A German's View on Islam – worth reading.

[Althena]

'In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends'.
Martin Luther King


A German's View on Islam – worth reading.

Hard to argue with this:


This is one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read.


The author of this email is Dr Emanuel Tanya, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist. A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.




'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.' My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.


'We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is a religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.
'Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.


'The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.
'It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.
'The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.


'Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.


'China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.


'The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.


And who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery? Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving?


'History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt. Yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our Enemy if they don't speak up. Like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world will have begun.


'Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.


'Now Islamic prayers have been introduced in Toronto and other public schools in Ontario, and, yes, in Ottawa, too, while the Lord's Prayer was removed due to being so offensive? The Islamic way may be peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.


'In Australia, and indeed in many countries around the world, many of the most commonly consumed food items have the halal emblem on them. Just look at the back of some of the most popular chocolate bars, and at other food items in your local supermarket. Food on aircraft have the halal emblem just to appease the privileged minority who are now rapidly expanding within the nation's shores.


In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.


'As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts - the fanatics who threaten our way of life.'


Extend yourself a bit and send this on. Let us hope that thousands world-wide read this, think about it, and send it on before it's too late, and we are silenced because we were silent!!


:silent:

[Star Tsar]

In the U.K, the Muslim communities refuse to integrate and there are now dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon. Sharia law prevails there, because the Muslim community in those areas refuse to acknowledge British law.

Absolute Piffle!
LULZ one can ignore British Law all they like break it and it damn sure won't ignore you! (depending on how affluent you are)

[shaberon]

Sobering fact. Peace lovers were irrelevant and extraneous to almost anything that ever happened.

Makes one wonder if speaking out is even useful, which leads to an oxymoron of a "peaceful extremist". Big, powerful institutions don't really care if you talk about them; the only thing that matters is power to threaten them. Boycotts, strikes, and protests are marginally useful, and often just another way to get oppressed or shot. It's very tricky to figure out how to effectively act, much easier to remain in the silent camp.

[xion]

"much easier to remain in the silent camp"
that's sounds like a jew speaking back in Nazi Germany.
That is exactly what they did, being silent and lead to execution.

Now tell me, do you want to be a part of that statistic and die like a bug for nothing or speak at the top of your lungs and be heard or die trying if it comes to that?

[DeDukshyn]

Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

My neighbour tried to tell me that Sharia law is already taking over Canada and we've already lost the war to muslims ... uhmmm ... complete Bull****?? Sure there's been lots of muslims in Canada who try to take the law into their own hands and do "honour killings" and all that ****, but now they are all in jail serving their times, just like anyone else in Canada who breaks the law. There's no "sharia law" in Canada .. there's those who obey Canadian laws and those who do not -- it matters not what your religion is or skin colour. Yet some people like me neighbour see the world through "news" reports and youtube videos instead of getting out and walking around, talking to people of different ethnicities etc. and see the real world.

My point is I prefer to hear from the people on the ground who have real life experiences - and not from those trying to popularize their youtube to make more ad revenue channel either. Instead, like my neighbour, I find many people read what someone, said on some "news" outlet, or reading some propaganda being spread by the architechs for the NWO and WWIII. Or watching youtube for their "reality".

It was written well over a century ago, that the super "elite" controllers would create an environment where the west would fear the east and vice versa -- Muslims were to be feared by western civilians and the west was to be feared by Muslims and entice anger in the Muslims. Well, this plan of action to start WWIII and take over the world started in earnest during the bush administration with their baseless attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, then Libya and Syria and call it a "crusade". There was the creation of Muslim extremist groups by the CIA (al Qaeda and ISIS) in order to give them leverage in creating that environment of hate and fear.

These white "rulers" are winning this fight against the masses and using the fear and hatred between Muslims and other religions against each other to do it. It's pretty easy for them when well intentioned people do all their heavy lifting in spreading the fear and hatred, and thus creating a perpetual hate machine. This end goal will help justify the lead up to WWIII or a controlled NWO, and when it happens these controllers will say "We only did what your fears demanded from us as your leaders -- this is your creation.", and guess what, they'll be 100% correct.

[Star Tsar]

Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91817-A-German-s-View-on-Islam----worth-reading.&p=1080816&viewfull=1#post1080816

[DeDukshyn]

Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91817-A-German-s-View-on-Islam----worth-reading.&p=1080816&viewfull=1#post1080816

I assumed as much :) Thanks for the confirmation :)

[Flash]

The first language spoken in Montreal is French (40%), the second is Arab now. Not English , but Arab! It tells every thing you need to know. Arabs have an average of 4-5 children, English and French 1-2. In 25 years, Montreal will be Muslim. Probably same in Toronto, with Pakistani and Arabs together there.

I am not against anything, but I would very very very much like to keep our mentality in regard to freedom, and mostly freedom for women and for my daughter's future.

And you know that lots of "practicing pious" Muslim women, in Canada, receive monthly payment from Saudi Arabia to wear the hijab. Easy to be pious when you are paid for it (this info is coming from Muslim friends of mine, who want to keep the freedom they came in Canada for).

I have been told again and again and again, by non pious Arabs, that the aim of Muslims is djihad, as it is asked literally in the Koran. For this, it is allowed to lie to your enemy (us), to deceive, and to kill (written word for word in the Koran). It cannot be clearer.

The non pious Muslims themselves are afraid, because if they declare being non pious or rejecting the orders of the Koran, they are, as requested in the Koran, put on a death list. Getting out of Islam = death. How clearer can it be? And our publishers refuse to publish books explaining the Koran clearly, our governments refuse to take action to promote our own values while protection the Muslim ones.




Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

My neighbour tried to tell me that Sharia law is already taking over Canada and we've already lost the war to muslims ... uhmmm ... complete Bull****?? Sure there's been lots of muslims in Canada who try to take the law into their own hands and do "honour killings" and all that ****, but now they are all in jail serving their times, just like anyone else in Canada who breaks the law. There's no "sharia law" in Canada .. there's those who obey Canadian laws and those who do not -- it matters not what your religion is or skin colour. Yet some people like me neighbour see the world through "news" reports and youtube videos instead of getting out and walking around, talking to people of different ethnicities etc. and see the real world.

My point is I prefer to hear from the people on the ground who have real life experiences - and not from those trying to popularize their youtube to make more ad revenue channel either. Instead, like my neighbour, I find many people read what someone, said on some "news" outlet, or reading some propaganda being spread by the architechs for the NWO and WWIII. Or watching youtube for their "reality".

It was written well over a century ago, that the super "elite" controllers would create an environment where the west would fear the east and vice versa -- Muslims were to be feared by western civilians and the west was to be feared by Muslims and entice anger in the Muslims. Well, this plan of action to start WWIII and take over the world started in earnest during the bush administration with their baseless attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, then Libya and Syria and call it a "crusade". There was the creation of Muslim extremist groups by the CIA (al Qaeda and ISIS) in order to give them leverage in creating that environment of hate and fear.

These white "rulers" are winning this fight against the masses and using the fear and hatred between Muslims and other religions against each other to do it. It's pretty easy for them when well intentioned people do all their heavy lifting in spreading the fear and hatred, and thus creating a perpetual hate machine. This end goal will help justify the lead up to WWIII or a controlled NWO, and when it happens these controllers will say "We only did what your fears demanded from us as your leaders -- this is your creation.", and guess what, they'll be 100% correct.

[ozmirage]

FWIW - Snopes says the letter is misattributed.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/germanislam.asp

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Tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
Any people who tolerate predators will be consumed by them.
Feeding them with others is no guarantee they won’t turn on you when the time is ripe.

