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Eric J (Viking)

16th June 2016, 17:08

Sad day when it gets to this...

Labour MP Jo Cox dies after being shot in Birstall, LeedsShe was 'shot three times and stabbed with foot-long knife'Witness says mother of two, 41, left lying in blood on pavementGunman allegedly shouted 'Britain First' before walking awaySuspected attacker named locally as Thomas MairWest Yorkshire Police say 52-year-old man is arrested over attackProfile: From activist to Labour MP - Jo Cox's career to Commons

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/labour-mp-jo-cox-shot-in-leeds-witnesses-report/

Viking

jc71

16th June 2016, 17:11

Hi all,

I put this out there for discussion. The shooting of a UK MP allegedly by someone who shouted "Britain First" before shooting her.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/british-labor-mp-jo-cox-shot-and-stabbed-assailant-who-allegedly-shouting-britain-fi

There are now media reports that the EU Referendum in the UK may have to be delayed.

Things that make you go hmmm...

JC

Eric J (Viking)

16th June 2016, 17:20

My thoughts exactly... hence my previous post.

Viking

Eric J (Viking)

16th June 2016, 17:22

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91371-EU-Referendum-To-Be-Delayed

Mods I think these 2 threads need merging. ..
Viking

Eric J (Viking)

16th June 2016, 17:40

http://www.infowars.com/the-political-establishment-will-exploit-the-murder-of-jo-cox-to-kill-brexit/

The shooting of Labour MP Jo Cox by a presumed right-wing extremist will be swiftly exploited by the political establishment and blamed on those who want to limit immigration and vote to leave the European Union.

Viking

giovonni

16th June 2016, 17:42

will share this here ...

From Britain ...

Jo Cox MP: Critical after shooting attack - BBC News

Published on Jun 16, 2016

An MP is in a critical condition after she was shot and stabbed during an attack in her constituency. Eyewitnesses said Jo Cox, 41, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, was left bleeding on the ground by her attacker. A man also suffered slight injuries. A 52-year-old man was arrested near Market Street, Birstall, West Yorkshire Police said. The MP holds a weekly advice surgery nearby. Ms Cox's assistant confirmed she had been attacked.

Published on Jun 16, 2016

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZM2-VkGdWg

With update ...

Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack - BBC News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_46DVlBiss

Cidersomerset

16th June 2016, 21:47

I posted this earlier on the Orlando thread as an aside ,
I am listening to the discussion on News night now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo

It sounds like the attacker was a very quite man a ' loner' classic signs. Early days ,
this is a rare event in the UK the last sitting MP murdered was in 1990 by the IRA.
It may just be a case of someone losing it ? It won't interfere with the referendum
I don't think ? Until more is known.

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British MP Jo Cox has died after brutal stabbing & shooting attack - police
https://www.rt.com/uk/346955-shooting-incident-police-birstall/

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Jo Cox MP dead after shooting attack

4 minutes ago
From the section England

Read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb_GBStXIAEf77E.png
Jo Cox was the Labour MP for Batley and Spen

jc71

16th June 2016, 21:53

And it starts to emerge what this may all be about:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jo-cox-dead-thomas-mair-suspect-south-africa-apartheid-a7086426.html

If you are thinking of voting out, you are now in the same bracket as a "loner/loser/radical".

Think what you will of that. Filthy business.

JC

jc71

16th June 2016, 22:00

And here, further possibility of manipulation in this tragedy:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-political-establishment-will-exploit-the-death-of-jo-cox-to-kill-brexit.html

Leaves a bad taste in the mouth...

JC

Sérénité

16th June 2016, 22:15

Pam

16th June 2016, 22:27

It is so obvious to me what it happening. Whether this is a false flag or just opportunistic, it infuriates me. Why would the actions of a madman cause the debate to be shut down? They are looking for any excuse, and now talk of delaying the vote? TPTB are fearful and they will not be denied the outcome they want, one way or the other. I can't help but note that after the incident, US equities made a dramatic turnaround. What a crock. When you know what to look for, the deception is just so apparent.

jc71

16th June 2016, 22:32

And it starts to emerge what this may all be about:

If you are thinking of voting out, you are now in the same bracket as a "loner/loser/radical".

This is what I'm thinking too...even amongst friends and family there is a clear gasp, shock and then subtle division between the brexiters and the bremainers. Its like going back 3 generation in my family and telling my devout catholic great gran her daughter is marrying a protestant...its the new division of the century!

I fear this poor woman has been used as a pawn to:
a) make the brexiters appear callous and crazy just like the guy who committed this atrocity
b) a convenient reason to halt further campaigning in light that the brexit campaign was going a tad better than anticipated and desired.

They must really be starting to panic that an overwhelming Brexit majority is imminent and going to be too hard to fiddle their way out of it without appearing obvious...

Hi Sérénité,

I think you may be right. Two things that are interesting facts in relation to this.

1. The eye witness who was said to have heard "Britain First" as a shout from the attacker has come out as saying "No, I didn't hear him say that".

