Sexual relationships with beings from other dimensions

[justice]

I'm a bit confused on this subject in regard to people (on other forums) claiming to have sexual relationships with beings from dimensions that are outside of our own, such as angelic beings, archangels, or other beings of a higher consciousness, and being convinced that this is ok to do and that these beings are who they say they are. While I appreciate responses from everyone, I am specifically interested in responses from people that have established contact or have an ongoing connection to beings of a higher consciousness or to their own higher self. I personally suspect that many people are being mislead into thinking that it is ok, but then I am very new to this all and have very little experience in matters such as these.

Is there a rule or law in this universe that says that such relationships or experiences are forbidden, dangerous, or dark in nature and/or part of a darker path, and that they separate or disconnect one from their higher path/higher consciousness?

Are those people most likely dealing with low vibration beings from the negative end of the spectrum? Are they being deceived?

Your insight is greatly appreciated.

Thank You

[raff]

Dear Nelson I would classify all sexual contacts of this nature as lower dimensional dark, mischievous beings excepting the Hieros Gamos. Google these two words as they are found in the oldest traditions. But this experience/connection depends as I understand it on history and lineage both personal and inherited or initiated in an a association like an order or group. It is interesting to note that this "divine union" is found in the oldest nature based traditions as well as other more recent traditions. These marriages are contracts in effect and the diverse traditions which this "ceremony" is found seems to point to different "sources" ie/ god/esses. And if one is aware of the conflicts and wars of the last 50 million of years or so on this planet Joy then this act has been used as a weapon of war in destroying one tradition and establishing another.
But as an aside the Buddha was apparently conceived when a white elephants tusk pierced the side of the Buddha's mother in a dream. Some say it was the angel Gabriel that touched Mary in the conceiving of Jesus. Also merlin the wizard was also known as "the man with no father". There isnt a lot of info to read up on this subject as you would imagine as this process seems to be a secret.
I'm guessing that those lineages to this day are reinvigorated with this act to further or accomplish the original purpose, goals and commitments of those disparate groups both dark and light.

[Deega]

Hi Nelson, a Warm Welcome to Avalon Forum, I wish you a Wonderful Scientific and Spiritual Journey here.

May you share what exactly you're talking about, is it a real sexual relation with a human as we know it with another physical non-Earth being?, OR, is it a sexual relation in the astral world?, OR, a sexual relation emanating in one dream?, OR, some other sexual relation you have read in other Discussion Forums?

Best of experience here!

[TargeT]

You're asking some very deep questions my friend.


How about this (in return) is there such a thing as good or evil?

Should this experience be only limited to one side of the spectrum?

are you a part of, or separate from the Whole?

I don't think that you can obtain a definitive answer to your question & if you do get one, I'll play devils advocate and show you the short comings of that stance on the topic.

[lake]

Well now....lake stops typing and with a mischievous grin turns round to look directly at TargeT....... I do have a seemingly to me, intermittent connection with a greater memory than I have in this limitation but I have never felt a sexual nature to said entanglement.

Regarding entanglements though there could be a possible yearning for past lived lives? There is a great deal of written thoughts on 'soul mates', so if one part of a singular pair was incarnate and the other was not....then who can say that a meeting between them could not be construed by the currently 3 dimensional part as a sexual union? It being to that limited awareness as an intimate act!

On a different level, I have been in this current world but at a slightly different vibration/frequency and I know (of course this is from my perspective/memory and I have no way to prove it) that 'others' can interact with physical beings here, because I did! Not in a sexual way may I add, but I think that would have been possible if I had wanted! I had all the same senses as when human but I couldn't be seen, could walk through wall, float around etc. Bit like a poltergeist I suppose. The passing of time was the same though.
Now I did see 'others' like me there (this was on a street in London, current years) and they were definitely NOT nice, If they ever acted in a immoral manner, taking advantage of humans, I do not know but I would state again.......they were not nice beings!

Then of course you have dreams. Now are the current lives we each lead a form of dream? I do not know but I did when I was in my twenties have a dream of having sex with princess Diana. I of course never asked her if on the same night she had dreamed of me! Well you just wouldn't ask would you. Say you had a dream of a work colleague, I am quite certain that the next day you wouldn't tell them about it....but who can say that they didn't have the same dream as you?

We could also look at the inherent nature of 'our' creative side as awareness.
So we could say that some people may manifest such an entity as demons, angels etc whom have sexual acts with them but they do not release that they are creating the experience themselves? This may be a form of self punishment or self fulfillment? Seems a bit far out but all of our unique experiences are only within each of us. I cant know your life as I have not 'yet' lived it.

So we have both positive and negative probabilities. Personally I can conceive that both are correct.

….lake stops typing, sits back and thinks “I am going to get such a kicking for this but its worth it to see what he says” ….... lol

[TargeT]

Well now....lake stops typing and with a mischievous grin turns round to look directly at TargeT....... I do have a seemingly to me, intermittent connection with a greater memory than I have in this limitation but I have never felt a sexual nature to said entanglement.

Same here, but then I've never experienced what some would call "merging with source" which apparently is an extremely blissful experience.

What is "sexual nature" really? desire? attraction? seeking the brief "bliss" of orgasm; certainly there is some form of "legacy" building there as well.. none of these seem inherently good or bad & I wouldn't condemn an experience that involves "sex or sexuality" just because it's "sexual". I'm more interested in why sex was always demonized by organized "everything"--- that is much more interesting to me as an avid contrarian.


Regarding entanglements though there could be a possible yearning for past lived lives? There is a great deal of written thoughts on 'soul mates', so if one part of a singular pair was incarnate and the other was not....then who can say that a meeting between them could not be construed by the currently 3 dimensional part as a sexual union? It being to that limited awareness as an intimate act!

Very possible, I suppose the context of the interaction should be examined at that point for clarity.




Then of course you have dreams. Now are the current lives we each lead a form of dream?

Or a simulation.. there is a distinct possibility that we are in a simulation currently.


We could also look at the inherent nature of 'our' creative side as awareness.
So we could say that some people may manifest such an entity as demons, angels etc whom have sexual acts with them but they do not release that they are creating the experience themselves? This may be a form of self punishment or self fulfillment? Seems a bit far out but all of our unique experiences are only within each of us.......
So we have both positive and negative probabilities. Personally I can conceive that both are correct.

Depends on the "theory of everything" you subscribe to.

If string theory and the "multiverse" are right, then EVERY possibility ever exists.

If we are "source" objectively experiencing our selves... wouldn't it be "wrong" to not experience the so called "negative" or "evil" experiences along with the "positive" or "good" (though again, every possibility would exist if source were to fully explore itself)?

I have far too many questions I need answered before I comment on good and evil (especially when sex is mixed in, Western society for the most part has been heavily indoctrinated on that subject); just thought I'd bring a bit of my uncertainty to the table.

perspective, perspective...

[Sunny-side-up]

Don't forget, we are multi-dimensional beings.

Multi-dimensional, think on that in depth.

We are here and now in our lower density, this is how we mainly think, that this is who we are, but we are far more than this here and now, we are here and there and inbetween all the same time.

[petra]

Is there a rule or law in this universe that says that such relationships or experiences are forbidden, dangerous, or dark in nature and/or part of a darker path, and that they separate or disconnect one from their higher path/higher consciousness?

Well.. if there were a rule or law, it wouldn't be happening? I don't mean to sound snide, it really does seem like some kind of trick to me.



Are those people most likely dealing with low vibration beings from the negative end of the spectrum? Are they being deceived?

I think it depends on the case. Personally I think I may be in contact with some kind of foolish thing that "likes" me, but it's not sexual in any way. I should probably state too that I am an asexual person who really has no desire for that type of thing.

Now in my case, I think I may be dealing with some sort of "Jinni" type of thing (referenced from Islamic religion) because I have noticed when I first began to research the topic of Jinn possession, a lot of frightening things began to happen to me. Consider though, this word is just something to look by, you could just as easily call it "invisible things" but you would find less Google results.

Assuming those things are real, and they do have free will like we do, I consider the possibility that some could be friendly.

[petra]

There is a great deal of written thoughts on 'soul mates', so if one part of a singular pair was incarnate and the other was not....then who can say that a meeting between them could not be construed by the currently 3 dimensional part as a sexual union? It being to that limited awareness as an intimate act!

I think you're onto something there lake, that would still be a manipulation though in a way though wouldn't it. No one likes being manipulated!

Soul mates are an interesting concept nonetheless, I'd just like to think that if I had a soul mate it'd be a human one :)

[lake]

I would think that each of your responses need to be considered individually, because there is so very much within each to fathom, so....



What is "sexual nature" really? desire? attraction? seeking the brief "bliss" of orgasm; certainly there is some form of "legacy" building there as well.. none of these seem inherently good or bad & I wouldn't condemn an experience that involves "sex or sexuality" just because it's "sexual". I'm more interested in why sex was always demonized by organized "everything"--- that is much more interesting to me as an avid contrarian.


