Where can I be free?

[AwakenedWarrior]

I want to explore my options of countries where I can relocate and start a life in. I currently live in the United States, and while it does have it's benefits, this lifestyle no longer resonates with me. My ideal lifestyle would be self sufficient, environmentally friendly, low cost, and naturally abundant. I prefer to be surrounded by nature, such as forests and beaches, and far from other people. My experience with the mass consciousness here in the population of NY so far, with some refreshing exceptions, is that of low vibrational being (fear and negativity), and disconnection from nature. I want to be free to grow my own food, catch my own rainwater, explore nature uninhibited, smoke cannabis as I please. I do not need anyone telling me how I should live, and do not need extreme government regulation as experienced here in the US, and would like to live a life with little government as possible. I understand there is a necessity to the extent to keep certain services available to enhance my life experience. I am willing to learn a new language if necessary. Anyone have any ideas or recommendations? Thank you for your time. :Angel:

[Daozen]

Taiwan is cool. Specially the East coast (I live in the North). Land in Hualien costs a lot, but you could lead a simple life there if you rented a farmhouse... You can't smoke dope there, you can get deported or even jailed.

Want to get stoned? Try Holland or Colorado.

[AwakenedWarrior]

Hmm Taiwan, I will add it to my list of travels. I lived in the US my entire life, and I am aware of how socially unaware we are here. So, to my knowledge I thought China was one of the most heavily government regulated places in the world? Unless it varies in location such as the country area?

[peggy englebrake]

Awakened Warrior We are all looking for that kind of place. I think we have to create it. I believe in 2017 you will start to see people leaving their old residences and lives and start creating their own lifestyles. It may take something like "the Event" from the galactic center and a complete collapse of our financial and political systems worldwide, but we haven't got anything better to do.
Of course, Hawaii is always nice, especially in the off tourist season.

[Daozen]

Hmm Taiwan, I will add it to my list of travels. I lived in the US my entire life, and I am aware of how socially unaware we are here. So, to my knowledge I thought China was one of the most heavily government regulated places in the world? Unless it varies in location such as the country area?

Varies heavily on location. In Kunming, they say: "Beijing is over the hills and far away." I think the US is more of a police state than China. London is the surveilance capitial of the world.

You might like Kunming + Yunnan province. I lived there a few months. You can make a relatively good wage teaching English. They grow a lot of pot there and the police *normally* turn a blind eye. But if you get caught and get a 10 year sentence, don't blame me. IMO, it's dangerous to jeopordize a stay in an awesome Asian country, just for the sake of a spliff. Not lecturing anyone, just a strategic consideration.

Sichuan is good too.

Taiwan is its own country with its own laws, but don't tell the Chinese that.

[AwakenedWarrior]

I agree, I also believe we have to create the reality of our lives. But I hope it doesn't have to come to a disastrous event or collapse in humanity to achieve actual freedom. The freedom people have experienced on the most basic level before the development of civilization.
Ah yes, Hawaii, always on my mind. That and Puerto Rico.

[AwakenedWarrior]

Yea the US is definitely a militarized police state.Can't deny that.
Is Sichuan, and Kunming + Yunnan province a naturally abundant location? I really love nature, and I want to be surrounded by it.
And smoking cannabis isn't the main factor in my decision, I smoke it on and off for consciousness enhancing purposes. I agree, I wouldn't want to risk something amazing for something minor. But the principle I believe is I am free to smoke what I want, when I want, where I want. And if someone is going to tell me that a natural plant that has proven beneficial purposes can't be experimented with, then I am second guessing their intentions for my well being. Maybe that's just me.

[TargeT]

I've been to every continent except Africa & a handful of countries on each.

Can't beat 'merica... I've been a few places in the continental states & it varies a LOT by region there as well.. I'd find somewhere in the US to transplant to, there's a lot of craziness out there that is not present in the US. Guam might be nice; everyone I meet from there seems pretty laid back.


Though I do like the Philippines a lot (but don't want to be anywhere near that region with current china south sea tensions).

[Frankie Pancakes]

Costa Rica has no standing army, varied climate from lowlands hot humid to mountain valleys cool, a lot of water, the ability to plant and live off the land and a relaxed attitude toward consumption. Cost to live here depends on what you need. Imports heavily taxed but fresh fruits, veggies, eggs, raw milk etc are reasonable. More or less a live and let live vibe.

