Tinkering with or Stealing one's soul

[Eichelon01]

I was just wondering Is it possible for transdimentional entities to steal Human souls, and use it in any manner, and more importantly can Stolen souls be retrieved and brought back to the Human owner so that he could continue Progression here on Earth, how can a Stolen Soul be relieved and how can the victim be helped in an efficient way, I think there must be a boundry made between paranoid schizophrenia and this phenomenon, i am Not personally mentally sick, i was just curious,....:ROFL:

Thanks
Eichelon

[ElfeMya]

Hi Eichelon01, would you define Stolen Soul ?
Thanks for this little explanation...

[Arcturian108]

I suggest you read the new book Your Multiple Souls to understand more about "tinkering" with souls.

[Violet3]

soul retrieval is a classic action performed by shamans. Trick is to find a real shaman as they have mostly disappeared i think, though there is a modern fascination and even schools now.

[shaberon]

Hmm...I would think they could steal the body, thereby preventing the soul from functioning in it. The soul not being owned by a human. It is the real individual person, which owns the body, at least it is supposed to.

Consciousness could be harassed, but I would have to stick with, the true soul is essentially immune to whatever.

Agree that a shaman would be handy, or a Theraputae (healer), with certain priests as a last resort.

[xion]

I didn't know a person can be alive without a soul?
Human beings ARE souls in a meat suit.
So stealing ones soul would mean like kidnapping you and in process your meat suit would stop functioning or die.

But entities or people can live off or drain your life energy/life force which is produced by your soul power.
People do it because they don't have good connection to their soul so the are energy deficient and they need to energize their meat suit.
Their power grid is malfunctioning or they need a better router.
Or they can do it just for malice and bad intent.
Yea I know, it sounds funny.

Protection from these bastards is to smite them, show them who's the boss.
If a person is not in a warrior mood or does not possess smiting techniques, seeking help from another warrior is a viable option.

[Bill Ryan]

I didn't know a person can be alive without a soul?
Human beings ARE souls in a meat suit.
So stealing ones soul would mean like kidnapping you and in process your meat suit would stop functioning or die.



No, that's not actually correct. Even without a soul (although that's a highly unusual circumstance), the body lives on as a fully functioning intelligent organism in its own right.

For more, read this:

The Body Intelligence
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20335-The-Body-Intelligence

[shaberon]

That illustrates one of the main points made by most of the Gnostics.

They say that the Demiurge/Archons gave life to physical man via the Nephesh, or Animal Soul. A belief in this animating force is then what the Archons lead one to revere. This Animal Soul which includes the personal mind can leave the body, it can have parts turned off, all sorts of things can happen to it, which will not kill the body. This lower soul will survive the death of the body, and remain for a while, but it is not immortal.

The immortal spiritual soul is never really in the body, and it is only in the mind to the extent of that person's spiritual development. This soul is what I would say could never be stolen, injured, or anything else.

[greybeard]

It is not possible for the soul, your true self at the highest level to be interfered with in anyway.
There are levels of energy--- at a low level your personality--the me can be influenced---the personalty is not constant, the me changes and therein lies the clue.
The True Self is eternal, timeless, no change is possible.
The mystics--The Buddha--Jesus--have all testified to this in their own way.
You exist independent of thought--beliefs--conditioning --what looks through your eyes has not changed in any way.

There is nothing to fear.

Chris

[Ines]

I was just wondering Is it possible for transdimentional entities to steal Human souls, and use it in any manner, and more importantly can Stolen souls be retrieved and brought back to the Human owner so that he could continue Progression here on Earth, how can a Stolen Soul be relieved and how can the victim be helped in an efficient way, I think there must be a boundry made between paranoid schizophrenia and this phenomenon, i am Not personally mentally sick, i was just curious,....:ROFL:

Thanks
Eichelon

The Soul is our Essence and it is connected to our Psyche; the Spirit is our connection to Source, to God. Psychoanalysts and Psychyatrist have to know the difference in order to treat their patients.

I have never stumbled on any reading about "transdiomensional entities" stealing Human Souls. Though, I have read about Humans tinkering and stealing Souls. That´s exactly what the Nazis were doing with their experiments (remember Dr. Mengele ?), and then, the recruitment of German Scientists by USA CIA and Military with the Paperclip Poject. After WW2, they started fresh With the MK-Ultra and Monarch Programs. I don´t think there are Statistics about all the victims. And all of this was in the NWO Agenda of the Elite Satanic Families (Bloodlines). There´s a lot of information about all of this, now in the open, in Internet, Testimonials in videos in YouTube, also, as well as books.