2. It doesn't look like the MP was even an intended target. She happened across an altercation and was caught up in it, ending in a tragic conclusion, and yet the MSM are jumping on the chance to say this is a Brexit (lunatics) attack on Bremain (sensible law abiders). This is such a biased and factually lacking spin on the story, but the vast majority of headline readers will take away this message. This is a prime example of how the masses can be controlled and bullied.

It shows how sick these power-mongers are. The ones that control the media, i.e. the corporates and the bankers.

One last thing. Christine LaGarde declined to answer a question today relating to Brexit "out of respect for Jo Cox". Jo Cox's killing has nothing to do with a question about Brexit. I will leave these thoughts for thinking people to ponder upon.

JC

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It is so obvious to me what it happening. Whether this is a false flag or just opportunistic, it infuriates me. Why would the actions of a madman cause the debate to be shut down? They are looking for any excuse, and now talk of delaying the vote? TPTB are fearful and they will not be denied the outcome they want, one way or the other. I can't help but note that after the incident, US equities made a dramatic turnaround. What a crock. When you know what to look for, the deception is just so apparent.

Hi peterpam,

I was watching the markets as well, and the bounce was crazy. The stock markets were all in rapid decline, and this event seemed to put a rocket under them. Hooray there will be no brexit...

The whole system is a sham, both political and economic. This is not going to end well for any of us, including those who think they are on the right side of it...

JC

Carmody

16th June 2016, 22:39

then it might be a good idea to immediately request a change in the title of the thread, if indeed the attacker did not yell 'Britan first'

jc71

16th June 2016, 22:57

then it might be a good idea to immediately request a change in the title of the thread, if indeed the attacker did not yell 'Britan first'

Another MP who claimed this has deleted their tweet:

https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/743482973526306816

There seem to be conflcting reports.

JC

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then it might be a good idea to immediately request a change in the title of the thread, if indeed the attacker did not yell 'Britan first'

Also http://tapnewswire.com/2016/06/breaking-labour-mp-jo-cox-murdered-on-street-suspected-killer-mental-health-problems/ which says eye witness says they didn't hear the killer say that.

JC

jc71

16th June 2016, 23:04

then it might be a good idea to immediately request a change in the title of the thread, if indeed the attacker did not yell 'Britan first'

This is the witness who said he did say "Britain First" at least twice:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eyewitness-says-jo-coxs-attacker-8213376

Who knows what the truth is.

JC

Star Tsar

16th June 2016, 23:43

The reason why Infowars are taking this stand is this post I believe.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89159-Alex-Jones-Exposed&p=1067732&viewfull=1#post1067732

Infowars where bigging them (Britain First) up just a few weeks ago. Richie Allen makes the point I am trying to make waaaaaaay better than I can.

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ThePythonicCow

17th June 2016, 00:33

then it might be a good idea to immediately request a change in the title of the thread, if indeed the attacker did not yell 'Britan first'

I don't know what actually happened, but I took a guess, and changed this thread's title from:

Jo Cox MP murdered, killer reported to shout 'Britain first', Brexit referendum delayed?
to:

Jo Cox MP murdered. News media claims killer shouted 'Britain first' (to delay Brexit referendum?)

Cidersomerset

17th June 2016, 06:00

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.19.0/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Jo Cox death: Vigils held in memory of killed Labour MP

1 hour ago
From the section England

Read more
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36555996

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http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11D96/production/_90001137_dfa8d82d-5bd5-456d-84dd-0da9d7c10781.jpg
The arrested man has been named locally as Tommy Mair

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1757A/production/_90001659_mp_w_yorkshire_map624.png

Mrs Cox was attacked outside her constituency surgery at Birstall Library

from report....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36555996

Ewan

17th June 2016, 07:41

The killler's brother says he is shocked, Tommy had no political leanings but has had mental health issues in the past for which he received help.

Snoweagle

17th June 2016, 08:25

My heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of Jo Cox.

I am truly sickened by this news. I believe we are watching the fabrication of evidence by a dark hand. The same dark hand that gave us the Exeter bomber and a suite of other horrendous events here in the UK. This event alone will shock the the Brits rigid and they will be baying for blood.

I do not believe Thomas Mair has anything to do with this. No, I do not know him in any way. It just seems strange and jolly convenient the following information can be publicised within minutes and hours after the death of Jo Cox.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/16/jo-cox-mp-everything-we-know-so-far-about-thomas-mair/

The first three paragraphs instantly summarise possible reasons for his guilt. All vague and circumstantial.
The man being held in connection with the death of MP Jo Cox has been named as Thomas Mair, who was described as a “loner” with a history of mental health problems who had previously subscribed to a far-right magazine.
Mair, 52, who was arrested by armed officers shortly after the attack, had spoken about receiving “psychotherapy and medication”, and was described by his younger brother as having “a history of mental illness”.
Despite being born in Kilmarnock, Scotland, a decade-old website posting identified Mair as a subscriber to S. A. Patriot, a South African magazine that was published by the pro-apartheid group, the White Rhino Club.

