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boutreality

17th August 2016, 07:28

UPDATE: Direct link Nazi/NWO-to-New Age on pg4 -In case it needs to be put in more approachable terms, post is here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92604-NAZIS-NWO-the-NEW-AGE&p=1092946&viewfull=1#post1092946

UPDATE: Ramifications of each person being "calculated" by an attack/control system as mc(squared)i on pg4-In case it helps clarify more subtle, psychological fronts of this war, post is here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92604-NAZIS-NWO-the-NEW-AGE&p=1128690&viewfull=1#post1128690

Portions of this will build on the works of Joseph Farrell, Peter Levenda and Jim Marrs. All three researchers approach the Nazi topic from varied angles and they all base their findings on solid research, when a portion of this writing can be conceptually or directly founded on the works of these three I will follow it with the parenthetical citing, (FLM).

I will go “off-script” often, connecting dots in a way that can only be considered circumstantial or hypothetical. However these "findings" are based on direct experience and is what I have found while participating in a discipline that has developed to afford me these insights.

Eugenics, as a Nazi ideal, was popular among elite circles in the years leading up to WW2. People in these circles and their representatives funded the Nazi war machine while not being considered Nazis themselves. Many of these same people laid out how national boundaries and treaties re-allocated world power post WW2. (FLM) The Nazi Party never surrendered; Germany did. (FLM)

“Ex” Nazi scientists were brought to US and Russia and started space and rocket programs in each nation. In Russia’s case, this was as it became Soviet Union. The Cold War ensued. (FLM) –For all practical purposes this became a Nazi-science R&D experiment, advancing what was known as Nazi science in black projects while ostensibly fueling a “one side against the other” paradigm that held the world in thrall.

Toward the end of WW2 Nazis were active in northern African and a few Middle Eastern nations, where the predominant religion was Islam, with the express purpose of starting -financially, psychologically and directly- a militant ideal that used the idea of Islamic Jihad as a cause for violent insurgent groups. (FLM) Money interests, in charge (partially?) of “redrawing the map” after WW2 ended, started Israel as a Jewish state, the combination to these two factors assured a region of the world the perpetual conflict and violence that came be known as terrorism.

As the Cold War ended Bush Sr. announced the need of a New World Order and the prevalence of terrorist acts committed under the banner of a militarized Islam gradually progressed to where it is today, with the NWO still offered as the one and only solution to terrorism. Bush Sr.’s dad, Prescott Bush had his assets seized under the "Trading with the Enemies" Act and was suspected of funding the Nazis through several shell corporations. Bush Sr. was involved with an unspecified CIA operation that was ongoing, and placed him in Dallas at the time of JFK’s assassination. (FLM)

Nazism is run by a specific religion that apparently reveres Teutonic Gods and Norse mythology; its stance, worldview and justification for how and why Nazis do what they do is based in this belief system. (FLM) Nazism has long been associated with a secretive advanced science. (FLM) “Nazi” science, applied to meet Nazi goals, knows the “unified” field is forcefully split into two dimensions. They contribute to continuing this affect. This all boils down to two key points:

1. c(squared) –as in mc(squared) represents sentient consciousness- (matter times the square of consciousness representing a consciously aware sentient being)
2. i –the imaginary factor; -1 represented as a workable factor (Square root of -1)- actually represents intent, though it some circles it is taught as “the evil quotient”

The implication is that in order for a few people at the top of a hierarchy of individuals to remain in control of a planet where each individual is represented -in terms of the physics of the unified field- as mc(squared)i, where a rule that is against the best interest of the mass of the world’s population is consistently pursued, a system of control that works through consciously aware sentient beings, utilizing their collective intent and steering it through means of overt and covert controls is necessary.

The New Age structure of beliefs is designed to have adherents, acolytes and “adepts” willfully lend their intent and will to Nazi goals without letting them know that’s what they are actively bringing about. Nazis sent research parties to Tibet and throughout the Himalayas seeking to contact Buddhist adepts. (FLM)

The Chinese Yellow emperor is credited with “giving” the world chakras (part of ‘Buddhist/Yogic’ branch of the New Age) in the 8th century BC. Chakra philosophy states directly that each chakra governs what energy is given to specific glands and organs.

In the endocrine system each gland secretes arrays of hormones responsible for bodily sensations that are attendant to emotional states –i.e the thymus orchestrates an immunological response on behalf of a loved one (as if the loved person is a part of your own body) –it’s the cause of the “heart-broken” feeling in our chests after a breakup. –Different glands are responsible for different sets of sensations that are associated with emotional states.

This amounts to electromagnetic fields of control (chakras) bombarding key physiological structures in the body to cause or control specific emotional, mental and physiological states. Many of these states are purported to be positive, sometimes entities 'living in' chakras are reported to cause disruptions and negative states. Either way the conditions are caused by an outside force- spoken of plainly as chakras. A regular positive sensation in the chest or head (manipulated through their pituitary; pineal; or thymus) can structure a docile, blissfully ignorant person, convinced they are to some degree enlightened and all the while they are effectively contained, forcibly detached from their own physiological state and divorced from their own natural intent.

The Astral plane is a hologram; out of body travel the result of your mind being encouraged to conceptualize itself as a hologram in a holographic field. This is done by a section of black ships shaped like isosceles triangles that entangle fields they generate with the white matter region of the brain. The intent of anyone in these realms, specifically those that engage “out-of-body” practices as a part of their own growth, and in order the somehow make the world a better place is why the Astral Hologram is projected.

A “practitioner’s” intent is “recorded” and used as cover for direct attacks committed by upper-echelon levels of the Nazi religion. -The majority of these are simply worshipers of evil. They themselves do not know that when they utilize what they consider dark sorcery they are in fact interfacing with an out-of-phase/inter-dimensional weapons array that works through sentient consciousness against sentient consciousness.

From a technological standpoint, for this control system to properly function a large aggregate of people [mc(squared)i’s] must know they are engaging the effects of technologies for purely good purposes; a smaller aggregate of must know they are doing so for negative reasons; and an even smaller group must know they are utilizing a weapons system that is founded in an advanced application of science and technology in order to control/attack others. This system of influence is used to "prime" intent in the collective of Earth's population.

Werner Von Braun said, “First it will be Communists, then it will be terrorists, then it will be aliens, and the whole time it will actually be them.” –“Them” refers to Nazis/the elite cabal. (FLM)

Fitting the paradigm of the above intimated control system, the scientific precepts I mentioned and the previously stated “unknown” advances in Nazi science, I submit that aliens are avatars. “Grown” bodies void of an individual consciousness, manufactured to serve as host to the consciously aware sentience of Nazis and certain secret society members/members of the world elite and aristocracy.

The sentient awareness of certain people in these ruling classes/groups is partially projected into an alien body, the alien body is built to interact with a person's being inter-dimensionally, wherein the "contactee" has procedures performed on them; is given instruction and warnings; and/or develops a relationship with beings that are nothing more than hosts for the sentient awareness of Earth's rulers and their henchmen.

Please see my other threads where I deal exclusively with the actual science and machinations of this control for further information.

Overview of the Scientific Principles:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90925-The-Unified-Field

Overview of their reliance on Pedophiles:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90005-Why-pedophiles-are-so-important-to-the-elite

Overview of the role Skull and Bones plays in this system:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90812-Why-Skull-and-Bones-exists-how-they-work&p=1069380#post1069380

Role of tech concealed on/in Neptune and Jupiter with an overview of Scientology's Role:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88126-Scientology-Retort-Jupiter-and-Neptune-s-Roles

Tech Source of Chakras, Kundalini, and a couple other control constructs:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95534-Weaponized-Interdimensional-Space-Time-Chakras-Kundalini-Etc.

Brief overview of a class of weapons in the overall array:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?95146-Built---Electromagnetic---Fields-Torsion-Based-Direction

-Scientology is set apart for these purposes because it is a more cordoned-off substrate of basic New Age ideals repackaged as its own religion.

Since my goal is participating in meaningful and constructive discourse, I would prefer any response be informed, demonstrating that this work was actually read. If asked, yet again, to explain why I know this I will respond with references to my other threads, where I've already responded ad absurdum to “how I know this to be true.” (Most of these can be found in the Skull and Bones thread.)

I have a blog of poetry that is not conspiracy themed if anyone wants to read brief creative works by me (some pictures too!)

http://www.joshbloecker.tumblr.com (http://www.joshbloecker.tumblr.com/)

“I’m from the nation with that war on drugs, 40 billion a yr- can’t ball like us. They bring in the coca and we bring in the guns. It’s “kill a few soldiers, push the coke price up.” –“Kurt Cobain” by Astronautalis

Enola

17th August 2016, 14:37

I read somewhere the ones on top are Aryans, and not Jews like we're led to believe.

But I've noticed they wheel out an aryan brotherhood type with a Nazi image as a big cultural icon from time to time. Eminem being the most recent I can recall.

boutreality

17th August 2016, 17:34

I see the ones in charge as a hierarchical structure of people willing commit greater and greater evils.

Those who will do their part for extra financial considerations on the bottom.
Those who will commit live sacrifice in knowing worship of evil a rung higher- and better compensated.
Pedophiles and those willing to engage in other negative sexual "deviant" behaviors (rapes- sex by mind/emotional/addiction control) above them-still better compensated.
Those that eat flesh (mostly of children) are at the top.

These sorts exist in all religions and groups, naming one as the catch-all never works. Though Nazis work as a covert "management" and coordinating group -foot-soldiers ensuring the system's goals are met.
The individuals themselves do not have to knowingly be participating in a system of control - in fact the system (technological/out of phase/inter-dimensional) dictates that they don't.
They just engage in evil for its "rewards."

blackdog

17th August 2016, 20:34

Bush Sr.’s dad was tried for war crimes for funding the Nazis.

I dont believe Prescott Bush was ever tried for anything like that. They siezed the assets of Union Banking Corporation during the war for trading with the enemy, but I have never heard of anyone being charged with a crime or prosecuted.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush :

"Bush was a founding member and one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share out of 4,000 as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen. In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders. A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II. Journalist Duncan Campbell pointed out documents showing that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen."

KiwiElf

17th August 2016, 20:50

All Grandpa Bush received for his "treasonous meddlings," was effectively a slap over the wrist.

Bill Ryan

17th August 2016, 22:03

Enola

17th August 2016, 22:34

I see the ones in charge as a hierarchical structure of people willing commit greater and greater evils.

Those who will do their part for extra financial considerations on the bottom.
Those that are will commit live sacrifice in knowing worship of evil a rung higher- and better compensated.
Pedophiles and those willing to engage in other negative sexual "deviant" (rapes- sex by mind/emotional/addiction control) behaviors above them-still better compensated.
Those that eat flesh (mostly of children) are at the top.

Sounds pretty grim. How much do you think public figures like politicians and performing artists have to do? I read our royal family likes to have roasted piglet for Christmas.

boutreality

17th August 2016, 22:58

Bill-
It's been fairly well reported in conspiracy circles for a while- I believe the last time I heard some one reference it was Levenda who was citing the recount of a female NASA scientist that had worked with Von Braun.

