Would like opinions re 9/11 and approach to all other related events

[thepainterdoug]

Hi all

I recently spent an afternoon listening to Christopher Bollyn present his extensive research on 9/11 . http://www.bollyn.com Chris is a great guy and he has done an enormous amount of research in which many in the community agree with.

However, I part ways with him on the how, the mechanics of the event etc, but agree with most of his other research as to the who's, the motive, the who benefits and so on.

Many in the community have no tolerance for this and see this as partial truth and a "limited hangout" It seems you either have to be 100% correct on everything or your put into a disinfo bin.

The Dr Judy Wood view , that the buildings dustified makes sense to me when looking at seismic records,( the lack of ), the free fall speed, the fireman surviving in stairwell B looking up and seeing blue sky the hollowing out of building 6 and the lack of a rubble
pile from 2- 500thousand ton buildings. it just doesn't add up.

This is in agreement by Andrew Johnson, Rich Hall and many others.

The Richard Gage view is thermite, which Chris Bollyn agrees with among many.

Then there is the no plane idea/ Morgan Reynolds, John Lear, etc

And Gordon Duff and company on the mini nukes idea.

What I would like an opinion on is, do you feel that for research to be valid, it has to be all in agreement with a particular theory or camp ? Can you accept that one may have the answer in one area and not another? Or do you require all to be aligned with one view?

I ask this because I don't see any progress being made if all are constantly calling the others, disinfo agents and fighting. Any newly awakening person needs to get their foot in the door on this most complex and perplexing event. Isn't it enough to get a person to be willing to accept that it was not what the government has told us? Then go from there.

I believe the info isn't in yet to understand this event. Knowing what Tesla was on to 75 years ago and seeing what the Hutchinson effect shows us must be the tip of the iceberg in my view of the incredible tech being hidden from all.

Is it all or nothing at all with these schools of thought? I am taken back by the lack of tolerance on many sites when you see it in a number of ways. Thoughts?
Thanks much! D

[Baby Steps]

Greetings.
For me I kind of lose interest in all the much of it excellent speculation about how it was done and who did it, I agree this can lead newly looking people up blind alleys or into confusion.

So many of the mind controlled people ask me - who did this - or why? Its a trap because they then put whatever postulation one supplies through their own filters and then form a judgement on the whole thing based on that. Really sad.

It boils down to 'WE NEED A PROPER INVESTIGATION'

Why?

because the official conspiracy theory does not stand up to investigation.

Why?

I then hold on to the two basic definitive points that I have.

1. Tower 7 is admitted to have fallen at free fall acceleration for over 3 seconds. In basic physics this means definitively and categorically that there was NO RESISTANCE from the structure, and it follows that all structural columns failed at that point, which could never happen from random fires.
2. If you project a profile of the jet liner onto the pre-collapse Pentagon frontage, there is an intact column where one engine would have hit. So there could not have been a jet liner unless there was an engine in front of the building-which there was not.

These are definitive, and justify an investigation.
When writers and commentators speculate about different scenarios, there is a danger that sheeple are distracted from the core issues, and get lost in detail.

[wondering]

One of the most thorough investigations has been done by Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth. They have PDF files that cover many aspects of the event.

[thepainterdoug]

wondering/ yes architects and engineers are in the thermite camp. however it leaves much to be explained. perhaps it was a combination of things.

[Bingo]

Dr. Joseph Farrell does it for me Doug. If you read his new book, Hidden Finance, Rogue Networks and Secret Sorcery, available at Amazon (Kindle around $12) you will read a fascinating, dot-connecting scenario. Also, again my opinion, his website, if joined, provides a lot of info on 911 and other topics, especially his vidchats which are international and very educational. Hope that helps.

[shaberon]

I'd say that this is a very valid insight into the nature of everything; 9/11 simply being a big event that flushes it all into view.

Vested interests have no problem employing people to throw a monkey wrench into every issue, much as ordinary folks at home can sit there for practically free and push "proof" while calling you an idiot.

I don't have a pet theory on how it actually happened. The main thing it shows me is what a rotten failure of "leadership" we have, the deceptive and parasitical system of which, should be removed. And of course, exactly the opposite was done; more war, more "patriotic" homeland security, Federal Reserve continues to operate.

Almost no "official story" has ever been honest. It's next to impossible to prove anything from crime scene forensics long after the event. Were "the system" removed, I believe there would be far fewer such crimes. Until then, it does what it does, kiting a babbling multitude remorselessly, while reinforcing itself.

The broadest truth is that we were lied to about something. Whether that something was thermite, energy beams, shaped nuclear charges--those things would make a difference about specific criminal charges against individuals, but it doesn't do much about the actual offices of power.

[Bill Ryan]

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These are all interesting questions. :) But I personally doubt if it really matters very much how the towers were brought down, what kind of missile hit the Pentagon, or even if the planes were real.

I strongly suspect the community's natural curiosity about those kinds of details is being deliberately stoked to create disagreement — and distraction from the real issues.

An example of the same is JFK's assassination. It really doesn't matter who the shooters were, or where they were. What's important is who gave the order, and why, and how it was all covered up afterwards, and — most importantly — who benefited, and how the world changed afterwards.

[thepainterdoug]

Bill I suspect you are right but how sad. How sad and tragic that we have arrived here, and with all the investigation, we can't get on the same page. No wonder why my friends don't give a hoot and just keep on watching the entrainment box

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Bingo / yes I like Dr Farrell. however what I'm wondering about is this limited hangout concept. why the 9/11 community is so non tolerant to a combination of views and unknowns ?

[East Sun]

Bill,

I'm sure you have you're own vague or not so vague ideas as to who the 'mighty manipulators' are. I'd love to know what you really think, if it is possible
for you to speak to this on the forum. If not I understand. Thanks, in any case...........

[ghostrider]

Just like the JFK murder , we may never know the truth ... the dark order is very good at deception ...

[Dennis Leahy]

An investigation - a real one - would quickly center on a few people, and we would have to hope one of them would "crack" under interrogation. (If I believed in torture, I'd say Larry Silverstein would start singing like a canary after a few gallons.) The United States Joint Chiefs of Staff that were active during 9/11 would be another group where there is definitely foreknowledge and complicity. NORAD was shut down for 1.5 hours. That was no bumbling accident, and someone gave the order to do it. Now, that guy might fall on his sword and accept life in prison, or maybe would start singing to try to avoid dying in prison.

So, I do think we could find out, but certainly not in a theatrical/kabuki "investigation"/production as was done by the 911 Commission, staffed with Elite lackeys and people whose lives have been threatened (I think of the bald-faced spokes-liar at NIST - perhaps he was given the option of lying for the government or watching a loved one die.)

But, the one issue that almost everyone ignores is that the perpetrators are in charge. There cannot be any real investigation while the perpetrators are still in charge of the US government and military. That's why the most important thing that citizens could do would be to remove ALL of them from power, transform the electoral paradigm so that only ordinary citizens with no ties to the Elite can even run for office, and hold the first real elections in the USA. Holding an investigation where the perps control the courts is laughable.

It's gonna take something as powerful as The Reset Button Movement for US citizens to gain control of our own governance. This should be our focus, our first step.

The 'tag line' on The Reset Button Movement (http://www.resetbuttonmovement.org/) website says, "When citizens finally control elections... ...citizens will finally control governance.", and we can extend that to say: When citizens finally control governance, we can then accomplish a thousand things the Elite don't want accomplished - including holding a real investigation of 9/11 that results in convictions and lifetime prison sentences for the perpetrators.

[Sean]

The ONLY reason I'd consider voting for Trump is, he might be crazy enough to round up Bush, Cheney, etc, assuming he gets a good AG in willing to "go there" with him. Trump is a New Yorker. Most of us, whether NY natives, transplants, etc, want 2 things: 1) Resolution, because everyone knows the official story is BS..and 2)Revenge. Trump knows who did this, and he just might take care of business.

I agree with Bill. The details don't matter as much as who gave the order(Israel)but, if I had to pick a theory, mini-nukes make to most sense to me..and the science that VT threw down to prove it is thorough and convincing.

[seah]

I agree that it's pointless to need to know how the 9/11 events actually happened. As most have already realized some alternative media is under the heavy hand of the controllers and they want/need as much bogus information as possible to circulate so as to muddy the truth, so that we continue to do what we've always done, become distracted with habitual matters and forget to ask the important questions .

What is important to remember is that it was a false flag event orchestrated from within the very governments the people elect to represent their interests, to manipulate reality and further an agenda that is harmful to humanity as a whole, and that some real people lost their lives for the cause, while perhaps others said to have died, may not have.

[sunwings]

This interview with Farrell suggests 911 was a divorce between the Cabal and the Nazis. In Summary the Cabal Planned only to fly the planes into the towers. That was enough to start a War on terror. Not to bring them down. However he claims the Nazis knew about it and hijacked the plan and used a space platform based weapon to turn the twin towers into dust. It came as a massive shock to the Cabal. It also exposed the Cabal to the world. How could jet fuel melt steel. etc. The 911 conspiracy woke up millions of people. (including me)

Anyway if you have time check out the interview


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AspQoIEuYnM

[Curious77]

Cheney gave the orders making NORAD AWOL on 9/11 -- as I recall some of the planes were sent to Alaska to
watch Russia and some down South. Wherever they were, still could have responded within an hour and a half. It was the first thing which made me suspicious. W had made Cheney the Chief in Charge of everything for that day and days preceding.

They were also opportunists in the sense that they tried for it all -- not only the basic first necessity of bringing down the WTC because the owners didn't want to pay for scaffolding and bringing the buildings down piece by piece, reversing the way they went up. They were White Elephants, difficult to rent, very costly to heat and cool -- asbestos problems. Military had to be involved, even if only Blackwater. Military materials used; perhaps even being tested. And, continuing practice of the art of deception with actors and fake press, while clearly our TV networks were involved in the scam, including in regard to videos being broadcast.

And, as we always see in these false flag events, there are covering training missions. Even the young men handling the communications could clearly see the farce of it all -- asking, "Are we really supposed to believe this is coincidence?"

And, Scalia was long making the argument that citizens really don't have the right to elect a president -- only Electoral College elects President and VP.

When you take another look at our esteemed Constitution you find that what our Founders actually did was to
create an Elite patriarchy, give only them the right to vote -- endowed them with land grants -- and gave them immense influence and control over our people's government, the nation's wealth and natural resources. They had quite a head start and they've had a few hundred years to ensure that their interests would overtake all attempts to create democracy.

[thepainterdoug]

a gravity collapse? thermite? mini nukes and so on? what kind of chaos theory had the fireman in stairwell B not only survive, but lookup to greet an open sky? why did the building not fall down on them? were is all the rubble? the seismic readings and so on? as you can see, Dr Judy wood makes the most sense to me regarding thee and many more facts. but you have to allow yourself to say that as of now, we do not know or have this kind of tech. it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[bluekungfoo]

are there any other documentaries on possibilities of why the Twin Towers were brought down ?

also It seems that it would take time to place explosives on the proper points of the towers to have them come down as they did, is the basic theory that in the chaos teams dressed as firefighters came in amidst the chaos and planted the explosives or are there other possibilities of how those explosives got in ?

Also at this point in time, are there any more raw videos or unedited news videos of the events of 9/11 / websites or links on here ?

[Justplain]

9/11 is an example of how thorough and well planned the cabal is. The twin towers were brought down by atleast 4 methods: thermite (as evidenced by chemical traces in rubble), missiles (under holographic cloaks, as evidenced by the only video of the first tower hit and a helicopter vid of second incoming), nukes in the foundations (as evidenced by redhot steel beams still scorching a week later) and a scalar weapon (evidenced by dustifying, lack of debris, etc.). The BBC off camera coverage of the owner giving the 'pull' demolish command on third building, and the fact he changed his wtc insurance a few months before the event to include airplane attack, should be enough evidence of an inside job for an unbiased observer.

The cleverness of the planning of this event is evidenced by the withdrawal of all the gold from the twin towers a few weeks/days before, the insurance scam, the fact the buildings would eventually have to be ripped down because of asbestos insulation, etc. Also, supposedly a large bond redemption on the nyse was occuring at the time of the attack that apparently the cabal wanted covered up. In the aftermath the cabal used the 'terrorism' conjob to roll out the patriot act (to snoop on everyone), the invasion of iraq and afganistan, etc.

All very cleverly planned and executed with mutiple intended consequences achieved.

Another thoroughly planned job was the pentagon. Jesse Ventura has done an excellent analysis of this con job, in a vid called the pentagon. The number of 'tasks' that explosion took care of, like liquidating the navy audit department that was investigating the missing trillions in the military budget, is abhorrent. All the vid cameras' around the pentagon had all their films confiscated of this incident, all of which were 'lost'.

The cabal takes no chances. Multiple destruction methods were taken on the twin towers. The pentagon only needed one method, probably because the building was under military control.

The JFK assassination apparently had mutiple shooter teams, including James Files (of the grassy knoll fame). They werent going to let Kennedy survive, with changed parade route and all.

The cabal are very nasty, very clever and very thorough. Great con artists too.

The main benefit of understanding what happened in 9/11 is to be able to read the tell tale signs of cabal/illuminari activity in other events, current and historical, in order not to be 'conned'. Otherwise, this whole thing is very distasteful and can make one become paranoid.

[LindyLou22]

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These are all interesting questions. :) But I personally doubt if it really matters very much how the towers were brought down, what kind of missile hit the Pentagon, or even if the planes were real.

I strongly suspect the community's natural curiosity about those kinds of details is being deliberately stoked to create disagreement — and distraction from the real issues.