What is sex?
There was of late a kind of 'political correctness' issue regarding a mother kissing their child on the lips. Of course no sexual nature exists in this act for a normal (difficult to quantify these days but lets continue) parent but the act of a kiss on the lips has connotations of being the most intimate act possible.
Many people pay for sex but supposedly you cannot pay to be kissed? Whether this is correct I do not know.......maybe I am just recalling the film 'Pretty Women'?

These days, well actually before this time, intimate affection and therefore the allowance of sex comes only by monetary gain for many.

from 1986 I believe:
szM7x0N9Ru4

No romance without finance.......a classic line and one they may of had back in Sodom or Gomorrah?
Circles circles circles!

But back to the point...It would seem to me that the actual act of intercourse for a man is an act of domination over another and elevation of self ego in order to maintain a self perception of societies doctrines that have been build over time? Or something like that.

For a woman......its actually the same thing built by societies inclusion of her in her own perceived self need or want. Or something like that.

And I could state that for either the man or the woman, both are delusional.

Actually I need to consider vastly more because I am right now being affected by my own indoctrinations!
Even this one question is very difficult to place within a singular 'box'.

[petra]

It is interesting to note that this "divine union" is found in the oldest nature based traditions as well as other more recent traditions. These marriages are contracts in effect and the diverse traditions which this "ceremony" is found seems to point to different "sources" ie/ god/esses. And if one is aware of the conflicts and wars of the last 50 million of years or so on this planet Joy then this act has been used as a weapon of war in destroying one tradition and establishing another.

Marriage as a weapon?! What a thought, and if true, I'd consider that to be an atrocity.

[petra]

But back to the point...It would seem to me that the actual act of intercourse for a man is an act of domination over another and elevation of self ego in order to maintain a self perception of societies doctrines that have been build over time? Or something like that.

For a woman......its actually the same thing built by societies inclusion of her in her own perceived self need or want. Or something like that.

I can see how it could be considered dominating from a man's perspective... (yuck)

From my own personal perspective, I'd just like to add that sex can be used like a "tool" as well. I was doing just exactly that for a while, without even realizing!

Over the course of time, I've come to the conclusion I just don't want any "stuff in me" and that's that :)

[raff]

It is interesting to note that this "divine union" is found in the oldest nature based traditions as well as other more recent traditions. These marriages are contracts in effect and the diverse traditions which this "ceremony" is found seems to point to different "sources" ie/ god/esses. And if one is aware of the conflicts and wars of the last 50 million of years or so on this planet Joy then this act has been used as a weapon of war in destroying one tradition and establishing another.

Marriage as a weapon?! What a thought, and if true, I'd consider that to be an atrocity.

I like reading the books by Robert Shapiro especially the Explorer race series in which and this is slightly off topic the war between the sexes according to his account actually happened. The females won the war but the overseers of this failed experiment wanted to have another go but change some of the circumstances in order to make it work between the sexes (both sexes originally individually reproduced themselves)
The male race only consented if they were allowed to get their revenge on the female race and the females demanded that they maintained the right and control to give birth.
That war is still somewhat ongoing and it is still being played out to this day. It beggars belief how many issues/karma we humans have to process and resolve through this body and mind which are not even of our own making but inherited. I can believe that There is a deep manipulation of the human consciousness in this matrix of predation but a lot of the rubbish and hardship we go through in my opinion seems to be of a social experiment whereby all the unresolved crap (not just of this universe as some have suggested) gets poured into 3D where we the physical beings have to process and make a use of it.

[justice]

I would classify all sexual contacts of this nature as lower dimensional dark, mischievous beings excepting the Hieros Gamos. Google these two words as they are found in the oldest traditions. But this experience/connection depends as I understand it on history and lineage both personal and inherited or initiated in an a association like an order or group. It is interesting to note that this "divine union" is found in the oldest nature based traditions as well as other more recent traditions. These marriages are contracts in effect and the diverse traditions which this "ceremony" is found seems to point to different "sources" ie/ god/esses.

Thank you raff. I have read a little about Hieros Gamos but will definitely research that topic more. How would we know whether the "divine union" is in fact coming from a divine source and not being initiated and orchestrated by an intelligent lower dimensional, dark, mischievous being? Couldn't some lower dimensional/dark beings change their appearance at will to something we consider "divine", such as an angel, the virgin Mary, etc and even project feelings of bliss and joy in us but in a false way?

[justice]

Hi Nelson, a Warm Welcome to Avalon Forum, I wish you a Wonderful Scientific and Spiritual Journey here.

May you share what exactly you're talking about, is it a real sexual relation with a human as we know it with another physical non-Earth being?, OR, is it a sexual relation in the astral world?, OR, a sexual relation emanating in one dream?, OR, some other sexual relation you have read in other Discussion Forums?

Best of experience here!

Thank you Deega. I'm glad I found this place. I'm talking about a real sexual relation between a physical human as we know it and a non-physical being that we cannot see with our waking eyes, such as a Spirit or ET or anything else that would fall into that category. This would be happening while awake.

[justice]

How about this (in return) is there such a thing as good or evil?

Should this experience be only limited to one side of the spectrum?

are you a part of, or separate from the Whole?

I don't think that you can obtain a definitive answer to your question & if you do get one, I'll play devils advocate and show you the short comings of that stance on the topic.


Thank you TargeT. I've been experiencing some very troubling, interesting, weird things for almost two years now and have been hesitant to ask them in any discussion forum, until now. I'm glad I finally asked. I have very limited understanding about the big picture, so I can only speak from the perspective of a regular person here on Earth who is not yet enlightened.

As I understand it, the concept of good and evil/light and dark/right and wrong takes on a different meaning the higher you go up in dimensions, consciousness, and vibration? So to those beings even the acts which we consider to be evil and despicable they see as necessary in order to create balance? So our suffering is necessary?

I guess the experience wouldn't be limited to the lower end of the spectrum if there is such a thing as Hieros Gamos or a "divine union", but how would we know which is which?

Right now I still feel separate from the Whole. I am trying to understand that I am a part of it.

[justice]

I think it depends on the case. Personally I think I may be in contact with some kind of foolish thing that "likes" me, but it's not sexual in any way. I should probably state too that I am an asexual person who really has no desire for that type of thing.

Now in my case, I think I may be dealing with some sort of "Jinni" type of thing (referenced from Islamic religion) because I have noticed when I first began to research the topic of Jinn possession, a lot of frightening things began to happen to me. Consider though, this word is just something to look by, you could just as easily call it "invisible things" but you would find less Google results.

Assuming those things are real, and they do have free will like we do, I consider the possibility that some could be friendly.

Thank you Petra. I also am starting to think it depends on the case and is not a simple black and white issue.

[raff]

I would classify all sexual contacts of this nature as lower dimensional dark, mischievous beings excepting the Hieros Gamos. Google these two words as they are found in the oldest traditions. But this experience/connection depends as I understand it on history and lineage both personal and inherited or initiated in an a association like an order or group. It is interesting to note that this "divine union" is found in the oldest nature based traditions as well as other more recent traditions. These marriages are contracts in effect and the diverse traditions which this "ceremony" is found seems to point to different "sources" ie/ god/esses.

Thank you raff. I have read a little about Hieros Gamos but will definitely research that topic more. How would we know whether the "divine union" is in fact coming from a divine source and not being initiated and orchestrated by an intelligent lower dimensional, dark, mischievous being? Couldn't some lower dimensional/dark beings change their appearance at will to something we consider "divine", such as an angel, the virgin Mary, etc and even project feelings of bliss and joy in us but in a false way?

I have read an account by a Japanese shaman that he is able at will to look into any spirit and see beyond the glamour that the spirit wishes to project. It is a question of spiritual power that most human beings do not possess this ability.

My rule of thumb in this regard is that the Hieros Gamos (not the invoking of a divinity to enter a sexual union between a man and a woman in order to conceive of a divine or higher consciousness child which was the Egyptian traditional way) but an actual divinity entering into sexual congress with a human is that this sexual act need only be done once for obvious reasons. If one is repeatedly experiencing sexual union with a spirit that one may think is divine it would be obvious to me that this is a perverse spirit so this is easy to classify. I hope this helps.

[raff]

How about this (in return) is there such a thing as good or evil?

Should this experience be only limited to one side of the spectrum?

are you a part of, or separate from the Whole?

I don't think that you can obtain a definitive answer to your question & if you do get one, I'll play devils advocate and show you the short comings of that stance on the topic.


Thank you TargeT. I've been experiencing some very troubling, interesting, weird things for almost two years now and have been hesitant to ask them in any discussion forum, until now. I'm glad I finally asked. I have very limited understanding about the big picture, so I can only speak from the perspective of a regular person here on Earth who is not yet enlightened.

As I understand it, the concept of good and evil/light and dark/right and wrong takes on a different meaning the higher you go up in dimensions, consciousness, and vibration? So to those beings even the acts which we consider to be evil and despicable they see as necessary in order to create balance? So our suffering is necessary?

