Doubt has surfaced, advice please.

[Ewan]

I have just finished reading Limor's contribution to the 'Our Experience with Simon Parkes' thread and it has given me some cause for concern.

False Light and Traps of Agreement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1076633&viewfull=1#post1076633)

A few months ago I was watching 'The Matrix Decoded' by Mark Passio and at one point within that video, (or perhaps I had moved onto a subsequent video), he gives a very negative opinion of the book "A Course In Miracles", and then goes on to talk about solipsism and how utterly stupid that is. I was quite stunned as ACIM is something like my equivalent of a bible and it created doubt in my mind. After thinking on it for some time I recalled that my most authentic spiritual experience had come as a direct result of reading that book and that perhaps he just failed to understand what the book was really trying to point to.

Now today I have read that post regarding False Light etc. and once again I have doubt, this time I am questioning whether the experience was even genuine or was it just another 'magic' show. My 'gut' tells me it was real, authentic, but having had no other experience, and none prior, I have nothing with which to compare.

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

[Violet]

In a conversation with a good friend of mine about spiritual matters we dealt with the same question, which by then for me I decided no longer to be a question anymore.

What we call belief. If you believe in a benevolent source enough to address it for guidance and help, and if you believe that this source has the goodness and power to help you find your way then when you ask for a sign or a miracle or any other favour, the first genuine feeling/moment you are sure that your answer has arrived, accept it.

Otherwise, why believe in an ultimate benevolence if you keep depriving it of opportunities to make its way to you.

[giovonni]

Always go with your gut.


in this illusive realm made of smoke and mirrors ...



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There Is Only Love

[Eram]

Hi Ewan,

I don't know what kind of spiritual experience you had as a result of the ACIM book, but perhaps you are able to judge it in means of how it changed you in relation to your environment and your loved ones.

If it made you a more loving, giving, participating, understanding (etc) man, then who is Mark Passio to tell you that you have to mistrust that experience?


Yes, solipsism does not agree with reality, but is a deeply profound, live changing spiritual experience part of a solipsistic (Did I spell that correct? :P) false idea about life?

Are archons now attached to you because you lifted the quality of your emotions?

I doubt it. :)

[greybeard]

Ewan you can either listen to Simon or the spiritual greats like Christ "The Father and I are one"--Ramana Maharshi ,Nasargadatta The Bagavad Gita and countless others.
Only God is and you are that--there is only one soul.
Dr Eben Alexander says that in the closing words of the video on this link--other NDE people have said that.
Countless mystics testify and have said "I am the totality all of it" If you believe there is the possibility of unity consciousness/ Christ consciousness, I suggest exploring what that really means. One is one without a second--non duality
There is nothing to fear, that is the message of the mystics and NDE.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbkgj5J91hE

[Heyoka_11]

G'day Ewan,

As you'd be well aware, ACIM asks for a total commitment: it is not a path to walk in a half-hearted manner. Being well beyond the ability of most, it would attract it doubters, who would base their disapproval on this or that, but don't let that stray you from your path, too quickly.

Question by all means, but do so slowly, giving it plenty of time.

Reason to question a heartfelt belief can be unnerving, but welcome it also as an opportunity to reaffirm.

Regards,

Tony.

[Did You See Them]

I had an experience of oneness years ago that brought "the meaning of life" in to TOTAL clarity !!
VERY hard to remember or put into words to describe - it was so pure.
It was so Simple - we all are part of one like facets on a diamond and life requires "time" for us to be individuals whilst still remaining "rooted" to the source - like a lightning strike is not singular but all the same energy interacting with the planet.

[Biff]

Plenty of people have had their lives changed for the better from being inspired by a work of fiction like ACIM (https://inpursuitofhappiness.wordpress.com/2013/12/19/a-course-in-miracles-a-cia-exercise-in-mind-control/) or Urantia. Does that make it all meaningless?

[ulli]

I have just finished reading Limor's contribution to the 'Our Experience with Simon Parkes' thread and it has given me some cause for concern.

False Light and Traps of Agreement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1076633&viewfull=1#post1076633)

A few months ago I was watching 'The Matrix Decoded' by Mark Passio and at one point within that video, (or perhaps I had moved onto a subsequent video), he gives a very negative opinion of the book "A Course In Miracles", and then goes on to talk about solipsism and how utterly stupid that is. I was quite stunned as ACIM is something like my equivalent of a bible and it created doubt in my mind. After thinking on it for some time I recalled that my most authentic spiritual experience had come as a direct result of reading that book and that perhaps he just failed to understand what the book was really trying to point to.

Now today I have read that post regarding False Light etc. and once again I have doubt, this time I am questioning whether the experience was even genuine or was it just another 'magic' show. My 'gut' tells me it was real, authentic, but having had no other experience, and none prior, I have nothing with which to compare.

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

You are real.
Your acts of kindness are reall.
What is there to worry about?

Questioning is good, especially if it entails questioning organized movements.
Forming tiny groups to help local community life is enough to get real things done.
The smaller the group, the less likelly that it was hijacked.

[Carmody]

Doubt is tied to the cup emptying so the new can get in.

It's a form of spiritual breathing and we'd be automatons without the function and act of doubt.

In this idea of consciousness, we have a range of differential.

from no perception to all perception, from black to white from 0 to infinity. and all the shades in between, down to the lowest levels of capacity to discern ...difference detection being the idea of a shade..

Each form of difference, or bit of differential, defines the idea of difference.

The differences organize, pattern and finally reach organization of groups and and interactions of groups...