An example of the same is JFK's assassination. It really doesn't matter who the shooters were, or where they were. What's important is who gave the order, and why, and how it was all covered up afterwards, and — most importantly — who benefited, and how the world changed afterwards.

Agreed, completely. As long as people are arguing the details, the powers behind the deed can still call it a theory. Of course there's a conspiracy, but it's only a "theory."

[shaberon]

are there any other documentaries on possibilities of why the Twin Towers were brought down ?

also It seems that it would take time to place explosives on the proper points of the towers to have them come down as they did, is the basic theory that in the chaos teams dressed as firefighters came in amidst the chaos and planted the explosives or are there other possibilities of how those explosives got in ?


No, I believe the word is that there had been teams of maintenance workers going in overnight for about two months, nobody really knew what they were doing, so this is thought to have been the access for rigging the building.

My guess is the motivation was two-sided: a Neocon group was looking for "any" kind of Pearl Harbor event to launch wars on seven countries. Another group selected these targets, judging by the cash that vanished from the particular impact at the Pentagon and the...collateral demolition of WTC 7. Not just cash but gold and evidence about financial crimes.

One single, normal plane crash into a building without destroying it, probably would not have been a big enough spectacle to accomplish any of this. The first thing that ever crossed my mind, was that if the most heavily protected airspace in the world, could be penetrated four times, everything invested in Defense was a waste.

[LindyLou22]

Hi all

I recently spent an afternoon listening to Christopher Bollyn present his extensive research on 9/11 . http://www.bollyn.com Chris is a great guy and he has done an enormous amount of research in which many in the community agree with.

However, I part ways with him on the how, the mechanics of the event etc, but agree with most of his other research as to the who's, the motive, the who benefits and so on.

Many in the community have no tolerance for this and see this as partial truth and a "limited hangout" It seems you either have to be 100% correct on everything or your put into a disinfo bin.

The Dr Judy Wood view , that the buildings dustified makes sense to me when looking at seismic records,( the lack of ), the free fall speed, the fireman surviving in stairwell B looking up and seeing blue sky the hollowing out of building 6 and the lack of a rubble
pile from 2- 500thousand ton buildings. it just doesn't add up.

This is in agreement by Andrew Johnson, Rich Hall and many others.

The Richard Gage view is thermite, which Chris Bollyn agrees with among many.

Then there is the no plane idea/ Morgan Reynolds, John Lear, etc

And Gordon Duff and company on the mini nukes idea.

What I would like an opinion on is, do you feel that for research to be valid, it has to be all in agreement with a particular theory or camp ? Can you accept that one may have the answer in one area and not another? Or do you require all to be aligned with one view?

I ask this because I don't see any progress being made if all are constantly calling the others, disinfo agents and fighting. Any newly awakening person needs to get their foot in the door on this most complex and perplexing event. Isn't it enough to get a person to be willing to accept that it was not what the government has told us? Then go from there.

I believe the info isn't in yet to understand this event. Knowing what Tesla was on to 75 years ago and seeing what the Hutchinson effect shows us must be the tip of the iceberg in my view of the incredible tech being hidden from all.

Is it all or nothing at all with these schools of thought? I am taken back by the lack of tolerance on many sites when you see it in a number of ways. Thoughts?
Thanks much! D

Hi Mr. PainterDoug,

All these years later, the waters have been so muddied it's really hard to figure out who's being truthful. One thing is certain, that the neocon administration at that time were successful in manipulating many people into being thrilled about their wars. Every guy who put on a uniform was automatically a hero. Even soldiers dared not speak any truth, as seen in what happened to Pat Tillman. He was an athletic celebrity who couldn't wait to defend his country. However, he started to see through the bull**** and started asking questions. Then he was assassinated.

Back in the day, there was a group of us who exchanged a lot of information. I personally saw the Drudge Report that day where there was an article that talked about Michael Jackson and Elizabeth Taylor being warned to get out of NYC and head for New Jersey. I could never find that piece again to share it.

I heard a military whistleblower who spoke of being in a control room with Dick Cheney and being given commands not to fire upon any planes. The person was clearly very shaken up.

I saw a video where John Kerry was asked about the smaller building, and he said something to the effect that it was just time for that building to go.

These are just a few memories, since I never needed much convincing. One of the best websites for information on this kind of thing is through a guy named Fred Burke who gathers what I feel is balanced information on many subjects including this one. He runs several sites, and the one I'd suggest is want to know dot info.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information

[norman]

Documents Expose The Secret Lie That Started the Afghan War

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[Satori]

There is very, very, very little, if anything, that we have been told concerning the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 that is truthful.

I think it is fair to say that, beyond the conclusions we draw by relying on our own eyes and ears when watching the sparsely available video of the events of 9/11, we really know (not believe, but know) next to nothing about exactly what happened, how it happened, and who is provably responsible and can be held to account. That was part of the plan.

To begin to identify those responsible and to get the information we are entitled to, and to hold them criminally and civilly responsible, one must look at who controls information and who forms public opinion. Then one must look behind the curtain to their puppet masters.

Although we have opinions and ideas about who we think the responsible parties are, many of which are quite astute and on the mark, the picture is incomplete and there may be, at the moment, inadequate avaliable evidence to prove the guilt of any particular perpetrators. The RICO statute, as well as criminal conspiracy and other case law, provide the law needed to prosecute, but some critical admissible evidence is lacking, for now.

I believe that as time passes more and more incriminating evidence will surface and some bad people who we can name will be found guilty, even if posthumously. Time will tell.

[Bluegreen]

I would suggest the satanists who tell the families what to do figured out how to harness and channel the gamma rays in the immediate vicinity that day i.e. Hurricane Erin.

[Foxie Loxie]

O.K.????? Anything else? :sherlock:

[happyuk]

But, the one issue that almost everyone ignores is that the perpetrators are in charge. There cannot be any real investigation while the perpetrators are still in charge of the US government and military. That's why the most important thing that citizens could do would be to remove ALL of them from power, transform the electoral paradigm so that only ordinary citizens with no ties to the Elite can even run for office, and hold the first real elections in the USA. Holding an investigation where the perps control the courts is laughable.


Agreed. At the end of the day does it really matter what brought the buildings down? Or what flew into the Pentagon?

Arguing over whether it was a nuclear device, or thermite, or some secret energy weapon does not seem that constructive and is probably a very good means of distraction.

No, what is more important is identifying and collaring who was behind the attacks, and bringing those people to justice.

And no it was not CIA asset Bin Laden.

The United States Constitution, in Article 3, Section 3, says that it is treason for a citizen of the USA to engage in "levying war" against the United States. If U.S. citizens consciously participated in planning the attacks of 9/11 on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, this participation would clearly be treasonous. There is considerable prima facie evidence that named members of the U.S. Executive Branch - US President George W. Bush, US Vice President Richard B. Cheney, and US Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld—participated in this planning.

An investigation of these acts of prima facie Treason was not carried out by the 9/11 Commission.

The US Congress in its constitutional jurisdiction needs to authorise the appointment of an independent prosecutor to conduct a genuine investigation of this prima facie evidence of Treason under Article III(3) of the US Constitution, which I think could be summarised by the following six questions:

1. How could hijacked airliners have struck the WTC and the Pentagon?
2. Why did the Twin Towers and Building 7 of the WTC collapse?
3. Could the official account of the Pentagon possibly be true?
4. Why did the President and his secret service agents remain at the school?
5. Why did the 9/11 Commission lie about Vice President Cheney?
6. Did members of the Bush-Cheney Administration have reasons to desire the attacks of 9/11?

In Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard, he said that establishing military bases in Central Asia would be crucial for maintaining "American primacy," partly because of the huge oil reserves around the Caspian Sea.

But American democracy, he added, "is inimical to imperial mobilization."

Brzezinski, explaining that the public had "supported America’s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor," suggested that Americans today would support the needed military operations in Central Asia only "in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."

[shaberon]

Agreed. At the end of the day does it really matter what brought the buildings down? Or what flew into the Pentagon?

Arguing over whether it was a nuclear device, or thermite, or some secret energy weapon does not seem that constructive and is probably a very good means of distraction.


That's more or less what I get from it. Evidence was, eh, tampered with, so being able to critically establish the use of some unknown weapon based on video is a longshot. Yes, the molten metal is weird, etc.

I was expecting an attack ever since the 1993 one. I thought it took too long. Anyway, I admit I was off that day and I slept through it. My housemate woke me up about it and told me the Trade Center was destroyed. I said it was not because it can't be. It could be attacked but destroying it was impossible.

As the story started coming in, it seemed unreal or surreal, impossible. I was forced to agree that the result appeared to be destruction; aside from that, it remained unbelievable.

Probably never will be enough evidence unless you can establish a RICO situation, even though one or more instances of Treason are likely true. I hope that opinion does not discourage anyone who knows where to look, from looking, but I can't do it.

[leavesoftrees]

Probably never will be enough evidence unless you can establish a RICO situation, even though one or more instances of Treason are likely true. I hope that opinion does not discourage anyone who knows where to look, from looking, but I can't do it.

RICO
1) - Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act. Passed in 1970 to aid the government in clamping down on organized crime activities, its scope has since been broadened to prosecute insider traders and anti-abortion protesters.

[norman]

New-"The Demolition of Truth-Psychologists Examine 9/11" Directors cut.


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[Bluegreen]

O.K.????? Anything else? :sherlock:

Sure. Actually I agree with happyuk and shaberon that in many ways the 'how' has become almost irrelevant. I'm just throwing it out there as something that I cannot rule out as impossible with the other side of the coin being it is possible, to quote Mr Holmes. It falls in line with Joseph Farrell's '3rd layer' theory. A few of the many 'means of destruction' theories. This is important: CERN's website will tell you their ultimate goal is to "contain antimatter" (i.e. gamma rays). And any talk of CERN or HAARP brings us to our friend Nikola Tesla, who said, "If you want to understand the Universe, think in terms of frequency" or something to that effect.

[Foxie Loxie]

Yep! Energy, Frequency & Vibration....to understand the Universe, as Tesla said.

So, apparently, some groups already HAVE figured it all out, but the rest of us are locked into the system that was ingrained in us during our Public School education.

[norman]

Here's a wild card idea.


The "truth" about 9/11 could be used as a weapon to attack Tump's political base.

[thepainterdoug]

shaberon/ amazing how a year later since my original post, we have not gotten much further. and yes , what a waste of money on a defense this would illustrate. but of course, thats why its impossible for this to be a legitimate story.

[Hervé]

BOMBSHELL! Larry Silverstein designed NEW WTC-7 in April of 2000 (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/15/bombshell-larry/)

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By Kevin Barrett (https://www.veteranstoday.com/author/barrett/) -
March 15, 2016


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Larry had the new WTC-7 designed and ready-to-go 17 months before he "pulled" the old one


By Kevin Barrett (http://truthjihad.com), Veterans Today Editor (https://www.veteranstoday.com/author/barrett/)

He may just be a Silver-stein. But “Lucky Larry” sets the gold standard for chutzpah.

Latest example:


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In the above video, Silverstein says of the new WTC-7, which replaced the one he famously confessed to demolishing on 9/11/01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I):
"We got the designs. And the first design meeting was in April of 2000. And construction began shortly thereafter, in 2002."
One slight problem: If he hadn’t been planning the illegal, un-permitted, homicidal demolitions of WTC-7 and the entire World Trade Center complex that took place on September 11th, 2001, there would have been no point to any such design meeting back in April, 2000 … and no opportunity for beginning construction of a new WTC-7 in 2002.

With the supreme chutzpah that has become his trademark, Silverstein breezes over the demolitions of 9/11/2001 as if they were not even worth remarking on, instead going straight from his new-WTC-7 design meeting in April 2000 to the beginning of construction in 2002.
Memo to Donald Trump: If you’re looking for people who were wildly celebrating the murder of 3,000 people on September 11th, 2001, that would include not only the famous dancing Israelis, but also Larry “Pull It” Silverstein.
In 2001, “Lucky Larry,” who had previously owned only WTC-7, orchestrated a deal with his fellow-ultra-Zionist Lewis Eisenberg, Chairman of the mobbed-up NY Port Authority, and another Zionist extremist billionaire, Frank Lowy, to sell the entire WTC complex to Silverstein and backers on a 100-year lease. The deal was finalized in July, 2001, and Larry took possession of the buildings … and security arrangements. But first, he hard-balled his insurers into doubling the terror insurance coverage and changing the terms to “instant cash payout.”

On September 11th, Larry hit the jackpot. The condemned-for-asbestos and largely vacant Twin Towers, with their obsolete communications infrastructure and money-hemorrhaging balance sheet, were both demolished for free – with 3,000 people inside.

Larry should have been at the Windows on the World restaurant at the top of the North Tower, just like every other day. Fortunately, he tells us, his wife reminded him of a dermatologist appointment. His daughter, who always took breakfast with him, made a similarly lame excuse. Both survived … and prospered … while everyone above the 91st floor, including everyone who showed up to have breakfast at Windows on the World, died miserable deaths.

Lucky Larry indeed.

Larry’s luck held out when he demanded double indemnity – on the basis that he had been “victimized” by two completely separate and unrelated terrorist attacks, namely the two planes – and got it, to the tune of 4. 5 billion dollars. That’s a hefty cash-payout return on a relatively minor investment. (Silverstein put up less than 15 million of his own money to buy the WTC, and his backers had added a little over 100 million.)

Even after video proof emerged that he had confessed to “pulling” (i.e. demolishing) WTC-7, he still somehow evaded the hangman’s noose.