[Star Tsar]

The first spoken in Montreal is French, the second is Arab now. Not English , but Arab! It tells every thing you need to know. Arabs have an average of 4-5 children, English and French 1-2. In 25 years, Montreal will be Muslim. Probably same in Toronto, with Pakistani and Arabs together there.

I am not against anything, but I would very very very much like to keep our mentality in regard to freedom, and mostly freedom for women and for my daughter's future.

And you know that lots of "practicing pious" Muslim women, in Canada, receive monthly payment from Saoudi Arabia to wear the hijab. Easy to be pious when you are paid for it (this info is coming from Muslim friends of mine, who want to keep the freedom they came in Canada for).

You mean Arabic?
Sometimes cultural & external stimuli can make us think/believe/feel that we are separated when in truth we are ONE!

AOe4mkzBdCs

dkqxoz2tWQM

[Flash]

I agree with what you say, but fanatic Muslims don't.

Oh yes, I mean Arabic language, the second most spoken language in Montreal. This woul mean nothing (would be like Spanish in the US) if it were not for the fanatism accompanying the religious beliefs of many speaking the arabic language.

I am sorry Star Tsar, but comparing Arabic and Spanish for the common words in both languages is ridiculous. Of course, they both have a lot of common words, Spain has been under the Arab domination and rule for centuries. It has to have translated a bit into the language usage don't you think?

Now, French, Portuguese and Arabic: portuguese was also under Arab rule for a long time, but bits less than Spain, while it is the French who have given their french vocabulary to the Arab world, think of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, they were all French colonies.

And language IS NOT RELIGION! there is not fanatism in language as such, language not being a belief.

Fanatism is always based on beliefs systems, not languages.



The first spoken in Montreal is French, the second is Arab now. Not English , but Arab! It tells every thing you need to know. Arabs have an average of 4-5 children, English and French 1-2. In 25 years, Montreal will be Muslim. Probably same in Toronto, with Pakistani and Arabs together there.

I am not against anything, but I would very very very much like to keep our mentality in regard to freedom, and mostly freedom for women and for my daughter's future.

And you know that lots of "practicing pious" Muslim women, in Canada, receive monthly payment from Saoudi Arabia to wear the hijab. Easy to be pious when you are paid for it (this info is coming from Muslim friends of mine, who want to keep the freedom they came in Canada for).

You mean Arabic?
Sometimes cultural & external stimuli can make us think/believe/feel that we are separated when in truth we are ONE!

AOe4mkzBdCs

dkqxoz2tWQM

[DeDukshyn]

The first spoken in Montreal is French, the second is Arab now. Not English , but Arab! It tells every thing you need to know. Arabs have an average of 4-5 children, English and French 1-2. In 25 years, Montreal will be Muslim. Probably same in Toronto, with Pakistani and Arabs together there.

I am not against anything, but I would very very very much like to keep our mentality in regard to freedom, and mostly freedom for women and for my daughter's future.

And you know that lots of "practicing pious" Muslim women, in Canada, receive monthly payment from Saoudi Arabia to wear the hijab. Easy to be pious when you are paid for it (this info is coming from Muslim friends of mine, who want to keep the freedom they came in Canada for).




Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

My neighbour tried to tell me that Sharia law is already taking over Canada and we've already lost the war to muslims ... uhmmm ... complete Bull****?? Sure there's been lots of muslims in Canada who try to take the law into their own hands and do "honour killings" and all that ****, but now they are all in jail serving their times, just like anyone else in Canada who breaks the law. There's no "sharia law" in Canada .. there's those who obey Canadian laws and those who do not -- it matters not what your religion is or skin colour. Yet some people like me neighbour see the world through "news" reports and youtube videos instead of getting out and walking around, talking to people of different ethnicities etc. and see the real world.

My point is I prefer to hear from the people on the ground who have real life experiences - and not from those trying to popularize their youtube to make more ad revenue channel either. Instead, like my neighbour, I find many people read what someone, said on some "news" outlet, or reading some propaganda being spread by the architechs for the NWO and WWIII. Or watching youtube for their "reality".

It was written well over a century ago, that the super "elite" controllers would create an environment where the west would fear the east and vice versa -- Muslims were to be feared by western civilians and the west was to be feared by Muslims and entice anger in the Muslims. Well, this plan of action to start WWIII and take over the world started in earnest during the bush administration with their baseless attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, then Libya and Syria and call it a "crusade". There was the creation of Muslim extremist groups by the CIA (al Qaeda and ISIS) in order to give them leverage in creating that environment of hate and fear.

These white "rulers" are winning this fight against the masses and using the fear and hatred between Muslims and other religions against each other to do it. It's pretty easy for them when well intentioned people do all their heavy lifting in spreading the fear and hatred, and thus creating a perpetual hate machine. This end goal will help justify the lead up to WWIII or a controlled NWO, and when it happens these controllers will say "We only did what your fears demanded from us as your leaders -- this is your creation.", and guess what, they'll be 100% correct.

What is the muslim "problem" again? My mother-in-law was almost in tears once saying that it's just a travesty how in Canada Christmas has been taken from us by the "Muslims"! I laughed under my breath. I said "what do you mean?" to whaich she responded ... "We can no longer celebrate Christmas! The muslims came and now no one is allowed to even say the words or you'll offend someone!"

So I opened the door and shouted out into the streets "Merry Christmas all you muslims!!!" no one was offended. The next day I said Merry Christmas to all the muslims I could find. no one was offended. A couple ignored me, I got many "thank yous". Was anyone offended? I could give a rat's ass even if they were. Just like if someone wants to wish me happy Chinese new year, or happy Ramadan, or happy Hanukah, I would not be offended. Seems same with everyone else. My mother in law was living her life in fear of muslims and not enjoying Christmas. It is 100% her fault, but it's easier to feel "offended" and blame others than it is to wear an "adult" hat for some people ... too many people in my opinion.

Yes the holiday season in schools has been reduced to "happy holidays" at best, it's probably about time to separate religion from education anyway, or rather perhaps we should be teaching about all religions and their celebrations so as to rid the youth of the bigotry that some of our practices breed.

There is a flaw in the way Canada and Canadians receive some immigrants - obviously. I am upset that so many people who come to Canada never integrate into "Canada" because they don't speak our language (even though that is supposed to a requirement, I thought) and they don't ever get to know or lear our customs, but rather, since life is hard, they group towards what they know - other muslims. This creates segregation and herein problems begin. But it's not a "muslim" problem more than it is a "chinese" problem at this stage. If anything Canada should be spending more to properly integrate these people but on the other side you have conservative extremists screaming that they deserve non of our tax dollars, so little money is spent on ensuring they can speak fluent english or can intgrate properly, and now the problem is "liberals vs Conservatives" ...

But it's a lot easier for anyone to say "muslims are destroying the world" than it is to spend the time to pinpoint where the problems actually lie and try to address it.

Many studies have shown that the problematic "muslims" and "terrorists" have the same issues of any person who is deemed "troublemaker" regardless of race, religion or whatever, and that is they lived crappy lives, were probably abused, probably by their parents even, they feel the world has turned against them and feel they have nothing to lose and nothing to gain. You can take almost all "troublemakers" that are white and Christian ... exact same problems in upbringing, lead to the same type of life; it's just that since the West has literally attacked and more or less destroyed over 10 muslim countries in the last 20 years and called the process a "crusade", as a result there is far more muslims in this condition than any others ... once again this created "environment" leads straight back to the white super "elite" and their plans for NWO or WWIII then NWO. It behooves each of us to not assist them on their mission.



I love this :) Goes both ways ...