[Fanna]

I want to explore my options of countries where I can relocate and start a life in. I currently live in the United States, and while it does have it's benefits, this lifestyle no longer resonates with me. My ideal lifestyle would be self sufficient, environmentally friendly, low cost, and naturally abundant. I prefer to be surrounded by nature, such as forests and beaches, and far from other people. My experience with the mass consciousness here in the population of NY so far, with some refreshing exceptions, is that of low vibrational being (fear and negativity), and disconnection from nature. I want to be free to grow my own food, catch my own rainwater, explore nature uninhibited, smoke cannabis as I please. I do not need anyone telling me how I should live, and do not need extreme government regulation as experienced here in the US, and would like to live a life with little government as possible. I understand there is a necessity to the extent to keep certain services available to enhance my life experience. I am willing to learn a new language if necessary. Anyone have any ideas or recommendations? Thank you for your time. :Angel:

This is a good resource for finding sustainable living communities anywhere on the globe (http://www.ic.org/directory/maps/).

[Althena]

I felt like you and did something about it, not saying I don't sometimes miss the abundance of EVERYTHING in Nor Cal, but I think I have chosen my way of life and place in the world wisely to raise a family. Good luck.

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[sheme]

Anyway you can incorporate your study subject with a gap year for instance.

[bettye198]

I have lived in Belgium and also Mexico for extended periods of time. Doesn't look like Belgium is faring well and Mexico, no thank you. A life of bartering basically for your life in and out of the country, and especially if you drive a car. We happened to leave just as Echeverria was sending his helicopters over our home with guns pointing downward.

To find a country or island or hamlet that does not have aggressive control over the citizens will be difficult. Maybe Bali? I do agree with the post on Costa Rica. Remember the past governor of one of the midwestern states? Very vocal political speaker, had his own show. Sorry the name escapes me. He lived off the grid in Costa Rica.

I get that you want freedom from oppression. We all do. I don't believe there is a sovereign place we can exercise complete freedom unless you live on a desert island.

[Bill Ryan]

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--> Ecuador Diary: an invitation :) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91271-Ecuador-Diary-an-invitation--)

[Nasu]

We need to build it where we stand, or and, die trying. Otherwise at best we save ourselves and some close to us, at worst we save no one. A life under the radar, impacting no one and no thing, is nothing, it's not a life, unless you can sneek off a complete community with you.... Even wild, non contacted humans live in communal groups...

Bloom and grow either where you are planted, or where the winds of life blew you to, is my humble recommend...x... N

[Fanna]

We need to build it where we stand, or and, die trying.

I second this opinion. Movement to ask the collective to all do the same. Can I get a second?

Also, there are TONS of communities like this all over the globe all on this site (http://www.ic.org/directory/maps/).

[Conde]

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I did it... and let me tell you… it is easy !!!!

[Sierra]

From wiki, which also has a complete list by country:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_cannabis_by_country


As of 2015, Bangladesh, Cambodia, Canada, Chile, Colombia, the Czech Republic, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Portugal, Spain, Costa Rica, Uruguay, Germany, the Netherlands, some U.S. states, Native American Indian reservations, and cities as well as some territories of Australia have the least restrictive cannabis laws while China, Egypt, France, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Nigeria, Norway, the Philippines, Poland, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Korea, Thailand, Turkey, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates and Vietnam have the strictest cannabis laws.[3][4]

The article also states, "annabis is evolving rapidly. This list may be out of date.". Lol.

[Dianamar]

Oooh i like this thread ! :sun:

[Watching from Cyprus]

Montenegro is outside the EU and enormously beautiful.
I will say, europe's Mexico

Promo vid here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZFBuSQ2BnY

[Octavusprime]

There are a few states that are more free than others. Alaska, Montana, Maine come to mind but there are others too. You can do more on your land without government regulation. Cannabis is legal in Colorado, Alaska, Washington and many other states will be likely following suit.

IMO Alaska is the most close to being a free state.

[TargeT]

IMO Alaska is the most close to being a free state.

