response to various angles then pick the one that best suits thier agenda gauged on best reactions of target audience , might be why we see so many different things coming up to later be "officially confirmed" or denied

they LOVE social networking and forums cos they get the instant feedback on the effectiveness of thier various stories before they officially commit to them as being " fact"

( and people still think NOT watching tv makes them somehow immune from the manipulations ? )

bluestflame

18th June 2016, 00:51

a timely reminder , i make no apologies , too much is at stake our own emotions have been used against us to push for an agenda many STILL do not see

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... and time is short ...

Lisa Angel usually gives a good heads up u5hGxtF-NuM

Bill Ryan

18th June 2016, 10:03

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A new two part-interview, published a few hours ago, with Wolfgang Halbig and Jim Fetzer, on Sandy Hook and Orlando.

The uploader comments: (an extract from a very long piece he wrote)

I am posting this interview that occurred on Thursday June 16th 2016 with Wolfgang Halbig and Professor James Fetzer, the author of the controversial books Nobody Died at Sandy Hook (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/Nobody Died at Sandy Hook), which has been banned by Amazon, and And Nobody Died in Boston, either: State-sponsored terrorism with Hollywood special effects. (https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Died-Boston-either-State-sponsored/dp/0692624589)

This interview also has callers who phone in from all around the United States who add their thoughts to the mix of these 2 men in regards to the Sandy Hook shooting being a false flag event that never happened, and that the recent shooting at the Orlando night club is also a false flag event that never happened. We are only a week or so out from the shooting at the Orlando night club, Pulse, and already it seems that people are twisting the facts to fit their own agendas.
I've not yet listened to this, but I'm assuming that Halbig and Fetzer both have interesting things to say. The "twisting the facts to fit their own agendas" bit apparently refers to the callers to the radio show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoTGhnT7gI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Kc422S_io

Bill Ryan

18th June 2016, 10:54

I've not yet listened to this, but I'm assuming that Halbig and Fetzer both have interesting things to say.

Update: They sure do. Highly recommended.

Bill Ryan

18th June 2016, 15:37

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Again, the above ^^, with Halbig and Fetzer, is very well worth listening to.

Far shorter, is this, just a minute long.

Many of you may have seen this already. But for those who haven't, this appears to be someone's glaring mistake when they thought they were no longer being filmed.

Orlando False Flag Crisis Actor Gets Set Down After Mistakenly Off Camera

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3IV9wuXID0

giovonni

18th June 2016, 18:00

that's some poor blocking ... :doh:

Actors Stage Right (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_(stage))

Althena

18th June 2016, 19:06

As many outlets have reported, Omar Mateen has been in two films: “The Big Fix,” where’s he’s (supposedly) a security guard at a BP oil spill site who just magically starts spouting off how corrupt everyone there is (in a movie about how corrupt everyone handling the BP oil spill is, fancy that) and the other is “Love City, Jalalabad” where he was listed as the part of “Bad Boy”. He’s still listed on the last film, but it is strangely linked now to a second IMDB page for him.

Now his main IMDB page just shows that he died in Orlando on June 12th and that he was a GS4 security guard. No movies.

His page before: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016-06-17_16-45-11.png

His page now (as a second IMDB entry from the first): http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016-06-17_16-47-05.png

If you attempt to view his main page on IMDB, the filmography doesn’t even show up there now at all: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016-06-17_16-47-37.png

He has been removed from the cast on “The Big Fix” IMDB page. So it would now appear as if Mateen wasn’t in “The Big Fix” even though, quite obviously, just scrubbing his IMDB page and the film’s page won’t change reality unless they re-release an edited version of the film with the questionable scene (video below) removed.

Why questionable? Because everything about this scene looks completely staged — from the fourth camera angle “secretly” set up just across the way from Mateen’s guard station, to the completely unbelievable way Mateen responds to a random stranger driving up on a supposedly secured BP oil spill clean up site in the middle of the night without a plausible reason to be there.

Watch it for yourself. Perhaps they don’t want people to see this because the more people do, the more they will question the official narrative that this guy single-handedly committed the Orlando shooting that reportedly killed 49 people and wounded another 53 after suddenly pledging his loyalty to ISIS.

Watch it. He’s not even a very convincing security guard.

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http://newzsentinel.com/omar-mateens-imdb-page-scrubbed-the-big-fix-removed-is-it-because-hes-a-terrible-actor/

Inversion

18th June 2016, 19:16

A man that was interviewed was Jim Van Horne who's name also pops up on IMDb.

He's at 2:09 in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIi6ytVwkYo

Althena

18th June 2016, 19:26

Good one Inversion. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark.

shaberon

18th June 2016, 19:51

I can sort of understand camera people taking trash shots like that. They may not be wanted hovering over people who are seriously bleeding out. If that particular person is said to be an "injured key witness", that would be different.

What I still don't get is "a guy" holding a door shut versus a stampeding crowd, and that much carnage being inflicted that quickly. Seems pretty "magic bullet" even for some easy targeting.

Hervé

18th June 2016, 20:05

Howell and Four Other Suspects Involved in Planned Sunday Massacres (http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/)

http://getoffthebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/75-1024x577.jpeg

Sources within the Santa Monica police department claim that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was caught with explosives and weapons on Sunday Morning, told the Santa Monica police that as many as five people were involved in planned attacks on gay communities in both Florida and California.
According to the LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html), Santa Monica Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks initially said on Twitter that the 20-year-old Indiana man (James Howell) told one of her officers after he was arrested that he wanted “to harm the Gay Pride event.”
However, after the FBI quickly took over the case, a Santa Monica police spokesman Saul Rodriguez indicated that Seabrooks was mistaken and offered that the Santa Monica detectives who were working the case are “not aware of what the suspect’s intentions were at this point.”

The official version (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html) of this story released by the LA Times falsely claims that on early Sunday, Santa Monica police received a call about a suspected prowler who was knocking on a resident’s door and window about 5 a.m. in the 1700 block of 11th Street, Santa Monica police said.

Patrol officers responded and encountered Howell, who was sitting in a car registered in Indiana, police said. Officers inspected the car and found three assault rifles, high-capacity ammunition and a 5-gallon bucket containing “chemicals capable of forming an improvised explosive device,” police said.

A law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity said the contents of the bucket included Tannerite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite), an ingredient that could be used to create pipe bombs.

The source, who was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation, said authorities also found camouflage clothing in the car.

Los Angeles County sheriff’s officials said the suspect told police he was going to the Pride parade to look for a friend. Authorities were looking for that individual.

http://getoffthebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Screen-Shot-2016-06-13-at-1.50.24-PM-copy-1024x969.png
Do police chiefs make these kind of errors everyday? Get off the Bull****

The real truth of the story was released to a former Los Angeles County prosecutor who works for Get Off the BS by two Santa Monica police officers that have been issued gag orders under threat of Federal prosecution for talking further talking about the incident.
According to two department sources, Howell called the Santa Monica police on Sunday morning claiming that he needed protection from the CIA. Howell further elaborated to the dispatcher stating that he “had been set up by the CIA – they are going to kill me.”
According to Howell, he was in LA to meet with another person in a collaborated attack on the gay communities in both Florida and Los Angeles.
Howell additionally stated that, “everything has gone south. Dan was gone when I got here. They killed the leader of the Florida attack this morning. They are going to kill me. I need protection.”
According to sources within the police department’s investigation Howell indicated to officers who first made contact with him that Howell claimed he was one of five people involved in a planned Sunday attack on both the east and west coasts.