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[Flash]

Come on my friend, you just wrote it: it is about time to separate religion from education. You got it, it is about time to get rid of it, not to submit to the religious rules of a religion that was never in the picture. It is not about saying happy Hannuka or happy Christmas Dedukshyn, it is about not taking from granted that nobody will impose and I mean IMPOSE their religion on us. I have been told countless of time, like people from Marseille in France were told 25 years ago.

The problem with any belief system, be religions, zealous science, or whatever, is the fanaticism. Have you notice that fanaticism always end up winning? Fanaticism in science beliefs, fanaticism in capitalism beliefs, fanaticism in religions!

FAnatism and terrorism is the problem, not Mulsims and terrorism. However, it is the Koran itself that promotes this kind of fanaticism. Anyone who has studied just a bit of the Koran and its edicts have observed this. And yes, the Mulsims borthers that are not fanatics are the first one being terrorised and killed. This is why we have to all wake up.

The Arabs who are telling me how the Muslim fanatics think know, they know, they have seen their country destroyed by Muslim fanatics. They have seen the suffering imposed by Muslim fanatics. They know, and when they tell us how the more religious ones think, we should listen. They are telling us what are the plans, that the djihad is an obligation in the Koran (not a choice, but an obligation), that you are allowed by the Koranic law to lie, deceive and kill for the djihad and that any Muslim going against the Koranic law or disavowing Islam will be put to death (this is why many ordinary Muslim are afraid of the fanatics).

But hey, no, we won't listen to the moderate Arabs, we won't listen to their plea not to bend to the fanatic ones.

I have a Koran at home. And a Bible, and a Mormon book. I read them all, Did you?




The first spoken in Montreal is French, the second is Arab now. Not English , but Arab! It tells every thing you need to know. Arabs have an average of 4-5 children, English and French 1-2. In 25 years, Montreal will be Muslim. Probably same in Toronto, with Pakistani and Arabs together there.

I am not against anything, but I would very very very much like to keep our mentality in regard to freedom, and mostly freedom for women and for my daughter's future.

And you know that lots of "practicing pious" Muslim women, in Canada, receive monthly payment from Saoudi Arabia to wear the hijab. Easy to be pious when you are paid for it (this info is coming from Muslim friends of mine, who want to keep the freedom they came in Canada for).




Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

My neighbour tried to tell me that Sharia law is already taking over Canada and we've already lost the war to muslims ... uhmmm ... complete Bull****?? Sure there's been lots of muslims in Canada who try to take the law into their own hands and do "honour killings" and all that ****, but now they are all in jail serving their times, just like anyone else in Canada who breaks the law. There's no "sharia law" in Canada .. there's those who obey Canadian laws and those who do not -- it matters not what your religion is or skin colour. Yet some people like me neighbour see the world through "news" reports and youtube videos instead of getting out and walking around, talking to people of different ethnicities etc. and see the real world.

My point is I prefer to hear from the people on the ground who have real life experiences - and not from those trying to popularize their youtube to make more ad revenue channel either. Instead, like my neighbour, I find many people read what someone, said on some "news" outlet, or reading some propaganda being spread by the architechs for the NWO and WWIII. Or watching youtube for their "reality".

It was written well over a century ago, that the super "elite" controllers would create an environment where the west would fear the east and vice versa -- Muslims were to be feared by western civilians and the west was to be feared by Muslims and entice anger in the Muslims. Well, this plan of action to start WWIII and take over the world started in earnest during the bush administration with their baseless attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, then Libya and Syria and call it a "crusade". There was the creation of Muslim extremist groups by the CIA (al Qaeda and ISIS) in order to give them leverage in creating that environment of hate and fear.

These white "rulers" are winning this fight against the masses and using the fear and hatred between Muslims and other religions against each other to do it. It's pretty easy for them when well intentioned people do all their heavy lifting in spreading the fear and hatred, and thus creating a perpetual hate machine. This end goal will help justify the lead up to WWIII or a controlled NWO, and when it happens these controllers will say "We only did what your fears demanded from us as your leaders -- this is your creation.", and guess what, they'll be 100% correct.

What is the muslim "problem" again? My mother-in-law was almost in tears once saying that it's just a travesty how in Canada Christmas has been taken from us by the "Muslims"! I laughed under my breath. I said "what do you mean?" to whaich she responded ... "We can no longer celebrate Christmas! The muslims came and now no one is allowed to even say the words or you'll offend someone!"

So I opened the door and shouted out into the streets "Merry Christmas all you muslims!!!" no one was offended. The next day I said Merry Christmas to all the muslims I could find. no one was offended. A couple ignored me, I got many "thank yous". Was anyone offended? I could give a rat's ass even if they were. Just like if someone wants to wish me happy Chinese new year, or happy Ramadan, or happy Hanukah, I would be offended. Same. My mother in law was living her life in fear of muslims and not enjoying Christmas. It is 100% her fault, but it's easier to feel "offended" and blame others than it is to wear an "adult" hat for some people ... too many people in my opinion.

Yes the holiday season in schools has been reduced to "happy holidays" at best, it's probably about time to seperate religion from education anyway, or rather perhaps we should be l=teaching about all religions and their celebrations so as to rid the youth of the bigotry that some of our practices breed.

There is a flaw in the way Canada and Canadains receive some immigrants - obviously. I am upset that so many people who come to Canada never integrate into "Canada" because they don't speak our language (even though that is supposed to a requirement, I thought) and they don't ever get to know or lear our customs, but rather, since life is hard, they group towards what they know - other muslims. This creates segregation and herein problems begin. But it's not a "muslim" problem more than it is a "chinese" problem at this stage. If anything Canada should be spending more to properly integrate these people but on the other side you have conservative extremists screaming that they deserve non of our tax dollars, so little money is spent on ensuring they can speak fluent english or can intgrate properly, and now the problem is "liberals vs Conservatives" ...

But it's a lot easier for anyone to say "muslims are destroying the world" than it is to spend the time to pinpoint where the problems actually lie and try to address it.

Many studies have shown that the problematic "muslims" and "terrorists" have the same issues of any person regardless of race, religion or whatever, and that is they lived crappy lives, were probably abused, probably by their parents even, they feel the world has turned against them and feel they have nothing to lose. You can take almost all "troublemakers" that are white and Christian ... exact same problems in upbringing, lead to the same type of life; it's just that since the West has literally attacked and more or less destroyed over 10 muslim countries in the last 20 years and called the process a "crusade", there's more muslims in this condition than any others ... once again the created "environment" leads straight back to the white super "elite" and their plans for NWO or WWIII then NWO.

It behooves each of us to not assist them on their mission.

[Star Tsar]

Albert Pike has GIVEN us the plan for WW3 its up to US to ensure it fails...

[Sérénité]

Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

Yes I can vouch for it...in my experience of living in Oldham, Greater Manchester. I've posted a couple of items relating to this..one fairly recently too...sorry I cant link it as its in a private thread.

I can confirm there are most definitely certain no go areas for white non Muslims in a lot of areas. And a vast majority either refuse or aren't allowed to integrate.

I experienced living through the Race Riots of 2001 in Oldham. Nothing much has changed since then from what I hear from friends still living there. The divide is only getting wider and wider. Not just there but in many towns with high and expanding immigrant populations.

It pains me that we cant integrate and all get along. But as the OP states, the minority want divisions and conflicts and the majority are too scared to go against the grain or get themselves in trouble.

The fanatics of the NF and BNP in the UK do spark trouble where they can. But the numbers of those fanatics in comparison to Islam fanatics is just like a teardrop in the ocean...

I don't know the answer but I'm dreading the outcome...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwazKXdiMy0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhjy9TV4wuo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps

[Althena]

Question StarTsar. Why did you delete your posts??