And his brother had this to say:
His brother, Scott, 49, said he had “a history of mental illness”. Scott Mair told reporters he had wept when he heard about the killing of Mrs Cox.
He said: “I am struggling to believe what has happened. My brother is not violent and is not all that political. I don’t even know who he votes for. He has a history of mental illness, but he has had help.”
Visibly shaking, he added: “I cried when I heard.I am so sorry for her and her family.”

Even when Thomas Mair was interviewed in 2011 he was open about the difficulties he'd had and cherished nothing more than working outdoors:
In 2011, Mair spoke of how he had volunteered to work as a groundsman at the nearby Oakwell Hall County Park, which had helped ease his mental health problems.
He told a local newspaper: "I can honestly say it has done me more good than all the psychotherapy and medication in the world. "Many people who suffer from mental illness are socially isolated and disconnected from society, feelings of worthlessness are also common mainly caused by long-term unemployment.
"All these problems are alleviated by doing voluntary work. Getting out of the house and meeting new people is a good thing, but more important in my view is doing physically demanding and useful labour.
"When you have finished there is a feeling of achievement which is emotionally rewarding and psychologically fulfilling.
"For people for whom full-time, paid employment is not possible for a variety of reasons, voluntary work offers a socially positive and therapeutic alternative."

Does that sound like a man who harbours bitterness and hatred?

And the neighbours have nothing but positive comments to make about the mans behaviour:
Kathleen Cooke, 62, said: "I am really shocked. He walked past my house this morning and said hello like he always does. He was wearing a grey T shirt and his white baseball cap like he always does and he was carrying a small rucksack.
"He is just a quiet bloke who keeps himself to himself. "He is very helpful and he helps local people with their gardens. There is one neighbour who is a bit frail and he keeps her garden tidy. He has helped me cut my hedge a couple of times.
"He has lived here for 40 years and has never been in any trouble and has never caused any trouble. He sometimes used to shout at the local kids if they played too near his house but that is fairly normal.

Of those very endearing comments of the man he was known to be non political or alternatively, there is currently no evidence to suggest he'd had any political engagement whatsoever as the Telegraph interviewee and his brother state:
"I don't think he belonged to any political party and I never heard him express any views about Europe or anything like that. To us, he was just Tommy, a local bloke we all knew.
"He did not have a job but I think he went down to the Job Centre to help people on the computer from time to time - I think it was something he had to do to get his dole money."
David Pickles, 62, an assembly worker , said: "I was speechless when I heard the news - I could not believe it. He is just a bit of a loner who keeps himself to himself but always says hello. He seemed to like his own company but I would not say he was unfriendly - he would always pass the time of day.
"I know he spent a lot of time in the library in town and liked to go on the computers there - I don't know what he was looking up."

In my opinion Thomas Mair is INNOCENT.

The only piece of evidence from an eyewitness who saw the murderer walking away is that he was wearing a black hat. A black hat. So I would suggest the police and security services start their investigations into secular communities that promote the wearing of Black Hats.

This happened outside a library. Why is there such a dearth of feedback from the public?

We are watching trial by secular media here in the UK. Nothing could be more obvious. I just hope the UK public are awake enough to see through this apparent sham.

One lost life does not a nation make.

Lets move on and do this referendum.

Currently that is my opinion.
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Watching the first video in post #18 with that witness being interviewed: I assert that man is is fabricating a story. I do not believe him.

Ewan

17th June 2016, 10:13

Althena

17th June 2016, 13:06

These modern days' sacrifices are all too real, false flag or not. They're offing people left and right to help them push their agendas and motives. Dangerous times we're living in. Yeah, now I really feel like giving up my guns, idiots.

Cidersomerset

17th June 2016, 15:33

From BBC article below

West Yorkshire Police have so far refused to discuss the possible motive behind the killing.

So far this seems more of a mental health issue rather than a
racial hate crime , though one could have been exasperated
by the other . This was obviously pre meditated as he knew
she was doing local surgery work and he had the weapon
with him. So there is still more to come out I think .....

longer vid on BBC link below.

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Jo Cox MP death: David Cameron and Jeremy Corbyn unite in tributes

13 minutes ago

Read more.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36560895

Cidersomerset

17th June 2016, 19:29

Jo Cox MP death: Police probe right-wing links to MP's killing

Now it may be starting.....

It could be a distraction tactic as speculated by Francis Richard Connolly in the
Ritchie Allen vid below to take the press off other stories, a common political/press
spin tactic to deflect from other issues....( nothing new to us ) but they are still able
to pull the wool over most people, though more are seeing through them , despite
the corporate press and media very reluctant to report the truth as its not in their
owners interest....

Though there are still a few genuine attacks the majority definitely seem to false
flag events as the alternate media has been reporting for years now.