I guess the experience wouldn't be limited to the lower end of the spectrum if there is such a thing as Hieros Gamos or a "divine union", but how would we know which is which?

Right now I still feel separate from the Whole. I am trying to understand that I am a part of it.

If you are experiencing multiple visitations of this nature then perhaps you need a spiritual purification (not an exorcism) by a competent practitioner. Then part of the treatment would be for a short time to close down your mind to any sexual activity until it has been cleared away.

If it's just a wandering or local mischievous spirit then it would be easily cleared.

If it's from your ancestors in the lower worlds who have a direct line to their descendants that too can be resolved pretty quickly.

But if this is something say from your soul shard influencing you by remote viewing you then this would take a little longer to resolve.

Sometimes there are incubus/sucubus curses but that requires a bit more sessions because there too a karma is involved and that could even be a curse that has been handed down from the actions of an ancestor which can be terrifying and happens more often than most can imagine.

I don't know much about ET interference but there is human on human by psychic means whether consciously or unconsciously (like if they are aroused whilst thinking of you) but this scenario is easily dismissed and can go away.

[meat suit]

there is a thread here from some years ago, which unfortunately has most of its content edited out..
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65649-THE-PHASE-Lucid-Dreams-OBE-NDE-Aliens&highlight=phase

the 'phase' is a manual to get out of body... I remember the content text or video said about having 'astral' sex with other people while out of body..
this could be it:... havent got time to watch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGwbBRj4Fc8

[sparrow7]

They are called incubus beings, they grow from your sexual energy, they may interact with you to ask you to have sex or whatever for you to have an orgasm, it's when they feed off of the orgasm. They will bother you, there are some things you can take like herbs to wonder them off.

[petra]

I like reading the books by Robert Shapiro especially the Explorer race series in which and this is slightly off topic the war between the sexes according to his account actually happened. The females won the war but the overseers of this failed experiment wanted to have another go but change some of the circumstances in order to make it work between the sexes (both sexes originally individually reproduced themselves)
The male race only consented if they were allowed to get their revenge on the female race and the females demanded that they maintained the right and control to give birth.
That war is still somewhat ongoing and it is still being played out to this day. It beggars belief how many issues/karma we humans have to process and resolve through this body and mind which are not even of our own making but inherited. I can believe that There is a deep manipulation of the human consciousness in this matrix of predation but a lot of the rubbish and hardship we go through in my opinion seems to be of a social experiment whereby all the unresolved crap (not just of this universe as some have suggested) gets poured into 3D where we the physical beings have to process and make a use of it.

Oh my goodness! This is fascinating, thank you raff. This Explorer race series has really piqued my interest. Things are connecting together for me now too, and I have definitely noticed the amount of sexist people increasing, both men and women... myself included.

You said "social experiment", and that is exactly what it feels like.

I felt like a "lab rat" too for a while, pardon the awful reference.

My thoughts actually reassure me too.. the nice thoughts say "you're not a puppet".

[justice]

I have read an account by a Japanese shaman that he is able at will to look into any spirit and see beyond the glamour that the spirit wishes to project. It is a question of spiritual power that most human beings do not possess this ability.


Do you remember the name of this shaman?

[raff]

Yes Toshu Fukami, but his books are not online but there are translations of his work. If your in the UK or stateside I can direct you if your interested to find his work.

[raff]

Apparently we are volunteers which can be difficult to wrap ones head around.

[TargeT]

Apparently we are volunteers which can be difficult to wrap ones head around.

not if this life is a "school house" and we are here to work through "past issues" (a common theme it seems).

I voluntarily work on myself all the time :)

[raff]

Apparently we are volunteers which can be difficult to wrap ones head around.

not if this life is a "school house" and we are here to work through "past issues" (a common theme it seems).

I voluntarily work on myself all the time :)

Yes I don't like that train of thought much. There's a line from a Japanese poem that says the reason we are here is to work hard and create good karma. To polish our souls. I would imagine as in any undertaking of a goal that the original plan and intention can change with new insight and information. But when I look at that translation from the poem it strikes me as irrelevant what our daily effort produces the level of information acquired the thoughts that they generate. Our little triumphs and failures. But when I look at the bigger picture the effort made is leading to a place that energetically is more intense and demands a higher skill set and a bigger stronger power to wield it (whatever that "it" is probably ourselves I would imagine)

This reminds me of the "realm of the gods" which I can't say I personally feel attracted to. But then this whole Shinto philosophy of which this train of thought derides from is gods or divine world orientated. If we had a choice of where we would like to be or go anywhere in the cosmos and at any vibrational state I'm not sure our human biased perspective would be all that productive. But then again this life is exhausting and a long holiday from this world and its baggage would be welcomed.

Another perspective on volunteering for this life is that the soul is after something, It does desire or at least TOLD or INSPIRED to aquire something (that was always spoken of as experience) but perhaps it is power and knowledge from which well one can speculate on whatever is the most exciting thing one wishes to create and experience next. This theory has some virtue especially how the human collective seems to be engineered a certain way and in a certain direction that leads itself to reproduce but always with a distinct and original twist. But then working through our issues could just be about confronting our mistakes, seeing their repercussions and what was produced from them and no doubt making a different and a more balanced life affirming choices that doesnt destroy, damage or limit the energy or potential of our-Selves.

If I truly believed this hypothesis I think I'm gonna cash my chips in and take a very, very long vacation. Tara all, I'm off to the beach, I'm gonna sip a few cocktails and smoke a good cigar and luxuriate in the warm sun. And if that gets boring and you find me back here on earth you who read this have permission to knock some good sense into me and call me a silly female sexual organ (that such a negative connotation for a thing of beauty hey)

All are welcome to poke holes into any of these thoughts.

[raff]

I would think that each of your responses need to be considered individually, because there is so very much within each to fathom, so....



What is "sexual nature" really? desire? attraction? seeking the brief "bliss" of orgasm; certainly there is some form of "legacy" building there as well.. none of these seem inherently good or bad & I wouldn't condemn an experience that involves "sex or sexuality" just because it's "sexual". I'm more interested in why sex was always demonized by organized "everything"--- that is much more interesting to me as an avid contrarian.


What is sex?
There was of late a kind of 'political correctness' issue regarding a mother kissing their child on the lips. Of course no sexual nature exists in this act for a normal (difficult to quantify these days but lets continue) parent but the act of a kiss on the lips has connotations of being the most intimate act possible.
Many people pay for sex but supposedly you cannot pay to be kissed? Whether this is correct I do not know.......maybe I am just recalling the film 'Pretty Women'?

These days, well actually before this time, intimate affection and therefore the allowance of sex comes only by monetary gain for many.

from 1986 I believe:
szM7x0N9Ru4

No romance without finance.......a classic line and one they may of had back in Sodom or Gomorrah?
Circles circles circles!

But back to the point...It would seem to me that the actual act of intercourse for a man is an act of domination over another and elevation of self ego in order to maintain a self perception of societies doctrines that have been build over time? Or something like that.

For a woman......its actually the same thing built by societies inclusion of her in her own perceived self need or want. Or something like that.

And I could state that for either the man or the woman, both are delusional.

Actually I need to consider vastly more because I am right now being affected by my own indoctrinations!
Even this one question is very difficult to place within a singular 'box'.

I think sexual union is the instinct to unite back to source. The problem with sex 3D is that the matter/the clay it is being done with/through has a consciousness that is manipulative. If you look at tarot card number 15 the devil there is some who suggest is the culprit. Apparently in Elisabeth Haich book titled: Initiation she recounts her experience in Egypt as a priestess who falls into dense matter after elevetating her energy level by her spiritual training. She explains in detail who Satan is and his function (matter awakened by the spirit) and as "punishment" or more accurately by her actions falls into this dense state. After that it was a long climb of incarnation after incarnation to get back to the energetic level she once was to then accomplish her initiation.

[Hervé]

There are some historical dots with regard to such experiences, so, let's start here:
From the early decades of the fifteenth century until 1650, continental Europeans executed between two and five hundred thousand witches (according to conservative estimates), more than 85 percent of them being women. (Ben-Yehuda, 1985)
Why?
The sanctioned, organized pursuit and persecution of witches, which peaked from 1560 to 1630 and was almost entirely a western European phenomenon, began during a time of grave concern in the Roman Catholic church. The European world in the early 1400s was a wreck. The preceding century has been labeled by historian Barbara Tuchman as "calamitous," and she does not overstate. Starting around 1315, a great famine ravaged much of western Europe. From 1347 to 1352, the Black Death killed more than a third of the continent's population. Other diseases and additional outbreaks of the plague scourged the weakened survivors. As if natural catastrophe weren't enough, England and France chose to fight the Hundred Years' War from 1337 to 1453, the longest war in history. The Church itself fractured, riven by massive organized heresies, and by a schism that led to as many as three men simultaneously laying claim to be the true pope. How could a world created by a watchful, benevolent, and engaged God be such a mess?