Then the next step, beyond rote organized interactions...the next step.... of self perception, perception of self. Awareness.

All based on differential.

Most importantly the basis in differential ...as being fundamental.

If it was all the same or if it was the same path for all, that would be a dead thing, an unaware thing. So the patterned differential system in self awareness has to shed an old to get to the new.

Simple enough.

It's a sea of differential allowing for the eruption of intelligence and self awareness. Intelligence and consciousness, awash in a sea of differential and potential in differential.

What the bits of self awareness, those organized bits of differential may do, is of their own.

Seek detachment. Attachment is loss of ability to change and loss of ability to change is loss of intelligence and loss of being or awareness.

That fine difference between analysis and judgement, that fine difference between attachment and seeking, which is which, who is who, what is what.

Being on the cross or the crux of the matter is only an indication of awareness seeking, nothing more. Let it be and let it seek. Seek with the right amount of attachment (the system must possess organization and stability to be alive) and the right amount of detachment (too much stability is a death, an end of motion and change).

To find balance in motion, as motion is all there is, in the idea of self and growth in intelligence and self awareness ---in this sea of differential.

Although each breath may seem the same, they are not. Each is unique.

Moments of stability, moments of instability, each are essential and core in their impermanence in a system of consciousness growth. With self awareness comes the potential of free will.

Accept change, do not accept change. Each position has it reasoning, who is to say which is valid and which is not? Only the moment can carry the analysis.