Howell stated that he was suppose to “hook up” late Saturday night with his contact in LA who was suppose to have more weapons and chemicals to mix with the Tannerite he was in possession of.
“When I got here, Dan was gone. I went to his apartment and he had cleared out….I tried calling him but he never answered me,” said Howell.
When questioned about the other four people involved in the plot, Howell was only familiar with the first names of three of the alleged suspects, naming his contact in LA – Dan and two of the three contacts in Florida, Omar (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/) and Brandy
Speaking of the suspect killed in the Pulse Bar massacre in Florida, Howell stated, “Omar was not suppose to be killed. They lied to us – Omar and Brandy were suppose to get away.”
When Howell was questioned about how he and his conspirators knew each other, he said that,
“We were all familiar with each other through an online fundamental Islamic knowledge seminary course[1 (http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/#1)] – we were recruited through the course and trained together at a camp in Virginia – we were taught how to shoot and make bombs – everyone knew their part – something went wrong….”
Before the officers could further question Howell, agents working for the Los Angeles office of the FBI quickly swept in and took over the case. Santa Monica detectives were never allowed to talk with Howell.

In summary, it appears that Howell was on his way to “hook up” with another conspirator (Dan) to set off explosives and shoot people at the gay pride parade in Hollywood California on Sunday.

Finding his contact missing when he got to LA and having heard that Omar Matteen had been killed (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446) by a FBI SWAT teem in Orlando, Howell determined he had been double crossed by the CIA and feared for his own life.

Howell was taken in to custody by the FBI before Santa Monica police officers could further question him about the motives behind killing gay people on both coasts of the US on Sunday.

However, in absence of further information and or anyone who will officially go on the record, there is no doubt that the America public is not being told the truth about the Orlando Florida shooting and the arrest of Howell on Sunday.

It is a shame that the Fed’s got to the Santa Monica police chief on Sunday before she was silenced, however we are very thankful that at least two officers have risked their jobs and freedom to reveal what she would of most likely Tweeted had the Fed’s not got to her.

This is Brenda Corpian reporting live from Beverly Hills, CA. for Get Off The BS.

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Authors Comments:
The official story released by the LA Times would not have held up for long with most people. It will most likely either disappear or be amended by the Times.

The mainstream medias version of the police showing up to a Santa Monica apartment because someone in the neighborhood allegedly claimed that a person was “knocking on a neighbors door and windows” is almost comical.

When they added the police found the suspect at the scene and discovered weapons and explosives in his car, I almost peed myself laughing.

I use to live in Santa Monica. The likelihood of the police showing up to the apartment over a suspected prowler call within 2 hours, is about one in ten million.

However, for argument sakes let us assume that the police hurried right over to the apartment and found Howell there. (LMAO)

The likelihood that Howell drove all the way from Indiana to California to be found by the Santa Monica police with explosives, ammunition, and assault rifles in plain view in his car is about one in ten trillion.

Would you like to make odds that it was just a “coincidence” as the mainstream media reports, that Howell armed to the teeth with assault rifles and explosives, was on his way to a gay pride parade the same day as the massacre in Florida?

Folks, for those who know me, you know that I don’t make up stories. Everything I have written is true. However, for those of you who don’t know me, please use your common sense in this matter – the mainstream media and the fed’s are lying in this matter – there is no way that Howell’s arrest and the shooting in Orlando (http://getoffthebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/353A1EAA00000578-3639727-image-a-6_1465850442974.jpg) Florida is a coincidence.

Everyone would be well advised to hide your weapons before the Fed’s come knocking at your door to take them.

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Story updates:
Shortly after the posting of this story, USA News shed light (http://365usanews.com/u-s-news/authorities-reveal-new-bombshell-about-orlando-shooters-terror-ties/) on the Online Islamic Fundamental course Howell spoke of.

Omar Mateen Did Not Act Alone (http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2016/06/12/proof-orlando-massacre-false-flag-conspiracy/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=proof-orlando-massacre-false-flag-conspiracy)! Proof of False Flag Conspiracy

The Father of the Orlando Shooter Recently Visited Congress (http://www.ijreview.com/2016/06/627509-the-father-of-the-orlando-shooter-recently-visited-state-department-writes-open-letters-to-president-obama/), State Department, Writes Open Letters To President Obama

He laughed as he shot us (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3639727/He-going-ha-ha-ha-killed-Sole-survivor-30-trapped-Orlando-gay-club-bathroom-tells-Omar-Mateen-laughed-fired-assault-rifle.html)‘: Sole survivor of 30 hiding in gay club bathroom reveals how he was hit four times but escaped by climbing over friends’ bodies

Links between Shooting events. All CIA patsies (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3201248/pg1).

Omar Mateen: Orlando gunman was familiar face at club (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/), performer says
Trump Right Again Omar Matteens’ Wife Had Prior Knowledge (http://getoffthebs.com/trump-right-again-omar-matteen/)Of Orlando Massacre
FBI Introduced (http://getoffthebs.com/fbi-introduced-florida-shooter-informants/) Florida Shooter to “Informants”

Hervé

18th June 2016, 20:10

This story could be the smoking gun for false-flag operations (http://needtoknow.news/archives/2016-2/2016-06-17/)

Santa Monica; Two police officers who wish to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation say that James Wesley Howell, an Indiana man who was found with a car full of explosives and weapons on Sunday morning, told police he was part of a team that planned shooting attacks on gay communities in Florida and California.

http://needtoknow.news/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/James-Wesley-Howell-story-2.jpeg

Howell told police he was turning himself in because he wanted protection. His story was that he had been assured by his recruiters that he would not be harmed in the shooting but, when he heard on the news that Omar Mateen, the lead gunman in the Orlando group, had been killed by sniper fire, he realized he was being set up as a patsy and would be killed.

Soon after that, the FBI took over the investigation, and information to the public was filtered to remove any facts that might show the Orlando shooting as a planned event involving others. GetOffTheBS 2016 Jun 15 (Story (http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks/)) (Cached (http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/realityzone/NTKsantaMonicaChangesGayPrideHowellStory.html))

It is important to remember that the police officers who are the source of this story choose to remain anonymous, so it cannot be independently verified at this time, but circumstantial evidence supports it. For example:

(1) After the FBI took charge of the investigation, Police Chief Jacqueline Seabrooks changed her original report that Howell was part of a group of five people who intended to do harm at the gay-pride event in West Hollywood. Her altered report made no mention of anyone other than Howell.

(2) The web site that reported this story is still carrying the article without triggering legal action against it. That is significant because, if the story is false, immediate legal action would be expected. If it is true, Howell will be killed or ‘disappeared’ to prevent him from talking, but the last thing the perpetrators would want is a public trial where witnesses can be called to testify.
This news story could be one of the most important reports ever published in the annals of journalism.
That’s quite a statement but, when you consider the nature of its content, it is no exaggeration to say that it has the potential to fundamentally change the relationship between the United States government and the American people, and that could lead to a profound change, not only in America, but the entire world.

The story is still unfolding, and it is likely that officialdom either will pull it off the Internet or do everything possible to discredit it but, unlike most false-flag scenarios, there are many people on the outside of the plot who can verify the accuracy of this one. In fact, there may even be an entire police department to do that. If so, the sheer number of witnesses could outweigh the threats against job security or physical safety. We shall see.

G. Edward Griffin
2016 June 17

uzn

18th June 2016, 20:19

2 Years ago but he has a point:
Steven Seagal: Mass Shootings in the US are "Engineered"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0F2uB__6ec

Bill Ryan

18th June 2016, 20:20

Sean

18th June 2016, 21:56

CD7

18th June 2016, 22:08

Yah know I can't help wondering.......If ALL this was a ruse to take guns.....IS not weaponry MUCH MORE advanced ,yah know with electromagnetic pulse weapons...biological weapons and I'm sure a host I have no idea exist....So wouldn't guns be USELESS if the military wanted to coral something?! I mean the only fear may be the guns being turned on each other for lack of resources and insane fighting...I find this gun argument to be amusing...

bluestflame

18th June 2016, 22:12

just goes to show even with meticulous planning there are some things that can't be allowed for , such as a delayed ferry time in the port arthur operation which left a big hole in the plot , or in this case two good police officers that spoke to media that had not been given prior instruction

is interesting no official debunking OR trolling campaign

looks like they're staying well away from this one sorta says a lot without having to say a word

shaberon

18th June 2016, 22:57

Hmm. So the gagged version about Mr. Howell states that the C. I. A. was attacking gays two days in a row, but then he called the local police in order to live.

