After School Satan Club

[Builder]

The daily WTF??

"the group’s plan for public schoolchildren isn’t actually about promoting worship of the devil. The Satanic Temple doesn’t espouse a belief in the existence of a supernatural being that other religions identify solemnly as Satan, or Lucifer, or Beelzebub. The Temple rejects all forms of supernaturalism and is committed to the view that scientific rationality provides the best measure of reality"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/an-after-school-satan-club-could-be-coming-to-your-kids-elementary-school/2016/07/30/63f485e6-5427-11e6-88eb-7dda4e2f2aec_story.html

[pugwash84]

My daughter attends a Christian school so they wouldn't allow it there but there are other schools that have no religion in them at all not sure if they would embrace this as it is a cult/religion of sorts. Seems a bit attention seeking to me. Why can't they do something fun and caring like volunteering to look after shelter animals or visiting the elderly.

[DeDukshyn]

It's a statement to keep religion out of schools. The schools have "Good News" clubs which are hardcore Christian clubs utilizing the school's resources to exist. These people want religion left out of schools, but to demonstrate how schools allow or support the cultivation of specific religious views only, the "After school Satan's club" only wants the same support that is offered to one other religion but no others.



“While the Good News Clubs focus on indoctrination, instilling children with a fear of hell and God’s wrath, After School Satan Clubs will focus on free inquiry and rationalism,” Greaves said. “We prefer to give children an appreciation of the natural wonders surrounding them, not a fear of an everlasting other-worldly horror.”


Greaves is blunt: “We are only doing this because Good News Clubs have created a need for this. If Good News Clubs would operate in churches rather than public schools, that need would disappear. But our point is that if you let one religion into the public schools you have to let others, otherwise it’s an establishment of religion.”

However, if one let's their bias and emotions get in the way (or doesn't read the article properly in favour of having their emotions pulled at be sensationalist headlines), the real message gets lost in emotional reaction. I agree with the "Satanists" - keep religion out of public school.

[petra]

However, if one let's their bias and emotions get in the way (or doesn't read the article properly in favour of having their emotions pulled at be sensationalist headlines), the real message gets lost in emotional reaction. I agree with the "Satanists" - keep religion out of public school.

LOL @ Agree with the "Satanists" haha, Oh my!!

Laughing at Satan is a great start, let us hope it does not produce more "Miniature Satans" though, there's enough of those already :Angel:

[DeDukshyn]

[QUOTE=DeDukshyn;1086586]
... let us hope it does not produce more "Miniature Satans" though, there's enough of those already :Angel:

Inerestingly, far more "little satans" were raised in a "Christian" home with "Christian" values than any "satanists" ever raised, or you can look into what life was like for the native children stolen from their families and placed into "residential schools" (run by churches) ... I never read much into what is expected of me to believe regarding labels. Hence I can say - keep religion out of public schools, and agree with these "satanists" (I actually read the article) -- it is about agreeing with the principle - never the labels (not for me) - these days I find much falseness in labels). Never about what I'm "expected" to believe or not believe.

[petra]

... let us hope it does not produce more "Miniature Satans" though, there's enough of those already :Angel:

Inerestingly, far more "little satans" were raised in a "Christian" home with "Christian" values than any "satanists" ever raised, or you can look into what life was like for the native children stolen from their families and placed into "residential schools" (run by churches) ... I never read much into what is expected of me to believe regarding labels. Hence I can say - keep religion out of public schools, and agree with these "satanists" (I actually read the article) -- it is about agreeing with the principle - never the labels (not for me) - these days I find much falseness in labels). Never about what I'm "expected" to believe or not believe.

I believe that! I'm a Christian, but that doesn't mean I agree with all of the other ones. The amount of atrocities committed in the name of God might even be more than in the name of Satan!

I grew up with no religion, so in the Catholic school where I went, I didn't have to take the Christianity class, but I went anyway because I enjoyed listening. Children who are in a religious school but have no religion should all have that right to "not attend" the religion class if they do not want to. Then it gets back to the parents again - if they care about their child's freedom, let them "opt-out" of that religion class.