I'm fairly certain William Cooper reported it as well. Incidentally, Cooper's picture of little silver metal balls that are out of phase and whirl around a person in angled circles, creating a gravity well that enables a person to "fly"gave me a preliminary hint to tie Chakra/New Age spirituality as covert means to justify interfacing with advanced technology in a codified premise of so-called "spiritual advancement".

Mind you, the implications of the many many reports of "Look it's aliens-" and often the implication that, "They are not happy" even "They will save us" are not the fault of the reporters of these claims.

Looking at how this system of control works (through people- the less they actually know the better), it's quite possible that none of the "pundits" of conspiracy and New Age ideology are knowing parties to advancing a Nazi/negative agenda.

The result is still a "Look over here- aliens not over there" then/and "Look over here- militant Islam not over there" then/and "We can trust them/ not these ones- look here, not over there." All repeated ad infinitum; producing a dialectic within the conscious awareness of people that share, as an "Identifying marker" within their consciously aware sentient makeup, a "wanting to discern the truth."

In this thread I will try in earnest to tie my conclusion back to the implications of the individual being represented, -key to knowing the unified field-, as mc(squared)i.

This idea is threshed out in my The "Unified" Field thread linked to above. Its applications are dealt with directly in my other threads- funny I just now thought to give an introduction to the concept in way others might be able to approach.

Camilo-
I think it's a rather positive thing that 95% of the world are decent people that would not think to harbor a negative intent toward anyone. Which implies the hierarchy I mentioned there making use of a system of control. -I discussed the technological side of the system more in my other threads -Not too concerned about details of "who has to do what" -those types of topics are discussed regularly by others. My threads are big picture; imparting a overarching paradigm.

What is genuinely important to me is actively participating in this war against them utilizing my discipline, if interested I describe what that is in the Skull and Bones thread.

BE WELL

Satori

17th August 2016, 23:30

Kindred

18th August 2016, 02:04

blackdog

18th August 2016, 02:16

Werner Von Braun said, “First it will be Communists, then it will be terrorists, then it will be aliens, and the whole time it will actually be them.” –“Them” refers to Nazis/the elite cabal.

I'd not heard that before. Not challenging this at all, but do you have a reference for the quote?

I believe I read it first in the Disclosure Project book, which was published in 2001. You can see Dr. Carol Rosin talking about it here ( https://youtu.be/kpHAxxRKksQ?t=1h7m30s ) in Part 2 of the Disclosure Project video. This Youtube page doesnt allow embedding. You can see her here at a Disclosure Project press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM Seems this was from May 9th, 2001, before 9/11. I think it is interesting that she talks about rogue states as well, before G.W. Bush introduced Iran, Iraq, and North Korea as the Axis of Evil in 2002.

Jayren

18th August 2016, 04:23

Okay so what are you getting at here? Sum this all up in your own words.

boutreality

18th August 2016, 06:10

It is all summed up in my own words above and in my other threads, which I've linked to- the other threads are exclusively my own words.

The title of the thread implies a link between those three things; the New Age being a "movement" created and used by (money/aristocratic interests &) Nazis and NWO to further their control.

Your response leads me to believe there is some portion of what I've written you could use clarification on. If that is the case, please single that/those points out. I'll do my best to address them.

Daozen

18th August 2016, 16:00

Okay so what are you getting at here? Sum this all up in your own words.

It's not nice to order ppl around.

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The most interesting part for me was the info on the astral hologram. I have long suspected that there are entire layers of the astral world that are completely fake, and made to trap awakening "lightworkers".

boutreality

18th August 2016, 16:58

The "The Real Three Ruling Powers" thread, started in this forum yesterday as well, offers a valuable bit of info.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92612-The-Real-Three-Ruling-Powers--city-states-

Daozen

18th August 2016, 17:37

I bet on the astral level, The Vatican, DC and London are powerful Earth chakra points. You probably have a powerful natural energy there, overlaid with an etheric Mordor.

Jayren

18th August 2016, 19:33

They went to Tibet and the Himalayas to look for Adept Buddhist Monks to manipulate and twist there teachings to create a new world order?

I think it's supported by people who leak the truth. They do it in movies leaving little subtle hints.

If you've ever seen Captain America: Winter Soldier you will see what I mean.

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Not only that but Iron Sky.

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boutreality

18th August 2016, 19:42

I'd like to add one more thing re: the importance to this system of sexual abuse (primarily of children) and pedophiles. As said inn my other thread, the frequencies of sentient consciously aware being undergoing an experience are recorded by this system to be replayed elsewhere in this system.

At a certain age children have no cultural "self identifying markers" in their developing psychological make-up; they have no consideration what sex/gender they are; what color idea- the "implications" of their skin color; no idea that the language they hear is different from other languages elsewhere in the world, etc.

When the frequencies of experience are 'recorded' this amounts to a stored "collective unconscious awareness" -depending on the age of the child. Pedophiles cause a store of inappropriate, debilitating sexual contact to build up in this system's version of mankind's collective unconscious.

boutreality

18th August 2016, 19:51

Jayren- I deeply enjoyed Iron Sky.

I'm not looking to push my conclusions on anyone, if you are interested in the full scope of what I'm getting at it's spread across the "Skull & Bones" thread and the "Scientology Retort" thread.
Otherwise, I do believe there are subtle disclosure leaks happening in a protracted fashion throughout media and film.

Giving the Buddhist Monks the Nazis contacted the benefit of the doubt, yes chances are Nazis were seeking to utilize a pronounced capacity displayed by the monks to focus their conscious intent, and bend it to meet some NAZI purpose.
If the monks in question already considered Chakras sacred then this plays right into hands of the overall system of control, NAZIS/NWO are the "delivery agent" when it comes to this system's rule.

Jayren

19th August 2016, 19:55

boutreality

19th August 2016, 22:24

Blackdog-
wikipedia isn't always the most reliable source. If you check the vid posted in Truthster's "The Real Three Ruling Powers" thread, for about 40 mins starting at about the 2hr 58min mark, the story of Prescott Bush's and the Bush family's involvement is there. (A link to that thread is in this thread.)

Jayren-
The background's really in the first half of the opening post in the Scientology thread, but to be brief:

The top of the world's rulers know that they are participating in a "training program" to be made immortal.
Only those that commit enough evil, life after life, in a enclosed reincarnation system that serves only their members, can qualify. The span between worldwide ELE's (mostly ice ages) is the "qualification" term.
Newly made immortals form the "away" team, training to bring a newly built solar system under control of their influence.

Mind you, I'm not out to convince -it's best people go forward based on their own knowledge and skill set, even if that means I'm a crackpot by their estimation.
All my findings fit the same overarching paradigm, and I didn't 'force' any conclusion to fit.

Take my word there or don't. I think the issue when sorting out the truth is that not enough people engage an earnest discipline, and honestly "sit" with what they've found.

Expecting to find the truth through research alone amounts to having/ finding the whole thing at the end of some trail of evidence- that will never happen. I encourage people to strengthen their discernment skills and not be afraid to connect dots no "real researcher" would dream to.

Those people make those connections as part of what makes them a living and I'm grateful for that- I've chosen not to give my life to that style of inquiry, though I do regularly check into people like F-L-M's work regularly, even if it's just to find a new tidbit to tie to another tidbit.

To that end, the thread just stared yesterday by Spellbound to share a talk by Jim Marrs about the history of the ruling class is excellent by the way.

"Some old man's saying "Vote for me it ain't gonna be worse, well I hate to burst your bubble baby... It's gonna be worse." "Kurt Cobain" by Astronautalis

blackdog

20th August 2016, 14:33

Enola

20th August 2016, 19:26

A good channeling!

http://sananda.website/adamu-the-pleiadian-via-zingdad-august-19th/

boutreality

20th August 2016, 20:14

Blackdog- I changed the language of that sentence to better reflect whats in the video. Even that might still be misrepresented. And Wikipedia historically isn't the most reliable source of info; in this case I'm sure it's accurate.

The point of this thread is that Nazis had/have a key hand in setting up and running the NWO and both rely on the New Age to covertly control the population.

To the researchers I name (FLM) the concept isn't new and I trust if anyone wants to vet the Nazi/NWO connection they need go no further than one or all three of those researchers.
Thank you for pointing out the discrepancy though.

Enola-
I don't spend any time at all on channeled messages; I stopped paying that sort of info any mind back when "ZETA TALK" was a new thing.
Maybe I'll check this one out, but it's not likely.

Enola

20th August 2016, 20:26

It's more like a behind-the-scenes political messages, talking about a possible economic collapse, I found it interesting to read.

blackdog

20th August 2016, 20:45

Blackdog- I changed the language of that sentence to better reflect whats in the video. Even that might still be misrepresented. And Wikipedia historically isn't the most reliable source of info; in this case I'm sure it's accurate.

The point of this thread is that Nazis had/have a key hand in setting up and running the NWO and both rely on the New Age to covertly control the population.

To the researchers I name (FLM) the concept isn't new and I trust if anyone wants to vet the Nazi/NWO connection they need go no further than one or all three of those researchers.
Thank you for pointing out the discrepancy though.

I have read most of the works of FLM. I'm not so sure the Nazis have a key role in setting up the NWO. They were certainly used in the process, and they were used to create Israel, which has major occult significance.

I think the new age is definitely important. If you are interested in that, you might want to look at this thread I started: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92161-9-11-Dawn-of-Aquarius

boutreality

20th August 2016, 21:20

blackdog

20th August 2016, 23:47

You've read Rise of the Fourth Reich by Marrs; The Unholy Alliance books by Levenda; and The Nazi International by Farrell and you don't think Nazis had a key role in setting up the NWO?

Correct.

The NWO owns the Islam/Israel dialectic justification for terrorism/warfare accomplished and triggered by false flag ops.

Yes, I agree.

Really, if it's the same ideals pursued for nearly the same reasons, "This is Nazis and that is NWO" as far as I'm concerned, is paying attention to a crack in the drywall while all the windows are being bashed in.

The occult ideas would be similar. I thought your argument was that the Nazis are a strong force behind the NWO, but you are saying here that it doesnt matter? The idea of building a new world is similar, but these are different people, imo.

The Scottish Rite used to be called "The New Age"! Wow! I look forward to looking more into that thread's info.

Scottish Rite Magazine, yes. That was only information in support of the main theory, and I certainly found it surprising when I first heard it. You dont have to agree with it. I just thought you might be interested because of your interest in the new age.

What's with the attitude? I thought this was supposed to be a nicer forum.

I really dedicate alot of my freetime to my discipline; less to these sorts of these endeavors though I do make it a point to be available for periods after I've recently started a thread here.

Well, now I've spent time reading and looking into your information.

How were the Nazis involved in 9/11? Maybe you are saying that people like the Bush's are essentially Nazis? The Nazis still lost the war, even if some of them escaped. If the powers that be really wanted Nazism, they probably would have let them win. They definitely used Nazism and WWII for their own purposes. The occult ideas of a new world and a new age are involved, but I wouldnt call it Nazism. imo

Bill Ryan

21st August 2016, 01:08

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Hi, Folks -- just stepping in here to acknowledge the valuable thread topic, and the well-informed and interesting exchange of information and views.

