Camelot teleconference, Sun 19 Dec: Kerry, Bill, David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

Kerry has organized a Project Camelot teleconference, next Sunday 19 December, on the subject of DISCLOSURE.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/events.html

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/images/events/Discosure2.jpg


Participation costs $39. From what I know, the discussion could be VERY interesting indeed.

To book a place, please visit this page (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/events.html).

The 3 hour conference will be via password protected audio stream with a video component and call-in number for live questions.

We will talk about 'disclosure' of every kind, how Disclosure is rolling out, the latest evidence and testimony we have received, and our various opinions on where we may be headed.

Access information will be sent out approx. 1-2 hours before the event begins on December 19th.

Do join us: I think this promises to be a good one.

Avalonians participating in the free event (with myself only) at 3.55 PST, Tuesday 14 December (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8411-Avalon-Live-Chat-with-Bill-Ryan-Revisited) may enjoy getting a bit of a preview.

[East Sun]

Never let it become a money thing or we are sunk...........

[Bill Ryan]

Never let it become a money thing or we are sunk...........

I agree. As best I know, the $39 means one can participate in the conference live and interact with the speakers, asking questions.

I'm not organizing this (Kerry is), but I'm sure it'll be made available sometime after the event. Think of it as a real conference in a room where people pay to be there. A little while later, parts of the conference will be made available on video. The suggestion of a 'door-fee' of $39 apparently came from Richard Hoagland.

I do understand about the money thing. It's a tough question. Nowadays we all kinda think (including yours truly here) that all information on the net should be free. But at the same time, people who are semi-public figures - as the four of sort of are - have to live.

We do not have 9-5 jobs, or trust funds, or wealthy benefactors. There are other things one can do to earn money, such as writing books and making conference appearances - and teleconferencing is one of them.

I do welcome intelligent feedback on this.

Having said all of the above: I really do think this event will be good value - and that might be an understatement.

The Tuesday 14 December Avalon event (tomorrow) is free of charge. Think of it as being a kind of thank-you for Avalon members. Click here for details:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8411-Avalon-Live-Chat-with-Bill-Ryan-Revisited

[Ilie Pandia]

Nowadays we all kinda think (including yours truly here) that all information on the net should be free. But at the same time, people who are semi-public figures - as the four of sort of are - have to live.

I like to be informed about the kind of topics discussed here on Avalon, but I do not have the time, neither resources or skill to do my own research (except of course for Internet data mining that everyone does). So I personally prefer to pay some money to get to the information, especially when I know I can expect good quality info out of it. It's a lot better than paying a TV cable subscription for instance.

[George Hilton]

Hi Bill,

This event sounds really good and am very impressed by the lineup. For the odd event here and there I certainly have no qualms about paying and 39$ is certainly not extortionate. The timing is nice too...a spiritual treat just before xmas. The only thing which would be preferable (at least for me!) is if the conference began an hour or two earlier. Simply because we in the UK would have to tune in from 10pm til 1 or 2am and digesting hours of this info at that time of the morning can be draining! I don't wish to sound like a moaner, I love everything you guys are doing and long may it continue!

[Erin]

$39 for 3 hours seems reasonable to me. If you do the math it comes out to about $3/hr for the four involved, which is less than 1/3rd minimum wage here in California. Plus you get to participate in the discussion.

I hope the audio is made available for free afterward, though. Or maybe do kind of what Mel Fabregas does and split in it half so you can listen to the first half free, and purchase the second half for a small sum if you like what you hear.

[Arpheus]

I live on a tight budget,just got my son his xmas stuff so i am flat broke as much as i'd like to see this i dont have an extra 39 bucks laying around to pay for it,sorry but i will have to pass and watch it later if it ever gets released for free at a later date.

[Bill Ryan]

I live on a tight budget,just got my son his xmas stuff so i am flat broke as much as i'd like to see this i dont have an extra 39 bucks laying around to pay for it,sorry but i will have to pass and watch it later if it ever gets released for free at a later date.

Fully understood! I'm not organizing this, so I don't know when the archive might be posted.

But here's a Christmas present... the recording of yesterday's interview with myself only. The event on Sunday promises to be four times as much fun (and left to its own devices might go on for many hours!)

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_BBS_radio_14_Dec_2010.mp3

[Ilie Pandia]

Is there a schedule with some time-frame for this event? Don't know who should I ask about this info, but getting the details with just 1-2 hours in advance is a bit late, one may miss it (especially if we must install some software to access the event...)

[Victoria Tintagel]

Hey Avaloneans, here's the newsletter from David Wilcock amongst which an announcement of the same teleconference Bill Ryan posts here.
I received this in my mailbox today and decided to post it here. We certainly live in interesting times :) Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

For ordering tickets, go to: http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/904-disclosureconference?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DavidWilcockBlog+%28David+Wilcock+Newsletter%29 or order them through the link in Bill's post.

Disclosure with David, Project Camelot and Richard Hoagland!

Call in this Sunday for a Disclosure tour-de-force with Richard C. Hoagland, David Wilcock, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan -- truly a 'Dream Team'! We're getting closer and closer to the Big Moment -- and now you can hear the collective wisdom of these speakers as we share our views!

LOTS TO TALK ABOUT
All four of us are in contact with significant insiders -- and everyone agrees that the Old World Order is already trying to make a last-ditch attempt at collapsing the economy. Personally I do not believe they will succeed, but there could be a rough patch. At the same time, we're in the midst of a fascinating Disclosure horse race. It keeps getting more and more intense -- and there are layers to the story that none of us have said publicly yet.

This protected format gives us the opportunity to speak freely and really get into detail about what is going on. Knowing it will not be broadcast all over the Internet allows us to leak information we otherwise could not -- or would not, for our own safety. Richard and I have had some conversations about "The Event" privately, and that is a fascinating discussion. Here you have NBC putting out a show in prime time that blatantly describes a struggle for Disclosure in the White House. Richard has insights into The Event that I hadn't ever thought of. I've always wanted you to be able to eavesdrop on one of our conversations -- and now you'll get the chance!

ANCIENT SCIENCE AND 2012
I like to focus on the pragmatic things -- so one of the focal points for me is going to be scientific disclosure -- how the ETs built the Pyramids, the science of stargate travel, explaining the Global Grid and natural dimensional portals, the deeper meaning of the 2012 prophecies, and more. Since I will have finished all the edits for The Source Field Investigations by then, all my latest, greatest new stuff will be very fresh in my mind -- so I come loaded with a great deal of hard evidence to back up these astonishing ideas. There will undoubtedly be some drama in the show as I want to have a discussion with Bill about his powerful and controversial new insider, who does not think anything will happen in 2012 -- but still has some very fascinating and unique perspectives. We can expect a lively debate where Hoagland and I share our views of what we think will happen in 2012, Kerry will add in her own valuable perspective, complete with her background of multiple insiders -- and Bill will likely want to play devil's advocate. The synthesis of ideas that comes out of this type of discussion is definitely worth the effort it takes to get there!

CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE
Kerry has already publicly stated she doesn't think China has our best interests in mind -- so China's October Surprise is going to be another intriguing discussion we will have.
The evidence is undeniable that a wide variety of bizarre equipment failures are happening all within a short time. The recent decrease of these failures out in the open suggests that at least part of the behind-the-scenes objective has been fulfilled. Others, including Duncan Roads of Nexus Magazine, have independently leaked their own insider testimony of this same situation -- and there were similarities and differences to what I heard. Some of the 'leaked' independent story seems like disinformation to me -- and it will definitely be interesting to hear everyone's take on what's going on and see how we find consensus on this issue. Whether China has our best interests in mind or not, this war between factions could create some very interesting results -- and this story updates so quickly that there will undoubtedly be new information about it by this Sunday. I will be bringing in the latest from Fulford and my own sources about what seems to be an ever-accelerating defeat for the Old World Order. We will discuss various scenarios of what will happen, how it will happen, and when.

HOAGLAND'S MATERIAL: EVIDENCE OF NASA LEAKING 'RITUAL SIGNS' OF 2012
Here's a statement I got from Hoagland about some of what he will be discussing: Hoagland will be presenting new Ritual Evidence of an official 'NASA ritual calendar' to its own version of 'disclosure' -- linking it simultaneously, symbolically, to '2012' ....He will discuss in-depth, in the three-hour teleconference, a half dozen of these repeating "ritual signs" present in current events--and, explain their interrelationship--leading to venturing an "educated guess" at ... "what comes next?" :) This is bound to be a fascinating area of discussion, as I have no idea what these six ritual signs are right now... but there's undoubtedly going to be some wild times in finding out! I'm sure the Masonic symbolism will come up at some point -- and all of us have fascinating insights as to this secretive organization and how blatant they are becoming in what they put out there. I want to ask Richard about the insider who told him Mars' moon Phobos was hollow on the inside and clearly is a space station. We had Buzz Aldrin, a NASA astronaut, openly leaking this story to the public and then meeting privately with Obama before a major space summit. Richard did tell me recently the person who was going to disclose this got intimidated -- unfortunately -- but it will be interesting to find out if this story still has 'legs', and what might come out of it.

EVERYONE HAS A CHANCE TO CALL IN AND SEE A VIDEO FEED
This is inherently an improvisational art form -- but we're going to take the time to really get into it and it should be quite fascinating. And the 2PM Pacific time slot allows Australians to get up early and Europeans to stay up late so everyone gets to enjoy the show! Since this is a tele-conference, you have a chance to call in and get your own questions answered as well! Providing all goes as expected, we're also hoping to have an area where you can see video feeds of each of us as you hear us talk. I can't guarantee this will look terrific, as we're all going to be using Skype and patching into a central hub, and the audio might not sync with the video -- but if nothing else it adds a new and exciting layer of possibility to the event! Richard picked the price of $39 -- of course because it's "19.5 times two!" Why not beat 'em at their own game, he asked? This conference will help all of us during a time we need it most -- and we sincerely appreciate your support.

Here's the writeup from Project Camelot about this event -- hope to see you there!
This 3 hour conference will be via password protected audio stream with a video component -- and call-in number for questions.
We will talk about Disclosure of all kinds, how disclosure is rolling out, the latest evidence and secret testimony we have received, and our take on where we are headed. Access information will be sent out approx. 1-2 hours before the event begins on December 19th.

SPEAKERS
* Richard Hoagland
* David Wilcock
* Bill Ryan
* Kerry Cassidy

CALL CHARGES
We regret that at this point we can't offer a toll free number or 800 number -- therefore you are likely to incur a long distance call charge unless you have a free long distance telephone plan, use a discounted plan of some kind, or have a Skype account (recommended). Also visit http://www.loiol.co.uk to find information on reduced rates for international calls. We are not responsible for long distance charges.

AFTER THE EVENT
Regrettably we are unable to provide the teleconference for a reduced rate after the day of the event. IMPORTANT: We need to pay the speakers. Please understand and help us make these teleconferences possible in the future by supporting our efforts! All profits go to support the work of the speakers and to pay our engineers (Tommy & Steve). We hope to see you there!

ACCESS YOUR HIGHER SELF IS ALSO MOVING INTO FINAL PRODUCTION STAGES!
As a personal note, I finished my taping of the professional version of "Access Your Higher Self" on Sunday -- with the cameraman who did Michael Moore's last two movies and the History Channel shoots for Ancient Aliens. Last night we deployed the source tapes into post-production -- so it's full-steam ahead! It took us a while to get everyone's schedules to line up, as our cameraman is constantly working -- and I've had my hands full with the Source Field Investigations rewrite as well. I do apologize for the delay from our original planned shoot time!
We used the same type of camera George Lucas used for Star Wars: The Phantom Menace. The result looks fantastic -- and I expanded and improved the material based upon your suggestions! There will actually be four videos, each of which hovers around an hour in length -- some less, some more. The finished version will have music, visuals and an incredible professional look! You can already watch what is online now when you order the playback-only version of the original online conference. In a way, this is where I first 'wrote' the presentation -- like a first draft.

REFINING AND EXPANDING THE ORIGINAL
I refined and expanded the presentation in four key areas for the professional version, despite how blown away everyone was by the original. First of all, I made new slides for the beginning section where I discuss the true nature of Mind as an energy field. I brought in even more evidence that this is how we actually think, and why that helps us contact our Higher Self -- we really just have to break the conditioning. The section on dreams now has several more slides where I go into additional details of what various symbols mean -- conferring even more value than the original! Then, in the section where I actually teach you how to do deep-trance psychic readings, just like I've done since 1996, I created a raft of new slides -- and broke the whole process down much more sequentially and systematically than in the original. There are also new exercises I give in the professional version that I had forgotten to mention in the original -- but were very helpful for me when I first got started. These techniques include what I call "Climbing the Ladder" and "Deep-Sea Fishing." I also made specific slides regarding shielding out negative influences. I also added another entirely new section of slides and discussion on how to have a business doing psychic readings for others. I went through my full list of 'intake questions' to ask your clients and map out their subconscious, and discussed important hazards you face in the work and how to minimize potential difficulties. This was based on some very minor critiques we had. All these issues have now been addressed -- and the finished product has been strongly enhanced by it!

LEAVING AN INHERITANCE
If the bad guys ever 'got' me, I now have left a complete inheritance to the world -- great music, great videos, a wonderful film script, an incredible book, remarkable weekend conferences and sacred tours, some great TV appearances, and a comprehensive tutorial on how to do what I do psychically -- much of which is completely proprietary information. I don't think the Man's gonna get me -- I certainly hope not -- but I realized that I've now left no stone unturned, and it's a great feeling. There is nothing left that can be suppressed. It's all been put out there now!
Full disclosure!

