Bigfoot in my back yard in Ecuador (well, pretty close)

[Bill Ryan]

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I came across this article just now. I'd not heard of this particular encounter (a very close sighting or a large hairy hominid by three reliable witnesses), and this is very close to the area of the hike I went on with Mara the :dog: and two friends a few months ago... read about that here, with some good photos to show the habitat.

The Impermanence of All Things (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88989-The-Impermanence-of-All-Things)

I was aware that a solo hiker back in the late 1980s had been physically attacked by two large hairy ape-like creatures (read below), which were not bears (the bears in the Andes are small, rare and timid, and look like this (http://www.ourendangeredworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Spectacled-Bear-cub-700x350.jpg)), but survived the incident and was hospitalized with heavy cuts and scratches on his arms. But I didn't know about this 2013 report:

http://cuencahighlife.com/another-monster-sighting-in-the-cajas-mountains-british-hikers-and-guide-debating-whether-to-release-photos

Another ‘monster’ sighting in the Cajas Mountains; British hikers and guide debating whether to release photos

He is called Wawa Grande by the indigenous people living in the Cajas Mountains west of Cuenca. He was called the Monstruo de las Cajas in a 1997 German magazine article.

http://sltecuador.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cajas-national-park1.jpg

He can also be called the monster that won’t go away, despite the best efforts of Ecuador’s national park service and a number of scientists.

A Quito television station reported three weeks ago that two British hikers and their tour guide spotted the elusive creature in Cajas National Park during a three-day trek. The trio claimed to have observed the over-sized humanoid animal for several minutes in a remote area of the park in early April.

“I have no idea what it was other than to say it was quite large, with light colored fur and had human characteristics. It was able to stand on two legs but also came down on all fours,” said Sean Worthington, one of the hikers. He added: “I am a scientist by training and not prone to make fanciful claims, but I cannot deny seeing the thing.”

Worthington and his companion, Roger Chrisma, and the guide, reported that they watched the creature for several minutes from a distance of about 100 meters. Worthington said they took pictures but don’t know whether they will release them to the media.

It is the first publicly reported Wawa Grande sighting since 2008 and 2009, when there was a rash of them. Tour guides then said that the sightings were concentrated in a small area, in the higher elevations of the park.

Wawa Grande, which takes its name from the Quechuan word for 'baby' and the Spanish word for 'big', reportedly stands upright on two legs and has thick, light gray or reddish hair. The Wawa legend dates back at least 200 years in Ecuador’s southern Andes but several reported sightings since the 1980s sparked international interest.

Wawa made headlines in July, 1988 when a Scottish hiker claims he was attacked by a pair of the creatures. Robert Burns, who sought shelter in a cave from a late afternoon snow storm, says he was mauled by the Wawas and tossed from the cave. Burns was treated for a broken arm, deep lacerations and bite wounds at a Cuenca hospital. His story was reported on Cuenca television as well as in newspapers in Great Britain.

In 2009, two Swedish hikers say they saw the creature and reported that it stood between seven and eight feet in height and weighed 300 to 400 pounds. Their story, along with a picture that they claimed to have taken, appeared in a Stockholm newspaper in July of that year.

Quito-based guide Carlos Castro, who says he took video of the creature during a 1997 hike with three German tourists, claims to have seen Wawa on two occasions.

According to Castro, many Cajas guides are aware of Wawa, either from personal contact or through reports from hikers. “Some people don’t like to talk about it because their friends will think they’re crazy,” he says. “Even if they haven’t seen Wawa, almost everyone who has spent much time in the mountains has seen the footprints and other evidence.”

Castro says he has seen plaster castings of Wawa footprints, some measuring almost two feet in length. “These are kept at the University of Cuenca, as well as pictures and other items, but it is impossible to gain access,” he adds, “In fact, it is official policy to deny that they even exist.”

A retired national park service biologist, who worked in the Cajas Park when it was established in 1996, agrees that there is an official policy of denial and that park employees are told not to talk about the alleged monster. “It does not exist. That is what we told anyone who asked about it.” He also says that the science department at the University of Cuenca has some “objects” and photos connected to Wawa, but these are off limits to the public.

While he worked at the park, the biologist, who asked not to be identified, said that the park office routinely turned down media requests for information and assistance regarding Wawa. “There was a U.S. television show called Monster Quest that kept asking for help, but we refused. We told them there was nothing up there and no reason to do a TV show.”

The biologist says he as seen the creature personally. “I am a very skeptical person but I am very sure that I saw something. It was very big, with light colored fur, but looked like a little like a human being.”

He adds: “Something that is important to say, however, is that the area where I saw this thing and where other people have too, is very high. It is above 4,200 meters and is often foggy and sometimes snowy. It could be easy to imagine something up there.” On the other hand, he says it is ideal terrain for avoiding contact with the outside world. “It is very isolated with caves and hot springs, so something could survive there without being seen.”

Worthington and Chrisma, both from London, say that they are not sure what they will do with the pictures. “Only us, our guide, and another hiker we met in Cuenca have seen them. We may end up simply keeping them to ourselves. We’re not looking for publicity, and, in fact, would prefer to avoid it.”

[bogeyman]

These Bigfoot sightings are interesting and their origins maybe complex. It is not just a process of an entity existing in remote locations, it be more than just this simple explanation.

[Bill Ryan]

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Another article, this time from last year (2015)

http://cuencahighlife.com/monster-of-the-cajas-wont-go-away-despite-the-best-efforts-of-scientists (http://cuencahighlife.com/monster-of-the-cajas-wont-go-away-despite-the-best-efforts-of-scientists/)

‘Monster of the Cajas’ won’t go away despite denials by scientists

Despite the best efforts of Cajas National Park and University of Cuenca officials and scientists, the so-called Monstruo de las Cajas, or Monster of the Cajas, won’t go away.

A three-man television crew from the U.S. was in town in early September, interviewing witnesses and filming high-altitude areas of the Cajas National Park where the monster has reportedly been sighted. The crew was accompanied by Quito tour guide Carlos Castro, who claims to have taken video of the creature in 1997.

“We talked to two retired park employees, one whom has seen the monster, as well as local people who know about it,” said Castro, who assisted the Los Angeles-based crew. “We asked to see the evidence kept at the University of Cuenca but they continue to deny that it exists but we were able to talk to a former employee who took pictures of plaster casts of the footprints and who has prints of some of the pictures they keep locked in their files.”

A University of Cuenca biology professor who asked not to be identified, said he does not believe the monster exists. “I am not saying that the witnesses are lying or that they didn’t see something up there, but I think most of the evidence has been fabricated,” he said. “I have seen one the videos and two pictures but these could have been altered.” He says the box of evidence that Castro claims the university is keeping from the public doesn’t exist.

“I explained this to the television people from (the television program) Monster Quest in 2009 but they seemed to think I was lying,” the professor said. “I also told them that the area where people say they saw this thing is often foggy and that the high elevation can affect your judgement.”

A supervisor at Cajas National Park refused to discuss the monster. “This is something we do not talk about. Wawa does not exist,” he said, referring to the name Wawa Grande, used by people who live in the Cajas to describe the monster.