And so on....

~~~~~~

So, to look a this sort of base scenario, and then look at the idea of an an avatar as a car, a vehicle for consciousness exploration -- in a holographic system or sea of differentials. Ie, atoms, in interaction in a 3d universe that is holographic in origin or expression.

Then look at the mandala effect thread, where I wrote on the subject of psychic tests, where projection of will (through the avatar vehicle) ---dictated outcome.

Then understand that the same sort of tests were carried out, in an 'out of time' scenario, with sealed answers and sealed questions, the results were the same. That consciousness is fundamental and it functions wholly outside of time and location.... proven, with scientific tests. That the vehicle, the reality, the very fabric, and the consciousness.... are inseparable. That distinction and self differential are purely self driven, awareness driven, nothing more. Self is a thing that defines, in all it's myriad potentials and ways.

Which means that all that affects the avatar in shadow and sleight of logic and meaning, is just that, shadows of a predatory nature or device. None of which can harm if the inhabitant of the avatar does not allow the avatar's programming to constrict the window/door of view of being... down into a simplified animal, outside of being a consciousness vehicle.

If the prey steps into awareness of self and being then the predator is more dead and useless than the prey. At such a time, at such a moment...the predator is the dead component of the equation. The prey grows, and moves on. As untouchable as it was when the scenario of the moment began. it is the predator who is the dead thing. that which seeks commodification is the lesser of the intelligence and consciousness experience. It is either dying or dead. it may never recover, or it may be temporary. In the meantime it serves as counterpoint, which is essential. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz4pIIiBFn8)After all, what does your avatar and it's aspirations do to plants and animals? Nothing less than commodification. As above, so below. Circles within circles. And there's no one on the rack but me. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sLNOhA7C2Q)

That you have no point of losing anything but the idea of losing is also essential to the stressing of the avatar in order to promote growth and change. To challenge the seeming immutable aspects of the avatar's ability to be a collective point of stability -for a consciousness to express via/through.

One can come here and enjoy the view, and the box, or one can use the box as the tool for growth that it can be. relax, have a beer, watch the waves, or go hard core stress load and any variation in between. Any color you like. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK7HJvmgFnM)

[Baby Steps]

Looking at one's life, there is a path, a progression, a process. We can say 'wow-I used to be like this... now I have progressed to that...'

Significant steps on that path of growth can be doubt and crisis, testing, loss etc but also those exquisite leaps- moments on inspiration where spirit is involved.

'false light' is a fearful concept, because it makes us question whether these spiritual experiences are real or an illusory trap.

Maybe there are forces out there seeking to loosh us while we sit in a fake ecstasy, but these forces have no interest in helping us to progress,awaken or grow in power-that would not serve their agenda

So perhaps look at the experience and try to discern from the results rather than the sensation at the time.

God bless.

[Carmody]

Ok, I just perused the ACIM thingie, a quick topical look.

Sure, it fits as a scenario, an overlay, but so does another hundred others much like a given sock puppet.

If one wants to wear those clothes, go right ahead.

It can be a fundamental it can be dalliance. Ignition of thought, taken too far, becomes it's confinement, or even scattering into an ineffectiveness.

Or completely ignored and other breaths of other natures are taken in. Adherence that is unchanging, is no motion, is a defined structure that is unchanging which is, in essence, a dead thing. Changing all the time is just as guilty as never changing. The trick is self awareness and balance, or not balance. But to be aware of the essentials and be aware of the potential for stickiness, it's requirement and it's requirement of letting go. Ie, another shade of difference, which is a fundamental at a higher circle of layering.

One can breathe in ACIM for a while (to analyze, if desired) but in order to be alive, one has to consider to exhale and move on.

One can be a rock if they want (bibles and dogma), but there is no point in that, except being a witnessed object for that which attempts consciousness.

When one realizes they are in a bad relationship and growth and change has ended, then one packs up their bags and moves on. To begin in innocence and grow into a learned innocence. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_sAHh9s08)

To one on the path, in the world of perception, one is a small dot and the other is all. Which is which? Does it matter? Perception which is on the path makes that call and judgment ...but it is a thing that is relevant and connected to it alone. One is malleable by the path and in the seeming final condition, one cannot be moved or touched by the path... which is indicative as a time to move on. All that can be learned has been, and therefore it becomes backdrop or one moves on. In the little scheme of things or the grand.

Which takes you back to those scientifically based and perfected psychic test results.....

If you read my writings here carefully and begin to understand, you will possibly come to the understanding of why the Buddhists teach one on one -- only to those who come to them.

In the beginning..the bible and thumping was a good idea. Then it was anally retained and turned to fossilized sh!t.

As no system of group teaching or gurus on parade can get beyond a basic moment of spark initiation, or the beginning point. It can turn and make beings realize an act of change is growth, but beyond that it is confinement and death. Echoes of the avatar taken to extremes in an unrealized fashion.

A real guru leaves you the **** alone, will not tolerate your attachment involving them, only interacts when you come to them, and expects you to do everything yourself. All they can really illustrate, is that change is possible, if you involve yourself in such a path. Putting them on a pedestal or making a dogmatic book about them is the death of the given self that may involve themselves in such dalliances.

Growth requires individualized acts and interactions. All group systems can be similar and some form of learning tends to require such... but must retain or illustrate self and individuality, otherwise it is a dead thing. A commodity, a circle of entrapment.

I might read and view and try out systems like a costume that I might strut around the room in, but I never take them on other than to try and discern their flavors. I have no desire to kill my own growth by buying into any defined and regimented philosophy. The very definition of retardation, which can and does happen at any given stage of growth.

Such a thing would be the body/ego seeking comforts and desires as way of continuance in it's fundamental program of being a semi-autonomous pre-programmed box.

[soul]

Always go with your gut.
Or don't go either way..
That will save you some headaches.

[Rex]

Always go with your gut.
Or don't go either way..
That will save you some headaches.

I have heard it's better to go with your heart than your gut.

[ponda]