Released report says he made a bunch of noise around some apartments, and then sat waiting in a car full of weapons. Understandably, the missing accomplice and hearing Omar got killed might want to make you change plans. But if at that time, to all appearances he was normally knocking at a door looking for someone to be home, I'm not sure why that would inspire someone else to call the police about a "suspected prowler". If you didn't want to get caught, you wouldn't put on a huge spectacle beside a pile of contraband. So I'd say it sounds like he was trying to get out of a plot.

bluestflame

18th June 2016, 23:13

ok ...from 2015 ,,, pRiV_mL2a7E

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Xs8IAaMf2x73bA2weH_Ug

and http://www.c-heads.com/2015/09/25/exclusive-video-premiere-spirit-of-orlando-shooting-up/

onawah

19th June 2016, 03:08

Some Facebook friends who are very pro-LGBT have shared the following on their FB page.
I don't know if they actually know these young men, and I haven't made any comments on FB, but I find it curious that the young man in the hospital bed who was supposedly shot 6 times at the Orlando gay club, looks none the worse for wear.
(If asked, I'd have to say it's probably more likely that grin is due to a hefty paycheck received for a crisis actor performance. )

Ramon Hernandez
June 16 ·
Suddenly I find myself smiling with some great news. My friend @thats_angel90 was shot not once, not twice, not three times, not four times, not five times but six times. The good news is he is on the road to recovery. His infectious smile and jokes kept everyone in the room laughing. Thank you for letting me feed you empanadas and proving to the world that #lovewins #gonnameetthepresidentpantsless #gangsta #shot6times #3timesless than @50cent — with Angel Colon at Orlando Regional Medical Center.https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/13466040_10154748457530329_3374280057624877235_n.jpg?oh=f3d2d069d71b2c8cdff8961a33d6119a&oe=57C15120
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However, there is also this article about him on the Esquire.com page:

A Stranger's Hand Went Limp in His as He Laid on the Floor of Pulse Nightclub
Angel Colon was shot five times, and was one of the lucky few to make it out alive

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a45835/orlando-shooting-angel-colon/
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BY DANIELLE BACHER
JUN 15, 2016
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"All I kept thinking is, I'm going to be dead. I'm next. I'm done," says Angel Colon via phone from the Orlando Regional Medical Center. The 26-year-old is sitting upright in a chair, hooked to a morphine drip. The nurses check his vitals and administer more pain medicine. He's recovering from surgery and feels better today, having been shot five times just three days ago.

Around 2.a.m, on Sunday morning at Pulse, a gay-friendly club in Orlando, a man named Omar Mateen entered with an AR-15 style semiautomatic rifle and a handgun and opened fire. Colon was there with five of his friends; they escaped unharmed, but Colon was shot three times in the leg and was couldn't make it out with them. Minutes later, he was shot a fourth time in the hand and a fifth by his left hip.Twenty-five minutes after it all began, he was rescued by a police officer who'd snuck in through a side entrance. Hours later, SWAT raided the building and killed Mateen, but not before forty-nine people were killed and fifty-three were injured. Colon appreciates the dozens of Get Well Soon balloons and colorful flowers lining the windowsill. As the light peeks through the window, he's even more thankful to see another day. He has already spoken at a press conference and had an interview with HLN host Nancy Grace. He's still in shock at what happened, but grateful that for the friends and family who have been visiting him around the clock. He will be in the hospital at least a few more days, and still faces a long recovery before he will be able to walk again.

ESQ: Did you see Mateen when he walked through the door with his weapons?

Angel Colon: No, I didn't. I was having a really good time with my friends, but it was time to leave. We were gathering up to say our goodbyes, and talking in the main room of the club, which was close to the front entrance. I hugged one of my girls, and out of nowhere, I could hear the first shot. We all just stopped and then the music stopped. Then everyone started frantically running. I was the closest to the shooter in his direction, and I heard BAM, BAM, BAM. He went crazy and was shooting everyone he could. I was shot three times in my right leg. I screamed and fell down to the floor. I tried to get up, I thought I had the strength, but everyone was trampling over me. My friends all got out—they didn't realize that I had been shot; they thought I was right behind them. People ran over my hip, and I could hear my bones crack. All the people running over me shattered my left femur.

What happened after you fell to the floor?

I couldn't move at all. I had one broken leg and three bullet wounds in the other. I was just stuck there, and people were still running over me. Then I heard a lot more gunshots. I was lying down on the floor, and I heard him leave the room. The shots were getting further away—he was in the back room shooting other people. I was thinking, What can I do? Then I heard the gunshots getting closer again. My head was facing down to the ground, and all I heard were more gunshots. He came back in the room to make sure everyone was dead. He just kept shooting bodies already on the floor. There was glass and blood everywhere. I was playing dead, completely silent. I wanted to yell so badly, but I didn't. When he got closer, the shots got louder and louder. I kept thinking, Oh my God, I'm dead.

WHEN HE GOT CLOSER, THE SHOTS GOT LOUDER. I KEPT THINKING, OH MY GOD, I'M DEAD.
Was anyone else close to you alive in the room?

I was holding onto the girl's hand next to me and kept telling her, "It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay." I could now hear the shots getting closer. My head was still down, and my other hand was over my face. I looked over, and he shot her right in the back. I could see her close her eyes, and she just stopped moving. Her hand went limp in mine. I kept holding her hand until he left the room. It was the first time I had seen a dead body like that. I just thought, I'm next. I'm dead. I didn't know what to do. I just started praying. I said, "Lord, please not like this. I don't want to leave like this. This is not the way I'm supposed to go. Please give me another chance. I don't want to die. Please."

Shireen Sadaghiani
Were you in pain?

My body was numb. My hand was over my head, and he shot it. Then he shot my left hip. But from the shock that I had, I didn't scream. I just squeezed my hands tight. I luckily also had a few drinks in me, so I did not feel most of the pain. I was trying to play dead as long as I could. I just held it in. I could feel the heat of the bullets going through my body. I was thinking, He knows I've been shot five times. He probably thinks I'm dead. I never saw his face. My head was down the entire time. I didn't want to look at him because he would know I was still alive. I just lay there, and he kept shooting and shooting. Then he went to the front of the club, and he started shooting at the cops.

Did you text or call anyone when you were on the floor?

Actually, yes. I FaceTimed with a few friends. It was only for a few seconds. I just said, "Please help!" I talked to about four people, and then I also texted my sister. I don't know how I had my phone in my hand the entire time. My friends who escaped were calling me, but I couldn't answer because he was also shooting near me and I was scared he was going to see me texting. But at the moment you aren't thinking much—the adrenaline kicks in and everything happens so quickly.

I WAS TRYING TO PLAY DEAD AS LONG AS I COULD.
How did you get out?

A cop entering through the side door and started yelling, "Who is alive? Who is alive?" I raise my hand because I couldn't get up. I started yelling, "Please! Me, please! Do whatever you have to do to get me out of here!" From what I remember, I was the only one that said something. There were about 20 people dead in the room. The cop looked in my direction and ran over. He told me that he had to pull me to the exit. He dragged me—there was glass all over the floor, and I had shorts on. The glass was cutting my back, legs and my behind. There was blood all over me. The guy was still shooting in the front, and he couldn't see us. The cop risked his life and got me out and across the street to the ambulance. This cop saved my life. I wish I knew his name, so I could thank him so much.