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.19.0/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Jo Cox MP death: Police probe right-wing links to MP's killing

Police investigating the killing of MP Jo Cox have said they are prioritising
inquiries into the suspect's possible links to right-wing extremism

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36560895

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Film-maker Francis Richard Conolly "Jo Cox Murder Will Be Exploited By Vote Remain Camp!"

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Published on 17 Jun 2016

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Sean

17th June 2016, 22:13

You don't have to be a detective to figure out the motive here. One week before Brexit vote, an anti-brexit MP gets whacked, and now all the pro-brexit people get painted as murderous lunatics.

I hope the british people see through this and vote themselves out of the EU. EU and the NAU(north american union)are big parts of the globalist agenda..a free england really screws that up.

Where's King Arthur, the Knights, and Merlin when you need 'em ;)

jc71

17th June 2016, 23:02

I'm curious to know from the more economically minded if there may be another reason for the US Equities turnaround mentioned earlier in the thread.
I'm struggling to understand how the killing would promote so much confidence to effect such a turnaround.

Hi Ewan,

It is simply that the markets think that this may influence the referendum towards remain which means that the charade can continue for longer. They have come back down since...

JC

norman

18th June 2016, 00:44

Well, for what it's worth, the guy who was probably the closest to the killing has made a clear enough point, to my eyes, at least.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag289/mclies2/brexit-bollox1_zpsrzhsrrgh.jpg

Dry cleaner owner, Mr Ahmed Tahir was interviewed by Bethany Davis and he stated that contrary to reports in the media, although he witnessed the attack he did not tackle the gunman and at no time did the gunman shout "Britain first".

He put the sign in the window of his shop because of the untrue reports.

AS you might imagine, I've been listening intensely to the Beeb today, and until about 2pm they were hammering the link with Bexit. Suddenly they stopped.

Shame on the Beeb.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag289/mclies2/Stupid%20people%20in%20large%20groups_zpsbqgyhnya.jpg

norman

18th June 2016, 01:20

errr...I've just been emailed by a dear old friend of mine, who has come up with a bang-on turn of phrase to cover this phenomenon.

She said, "We've just been head ambushed"

ElvenMyst

18th June 2016, 02:28

I feel desperately sad for Jo Cox, her husband and family. She was one of the few genuine members of the political class.
I don't feel this was a false flag event....I don't know but I can only go by my inner discernment...that's all we can rely on amongst this world of disinformation and over information.

There are many things wrong with the EU and I am concerned about the superstate element of it BUT I will be voting Remain (as will nearly all of my highly informed and thoughtful friends) because I do not trust the political class in this country. Vote for Brexit and you will end up with Boris as PM, Iain Duncan Smith as chancellor or Home Secretary, Gove as something or other and maybe even Farage joining the appalling line up. They peddle the politics of fear and discord. It is austerity that has created problems...not immigration. If you think they're going to spend an extra £ 350 million a week on the NHS you are deluded.

I hope that Jo's murder causes people to pause and think again about he real issues at stake in the referendum. A mafia researcher recently stated that the UK (it's elite and political class) was the most corrupt on the planet...vote Brexit and we are totally at the mercy of these people without the social and moral moderating influence of being in the EU.
I hope common sense prevails (sorry for the rant.)

Ewan

18th June 2016, 10:14

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/17/britain-first-eyewitness-bnp-member-list/

The eyewitness who insists Jo Cox’s killer shouted “Britain First” before murdering the MP was on the leaked British Nationalist Party (BNP) membership and contacts list. Britain First and the BNP are known to be openly hostile toward one another.

As a result of eyewitness Clarke Rothwell’s claims, the media have been quick to link the Labour MP’s murder to Britain First, a hard line nationalist group. Much of the press has also linked the killing to Britain’s European Union (EU) referendum, and Germany’s Chancellor Merkel has claimed the Leave campaign is to blame for the murder, for using “radical” language.

Mr Rothwell, who witnessed the brutal attack on the mother of two, told BBC Newsnight: “The words I heard [Cox’s attacker] say were Britain first, or put Britain first,

“I can’t say exactly what it was but definitely Britain first is what he said, what he was shouting. He shouted it at least twice.”

Gas fitter Mr Rothwell, who was working near to the murder scene yesterday, appears on the leaked BNP membership and contacts list. Britain First was founded as a splinter group of the now effectively defunct, far right BNP and there is known hostility between the two groups.

It appears a spat between the BNP and Britain First may be clouding Jo Cox murder. https://t.co/Iz0yVt2Xro pic.twitter.com/51eFXzZtat

— Peter Thompson (@TheRedRag) June 17, 2016

The gunman, named locally as Thomas Mair, has a history of mental health problems. His brother, Scott, told reporters: “My brother is not violent and is not all that political.”

The original claim for the “Britain First” shout was local dry cleaner Aamir Tahir. In the following hours, however, Mr. Tahir has told other news outlets that he “wasn’t there [at the scene]” and simply heard the allegation as second-hand information. Another witness, Hicham Ben Abdallah, has said that he heard no such claim.