Then he went back to court to ask for more than $10 billion more (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/04/chutzpah-thy-name-is-silverstein-larry-wants-more-billions-for-blowing-up-the-wtc/) – this time not from his own insurers, but from those of the airlines he falsely blamed for the demolitions that he himself had conducted.

But even the mobbed-up 9/11-complicit Zionist judge, Alvin Hellerstein, had had enough. For the full (satirical) story, check out my article:
"Hellerstein to Silverstein: No more money for you, schmuck!" (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/19/unlucky_larry/)
But that didn’t stop not-quite-so-Lucky Larry from trying to steal another 500 million from the federal government through an EB-5 visa scam (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/05/911larry/).

Then last month, Larry’s inimitable chutzpah resurfaced when he said that his first thought on looking at the plans for the new South Tower was “it looks like it’s going to topple, it’s going to fall over (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/02/13/larry-fall-over/).” At least if you “pull” on it hard enough, it might. Right, Larry?

Larry’s chutzpah is so monumental that it became the basis of an annual award. See:
"Netanyahu Wins Larry Silverstein Award for Chutzpah" (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/26/bibi-chutzpah/)
Whatever will this unbelievable character do next?

Will someone finally arrest him?

Will we ever see him swing from the gallows?

Or will Lucky Larry’s luck hold out until he finally dies of natural causes, leaving his heirs billions of blood-stained dollars with which to conduct more outrageous Zionist mischief?

[yankee451]

A little something about Bollyn:


If as I suspect the truth movement’s raison d’etre is to direct truthers away from the truth, then logically the truth will be found where truthers fear to tread. From the very beginning the truth movement’s approved lines of investigation were drawn out, and to this day those are the lines toed by the average truther; thermite, modified planes, and Israeli involvement are some of their hallmarks. But a quick investigation shows that most of them sprang from the same source. In my Shanksville video I included some footage from an Interview with Susan McElwain, a witness who described a “small white plane” no wider than her van that flew so low over her van that she instinctively ducked, in her van. In that clip the interviewer mentioned that it was “American Free Press” that published an article stating that the plane she described was an A-10 Thunderbolt, AKA a “Warthog,” a claim Susan denied. That claim comes from a trailblazer for truth (kinda-sorta) since the beginning, Christopher Bollyn. Bollyn has been the truth movement’s pied piper since 2002, when he burst onto the scene with fraudulent stories that eventually got him fired from American Free Press, but which are still repeated today.

It was Bollyn who gave us molten steel at the WTC, something that was parroted by alleged members of the FDNY. These statements taken together are evidence of collusion, not evidence of super-hot fires; on the one hand we have a so-called journalist breathlessly reporting about molten steel, and on the other we see what looks like firefighters corroborating that tale, which puts the firefighters and Bollyn on the same side, allegedly fighting the “Man” that is supposedly suppressing this information. But apparently they are working together with the Man to spread confusion; it takes two minutes to verify there are no photographs or videos of any molten metal whatsoever, cooled or hot, from 9/11.

The videos you’ve seen of the sparks pouring out of the towers were just that, sparks, not waterfalls of molten steel:

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Acetylene torches can do the same thing, so why aren’t truthers investigating why there would be a clearly visible shower of sparks from an acetylene torch pouring out of an office building that would soon collapse into a cloud of dust? My guess is because Christopher Bollyn, Stephen Jones, the NYPD and the FDNY led them to molten metal and such is the power of suggestion, illustrating the importance of leading the opposition.


http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/FEMA-0059.jpg

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/snapped-bolts-torn-spandrel.jpg

The molten metal myth is accompanied by “fuming from fires so hot that they could be seen from space” myth, but the hot spots and ‘smoke for months’ have a very simple explanation; they lied.

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/hotspots-compare-300x285.jpg

Truthers could benefit from considering that the whole movement has always been part and parcel to the cover up and that to give their controlled movement ammunition they weaved certain threads into the fabric of the story. From this perspective, Building 7 being reported by the BBC as collapsed before it actually did so was not a gaffe, it was planned as a platform upon which to build the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Similarly that would mean FEMA’s hotspot photos were fabricated to give the Bollyns of the world a voice, and because no one doubts a man in uniform, the claims of Bollyn, the police and firefighters are recorded into the annals of history as fact, despite there being no other evidence to support them. If this was a real investigation they would all be suspect as accomplices.


Lucky Larry

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/silverstein.png

The same can be said about the cornucopia of low hanging 9/11 fruit; the Zionists, Silverstein, the PNAC and the dancing Israelis are exposed as planted breadcrumbs designed to discredit anyone who swallows them. Jews are dangled in our faces as a “slide” which in hypnosis and brainwashing terms refers to a word or phrase that will shut-down critical thinking, thereby ending a conversation. We in the West have been brainwashed since the ‘70s to equate criticism of Israel with Anti-Semitism (whatever that is) therefore the fastest way to turn-off our Western neighbors is by sliding into the conversation a complaint about Jews. If this was my operation I’d make sure to put Jews and Zionists in positions of prominence to act as Jewish lightning rods to attract attention and to discredit anyone who notices. Since our only hope of stopping the wars is by exposing the lies that started them, Bollyn is out there taking the lead saying “Solving 9/11 Stops the Wars,” which sounds great and ought to be the theme of the whole truth movement if he wasn’t wrong about just about everything and if the truth movement wasn’t actively covering up the truth. If you really want to solve 9/11, Mr. Bollyn, then consider this a formal challenge to debate the evidence and “win or lose,” we’ll do just that, solve it.
Methinks he complains too loudly.

It was in 2002 that Bollyn started screaming about the PNAC, the Zionists, and Israeli Art Students. I don’t have a problem blaming Israel if that’s where the evidence leads, but like I said, we all have access to the same information, and from what I’ve found it leads a whole lot closer to a ****ty British Colony in North America than it does to some ****ty British Colony in the Middle East. Bollyn heralded the rumors that built the truth movement but those rumors aren’t true, and instead of his being laughed off stage he is lauded as one of the world’s premier 9/11 researchers. You can’t make this stuff up. When it comes to 9/11 everyone’s claims should be considered suspect, including mine, but especially those of the leaders!

It was Bollyn who gave us the disinformation that the Shanksville crater was there in 1994, an easily exposed falsehood that lays bare the fact that he is either too incompetent to be called a journalist or he is deliberately obfuscating. If this was a court trial after he was exposed for lying, his credibility would be in doubt and all of his testimony would be discredited, but truthers just shrug it off as a mistake. When confronted with proof of his mistake, instead of correcting the record like any good journalist would do, Bollyn’s response was to “out” my family and accuse me of being a Jew which is odd, because I don’t understand how being a Jew is synonymous with being a liar, but apparently that is what Bollyn thinks. However aside from my being circumcised, by every other definition of a Jew I am not one, so does that mean I’m telling the truth? Bollyn is obviously fixated with Jews in the way a child is fixated with the bogey man, or in the way an operative is fixated with distracting and discrediting the opposition. But now that we’re all one big happy spook-family, since he was kind enough to bring up my background I decided to return the favor and all I can say is, glass houses, Christopher!

Christopher Bollyn:

is the son of a woman who worked as governess for the Farish family and took care of the young William S. Farish III, a Pilgrims Society member and friend of the Bush family and the British royal family with a host of exotic intelligence contacts was an altar boy in the Episcopal Church, and went to the Middle East in 1975, including living in a kibbutz in Israel around the time of the 1976 restructuring of the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem
married an Israeli military intelligence officer in an arrangement that provided her with US citizenship in 1983, when she wanted to live in Santa Monica within three miles of the Rand Corporation, within a year of Israel lobbyist Steven J. Rosen having had secret industrial security clearance to CIA contracts at the Rand Corporation, and thereby probably at a time when other agents of Israel had access to classified material there or were attempting to gain access met billionaire Zionist media mogul Rupert Murdoch and his family around 1988, skiing with them for half an hour, when Murdoch’s second wife (from 1967-1999), the mother of James Murdoch, was Anna Torv from Estonia married again in 1995 following the marriage of convenience that lasted for two years, this time to Helje Kaskel who was born and educated in Estonia tracked anti-Zionist, nationalist author and writer for The Spotlight Michael Piper in 1994 and 1997 whilst working together with Helje Kaskel worked for IBM Global Network Services, IBM and the Watson family being heavily represented in the Pilgrims Society
was brought to The Spotlight in 2000 by Jerry Myers, a self-described Khazar (the
Neanderthal-Caucasoid tribe from which Ashkenazi so-called “Jews” are descended)
was in New York City on 9/11, one year into his new career as a “journalist” collaborated for years – from 2002 to 2007 – with Eric Hufschmid, whose half-sister
Kathryn, a public relations executive, is Director of Strategy & Communications at the Clinton Foundation’s Clinton Climate Initiative, and in 2000 married James Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch’s son and heir apparent who joined News Corporation in 1996 and was placed in charge of its internet operations is evidently “protected at the highest levels” and was “visited regularly by an individual or individuals bearing license plates that cannot be traced“
dialled 911 to call the police out to his home on some pretext about a “suspicious” car and then became belligerent in order to get himself arrested and Tasered in August 2006, serving to present himself as a “target” of the crooked elite who evidently promote and protect him
frequently lies, e.g. alleges he was told to “drink from the toilet” after he got himself arrested, “the Liberty Lobby” (publisher of The Spotlight and forerunner of American Free Press) “is actually owned and controlled by a Zionist Jew named Mark Lane”, and Michael Piper has been “attacking” him “since December 2001”
makes allegations and conducts a fear and smear campaign against anti-Zionists based
on demonstrably deliberate lies (see above link about Mark Lane, who was described as “anti-Zionist” in a 1983 book co-authored by Zionist Jew Steven J. Rosen)
has a reputation for writing 9/11 stories that often turn out to be turkeys
has a tendency to visit Switzerland that is more consistent with a courier for clients of Swiss banks than a researcher, e.g. when travelling from Brussels to West / Central France, and when writing about “chemtrails over Switzerland“
was financed by a front for Scientology who paid him for “editing” her book

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/bollyn.htm#liar

Full article, here:
Taboo Truths: Uncovering Flight 93:
http://yankee451.com/?p=4343

[norman]

wow. This isn't a flat earth thread.


Everything is a lie, except my bull****.

[yankee451]

wow. This isn't a flat earth thread.


Everything is a lie, except my bull****.

No one mentioned flat earth, but that is another example of the intelligence services attempting to discredit truth seekers. Stop taking the bait.

If you have issue with anything I wrote, please be specific.

The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it emotionally.
~Flannery O'Connor

[norman]

If you are the author of all that, can you please explain why you have only dismissed stuff.


Tell me what you think happened on 9/11.


What are your credentials ?

[Omni]

What I would like an opinion on is, do you feel that for research to be valid, it has to be all in agreement with a particular theory or camp ? Can you accept that one may have the answer in one area and not another? Or do you require all to be aligned with one view?
The truth is the objective universe. My opinion is that people quantified as researchers do not have the true picture adequately. Witnesses in general have a better picture than researchers. Insiders almost always have a better picture than witnesses. Then you have the entire psyop construct - which is the field of mk-asset disinformants which can be labeled as researchers, witnesses, whistleblowers, and insiders - or all the new age titles like channeler, psychic, remote viewer, astral projector, akashic reader, contactee, remote influencers, energy healers, the whole 9 yards of mkultra new age foot soldiers which became more prevalent after the black project frequency science boom of the 1970s and proliferated after what appears to be the NWO wanting internet and alternative media counterintelligence.

A key to understanding what really goes on is what Ai and directed energy weapons are capable of. This paired with an understanding of the nature of who rules the world (tip: they would want brainwave surveillance of everyone) and you can piece together the events. Getting this information to people is a motivation behind works of mine like: Hi-Tech War Crime Report (https://pdf.universalaspects.io/Hi-Tech-War-Crime-Report.pdf).

To answer your question more fully, my belief system is so contrast to the stereotypes and standard demographics I feel heresy is a sign of the truth. Advice: find your own belief system, your own individuality. Reject conformism in a socially ill society. Suspend judgment where applicable. And give people the benefit of the doubt when they are smeared, because in an mkultra society the righteous are under the most attack.

[yankee451]

If you are the author of all that, can you please explain why you have only dismissed stuff.


Tell me what you think happened on 9/11.


What are your credentials ?

I linked to the full article, which includes sources.

What I "think" happened, is what the evidence suggests happened; the USA attacked itself with missiles, and using the power of the Western Propaganda machine, made the world believe it was a terrorist attack.

My credentials have nothing to do with the evidence that leads me to my conclusions. I am capable of thinking for myself, I don't need someone else to do it for me.

[norman]

. . .considering how much evidence you have just trashed, I don't have much enthusiasm to go clicking on your website.

[yankee451]

. . .considering how much evidence you have just trashed, I don't have much enthusiasm to go clicking on your website.

Maybe Bollyn isn't all you think he is.

Start here. When confronted with evidence that he was mistaken about the Shanksville crater being there prior to 2001, instead of writing a retraction (which I even do when I make a mistake), this was his response, below. Now I don't know about you, but some people might take that as a threat. What does my family background, and my high school photo have to do with the FACT that he was "mistaken?"


From:
Christopher Bollyn

RE: About the Brave Truther Warrior – Stephen De’ak

Two images
Deak Fairbanks HS 1977 Deak name change
Photo: Stephen De’ak in high school, 1977

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Deak-Fairbanks-HS-1977.jpg

Image: Jewish De’ak family changes name from Deutsch to De’ak

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Deak-name-change.jpg

http://yankee451.com/?p=3858

[Joe from the Carolinas]

I would just like to quote Bill's statement made on 30th June 2016 to reinforce an important point:


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These are all interesting questions. :) But I personally doubt if it really matters very much how the towers were brought down, what kind of missile hit the Pentagon, or even if the planes were real.