[Star Tsar]

Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

Yes I can vouch for it...in my experience of living in Oldham, Greater Manchester. I've posted a couple of items relating to this..one fairly recently too...sorry I cant link it as its in a private thread.

I can confirm there are most definitely certain no go areas for white non Muslims in a lot of areas. And a vast majority either refuse or aren't allowed to integrate.

I experienced living through the Race Riots of 2001 in Oldham. Nothing much has changed since then from what I hear from friends still living there. The divide is only getting wider and wider. Not just there but in many towns with high and expanding immigrant populations.

It pains me that we cant integrate and all get along. But as the OP states, the minority want divisions and conflicts and the majority are too scared to go against the grain or get themselves in trouble.

The fanatics of the NF and BNP in the UK do spark trouble where they can. But the numbers of those fanatics in comparison to Islam fanatics is just like a teardrop in the ocean...

I don't know the answer but I'm dreading the outcome...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwazKXdiMy0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhjy9TV4wuo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgKMI1wV0ps

That one politically motivated incident more than 15 years ago does not constitute what OP asserts sorry.
If a particular group refuses to go to an area that is predominatly one demographic for no other reason other than it is that predominatly that one demographic how can the latter demographic be accused of non-assimilation?


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Question StarTsar. Why did you delete your posts??

I have not!
I am sure mods can vouch for that!
What do you believe I deleted?

[Althena]

Sorry but for a while 2 of them disappeared. Strange

[Star Tsar]

Well I do wish I could delete OP because its bunk as Ozmirage pointed out and I have wasted some of a nice evening and a bit of energy on it....

:thumbsdown:

[Sérénité]

"That one politically motivated incident more than 15 years ago does not constitute what OP asserts"

Sorry I don't have further video evidence of life in Oldham and such areas, I tend to avoid going there since I moved for mine and my children's welfare. It was asked on the post for 'anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment?'
I do and I have, from first hand experience both going back 15 years ago to present...such is life, sometimes you have to experience things to believe it...those who don't or have not cannot...

I'm not here to constitute or assert anything. Just speaking the truth from first hand accounts...as a person who moved 40+ miles away to avoid bringing children up in an area such as the OP describes...

Should you choose to watch the first video to the end, it clearly states the local politician saying little has changed in 15 years...even states it may take as long as 25 years to make things better...the majority of my friends wasn't willing to stick around that long to see was he right!

Update--- Whilst working in a local Council department, our team had both muslim and non muslim staff. The non muslim staff was not given any of the calls to certain areas, not because of racial/religious slandering, but for our safety. The areas of segregation are not by choice, but by necessity.

[DeDukshyn]

Sorry but for a while 2 of them disappeared. Strange

Post disappearing and reappearing for me as well ... I couldn't find serenite's post either, but I knew she responded because my PM said so ... weirdness ...

[Star Tsar]

"That one politically motivated incident more than 15 years ago does not constitute what OP asserts"

Sorry I don't have further video evidence of life in Oldham and such areas, I tend to avoid going there since I moved for mine and my children's welfare. It was asked on the post for 'anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment?'
I do and I have, from first hand experience both going back 15 years ago to present...such is life, sometimes you have to experience things to believe it...those who don't or have not cannot...

I'm not here to constitute or assert anything. Just speaking the truth from first hand accounts...as a person who moved 40+ miles away to avoid bringing children up in an area such as the OP describes...

Should you choose to watch the first video to the end, it clearly states the local politician saying little has changed in 15 years...even states it may take as long as 25 years to make things better...the majority of my friends wasn't willing to stick around that long to see was he right!

"dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon Sharia law prevails there,"

Just name one please...

[Sérénité]

Sorry but for a while 2 of them disappeared. Strange

Post disappearing and reappearing for me as well ... I couldn't find serenite's post either, but I knew she responded because my PM said so ... weirdness ...

Yes the same here too...some posts also showed blank at one point...

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"That one politically motivated incident more than 15 years ago does not constitute what OP asserts"

Sorry I don't have further video evidence of life in Oldham and such areas, I tend to avoid going there since I moved for mine and my children's welfare. It was asked on the post for 'anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment?'
I do and I have, from first hand experience both going back 15 years ago to present...such is life, sometimes you have to experience things to believe it...those who don't or have not cannot...

I'm not here to constitute or assert anything. Just speaking the truth from first hand accounts...as a person who moved 40+ miles away to avoid bringing children up in an area such as the OP describes...

Should you choose to watch the first video to the end, it clearly states the local politician saying little has changed in 15 years...even states it may take as long as 25 years to make things better...the majority of my friends wasn't willing to stick around that long to see was he right!

"dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon Sharia law prevails there,"

Just name one please...


Oldham...Glodwick area...its a no go for anyone who is white non muslim.

[Star Tsar]

Sorry but for a while 2 of them disappeared. Strange

Post disappearing and reappearing for me as well ... I couldn't find serenite's post either, but I knew she responded because my PM said so ... weirdness ...

Yes the same here too...some posts also showed blank at one point...

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"That one politically motivated incident more than 15 years ago does not constitute what OP asserts"

Sorry I don't have further video evidence of life in Oldham and such areas, I tend to avoid going there since I moved for mine and my children's welfare. It was asked on the post for 'anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment?'
I do and I have, from first hand experience both going back 15 years ago to present...such is life, sometimes you have to experience things to believe it...those who don't or have not cannot...

I'm not here to constitute or assert anything. Just speaking the truth from first hand accounts...as a person who moved 40+ miles away to avoid bringing children up in an area such as the OP describes...

Should you choose to watch the first video to the end, it clearly states the local politician saying little has changed in 15 years...even states it may take as long as 25 years to make things better...the majority of my friends wasn't willing to stick around that long to see was he right!

"dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon Sharia law prevails there,"

Just name one please...


Oldham...Glodwick area...its a no go for anyone who is white non muslim.

I give up! :confused: & :facepalm:

[Sérénité]

Why do you give up Star Tsar? :sherlock: :sun:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/archive/politics/oldham1.shtml

Article dated 3rd October 2014

An investigation for Today has found disturbing evidence that Asian youths in parts of Oldham are trying to create no go areas for white people.

Last year the police investigated record levels of racist attacks in Oldham.Of the 572 cases, 60% turned out to be white victims.
Pakistanis make up the majority on the Glodwick estate just west of the town centre. Some youths speak the language of racial hatred. It's not clear whether this is bravado but their message is blunt... white people keep out.

Many openly admit to carrying out what they see as revenge attacks on white people as part of a tit-for-tat campaign.

One told us: "There are signs all around saying whites enter at your risk. It's a matter of revenge. It's about giving as good as you can take."

Another had a six-inch scar running across his head. He said he had been attacked by a white gang.

"I got slashed by some whites so that I'm totally racist. I don't like whites. It's like this now, we go to a white area and we get done over. It's like them coming here they get done over...it's for your own good."

This hardening in attitude is repeated across the town and has passed down to children as young as 10. Unlike their parents they will not tolerate being victims of racism.

Local white people are scared and many want to leave the estates but cannot.

"I was just walking with my dog around 10 at night and a group of Asian youths in their car, music blaring,threatening me like saying they'd kick me head in calling me white bastard, white scum. You're frightened," one person told me.

[Star Tsar]

Because you only read the words you want to see!
I will ask again so I know i am not cray cray!

"dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon Sharia law prevails there,"

Just name one please...

[Althena]

Don't bother Serenite, Tsar does not want to see reality, the blindness is strong in this one. Sadly, she's not the only one around.

[Sérénité]

Because you only read the words you want to see!
I will ask again so I know i am not cray cray!

"dozens of "no-go" zones within major cities across the country that the police force dare not intrude upon Sharia law prevails there,"

Just name one please...