(Thanks also for the answers to my question about von Braun, btw. I was aware of Carol Rosin, of course, but not that she'd stated that von Braun had put things in exactly that way. :thumbsup: )

These very important issues can evoke some passionate views. I'd suggest we might all have something to gain here from a healthy (and friendly!) exchange of good information and perspectives. Let's listen well, at the same time as clearly stating what we think we understand.

It's far from a simple topic... for a start, just what a 'Nazi' is or was isn't even all that easy to define. My own [provisional!] view is that Nazi influence, like a totalitarian movement that might not at ALL be extinct, was and is predominant in certain high-level groups right up the present day.

I think it was Farrell (can anyone confirm?) who said -- heavily paraphrased -- that if Hitler had known everything that were to happen in the world after 1945, up to and including this year, Germany's political and financial dominance in Europe included... he'd have really been quite well satisfied. :)

boutreality

21st August 2016, 02:26

I've heard Farrell in interviews promoting his book "Nazi International" say something to that affect.

blackdog-
I'm not sure where you're picking up attitude from- certainly can't be from any of the quotes you parsed. I asked a question; you answered and I thank you.

To the extent that we're dealing with an elitist ideology where this group gets superb treatment for reasons and the rest aren't allowed, then yes the minutia of calling out a differentiation between the NWO and Nazis does not interest me. Some people serve the damaging paradigm; some don't.

Bush Jr. was president when 9/11 occurred, I'm not alone in thinking his administration had prior knowledge of the event. His administration orchestrated a response in line with a Nazi ideal- war in a region of the world destabilized as WW2 ended.

Here's a fifteen minute clip of Marrs addressing the Bush connection to Nazis. Bush Sr. was the first president to popularize the term New World Order.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhMlYxPefyQ

Germany surrendered, Nazis didn't, scattering under Project Paperclip into Russia and the US. Not all of them were dyed in the wool Nazi party members, still about 60,000 came here if we are to believe Farrell's numbers, and world history played out as it did.
I admit it's an elaborate contention, here it is- the Nazis did this:

1) to rule from secret posts as they orchestrated the formation of key factions and played them against each other (the cold war & the War of Terror- the latter with the help of money interests in charge of redrawing the middle eastern map post WW2) while they

2) Advanced their weaponry, which makes use of their applications of the Unified Filed; weapons that work through sentient consciousness to make people unwitting conduits for this system of control so that its effects can be vectored into other people.

-New Age energies are the transmission medium. The protocols being sold as techniques "necessary for growth" are actually protocols that hand key portions of a person's sentience over to the Nazi weapons array.

They did this/are doing this on behalf of money interests making up the NWO.

An implied link to older interests; an agenda much older -ancient even, as far as I'm concerned chakras and things like what Farrell says about an ancient space war plays into this.
But I'm not holding my breath waiting for a researcher to lay that part out for us.

I feel that through my practice I've found that link. My other threads share some specific background info.

You don't have to agree with this; you might decide it doesn't warrant consideration.

I trust we are both fair minded people that won't lose sleep over this interchange.
I appreciate your thought provoking contributions.

[B]Enola-
I do feel things are headed for improvement.
I can see how my default response to channeled information came across as inconsiderate and I apologize.

BE WELL

blackdog

21st August 2016, 15:57

To the extent that we're dealing with an elitist ideology where this group get superb treatment for [blank] reasons and the rest aren't allowed, then yes the minutia of calling out a differentiation between the NWO and Nazis does not interest me. Some people serve the damaging paradigm; some don't.

Perhaps that is our point of disagreement then. I wouldnt call the elites Nazis. If it's just a naming of the perpetrators that's the issue, then it's not a big deal I suppose.

Bush Jr. was president when 9/11 occurred, I'm not alone in thinking his administration had prior knowledge of the event. His administration orchestrated a response in line with a Nazi ideal- war in a region of the world destabilized as WW2 ended.

I agree that the Bush's and their network did 9/11. I just dont call it Nazism. It's different. The NWO was here well before the Nazis. The Zionists were here before the Nazis. The elites funded communism, too. They are behind Israel. You can find plenty of conspiracy theorists out there saying it is all about the communists or it is all about the Jews. It is all of these things because they are controlling most of the prominent movements from behind the scenes.

Here's a fifteen minute clip of Marrs addressing the Bush connection to Nazis. Bush Sr. was the first president to popularize the term New World Order.

Well here you have produced Jim Marrs stating that Prescott Bush was prosecuted. I'd be interested to see if he provided a source in his book for that information because I have never heard even Bush opponents saying this. In this article from The Guardian, which is admittedly unfocused, the author says that UBC's assets may even have been returned after the war:

From https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar :

"Jones recommended that the assets be liquidated for the benefit of the government, but instead UBC was maintained intact and eventually returned to the American shareholders after the war. Some claim that Bush sold his share in UBC after the war for $1.5m - a huge amount of money at the time - but there is no documentary evidence to support this claim. No further action was ever taken nor was the investigation continued, despite the fact UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler's rise to power."

Germany surrendered, Nazis didn't, scattering under Project Paperclip into Russia and the US. Not all of them were dyed in the wool Nazi party members, still about 60,000 came here if we are to believe Farrell's numbers, and world history played out as it did.

I agree that Nazis were used after the war by the US in important positions and for their scientific knowledge.

What Levenda, Marrs, Farrell, and other conspiracy authors wont detail is the occult philosophy. That is why I thought you might be interested in the Freemasonic symbolism behind major events. The Masons and other occult societies are into themes similar to those allegedly supported by the Nazis. Freemasons and Jews have been, and continue to be, in important positions of power and have been major influences in the global conspiracy. Hitler didnt like Masons or Jews. Still, a lot of these people have the same underlying ideas about a new world and a new age.

boutreality

21st August 2016, 18:22

Let's not get caught up on, "there is this sect and that sect and these do this but those do that." There are valued researchers that have been doing that for years, that's the background information, and anyone can avail themselves of that; Farrell, Levenda, and Marrs are good sources for that..

There is an overarching paradigm they all adhere to, there is an ideal they live in service to.
I drew the link "Nazis to NWO", which I consider established, as a precursor to what the New Age is/why it started.
I agree that it started much earlier than WW2, Nazis came "on the scene" in the 40s and have helped advanced from that stage in a protracted plan from then on.

I can only explain the symbolism behind major events and tying these back to Masons and other groups in the context of my personal findings about the weapons system.

That's actually the point of almost all of the threads I've started here. This is the only one where I seek to link my findings to the NAZIS and the NWO.
I recently wrote in a PM,
"Perhaps 3-5 people will find the info in these threads to be useful data they can apply to their own discipline, the rest may be entertained by giving a unique idea their consideration." -That's how I feel about this.

I am working at the patience required to interact on the forum in whatever way helps others to see what I'm getting at, but I'm not emboldened to convince people because they have to see it this way; that's foolish.

The entire construct relies on the intent of their group members- that they, at whatever level, see results they can value for their own reasons, according to the level they're at.
I'm sure there are members of [blank] group/sect (of the many varied Secret Fancy pants wearers) that think the reason their hierarchy protects them lies completely in the physical constructs that are playing out symbolic alignments of symbols.

Still higher ranking members see results based upon weapons that are out-of-phase, delivering an effect through a conduit that travels from an inter-dimensional and\or off-world source.

-Different, or similar parts of that same system contributes to what ensnares the intent and sentience (particularly the perceptual capacity) of those following New Age ideals. The rest of the world has their intent to solve this, to get at what's actually at work here, diffused thanks to the same system.

I know my threads aren't going to be understood by a large group of people, however the paradigm they convey does give a complete "big picture" view.
I've invited others to impart different ideas that do the same thing, and ask them to please recognize that enough valid research is already out there to give a solid foundation to explaining what we are actually up against. Now let's explain it.

Let's not get lost in the same mire of "this contactee-this race-these groups-that guy" that this area of inquiry has been caught in for two decades.

Sueanne47

21st August 2016, 19:49

I found out (and over 3 million people) a lot about the Nazi's and Elite's by this video 'the rich man's trick'. But the NWO started when Dwight Eisenhower made a pact with the ET's

U1Qt6a-vaNM

boutreality

21st August 2016, 21:52

Sueanne47-

I enjoyed that vid. it is fairly informative.
ETs are host bodies for the sentient awareness of this planet's rulers, this is addressed in my opening post here.
I said Bush Sr. popularized the term NWO, not that he started the NWO.

Thanks

Sueanne47

21st August 2016, 22:13

I know it takes a lot of time to view the video, but it helps to understand a lot of things. The ET's are at the top of the pyramid, the sooner God sorts out this boiling pot of corruption & greed ..the better!!

Thank you for all your information Boutreality..

Sue

boutreality

22nd August 2016, 19:29

Enola

22nd August 2016, 22:30

So at the top a kind of priesthood that communicates with hyper-dimensional/extra-terrestrial entities?

boutreality

22nd August 2016, 23:40

Fairly near the top, yes.
My stance is inter-dimensional entities/ETs are avatars, host bodies manipulated by the people at the top. The biological tech at work gives these people an inter-dimensional capacity they can access without being dedicated to discipline.
They can remain coke head pedophiles -what have you- and still have these powers.

-That principle is what fuels the overall weapons array; "Have the power (as part of a progressive hierarchy) without putting in the work to earn it."

blackdog

23rd August 2016, 00:25

For anyone interested, I found a video that starts by covering links between NAZIS and the New Age, then gets into 'origins' and applications of NAZI science, specifically flying saucers and the science at work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ryS1o0u31E[/video]

It does get into the Black Sun. My take on what makes the Black Sun and what purpose the effect serves is covered in the Scientology Retort thread and the L.M.pdf which can be found there.

Again this is a belief system that where the large majority member do not know that what they show reverence for is collective effects of a highly sophisticated applications of science and technology.

This video says they are interested in the "New Age, Golden Age, Golden Dawn, New World Order" and "occult (hidden) antediluvian knowledge". They are interested in the Age of Aquarius. This is what the thread I linked to is all about. 9/11 was an occult ceremony bringing in the Age of Aquarius. It is consistent, in part, with what you are saying.

The Nazis were interested in the ancients because they believed there were past, higher level civilizations, like Atlantis. That is why they were experimenting with technology, because they thought they could find again the science of the past Golden Age. The New Age isnt about technology. It is about cyclical history, which will bring us back into another Golden Age, eventually. Consciousness is rising as we move forward in this cycle. The powers that be, those in the know, are preparing the world for the changes to come, for the higher consciousness ages that are ahead of us.

If you are interested in the new age, you should really read my thread. It also contains my interpretation of the black sun.

Blavatsky used the swastika and talked about the central sun, and she argues for the existence of cycles and cyclic evolution. She talks about the Aryan race, which is essentially all the human beings of this cycle of the precession of the equinoxes. The swastika, like the cross, divides space into the four seasons of cyclical history. The extra lines represent the motion of cyclic evolution.

boutreality

23rd August 2016, 00:41

The notion that time is cyclical is an enforced conclusion.
-Even an enforced condition on a mass scale; time itself would not be cyclical if it weren't for those enforcing structures.
-Again we may be saying the same thing here in precept.
I get into what "enforces" time -the actual technological support structures in the "House of Saturn" section of the Skull & Bones thread.