[Ines]

WW2... Operation Paperclip. It may be that this video does not belong in this post, but I consider it very important, so we can understand what kind of monsters the USA Intelligence Agencies, recruited for working in MKUltra and Monarch Programs, both Mind Control.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sopm5cD57Y4

[TravelerJim]

I am working under the model now that there is no human soul, that like that which is in the physical realm, is the result of a bunch of energetic waves coming together at one point to create what seems like a soul. Same principle as things in the physical realm, except in a less dense way.

This would fit with the concept of the holographic universe too, taking it a step further in fact.

[greybeard]

I am working under the model now that there is no human soul, that like that which is in the physical realm, is the result of a bunch of energetic waves coming together at one point to create what seems like a soul. Same principle as things in the physical realm, except in a less dense way.

This would fit with the concept of the holographic universe too, taking it a step further in fact.

Nasargadatta Maharaj and others (mystics) said that in their own way.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1084688&viewfull=1#post1084688


and


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVHRRxUpog

[petra]

I was just wondering Is it possible for transdimentional entities to steal Human souls, and use it in any manner, and more importantly can Stolen souls be retrieved and brought back to the Human owner so that he could continue Progression here on Earth, how can a Stolen Soul be relieved and how can the victim be helped in an efficient way, I think there must be a boundry made between paranoid schizophrenia and this phenomenon, i am Not personally mentally sick, i was just curious,....:ROFL:

Thanks
Eichelon

The Soul is our Essence and it is connected to our Psyche; the Spirit is our connection to Source, to God. Psychoanalysts and Psychyatrist have to know the difference in order to treat their patients.

I have never stumbled on any reading about "transdiomensional entities" stealing Human Souls. Though, I have read about Humans tinkering and stealing Souls. That´s exactly what the Nazis were doing with their experiments (remember Dr. Mengele ?), and then, the recruitment of German Scientists by USA CIA and Military with the Paperclip Poject. After WW2, they started fresh With the MK-Ultra and Monarch Programs. I don´t think there are Statistics about all the victims. And all of this was in the NWO Agenda of the Elite Satanic Families (Bloodlines). There´s a lot of information about all of this, now in the open, in Internet, Testimonials in videos in YouTube, also, as well as books.

I agree with your definitions, Ines

Being perfectly honest here, I do feel as if I had been cut off from God for a long time - but that is no longer the case. Now I feel as if God is listening to me (even though sometimes I am "not fit to talk to" ha ha)

I've researched psychology much more than spiritual things, but I did come across an old voodoo belief that struck a chord with me - "In Voodoo beliefs, the soul is made of two parts, the gros bon ange and the ti bon ange."

They believe that it is possible to separate the two also, and I hesitated to even post that because I find it sortof revolting. I'm still figuring out my own experiences, and I think it's definitely possible part of me could have been or still am being "tinkered" with.

[Ines]

There is a lot information about Souls. I have been researching and looking around in the Internet, English and Spanish. There are lots of blogs, forums, web sites, pages, with same info. You just google the right words. I got 439,000 results in 0.77 seconds. I have been in many of them; and yes, almost all agree on the subject that THERE IS a big LIE...someone have been telling to us, for millennia. I think this article is as good as any of them, on the subject. Very interesting stuff. if you want to look for more on your own, you can share it as well. Ines :flower:

Soul-Catching Net: Are We “Recycled” at Death to Remain in the Matrix?

The idea of a soul-catching net or soul net, that awaits us at death – and keeps us in the Matrix – is a grim and highly disturbing notion, but one which I believe, has to be considered by all serious researchers of the worldwide conspiracy. True free thinkers want to know exactly where the conspiracy rabbit hole ends. Just how far does the suppression go? Past this lifetime? Past this planet? Well, the answer may well be yes to both. After you spend years of research going through the many layers of political corruption, corporatocracy, surveillance, false flag attacks, central banking, GMOs, geoengineering, Zionism, Illuminati bloodlines, the radiation agenda, UFOs and ETs, alien intervention and more, you come to realize that the true source of the suppression is at the intersection of consciousness and conspiracy.

Why? Because the conspiracy is all about suppressing your idea of Who You Are. It’s about convincing you that you are nothing, no one. It’s about convincing you that you are just a biological machine, fit to serve as no more than a cog in a machine or as Pink Floyd put it just another brick in the wall. Mainstream science to this day still denies the existence of consciousness just because it can’t get a handle on it with the 5 senses. Its simplistic solution is to disregard anything it can’t measure.