I strongly suspect the community's natural curiosity about those kinds of details is being deliberately stoked to create disagreement — and distraction from the real issues.

[yankee451]

I would just like to quote Bill's statement made on 30th June 2016 to reinforce an important point:


.
These are all interesting questions. :) But I personally doubt if it really matters very much how the towers were brought down, what kind of missile hit the Pentagon, or even if the planes were real.

I strongly suspect the community's natural curiosity about those kinds of details is being deliberately stoked to create disagreement — and distraction from the real issues.


What are the real issues?

[ThePythonicCow]

. . .considering how much evidence you have just trashed, I don't have much enthusiasm to go clicking on your website.

I had not considered the evidence that yankee451 brings to the table regarding 9/11 until today.

I've spent the last couple of hours considering a little bit of what yankee451 (who also publicly identifies himself here as Stephen De'ak) brings to the table, regarding 9/11 research.

Yankee451's research and analysis bring what are, for me, a fresh set of eyes to 9/11 research. Thank-you - your work is very interesting work, that has substantially changed my view of 9/11 once again.

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Norman -- so far as I can tell, at least from what you've posted on this thread recently, it may well be that you actually are not in substantial disagreement with yankee451.

If I understand correctly, you two both agree, along with me and likely most readers of this thread and forum, that the official US story regarding 9/11 is a steaming crock of lies, and that some portion(s) of the US government itself was (were) likely key participant(s) in carrying out 9/11, and were certainly key participants in covering up 9/11.

What I learned from my so far brief review of yankee451's work is that the best of the various 9/11 truther/conspiracy theories that I had been able to cobble together, to explain the actual physical events of the day, in particular to explain where the towers went (in Judy Wood's fine phrase) ... may well be very wrong.

Perhaps the answer to the question "Where did the towers go?" is "Much of what we're told was in those towers simply was not there."

In any case, Norman, if you rile against yankee451's work because you presume that by dismissing our current (for many of us, many year) efforts to understand the physical events of that day, yankee451 is thus leading us back to something closer to the official lies, or some equally false equivalent ...

... then I think you presume incorrectly.

===

In other words:

Event A (9/11) happens
Entity B (the US government and accomplices) tells us what happened (story C, the Official 9/11 Lie).
Researchers R1, R2, ... find C to be a crock of lies, and cobble together variations D1, D2, ... of the truth.
Yankee451 finds more flaws in in D1, D2, ... and further casts doubt on the motives of some of the researchers R1, ...
Yankee451 examines more evidence and proposes variant E1 to partially explain what happened to the towers (and at Shanksville.)

[yankee451]

Thank you, Paul!

I appreciate your perspective, which is frankly, all I ever hoped for; an open discussion of the evidence we all have at our disposal. I have been wrong more often than not, so no one should take anything I have to say at face value; I urge everyone to scrutinize my conclusions carefully. Actually, I welcome the assistance. I am often myopic and make astonishing mistakes (astonishing, even to me), so please, point out where my conclusions are wrong, and I will correct the record, eat crow, and carry on with a newfound understanding of the truth.

For those who want a teaser, the bottom line is "missiles."

Thanks again!

Steve

[yankee451]

By the way, I do have a pretty good idea about the Pentagon too, but haven't had much time to post about it. Here's an interesting clip though:

From the video description:

Pentagon Smoke on 9/11 compared to a Russian military smoke machine "How does a smoke machine work? A smoke machine, in its simplest terms, is a heating element which gets very hot, through which special fluid is pumped and is vapourised, thereby creating smoke vapour which exits the machine through the nozzle. Electronic circuitry ensures that the heating block in the smoke machine is kept between certain temperatures - too hot and the machine turns into a flame thrower - too cold and it shoots out hot liquid. " http://www.smokemachines.net/faqs.shtml Note the burst of flame at about the 20 second mark. Original Source 911datasets.org FBI_FOIPA_NUMBER_1141552-000_1B-1B647

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[Valerie Villars]

New-"The Demolition of Truth-Psychologists Examine 9/11" Directors cut.


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https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAzXvNOVST_BAU-K1iLpAWEgkJRGpdm1NTYvWw=s48-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no (https://www.youtube.com/user/CHARLESEWINGSMITH)Charles Ewing Smith (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1a5dXwofYuTx8Y_74OfKVQ)
Published on 1 Sep 2018


Youtube World Premiere 9-1-18 - the COMPLETE (40 minutes longer than PBS version) award winning documentary featuring Ed Asner, Psychologists like Fran Shure, M.A., L.P.C. and Marti Hopper, PhD. , Scientific and Military Experts like Bob Bowman, and 9/11 Truth Godfather, David Ray Griffin.

I created this with no money or sponsorship. It was just me for 2 years, BUT I had the awesome co-operation of many great patriotic experts and citizens. I made this to help the unsuspecting, unaware U.S. citizens deal with what will surely become the scandal of the century - Charles Ewing Smith, Executive Producer/Editor of "9/11 Explosive Evidence-Experts Speak Out" With Richard Gage.

"The Demolition of Truth: Psychologists Examine 9/11" takes the discussion of questioning the official story of 9/11 to a whole new level. The documentary takes on an uncomfortable subject and brings it into the light, exploring how individuals and communities can heal and move forward ." Shari Bernson Director of Development / Executive Producer Colorado Public Television "If something that violates physics and science disproves it then IT DID NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY. So much SCIENTIFIC information shows 9/11 could NOT have happened as we were told. That should end the discussion and get the new investigation started. This documentary shows why this is not happening."

What an excellent documentary. I forwarded it to my father, who is a construction engineer and who still believes 911 was an act of terror. I felt, if he watches it, that the way in which it was presented would offer a somewhat softer slap in the face than some other videos. I really hope he watches it.

[ceetee9]

About time! Let us hope that the absurdity and lies of the "official story" and the truth of what really happened on 9/11 will finally be exposed so that the sleeping masses can no longer deny or ignore it and that the real perpetrators of this heinous crime are brought to justice.

From the Corbett Report (August 31, 2018):
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[norman]

By the way, I do have a pretty good idea about the Pentagon too, but haven't had much time to post about it. Here's an interesting clip though:

From the video description:

Pentagon Smoke on 9/11 compared to a Russian military smoke machine "How does a smoke machine work? A smoke machine, in its simplest terms, is a heating element which gets very hot, through which special fluid is pumped and is vapourised, thereby creating smoke vapour which exits the machine through the nozzle. Electronic circuitry ensures that the heating block in the smoke machine is kept between certain temperatures - too hot and the machine turns into a flame thrower - too cold and it shoots out hot liquid. " http://www.smokemachines.net/faqs.shtml Note the burst of flame at about the 20 second mark. Original Source 911datasets.org FBI_FOIPA_NUMBER_1141552-000_1B-1B647

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I can see how the evidence you present can be smoke from a smoke machine, but how does that explain the hole through 6 walls ?

[ThePythonicCow]

By the way, I do have a pretty good idea about the Pentagon too, but haven't had much time to post about it. Here's an interesting clip though:

From the video description:

Pentagon Smoke on 9/11 compared to a Russian military smoke machine ...
Aha - a smoke machine at the Pentagon - sure looks like it.

[ThePythonicCow]

I can see how the evidence you present can be smoke from a smoke machine, but how does that explain the hole through 6 walls ?
My current, for some time now, working hypothesis is that something hit the Pentagon - something smaller in diameter and faster in speed than a commercial Boeing passenger plane, something more likely to be found on a military inventory than a private commercial passenger airline's inventory. Perhaps a ballistic missile, cruise missile, or remote controlled fighter plane.

The final hole in the wall, 6 walls away, may have been "constructed" (blown out, or should I say, blown in) after the fact, as part of constructing the visual evidence for the public lies.

I have little doubt but that if additional planted, or hastily brought in, under the cover of the smoke and confusion, explosives (and yet more smoke generators) were needed to create the planned special effects and destruction, those items could have been provided and used as well.

[mountain_jim]

A little something about Bollyn:


If as I suspect the truth movement’s raison d’etre is to direct truthers away from the truth, then logically the truth will be found where truthers fear to tread. From the very beginning the truth movement’s approved lines of investigation were drawn out, and to this day those are the lines toed by the average truther; thermite, modified planes, and Israeli involvement are some of their hallmarks.
...
The same can be said about the cornucopia of low hanging 9/11 fruit; the Zionists, Silverstein, the PNAC and the dancing Israelis are exposed as planted breadcrumbs designed to discredit anyone who swallows them. Jews are dangled in our faces as a “slide” which in hypnosis and brainwashing terms refers to a word or phrase that will shut-down critical thinking, thereby ending a conversation. We in the West have been brainwashed since the ‘70s to equate criticism of Israel with Anti-Semitism (whatever that is) therefore the fastest way to turn-off our Western neighbors is by sliding into the conversation a complaint about Jews. If this was my operation I’d make sure to put Jews and Zionists in positions of prominence to act as Jewish lightning rods to attract attention and to discredit anyone who notices. Since our only hope of stopping the wars is by exposing the lies that started them, Bollyn is out there taking the lead saying “Solving 9/11 Stops the Wars,” which sounds great and ought to be the theme of the whole truth movement if he wasn’t wrong about just about everything and if the truth movement wasn’t actively covering up the truth. If you really want to solve 9/11, Mr. Bollyn, then consider this a formal challenge to debate the evidence and “win or lose,” we’ll do just that, solve it.
Methinks he complains too loudly.

http://yankee451.com/?p=4343

I just have to say, while not revisiting all the links and research I conducted in the past, to claim Bollyn is the main person responsible for misdirection on the Mossad-relationship to 9/11 flies in the face of quite a few documented facts, trial evidence, etc.

These links and articles were well-documented in the MSM at the time, not 'planted breadcrumbs'. You are not going to get Mossad off that easily, in my view.

Start with these links, and dig.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/israel_9-11_index.html

https://archive.org/stream/9-11CopBreaksSilence-IsraeliMossadInvolvementInAttacks/9-11CopBreaksSilence-IsraeliMossadInvolvementInAttacks_djvu.txt


some but not all of the referenced mainstream links have not been scrubbed.

from your post.



It was in 2002 that Bollyn started screaming about the PNAC, the Zionists, and Israeli Art Students. I don’t have a problem blaming Israel if that’s where the evidence leads, but like I said, we all have access to the same information, and from what I’ve found it leads a whole lot closer to a ****ty British Colony in North America than it does to some ****ty British Colony in the Middle East. Bollyn heralded the rumors that built the truth movement but those rumors aren’t true, and instead of his being laughed off stage he is lauded as one of the world’s premier 9/11 researchers. You can’t make this stuff up. When it comes to 9/11 everyone’s claims should be considered suspect, including mine, but especially those of the leaders!



from the link I posted



The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24)



"There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11." (25)

..

Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (26)




https://www.veteranstodayarchives.com/2012/11/08/911-dancing-israelis-phony-lawsuit/

9/11: Civil Court Finds Against Arrested Dancing Israelis

"Dancing Israelis" Arrested On 9/11 Later Sued The Govt, But Lost Their Case




Remember the Israelis who were arrested by New Jersey Police on 9/11/01 as the attacks occurred? They were arrested, interrogated, held for 71 days and eventually all sent back to Israel under suspicous circumstances.

Many researchers have documented this as evidence of Israeli complicity in the attacks. But did you know that the Israelis later sued numerous government employees for civil rights violations? This is not widely known.

There is a lot of information which outlines the initial stories of the “Dancing Israelis”, including WhatReallyHappened and KillTown. The website 911Myths, while defending the establishment’s story, also has a lot of good information on the case. LibertyFight.com disagrees with 911Myths conclusions and analysis but credits them with providing links to some information that many other sites do not have.

This article will give an update on the “Dancing Israeli” situation, with new information which hasn’t been reported by anyone previously, to our knowledge. What has not been reported at all, either in the mainstream media or alternative media, is the conclusion of their civil case. The Israelis federal civil rights lawsuit was tossed out of court!

The viral youtube video “History they don’t Teach you In school” covers a brief history of Israeli false-flag terrorism operations. There is an amusing backstory about this. The video, made by ZionCrimeFactory, was the video that spawned a call to police by a Texas Rabbi in 2010. Rice University Jewish Studies Professor Shira Lander called the police after a Houston man e-mailed her a link to ZCF’s youtube video.

The Rabbi had advertised a public lecture series entitled “The History of Anti-Semitism” with a flier that asked “Why did some blame Jews for 9/11?” and the man simply responded to her question via e-mail correspondence. After that story broke, Dr. Kevin Barret invited Rabbi Lander, his academic colleague, to engage in some “interfaith dialogue” on his radio show regarding the matter, but she didn’t accept the offer for some reason.








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Nevertheless, ZCF’s video features numerous mainstream news reports of Israelis being arrested by police that day, including footage of an interview with the New Jersey cop, Scott DeCarlo, who arrested the dancing Israelis at gunpoint. We will recap a bit here regarding the “Dancing Israelis”:

5 men in a van owned by URBAN MOVING SYSTEMS were spotted by New Jersey residents following the 9/11 attacks dancing, laughing, posing for pictures, smiling and exchanging high-fives. A woman named Maria called the police. New Jersey police officer Scott DeCarlo told of how he had to arrest them at gunpoint after they failed to comply with his orders. History Commons has an excellent detailed account of events involving DeCarlo that day with news links.