The most recent “sighting” was in April 2013, when two British hikers and a Cuenca guide claimed to have spotted the creature during a three-day trek. The three said that they watched the over-sized humanoid for several minutes in a remote area of the park.

“I have no idea what it was other than to say it was quite large, with light colored fur and had some human characteristics. It was able to stand on two legs but also came down on all fours,” said Sean Worthington, one of the hikers. He added: “I am a scientist by training and not prone to make fanciful claims, so I cannot deny seeing the thing.”

Worthington and his companion, Roger Chrisma and the guide, reported that they watched the creature for several minutes from a distance of about 100 meters. The sighting was reported by a Quito television station and one of the pictures that Worthington said he took appeared in a London newspaper in October 2013.

According to Worthington and Chrisma and their guide, who asked not to be named, the creature had thick, light gray or reddish gray fur.

The monster first made headlines in July, 1988 when a Scottish hiker claims he was attacked by a pair of the creatures. Robert Burns, who sought shelter in a cave from a late afternoon snow storm, says he was mauled by the Wawas and tossed from the cave. Burns was treated for a broken arm, deep lacerations and bite wounds at a Cuenca hospital. His story was reported on television as well as in a newspaper in Edinburgh.

In 2009, two Swedish hikers say they saw the creature and reported that it stood between seven and eight feet in height and weighed 300 to 400 pounds. Their story, along with a picture that they claimed to have taken, appeared in a Stockholm newspaper in July of that year.

Except for the fur color, most descriptions of the creature are similar to those of the alleged Bigfoot, or Sasquatch, in the U.S. Northwest.

According to Castro, many Cajas guides are aware of Wawa, either from personal contact or through reports from hikers. “Most people don’t like to talk about it because their friends will think they’re crazy,” he says. “Even if they haven’t seen Wawa, almost everyone who has spent much time in the mountains has seen the footprints.”

A retired national park service biologist, who worked in the Cajas Park when it was established in 1996, agrees that there is an official policy of denial and that park employees are told not to talk about the alleged monster. “It does not exist. That is what we told anyone who asked about it.” He also says that the science department at the University of Cuenca has some “objects” and photos connected to Wawa, but these are off limits to the public.

[Bill Ryan]

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Well, this has my [strong!] interest now.

I have a friend who knows a local mountain guide, and (maybe significantly) his biologist wife. I'll ask to meet them. They'll surely know all the details. (I've never sought out or spoken with any local guides before, because I have quite a lot of experience in this kind of terrain and never considered I needed them.)

The interesting thing for me is the exact area where these creatures have been encountered. If it's consistently above 4,200m (13,750 ft), then that really narrows it down quite a lot. There are a number of peaks that high, and I've been to a few of them, but most of the valleys and lakes, where there's also some fairly thick forest, are a bit lower than that.

I do have an idea where this may be, though, and it'd be pretty remote, requiring a 2-3 day hike to get in there. It's certainly do-able. With my fearless dog, I'd surely be fine. :)

http://projectavalon.net/Mara_wants_to_go_home.jpg

[Tyy1907]

Just a heads up Bill. These creatures can have a predisposition of not liking humans at all. They've been screwed over too many times by them. Go with your (and your dog's) gut when u go exploring. An open pure intentioned heart may help. Good luck!.:bigsmile:

[Althena]

I would not go there with out some protection Bill, take dogs and friends and at least a .22. It's better than nothing.

[bogeyman]

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Well, this has my [strong!] interest now.

I have a friend who knows a local mountain guide, and (maybe significantly) his biologist wife. I'll ask to meet them. They'll surely know all the details. (I've never sought out or spoken with any local guides before, because I have quite a lot of experience in this kind of terrain and never considered I needed them.)

The interesting thing for me is the exact area where these creatures have been encountered. If it's consistently above 4,200m (13,750 ft), then that really narrows it down quite a lot. There are a number of peaks that high, and I've been to a few of them, but most of the valleys and lakes, where there's also some fairly thick forest, are a bit lower than that.

I do have an idea where this may be, though, and it'd be pretty remote, requiring a 2-3 day hike to get in there. It's certainly do-able. With my fearless dog, I'd surely be fine. :)

http://projectavalon.net/Mara_wants_to_go_home.jpg




Well Bill that very interesting the thing is what will do if you encounter so named Bigfoot? Maybe there is a reason why these creatures avoid people and are located in specific regions? Habit, food supply, water, or something else perhaps?

[Bill Ryan]

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For those who've not seen this little home movie yet, here's the kind of terrain we're talking about. The most representative shots are actually towards the end of the video. There's a lot of open ground, but frequent patches of thick little forest, and plenty of places for even a large creature to hide.

There are very few humans in this area... it's not like Yosemite or Yellowstone! :) You can be out there all day and rarely see another person, and never see another person if you're not on a trail. (It's pretty easy to explore anywhere you want to go if one's in reasonably good shape.)

Enjoy (the music, especially :star: )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prRx2liK-QA

[bogeyman]

Bigfoot map in the United States by location

http://www.bfro.net/gdb/

World Map

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1Ak-BQArjKb2uY6NfenxeV1ga16M&hl=en

FYI

Big Foot in Ecuador?

http://www.expatexchange.com/expat/index.cfm?frmid=202&tpcid=3362474
http://cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/ecuadorian-hairy-hominid-photographed-by-british-hikers/
http://blog.pro-ecuador.com/a-mysterious-black-beast-near-cuenca-ecuador-is-mutilating-cattle/

[bogeyman]

There has to be a connection to all the sightings of this mysterious creature throughout the world, have they ever been drawn out to lower levels in search of food, water or just curiosity, they seem as conscious as we are, but are there levels of consciousness from lower to higher levels? Is there a social structure, is there a ruler, is there some unknown language, is there families of them? Are they tribalistic? Do they fight amongst themselves? Are they as interested in us as we are in them? Do they some form of technology or tools? Do they learn to adapt to the ever changing environment?

[Matina]

I already see Mara,the fearless dog,growing wings the moment she smells this creature :flypig:

[Foxie Loxie]

I recall two people who have actually seen Bigfoots climbing down out of a UFO. One was a lady in WA state, & one a man in S. America. He kept quiet about it for years as he didn't want to be ridiculed. I'm assuming I learned of this on either Avalon, or Camelot, ECETI Ranch has had quite a few sightings as well. One man had a younger Bigfoot run up to him, stop & then take off again! They seem to warn people off from their territory. I also recall some island in the S. Pacific where beings actually moved a huge piece of equipment during the night. The DO seem to be all over the world!