There is no record of the last witness named in the Guardian – Graeme Howard – living in the area, though they claim he lived on Bond Street, just minutes away from the site of the murder. Breitbart London visited Bond Street – a tiny road – last night, and could not find Mr. Howard.

A sign in a shop window close to where Mrs. Cox was killed insists that “no one shouted Britain First” at any time.

(see picture above posted by Norman)

Britain First

Other eyewitnesses also denied hearing it:

Eyewitness tells reporters he didn't hear anyone shout "Britain first", saying: "Never heard that". pic.twitter.com/DWhzqe7ayi

— Ben (@Jamin2g) June 16, 2016

Britain First spokesman Jayda Fransen distanced her organisation from the attacks, which she called “absolutely disgusting”. She told LBC radio that Britain First have “a very strict code of conduct” and that there is “no violence tolerated at all”.

“We’re a registered political party and we hold legal protests. We absolutely condemn this kind of behaviour. We think it is disgusting in fact. Attacking an MP is an attack on democracy.”

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list,_reference

His name is approximately 75% of the way down the page. (I hope they have the right Clarke Rothwell).

Apparently the guy is in court this morning as -

https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/744096403094409216
Daniel Sandford Verified account
‏@BBCDanielS

Asked his name the defendant in the dock says "My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain."

So this rather flies in the face of brother's statement about not being at all political. Therefore makes me wonder if the guy has been programmed, primed and let loose. It seems every time there is anything like this the 'guilty' party has mental health issues.

Angela Merkel on Friday warned that the killing of British MP Jo Cox should serve as a stark reminder to politicians to avoid inflammatory language.

“This is a terrible precedent,” said the German chancellor. “The overall lesson must be that we behave with respect to each other, including when we have different political beliefs . . . Otherwise radicalisation will definitely not be stopped.”

From http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e2d9d388-3493-11e6-bda0-04585c31b153.html

Looks like she just nicely linked BREXIT by association without actually saying it.

bluestflame

18th June 2016, 11:39

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/16/new-world-order-desperation-the-brexit-fixit-psyop/

New World Order Desperation: the Brexit Fixit Psyop

The European Union (EU) is a certain template for the New World Order (NWO)

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/ScreenHunter_145-Jun.-17-00.59.jpg

Stewrigh

18th June 2016, 12:23

It does sound a bit too convenient doesn't it?
More comments here

http://thewealthwatchman.com/globalist-desperation-leads-to-sabotage-on-the-world-stage/

Pam

18th June 2016, 12:41

Carmody

18th June 2016, 12:44

Also, if she was considered to be 'not a member of the political class', this would have a tendency to make her a 'sacrificial goat' in the world of controlled politics. There would be a desire to have her eliminated. No matter if she is 'on board' with the desired direction of outcome with her associated group..or not.

ie a perfect 'two-fer' for something like the hidden hand. A perfect target for a desired outcome. A two for one deal. Eliminate the decent person who is not an insider in order to avoid potential future issues, and incite the public to vote to the given direction desired.

It is this particular paring of potentials in fundamentals .....which casts such deeply deserved suspicion upon the event.

jaybee

18th June 2016, 12:48

.
@ ElvenMyst - if you can't trust the political class in this country - what on earth makes you think you can trust the political class in 28 other European countries - that you have no chance of influencing but who can make political decisions that affect you..?

C'mon - not trusting politicians is an argument for Leaving not Remaining -

Bill Ryan

18th June 2016, 12:57

@ ElvenMyst - if you can't trust the political class in this country - what on earth makes you think you can trust the political class in 28 other European countries - that you have no chance of influencing but who can make political decisions that affect you..?

C'mon - not trusting politicians is an argument for Leaving not Remaining -

Respect for ElvenMyst: but I don't think this is the real issue.

A vote to remain is a vote for the NWO. A vote for Brexit is a vote against their plans.

The EU is a beta test for the rest of the world. It if fails — which it well might after Brexit — then the NWO agenda may be set back decades. That's the one thing that's more important than anything else.

jaybee

18th June 2016, 13:05

It does sound a bit too convenient doesn't it?
More comments here

http://thewealthwatchman.com/globalist-desperation-leads-to-sabotage-on-the-world-stage/

The timing of it is very very suspicious - just when all the polls were putting the Leave Camp ahead -

Right Wing groups are obviously going to be infiltrated by government agents so it's possible that this vulnerable man was groomed and encouraged to attack Jo Cox -- by associates of the Remain Camp -

A kind of lower level Manchurian Candidate thing -

It may not have the desired effect though...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-17/first-brexit-poll-after-jo-cox-death-reveals-stunning-result

The sad death of pro-EU British MP Jo Cox prompted a buying spree in Sterling that carried on through today as hope sprung eternal that her assassination (and the efforts to politicize the actions of a mad man) would lead to either a delayed vote or sympathetic pro-EU "Remain" swing. JPMorgan hinted before the close that was not the case and now, as USA Today reports, the first post-Cox poll reveals a shocking swing in "Remain" voters...