You just got out of surgery. Have you processed yet what has happened to you and the many others in that club?

Honestly, I'm still in shock. It's really hard to talk about this. I'm here, but I'm not walking yet. It's still all so crazy and hard to process. But I'm alive, and that's all that matters now. I'm also glad that I can share this story and help other people who went through the same thing. Today, one of the victims came to my hospital room because he wanted to see me. It was the first time that he walked since the shooting. It was in that moment that we both realized we are here, alive, and very lucky.

And that looks much more convincing, though I'm not drawing any conclusions as yet...

onawah

19th June 2016, 03:42

bluestflame

19th June 2016, 08:48

some verification on the validity of this please http://abcnews.com.co/obama-signs-executive-order-banning-sale-of-assault-weapons/

President Obama Signs Executive Order Banning The Sale Of Assault Weapons
By abcnews - June 18, 2016

"WASHINGTON D.C. (AP) — After Sunday’s mass shooting in Orlando, which left 50 Americans dead and 53 wounded, President Obama decided to take unilateral action on gun control by signing Executive Order 13691. The new law bans all sales of assault weapons and places a mandatory 30 day waiting period on all firearm sales, regardless of whether the transaction takes place at a gun dealership or gun show. The requirement also extends to private sales and requires all private firearm sellers to broker the sale through a federally licensed gun dealer. The order requires prospective gun buyers to undergo a psychological evaluation. Individuals who have been committed involuntarily to a mental health institution at any time; those who have been voluntarily committed with the past 5 years; anyone with a domestic violence restraining order, regardless of criminal history; and anyone who has been placed on the no-fly list or terrorist watch list at any time within the past 10 years will not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms.

President Obama was unapologetic in his speech regarding the Executive Order."

*** sorted there's a fake site POSING as ABC site i found this other site that pointed it out http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/no_president_obama_did_not_just_sign_an_executive_order_banning_the_sale_of_assault_weapons

have left this up to warn others the fake ABC site url has .co suffix

his is why they have been finetuning the delivery of viral sharing re: the laughing wookie mask woman to make sure it would be shared as far and as wide as possible in a short space of time in the hopes of setting off armed groups that have been in preperations for just such an event

Cidersomerset

19th June 2016, 15:05

Media Casually Tours Orlando Shooter’s Apartment Only 24 Hrs After Shooting?

By David on 19 June 2016 GMT Useless Media, War and Terror

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ACTIVIST POST....

Media Casually Tours Orlando Shooter’s Apartment Only 24 Hrs After Shooting?

TOPICS:Gun ControlMelissa DykesOrlando ShootingOrlando Shooting HoaxPsyOps.
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June 18, 2016

‘“I’m beginning to think this is part of a social experiment to prove how many
people are not paying attention.”

Apparently the FBI accidentally left the doors unlocked and the windows open
to the shooter’s apartment…allegedly a crime scene to the largest terror attack
since 9/11. I uploaded this video under the category “entertainment” because
it can’t possibly be news.’

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Source

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/media-casually-tours-orlando-shooters-apartment-24-hrs-shooting.html

Bill Ryan

19th June 2016, 15:57

:bump:

Bumping this... originally posted earlier (post #216 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075882&viewfull=1#post1075882)), as a report by G. Edward Griffin. This is the source article, I believe:

http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks

It's staggering information, and has to be widely publicized. Many commenters are missing this so far.

The suspect in the report (James Howell) asked for protection because he was originally meant to be one of the false flag shooters himself, and then realized that he was being set up as a patsy because Omar Matteen had been killed.

He spills all the beans. If this is true and can be proven, an enormous house of cards comes crashing down.

Hervé

19th June 2016, 16:17

Howell told police he was turning himself in because he wanted protection. His story was that he had been assured by his recruiters that he would not be harmed in the shooting but, when he heard on the news that Omar Mateen, the lead gunman in the Orlando group, had been killed by sniper fire, he realized he was being set up as a patsy and would be killed.
Wow. Bumping this. If this can be shown to be true, an extremely large house of cards comes crashing down.

All right... let's get this straight: the above bump is a summary of this post #216 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075882&viewfull=1#post1075882) which is itself a summary of post # 215 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075877&viewfull=1#post1075877) immediately above... and which is the one referred to by Bill as http://getoffthebs.com/five-suspects-involved-in-planned-attacks (original source).

PS: I guess post #215 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075877&viewfull=1#post1075877) was brushed off as a TL;DR :)

PPS: :bump: it as well :)

From Bill @ Hervé: I messed up the post link… searching way too fast, my bad. :facepalm: But in this important instance, bumping the bump of the bumped bump is all okay. :)

bluestflame

19th June 2016, 17:20

musta missed post#189 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1075504&viewfull=1#post1075504) ?

Shannon

19th June 2016, 17:27

This one however, doesn't leave much doubt--the green screen is obvious.
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And here is the sequel:
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This one is obviously reading from a script:
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and here she is very calm and unconvincing here (especially for someone who is supposed to be in pain):
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This guy said (in another vid) that he was shot in the back 4 times and the bullets went straight through, and in the hospital for 2 days after the event, but here he is supposedly already home and none the worse for wear.
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Really terrible acting here:
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Yeah, I understand the need and appreciate the people who go thru all the footage looking for the little tricks the Ptb like to play on us... but I've got a gripe with these types of you tube videos...especially in the first one...does this youtuber guy doing the commentary really have to call the woman " a ****ing bitch", "stupid bitch", and so on.
Shows me that he has much hate in his heart, which comes thru in videos a lot of these guy put out. And not just this one example... I notice this in a lot of these types of "gotcha! Crisis actor" clips. :/

Oh, And onawah, I appreciate you posting them, and your posts in this thread, the as well as the forum, Thank you, :D

Like I said, I guess, There is a need for the videos above, some better than others obviously...and id like to see more video, I'm always left shocked there's not MORE, intense and longer videos and pictures than what we get to see, plus the 911 call from mateen. Sign :(

onawah

19th June 2016, 19:44

The warning re explicit language on the vids may not really prepare us for the amount of vitriol expressed in some of them, but if you focus on the content, it's not quite so inexcusable.
And a good thing, in a way, that the posters of the vids are so angered by what they've seen.
At least anger:mad2: trumps apathy:bored:!

Yeah, I understand the need and appreciate the people who go thru all the footage looking for the little tricks the Ptb like to play on us... but I've got a gripe with these types of you tube videos...especially in the first one...does this youtuber guy doing the commentary really have to call the woman " a ****ing bitch", "stupid bitch", and so on.
Shows me that he has much hate in his heart, which comes thru in videos a lot of these guy put out. And not just this one example... I notice this in a lot of these types of "gotcha! Crisis actor" clips. :/

Like I said, I guess, There is a need for the videos above, some better than others obviously...and id like to see more video, I'm always left shocked there's not MORE, intense and longer videos and pictures than what we get to see, plus the 911 call from mateen. Sign :(

Cidersomerset

19th June 2016, 19:50

Ep. 474 FADE to BLACK FADERNIGHT w/ Jon Rappoport: NMFNR Open-lines LIVE

Jon's report starts aprox 32 min in......to aprox 58 mins in. The report is from thurs
16/6/16 , and he gives an overview of the bigger picture as he see's it....

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Published on 18 Jun 2016
Tonight Jon Rappoport discusses the connections between the Orlando shooter and
the FBI...the very things that the mass-media is not reporting on...as only Jon can
do, and do well...and then we open up the phone lines...

====================================================

THE NEW YORK TIMES....