Ten years after the attacks, in September 2011, AmericanFreePress later conducted an exclusive interview with DeCarlo, now a Sergeant, who told AFP that this will be his first and last statement on the matter: 9-11 Cop Breaks Silence

The actual police and FBI reports were declassified and released in 2011, and can be read in their entirety through the following links. (911Myths notes that they originally retrieved the 6 documents from scribd.com.):
•East Rutherford police documents View on Scribd
•FBI Documents, section #1 View on Scribd
•FBI Documents, section #2 View on Scribd
•FBI Documents, section #3 View on Scribd
•FBI Documents, section #4 View on Scribd
•FBI Documents, section #5 View on Scribd

CBS reported “A truckload of explosives” and CNN reported “a ton of explosives” in a van stopped “near the George Washington Bridge”, with three men arrested and in custody. Later, CNN ran a press conference with Mayor Rudolph Guliani and Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik in which Kerik denied that any exposives were found. All three news videos can be seen at the very bottom of this page.

An Irish news agency also ran the story ‘Three arrested with van full of explosives’ (see video above that debunks retraction..Ed) but later ran an update, ‘Police confirm arrests but deny explosives find’. There is contention about whether the van with reported explosives was the same van with the five Israelis. However, as we will discuss berlow, note that the Jewish publication reporting on the civil lawsuit on 9/14/04 ran the headline Israelis detained on George Washington Bridge on 9/11 sue Department of Justice.

The Owner of Urban Moving Systems, an Israeli citizen named Dominick Suter, left the country immediately following the arrests, and abandoned his business entirely:
State Granted Access to Moving Company’s Storage Facility


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
December 13, 2001

“NEWARK- The State Division of Consumer Affairs (“Consumer Affairs”) is asking all citizens who have goods stored at Urban Moving Systems’ Weehawken warehouse to immediately contact Consumer Affairs, Attorney General John J. Farmer, Jr., and New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs Director Mark S. Herr announced today. The State on Wednesday obtained a court order giving inspectors from Consumer Affairs access to the facility allowing consumers access to retrieve their goods and belongings.

The State, at the same time, filed a lawsuit in Hudson County Superior Court against Urban Moving Systems and its owner Dominick Suter alleging violations of both the State’s Consumer Fraud Act and regulations set forth in the Public Movers and Warehousing Licensing Act. According to the complaint, on or about September 14, 2001, Suter departed from the United States and left no one acting as an agent for Urban.”

On September 15, 2001, ‘The Record’ of Bergen County, NJ), reported FIVE HIJACK SUSPECTS HAD LINKS TO N.J.; ‘MATERIAL WITNESS IN CUSTODY IN N.Y.C.; THE INVESTIGATION, which read, in part. “An employee of Urban Moving Systems, who would not give his name, said the majority of his co-workers are Israelis and were joking on the day of the attacks. “I was in tears,” the man said. “These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, ‘Now America knows what we go through.”

ABC’s TV News Program 20/20 did an episode on the matter June 21, 2002,: “Five Israeli men arrested soon after 9/11 might have been working for Israeli intelligence, but likely did not know beforehand about the attacks”.

They also ran a news story titled The White Van. ABC’s 20/20 interviewed a former CIA chief for the segment:

“Vince Cannistraro is a former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the Central Intelligence Agency. Now he’s a consultant with ABC News. He says many in the US intelligence community believe that some of the men arrested in the white van were in the US working for Israeli intelligence. They speculate that Urban Moving was being used by Israel as an intelligence front.”

I suggest reading the entire transcript of the 20/20 segment because it is very interesting and gives a lot of details. The five Israelis were eventually released after lengthy interrogations: “Sources tell 20/20, after high-level negotiations between Israeli and US government officials, a settlement was worked out.” ABC interviewed two of the Israelis, brothers Paul and Sivan Kurzberg.

Paul is quoted as telling 20/20 “(Through translator) I went to work over there because, I don’t know, the situation here is not the best.” Sivan Kurzberg said “(Through translator) They took away two months of my life. During that time I was supposed to be on a trip that I had planned when I started my military service.”

20/20 transcript excerpt:

MILLER: (VO) This is Kurzberg’s younger brother, Sivan, who was one of the three men on top of the van that morning. Although Paul and Sivan would not talk with us about the incident, Sivan and two of the other detainees did go on an Israeli talk show after their return. Oded Ellner denied they were laughing or happy that today.

Mr. ODED ELLNER: (Through translator, from Israeli talk show) Nothing of the kind, the fact of the matter is, we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.”

The mens’ defense attorney Ram Horvitz, who was also interviewed by 20/20, denied all wrongdoing and denied the men were Mossad agents: “This story about the five boys being connected with Israeli intelligence is the most stupid and ridiculous story that I ever heard, and it is nonsense. I don’t know who invented this story.”

Mark Regav, the spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington, also spoke with 20/20 and denied any Israeli intelligence connection to the five men, claiming “The story is simply false.”

Channel 4 in the UK later produced a documentary called “The 9/11 Conspiracies”. They interviewed Maria, the woman who initially called the police on the men, and also interviewed three of the Israelis.

While the Israelis didn’t talk to 20/20 about the incident in June 2002, they did speak about it in the UK documentary. It is an excellent must-see segment and can be found towards the bottom of the page here.

In 2004, four of the Israelis, Paul Kurzberg, Silvan Kurzberg, Israelis Yaron Shmuel, and Omer Gavriel Marmari filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Attorney General John Ashcroft and wardens of the Federal Bureau of Prisons. The four were represented by New York attorney Robert Joseph Tolchin and Israeli attorney Nitsana Darshan-Leitner.

They claimed that their detention was illegal and that their civil rights were violated, suffering racial slurs, physical violence, religious discrimination, rough interrogations, deprivation of sleep, and many other offenses. The lawsuit also stated “As Israelis and as Jews, plaintiffs themselves are sworn enemies of al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.”

Regarding the “dancing Israelis”, 911Myths.com notes “One curious footnote to this story appeared three years later, when four of the Israelis filed a lawsuit against the Department of Justice. We’ve not yet discovered what happened to the case, and the lack of information suggests it never reached court. Still, bringing the case at all is hardly what you’d expect if these really were Mossad agents somehow connected to 9/11. Surely three years on they’d want to keep their heads down, not re-open the whole affair?”

There are three archived news reports on the lawsuit from September 2004. The first is an Kokhaviv Publications IMRA Newsletter titled “Israelis detained on George Washington Bridge on 9/11 sue Department of Justice” dated September 14, 2004.

The 2nd is an archive of a Jerusalem Post article titled Four Israelis sue Ashcroft dated September 14, 2004. The 3rd is from the Jewish news weekly of Northern California, titled Four Israelis sue Ashcroft, FBI director over 9/11 treatment dated Friday, September 17, 2004.

The Public can access Federal Court records by registering with a system called PACER (Public Access to Court Electronic Records) at pacer.gov. There is a fee for this service and a charge for each paid viewed. Sometimes, litigants or others may choose to post legal documents from civil cases for the public on other sources outside of the PACER system, on their own sites or websites such as leagle.com.

LibertyFight regularly reviews various legal filings and writes about interesting cases, such as the case involving the Oregon man who sued the police for falsely arresting him after he flipped them off (he won), the woman who was arrested for allegedly avoiding jury duty in Colorado, the lawyer from Los Angeles who beat her red light camera ticket, or the U.S. Department of Justice’s letter to the cops outlining the people’s right to film police.

In the case of the Israelis arrested on 9/11, some of the documents have been made public on leagle.com. The case is KURZBERG v. ASHCROFT 619 F.3d 176 (2010). The document is from the United States Court of Appeals, Second Circuit. The Docket No. of the case is 07-0542-cv. It was argued on November 17, 2009 and decided on August 30, 2010.

To put it plainly, the case was dismissed not because of any of the issues involved or merits of the case, but because the plaintiffs failed to serve the defendants properly as per the rules of the Federal Court.

Because the plaintiffs sued Attorney General John Ashcroft along with many others working for the government, as the appeals court put it, “the plaintiffs were required to serve process on both the individual defendants and -because the individual defendants were sued for acts or omissions occurring in connection with their performance of their duties – the United States.”

Ashcroft early in the proceedings actually waived his right to be personally served, but the plaintiffs had to officially serve the U.S as well. As the court explained, “by its plain text, requires service both upon the individual defendant and upon the United States officially; one will not suffice for the other.”

They actually gave the plaintiffs numerous chances to accomplish this, which was literally as simple as going down to any post office and mailing a certified letter! As the court further explained in their ruling,

“In order to serve process on the United States, the plaintiffs were required to deliver a copy of the complaint to the United States attorney for the district in which the action was brought and also send a copy of the summons and complaint by registered or certified mail to the Attorney General.

Here, the plaintiffs failed to comply with Rule 4(i) because they did not effect service on the United States. The plaintiffs failed to do so despite receiving repeated reminders from the defendants that left the plaintiffs with sufficient time to complete service.”

The court also noted:

“The time period for completion of service extended under Rule 4(m) elapsed without the plaintiffs serving process on the United States through service on the Attorney General by registered or certified mail.

They did, however, attempt to serve the United States three days before the time period expired by sending a copy of the summons and complaint by first-class mail to the mailing address for the Attorney General at the Department of Justice; the attempt was insufficient because it did not make use of registered or certified mail.

After the time period granted by the court had expired, several of the defendants, including Ashcroft, moved in the district court to dismiss the action on grounds of improper service of process, including failure to serve the United States through service on the Attorney General by registered or certified mail.

The district court (John Gleeson, Judge) dismissed the case with respect to all of the defendants, including those who had not raised an improper service defense by pleading or motion. See Kurzberg v. Ashcroft, No. 04 Civ. 3950, 2006 WL 2738991, 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 68680 (E.D.N.Y. Sept. 25, 2006)…

“Serving process on the United States through service by registered or certified mail on the Attorney General might seem, from a practical standpoint, to be nothing more than a formality inasmuch as the Attorney General, who is charged with determining whether the United States will provide representation to individual defendants, was himself an individual defendant in this lawsuit. That does not, however, excuse noncompliance with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

The district court did not err in so holding. For the foregoing reasons, we affirm the judgment of the district court.”

This seems like an unbelievable and absurd thing to happen when there are at least two professional lawyers handling the case for the plaintiffs. It might be understandable if a person was trying to wade through the courts and represent themself.

Federal court rules can be very complicated and burdensome to the average person not versed in the legal system. Many times, cases are thrown out even when plaintiffs do have attorneys, such as in the case of when Jesse Ventura tried to sue the TSA or the ridiculous case of when Ron Paul tried to sue a youtube user (that case was rightly tossed out).

Many times, the court will dismiss a case based on what seems like a “technicality”, such as “standing”, “jurisdiction” “Venue”, failing to respond on time, etc. Fred Rodell, Law Professor at Yale University, wrote a classic essay in 1939 on the fraud and pig-latin type jibberish used by lawyers and judges.

It’s titled WOE UNTO YOU, LAWYERS! and is an excellent, must-read treatise. (The phrase is from Luke 11:46:“But he said: Woe to you lawyers also, because you load men with burdens which they cannot bear and you yourselves touch not the packs with one of your fingers.”)

But for a team of international lawyers in a high profile case, to let the case be tossed out literally because they failed to serve the U.S. Attorney general properly?

According to press reports at the time the case was first filed in 2004, the plaintiffs’ lawyer Nitsana Darshan-Leitner said:

“The infamous arrest of these young Israelis on 9/11 has been used by anti-Semites worldwide as ‘proof’ of Israel’s involvement in the World Trade Center attack. Our clients are seeking compensation for the harm they suffered in the MDC by prison officials.

In addition, the law suit will serve as an important public forum to debunk the lie that Israel or the Mossad was behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks. It will show that there was no Jewish conspiracy as the Arab world continues to claim and put an end to this racist blood libel.”

If it were so important to have a public hearing and “debunk the lie that Israel or the Mossad was behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks”, why would the lawyers allow the lawsuit get tossed out for such an absurd and avoidable reason?!

In 2004 when the suit was filed, many people across the U.S. and the world were researching and finding out the truth about 9/11. Could it be that the lawsuit was filed at a time to deflect attention away from Israeli complicity and paint them instead as the abused victims?

It was tossed out for not sending a certified letter. Do you know how simple it is to send a certified letter, with a return receipt? You can do it at any U.S. Post office for usually less than $5 bucks. Strange days indeed.

At the bottom of this page in the green section are some relevent excerpts from the Appeals Court’s 2010 ruling.

[yankee451]

I can see how the evidence you present can be smoke from a smoke machine, but how does that explain the hole through 6 walls ?