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In 1450, 100 years after the Black Death had destroyed about half of Europe's population, the Hundred Years' War was coming to an end and someone had to be blamed, (definitely NOT cometary explosions!), and the so-called Renaissance was kicking off, Jean Vineti, Inquisitor at Carcassone, identified witchcraft with heresy. In 1458, Nicholas Jacquier, Inquisitor in France and Bohemia, identified it as a NEW form of heresy.

[...]

In 1484-86, Sprenger and Kramer published the Malleus which explicated a crystallized theory of witchcraft which held sway for three hundred years. Johannes Gutenberg's printing press - a product of the Renaissance - allowed the work to spread rapidly throughout Europe. This crystallization is what resulted in the beginning of the witch craze itself.

[...]

One evening 10 years ago, Walter Stephens was reading Malleus malificarum. The Malleus, as scholars refer to it, would not be everyone's choice for a late-night book. Usually translated as The Hammer of Witches, it was first published in Germany in 1487 as a handbook for witch hunters during the Inquisition. It's a chilling text - - used for 300 years, well into the Age of Reason -- that justifies and details the identification, apprehension, interrogation, and execution of people accused of consorting with demons, signing pacts with the devil, and performing maleficia, or harmful magic.

[...]

For the next eight years Stephens read every treatise he could find on witchcraft, as well as accounts of interrogations, theological tracts, and other works (his bibliography lists 154 primary and more than 200 secondary sources). Most of the 86 witchcraft treatises he cites had been written in western Europe in the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries, and one after another (including the Malleus) contain accounts of sexual intercourse with satanic spirits. Why? Were the authors remorseless misogynists hellbent on portraying women in the worst possible light? Were they lurid, repressed celibates who got off by writing accounts of demon sex? Stephens didn't think so; the texts, in his view, didn't support that reading. Elsewhere in the Malleus he had found a key reference to accused witches under torture as being "expert witnesses to the reality of carnal interaction between humans and demons." These guys are trying to construct proofs that demons exist, he thought. They're trying to convince skeptics. And then he thought, They're trying to convince themselves.

Stephens' thesis profoundly revises the conventional wisdom about centuries of cruelty and injustice. The great European witch hunts, he says, were the outgrowth of a severe crisis of faith. The men who wrote books like the Malleus, men who endorsed the torture and burning of tens of thousands of innocent people, desperately needed to believe in witches, because if witches were real, then demons were real, and if demons were real, then God was real. Not just real but present and attentive. Carefully read the works composed by the witchcraft authors, Stephens says, and you will see how profoundly disturbed these educated, literate men were by their accumulating suspicions that if God existed at all, He wasn't paying much attention to the descendants of Adam.

[...]

Above excerpts from: Wars, Pestilence and Witches (https://www.sott.net/article/147339-Wars-Pestilence-and-Witches)

... and so it came to be that "normal," common dreamtime happenings where nailed as being a sign of wickedness.

Of course, the above is an indication that such - usually nocturnal - encounters have been going on for a long time:


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Published on Aug 4, 2016
The Cosmic Switchboard interviews Eve Lorgen. Eve discusses Barbara Bartholic's Seminal Work, Hyperdimensional Interference, Strip Club Vortex Programming, Dark Side of Cupid Case Studies, Dr. Karla Turner's "Masquerade of Angels" ET Cloning, Nefilim hybridization and much more. Eve Lorgen's website is http://evelorgen.com/wp/

[DNA]

Herve that is an impressive read.
I agree 100% that folks seem to want to believe in demons to validate believing in God, and or the Christian Bible.


I've made more than a few correlations in my own experiences via what folks refer to as a sucubis or incubis. In my opinion these are labels for interactions with humans who have passed on but have not gone through the tunnel ending in white light.
I for one absolutely believe the tunnel to light is a positive thing and the route everyone is eventually going to take no matter how long they hold out from it.
One clue to this is the actions of those who do not travel the tunnel. They all invariably turn into parasitic entities, ghosts looking to syphon your essense. This is because they are transgressing the natural order and as such do not have the normal connection to God. For all of the talk of those stating the white light is a trap, I've never heard the alternative for turning into a parasitic ghost, which is what everyone who refuses the tunnel with the white light at the end of it turns in to.


I've witnessed ghosts performing all of the described maneuvers in so far as sucubis and incubis are concerned.
Ghosts will enter your dreams and attempt to illicit sexual and or love like experiences so they may harvest the fruit of your affections.
How do I know this, because I've awoken from such dreams only to have a ghost hovering over me.
Ghosts also use fear and intimidation in dreams, so that they may extract the fruit of your fears.
Ghosts will also incourage you to masterbate as they can take advantage of the orgasmic energy made available.
Ghosts also attempt to include themselves in sex, and in more of a sense than a voyeuristic onlooker, they are able to intermingle in the shared energies.
I've had this happen and pointed this out to my partner at the time who was shocked beyond belief when I instructed her how to see the entity.


We have a much harder time seeing ghosts in modern times than our ancestors did.
Ghosts are much more visible in the dark. And in this day and age we often never immerse ourselves in true darkness.
And the darker the environment, the more visible ghosts become.
It is as if your third eye is activated when your normal vision is no longer dominant.
Folks often think they are afraid of the dark because the cannot see, when in fact it is what they can perceive in the dark that truly makes the dark scary.


Just my take. :cat: :happy dog: :flower:

[rgray222]

Not sure if anyone has posted this but Australian TV did a fascinating story with Mary Rodwell and her son. My Mum Talks To Aliens, she talks to a man that claims to have had sex with two extraterrestrial women. If memory serves me right they actually did some DNA testing and lie detector on this guy and everything checked out. It really is a great watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ6dJergQ8o

[Chris]

Spirit sex in not like physical sex, therefore the same moral prerogatives and judgements do not apply. It is a melding of light body and spirit, there is an exchange of thought, emotion and energy that blows normal, physical sex out of the water. In fact a lot of people who experience a Kundalini awakening, experience it as a sexual union with the divine Goddess, Shakti. You see a lot of depictions and descriptions of this in Tantric literature and art. When I had my Kundalini awakening, it was highly sexual and yep, there was a goddess involved. There is in fact just one goddess and she has many manifestations as she is energy really, the base, primal energy the universe is made of (Shakti). In Western culture she was known as the goddess of love. In ancient Sumer she was Inanna, then she became Ishtar, then Ashtarte. In Christianity she became the Queen of Heaven, then the Holy Spirit (the same white dove goddess that was Ishtar previously). She was also known as Venus, Aphrodite and Isis in other cultures. The point is that sexual union is a part of spiritual awakening and always has been. The whole point of the Roman church has been to demonise this sexual element of the divine and make sure people did not experience a true awakening. Anyone who was seen to engage in this was condemned as a witch and burned at the stake, after some horrific torture of course. To this day, Christians, including those that call themselves atheists, have incredible hangups about the nature or sexuality and still see it as a sign of evil. It is almost impossible for a Christian to see and approach the divine in sexual terms, so strong has been the negative programming propagated by the Church. The only religion that is more or less accepting of this reality is Buddhism, particularly Lamaism. Tantric sex is still widely practiced as an important step on the road to enlightenment. Not so much in Hinduism, as it has been heavily contaminated by Islam and Christianity, though in its Tantric traditions, you will still find full acceptance of sexuality as a divine gateway and even sacred prostitution is still practised on the fringes.

Apart from the tantric aspect, Spirit sex is possible pretty much with any disembodied entity and that includes a powerful or higher being, still in its physical body, projecting themselves astrally into your room. This, depending from your perspective, could be an Angel, God(dess), ET or even a spirit or demon. Obviously not all of these entities are pleasant or benevolent, though most are. The reason most higher beings would engage in this sort of activity, is apart from the pleasure they take in it, to help you. Since there is an exchange of energy taking place, they can raise your vibrations and give you much needed energy to help your progress spiritually. It can also clear out any blockages in your chakras, clear out Karma and help raise your Kundalini.

[Omni]

Beware of any "spirits" that sexually engage you. Below is quoted from my work on the website occult.wiki (http://www.occult.wiki/index.php?title=The_BCI_Incubus):


== BCI Intruders Packaged as Astral Projection ==
The BCI incubus and/or an artificial intelligence programmed by shadow government sources are standard perpetrators during technologically induced virtual reality packaged as sexual "astral projection".


A person's mind can be streamlined into another person's mind. A person can be in VR while another person controls it, while surveillance picks up their brainwaves and feeds it to the pervert. Surveillance based virtual reality is an apt term for this.

In my opinion this sort of thing is never what it appears. It is always something you do not want. The benevolent cosmic sources are not interested in you sexually, only perverts with hi-tech toys are IMO...

[Chris]

You do realise that this sort of thing goes back into ancient times, right? Union with the goddess has been a central part of Tantra for thousands of years and in previous Epochs it was part of the cult of Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Venus, etc... I noticed your Avatar is Isis, she is exactly the kind of Goddess I'm referring to here. Why do people automatically assume that anything to do with sexuality and spirits is automatically evil and nefarious? I can assure you that my contact with the Goddess (Kundalini Shakti) was entirely benevolent and helped me greatly. That being said, I appreciate your concern and I realise that this can be negative as well, not all contact with higher dimensional or vibrational entities is positive. I have read a number of accounts about spirit possession, where the victim was basically spiritually raped by the possessing entity. However that is no reason to think that any encounter with higher beings will automatically be of a negative or malevolent nature.

