The Disillusionment of Americans

[ThePythonicCow]

As I was reading an article on some problems with the Hillary Clinton campaign for the Presidency of the US (What’s Wrong With Her? Hillary has No Campaign Rallies Scheduled on her Calendar (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/hillary-has-no-campaign-rallies-scheduled-on-her-calendar-whats-wrong/)), an idea formed, once again, in my mind as to what's going on here, in the good 'ol U.S. of A.

We are witnessing the latter stages of a multi-decade effort to destroy the confidence of the American people in their government.

[the defeat of Bernie Sanders] Many of the young, such as my son, who supported Bernie Sanders in his recent Democrat Party primary contest against Hillary Clinton, are well aware that Hillary out right stole that nomination from Bernie through election fraud.

Many of the older, more conservative, constitution respecting Americans, such as myself, were well aware by the end of the 1990's that Bill Clinton (US President from 1993 to 2001) was a lying, thieving, corrupt, raping, murdering, drug running, bastard.

[George W. Bush] Many of the older, more liberal minded, socially caring Americans, such as my good ex-wife, were well aware by 2008 that comparing the intelligence of George W. Bush (US President from 2001 to 2009) to that of a monkey was an insult to the monkey.

[Obama] Many lower income blacks and other socially aware democrats, who looked for Obama (US President from 2009 to 2017) to bring "Change We Can Believe In", are becoming deeply disillusioned in Obama, who seems to be an empty suit with two skills: reading a teleprompter and playing golf, while the poverty and violence escalates.

[the defeat of Trump] Now it seems possible that we're setting up to see a far more popular Trump, based on the support visible at his rallies and such, lose the election to Hillary, due to blatant fraud in the pre-election polls, in the main stream media, and in the actual election itself. The negatives for Hillary (her health, her murders, the fraud of the Clinton Foundation, her lies, her treasons, her fomenting of wars, her nearly empty and now non-existent campaign rallies, ...) are piling up. If she wins this election, with negatives far in excess of Trump's, and with popular support (outside of the lying pre-election polls and main stream media) far less, then many will be certain this was fraud on a massive scale.

[Others] Others are being hit with this message as well. Anyone financially stressed by the Obamacare fiasco, anyone out of work for so long they no longer count as unemployed, anyone who is at risk of being shot and killed for the crime of "driving while black", anyone who has risked their lives, their health and their sanity fighting in brutally unnecessary foreign wars, ... the list of those who would be ready to ditch the current US Federal Government is growing long.

Let me repeat that last line ... [B]the list of those who would be ready to ditch the current US Federal Government is growing long.

One of the specialties of the Bastards in Power is fomenting revolution and the over throw of governments.

It's beginning to look to me like I might get to witness something like this, first hand, in the not too distant future.

[Cidersomerset]

The Disillusionment of Americans .....The same can be said of Britain and most countries....



[Bill Clinton] Many of the older, more conservative, constitution respecting
Americans, such as myself, were well aware by the end of the 1990's that Bill Clinton
(US President from 1993 to 2001) was a lying, thieving, corrupt, raping, murdering,
drug running, bastard.

It just keeps coming........

FBI uncovers 15000 new Hillary Clinton's emails
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Published on 23 Aug 2016
The FBI has found nearly 15,000 emails that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
never turned over after she left office. Some show that foreign officials tried to curry
favor with the State Department by donating millions to the Clinton Foundation.

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[the defeat of Bernie Sanders] Many of the young, such as my son, who supported
Bernie Sanders in his recent Democrat Party primary contest against Hillary Clinton, are well
aware that Hillary out right stole that nomination from Bernie through election fraud.

The same here many younger voters saw Jeremy despite his age and resentment
from his fellow labour MPs , who are trying to steal it away from him only a year
after he was elected by the party members who want real change....

Voting starts for UK Labour leadership contest

By David on 23 August 2016 GMT

https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/download-66-1.png

‘Britain’s Labour Party has started voting to decide if Jeremy Corbyn will remain the leader of
the country’s main opposition party or if Owen Smith should take over.Voting will begin on
Monday to decide the fate of the Labour Party’s next leader, who is expected to run for Prime
Minister in the next general election in 2020.

Despite strong support for Corbyn among party members, he has suffered a series of major
blows as senior Labour lawmakers have endorsed Smith instead.’

Read more: Voting starts for UK Labour leadership contest

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/08/22/481180/Voting-starts-for-UK-Labour-leader

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[George W. Bush] Many of the older, more liberal minded, socially caring Americans,
such as my good ex-wife, were well aware by 2008 that comparing the intelligence of George
W. Bush (US President from 2001 to 2009) to that of a monkey was an insult to the monkey.

Should be on trial with Tony Blair and the rest of the neo - 'CONS'.....

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/sites/afterdowningstreet.org/files/images/Bush%20Cheney%20Blair%20Canada%20War%20Criminals%2009032009.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78207-The-Trial-of-Tony-Blair-Martin-Noakes...-music-video.....&p=1092068&viewfull=1#post1092068

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If she wins this election, with negatives far in excess of Trump's, and with
popular support (outside of the lying pre-election polls and main stream media) far
less, then many will be certain this was fraud on a massive scale.



The Clinton team has been trying to blame Trump and the 'Ruskies' for hacking leaks..


ACTIVIST POST....

NSA World’s Most Dangerous Cyber Threat, Not Russia and China

TOPICS:ChinaKurt NimmoNSARussiaSurveillance.
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August 22, 2016

https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/server.jpg

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/08/nsa-worlds-dangerous-cyber-threat-not-russia-china.html

[Fanna]

The trick will be to be the leaders of such a change instead of observers of the swing of the Bastard's Sword.

[raff]

The Disillusionment of Americans .....The same can be said of Britain and most countries....


Cha, Cidersomerset. I love all the graft you put in to all the topics you post and contribute but I've got to say UK does not have a revolutionary bone in its body (Watt Tyler not included or even Cromwell for that matter but I can't completely include him in this context)
Poll tax was a good'n but their ain't the veal to cut this poisonous snake out of this conquered people and conquered land. This has been the state of affairs long before 1066.
Same in the US of A although their conquest has happened more recently and they do have the propensity, history, taste for and nature but they have no leader....yet. This needs a trigger. Cometh the hour cometh the man (or woman but anybody than that reptile Clinton)

[Cardillac]

it would not surprise me at all if this election ends in total chaos;

am not sure anymore of source but if what I read was thruthful, but supposedly the head of the CIA under Bush, Jr. (I forget his name) stated after Obama's 1st election: "Barak Obama will be the last president of the United States"-

if, IF true, what did he mean by this and what was he informed about that we don't know about yet?-

please be well all-

Larry

[joeecho]

One of the specialties of the Bastards in Power is fomenting revolution and the over throw of governments.