Initial reports were that a truck bomb went off, which might explain the impact hole, but as for the interior damage and roof collapse, those were internal explosives. For the punch out hole, they used a big one of these:

https://www.eba-d.com/assets/product-sheets/Rapid-Wall-Breaching-Kit-RWBK-PrdctSht-For-Gen-Use.pdf

https://www.eba-d.com/assets/product-sheets/Rapid-Wall-Breaching-Kit-RWBK-PrdctSht-For-Gen-Use.pdf[

[yankee451]

The fact is the Israelis weren't dancing, but some people do like to refer to them as "dancing," but it isn't true.
They were seen, and reported, after the first impact, therefore the statement that they "were there to document the event" was exactly what other people were doing at the time, and is not evidence of foreknowledge.
The "truck bomb" rumor was just that, a rumor, which was later retracted:


QUESTION: Mayor, do you know anything about the report about the possible resources that they found in New Jersey?
GIULIANI: Yes. I think the Police Commissioner was able to get information about that.
BERNARD KERIK, NEW YORK CITY POLICE COMMISSIONER: I just got a confirmation from the Chief of Detectives, he's reach out to the FBI. They have confirmed that someone has been stopped in New Jersey, three men in a van. However, there was no explosives in the van. All right. They're being held for questioning.
QUESTION: Where in New Jersey, do you know?
KERIK: I can't say yet.
QUESTION: OK.
QUESTION: Why were they stopped and why do you think they're connected with this?
GIULIANI: We can't tell at this point. It's between the FBI and the Port Authority. We just got the confirmation by phone after I left the last briefing.
QUESTION: Were they on the George Washington Bridge as they were heading to New Jersey?
GIULIANI: No, they weren't.
QUESTION: Were they in the Meadow Land?
QUESTION: There were rumors that there were explosives, where did those rumors come from or why did that begin to circulate?
KERIK: I can't tell you.
QUESTION: Were they in the Meadow Land, Police Commissioner?
KERIK: Excuse me?
QUESTION: Were they in the Meadow Land?
KERIK: It's my understanding, but I -- we haven't confirmed that.
QUESTION: Do we know why they were stopped?
KERIK: Not yet.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/se.05.html


The mural van was another one:


A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.
http://transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/documents/Sept11.book.htm


Israel is just another British Colony just like the USA, and they are doing to their indigenous population exactly what the USA has been doing for the last 500 years. However horrible Israel is, the USA is worse, but there’s no way the USA and Israel were the only players in 9/11. Clearly ALL the world’s nations were involved, especially the enemy nations. Surely the North Korean, Chinese, Iranian, Iraqi, and Russian critical thinkers, leaders and military minds know mostly hollow aluminum jets can’t fly through steel, bore through concrete buildings and burrow into the ground in the real world. The very nations that could blow the whistle (and allegedly have every reason to do so), do not. There is obviously global collusion at play and we are deliberately given the “Israeli breadcrumbs” because one of the goals is, and always has been, to control the opposition. What better way to marginalize a peace movement than to make them out to be bigots. Here in the West we are indoctrinated from birth to equate criticism of Israel with “Anti-Semites,” whatever that is, so whether or not the breadcrumbs are deliberately planted the result is still the same - a turned-off public to the AntiSemtic Truth movement. The CIA is expert at setting up patsies after all but the evidence I’ve seen leads a lot closer to home than some crappy little British Colony in the Middle East. All the world is a stage, apparently.

[yankee451]

I can see how the evidence you present can be smoke from a smoke machine, but how does that explain the hole through 6 walls ?
My current, for some time now, working hypothesis is that something hit the Pentagon - something smaller in diameter and faster in speed than a commercial Boeing passenger plane, something more likely to be found on a military inventory than a private commercial passenger airline's inventory. Perhaps a ballistic missile, cruise missile, or remote controlled fighter plane.

The final hole in the wall, 6 walls away, may have been "constructed" (blown out, or should I say, blown in) after the fact, as part of constructing the visual evidence for the public lies.

I have little doubt but that if additional planted, or hastily brought in, under the cover of the smoke and confusion, explosives (and yet more smoke generators) were needed to create the planned special effects and destruction, those items could have been provided and used as well.

There would be no surreptitious movement needed considering the perpetrators probably included the joint chiefs of staff, who should be ultimately responsible for "allowing" the attack to occur.

[thepainterdoug]

https://www.ae911truth.org/news/479-security-alerts-disabled-fire-alarms-and-unused-elevators-suspicious-events-at-the-world-trade-center-before-9-11

[Foxie Loxie]

Hint....Hint! Read Christopher Bollyn's two books!! ;)

[James Newell]

Here is a Website that gives some different views and excellent research. It seems fitting for the 9-11 anniversary.
One part that was particularly interesting was it was a missle with hologram tech to make it look like a plane. And nukes in the elevator shaft. And termite on the initial entry to give evidence that jet fuel can melt steel. They also show a missile on bottom of plane that "went in" the tower.

https://jamesperloff.com/2017/08/31/conversations-with-an-airline-pilot-about-911/

[gord]

The James Perloff article mentioning mini-nukes on 9/11 reminded me that there are tons of articles on Veteran's Today about that.


Here's the conclusion of a July 1, 2018 article (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/07/01/why-is-israel-controlling-9-11-troof/) there containing numerous links to their articles about nukes on 9/11 and elsewhere.


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Conclusion

This is a small portion of what transpired in the aftermath of 9/11. The story goes everywhere, Israeli nuclear weapons trading, nuclear spies among the Bush and Clinton administrations and the unmistakable fingerprints of a massive criminal conspiracy that supersedes governments themselves.


More importantly, the continued rearing of the ugly head of those responsible for 9/11 and its aftermath, as activists and “troofers,” largely run out of the Tel Aviv and Haifa troll rooms, that and the “troofer” media darlings that keep the lie machine alive….


And so it goes.


Resources:


https://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/02/thoughts-on-mini-nukes-theory-in-regard-to-nuclear-demolition-of-the-world-trade-center/
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/02/vt-nuclear-education-undeniable-proof-of-911-as-a-nuclear-event/
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/17/911-revelations-continue-humiliating-the-victims-dancing-on-their-graves/
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/07/19/debunking-the-28-pages-top-secret-911-doc-revealed/
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/10/05/911-filling-in-the-map-tracing-the-nukes/
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/29/iaea-source-trump-fires-accused-israeli-nuclear-spy-tom-countryman/
and


9-11 Revelations continue, Humiliating the victims, Dancing on their Graves (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/06/17/911-revelations-continue-humiliating-the-victims-dancing-on-their-graves/)
The Problem with Cold Fusion and How small can a Nuclear Reaction Be? (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/31/the-problem-with-cold-fusion-and-how-small-can-a-nuclear-reaction-be/)
The B-61, the more Usable Nuke (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/02/13/the-b-61-the-more-usable-nuke/)
VT Nuclear Education: North Korea Fission-Fusion (Hydrogen bomb) Device Claim Doubted (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/01/06/vt-nuclear-education-north-korea-fission-fusion-hydrogen-bombdevice-claim-doubted/)

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9-11 Syllabus and VT Nuclear Education Series – 2015


The Secret of America’s Doomsday Waste (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/26/the-secret-of-americas-doomsday-nuclear-waste/)
VT Nuclear Education: The History of Nuclear Weapons Design 1945 to 2015 (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/30/vt-nuclear-education-the-history-of-nuclear-weapons-design-1945-to-2015/)
VT Nuclear Education: The Uranium Hydride Bomb (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/04/vt-nuclear-education-the-uranium-hydride-bomb/)
VT Nuclear Education: Subcritical and microfission explosives (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/01/vt-nuclear-education-subcritical-and-microfission-explosives/)
VT Nuclear Education – Freon and the Hohlraum (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/01/vt-nuclear-education-freon-and-the-hohlraum/)
The Secret Nazi role in Building the Atomic Bomb (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/09/the-secret-nazi-role-in-building-the-atomic-bomb/)
How the Nazi A-Bomb Worked (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/06/how-the-nazi-a-bomb-worked/)
VT Nuclear Education: Critical Mass (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/06/vt-nuclear-education-critical-mass/)
VT Nuclear Education: Laser and Nuke Weapon Calculator (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/06/vt-nuclear-education-nuclear-weapon-calculator/)
VT Nuclear Education: Germany (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/24/362256/)
9/11 Science: Craters and Explosive Damage (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/22/911-science-craters-produced-by-explosions-on-the-soil-surface/)
Neutron Bombs and Other Toys (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/17/neutron-bombs-and-other-toys/)
NEO: Building Nuclear Case Against Saudis (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/16/neo-building-a-nuclear-case-against-the-saudis/)
VT Nuclear Education: The Secrets of EMP Weapons (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/17/vt-nuclear-education-the-secrets-of-emp-weapons/)
VT Nuclear Education: Explosive Properties of Reactor Grade Plutonium (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/17/vt-nuclear-education-explosive-properties-of-reactor-grade-plutonium/)
Nukes on Yemen, Confirming Proofs: Yield Estimation from Illumination Time (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/06/nukes-on-yemen-confirming-proofs-rough-yield-estimation-from-illumination-time-the-most-immediate-indication-of-a-nuclear-explosion-is-the-intense-light-emanated-from-thefireball-just-like-se/)
Nukes on Yemen, Confirming Proofs: Introduction to Nuclear Operations (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/06/nukes-on-yemen-confirming-proofs-introduction-to-nuclear-operations/)
Nukes on Yemen-Confirming Proofs: Calculating Nuclear Blast Yield from the Flash (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/06/06/nukes-on-yemen-confirming-proofs-calculating-nuclear-blast-yield-from-the-flash/)
How Israel Was Busted Nuking Yemen (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/29/how-israel-was-busted-nuking-yemen/)
Saudis Have Israel Nuke Yemen for Them (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/21/358343/)
VT Warning of EMP Plot Confirmed by Guardian (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/02/vt-warning-of-emp-plot-confirmed-by-guardian/)
VT Nuke Education: Thorium Warnings (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/20/vt-nuclear-education-warnings-on-thorium/)
VT Nuclear Education: CIA/Iran Trial and more disclosure (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/15/vt-nuclear-education-ciairan-trial-and-more-disclosure/)
NEO – CIA Torture Report Ties Cheney/Bout to 9/11 Nukes (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/08/neo-cia-torture-report-incriminates-dick-cheney/)
The DOE Defends Nuclear 9/11 (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/05/the-doe-defends-nuclear-911/)

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9-11 Syllabus and VT Nuclear Education Series – 2014


Too Classified to Publish: Bush Nuclear Piracy Exposed (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/too-classified-to-publish-bush-nuclear-piracy-exposed/)
Nuke Cancer from 9/11 Revealed (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/20/nuke-cancer-from-911-revealed/)
9/11 NUKE DEMOLITION PROOF: Firefighters Radiation Cancers “Off the Scale” (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/04/04/911-nuke-demolition-proof-firefighters-radiation-cancers-off-the-scale/)
Doc Submitted By Russian Intel (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/21/doc-submitted-by-russian-intel/)
Constructing the Nuclear Child (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/22/constructing-the-nuclear-child/)
VT Nuclear Education Series (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/31/vt-nuclear-education-series/)
Nuclear Education Series: Dimona Classified (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/01/nuclear-education-series-dimona-classified/)
VT Nuclear Terrorism Education Series (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/01/vt-nuclear-terrorism-education-series/)
VT Nuclear Education: Undeniable Proof of 9/11 as a Nuclear Event (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/02/vt-nuclear-education-undeniable-proof-of-911-as-a-nuclear-event/)
VT Nuclear Education: As the Hammer Drops (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/18/vt-nuclear-education-as-the-hammer-drops/)
VT Nuclear Education: Mossad/N. Korea Links, MOX (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/24/vt-nuclear-education-mossadn-korea-links-mox/)
Nuclear Roundtable: America’s Nuclear Arsenal (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/24/nuclear-roundtable-americas-nuclear-arsenal/)
Officials Cite “Thermo-Nuke” in 9/11 Demo (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/07/officials-site-thermo-nuke-in-911-demo/)
VT Nuclear Education: Fission Based Thermobaric Weapons (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/08/vt-nuclear-education-fission-based-thermobaric-weapons/)
IAEA investigators: Audit reveals US, not Iran the Problem (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/01/iaea-investigators-audit-reveals-us-not-iran-the-problem/)

VT Supporting Material on 9/11, Nuclear Physics and Disclosure Issues


VT Nuclear Education: Anti – gravity (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/13/vt-nuclear-education-anti-gravity/)
NEO – Mini Nukes and M16: The Economy of War (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/14/neo-mini-nukes-and-m16-the-economy-of-war/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: Nukes in Iraq, Confirmation UPDATED (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/15/vt-nuclear-education-nukes-in-iraq-confirmation/)
VT Flexing Its Nuclear Muscle (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/24/vt-flexing-its-nuclear-muscle/) (must read)
Nuclear 9/11 Revealed: Theories and Disinformation, the Misguided and the Inhuman (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/28/nuclear-911-revealed-theories-and-disinformation-the-misguided-and-the-inhuman/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: Tactical Nuclear Warfare (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/30/vt-nuclear-education-tactical-nuclear-warfare/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: Early Reactors (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/08/30/vt-nuclear-education-early-reactors/)
IAEA investigators: Audit reveals US, not Iran the problem (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/01/iaea-investigators-audit-reveals-us-not-iran-the-problem/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: History of Mini-Nukes (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/03/vt-nuclear-education-history-of-mini-nukes/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: Answering the Hype (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/08/vt-nuclear-education-answering-the-hype/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Atom Smasher (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/14/vt-nuclear-education-a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-atom-smasher/) (must read)
VT Nuclear Education: LENR Neutron Distribution (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/15/vt-nuclear-education-lenr-neutron-distribution/)
Einsteins Theory on Magnetic Buoyancy (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/17/einsteins-theory-on-magnetic-buoyancy-and-its-application-to-the-space-time-continuum-or-gravity/)
VT Science: Fuel Cell Technology (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/21/vt-science-fuel-cell-technology/)
VT Science: The Farnsworth Fusor (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/18/vt-science-the-farnsworth-fusor/)
VT Science: HAARP (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/05/vt-science-haarp/)
Fusion: Junk Science For Rubes (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/16/fusion-junk-science-for-rubes/)
NEO – Nuclear Threats Enter the Mainstream (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/17/neo-nuclear-threats-enter-the-mainstream/) (must read)
VT Science: NASA’s Low Energy Fusion VooDoo/DooDoo (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/18/vt-science-nasas-low-energy-fusion-voodoodoodoo/)
The Connection Between Aurora and Black Triangles (Redux) (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/10/the-connection-between-aurora-and-black-triangles/)
Jeff Smith on Upcoming Able Danger Leak (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/31/jeff-smith-on-the-upcoming-able-danger-leak/)
VT Nuclear Education: Japan (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/09/vt-nuclear-education-japan/)
VT Nuclear Education: Detonations and Deceit (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/09/03/vt-nuclear-education-detonations-and-deceit/)
9/11 Hokum: Deconstructing Christopher Bollyn and Steve Jones (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/28/deconstructing-christopher-bollyn-and-steve-jones/)
Why are the Commanding Generals being Sacked? (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/11/330695/)

[norman]

Being a New Yorker who did a live chat today, I suppose Lionel doesn't need much introduction or justification to post here. That's just as well because there's no blurb with this video.

