What happened early this morning

[Chester]

Yesterday I, for some strange reason, I felt compelled to look at Bill's latest posts. Yes, I have done this before, maybe 7 or 8 times in the 4.5 years I have been active on the Project Avalon forum.

I saw that Bill made a comment on The Phil Schneider mystery thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92095-The-Phil-Schneider-mystery) to a post made by petra.
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The thing is, it's "real to him". I made my brother cry when I told him the voices in his head weren't "real"... I should not have said that

Voices in one's head — that no-one else can hear — aren't necessarily imaginary. They can be personally targeted and induced in the brain by advanced technology, too, and this absolutely does sometimes happen.

For more, see Omniverse's :star::star::star::star::star: post here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89116-Should-channelling-possibly-be-one-case-where-the-baby-is-not-worth-saving-bathwater-wise&p=1080425&viewfull=1#post1080425

This stimulated me to make the following post -



I cannot be 100% certain as to my own experience of "a voice in my head" - one which I had dealt with since my early 20s up until my last experience when I was 54 (4 years ago) that it wasn't delusions, but I can comfortably say I make odds 99 to 1 (my highest odds rating I ever give) that I was dealing with a real 3rd party directed influence. Until one has these types of experiences (as intense as they were), you really cannot imagine it. The final experience truly came a hair away from costing me my life. Serious stuff and something I am unable to draw any conclusion as to the actual nature of the source. Omni's work is a work of the heart and I am grateful for Omni.

A bit later I Skyped Omni (as he has been a contact/friend) for quite some time (a relationship initiated because of my love for the music Omni creates) and I shared with Omni the kind comments made here in relation to his work.

With all the above in mind - here is what happened this morning.

I was deep into my sleep when I found myself experiencing a very vivid dream... the type where you, the dreamer, is quite conscious.

Suddenly, a voice shouted my name as if there was an urgency so to do.

"Chester!!!" I heard shouted... and this was not in the dream. It was a voice that seemed to come from somewhere in my room or maybe just outside my bedroom door.

It was so startling that I not only awoke instantly but I also screamed myself something like - "ahhhhhh!" Quickly the reality of the experienced dawned on me in my waking state. I looked at the clock - 4:28 AM.

There was no one in my room. Yet I know for a fact a voice yelled my middle name and that my mind felt this happened in my 3D world while I was in the middle of a lucid dream which caused me to instantly awaken yet clearly there was no one in my room, no one in the house... the only current logical explanation was that "something" was motivated to scare me and that this occurred in the middle of my sleep in the night just after I had focused on this very type of experience and where Omni's research was spotlighted.

For me, these experiences are no coincidence. Folks who know me also know I don't scare very easily. In fact, some think I am pretty brave yet the truth might be better served by pointing out I can be quite stupid too (which is the same sort of bravery one exhibits when they charge a tank with a knife). I made the last statement to make a point that supports one theory.

What if "I" (Sam Hunter, who for the first 57 years of his life went by his middle name, Chester, and who is still known by this name to my family and old friends) am being monitored by "third parties" for one reason or another. One reason might be because I post on this and similar forums. What might raise the "concern level" of these third parties is my sometimes bold (and perhaps sometimes overly bold and even stupid) posts. Now let me try and be a little more realistic. There have to be tens of thousands... hundreds of thousands more likely... perhaps millions of folks on Earth at this time which might be considered "potentially subversive trouble makers." My logic says that there is no way I could be so important to some "third party" that my activities are this closely monitored much less that there would be implementations of tactics which might make me have second thoughts about the degree of my "activism" (which is really not that much).

So considering the above, my logical mind says that it is ridiculous and perhaps delusional (narcisistic, etc) for me to think I could be "that important." In fact, I got a comment once aimed at me by someone I respect which suggested this very issue - that I struggle with the reality of my own actual self-importance. A comment I took to heart after my ego allowed me to. So... with this in mind, yet with my mind also knowing that what I experienced this morning was exactly as I described, what explanation might make sense?

OK so - anyone who has studied the subject of "mind hacking" which includes every theory under the sun as to what could do this, how it might be done, who could do this and why would any special interest group pursue such... this is a theory I will put forth which, if true, would not surprise me at all.

If a society could be monitored by sophisticated computer tech that takes data from every possible data source and that the "group" that is behind this has incredible computing power (speed and data storage capabilities)... and if I were them and I had the angst to "do this" then I would likely write routines which profiled folks and even create a "potential risk" rating system that would constantly update based on any new information.

Now, if I also had the ability to (as some claim is the case) identify each and every human being via technology as is now known to be possible and has been reported in the mainstream media (sort of like brain signatures being similar to finger prints - that no two people read the same). Brain biometrics (http://www.geek.com/science/brain-scans-used-to-identify-individuals-could-be-your-next-biometric-password-1623365/). And here (http://findbiometrics.com/brain-activity-identification-210157/).

And if this technology could be developed such that individuals could be ID'd via satellites, cell phone towers and other similar technologies.

And if there is the ability to "mind manipulate, mind influence, mind hack" as has been researched and is reported in Omni's documentary, his website as well as has been "whistle bown" by others - see Project Soul Catcher (https://www.amazon.com/Project-Catcher-Secrets-Cybernetic-Revealed/dp/1452804087)by Robert Duncan for example) - See also Dr. John Hall - gangstalking (https://www.amazon.com/Project-Catcher-Secrets-Cybernetic-Revealed/dp/1452804087)

And with this level of sophistication, could not a computer also be programmed to not just identify individuals who behave in ways 'they' perceive as "threats to the state or threats to 'their' agenda" but that routines exist which implement measures which 'they' believe might deter the individual from continuing with this behavior?

If so, this eliminates the need for a large number of human employees for implementation of these programs as the computers are doing all the work. There would only need to be a small human contingent to oversee it all once this total scenario has been developed and employed.

So now... if this level of technology exists today in the hands of a group within the global human population, then this same technology and even far more sophisticated levels of this type of technology could and very much likely would be in the hands of others who are not Earth born humans (if anything of this nature exists - for most of us here we have no question that "it" likely does exist).

Now, speaking for myself and I emphasize, myself alone... I can fantasize about all these possibilities all I want to the point I drive myself totally insane with paranoia. I graduated from this level of operational existence within this lifetime just after I joined PA and became active here (early 2012). But many, many others may still live with some pretty powerful fears along these lines.

Who can say what may actually be going on? Who can say that if anything is going on, how much is going on? Who can say that if indeed something is going on, who (or how many "whos" and perhaps what we might call "whats") are behind it? And if anything like this is going on, what are the "whys" which would have to be looked at on a factional basis too (if there be more than one group involved in it).

To end this post I must add one more detail. I had seen the latest James Bond film called Spectre
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(2015_film)) months ago. Strangely I felt compelled to watch it again a few days ago.. When I watch a movie that I have seen before (and often ones I have not), I may watch bits and pieces of that movie over several days. I began to watch Spectre exactly three days ago. I finished watching it late yesterday evening. How interesting the ideas in that movie also fit right in with the "bigger picture" idea I suggested in this post.

I know what I experienced at 4:28 AM this morning. I know for a fact my mind "thought/believed" that a voice in my room or just outside my room yet in the house startled me out of a lucid dream state by shouting "Chester." I know this happened every bit as well as I know that I am typing on a black Logitech K120 keyboard at this moment. But I also know that there are reports that this exact event can be simulated and implanted into one's mind via using the brain (which for me is like a transponder/receiver) and that there exists today what many believe is already developed technology in the hands of human beings.

[Chester]

This was my first experience ever of hearing a voice that I perceived was "outside of my head" and which I knew when I experienced it was as real as the typing I am doing at this moment while also knowing that "no one was there."

All my previous experiences with "hearing voices" seemed to be "voices in my head."

[thunder24]

This was my first experience ever of hearing a voice that I perceived was "outside of my head" and which I knew when I experienced it was as real as the typing I am doing at this moment while also knowing that "no one was there."

All my previous experiences with "hearing voices" seemed to be "voices in my head."

For what its worth, Iv also experienced this....awake and sleeping both.... Robert Duncans work is deep....

[petra]

Thanks for sharing this Sam, I'm still assimilating some of this information. Ugh "assimilating", now I feel like a computer again

I'll be honest, there's very few rare times I have heard an "almost-voice". It's difficult to describe, it's almost like a "memory of a voice" which is "being played back" (I'm very liberal with my quotation marks, I know!). There was one frightening word which I will not repeat (after I awoke), and there was one that said my first name (just before going to sleep), which "sounded like" a friend of mine.

As for my brother, I know he "hears" them because they all "sound" different, and furthermore some would speak with an accent!