[Valerie Villars]

You do realise that this sort of thing goes back into ancient times, right? Union with the goddess has been a central part of Tantra for thousands of years and in previous Epochs it was part of the cult of Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Venus, etc... I noticed your Avatar is Isis, she is exactly the kind of Goddess I'm referring to here. Why do people automatically assume that anything to do with sexuality and spirits is automatically evil and nefarious? I can assure you that my contact with the Goddess (Kundalini Shakti) was entirely benevolent and helped me greatly. That being said, I appreciate your concern and I realise that this can be negative as well, not all contact with higher dimensional or vibrational entities is positive. I have read a number of accounts about spirit possession, where the victim was basically spiritually raped by the possessing entity. However that is no reason to think that any encounter with higher beings will automatically be of a negative or malevolent nature.

Chris, I have to go work out, but I am really interested in speaking with you on this subject, because of all I went through during my awakening, what you are describing happened to me and it has been the most baffling part of my experience. Quite confusing.

[Chris]

You do realise that this sort of thing goes back into ancient times, right? Union with the goddess has been a central part of Tantra for thousands of years and in previous Epochs it was part of the cult of Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Venus, etc... I noticed your Avatar is Isis, she is exactly the kind of Goddess I'm referring to here. Why do people automatically assume that anything to do with sexuality and spirits is automatically evil and nefarious? I can assure you that my contact with the Goddess (Kundalini Shakti) was entirely benevolent and helped me greatly. That being said, I appreciate your concern and I realise that this can be negative as well, not all contact with higher dimensional or vibrational entities is positive. I have read a number of accounts about spirit possession, where the victim was basically spiritually raped by the possessing entity. However that is no reason to think that any encounter with higher beings will automatically be of a negative or malevolent nature.

Chris, I have to go work out, but I am really interested in speaking with you on this subject, because of all I went through during my awakening, what you are describing happened to me and it has been the most baffling part of my experience. Quite confusing.

Hi Valerie, what is your question? I have done a ton of research into this and had my own experiences, so maybe I can help.

[Valerie Villars]

Is this a member's only thread? I have no problem with people thinking I'm insane, but most of what I went through is pretty over the top.

[Chris]

Is this a member's only thread? I have no problem with people thinking I'm insane, but most of what I went through is pretty over the top.

No, this appears to be a public thread. I realise this can be quite personal, so you can send me a private message if you prefer.

[AutumnW]

I experienced a full body body scan from something from somewhere while in 'dream state.' It wasn't technically rape, but it felt worse because my whole body was penetrated.

[Omni]

You do realise that this sort of thing goes back into ancient times, right?
Yes I do. This conspiracy goes back to ancient times, I am well aware of this.


Union with the goddess has been a central part of Tantra for thousands of years and in previous Epochs it was part of the cult of Inanna, Ishtar, Isis, Venus, etc... I noticed your Avatar is Isis, she is exactly the kind of Goddess I'm referring to here.
My avatar is Maat, not Isis.


Why do people automatically assume that anything to do with sexuality and spirits is automatically evil and nefarious?
I am giving you knowledge, not assuming. I have been raped in more than 3 different ways by these people and know their modality of crime. It isn't a cosmic spirit you are having intercourse with, you were warned.


I can assure you that my contact with the Goddess (Kundalini Shakti) was entirely benevolent and helped me greatly. That being said, I appreciate your concern and I realise that this can be negative as well, not all contact with higher dimensional or vibrational entities is positive. I have read a number of accounts about spirit possession, where the victim was basically spiritually raped by the possessing entity. However that is no reason to think that any encounter with higher beings will automatically be of a negative or malevolent nature.
You clearly do not understand my reasoning. I am well aware of what this so called "astral sex" is. No goddesses are sexually interested in you...

[Ernie Nemeth]

Kundalini rising is a precursor to this sort of abuse.

My own was an amazing experience that woke me from my sleep and continued for at least half an hour. At first it was ecstatic, as the energy kept surging upward. I was laughing and moaning in joy. But it continued for too long. I became worried. It left me exhausted. Not a week later my life would be completely turned upside down and I have not yet fully recovered. That was 2003.

[AutumnW]

What happened?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I made a change that was overdue, that I knew needed to happen but I was too complacent. I was too comfortable. I was content.

I had no real intention to move on, but I did it anyway. I left with almost nothing. I gave up a lot, including a house and lots of man toys. It was time, though. The fork in the road had appeared. The details aren't important anymore. I am still with the same woman now for fifteen years. The miracles were mostly for her - and she has made remarkable progress.

I continue. I remain. But even I have gone through a transformation, thanks in part to Camelot and Avalon, and to my own insatiable yearning to uncover the truth. The man I would have been I cannot say but the man I am is disabused of many fallacies that still prevail in the world at large.

So what happened? The man I intended to be in my youth, is not the man it was intended I be, would be my guess. The trigger was the Kundalini rising, the uncoiling of the snake, and the intensive yoga training I had undertaken. It messed with something inside me. Seems that to veer too far away from the core of yourself requires sometimes harsh course corrections. I can say tentatively now, that I am almost happy for once. It is a novel experience and I try to stay present for every moment it lasts - and hopefully beyond.

Just wish I wasn't so not young anymore...and I hope I do not forget the debt I owe for this fine adventure.

[Iyakum]

Not sure if anyone has posted this but Australian TV did a fascinating story with Mary Rodwell and her son. My Mum Talks To Aliens, she talks to a man that claims to have had sex with two extraterrestrial women. If memory serves me right they actually did some DNA testing and lie detector on this guy and everything checked out. It really is a great watch.


if this video really should be true. Then the two alien ladies would have been very human-like. In any case, on the physical level, the sexual. That could also mean that extraterrestrial beings could be similar to humans. Still, I wonder why they had sex with the man? Because if they really had sex, then they probably wanted a fertilization. Or what else could have been the reason?

[Victoria]

How about this (in return) is there such a thing as good or evil?

Should this experience be only limited to one side of the spectrum?

are you a part of, or separate from the Whole?

I don't think that you can obtain a definitive answer to your question & if you do get one, I'll play devils advocate and show you the short comings of that stance on the topic.
 

Thank you TargeT.  I've been experiencing some very troubling, interesting, weird things for almost two years now and have been hesitant to ask them in any discussion forum, until now.  I'm glad I finally asked.  I have very limited understanding about the big picture, so I can only speak from the perspective of a regular person here on Earth who is not yet enlightened.  

As I understand it, the concept of good and evil/light and dark/right and wrong takes on a different meaning the higher you go up in dimensions, consciousness, and vibration?  So to those beings even the acts which we consider to be evil and despicable they see as necessary in order to create balance?  So our suffering is necessary?

I guess the experience wouldn't be limited to the lower end of the spectrum if there is such a thing as Hieros Gamos or a "divine union", but how would we know which is which?

Right now I still feel separate from the Whole.  I am trying to understand that I am a part of it.
 
If you are experiencing multiple visitations of this nature then perhaps you need a spiritual purification (not an exorcism) by a competent practitioner. Then part of the treatment would be for a short time to close down your mind to any sexual activity until it has been cleared away.

If it's just a wandering or local mischievous spirit then it would be easily cleared.

If it's from your ancestors in the lower worlds who have a direct line to their descendants that too can be resolved pretty quickly.

But if this is something say from your soul shard influencing you by remote viewing you then this would take a little longer to resolve.

Sometimes there are incubus/sucubus curses but that requires a bit more sessions because there too a karma is involved and that could even be a curse that has been handed down from the actions of an ancestor which can be terrifying and happens more often than most can imagine.

I don't know much about ET interference but there is human on human by psychic means whether consciously or unconsciously (like if they are aroused whilst thinking of you) but this scenario is easily dismissed and can go away.
 
interesting.... I don't have any knowledge to contribute to this other than relating a personal experience and a picture of what I think caused it.


Back in 2011, I had an occurrence that, from what I could gather online, related to incubus/succubus type activity. I woke up in the middle of the night from a really strange dream of being over the water behind our house with a white spherical light on one side of the body of water and the full moon on the other.  I looked down and could see all of the beach, the road and the expanse of houses beneath me. Then I saw my dog, far below in the yard, but instead of her head, she had a metal plate of some kind atop her neck and of course I woke up really disturbed by that.

 I lay there for a moment after waking, looked at the clock, and then felt that strange sensation of something unrecognizable climbing onto the bed. I couldn't move and was a little frightened...when...it felt like someone was doing something ( everything this thread is about) to me that was beyond intense. I would say nothing has ever matched that sensation: it felt incredible and kind of terrifying at the same time and it wouldn't stop. I had zero control of what was happening; was conscious but immobile.