[Cardillac]

hi All-

all one needs to do is research the findings of geneticist Dr. Melba Ketchum or read anthrpologist Lloyd Pye's book "Everything You Know is Wrong"- these creatures definitely exist- WHY SHOULD'T THEY?-

as Pye pointed out in his book: it took western huminity over 2OOO yrs. to finaly (not until 1920's) to accept the fact the Panda bear actually exists; WHY?- because the habitat of the Panda bear exists in a very remote, mountainous area that is normally not easily accessiblble to humans- because one had not personally seen it (except for a few Chinese who braved the terrain) it was labled Chinese "mythology" (Panda was only previously known on paintings)-

we're going through the same 'schtick' now (nothing changes): people flatly refuse to believe these creatures could possibly exit because one has not successfuly been captured (they live in dense brush/mountainous areas that we humans simply cannot physically negotiate because of their incredible physical strength- and they tend to avoid us- probably they know we will kill them)

all I can say is read Pye's book; and the testament in the book of the Swedish-born lumberjack in Canada and his testament of how he was abducted by a family of Sasquatch-

now take it a step farther: read law-enforcement officer David Paulides's dual-volumn "Missing411" books about the unexplained disappearances in the N. American wilderness- I'll leave you on a tangent-

enough for now-

please be well all-

Larry







the same goes for these Hominoids; they exist (habitat) an area that we humans (the weakest of the bi-peds) cannot negotiate

[samildamach]

You could always attach a dash cam to Mara,s collar while u explore ,you never know what she might find

[TrumanCash]

I would bet some serious money that there is an underground facility with Grays and Bigfoot nearby in those mountains. I am not the only one who has had contact with Bigfoot vis a vis alien spacecraft and Grays (and in my case it would also include Mantids).

From my own experience and that of others Bigfoot beings usually perform the function of what we would call "bodyguards".

[Sunny-side-up]

Bill if you go to try see and or meet them:

They the true Humanoid creature of this planet, the old ones.

We pushed them back into the places that we find hard to live in.

Hike through fast setting up motion cameras as you go,
DON'T try creeping up on them (This is what pain bringers/hunters do)(Not that you could creep up on them anyways ha),
make nice noise as you travel,
leave gifts of fruit/veg/food but not meat, also some pretty things :)

Add to that photos of your self, maria and company, let them know you bring gifts and not pain, let them study you/photos!

Even add your names, who knows what they really know of us!

Don't go into any sort of hidden caves you might find, they are probable theirs, camera and gifts :)

Remember they are probably nocturnal so take night vision with you. because they are nocturnal cover over any camera flashing/blinking lights :)

I'm sure you have watched this Lloyd Pye vid but it is totally appropriate for your post :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8

Bit long but covers Hominids and even Hybrids between them and us.

[Sunny-side-up]

Google Earth says it all, quite some area there :sun:

2 degrees 46'16.85"s 79 degrees 11'39.99" w elev 4058m keep climbing :)

Height, forest and water.

Have fun :sun:

[raff]

It wasn't you Bill dressed up in a monkey suit for a lark was it? I can't say that there's enough topics on Avalon to discuss hey?

[Cardillac]

just as an addendum to my lst posting: according to Lloyd Pye the smalest of these Hominoids (if I reall the name correctly) are Agogwes and they exist in the jungles of Africa; so why shouldn't they exist in the jungles of S. America?-

Larry

[bogeyman]

Common factors in the various locations in which Big foot is sighted maybe important, environment, ancient sites, usually occurrences, are there any connections between the sightings throughout the world, what are the patterns?

[Ewan]

Bill,


“I have no idea what it was other than to say it was quite large, with light colored fur and had human characteristics. It was able to stand on two legs but also came down on all fours,” said Sean Worthington, one of the hikers. He added: “I am a scientist by training and not prone to make fanciful claims, but I cannot deny seeing the thing.”

I've just finished reading David Paulides 'The Hoopa Project' and 'Tribal Bigfoot' back to back and I don't believe there is a single mention of one of these hominids ever going down on all fours. However, it may have been ducking or using something for purchase so possibly an insignificant remark.

In the aforementioned books there is a tentative conclusion that the lighter coloured hominids are juvenile, like teenagers.

There is also a far more relevant conclusion towards the end of the second book, Tribal Bigfoot, that there are not just one but two hominids out there. One more prone to aggression. From early DNA results there may be a link between the possible inter-breeding with humans (native american) leading to the more placid hominid. Pure speculation at present.

Re: Interbreeding - There is a surprising amount of possible kidnaps and rapes including even one account of a male captured by a female. Paulides even comments on the statistics of reported rapes amongst humans, adding that a hominid/human encounter is far less likely to be reported. A valid assumption I feel.

We cannot know the circumstances of the alleged attack, it may have been provoked in perhaps a naive way. Good intention will go a long way as you well know but bear in mind its usefulness would depend on the hominid encountered.

As to Mara I think she'll be fine as she'll stick to you like glue if there is an encounter, failing that she'll make it home long before you. :)

[ghostrider]

I have read where bigfoots are real, and few are still alive because something happened and they no longer have the ability to procreate ...

[Shannon]

You could always attach a dash cam to Mara,s collar while u explore ,you never know what she might find


Lol, I refer you to this post above by matina...
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92551-Bigfoot-in-my-back-yard-in-Ecuador--well-pretty-close-&p=1089625&viewfull=1#post1089625


"I already see Mara,the fearless dog,growing wings the moment she smells this creature "


If anything mara would be the "canary in the coal mine"... But what do I know. :)

[Tyy1907]

Well if Bill does go ahead with this multi day trek in the mountains, the saYing "Now that's living" comes to mind
:highfive:

[mgray]

In the words of David Paulides, no one has gone missing with a GPS beacon and a firearm. Not sure where you stand on the latter Bill, but it may be prudent.

[mojo]

Thought this one might be of interest... So, Bill guess I haven't heard you speak of Bigfoot before. What do you think about him? Is he just another primate or have special abilities? It seems like he also can be good and bad...lol is that deja vu good & bad with ETs? just thinking of your Project Camelot meeting with Greer...

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[bogeyman]

Do these creatures have more evolved or sensitive instincts than us humans, hence the ability to sense when any intruders are around so it makes them more illusive to human contact?

[Bill Ryan]

Bill guess I haven't heard you speak of Bigfoot before. What do you think about him? Is he just another primate or have special abilities?

I've been fascinated by Bigfoot for years, and have actually posted here on Avalon quite a lot.

Do read this, the most compelling (and fascinating) Bigfoot encounter I ever heard, when one of the creatures was injured in a forest fire, was witnessed at very close hand by a whole team of firefighters (the Bigfoot was medically treated, and then removed to another location), and the entire incident was hushed up:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91656-Sasquatch-Cover-up-Does-the-Government-know-about-Sasquatch&p=1078880&viewfull=1#post1078880

My [tentative!] opinion about what Bigfoot/Sasquatch is that on the face of it, it seems fairly likely to be a relic (i.e. non-extinct, surviving) Gigantopithecus. But having said that, I'm aware of the DNA analysis of Dr Melba Ketchum (see this post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89321-The-story-of-Zana-Zanya-Zena-a-female-Alma--wild-man--captured-in-1850-in-Georgia&p=1052282&viewfull=1#post1052282), also), whose work suggests it's a hybrid of some kind.

So yes, equally tentatively, I think it's an exotic, rare (or maybe even not so rare!) primate, and nothing esoteric or out-of-this-world. But I'd not actually stake my life on that. :)

[bogeyman]

There has been alleged encounters with similar creatures and in the same vicinity UFOs have been sighted. Could it have interdimensional associations? Or a mixture of everything I wonder. Is Bigfoot an ancient creature making our theory of evolution wrong? It seems to be aware of its own existence to some degree of intelligent is there, and in some cases in seems to take our present for granted, so is it aware of our technology and what happens if it sees an aircraft or has found a radio that has been lost by explorers? There are so man ramifications to all this. What is the creatures relations to other forms of life other than humans? Are there different types with a social structure, are they solitarily creatures or like social contact?