It took me awhile to realize this but once it clicked....it clicked.

http://i.imgur.com/56Bh85Y.gif



You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

- John Lennon (Revolution)

[lake]

Cha, Cidersomerset. I love all the graft you put in to all the topics you post and contribute but I've got to say UK does not have a revolutionary bone in its body
Poll tax was a good'n but their ain't the veal to cut this poisonous snake out of this conquered people and conquered land.

Hi raff....while I can appreciate your stance, I do disagree.

I am the first to state that I dislike the actions of the majority of people but there is still within them a chance to become more.
I see it as I walk along a street, I hear it within their voices, I feel it as I berate the actions of the youth.

Its still there.......under the veneer, under the stupidity, under the technology.
I disprove of their apathy but there is still something which has life....still

and it will rise through the sh*t eventually

[joeecho]

"Barak Obama will be the last president of the United States"


If memory serves me right, this was also said of George W. Bush when he was president as well.



I disprove of their apathy but there is still something which has life....still
and it will rise through the sh*t eventually

http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/f8/69/f869f6512b0d7187f4e475fc9aa7f250.png

[TargeT]

... the list of those who would be ready to ditch the current US Federal Government is growing long.

One of the specialties of the Bastards in Power is fomenting revolution and the over throw of governments.

It's beginning to look to me like I might get to witness something like this, first hand, in the not too distant future.


well, if your a globalist; this is exactly the move you would take...

You gotta END the fed before you set up a global currency,

You gotta END the super powers (or at least undermine greatly) before you set up a new globalist super power...

This is why I've said for a long time that Ron Paul is probably COINTELPRO.... he's pushing the globalist agenda from a "friendly-to-non-globalists perspective".



It took me awhile to realize this but once it clicked....it clicked.

http://i.imgur.com/56Bh85Y.gif



You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

- John Lennon (Revolution)


exactly "revolution" is NOT what we want... we want to jump off the hampsterwheel, not spin it around again....

http://www.themeetingrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/GuyRunningatWheel.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

Cha, Cidersomerset. I love all the graft you put in to all the topics you post and contribute but I've got to say UK does not have a revolutionary bone in its body
I suspect that this "revolution" will be televised. The Bastards no longer need a substantial number of honest to God revolutionaries to conduct regime change. They stage some riots and mayhem; they incite a wave of discontent amongst the populace; they spread some stories discrediting the current regime; they replace one regime with the next in some sort of coup; and voilà ... the revolution has begun.

[DouglasDanger]

It could be stopped but do you want to stop it? It has been mentioned how to stop it but will someone pick up the tool to stop it and stop it?.
I think no.

[PurpleLama]

Bill Clinton was impeached, but did not leave office.

Bush was put in by the Supreme Court unconstitutionally, after the election debacle we witnessed in florida, so he was unelected.

Obama is not a natural born citizen, therefore is ineligible.

My current theory is that it is Trump's job to be so bad, that the electoral college will for the first time go with their conscience rather than the popular vote and will elect Hillary and God only knows what will be the cascading results throughout in our society.

[3(C)+me]

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
All right, all right, all right


The revolution
One mind at a time

[Cidersomerset]

UK does not have a revolutionary bone in its body

I would not totally agree with that the troubles in North Ireland ,the various riots
we are rebellious when push comes to shove.We are not there yet but Brexit shows
we are not all thralls even though many are in debt and using food banks . Others
are indebted to the system mortgages , loans debts etc. Many are doing ok and
some very well and a small few fantastic in this system..

Things can change relatively quickly under the right or wrong conditions. There is a
lot of discontent under the surface from some parts of the population , I agree we
are a long way from revolution and the abolishing of monarchy , but the spirit
of Admiral Blake , the 'pitch fork ' rebellion and other acts are still remembered
here in Sedgemoor.....

You do not need violence to gain victories , I have been a postie for the past
10 years and we have been on many strikes and walk outs , some technically
illegal though morally just. It does depend on the strength of your union ,which
has been watered down in many areas of the country.

Breaking the law: victory for Bridgwater wildcats!
https://wessexsolidarity.wordpress.com/tag/cwu/

Over 100 postal workers meet in Bridgwater.....Ecnal 61 has the blue hat on..LOL
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69067-Love-at-the-Post-Office-LOL--This-is-SO-Off-Topic--Blush&p=806990&viewfull=1#post806990

Bridgwater postal strike after postman with MS claims Royal Mail won't let him
return to work
http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/news/14024440.Bridgwater_postal_strike_after_postman_with_MS_claims_Royal_Mail_won_t_let_him_return_to_wo rk/

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a couple articles from today....

Fivefold increase in reported slavery in Britain is sign of progress, says government

By David on 23 August 2016 GMT

https://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/slavery.jpg

‘There has been a fivefold rise in the number of slavery victims
in England and Wales since 2012, according to the Salvation Army.

The charity says it has supported 1,805 people from April 2015 to
March 2016. That’s compared to 378 referrals between July 2011
and June 2012 – the first year of the government contract to
support victims.

In the past five years, the group has helped nearly 4,500 modern
slaves, but Home Office figures estimate there are still between
10,000 and 13,000 slaves in the UK.’

Read more: Fivefold increase in reported slavery in Britain is sign
of progress, says government

https://www.rt.com/uk/356721-slavery-fivefold-increase-britain/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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[Justplain]

Whether you like it or not, there isnt gonna be a revolution in the USA. The system in place, although subject to fraud and manipulation, is flexible enough to deflect the worst disapproval of the electorate. Imho, the best thing to do is not pay too much attention to the politics and msm and quietly go about your life. You will probably improve the world more by enhancing your ability to experience unselfish love than any of these politicians could ever do.

[TargeT]

My current theory is that it is Trump's job to be so bad, that the electoral college will for the first time go with their conscience rather than the popular vote and will elect Hillary and God only knows what will be the cascading results throughout in our society.

Nah, his tactics (imo) were clear, he was outrageous at first for cheap press.. In his most recent speech he's already backtracking on previous statements....

I see a "Jesse Ventura" candidate... He was unexpected and the establishment had no plan for rogue celebrities running for office...

Not that he's or savior; just un planned for.... Everything they currently try enlarges his base... Racist claims? He gains 4 points due to the BS .. it's been comical from my point of view..

[Sueanne47]

The governments have the power to starve us and spread disease....like they are doing to Venezuela's people. How can we possibly take on and fight the military to get to the 'bastard's in power?'

Photo taken from 'the big squeeze' thread;

34076

[raff]

Cha, Cidersomerset. I love all the graft you put in to all the topics you post and contribute but I've got to say UK does not have a revolutionary bone in its body
I suspect that this "revolution" will be televised. The Bastards no longer need a substantial number of honest to God revolutionaries to conduct regime change. They stage some riots and mayhem; they incite a wave of discontent amongst the populace; they spread some stories discrediting the current regime; they replace one regime with the next in some sort of coup; and voilà ... the revolution has begun.