British support for remaining in the European Union has weakened in the wake of the murder of the pro-EU politician Jo Cox, according to an online research company Friday.

Mark (Star Mariner)

18th June 2016, 14:19

There are many things wrong with the EU and I am concerned about the super-state element of it BUT I will be voting Remain (as will nearly all of my highly informed and thoughtful friends) because I do not trust the political class in this country. Vote for Brexit and you will end up with Boris as PM, Iain Duncan Smith as chancellor or Home Secretary, Gove as something or other and maybe even Farage joining the appalling line up.

I understand your feelings on this Elvenmyst, but I think it would be best to completely ignore all the 'as advertised' political reasons "for" and "against". The media will not give you the truth anyway, it's all mud-slinging, and party one-upmanship. You can quote Boris, Duncan Smith, and Farage, and think this is a terrible scenario. Is it any better than Blair, Brown, Cameron, or anyone else we have had? No. They are the same. They are all the same. They promise different, but deliver the same. From whatever party or political persuasion, they are, and always have been, the same. At the end of the day it really doesn't matter what idiot MPs we'll be left with if we leave the EU, we'll have them anyway if we stay.

I came to the conclusion long ago that Politics is a circus and a sham. Once upon a time, politics was chiefly about representing (and improving) the public welfare. Maybe that's what Jo Cox was, or hoped to be, and it made her unpopular to someone. I don't know. But today, in a nutshell, politics (at least in Westminster) is only about A) aligning one's self with this or that corporate interest (sponsor), and ultimately seeking out what's best (financially) for them - because what's best for them, is definitely best for you. B) Doing what they're told by those really in charge. And C) Maintaining the Status Quo, which means: a rich and getting richer 'upper crust', and a productive and obedient working class (obedient enough that they do not revolt). That's about it. It really doesn't matter who you support, or who you think is a good candidate, or comes across as the best orator (they all train vigorously in that regard, and more often than not read from a teleprompter), none of them - repeat none of them will ever come to improve the public welfare.

That's how I see it anyway, and maybe that's cynical, maybe that's overly simplistic. But maybe that's the best way to look at it: to base one's opinions and decisions on the most basic, simplistic, overriding facts, rather than any perceived political agenda spoon-fed to us by the (owned and paid-for) mainstream media outlets.

Some people will avoid this political mud-slinging and take the high ground, and vote to Remain in the EU anyway - because they're voting simply for "Unity". They have admirable intentions, and they think they're looking at the 'bigger picture'. But I'm looking at a different bigger picture. To me, a vote for Unity does indeed (normally) mean progress and it is the only way forward in any human endeavour, as opposed to Division, which is regressive and leads only to fragmentation and further separation. Every fibre of my being tells me Unity is the way. But remaining in the EU is not about unity and the togetherness of European peoples, of their philosophies and ideals and cultures - it's not even really about politics (on the surface) or economics. It's about falling in (and staying in line) with the globalist march to one, massive super-state.

The only spanner in the works of getting this insidious plan underway is the 'middle-management' at the national level of regional legislation and bureaucracy. What they seem to want to do is remove these middle-men, and ultimately centralize everything under a single European banner (and then an American banner, Asian banner, African banner and so forth), and ultimately unify the world. However ask yourself: under whom, controlled by whom, and by what? By Maniacs and murderers, liars and cheats. Therefore voting to remain in the EU, for me, is the same as voting for the globalist maniacs, murderers, liars and cheats. Voting to leave may not work out in our favour -who knows- but as an act of defiance it is a vote for freedom.

Cidersomerset

18th June 2016, 14:50

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Jo Cox MP death: Thomas Mair in court on murder charge

33 minutes ago
From the section England

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Thomas Mair faced four charges when he appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court

The man charged with the murder of Labour MP Jo Cox has appeared in court and
been remanded in custody.

Thomas Mair gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain", when he
appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court.

read more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36567005

Cidersomerset

18th June 2016, 14:57

I just got back from work and looking on Davids Headline page....

British MP Jo Cox Murdered: Now Comes The Psyop

By David on 18 June 2016 GMT Political Manipulation War and Terror

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ACTIVIST POST.....

British MP Jo Cox Murdered: Now Comes The Psyop

TOPICS:BritainConspiracyJon Rappoport.
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June 17, 2016

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“Create a killer? Take someone who’s unstable, pump him up with SSRI
antidepressants, fill his head full of ideas about violent action, point him in a
desired direction, and stand back.” (The Underground, Jon Rappoport)

On June 23rd, the UK will vote on whether to stay in the European Union
(the “remain” campaign) or leave the EU (“Brexit”).

The polls show a marked shift, with Brexit supporters gaining. Then a British MP, Jo
Cox, who has urged Brits to remain, is murdered.