[Sunny-side-up]

Ewan/Bill in lioyd Pye work/vid he mentions that primitive cultures used Hominids as slaves, capturing, then training them to work for them, and yes as sex slaves causing hybrid berths.
Some hybrids have become adults and lived in the normal towns. Graves of the last to die are known of etc.

Lloyd Pye has come to the conclusion, with geneticist input that, we are a hybrid of Male-Anunnaki and Female-Earth-Hominids.































Anunnaki and Female-Earth-Hominid

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Sunny for posting the Lloyd Pye video....I had never seen it! Most informative!! :highfive:

[guido]

hi All,

I live in a city and a country to small and to many people to have bigfoots here.
But i was always curious not really searching on information on BFoot.

I red a book (16 years ago) named; the masters of the far east. Their life and their teachings. "Its about" a groep of scientists who go to the foreign Persie around the year 1894. In the 3 years they spend there doing research, really a lot happens. Very wonderful things. They do meet people with an extreme amount of knowledge on life and being spirit in humanbody.

Somewhere in the book there is an explanation by the wise man on the Snowman living in the remote area s. Some of the scientists took time in the journey to go and find the snowman in the remote mountains. The did get permission from the wise man. The wise man felt love for the snowman and did not want the snowman to be hunted or shot. The wise man explaned that the snowman once ....times ago.....were humans. Humans that were send away and being hunted not to come back, exicled people, which had to survive in remote areas. Over the years and years (evolution) they transformend from beings with human bodies into to snowman like beings which became adapted to mother nature.

By the way, The scientists did not see them due to bad weather and snowy curcumstances.


:sun:

with love Guido

[Atlas]

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[Rex]

Keep in mind the Saquatchs don't like dogs and they don't like them. I don't know if that's better or worse when out looking for them, but David Paulides has many cases of people going missing with their dogs (his latest book covers missing hunters, some with dogs). Bring a sat phone or transponder/locator.

[Sunny-side-up]

Personally I would not risk my dog to such a venture. her being with you could at minimum mean no show of the others, at worst she could trigger negative actions thinking she is protecting you.

Leave her at home safe and sound to welcome you back.

[bogeyman]

I did read one account where so name Bigfoot had some form of telepathic abilities, but there are many different types so who knows where all this is going.

[shaberon]

These reports are just a slight stones' throw from "uncontacted human tribes" of which there are...many. At this point, "we" think we've probably found them all, but many of them are considered "uncontacted" since the contacts were fairly hostile and it was obvious they wanted to be left alone, and they are. Brazil has many, also in the Andaman Islands and New Guinea. Even since the advent of color photography, some of the New Guinea tribes did not know there were any other people--not in terms of white European explorers, they did not know there were any more tribes in New Guinea. At least 800 languages are spoken there, most of which are mutually unintelligible.

Those tribes seem to have an average population of about 200. With that kind of behavior coming from something close to a "normal" human, I imagine it would be more extreme from someone who may have super senses or telepathy, disinterest in any contact, and great strength to stay away.

Of course, I've heard that humans have a form of telepathy, but there are many different kinds of those.

So if I had to guess, in order to meet them, you'd probably have to bathe in dead fish and excrement and live like them for several years. During that time, grow another foot or two taller. Otherwise, I bet it will just be glimpses and guesswork for us, along with the customary "official denial".

[Joe Akulis]

My hope is that the debate over their existence will eventually fade and a general acceptance will set in. THEN we can dive into the (IMO) more important discussion:

Can we prove these creatures are sentient? Like a lot of people would say about dolphins. THEN we can ask questions like, are they also an "ensouled" species like humans? If so, then things really get interesting. I've read stories of astral travelers who have interacted with the spirits of those who inhabited dolphins before. (It sounded like dolphins look down their noses at humans. At least the one in the account did. If so, I don't blame them one bit for being like that.)

But it kind of opens up the possibility of different forms of spiritual contact to find out more about their race and their history. That kind of thing is not always the most reliable form of research but I think it is still helpful. I've read accounts of other encounters where it sure seemed like some of them have telepathic abilities. Which kind of makes me lean toward these beings as perhaps more spiritually mature than we are, or maybe a certain percentage of them. If they're any thing like us, then the young ones are often more rash and quick to overreact compared to the elders of their race. :- )

FYI - I'm pretty sure Dolores Cannon has come across people in her past life recall work who have shed a little light on this subject too, but it kind of falls in the territory of legend. As in: there are legends that claim to depict the reasons why Mars lost its atmosphere, and what caused the asteroid belt out beyond Mars. That kind of stuff is interesting reading but you can't put a lot of stock in it. Again, just my opinion.

Joe

[bogeyman]

Are some of these sighting deliberate like they want to be seen for some unknown reason, or do they choose who they show themselves to?

[Fellow Aspirant]

Sounds exciting, Bill. However, it also sounds a little dangerous.

I'd like to chime in here about the advisability of bringing Mara along. While she would certainly be great for alerting you to unseen (but detected by her nose) biologicals, I'm not so sure that she would be up to the job of scaring off or defeating something truly ferocious - at least without putting her own life in danger. In addition, she herself may become the reason for an approach and attack - humans are relatively benign, dogs would rightly be see as threatening.

A gun of some sort, assuming one is proficient, might be good in a real attack, but could go wrong very easily. At the very least, keeping something non-lethal like bear spray or an airhorn noisemaker ready to hand would be a good idea, I think.

So, do you really want to retrieve your backpack so badly?

Namaste my friend,

Brian

[mojo]

Bill your dog might be a great partner in showing you there is something strange happening. This dog definitely acts it...
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[raff]

Dear Bill, I read a fascinating channeled account of Bigfoot by Robert Shapiro in one of his books. From what I remember they are inner earth beings but come to the surface occasionally to walk and are fascinated by smells. They have apparently an acute sense of smell that ranges across large distances. If I wanted to meet them I would certainly consider them benign but like any creature if hunted they would defend themselves. I would certainly go unarmed and if my pooch was a little aggressive I would not take for fear of either offending or at least being a barrier to contact. Having the intent to meet them and a heart felt feeling of openness and peacefulness would i only venture forth with these tools. Cooking nice, pleasant foods (not meats as they are according to the account vegetarian) or other such items like soap could be an attraction to these beings. But a heartfelt and benign wish to look in their eyes, smile and welcome them (from a safe and non threatening distance) would be a good place to start in my opinion. I believe if you felt this in yourself and approached their vicinity they may if feeling safe gift you a meeting. I believe these beings are extremely psychic and can certainly sense who you are, what your roughly thinking and whether they wish to be seen by you. I do believe that these beings are fully self aware although they may not have a grasp of language like ourselves but more like animals communicate through feelings (we may speak the words but they have to be felt as well and they don't necessarily need to be spoken aloud but internally and the words are felt as a full body experience)

May you have a safe and pleasant adventure dear Bill.