The other possibility is that you have a faction of the PTB take over and things get bad to worse or even improve Russia and Turkey as a point to consider. Nothing lasts for ever and whatever plans made have a tendency to find setbacks. My sense of this regardless of the resources, regardless of the power, influence and control these people and groups will be undone. I say this because those forces unseen which in my experience pretty much run the whole show have a plan that won't allow the status quo to continue. Change may be slow but it is inevitable.

[ThePythonicCow]

Whether you like it or not, there isnt gonna be a revolution in the USA.
I agree that there won't be a genuine revolt of the common people in the USA.

But I'd not be surprised to see "regime change" accompanied by revolutionary news in the headlines, all covertly driven by the Bastards in Power, as they have done in so many other countries over the years.

[raff]

Whether you like it or not, there isnt gonna be a revolution in the USA.
I agree that there won't be a genuine revolt of the common people in the USA.

But I'd not be surprised to see "regime change" accompanied by revolutionary news in the headlines, all covertly driven by the Bastards in Power, as they have done in so many other countries over the years.

Evil in the end will consume itself that is its fate, that is its nature even if it doesn't see this, quelle suprise.

[ThePythonicCow]

Evil in the end will consume itself that is its fate, that is its nature even if it doesn't see this, quelle suprise.
The bastards have apparently been at this for tens of thousands of years on this planet ... at least.

Whether "the end" when evil consumes itself comes a hundred years from now, or another ten thousand years from now ... matters little to me in this life.

Rather what matters is mine and our continuously improved understanding and awareness, for there lies the basis of a better life ... and likely there lies the basis of the weakening of evil. Like bugs in software, evil doesn't just "consume itself" ... rather it waxes (strengthens) and wanes (weakens), as our awareness wanes and waxes.

[onawah]

I just read on this Facebook page for the "Clinton Email Investigation Timeline" FB group:

I'm not sure where I read it, I'd have to check. But from what I remember Sanders called for the DNC procedural rules to be suspended and for all votes cast by the delegates to be noted in the official records. Since it was a contested convention both Hillary and Bernie were nominated and seconded. Also, Bernie never conceded to Hillary and only endorsed her, not nominated her. Ipso dipso, Sanders is still a nominee, even if he lost the roll count. If Hillary is out then Bernie can claim the nominee.
If Assange's big leak to bring HRC down is yet to come (I think there's one due in September), and she steps down, according to that quote, Bernie could still be in the running.
There have been rumors that he has been strategizing behind the scenes.
It would be a sad day for him in a personal way if he becomes POTUS, because then he will be subject to so much control by the elites, but it would certainly help to galvanize his supporters into continuing on with their reformatory activism, which would be a good thing.
Perhaps the reins of control are actually slipping away from the elites if HRC can be brought down.
I guess if anyone can do it, it would be Assange.

[TargeT]

then he will be subject to so much control by the elites, but it would certainly help to galvanize his supporters into continuing on with their reformatory activism, which would be a good thing.
Perhaps the reins of control are actually slipping away from the elites if HRC can be brought down.
I guess if anyone can do it, it would be Assange.

Berne is as establishment as it gets.... maybe not as blatantly... "evil" as HRC, but he still rows in the same boat, just a bit further to the left.

Berne is not the answer...


Unfortunately by now we know some new things about psychology, intellect & their relationship to political ideology.

You can peruse these three studies if you're interested:

Article 1
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/political-orientations-intelligence-and-education.pdf

Article 2
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00289-2?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982211002892%3Fshowall%3Dt rue&cc=y=

Article 3
http://2012election.procon.org/sourcefiles/the-secret-lives-of-liberals-and-conservatives-personality-profiles-interaction-styles-2008.pdf

Or you can watch a bit of this video where it is explained to you (link starts at 7:30ish)
** contains adult language**
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So we now have confirmed what I've always felt to be true: Political ideologists on the left and right extremes are less emotionally and intellectually intelligent... and the Liberals are worse off than the right wing nut jobs....

In short: it's easier to fool those on the extremes & the Bern did just that.

[onawah]

Sanders may not be the answer, but any conversation about the POTUS candidates is still about lesser evils.
I think he has a better character and more honesty than the other candidates, and his supporters, many young people among them, are very motivated to bring about change, so it will keep them enthused and working hard for awhile at least, until the next wave of disillusionment in politics comes, at least.
I don't hold with your opinion that "Liberals are worse off than the right wing nut jobs...."
Liberals are learning fast, and disillusionment has been good medicine for them, and there's plenty of that about.

[Sueanne47]

Bernie & Killary ~ 2 cheeks, same a*se!

[Althena]

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"In the end, it is the people who lose out, as their genuine hope for change and accountability is denied by the influence the US wields over their political leaders"

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92745-Manufactured-Civil-Unrest-And-Regime-Change-Is-America-Next

Check this out: http://www.globalresearch.ca/colour-coded-revolutions-and-the-origins-of-world-war-iii/15767

[TargeT]

Sanders may not be the answer, but any conversation about the POTUS candidates is still about lesser evils.
I think he has a better character and more honesty

This is honest?
Uf0zeamtnic
Even his supporters don't think so......

That one thing, that SINGLE moment should be enough.. but if it's not I'll find more for you ;)



I don't hold with your opinion that "Liberals are worse off than the right wing nut jobs...."
Liberals are learning fast, and disillusionment has been good medicine for them, and there's plenty of that about.

not my opinion (at least, not JUST my opinion), see the three studies (collectively written by some 20 doctors) on the topic ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

2r2vmzFOvfI

"In the end, it is the people who lose out, as their genuine hope for change and accountability is denied by the influence the US wields over their political leaders"

I was about to post this video, but I see Althena beat me to it.

This video shows what I mean by regime change ... how it's done in the "modern" world. The U.S. is not immune.

Here's a bit more detailed description of this short (under 10 minutes) video, in Brandon Smith's post A History Of Manufactured Regime Change And Civil Unrest: Is America Next? (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2991-a-history-of-manufactured-regime-change-and-civil-unrest-is-america-next) on his Alt-Market.com site:


Another excellent video from Truthstream Media outlining the history of elitist run regime change and cultural overthrow in the past century. Truthstream thankfully acknowledges what some in the Liberty Movement refuse to see; namely that the strategy of engineered collapse of nations perpetrated by the CIA and globalist NGOs is now being perpetrated against the U.S. Yes, that's right, America is just as expendable to the elites as any other nation in their quest to create "order out of chaos", or a New World Order...

[Flash]

Those studies you refer to are so self explanatory and their implication for the use and abuse of these from political powers is soooooo possible that I think those articles should be copied here in their entirety:


Control and abuse of our biology certainly goes that far, I have no doubts about it. It also tells me that only 2% of the population is really bright, which would mean that the bulge of humans are more extreme than in the middle. Interesting. Extremes are definitely easier to manipulate.

