"Christianity is Jewish Pythagoreanism"... and more - Tim Freke

[Chester]

Just open the mind and consider...

https://soundcloud.com/tim-freke/early-christianity-and-gnosis-now

[risveglio]

Can you give a description? I consider myself a Christian but in a very Kevin Smith's Dogma way.


EDITED

Here is the description on the site, I guess you need to know who Tim is:

Tim's recent talk in the Netherlands about the Gnostic roots of modern Christianity and the relevance of Gnosticism today.

www.timfreke.com

[Chester]

One thing Tim discusses is that the heart of all mystery traditions is focused on "now."

"Fundamentally they are looking at this moment right now... and trying to see what it is."

"So when I look at this moment I see that what they are talking about is the nature of 'who we are.'"

"... the three elements of what we are - body, soul and spirit."

Dogma is one of my favorite movies by the way :Angel:

[Chester]

When I step back and look at what I understand to be the view of Scientology, for example, with regards to the "body, soul, spirit" theme, I have now come to see the thetan as 'the soul' and the body, as both the genetic entity and the individual's one life physical body. The thetan is the individuated spirit being. "Spirit" as I come to understand it is the impersonal awareness of it all which manifests also as the awareness of the individuated being. This fits within the idealist world view as well.

IMO Tim does well in describing these 'elements' of being from the viewpoint of the individuated being living a single lifetime.

I am just sharing my thoughts as they flow. I am not trying to tell anyone anything. I am only offering my thoughts so others who might wish to, may reflect on these things as well and perhaps share their own thoughts.

I call this 'exploring the science of being.'


Another quote from Tim Freke - "When we step back into spirit, there is one of us."

This is pretty much 'monistic idealism' - as I write about here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91743-One-s-Metaphysical-World-View&p=1080083&viewfull=1#post1080083).

[ghostrider]

For what it's worth, all human beings have free will to make up their own minds, and choose their own path... the ETs/the watchers have given information about christ, religion, and beliefs... Immanuel was a teacher of the laws and recommendations of creation just as the four prophets before him, Enoch, Isaiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, all with the same message that was corrupted by evil men to control other men... the are seven prophets mentored by the watchers from the seven sisters the pleadies/the plejaren... evil men changed Immanuels name and called him Jesus, creating Christianity and weaving a system of control into the teachings of spirit... it's why most religions share a common thread, they all stem from spirit teachings... its one of many reasons the ETs remain in the shadows, the truth about religions would shatter the paradigms of many well intentioned people...

[Chester]

Please let us (and moi) know in this thread know if you listened to all of Tim's talk... so we might discuss any parts of his talk (or the entire talk as a whole).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's funny you posted this Sam, because what I've been reading from Fomenko's work lately points to the same sort of thing. Christianity as it was evolving in the early 1000's was in many cases indistinguishable from Hermeticism and "Neo-Platonism," which ties into the other "mystery schools" like Pythagoreanism and old "pagan" ideas in general.

It wasn't until the Protestant Reformation in the 1500's-1600's that the Protestant break-aways began to get very severe in their interpretations of Christianity, and shunned anything that couldn't be found in the Bible itself. Though the Catholic Church is remembered for burning heretics, it seems to have been eaten up with lots of heresy within its own walls, so to speak. Well, heresy as we would think of it today. The Catholics had their own definition for "heresy" I guess, and it seems to have largely been whoever was on their bad side politically.