I know its late here...7 past midnight to be precise...but I'm not understanding what you mean?

You asked for 'just one' to be named...where police dare not enter and sharia law prevails...so I said Glodwick in Oldham (which is in Manchester...a major city in the north of the UK).
What bit did I miss? Im happy to state exact postcodes and road names...but thats perhaps a tad extreme...Please explain and I will go deeper if required :)

[Hervé]

Propaganda caveat... what happened to the "bible" similarly happened to the Quran...

Check this article at The Saker's site to get a less muddied view of the propaganda wars: After the Prophet (http://thesaker.is/after-the-prophet/)

There is no other way to get out of the current nightmare than with an education in true history...

I have posted somewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89230-When-Vested-Interests-Take-Education-over...) in this forum about the most widely available English version of the Quran being financed and published via Saudi Arabia and their Wahhabi version/interpretation of it...

[Flash]

This makes sense, a false Bible version created by the church (mostly the new testament) and a false Koran version created by the Wahhabi.


Propaganda caveat... what happened to the "bible" similarly happened to the Quran...

Check this article at The Saker's site to get a less muddied view of the propaganda wars: After the Prophet (http://thesaker.is/after-the-prophet/)

There is no other way to get out of the current nightmare than with an education in true history...

I have posted somewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89230-When-Vested-Interests-Take-Education-over...) in this forum about the most widely available English version of the Quran being financed and published via Saudi Arabia and their Wahhabi version/interpretation of it...

[Star Tsar]

What's this? An Arrest? In Goldwick Oldham? Nooooooooooooo its Sharia Law here! :facepalm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875809/Three-arrested-footage-bare-knuckle-fight-appears-YouTube.html

http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/1627036.drug_dealers_jailed_in_oldham/
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875809/Three-arrested-footage-bare-knuckle-fight-appears-YouTube.html)

[Sérénité]

What's this? An Arrest? In Goldwick Oldham? Nooooooooooooo its Sharia Law here! :facepalm:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875809/Three-arrested-footage-bare-knuckle-fight-appears-YouTube.html
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2875809/Three-arrested-footage-bare-knuckle-fight-appears-YouTube.html)

*Glodwick

Plenty of room here for you to come stay if you're local Star Tsar? We could have a drive up there so you can see it first hand for yourself...

I'm guessing your not local though, or you would know all about the ongoing plight there already. The bare knuckle fighting is a mere side show in comparison ;)

[Althena]

“London’s not an English city any more”
John Cleese

Dao89RedIco

http://i.imgur.com/rruzpWp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/STxHXse.jpg
Gov. Bobby Jindal was bashed for saying the same thing awhile ago.

[Star Tsar]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91817-A-German-s-View-on-Islam----worth-reading.&p=1080842&viewfull=1#post1080842

[Sérénité]

Albert Pike has GIVEN us the plan for WW3 its up to US to ensure it fails...

I understand this bit ;) And its something we both agree on...let's hope we all can :grouphug:

[DeDukshyn]

“London’s not an English city any more”
John Cleese

http://i.imgur.com/rruzpWp.jpg

So in the UK .. .the government, police, military, lawmakers decided that if they see stickers put up by muslims warning of "lawless" zones ... they just let it happen. If true, tell me this isn't someone in the "higher ups" plan to start Muslim vs non-Muslim, tension and hate between the group ... the alternative of why the government allows this to happen is that they (both those I named and the slaves that serve them - people of the UK) are the most useless incompetent pile of twits the world has ever seen. If so, maybe the muslims could do a better job, lol.

The bigger and REAL question is why the higher ups in the UK government would even allow such things (if true as a photo or a youtube video can provide), and we get back straight to my initial post on this thread. Know your true enemies and how they work to control one's emotions and the subsequent actions, is the best defense.

But the "rulers" have counted on us all to fulfill their sick fantasy where fear of one anothers' religions and ethnicity is prevalent enough to create their "order out of Chaos". I for one will not partake. :) But hey, that is just me. :)

[Agape]

“London’s not an English city any more”
John Cleese

http://i.imgur.com/rruzpWp.jpg



What about : ''No killing Zone'' Eh. Principally . It's all religions first commandment .




:flower:

[shaberon]

"much easier to remain in the silent camp"
that's sounds like a jew speaking back in Nazi Germany.
That is exactly what they did, being silent and lead to execution.

Now tell me, do you want to be a part of that statistic and die like a bug for nothing or speak at the top of your lungs and be heard or die trying if it comes to that?

Oh, my personal feelings towards religion are unprintable. I spend most of the time trying to talk myself out of extremism of an opposite kind. I can understand why people do extremely violent things.

In that this letter may not be real, it sounds like a retake on a German's view of the the Nazis, not a Jewish one. Many Jews did try do do something about it, and those are the ones who got in trouble.

[delfine]

Here´s a view from Dewsbury, England. Can´t tell if it´s a no go zone, but for sure the muslims leave their mark on the traffic:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvoV8UcDrDE

[delfine]

The first spoken in Montreal is French, the second is Arab now. Not English , but Arab! It tells every thing you need to know. Arabs have an average of 4-5 children, English and French 1-2. In 25 years, Montreal will be Muslim. Probably same in Toronto, with Pakistani and Arabs together there.

I am not against anything, but I would very very very much like to keep our mentality in regard to freedom, and mostly freedom for women and for my daughter's future.

And you know that lots of "practicing pious" Muslim women, in Canada, receive monthly payment from Saoudi Arabia to wear the hijab. Easy to be pious when you are paid for it (this info is coming from Muslim friends of mine, who want to keep the freedom they came in Canada for).




Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

My neighbour tried to tell me that Sharia law is already taking over Canada and we've already lost the war to muslims ... uhmmm ... complete Bull****?? Sure there's been lots of muslims in Canada who try to take the law into their own hands and do "honour killings" and all that ****, but now they are all in jail serving their times, just like anyone else in Canada who breaks the law. There's no "sharia law" in Canada .. there's those who obey Canadian laws and those who do not -- it matters not what your religion is or skin colour. Yet some people like me neighbour see the world through "news" reports and youtube videos instead of getting out and walking around, talking to people of different ethnicities etc. and see the real world.

My point is I prefer to hear from the people on the ground who have real life experiences - and not from those trying to popularize their youtube to make more ad revenue channel either. Instead, like my neighbour, I find many people read what someone, said on some "news" outlet, or reading some propaganda being spread by the architechs for the NWO and WWIII. Or watching youtube for their "reality".

It was written well over a century ago, that the super "elite" controllers would create an environment where the west would fear the east and vice versa -- Muslims were to be feared by western civilians and the west was to be feared by Muslims and entice anger in the Muslims. Well, this plan of action to start WWIII and take over the world started in earnest during the bush administration with their baseless attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, then Libya and Syria and call it a "crusade". There was the creation of Muslim extremist groups by the CIA (al Qaeda and ISIS) in order to give them leverage in creating that environment of hate and fear.

These white "rulers" are winning this fight against the masses and using the fear and hatred between Muslims and other religions against each other to do it. It's pretty easy for them when well intentioned people do all their heavy lifting in spreading the fear and hatred, and thus creating a perpetual hate machine. This end goal will help justify the lead up to WWIII or a controlled NWO, and when it happens these controllers will say "We only did what your fears demanded from us as your leaders -- this is your creation.", and guess what, they'll be 100% correct.

What is the muslim "problem" again? My mother-in-law was almost in tears once saying that it's just a travesty how in Canada Christmas has been taken from us by the "Muslims"! I laughed under my breath. I said "what do you mean?" to whaich she responded ... "We can no longer celebrate Christmas! The muslims came and now no one is allowed to even say the words or you'll offend someone!"