[DeDukshyn]

... let us hope it does not produce more "Miniature Satans" though, there's enough of those already :Angel:

Inerestingly, far more "little satans" were raised in a "Christian" home with "Christian" values than any "satanists" ever raised, or you can look into what life was like for the native children stolen from their families and placed into "residential schools" (run by churches) ... I never read much into what is expected of me to believe regarding labels. Hence I can say - keep religion out of public schools, and agree with these "satanists" (I actually read the article) -- it is about agreeing with the principle - never the labels (not for me) - these days I find much falseness in labels). Never about what I'm "expected" to believe or not believe.

I believe that! I'm a Christian, but that doesn't mean I agree with all of the other ones. The amount of atrocities committed in the name of God might even be more than in the name of Satan!

I grew up with no religion, so in the Catholic school where I went, I didn't have to take the Christianity class, but I went anyway because I enjoyed listening. Children who are in a religious school but have no religion should all have that right to "not attend" the religion class if they do not want to. Then it gets back to the parents again - if they care about their child's freedom, let them "opt-out" of that religion class.

I was born and raised in a rather Christian family, but I couldn't find much true spirituality there - True and proper spirituality is hard to find, likely mostly due to the fact that one can't just read some passages or recite the ritualistic oath "I believe Jesus is the one true God and saviour of my soul" and be spiritual, or even a good person. There's not really any effect; so I highly do not believe in the " ... say this and go and enjoy the pleasures of heaven, even if you are a serial rapist ...", and then be magically a better person or have some new spiritual insight - it doesn't happen that way. The words of Jesus were correct, but so grossly misused, misinterpreted and misconstrued by religion in order to control people better - the only reason. In this process, the spiritually valid things Jesus was trying to tell us have been completely lost or washed over.

That said, religion, at the "consumer" level, is wonderful for community, friendship, support, etc. I fully support it in this regard. Not sure about satanists though - I don't know any - but judging by this article, they seem ... practical, without spirituality.

[petra]

so I highly do not believe in the " ... say this and go and enjoy the pleasures of heaven, even if you are a serial rapist ..."

SICK! Me either. What a thought. That's so awful I am actually laughing, seriously though! P-words and rapists need to get what they deserve, which in my opinion is castration.



and then be magically a better person or have some new spiritual insight - it doesn't happen that way. The words of Jesus were correct, but so grossly misused, misinterpreted and misconstrued by religion in order to control people better - the only reason. In this process, the spiritually valid things Jesus was trying to tell us have been completely lost or washed over.


I like your subtle cynicism there, I feel it too. Magically, agggh! That word again! There's "no such thing" as magic as far as I am concerned, and if it was up to me I'd delete it from the dictionary :)



That said, religion, at the "consumer" level, is wonderful for community, friendship, support, etc. I fully support it in this regard. Not sure about satanists though - I don't know any - but judging by this article, they seem ... practical, without spirituality.

Well I've read a little, it's not as awful as you'd think. I don't condemn anyone for calling themselves a "Satanist", I don't really think that's what it's coming across as. Seems like a joke to me though. I imagine the invisible devil lurking in the background saying "Get em into the cults, quick, while they're still little!" ha ha ha

[OMG]

Satanism should be utterly eradicated from the face of Arrakis!

That's about all that needs to be said...

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[DeDukshyn]

Satanism should be utterly eradicated from the face of Arrakis!

That's about all that needs to be said...

:wizard:

I assume you have vast inside knowledge about the "religion? (and how it relates to this article)" ... or are you spouting automated response based on expectations of response to a label? Did you read the article?

I'm not defending satanism, just a thorough process in critical thinking / rationale.

[bogeyman]

It is a collective, also a vessel for control, whether it is Satan Club or other types of Clubs. In this case whoever formed this Club or going to form similar Clubs, will under estimate the consequences of their actions. Things such as this attracts attention from all quarters.

[OMG]

Satanism should be utterly eradicated from the face of Arrakis!

That's about all that needs to be said...