F.B.I. Steps Up Use of Stings in ISIS Cases

By ERIC LICHTBLAUJUNE 7, 2016

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Michael German, a former undercover agent with the F.B.Iwho researches national
security law at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, said the agency
was “manufacturing terrorism cases.” Credit Nancy Borowick for The New York Times

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. has significantly increased its use of stings in terrorism
cases, employing agents and informants to pose as jihadists, bomb makers, gun
dealers or online “friends” in hundreds of investigations into Americans suspected
of supporting the Islamic State, records and interviews show.

Undercover operations, once seen as a last resort, are now used in about two of
every three prosecutions involving people suspected of supporting the Islamic
State, a sharp rise in the span of just two years, according to a New York Times
analysis. Charges have been brought against nearly 90 Americans believed to be
linked to the group.

The increase in the number of these secret operations, which put operatives in the
middle of purported plots, has come with little public or congressional scrutiny, and
the stings rely on F.B.I. guidelines that predate the rise of the Islamic State.

While F.B.I. officials say they are careful to avoid illegally entrapping suspects, their
undercover operatives are far from bystanders. In recent investigations from
Florida to California, agents have helped people suspected of being extremists
acquire weapons, scope out bombing targets and find the best routes to Syria to
join the Islamic State, records show.

Read more...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us/fbi-isis-terrorism-stings.html?_r=0

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New Yorker magazine...

News Desk

Do F.B.I. Stings Help the Fight Against ISIS?

By Evan Osnos , June 10, 2016

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The F.B.I. used to employ stings involving confidential informants sparingly; now,
they have become a common tool to trap supposed jihadists and ISIS collaborators.

read more....
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/do-f-b-i-stings-help-the-fight-against-isis

Cidersomerset

19th June 2016, 20:48

Nothing new about infiltration and manipulation of all types of groups thru history,
undercover and covert operations are important law enforcement tools . But like
everything its open to abuse and as the adage goes , Who protects us from the
protectors...

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Ex FBI Mike German on Government based terrorism

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Published on 1 Sep 2013

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Published on 10 Oct 2015

See More @ http://www.sagaciousnewsnetwork.com/i...

shaberon

19th June 2016, 21:43

We expect the news to run all kinds of staged things, since the courts have ruled it doesn't have to be factual. Unless the acting undermines what would otherwise be critical facts, it's irrelevant. An injured person who is glad to be alive, and hopped up on morphine, probably will appear perfectly happy; doesn't mean there weren't any bullets recently removed.

In the U. S., all Executive Orders, Acts of Congress, etc., are all available online; there is no need to ever take this third hand, in fact you should probably look at it regularly anyway.

The only thing I found that seemed to focus on what happened was the local paper: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/os-orlando-pulse-nightclub-shooting-timeline-htmlstory.html

How it started at 2.02 a. m.: An off-duty Orlando Police Department officer in the nightclub's parking lot hears shots fired and sees Omar Mateen near the entrance. They exchange fire, but the officer realizes he is "outgunned" and retreats to call for backup. Mateen goes inside.

The unnamed officer was, I believe, the club's security. From this, we gather that Omar started shooting from outside; now, if he was very good at what he was doing, he would have found and killed the security guy first; instead, he almost got killed, but was able to proceed thanks to the guy missing.

He was then able to waltz onto the dance floor with an AR-15 in one hand, unspecified handgun in the other. This is only useful at very close range, so a lot of people were able to escape out the patio. Everyone apparently dropped their glasses and bottles on the floor, causing more injuries, instead of throwing them at Omar.

He only had a few minutes before: Two backup Orlando police officers arrive. They rush into the club and exchange fire with Mateen, who runs toward the bathrooms.

Another piece of bloody luck for him. At roughly the same range where he was just able to take out everyone, two men, trained shooters who are able to place both hands on their weapons, accomplish nothing.

By 2.15: Belle Isle Police Officer Justin Lemieux arrives, hearing minutes later that the shooter was barricaded in a bathroom. Officers begin removing people from the club.

So he ran through crossfire, but was able to establish some sort of barricade, immediately, while controlling the people who hid in the bathrooms. This article makes no reference to "Brandy" or any other help. From here, you basically have a three hour standoff, which apparently includes Omar's wife being up at 4 a. m. to text him.

He was able to shoot over a hundred people, some of them three or five times or more. Probably missed a few times. That's a phenomenal amount of ammunition. Hard to explain this huge success, without others there helping.

Agree that Mr. Howell's original statement is very telling...but will he actually bring that testimony to court? Concerning the "secret society" that President Kennedy warned us about, the C. I. A. A big national story that would publicly prove what they do, would be most welcome. Normally, he would be offed or intimidated, and the statement buried. Dismantling that organization would seem to be 100% beneficial, with no drawbacks.

Sean

19th June 2016, 23:10

My takeaway from all these false flags: It amazes me how easily some(a lot) of people will engage in "crisis actor" scenarios, gangstalking, etc..doesn't anyone ever say no? How anyone plays a part in such heartless, cruel acts is beyond my comprehension..

Caliban

20th June 2016, 02:34

Just watch the videos by Russian Vids, Peekay Truth and HowISee Theworld on YT. Watch a few each, these guys cover all the bases.

It's a hoax. Forget trying to figure out Omar Mateen and all the rest of it. They've either gotten so sloppy or they just don't care anymore and want to see how far they can push this total nonsense. I assume it's the latter. How long will people deny what's right in front of them. We need to send these kinds of videos to everyone - everyone - we know. Eventually it'll permeate to the masses, notwithstanding the incredible denial going on.

Watch this call to one of the "victims".
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onawah

20th June 2016, 04:11

More crisis acting:
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shaberon

20th June 2016, 04:38

I saw someone else's claim that there were multiple assailants in tactical gear, with the crowd assuming it was an A. L. E. raid--until the shooting started, inside, and the one security guy went inside to fire back. This varies from the newspaper, which clearly showed Omar standing outside and the officer engaging him there.

As for the grand finale, there seems to have been a small bomb, which didn't make a big enough hole, so the cops rammed the bathroom wall with a vehicle. Omar, at this point, was seemingly polite enough to let the bathroom people crawl out. He finally emerged in his two-gun style facing eight or nine trained officers, who, I expect, were expecting him. Nevertheless, they missed him "dozens" of times, and he was able to shoot someone's helmet before they took him out. I would not exactly call that S. W. A. T. "storming" the building. Those people were lucky to escape (maybe he was low on ammo), and for him to get the first hit on eight or nine guys who missed dozens of times, that's pretty spectacular.

Yes, this is kind of assuming it actually happened. There could be all kinds of spoof actors around the scene and after the fact; but is someone trying to say there were no shootings?

onawah

20th June 2016, 15:16

Posted on Jon Rappoport's Blog (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/mind-control-achieved-through-the-information-flicker-effect/). June 20, 2016:

Mind control achieved through the “information flicker effect”

I wrote this piece in 2012, in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting. I re-post it now, because it equally applies to the Orlando shooting.

No, I’m not talking about the flicker of the television picture. I’m talking about an on-off switch that controls information conveyed to the television audience.

The Sandy Hook school murders provide an example.

First of all, elite media coverage of this tragedy has one goal: to provide an expanding narrative of what happened. It’s a story. It has a plot.

In order to tell the story, there has to be a source of information. The topflight television anchors are getting their information from…where?

Their junior reporters? Not really. Ultimately, the information is coming from the police, and secondarily from local officials.

In other words, very little actual journalism is happening. The media anchors are absorbing, arranging, and broadcasting details given to them by the police investigators.

The anchors are PR people for the cops.

This has nothing to do with journalism. Nothing.

The law-enforcement agencies investigating the Sandy Hook shootings on the scene, in real time, were following up on leads? We don’t what leads they were following and what leads they were discarding. We don’t know what mistakes they were making. We don’t know what evidence they were overlooking or intentionally ignoring.

The police were periodically giving out information to the media. The anchors were relaying this information to the audience.

So when the police privately tell reporters, “We chased a suspect into the woods above the school,” that becomes a television fact. Until it isn’t a fact any longer.