I did say the New Age philosophies purposely and covertly hooks a person into energies originated from an out-of-phase/inter-dimensional/ space-based weapons array.
That's where I'm saying the technology comes in. I also said I draw these conclusion from my own practice; my own insight gathered through years of pursuing a discipline.
When I say "New Age," in these terms, I mean Scientology; Seven Rays/Ascended Masters and Chakra type beliefs.

I answered your inquiry re: the use of symbols and the import they have- They are important to a level of some Secret Society members whose understanding, according to the level they're at, is that the symbols symbolically aligning is why their plots work.

-If you consider that this understanding entails the intent of those members purposed for use by their society and the weapons array I'm talking about, then that's the whole of my stance on the topic.

blackdog

23rd August 2016, 01:11

The notion that time is cyclical is an enforced conclusion.
-Even an enforced condition even on a mass scale; not that time itself would be cyclical if not for those enforcing structures.
-Again we may be saying the same thing here in precept.
I get into what enforces it -the actual technological support structures in the "House of Saturn" section of the Skull & Bones thread.

I did say the New Age philosophies purposely and covertly hook a person into energies originated from a out-of-phase/inter-dimensional/ space-based weapons array.
That's where I'm saying the technology comes in. I also said I draw these conclusion from my own practice; my own insight gathered through years of pursuing a discipline.

I answered your inquiry re: the use of symbols and the import they have- They are important to a level of some Secret Society members whose understanding, according to the level they're at, is that the symbols symbolically aligning is why their plots work.
-If you consider that this understanding entails the intent of those members pourposed for use by their society and this weapons array I'm talking about, then that's the whole of my stance on that topic.

I dont know what an enforced condition is. All I am saying it that this is what the occult is about. This is what they believe. This is why there is something called the New Age.

History is cyclical in that we experience dark ages of lower consciousness and golden and silver ages of higher consciousness because of astronomical conditions produced by the precession of the equinoxes. Up and down we go, continuously. This would explain Atlantis and the pyramids.

The cycle will continue with or without us.

I only mention symbolism because it shows us what they believe. You should really read the thread. It's not that long. You dont have to agree with it.

boutreality

23rd August 2016, 02:51

What I mean about enforced condition is in my "Skull and Bones" thread, specifically the "House of Saturn" section, as I've already said. if you want to know what I mean by the term, as I said earlier, check that section of the opening post there.

It's out there - I know, and it's what I've found to be the case.

I've said I believe they place an importance on symbolism; I've stated my opinion as to why they do- I'm not sure where you're sensing disagreement there.
I defined what sector of the body of beliefs -that are characterized as belonging to the New Age- I have in mind, Freemason's definition of it is not what I'm addressing.

AutumnW

23rd August 2016, 04:54

The New Age is less structured than organized religion. There's more wiggle room there, morally speaking. Also, all of the emphasis on, 'energy,' easily segues into a preoccupation with 'power.' Often these same preoccupations are held by those who claim to be without ego. That kind of collective cognitive dissonance provides a perfect hiding place and playground for fascism. It is ideological madness

boutreality

23rd August 2016, 05:00

Thank you very much AutumnW!

I have felt that way for about as long as I can remember re: the New Age.
My take on what's behind those energies and what lends people to the acts of duplicitous character that are all too common in self-styled gurus of New Age "traditions " is not likely to be widely accepted, though it may point to yet another reason why these sorts of people and energies are to be avoided.

AutumnW

23rd August 2016, 05:28

Yeah... The whole "you create your own reality," gets a bit tired, too. We create our attitude and I think we can affect the information realm, in the collective unconscious. But ultimately, being trapped in a meat suit, on planet Earth, is a humbling experience. Those who aren't knocked back by it, just confuse me. And gurus...ugghhh!

Enola

23rd August 2016, 12:36

As a guess for who's at the very top.

Some kind of dark deity. Maybe 6th dimensional (or higher). Male, female, or both.

But of course God on top of that.

boutreality

23rd August 2016, 14:57

Enola-
I'm certainly not going to argue any belief system.

My contention is that through their application of technology they have set up a hierarchy wherein the higher one goes through their evil esoteric levels, the more god-like they are thought to be.

They follow these rules and adhere to this system so that a handful of them can be made immortal at each Extinction Level Event- immortal with access to the most of what their technologically assisted power can provide.

Blackdog (anyone intersted)-
The recent Joseph Farrell interview on The Moore Show, which is already featured in a thread here, is a great source of applicable information regarding the physics I am talking about. I link to it at youtube starting at the 47m30s mark. Shortly thereafter he states:

"Nuclear Weapons could be a gateway or transducer of Higher Dimensional Geometric Configurations of energy in the fabric of Space-Time."

(This matches my own findings, though I stipulate that the fabric of Space-Time is consciousness and I'm not alone in that. A decent introduction to the idea is in a doc called "Quantum Activist" about theoretical physicist Amit Goswami. I saw it streaming on Nflix.)

Specifically, Skull and Bones relies on Nuclear radiation and weaponry to "thin" an inter-dimensional wall between this reality and a specific subsection of the weapons array.

What the Cube/Spheres/Pyramids do, whether in phase off world or based in another dimension, is configure Space-Time in specific ways that strengthen control/attack capacity on Sentient Consciousness. At approximately 1h32m (I'm watching it now) he cites University of California's Dr. Tiller and his experiments on the influence of conscious intention. Here's that link, I recommend the whole interview:

https://youtu.be/w4P8Qk9NyA4?t=47m30s

blackdog

24th August 2016, 01:30

And here's a link to a movie on the dark side of Nazi Occult beliefs -the "light side" is an operation used for purposes I have covered. The doc is called "Blood Sacrifice." It is a UFOTV doc, and they have history of pulling videos down. It can be watched here:

https://youtu.be/tOrGEuMpUCM

Again this is a belief system that where the large majority of members do not know that what they show reverence for is collective effects of a highly sophisticated applications of science and technology.

I'm sorry but this video is full of crackpot material. Is this something you stand by?

boutreality

24th August 2016, 02:55

Not at all. It's an introduction to the idea of a belief system followed by Nazis.
All I really got out of it personally was in the opening; allegations that the Nazis used ashes from the holocaust to consecrate the land to some sort of deity.
The rest is rehashed allegations focusing on the stranger ideas about what Nazis were thought to believe and why.
The part about the ex-mental hospital patient becoming a ranking member of the Nazi party was interesting but I don't care if it's true.

I stand by my words alone. -Here's the thing: tell me that's all crackpot material too and I won't care; I still stand by them.
I appreciate the contributions of F-L-M as viable research, in this thread I seek to relate my findings in the context of the info they've laid out.

This back and forth with you seems trying because, no matter how clear I feel I've been, your responses seem repetitively focused on "Masons" = "New Age".
As such, I've endeavored to make clear what I'm conveying using materials outside of FLM's findings.
As I said, I focus on the popular body of beliefs referred to as New Age in the more "common" subculture understanding.
AutumnW knew what I meant right off.

So, for the last time, by "New Age" I do not mean Freemasons; Scottish Rite or other.
Though their context for kundalini and Chakras that you bring up in your 9/11 thread is intriguing, I seek to deal with those as concepts belonging to the New Age "at large" and not solely tied back to any form of Freemasonry.

Thanks for your inquiry

justntime2learn

24th August 2016, 04:01

I apologize in advance if this has been posted: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZCb.htm

I have learned so much from this thread and thank you all :thumbsup:

A sample of the link:

"Ventura, California
June 20, 2004

One of the most famous names from the beginning of the American rocket and missile programs after World War II is Wernher von Braun.

With the defeat of Germany and Japan in 1945 after the United States dropped the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Dr. von Braun and 126 other German rocket scientists were brought to the United States under a government project called "Paperclip."

They were based at Fort Bliss, Texas and their work was focused at the White Sands Missile Range north of Ft. Bliss in southern New Mexico. Dr. von Braun became famous for his expertise and his visionary goal to expand man's knowledge through the exploration of space.

His pioneering work led to the development of,
the Explorer satellites
the Jupiter and Jupiter-C rockets
Pershing
the Redstone rocket
Saturn rockets
Skylab, the world's first space station
Additionally, his determination to "go where no man has gone before" led America's first landing on the moon in 1969 during the John F. Kennedy administration.

In 1970, NASA asked Dr. von Braun to move to Washington, D.C., to head up the strategic planning effort for the government space agency. But in less than two years he decided to retire from NASA and and went to work for Fairchild Industries of Germantown, Maryland, where he met a 6th grade school teacher named Carol Rosin.

She was famous for producing a "Students Studying on Spaceship Earth" project for her school classes. Dr. von Braun asked Carol to join him at Fairchild Industries to help him create a ban of weapons in space.

As President Eisenhower had warned about the threat of the "military-industrial complex" to America's future, Dr. Werner warned that space should be kept free from intrusion by that same military-industrial power.

Carol left her teaching and went to work for Dr. von Braun in 1974. He was her mentor until he died in Alexandria, Virginia on June 16, 1977.

Afterward, Carol Rosin has persisted for nearly thirty years in trying to carry out Dr. von Braun's request to get weapons banned from space. She is now President of the Institute for Cooperation in Space and of the Space Preservation Trust Foundation.

Last year on December 8, 2003, her U. S. Space Preservation Act was placed by Representative Dennis Kucinich as House Bill 3657 in the 108th Congress.

Its statement of purpose:
"To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and (by prohibiting) the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes."
Listen excerpts of some Dr. Carol Rosin declarations:

Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) introduced Carol Rosin's U. S. Space Preservation Act as House Bill 3657 on December 8, 2003.

Further, she has written a Space Preservation Treaty to be introduced to nations of the world for signing through the United Nations to permanently ban basing of weapons in space.

In the past 30 years as Carol has worked hard to carry out Dr. von Braun's challenge to her, she has often thought of his warnings about the misuse of space and an "Enemy's List" that he said the American government was using to keep the media and public in support of Pentagon budgets.

boutreality

24th August 2016, 04:44

Early in this thread we covered a quote from Dr. Rosin; words she reported were spoken to her by Von Braun.
Thanks for the overview regarding Dr. Von Braun's relationship to Dr. Rosin, I can't say I've heard that before.

I feel it's safe to say that Dr. Von Braun's warning about space-based weapons was a moot point, even back then.
My findings have led me to the conclusion that not only is there an advance weapons array spread throughout the solar system, but this same weapon system draws upon inter-dimensional support platforms.

I've conceded that my way of connecting those dots relies solely on my own discipline and therefore am not too concerned with my take being generally accepted.
In this thread I endeavor to tether my findings to a foundation laid out by the collective works of Farrell; Levenda and Marrs, and am only asking that these connections in this context be given consideration.

blackdog

24th August 2016, 13:21

All I really got out of it personally was in the opening; allegations that the Nazis used ashes from the holocaust to consecrate the land to some sort of deity.