Ewan said:

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.


Sure is Ewan


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[seah]

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

Yes, that is exactly the "field" they operate in...once doubt has moved in it is simply because your awareness has grown through new information. These little jolts serve to take us away from the land of 'belief systems' where most of the population is happy to serve their life sentence and the PTB help to maintain every step of the way.

Have a read of the Gnostics "error theory" as interpreted by JLL, it illuminates the archon deception skills quite well.

[Agape]

If you inevitably miss something in one or another 'spiritual teachings' and there are so many , found in all kinds of ancient and modern scriptures and cultures ..

go for evolution. I mean if you and the teaching often miss something it is that personal spiritual evolution , spiritual evolution of society and biological so also spiritual evolution of human species does happen ,
we can observe the phenomenon in one life and over the millennia.

Lets look thousands of years ago , there were quite few deep esoteric traditions, philosophical and metaphysical tenets and meditations you could study under favourable circumstances ..and following even one of them should have led you to anything close to 'personal liberation' to 'complete enlightenment' in this life or latest, in the afterlife .
The Hebrews had those traditions, the Hindus had them, the Greeks had them and about everyone else had borrowed and translated and retranslated them in some form or another form .

I went to study Sanskrit and the Upanishads that are the philosophical portion of Vedas when I was young and was very , very lucky to be able to do that , encountering traditional Hindu teachers who taught the scripture and its meaning in uncorrupted , un-adjusted for someone form ,
together with all the stories and parallels of old, all the customs , the character , the practice .
There's 'an ultimate truth' in those scriptures [but other scriptures too] and following just one of them would certainly lead any pure minded seeker to their goal but there are many .

It's said if the student is bright, hearing the Veda just once will point them instantly to truth.
The less bright student needs to be repeated the same thing, over and over again, in different ways to understand and achieve his/her own realisation of the 'jnana'.
The knowledge .

For one who abides in the knowledge all scriptures in the world are worthless distraction . Or maximally, a road sign. But that's not before you've arrived where you should,
your own 'knowing realm'.

For the billions of people out there, nowadays .. it's important to realise that we've evolved so much since the days of the 'prophets'.
We study all various languages and cultures and gnosis our most immediate human ancestors had no access to few decades ago,
they had no idea.

Most of our grandparents generation had one religion, some two combined , some none . They knew almost nothing about the rest of the worlds cultures .

Evolution happens through all of us . These days we're processing number times more information due to the internet and it does not make me feel particularly 'spiritual' rather than distracted but it's inevitable .

The other , less attractive option would probably be 'burry your head in the sand' :)

And there are mile stones in your life from whence one can't go back... in evolution .

Reminds me of my ET encounter and small minded people advising [at all times] to forget and get over it. WHY should I ? Because of THEM ? To fit to their political worldview ?
Because my encounter was 'not on their plan' ? That's laughable .


The ancient philosophical truths will always be there but they can't won't stop evolution from happening .

Also and what many people do not realise quite well is that some of those 'deep truths' are best to be studied somewhere on your own , in PEACE, far from the chaos and distractions of mundane life.
They were not written as 'business guides' for business men or even 'an art of happiness' for the masses. It's what most todays gurus do with them to be heard at all.
I don't mention even 'being profitable' . Just 'to be heard' , to create appeal that fits with peoples 'western mindset' .

In times of old , gurus lived alone, often in seclusion and had to be sought ...

students were not accepted automatically or for what they offered . They were only admitted if they were ripe .

But what happens today, those truth that were once preserved as sacred or even 'secret' because there's a meaning to them you know only once - or not - metaphorically speaking - and that meaning has to come through living person and has to be tailored to your understanding just well ,
are free to be read and USED by anybody at their own liberty .

It's both good ..and not so good, like everything else .

But .. evolution still happens ... so maybe if you remember who you are , truly, you don't have to read all those scriptures .

Write your own . And then see how many they're already . Beyond that , I have no advice ...


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[Akasha]

From the Wiki' page on William Thetford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thetford) (pay close attention to the final sentence and click the link to verify):


......ACIM transcription

Finally in October of that year, the transcriptions of what is now known as A Course In Miracles first began. According to both Thetford and Schucman, due to Schucman's intensely divided feelings about the work of the transcription, Schucman would at times require a great deal of reassurance from Thetford in order to complete the process that eventually resulted in the first typewritten copy of ACIM, (which later became known as the Urtext).

According to Thetford, Schucman was sitting at home on the night of October 21, 1965, when she heard an internal "voice" say to her, "This is a course in miracles. Please take notes."

When she first heard this internal voice, she thought she recognized it as the same voice of the dream sequence character that in her recent dream sequences had represented the person of Jesus to her. Schucman then wrote down about a page of notes before she realized that this request was going to be of much greater significance, and would require a far greater commitment in time than it had ever asked of her before. In a panic, she phoned Thetford to ask for his advice. Thetford encouraged Schucman to do what the voice asked, and to take the notes. He offered to meet with her the next morning before work, to review her notes, to discuss them further with her, and then to determine what she should do with this "Voice".[6]

On the following morning, after Thetford's review of the notes, he was so impressed with what she read to him that he encouraged Schucman to continue with the note taking. Schucman was initially taken aback by Thetford's reaction, but then apparently after giving herself enough time to recover from her initial jitters to honestly review the notes herself, she agreed. Soon they recognized that the notes, which eventually became ACIM (referred to as The Course by ACIM students), was their answer, the "other way" that they had agreed to find together four months earlier.

Classifying this transcription process as one of Schucman's unusual waking experiences is an understatement at best. During the process Schucman claimed to have the mental equivalent of a tape recorder in her thoughts, which she described as being able to turn on and off at will, at her convenience, so that she might be able to transcribe into shorthand notes, what she was internally hearing. This voice identified itself as none other than the historical Jesus.