The police, for whatever reason, decide to drop the whole “suspect in the woods” angle.

Therefore, the media anchors no longer mention it.

Instead the police are focused on Adam Lanza, who is found dead in the school. So are the television anchors, who no longer refer to the suspect in the woods.

That old thread has gone down the memory hole.

What does this do to the audience who has been following the narrative on television? It sets up a flicker effect. An hour ago, it was suspect in the woods. Now, that bit of data is gone. On-off switch. It was on, now it’s off.

This is a break in logic. It makes no sense.

Which is the whole point.

The viewer thinks: “Let’s see. There was a suspect in the woods. The cops were chasing him. Now he doesn’t exist. We don’t know his name. We don’t know why he’s off the radar. We don’t know whether he was arrested. We don’t know if he was questioned. Okay, I guess I’ll have to forget all about him. I’ll just track what the anchor is telling me. He’s telling the story. I have to follow his story.”

This was only one flicker. Others occur. The father of Adam’s brother was found dead. No, that’s gone now. The mother of Adam was found dead. Okay. Adam killed all these children with two pistols. No, that’s gone now. He used a rifle. It was a Bushmaster. No, it was a Sig Sauer. One weapon was found in the trunk of a car. No, three weapons.

At each succeeding point, a fact previously reported is jettisoned and forgotten, to be replaced with a new fact. The television viewer has to forget, along with the television anchor. The viewer wants to follow the developing narrative, so he has to forget. He has no choice if he wants to “stay in the loop.”

But this flicker effect does something to the viewer’s mind. His mind is no longer alert. It’s not generating questions. Logic has been offloaded. Obvious questions and doubts are shelved.

“How could they think it was the dead father in New Jersey when it was actually the dead mother in Connecticut?”

“Why did they say he used two handguns when it was a rifle?”

“Or was it really a rifle?”

“I heard a boy on camera say there was another man the cops caught and they had him proned out on the ground in front of the school. What happened to him? Where did he go? Why isn’t the anchor keeping track of him?”

All these obvious and reasonable questions (and many others) have to be scratched and forgotten, because the television story is moving into different territory, and the viewer wants to follow the story.

This constant flicker effect eventually produces, in the television viewer…passivity.

He surrenders to the ongoing narrative. Surrenders.

This is mind control.

The television anchor doesn’t have a problem. His job is to move seamlessly, through an ever-increasing series of contradictions and discarded details, to keep the narrative going, to keep it credible.

He knows how to do that. That’s why he is the anchor.

He can make it seem as if the story is a growing discovery of what really happened, even though his narrative is littered with abandoned clues and dead-ends and senseless non-sequiturs.

And the viewer pays the price.

Mired in passive acceptance of whatever the anchor is telling him, the viewer assumes his own grasp on logic and basic judgment is flawed.

Now, understand that this viewer has been watching television news for years. He’s watched many of these breaking events. The cumulative effect is devastating.

The possibility, for example, that Adam Lanza wasn’t the shooter, but was the patsy, is as remote to the viewer as a circus of ants doing Shakespeare on Mars.

The possibility that the cops hid evidence and were ordered to release other suspects is unthinkable.

Considering that there appears to be not one angry outraged parent in Newtown (because the network producers wouldn’t permit such a parent to be interviewed on camera) never occurs to the viewer.

Wondering why the doctor of Adam Lanza hasn’t been found and quizzed about the drugs he prescribed isn’t in the mind of the viewer.

The information flicker effect is powerful. It sweeps away independent thought and measured contemplation. It certainly rules out the possibility of imagining the murders in an alternative narrative.

Because there is only one narrative. It is delivered by Brian Williams and Scott Pelley and Diane Sawyer.

Interesting how they never disagree.

Never, in one of these horrendous events do the three kings and queens of television news end up with different versions of what happened.

What are the odds of that, if the three people are rational and inquisitive?

But these three anchors are not rational or inquisitive. They are synthetic creations of the machine that runs them.

They flicker yes and they flicker no. They edit and cut and discard and tailor as they go along. Yes, no, yes, no. On, off, on, off.

And the viewers follow, in a state of hypnosis.

Why?

Because the viewers are addicted to STORY. They are as solidly addicted as a junkie looking for his next fix.

“Tell me a story. I want a story. That was a good story, but now I’m bored. Tell me another story. Please? I need another story. I’m listening. I’m watching. Tell me a story.”

And the anchors oblige.

They deal the drug.

But to get the drug, the audience has to surrender everything they question. They have to submit to the flicker effect and go under. Actually, surrendering to the flicker effect deepens the addiction.

And the drug deal is consummated.

Welcome to television coverage.

Finally, while under hypnosis, the viewing audience is treated to a segue (transition) that leads to…the guns. Something has to be done about the guns. The mind-control operation that brought the passive audience to this point takes them to the next moment of surrender, as if it were part of the same overall Sandy Hook story:

Give up the guns.

In their entrained and tranced state of mind, viewers don’t ask why law-enforcement agencies are so massively armed to do police work in America, why those agencies have ordered well over a billion rounds of ammunition in the last six months, why every day the invasive surveillance of the population moves in deeper and deeper.

Viewers, in their trance, simply assume government is benevolent and should be weaponized to the teeth, because those viewers also assume the television anchors are government allies and spokespeople, and aren’t those anchors good and kind and thoughtful and intelligent and honorable?

Therefore, isn’t the government also kind and honorable?

In case you think the public is too stupid to emerge from its trance, and would never be able to follow a line of rational discourse, if by some miracle television anchors presented one, I disagree.

During my investigation of the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing, I encountered several local citizens who were exceedingly awake, alert, and helpful. Again and again over the years, I have had help from private citizens in my research.

This is why I’ve always supported the idea of citizen grand juries, convened to investigate crimes in the area where they live. Tasked to discover the truth, wherever it leads, such people would suddenly display surprising skills. Opportunity is all that is necessary.

The media put people under, flick the on-off switches that short-circuit logic. The media practice hypnosis. The media work for surrender of the mind. The media present boggling absurdities that put the mind to sleep. The media appoint themselves as the final authorities.

This is perverse theater.

That’s all it is.

Jon Rappoport

onawah

20th June 2016, 16:59

Lots of pieces of the puzzle combined in this one article:
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/15/orlando-gay-club-shooting-the-pieces-that-dont-fit/

Orlando gay-club shooting: The pieces that don’t fit
Posted on June 15, 2016 by Dr. Eowyn
Anomaly:

Definition: Something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.
Synonyms: oddity, inconsistency, incongruity, aberration.
Below are some anomalies — the pieces that don’t fit — in the official narrative of the deadliest shooting in U.S. history at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in the early morning hours of June 12, 2016, which left 49 dead and 53 wounded.

1. EYEWITNESSES REPORT MULTIPLE SUSPECTS
We are told there was only one shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen who, according to his ex-wife, turns out to be a homosexual himself who frequented gay bars and had a gay hookup app, Grindr.

The problem is at least three eyewitnesses who were in the Pulse nightclub at the time of the shooting, all said there was more than one suspect.

Eyewitness #1: In an audio interview (below), after an eyewitness said, “There was a guy there that was trying to…prevent the door, like hold the door closed so that we couldn’t exit,” he was abruptly cut off.
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Eyewitness #2: Another eyewitness said the shooting lasted “like eight minutes.” Beginning at the 0:29 mark in video below, when asked by the reporter if there was “somebody else,” the eyewitness said: “I’m pretty sure it was more than one person. Like I said, I heard two guns going at the same time.”

Later, at the 1:41 mark, as he described how he and some 50 other patrons were trying to flee the club, jammed in a narrow pathway, he also said there was a second suspect — “a guy kind of holding door,” preventing them from exiting.