MIND-BLOWING INFORMATION
Our cameraman and his wife were so blown away by what I presented, and the fact that my delivery was literally flawless for four hours -- no "cut, let me say that again" -- that they said they want to be our first customers when it comes out! Anyone who orders Access Your Higher Self will get this new post-produced version as soon as we release it -- hopefully before the end of the year! You can download the original version right now, and will be notified of a new download area as soon as the professional version is available. Enjoy -- and thanks again for your holiday support and good wishes!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
So many of you have written in kind thoughts that I really appreciate it. No one wants to be shamed when they're trying to do a good job and get paid a responsible fee for it. I've had many people tell me I could have charged much more for a complete teaching on how to do psychic readings. As I say in the video, I have held nothing back. This is everything I know to teach you about how to do what I do. If you practice these techniques as I explain them to you, there is no reason why you shouldn't start getting results -- and accessing your Higher Self!

[Arpheus]

Fully understood! I'm not organizing this, so I don't know when the archive might be posted.

But here's a Christmas present... the recording of yesterday's interview with myself only. The event on Sunday promises to be four times as much fun (and left to its own devices might go on for many hours!)

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_BBS_radio_14_Dec_2010.mp3

Tks a lot bill !!

[Lee-B]

So basically, you're expecting people to pay $39 to have a Skype Chat for a few hours?
Sorry, but too much of this revolves around making money, be it from books, or conferences, or asking for donations.
We're living in times of austerity yet Kerry and the various other "speakers" do make a healthy living from this whole enterprise.
Maybe it's time to cut back on the theories and give evidence of solid truth on things to come, not just hearsay from "sources"

I'm no longer inspired by Camelot/Avalon like I ws 12 months ago.
The turning point for me was the massive hype and trailer for Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican, and then.....nothing.

[Ross]

So basically, you're expecting people to pay $39 to have a Skype Chat for a few hours?
Sorry, but too much of this revolves around making money, be it from books, or conferences, or asking for donations.
We're living in times of austerity yet Kerry and the various other "speakers" do make a healthy living from this whole enterprise.
Maybe it's time to cut back on the theories and give evidence of solid truth on things to come, not just hearsay from "sources"

I'm no longer inspired by Camelot/Avalon like I ws 12 months ago.
The turning point for me was the massive hype and trailer for Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican, and then.....nothing.

Hi Lee,


I understand your view in regards to 'sources' and yes we all want hard evidence...However one only has to do their own research to see the picture of this world, What we are told from mainsteam is mostly dis-info, what is the real truth? lets hope someday we will all be enlightened to that

Also do not think Kerry is making a 'healthy living' she is not, nor is Bill, infact they barely scrap by... If you doubt me ask Bill directly.

Ross

[BrianEn]

I didn't know about this until after I was broke. Otherwise I would've gotten a visa gift card and signed up. The way I see it I've gotten a lot of free stuff from Camelot and Avalon and wouldn't chipping in a few dollars for a conference without having to pay for a flight and hotel room.

[Ross]

Bang for your buck?

You get Bill and Kerry, RH and DW discussing disclosure and no doubt, other topics. You also get a password protected audio stream with a video component and call-in number for live questions. You can watch, listen and/or be interactive. I reckon its not a bad deal.

Ross

[Tommy]

Hi everyone,

Something I need to add for those who come on this conference after it has begun (or last minute)


IMPORTANT NOTE: If you purchase a ticket after the event has started please forward your PayPal receipt to tommy@projectcamelotportal.com
as fast as possible so we can grant you access to the event asap!
The event will also be recorded and made available 1-2 days after the live event has taken place.

LeeSW1: Believe me we are not getting fat from doing this kinda work.
And according to that logic we don't deserve to eat when doing hours upon hours of work 95% released for free for almost 5 years? (5 years counting Bill and Kerry)

Just saying

All the best,

Tommy

[smat]

Hi, I'm looking forward to it but not sure what time it is on in the UK. I think it would be useful to have a world time clock on this forum to make it easier to sign up for.
thanks bill, I really appreciate your time and I also believe that people taking part in these conferences deserve financial support. hopefully things will work out this way round and the less fortunate can access this information sometime in the near future. You, Kerry and all the other guests are doing a great job and I really appreciate you.

smat x

[Tommy]

Hi, I'm looking forward to it but not sure what time it is on in the UK. I think it would be useful to have a world time clock on this forum to make it easier to sign up for.
thanks bill, I really appreciate your time and I also believe that people taking part in these conferences deserve financial support. hopefully things will work out this way round and the less fortunate can access this information sometime in the near future. You, Kerry and all the other guests are doing a great job and I really appreciate you.

smat x

Here is a useful site that can help you out with time-zones:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

:)

[shybastid]

Sounds like a great opportunity to 4 interesting people at the same time..Would have been fun to see the Pre Show discussions getting prepared for the cameras.

Would it be rude to see the Show later,and after I see who contibuted the most valuable information,I'll just send them 40 bucks direct?:mod:

I'm kidding.

Good luck with the presentation. Sounds fun and interesting. 3 or 4 hours is a long time to commit to right now..Back to Back.

I've read and enjoyed all the peoples websites individually and collectivly,so should be pretty good. In my opinion.

Cheers

[smat]

I think I've sorted out what time it is on... it is 10pm GMT isn't it ?

[Beth]

I think I've sorted out what time it is on... it is 10pm GMT isn't it ?

For those in the UK, yes.

[norman]

I don't want this to sound like I'm criticising Bill, Kerry, David and Richard, but it probably will come across like that anyway.

I'll be surprised if anything comes out of this conference that I don't already know. Here in UK there is a term that's used for political insider chatter. It's called "Westminster Village". It referes to stuff that the general population isn't much interested in but that the Westminster set can't get enough of and tends to over estimate it's own validity to ordinary people. I understand that front line spokespeople need to continuously sharpen their minds and toungs so that they are always as sharp as possible to properly slice up the incoming ( or, perhaps, in this case, outcoming ) information.

I'm glad there are always enough people willing to fulfill the role of commercial sponsorship for these people without me having to worry too much about it personally. The toughest dilema for me regarding the finacial support of researchers and documentary makers and authors etc is that I believe it encourages a sort of industry zone around these issues that could very easily bury the facts in so much "padding" that they become as obscure as they were hidden in the past.

If a musical artist releases a new CD that has all the older tracks plus 1 or 2 new ones, is it worth paying for? The answer really depends on how much of a fan you are. Some people want everything they can 'collect'. That's fine with me, and if it keeps the 'artist' going, that's great. For me, personally, my funds are measured out in other ways.

I hope this conference goes very well in all aspects of it's creation.

There, I knew it would sound like a critisism but it's not really. I'm very content about it.

[Banshee]

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[Sentience]

"AFTER THE EVENT
Regrettably we are unable to provide the teleconference for a reduced rate after the day of the event."

why not?

Not even at a reduced rate?

The Camelot conferences were all put online free after the event.. whats so special about this one? screams of an ultimatum to me.

What is different to this then listening to Hoagland on C2C for 3 hours for free? oh yeah $39...

[jcocks]

If there is anything new of value to come out of the event, I hope it's released on the respective blogs and not kept for those who paid their 40 smackers.... IMHO, there is no point in witholding energies and info in the coming times - what you put out you will recieve back. Asking for a donation for the event would have been a better way to go... DEMANDING payment, well..... it makes the motivations of those who put the event on rather clear. IMHO it definitely sounds like that was Hoaglands' idea (Rather interesting I didn't see any advertising of the event on his website at all...).