During the beginning of this process, one of Thetford's gentle complaints was, “In the beginning I spent most of my time while typing these notes with one hand on the typewriter and the other on Helen’s shoulder”. After some months of experiencing an initial struggle in this process, eventually they both began to experience less subconscious resistance to the process, and the initial transcription began to move along more smoothly.

From 1965 through 1972 Thetford directly assisted Schucman with the transcription of the first three sections of the work, which was in fact the great bulk of the material. Then in 1972, somewhat to both of their reliefs (yet on some levels to their dismay) it appeared that the writing was complete, which for the most part it was.

In 1972 Thetford and Schucman were introduced to Kenneth Wapnick through their mutual friend Father Groeshel. Wapnick was intrigued by the manuscript although he soon realized it needed considerable editing to render it into a publishable format. Wapnick urged Helen to go over the manuscript once again with his assistance, which they did, bringing the final editing to a completion in the Spring of 1975. Thetford, Wapnick and Schucman, the three principle transcriber-editors of ACIM were to remain friends for the rest of their lives, throughout the arduous process of seeing this manuscript through to first successful publication, and beyond to witness the initial spreading of its teachings.

After the completion of the bulk of the initial scribing/ transcribing process, for brief periods during 1973, 1975, and 1977 the short transcriptions of Psychotherapy,[7] of Clarification of Terms, and of the Song of Prayer,[7] which are the remainder of the standard material of ACIM, were transcribed in similar fashion.

From 1971 to 1978 Thetford, along with David Saunders, headed the CIA mind control Project MKULTRA Subproject 130: Personality Theory.[8].....

From my own perspective, and before I was aware of the MKULTRA connection, a friend handed me a copy of it when I was "going through it" and I distinctly remember the uneasy feeling I got whilst reading it to the extent that I ended up burning the damn thing. Spidey senses - you can't knock 'em.

[waves]

I have just finished reading Limor's contribution to the 'Our Experience with Simon Parkes' thread and it has given me some cause for concern.

False Light and Traps of Agreement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1076633&viewfull=1#post1076633)

A few months ago I was watching 'The Matrix Decoded' by Mark Passio and at one point within that video, (or perhaps I had moved onto a subsequent video), he gives a very negative opinion of the book "A Course In Miracles", and then goes on to talk about solipsism and how utterly stupid that is. I was quite stunned as ACIM is something like my equivalent of a bible and it created doubt in my mind.........

.....But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

No matter how high up the mountain you climb, they have to have some guru on a goat-ledge positioned there to shunt you off on the wrong path. No matter how deep down the rabbit hole, they have to have some bearded caterpillar waiting for you to give you bad advice in solemn tones, recommending you eat the wrong cake or try the wrong door.
-Miles W. Mathis

I strongly urge you, Ewan, to follow your gut doubt. The more and more and more I keep looking under what I thought were my rocks, I'm finding traps. A huge list of my former icons are disintegrating one by one and I'm realizing I'm far from done exposing them. The concept of fabricating allluring philosophical traps for control is ages old, but in terms of modern day, is it archons or is it CIA?

Re ACIM specifically, I suggest following these connections at this site to start:
https://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/6FBA86B0-0C57-9FCA-5CF9-D742DA541AAA#-5538

https://s31.postimg.org/5eil0z8h7/2016_06_23_0842.jpg

Miles comments that it took him a while to figure this out. Me too, and I'm still cleaning house and re-evaluating everything I thought was reliable.

Anyone who's feathers are ruffled about their favorite truth tellers, gurus or musicians and rush to their defense about how much they learned, grew, woke up or enjoyed the music are missing the point. You bet they told lots of truth, stirred waking up and made great music to lure and attract. But the bigger underlying issue is that they are all very calculated, effective traps in for the long haul until a replacement trap is needed.

A massive number of players played a witting or unwitting role as a dumbing down, diversionary or concept implanting agent, and of course it is an ongoing revolving door. Who else? From the same era besides ACIM, you can find ample evidence that these cherished icons - plus famous murders and serial killer scenarios just like today's staged events - also do not warrant face-value belief and many cherished icons were witting or unwitting MK-CIA AGENTS
 including....

R. Gordon Wasson
Aldous Huxley (Catcher In The Rye required reading in ALL schools!!!)
Terence McKenna
Carlos Casteneda
Allen Ginsberg
Albert Hoffman
Alan Watts
Dalai Lama
Jack Kerouac
Ken Kesey
Timothy Leary
Richard Alpert (Ram Dass)
Robert Hunter
Bob Dylan
Grateful Dead and Deadheads
Esalen Institute
Burning Man

In a December 1994 lecture at Esalen McKenna admitted he is an Intelligence agent. "And certainly when I reached La Chorerra in 1971 I had a price on my head by the FBI, I was running out of money, I was at the end of my rope. And then they recruited me and said, “you know, with a mouth like yours there’s a place for you in our organization”. And I’ve worked in deep background positions about which the less said the better. And then about 15 years ago they shifted me into public relations and I’ve been there to the present."

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Ewan
I would just say 'don't analyse it, just live it' your “spiritual path” that is.

Keep away from any of this written word form anyone who has had connections to MKULTRA and the like, they are contaminated!
just connect to your higher-self, don't force it, just live and continue to be a nice, loving guy :)

new age bible lol, the old age bible had much to say from distant times (Sumerians I think 0.o, but it dose not own or rule my “spiritual path”)
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=sumerian%20gods


A Course in Miracles, published in 1975, is a book considered by its students to be their “spiritual path” – some have labelled it the “New Age Bible”. It has sold millions of copies. But could it have been part of a CIA mind control experiment? One of its authors, was a key MKULTRA scientist.

Its promoters describe it as “A Course in Miracles is a complete self-study spiritual thought system.

PS: I believe the 'Light-Tunnel' is false and a trap, erase and return!

[Knowrainknowrainbows!]

Always go with your gut.
Or don't go either way..
That will save you some headaches.

I have heard it's better to go with your heart than your gut.

This made me giggle ... a MUCH needed relief of laughter after such an intriguing and heavy (for me) dialogue. Such intellects and enlightened "real people" here! :sun:

Oh ... my 2 cents worth ... I've heard, "It's okay to follow your heart (and gut I'll presume); just remember to take along your brain!" :ROFL:

A moment of laughter for all (I hope),
KRKR
:wink:

[NeedleThreader]

I have just finished reading Limor's contribution to the 'Our Experience with Simon Parkes' thread and it has given me some cause for concern.

