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Camilo
27th June 2016, 16:42
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/uks-departure-makes-eu-disintegration-094445805.html

The United Kingdom's fateful decision to break away from the European Union makes an eventual dissolution of the 28 member bloc "practically irreversible," billionaire financier George Soros wrote on Saturday.

In a somber post at Project Syndicate, Soros, who rose to prominence by speculating against the British pound—immortalizing him as the man who broke the Bank of England—speculated that the U.K.'s referendum to split from the EU is likely to hasten the breakup of the entire EU.

Brexit, combined with Europe's festering migrant crisis, has created a "catastrophic scenario" that has grave consequences for Britain and the world economy, Soros wrote, "making the disintegration of the EU practically irreversible."

Noting that Scotland is agitating to leave the U.K., Soros said the county itself "may not survive" the decision to leave Europe.

"The consequences for the real economy [from Brexit] will be comparable only to the financial crisis of 2007-2008," wrote the billionaire, adding that a domino effect could potentially end decades of continental unification.

"But the implications for Europe could be far worse," Soros cautioned. "Tensions among member states have reached a breaking point, not only over refugees, but also as a result of exceptional strains between creditor and debtor countries within the euro zone."

Soros, a polarizing figure who is known for financing left-wing causes, is an enthusiastic backer of European integration. In 1992, he dealt a fatal blow to Britain's participation in Europe's exchange rate mechanism—the precursor to the single currency.

The billionaire also appears to be profiting from the turmoil stemming from the U.K.'s vote.

Last week, CNBC reported that Soros and fellow "macro" fund manager and Stanley Druckenmiller, who also runs a private firm managing family money through investments in a range of assets, hold bullish positions in gold. Bullion is a safe-haven asset that rises during times of market volatility, but exactly how those positions are performing for both men aren't yet clear.

Brexit "is sure to be fraught with further uncertainty and political risk, because what is at stake was never only some real or imaginary advantage for Britain, but the very survival of the European project," he added. "Brexit will open the floodgates for other anti-European forces within the Union."

Already, political opposition is mobilizing in other countries opposed to further European integration. Barely a day after the U.K. referendum, parties in places like the Netherlands and Austria suggested they might hold votes of their own.

A report in the U.K. publication The Express said the German government was bracing itself for the possibility of at least 5 more countries threatening to leave the EU. In his article, Soros said a potential threat also comes from Italy, where the populist Five Star Movement may rise to power as a "full blown banking crisis" looms.

The billionaire ended on a slightly optimistic note by saying that proponents of European integration "must not give up. Admittedly, the EU is a flawed construction."

However, he added, "all of us who believe in the values and principles that the EU was designed to uphold must band together to save it by thoroughly reconstructing it. I am convinced that as the consequences of Brexit unfold in the weeks and months ahead, more and more people will join us."

OMG
27th June 2016, 18:07
We can only hope this turns out to be true!

Eram
27th June 2016, 18:24
We can only hope this turns out to be true!

Perhaps, but if a break up of the EU does not come with a constructive plan to replace it by, Europe will run the risk of descending in chaos and turmoil that will benefit only the forces of darkness.

Yes the EU is flawed.
It has a tendency to take away from the sovereignty of it nation state members, it is very undemocratic, often a tool of the oligarchy elites, it has way too much political power over its member states and a list of other things that are wrong,... but it also joined nations together in a way never seen before in the written history of Europe.

In our search to end injustice, we must not take the simplistic road by which we throw away the baby with the bath water.
All too often, when people have had enough of it, they destroy everything, also the good that has emerged from years and years of hard work.

Chaos is not always preferable over injustice, corruption and manipulation.

chancy
27th June 2016, 22:12
Hello Eram:
"Chaos is not always preferable over injustice, corruption and manipulation."

There was a poll taken a few years ago in which people were asked these 2 questions.

1. Would you rather have a completely dishonest government but a great job and lots of cash?
or
2. Would you rather have a completely honest government but no job and not so much cash?

You can guess that the majority took number 1 and you would be correct.

I hope Britain stays out of the eu and realizes that they can have their cake and eat it too!

chancy

Eram
28th June 2016, 09:42
Hello Eram:
"Chaos is not always preferable over injustice, corruption and manipulation."