There are many researchers who will be unable to contemplate this topic, or refuse to go there, because it clashes with their belief systems, such as religious belief systems (the afterlife is either Heaven or Hell, or 100 virgins, but not a soul net), scientific/materialistic belief systems (there is no such thing as a soul or consciousness) or various other belief systems (there are no such things as aliens or extraterrestrials, etc.). If you have read this far, you probably are ready to go beyond those belief systems, having realized they are set up to create a false dichotomy, and to limit and disempower you. You have probably also realized that the true manipulators at the helm of the conspiracy are non-physical entities, which various religions and cultures have referred to as: the Archons (in the Gnostic tradition), Djinn or Jinn (in Islam), Demons (in Christianity), the Mud Shadow (in the books of Carlos Castaneda) or by other names.

continue reading:

http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/soul-net-deep-down-rabbit-hole/

[Ines]

There is a lot information about Souls. I have been researching and looking around in the Internet, English and Spanish. There are lots of blogs, forums, web sites, pages, with same info. You just google the right words. I got 439,000 results in 0.77 seconds. I have been in many of them; and yes, almost all agree on the subject that THERE IS a big LIE...someone have been lyeing to us (reptilian race).

[greybeard]

Yes you have a soul, you are a soul--have you found it?
You wont find it in external search.
No book holds it.
Its yours.

Chris

[greybeard]

There is a lot information about Souls. I have been researching and looking around in the Internet, English and Spanish. There are lots of blogs, forums, web sites, pages, with same info. You just google the right words. I got 439,000 results in 0.77 seconds. I have been in many of them; and yes, almost all agree on the subject that THERE IS a big LIE...someone have been lyeing to us (reptilian race).

Respectfully you use the plural ie souls.
Yes we have been miss led but the misleadings is in the concept of separation--duality.
If you can believe the reality of one-ness then there is only One without a second as spoken of by all Mystics--all else is the illusion of separation//Maya.
So the thought that tinkering with one's soul is possible is therefore built on a false premise.

The Creator became all that is without loosing singularity--only God is and you are that.
Takes a lot of believing but serious study of enlightenment--Self realization will bring you to that conclusion quite quickly.

Bad guys out to get you---seems we are brought up on this---now in who's interest is it to promote fear?

Chris

[petra]

Ever hear of the expression "they sold their soul to the devil"?
I think there's some truth to it metaphorically speaking. People are "selling their souls" all the time, when they continue to do things which they know are wrong, or when they continue to not speak up for what they know is right.

Actually "stealing" a soul though? Sounds preposterous.

Shacking souls together sounds possible though. I consider hypnosis to be really dangerous considering we still know so little about how it works. Consider how hypnosis could affect a person's path in life, especially is they recall past trauma or have repressed memories. Things like that seem as if they'd be likely to have repercussions in the afterlife.

[Ines]

There is a lot information about Souls. I have been researching and looking around in the Internet, English and Spanish. There are lots of blogs, forums, web sites, pages, with same info. You just google the right words. I got 439,000 results in 0.77 seconds. I have been in many of them; and yes, almost all agree on the subject that THERE IS a big LIE...someone have been lyeing to us (reptilian race).

Respectfully you use the plural ie souls.
Yes we have been miss led but the misleadings is in the concept of separation--duality.
If you can believe the reality of one-ness then there is only One without a second as spoken of by all Mystics--all else is the illusion of separation//Maya.
So the thought that tinkering with one's soul is possible is therefore built on a false premise.

The Creator became all that is without loosing singularity--only God is and you are that.
Takes a lot of believing but serious study of enlightenment--Self realization will bring you to that conclusion quite quickly.

Bad guys out to get you---seems we are brought up on this---now in who's interest is it to promote fear?

Chris

There are two things that paralyzes people from going and encounter the truth about the so called "reality" we live in: ... "belief systems" and "fear". There is no heaven and no hell in the Afterlife, not as the "belief systems" had taught us. There are humans with Souls, and they don´t appreciate them as a gift from Source (God). There are also humans "without" souls (sociopaths, psychopaths, satan worshipers, and some are even ET´s in a human "biological computer"). And there are Starseeds, who are in this Earth to help HUMANS with SOULS... and help the future of this Earth. We need to come out of our "mental programs".

[greybeard]

There is a lot information about Souls. I have been researching and looking around in the Internet, English and Spanish. There are lots of blogs, forums, web sites, pages, with same info. You just google the right words. I got 439,000 results in 0.77 seconds. I have been in many of them; and yes, almost all agree on the subject that THERE IS a big LIE...someone have been lyeing to us (reptilian race).

Respectfully you use the plural ie souls.
Yes we have been miss led but the misleadings is in the concept of separation--duality.
If you can believe the reality of one-ness then there is only One without a second as spoken of by all Mystics--all else is the illusion of separation//Maya.
So the thought that tinkering with one's soul is possible is therefore built on a false premise.

The Creator became all that is without loosing singularity--only God is and you are that.
Takes a lot of believing but serious study of enlightenment--Self realization will bring you to that conclusion quite quickly.