When I awoke again the next morning, I felt extremely tired, confused and embarrassingly icky. The clocks in the house: battery, wind-up and electric had all stopped. A frame in the kitchen had fallen off of the wall. I had slept late and could barely get going.

So, I ran a bath and thought I'll just slowly wake up and relax for a bit longer and try to figure out what happened. Lights were off. I closed my eyes in the shadows of the room when the most dramatic golden light swept down through the window, washing the walls in this luminescent, tangibly warm brilliance.  I'd never seen the room glowing in such a way: deep copper and gold. We had a forest of trees outside that window, which blocked most sunlight from filtering in...and it was a west facing window, which made the light seem strange. My heart was captured by the vibrancy of it though, in a way difficult to describe.

It was so lovely that I felt compelled to get out of the bath and grab my phone to try to capture the ambience. When I did this, I felt a presence as though someone was very close and watching me.

So, I looked at the photo just taken: it had a shape in it that I could not explain. It made me feel very uncomfortable in contrast to the immensely soothing radiance in the room. The shape appeared to have a serpentine form with large eyes and sharp teeth above an energy body... that try as I might, I could never again recreate on the wall. At anytime of year or day since, the light has never again shone through that window in the same way or created that shape.

I felt like what was in the photo might be what had come into my bed the night before...  so here's the photo, it's unfortunately cropped and I increased the saturation way back then to show somebody more clearly from my dark phone screen, but that was the only editing and it's the only copy I have all these years later.

The regular reflections from the stained glass window and water are visible on the wall to the left center, just like any reflection one would expect to see, and then what looks like 3D live energy with (to me)  a very obvious face in the upper right corner. I don't know what it is...but it happened the morning after experiencing sex with an unseen something.41807

[Valerie Villars]

Sorry to derail but is this a members only thread? arborealis, I have a story too.

[petra]

Sorry to derail but is this a members only thread?

No, it is not.
Probably should be though. Wonder how many people landed on this page and were disappointed by the lack of pornography :P

[RunningDeer]

Sorry to derail but is this a members only thread? arborealis, I have a story too.
This thread isn’t private. It’ll say “Members Only” at the top of the page. Here are two examples where the threads are in the private section.


https://i.imgur.com/Gnw83KA.jpg

[Iyakum]

Victoria,

I just noticed that the thread received more replies, so the late response.
Some of the things that struck me when I read your answer would be a little more precise. Hope you do not mind.

I had this experience that you had, even three times. The last time was summer 2008 it was warm and the door to the garden was open. A cat that was my friend but didn't live with me came to me that evening. She lay down in bed with me and we fell asleep. The night I slept I dreamed of a female being. I can't describe it because I didn't see the head, just the body. We had sex in our sleep, it felt uncomfortable. I was somehow not ready for it, but no matter what I did or tried to do to get rid of it, I couldn't. It was like a rigid, like I was immobile. I tried to scream in my dream but no sound came out of me. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't.

In the dream I saw this female being sitting on me so that I could not move. There was nothing around me, nothing but the bluish color of the being, everything else was black. Strangely, it occurred to me in a dream that I am not alone. I remembered the "sock" that was the name of the cat that was with me and somehow I managed to contact Socke. Socke reacted immediately and poked me on the face with her paws without claws. She didn't give up until I woke up. The rigid one let go of me, sock jumped out of bed and ran screaming into the garden. My room was filled with darkness and lightning shot through the whole apartment in this darkness. I couldn't see anything except the flashes. No electricity in the whole area, not even the street lights were on. I couldn't turn on the light and was afraid that the lightning would hit me. So I ran after the cat out into the garden. It was pitch dark outside, only lightning occasionally illuminated the area.

I was afraid, I admit frankly, although I have seen and experienced a lot, but that scared me. I then went back to the apartment, got my blanket and sat in the garden. It didn't take me long to realize that it wasn't over. I could hear screams, children, people, animals, even birds. I didn't know what time it was either, all the energy was gone somehow. My first thought was that whatever it was, that being soaked up all of its energy. Socke my cat had noticed that I was sitting in the garden, she was suddenly under my blanket. It was a very pleasant feeling that she was with me, I could feel her fear, she was trembling all over. It nestled against me like never before.

You are absolutely right in thinking that this being is made of energy. It's just energy I can't say what form of energy. When you zoom in, you can see something behind the creature on the left that looks something like a face that is covered in darkness. But that can also be a reflection. This being reminds me of my first encounter as a child. Victoria, when you think back on this experience after nine years. Then what comes to mind, does it remind you of something in your childhood? As you wrote you felt uncomfortable, but there was something you could feel a presence like someone or something was watching you. But you didn't find the radiation in the room threatening.

Thus, two beings were present at that time or over that time. One that was not only threatening, but also pressed you. While the other being tried to somehow warn you or even protect you. Can you say that? Or how do you think it would be designed correctly? When I first met, there were two beings, one that attracted me, the other that wanted to protect me as best she could. I can only speak for myself now. This encounter back in my childhood was the trigger for many things that happened afterwards. But that cannot be compared, it happened to you in 2011, but it happened to me in 1972. In any case, I think that we could learn a lot from your contribution, for which a big thank you goes.

[Victoria]

Hello Iyakum,

That's quite the encounter you had.  My first thought: Isn't it interesting how animals are so very aware of our mental and emotional states? My pets have many times arrived to my side with reassurance during unusual and supernatural experiences.  


"I could hear screams, children, people, animals, even birds." What do you think these were? Were you able to confer with any of your neighbors afterward whether they had experienced anything that same night?

I'm going through a steep learning curve, so my apologies if I jump off-topic momentarily, but it seems the energy we create, or are capable of harnessing and emitting can wreak havoc around us when under the influence of elevated emotions, or tense and frightening situations.  I am learning that others, humans included, who recognize energy in people do seem to target and parasitize them for this reason. Hence, pertaining to the OP, I am very leery of inviting such experiences or trusting unseen forces to be who and how they present themselves.

Particularly, I am starting to see many of my experiences as being less spiritual/paranormal and more likely human or technology-generated. This becomes a little blurred by my evolving cognition of the increasing partnership between the two.

Probably, like yours, my most profound experiences and the implications of them primarily stem from childhood, yet, I doubt mine were as purely and energetically organic in nature as your experiences.  Anything might be possible, though. Truly, the more I learn, the less I know...except for the imperative to be situationally aware at all times.

Reading what you write,


My room was filled with darkness and lightning shot through the whole apartment in this darkness. I couldn't see anything except the flashes.

I am reminded of your innate energy mentioned in your other posts being expressed as lightning, or even clashing with the confrontation of another energetic source, escaping in every direction... I would imagine that such a psychically and physically charged event could amplify your energy exponentially and be quite terrifying.

I think primarily the difference between your account and mine, aside of energy escaping vs. energy draining, was that yours occurred in a semi-dream state, which makes me think the being might not have been strong enough to approach you outside of sleep. Maybe that is often the case with succubi, whereas mine took place while I was fully awake, my senses were alert my eyes were open, I had already verified my dog was safe and sound beside the bed...and could feel and hear something approaching, though I could not move. It actually makes me quite disappointed looking back, that I did not have the accurate perception, strength and wherewithal to stop the event...or even know to do so.

I can relate to your fear in the moment very well, so reading your experience gave me chills.
"I couldn't turn on the light and was afraid that the lightning would hit me."

Thanks to a number of seemingly non-natural storm scenarios since 1996, I have been very apprehensive during storms... often still pausing at the onset to assess whether the occurrence is a natural one. Thankfully, the trepidation has waned over the years and I can appreciate spring thunderstorms again. :sun:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-20-2020/FbHOV6.gif (/gif/-FbHOV6)


 To answer your question:  The golden light in the room was exceptionally warm,  and comforting. If light could have weight, it was a heavy wave of luminosity that washed down the walls and over me, like a fiery sunrise chasing shadows down desert canyon corridors...which, thinking back, would have been difficult to create even if the sun had been able to shine (it could not due to the orientation)through that window, because the stained glass there is mostly dark green, brown, blue and white.
 
The light did not remind me of anything that I can remember from childhood. I don't think I have experienced it before, or ever again...it was just there, and it enveloped the room, breaking the train of my troubled thoughts.

So, yes, in that respect, I think it was perhaps protective. Maybe it was not the same presence that was with me the night before. Actually over the years, I can clearly see the difference between the two in terms of polarity.. while back then, I was functioning in a fear-based state.

At the time, I even considered it might be somebody I knew who was very versed in OBEs and manipulating perception and qi. There was zero motive or need for him to do that, though.  

I don't see what you are referencing as a second image/face when I zoom in.  All along the left, because of the granite walls, it looks to me like regular light variations, geometric patterns and water reflecting. Vertically to the right, also appears as agitated water, however, it is very pronounced from the rest, which seemed odd. In the top right corner, since that day, I can only see what looks like a three-dimensional anterior view of a rabbit or reptile, head-only, with an angular face, Cheshire grin,bared teeth and distinct pupils. There is nothing in the stained glass that should have produced such a detailed, three dimensional, non-polygonal image on the wall.