So I opened the door and shouted out into the streets "Merry Christmas all you muslims!!!" no one was offended. The next day I said Merry Christmas to all the muslims I could find. no one was offended. A couple ignored me, I got many "thank yous". Was anyone offended? I could give a rat's ass even if they were. Just like if someone wants to wish me happy Chinese new year, or happy Ramadan, or happy Hanukah, I would not be offended. Seems same with everyone else. My mother in law was living her life in fear of muslims and not enjoying Christmas. It is 100% her fault, but it's easier to feel "offended" and blame others than it is to wear an "adult" hat for some people ... too many people in my opinion.

Yes the holiday season in schools has been reduced to "happy holidays" at best, it's probably about time to separate religion from education anyway, or rather perhaps we should be teaching about all religions and their celebrations so as to rid the youth of the bigotry that some of our practices breed.

There is a flaw in the way Canada and Canadians receive some immigrants - obviously. I am upset that so many people who come to Canada never integrate into "Canada" because they don't speak our language (even though that is supposed to a requirement, I thought) and they don't ever get to know or lear our customs, but rather, since life is hard, they group towards what they know - other muslims. This creates segregation and herein problems begin. But it's not a "muslim" problem more than it is a "chinese" problem at this stage. If anything Canada should be spending more to properly integrate these people but on the other side you have conservative extremists screaming that they deserve non of our tax dollars, so little money is spent on ensuring they can speak fluent english or can intgrate properly, and now the problem is "liberals vs Conservatives" ...

But it's a lot easier for anyone to say "muslims are destroying the world" than it is to spend the time to pinpoint where the problems actually lie and try to address it.

Many studies have shown that the problematic "muslims" and "terrorists" have the same issues of any person regardless of race, religion or whatever, and that is they lived crappy lives, were probably abused, probably by their parents even, they feel the world has turned against them and feel they have nothing to lose. You can take almost all "troublemakers" that are white and Christian ... exact same problems in upbringing, lead to the same type of life; it's just that since the West has literally attacked and more or less destroyed over 10 muslim countries in the last 20 years and called the process a "crusade", there's more muslims in this condition than any others ... once again the created "environment" leads straight back to the white super "elite" and their plans for NWO or WWIII then NWO. It behooves each of us to not assist them on their mission.



I love this :)

ceS_jkKjIgo

For instance things like this:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/387428/1400-english-girls-raped-multiculturalism-dennis-prager

[Baby Steps]

Isn't there anyone actually who lives in the UK who can comment? I keep seeing all these posts about how the Muslims now run the UK inside and out, murders, thefts, assaults and rapes on every street corner by Muslims towards whites ... yet no one actually in the UK writes this stuff it seems.

My neighbour tried to tell me that Sharia law is already taking over Canada and we've already lost the war to muslims ... uhmmm ... complete Bull****?? Sure there's been lots of muslims in Canada who try to take the law into their own hands and do "honour killings" and all that ****, but now they are all in jail serving their times, just like anyone else in Canada who breaks the law. There's no "sharia law" in Canada .. there's those who obey Canadian laws and those who do not -- it matters not what your religion is or skin colour. Yet some people like me neighbour see the world through "news" reports and youtube videos instead of getting out and walking around, talking to people of different ethnicities etc. and see the real world.

My point is I prefer to hear from the people on the ground who have real life experiences - and not from those trying to popularize their youtube to make more ad revenue channel either. Instead, like my neighbour, I find many people read what someone, said on some "news" outlet, or reading some propaganda being spread by the architechs for the NWO and WWIII. Or watching youtube for their "reality".

It was written well over a century ago, that the super "elite" controllers would create an environment where the west would fear the east and vice versa -- Muslims were to be feared by western civilians and the west was to be feared by Muslims and entice anger in the Muslims. Well, this plan of action to start WWIII and take over the world started in earnest during the bush administration with their baseless attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, then Libya and Syria and call it a "crusade". There was the creation of Muslim extremist groups by the CIA (al Qaeda and ISIS) in order to give them leverage in creating that environment of hate and fear.

These white "rulers" are winning this fight against the masses and using the fear and hatred between Muslims and other religions against each other to do it. It's pretty easy for them when well intentioned people do all their heavy lifting in spreading the fear and hatred, and thus creating a perpetual hate machine. This end goal will help justify the lead up to WWIII or a controlled NWO, and when it happens these controllers will say "We only did what your fears demanded from us as your leaders -- this is your creation.", and guess what, they'll be 100% correct.

We are in danger of hyping the fringe actors. We should instead recognise them as fringe actors. What is happening in the middle majority ground is encouraging. for example london's mayor Saddiq Khan is rumoured to be Atheist. He declares loyalty to Islam, but is a leading light in a political party that embraces gay marriage, religious freedom etc. So the fringe actors would say 'you ain't no Muslim, bruv'. Nobody has, that I have heard. People are getting along.

There are Sharia courts in some communities but these are not recognised in Law, and the law is accepted in those communities. Slightly concerning is the child exploitation that was going on, with Police & Social services very slow to react due to fear of political correctness & racial friction. Hopefully these incidents are in the past!


It's worth remembering that all over the middle east, Islam is morphing into the kind of belief system that 'Christians' could relate to-just good people who befriend each other and deal with life in a pragmatic and moral way-almost all my UK Moslem friends generally fit fully into the Western Liberal paradigm and would be as unlikely to discuss the details of their credo as would two Christians sit down and discuss whether that wine REALLY changes into blood as it goes down your throat!

Some confide that they go through the motions of observance without believing it at all, but most-particularly the Mediterranean people are very European in their outlook, and it's just not an issue.

TPTB obviously wish to associate ISLAM with violent Jihad in peoples mind- to feed fear and prejudice, which is a feedback loop into radicalisation and terror.

Of course there are radicalised people. In Europe the source of this is the social conditions that people find themselves in- lack of jobs and racial prejudice. Another reason is that the European colonial powers have sourced their Moslem immigrants from among the least educated and privileged in the old colonies, and there one finds the Jihadi mind set.

So to reduce the problem at home one needs to build a pluralistic, tolerant and prosperous society. Foreign policy should be geared towards promoting prosperity,education, and stability in the Moslem world. Radical Islam is DYING, and it gets shriller as death approaches, if we stabilised the middle east and stopped attacking it, we would hasten this.

People need to accept some Jihadi terror, but learn not to demonise the mass of Moslems or the Religion itself. Have faith in ordinary people! So many from all back grounds are rejecting literalism with respect to ancient texts!

[Kirsten]

There have been a bunch of myths and lies spread about the National Socialists after the war. The term for this anti-German spreading of hatred was 'atrocity propaganda'. German soldiers throwing babies into fire pits and things like that - all lies. We have been lied to about much of history. Dennis Wise did a good job with his documentary 'The Greatest Story Never Told'. Very enlightening on what really happened. As much as people are unwilling or unable to view history from a revisionist point of view, they will be fooled today as to who the real enemy is. Muslims, Blacks, Whites... we are all pawns on a chess board to those who rule. Until we wake up one day.

[DeDukshyn]

FWIW - Snopes says the letter is misattributed.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/germanislam.asp

= = = = =
Tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
Any people who tolerate predators will be consumed by them.
Feeding them with others is no guarantee they won’t turn on you when the time is ripe.


Just to follow up on this probably important post from Ozmirage ...

According to Snopes the original writer of the OP piece is a Canadian, and the snippet has been published in other works. Someone took that from it's context and falsely claimed that German holocaust survivor and psychiatrist Emmanuel Tannay. I imagine that this was done to attempt to give it stronger credibility? Tie it to a holocaust survivor? A psychiatrist? ... it must be valid then ... :) My point is that someone had to have removed it from it's original content, change the author, the title, and spread it around the 'net for some specific reason they have, and encouraged everyone to spread as far and wide as possible ...