[Swanette]

He has a conversation with 'the big guy' at about 8:50mins of the video.
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Published on Mar 29, 2015


This was my last visit to the private property in the Kawartha region of Ontario, Canada where I spent 2 and a half years with dozens of visits, developing and interacting with a family of sasquatch.
This video is from years of extended effort into pursuing contact with the sasquatch. A unique situation developed where for the first time, someone has documented contact with a supposed mythical being., the sasquatch. A subject that is mocked due to the stigmatization put on it through media, deterring and misguiding through ridicule and making it a laughing matter. Science biased and not pursuing all avenues of this subject although it's well known that there are experiencers, which are all stating the same bahaviour in activity. Sasquatch behaviour shows something entirely unique to everything else we're aware of.
Interactions with the sasquatch people will forever alter the understanding of reality for each and every individual they choose to interact with. This goes against everything you were taught. I went into this opened minded, curious and unexpecting, as should you.



Video of ORBS

Bill, remember the picture of you with a friend several years ago in Northern California in the Redwoods with hundreds of ORBS in it?

***Well, Here is a video he presented showing their ORBS.

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[raff]

This may sound funny to say but dogs imo are keenly sensitive to their human masters temperament and psyche. If they know that this type of contact would freak their human owners minds out and send them into fear mode they will bark at the threat and as i saw it the dog was telling that Bigfoot to go away (if the dog felt that the Bigfoot was a violent threat then I would assume he would of attacked or at least gone into attack mode)
That's my take on this contact. Thank you very interesting.

[raff]

Well after watching those fascinating videos all I can say Bill is your gonna need a good grasp of hand gestures and pointing. As if you were speaking with a "foreigner"who doesn't spreki the lingo. About as comprehensable as a lager lout after a night on the lash.
Good luck mate your gonna need it.
I can just imagine it our dear o'l Bill, proper english gentleman meeting a big hairy sasquatch saying "would you like to pop round for a cup of tea" and the sasquatch says "Uggg, Uggg, Laaaagerrr.
Lol, seriously Bill good luck.

[angelfire]

.
For those who've not seen this little home movie yet, here's the kind of terrain we're talking about. The most representative shots are actually towards the end of the video. There's a lot of open ground, but frequent patches of thick little forest, and plenty of places for even a large creature to hide.

There are very few humans in this area... it's not like Yosemite or Yellowstone! :) You can be out there all day and rarely see another person, and never see another person if you're not on a trail. (It's pretty easy to explore anywhere you want to go if one's in reasonably good shape.)

Enjoy (the music, especially :star: )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prRx2liK-QA




What a beautiful Video, Bill!

[Atlas]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/crypto/bigfoot/ecuador-creature.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/crypto/bigfoot/ecuador-creature.jpg

Excellent, and thanks... I'd never heard of that.

What I'd really like to dig up are the photos of the creature taken in 2003 and published in Sweden, and the accounts published at the time of the serious attack on the Scottish hiker in 1988.

[bogeyman]

Do certain people have an infinite to this creature, i.e. a nature attraction or natural ability, like some one who is meant to be?

[bogeyman]

Also don't forget to those that go seeking Bigfoot, it is his/her back yard, and your infringing on its territory, it maybe territorial don't forget. You may be seen as a treat, especially if your carrying some form of weapon. It may of had bad experiences in the past. I wonder if Bigfoot has ever been seen in the vicinity of a small town in search of food or tools perhaps, or just curiosity?

[bogeyman]

Another thing the bigfoot phenomena is commercial hence you are going to get all sorts of activities in relation to the sightings, including fake reports, fake images, hunters wanting trophies, evidence seekers some dead or alive attitude, and also private companies may be interested in genetic research, military involvement regarding using this creature for some unknown purpose. Also think about the possibility of genetic classified experiments done by non governmental institutions what if something escaped? How do we know that bigfoot or what ever term you use has not already been captured by the government, military, intelligence agencies, private corporations and kept classified, especially if it does fit in with our theory of evolution, it could cause a tidal wave.

[raff]

If it was territorial then it would attack humans which as far as I'm aware they havent. I think they have a far more peaceful intent something that we don't yet understand. Walking the land barefoot is a very spiritual act like deer trails or other such animals. I do feel that all beings, all species whether knowingly or unknowingly provide an energy of life that nurtures, sustains and expands the functions of mother earth. Some indigenous tribes knew this and I believe the sasquatch knows this too for why would he come so close to humans and yet not allow themselves to be captured. These beings are not territorial nor are they hunters because what food do they eat in the forest? No if they were hunting these beings would of been found out and killed all too easily. Perhaps they are also waiting for us humans to catch up in the heart and soul place when we are able to live in peace and harmony with the earth. Maybe their "visitations" are a reminder to us of that. And to not destroy that which is wholly different from us but accept and learn to communicate without the fear These type of beings could bring, sort of a precursor for the future awakening and contact with other non human type beings.

[Spellbound]

Make sure you bring some chewing tobacco with you Bill. If you haven't already (I'm sure you are familiar)...check out the case of Albert Ostman.

Good luck!! I'm not sure I'd be out in the mountains if there were sasquatch sightings in the area. I tip my hat (if I had one).

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Sorry, I should have included a brief synopsis.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdlgFP5XyjM

Dave - Toronto

[Shannon]

This is an interesting video, I could do without the analysis, but it is kinda helpful...

This is a web cam from old faithful, and it shows a group of 4 Sasquatch, hunting bison or buffalo. It's pretty cool.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRurxAtiLkM


And another one I found pretty impressive ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31iMxiZUqVc

[bogeyman]

Also if you have a dog with you or another animal their instincts maybe more sensitive and they maybe more aware of Bigfoot's presence. But then they may freak out!

[Bill Ryan]

... But then they may freak out!

If I had any of the problems members here have been a little concerned about (but thanks! :star: ) I'd consider myself fortunate to have had the very remarkable experience. The odds on encountering one of these things seem very small indeed. But it'd sure be fun to venture into that remote territory. (Yes, Mara the :dog: definitely comes too :thumbsup: )

Note to self: when sheltering in a cave, just make sure you're not like Goldilocks, wandering into someone else's home. That'd upset anybody, human or not. :bigsmile:

[Sunny-side-up]

... But then they may freak out!

If I had any of the problems members here have been a little concerned about (but thanks! :star: ) I'd consider myself fortunate to have had the very remarkable experience. The odds on encountering one of these things seem very small indeed. But it'd sure be fun to venture into that remote territory. (Yes, Mara the :dog: definitely comes too :thumbsup: )

Note to self: when sheltering in a cave, just make sure you're not like Goldilocks, wandering into someone else's home. That'd upset anybody, human or not. :bigsmile:

Coolness Bill :sun:

As for weapons, well just remember it is their home not ours, taking a weapon is invasion, if you thought you needed then simply don't go :)

I know if you go it will be a very level headed, calm and enjoyable adventure.

I hope if anyone meets one of these old earthlings it's you and that you both have some enlightenment.