BUT, that is not to say what you and I both see is not there. If there was a presence in the room, which it overwhelmingly felt like, then perhaps your own subconscious picks up on it in the image as a similarly sourced being from your experiences, as I might recognize my own recollected beings in your photographs, descriptions or depictions. Even, perhaps(?), these beings can take on different forms tailored to each of us, so that what we see in the familiar energy is exactly as we experienced, and might explain why others see or don't see what we do.

I think our minds recognize, first, what is familiar and that is predominantly what we see...before being able to more intentionally decipher and identify the unfamiliar.

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I tried to see what you were seeing in the photo...is this the shape you see, that I highlighted on the left, in red? If so it reminds me eerily of the image I drew (in the Horus-Ra archontic thread, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1311175&viewfull=1#post1311175)

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This could be an example of simple pareidolia, though so many things I don't mention for reasons of privacy happened that same night, which make me think otherwise.

I had shown the original unedited photo to some supernatural researcher online all those years ago, and he responded about it being an archon...with the caveat not to toss the word around, or say it unnecessarily.

Looking at these photos, and having scoured any I could find of water reflections online for comparison, I feel much like this:
42549

...wondering if it's all just a state of apophenia... and how would one tell the difference, anyway? :unsure:
http://www.munroe-falls-paranormal-society.com/blog/?p=440

[Iyakum]

Victoria,

sorry i didn't answer you yesterday because i had to read everything over and over again to make comparisons and give myself the time to remember something that somehow was told about my time with the Tabiyan people or not. Unfortunately, I did not split the diaries into categories such as magic, ascension or encounters, so I looked for luck and found nothing. Certainly there is an info or knowledge about it, but I don't know where to find it.

Ok, but now to your contribution I still suspect that there were two beings that is independent of the two photos. Why I think so is because you felt or perceived two different presences. One was positive, the other the opposite. Only a few things are not quite clear to me yet, there could be two scenarios. The first would be the first being to harm you, without your consent, let's stick to it. You woke up because you felt something in your subconscious that I warned you about. As I suspect, the being took possession of your consciousness and your being even before you awoke. This proves the rigidity you were in when you woke up and movement was not possible. What happened afterwards is surely shameful and that you felt very uncomfortable afterwards, so that you went straight to the bathroom. But at that moment you did not pay attention to whether the being was still present or not. Sorry, the photos are not so important at the moment, what is more important would be your memory of this being, it may be that it was still present.

But it may also be that you only felt or saw the remains of the presence. That's why an exact memory of it would be important, but not at the same time, because you definitely want to forget such a traumatic experience.

Ok, I guess there were two beings. Which leads me to believe that there were two beings. You say there were two different feelings, positive and negative, I assume the first being was faster with you than the second. The first took possession, as already written, I suspect the second being was there because you called it. You instinctively called for help in the subconscious, which is why the second being came to you later to help and protect you. Unfortunately it came too late, but stayed with you longer for two reasons, the first was to protect you from the moment, to make you feel that you are not alone, to give you comfort and to show you that you are exceptional ,

Part I ends

[EFO]

----edit:

I tried to see what you were seeing in the photo...is this the shape you see, that I highlighted on the left, in red? If so it reminds me eerily of the image I drew (in the Horus-Ra archontic thread, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=1311175&viewfull=1#post1311175)

42548

This could be an example of simple pareidolia, though so many things I don't mention for reasons of privacy happened that same night, which make me think otherwise.

I had shown the original unedited photo to some supernatural researcher online all those years ago, and he responded about it being an archon...with the caveat not to toss the word around, or say it unnecessarily.

Looking at these photos, and having scoured any I could find of water reflections online for comparison, I feel much like this:
42549

...wondering if it's all just a state of apophenia... and how would one tell the difference, anyway? :unsure:
http://www.munroe-falls-paranormal-society.com/blog/?p=440

From both your posts,you brought all the clues in one place and you JUST ANSWERED YOURSELF TO YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE IN A POSITIVE MANNER!

[Iyakum]

Part II

Ok, I'll leave the recordings aside and try to answer your question about energy.
In principle, you give yourself the answer, because there are many contributions to it from other members. But that is not important since you asked the question I try to answer, but this answer is based on my experiences and not on those of you or others.

I have asked the same question before, that was when I was out with Amesu in the forest. I have to mention something to make it easier to understand why I was always out in nature and with Amesu in the woods. I can think better outdoors in nature than in rooms, it's like my thoughts can spread there, but I think everyone has had such an experience. In closed rooms, my thoughts and energy bounce off the walls, so if someone needs help or if I want to contact someone, I go outdoors, where I can develop more freely.

To the energy beings or beings that have risen to a higher level of existence. Everyone has already had the experience of leaps of thought, what is completely normal and everyone knows. But there are people like you Victoria, extraordinarily blessed with gifts, also abilities that you do not yet know, but which you still have hidden in you.
Everyone has had the experience that sometimes there are thoughts that just don't let us go, as if they stuck to us until what you think occurs. We cannot do anything against such thoughts, on the one hand they are very positive because we can learn from them what we unfortunately do not do because we are distracted from the thought that does not let us go. But this thought that does not let us go could be readable for everyone who has the gift to grasp thoughts, it has happened to me so many times and it has always been fulfilled.

You see we can grasp such thoughts, thoughts are nothing more than energy, electric currents in our heads. But now think about what a being that has already achieved ascension is capable of, it can read minds. That or the beings who were illegal with you in 2011, both knew you before, observed you and read, I suppose. This could have happened at any time, starting with your stormy outings, when you asked a natural element to implement your will without knowing what you were doing ... and ... it worked. So you then unconsciously gave up something of yourself to your gift, when you were in the wild in bad weather and let your energy run free, something changed in your nature. Unfortunately, it happened to you like many others, it was not funded, that's why you are here now, like me and many others. Your question whether beings like you have met you or me and others can take a different form and whether they have grasped or read your thoughts beforehand ...?

The answer: "YES"! Energy is malleable, especially when it is energy that is intelligent. Such beings could take any shape, form and appearance they want, but only in the original measure, what I want to say with it, an example. I would be able to ascend to a higher level of existence as energy, I am 1.85 cm, approx. 85 kg, broad shoulders that are my approximate body measurements. I cannot change these dimensions even when I climb, the same dimensions always remain, I cannot take the look of a car or a ship. But that remains only a guess, since we know that we can ascend, but we do not know exactly what we would then be able to do. Some things we already know, I'll take myself as an example. Just like you, when I was young I did things like commanding natural elements, at the time I didn't know what I was doing and why it worked, but the fact is it worked. Then there is the grasping of thoughts, the sending of healing energy and much more that we may not even know. But there are good and bad sides to both, but everyone is familiar with it.

Victoria, I don't want to know what happened that night, that's your private matter, but after a while you learned something, you don't have to tell it or share it with us. But whatever it was, it's very powerful. Sorry I don't want you to feel troubled now, but if I do then I beg your pardon.

I hope that I was able to help you with this, I am open to questions and try my best to answer them.

In conclusion, the time I spent with the Tabiyaners was very educational and I don't know what would have happened to me if they hadn't accepted me.

[Victoria]

Iyakum, my friend, thank you.

Please do not apologize, I posted hoping to contribute and don't mind delving deeper, especially if it helps us both, or better yet, anyone else who is trying to put their own pieces together. :)

Thank you for helping me to look at an event that I really haven't paid much attention to in almost a decade.   I write things, many times, hoping someone else can do something with them, or glean information from the experiences, forgetting I still have so much to learn and acknowledge from them, myself. Which I only realise by how many times I had to go back and edit that post!


"we can grasp such thoughts, thoughts are nothing more than energy" You are very good at this, as are several Avalonians, I am learning. :clapping:


My largest takeaway revelation in what you write and our conversation here, is that this was probably an abduction event that I didn't want to see that way...and possible incidents of the same (though, non sexual) all the way back through life are peppering my memories suddenly.  You are right, too, the actual physical sensation very well could have been possession: the lines between them are vague to me. Energy is key in whatever transpired.

There are some pretty significant details I left out, which is indicative in itself and which I should share, since you have invested the honest time, concern and effort to examine and analyze the situation. (thank you)

Not that this really changes anything, but...

First, the interim between my strange dream and being 'infringed', was at least ten minutes, during which I could sit up, look at the clock (1:47AM, I think), move around and pet my dog who was sleeping soundly.  The one thing that startled me in those moments was a very loud "bang!" sound from across the house. My senses were piqued.

It was only while lying there, straining to listen in the dark and shake the weirdness of the dream over water, that I noticed movement and the sinking in the mattress, as something crossed the foot of the bed. I could not see anything approaching, though. However, I could see to the corners of the room, and the closet door, yet nobody decipherable was present. There was just nothing visible there.

That's when I realized I also couldn't move any more. It wasn't sleep paralysis. What followed, I have no idea how long the duration was, it seemed like it went on forever...too long....much like Ernie mentions above...but to the point that I blacked out and don't remember it ending.