Since you're talking about current here, I'll relate to you my experience last night. Multiple attacks, weird (almost musical) beep in my right ear, and a screen capture type image of THIS FORUM being pulled upward. The image was kindof "staticcy" though, like bad TV reception. I found that a bit jarring, I've seen images before never before staticcy like that.

[Biff]

Two nights ago I woke up to a yell coming from the other side of my bed, almost like a yelp. Thought it was the dog, but it wasn't in the room. So I thought, "cool, maybe a ghost." and I went back to sleep, a little disturbed. I too posted in the Phil Schneider thread. Maybe it's his ghost! ::) jk.

Interesting occurrence on you. Interesting thoughts you have.

[petra]

This was my first experience ever of hearing a voice that I perceived was "outside of my head" and which I knew when I experienced it was as real as the typing I am doing at this moment while also knowing that "no one was there."

All my previous experiences with "hearing voices" seemed to be "voices in my head."

Wow. Something's definitely happening

[Chester]

Two nights ago I woke up to a yell coming from the other side of my bed, almost like a yelp. Thought it was the dog, but it wasn't in the room. So I thought, "cool, maybe a ghost." and I went back to sleep, a little disturbed. I too posted in the Phil Schneider thread. Maybe it's his ghost! ::) jk.

Interesting occurrence on you. Interesting thoughts you have.


And note I truly have no definitive conclusions. My very first answer as to what happened and what may be the cause is - "I really don't know... I truly have no evidence beyond my experience."

I have one regret. I recall thinking I needed to write down what the dream was about but I stupidly listened to myself say... "No way I'll forget this" even though I instantly also remembered making this same mistake many, many times.

And so let me make sure it is very clear... the scenario I painted in the OP is simply what seemed to fit well within my "conspiratorial mind" leanings and the activities I was involved with the last few days, especially yesterday.

Here is another completely different theory...

What if what I experienced was "self derived?" What if my obfuscated consciousness (what some folks call one's subconscious) is so enamored with the conspiracy world possibilities that I actually generated the perception of my experience to such a degree I then concluded my experience was exactly as I described and most specifically "real."

This goes all the way to the question which can be answered in multiple ways, what is real? You will get arguments that all experience is simply the experience of various levels of 'form/illusion' (maya) and I can agree from the POV of the "Absolute" (be there such) that this then could be said to be true. And then we have the folks who would only say something is real if it exists in the shared reality as a physical object. And then there's everywhere in between.

So one point I hope to make is - I had the experience I had. But I really cannot draw any definitive conclusions as to whether it came forth from an external stimulus outside of my "head" through my "transponder/receiver brain" where my conclusion was that an actual voice was emanating from something that was able to simulate the voice of a human being screaming my name where in my youth I would have gotten out of bed and begun searching my bedroom and home for the person who did this all and only because I could not imagine any other explanation. Yet where now, having "awakened" to so much more of the possibilities and having done enough research I can put together an elaborate explanation as at least a possibility (as I did in the OP), it is possible that the truth of what was the cause may be so elusive and so unknown to most of us on Earth at this time that I am left with nothing to hold on to, nothing to "know" which I can feel secure about as to being the actual truth. and perhaps THIS is the scariest thing of all and is the fear we all share though deep in our own subconscious.

So the biggest point of all may be this -

We sure do "live" in a strange world. A world with different levels and 'densities' (using this term metaphorically) of experience. Where there are a multitude of what we might call "us" who have some capacity to think about what they are experiencing. And what do we so often do? And do not take my answer to suggest that this is wrong to do.

We attempt to explain what we experience (experienced subjectively). We seek to validate our experiences, often by comparing them to the reports of others who have experiences (again, experienced subjectively). We then try to form conclusions about them... the why, the causes, etc. And through this process we then often validate current paradigms, add new twists to existing paradigms or generate new paradigms. And almost always these actions lead to groupifications that then later blow up into paradigm wars with the end result being division, separation and a rise in the levels of chaos.

Maybe the deeper mysteries behind all this may never be "known" like I know that I am typing on this black Logitech K120 keyboard. And maybe if we recognize there's mysteries beneath the mysteries we might stop co-creating what has now become a rather mature community within the overall "alternative community" - that of the "reality TV show" type "experiencer/whistle blower/abductee/ex-illuminati/contactee/SSP teamate/ex-SSP revealer" that co-exists in part due to opportunists who cross the line from bringing interesting info to the public into consciously knowing they are selling snake-oil style 'false hope' to the vulnerable.

And then we have seen where some who rise up to this status then do to vulnerables which no one can deny is damaging far beyond common acceptable standards.

I am not faulting true researchers... in fact, the sad fact is that the true researchers and the true sites involved in information dissemination of an other worldly nature are overshadowed by the sensationalists. The line between the two is seamless IMO. But most of us agree on the extreme examples of this sort of folly. Sadly... far too many have taken prominence today. Let's get past this stage of growth for the alternative community. IMO Project Avalon does a good job in walking this fine line. Can I say perfect? I won't say that at all whatsoever and I say this because I believe that to do so in this world which is inherently imperfect is an impossible thing to achieve. But of all the forums I have found since I entered this community, for me, Project Avalon is number one with any number two a distant second. Just my opinion but one I will voice anytime and to anyone anywhere as long as I hold it and I do not see this changing easily.

[Omni]

Black Project Post-Singularity AI provides revolutionary compartmentalization opportunities with the slick automation it can do. Your point is absolutely true that they would save the need for agents with these AIs. And I know these AIs well, they are heinously evil. The answer to why humanity isn't enslaved to timbuktoo(they have the capability at this second IMHO) is exopolitics and extraterrestrial engagement of the shadow government. As I understand it we are in a time of sacrifice, right before disclosure and global first contact in the grand scheme of things(maybe not in 20 years but in our history we are close i think).

[Frenchy]

''' All my previous experiences with "hearing voices" seemed to be "voices in my head."...

Thanks Sam, for this sharing of personal experience...

I am encouraged by the maturity of most members, here...

I'd like to share a strange happening which occurred when I was around 23 years of age [c 1977 ]... I was in conversation with the Union representative, in work, during the chat, as I always look directly at the people I speak to; The thought came into my mind, and I could also 'hear' the words " Gosh, he looks like a Reptile... " { I did not hear mention of David Icke, until 1997 } The choice of wording [for me ] , is significant, for IF it were ME thinking this, I would've thought " You look like a Reptile ", and NOT " He.... "

A very interesting OP, and one which can lead to a Myriad of other concepts !

[Althena]

Last night I has 3 solid hours of dreams/nightmares of war, video game like in first person, funny thing is I haven't played video games in 10 years.

[Flash]

One more thought Sam Chester: what if no satellite or hightech is needed anylonger? What if we are ao well and deeply pre-programmed as a race, and individually, that the ETs control has been internalized and that we now do it to ourselves, by ourselves - an auto inner automatic control switch!

So you created the shouting that woke you up from sleep precisely to stop yourself from awakening to a new paradigm/state. You see

Bad aliens are far too advance to use any detectable technology in my views. The detectable one is created and use by humans (unless one is a quite stupid alien)

Furthermore, I bet that part of the organically implanted control has to do with the creation of beliefs, all kinds of beliefs including bad ET perceivable high tech control beliefs. I think that ETs are far too sophisticated, on both sides, benevolent or malevolent, to be detected unless they want to.

Therefore, you woke youself up or other humans did . This is my theory in exploring a foggy reality

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Wow! I had not read your last post when I wrote the above. The common put together we are actually doing is quite interesting

[Jay Freeman]

I have been awakened by the voice of someone calling my name many times, but the person is always asleep at the time or not present. One time, I woke up to hear my (deceased) grandmother saying "Hello?" like she was checking to see if I was there and I was so disappointed that I didn't get to continue the conversation because by then I was fully awake. I don't think it was a dream, but rather something that happened just as I was transitioning from the sleep state to the awake state. All the other times, I had been awakened in the night from a sound sleep, so I don't think it was a dream either. I really don't know what to make of it.

[wnlight]

Sam, I have had similar experiences both in waking state and in sleeping state. I would hear my name "Warren" called out. I would sometimes assume it was my wife calling me, but she would deny it. Sometimes it would sound like her. The sensation is real enough to be clearly (so I think) outside of my head. I have been awakened by it. This sensation does not appear to be associated with a dream or with my activities, but is rather an interruption. So many people have experienced this that it could simply be a human characteristic. Or it could be family members (alive or dead) connecting with me. Sam, do you ever recognise the voice?