Article 1:
Political orientations, intelligence and education

The social sciences have traditionally assumed that education is amajor determinant of citizens' political
orientations and behavior. Several studies have also shown that intelligence has an impact.
According to a theory that conceptualizes intelligence as a burgher (middle-class, civil) phenomenon—
intelligence should promote civil attitudes, habits and norms like diligence, order and liberty,
which in turn nurture cognitive development — political orientations should be related to intelligence,
with more intelligent individuals tending towards less extreme political orientations. In a
Brazilian sample (N=586), individuals were given the Standard Progressive Matrices (SPM) and
a questionnairemeasuring age, gender, income, education and political orientations. Firstly, intelligence
has a positive impact on having any political opinion. Among persons with opinions those
with the highest IQ'swere found to be politically center-right and centrist respectively. The relationship
held after correcting for gender, age, education and income. In a path-analysis, only intelligence
had a positive impact on political centrality, whereas education promoted orientations that were
farther from the center. These results are discussed in the context of results from other studies in
different countries and in the context of different theoretical models on the relationship between
political attitudes and IQ.
© 2011 Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

1. The relationship between education, intelligence and
political orientations
1.1. Education and intelligence as enhancers of rationality, political
competence and liberalism (the enlightenment model)
The assumption that there exists a relationship between intelligence
on the one hand and political worldviews, political
institutions, political orientations and political behavior on
the other is both a research topic with a long tradition, and a
contentious social issue. Among psychologists Godfrey H.
Thomsonmade the first explicit statement on the impact of intelligence
on politics and vice-versa (1937/1936): He assumed
that intelligence would further civilization in both its technical
and in its cultural, ethical and political aspects. Conversely, he
suggested that totalitarian ideologies (such as fascism and
communism) would decrease per capita intelligence through
their tendency to “drive away intelligent men from the country”
(2009, p. 59). This sentiment was later confirmed by the
flight of scientists and intellectuals from National Socialist
Germany (according to Möller, 1984, around 50% of all notable
scientists) and by the deleterious impact on the human
capital of Communist countries (especially USSR, China and
Cambodia) through selective emigration and political murder
(according to Glad, 1998, a loss of 6% of people with IQ
higher than 130 resulted from the policies of the Soviet
Union). In addition to the ways discussed by Thomson,
there are other ways in which theses politics could also have
had a deleterious effect on intelligence: War, dictatorship and
totalitarian ideologies could reduce the quality and quantity of
conditions relevant for optimal cognitive development and
knowledge acquisition, such as nutrition, health care, stable
parenting, educational opportunities, rule of law and liberty
(e.g. DeGroot, 1951; Pesonen et al., 2011; Rindermann, 2008).

Article 2:


Highlights

• Political liberalism and conservatism were correlated with brain structure
• Liberalism was associated with the gray matter volume of anterior cingulate cortex
• Conservatism was associated with increased right amygdala size
• Results offer possible accounts for cognitive styles of liberals and conservatives


Summary

Substantial differences exist in the cognitive styles of liberals and conservatives on psychological measures [ 1 ]. Variability in political attitudes reflects genetic influences and their interaction with environmental factors [ 2, 3 ]. Recent work has shown a correlation between liberalism and conflict-related activity measured by event-related potentials originating in the anterior cingulate cortex [ 4 ]. Here we show that this functional correlate of political attitudes has a counterpart in brain structure. In a large sample of young adults, we related self-reported political attitudes to gray matter volume using structural MRI. We found that greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex, whereas greater conservatism was associated with increased volume of the right amygdala. These results were replicated in an independent sample of additional participants. Our findings extend previous observations that political attitudes reflect differences in self-regulatory conflict monitoring [ 4 ] and recognition of emotional faces [ 5 ] by showing that such attitudes are reflected in human brain structure. Although our data do not determine whether these regions play a causal role in the formation of political attitudes, they converge with previous work [ 4, 6 ] to suggest a possible link between brain structure and psychological mechanisms that mediate political attitudes.


Article 3:
The Secret Lives of Liberals and Conservatives:
Personality Profiles, Interaction Styles, and the
Things They Leave Behind

Although skeptics continue to doubt that most people are “ideological,” evidence suggests
that meaningful left-right differences do exist and that they may be rooted in basic
personality dispositions, that is, relatively stable individual differences in psychological
needs, motives, and orientations toward the world. Seventy-five years of theory and
research on personality and political orientation has produced a long list of dispositions,
traits, and behaviors. Applying a theory of ideology as motivated social cognition and a
“Big Five” framework, we find that two traits, Openness to New Experiences and Conscientiousness,
parsimoniously capture many of the ways in which individual differences
underlying political orientation have been conceptualized. In three studies we investigate
the relationship between personality and political orientation using multiple domains
and measurement techniques, including: self-reported personality assessment; nonverbal
behavior in the context of social interaction; and personal possessions and the characteristics
of living and working spaces. We obtained consistent and converging evidence
that personality differences between liberals and conservatives are robust, replicable,
and behaviorally significant, especially with respect to social (vs. economic) dimensions
of ideology. In general, liberals are more open-minded, creative, curious, and novelty seeking, whereas conservatives are more orderly, conventional, and better
organized.

“The individual’s pattern of thought, whatever its content, reflects his
personality and is not merely an aggregate of opinions picked up helterskelter
from the ideological environment.”
(Adorno, Frenkel-Brunswik, Levinson, & Sanford, 1950, p. 176)
Despite evidence of stark ideological polarization in American and European
politics (Abramowitz & Saunders, 2005; Bishop, 2004; Bobbio, 1996; Jost,
2006), a number of sociologists, psychologists, and political scientists remain
skeptical about the notion that most people are “ideological” in any stable, consistent,
or profound sense (Baker, 2005; Bishop, 2005; Converse, 2000; Fiorina,
Abrams, & Pope, 2006; McGuire, 1999; Zaller, 1992). There are several reasons
for the skepticism, and many of these can be traced to theoretical and empirical
claims first made in the 1950s and 1960s by Raymond Aron, Edward Shils,
Daniel Bell, Seymour Lipset, and Philip Converse. These “end-of-ideology” proponents
argued that there were no major differences between the left and right
in terms of political content or psychological characteristics and that there was
no compelling cognitive or motivational structure to ideologies such as liberalism
and conservatism. Jost (2006) reevaluated these skeptical claims and concluded
that, although ordinary citizens may fail strict tests of ideological
sophistication, most people can and do use ideological constructs such as liberalism
and conservatism meaningfully and appropriately and that they are indeed
motivated by ideological commitments that guide (or constrain) both attitudes
and behaviors.
Skepticism about the role of ideology in everyday life persists at........




then he will be subject to so much control by the elites, but it would certainly help to galvanize his supporters into continuing on with their reformatory activism, which would be a good thing.
Perhaps the reins of control are actually slipping away from the elites if HRC can be brought down.
I guess if anyone can do it, it would be Assange.