The most significant part I omitted (and for the life of me, I don't know why I didn't connect this as being important), is that I did not awaken in the bed afterward. I woke up while it was still dark, in the middle of the night, my back on the cold hard floor across the house, feet-first in front of two french doors that were wide-open to the back yard. I remember feeling the damp chill of the outside air and the cold of the marble... wondering why I was there. Without thinking much more, I must have gone back to bed, though I don't remember that part, either.

When I woke up again, it was late morning, almost noon. My energy was gone. Birds were singing, the dog wanted to go outside. The clocks were not working. My boyfriend at the time, had given me a large wood-framed agenda/calendar/scheduling board that had inexplicably crashed to the floor in the kitchen during the night.

On the other hand, the blanketing glow that morning, only lasted (I think?) 10 minutes, at most.  I'm not quite sure, because I was overcome by the beauty of it and not really making intentional notes at that point.

Also, there are similarities in what I experienced with other posts. Comparable to what Ernie deftly described, above, regarding his Kundalini rising and the upending chaos afterward, this experience could certainly be looked at as a pivotal event/time-frame for me that initiated, chronologically, an almost instantaneous unraveling of, and tumultuously direction-changing chapter in, my life. All of which I am immensely grateful for now. :)

Within a matter of months after it happened, I had another abduction event in New York. That time, it was distinctly military and medical in nature and there was, as far as I recall, absolutely zero "goodness" resulting from the experience. I was doggedly determined to bring back a piece of the experience for proof. I think the severe pain and marks afterward, were part of paying the physical consequences for that.

Anyway, I share these details as confirmation for others and myself ...that maybe such episodes and ordeals are connected to numerous incidents which can seem unrelated over the course of a lifetime. They are likely not standalone occurrences.

Thank you, Iyakum, for kindly helping me see this and unblocking some of my memories...and thank you, EFO, for doing much the same, both in such positive light. You have helped me to integrate the shadows, for which I am very appreciative. :sun:

[AutumnW]

It's hair raising, weird, uncanny and sex with aliens is even worse!:Party:

[Mike]

at the moment i'd just settle for a sexual relationship from a being in this dimension.

this thread has been excellent reading. kudos to those who have shared. i may have a thing or 2 to report, if i can develop the courage

[Innocent Warrior]

I have a suggestion that may help you stop it in case it ever happens again. I have not experienced the lights that you did I but it works in the same state you described and it’s not based in faith (particular belief system not required). I learned it directly from spirit guardians during a couple of the incidents early on when it began to happen far more regularly and it’s worked every single time (a lot of times, since roughly six years ago), regardless of the type of being (though it takes a bit longer sometimes with the more powerful ones). I’ll describe how I learned it first because although it’s really simple it goes against the strongest human instinct I have at the time that it occurs, then you can decide for yourself if you want to try it, if required (hopefully not). This will be a lengthy post so I won’t describe fully the entirety of the incidents and just cut to the relevant parts.

First incident I was instructed. My state was fully conscious, paralysed, laying on my back in bed after having slept. The being was covering my entire body, except for my neck and face. I could clearly sense its intent was to suffocate me and I was trying to break free by trying to move before it covered the rest of my body. There was a small group of my guides/guardians behind my head (top of my head as I was laying down), whatever they were doing was holding the being off my neck and face.

They instructed me to shift my focus from the being and direct it inwards into myself (telepathically). I felt that if I did that it would rapidly overwhelm and suffocate me, I was terrified of that happening and it was the last thing I wanted to do, I had to let go of my very strong human instinct to do it. So I said to my guides, “fine but do not let it on my neck or face” (telepathically, so energy to the effect of those words). Then I did it, I stopped fighting and took my attention away from the outer by focussing within. Just the same as when you stop focussing on the outer world and focus inwards to take a few deep breaths. As soon as I had achieved that calm inner state I moved my body and I felt the weight and pressure of the being lift. The being and my guides all disappeared from my perception, hence releasing me from any affect. I understand this to be grounding out of the spiritual and firmly into the physical.

That’s all I do but I’ll include what my HS instructed me to do because it was an important piece of information for me. Another time I woke up paralysed to what felt like a hand gently, slowly running down the outer of my thigh. I had not yet learned how to tell the difference between the nature of the beings and saw no threat. I was calm and curious and intrigued. I’ll include details about the helpers in each incident, it may help others perceive them more clearly too.

I just know it’s what people refer to as our HS, it’s very clear to me who it is when it/I/she speaks to me. My HS speaks to me directly, very rarely, only when I’m in big trouble and in way over my head. I feel the presence of my HS appear at the height of just slightly above my head, positioned above my right shoulder and it speaks with words, in my head I think. Difficult to discern whether it’s in my head or not because I feel it coming from the position outside myself on my right and hear words spoken clearly and vividly to me, I’m assuming it’s in my head because I’m confident it would be obvious if I was hearing it with my ears.

Back to the attack. My HS said to me, “move”. I hadn’t even tried to move, I hadn’t perceived any danger and it was already obvious to me that I was paralysed. I argued, “I can’t”, and my HS replied in an urgent tone, “Yes you can, it just feels like you can’t, move now!”. And so I did and the incident was immediately over. So as much as it feels like I absolutely can’t move, I actually can, in the manner I have described, every time.

That may or may not have ended up being a sexual attack. I don’t know because I’ve experienced violent attacks before that began gently to get my attention on them and then once I’ve processed what’s happening they pounce on me full force the moment it has elicited a sharp fearful reaction. But I have had one incident that was most definitely of a sexual nature and I broke free the same way. I was out of my body, standing in my kitchen, while my body was sleeping in my bed. I have since moved house but that house was a long house and the kitchen and my bedroom were at opposite ends of the house.

I’ll briefly describe the helper who helped me with this incident. It’s a tricky one to describe but it communicates telepathically and I feel to the right of me, at a distance. The distance varies and depends on the size of the space I’m in because it’s like it’s the fabric of the space that’s communicating to me, and yet I perceive it to always be at the boundary of the space I’m in, coming from the right in a localised space. Anyway, this being watches out for me and intervenes where appropriate. There’s much more I could say about this particular being but I’m still learning about it and this isn’t the place to explore that, but what I will say is that I think it’s always with us and we have the ability to perceive it while fully grounded in the physical realm (and we mistakenly think it’s just our own thoughts).

Ok, so I’m in the kitchen when this being alerts me to a being that’s with my body, it said telepathically, “there’s a being with your body”. I argued (I’m painfully argumentative and complacent at times), “no that’s just the cat” and the being said, “no, it’s not the cat”. I then shifted my focus to the being in the bedroom and felt a very sharp pain of fear in my heart. I understood it to be malevolent and began sprinting towards my body. It suspect it would have been disastrous to have challenged the being while out of my body because the helper being then blinded me by putting very bright light into my eyes (this had happened before, not shocking to me and it doesn’t hurt at all like normal light can).

This caused me to stop dead in my tracks and then I squinted my eyes and opened them again over and over to try and see. This cause me to open my physical eyes, and I was suddenly back in my physical body in the bedroom. Not surprisingly I was paralysed and there was a being on me, attacking me. I was enjoying being out of my body and my body was really tired, so I angrily told the being to **** off, moved, and was released from it. I was so tired that I immediately went back to sleep. Big mistake, don’t do that, get up for a while and really ground yourself if that ever happens. I still had some awareness as I was drifting off to sleep and felt something touching me sexually (not going into details but it was unmistakably sexual). I did as I usually do and was released from it immediately.

I know it’s a terrifying thought to do this while that’s going on, but if you haven’t tried it then you have nothing to lose at that time. If you have tried it and it didn’t work then check and make sure you weren’t praying or seeking help for it while your focus was away from the being. It’s tricky, if you’re begging for help with the being then it’s still a part of the reality you’re perceiving. You have to really let it go, scary at first but always effective without fail in my experience.

Just a couple of notes to finish this post with. I’ve found that I will most often become paralysed regardless of the nature of the being present, and I think it’s due to the huge difference in our energies. So a being can be benevolent too and have the same effect. Best to play it safe until you are certain you know the nature of the being and just ground yourself as soon as you can but once you’re clear it’s a benevolent being you can just ask it to move a little further away to release this effect.

Aside from dreams, I don’t recall ever being left alone during any of my experiences, regardless of the nature of the experience. I suspect that none of us are ever alone and it’s just a matter of being able to perceive them clearly enough. If you think there was a benevolent being present (some can appear scary, they’re alien to us) then there probably was a benevolent being present. I have not experienced a malevolent being being able to trick me energetically, only with actions. In my experience we can trust our senses with that.

[AutumnW]

Well that was a scary read. One experience as frightening as that and I might just die of fright. Hate to admit it.

I watched a very interesting documentary about elves and fairies and it feels like these experiences are similar. We call them aliens today as that fits our current model of reality. They may not even have anything to do with Ufos people see in the sky.