[petra]

For me, things began after I went through a lot of stress

I talked to my brother yesterday. He just has one voice left now, and he considers it to be "nice"

I asked him about his voice talking in an accent too. He said that it told him it does that so he can "distinguish", but he also said sometimes it turns mean

I told him the voices might be able to "impersonate" one another, and just for an instant, I thought he looked really surprised

[petra]

''' All my previous experiences with "hearing voices" seemed to be "voices in my head."...

Thanks Sam, for this sharing of personal experience...

I am encouraged by the maturity of most members, here...

I'd like to share a strange happening which occurred when I was around 23 years of age [c 1977 ]... I was in conversation with the Union representative, in work, during the chat, as I always look directly at the people I speak to; The thought came into my mind, and I could also 'hear' the words " Gosh, he looks like a Reptile... " { I did not hear mention of David Icke, until 1997 } The choice of wording [for me ] , is significant, for IF it were ME thinking this, I would've thought " You look like a Reptile ", and NOT " He.... "

A very interesting OP, and one which can lead to a Myriad of other concepts !

I 100% agree with making a point to look at people's eyes! I avoided this for years and in hindsight, it is something I regret not paying more attention to

I have stopped trying to "guess where it comes from", because I don't think it matters

EDIT: There's just no way to know for sure if the source stays the same or if it varies

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, this is getting around. :)

Early this morning I was woken up by a distinct voice — a male voice, that I didn't recognize — that simply said 'valuable'.

I'd bet it was somehow my own dream-creation, but it was still a little strange!

[ghostrider]

Voice of god technology works on the same principle as the HAARP technology, ELF waves aimed at a specific person... the plejaren say the dark order (the CIA) has had this technology since the 1970s ... you can read what the had to say at the futureofmankind.uk and just type in the search box HAARP ... trial runs were conducted during advertising commercials run at big screen movies getting the unaware public to purchase popcorn before the main movie began... it is my personal opinion, the top part of cell towers , gwen towers, and other strange looking towers that seem to pop up over night, no one ever remembers seeing them built, are part of a dark mind control project... they have their own mini power station, are fenced off with usually no markings, and technicians that service them say they are just upgraded cell towers, yet cell signals are no stronger standing directly underneath them ... I have solid proof they are not cell towers... stand underneath one and look at the bars on your droid or smartphone... there is a youtuber that also has video doing the same thing, and also speaking with a person who services the mystery power station with strange towers ...

[sdv]

Thanks for this thread Sam, and thanks to everyone who has shared experiences.

Yes, I have been woken up by a voice loudly and urgently calling my name. It is so annoying because I want to stay in the dream and find out who it is and what the person wants (and it always seems to be something very important). I usually don't remember the dream, or only fragments of it, and can never link the voice with someone dreaming about me or thinking about me or calling to me ...

I want to look in the person's face and say who are you and what do you want. Now, I must get my dreaming self to resist waking up and find whoever is calling my name so that I can do just that!

[petra]

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Well, this is getting around. :)

Early this morning I was woken up by a distinct voice — a male voice, that I didn't recognize — that simply said 'valuable'.

I'd bet it was somehow my own dream-creation, but it was still a little strange!

Speaking from personal experience I believe these seemingly random words and phrases upon waking could be "injections", but of course it could be different for different people.

The reason I say this is sometimes I get phrases, and they're either complete and utter propaganda, or absolute nonsense.

[Chester]

Sam, I have had similar experiences both in waking state and in sleeping state. I would hear my name "Warren" called out. I would sometimes assume it was my wife calling me, but she would deny it. Sometimes it would sound like her. The sensation is real enough to be clearly (so I think) outside of my head. I have been awakened by it. This sensation does not appear to be associated with a dream or with my activities, but is rather an interruption. So many people have experienced this that it could simply be a human characteristic. Or it could be family members (alive or dead) connecting with me. Sam, do you ever recognise the voice?

First, as mentioned but perhaps not clear, this "voice hearing incident" was the first and only time I clearly heard a voice that seemed as real as if it were my son or wife or some other live human being saying my name in an urgent way... almost a shout or scream but that is over stating it. It seemed the voice may have been male. But I have no clue "who" it may have been. What I am convinced about is that no human being was there. Beyond that I have no idea and I can only speculate (as I did).

But I think the biggest point I am trying to make is that any speculation, even if speculations some might characterized as an "educated guesses" are all and only that. Since I became involved in this alternative community I have realized that I have changed. I went from someone who tried to acquire all the "alternative knowledge" I possibly could where then, based on my knowledge and more importantly, my belief that I would be able to get things right, I ended up buying into all sorts of paradigms which later I discovered were the cause of much suffering... others as well as myself.

So I have back down to what feels like a more 'real' reality. I truly have no clue as to the nature of what I experienced (the experience I shared in the OP).

Now... for the other experiences in my life where I "heard a voice (or voices) in my head" I will share some more details.

Every time I ever experienced this phenomena prior to 2012 only occurred while I was experiencing some degree of psychosis. Every single psychosis I ever experienced was preceded by heavy doses of high quality marijuana that was "smoked" (the only form I ever consumed the substance) over a long period of time and usually all day long during most of these time periods. In fact, I have attempted to reconstruct my history of these experiences and it seems that I experienced 10 psychosis.

When "the voice (or voices)" began to appear, they almost always seemed to be my own yet a different "level" of me. But when I experienced the 9th episode (which began several months before 9/11 and continued through the fall of 2001) I reached a peak of the psychosis experience in mid-August, 2001 where I heard a very clear voice, male and with a southern accent state the following - "America (meaning the US) is about to experience a major military event and you have to be there when it happens." I have related this story before (more than once) and so I will not do so again here. The point is that the voice I heard this time, even though I felt like it was "in my head" was not my voice in any way, shape or form.

Then in my last episode of this nature, most of 2011 which went dark in November of 2011 also ended with a voice inside my head that did not seem to be my own. This time the voice told me I had to kill myself to save the world. I don't need to relate that story again either as I have done so many times before on this forum. But I will mention that my discovery of this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit)on April 26, 2012 was critical for my recovery in that I realized "the voice" was not "god" (as I had concluded) and I began to explore potential explanations which freed me from a terrible mind trap.

In conclusion I would like to share this - I don't have any definitive explanations for what i have experienced in regards to these "voices" and all the anomalous experiences I have had but what I have concluded is that never was any of these "voice" experiences "the voice of God." Perhaps it is all and only a form of mental illness. Perhaps there are third party sentient beings behind it via channeling and/or technology. If there are, I would not see these beings as patently benevolent but having said that, I have yet to meet a human that I could say that about either (myself as well).

My candor regarding all of this, even though in my younger days I would be far too embarrassed to share it (or even admit to it) is because it seems to me that if ever we can get to any real deeper truths, we can only get there through being truthful at every level.

[Chester]

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Well, this is getting around. :)

Early this morning I was woken up by a distinct voice — a male voice, that I didn't recognize — that simply said 'valuable'.

I'd bet it was somehow my own dream-creation, but it was still a little strange!

This is what I would put my money on with regards to the experience I wrote about in the OP.

Yet the elaborate theory I wrote up in the OP is far sexier, yes? And that is an important point. Parsimony has become one of my operational protocols and thus partly why I put my money on a "dream-creation." Sexy "sells." I used to buy what sells, now I consider theories that require the fewest assumptions as the most likely explanation and they are usually the least "fantastical."

So let me add another piece of evidence which I had not immediately considered. There's a poster in the community that once shared with me a simple formula to create a "form of Ormus." It is simply crushed high mineral sea salt that has been soaked in hemp oil with occasional stirring over several days where eventually I strain the liquid through a coffee filter. I then take a teaspoonful each day.

Well, I had not done this for awhile and increased the daily dose to a tablespoon. What I experienced "differently" in my life while doing this was that I dreamed much more and much more vividly. Yet over time, the dreams were sometimes overly freaky and I started noticing I would not sleep as well resulting in too many tired days. So I stopped.

It had been several months since I had taken any when, that very day before this "voice" experience, I was cleaning out the fridge and found my jar with some of the substance remaining. I took a tablespoonful... the very day before the night of this experience.

I raise the odds even further it was a "dream-creation."

[shaberon]

Hard to pin it down; on a single, quick experience, if we can't identify it at that moment, further analysis may not be fruitful.

Anecdotally, what happens to me, a lot, lately--and this is a result from sleeping at different places, with all the stress and insecurity lying behind that--is that before waking up, I want to know where my body is. So, I will have a brief--30 seconds to maybe a minute--dream vision of the room where I am. It's fairly lucid visually, as well as mentally, I can say "ah, I am here". And so far, every time this has happened, it's been completely wrong. Then I wake up very confused, and have to take another minute figuring out where I really am, or if I'm still asleep, etc.