Berne is as establishment as it gets.... maybe not as blatantly... "evil" as HRC, but he still rows in the same boat, just a bit further to the left.

Berne is not the answer...


Unfortunately by now we know some new things about psychology, intellect & their relationship to political ideology.

You can peruse these three studies if you're interested:

Article 1
https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/political-orientations-intelligence-and-education.pdf

Article 2
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(11)00289-2?_returnURL=http%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0960982211002892%3Fshowall%3Dt rue&cc=y=

Article 3
http://2012election.procon.org/sourcefiles/the-secret-lives-of-liberals-and-conservatives-personality-profiles-interaction-styles-2008.pdf

Or you can watch a bit of this video where it is explained to you (link starts at 7:30ish)
** contains adult language**
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So we now have confirmed what I've always felt to be true: Political ideologists on the left and right extremes are less emotionally and intellectually intelligent... and the Liberals are worse off than the right wing nut jobs....

In short: it's easier to fool those on the extremes & the Bern did just that.

[Flash]

Anybody who has met any Chilean who was alive in his country when the coup d'état happened in Chili under Allende, to put Pinochet the killer dictator in its place, will tell you exactly how change of governement provoked by another government happens, because it was openly obvious in Chili at that time for all to see. And they all knew the foreign government implicated was the USA.

Not to say that the Russian did not do the same, because they did as well, in their own part of the world. As well as Chinese did.

the problem is not in whom did what, but why would we, as a human race, ever need to dominate and put fear into peoples and nations instead of being cooperative for reciprocal development. The problem is how to get rid of paranoia, of victim complex and torturer behaviors/thinking in order to implement cooperation worldwide.

this most probably lies in the psychopaths attitude that we have to get away from, with or without their consent.




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"In the end, it is the people who lose out, as their genuine hope for change and accountability is denied by the influence the US wields over their political leaders"

I was about to post this video, but I see Althena beat me to it.

This video shows what I mean by regime change ... how it's done in the "modern" world. The U.S. is not immune.

Here's a bit more detailed description of this short (under 10 minutes) video, in Brandon Smith's post A History Of Manufactured Regime Change And Civil Unrest: Is America Next? (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2991-a-history-of-manufactured-regime-change-and-civil-unrest-is-america-next) on his Alt-Market.com site:


Another excellent video from Truthstream Media outlining the history of elitist run regime change and cultural overthrow in the past century. Truthstream thankfully acknowledges what some in the Liberty Movement refuse to see; namely that the strategy of engineered collapse of nations perpetrated by the CIA and globalist NGOs is now being perpetrated against the U.S. Yes, that's right, America is just as expendable to the elites as any other nation in their quest to create "order out of chaos", or a New World Order...

[raff]

Evil in the end will consume itself that is its fate, that is its nature even if it doesn't see this, quelle suprise.
The bastards have apparently been at this for tens of thousands of years on this planet ... at least.

Whether "the end" when evil consumes itself comes a hundred years from now, or another ten thousand years from now ... matters little to me in this life.

Rather what matters is mine and our continuously improved understanding and awareness, for there lies the basis of a better life ... and likely there lies the basis of the weakening of evil. Like bugs in software, evil doesn't just "consume itself" ... rather it waxes (strengthens) and wanes (weakens), as our awareness wanes and waxes.

Agreed Paul but i don't think the present predicament from the PTB has been that long no more than a couple of hundred years at most. These scumbags claim to be around a long time but I don't believe it. And the kind of evil I'm talking about on this good earth will gasp it's last breath, that I can be sure of. Why do I say this? Because there are very few places in the cosmos that have allowed this level of intense pain and horror to occur and this experiment IS changing. It is a new playing field we are on (can't you feel/see it) and the old tricks ain't gonna work anymore here. And the funny thing is that the buggers know this and are scrambling to exit or cut their inevitable losses.

[onawah]

As stated in my post #22:

I just read on this Facebook page for the "Clinton Email Investigation Timeline" FB group:
"I'm not sure where I read it, I'd have to check. But from what I remember Sanders called for the DNC procedural rules to be suspended and for all votes cast by the delegates to be noted in the official records. Since it was a contested convention both Hillary and Bernie were nominated and seconded. Also, Bernie never conceded to Hillary and only endorsed her, not nominated her. Ipso dipso, Sanders is still a nominee, even if he lost the roll count. If Hillary is out then Bernie can claim the nominee.
If Assange's big leak to bring HRC down is yet to come (I think there's one due in September), and she steps down, according to that quote, Bernie could still be in the running."
There have been rumors that he has been strategizing behind the scenes.

So the rumor there is that Sanders' endorsement of HRC and his challenging of the DNC rules was a STRATEGY to keep open the possibility that he might still be put forth as the DNC candidate in case HRC has to step down.
Certainly he is a career politician, but his record of voting for the people has been very good, in comparison to most.
And there are still a lot of people who support him and would be incredibly happy to support him again if he runs.
Again, we are talking about the lesser evil in a process that has been become incredibly corrupt.
How do you want to measure honesty?
Sure, lots of people with letters behind their names share your opinions, Target...but lots of people with letters behind their names share mine, too.
I'm really not up for a debate, thanks.
I just wanted to interject some info others might not be aware of.
What would really be useful would be some input from someone who actually understands the DNC procedures to see if HRC turns out not to be the DNC nominee, who will be.
( I believe Paul took a look at the rules but they were too lengthy and complicated for him to get an idea.)



Sanders may not be the answer, but any conversation about the POTUS candidates is still about lesser evils.
I think he has a better character and more honesty

This is honest?
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Even his supporters don't think so......

That one thing, that SINGLE moment should be enough.. but if it's not I'll find more for you ;)



I don't hold with your opinion that "Liberals are worse off than the right wing nut jobs...."
Liberals are learning fast, and disillusionment has been good medicine for them, and there's plenty of that about.

not my opinion (at least, not JUST my opinion), see the three studies (collectively written by some 20 doctors) on the topic ;)

[TargeT]

but his record of voting for the people has been very good, in comparison to most.

Have any examples of that, or does it just seem that way?

I think you'll be very very hard pressed to show many any government initiative that A) did what it was intended to do and B) was successful.

everything that the government does could be accomplished better by private industry; however certain things (due to trust) should not be done by private industry (but that's a short list).




And there are still a lot of people who support him and would be incredibly happy to support him again if he runs.
Again, we are talking about the lesser evil in a process that has been become incredibly corrupt.
How do you want to measure honesty?

well you don't spend months campaigning against someone, proclaiming them unfit to lead, and then pull a COMPLETE 180...