:wizard:

I assume you have vast inside knowledge about the "religion? (and how it relates to this article)" ... or are you spouting automated response based on expectations of response to a label? Did you read the article?

I'm not defending satanism, just a thorough process in critical thinking / rationale.

Religion shouldn't be part of secular Government Institutions (although spirit is in everything and everything is spirit). If people want religion in their educational facilities, etc, then they can have their choice of religious based schooling.

That said, Satanism (watered down or not, rhetoric or not) is about as much of a religion as a serial killer is a human being...

[ZooLife]

That said, Satanism (watered down or not, rhetoric or not) is about as much of a religion as a serial killer is a human being...

That is solely based on one's definition of what religion is. A charged word religion, that is why there are so many.

I say believe what one wants to believe in what constitute a religion and what doesn't. Hell, we can make that a religion too. ;)

[Cidersomerset]

As long as there is no devil worship , sexual or other abuse,mind control , satanic
ritual sacrifice , regalia , prayer or other reptilian rituals associated with other cults
and religions should be fine . There are many sects in religions and athiests can
do what they will in private or among themselves. It gets complicated if we think
we are all eternal 'gods' experiencing this reality. There are many ways to look at
this at different levels. But on the basic media/religious level everyone should be
wary about any of this......


Satan is Saturn......David has done many interviews about religions and
how it been used as a control meme , this is from around 2008 so his
views may of slightly changed with more on going research. Other researchers
and religious scholars would have different views.

David Icke - Religion

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David discusses the conspiracy at top of the religious institutions.

David Icke - Satanic Ritual
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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89822-David-Icke-Reptilian-Advanced-Technology-Enslaves-Humanity-Transhumanism-agenda-Just-Energy-Radio

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65361-The-Beauty-Majesty-of-SATURN.......Viewpoint-Saturn-snapped-as-Earth-smiled

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Satanic Temple rolls out after-school program for kids

By David on 2 August 2016 GMT Satanism

RT NEWS.....

Satanic Temple rolls out after-school program for kids
Published time: 1 Aug, 2016 12:57
Edited time: 1 Aug, 2016 18:00

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‘The Satanic Temple (TST) is planning to bring Lucifer to school by
rolling out extra-curricular clubs across the US. ‘After School Satan’
is the Temple’s response to a Supreme Court ruling allowing evangelical
religious programs to operate in schools.
Currently, nine clubs are listed as participating in the program including
Los Angeles, Salt Lake City and Washington DC. The clubs will focus on
“rationalism, free inquiry… and fun,” according to a promotional video.’

Read more: Satanic Temple rolls out after-school program for kids

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I knew I should not have started down this rabbit hole...LOL I was looking for
some short vids as David goes into more detail in the larger vids and presentations.

DAVID ICKE:The Religion Pyramid - Sell Them a Religion, Make Them Believe

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Published on 3 Jul 2011
An excerpt from David Icke Beyond the cutting edge (2008) in London

Dan Dicks interviews David Icke on Satanism and Demonic Possession

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[Matthew]

If its a celebration of atheism why not call it after school atheists club

[Beany]

If its a celebration of atheism why not call it after school atheists club

I was thinking the same... I'm sure the name was chosen to ruffle feathers. If it were called something like "the open mind club" it would draw far less attention and few would see it as threatening. The word "satan", seems to carry quite a punch. As already stated above.... it's the labels.

[DeDukshyn]

If its a celebration of atheism why not call it after school atheists club

Because the point is about "religion" in schools - While I see atheism as a bit like unorganized religion, most people would not.

[Matthew]

Why confuse satanism with atheism? One is religious the other anti-religion. It's almost like they don't believe satanism exists outside their parody

[Carmody]

Satan is a title and job description, not a specific named being or whatnot. Like cop, or chef, or pilot.

A satan was a justice of the peace who was appointed, with abilities or powers or whatnot..whom delivered the judgement of the gods.

Saturn is the black sun, or the great father, the limiter. Eat your peas and vegetables, before dessert, do your homework, etc. and all the awful extremes of such expression.

Seeing a satan was considered to bad news, as usually the decisions of the gods had someone or some group ending up dead, displaced, etc. Or worse.