Living there is no picnic.. I made it 13 years.. I'll never go back. & now it's economy has been GUTTED (due to low oil prices)... I don't know for sure, but I bet it's REAL ugly up there right now.

and it will be until oil breaks 80$ a barrel. (http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/crude-oil.aspx)

[jimrich]

I want to explore
Who wants to explore? Who/what is this 'I'? Who/what are you? (ask your self Who am I?)
Here's a clue......
www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLhFvhQIUj35yAUA8jK6Hbudxdv1meq6l0&v=SvmLnz18DYk

[Sideshow Shaman]

Some years ago i went through the process of looking for a new place to call home. Left the Empire State and started traveling… While the idea of looking for freedom was not in my mind at the time, that is a very good principle by which to measure different locations.

Where i have been living, now for a few years, offers an unusual amount of freedom for foreigners (expats). For instance, tourists show up and comment all the time about how free they feel here. Previously this area was even more free but only recently have the tourists started using that word to describe it. Perhaps more people are starting to realizing how un-free most countries are.

It is interesting to notice that living as an expat, it is possible to experience more freedom than people born and raised in the same location. Remember that the job #1 of police forces and governments is to suppress their local populations. Expats are slightly outside the focus of police/government and are also not really subject to the local variety of cultural indoctrination/restrictions.

So my suggestion for AwakenedWarrior is to travel to places and evaluate them through first hand experience. Personally, i prefer Cambodia however Laos also seems like a good place to start as well.

Places i suggest avoiding include North America, Europe, the Caribbean, Thailand, Malaysia... Any country hosting US military bases seems wise to avoid as well. Since it was mentioned, i would also avoid the Hawaiian islands. They have been the testing ground for genetically modified crops for over 20 years, amongst other reasons.

Finding nature was also important for me. Another way to think of this is looking for a country that has never experienced industrial development. Both Laos and Cambodia have yet to experience large scale industry.

Overall, try to find the little backwaters of the world that the modern empire ignores. Unfortunately the internet will be of little help in this, although “reading between the lines” might offer clues.

This thread inspired me to rejoin Avalon.
So thanks for starting the conversation and have fun searching the world.

If you do find freedom, there is an adjustment period for police-state-escapees during which it is very important not to ‘act the fool’. Because freedom also means being personally responsible for your actions ;-)

[The Freedom Train]

Ha! Great graphic Althena! :0)

[The Freedom Train]

We need to build it where we stand, or and, die trying. Otherwise at best we save ourselves and some close to us, at worst we save no one. A life under the radar, impacting no one and no thing, is nothing, it's not a life, unless you can sneek off a complete community with you.... Even wild, non contacted humans live in communal groups...

Bloom and grow either where you are planted, or where the winds of life blew you to, is my humble recommend...x... N

So wise and true - where'er you go, there you are!

And Nasu you inspired me to add, by the way, that the real frontier right now for staking our freedom is..... IN OUR MINDS!!!! After all this is where we are being controlled, first and foremost. The body follows.

[Fanna]

Try a Tent City. I just found myself living in one and it is exactly what everyone is talking about here in this forum-- a community. I got hella lucky with this place, but I am coming to realize that it is only this way because good souls have found their way here by the grace of a power higher than all of us.

[Chris Gilbert]

*bump* *bump*

[Anka]

Some would just say, "I want to run in the world and that's it."
Others would say in the kingdom of God, others would say London, Asia, Dubai, Brazil or an island.

I would say that anywhere we can be free but especially in the bosom of Nature where everything matters for our dreams, a clear sky and a pleasant company among other people.

[TargeT]

I moved 25 miles out of DC after escaping to an isolated island for 7 years........

YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE!

Make peace with your location, unless it's a densely populated area (Inside DC, Detroit etc..._) you are fine; do not let fear dominate you.... I've gone from Alaska to St Croix USVI and now I'm in northern VA... it's all about you and your communal ties, go where you want to go and make it work :) (it's not hard!)

[Strat]

I moved 25 miles out of DC after escaping to an isolated island for 7 years........

YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE!

Make peace with your location, unless it's a densely populated area (Inside DC, Detroit etc..._) you are fine; do not let fear dominate you.... I've gone from Alaska to St Croix USVI and now I'm in northern VA... it's all about you and your communal ties, go where you want to go and make it work :) (it's not hard!)

Why'd you leave St. Croix?

[Bill Ryan]

I'm not trying to sell Ecuador: just reminding folks it exists. :) (See this thread: About Ecuador (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111959-About-Ecuador))

Covid cases falling, lockdown ended, no internal travel restrictions, no shortages of anything, no chemtrails, no 5G (yet!), no fluoride in the water, fresh fruit and veg everywhere, very low cost of living. Forced vaccinations here would be very unlikely, or at least near-impossible to enforce.