I assume you are aware that very educated people, including scientists and academics, question the reality of the holocaust and that much of WWII history is up for reinterpretation. Building on questionable facts and then saying it is all about worshiping some occult deity is wild speculation.

Part of my problem with JP Farrell is that he often uses conspiracy books for his sources and then proceeds to build fantastic theories on top of a weak foundation.

This back and forth with you seems trying because, no matter how clear I feel I've been, your responses seem repetitively focused on "Masons" = "New Age".
As such, I've endeavored to make clear what I'm conveying using materials outside of FLM's findings.
As I said, I focus on the popular body of beliefs referred to as New Age in the more "common" subculture understanding.
AutumnW knew what I meant right off.

I dont know what you mean by New Age then. Maybe you could define it for me. You are talking about the New Age movement?

So, for the last time, by "New Age" I do not mean Freemasons; Scottish Rite or other.
Though their context for kundalini and Chakras that you bring up in your 9/11 thread is intriguing, I seek to deal with those as concepts belonging to the New Age "at large" and not solely tied back to any form of Freemasonry.

It is not just about the Masons. It is about the occult in general. I also mentioned Blavatsky, who must have been a substantial influence on the Nazis. Aleister Crowley declared the Aeon of Horus. I am talking about the reason why there is something called a New Age.

If you are only interested in this common version, which I guess refers to more spiritual aspects(?), then maybe we are talking about two different things and can leave it at that.

boutreality

24th August 2016, 15:04

1 You demonstrated that you, in fact, were not aware of Jim Marrs' findings in the book "Rise of the Fourth Reich" when I posted a talk he gave while Rise of the Fourth Reich was his latest book.

2 After I explained that Wikipedia might not be the standby source on the specific information you cited you defended your info and source. I demonstrated with the info in the Jim Marrs vid the accuracy about the Bush/Nazi/NWO connection, which was our point of contention. I have since found sections of Levenda interviews where he cites the same trial with the same punishment. (He wrote the Unholy Alliance series -and others- which you claimed you read.) Posting these would defeat the purpose; you can avail yourself of them- most of them are still up on Youtube, if interested.

You are coming across as purposely contrarian with an interest in argument for argument's sake. That is not what I am interested in.

Again, I stand by my contention that findings of those three researchers (FLM) are a viable sources of applicable information on this topic.
You, though you claim to have read "most of their works" (paraphrased) clearly do not consider them trustworthy sources.
I only own and have read "Reich of the Black Sun" (Farrell) -it presents photocopied documents from the WW2 era backing his interpretation of what that evidence suggests.

Frankly, I do not trust your stance that "he often uses conspiracy books for his source" what he does use, again, according to someone that has read at least one book by him and is familiar with his findings, is portions of others work that he is able to independently corroborate.
What he says about Kon(sp) -Germen Electrical Engineer- early in the interview I mentioned, is compelling.
Then later, when he discusses a Geometrical configuration of space time it is interesting- I thought you might draw a link between this and the shapes and symbols in freemasonry that so fascinate you.

However I posted that vid because I feel it ties into my findings - the point of this thread; to convey how I think dots connect in a fashion that somewhat builds upon the findings of FLM.

There are no words to be had in response to your "question the reality of the holocaust" line of reasoning.

There is evidence of a NAZI belief structure and very little is known about what that religion entailed. (FLM)
Hitler abolished all Secret Societies in Nazi Germany except three, all three believed in the Black Sun in some fashion. (FLM)
The contention in the Blood Sacrifice vid I cite (ashes spread in the field of Germany for a 'religious purpose) is an interesting take on a little known aspect of Nazism; one I hadn't heard elsewhere, -and that's all it is.

I did say that in this thread I would be connecting dots in non-traditional way, based upon my findings, which come out of years practicing my discipline;it is bound to be called "wild speculation" or worse.

Yes, in our uses of the term "New Age" we are addressing two different things. I've already discussed what I mean by it and what I haven't said directly in this thread can be inferred in my other writings.

Be Well

blackdog

24th August 2016, 17:10

1 You demonstrated that you, in fact, were not aware of Jim Marrs' findings in the book "Rise of the Fourth Reich" when I posted a talk he gave while Rise of the Fourth Reich was his latest book.

I dont agree with this. It was more that I was implying Marrs might be putting out bad information.

2 After I explained that Wikipedia might not be the standby source on the specific information you cited you defended your info and source. I demonstrated with the info in the Jim Marrs vid the accuracy about the Bush/Nazi/NWO connection, which was our point of contention. I have since found sections of Levenda interviews where he cites the same trial with the same punishment. (He wrote the Unholy Alliance series -and others- which you claimed you read.) Posting these would defeat the purpose; you can avail yourself of them- most of them are still up on Youtube, if interested.

I agree Wikipedia is flawed, but I also thought you agreed with the information I posted after looking at it. Wikipedia wasnt the only source, either. I believe I posted a quote from a Guardian article.

If you have sources for this information, please post them. I am definitely interested if there is good information out there saying Prescott Bush went to trial.

boutreality

24th August 2016, 19:01

Posted by Blackdog: If you have sources for this information, please post them. I am definitely interested if there is good information out there saying Prescott Bush went to trial.If you are interested in that direction of inquiry, I invite you to look those sources up.
As I've already said, (I will not resort to quoting myself) the validity of the conclusion that there exists a substantial Nazi/NWO connection, based upon the collective research done and reported by FLM, is apparent.
For me, that is not up for debate.

You are pursuing an stance of opposition where, for me, there is no argument to be had.
I credited your wikipedia source when it did not mirror the info I referred to in the vid found at "The Real Three Ruling Powers" thread.

I found the Marrs vid and posted it. You asked what Marrs' sources were.
I suggest you look to see if he lists his sources in "The Rise of the Fourth Rich".
Again, that pursuit may be of interest to you.

I trust the FLM information in regards to the Nazi/NWO connection.
Nothing can make you do the same.

Sueanne47,
I look at these sorts of interactions as opportunities to refine my own character, and less about, "How annoyed can I become?"
It is a struggle at times.

boutreality

25th August 2016, 00:45

Since I've posted a link to a vid of Joseph P Farrell which I found valuable and a vid of Jim Marrs answering a point linking Nazis to the NWO, and I build my contentions based on work from Peter Levenda's as well, I include the following snip of a Levenda lecture covering Nazis' involvement with occult/interest in paranormal phenomenon post WW2. -It's about 15m long

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3VbSyXJVCM

The vid specifically addresses the infamous "the Nine" channeling session.
Channeling is a fixture in the New Age movement and is in line with a scenario where a"channel" is "taken over" by the effects delivered by the type of technology I cover in my findings.
As stated I trust Levenda's word on this, if I had the disposable income, I'd probably buy his books.

Admittedly I have not read Levenda though I have listened to hours of his lectures. I'd still buy his books simply to support the work he does, which is responsibly researched and represented. Same goes for books by the other authors/researchers. The only other book by these three I have read, and this was along time ago, was "Rule by Secrecy" by Jjm Marrs

I encourage anyone interested and who can afford it to buy a work by these authors, to my mind, the collective contribtuioon these three have made is unparalleled.

blackdog

25th August 2016, 01:05

From The Rise of the Fourth Reich by Jim Marrs:

"Why was Prescott Bush not more openly and aggressively prosecuted for his Nazi dealings? This may be due to the fact that the patriarch Bush was “instrumental in the creation of the USO in late 1941,” according to a news release from the United Service Organization in 2002. After all, it would have looked very bad during wartime to publicly prosecute as a Nazi asset the man who helped create the USO, so beloved by U.S. servicemen in all subsequent wars."
...
"It was rumored that the trial transcripts of the 1942 prosecution of Prescott Bush were destroyed in the September 11, 2001, collapse of World Trade Center 7, which housed offices of the Securities and Exchange Commission. The SEC admitted that more than seven thousand prosecution files were lost with the building, including files on Enron and World.com." - p. 118.

That's a pretty bold rumor to print without proof of any kind. I'm surprised they published it.

The following three websites are in the notes as sources for this information:

From http://www.nhgazette.com/the-bushnazi-stories/bushnazi-link-confirmed/ :

"On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.

"In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses – Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp (Vesting Order No. 259).
...
"After the seizures of the various businesses they oversaw with Cornelis Lievense and his German partners, the U.S. government quietly settled with Bush, Harriman and others after the war. Bush and Harriman each received $1.5 million in cash as compensation for their seized business assets."

From http://www.rense.com/general26/dutch.htm :

"It was a matter of public record that the Bush holdings were seized by the US government after the Nazis overran Holland. In 1951, the Bush's reclaimed Union Bank from the US Alien Property Custodian, along with their "neutral" Dutch assets."
...
"No wonder Allen Dulles had sent Paul Manning on a wild goose chase to South America. He was very close to uncovering the fact that the Bush's bank in New York City was secretly owned by the Nazis, before during and after WWII. Once Thyssen ownership of the Union Banking Corporation is proven, it makes out a prima facie case of treason against the Dulles and Bush families for giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war."
...
"The enormous sums of money deposited into the Union Bank prior to 1942 is the best evidence that Prescott Bush knowingly served as a money launderer for the Nazis. Remember that Union Banks' books and accounts were frozen by the U.S. Alien Property Custodian in 1942 and not released back to the Bush family until 1951. At that time, Union Bank shares representing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of industrial stocks and bonds were unblocked for distribution.... A fortune this size could only have come from the Thyssen profits made from rearming the Third Reich, and then hidden, first from the Nazi tax auditors, and then from the Allies."
"The Bushes knew perfectly well that Brown Brothers was the American money channel into Nazi Germany, and that Union Bank was the secret pipeline to bring the Nazi money back to America from Holland. The Bushes had to have known how the secret money circuit worked because they were on the board of directors in both directions: Brown Brothers out, Union Bank in.

"Moreover, the size of their compensation is commensurate with their risk as Nazi money launderers. In 1951, Prescott Bush and his father in law each received one share of Union Bank stock, worth $750,000 each."

From http://georgewalkerbush.net/bushnazidealingscontinueduntil1951.htm :

"The records also show that Bush and the Harrimans conducted business after the war with related concerns doing business in or moving assets into Switzerland, Panama, Argentina and Brazil - all critical outposts for the flight of Nazi capital after Germany's surrender in 1945. Fritz Thyssen died in Argentina in 1951."
...
"In 1943, six months after the seizure of UBC and its related companies, a government investigator noted in a Treasury Department memo dated April 8, 1943 that the FBI had inquired about the status of any investigation into Bush and the Harrimans.

"I gave (a fellow investigator) a memorandum which did not say anything about the American officers of subject," the investigator wrote. "(The other investigator) wanted to know whether any specific action had been taken by us with respect to them.

"No further action beyond the initial seizures was ever taken, and the newly-confirmed records went unseen by the American people for six decades."

boutreality

25th August 2016, 01:52

Okay then, in spirit your citing(s) imply a link between Nazi financiers working in collusion with elements in the US Government to assure these matters were quietly handled.