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Eyewitness #3: A victim of the shooting who played dead for several hours during the attack as a way to stay alive, told an ABC reporter after he was discharged from a local hospital that he had overheard a phone conversation made by the shooter, in which the shooter said he was the “fourth shooter” and that there were “three others” — “snipers” and a “female suicide bomber”. (Source: Intellihub)

Below are screenshots of tweets to ABC News asking why ABC News had deleted an earlier tweet that there were other shooters, and a survivor’s account of two other killers.

Tweets to ABC News2. THE LAUGHING POLICEMAN
Remember Sandy Hook’s laughing chief medical examiner Wayne Carver and the smiling police officer standing behind him? The Orlando shooting has one too!

In the video below beginning at the 0:21 mark, as a spokesman talks to the press about the Orlando shooting casualties, a policeman with spectacles, grey hair and moustache stands behind him, grinning and laughing. Who knew a shooting massacre can be funny?
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3. CRISIS ACTOR
A man named Luis Burbano claims to be an eyewitness in the club and was interviewed by several media outlets, including ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos.

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It turns out eyewitness Luis Burbano is a professional actor. He has a profile on Internet Movie Database (IMDb) . Below is a side-by-side comparison of Luis Burbano in the ABC interview (left) and Luis Burbano on IMDb. It’s the same man.
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Luis Burbano (2)You would think that in the media interviews about the Orlando shooting, Burbano would take the opportunity to give his career a boost by identifying himself as a professional actor, but he didn’t.

IMDb lists 5 acting credits under Burbano’s “Filmography,” the most recent one being his role as a “club patron” in a 2015 video called “Spirit of Orlando: Shooting Up”. You can’t make this up!

Here’s a screenshot I took from IMDb on June 15, 2016:
https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/luis-burbano.jpg?w=500&h=245

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IMDb describes “Spirit of Orlando: Shooting Up” as a 5-minute music video, dated September 25, 2015, in which Burbano stars as a “club patron,” with other actors playing the parts of the boss and employees of PharmaCorp Inc. LLC.

Note (June 16): A day after I took the screenshot of Burbano’s acting credits on IMDb, his “Spirit of Orlando: Shooting Up” acting was deleted by IMDb. Now, why did Burbano and IMDb do that?

4. PRE-DATED TWEETS AND NEWS REPORTS
As in Sandy Hook, there are tweets and news articles about the Orlando shooting which are dated June 11, 2016, a day BEFORE the shooting.

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5. SHOOTING VICTIMS CARRIED TOWARD PULSE NIGHTCLUB
Here’s a video about shooting victims being carried by civilians (instead of first responders) TOWARD, not away from, Pulse nightclub — which makes no sense whatsoever, unless those images were all staged, i.e., theatrics.

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See also my other posts on the Orlando shooting:

Orlando gay-club shooter is also an actor!
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/16/orlando-gay-club-shooter-is-also-an-actor/
A Muslim kills Orlando gays, but Florida bishop blames Catholics
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/16/a-muslim-kills-orlando-gays-but-florida-bishop-blames-catholics/
Orlando gay-club shooting shows failure of government on every level
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/13/orlando-killer-omar-mateen-worked-for-a-security-firm-with-dhs-contract-to-identify-suspected-terrorists/
Orlando terrorist-killer Omar Mateen worked for a security firm with DHS contract to identify suspected terrorists
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/12/worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history-what-we-know-about-the-florida-killer/
Worst mass shooting in U.S. history: Florida killer is liberal media’s worst nightmare
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/06/12/worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history-what-we-know-about-the-florida-killer/
~Eowyn

Caliban

20th June 2016, 22:35

I realized something today. I sent one video to a friend, the one posted a few back where the maker calls the "victim" Colon in the hospital. Brilliantly done, and a huge glaring red flag---he said he got shot in the hand(s) and his hands are visibly without any mar on them. Now this friend of mine is bright, college educated and reasonably discerning and insightful. However, he came back to me with "you have to start with the WHY? What purpose would this false narrative serve." Now, I could reel off all we talk about here, the whole multi-pronged agenda, etc.. but then I thought, to what purpose? I've already tried with him on Sandy Hook and he was impervious.

My realization was you can't approach this from a Rational angle. To grasp this one has to somehow think Irrationally, since the whole thing stems from chaos, irrationality and a kind of shock to common reality. But how do you get someone to think from that point of view, those who are not yet awake and aware of these shows and productions? Videos might be enough for one out of fifty or a hundred. But the others, the all-too-rational ones? I just don't know....

Maybe there is no way. I was thinking I always doubted and distrusted authority -- and I don't know why! :o I think it's inherent in me--and maybe you have to be born with this authority doubting gene or tendency. I don't know how you can turn someone's reality 360 degrees. I've done it perhaps in little ways with certain friends but nobody wants this! :horn:

ThePythonicCow

21st June 2016, 00:28

:bump: to the above article in Post #240 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91294-Mass-shooting-at-Orlando-Gay-Nightclub-49-dead-shooter-killed&p=1076204&viewfull=1#post1076204), by Jon Rappoport on the “information flicker effect”. It's brilliant.

Mark (Star Mariner)

21st June 2016, 15:10

An excellent piece and perfectly put. It answers Caliban in the previous post, as to why his friend can't wake up. It isn't really about lacking rational thought I don't think. Everyone has the same potential for rational thought - but some people are so tuned in (literally) to the TV narrative that they become mentally paralysed - or 'hypnotised', as Rappoport the article writer suggests.

People's rationality (and view of reality) very often derives from, and is completely limited to, what that stern and very official TV news anchor is telling them every night. Deviation is unthinkable. Contradiction absurd. 'Alternative' realities (and conspiracies!) rejected, as outright half-baked nonsense.

bogeyman

21st June 2016, 15:14

The US Senate rejects controls of subjects on a terror watch list, which basically means that can legally buy weapons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36563337

onawah

21st June 2016, 16:52

The cause of that inability to wake up to the truth can also be traced back to the more physical aspects of AI, I think.
The constant barrage of EMFs, microwaves, etc. and the addictive behavior cell phones, computers, etc. creates numbs the mind and makes it more impervious to the kind of shock that it takes to actually wake someone up.
I've always had that "suspicious gene" too, but it took 911 to wake me up to the point where I began jumping down rabbit holes to actually find the evidence for things that I had always suspected.
But it takes an additional willingness to leave one's comfort zone, and that can be very, very challenging, even for those who are already suspicious.

conk

21st June 2016, 17:07

The crisis actors should really take classes on crying. They all have this phony, dry sniff sniff. Emoting dramatically, with no tears, no drawn facial expression. Look at someone who is really crying. Their face changes drastically. We joke in our family about who has the ugliest crying face. These actors? Not crying at all.

And the young man who, pretend crying, spoke of how many dead bodies he crawled over to get out? Not one spot or speck of blood on his light colored clothing just a few moments after the event.

If would be interesting to see a full on assault (verbal of course) on the crisis acting schools and the actors themselves. Some party with a large following should call out the actors who show up at ALL of these fake events. Demand answers. But then, to whom would they share their information? People like us already are aware and the MSM wouldn't touch the story with a long pole.

onawah

21st June 2016, 17:22

Television news illusion: “reporter in the field on location”

by Jon Rappoport

June 21, 2016
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/television-news-illusion-reporter-in-the-field-on-location/

All mainstream television news is built on transitions from one item to another. These transitions are called blends or segues. For example, the anchor in the studio goes to a “reporter on location” where “the news is happening” in real time.

However, in many cases, the anchor in the studio already knows what the reporter on location is going to say. That field reporter could just as easily be sitting in a public bathroom a block away from the studio, for all the good he does. Or he could be sitting in the studio in front of a fake backdrop. It’s a con.