#LionelNation (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%23LionelNation)🇺🇸Immersive Live Stream: A Very Solemn Day

lsIpaj-NiIg

[Smell the Roses]

Maybe Bollyn isn't all you think he is.

Start here. When confronted with evidence that he was mistaken about the Shanksville crater being there prior to 2001, instead of writing a retraction (which I even do when I make a mistake), this was his response, below. Now I don't know about you, but some people might take that as a threat. What does my family background, and my high school photo have to do with the FACT that he was "mistaken?"

http://yankee451.com/?p=3858

I'm not sure if the email exchange to which you linked here is a comedy or a tragedy, but it certainly does illustrate the success the 9/11/01 Criminals continue to have in getting away with one of the most outrageous crimes in history. Did you ever do the interview with Fetzer about 9/11?

[yankee451]

Maybe Bollyn isn't all you think he is.

Start here. When confronted with evidence that he was mistaken about the Shanksville crater being there prior to 2001, instead of writing a retraction (which I even do when I make a mistake), this was his response, below. Now I don't know about you, but some people might take that as a threat. What does my family background, and my high school photo have to do with the FACT that he was "mistaken?"

http://yankee451.com/?p=3858

I'm not sure if the email exchange to which you linked here is a comedy or a tragedy, but it certainly does illustrate the success the 9/11/01 Criminals continue to have in getting away with one of the most outrageous crimes in history. Did you ever do the interview with Fetzer about 9/11?


Yeah, not my proudest moment. I've done several interviews with Fetzer:

Rebuttal to Jim's video, "Who was Responsible, and Why?" ; https://youtu.be/ALPZqq3tW3U
"What cut the holes in the WTC?": https://youtu.be/nedSFWxw9uI
"WTC, dismantled and hollow vs mini-nukes": https://youtu.be/smNDDzSuSoc
Radio interview from 2012: http://www.911crashtest.org/2012/10/03/james-fetzer-interviews-steve-deak/

[norman]

9/11 War Games

3noExmsCRyg
https://yt3.ggpht.com/a-/AN66SAwih19yirsAEZ3hogqmiH_HMJpIXxHrmFrkfQ=s48-mo-c-c0xffffffff-rj-k-no (https://www.youtube.com/user/corbettreport)corbettreport (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q)
Published on 11 Sep 2018



TRANSCRIPT AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/911wargames/



Little did we know at the time, 9/11 was not a normal day of blue sky aviation. On the contrary, it was one of the busiest days in the history of American aviation, a dense forest of live fly exercises, drills, simulations, fake radar injects and utter confusion. And that was before the attacks even began. This is the story of 9/11 that you didn't watch unfold on your TV that fateful day in 2001. This is the story of the 9/11 War Games.

[onawah]

MOORE/PAINE – MOAB DROP--True Pundit revealed
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/moorepaine-moab-drop/
10/16/18


https://vimeo.com/295254263
"The éminence grise behind TruePundit.com, known as Thomas Paine recently revealed his true identity as Michael Moore. He’s been a forensic accountant and money-laundering expert for big banks and as a contractor for the FBI. He will be releasing a book at the end of the month, ‘PAINE: How We Dismantled the FBI in Our Pajamas,’ and this interview with Jason Goodman is Moore’s opening salvo to launch his book.

Today’s bombshell relates to evidence and testimony acquired by Paine, documenting how, in the aftermath of 9/11, officials in the George W Bush Administration made an agreement with the Iranian government to hide Osama Bin Laden in Iranian territory, from which he continued to run Al Qaeda, a job which then passed on to his son.

A simultaneous deal was struck with Saudi Arabia to protect Bin Laden and in return, Al Qaeda would not make another attack on US soil. Paine says that all higher-level officials in both the Dubya and Obama Administrations were aware of this arrangement but lower level people who stumbled onto this over the years found their careers torpedoed and themselves put under house arrest, including him. It was only after his Federal probation sentence expired that he took a look back at what he was investigating in 2007, prior to his FBI arrest and he realized that this story is what had gotten him into trouble.

While it was publicly revealed in 2009 that 7 members of Osama Bin Laden’s family had been living under house arrest in Iran, it has never previously been revealed that Osama Bin Laden, himself had operated Al Qaeda out of Iran. Moore believes that the $150 billion for the JCPOA Iran nuclear deal was “hush money” given to Iran to remain quiet about this.

Nowehere in Moore’s documents does he see any talk of capturing Bin Laden from where he was hiding in Iran. Meanwhile, the US was spending billions of dollars warring in Afghanistan, where US troops remain to this day. This, of course leads one to ask whether Al Qaeda was always a US-supported operation used as an tool to justify the US’ projection of power and to grease the wheels of the war economy.

When asked what he thought about this, Moore responds that it’s a mess that is way over his head; Iran and Saudi Arabia are supposed to be mortal enemies. He guesses that with the US bribing both sides with tremendous amounts of money, such animosities go by the wayside.

Moore says it’s been an enormous challenge to write the book, while watching the attacks coming from despicable swamp creatures, like John Brennan and other former members of the Government; people who’ve spent their entire careers and who continue to do everything in their power to destroy the United States and the lives of millions of innocents all over the world."

[ThePythonicCow]

MOORE/PAINE – MOAB DROP--True Pundit revealed
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/moorepaine-moab-drop/
I moved the above video to this thread, the most recently active 9/11 thread.

[Satori]

MOORE/PAINE – MOAB DROP--True Pundit revealed
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/moorepaine-moab-drop/
10/16/18


https://vimeo.com/295254263
"The éminence grise behind TruePundit.com, known as Thomas Paine recently revealed his true identity as Michael Moore. He’s been a forensic accountant and money-laundering expert for big banks and as a contractor for the FBI. He will be releasing a book at the end of the month, ‘PAINE: How We Dismantled the FBI in Our Pajamas,’ and this interview with Jason Goodman is Moore’s opening salvo to launch his book.

Today’s bombshell relates to evidence and testimony acquired by Paine, documenting how, in the aftermath of 9/11, officials in the George W Bush Administration made an agreement with the Iranian government to hide Osama Bin Laden in Iranian territory, from which he continued to run Al Qaeda, a job which then passed on to his son.

A simultaneous deal was struck with Saudi Arabia to protect Bin Laden and in return, Al Qaeda would not make another attack on US soil. Paine says that all higher-level officials in both the Dubya and Obama Administrations were aware of this arrangement but lower level people who stumbled onto this over the years found their careers torpedoed and themselves put under house arrest, including him. It was only after his Federal probation sentence expired that he took a look back at what he was investigating in 2007, prior to his FBI arrest and he realized that this story is what had gotten him into trouble.

While it was publicly revealed in 2009 that 7 members of Osama Bin Laden’s family had been living under house arrest in Iran, it has never previously been revealed that Osama Bin Laden, himself had operated Al Qaeda out of Iran. Moore believes that the $150 billion for the JCPOA Iran nuclear deal was “hush money” given to Iran to remain quiet about this.

Nowehere in Moore’s documents does he see any talk of capturing Bin Laden from where he was hiding in Iran. Meanwhile, the US was spending billions of dollars warring in Afghanistan, where US troops remain to this day. This, of course leads one to ask whether Al Qaeda was always a US-supported operation used as an tool to justify the US’ projection of power and to grease the wheels of the war economy.

When asked what he thought about this, Moore responds that it’s a mess that is way over his head; Iran and Saudi Arabia are supposed to be mortal enemies. He guesses that with the US bribing both sides with tremendous amounts of money, such animosities go by the wayside.

Moore says it’s been an enormous challenge to write the book, while watching the attacks coming from despicable swamp creatures, like John Brennan and other former members of the Government; people who’ve spent their entire careers and who continue to do everything in their power to destroy the United States and the lives of millions of innocents all over the world."

I have not watched the video, yet. I will do so in the coming days. But I have to say, that based upon the description provided in the post of the video and of "Michael Moore's'" statements, I call BS! This is because the clear implication is that OBL and Al CIAda were the masterminds of, and carried out, 9/11. That is not supported by common sense, observation, experience, or the demonstrably provable facts, even given the sparsely available and controlled evidence.

[ThePythonicCow]

MOORE/PAINE – MOAB DROP--True Pundit revealed
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/moorepaine-moab-drop/

...

Today’s bombshell relates to evidence and testimony acquired by Paine, documenting how, in the aftermath of 9/11, officials in the George W Bush Administration made an agreement with the Iranian government to hide Osama Bin Laden in Iranian territory, from which he continued to run Al Qaeda, a job which then passed on to his son.

...

Here's Jim Stone (http://82.221.129.208/.yb5.html)'s take on the idea that bin Laden is hiding out in Iran:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bin Laden is not hiding out in Iran!!!

The new story hatched to go after Iran is Bin Laden is there!

Gee, according to the story line Obama got him.

Only, in reality, he died in Afghanistan when he could not get dialysis, shortly after the U.S. started blowing the place up.

No one knows if he was a fiction, because the CIA had several actors on the part, all looking a little bit different.

But if you put him in Iran, it gives a reason to strike Iran, even though if Iran ever got ahold of him, he'd be MINCE MEAT, they absolutely hate billionaire Sunni sauds, and would not have agreed with 911 even though it happened to the U.S.

If he was in Iran, how old would he be now? He was pretty freaking old even on 911, and he survived that much more time on dialysis??!!?? Anyway, I am not naming the "highly credible" source of this bull**** "Osama Iran" connection but will also not be enthusiastic about looking at what they claim in the future.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In defense of TruePundit's Thomas Paine, aka Michael Moore, Jim Stone misses the detail that supposedly the job of managing Al Quaeda has now been passed on to Osama's son.

But other than that detail, I find Jim Stone's take to be more credible. Thomas Paine's take makes no mention of the primary involvement of powerful people and agencies within the US (e.g. Vice President Dick Cheney) and likely elsewhere (Israel, UK and Saudi Arabia) in carrying out and covering up 9/11 and using 9/11 as cover for a variety of deep state activities. Rather Paine points the finger, once again, at Iran.

My first impression on listening to Jason Goodman's interview of Thomas Paine was that Paine's work was yet another "limited hangout", to continue the 9/11 coverup.

Unlike Jim Stone, I had not picked up on the detail that this was once again blaming Iran, perhaps continuing the effort by the Neocon, Zionist, deep state to pick a fight with Iran.

[ThePythonicCow]

I have not watched the video, yet. I will do so in the coming days. But I have to say, that based upon the description provided in the post of the video and of "Michael Moore's'" statements, I call BS! This is because the clear implication is that OBL and Al CIAda were the masterminds of, and carried out, 9/11. That is not supported by common sense, observation, experience, or the demonstrably provable facts, even given the sparsely available and controlled evidence.
I agree. I watched some 50 minutes of the video before giving up on it (my breakfast was ready to eat.)

It was in my current estimation not only BS, but a thinner gruel of BS than I had hoped for. I can enjoy a good conspiracy theory more than most, even one that doesn't stand up to the light of day. But I at least like some meat on the false bones.

[onawah]

Thanks for clearing that up, Paul and Satori.
Alexandra Bruce of Forbidden Knowledge seems not to be hot on the trail of good whistleblowing recently...
I will send her an email and a link to this page, which might be helpful.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Many in the community have no tolerance for this and see this as partial truth and a "limited hangout" It seems you either have to be 100% correct on everything or your put into a disinfo bin.

It is a real problem, though. I first started following 9/11 conspiracy theories around 2003. It was what first "woke me up." And a few years later, I became firmly convinced that people were being paid to spread disinformation about it online. Later, articles starting coming out proving that such operations do exist.

The best explanation I've seen is Joseph P. Farrell's layered approached. He believes there were at least 3 distinct layers of masterminds of the 9/11 attacks: the Saudi patsies at the bottom, the US government involvement in the middle, and the international "deep state" at the top. He has videos on YouTube talking about this.


The Dr Judy Wood view , that the buildings dustified makes sense to me when looking at seismic records,( the lack of ), the free fall speed, the fireman surviving in stairwell B looking up and seeing blue sky the hollowing out of building 6 and the lack of a rubble
pile from 2- 500thousand ton buildings. it just doesn't add up.

The problem I have with Judy Wood is that nothing she is talking about can be visually seen at the towers. The mechanisms she describes look absolutely nothing like the actual collapses.