What I see is , "Here, we caught you, let's not let the details come out. Here's some money so you know we're cool." -Which I believe is Levenda's reportage of the same instance, it would appear that interpretation draws more directly upon the info you provide.
I never said Farrell, Levenda and Marrs agree 100% all the time.

In the quotes you provide the same evidence of a Nazi/NWO connection exposed from a different angle, with additional information stating that in some cases the investigators compensated the parties in question for the seized assets.

Thank you,

It does not negate the findings of FLM; it may eschew them (in a sense of detail) depending on which reporters -FLM or the authors of articles you cite above- had more direct access to more accurate information.

Anything on the Levenda take of the Nazi link to Occult/interest in paranormal post WW2? Since, as I said, I am satisfied to move onto the New Age part of the thread.
Again, by "New Age" I mean "traditions"/practices/"modalities" I cover in the opening post here; in the Scientology Retort thread and in the L.M.pdf (included in most of my linked threads.)

blackdog

25th August 2016, 02:13

boutreality

25th August 2016, 05:28

Why the Nazi/NWO agenda would be interested in starting and continuing the New Age movement:

Tying its roots back to the Nazi era and to those who were among the wealthy as Nazism began, in light of Nazi funded expeditions to far reaches of the world (Tibet; Himalayas, etc) and based upon my stance that the New Age is a system of covert control, my contention is these excursions served as “fact finding missions” to learn about belief systems in each region they visited.

The New Age is marketed as a particular interpretation of every religion on earth, co-opting the figures worshiped in each for the purposes of “explaining” a gap in the modern understanding of these figures with information belonging solely to the New Age as the “necessary but absent” explanation.

“Treatise on the Seven Rays”- by Alice Bailey is one example of this explanation wherein it is explained that seven rays, each of different colors of light, “form the physical universe.” This book is channeled by Alice Bailey from a source she first called “The Master,” then named Djwhal Khul.
Citing “The Seven Rays Made Visual –An Illustrated Introduction to the Teachings on the Seven Rays” by Helen Burmester:

“The seven stars of the great bear are the originating source of the seven rays of our solar system:”

“The motto of Ray 1 is “I hold the key of life and death; I bind and loose again I the destroyer am.” This is analogous to the role Shiva plays in Hindi mythology. The book associates this ray with a hidden near sun planet, and lists the ray’s color as red.

“Ray 2, the Lord of Love and Wisdom, is, in our solar system, the expression of the Cosmic Christ.” Here’s a “different level” of Christ than what is available to popular Christian ideas. The book associates this Ray with Jupiter and says the ray is blue.

“Ray 3, the ray of Active intelligence, is the expression of the third person of the Trinity, The Holy Ghost.” This passage goes on to associate the “energy” of the ray with Earth and says the ray is yellow.

-I won’t bother going on with the book, it suffices to say that each ray has an associated relationship to a different belief system in a region of the planet, each is associated to a planet in the Astrological sense, and each is assigned a color.

Nazis were known to have based certain operations on astrology/tarot readings. (FLM)

Religion has long since been considered something that can and has been used to control masses of people. As a body of belief, ideals considered “New Age” bridge disparate religions, re-purposing a unifying interpretation of each in a way that aims to offer a belief system to the entire world.

Nazis and the NWO pursue a goal of total global control; a unifying religion, even if only held by a subsection of the world, makes this ideal more attainable.

Each of these Rays or fields of colored energies, once one is “attuned” to them, has a sentiment and demeanor associated with it.

Adherents to the New Age are encouraged to “embody” one Ray or the other, to “become ruled” by the ideal of each Ray in a way that the Ray will have you demonstrate its aspect. If this is a Blue Ray one is thought to of as loving; if Red one is thought to be willful; if Yellow one is thought to be engaging their intellect.

This amounts to participatory emotional and mental control that acolytes and adepts of the New Age come to accept as divine.

blackdog

25th August 2016, 15:49

Anything on the Levenda take of the Nazi link to Occult/interest in paranormal post WW2? Since, as I said, I am satisfied to move onto the New Age part of the thread.

I watched this a couple years ago, and it is what got me to read the book. I was pumped to get this book. Seemed like it had everything I was looking for, and I considered Levenda to be on the academic side of the spectrum, so he could be trusted more. Unfortunately, I was disappointed. He never concluded or proved anything. He just kept making intriguing connections. Then, I read the second volume, hoping he was getting at something. He didnt. Then I started the third volume. I heard rumors that he came to a conclusion about mind control being used by the government, but I got about 100 pages in and just couldnt take it anymore. It is all just connections.

I say this not to be contrarian but just to let you know. It's my opinion. I could be wrong. Like I said, I was very excited to read this book and had high hopes.

It has been a couple years since I read Sinister Forces, so I looked at the Amazon reviews to refresh my memory. Someone there had some similar thoughts: "Interesting, but it is essentially a shopping list of connections with no deeper understanding presented."

Also, if you dont want to buy these books, you can get them from the library. That's what I did. Some of them are even available on the internet in pdf form, including several of Marrs' and Farrell's books.

boutreality

25th August 2016, 16:43

Yeah, I remember Levenda saying something to the effect of what I said earlier in this thread, summed up here as,

"Following the evidence will only take you so far. No one is likely to find the smoking gun that definitively fits all these pieces together."

-In the end the only option is proposing how the pieces that can be proven to fit come together. I never bothered with the confines of a documented trail of evidence.
Instead I pursued an individual discipline while focusing the will to not only know but to identify the nature of reality.

I found vast constructs that can only be taken as manipulations aimed at keeping man from their potentials. However it was discovered through my own practice, I can only attempt to contextualize my information within the works of viable researchers- not to link it in any solid way.

Here's some hearsay: Roosevelt, when asked if he would approve the four sided pyramid seal addition to the back of the dollar bill said about the request, "They're trying to keep us from our potential" -Something to that affect.
I hold that if you're at the upper echelons of their secret world ruling network you have direct knowledge that that pyramid represents the four side black pyramid I drew in the L.M.pdf.
There's no way to substantiate that; I know that. It won't change my experience; what I know- that structure is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what technology they have to keep man under their control.

boutreality

26th August 2016, 02:11

Returning to Nazi links to the New Age:

From "Reich of the Black Sun - Nazi Secret Weapons & the Cold War Allied Legend" by Joseph P Farrell pg 172:

"For the "rank and file elite" of the SS, the initials stood for the German word Schutzstaffel, a term meaning loosely a special staff or military unit. But to the initiates there was another meaning of "SS" altogether.... ...For these initiates, the letters "SS" referred to die Schwarz Sonne, the Black Sun."

-Text gets into ancient meanings of the Black Sun, dating back to Sumer and Akkadia -tying into blackdog's information about pre-Nazi roots of the New Age- then, on pgs 174-175:

"(Revealed in a letter Himmler wrote to an Ahnenerbe scientist as to why he started the Ahnenerbe within the SS).. was not only to study ancient religion, science, and the occult but also that its principal establishment was as "an institute for military scientific research... Ahnenerbe scientists working on its various secret project had an ideological for the more mundane scientific view that the "Black Sun" was but the extremely strong gravitational force exhibited by a large mass rotating around the galactic center. Ancient texts might be able to afford a key to the recovery of a lost science, a science very different from the ideologically condemned "Jewish physics"... ...quite in line with the "Aryan" physics of vorticular spin polarization.... ...The Swastika itself, in this context, becomes not only a well known symbol from ancient esoteric tradition, but also a talisman of ceremonial magic on a celestial scale deliberately chosen to mirror the apparent rotation of a well known constellation around (Earth's north pole)"

-On page 176, a picture of this constellation with the caption: "The Celestial Swastika": The Rotation of Ursa Minor, or the LittleDipper, around the Pole Star ca. 4000 BC"

Ursa Minor means Little Bear.

A few posts ago I cited "The Seven Rays Made Visual" by Helen Burmeister: "Seven Stars of the Great Bear are the originating source of the Seven Rays of Our Solar System."

Ursa Major means Big Bear -the Big Dipper

Material used by Alice Bailey to write "The Teachings on the Seven Rays" comes from information channeled from a supposed Tibetan Master named "Djwhal Khul". Channeling amounts to letting one's body be "occupied" by an outside presence, which is in keeping with what one is supposed to do to "Ascend" in terms of Seven Ray-Based teachings (Asceneded Masters: Chakras: Reiki -all are New Age "traditions" that take from or are explained as traceable back to The Seven Rays).

From "Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology" by Henry Stevens Chapter 5: "The Electromagnetic Vampire" pgs 27:

"...Dr. Stoll is discussing a German Base in Tibet during the Second World War. He mentions that Tibet fought with the Germans... ...and that SS men were actually trained in Tibet. This association argues for a German underground base in Tibet... ....when describing possible provisions for security in German underground bases he describes an example of German electromagnetic security system..."

-Text continues to recount a report of a recovery expedition citing divers from the East German Democratic Republic tasked to dive into "flooded lower floors of the Reich Chancellery" with the goal of recovering documents; advanced tech, etc, pg 28:

"What the divers encountered in the blackness was terror itself . ...Some of the divers, described by Dr.Stoll surfaced with horrific symptoms. Their faces were contorted into horrible grimaces...... the distorted expression would not relax... Not only were they disfigured but somehow they had been aged during the dive. Some of the divers appeared (to have) aged up to fifteen years in a few minutes... ...that was not all... ...Functioning like an almost perfect security system, the divers could not remember what happened during their dive. Their memories had been blanked out. ..This amnesia proved to be life-long."

-This entails a projected and contained field encountered by the divers in the above instance that effect the human body- the book continues, still recounting the words of a Geophysicist, Dr. Stoll, pg 28:

"Within the cage, "Kaefig", which is the space to be secured, a human body encounters an almost null-point of energy near the physical center of the device. At this point, energy is actually drawn out of the Human body!" -Exclamation in the original.

Here we have:

1 Implications that a Nazi belief system was somehow associated with the Swastika in some indeterminate relationship to the constellation Ursa Minor; that SS members were trained in Tibet,
2 Seven Rays doctrine, an ever applicable set of beliefs that branches into several New Age concepts, cites a special relationship with the constellation Ursa Major and that the Seven Rays Teachings were channeled from a purported Tibetan Master, and
3 An account of an application of Nazi-understood physics that generates a field specifically to have negative effects on the physical body and brain of its target.

Taken together, the above information, minding that channeled information is considered highly suspect given how easily transmissions can be targeted to affect the brain, and with reports of a Nazi broadcasting station high in the Andes reported by William Lyne as the source for the "Ashtar Command messages" (another fixture in the New Age), we have a clear implication that the New Age belief system was started as a psychological operation by Nazi/ NWO interests.