That is how i measure honesty. It seems very clear/obvious to me.




Sure, lots of people with letters behind their names share your opinions, Target...but lots of people with letters behind their names share mine, too.


Care to share any material from those people with letters that agree with you?

I've looked & certainly don't find anything at all... not even a hint of a study on this topic that runs contrary to what I posted.



I'm really not up for a debate, thanks.

So... you just want to make statements and have them taken at face value with no corroborating evidence? Haven't "we" fallen for that kind of crap in the past FAR FAR FAR too often?

If you don't have the energy to back up your own position, I suggest not even stating it (or perhaps re-evaluating how committed to it you are).

[onawah]

No, Target, I don't "just want to make statements and have them taken at face value with no corroborating evidence".
This is Paul's thread, and I will remove my posts to another thread, if he thinks they are inappropriate.
That's really about all I have time for, at this juncture.

[TargeT]

No, Target, I don't "just want to make statements and have them taken at face value with no corroborating evidence".
This is Paul's thread, and I will remove my posts to another thread, if he thinks they are inappropriate.



I think discussions about politicians and the trust levels of their constituency are very relevant to the "disillusionment of Americans".. we are quite on topic :)

My offerings today were to show how the extremes of the left and right (which Flash pointed out are more the "norms" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92796-The-Disillusionment-of-Americans&p=1092496&viewfull=1#post1092496) in reality... that's how good the divide and conquer tactic is working) are exploited by a now PROVEN disadvantage prevalent in those types of people.

now allow me to (possibly) put my foot in mouth:

from your responses I assume you identify with the "liberal" side (You didn't seem too concerned that I was calling right wingers (on average) dumber as well), from your responses it seems you took what I posted personally... that certainly was not my intent, but if the shoe fits, you should know there's some holes in it ;)


I think these weaknesses of both the left and right extremes are very important to be understood & will help ANYONE when dealing with those types of people. It will help us to understand how we are manipulated by people who probably have known about these weaknesses for much longer than "we" have.

You have to know the tools used against you in order to defend against them.



That's really about all I have time for, at this juncture.
I get not having time.. real life is much more important ;)

[onawah]

I don't think liberals are necessarily dumber than conservatives, but I agree that both extremes have huge blind spots- just different kinds.

[Sean]

The game in America(as it is everywhere else) is "divide and conquer". Here the elites are playing up the racial divide, to a place where,no matter who "wins" in november, people are gonna die in the streets. I'm a black man; And, I can see, from how I'm being treated in day-to-day life, that many whites are chomping at the bit to get a white man in charge again. People severely underestimate how much rage and resentment many(not all) in white america feel about having a black president. Their racism is becoming more prevalent, less hidden,in anticipation of Trump winning.

It never occurs to them that the people who really run the world, and who are responsible for so much horror, look, mostly, just like them.

Many americans still fall into the "other" trap. "they" did this to you. Blacks do the crime, mexicans are illegal, muslims are terrorists.

Seriously, if America really wanted to stop terrorism, and engage in EFFECTIVE racial profiling,FBI/DHS should just go down to wall street and arrest everyone at goldman-sachs and like establisments. But they won't.

It's too easy to get the gullible to believe that every person with color in their skin is the cause of all their troubles..

[TargeT]

I don't think liberals are necessarily dumber than conservatives, but I agree that both extremes have huge blind spots- just different kinds.

not dumber, worse off... the ability to handle conflicts & conflicting information is degraded due to higher activity in the gray matter volume of anterior cingulate cortex.


Recent work has shown a correlation between liberalism and conflict-related activity measured by event-related potentials originating in the anterior cingulate cortex

That's why nearly all violent protests are "liberal" or the violence is initiated by "liberals" while they proclaim to be the "peace and love" movement.... I do not think liberalism causes this, though the "environmental factor" of our development is strong and it may.


The game in America(as it is everywhere else) is "divide and conquer". Here the elites are playing up the racial divide, to a place where,no matter who "wins" in november, people are gonna die in the streets.

Die in the streets? why? what??


I'm a black man; And, I can see, from how I'm being treated in day-to-day life, that many whites are chomping at the bit to get a white man in charge again. People severely underestimate how much rage and resentment many(not all) in white america feel about having a black president. Their racism is becoming more prevalent, less hidden,in anticipation of Trump winning.

I feel like this is a very racist line of thought.... and completely baseless as well (as a white male that has NO CLUE what your talking about).

I'm shocked that you think this way, it certainly doesn't reflect my reality whatsoever... maybe you need to move.




It's too easy to get the gullible to believe that every person with color in their skin is the cause of all their troubles..

Uhh... Huh?


Right now I"m seeing racism going one way, black vs white ("black lives matter" is the best example)... I see nothing of the opposite at all.. so yeah, I do not share your sentiments on race in this issue.

Perhaps it's because I'm an extreme minority where I live?

[Curiosity]

The governments have the power to starve us and spread disease....like they are doing to Venezuela's people. How can we possibly take on and fight the military to get to the 'bastard's in power?'

Photo taken from 'the big squeeze' thread;

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There are individuals and groups that will prove to be hard for the government to starve out, like myself and many of the ranchers up here the have live stock and organic gardens. There are many people and groups throughout this country that are like minded, and OFF GRID self sufficient. It would take an outright invasion of their property by the government to keep them from living this way. That is not to say that the government might not do exactly that. I don't see that happening in my life time. But I don't have a lot of time left. Before the gov actually resorts to those tactics, they will simply do their best to outlaw the off grid self sufficient lifestyle.

That doesn't answer this question. "How can we possibly take on and fight the military to get to the 'bastard's in power?'" The answer to that is We can't.
We can, though, fight to survive by doing what these self sufficient groups and individual families are doing. We can teach others when possible how to live this way as well, until it get to the level where we as a society do not have any dependency on government hand outs or corporate supply lines (stores etc). In only this way will we break the strangle hold they have on our society.
The problem is educating people in this direction. That might prove to be impossible though. Most people do not want to disturb their personal 'status quo' and are too busy staying alive so they can keep their job ( Just Over Broke) and the lifestyle they have been programmed to accept as normal.

There is such a vast differences in geographical and generational knowledge and awareness. The methods of brainwashing differ from coast to coast and country to country, and one generation to the next.
Like some of the aforementioned in this thread, depending on geographic residence and age, people are subjected to different ploys of propagandist manipulation and mind control creating a vast array of opinions, worldly views and beliefs, and above all keeping us all divided.

While you have the older generations in the know that have been following politics since day one, you also have the younger generations that really aren't aware of the corrupt criminal activities, for example: the history of the CCCE, (Clinton Corrupt Criminal Enterprise).