The "hypnogogic" state of the very moment of falling asleep/about to wake up, is probably our most sensitive. At such times, the physical brain could easily get an astral or dream impression and run it straight through it's physical senses with no processing. That's a slightly different condition from having a brain that's a bit damaged, and fires off sensory impressions as a result.

The only real difference between psychosis, and "sensitivity to non-physical impressions", is damage. A true psychotic won't be able to function normally, or ever gain much understanding of what happens to him. Whereas a "sensitive" may start out almost the same as a psychotic, they at least potentially can someday filter the experiences and build up clearer insight.

Since things can be backwards and we are often our own worst enemies, as you say this snapped you out of a lucid dream, it may be a little baggage trying to impede your chances of lucidity. Kind of an astral equivalent of, if every time you went to eat, you heard some physical voice "Chester Sam Aloysius Gottfried! Put that down. Other people are starving!" A psychotic would probably wind up starving as well; others might be able to eat while trying to figure out who said that.

If it becomes a pattern, you might find out more; if it was me, I would chalk it up to not having used the "Ormus" stuff for a while and the body having a little hiccup.

[petra]

But I think the biggest point I am trying to make is that any speculation, even if speculations some might characterized as an "educated guesses" are all and only that.


Thank you so much Sam, your first hand experiences are very valuable to me! I too have come to this conclusion, and what I boiled it down is "judging based off nothing". We cannot judge based off nothing, now can we?



In conclusion I would like to share this - I don't have any definitive explanations for what i have experienced in regards to these "voices" and all the anomalous experiences I have had but what I have concluded is that never was any of these "voice" experiences "the voice of God." Perhaps it is all and only a form of mental illness. Perhaps there are third party sentient beings behind it via channeling and/or technology. If there are, I would not see these beings as patently benevolent but having said that, I have yet to meet a human that I could say that about either (myself as well).

My candor regarding all of this, even though in my younger days I would be far too embarrassed to share it (or even admit to it) is because it seems to me that if ever we can get to any real deeper truths, we can only get there through being truthful at every level.

I totally agree, and the way I think of it is "God wouldn't do that!". I've said it so many times in my head I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.

The way I look at it, there has to be something nice up there too, and the God I believe in would never abandon his children. I trust God to choose good instead of evil, because really, what choice do I have?

I worry about my brother a lot also, but a lot less lately, and his voice keeps telling him things are going to get better. I really hope that's true

[AutumnW]

Sam, you should read up on Philip K Dick and Valis. Also Robert Anton Wilson, 'The Cosmic Trigger,'. You would appreciate them. I had my mind hacked about 22 years ago. No dope involved. It was scary. Lasted about 18 months. My best friend was studying alien abductions at the time. He and another friend went through the same thing I did. I feel my buddy lost control of his study and became 'the studied,' and his other friend and myself were 'targeted,' due to our emotional and intellectual proximity to him.

Diseases like schizophrenia have to be reexamined more along these lines. I feel that those who are neurologically vulnerable may forever be tormented by something that focused its interest on my friends and I for a short duration.

I didn't feel special, elevated, important. It all just felt dark and creepy. It was accompanied by a tremendous synchronicity storm, hypnagogic imagery, a few daytime hallucinations etc...So so strange. It wasn't coming from me. That I know for sure.

[AutumnW]

Sam, I like your theory that we may never be able to reach any definitive answers about what is happening. I have no idea what exactly happened to me. The idea that humans are being mind controlled, unawares, and have to be awakened to the fact, might be the greatest con job of all. What if the aliens themselves are behind that?

It makes sense to me that if mind control, mind hacking, is an organized effort or series of efforts by some invasive force, they would get the social results they required. What if the result they require is for those targeted to go out and 'spread the word?'

What happens to a society where some believe we are mind controlled puppets and try to evangelize others along those lines?. What happens when the locus of control is thought to be somewhere 'out there,' not residing comfortably in our own hearts and minds?

It could set up a witch hunt mentality. It could start wars. It definitely has the making of a new religion. And what if some other intelligent life form wants this? Those who have experienced targeted attacks would be acting as vectors to infect society with an idea that could destroy us.

What memes may come!

[AutumnW]

Hard to pin it down; on a single, quick experience, if we can't identify it at that moment, further analysis may not be fruitful.

Anecdotally, what happens to me, a lot, lately--and this is a result from sleeping at different places, with all the stress and insecurity lying behind that--is that before waking up, I want to know where my body is. So, I will have a brief--30 seconds to maybe a minute--dream vision of the room where I am. It's fairly lucid visually, as well as mentally, I can say "ah, I am here". And so far, every time this has happened, it's been completely wrong. Then I wake up very confused, and have to take another minute figuring out where I really am, or if I'm still asleep, etc.

The "hypnogogic" state of the very moment of falling asleep/about to wake up, is probably our most sensitive. At such times, the physical brain could easily get an astral or dream impression and run it straight through it's physical senses with no processing. That's a slightly different condition from having a brain that's a bit damaged, and fires off sensory impressions as a result.

The only real difference between psychosis, and "sensitivity to non-physical impressions", is damage. A true psychotic won't be able to function normally, or ever gain much understanding of what happens to him. Whereas a "sensitive" may start out almost the same as a psychotic, they at least potentially can someday filter the experiences and build up clearer insight.

Since things can be backwards and we are often our own worst enemies, as you say this snapped you out of a lucid dream, it may be a little baggage trying to impede your chances of lucidity. Kind of an astral equivalent of, if every time you went to eat, you heard some physical voice "Chester Sam Aloysius Gottfried! Put that down. Other people are starving!" A psychotic would probably wind up starving as well; others might be able to eat while trying to figure out who said that.

If it becomes a pattern, you might find out more; if it was me, I would chalk it up to not having used the "Ormus" stuff for a while and the body having a little hiccup.

"The mystic swims in the same waters the mentally ill drown in." -- Joseph Campbell

I take great exception to the idea that those poor poor souls suffering from schizophrenia are simply misunderstood shamans. It's complex, because there is overlap. Schizophrenics have physical brain damage that affects their brain's ability to perform the vital function of reducing valve for 'mind at large.' Their band width is increased but the radio signals produce a cacophony from which they try to derive meaning -- at times. At other times they have very clear hallucinations and hear very clear speech. Scary scary stuff. It makes me weep.

[Jayren]

Yesterday I, for some strange reason, I felt compelled to look at Bill's latest posts. Yes, I have done this before, maybe 7 or 8 times in the 4.5 years I have been active on the Project Avalon forum.

I saw that Bill made a comment on The Phil Schneider mystery thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92095-The-Phil-Schneider-mystery) to a post made by petra.
This was the post content -





The thing is, it's "real to him". I made my brother cry when I told him the voices in his head weren't "real"... I should not have said that

Voices in one's head — that no-one else can hear — aren't necessarily imaginary. They can be personally targeted and induced in the brain by advanced technology, too, and this absolutely does sometimes happen.

For more, see Omniverse's :star::star::star::star::star: post here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89116-Should-channelling-possibly-be-one-case-where-the-baby-is-not-worth-saving-bathwater-wise&p=1080425&viewfull=1#post1080425

This stimulated me to make the following post -



I cannot be 100% certain as to my own experience of "a voice in my head" - one which I had dealt with since my early 20s up until my last experience when I was 54 (4 years ago) that it wasn't delusions, but I can comfortably say I make odds 99 to 1 (my highest odds rating I ever give) that I was dealing with a real 3rd party directed influence. Until one has these types of experiences (as intense as they were), you really cannot imagine it. The final experience truly came a hair away from costing me my life. Serious stuff and something I am unable to draw any conclusion as to the actual nature of the source. Omni's work is a work of the heart and I am grateful for Omni.

A bit later I Skyped Omni (as he has been a contact/friend) for quite some time (a relationship initiated because of my love for the music Omni creates) and I shared with Omni the kind comments made here in relation to his work.

With all the above in mind - here is what happened this morning.

I was deep into my sleep when I found myself experiencing a very vivid dream... the type where you, the dreamer, is quite conscious.

Suddenly, a voice shouted my name as if there was an urgency so to do.

"Chester!!!" I heard shouted... and this was not in the dream. It was a voice that seemed to come from somewhere in my room or maybe just outside my bedroom door.

It was so startling that I not only awoke instantly but I also screamed myself something like - "ahhhhhh!" Quickly the reality of the experienced dawned on me in my waking state. I looked at the clock - 4:28 AM.

There was no one in my room. Yet I know for a fact a voice yelled my middle name and that my mind felt this happened in my 3D world while I was in the middle of a lucid dream which caused me to instantly awaken yet clearly there was no one in my room, no one in the house... the only current logical explanation was that "something" was motivated to scare me and that this occurred in the middle of my sleep in the night just after I had focused on this very type of experience and where Omni's research was spotlighted.