The man who is arrested, Thomas Mair, is alleged to have shouted “Britain First!”
(Brexit) as he killed Cox. However, now witnesses on the scene are saying they
heard no such thing.

Too late. Social media and news media are running with the “Britain First, Brexit
killer” narrative.’

Read more: British MP Jo Cox Murdered: Now Comes The Psyop

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/06/british-mp-jo-cox-murdered-now-comes-the-psyop.html

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UK Column Live On The Killing of MP Jo Cox

By David on 18 June 2016 GMT Political Manipulation

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Published on 17 Jun 2016
Full Show: https://youtu.be/zgUm7WClEXA

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SHOCK POLL: British Support for EU FALLS in Wake of Jo Cox Murder
Chris Menahan
InformationLiberation
Jun. 17, 2016

Shock Poll: British Support for EU FALLS in Wake of Jo Cox Murder

By David on 18 June 2016 GMT Political Manipulation War and Terror
‘Despite the hysterical media exploiting the murder of Jo Cox to campaign against
Britain leaving the EU, opposition to Brexit is waning according to a new poll.

From USA Today:

LONDON — British support for remaining in the European Union has weakened in
the wake of the murder of the pro-EU politician Jo Cox, according to an online
research company Friday.

Qriously, a London-based technology start-up that gathers data and intelligence
about consumers through mobile phone apps, found that backing among likely
voters for Britain’s EU membership has dropped to 32% from 40% before her death.’

Read more: Shock Poll: British Support for EU FALLS in Wake of Jo Cox Murder

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55024

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Paul Craig Roberts Brexit EU Interview

By David on 18 June 2016 GMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw-aOS1d16I

ThePythonicCow

18th June 2016, 20:48

It is this particular paring of potentials in fundamentals .....which casts such deeply deserved suspicion upon the event.
Yes.

The initial reports of incidents large and small, benign and evil, are usually so confused and insufficient that it's usually hard to know what really happened, and if and how it matters.

However when one observes the weight of the mainstream media jumping on an incident and milking it for multiple nefarious purposes, then one can wager a pretty penny that it was a planned event, another staged or false flag event, for multiple evil purposes, and that what really happened is not what we're told.

Most people are trained in so many ways, such as in school and in the media, to figure out quickly "what the right answer is". Outside of narrow areas where they might have specific expertise or experience, they do not want to be embarrassed by getting it "wrong" or not knowing. They do not trust their own abilities to learn, re-examine, understand, change and refine their views. They trust more what they are told, by people in the "know", and it's their job to regurgitate and stay "in line" with that knowledge of what's going on "out there". Their personal judgment is confined to "personal" choices, such as color dress to where, and whether to wear a dress or pants, and what sports team or political party to support.

The deep and fundamental lie that it's all within, that the world is as we make it, denigrates the common realities, physical, cultural, community, ... that we all share. That lie endorses the position of "sure, think and feel whatever you want, choose whatever gender or life style you like, ... that's all that matters ... pay no real thought to what's going on behind the curtain of external reality ... we'll tell you what choices you have regarding how to think about those matters."

Eric J (Viking)

18th June 2016, 22:03

ThePythonicCow

18th June 2016, 22:22

A vote to remain is a vote for the NWO. A vote for Brexit is a vote against their plans.

The EU is a beta test for the rest of the world. It if fails — which it well might after Brexit — then the NWO agenda may be set back decades. That's the one thing that's more important than anything else.

Yes I agree Bill. Staying in the EU is a stepping stone towards the NWO.

Viking

My take is different. I suspect that "they", the infamous bastards in power, intend to demolish the Eurozone (and quite a bit else), as part of their efforts to reconstruct everything more "in their own image." The Eurozone, and the U.S. Dollar hegemony and quite a bit else, are inherently flawed and doomed ... "in their own image" more than they perhaps realize.

bluestflame

18th June 2016, 22:46

i rekon it's an each way bet , they have both bases covered likely one will be more attractive than the other , but they have thier thinktanks . one way may take a little longer than the other

eventually they plan to demolish all preexisting agreements to herd us all into a "deal with the devil ," ( or who remain after the long anticipated " troubles)

norman

18th June 2016, 22:59

To the bunch behind this global plan nightmare, the planet is a brownfield development site.

Let's hope that if we vote out, the rest of the world follows us, otherwise, things could end up looking like this...............( photo from somewhere in China)
http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag289/mclies2/planers%20confidence_zps9y79l0rm.jpg

Snoweagle

19th June 2016, 13:35

I was wrong.

When I had made my first comment in post #20 it was spontaneous, emotional and without measure. Whilst suspicions impacted us all, it was remiss of me to fire off in such a way without fully reviewing the complete story. The internet curse. I regret the outburst. My thoughts are fully with the family of Jo Cox.

Now he has admitted to the murder I am now mortified. I feel betrayed. Such loss for what gain?