At the least, it would have been nice for them to at least have a rate for those on reduced incomes...

[grannyfranny100]

I think it takes specials skills to keep something like this from turning into a verbal free for all. I'm not convinced that this will be educational even though the guests all have tremendous info to share.

Granny Franny

[ArtyCarl]

I am against charging for access to information full stop. I can afford to pay but there have been times in my life when it would have been impossible but my interest was just as great at those times and I genuinely feel for those who just cannot afford it.

In saying that I must also add that I have the utmost respect for Bill and totally accept his viewpoint and the way he expressed it just reinforces my opinion that he is very much 'one of the good guys'.

I feel that when Bill and Kerry went their separate ways that Kerry went 'commercial' and that suddenly everything on Camelot had a price attached to it, or at least that is how it felt to me. This does not necessarily mean that the information on Camelot was in any way of a greater or lesser value than that found elsewhere. Just a different way of creating enough money to continue to do what they do best. If it ever got out of hand and I felt that we had to pay for any interesting information then much of the great work these two have done for us would be wasted.

But after giving it a lot of thought I feel happy that I am not missing out on any earth-shattering news. I am sure it would be an interesting debate but I just do not feel that Bill would leave everyone else 'out of the loop' if something really important came up.

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

There were terrible technical problems in the teleconference (which some of you will already know). To compensate, we continued for over 5 hours.

The audio will be edited - which will take a lot of work! - and the resulting condensed and now-fluent presentation I think will make pretty good listening.

Yes, all the material presented will be on the respective blogs and websites. The added value, I think, was in hearing the various juxtapositions of views and opinions from the four speakers, all in the same 'virtual room'.

In a 'real-world conference' - with a panel of speakers on a physical stage - hearing four experienced speakers, all fairly well-informed researchers, exchange views for over three hours (maybe as much as four hours, even with technical issues edited out) would have been well worth a lot more than $39 if this had happened right down the road from where you live.

I remain committed to presenting important information free of charge. There are clearly blurred lines here, though: Is it okay for someone to write a book? Sell a DVD? Charge subscription fees as on Jeff Rense and Coast to Coast? Ask for an entrance fee to a real-world conference? I don't ask these questions lightly.

My thanks to all who participated - for your energy, support, patience, and kindness.

[Celine]

I often struggle with the idea that i "make money from flowers"

i love my flowers intensly, they are part of who i am. I know they bring joy and light to others, but i cant give them away for free all the time.

The rose is the queen,... i try to keep her price very low...but the stuff that comes with it.. the greenery, the accent flowers the wrapping etc.. that i charge appropeiatly for.

The truth is like a flower... in and of itself it is free. The presentation of the truth is not. Whether it costs money, time or effort there is a cost...

I support the idea of sharing truth for free, but the presentation isnt. (book, video, speech etc)

[Luke]

I (...)
I support the idea of sharing truth for free, but the presentation isnt. (book, video, speech etc)
Money is just proxy for energy.
Energy can be exchanged in many other ways than it, and we do it all the time. Smile is also an energy :)
What we call money is just a widely recognizable form of it ..

Exchanging energy is important.. without it, we would really cease to exist.
Problem is this sacred (to an extent) process has been into an unabridged gluttonous feast ... or show of frivolity. . to a point people cease to see energy behind, just a colourful tokens that used to just represent it .. And in ah-so typical act, they confuse a map with real territory .. with the help of map-peddlers, that exchange their counterfeited copies for real energy ... When one see it like that, is some of the stuff making more sense?

Free means available, and on this , I think, we can agree that participants excel. As for energy invested, it has been sunk in .. in which form it will be replenished, so they would continue, it is up to us :) .. in some ways, throwing tokens on that problem is easy part :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Bill,

I write this post to let you know that the voice of the supporters is at least just as loud. :) I personally feel I got the value out of this conference exactly as you have said, because all the guests have had the chance to present their views and angles on the problems discussed. I also appreciate the effort involved in putting this together despite the technical difficulties and the different time zones. It is tough to be the guest, the host, the tech guy, the backup guy, the phone guy at the same time. And lots of appreciations goes to Kerry also for organizing this.

[Ixopoborn]

I often struggle with the idea that i "make money from flowers"

i love my flowers intensly, they are part of who i am. I know they bring joy and light to others, but i cant give them away for free all the time.

The rose is the queen,... i try to keep her price very low...but the stuff that comes with it.. the greenery, the accent flowers the wrapping etc.. that i charge appropeiatly for.

The truth is like a flower... in and of itself it is free. The presentation of the truth is not. Whether it costs money, time or effort there is a cost...

I support the idea of sharing truth for free, but the presentation isnt. (book, video, speech etc)

What a great bit of writing Celine! How well you have resolved the inherent conflict that exists between pure truth and being paid for something.

I was fearing we might get a flare up of opinions on money making in the alternative media.

In general, money making calls into question the motives of the party making money in any transaction. If someone makes a gift of information, that information is much less tainted with doubt over the motives behind the gift. Bill and Kerry understood this when they began working together.

Now, however, things are different. Kerry needs some money to carry on and Bill would be able to better work if he received some additional funding. For myself, I trust them enough to have no problem with paying them something from time to time.

Many Avalonians can't afford to pay to remain involved and they should not be shut out or made to feel that they are inferior because they can't.

Bill is sensitive enough to know how to make sure that those who can't pay continue to be served.

My vote is a "yes" to some charge being applied selectively in future. I sense that we are now entering a more active phase in this war for ownership of the truth. Those who can pay should pay something. Those who can speak should vocalise something. Those with mobility should move themselves to engage in the cause of truth.

Bill, please understand that we will accept charges from time to time.

[norman]

This comment doesn't really belong here but I don't know where else to put it.

During the Barcelona conference in 09 I noticed one of the group make a little speech about recognition of 'these' people later on after disclosure. His name escapes me right now but he's quite well known and probably has the most 'political' voice in the whole of the disclosure movement.

I think he and possibly one or two other people I've come across in this field are effectively jockeying for position in the post disclosure era. If a full and frank disclosure comes ( don't hold your breath ) there will be a shift in the who's who of statesmanship. It sort of reminds me of when the iron curtain came down and how the who's who of Russian politics changed. The new big names were always there and always nagging away at the system but it took the "Perestroika"( restructuring ) of "Glasnost" ( openness ) to bring them out into the daylight.

It's worth thinking about what the PTB would do to prepare for such a Glasnost regarding 'disclosure'. I'm certain they would bring along a few of their own people and position them well for the new paradigm. I don't know who Steven Greer really is but these days he seems to act like he could be one of those.

I hope very much that disclosure doesn't also go the way of Russia regarding the rise of mafia-like power brokers who seem to me to be reconstituted Soviet bureaucratic fantasists on steroids.

[Elandiel BernElve]

Unfortunately I missed it!... Hopefully there will be a way to review it later? I don't care paying for once to support you guys.