For me, these experiences are no coincidence. Folks who know me also know I don't scare very easily. In fact, some think I am pretty brave yet the truth might be better served by pointing out I can be quite stupid too (which is the same sort of bravery one exhibits when they charge a tank with a knife). I made the last statement to make a point that supports one theory.


You are a conscious dreamer, they targeted you because you were awake in your dream, you are able to do anything in this state. They wanted to wake you up out of it and scare you, do not be afraid. Once people start reaching certain power levels they try to reduce them back to zero and make you feel powerless. The dream state and awakened state are two of the most powerful states we can be in as they coincide with each other. Really when we are dreaming we are out of your bodies they were monitoring you out of your body and decided to wake you up. IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT YOU WERE LUCID DREAMING WHEN THEY WOKE YOU UP. I have had similar experiences.

[AutumnW]

Jayren,

Very interesting ideas. Who do you think they are?

[Mike]

Hi Sam, interesting thread.

I admire your honesty and the way youve analyzed it all without committing dogmatically one way or the other. Your ability to step back and see the big picture is the healthiest way to deal with this stuff imho

Ive always said that, and I still maintain, voices in ones head are - most times - 3rd party voices. I believe that strongly. I don't know if thats a comfort to someone who hears voices in their head or not!

I havent had the type of voices that are usually ascribed to this phenomena, but I have had my name spoken loudly and boldly...waking me out of a dead sleep. But being unable to make any sense of it, I just rolled over and fell back asleep (its amazing how quickly one will dismiss something when one is groggy and desirous of sleep. Ive had lots of weird things happen at night, and I can't tell you how many times I just shrugged my shoulders and shut my eyes and went back to sleep.....very weird!)

For the life of me, I don't know what any 3rd party's motivation would be to simply shout ones name into their head in the morning. Perhaps it's like a "testing 1,2,3" experiment....Perhaps they (whoever they are) are simply seeing if the tech works with a few simple tests???

[TEOTWAIKI]

This thread gave me the "deja vu all over again" willies,
as one of my "voice in the head" experiences almost cost me my life.

Being naïve, I thought I could thwart gangstalkers by fleeing the country,
not knowing at the time that it is a world-wide surveillance system.

So I’m on my motorcycle in Colombia, heading for the Ecuador border
along a very twisty highway. I was being slowed down by a line of semis
and was trying to decide if I should pass on the curve; something I had
done thousands of times in Colombia.

All of a sudden, a voice in a very insistent tone commanded, “Do it!”
So I downshift, swing out and punch the throttle and can see five
semis are stacked right behind each other.

Usually, there is a gap, however small, that I could duck into if there was
an approaching vehicle, but these truckers were following each other so close
that I couldn’t see any escape, but I was committed.

After passing about half of them, a speeding car came from the other direction
and I had nowhere to go but head-on into his grill, but at the least second he
veered slightly to the shoulder and gave me a tiny alley to get by.

Thinking about it afterwards, I really don’t know why I had done what the
voice commanded.

So a couple of weeks later I’m on the square in Vilcabamba having a beer
with a couple of guys I had recently met. They didn’t know each other
and I was telling them about my gangstalking experiences and the near
miss on the motorcycle.

Both of them in turn proceeded to tell me their unbelievable hair-raising
experiences being gangstalked which had led them to flee America for Ecuador.

[AutumnW]

That is terrifying! And then you met two other people who were gang stalked. It would be interesting to hear about the gang stalking. Do you think the voice that told you to,'do it,' was part of the gang stalking or something different?

[Yetti]

Exelent post Sam, I guess you nail it, even if , as you said, Mind hacking is no longer a posibility , I asume as a reality. Why, lets put some though in order... Etchelon technology is allready 60 yrs old , the fact there were to many wistleblowers on the subject of: gov agencies have contact and treatys w/ ets , is not new. The point here what technologies where shared???? Who has it now...... easily the possibility of supercomputers at atomic level of memory storage on crystals or metaloids is not far feched, that leads to a simple conclusion of an astonishing capability of gathering data and store it, wich is what you need when you try to track down any cerebral activity. The final analogy is: the knife helps yo put butter on the toast at breakfast, but also can cut the throath of your neiborg.... so Who has the nkife?....
Tie up some loose ends here: why they are a hughe facility to gather data from the nsa in Utah ,I guess. The soft release of hollywood on conspiracys moovies like Spectre as you mention. All start to fit .
Again thanks for the post , is exactly like I feel about the same subject althoguh I had no experiences like yours recently.
Be in tune, and sleep withan eye open my friend !! NAMASTE !

[Chester]

Sam, you should read up on Philip K Dick and Valis. Also Robert Anton Wilson, 'The Cosmic Trigger,'. You would appreciate them.

I am very familiar with both works... and this is rather recently.



I had my mind hacked about 22 years ago. No dope involved. It was scary. Lasted about 18 months. My best friend was studying alien abductions at the time. He and another friend went through the same thing I did. I feel my buddy lost control of his study and became 'the studied,' and his other friend and myself were 'targeted,' due to our emotional and intellectual proximity to him.

Diseases like schizophrenia have to be reexamined more along these lines. I feel that those who are neurologically vulnerable may forever be tormented by something that focused its interest on my friends and I for a short duration.

I didn't feel special, elevated, important. It all just felt dark and creepy. It was accompanied by a tremendous synchronicity storm, hypnagogic imagery, a few daytime hallucinations etc...So so strange. It wasn't coming from me. That I know for sure.

I could write several hundred pages of details about my own experiences. The weed factor may very well be a misdirect. There are "family" reasons as to why (if I had been targeted) that I was targeted.

The "psychiatry/psychology" field (at least from my experience) has little understanding of schizophrenia, bi-polar and psychosis.

I became so good at managing a "psychosis" that one time I lasted literally 15 months before it tipped into such a dark experience that anyone noticed. If I were asked my opinion, the individuated "being" that manifests into this world where s/he is tied in through a physical body is dealing with many levels of being where at each level there's a degree to which an imbalance in the specific level plays a roll in the manifestation of behaviors that observers would label as "psychosis."

I know from experience that it can come on over time, be controlled and subside (months later in two of my ten cases) without ever behaving in ways that "others" feel a need to step in and "do something." And then there were the eight other episodes which did cross various lines. I have vivid memories of so much of these experiences. A "sane" (whatever that is) part of me always was present.

Yet, to this day I just cannot know if it was all and only some form of illness or if there was some external targeting involved. I do remember from the very start thinking "aliens" were involved and in fact told folks that. Maybe that created more "attention." But the last thing I would do is state as fact what I really do not know. I probably (at least in this lifetime) will never know.

[Chester]

"The mystic swims in the same waters the mentally ill drown in." -- Joseph Campbell

I take great exception to the idea that those poor poor souls suffering from schizophrenia are simply misunderstood shamans. It's complex, because there is overlap. Schizophrenics have physical brain damage that affects their brain's ability to perform the vital function of reducing valve for 'mind at large.' Their band width is increased but the radio signals produce a cacophony from which they try to derive meaning -- at times. At other times they have very clear hallucinations and hear very clear speech. Scary scary stuff. It makes me weep.

Hi AutumnW... if I am reading this right, your comment here seems to say that the behaviors which lead a clinician to diagnose schizophrenia are all and only created via some sort of damage to the physical brain? I want to make sure I am understanding what you are suggesting here before I make some comments.

I do hope you can clarify this for me for two reasons. One is that I feel I have some important follow up comments and the other is that I have come to respect what you have to say as I have read many of your posts for awhile now.

[Chester]

You are a conscious dreamer, they targeted you because you were awake in your dream, you are able to do anything in this state. They wanted to wake you up out of it and scare you, do not be afraid. Once people start reaching certain power levels they try to reduce them back to zero and make you feel powerless. The dream state and awakened state are two of the most powerful states we can be in as they coincide with each other. Really when we are dreaming we are out of your bodies they were monitoring you out of your body and decided to wake you up. IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT YOU WERE LUCID DREAMING WHEN THEY WOKE YOU UP. I have had similar experiences.


Hi Jayren, I am intrigued and so I want to ask, "who is they." And "what is their agenda both with someone like me (an individual) and is the agenda about all humans (at least the humans here on Earth at this time)?"

[Chester]

Hi Sam, interesting thread.

I admire your honesty and the way youve analyzed it all without committing dogmatically one way or the other. Your ability to step back and see the big picture is the healthiest way to deal with this stuff imho

Ive always said that, and I still maintain, voices in ones head are - most times - 3rd party voices. I believe that strongly. I don't know if thats a comfort to someone who hears voices in their head or not!