False Light and Traps of Agreement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1076633&viewfull=1#post1076633)

A few months ago I was watching 'The Matrix Decoded' by Mark Passio and at one point within that video, (or perhaps I had moved onto a subsequent video), he gives a very negative opinion of the book "A Course In Miracles", and then goes on to talk about solipsism and how utterly stupid that is. I was quite stunned as ACIM is something like my equivalent of a bible and it created doubt in my mind.........

.....But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

No matter how high up the mountain you climb, they have to have some guru on a goat-ledge positioned there to shunt you off on the wrong path. No matter how deep down the rabbit hole, they have to have some bearded caterpillar waiting for you to give you bad advice in solemn tones, recommending you eat the wrong cake or try the wrong door.
-Miles W. Mathis

I strongly urge you, Ewan, to follow your gut doubt. The more and more and more I keep looking under what I thought were my rocks, I'm finding traps. A huge list of my former icons are disintegrating one by one and I'm realizing I'm far from done exposing them. The concept of fabricating allluring philosophical traps for control is ages old, but in terms of modern day, is it archons or is it CIA?

Re ACIM specifically, I suggest following these connections at this site to start:
https://webbrain.com/brainpage/brain/6FBA86B0-0C57-9FCA-5CF9-D742DA541AAA#-5538

https://s31.postimg.org/5eil0z8h7/2016_06_23_0842.jpg

Miles comments that it took him a while to figure this out. Me too, and I'm still cleaning house and re-evaluating everything I thought was reliable.

Anyone who's feathers are ruffled about their favorite truth tellers, gurus or musicians and rush to their defense about how much they learned, grew, woke up or enjoyed the music are missing the point. You bet they told lots of truth, stirred waking up and made great music to lure and attract. But the bigger underlying issue is that they are all very calculated, effective traps in for the long haul until a replacement trap is needed.

A massive number of players played a witting or unwitting role as a dumbing down, diversionary or concept implanting agent, and of course it is an ongoing revolving door. Who else? From the same era besides ACIM, you can find ample evidence that these cherished icons - plus famous murders and serial killer scenarios just like today's staged events - also do not warrant face-value belief and many cherished icons were witting or unwitting MK-CIA AGENTS
 including....

R. Gordon Wasson
Aldous Huxley (Catcher In The Rye required reading in ALL schools!!!)
Terence McKenna
Carlos Casteneda
Allen Ginsberg
Albert Hoffman
Alan Watts
Dalai Lama
Jack Kerouac
Ken Kesey
Timothy Leary
Richard Alpert (Ram Dass)
Robert Hunter
Bob Dylan
Grateful Dead and Deadheads
Esalen Institute
Burning Man

In a December 1994 lecture at Esalen McKenna admitted he is an Intelligence agent. "And certainly when I reached La Chorerra in 1971 I had a price on my head by the FBI, I was running out of money, I was at the end of my rope. And then they recruited me and said, “you know, with a mouth like yours there’s a place for you in our organization”. And I’ve worked in deep background positions about which the less said the better. And then about 15 years ago they shifted me into public relations and I’ve been there to the present."

Terence McKenna WAS NOT A CIA AGENT. He was referring to the mushrooms in this lousy sound bite that gnosticmedia grabbed hold of and now propagating the absurd idea that terence was an operative. EVEN IF HE WAS that is not what he is referring to in this quote. He thought of the psychedelics and the mushroom in particular to hold pertinent information for the human race and always thought of it as a way to basically speak to god and he often referred to himself as a recruit of the mushroom and did their work.

As an avid psychonaut myself, there is something very, very peculiar and interesting with a good dose of mushrooms. When done with a blindfold and simply lying down for the duration, you travel to a place where you are able to talk to something that provides answers...

Terence and his work was certainly on to something in my opinion and this is an attempt to discredit everything that he stood for.

Anyway, do your research before posting something like this please.

[greybeard]

Once you commit to spiritual progress you are led to this and that.
Everything helpful and relevant at that time.
I went to ACIM study group for years and benefited greatly.
The course is thought highly of and mentioned bt Eckhart Tolle and the late Dr David Hawkins.

There have been highs and low--doubts, dark nights of the soul --its all par for the course.
We are exactly where we are supposed to be at any given moment.

All is well
Chris

[Constance]

If in doubt, stay out! :bearhug:

[shaberon]

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

It is a conundrum. I've flailed about with numerous of these groups, teachings, etc., and have yet to find much of anything that came out since the 20th century that wound up being valid. ACIM is not something I personally ever got into; reason being, it's name, is about "Miracles", which I deny the existence of, therefor dispute anything that subscribes to them.

I can accept guidance, that I found from ancient Indian and Chinese sources, but in the West, by blowing the Druids and Gnostics to smithereens...that pretty much gave the world to the Archons. They were tricky enough to begin with, but centuries of promotion make them a lot more difficult. Generally, if something involves a miracle, a superior being, or dependence on some special group/feelings of superiority towards outsiders, it's still in the bog...the way that seems valid to me are those things that teach reliance on one's self, that one is the practice and the path, and it includes all the illusion and suffering we have yet to face. It's the same for myself, anyone who agrees with me, or my worst enemy.

The inspiring thing is, you can really gain momentum, by discarding focus in the "lower, material" self, and operating from the plane of ideas, whereby Archons can be seen as a disturbance to universal harmony, instead of as being god. The more you do this, the more they will--flee in terror, as they wind up totally powerless against a person who has beaten their game.

As finite beings, I don't believe we can experience the ultimately real. Our choice is only whether to be influenced by its existence. Nothing in the relative worlds is real (as in permanent), so we can choose things/ideas that are more useful in bringing a flicker of that influence, or by default are left with those that conceal it. Therefor, in the highly individualized paths towards reality, I've taken more to asking: How useful and accurate is a particular idea? Because I'm no kind of judge or dispenser for ultimate reality, for myself or anyone else--but I am trying to learn how to navigate the obstacles.

So both ACIM and the Matrix stuff are as relatively real as anything else: but how useful and accurate are they in a long-term, universal way?

[Johnny]

I have just finished reading Limor's contribution to the 'Our Experience with Simon Parkes' thread and it has given me some cause for concern.

False Light and Traps of Agreement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1076633&viewfull=1#post1076633)