[Bill Ryan]

Unfortunately I missed it!... Hopefully there will be a way to review it later? I don't care paying for once to support you guys.

I believe (but am not 100% sure) that you can still sign up and receive the edited audio. That should run for close to 4 hours, and when all the connection bugs (switching from one speaker to the next) are edited out, the conversation should be very interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing it myself! :)

Basically, it was a round table discussion that covered all kinds of ground - everything you could imagine - and you might get an idea of the topics touched on from knowing something about Kerry, myself, David and Richard and the things we're all interested in and have some knowledge about.

As I mentioned earlier, there was nothing startlingly new. I did talk a little about the false flag ET threat... which I will certainly say more about here, soon. I think it was basically intelligent and wide-ranging commentary. The real value was the conversation and the interaction. The proportion of time on air of each of the speakers were (in order)




David
Richard
me
Kerry.

If you or anyone reading this has any questions about whether you can still sign up, please e-mail tommy@projectcamelot.org or PM him here as Avalon member seeingterra. I'm not party myself to any of the arrangements, logistics or finances.

All best wishes, Bill

[THIRDEYE]

bill i understand why monetary issues are of importance,most poeple on the informtiom ground crew like you say do not have 9-5 jobs i just cant imagine what the productions costs for an and all events cost i sincerely think all hands involved on the information front that is credible including your self are entitiled to monetary compensation!!!!love lightand abundance''''thirdeye...

[str8thinker]

(Bill) I believe (but am not 100% sure) that you can still sign up and receive the edited audio.

I could not spare the 5 hours to listen and participate, but do not mind paying a reasonable price for an edited audio, considering the work you guys put into this. Please Bill, when you know for sure that the audio is available, what it will cost and where to send the money, post here and I will take it from there.

[lightblue]

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i only really appreciate bill's insights..i think hoagland is alright but on different issues (moon and similar); kerry, who's discerning talents were mightily damaged by her approving of heather material and by taking aaron mccullam seriously, also remains off my interest zone; same goes for david wilcock - he's is more of a showman in my estimation - i think he gives his dreams too much importance/credibility... :yu: l


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[3optic]

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i only really appreciate bill's insights..i think hoagland is alright but on different issues (moon and similar); kerry, who's discerning talents were mightily damaged by her approving of heather material and by taking aaron mccullam seriously, also remains off my interest zone; same goes for david wilcock - he's is more of a showman in my estimation - i think he gives his dreams too much importance/credibility... :yu: l


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I have to weigh in on the McCullom interview. It's really unclear what Kerry was buying in that interview and that's as it should be. I found it interesting and not entirely credible but that's how this game is played. Gather information, sift through it, see what sticks. It was pretty clear to me that at the very least he was an unusual young man (dolphin).

[Sentience]

"Note: the conference will be available for purchase after the event for an unlimited time however, the price will not be reduced. "

So now we have gone from it won't be available at all (sign up or miss out ultimatum) to squeezing out the last drop of monitisation possible. Not reducing the price is going to put off alot of people, and again bring into question the motives for the whole event. Whilst reducing it would not only bring the event to more people but it would naturally improve the bottom line.

I have nothing against people making money, I have Hoaglands book Dark Mission it represents physical value in something tangable , I have Wilcocks Science of Peace CD's, I have many David Icke books and a hatful of Alex Jones & Freeman DVD's.

People will pay when the value is there, In this case $39 for a skype chat where if in effect you were present and able to ask questions is great but to charge a conference entry fee for a recording is not value for money. Which is why i also refuse to buy David's latest offering on his site as his $79 recording has not been reduced. Easy to see who is pulling the pursestrings in these things.

Give me value and I'll support you. Always.

[lightblue]

bill:
you or anyone reading this has any questions about whether you can still sign up, please e-mail tommy@projectcamelot.org or PM him here as Avalon member seeingterra. I'm not party myself to any of the arrangements, logistics or finances.

All best wishes, Bill

sentience:
People will pay when the value is there, In this case $39 for a skype chat where if in effect you were present and able to ask questions is great but to charge a conference entry fee for a recording is not value for money. Which is why i also refuse to buy David's latest offering on his site as his $79 recording has not been reduced. Easy to see who is pulling the pursestrings in these things.

Give me value and I'll support you. Always


sentience, i don't think you should get worked up ..the fact the fee isn't reduced, means the conference didn't sell well in the first round..

also, i trust bill's integrity - if something of immense importance was spoken of, bill would not hold it back...he'd let the world know...the participation fee must have been wilcock's business move, i think.. :yu: l

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[Scott]

I think this allot of this comes from where your head is at when it comes to these things and I'm not sure there is a right or wrong position really.
Nature does not deal in Good & Evil it deals in Balance and Imbalance.
Because of the geographical location I grew up in and the generation I was apart of as well as the interests I had, it formed certain opinions that are "First response opinions" that require no deep thought (although they should), its just where your head is at :)

During the growth of the internet, which I had a big interest in, the group mind I participated in was the Free Code , free thinking and the "I'll be damned if I ever pay for a program" hive mind thinking.

I will admit it still colors how I do things now, I refused to do the Cut show into 2 parts give 1st part free and charge for second part thing on Spectrum. I even changed the Donate button to say "Tip Jar" , If you like it leave a tip if not that's cool to , I don't work for tips, I selfishly do it to talk to cool people with great information and your just along for the ride :p

So to pay or not to pay, do whatever you want and I will follow my life long programing, personally I don't pay, not for Radio, not for conferences and certainly not for a Dinner with anyone no matter how stimulating their conversation.

its just how I am wired, balance or Imbalance.

[SPIRIT WOLF]

You all know my take on money for data, which is really what it all boils down to. Once on the conf circuit, getting paid, these individuals will always expect payment for any conf they are invited to, and its usually the same names over and over again. Whether morally right or wrong I still feel its not right. Makes some of them think they are 'stars' in a way

[FrankoL]

IMO this is senseless discussion whether or not information should be free of charge. Unfortunately nothing is for free; including information (never has been so). In this respect I support guys (Bill, Kerry, David and Richard …) to decide if something should be compensated. So far Camelot shared material was at no cost, frankly speaking, it was their decision/strategy to do so. But it doesn’t mean that everything is supposed to be a-priori gratis. Don’t you think that it is simply right they get something back from it?

We all work, but no one for free. Welcome back to cruel reality. Begging helps no one.

[ArtyCarl]

I think a lot of this comes down to personal preference. You would not pay to go to a concert to see someone you do not like, neither would you buy a book on a subject you have no interest in.

For me personally I would not pay to listen to Richard Hoagland or David Wilcock, that is my own preference. There are others, however, that I would gladly pay to hear and when it comes to Bill, he has proved himself time and time again that he is not an attention seeker or money grabber and I would happily support him.

There is a danger that as these alternative views gain a greater and greater audience that some will seek to exploit this growing, hungry-for-information, 'movement'. This is what I fear most, that the information will get further diluted as stories are expanded upon for our consumption.