[sunwings]

http://joanocean.com/sasquatch.html

Did you know that Sasquatch can:

Read
Write,
Shape-shift,
Project Their Voice
Create Infrasound that affects the environment
De-materialize at will, or cause you to have an experience of lost time so you think they de-materialized.
Travel 300 miles a day on foot.
Live in well-lighted underground facilities
Contact and live with Star People
Tell us about our past and our future.
Have lived here longer than the human race.

When I first read this I was very sceptical. I have never had any interest in Sasquatches but this thread caught my interest. Having listened to horrifying ordeals taken place in National Parks throughout America I thought maybe its a hybrid programme gone wild. However the testimony from this website blew my mind. Joan spent a long time camping alone in forests where Sasquatches had been confirmed to be having positive experiences with human beings. I will quickly summarise it because i know we are all busy.

*She never had real physical contact with a Sasquatch just the one confirmed sighting. She points out that it is very difficult. Contact comes in dream states, orbs and they can remote view areas by using other animals eyes.
*They communicated with her in basic writing, left crystals for her, made stone circles and they had dream conversations which she would remember long after the event. Any Physical contact was similar to the feeling of being pushed when sleeping.
*They claimed to have been once like us humans but spiritually evolved. They are in contact mainly with Inner Earth civilisations however have decided to maintain a physical presence in the 3D on the surface. It comes at a high cost maintaining a physical presence.
*She found them to be loving, honest and to be helping humanity.

I have no idea if this matches any data points with other members. My conclusion is Bill or anyone don´t be scared to Venture into nature. Any contact will most likely be non physical but more just a sense of something watching you. Everyone here has learned to follow their senses. So If it scares you it might be a good thing to try!


This song reminds me of Sasquatches :Music::Music::Music:

MrWd0m7pmq8

[Tangri]

This is from Europe (Portugal)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/701032/Man-like-creature-bigfoot

And this one from Oregon

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3745746/Was-Bigfoot-just-spotted-Oregon-Dog-GoPro-strapped-stumbled-bizarre-creature-forest.html

[bogeyman]

If there are variations in Big Foot and other named creatures, have they ever encountered one? Would they be cooperative or tribalistic? Are there variations of the same species like variations in dogs or cats, or are they different species all together. Maybe the variations are a result of environment? How many are there, are there females, children, how long do they live, where are there dwellings? Then should the human species even try to find them after all look what has happen when on so name superior species encounters an inferior one, it is a part of history and mans arrogance.

[bogeyman]

I would also Bill tell someone your exact path your wish to take if your going out to look for this thing and do deviate from it, unless of course you spot it but have some form of GPS or something so some one can track your movements.

[Bill Ryan]

I would also Bill tell someone your exact path you wish to take if you're going out to look for this thing

Yes, that's always a good idea! :thumbsup:

I've been a little hamstrung recently (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92928-In-Search-of-an-Apple-MacBook-Pro-that-runs-Snow-Leopard-For-Bill-Ryan) editing and posting images, but finally got hold of a half-decent map and was able to color it to show where I'm pretty sure the Wawa Grande is hanging out.

This area is super-remote: no trails, no people, no hikers, no nothing. No-one ever goes there, hardly. It's also the highest section of the park, and I've shaded in the areas above 4200m (13,750 ft), going up to 14,500 ft and higher. The search area is within the yellow rectangle (measuring about 4 miles x 5 miles), and the access would be from the red circle on the road to the north.

An Avalon member (an experienced hiker, who's coyly asked to be unnamed for the moment) is flying in for the expedition, so the two of us plus Mara the :dog: will head off in maybe 3 weeks' time to see what we can see. (As anyone with wilderness experience knows, if you can catch a glimpse of 10% of what's looking at you, then you're doing really well. :bigsmile: )

Here's the map, in low resolution. A high resolution version (4640 x 4340, 14 Mb) can be downloaded here:

http://projectavalon.net/cajas_national_park_map_4200m_areas_marked.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/cajas_national_park_map_4200m_areas_marked_sm.jpg

[Ron Mauer Sr]

An Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT) might be useful if there is an emergency.
Here is an example (https://smile.amazon.com/ACR-PLB-375-ResQLink-Personal-Locating/dp/B006JXY0CQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1472523033&sr=8-1&keywords=emergency+locator+transmitter) of one sold by Amazon.

All aircraft, small and large, have an ELT (not this one). Used in maritime service also.

Satellites will have you located within a few minutes.

That is high elevation for anyone not in good physical shape if there is strenuous hiking. If memory serves me correctly, in an aircraft flying at and above 14,000 feet, pilots must be using supplemental oxygen.

[bogeyman]

I wonder are these creatures see as we see, have our perceptions? Also there should be communities if of course they are not solitary creatures. Some maybe vegetarians others may not. It is possible they have evolved to adapt to there environment, and mans ever encroaching development into their living space. Also they may not be resistant to human diseases this is something you must consider, look what happened to some of the native Indians some died of diseases brought to them by others.

[Ewan]

There's certainly a lot of water in that area but what other food sources would you expect to find, firstly for humans and secondly for any hominid who has adapted to living in such an environment? I think it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack and I suspect, from all my reading on the subject, that the more electronic equipment you have the less chance of an encounter. I'm sure it will be quite an experience though, best of luck.

[Bill Ryan]

There's certainly a lot of water in that area but what other food sources would you expect to find, firstly for humans and secondly for any hominid who has adapted to living in such an environment? I think it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack and I suspect, from all my reading on the subject, that the more electronic equipment you have the less chance of an encounter. I'm sure it will be quite an experience though, best of luck.

Yes, it's always been a question for me what these very large creatures (whether human or not!) eat. They'd need a lot of food, every day.

And up there at 14,000 ft, there's lots of scrubby vegetation, but no fruit or berries, and not even that many animals of any kind at all. There are some wild llamas, alpacas and deer up there, but I have no idea how easy they may be to catch. (Likely, not that easy at all: they can gallop away from any biped as fast as horses.)

My best guess is that if these creatures exist, and I think they do, they hide out at high altitudes -- pretty simple to do -- and then make forays down into the valleys where there are all kinds of sheep, pigs, cows and chickens that they could pick off at night, any time they wanted to.

Re electronic equipment, the only thing I'd have would be a small (but good) camera. Transponders and ELTs are a fine idea, but out here in the wilds I'd not be in any way confident any signal would be picked up by (or relayed to) the park authorities. In fact, I'd be almost certain they'd be of no value.

Easiest (and this is serious) would be for me to tell the forum, here on this thread, what my/our plans are. Then if after a few days we seem to go we go AWOL, you guys here can raise the alarm, and the rangers would organize a search on horseback.

But I totally doubt that would be needed. I do know what I'm doing up there, and even though the maps are poor, the area is fairly well contained, with a lot of features like lakes that are easy to identify, especially with a compass to assist: it'd be very hard indeed to get lost. If we're ambushed by a hungry family of Wawa Grandes, I'd happily hand over all my chocolate and be delighted to tell the tale.

:)

[Ron Mauer Sr]

An ELT may not be helpful on your Bigfoot adventure if you need help.