The important point is that a satan ---is not Lucifer. Ain't got nuthin' to do with Lucifer.

The satan thing is modern ignorance run rampant. (not that I found and understood this difference at birth, or anything so trite)

Lucifer was the angel of the dawn, and in astrology this is the ascendant, the astrological point of total I/O coloration of the addition of the soul into the body/avatar. The point of the sun on the horizon when the person was born, described by the astrological degree it was at, during the exact moment of birth.

This given exact degree becomes the input/output filter for the body/avatar, described as that astrological degree's given nature...and it's connectivity to the astrological chart of the individual. Sun position at birth, then ascendant and moon position. Those three are considered to be the most important or influencing aspects. Not specifically always true, but so potent that they are indeed exactly that, the top three. The ascendant is also known as 'the rising sign'. (http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrology/2013/09/in-an-astrology-chart-which-is-more-important-the-sun-sign-or-the-rising-sign.html) See the connection?

[petra]

If its a celebration of atheism why not call it after school atheists club

Because the point is about "religion" in schools - While I see atheism as a bit like unorganized religion, most people would not.

I never thought of it that way!

I've come to respect many more Athiests than I have Christians, and I know why too. They're more apt to question things :)

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The important point is that a satan ---is not Lucifer. Ain't got nuthin' to do with Lucifer.

I feel like I need to clap. *applause*

I used to think Lucifer was "The Devil" because that's what I was being taught. Oh my.

[DbDraad]

Satanism at best is an atheist mockery of Christianity and at worst, Devil worship. Here where I live, in Sunny South Africa, you can ask most people in law enforcement about the influence of Satanism in occult murders and crimes. As a Christian, I believe Satan is the father of lies and his best angle was to convince the world that he does not exist and that all religions are false and a human invention. Satanism is an open mockery of Christ and although I believe in the freedom of religion and that all religion should be kept out of our schools (and your's there in the rest of the world) I find it frightening that non-religions like Atheism, Darwinism and even Satanism are allowed to be anti-religion in our schools. You protect children from religion, but leave them unprotected against other harmful influences under the guise of whatever. How are they supposed to make informed decisions about life if they only get one side of the story? Looks like double standards to me...and a master stroke by the Devil???

[petra]

Looks like double standards to me...and a master stroke by the Devil???

Yeah, he's sneaky alright! Leave it to the Devil to aim for the little ones.

[Justplain]

As the saying goes, 'the devil is in the details', and the other great quote is 'satan's greatest achievement was convincing everybody he doesnt exist'.

If this club is non-religious, then why are they using a highly-charged name from religion? Alarm bells are ringing.

Even though these frauds claim to be materialistic and scientific, the satanic church certainly does believe in the existence of the spirit world. They just dont want anyone else to know, so that they are the only ones exploring supernatural spiritual experiences. Their focus is on power and control, that's why the cabal are reportedly satanists, power hunger control freaks.

Dont let this bunch fool you. Most of western society has been convinced that human beings are materialistic, mortal apes with no higher consciousness or soul. Do you believe this?

As stated elsewhere in this thread, the legacy religions for the most part have failed to develop soul awareness in their members, and restrictive control mechanisms have been intalled in their dogma. In the meantime there has been a persistent tide of materialism and atheism that sweeps thru the world, with additional attempts to erode the existence of the nuclear family and any proper spiritual development. As spiritual awareness recedes and the nuclear family is fractured, the individual, particularly children and young people, become isolated, potential victims who are vulnerable to manipulation and negative influence. This satan's club is aiming to 'groom' children for exposure later to true satanism, in its inhuman, grotesque cruelty.

What a shame if anyone enroles their poor children in this crap.

[shaberon]

It's a reaction to "The Good News Club".

http://thesatanictemple.com/

Nothing very bizarre, unless you want to dispute their disputation about abuse memories released by hypnotism. Mostly it's scientific, reasonable, compassionate questioning of authority.