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

I think paying to listen to people to not say anything particulary new has probably run its' course, even on the internet. In the good old days, when Bill Cooper was still alive, live conferences were set up and they were well attended, then the information was still fresh and new, with films like Close Encounters and Star Wars to whet peoples appetite. These days, it seems that the researchers are trying to find different ways to present the same information.

Dr. Carol Rosin stated years ago that the governments would try and stage a false flag alien invasion. This was told to her by Vernon Von Braun in 1974. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbsWvaNBPKI

To suggest that this is something new is naive at the best, unless one is informing a new generation, but also declaring the source, the earliest source (that I know) in the more or less mainstream media being at the Disclosure Conference at the National Press Club organized by Steven Greer in 2001.

Since then, of course as time passed, we can find a whole leque os reports and people who are bringing us the same information, http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=False+Flag+Alien+Invasion&aq=f perhaps with a slight twist or turn that could be different, but basically the same thing. I use this subject, of course, just to show that the information when it was new grabbed the public at that time, the information was left to die slightly and then it has been brought back into the spotlight by people like Nick Pope and others.

The thing is people, the more we know, the more our tolerance to this type of info becomes and so it needs to be shown in a different way. In a nutshell, I say this to ArtyCarl, the dilluted information is already out there, now it's just a case of decide which flavour you choose to drink it all in.

Best regards,

Steve

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Wilcock, Hoagland, et all, they believe they are 'celebrities' in a way and so deserve payment for speaking to us all, whereas the small fry like myself did so for nothing, I believed in informing the people, maybe only 100 or 150 people at a time but the message has to start somewhere.

[Agape]

From my little but own experience I can but confirm that getting out any new information and some of you may know what I speak about here,
even through people who consider themselves liberal and uncorrupted and alternative and open minded media
is as difficult like trying to pass plane through a building.

Somehow, all these folks concerned had already built 'their own' information net where new one is accepted when it fits to free spaces they expect to be filled,
not otherwise.

It's again hierarchies, conspiracies and clubs. Not so about money this time but lets say, from my life long experience in monasteries,

when there's no money, pride and egos become important, uniqueness and prestige is guarded more carefully than anywhere else.


It might feel necessary to these people to hold their posts 'to combat' the system. It's about ;having history, name and good PR.

Not everyone wishes to agree to such rules ...


But, we seem not to be able to do without.



:hand:

[Spellbound]

I have no issues paying to attend a conference in person (I would have paid into the hundreds to have attended last years LA conference). However, as I recall, all of last years conferences (LA, Barcelona, Equador) were posted online for free shortly thereafter. If it is to be assumed that the recent tele-conference (which in my opinion is no different than any interview posted in the Camelot librairy) will not be posted and available for download (for free)...then something has changed and I think that is a shame. I have a deep appreciation and respect for Bill and his grass-roots approach to getting the truth out there and I certainly hope he continues in the same manner (I'm sure he will). As Bill has stated, the money thing wasn't his idea.

The purest form of truth should be free. The moment money is involved it becomes tainted.

[onawah]

I have no issues paying to attend a conference in person (I would have paid into the hundreds to have attended last years LA conference). However, as I recall, all of last years conferences (LA, Barcelona, Equador) were posted online for free shortly thereafter. If it is to be assumed that the recent tele-conference (which in my opinion is no different than any interview posted in the Camelot librairy) will not be posted and available for download (for free)...then something has changed and I think that is a shame. I have a deep appreciation and respect for Bill and his grass-roots approach to getting the truth out there and I certainly hope he continues in the same manner (I'm sure he will). As Bill has stated, the money thing wasn't his idea.

The purest form of truth should be free. The moment money is involved it becomes tainted.

Well said! Speaking as a dedicated seeker of truth who must by necessity live on a fixed income, I am always very grateful when people like me are taken into consideration. If the information is important, it doesn't matter so much to me if I receive it after the actual event takes place, just so long as it's made available for free. If an event is just rehashing of old info and/or basically for entertainment, then no matter. But it's imperative that the truth not be reserved just for those who can afford to pay for it. There is too much at stake for those kinds of games to be played out in the alternative community.

[ArtyCarl]

Camelot had an earlier 'Secret Space' teleconference which I believe started at around $70 a ticket and was reduced some time afterwards to around $35 (someone correct me if this is wrong) and is still $10 today so I would be most surprised if this more recent teleconference was made available for free.

You can argue about the relative value of the information all day long but to me this is an extraordinary amount of money for what is essentially a conference call.

Many of the people speaking at these and other conferences have websites with books to sell and I myself have bought probably a dozen books this year with many being a direct result of interviews at Camelot/Avalon so I feel in that respect that I am doing my bit to support them.

I do not begrudge these people making a profit as long as those who wish to pay to support are allowed to but more importantly those who cannot are not excluded. This is very wrong in my personal opinion and I feel strongly about it.

[lisa]

For those who miss the teleconference, you did not miss a thing.
Heh, though I am not 100% sure since I fell asleep listening.
There were 300+ people online and I wish I had just Paypal'ed Bill directly...
As you all say, the good info are freely and abundantly available on Project Camelot and elsewhere.

Happy Holidays!

[kevlor]

fate dictated i was unable to tune into the info. and lisa, you confirmed for me that i probably am not missing out on any NEW information.

i recently donated to kerry from my small weekly pension. i am now feeling embarrased that i have not done the same, for some time, to bill.

the enlightnment and peace of mind these two have given me over the last few years, is beyond my financial capacity to pay. i do know however that they continue to give of themselves, unreserveably.

so rather than attempt to get a four to five hour download onto my limited computor, i will simply donate the 40$ to bill (to ease my conscience) and express my thanks for all they do for us, as, yes lisa, i know i will continue to be kept in the picture, by following project camelot and avalon ... kev

[Daft Ada]

Bill I thank you for your post of your radio interview I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it, With regard to the paying for the conference issue I have to say I am in two minds. I agree that people who are working in this research full time have to be able to earn a living, but I do not agree with paying to hear a group of people talking about the same old same old over and over again. I would think that once people start to make money out of this there is a danger of showmanship spoiling the truth, we constantly hear from Mr Hoagland how the most amazing mind blowing information is about to be released and the most fantastic thing is just around the corner, just wait until the next DVD is available for purchase. Quite frankly I would never and have never bought one of his DVDs because it has been seen over and over again that he talks the talk but never walks the walk.
New roomers are started in this field every day to give the errrr... celebrities something to talk about in their radio interviews and on their websites, it seems to me that once money is involved there will be more and more conferences talking about what? the latest roomer? the latest hoax? just to sell the tickets. I am fairly sure that if anything concrete actually ever happens it will be all over the Internet within minutes without having to pay to listen to people saying what MIGHT happen. I am not in a position to pay to listen to these conferences, I have Cancer and I can't work and I am spending most of my time on here reading about aliens and what's going on, but all the doors are closing in my face as everyone decides that now we the people have made them well known or a little famous, they can start charging for their information.

[Snowbird]

Last night I paid for and tapped into the DC. I was somewhat surprised that the pathway into the DC of 12/19/2010 was so convoluted. However, once I learned what I was suppose to do to get in, I realized that it really worked well.