I havent had the type of voices that are usually ascribed to this phenomena, but I have had my name spoken loudly and boldly...waking me out of a dead sleep. But being unable to make any sense of it, I just rolled over and fell back asleep (its amazing how quickly one will dismiss something when one is groggy and desirous of sleep. Ive had lots of weird things happen at night, and I can't tell you how many times I just shrugged my shoulders and shut my eyes and went back to sleep.....very weird!)

For the life of me, I don't know what any 3rd party's motivation would be to simply shout ones name into their head in the morning. Perhaps it's like a "testing 1,2,3" experiment....Perhaps they (whoever they are) are simply seeing if the tech works with a few simple tests???

Thanks Mike for the reply. I am at the very place you described now. I got here by trying every other way to look at these things first. In some of those cases, I paid for it in difficult ways. Because of this is why I now only share my experiences, but draw no definitive conclusions. I just don't have the proof I need anymore to decide.

What I did discover about myself when I examined the various reasons why bought into so many strange possibilities was things I did not like such as my own leanings towards narcissism and megalomania as well as my own savior complex. I am glad I looked at these things because by so doing, by admitting their presence, by deciding I did not like having these shadowy influences, I have been able to work most of them out of my system.

This has left me with only my experiences, experiences which are nowhere near as sexy as some of the folks who have risen to stardom in the alternative community. Yet what any reader of my posts can count on is two things. Absolute honesty and zero embellishment. Thanks to the lessons I learned, I won't impose a single conclusion on anyone much less a paradigm.

But something definitely is going on. One big question is, are they delusions (or self generated illusions) or are there real unseen third parties behind at least some of these experiences.

One thing I have done in this regard to establish proof that there is something going on which is not just "in my head" is to have extensively documented a great many highly improbable and highly profound synchronicity experiences which even the most ardent skeptic, when presented with the details of these experiences accompanied by real artifacts of key elements of these experiences shake their head in amazement. Still, perhaps an individual (as an individuated aspect within all consciousness) has the ability to influence the shared reality as it reflects back to us which might also lead to a false conclusion of some "third party." The bottom line is that I am wide open to whatever might explain at least some of this.

Note AutumnW's post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92174-What-happened-early-this-morning&p=1085796&viewfull=1#post1085796)


I didn't feel special, elevated, important. It all just felt dark and creepy. It was accompanied by a tremendous synchronicity storm, hypnagogic imagery, a few daytime hallucinations etc...So so strange. It wasn't coming from me. That I know for sure

That synchronicity storm thing...

Since the event I describe as "soul death" (which I went through 'metaphorically' in 2012 and which this forum played the key role in my ability to "recreate a new soul" - again stated metaphorically) I have not touched any mind altering drug or any alcohol and yet I have continued to experience the most incredible synchronicities of my entire life and which I still experience to this day.

When I consider that perhaps there might be a third party that could somehow manipulate the reality to reflect things which "it" knows would be meaningful to me, that "it" does this with such incredible timing and that sometimes I am even "compelled" to pay attention to something or to note something that normally would seem inconsequential but suddenly becomes very essential to an arising synchronicity event or string of events... well, of course when I was younger I concluded it must be "god." Yet way too often the synchronicities seemed to be pointing me towards drawing conclusions which later, because I had accepted these assumptions as fact, led me into all sorts of troubles, some quite traumatic.

For example, my experience with Shane only was traumatic for me because of the synchronicities I had experienced leading up to meeting Shane. In fact, Shane didn't do anything to me that could be viewed as intentionally harmful at all in any way. It took me quite a long time to see this, to process all this and perhaps the lesson I learned (among many) from that experience is to never, ever conclude "god" or "the universe" or "some benevolent being which has the power to manipulate the shared reality experience" has my best interests in mind.

And to conclude, this has made me wonder if the power of my own sub conscious may be the actual and only culprit here.

Lot's of speculation... yet no answers. And the good news (for me and perhaps others too) is that I no longer have this reckless drive to know. Maybe some questions will be answered before this one life ends, maybe many... maybe none.

[AutumnW]

"The mystic swims in the same waters the mentally ill drown in." -- Joseph Campbell

I take great exception to the idea that those poor poor souls suffering from schizophrenia are simply misunderstood shamans. It's complex, because there is overlap. Schizophrenics have physical brain damage that affects their brain's ability to perform the vital function of reducing valve for 'mind at large.' Their band width is increased but the radio signals produce a cacophony from which they try to derive meaning -- at times. At other times they have very clear hallucinations and hear very clear speech. Scary scary stuff. It makes me weep.

Hi AutumnW... if I am reading this right, your comment here seems to say that the behaviors which lead a clinician to diagnose schizophrenia are all and only created via some sort of damage to the physical brain? I want to make sure I am understanding what you are suggesting here before I make some comments.

I do hope you can clarify this for me for two reasons. One is that I feel I have some important follow up comments and the other is that I have come to respect what you have to say as I have read many of your posts for awhile now.

Thank you. The respect is mutual. What you have written resonates strongly with what I sense/feel might be true. As for your question about psychosis, I base some of my loose ideas on observations of my sibling's life.

I feel it is fair to call schizophrenia (not bi-polar) a form of brain damage, as there are observable changes that take shape in the brain of those stricken, during adolescence. The self pruning process the brain goes through at that time, (in all individuals,) appears to go too far, in those with schizophrenia.

That's from a recent study. But that is only the physical aspect. There is an emotional and spiritual and esoteric aspect as well. That is what has been ignored by science. These poor individuals are not shielded properly and are wide open to other realms of existence.

Other forms of consciousness may toy with them ,or they may use them as hosts. The voices they hear? I am not convinced that they are purely subjective. By their description they are very very real and I think it is likely they are tormenting these poor souls, who are vulnerable.

A huge part of the brain is devoted to inhibition or the unconscious removal of information that is not useful to survival, or doesn't conform to pre-existing or culturally acceptable thought.

If the brain that generates and reinforces consensus reality is damaged, the mind is freed up. But freedom, like beauty, in excess, is a curse, because it has an inversely proportional relationship to 'safety.' Therefore, the schizophrenic inhabits a realm where he or she is bombarded with too much information. At the same time his or her brain is deprived of the inhibitory mechanisms that 'trap' the rest of us in consensus reality. They have gone off grid.

After smoking weed, years ago and becoming very anxious, disoriented, when it began to wear off I loved the feeling of 'being back in the grid,' (or the collective unconscious.). I don't think people with schizophrenia are participating in a shared reality, at least much of the time.

I can elaborate more but I am too tired right now, so maybe tomorrow. Thanks again for the compliments and for being so open about your prior character flaws and how you have battled them. 'From here to humanity!'

[Jayren]

You are a conscious dreamer, they targeted you because you were awake in your dream, you are able to do anything in this state. They wanted to wake you up out of it and scare you, do not be afraid. Once people start reaching certain power levels they try to reduce them back to zero and make you feel powerless. The dream state and awakened state are two of the most powerful states we can be in as they coincide with each other. Really when we are dreaming we are out of your bodies they were monitoring you out of your body and decided to wake you up. IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE THAT YOU WERE LUCID DREAMING WHEN THEY WOKE YOU UP. I have had similar experiences.


Hi Jayren, I am intrigued and so I want to ask, "who is they." And "what is their agenda both with someone like me (an individual) and is the agenda about all humans (at least the humans here on Earth at this time)?"

Well they are the ones with the technology to do such things recovered by people in governments but ordered by people who not answer to anybody in any government. They are called the shadow government secret government or whatever.

They want to keep you split up they dont want you to remember who you are or who you were before you came here to do that is to remember your true lifes purpose or something along the lines.

They do this to all humans especially the ones that can be seen as a real threat.

[petra]

There are "family" reasons as to why (if I had been targeted) that I was targeted.

Me too Sam, and it's been scary! I've had what felt like stuff "looking through" my friends and family members at me, not sure if you've had anything like that. Could be mind games surely, but whatever it was felt absolutely awful. Bear in mind too, I think my feelings are being screwed with also.

[petra]

That synchronicity storm thing...

Since the event I describe as "soul death" (which I went through 'metaphorically' in 2012 and which this forum played the key role in my ability to "recreate a new soul" - again stated metaphorically) I have not touched any mind altering drug or any alcohol and yet I have continued to experience the most incredible synchronicities of my entire life and which I still experience to this day.

When I consider that perhaps there might be a third party that could somehow manipulate the reality to reflect things which "it" knows would be meaningful to me, that "it" does this with such incredible timing and that sometimes I am even "compelled" to pay attention to something or to note something that normally would seem inconsequential but suddenly becomes very essential to an arising synchronicity event or string of events... well, of course when I was younger I concluded it must be "god." Yet way too often the synchronicities seemed to be pointing me towards drawing conclusions which later, because I had accepted these assumptions as fact, led me into all sorts of troubles, some quite traumatic.

