Why leave the EU..?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Excellent read as to why we should leave the EU...

http://eutruth.org.uk/

Viking

[meat suit]

well.. one version of the truth...
what amuses me is that all those arguments kind of apply to the royal family....

[Red Skywalker]

Because (also) of this:


http://www.relay-of-life.org/images/nazi-roots_book_blue.png

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Georg Santayana

You can read it from the official site here:

http://www.relay-of-life.org/nazi-roots/chapter.html


Mindful of this, we, as the authors, consider it our responsibility to encourage our readers not only to read this book, but also to visit and study the source documents noted at the bottom of its pages. For almost three-quarters of a century, the world has been told that WWII was caused by a psychopath, Adolf Hitler, and his entourage of racist hooligans, the Nazis. The facts are, however, that WWII was a conquest war conducted on behalf of the Chemical, Oil and Drug Cartel with the goal of controlling the multi-trillion dollar global markets in the newly-emerging fields of patented chemical products.

Official documents from the U.S. Congress and the Nuremberg war crimes tribunals unequivocally show that WWII was not only prepared, but also logistically and technically facilitated by the largest and most notorious oil and drug cartel at that time, namely, the German IG Farben cartel, composed of Bayer, BASF, Hoechst and other chemical companies. The summary of the indictment from Nuremberg proves that without IG Farben, WWII could not have taken place.

You will also learn in this book that WWI, the second largest tragedy of the twentieth century, was actually the first attempt at world conquest by these corporate interests. Moreover, after both these military attempts to subjugate Europe and the world had failed, the Oil and Drug Cartel invested in a third attempt: the economic and political conquest of Europe by means of the ‘Brussels EU’.

As usual, educate yourself, history is not what you have been told.
(BTW, Joseph Farrell made also almost the same conclusions)

However, I think a Brexit or not, is not the biggest issue, the EU will fall as a cardhouse when Deutsche Bank falls, and it will...

[Sunny-side-up]

What a world ha :(

From the US to GB to EU

Or should I just say Mega-Rich-Elites with no souls from what ever country they came from!

[meat suit]

all governed arrangements are double edged swords...
like I always tell my bees... you get a house and i get your honey...

I have enjoyed great freedom as a result of the EU being what it is... moved from Germany to the UK like its the same country... great..
yeah there may be dark agendas but thats not all there is.

[Verdilac]

How about 29 reasons to vote to leave or just the 1 if you prefer give vague retort .

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-2008-3106+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

The answer is interesting and doesn't go into enough detail given the gravity of the question, dismissive even.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?reference=E-2008-3106&language=EN

[Verdilac]

all governed arrangements are double edged swords...
like I always tell my bees... you get a house and i get your honey...

I have enjoyed great freedom as a result of the EU being what it is... moved from Germany to the UK like its the same country... great..
yeah there may be dark agendas but thats not all there is.

I share your point of view to a certain extent, and as a Brit I've loved every moment of my time all over Europe, but to give an example. At the pointed end of things in Portugal were tough when the euro came in, really tough so there are downsides for some people.

Furthermore individual countries characters and charms are being destroyed and there simply isn't a way back when your heritage is gone.

Destroying individuality for the sake making life easyer or the same as another is just pointless unless you want to live life like a robot, I don't and its the reason why love Europe's individual places & people.

I do understand the bigger picture and what is trying to be achieved, but how its being done is questionable & quite corrupt and far too invasive for everyone involved.

[Conde]

Here is another good source...


https://escapetheusanow.com/?gclid=CM3LtNPBvM0CFQkfhgodj7AGDQ

[sunwings]

Travel disruption and floods in South East after thunderstorms

HARP is working Flat Out Today to disturb the Votes!

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36603508

[Soul Safari]

Travel disruption and floods in South East after thunderstorms

HARP is working Flat Out Today to disturb the Votes!

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36603508

The Southeast is at a standstill. Where I live is flooded. No Trains to London People are stuck on the roads unable to move

[Violet]

Over here too. Gloomy grey.

On the otherhand, Uranus is on the radar, so who knows...

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/surprise.gif

The member states are entitled to their individuality.

Cultural values, local heritage, individual history are very important as is an acknowledgement thereof. Forcefully replacing that with an artificially unified culture is crazy. It also ties into the rise of extreme right sentiments.