I listened to the entire conference right down to the wire. I learned many new things and the one thing that really stood out to me was when DW talked about the computer virus (a name that I cannot pronounce and certainly don't know how to spell) that is astonishingly working to our benefit. If anyone knows the name of it and is willing to respond, I would appreciate it. I would love to do some research on it.

I just want to add that we are not yet to a place in this life where we can freely offer everything without charge. I do believe that this will happen one day into the future, but we all/each currently must take in money to pay for our livelihoods. I didn't think that $39.00 was at all excessive. I gladly paid it.

[Tea]

I learned many new things and the one thing that really stood out to me was when DW talked about the computer virus (a name that I cannot pronounce and certainly don't know how to spell) that is astonishingly working to our benefit. If anyone knows the name of it and is willing to respond, I would appreciate it. I would love to do some research on it.

I'm guessing he was probably talking about the Stuxnet Virus.

[Snowbird]

I'm guessing he was probably talking about the Stuxnet Virus.

That sounds like it. Thanks much Tea for responding! :thumb:

[Spellbound]

I find it interesting that Kerry continues to peddle the tele-conference purchase (on the Camelot portal as well as during her radio program last week) whereas Bill has moved on with his new video posted online for free. Speaks volumes in my opinion.

[ndroock1]

Speaks volumes in my opinion.

Exactly: Paradoxically the credibility she has ( left ) came from her cooperation with Bill. Like a parasite she exploits and manipulates the people around her.

[Bill Ryan]

Exactly: Paradoxically the credibility she has ( left ) came from her cooperation with Bill. Like a parasite she exploits and manipulates the people around her.

Ouch! That's not fair, and not accurate.

Kerry is trying to make a (very meager) living. For the last year or more, she has never known how she's going to pay her next month's rent.

It's okay to try to sell products. That's not my style - as you know (I would always rather take my chance with donations, and this has worked for me to date) - but it's also okay to make commercial decisions. Many other people do that, whether they sell you a bottle of beer, a book, a DVD, or a conference ticket.

This is not a crime. And it's not being a 'parasite' to sell someone a cup of coffee and a sandwich when they need a snack, if it's a reasonable market price.

[GoldenYears]

I personally dont see a problem with charging for in person conferences, books, dvds and like....but when people (especially David Wilcock) tell folks that they have NEW inside information that will only be available if you slap down your money...sorry, that's just wrong. You see it all the time....I could list quite a few well-known people in the alternate genre that do this. "We have all the secrets, and it could possibly save your life...it will only cost you a big wad of hard-earned cash...and then you too can be in the know!".

[Bill Ryan]

I personally dont see a problem with charging for in person conferences, books, dvds and like....but when people (especially David Wilcock) tell folks that they have NEW inside information that will only be available if you slap down your money...sorry, that's just wrong. You see it all the time....I could list quite a few well-known people in the alternate genre that do this. "We have all the secrets, and it could possibly save your life...it will only cost you a big wad of hard-earned cash...and then you too can be in the know!".

And I do agree with that. Lindsey Williams always does that too - he makes me laugh. :) Every time he goes on Rense or Alex Jones, it's a sales pitch.

I don't think this kind of information belongs to anyone. It's the heritage of the human race, and we are all messengers. I think we all have a duty to "pay it forwards".

But a conference, where there's added value by enabling people to listen to an interesting, entertaining and potentially educative conversation (which is in part what all conferences are) - in my view has to be fine to charge for. If people don't want to pay, or can't afford to, the core information is all available elsewhere.

[Banshee]

Speaking of which Bill, I have wanted dto ask for a whiile now, but didn't feel it was polite, but here goes ( don't hate me?)

You have stated that you had a very well paying, well connected position in the corporate world. I have seen your videos and it appears that your abduction changed the game, but what exactly compelled you to give up the "good life" so to speak, to do this? I am not trying to sound sarcastic, this is an honest question. Thanks!

[pwn_thyself]

Bill,

This kind of responsiveness is just one of the things i like so much about you. as disappointed as i was that i can't afford the conference (39 USD is about 2 weeks worth of groceries and market food here in Thailand) Thanks for continuing your style, and for your work.

Everyone has some sort of agenda, it seems to be the byproduct of having any kind of ego (which we all have) and i hear it in your voice, Kerry's interview style, Hoagland, Greer, et al. (Sepia's questions were not as helpful to me as your answers for example)

keep trucking, let us know if you need a southeast asian location for your truth and reconciliation committees :-)

[steven69]

I listened to the entire conference and felt that it was worth every cent/penny to have access to live presenters so that I could listen to the ideas and information (old and new) and see what resonated with me.

I consider a charge to cover costs not only for the actual conference but any residual put towards ongoing research as perfectly acceptable. I recoginise that individual researchers still need to pay rent for a roof over their heads and eat and quite frankly I consider that fretting about whether one conference is "better value for money" detracts us from what should be our common goal in helping disclosure the truth.

Quality presentations (the subject matter and not just the manner in which it is delivered) will always win over any cheap and tacky attempts to seduce people with slick marketing promising new "tit bits". One thing we should consider is that by demanding "new" or "exclusive" information each and everytime we listen to someone we fall into the trap of creating a corrupted consumerist driven alternative media market place. A "sales pitch" (however subtle) will always sound like a "sales pitch" and people should be able to recognise as such and it will do more damage to that presenter reputation than good.

A vast quantity of quality material is actually available for free and people can then decide for themselves whether they wish to donate to retrospectively assist with those production costs and then use their descretion to purchase future events/material.

People need to trust their instincts when looking to purchase conferences and books etc. and reflect on what resonates with them as an individual. Quality discussions between presenters and phone-in callers on even "old" information quite often draws out fresh perceptions and sometimes allows a few more dots to be joined.

Quite simply people have free will and if they feel "shortchanged" in any way they can choose not to repeat the experience. We should focus on the positive and trust that charlatans will eventually be flushed out one way or another and the people true of heart will be given the support they richly deserve to help each and everyone of us.

With all that said I will be watching a freebie Camelot/Avalon production from their library tonight! Love to all, Steven

[Bill Ryan]

Speaking of which Bill, I have wanted to ask for a while now, but didn't feel it was polite, but here goes ( don't hate me?)

You have stated that you had a very well paying, well connected position in the corporate world. I have seen your videos and it appears that your abduction changed the game, but what exactly compelled you to give up the "good life" so to speak, to do this? I am not trying to sound sarcastic, this is an honest question. Thanks!

I gave up my consultancy work in 2006, soon after founding Camelot with Kerry - simply so that I could work full-time on it. Not having a family or any real estate (no mortgage payments or other expenses) made it easy to travel light. I never looked back.

[Arrowwind]

Ok, I will also take liberty at this time to ask a pointed question.

All the work you have done at Camelot has been given freely.
All the interviews etc.
I see no adds on your pages.
Perhaps there are books but I have not noticed.
Icke sells books, does lectures, etc
What do you do?

How do you make a living?
It may be obvious and I am just not seeing it.


I apologize if this seems rude, but I have always felt that such secrets on how people make their money were just more secrets.
Of course you do not have to answer.