A few months ago I was watching 'The Matrix Decoded' by Mark Passio and at one point within that video, (or perhaps I had moved onto a subsequent video), he gives a very negative opinion of the book "A Course In Miracles", and then goes on to talk about solipsism and how utterly stupid that is. I was quite stunned as ACIM is something like my equivalent of a bible and it created doubt in my mind. After thinking on it for some time I recalled that my most authentic spiritual experience had come as a direct result of reading that book and that perhaps he just failed to understand what the book was really trying to point to.

Now today I have read that post regarding False Light etc. and once again I have doubt, this time I am questioning whether the experience was even genuine or was it just another 'magic' show. My 'gut' tells me it was real, authentic, but having had no other experience, and none prior, I have nothing with which to compare.

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

We are all born with free will, which we use all the time consciously or subconsciously, but if we never in our lifetime use the free will to be ... FREE, then, IMO we are doomed (by ourself) to live and experience life as in a sealed glass jar.

So IMO in your case right now, the doubt can be your salvation, but later on you have to get rid of doubt because it, as many other things in life, is a double-edged sword.

I hope everything is OK with you.

Johnny :)

[Agape]

The truth and the spiritual and worldly accomplishment comes from within you, in the first place and the last place.
Where from does your deep question come ? It's the same place from where your answer comes .
If not go search for it but it rarely in life comes by someone elses virtue .

In the highest yoga tantras they say , if your goal is truly , knowledge of the truth abandon the ties with both spirits and deities of any sort and focus on your own mind .

There's no channeling truth, no guru diksha to do the job , no animal and spirit guides .
It's all making life pretty and colourful but it's about what you choose for yourself really ...

your aims ..



:bowing:

[Johnny]

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

What a conundrum.

I remember, I think it was my first encounter with the light. I had asked a question to myself and also seen the answer, right after that came a light with the speed of an express train into my forehead and I saw into my brain.

Later on I was thinking, that if that had happened if I had been in a church, I would certainly have given it as the cause of the event, but fortunately I was sitting on my bed. :)

Johnny :)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I can say this, what happened was through internal work, mind work. But if that is the field archons operate then how can one know anything is real or unreal.

Do you think that everyone's spiritual path is equally valid as long as it works for them? For example, do you think that it's possible that Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, atheism, Paganism, occultism, etc. are all capable of getting people where they need to be in life, in whatever way they need it?

If you believe that (and I would agree there is some truth to this) then maybe the problem is not whether the experiences are real but whether you are creating your spiritual experiences from a spiritual/religious system that just isn't working for you. Or maybe it is. You would know, whether the system is working or not working for you. But no matter which path you're following you can have profound experiences and no doubt confirm whatever "truths" they each teach, if it's the path you're dedicated to. But if the "truth" isn't doing anything productive for you then I would advise moving on to the next one, and so on until you are onto something.

[DeDukshyn]

Always go with your gut.
Or don't go either way..
That will save you some headaches.

:)

I always find it funny that we as humans tend to think that we have to have a belief on all matters. lol, no we don't. As one example, it's just as valid to say, "I don't have a belief either way on God" as it is to have the belief or to believe the non-existence of. Somehow we have been "cult-ured" out of exercising that option in most cases. What is important to one's spiritual journey is observation - especially those of your own experiences. The process of determining the best path for your own personal growth is just as important to your growth as the path itself.

[Ewan]

Thanks for all the replies everyone, that has got me back on track.

The authenticity of any experience can only be ascertained by the experiencer. There are lots of signposts outside, (distractions and wrong turns also), but the answers lie within.

[Heyoka_11]

Thanks for all the replies everyone, that has got me back on track.

G'day Ewan,

Thanks for the feedback, as I was wondering if your head was beginning to spin!

For what it's worth, I have ACIM in both print and audio, but I did not make it very far, and I was uncharacteristically quick to forgive myself. The near total devotion that it requires was simply not me, and I was thankful for having learned that much about myself. I consider such devotion to be more than a tad out of balance. But then, that's me, not you.

All the Best,

Tony.

[GB_Cobber]

There is no doubt in knowing, it only exists in believing. It's always a good opportunity, when in doubt, to ponder the question: How am I not being honest with myself?

[DeDukshyn]

Thanks for all the replies everyone, that has got me back on track.

G'day Ewan,

Thanks for the feedback, as I was wondering if your head was beginning to spin!

For what it's worth, I have ACIM in both print and audio, but I did not make it very far, and I was uncharacteristically quick to forgive myself. The near total devotion that it requires was simply not me, and I was thankful for having learned that much about myself. I consider such devotion to be more than a tad out of balance. But then, that's me, not you.

All the Best,

Tony.

I'm still waiting to muster up the conviction and commitment I know is required to make the most out of that training. ACIM aligns extremely well with my own previous self training and observations I have been through in my life when seeking a "better me" - before I had any decent guidance. I was delighted to find how the ACIM texts aligned so well with my own personal reasoning.

That said ACIM isn't for everyone, there are as many unique paths as there are individuals.

[Frenchy]

Always go with your gut.
Or don't go either way..
That will save you some headaches.

I have heard it's better to go with your heart than your gut. And apparently , it's because the Heart represents intuition, the Solar Plexis, the Fear [ Caution, restraint.... ] Where would Alex ( No problem ) Humbold be ,if he looked to his ' Gut ' for strength ? )

[Frenchy]

Thanks for all the replies everyone, that has got me back on track.

The authenticity of any experience can only be ascertained by the experiencer. There are lots of signposts outside, (distractions and wrong turns also), but the answers lie within.
Greetings Ewan, ( is that Welsh OR Scottish ! )
Does this signify , perhaps, you've read Pilgrims Progress ? [ as an aside ( Are off-topics allowed, in replies ? ) ... As you're in UK [ independant, EU - Loyal, or allied with the Basque ! ! ] Have you heard ANYTHING about Terry Waite

[Akasha]

.....And apparently , it's because the Heart represents intuition, the Solar Plexis, the Fear [ Caution, restraint.... ] Where would Alex ( No problem ) Humbold be ,if he looked to his ' Gut ' for strength ? )

The most crucial journey is that handspan from the solar plexus to the heart (paraphrasing Yogi Bhajan). I'll edit in the actual quote if I find it.

Edit: found it -