[bogeyman]

Some are often involved with matters such as these without understanding the background or its depths, by the time some become enlightened it is too late and it can effect their lives in ways previously un thought of. Never mess with something you do not understand, it s often contrary to your own wellbeing and it will effect others around you.

[Ines]

We are talking here about Elementary School. THE ONLY ONES that shoud have a saying about kid´s that age, is THEIR PARENT´S; they should be the only ones in charge or responsible for their kids Spiritual belief System. They would choose on their own when they reach their adult age. There´s enough messing around with their minds by tv, electronic gadgets and sickening and violent games aloud by sick mind parents.

[petra]

Never mess with something you do not understand, it s often contrary to your own wellbeing and it will effect others around you.

Hi bogeyman, I just said the same thing in another thread! I feel the same way as you do.

However there's a bit of a caveat - if we do not mess with what we do not understand, how will we ever understand it?

[Flash]

It is sooooo sad that in order to have kids develop critical thinking (which means being able to analyse and deduct/induct, not learning to be able to criticize emotionally as many think critical thinking is), the word Satan has to be used. Can you see how far gone is a society for which the only alternative presented for using your brain is a Satanistic background. No wonder the fondamentalist christians will kick and scream. Once again, division through polarities instead of real critical thinking.

[Flash]

The content of the club courses maybe scientific, reasonable and compassionate, but, nevertheless, you have the name Satan repeated on a daily basis showing the kids it is THE WAY to have fun and be intelligent.

And it is using opposition to the christians fundamentalists approaches. (i use the term fundamentalist willingly, because religious bigotry, be it Muslim, Christian or Jewish, is the same, namely bigotry).



It's a reaction to "The Good News Club".

http://thesatanictemple.com/

Nothing very bizarre, unless you want to dispute their disputation about abuse memories released by hypnotism. Mostly it's scientific, reasonable, compassionate questioning of authority.

[Cidersomerset]

post from another thread....

Part of me feels as individual eternal beings 'gods' we are entitled to believe what
we like and freedom of worship or not comes into that. That is fine until it intrudes
on others who are being exploited unknowingly , or do not believe we are
all eternal beings experiencing this reality for contrast, and there is no need to give
your power of freewill to any religion or sect , unless you want to. The problem is
that most people are still lost in the labyrinth of the various control structures set
up in this reality to greet us on arrival at birth to keep us under control while we
are here.

Some spiritual teaching is fine to help us while we are here but over the centuries it
has developed into religious rivalries into who's got the best deity to worship. It
possibly started with a creator race or ET contact as told in the Sumerian tablets
and other epics including the bible . But when sacrifice and total obedience
raise their heads as they do from time to time as with the Taliban , ISIS and
various other pagan , Christian sects and others its time to draw the line imo....

Which brings me to an article I just posted on a couple other threads. Again
freedom of will/worship comes into conflict with being exploited. If you knowingly
want to be exploited , well that's one thing and many other examples can come into
this category. But if it leads to real sacrifice or mind control of the unwary thats another.



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‘Hail Satan’: Alaskan council meeting opens with prayer to Lucifer

By David on 14 August 2016 GMT Satanism

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‘The mundanity of a local council meeting in Alaska was astonishingly broken
when a decision to open up the forum to all religions resulted in a Satanist
presenting the opening prayer – to Lucifer.

When the local government of Kenai Borough decided to welcome other faiths
to their assemblies they probably didn’t envisage opening up their doors to the
Lord of Darkness.

On Tuesday, Iris Fontana – reportedly a member of the Satanic Temple
organization that views Satan as a symbol for rebellion and rational inquiry
– gave the assembly invocation usually reserved for pastors.’

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Assembly members of Kenai Peninsula Borough stand for Satanic Temple
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Read more: ‘Hail Satan’: Alaskan council meeting opens with prayer to Lucifer

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[chanda]

https://www.rt.com/usa/360434-satan-school-clubs-america/

[Justplain]

The fundamental ethos of a satanic church is depravation of people's rights. For instance, they believe in human sacrifice, etc. They should not be allowed in schools simply on the basis that their basic principles violate peoples' civil rights. End of story.

[ElfeMya]

This is just insane...