If you skip to the 1hr6m35s mark this interview with William Lyne, you'll be right about where he mentions Ashtar command in relation to Nazis. I'd recommend the whole thing, but the Nazi-New Age link is mostly covered in the last 30 mins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqVnA2mQm64?t=1h6m35s

Link to post by Omniverse that beautifully encapsulates how I feel about the source of channeled information:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92689-Zen-Gardner-Exposed-Spotlight-on-Alt-Media&p=1092858&viewfull=1#post1092858

"To me it makes sense, you can waste time tossing blades of grass to the wind or you can swing fists. And if it sinks ships, bury me at sea, with my arms crossed, and a smile up on my pink lips." -"This is Our Science" by Astronautalis

boutreality

7th September 2016, 15:34

A decent overview on the negative psychological fallout of adopting New Age "traditions" is below. It is about 17 mins, he uses strong language so this is not for all. It captures some of what AutumnW and I were exchanging earlier here.
He aligns the whole of New Age with a Luciferian Agenda, since I source Luciferian "energies" with advanced technology (pdf linked to in most of my threads you linked to in opening post here) I technically agree though Luciferian is literally just a word I used because the machinations at work manipulate parts of what the star emanates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3R-0yhnreg

Follow link if vid gets pulled. He mentions God some, I don't have issues with that though the vid illustrates well how New Age works to control at subconscious levels; this is not about a believer/non-believer conflict.

Passio has many vids along these lines and this one is a snippet of a longer vid breaking down issues with the New Age as a mind control op- he focuses on it as "luciferian" and again, I see it as a cover for a weapons system.

Here's my neutral take on what the New Age is falsely communicating as the Law of Attraction:

The principle at play is not enacted by thought alone- that is a psyop. Intent, focused throughout the physiological body has a greater affect and in all cases there is a network of machinations in place to keep favored outcomes in the hands of the planet's rulers. As a general understanding the Law of Attraction is known because of an unconscious perception misinterpreted by the necessary step of conscious awareness ascertaining it in a communicable form.

I go more into this in my "Unified Field" thread (link in opening post.)

Enola

7th September 2016, 17:54

That's funny, I was just thinking of this topic this week. Or that a large part of the enlightenment/conscious-raising movement might be part of the Luciferian system.

I've always approached it in the context of the Christian God or the Hindu/Buddhist traditions. But there is a lot of the culture elite that seems into a form of enlightenment philosophy while not seeming particularly positive. Also, see rock-star philosophy, etc.

Makes me thing of the negative path to enlightenment where you leave out the heart-center. And the Theosophical society with Bailey/Blavatsky and their "Lucis Trust" and "preparing the world for the purity of the Luciferian doctrine". A lot of the New Age channelers seem to fit this bill as well.

boutreality

7th September 2016, 20:02

A definite standard operating procedure working through consciousness -to put this into context of an "other" that works through the whole to each individual's detriment- is the "If he says "Luciferian belief " is the problem he must follow a Christian ideal of God; or any other idea of "positive" deity.

Nothing says that has to be the default response- it's just the common one, and in Mark Passio's case (guy in last video) this certainly is the tact. I'm conveying that an advanced technological system and network of secreted scientific applications is at work.

There's nothing I can do to make it so others see it that way. To my mind a personal discipline is required from each individual. It's just about time that prearranged "trap doors" (like what is disguised/justified as the New Age set of beliefs) get considered.

boutreality

13th September 2016, 17:46

A value fitting with the Nazi eugenic ideal that chakras are capable of delivering:

The hormones secreted by Adrenals and testes in men/ovaries in women play large in the physiological ground for sexual attraction -the drive to have sex- and chakras govern energy allotted "to the glands and specific organs" (I swear that's actually a direct quote).
If this drive can be triggered by an outside source [chakras] then the drive to procreate or to waste one''s vital energy in frivolous sexual encounters while convincing both parties they are each "open" and "free" (etc.) can be enforced on sub/unconscious levels other than one's own psyche and bodily responses.

Spread over a mass of population the result would be only people of certain qualities yielding offspring of certain traits and strengths, all predetermined by systems like chakras -an old picture I drew of the machine that is responsible for chakra energy is pictured in the pdf I link to in the other threads.
The Skull and Bones thread gives a decent account fo the network of mega-structures and technologies that make up the control system.

boutreality

28th September 2016, 20:30

Here's a great presentation by Walter Bosley tracing an agenda involving the pursuit of flying machines, financial interests of Europe leading up to WWI (identified as the Second Reich) and the Prussian Empire (from which Germany came.) The presentation speaks to an international consortium that existed pre "Nazi era" (WW2, 3rd Reich) that was known to continually have and forward a scientific edge; he places it as primary evidence for a secret space program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijA7atHnm8M

It seems the idealistic link between Nazism and the NWO is gaining wider acceptance, this is one more set of information which serves to solidify the body of evidence.

Personally, I feel that WW2 and the Cold War served to record and "load up" recorded resonant frequencies of sentient conscious experience in the general population for future use, bringing them to bear upon the mass of the population, as by then the advanced scientific applications were in place and being "capitalized upon." The big picture take here is that WW1-2-Cold War-Terrorism are stages of planetary control the world rulers have to execute relative to how large the world population is and how 'advanced' civilization had grown since the last ice age.

boutreality

26th October 2016, 19:52

It's difficult to find Nazi to New Age connections through youtube that do not espouse a Christian stance. The below vid is from a series that does, though in part 7 (below) valuable information regarding several movements -from contactee to scientology- and characters key to advancing ideals in keeping with a control/deception agenda built around the New Age that serves Nazi goals is presented. The vid Series is called "New Age Nazi Deception"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxIyKSfna_s

boutreality

22nd November 2016, 00:36

"Newer" New Age Incursions into eastern traditions:

Taoism, as a tradition, is widely credited with introducing the idea of "the Elements" into a spiritual belief system. These elements are thought to be embodied, whole or in part, by every individual as they live their lives.

Elements according to Taosim, in order of a "healthy cycle":

Earth
Metal
Water
Wood
Fire
(Returns to Earth)

It is claimed that native traditions elsewhere in the world also held high regard for elements, from these the four element system originated. These usually omit metal, some include air.

New Age thought espouses the idea that Void is an element. This fits the New Age paradigm, a body of "secret and true" meanings to fill the gaps in "previous understandings" in the world's "flawed" belief systems. -I recently saw a post by OMG reporting that a friend told her/him that void is an element.

"Void" is the second dimension, it is the "holding realm" where various attacks reside. If a New Ager is engaged in any form of colored light/chakra based meditative practice, the colored light is meant to "open the user up" to experience the (insert color of ray) light's so-called divine aspect. As the user is literally becoming satiated and pacified by this experience, they are becoming more accurate and effective channels through which attacks may travel to enter another person. The void is the source of these attacks. The "bullets" constituting these attacks, a varied array of odd looking creatures of different sizes, blotches of darkness, etc. are made and propagated by actual physical constructs that found in the void dimension.

Typical of the New age is encouraging an adept to sanctify, through their dedication and steadfast belief, an aspect of a weapons array meant to use each believer to deliver its debilitating effects to others and control its adherents.

THIS IS IN NO WAY THE FAULT OF OVER 95% OF NEW AGE FOLLOWERS.

There is likely documentation to apparently "validate" the claims. Chakras are a part of this same weapons array; they date back to 8th century BC. As many, many New Age followers will claim, "These are actually very old truths- it's sort of stupid to call it the New Age." -I heard those words verbatim from a victim of the New Age. Old does not by default make it good.

Another recent iteration of New Age incursion is Esoteric Buddhism, led by the now deceased Master Yu (RIP), a tradition linking its heritage to the "actual" first Buddha - a different man from Mahayana and other forms of the faith. Master Yu's tradition is steeped in colored light, in listening to mantras; streaming syllables of words in a different language and listening to them over and over again, and in spreading this light into others under the protective properties of your Mantras. It's the 7 Rays repackaged in New Age fashion, specifically stylized for the Buddhist.

Mantak Chia speaks of a form of Taoism that encourages energy centers and different levels of one's being. His version of codified beliefs is also a variance on existing beliefs seeking to make the adept a node of propagation for the weapons array.

Common "bullets" sent through a New Ager's being, using a 'directed' colored field of light as its conduit, are bits of the black substance described as "The Electromagnetic Vampire" in Post #63 here.

"It is a too-small world that imagines its solution by abstract deductions." -William Carlos Williams

boutreality

29th November 2016, 16:52

In the first 15 minutes of this interview, Joseph Farrell does a great job of communicating the framework for how the Nazis set up the Cold war. As is the case with most Farrell interviews, there's plenty of reason to listen to the whole thing. From 33m to just after 40m he weaves a thread from UFO/Contactee through Psyops to the New Age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7I1iLHBUc8
At 54m15s he posits that the Giza Pyramid was a "coupled harmonic oscillator coupled to the celestial mechanics of the entire solar system." -If anyone gets into the implications of this and takes their time with the info in some of my threads, (not claiming to be the only one saying it) they'd understand why I believe he's on the right track.

transiten

29th November 2016, 18:04

Werner Von Braun said, “First it will be Communists, then it will be terrorists, then it will be aliens, and the whole time it will actually be them.” –“Them” refers to Nazis/the elite cabal.

I'd not heard that before. Not challenging this at all, but do you have a reference for the quote?

I've read and heard it. I believe I read it in The Report From Iron Mountain (At least what purported to be that book.). I heard it on the "internets" by a woman claiming to be a personal assistant to Von Braun. She was speaking at length about him and his convictions, i. e. beliefs.

She spoke in the disclosure project and said that this is what Wernher von Braun told her before dying. Her name is Carol Rosin.

http://in5d.com/are-the-ruling-elite-about-to-play-the-last-card/

Here's more from "Is Corey Goode decieved" thread: The Carol Rosin show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxaHdGXq5PA

boutreality

27th December 2016, 05:12

I feel that contributions by high-up Freemasonry to the construction field, why their order is so affiliated with building and has been since its origins, is because they build structures (schools; churches; high-rises, etc) utilizing materials and proportions meant to entangle features of inter-dimesnional support structures; carrying the effects of an advanced weapons array through to this dimension.

boutreality

20th January 2017, 04:57

I'd like to take time to elucidate a few implications of c(squared) representing sentience and i intent:

Their system defines and calculates each individual as mc(squared)i, (I'm not a mathematician and the actual calculated representation may differ.) from this we may view the messianic religious model from a new angle.

First, if the large majority of the world population is waiting for one individual to return or show up and fix it all, a subconscious impotence resides latent in man as a whole because "some one's coming- and boy it's soon" (The "boy it's soon part" gains steam every ten years of so.) -Mind you Buddhism has engendered sects of its own involving "The World Teacher" -Maitrya; again one individual to fix it all; Hinduism typically harbors sects awaiting one or another iteration of Brahman in physical form according to which age we are thought to be in.

A general malaise complete with an internal reason that "we can only do so much until..." tends to settle in for each individual as they age in the general population. -Social engineering alone dictates this. However, there is substantial evidence supporting that encouragement for this assumption, delivered with attendant sensory evidence, is provided by a covert system at work to enforce this conclusion.

If your chosen religion gives you reason to harbor anything from neutral to altruistic intent then awesome! In the grand scheme, you're doing your part.

Second, a fixture of each mc(squared)i's psyche is their ego (not counting what the system does to create, enforce and manage the ego/id dichotomy- "Jupiter/Neptune's Roles..." thread), should a person for whatever reason, be it owing to their own legitimate internal advancement, or through drugged-like states mistaken to be genuine progress, "grow" sufficiently, the primacy of the ego in a positon of command of a person's inner landscape falls into question.