Knowing other cultures has been levelled down to external (physical) appearance. I'm under the impression that there was much more knowledge about other member states as well an interest to gain it, when each still had its own independence (and absolute individuality).

The current member states are connected by paper work, articles, legislation, but we are humans not databases.

The argument that all fare well doesn't convince me. They fare well so long as the union keeps existing and funding, among others, local chaos and corruption, and so long as all EU-citizens keep accepting increasing taxes to uphold this system. And there are no opportunities for evaluation of the structure, in which citizens can take part. It's not questioned.

I'm simply not convinced that those who came in weaker won't still come out weak when the union ends (Not even sure how strong starters will do, by now).

They should have been prioritised and handed practical tools and education to deal with internal affairs differently, even if, on pain of some sanction. So that they could become renewed, stronger and independent within the union. That hasn't happened. I wonder how such (weaker) countries view themselves within the union.

[DawnUnicorn]

I'll repeat my point here as right now I am so confused about this whole thing. I feel like its nazi's vs Zionists for want of a better phrase. The lesser of two evils. I feel like neither party care about the people, we're just caught up in this. How can I trust the leave campaign when it's supporters include Murdoch and in turn, his best friends , the Rothschilds!?

[Carmody]

That such fun can be had in this world.....

original:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CloUHyjXIAEjXWV.jpg:large

and the inevitable modifications:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CloawdkWQAEfks-.jpg:large

[Carmody]

I'll repeat my point here as right now I am so confused about this whole thing. I feel like its nazi's vs Zionists for want of a better phrase. The lesser of two evils. I feel like neither party care about the people, we're just caught up in this. How can I trust the leave campaign when it's supporters include Murdoch and in turn, his best friends , the Rothschilds!?

That's what happens when we let fascists and oligarchs run around in the backdrop, and allow ourselves to be distracted into being their commodity and food animal. When realizing we are in a blind chute...when we finally get close enough to the door of the slaughterhouse, do we finally hear the screams.

Is it too late to regain cotnrol?

No.

Is it possible to awaken enough people and get them all moving in as much a unified and understanding direction... as it will take to change it?

Possible, but difficult.

Sacrifice of all known comforts is probably on the table for such a group and probably for a decade.

One would have to break the life they know. In near totality.. maximum effort.

Everything you are, everything you know and everything you'll ever be, is the risk... and... the reward.

You are dealing with sociopaths, who will push all things to all limits. they will not let go as parasites and dogma that are deep as what they possess and are, require a host in order to live, so they will fight to the death.

now people begin to understand that there is no place to hide, no boat to freedom, no country they can go and hide in.

this time it's global and all encompassing. No way out.

The elite parasitical oligarchical fascism saw it too.... and they saw it before you did.

So they quietly fight among themselves in a code of silence, keeping the prey unaware as they can, while they fight for your mental downturn and imprisonment so they can keep their position in the food chain and nightmare mess....that they forced into being.

[DawnUnicorn]

Well said, yes, they won't go down without a fight... I believe there are those on both sides fighting for the good though.. I'm guessing by your post you would suggest not even voting at all? Or am I wrong? Leave or stay? Will it even make a difference ? I'm up for anything that may act as a catalyst for a mass awakening and unrest at this point.

[Carmody]

I think the idea of a brexit vote itself is something that begins to emerge as a bit of a sweat on the brow of the elite.

A little too close to the idea of a mass awakening. the wood is drying out and can be stuck by any spark, which may cause a wildfire.

The right spark is needed. The word is powerful.

Which words?

[Red Skywalker]

As usual, educate yourself, history is not what you have been told.
(BTW, Joseph Farrell made also almost the same conclusions)

Talking about Joseph Farrell, here is his latest view from the Nefarium (23 June):

First Brexit Poll After Jo Cox Death Reveals Stunning Result

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and on his website: http://gizadeathstar.com/2016/06/news-views-nefarium-june-23-2016/

[Enola]

I would be surprised if Britain doesn't stay, although I think it should go.

The Western European countries that have remained outside of the EU seem to have thrived financially.

[Sérénité]

They won't let us go...no chance.