Then you have the middle aged hard working class that are deeply embedded in their 9 to 5 life and want to vote but don't really spent time to research and they are split between the two major parties, "by design".
Then you have the majority of the population that WILL vote based on their craving for trash talk, they jump on the band wagon of who they deem is doing the best job of trash talking the next guy. This is also "by design" to exactly what the controlling elite want.
Then you have the very small minority that are well informed, see the realities and have begone to strive towards doing what needs to be done to change things. The problem is this minority is seen by most as "crazy", again also "by design".

As long as the Elite control the government and have this kind of control over the masses nothing will change. There will be NO revolution. The direction the elite are driving this country and world will continue. The calamities, chaos and catastrophic events they cause and create in the future will be devastating.
I honestly don't believe it will be good even for them eventually.

It's a three ring circus and the clowns continue to turn spectators into performers.

[Sean]

I don't think liberals are necessarily dumber than conservatives, but I agree that both extremes have huge blind spots- just different kinds.

not dumber, worse off... the ability to handle conflicts & conflicting information is degraded due to higher activity in the gray matter volume of anterior cingulate cortex.


Recent work has shown a correlation between liberalism and conflict-related activity measured by event-related potentials originating in the anterior cingulate cortex

That's why nearly all violent protests are "liberal" or the violence is initiated by "liberals" while they proclaim to be the "peace and love" movement.... I do not think liberalism causes this, though the "environmental factor" of our development is strong and it may.


The game in America(as it is everywhere else) is "divide and conquer". Here the elites are playing up the racial divide, to a place where,no matter who "wins" in november, people are gonna die in the streets.

Die in the streets? why? what??


I'm a black man; And, I can see, from how I'm being treated in day-to-day life, that many whites are chomping at the bit to get a white man in charge again. People severely underestimate how much rage and resentment many(not all) in white america feel about having a black president. Their racism is becoming more prevalent, less hidden,in anticipation of Trump winning.

I feel like this is a very racist line of thought.... and completely baseless as well (as a white male that has NO CLUE what your talking about).

I'm shocked that you think this way, it certainly doesn't reflect my reality whatsoever... maybe you need to move.




It's too easy to get the gullible to believe that every person with color in their skin is the cause of all their troubles..

Uhh... Huh?


Right now I"m seeing racism going one way, black vs white ("black lives matter" is the best example)... I see nothing of the opposite at all.. so yeah, I do not share your sentiments on race in this issue.

Perhaps it's because I'm an extreme minority where I live?

You can feel that way, that's your right. Your feelings, however, are in conflict with my direct experience. Nothing "racist" about it.

On BLM, and racism only going one way: You're kidding, right?

As far as the election goes, Trump is ginning up so much hatred, there's almost a guaranteed riot on election day, even if he WINS. Maybe you need to get out more, all due respect. You sound somewhat disconnected to what's going on right now.

[TargeT]

You can feel that way, that's your right. Your feelings, however, are in conflict with my direct experience. Nothing "racist" about it.

Experience, feelings, both the same... we see the world very differently apparently.



On BLM, and racism only going one way: You're kidding, right?

I am absolutely not kidding..

for example:
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Can you show me another movement that does this? Another movement that is taken seriously (at least by the media...) that these type of statements are sort of "ignored" ? Is there any other group that does this?

I see an amazing level of manipulation going on here & a divide and conquer tactic at it's fruition... and no one wants to talk about it


You're kidding, right?

I'm absolutely serious.


As far as the election goes, Trump is ginning up so much hatred, there's almost a guaranteed riot on election day, even if he WINS. Maybe you need to get out more, all due respect. You sound somewhat disconnected to what's going on right now.

Please show me some of this "ginned up hatred" , show me one example that is as clear as the 8 examples I posted. Trump was being brilliant, causing controversy for FREE press,... he just recently released his VERY FIRST TV political add, why now? because of his leverage of the press and their propensity for hysteria he hasn't needed any paid coverage, he had tons of press coverage.

now that November is closing in he's already taking the more moderate route; you'll see his tact change drastically as he reaches more center on his way to the election, these are JUST tactics...

Not being able to analyse these situations and see this seems very detrimental to me.

Emotion retards thinking, every time; be aware of that as you consider these issues which obviously you feel strongly about.

BLM is absolutely a core tool being used to destabilize the US, there may be some validity to it but it is over ridden by the reality of the movement and what it DOES and SAYS.

[Sean]

You can feel that way, that's your right. Your feelings, however, are in conflict with my direct experience. Nothing "racist" about it.

Experience, feelings, both the same... we see the world very differently apparently.

Wrong. Experience is something that has ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Feelings are how you..feel about something.



On BLM, and racism only going one way: You're kidding, right?

I am absolutely not kidding..

for example:
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Can you show me another movement that does this? Another movement that is taken seriously (at least by the media...) that these type of statements are sort of "ignored" ? Is there any other group that does this?


Yes. The KKK. I don't condone any of that stuff you posted.

I see an amazing level of manipulation going on here & a divide and conquer tactic at it's fruition... and no one wants to talk about it


You're kidding, right?

I'm absolutely serious.


As far as the election goes, Trump is ginning up so much hatred, there's almost a guaranteed riot on election day, even if he WINS. Maybe you need to get out more, all due respect. You sound somewhat disconnected to what's going on right now.

Please show me some of this "ginned up hatred" , show me one example that is as clear as the 8 examples I posted. Trump was being brilliant, causing controversy for FREE press,... he just recently released his VERY FIRST TV political add, why now? because of his leverage of the press and their propensity for hysteria he hasn't needed any paid coverage, he had tons of press coverage.

now that November is closing in he's already taking the more moderate route; you'll see his tact change drastically as he reaches more center on his way to the election, these are JUST tactics...

Not being able to analyse these situations and see this seems very detrimental to me.

Emotion retards thinking, every time; be aware of that as you consider these issues which obviously you feel strongly about.

BLM is absolutely a core tool being used to destabilize the US, there may be some validity to it but it is over ridden by the reality of the movement and what it DOES and SAYS.

A decent list of trump racism: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

The problem that I have, right now, when speaking of racial issues with my caucasian brethren, is simply that many of you outright deny the racism targeting people of color in this country. YOU deny it here, then attempt to display black racism towards whites as if there is some sort of equivalency. there isn't. Anyone can be racist..but, compared to the racism whites direct towards blacks, it's not even close.

another tactic, one you attempt to employ here, is accusing me of being overly emotional. Not true. My MA instructor once said.."don't think like a fighter, think like a professional". I do that with everything now. No "knee-jerk" reactions. I know BLM is a divide and conquer tactic..I know it's George Soros-funded. but that doesn't mean the movement, at it's core, doesn't have real issues they're addressing. I think your POV is short-sighted, and lacks empathy. You don't see how we are treated in American society daily, because you're not subject to it. Because you're not subject to it, You seem to believe it doesn't exist.