But the sense of transition from one place and person to another imparts the sense of importance. The viewer thinks, “They’re going right to the spot where the shooting occurred an hour ago.” Yes, but the shooting, or whatever actually happened, is over. Or if it’s still in progress, the field reporter is getting his information directly from the police—he could have accomplished that with a phone call from a thousand miles away.

No network news operation allows a reporter in the field to discover something unofficial on his own. That’s verboten. It can get him fired.

So if the reporter on location wanted to tell the truth, he would say, “I’m standing here on a street corner five blocks away from the shooting, and I have nothing new to report. The cops just held a press conference, and they merely said the event was under investigation. I could have told you that while I was in bed back in my apartment. That’s it from here at the moment. I’ll be back with more meaningless updates as they occur. Stay tuned.”

Then the anchor back in the studio would say, “Thanks, Craig. I already knew about the press conference where nothing of substance was mentioned. You added zero to that zero. But you’re there. That’s what’s important. You give the illusion of live presence. We’ll be back after this break. Now we have to sell pharmaceuticals you don’t need. Stay tuned.”

Both the anchor and the reporter in the field earn their paychecks by making the viewing audience feel they’re “transitioning” from one important place (the studio) to another (the street corner). That’s the key. Here one minute, there the next. Most of the time, here and there are as vital as someone posting a video of himself sleeping.

“Now we go to Cairo, where street protests are taking place. Our reporter, Jeff Hassenfeffer, is there. Jeff?”

Cut to close-up of people milling about on a street. They’re yelling, shoving, and running. Jeff is standing in front of them. But who are these people? What are they really doing? Why are they there? What’s the issue? Do the protestors understand it? Are they trying to overthrow the government? If so, would it do any good? Would the new government crack down even harder than the old one? Are all these milling people know-nothings? Are they mere fronts for a new dictator in the shadows? The “reporter in the field,” Jeff, doesn’t know and doesn’t care. He’s there. That’s the important thing.

“Thanks, Jeff. Wow. People in the street. A revelation.”

Again, the reporter in the field isn’t doing any actual digging to come up with independent information. He’s there because he’s wearing a tan shirt with a lot of pockets, and he has a reasonably nice face, and his voice is a strong baritone. In college, he sang “Fiddler on the Roof.”

There is one thing a field reporter can do. By accident. He can interview a witness to an event who says something that departs from the official scenario. “There were three shooters, not one.” But this momentary flicker is shut down, never to appear again.

When the field reporter shows up at work in the studio the next day, someone will say, “Good interviews. Good job.” But what that means is: “You interviewed people. They said something. Anything.” That’s all.

People have accused CNN of faking on-location footage during the 1991 Gulf War, and later in the coverage of Sandy Hook. Regardless, all the information on the War and the school shooting came from official sources. The field reporters weren’t discovering news—they were taking dictation.

In 1988, when I was writing my first book, AIDS INC., I interviewed several researchers at major universities, and also spoke with a public information spokesman at the CDC, who relayed my questions to researchers and then came back to me with answers. I was doing this from a one-room apartment several thousand miles away, using a phone. That’s all I needed. I could have been standing in front of a building on the Harvard campus, or outside the CDC headquarters in Atlanta, with a television camera recording me—as I spoke on the phone—but what difference would it have made? I needed to document the official (false) position on AIDS, and I did.

Mainstream network television news is all about building illusions, and the transition from studio to the field is one of the cornerstones. The viewer is treated to a vicarious sense of traveling. In a moment, he goes from New York to Afghanistan. Therefore, something important must be happening.

But it isn’t.

That’s the joke.

Occasionally, when a breaking story is deemed “super-huge,” the network anchor will go to the scene and set up shop. That’s the pinnacle. He himself, in all his glory, stands on a street corner or a hill overlooking the corner, and says what he would have said back in the studio. Now the audience is riveted. “The man showed up. He’s there. Look. This is big.”

In this case, the trick isn’t location. It’s dislocation. It’s on the order of pulling up to a gas pump, getting out of your car, and suddenly seeing a movie star at the next pump. The star doesn’t belong there. He belongs on a movie screen. But he’s there at the pump. Dislocation.

The national network anchor is standing on a street in a town in Connecticut. He’s supposed to be in a studio, but he isn’t. Viewers are fixated.

The anchor came down out of his castle to mix with the common folk.

“Look, Fred, he’s on the street. I didn’t know he could do that. He’s breathing the same air we do.”

“Shh. I’m watching. Maybe he’ll hand out dimes to the peasants.”

“He looks a little tired.”

“Of course he’s tired. He’s been standing there for a half-hour. He’s on location. That’s got to be as exhausting as going down into a coal mine and working all day.”

Twelve hours later, the anchor is back home, in the studio. He still looks a little worn around the edges. He has a makeup assistant who knows how to create that effect. And of course, coming across as a bit world-weary is something the anchor has been practicing since he was twelve.

“And now we go to our Jeff Hassenfeffer in Tel Aviv. Jeff, exactly where are you?”

“Hi Brian. As you can see, I’m not in Tel Aviv. I’m in bed in my apartment on 110th Street. Sorry about all the beer bottles. We had a party a few hours ago. Anyway, let me bring you up to speed. I’m watching FOX. They’re reporting on the terror attack there. They’re getting their information from the Israeli PR people, just like we are. So it seemed easier to stay home. Here’s the latest Israeli press release…”

shaberon

21st June 2016, 21:08

I was thinking I always doubted and distrusted authority -- and I don't know why! :o I think it's inherent in me--and maybe you have to be born with this authority doubting gene or tendency. I don't know how you can turn someone's reality 360 degrees. I've done it perhaps in little ways with certain friends but nobody wants this! :horn:

I've always had this trouble--not sure if it's genetic, but I was definitely taught from an early age about the government (particularly) being a liar, so as I grew up, this naturally rolled over towards religions and corporations. And because of this, people tend to find me threatening.

I like to hear it from people a little older than me, who went through the Vietnam era. Up to that point, I think there was more investigative journalism, and of course the huge peace and civil rights protests--those were hard issues to argue with. But after that, things got wrapped up pretty tightly. You got your peace and rights, now shut up and get back to work while we upgrade our theater.

Now, I think you could accurately say "everything is a psy-op" simply due to the editors spinning things this way. But I'm not sure that "everything is a hoax". Reporters say they don't deal with "hoaxers" because it's absurd; something did happen, and they're not going to put time into re-establishing that. Likewise, in this case, the doctor in charge did say that people were brought to the hospital in pickup trucks--that might be against the rules, but they might have done it anyway.

For persuasion, or rhetoric, to be effective, you need to do just as the government and press does--tailor the message to the audience. To say "shot in hand", with a brief glimpse of uninjured hands, doesn't really tell me much. If this is behind a headline of "Hoax!", it's very watered down. It seems like preaching to a choir of those who already know that "everything is staged", and you wind up with a counter-point built on sawdust--or at least one that not very many people are going to care about.

A year or so ago, some guy around here killed a whole Muslim family over a parking space. People tried to say he was "controlled" or whatever, but actually, most killings take place over purely personal rage. In light of which, a former chief medical examiner from NYC who did some 60,000 autopsies described gay on gay crime as the absolute worst overkill ever seen. When they get mad and kill their lover with a kitchen knife, they're the ones who will keep mutilating the corpse for another half hour with hundreds of stabs. He said this was hardly ever done by any other demographic, and it became the default explanation for any body that arrived in that condition, and was almost never wrong.

In Omar's case, it seems almost inexplicable that he could have done it without help. I'd suggest a collection of all witness statements that relate to accomplices, moreso than "pics of the dead or it didn't happen". Tied in of course with Mr. Howell's statement. I would question "lone gunman" theories when they don't seem to explain the situation, and really, if I was behind it, I'd be perfectly happy if you were trying to say nothing happened. I'd just keep running plots and immediately denying them.