I voted purely as I feel I've no justification to moan when we get the remain result if I haven't at least stood up and attempted to be counted.
As the saying goes, if voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

Only pencils are available in the poling stations to mark the cross...are you serious?! :confused::facepalm:

So I took my own pen...and dug that cross in there deep, I hope everyone else did too. But then again, call me cynical...if they can put men on the moon ;) then I'm pretty sure fiddling a voting system is a mere walk in the park!

The outcome we get will be the outcome THEY want...

[giovonni]

They won't let us go...no chance.

I voted purely as I feel I've no justification to moan when we get the remain result if I haven't at least stood up and attempted to be counted.
As the saying goes, if voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

Only pencils are available in the poling stations to mark the cross...are you serious?! :confused::facepalm:

So I took my own pen...and dug that cross in there deep, I hope everyone else did too. But then again, call me cynical...if they can put men on the moon ;) then I'm pretty sure fiddling a voting system is a mere walk in the park!

The outcome we get will be the outcome THEY want...

Yes, upgrading voting systems worldwide is much needed, there has to be a more secure and honest way ...

And congratulations for taking time and voting ... :yo:

[Verdilac]

now people begin to understand that there is no place to hide, no boat to freedom, no country they can go and hide in.

this time it's global and all encompassing. No way out.

Brilliant , for me that one statement really sums up what we are all facing globally, and the more quickly everybody realises this, the more of a chance we all have.

[Agape]

If they did some of these referendums twice in short span of time people would fix the votes I believe ;)






I'm experiencing terrible energy surge this week if not for the fact that i also wanna leave the EU. Even the Planet ..
it makes feel like inherently the bad guy .

:flower:

[Enola]

The upcoming pictures of the spokes-persons are well shady. Body-language says it all. British politicians are so bad, they can't even act.

[Cidersomerset]

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.19.1/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

First results in UK's historic referendum on EU membership


8 minutes ago

From the section EU Referendum

Read more...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36612368

live TV link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

[Verdilac]

The pound seems to be falling with every vote that comes in.

I've been thinking this for months but if it is a leave vote, will they try and use it as an opportunity to crash the UK economy.

[Cidersomerset]

Halfway thru the results show Brexit in the lead...


Referendum of the United Kingdom's membership of the European Union

Last updated 24 Jun at 03:49

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

46.3% Reporting

Votes

Remain a member of the European Union


48.6%

6,581,905

Leave the European Union

51.4%

6,947,780


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eu+referendum+results&hl=en&biw=1536&bih=765&site=imghp&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji14b_07_NAhXrCMAKHWuUBWgQ_AUIBSgA&dpr=1.25

[Callista]

Here is the link to the results we are watching:

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/brexit-live-election-results/ar-AAhpf6e?ocid=ansmsnnews11

[Violet]

The PM has just resigned.

[Eric J (Viking)]

The PM has just resigned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/david-cameron-announces-his-resignation---full-statement/

Viking

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

The outcome we get will be the outcome THEY want...

I am quite certain that the result they got was not AT ALL what they wanted!


They won't let us go...no chance.

I guess you're feeling quite surprised today? hehe don't worry, you're not alone in that lol. It would seem the 'sleeping masses' that we think buy all the rhetoric and the fear-mongering and the bull**** they feed us...are not quite so asleep after all - or at least are not quite the minority we thought they were.

[ozmirage]

Excellent read as to why we should leave the EU...
http://eutruth.org.uk/

It's not just the EU that's killing Europe.


"With the English giving birth at a rate of 1.3 children per couple, and immigrants an average of 8 children, in 20 years the English will be a minor minority, ruled by an immigrant nation."

Sadly, this low birthrate is a consequence of socialism and its illusion of "other people's resources."
Socialism works until it runs out of "other people's money."
And when people believe they'll be taken care of by "other people's children," they are reluctant to procreate - which backfires once they run out of "other people's children."

Socialist nations all share a declining birthrate, and thus depopulation. Which may explain the inexplicable - allowing an influx of immigrants. But it will spell doom for those countries. The native aging population will not be treated well by the foreign invaders, who will balk at their support.

It will not end well.

{Ironically, Europe's once booming population was the cause of worldwide colonization and settlement. Thanks to Socialism, that's over.}