The link that Delphine posted on this post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91817-A-German-s-View-on-Islam----worth-reading.&p=1080959&viewfull=1#post1080959 is an article written by an American in an American publication that is unabashed about it's strong bias towards supporting very conservative (Republican) views. All American political propaganda, if you ask me ... just a coincidence that America is soon to vote, potentially for Trump, who is a Republican, and is trying his best to rally anti-muslim sentiment to his cause ??? Not a coincidence ... We all are being duped into creating false realities for the "controllers" -- there is little doubt. Let's really try not to get caught up in it.

[Violet]

We have some ghettos. I live in one of them. Both of my direct neighbours are white. The rest of the neighbourhood is mostly Romanian gypsies, Afghanis, Pakistanis, African, couple of other autochtonous Belgian families further up. The dominant religion in this neighbourhood is islam. Personally, I live like I want to live and I do what I want to do, then again, I'm a simple girl. There's less simple girls going all Kardashian, they come here too. Far as I can see they're doing fine. We have an old Belgian lady who, when the sun is all summery, takes out a blanket and lies on the pavement all afternoon beach style tanning.
We all live here, deal with it, live with it.
Which doesn't mean stuff doesn't happen here. It does, we have a problem with drug addicts.

And choppers flying over the garden day and night...Now that's annoying.

[Flash]

Ouf, deleted by me, I thought it was not entirely right what i had written

[boutreality]

The Math:

At the end of WWII it was discovered that Nazi's, as an organized movement, were pursuing the militarization of Islam for the purposes of fostering a religion-based "Holy War" as a destabilizing agent to play a role toward their accomplishing their end goal- a world empire.

A large number of Nazi party liners went to US (project Paperclip) and another sizable group of them went to Russia as it became the USSR; the cold war ensued.

'Germany surrendered; the Nazi Party Never Did.' -To paraphrase works of Jim Marrs; Peter Levenda; Joseph Farrell

It is fairly widely known that Werner Von Braun -"former" Nazi Scientist and a father of US rocketry (his actual loyalties are beside the point) said, "First it will be the communists; then it will be terrorists; then it will be aliens and it will all be stages of "their" plan" (referencing Nazi's/Elite Eugenicists)

No matter how you place the opener to this thread it supports the "Be afraid of a militarized Islamic front" -fitting this "stage" in a Nazi originated plan.

[Billy Vasiliadis]

I am so torn on this issue. I can't help but notice that many of the terror attacks that we see in our modern world are being perpetrated primarily by young Muslim men. This, coupled with disagreeable social and political conditions that I see in a number of Muslim majority nations, like women’s rights and the treatment of homosexual people, has me raising questions. How often I have to restrain myself from falling into prejudicial and narrow minded thinking, although sometimes I am not so successful (as maybe this post shows).

Am I being brainwashed by a media whose objective it is to frame things in such a way and to basically lie so as to cause division amongst people? Is it all a big con job, an illusion? Perhaps so, although I am also questioning of that perspective to. The questions that I often ask are why are we seeing what we are seeing and how can we minimise it? Is it religious, social, because of grievances, conspiratorial, or is it a mix of all these factors? The answer is definitely a nuanced one and not something that can be neatly summarised in a sentence or two.

At this point in my understanding, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think that Islam has no role whatsoever in what we are seeing play out, but I'm open to other perspectives.

[Baby Steps]

The core idea as I understand it is that in history you will find numerous examples of peace loving societies that sank into darkness and slaughter because of mass complacency and self denial in the face of minorities seizing power who were not peace loving.

The modern occurrence of this being the huge peaceful masses of Islam who say nothing in the face of ever more brutal terrorism from within their midst. Will the peaceful masses stand up, refute and resist this , in order to save us from a cyle downwards into fresh mass slaughter.

First thing to note is that being able to be manipulated into these disasters is a sign of a kind of mental slavery, if we the peaceful majority are so weak, we deserve these periodic spasms of horror, until we learn better. We need to become more effective at resisting the forces of chaos in ALL our societies.

But looking at the Islamic terror issue, I do not see it in the same context as the other slaughters mentioned.

We in the west are suffering from a very dark and insidious mind control on this issue, a sure sign that TPTB are up to no good. We need to find the box, & start thinking out of it. Looking at the large, diverse Moslem world, we are not looking at a society teetering on the brink of falling victim to the advocates of violence or fascism, because the masses are complacent.

I am just listening to George Syrett on C2C with Sebastian Gorka, and I am very disappointed to hear this ever more prevalent false narrative about Islam. They are saying that we in the West are now inevitably locked in a life or death struggle with a Jihadist Ideology, it is an existential struggle, will lead to war of some kind, is unavoidable, etc. This kind of talk is very dangerous, misleading and fits in with the mind control program that is being run!

The truth as I see it is very different, and to avoid more bloodshed we need to drop this false narrative.

Firstly who are the victims in all this?
There can be no doubt, and history is clear. The middle east region has been subjected to horrendous colonial and resource driven exploitation, killing, manipulated wars, atrocities, etc. we in the West are wholly responsible for teaching these people that 'Might is right' and concepts of justice carry no weight, unless you are armed.Examples too many to quote.

Compared to this on-going holocaust, a few isolated terror attacks are insignificant.

The issue for Islamic people is NOT whether they can challenge a nascent fascism is their midst.

People in the West do not grasp the concept of 'Umma'. Christianity teaches that sometimes, violent resistance is just, but in Islam this is extended-if any Moslem is subjected to unjust attack, any other Moslem is authorised to defend them violently.

This concept in itself is not 'wrong' or 'right'. it is what it is.
Right now, the question for Islam is CAN WE LIVE WITH THIS WESTERN VIOLENCE AND INJUSTICE OR IS THERE ONLY ONE WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE SAVAGES-VIOLENT DEFENCE - IS THE WEST LIKE A MAD DOG, SLAUGHTER BEING THE ONLY OPTION?

The concept of Jihad or Striving, is not in itself violent. But the idea that peoples only option to defend their Umma is to make violent Jihad against the West is GROWING in the minds of Moslems.

The Western dominated economic system is one of economic war as well as physical war. Both are being waged against various Moslem groups.So far the conclusion that exterminating the west (including dying in the process) is out on the fringes of Islamic thought. What we in the West do will determine where it progresses.

So for me, the empowering way to break out of the mind control is to grasp that we hold the opportunity in our hands to keep this conclusion OUT of the Islamic mainstream, by examining all the war, injustice and killing that WE do, and by trying to improve our behaviour. by doing this we will keep those Jihadi ideals OUT of the mainstream, because people will say - ' We CAN live with the West'.

If we do not raise our game pretty quickly, we can expect worsening terror & violence. at some point if the Religious leaders tell the masses that violent jihad is required, that will be the end of us.

[Flash]

Your analysis of the western behavior in and towards the Middle East is most probably quite right, I think your analysis of the Muslim reactions is wrong and lack historical backing.

Since and even during the birth of Islam, the conquest through war and blood shed has been a hallmark of Islam conquest - because it is a religion of conquest. When the crusaders went into the Middle East, they went to defent the Christians in North Africa and Spain, Portugal and some part of Southern France were already dominated by Islamic groups.

Islam is a religion of war. The jihad IS A DUTY OF ALL BELIEVERS. If you stop believing in Mohamed as a prophet and Islam as the only religion, the Quran itself tells that you have to be put to death - therefore the fright of peaceful Muslim to go against the fanatics.