Things have changed since the time when I was familiar with Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELTs), and was a mission pilot with the Civil Air Patrol. Satellites would pick up the signal (I think anywhere on the planet). Using data from more than one satellite, and knowing the satellite's position, the Air Force would calculate the approximate position of the ELT. Then the Civil Air Patrol would launch small aircraft to pinpoint the signal. We could find the ELT signal within a few feet using direction finding equipment in the aircraft.

Satellite monitoring has changed due to many false alarms. Many false alarms were caused simply by hard landings.

"It is important to note that after 2009, existing 121.5-MHz ELTs, although still legal from the FAA's perspective, will provide extremely limited assistance if an aircraft crashes, especially in a remote location."

https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/advocacy-briefs/regulatory-brief-emergency-locator-transmitters-elts

[DNA]

An ELT may not be helpful on your Bigfoot adventure if you need help.

Things have changed since the time when I was familiar with Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELTs), and was a mission pilot with the Civil Air Patrol. Satellites would pick up the signal (I think anywhere on the planet). Using data from more than one satellite, and knowing the satellite's position, the Air Force would calculate the approximate position of the ELT. Then the Civil Air Patrol would launch small aircraft to pinpoint the signal. We could find the ELT signal within a few feet using direction finding equipment in the aircraft.

Satellite monitoring has changed due to many false alarms. Many false alarms were caused simply by hard landings.

"It is important to note that after 2009, existing 121.5-MHz ELTs, although still legal from the FAA's perspective, will provide extremely limited assistance if an aircraft crashes, especially in a remote location."

https://www.aopa.org/advocacy/advocacy-briefs/regulatory-brief-emergency-locator-transmitters-elts



I had friends who worked for Motorola back in the nineties who told me about a satellite configuration put up by Motorola that covered the entire planet.
Motorola thought this would be the next big thing, that they could sell a top of the line super cell phone service where someone could get cell phone coverage anywhere on the planet any time of day. Strangely enough it didn't catch on in the market place like they thought it would, and they ended up selling the satellite configuration to DARPA in the US military.
Below is from Wikipedia


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Iridium satellite constellation


The Iridium satellite constellation is a satellite constellation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_constellation) providing voice and data coverage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_(spaceflight)) to satellite phones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_phone), pagers and integrated transceivers over the Earth's entire surface. Iridium Communications (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_Communications) owns and operates the constellation and sells equipment and access to its services. It was originally conceived by Bary Bertiger, Raymond J. Leopold (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_J._Leopold) and Ken Peterson in late 1987 (and protected by patents by Motorola in their names in 1988) and then developed by Motorola on a fixed-price contract (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-price_contract) from July 29, 1993 to November 1, 1998 when the system became operational and commercially available.
The constellation consists of 66 active satellites in orbit, and additional spare satellites to serve in case of failure.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation#cite_note-satellite-tracking-2) Satellites are in low Earth orbit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_orbit) at a height of approximately 485 mi (781 km) and inclination (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclination) of 86.4°. Orbital velocity of the satellites is approximately 17,000 mph (27,000 km/h). Satellites communicate with neighboring satellites via Ka band (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka_band) inter-satellite links. Each satellite can have four inter-satellite links: two to neighbors fore and aft in the same orbital plane, and two to satellites in neighboring planes to either side. The satellites orbit from pole to pole with an orbit of roughly 100 minutes. This design means that there is excellent satellite visibility and service coverage even at the North and South poles. The over-the-pole orbital design produces "seams" where satellites in counter-rotating planes next to one another are traveling in opposite directions. Cross-seam inter-satellite link hand-offs would have to happen very rapidly and cope with large Doppler shifts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect); therefore, Iridium supports inter-satellite links only between satellites orbiting in the same direction. The constellation of 66 active satellites has 6 orbital planes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_plane_(astronomy)) spaced 30 degrees apart, with 11 satellites in each plane (not counting spares). The original concept was to have 77 satellites, which is where the name Iridium came from, being the element (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium) with the atomic number 77 and the satellites evoking the Bohr model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model) image of electrons orbiting around the Earth as its nucleus. This reduced set of 6 planes is sufficient to cover the entire Earth's surface at every moment.
Because of the shape of the Iridium satellites' reflective antennas, the satellites focus sunlight on a small area of the Earth's surface in an incidental manner. This results in an effect called Iridium flares (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_flare), where the satellite momentarily appears as one of the brightest objects in the night sky and can even be seen during daylight

[Rex]

...
Yes, it's always been a question for me what these very large creatures (whether human or not!) eat. They'd need a lot of food, every day.
...


I've read reports that they're berry eaters. But berries only go so far for those big guys. They also go for bigger game, like deer. Sasquatch are reported to be much faster than humans, due to their much more efficient "shuffle walk" - the late Lloyd Pye covers the ankle/foot structure and walk in Everything You Know Is Wrong. There have been reports of them running alongside horses, and cars, so 35-40mph is not out of the question (there's a dash-cam video that clocks one at 30mph). If they don't always chase down their prey, they can throw rocks (big ones) with great accuracy. And they're smart and as everyone knows, super stealthy. I'm sure they can get fish too. I don't doubt for a second they easily hunt deer and others, whether alone or in groups.

[DNA]

...
Yes, it's always been a question for me what these very large creatures (whether human or not!) eat. They'd need a lot of food, every day.
...


I've read reports that they're berry eaters. But berries only go so far for those big guys. They also go for bigger game, like deer. Sasquatch are reported to be much faster than humans, due to their much more efficient "shuffle walk" - the late Lloyd Pye covers the ankle/foot structure and walk in Everything You Know Is Wrong. There have been reports of them running alongside horses, and cars, so 35-40mph is not out of the question (there's a dash-cam video that clocks one at 30mph). If they don't always chase down their prey, they can throw rocks (big ones) with great accuracy. And they're smart and as everyone knows, super stealthy. I'm sure they can get fish too. I don't doubt for a second they easily hunt deer and others, whether alone or in groups.


They most definitely eat meat. It seems they have an infrasonic ability to paralyze their prey including humans.
My uncle Bruce was roared at from a fairly close distance by a Sasquatch while fishingin the Mark Twain National Forest in MO, he was about fifty feet from the creature.
This caused my uncle Bruce to enter a fugue state of detachment and ease of mind.
There have been many reports of this use of infrasound, but the fact this happened to my very sober uncle makes me even more so sure of it. Some folks report that they lose consciousness, others are paralyzed.
And in at least one case the recipient of what appeared to be infrasound from a Sasquatch entered a disassociated fugue state where they are convinced they are extremely hot (even in freezing potentially deadly winter conditions) and they often can not stop themselves from taking off their clothes and not recognizing nor feel the ill effects of the freezing weather they are in.

Here is the only example I've ever run across that seems to exemplify Sasquatch using this infrasound on someone who began undressing and enter the fugue state.
Or at least it is the only use of it where the person lived and could tell the tale.
Most recepients of this infrasound do not live to tell the tale. David Paulides has documented many such cases in his Missing 411 books.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ekx9GaV-B8



Tigers are said to have this ability as well.
Tigers are said to be able to stun their prey with infrasound.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4KFAjDPB8
Ms4KFAjDPB8

[GloriaP]

I feel both relieved and a little disappointed that we didn't see it Bill. Not sure what I would have done. Probably would have walked a little bit faster back to the car!