[Bill Ryan]

Ok, I will also take liberty at this time to ask a pointed question.

All the work you have done at Camelot has been given freely.
All the interviews etc.
I see no adds on your pages.
Perhaps there are books but I have not notices.
Icke sells books, does lectures, etc
What do you do?

How do you make a living?
It may be obvious and I am just not seeing it.


I apologize if this seems rude, but I have always felt that such secrets on how people make their money were just more secrets.
Of course you do not have to answer.

Donations: it's not a secret, and never has been! Every website page on the original Camelot site has a PayPal button, and now all the Avalon videos have a little announcement at the end saying:

If this video was of value to you, please consider making a donation via PayPal on our site.

Then (next slide): Thank you...! Your generosity makes it possible for us to continue our work.

Not having a family (or a mortgage) makes this viable. My expenses are pretty low, and a very generous sponsor assisted with some of the travel and projects that I was engaged in last year (2010). It all just about works out. No-one's getting rich, but we can pay the rent and maintain the website expenses.

[Banshee]

I gave up my consultancy work in 2006, soon after founding Camelot with Kerry - simply so that I could work full-time on it. Not having a family or any real estate (no mortgage payments or other expenses) made it easy to travel light. I never looked back.

Thank you for your response, but I was looking for something deeper.... not the " what", but the "why". One can't go from selling the corporate agenda ( which is what a conflict resolution specialist does - he works for "the man"), to being a leader of the awakened overnight. What were your thought processes? How did your thinking evolve and change?

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you for your response, but I was looking for something deeper.... not the " what", but the "why". One can't go from selling the corporate agenda ( which is what a conflict resolution specialist does - he works for "the man"), to being a leader of the awakened overnight. What were your thought processes? How did your thinking evolve and change?

What makes you think I was 'selling the corporate agenda'?

For 25 years it was a way of working directly, intimately and intensively with human beings to transform their lives. I always worked for myself, and was always a consultant coming in to address particular problems or situations with individuals and teams.

I didn't care at all, ever, about the value of the company's stock. I did care when someone on one of my programs became a better father, daughter, husband, neighbor, or world citizen. Sometimes people would go back to work after a week on one of my programs and quit. I was working with people - not corporations.

The way the client corporations benefited was that if someone was a better person - they would also be a better manager, supervisor, problem solver, innovator, administrator, or team mate.

The answer always lies within. With everybody.

This has always been a thread through my life - ever since I was a child. Nothing ever changed. The game just got much larger when I started communicating on a global basis rather than to groups of 10 at a time.

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This is an important post - for me personally. Many thanks for asking the question. Because it seems like a long time ago, nowadays I never think or talk about that long phase of my life.

I was always a radical. But I can see how an assumption can be made about my corporate affiliations. I assure you: there were none. :)

Like everything else I've ever done - including some very serious mountaineering, and a ton of personal and spiritual development - it all helped prepare me for what I find myself doing now.

[Banshee]

What makes you think I was 'selling the corporate agenda'?

For 25 years it was a way of working directly, intimately and intensively with human beings to transform their lives. I always worked for myself, and was always a consultant coming in to address particular problems or situations with individuals and teams.

I didn't care at all, ever, about the value of the company's stock. I did care when someone on one of my programs became a better father, daughter, husband, neighbor, or world citizen. Sometimes people would go back to work after a week on one of my programs and quit. I was working with people - not corporations.

The way everyone benefited was that if someone was not happy or suited to their job, it'd accelerate the natural process and then that person would leave. The more enlightened companies recognized that that was a good thing. (For less enlightened clients, I had to explain carefully!)

And if someone was a better person - they would also be a better manager, supervisor, problem solver, innovator, administrator, or team mate.

This has always been a thread through my life - ever since I was a child. Nothing ever changed. The game just got much larger when I started communicating on a global basis rather than to grops of 10 at a time.

Sorry if I touched a nerve, but that was a very good and genuine response. I couldn't help but ask the question.... and your answer was cathartic for everyone. Thank you.

[Spellbound]

Hello Bill,

I only discovered Camelot 18 months ago and have watched every single video I could get my hands on (for free) since then. My only question therefore is...why were all the Camelot videos (and subsequent Avalon videos) posted for free....yet the there was a charge for the teleconference?? I understand that "charging for it" was not your idea...and I even get the impression that you were likely personally against charging for it. It just seems to me that someone (not you) wanted to make money from it....which when comparing to the other Camelot / Avalon videos posted for free...seems to be a bit tainted. As I stated in one of my previous posts in this thread...I can fully understand charging an admission price to attend a conference in person (LA, Barcelona, Ecuador, etc)....but even those were posted for free afterwards. To charge for a teleconference (and to maintain a charge even after the fact)...goes against what Camelot / Avalon stood for (in my opinion anyways).

Not meaning for any of my comments to be offensive (quite the opposite). I have a VERY deep appreciation for what you bring to us.

Peace...

[Tangri]

Hi Bill,
2 years ago , I heard the name of Scientology, I interested in the subject and did contact with them.
First e-mail shocked me with it's content . I thought, I was in the amazon web page. then I lost all of my interest.
Around same time, I met with project Camelot.
My first inspiration about your journey partner was an eager enterpriser.
Later, I observed a child with enthusiastic mood at the double interviewers with one guest videos.
I know money is the issue at the life circus.
I need to work to support my family even though, I do not want to be a slave.
If money comes to obstruct to learning new ideas then where is the border line between awakening movement and elites?

[HaveBlue]

Give up the 'good life'? (snort) Bill is now living the good life. He quit his 'job' (although working for yourself is a lifestyle not a 'job' exactly but you find you work alot harder when you are out on your own.

If anybody thinks Bill has somehow 'given up' anything kinda misses the point. He has freed himself. He is obviously guided by his inner self, not the dollar that most people chase everyday thinking they are getting ahead.
Bill loves what he is doing. It is obvious when you watch and listen to him. And he is inspiring one heck of alot of people as he does it too.

[Star Gazer]

Bill is an inspiration and a model for all of us caught up in the "rat race".

[frangapanni]

I want to say something but I can't find the right words ! I for one don't like to see people who have helped me gain an emense amount of knowledge about this world as well as advance my spirituality in leaps and bounds, to have to ask for money for what they do. They have taught me more about the world in the last 6 months, than all my years at school and family upbringing put together. They have never meet me. They don't know me at all and still they were happy to share it all with me for free. Um! Now I am trying to think of the last time someone gave something to me for free, totally free with no strings attached................. Still thinking...............still thinking.............. I'm 52 now so surely someone somewhere gave me something for free? I'll have to get back to you on that one cause everytime I remember something it comes with strings attached. The point I am trying to make is that, Bill, Kerry, and some of the others have given us their time and energy freely and we have glady accepted it. Sometimes a thank you is just not enough. To the ones that have their wallets glued shut with alridite. When was the last time you did something for someone for free without them knowing it was you? Maybe it's time we all took a leaft out of their books so to speak and do the same. To me it is a no branier. Show them that you appreciate them in a way that counts.