There was a poll taken a few years ago in which people were asked these 2 questions.

1. Would you rather have a completely dishonest government but a great job and lots of cash?
or
2. Would you rather have a completely honest government but no job and not so much cash?

You can guess that the majority took number 1 and you would be correct.

I hope Britain stays out of the eu and realizes that they can have their cake and eat it too!

chancy


Hi Chancy,
What I tried to address in my post above is that the emotions and forces that drove Britain to a vote for exit is one of destruction and protest.
It cam from the underbelly of society.

This is what a acquaintance posted on facebook the day after the vote:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=33709&d=1467106471

In the Netherlands and France (probably more countries) are political parties on the rise who give voice to similar sentiments.

What I am missing and what we are in dire need of is a movement like we have seen in Iceland.
One that recognizes the problems and invents just and better alternatives.
Iceland has made a move for the better, they evolved toward a more working society.

The movement of Brexit is one of breaking down and not of building up.
One of devolution.

Yes the EU is rotten to the chore and we need to do something about it.
But please, lets think about better working alternatives instead of falling into hooligan practices.

Ps: I hope that you don't think for a second that Britain has now turned toward a prospect of honest government. It just same old same old.

sheme
28th June 2016, 10:06
Hello Eram:
"Chaos is not always preferable over injustice, corruption and manipulation."

There was a poll taken a few years ago in which people were asked these 2 questions.

1. Would you rather have a completely dishonest government but a great job and lots of cash?
or
2. Would you rather have a completely honest government but no job and not so much cash?

You can guess that the majority took number 1 and you would be correct.

I hope Britain stays out of the eu and realizes that they can have their cake and eat it too!

chancy


Hi Chancy,
What I tried to address in my post above is that the emotions and forces that drove Britain to a vote for exit is one of destruction and protest.
It cam from the underbelly of society.

This is what a acquaintance posted on facebook the day after the vote:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=33709&d=1467106471

In the Netherlands and France (probably more countries) are political parties on the rise who give voice to similar sentiments.

What I am missing and what we are in dire need of is a movement like we have seen in Iceland.
One that recognizes the problems and invents just and better alternatives.
Iceland has made a move for the better, they evolved toward a more working society.

The movement of Brexit is one of breaking down and not of building up.
One of devolution.

Yes the EU is rotten to the chore and we need to do something about it.
But please, lets think about better working alternatives instead of falling into hooligan practices.

Ps: I hope that you don't think for a second that Britain has now turned toward a prospect of honest government. It just same old same old.

You get what you believe you have, I am truly sorry that your friend has received a taste of the hideousness of prejudice, I loath it -but this very forum is full of unproven accusations abit like your post including the remark that " I am the underbelly of society" just because I have a different opinion about my future. Like does attract like in my experience.

Eram
28th June 2016, 12:10
You get what you believe you have, I am truly sorry that your friend has received a taste of the hideousness of prejudice, I loath it -but this very forum is full of unproven accusations abit like your post including the remark that " I am the underbelly of society" just because I have a different opinion about my future. Like does attract like in my experience.

I'm sorry that I expressed myself in a way where I threw everybody in one heap.
That was not my intention.
I did not mean to say that everybody who voted for brexit is part of the underbelly of society.
Not at all.

It is just that you can see lot of these sort of emotions running in the movement for Brexit and it is nurtured and cultured by its leaders.
This is what I'm getting at.

I can understand a vote for brexit and I can understand if all memebrs choose to leave.
I loath a lot of what's going on in the EU.

Just yesterday I saw a clip of a journalist who visits the EU headquarters in Brussels and also in Strasbourg to make the extravaganza, the corruption and laziness of the EU representatives visible.
Representatives who inscribe for the day just to cash in on the 300 Euro's and leave 5 minutes later without having done anything at all. Things like that.
It's sickening.

It's just, we need to have a plan to make things better.
Stir up the mob to break things down provides no answers for the future.

Meanwhile, there is an economic storm coming our way of proportions that will dwarf the 2007/8 bubble burst if the reports are correct and UK will be on it's own now.
I hope they can cope.