[Bill Ryan]

I feel both relieved and a little disappointed that we didn't see it Bill. Not sure what I would have done. Probably would have walked a little bit faster back to the car!

Yes! (Might have to go pretty fast, though, if they can run at 30 mph (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92551-Bigfoot-in-my-back-yard-in-Ecuador--well-pretty-close-&p=1094422&viewfull=1#post1094422) :) )

My/our own little Wawa Grande expedition is scheduled (tentatively) for this next week -- with my Avalonian friend (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92551-Bigfoot-in-my-back-yard-in-Ecuador--well-pretty-close-&p=1093931&viewfull=1#post1093931), just recently arrived, and getting used to the altitude: no simple matter way up at 14,000 ft when on a quick trip from sea level.

Depends on a number of factors... I'll be sure to report back if we do go. We do fully intend to do this, though, and only would not if the thin air defeats us. (If so, I'll go up on my own a little later, with Mara the :dog: -- that is, of course, unless anyone else wants to fly in to join the fun. That's a serious offer...)

:thumbsup:

[Alberto e Daniela]

Hello Bill,
consider having your camera mounted on your helmet or shirt, and keep it on, perhaps on a loop, so when Bigfoot makes his trademark short appearance , you will have him or her recorded !

Good luck

[Bill Ryan]

My/our own little Wawa Grande expedition is scheduled (tentatively) for this next week

This is [kind of] off topic, but my friend and I have decided on a Plan B. the Wawa Grandes will have to wait just a little, maybe.

Instead, we’re heading up to the Páramo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1ramo) (a kind of beautiful, stark, high wilderness plain, way above the treeline at 11,500 ft), 25 miles up a remote dirt road in the middle of absolutely nowhere, to camp out by a tiny creek that I know is there and see if we can make CE5 contact with a few UFOs.

They’re said to be everywhere around in that area… the locals call them “Brujitas”, meaning “Little Witches”. The weather is perfect and the skies are clear, so the very least that will happen is that we’ll have fun counting about 10,000 stars. (And, Hey, the Wawa Grandes may live up there, too.)

Leaving in a couple of hours. If we don’t come back by Thursday, it may be because the ETs have taken us to a better place! But then, that'd deserve a thread of its own.

:)

[Bill Ryan]

My/our own little Wawa Grande expedition is scheduled (tentatively) for this next week

This is [kind of] off topic, but my friend and I have decided on a Plan B. the Wawa Grandes will have to wait just a little, maybe.

Instead, we’re heading up to the Páramo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1ramo) (a kind of beautiful, stark, high wilderness plain, way above the treeline at 11,500 ft), 25 miles up a remote dirt road in the middle of absolutely nowhere, to camp out by a tiny creek that I know is there and see if we can make CE5 contact with a few UFOs.

They’re said to be everywhere around in that area… the locals call them “Brujitas”, meaning “Little Witches”. The weather is perfect and the skies are clear, so the very least that will happen is that we’ll have fun counting about 10,000 stars.(And, Hey, the Wawa Grandes may live up there, too.)


Update: saw no Wawa Grandes, but I did sleep out under the stars (maybe there were 20,000!), and saw one spectacular constant bright light that moved soundlessly right across the sky from horizon to horizon without dimming... too slow for a meteor or a fireball, but much too fast for a plane or satellite. That alone made it all worth while. :star:

My friend (this was Jean-Marie (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?3690-Jean-Marie), forum moderator, here visiting Ecuador for the first time) had brought some gifts for the Wawa Grande, as per the Jean Ocean stories. Here they are:

http://projectavalon.net/Wawa_Grande_gifts.JPG

We never got to go up there (just too high for Jean's quick visit from the US, and she lives near sea level), but Jean left them here. If I was a Wawa Grande, I have to say I'd find them irresistibly attractive. (At the top center is a piece of coral, at the bottom center three quartz crystals.)

So my revised plan now is to go up there sometime quite soon on my own and with Mara the :dog:, super-fast and light, and just stay in the area one night. I'll find a prominent but isolated place to leave the little gifts, like a big flat rock somewhere in the middle of nowhere. (No-one ever goes up there... it's ridiculously remote, no trails, no people, no nothing.)

Then, in a couple of months time, I can go back up there again... and see if they're gone.

[Jean-Marie]

The two necklaces are Eastern Band, American Cherokee Indian. One of necklaces is the Indian corn, trail of tears. The other necklace is American Indian seed beads from Cherokee, North Carolina. The coral I acquired on Lido Beach, Sarasota, Florida and the the crystal wands are actually Sellinite. :heart:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

It could get very interesting if a Trail Camera could watch the items left for Bigfoot, then retrieved later (if the camera were still there).
I have used one here on the farm to take videos and pictures of animals roaming during both night and day when the camera detected movement.
No Bigfoot though.

[Tyy1907]

Beautiful peace offering!

[Bill Ryan]

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Okay, here's a revised plan. Do read here... an opportunity to be a virtual part of this little trip. :)


Another vicarious adventure, and another Avalon Cairn (the Wawa Grande cairn, this time)
(http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93672-Another-vicarious-adventure-and-another-Avalon-Cairn--the-Wawa-Grande-cairn-this-time-)

[Iloveyou]

Bill, please move that wherever you deem it best, I didn‘t want to start a new thread. I put it here although it is not about Bigfoot/Cryptozoology in the first place but this is happening in your backyard.

UFOs: Greg Caton Tells Us of Increasing Activity & Extraterrestrials Live Underground, Pt 1 of 3

Over the Andes mountains of Ecuador, UFO’s are seen all of the time; day and night. However, since 2019 their activity and behaviors have increased and their luminescence has increased. They zip around much more, and some now look as bright as the sun during the day, before they ‘phase out’ from sight. We wonder why the change, as they may ‘know’ something that we humans on the ground, do not.
Starbeings (ETs) live in the mountains of the La Maná areas of Ecuador. La Maná is a town in the Cotopaxi Province of Ecuador. Humans live near them. The ET interactions sound and look almost like Bigfoot type beings, however, there is clear communication delivered by the ET’s. The ET’s have warned-off humans indicating they are not welcome near their mountain areas. Why not? Mr. Caton tells us what his native friends have seen, while he visited them at their house in La Maná.

Fascinating talk by Greg Caton, Ecuador

Mr. Caton worked extensively in "designer foods," as well as alternative medicine and nutrition products since 1981. He graduated from L.A. Valley College ('75); is a U.S. Navy veteran ('75-'78), and the author of seven books, Lumen: Food for a New Age
In 1995 Caton created Alpha Omega Labs (herbhealers.com, or, altcancer.com), which became a provider of over 300 alternative health products with 14 distributors around the world, before its closure by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA) in September, 2003. Alpha Omega Labs is best known for Cansema® -- an effective cure for skin cancer, based on suppressed formulary information dating back to the 1850's.



Part 3 March 8, 2020 / 29:50 eQ0jZlZVqpw

Part 1 February 6, 2020 / 18:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ8Ft8Lyux0

Part 2 February 7, 2020 / 21:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFa8TEIM7f8