I had something similar, thanks for describing this!!

I named the synchronicity storm "Innuendo World" because everywhere I looked, there was innuendo! I know how silly that sounds, but the only conclusion I could come to explain it was "Must be some kind of time travel". Does that make sense? I recall walking around mumbling "no sense, no sense, no sense" to myself too :)

EDIT: Fixed quote

[petra]

I didn't feel special, elevated, important. It all just felt dark and creepy. It was accompanied by a tremendous synchronicity storm, hypnagogic imagery, a few daytime hallucinations etc...So so strange. It wasn't coming from me. That I know for sure.

It didn't feel creepy for me at the time, I thought I was playing some sort of stupid game!

EDIT: Please allow me to clarify, it was more like being a video game character inside a game, and someone was playing ME.

[Chester]

Exelent post Sam, I guess you nail it, even if , as you said, Mind hacking is no longer a posibility ,

Thanks. But I do want to make clear, I am not closing my mind to any possibility. If I had to make odds on it, I make "dream-creation" the odds on favorite, but there is no way I am able to eliminate the other possibilities mentioned as well as many that others or myself have not.

[petra]

Exelent post Sam, I guess you nail it, even if , as you said, Mind hacking is no longer a posibility ,

Thanks. But I do want to make clear, I am not closing my mind to any possibility. If I had to make odds on it, I make "dream-creation" the odds on favorite, but there is no way I am able to eliminate the other possibilities mentioned as well as many that others or myself have not.

I'd say both are possible.

I can tell you my thoughts were telling me straight-out that I was "hacked". It really felt like it too, I had zero control over my emotions, but also my train of thought was out of control. I was calling it "hijacking" sometimes too.

I think I know what "doom" feels like. I really don't know what else to call it, it's the most terrible feeling ever, like a rumbling within you that keeps getting louder and closer.

[AutumnW]

Exelent post Sam, I guess you nail it, even if , as you said, Mind hacking is no longer a posibility ,

Thanks. But I do want to make clear, I am not closing my mind to any possibility. If I had to make odds on it, I make "dream-creation" the odds on favorite, but there is no way I am able to eliminate the other possibilities mentioned as well as many that others or myself have not.

Same. I am inclined towards certain assumptions, constrained by personality, my own specific life experiences, and my brain power or lack thereof.

I will try to describe how I view dreams synchronicities, etc..

I think the common understanding of perception involves subjective versus objective. Or...the external world as opposed to what is going on inside. When people try to imagine consciousness, they default to simple models.

I wonder, if instead, greater consciousness is laid out on what we would perceive as the surface of a torus. (Doughnut shape). The interior of the torus represents the subjective realm. Rather than being separate from the objective (outer surface of the torus) it can segue into it. There is no clear division.

This is a metaphorical construct. But if it is used, the dream realm experienced in the inside of the torus, segues easily into what we refer to as the objective world.

This doughnut, torus, tunnel, effect, could explain (in part) why the objective world, comes to more closely resemble the dream realm at times and why supposedly purely mental effects show up in the outer world. Helps to explain synchronicities too.

[Chester]

AutumnW - you may appreciate this brief introduction to Bernardo Kastrup and his book, "Why Materialism is Baloney." He also uses metaphor with similarities to what I have read from some of your posts. As of today, this book has been the best book I have ever read... no exaggeration there.

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[AutumnW]

AutumnW - you may appreciate this brief introduction to Bernardo Kastrup and his book, "Why Materialism is Baloney." He also uses metaphor with similarities to what I have read from some of your posts. As of today, this book has been the best book I have ever read... no exaggeration there.

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Nice video. Thanks for pointing out to me! I was trying to convey something similar (I think). But he explains it much better!
Have you read anything by Arthur Young? Fascinating. He invented the helicopter and also had some intriguing insights about the human soul. To Young, the individuated consciousness is paramount and the journey of refinement, along those lines, essential.

There is a tremendous amount of emphasis on the "all one" construct in spiritual thought. If not properly understood, that idea can obliterate or render irrelevant, the individual's specific character and specific life conditions. We are all independent vortices in that vast body of water, or consciousness -- as the video expresses.

Once when I was mind hacked, I was lying on my bed, drifting in and out of consciousness, when I received a strong suggestion, at a very particular point of lucidity, It said, "hold your mind right there. Freeze, right there, so 'we' can come in."

I jumped to my feet immediately, gave myself a shake and thought, "Hell no!" At about this time there was a lot of chatter in the speculative science community about wormholes in space. Theoretically, it was supposed that we could travel through them, to get from point A to point B and vice versa. Other beings could travel through them to reach us, it was similarly assumed.

After my experience I had the impression that the human mind or maybe even the brain, is used by some other beings to enter our reality or planet and or dreams. They gain entry through us. They can't arrive any other way. That is why it is particularly difficult to delineate what is imaginary from what is purely 'other' traveling through the wormholes of our minds. The inhibitory processes of brain function block access, usually. Not so for those with schizophrenia and to an extent those who are bipolar, who literally begin to live the dream.

[petra]

After my experience I had the impression that the human mind or maybe even the brain, is used by some other beings to enter our reality or planet and or dreams. They gain entry through us. They can't arrive any other way. That is why it is particularly difficult to delineate what is imaginary from what is purely 'other' traveling through the wormholes of our minds. The inhibitory processes of brain function block access, usually. Not so for those with schizophrenia and to an extent those who are bipolar, who literally begin to live the dream.

I get a similar impression. Consider autism too, that so called "disorder" is a really strange one.

I've also considered there could be other beings which communicate without the use of language. Really language is kind of inefficient, when you consider telepathy as an alternative. Dreams seem like a nice safe way of communicating too, I'm not nearly as frightened of nightmares as I am of "day-mares".

[AutumnW]

Hi Petra, such an interesting idea. Dreams are many things and maybe a visual language is part of it. I suppose symbols in dreams could be described as a kind of language -- but it may go beyond that.

And autism is very interesting, too, agreed. Don't know what is going on there. I do know ther is an interactive forum for people who have autism called 'Wrong Planet.' Some of them feel they are so unlike other people, they feel alien.

[Chester]

There is a tremendous amount of emphasis on the "all one" construct in spiritual thought. If not properly understood, that idea can obliterate or render irrelevant, the individual's specific character and specific life conditions. We are all independent vortices in that vast body of water, or consciousness -- as the video expresses.

Once when I was mind hacked, I was lying on my bed, drifting in and out of consciousness, when I received a strong suggestion, at a very particular point of lucidity, It said, "hold your mind right there. Freeze, right there, so 'we' can come in."

I jumped to my feet immediately, gave myself a shake and thought, "Hell no!" At about this time there was a lot of chatter in the speculative science community about wormholes in space. Theoretically, it was supposed that we could travel through them, to get from point A to point B and vice versa. Other beings could travel through them to reach us, it was similarly assumed.

After my experience I had the impression that the human mind or maybe even the brain, is used by some other beings to enter our reality or planet and or dreams. They gain entry through us. They can't arrive any other way. That is why it is particularly difficult to delineate what is imaginary from what is purely 'other' traveling through the wormholes of our minds. The inhibitory processes of brain function block access, usually. Not so for those with schizophrenia and to an extent those who are bipolar, who literally begin to live the dream.

YES

Especially your last paragraph.

This is why I have felt compelled to implement an operational protocol as I describe here -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1085620&viewfull=1#post1085620

I am specifically highlighting how I handle "my thoughts."

It is now my opinion that I cannot be certain all my thoughts originate from the sovereign being I like to believe I am. So I have decided that I would work very hard to examine all my thoughts and decide which ones I am willing to "own." Not an easy thing to do, especially when my actions are sometimes driven by emotions in that there are times the emotions are so powerful that I don't always have the discipline to do this... but in those cases, when I am able to see that the results of my actions are clearly unacceptable, that is when I am faced with taking full responsibility or... finding some excuse to wiggle out of it. As you know, it is becoming all too common in this community for folks to blame any number of forms of third party entities.

I have one simple question to everyone - How will we ever gain (or perhaps regain) true individual sovereignty if we do not also accept 100% full responsibility for all our words and actions? I can't see it possible any other way. The thoughts? That one is solved by taking responsibility for the thoughts I have carefully considered and then decide, "Yes, I am willing to own (take responsibility) that thought." Because once one owns a thought, that thought will influences their words and deeds.