Whats done is done. I apologise for the insinuations and accusations that may have been misconstrued as offense. I hope he suffers the full extent of his incarceration.
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Coincidentally to this event, I am part of a confidential study into the local "grey industry" within the UK. Thomas Mair's activities fitted this group profile. Our deliberations over security of this group was considered a small risk, locally manageable and irrelevant in some respects. This changes everything. The study is private.
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After Brexit the NWO plan is not dead!

The UK will be divided up into privately (Corporate) own cities as defined within the Devolution Act which has already had readings in the House of Commons which will be driven through forcibly after Brexit, I believe.

The populace will be micro-chipped. Or die. Or suffer immeasurably.

The USA and the UK are run by the Kharzarian Mafia. Neither are nation states. Both are Corporations.

Review comment made by @Paul in post #41 for elaboration.

Frenchy

19th June 2016, 18:23

@SnowEagle (#46 )
I suggest that this poor man, sees no alternative than to admit the murder, his interview in 2011 when working for free as Groundsman, demonstrated (imho) , an excellent education, and conversational & intellectual ability...

However, ( Thanks Cidersomerset, for highlighting UKC's ususal accurate analysis... ) :- Just as with Bradley ( Chelsea ) Manning, we see that application of Targeted Individuals (TI's ) to unwittingly be used as Manchurian Candidates, has reached a level of sophistication.

At least the MP's can now clearly see that they need to find other ways of clearing their conscience, using anonymous methods. The Cabal have NO hesitation in killing their own, viz: Gareth Williams [ GCHQ ]...

I don't want to be off-topic, but would add that (as shown by Sandy Hook FF) , these scenarios are planned well in advance....

King Arthur

21st June 2016, 23:10

Eric J (Viking)

22nd June 2016, 06:01

Eric J (Viking)

22nd June 2016, 06:31

Found this....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkYH92hKK8s

Viking

araucaria

22nd June 2016, 14:18

The following interview shows Jo Cox’s husband Brendan getting political mileage out of his wife’s death. Quite a few commenters express surprise at his composure. They also provide the other two links for possible reasons why.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jo-cox-died-for-her-political-views-says-husband-brendan-cox-in-first-interview-a7093856.html
https://theholisticworks.com/2016/06/19/the-truth-about-the-late-jo-cox-mp-and-her-husband-brendan/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3298572/New-charity-scandal-Save-Children-executive-quits-women-s-complaints-inappropriate-behaviour.html

Verdilac

23rd June 2016, 01:39

I'm looking on in disbelief at the media frenzy following this sad event. How this gentleman is functioning at all is beyond belief ,add to that the realisation that he is now a single parent, what is annoying to me also & like Araucaria said , is that someone appears to have taken control to gain political mileage from the situation.

If you can empathise for a moment, even the strongest among us would go to ground for quite a while just to find some kind of way to function.

Also what I have noticed after this happened . Is a rally cry went out on the media to explain that being a politician it quite noble cause etc and we should applaud them for taking up there roles. I wouldn't disagree with this as a have encountered some very genuine MP's & such like , but having said that, most of the people I've been acquainted with have decided to take no further part when they find out how it works at some levels.

Snoweagle

11th July 2016, 17:08

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/21/busted-jo-cox-murder-is-completely-fraudulent-and-faked/comment-page-1/#comment-646888

BUSTED: British MP was “rescued” by Dead Man?

The hero who tried to save her had actually been dead for three years

It appears I wasn't the only one to jump to conclusions without waiting for the dissemination of all the facts.

Veterans Today, Ian Greenhalgh has issued an apology for his assertion as previously reported:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/21/busted-jo-cox-murder-is-completely-fraudulent-and-faked/comment-page-1/#comment-646888
"UPDATE: It now appears that there was a mis-identification and there were actually two Bernard Kennys in West Yorkshire and each was/is married to a Doreen. This reminds me of one of the main reasons why I usually keep my distance from conspiracy theories and, as I wrote in the opening sentence, leave the poring over the little details to others – let them work out the details while we remain focused on the bigger picture.

So, we have a false lead here, sorry to everyone for that. However, . . . "

Quite an emotive event and still the dust hasn't settled.

Did I read or hear somewhere that Jo Cox had intended to announce to the House of Commons she had a dossier of describing the intent of a right wing organisation to do something bad?

edit: here it is:
https://www.rt.com/uk/347448-cox-right-wing-extremism/

So now the question is, "Where is and what will happen to this dossier?

edit: and here it is:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-killing-suspect-far-right-links-a-priority-line-of-inquiry
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36560895

Then of course, a few things that I hadn't been aware of that might have had some bearing on the events leading up to her death such as Jo was an advocate for Syrian and Palestinian rights:
http://www.arabamerica.com/british-mp-advocate-syria-palestine-dies/

and Gaza:
http://passionislam.com/articles.php?articles_id=366
supporting photograph:
http://i0.wp.com/www.lfpme.org/userfiles/images/LFPME%202015%20intake%20%282%29.JPG?resize=678%2C464

Note: have been offline for two weeks, no internet access. What a two week period this has been!