There is an old Indian story which illustrates this point well. Once, a young student asked his teacher how far he must travel to find enlightenment and the true path to the Self. The teacher spread his fingers wide and said, “You must travel the distance from the thumb to the tip of the little finger. If you place the spread hand on your stomach with the little finger at the Navel Point, then the thumb stretches to the heart center. This is the mystical path consciousness must ascend.” – Yogi Bhajan

[DeDukshyn]

.....And apparently , it's because the Heart represents intuition, the Solar Plexis, the Fear [ Caution, restraint.... ] Where would Alex ( No problem ) Humbold be ,if he looked to his ' Gut ' for strength ? )

The most crucial journey is that handspan from the solar plexus to the heart (paraphrasing Yogi Bhajan). I'll edit in the actual quote if I find it.

Edit: found it -
There is an old Indian story which illustrates this point well. Once, a young student asked his teacher how far he must travel to find enlightenment and the true path to the Self. The teacher spread his fingers wide and said, “You must travel the distance from the thumb to the tip of the little finger. If you place the spread hand on your stomach with the little finger at the Navel Point, then the thumb stretches to the heart center. This is the mystical path consciousness must ascend.” – Yogi Bhajan

I like Yogi Bhajan - I've read some of his stuff - the guy seems very balanced and grounded, ensuring balance with practicality.

[bettye198]

Discernment is a very good thing, Ewan. It is your wisdom, trying to remember what is, what you have always known as true.
I must admit many years prior I purchased ACIM never following the steps but fascinated by the language of those who spoke of it like Marianne Williamson. I forever thought she had it together but hey, no one has it together! LOL. Further, I was also entranced with anyone who could channel. Well that changed decades ago. We all come to that conclusion at some point that channeling is in the allowing of another to take over your thoughts, tell you what to say or think and basically possess you from that point forward. What I evaluated finally was that channeling will give you a mix of sweet and sour. You never know what you are getting ( which is the big draw) and then, what it does to color your beliefs.
I viewed many channelers up close and personal and from afar and came to realize that was not what I wanted anymore. I wanted to trust my higher self ( relating to the knowing we are born alone and die alone) and that I did not want to be swayed into anything. I wanted to bear witness to my own wisdom and where my deepest understanding would surface.

[Ewan]

Greetings Ewan, ( is that Welsh OR Scottish ! )
Does this signify , perhaps, you've read Pilgrims Progress ? [ as an aside ( Are off-topics allowed, in replies ? ) ... As you're in UK [ independant, EU - Loyal, or allied with the Basque ! ! ] Have you heard ANYTHING about Terry Waite

Hi Frenchy

Scottish.
I have not read Pilgrims Progress.
I voted Leave. (Being allied with the Basque has a swashbuckling romantic ring to it, no?)
I've read 'Taken on Trust'.

[Violet]

Just in case: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/131/131-h/131-h.htm (Pilgrim's Progress full text).

First year college reading assignment, it left an impression on me. I can't remember well the complete contents but I do remember my surprise at the timelessness of some wisdoms. And also, reading medieval works, and visualising myself interdimensionally aligned with a reader of the times of its origins, both of us laughing about the same jokes, perhaps even in the same manner, centuries between us.

[Rich]

I read about 50% of ACIM and have not seen anything negative in it,
in fact it's the most positive book I know of and I could not find any flaws in it's message.
It tells you that Love exists and that you are not a victim and to know yourself you only need to be
willing because there is no power that God has not given you and if you will for truth it will be given.

[Flash]

.....And apparently , it's because the Heart represents intuition, the Solar Plexis, the Fear [ Caution, restraint.... ] Where would Alex ( No problem ) Humbold be ,if he looked to his ' Gut ' for strength ? )

The most crucial journey is that handspan from the solar plexus to the heart (paraphrasing Yogi Bhajan). I'll edit in the actual quote if I find it.

Edit: found it -
There is an old Indian story which illustrates this point well. Once, a young student asked his teacher how far he must travel to find enlightenment and the true path to the Self. The teacher spread his fingers wide and said, “You must travel the distance from the thumb to the tip of the little finger. If you place the spread hand on your stomach with the little finger at the Navel Point, then the thumb stretches to the heart center. This is the mystical path consciousness must ascend.” – Yogi Bhajan

Yogi Bhajan either had a large hand or a small body lollllllllllll - could not resist the comment. I miss a good inch to reach the heart. Lolllllllllllllll

[Fanna]

Remember that if someone offered me a handful of dirt and a pot, it would not mean much more to me than business, but to a plant it is a sacred place and a sacred substance. We are not all flowers for a reason. What is enlightening to one may be toxic to another and the two might still have much to share with each other. Enjoy your light in peace for having it come from here or there is irrelevant when Here it Is.

https://pottedplantsociety.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/china5a.jpg?w=714

[TargeT]

all that affects the avatar in shadow and sleight of logic and meaning, is just that, shadows of a predatory nature or device. None of which can harm if the inhabitant of the avatar does not allow the avatar's programming to constrict the window/door of view of being... down into a simplified animal, outside of being a consciousness vehicle.

I like to think of it in a small way (that I eventually can expand to the above).

What was the actual change (differential) in my reality?

Do I still agree with it (easy to use was it "good" or "bad" here)?

Would I choose it again if I had the choice with my current perception?


Just some self exploration questions that help me get-to-the-point quicker when I meta-reflect.

regardless of where the experience comes from, seek those answers... maybe they will help you answer other questions as well.


Judging the information (IMO: experience) by the source is a logical fallacy, and always will be. your experience is always valid; just make sure you didn't have a lesson there and move on (if you did, explore; you'll know if topic for exploration is there with reflection, especially on pivotal moments like it seems you had with this book).


[QUOTE=Akasha;1077073]
Yogi Bhajan either had a large hand or a small body lollllllllllll - could not resist the comment. I miss a good inch to reach the heart. Lolllllllllllllll

I guess I have big hands :blushing:

[petra]

Remember that if someone offered me a handful of dirt and a pot, it would not mean much more to me than business, but to a plant it is a sacred place and a sacred substance. We are not all flowers for a reason. What is enlightening to one may be toxic to another and the two might still have much to share with each other. Enjoy your light in peace for having it come from here or there is irrelevant when Here it Is.

What a beautiful analogy Fanna!

This, and giovonni's "trust your gut" are really key I think.

As one who is against channeling itself, I am beginning to re-think my stance on the material, if indeed people are benefiting!