And when you have to conquer the enemy, you do not use only war, but also lies, deceit, Tojan horse invasion, capture of women to make Muslim children, all of this is allowed.

As long as we will think that Muslim religion is like the Christian one in today's world, we will be misled and we will not defend ourselves properly. Tolerance is a fine and worthwhile objective but Islam at the present time looks more like the Inquisition period of the Christians/catholics - converting through force and death.

And it is what is being promoted in most Islam schools paid for and propagated by the Wahabi sect of Saoudi Arabia. Radicalisation is the norm in these schools.

Otherwise, it is a more calm and peaceful Islam that is lived by most Muslims in the world. But, they do not have the higher hand right now.

That we, westerners, create wars in the Middle East or not makes no difference. Islam will remain the way it is, with Jihad being a duty of every believer.

this is my opinion of course.



The core idea as I understand it is that in history you will find numerous examples of peace loving societies that sank into darkness and slaughter because of mass complacency and self denial in the face of minorities seizing power who were not peace loving.

The modern occurrence of this being the huge peaceful masses of Islam who say nothing in the face of ever more brutal terrorism from within their midst. Will the peaceful masses stand up, refute and resist this , in order to save us from a cyle downwards into fresh mass slaughter.

First thing to note is that being able to be manipulated into these disasters is a sign of a kind of mental slavery, if we the peaceful majority are so weak, we deserve these periodic spasms of horror, until we learn better. We need to become more effective at resisting the forces of chaos in ALL our societies.

But looking at the Islamic terror issue, I do not see it in the same context as the other slaughters mentioned.

We in the west are suffering from a very dark and insidious mind control on this issue, a sure sign that TPTB are up to no good. We need to find the box, & start thinking out of it. Looking at the large, diverse Moslem world, we are not looking at a society teetering on the brink of falling victim to the advocates of violence or fascism, because the masses are complacent.

I am just listening to George Syrett on C2C with Sebastian Gorka, and I am very disappointed to hear this ever more prevalent false narrative about Islam. They are saying that we in the West are now inevitably locked in a life or death struggle with a Jihadist Ideology, it is an existential struggle, will lead to war of some kind, is unavoidable, etc. This kind of talk is very dangerous, misleading and fits in with the mind control program that is being run!

The truth as I see it is very different, and to avoid more bloodshed we need to drop this false narrative.

Firstly who are the victims in all this?
There can be no doubt, and history is clear. The middle east region has been subjected to horrendous colonial and resource driven exploitation, killing, manipulated wars, atrocities, etc. we in the West are wholly responsible for teaching these people that 'Might is right' and concepts of justice carry no weight, unless you are armed.Examples too many to quote.

Compared to this on-going holocaust, a few isolated terror attacks are insignificant.

The issue for Islamic people is NOT whether they can challenge a nascent fascism is their midst.

People in the West do not grasp the concept of 'Umma'. Christianity teaches that sometimes, violent resistance is just, but in Islam this is extended-if any Moslem is subjected to unjust attack, any other Moslem is authorised to defend them violently.

This concept in itself is not 'wrong' or 'right'. it is what it is.
Right now, the question for Islam is CAN WE LIVE WITH THIS WESTERN VIOLENCE AND INJUSTICE OR IS THERE ONLY ONE WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE SAVAGES-VIOLENT DEFENCE - IS THE WEST LIKE A MAD DOG, SLAUGHTER BEING THE ONLY OPTION?

The concept of Jihad or Striving, is not in itself violent. But the idea that peoples only option to defend their Umma is to make violent Jihad against the West is GROWING in the minds of Moslems.

The Western dominated economic system is one of economic war as well as physical war. Both are being waged against various Moslem groups.So far the conclusion that exterminating the west (including dying in the process) is out on the fringes of Islamic thought. What we in the West do will determine where it progresses.

So for me, the empowering way to break out of the mind control is to grasp that we hold the opportunity in our hands to keep this conclusion OUT of the Islamic mainstream, by examining all the war, injustice and killing that WE do, and by trying to improve our behaviour. by doing this we will keep those Jihadi ideals OUT of the mainstream, because people will say - ' We CAN live with the West'.

If we do not raise our game pretty quickly, we can expect worsening terror & violence. at some point if the Religious leaders tell the masses that violent jihad is required, that will be the end of us.

[Baby Steps]

Hey Flash.




You make a good case, and I'm not SURE you are wrong, I just hope (as you probably do) that you are wrong. I think there are strands within Islam that fit your description, and if so, we need to discourage them. Like in international relations there are factions in a country, that are strengthened or weakened according to what we do.

For example, in the case of Iran, right or wrong, a dove style approach or move empowers dove style leaders. Look at Russia, until the West started making trouble, Putin was being challenged by liberal democrats within Russia. Once the trouble (from the West) started, Putin knew he was safe. Our bad actions strengthen the strands of thought within Islam that you describe. And sadly, if we change, it will be a long hard road before Islam changes.


it is a religion of conquest

Perhaps it was at one time, but who wasn't? Awful conquest has been done by all kinds of Nations. The word 'Evangelism' relates to bringing Christianity to 'unbelievers', Western Imperialism was built on a view that we would be helping people by imposing our values. Remember one of the key Quranic tenets: ' There should be no coercion in Religion'


When the crusaders went into the Middle East, they went to defend the Christians in North Africa and Spain, Portugal and some part of Southern France were already dominated by Islamic groups.

I would characterise the Crusades as - Papal European power- fearing strong expansionist Islamic Empire, invents a nonsense narrative about 'returning the city of Jesus to Christian control' in order to provoke huge wars for territory, and to protect their own power & income. I am unsure if there was much issue made of persecution of Christians living in Moslem areas, there was not much of this going on, and if there was, I am not aware of much Crusade propaganda about rescuing Christians.


Islam is a religion of war. The jihad IS A DUTY OF ALL BELIEVERS

In 2002 Mahathir Ben Mohamed (Prime Minister of Malaysia) stated:


Clearly Islam the religion is not the cause of terrorism. Islam, as I said, is a religion of peace. However through the centuries, deviations from the true teachings of Islam take place. And so [people who call themselves] "Muslims" kill despite the injunction of their religion against killing especially of innocent people

Firstly, Jihad does not mean violence, it means 'Striving', so it could be , for example, a detox or going to anger management therapy! however it could be violent. But for a religious leader to declare a violent Jihad, a 'just defence' argument would have to be used. Because of Western aggression, 'just defence' is becoming sadly a tenable position within Islam.


As long as we will think that Muslim religion is like the Christian one in today's world, we will be misled and we will not defend ourselves properly

I agree with this. The current position is that some, such as the Palestinians, have put up with MORE than Westerners would tolerate. However at some point, if a Religious leader declares violent Jihad, everything changes, so yes I agree it is very different.

I would just say that the STATE of Islam is partly or largely our fault. The Saudi situation is horrible, but this is a corrupt family put in place by the British to serve oil interests. The Saudis then fund madrassas in Pakistan that radicalise children. But this only happens because conditions in Pakistan are so bad, because of Colonialism and on-going economic war.

So in summary I do not reject your characterisations of Islam

Perhaps I am polishing the lamp in the hope that a Genie of love and humanity will emerge, I am rubbing the lamp with love, humanity , tolerance and forbearance. I am also asking Islam to show the same to us.

[Ines]

There are 3 mayor Religions in the world: Christianity, Islam and Judaism. All three of them had been used through out History, to manipulate Human kind to preserve their way of life, interests, power and control of the world. They don´t care for human life, as they are Satan worshipers.

"THOSE WHO LOVE PEACE, MUST LEARN TO ORGANIZE AS EFFECTIVELY AS THOSE WHO LOVE WAR". Martin Luther King.