[pugwash84]

I woke up at 2 am one morning to my mother in law stood over my bed and she said to me "Wake up and tell Steve to check his camera" and then she went on to say something about a black box on the table. I woke my partner up and said angry "For crying out loud tell your bloody Dad to check his bloody camera and your Mum is going on about a black box on the table, I wanna go back to bloody sleep, sort it out". I am not the most pleasant of people when tired. I had forgotten that my Mother in law had passed away quite a few years before this happened in my mind at that time she was still alive so I wasn't scared. It wasn't until I had thought about it the next day when my partner had raised the issue and told me that he had asked his Dad to check his camera that I realised I must have spoke to a spirit or ghost of some kind. He checked his camera and was shocked to find the neighbour's child scratching his car on purpose and the black box on the table was a brand new cigarette making machine.

[Sueanne47]

Wow, there must have been a lot of love there, for your mother in law to come through like that. My mum died last september, I've seen all my pictures one day were all on the slant, and constantly see white and black feathers in front of me (never did before) I dont know if that's a sign.

[pugwash84]

I never used to believe in these things but events in my life have changed my perspective xx I totally think that is a sign too with pictures moved and things, Maybe your Mum doesn't want to scare you so just leaves signs like these xx Sometimes I smell tobacco and alcohol and it smells like my Dad who has passed xx not the best of smells but it makes me smile and think of my Dad because it smells just like him :)

[Chester]

Another -

This morning I was not sleeping well. I was coming out of a dream and actually in that state where one is just about to give up on sleeping and agree to wake up.

I heard very clearly a sound much like one would hear in a video game when something happens of significance. It was a string of several notes of electronic noise. the string lasted for less than a second and was perhaps 5 or so notes. I sensed the sound was outside my head to my left (same as the voice experience I mentioned in the OP) yet also, I had a strange feeling the sound may have actually come from in my own head but at the point where sound penetrates my left ear. Meaning that my mind interpreted it this way. I immediately looked at the clock which said 3:32 AM.

I truly never recall ever experiencing anything like this experience and the one I wrote about in the OP.

I will add that I had taken the "Ormus" (a crude home formula mentioned in a previous post) again although I did this very early in the day yesterday.

I am not drawing any conclusions about what I have experienced in these two incidents other than to say that there are similarities in the incidents.

I am going to lay off this Ormus stuff for awhile as I ran out anyways. We will see if another incident occurs.

[petra]

I have one simple question to everyone - How will we ever gain (or perhaps regain) true individual sovereignty if we do not also accept 100% full responsibility for all our words and actions? I can't see it possible any other way. The thoughts? That one is solved by taking responsibility for the thoughts I have carefully considered and then decide, "Yes, I am willing to own (take responsibility) that thought." Because once one owns a thought, that thought will influences their words and deeds.

You're absolutely right Sam, we must accept responsibility. It's no good saying "the devil made me do it", although I do pay attention to those too. If someone thinks the devil made them do something, that's just suspicious. One of the most important pieces of advice which has helped me is "Be firm in your decision making".

[AutumnW]

There is a tremendous amount of emphasis on the "all one" construct in spiritual thought. If not properly understood, that idea can obliterate or render irrelevant, the individual's specific character and specific life conditions. We are all independent vortices in that vast body of water, or consciousness -- as the video expresses.

Once when I was mind hacked, I was lying on my bed, drifting in and out of consciousness, when I received a strong suggestion, at a very particular point of lucidity, It said, "hold your mind right there. Freeze, right there, so 'we' can come in."

I jumped to my feet immediately, gave myself a shake and thought, "Hell no!" At about this time there was a lot of chatter in the speculative science community about wormholes in space. Theoretically, it was supposed that we could travel through them, to get from point A to point B and vice versa. Other beings could travel through them to reach us, it was similarly assumed.

After my experience I had the impression that the human mind or maybe even the brain, is used by some other beings to enter our reality or planet and or dreams. They gain entry through us. They can't arrive any other way. That is why it is particularly difficult to delineate what is imaginary from what is purely 'other' traveling through the wormholes of our minds. The inhibitory processes of brain function block access, usually. Not so for those with schizophrenia and to an extent those who are bipolar, who literally begin to live the dream.

YES

Especially your last paragraph.

This is why I have felt compelled to implement an operational protocol as I describe here -

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1085620&viewfull=1#post1085620

I am specifically highlighting how I handle "my thoughts."

It is now my opinion that I cannot be certain all my thoughts originate from the sovereign being I like to believe I am. So I have decided that I would work very hard to examine all my thoughts and decide which ones I am willing to "own." Not an easy thing to do, especially when my actions are sometimes driven by emotions in that there are times the emotions are so powerful that I don't always have the discipline to do this... but in those cases, when I am able to see that the results of my actions are clearly unacceptable, that is when I am faced with taking full responsibility or... finding some excuse to wiggle out of it. As you know, it is becoming all too common in this community for folks to blame any number of forms of third party entities.

I have one simple question to everyone - How will we ever gain (or perhaps regain) true individual sovereignty if we do not also accept 100% full responsibility for all our words and actions? I can't see it possible any other way. The thoughts? That one is solved by taking responsibility for the thoughts I have carefully considered and then decide, "Yes, I am willing to own (take responsibility) that thought." Because once one owns a thought, that thought will influences their words and deeds.

For sure, we can't claim to be 100% in control of our thoughts, as we can't claim to know what 'thought' even is or where exactly it is or who it is! Dreams even less so.

But we can control our words and actions and understand that we have to accept a great deal of mystery without trying to nail down precise answers. We can speculate but have to be careful about ratcheting conjecture into belief.

I have had total dream creations. 100% completely fabricated by another mimd or minds, or so it seems. I came to a few conclusions about what might be going on, but they are just ideas. The dreams could have been from a friendly being informing me about what was going on with abductions and that I had been abducted as a child OR it could have been theatre designed to support my previously held assumptions and build on them.

[petra]

For sure, we can't claim to be 100% in control of our thoughts, as we can't claim to know what 'thought' even is or where exactly it is or who it is! Dreams even less so.

Well I don't even know if ANY of my dreams are technically "mine"... they're all ridiculous, and I rarely feel like myself in them. One time, there was narration. Another time my dream actually insulted me! Lots of times it feels like propaganda, intended to steer me in some direction I don't want to go in.

Other people all have nice dreams, so of course it leads me to wonder. I already feel like I'm being "tampered with" when I am awake, so probably when I am asleep too, maybe even moreso.



I have had total dream creations. 100% completely fabricated by another mimd or minds, or so it seems. I came to a few conclusions about what might be going on, but they are just ideas. The dreams could have been from a friendly being informing me about what was going on with abductions and that I had been abducted as a child OR it could have been theatre designed to support my previously held assumptions and build on them.

It's all so personal, so hard to say! Where would guessing even get us?

I've pretty much concluded there's something wrong with my dreams... that's about it.

[AutumnW]

The dreamworld is the last frontier. Once we get a glimmer of understanding about what is really going on there, we will have a better take on the thought-world. We are still stuck in the sensation world, I think too focused on feeling, which is more easily analyzed as a series of intersecting endocrine-immune- neurological reactions to experience. Cognitive therapy would suggest that the world of feelings, is a response to the thought realm. So I want to know more a about THAT realm.

[Chester]

For sure, we can't claim to be 100% in control of our thoughts, as we can't claim to know what 'thought' even is or where exactly it is or who it is! Dreams even less so.

But we can control our words and actions and understand that we have to accept a great deal of mystery without trying to nail down precise answers. We can speculate but have to be careful about ratcheting conjecture into belief.

I have had total dream creations. 100% completely fabricated by another mind or minds, or so it seems. I came to a few conclusions about what might be going on, but they are just ideas. The dreams could have been from a friendly being informing me about what was going on with abductions and that I had been abducted as a child OR it could have been theatre designed to support my previously held assumptions and build on them.

I am finally here... at the very place you describe - after almost 59 years. Everything in your post, every point... I am finally here.

The feelings I have about it are... relief the most, but also... somewhat of a sense of resignation but not in any depressing way... it almost feels like I have achieved some true freedom. The freedom from having "to know."

I am content to explore the ever unfolding reality and am satisfied if my subjective experience of "it" is unique to me... that what others are experiencing can be different and... that if so, this is OK.

I feel I have returned more than ever to that wonderment I used to experience when young.

I have also learned (finally) how "to be" with regards to the friends I make in this community. How to listen... how to honor the stories of others. How also to draw the line when exploitation of the vulnerable becomes so obvious I have to say something yet then, to move on down the road as I have with a most recent case.

I always know I am in a good "zone" made up of states I enjoy experiencing the most when the synchronicities arise... and lately they have been and have done so most profoundly.