It's not perfect. Nowhere may be. There are downsides. Any strategic relocation is quite a big decision. And I'd endorse what TargeT says: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1382018#post1382018) often, when people relocate, their personal problems and challenges accompany them. (You can never relocate from yourself!)

:)

[TargeT]

I moved 25 miles out of DC after escaping to an isolated island for 7 years........

YOU ARE WHERE YOU ARE!

Make peace with your location, unless it's a densely populated area (Inside DC, Detroit etc..._) you are fine; do not let fear dominate you.... I've gone from Alaska to St Croix USVI and now I'm in northern VA... it's all about you and your communal ties, go where you want to go and make it work :) (it's not hard!)

Why'd you leave St. Croix?

for a job advancement, I still have a place there (my mom lives in my house there) and I'll keep it as a "home base" but it's too small for me at this stage in my life.

& I've never really been in a large city setting like I am close to now... it's quite the experience and I'm greatly enjoying myself so far.


often, when people relocate, their personal problems and challenges accompany them. (You can never relocate from yourself!)

:)

in both Alaska and St Croix there were a lot of people "running from something" or "running to something" (generally an equal weight of both).... I saw both locations chew up and spit out people who moved with that mentality.

On STX you weren't even "there" unless you made it past 6 months (turn over rate was pretty high).

Be careful what you wish for, you might get it ;)

[Strat]

I've tried explaining that to an ex, it was quite apparent she was running from her problems. Unfortunately she did have very real past trauma. She came to FL from... I forget. Then she said this place sucks and she left for Carolinas. Then evidently that place sucked and last I heard she was in WA (that's more along her political spectrum). I wish her the best where ever the hell she is now.

[Gracy]

And I'd endorse what TargeT says: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1382018#post1382018) often, when people relocate, their personal problems and challenges accompany them. (You can never relocate from yourself!)

:)

Like the old saying goes:


No matter where you go
There you are

[Praxis]

Shouldnt this thread be in the "Problems with Immigrants and Immigration" Section of the forum?

You all are clearly talking about Immigration and becoming immigrants, or at least the possibility of it.

So lets put this thread in the proper place for it in the forum shall we?

[Bill Ryan]

Shouldnt this thread be in the "Problems with Immigrants and Immigration" Section of the forum?

You all are clearly talking about Immigration and becoming immigrants, or at least the possibility of it.

So lets put this thread in the proper place for it in the forum shall we?Well, not necessarily. I used to live in southern England, but eventually relocated very happily to Scotland, way to the north. (Of course there I was still regarded as a kind of immigrant! :) )

Or, as TargeT was sharing above, he (as an American) recently moved back to the mainland US East Cast from St Croix in the Caribbean. Joel Skousen's well-known book Strategic Relocation deals predominantly with Americans relocating to new and maybe preferable areas within the US.

There are many parallels within the EU, as you'll be aware. Someone living in Germany or the Netherlands may well be interested to move to Sweden (as they freely can) — where they would very probably be warmly welcomed.

[Tintin]

I want to explore my options of countries where I can relocate and start a life in. I currently live in the United States, and while it does have it's benefits, this lifestyle no longer resonates with me. My ideal lifestyle would be self sufficient, environmentally friendly, low cost, and naturally abundant. I prefer to be surrounded by nature, such as forests and beaches, and far from other people. My experience with the mass consciousness here in the population of NY so far, with some refreshing exceptions, is that of low vibrational being (fear and negativity), and disconnection from nature. I want to be free to grow my own food, catch my own rainwater, explore nature uninhibited, smoke cannabis as I please. I do not need anyone telling me how I should live, and do not need extreme government regulation as experienced here in the US, and would like to live a life with little government as possible. I understand there is a necessity to the extent to keep certain services available to enhance my life experience. I am willing to learn a new language if necessary. Anyone have any ideas or recommendations? Thank you for your time. :Angel:

I'm late to this thread, and I like the premise of the opening post. My take on the 'Where can I be free?' really isn't a geographical location. It's very much to do with where you orient within or outwith your self. Perhaps that's the answer. Where are you most comfortable with your understanding of your self may enable freedom? (It's late, and may be the best way for me right to articulate this, right now, but I think you get that :) )

[Sue (Ayt)]

There is quite a difference between US states, too. Some states feel much "freer" to live in, even now.