-It must reorient, and therefore psychological upheaval can result. Because the ego cannot consider an existence outside its own parameters, persons experiencing these potentially transformative periods often make claims the "the world is going to end" or "I am the messiah" as conceptual dispenstion in order to deal with their condition in a way that still champion's the Ego's role ("world is going to end" because the ego's dominance is under threat in the claimant. - A condition encouraged by multiple measure, not the least of which is the first mentioned.

Third, any individual, because they are classified as mc(squared)i, can and does become subject to the vast amounts of influence and attack the weapons array can offer.

"If you think you know enough to know you know you've had enough. And if you think you don't you probably will. Our tails wagged and then fell off, but we just turned back marched into the sea." -"March Into the Sea" by Modest Mouse

Jupi7er

20th January 2017, 06:07

I do not totally trust books.
Bible, History, Science ... I have found fault in all of them.

Nazi's ... a tremendous lie !
More lies in the history of Nazis have I found through tremendous research and study then pretty much ANY texts studied.

I'll tell you WHY I no longer share the amazing revelations Ive learned ... not because of POLITEcs [politics - politeness]
but because of ppls apathy to study hard and research and think through the obviousness of the lies hidden in plain sight, it shows me that by intellectual impotence, or by conventions of culture they are not strong enough to STAND UP to lies and
be singled out for ridicule, torture, and targeting.

But it is a great travesty that USA France Britain, and allies CARPET BOMBED civilian women children and wiped out the blond population of Germany only to later encourage Arab incursions into Europe to finish the Job.

8 million innocent civilians fire bombed, in response to the eugenics program and classified technology that USA was so jealous of.

Today blond ppls are by science the endangered species of humanity and the word SLAVE comes from the SLAVs who were traded by sex slave trade markets worldwide before any African slave trade I am aware of.

NAZI means PRINCE in Hebrew.
You will need to do 30 yrs research to catch up to me and I cannot in the remainder of my life write or publish all Ive leaned
there just isnt time.

I only wish that ppl would learn that this taboo subject is of primary importance to study before the end.
Raised in the hippie era of equality, free love, and justice I learned about racism by traveling the world and seeing rapes, attacks and being targeted by others for my ethnicity even though I was the person politically supporting OTHER ppls rights
and acting in a charitable manner towards other nations, peoples, and tribes.

Whenever I see the word Nazi now it upsets me because of the ignorance of truth and the insecure immature attitude to conform to politically correct culture.

POLITE means to LIE !
To act in an insincere manner TO ACT, to play theatre, to be a POLITE politician
to evade the truth, to deceive, to defraud by pretense, to wage psychological warfare !

The SWASTIKA was a symbol of PEACE

NAZIS PRINCES

ARYANS NOBLE [meaning virtuous]

and because USA employed more extreme evils than Hitler to win the war they lost
I cannot believe that ppl are so eager to accept the history of Nazis as given by history books published by British/American
publishing houses.

Yet those of us who had honest fathers in that war have heard the atrocities of Dresden
seen the hollow emptiness in their faces, the alcoholism, the trauma, the permanent psychological damage of killing off not just a race, but the race that took forever to replace, requiring technology so advanced it kills planets to make the genetic laboratories industries and industry necessary to replace what requires an act of god to create.

By protecting the original species all this planet killing can be averted.
Keep pure the non GMO non trans-humans keep pure the rivers streams air soil races and earth
and no NEW WORLD ORDER is necessary.
Keep virgin what is is virtuous and never have to complain of corruption.

The OLD World Order is the traditional lifestyle in which each cultural heritage is preserved and inter tribal trade is conducted without a sex trade or slavery.

We as a community are CHRIST
in the Druidic lore I read THE CIRCLE is GOD
there was no pyramid scheme scam
betrayal of the community resulted in Exile.

Many TEACHERS roamed the earth because of this
SOLON who taught Plato
These were PRIESTS only because like the biblical Cain they were EXPELLED from their own communities
and I suspect perhaps JESUS falls into this category an exiled Essene who wandered earth seeking to regain a community.

NAZARITE NAZIrites

You will likely not even begin to grasp the most superficial nano particle of truth here
if I wrote an encyclopedia it could relate a grain of truth of what I learned
MY learning is not a group SPIRITUAL REALITY
not from forums where ppl, band together in thinking and agree
but from lone searching looking for lies and cryptic clues in texts that are blatant obvious deceits
contradictions that are irreconcilable in which only through observation and careful cryptology deciphering can one arrive at
the definitive determination that the Nazi agenda was the most virtuous agenda on earth and that careful examination of historical documents under intense scrutiny shows the that statements to the contrary are based on lies misinformation and that USA was the primary force in obstructing this project to restore the origins of a species targeted for extermination.

I only wish I had eternity to tell you all I know
that would be enough to tell you chapter one ...

boutreality

20th January 2017, 07:04

Jupi7er-

I will not engage tit-for-tat antics, I trust you are convinced of your stance. In response:

I've never implied that run-of-the-mill citizens of Germany during the rule of what is generally accepted as Nazi Europe were somehow "In on it;" or that all German citizens alive then wanted the holocaust, etc.
Ruling constructs at work then and today are formidable and the dictatorial rule of National Socialism exacerbated that, the influence of inculcation, mind-control and group think were clear factors in Nazi Europe.

Eugenics began around 1900 AD in the USA, where it was beginning to be offered at College and University levels, it was picked up by the steamroll of "justifying" ideologies that served to ground the Nazi ideal of an inherent Aryan Power peculiar to those of Teutonic/Nordic stock and the Aryan collective soul. Many financiers of the Nazi rise to power were American and European elite/aristocrats.

The notion of some latent superiority present in one particular race of people has always been and will rightly remain pseudo-science, ideological and financial support of these types of thought may grant the appearance of legitimacy among more gullible and desperate groups. Even if such an ideal is actually rooted in "We have the right to rule, you don't", and its application is encouraging and favoring ideas like Eugenics as a valid science, the salient factor is our actual genome.

The same genome as every race is expressed as "more melanin in skin cells and coarse black hair" in black people and other slight variations in expression of the SAME genome is the reason different races exist. Any argument to the contrary can only be based in intellectual sentimentality, regardless of how many obscure texts/personages were drawn from in its formation.

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One point of this thread is that the NWO predates, at least in ideological precept, the Nazis and the Nazis as a movement, though displaced from their own outright Nation State still serve a role in accomplishing the NWO's goal. I'd say they work hand in hand and that this cooperation is so long-standing and plays out on such a vast scale that it compromises generally accepted parameters of thought.

Another point of this thread is to draw a line through Nazis to NWO to New Age Beliefs, so, building on my last post:

Defining each individual as a singular mc(squared)i also works to solidify the Control/Attack system's ability to aid in accomplishing the NWO Agenda.

Recall the part of the NWO's model for world governance includes ONE world leader who serves over one world council. -The system would then work to covertly defend this one person and model.

Also, remember in the mid to late 90s, when New Age proponents placed endless treatises on the internet about the "need" for a one world system of rule as a requisite to join the "Galactic Federation of Light" -statements like this were once popular in "Plejaran messages", among others- Remember how during this same period New Age authors explained there would come an oh-so flowery day when characters like Master Jesus (who was "working with the pope in the Vatican"); Maitreya (who was serving in office in the UN); and "possibly" Sai Baba (who was listed as the "Lord of the Red Ray of Cosmic Love at this time") would serve on a "World Beliefs Council" to play a role in service to the world's citizens under this global rule?

-Yet another example where encouraged reliance on mesmerizing hypothetical figures, either political or "spiritual", is offered before espousing any thought substantiating personal sovereignty.

Herve started a thread sharing a real decent overview of psyop factors present in the New Age, worth a read if you haven't already:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88873-The-New-Age-Psy-op

boutreality

21st January 2017, 07:24

A definite factor when considering the implications of a largely automated system of controls and attack, one that defines each individual as a singular mc(squared)i, are the general psychological protocols common to every person.

Of these "Self-definition" is primary. We all identify to some extent as an Employee; if in the DoD as a soldier/service member of whatever rank; if a law enforcement member, with whatever force/alphabet agency.

A system seeking to steer thought and contain potentials within each person before they can be realized would take these conscious "subroutines" of general cognition to be inroads where manipulation can find ground. -Ie. "Because I am a Marine I answer ultimately to the Commander in Chief" -these thoughts would be intervened with and enforced in ways that best preserve the power structure.

When it comes to containing "spiritual" abilities (quotes denote that our actual capacities are astounding, though subtle, and are completely founded in the physical once it is seen from the right angle, taking into account appropriate information), quite a few beliefs couched in New Age Dogma are in place to answer the call.

In the William Lyne interview posted above (post 63), he briefly covers a movement founded in Nazi Europe called the "I AM movement" (look it up; it existed) from the standpoint of control, having a sufficient amount of people focus their intent on the words/intent "I Am" and never consciously filling in the blank, with a thought encouraging/controlling construct at work behind the scenes, a contribution from an external, hidden framework of influence can be seen to be divine and empowering.

Add to this a rather public though lesser known facet of Scientology, where posters hung that looked very similar to the "top" of a so-called "traditional" depiction of the Seven Rays, throughout at least the first half of the 90s, in Scientology "Recruitment/Outreach" centers. (Don't know what they're called, but they're storefront-like spaces in strip malls and elsewhere.) Depicted there was a circle of White Light directly above and a Circle of Yellow Light that had a black capital "I" in it; then below it and off to the side, to form one bottom corner a triangle, a Blue Light containing the word "Am" and the third point of the triangle, directly across from the Blue/"Am", was a Red Light containing the word "You".

-This is a direct conceptual link to a system of thought/being control operating under the guise of spiritual "techniques":

In light of this Interdimensional System's other functions -previously shared- a paradigm is suggested where members of the "I Am" movement had the frequencies of their sentient experiences recorded while they are in the group. -Where "I" when paired with Yellow light is thought of as "Advanced/Higher Intellect"; "Am" when paired with Blue light is considered "Properly placed Emotional drive/reason" and "You" paired with Red Light is "Force of Divine/Appropriately drawn upon Will".

The system's utilization of what followers went through in the "I am" movement serves to underwrite and strengthen subconscious/conscious legitimacy of the (later developed) Scientology's "I Am You", which now may rightly be considered an advancement in terms of a control/attack agenda accomplished with an extremely low amount of people inside these organizations knowingly participating to advance that end.

I have taken great pains to convey that I harbor no ill will toward members of the New Age, whatever its form, including Scientologists. The implications of what is being said here about these "Orders and Traditions", and actual source(s) of the energies these sets take to be "wondrous and necessary" is owed consideration.

"I've been on some "Leave this town, burn it down, never look back sh**." Passing out on your couch, sneaking out the back tip... They've been on some "Got this, squat this, reroute the power grid. Cops can't stop this "Over our dead body b**ch"... Put it down in our path? -Million ways around that sh**." -"Sike" by Astronautalis