Bad guys out to get you---seems we are brought up on this---now in who's interest is it to promote fear?

Chris

There are two things that paralyzes people from going and encounter the truth about the so called "reality" we live in: ... "belief systems" and "fear". There is no heaven and no hell in the Afterlife, not as the "belief systems" had taught us. There are humans with Souls, and they don´t appreciate them as a gift from Source (God). There are also humans "without" souls (sociopaths, psychopaths, satan worshipers, and some are even ET´s in a human "biological computer"). And there are Starseeds, who are in this Earth to help HUMANS with SOULS... and help the future of this Earth. We need to come out of our "mental programs".
Im smiling---Truth is not a belief system.

"The Truth will set you free"
"The Father and I are One"
"Of myself I do nothing it is the Father within me"
Now who said these things?

He also said we can do more than he did.

Now where is the fear in freedom that Truth gives one?

You can discover all kinds of belief systems on the Internet--you can find whatever you look for and you are entitled to do that.
Many of these beliefs are fear related as to what aliens can do to you.

Jesus and the mystics speak of freedom truth and love--where is the fear in love?
Mystics do not speak of heaven or hell either--religion does--the path of enlightenment is not a religion--it get you to ask the question--"Who am I?
When you find that Truth there is no fear--
The discovery that you are not the body removes virtually all fear.

I agree that we should appreciate life that the Creator has given us.

The word soul is used in different contexts with different meanings.
You could say that temporally we have a body and a seemingly separate spirit.

There is nowhere that God is not---Omni potent--omni present-- God became all that is without diminishing His self
So God is within all--and the essence of all is God---in every atom--the totality all of it.

So this is where I am coming from--you dont have to believe anything I have said--thats free will--choice.

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

If you look at the belief that ones soul can be stolen or tinkered with, is that not a frightening thought?
Nothing I have posted would promote fear.

God which is just one name for the Creator---being within all life ,is not going to be stolen or tinkered with before or after the leaving of the body--ie what is called death.

Chris

[Ines]

If you look at the belief that ones soul can be stolen or tinkered with, is that not a frightening thought?
Nothing I have posted would promote fear.

God which is just one name for the Creator---being within all life ,is not going to be stolen or tinkered with before or after the leaving of the body--ie what is called death.

Chris

I´m sorry. I apologize for hurting your sensitive view. To me, "a belief system" is against truth and reality, is like an ilusion. When we feel our ilusion is threatened, that´s when "fear" comes to close our mind. I know, I have been there; I was brought up as a catholic, and I remember "fear" from becoming a "sinner" even as a small child. Those kind of religious belief systems is what I am talking about. I don´t need indoctrination and I don´t think I am "promoting fear". I thought Avalon was a place where you could express yourself as an open minded, intelligent and mature adult.

That´s my personal opinion.

[greybeard]

If you look at the belief that ones soul can be stolen or tinkered with, is that not a frightening thought?
Nothing I have posted would promote fear.

God which is just one name for the Creator---being within all life ,is not going to be stolen or tinkered with before or after the leaving of the body--ie what is called death.

Chris

I´m sorry. I apologize for hurting your sensitive view. To me, "a belief system" is against truth and reality, is like an ilusion. When we feel our ilusion is threatened, that´s when "fear" comes to close our mind. I know, I have been there; I was brought up as a catholic, and I remember "fear" from becoming a "sinner" even as a small child. Those kind of religious belief systems is what I am talking about. I don´t need indoctrination and I don´t think I am "promoting fear". I thought Avalon was a place where you could express yourself as an open minded, intelligent and mature adult.

That´s my personal opinion.

Ines Im not hurt just concerned---Many that read the threads here are young people and religion spreads enough fear without giving people the belief inherent in the thought that the soul can be tinkered with.

Enlightenment is first hand experience and Truth --not out of books or found on the INTERNET.

Avalon is open and I have mentioned freewill,
I have been a member since it began and have seen this kind of topic come and go.

If you are open minded have a look at this thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

or

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=7764&viewfull=1#post7764

The second one gets over three thousand visits a week---so the idea of enlightenment is shared by many looking for freedom from illusion.

Of course you are very free to believe what you want and can express your self here to your hearts content.

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

Hoping to clarify
There is Ultimate Truth and relative truth.
Within relative truth there is A1, mind control and other similar issues.
These belong and are at home in threads other than the spiritual section in those threads they are much discussed.
They are part of the illusion-- in spiritual terms they are Maya.

David Icke who has a foot in both camps relative truth and Ultimate Truth says " Only unconditional Love is real all else is an illusion"

Now when you are shown relative and Ultimate you have freedom to decide which you wish to spend time with.As Jesus recommended you can "Wear this world like a loose garment"

Best wishes
Chris