All of the dust seen during the collapses is not all concrete dust, either. If you watch carefully (I used to have very good pictures of this, years ago), the steel that is falling through the air is giving off constant plumes of expanding "smoke." That's not actually smoke but sublimation. The steel is literally evaporating as it falls through the air.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jCdFecgZylg/0.jpg

See those "arms" of smoke? Like tendrils? It's very distinctive.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/40XN8w1OLwo/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.planetdeadly.com/wp-content/uploads/desert-nuke.jpg


Compare:

http://www.internallydisplacedpeople.org/joomla30/images/Screen-Shot-2017-09-22-at-11.59.59-AM.png

http://serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/w3000000.jpg

Pay special attention to the pieces of steel falling in the last image. The clouds of "smoke" are streaming off of the steel and rapidly expanding (due to heat) behind it. One little piece in the foreground is especially telling. The amount of "smoke" or "dust" pouring off of it is absolutely out of all proportion to the size of the object itself. Do you see it?

Looks like a pretty good visual match to me. I remember Judy Wood talking a lot about the Hutchinson effect, which causes steel to deform, and I can't see that anywhere in there.


I ask this because I don't see any progress being made if all are constantly calling the others, disinfo agents and fighting. Any newly awakening person needs to get their foot in the door on this most complex and perplexing event. Isn't it enough to get a person to be willing to accept that it was not what the government has told us? Then go from there.

You can't expect much less when military and intelligence networks are pumping untold millions into disinformation campaigns. Without allies on the inside to declassify and expose all of this stuff, we'll probably never know the truth. Even then they probably wouldn't be able to declassify all of it, for legitimate reasons.

[yankee451]

Please see these videos of the hat truss, as it falls straight down:

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And these clips of the "spire," also falling straight down:

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And this clip showing how they get vertical columns to fall straight down:
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[Hervé]

...


... no shame... from the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47071241)


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/8612/production/_105422343_p1210753.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12252/production/_105422347_hungviewbbc.jpg
The site's giant Star of David will be lit up at night

[...]
Pilots landing after dark at Budapest international airport will soon have a new star to navigate by - a giant Star of David.
[...]

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Impressive summary of history from the artist's vision...

[Dennis Leahy]

I have to say that the notion of a new investigation is laugh-out-loud hilarious. Why? Well...

My conspiracy research started with the "Gemstone File", in the 1970s. A group of people, a cabal, behind the curtain - that are now referred to as the Deep State - blew JFKs head wide open in broad daylight. More importantly, the ones in US government positions simply slithered back into the government and its alphabet agencies. They were never exposed, never caught, and never purged from the government. JFK was terribly naive when he went to "the press" (the 'secret society' speech) and thought they were the fourth estate. As we saw, they were already fully ready to cover-up the hit, and they did.

So, in 1960 (maybe Jan of 61?), Eisenhower gave his farewell speech exposing that the "military industrial complex" had already grown too powerful, too influential with "undue influence"... I don't think JFK got that either. By November 22, 1963, the deep state actually already had control of the US government, JFK mistakenly thought the secret society members he was aware of were a small appendage that could be excised. He was dead wrong. After the JFK hit, the cabal metastasized within the government, having never been caught. The democrat and republican organizations are simply the Deep State mechanism to ensure that the Deep State remains in control, election after election.

So, fast forward to 2001, and then to 2019: the Deep State still controls the entire US government, all 3 branches (plus mass media.) The SCOTUS is strictly loaded with Deep State cabal loyalists. Now, just exactly who is going to issue indictments, or prosecute - much less convict - the Deep State operatives?

[PurpleLama]

Architects and Engineers for 911 have successfully petitioned the southern district of NY to begin a criminal grand jury investigation based on the information which they have accumulated. I haven't read anything, but I am halfway through an interview from the Higherside Chats which details the beginning of a real legal process that may prove to have legs.

[onawah]

Lawyers' Committee 'Names Names' in New 9/11 Grand Jury Filing
Plus: U.S. Attorney Informed of Potential of Mandamus Litigation
Next Step in the Grand Jury Investigation
From: E911Truth actionalert@ae911truth.org via mail.salsalabs.net
3/12/19
"Today, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry — with whom AE911Truth has partnered in our ongoing Grand Jury Investigation Project — announced the filing of a “petition supplement” naming persons who may have information material to the federal grand jury investigation of the World Trade Center’s explosive demolition on September 11, 2001.

The 33-page document contains 15 different categories of persons who may have information material to the investigation, including contractors and security companies that had access to the WTC Towers before 9/11, persons and entities who benefited financially from the WTC demolitions, and persons arrested after being observed celebrating the WTC attacks."
Read More (as follows): https://www.ae911truth.org/news/512-lawyers-name-names-of-persons-with-material-information-in-9-11-grand-jury-filing
"LAWYERS GROUP FILES PETITION SUPPLEMENT WITH U.S. ATTORNEY ON PERSONS WHO MAY HAVE INFORMATION MATERIAL TO 9/11 GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION
U.S. ATTORNEY INFORMED OF POTENTIAL FOR MANDAMUS LITIGATION.
March 12, 2019

CONTACT: MICK HARRISON, ESQ., LITIGATION DIRECTOR (812) 361-6220

DAVID MEISWINKLE, ESQ., CHAIRMAN (908) 420-2943

The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, a nonprofit public interest organization, hereby announces its filing with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York of an important Petition Supplement regarding persons who may have information material to 9/11-related crimes previously reported to the U.S. Attorney. In April and July of last year, the Lawyers’ Committee filed a Petition and an Amended Petition demanding that the U.S. Attorney, pursuant to its duty under a federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 3332, present to a Special Grand Jury extensive evidence of federal crimes relating to the destruction by explosive demolition of three World Trade Center Towers on September 11, 2001 that resulted in extensive loss of life.

On November 7, 2018, the U.S. Attorney replied to the Lawyers’ Committee acknowledging the original Petition and Amended Petition and agreeing to comply with 18 U.S.C. § 3332. This federal law states: “[a]ny such [United States] attorney receiving information concerning such an alleged offense from any other person shall, if requested by such other person, inform the [Special] grand jury of such alleged offense, the identity of such other person, and such attorney's action or recommendation.” 18 U.S.C. § 3332 further states that “(a) It shall be the duty of each such [special] grand jury impaneled within any judicial district to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district.” The U.S. Attorney, however, did not state explicitly what actions would be taken to comply.

The Petition Supplement filed today, building on the prior-filed evidence of “what” crimes were committed during this tragedy, focuses on the “who,” “why,” and “how” of these yet-to-be prosecuted crimes. The thirty-three-page document presents detailed information regarding persons who may have information material to the federal Special Grand Jury’s investigation. This new Petition Supplement was addressed to U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoffrey S. Berman as well as to Michael Ferrara and Ilan Graff, Chiefs, Terrorism and International Narcotics Unit.

The Lawyers’ Committee’s April 10th 52-page original Petition was accompanied by 57 exhibits and presented extensive evidence that explosives were used to destroy three WTC Towers on 9/11. That evidence included independent scientific laboratory analysis of WTC dust samples showing the presence of high-tech explosives and/or incendiaries; numerous first-hand reports by First Responders of seeing and hearing explosions at the World Trade Center on 9/11; expert analysis of seismic evidence that explosions occurred at the WTC towers on 9/11 both prior to the airplane impacts and prior to the building collapses; and expert analysis and testimony by architects, engineers, and scientists concluding that the rapid onset symmetrical near-free-fall acceleration collapse of these three WTC high rise buildings on 9/11 exhibited the key characteristics of controlled demolition. The July 30th Amended Petition included the same evidence but also addressed several additional federal crimes beyond the federal bombing crime addressed in the original Petition.

The Lawyers’ Committee concluded in the petitions that explosive and incendiary devices that had been preplaced at the WTC were detonated causing the complete collapse of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11, and the resulting tragic loss of life, and that “the evidence permits no other conclusion -- as a matter of science, as a matter of logic, and as a matter of law.” Both petitions and a names-redacted version of the just-filed Petition Supplement are available to the public on the Lawyers’ Committee’s webpage at www.lcfor911.org.

Attorney David Meiswinkle, President of the Lawyers’ Committee’s Board of Directors, stated: “This Petition Supplement is intended to assist the Special Grand Jury by providing a roadmap for a meaningful investigation into the yet-to-be-prosecuted 9/11 WTC crimes that the Lawyers’ Committee has reported and documented in our Petitions.”

Ed Asner, Executive Director of the Lawyers’ Committee, stated: “The filing of this important Supplement to the Lawyers’ Committee’s historic Petition to the U.S. Attorney represents a significant second step towards greater transparency and accountability regarding the tragic events of 9/11 at the World Trade Center.”

Attorney Mick Harrison, Litigation Director for the Lawyers’ Committee, stated: “We understand the need for secrecy relating to what occurs before the Special Grand Jury. However, the law does not preclude the U.S. Attorney from communicating with the Lawyers’ Committee regarding whether our Petition and Supplement have in fact been provided to the Special Grand Jury, and whether our attorneys and scientific experts will be allowed to present evidence. The U.S. Attorney has been silent on these important questions. We would prefer to believe the best based on actual communications, rather than having to assume the worst based on months of silence. Out of necessity, we have just advised the U.S. Attorney that we are considering filing a federal court petition under the federal mandamus statute, 28 U.S.C. § 1361, and the Administrative Procedures Act, 5 U.S.C. §§ 702, 706, to compel the U.S. Attorney to perform its duties under 18 U.S.C. § 3332. We would prefer to collaborate with, rather than bring legal action against, the U.S. Attorney’s Office, but in order to do so, the U.S. Attorney will need to timely communicate with us.”

The Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry is a nonprofit, 501(c)(3) organization devoted to conducting investigations and public education in the public interest regarding matters related to the tragic events of September 11, 2001 and the circumstances leading up to and following those events, with a focus on government transparency and accountability regarding investigation and prosecution of those responsible for the crimes related to 9/11 (whether those responsible are foreign or domestic individuals, corporations, or government entities). The Amended Petition, exhibits, and names-redacted Petition Supplement filed with the U.S. Attorney for submission to the Special Grand Jury can be found at the Lawyers’ Committee’s website: https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/ "

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Lawsuit to Force FBI Assessment of WTC Evidence:
Interview with Richard Gage, Dave Meiswinkle, and Mick Harrison
3/31/19
https://www.ae911truth.org/news/517-lawsuit-to-force-fbi-assessment-of-wtc-evidence

In today's email update: "On our most recent episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by the leaders of AE911Truth and the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry to discuss our lawsuit filed this week against the FBI, which takes aim at the Bureau’s failure to include certain key evidence in its congressionally mandated 9/11 Review Commission Report from 2015.

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Learn more:https://www.ae911truth.org/news/517-lawsuit-to-force-fbi-assessment-of-wtc-evidence

"On our most recent episode of 9/11 Free Fall, host Andy Steele is joined by the leaders of AE911Truth and the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry to discuss our lawsuit filed this week against the FBI, which takes aim at the Bureau’s failure to include certain key evidence in its congressionally mandated 9/11 Review Commission Report from 2015.

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

September 11th, 2001: Donald Trump says he believes bombs must have been planted inside the buildings. He lost a lot of friends that day, and carries grudges for a long, long time.

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He also seems to have a problem with the "deep state."

Don't forget that they tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan in 1981, just a few months after he took office. He wasn't right in his head in the years following that, and a prevalent rumor is that he was drugged by Bush and Co.

[RedX]

But, the one issue that almost everyone ignores is that the perpetrators are in charge. There cannot be any real investigation while the perpetrators are still in charge of the US government and military. That's why the most important thing that citizens could do would be to remove ALL of them from power, transform the electoral paradigm so that only ordinary citizens with no ties to the Elite can even run for office, and hold the first real elections in the USA. Holding an investigation where the perps control the courts is laughable.


Agreed. At the end of the day does it really matter what brought the buildings down? Or what flew into the Pentagon?

Arguing over whether it was a nuclear device, or thermite, or some secret energy weapon does not seem that constructive and is probably a very good means of distraction.

No, what is more important is identifying and collaring who was behind the attacks, and bringing those people to justice.

And no it was not CIA asset Bin Laden.

The United States Constitution, in Article 3, Section 3, says that it is treason for a citizen of the USA to engage in "levying war" against the United States. If U.S. citizens consciously participated in planning the attacks of 9/11 on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, this participation would clearly be treasonous. There is considerable prima facie evidence that named members of the U.S. Executive Branch - US President George W. Bush, US Vice President Richard B. Cheney, and US Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld—participated in this planning.

An investigation of these acts of prima facie Treason was not carried out by the 9/11 Commission.

The US Congress in its constitutional jurisdiction needs to authorise the appointment of an independent prosecutor to conduct a genuine investigation of this prima facie evidence of Treason under Article III(3) of the US Constitution, which I think could be summarised by the following six questions:

1. How could hijacked airliners have struck the WTC and the Pentagon?
2. Why did the Twin Towers and Building 7 of the WTC collapse?
3. Could the official account of the Pentagon possibly be true?
4. Why did the President and his secret service agents remain at the school?
5. Why did the 9/11 Commission lie about Vice President Cheney?
6. Did members of the Bush-Cheney Administration have reasons to desire the attacks of 9/11?

In Zbigniew Brzezinski’s 1997 book, The Grand Chessboard, he said that establishing military bases in Central Asia would be crucial for maintaining "American primacy," partly because of the huge oil reserves around the Caspian Sea.

But American democracy, he added, "is inimical to imperial mobilization."

Brzezinski, explaining that the public had "supported America’s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor," suggested that Americans today would support the needed military operations in Central Asia only "in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."

Not exactly the Caspian Sea, but East China Sea this time.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/455053-souch-china-sea-invade-us/

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follow the money !

https://www.wanttoknow.info/911/black_eagle_trust_fund

This info was new to me !