Oh, and, you don't get to try to "qualify" what examples I use with that "clear" comment. Racism has been hidden in code words, hand gestures, facial expessions, and "dog-whistles" from the get-go. Not all racists wear the white sheets.

but, some of them do use the word "******" in my presence(which happened to me, AT WORK, not 2 weeks ago). when I confronted this person, his response was, "you weren't supposed to hear that". Not, "I'm sorry".

Your denial of racism, and I mean, deep, systemic racism, not just incidental racism in this country, destroys your argument.

[TargeT]

I sent you a PM with my thoughts.

I think we are getting a bit off in the weeds and my drive at pointing out a divide and conquer tactic/group was lost.

[turiya]

A decent list of trump racism: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83



Please take a look at Post #405 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1092260&viewfull=1#post1092260) of another thread...

[rgray222]

Let me repeat that last line ... the list of those who would be ready to ditch the current US Federal Government is growing long.
One of the specialties of the Bastards in Power is fomenting revolution and the overthrow of governments.
It's beginning to look to me like I might get to witness something like this, first hand, in the not too distant future.

To what end, money, they have plenty. Power, they have total control. I don't disagree with your premise but I don't see how a revolution or gross malcontent would benefit the powers that be.

[ThePythonicCow]

To what end, money, they have plenty. Power, they have total control. I don't disagree with your premise but I don't see how a revolution or gross malcontent would benefit the powers that be.
To what end: Greater control of humanity.

Existing national and local governments and other institutions are cumbersome to manage.

So such institutions will be, and are being, discredited in the eyes of the people.

As John D. Rockefeller observed (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johndrock164132.html), in their eyes, "Competition is a sin."

The bastards would countenance no competition for control of humanity.

[TargeT]

To what end, money, they have plenty. Power, they have total control. I don't disagree with your premise but I don't see how a revolution or gross malcontent would benefit the powers that be.

Because there's more to gain.. they are not done yet.
The richest 10% hold 76% of the wealth (http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/18/pf/wealth-inequality/)

When you own that much, why wouldn't you think you deserve more?

[ceetee9]

What gets me is that we are still talking about the various elite-controlled (for the most part) politicians as if any of them would "change" anything in favor of the people, truth and freedom. How stupid is that? IMO, we need to think outside of the box and be smarter than those who manipulate and control us if we stand any chance at all of surviving in anyway beyond a continuous, and ever worsening, state of slavery.

Hey, but it sure is fun to do what we've always done (i.e., vote your party of choice) election after election after election and expect a different result, Right? Wait... Isn't that the definition of insanity? ;)

[Sueanne47]

The globalists knew exactly what they were doing when the flood gates were opened to europe from the middle east. I get on with everyone in my factory who are portuguese, polish, russian, indian african, dutch as well as english. *BUT*...... islamist people are different there are muslim people in my husbands factory who are great to get on with and that's fine, but a lot of muslim people are very militant and want to take over the country because the Koran is dominant, and that is why the Christian faith is trying to fight back...look at the holy turf war going on in the uk at present ~

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The christian faith should not be having to fight for its survival! a swedish priest wanted to remove the church crosses to make the church into a mosque...to make the muslims feel more at home in Sweden ~

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[ThePythonicCow]

[the defeat of Trump]... If Hillary wins this election, with negatives far in excess of Trump's, and with popular support (outside of the lying pre-election polls and main stream media) far less, then many will be certain this was fraud on a massive scale.
On the other hand, if "they" are setting Trump up to win, then the apparent opposition to Trump of Republican leaders such as Kasich, Bush, Ryan, and McConnell could be B.S. to get us to believe that even Republican inside Washington leaders are against Trump. See further my comment here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92409-Romney-McCain-Bush-other-major-Republicans-Set-to-Endorse-Libertarian-Gary-Johnson-for-President&p=1092709&viewfull=1#post1092709).

[Sueanne47]

I think no one is going to win the election in november, the whole crock of sh*t is going to come crashing down as its the time of rapture.

[TargeT]

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"In the end, it is the people who lose out, as their genuine hope for change and accountability is denied by the influence the US wields over their political leaders"

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92745-Manufactured-Civil-Unrest-And-Regime-Change-Is-America-Next

Check this out: http://www.globalresearch.ca/colour-coded-revolutions-and-the-origins-of-world-war-iii/15767

Such a good succinct video... "BLM" makes so much more sense to me now...



its the time of rapture.

Again?

Didn't we just do that?


I wonder if we will look back on this time and label it "stealth WW3"
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BPD remains tight-lipped about helicopter exercise with defense department
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[A Voice from the Mountains]

On the other hand, if "they" are setting Trump up to win, then the apparent opposition to Trump of Republican leaders such as Kasich, Bush, Ryan, and McConnell could be B.S. to get us to believe that even Republican inside Washington leaders are against Trump.

I don't think this is the case because in Syria, the two factions involved here have been killing each other and really fighting to the death. I mean the CIA-backed factions against the Pentagon factions, and they have been exchanging some barbed words about it as well. Not to mention Obama's sacking of hundreds of career military officers and lots of other things I could recount, that this is a real struggle. But the take-away is that the CIA is losing. We have really been pushed towards a WW3 scenario but thank God the US military has had enough sense to cooperate with regional powers (including Russia) to de-escalate a situation that no sane person actually wants.

I hate to say it (nah just kidding, I love to say it), but for all those people out there who have been big fans of the CIA faction's rule of the US (Bushes, Clintons and corporate friends), the US military has something for you and it's called a coup d'état. I would honestly rather see a military dictatorship, under our own military (such as was done in Brazil to protect against the CIA there), than Hillary as "president."

Lying and disinforming people on an industrial scale is a cute little trick that we'll remember you well for, but it doesn't stand up to the guys who have all the big guns, and they don't like you very much. I can't blame them. I don't like you very much either.

[Curiosity]

What gets me is that we are still talking about the various elite-controlled (for the most part) politicians as if any of them would "change" anything in favor of the people, truth and freedom. How stupid is that? IMO, we need to think outside of the box and be smarter than those who manipulate and control us if we stand any chance at all of surviving in anyway beyond a continuous, and ever worsening, state of slavery.

Hey, but it sure is fun to do what we've always done (i.e., vote your party of choice) election after election after election and expect a different result, Right? Wait... Isn't that the definition of insanity? ;)

Exactly. As long as there's division and politicians manipulating the masses in this manner to get votes there we be NO change.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't think this is the case because in Syria, the two factions involved here have been killing each other and really fighting to the death. I mean the CIA-backed factions against the Pentagon factions, and they have been exchanging some barbed words about it as well. Not to mention Obama's sacking of hundreds of career military officers and lots of other things I could recount, that this is a real struggle.
Good point.

[ThePythonicCow]

I don't think this is the case because in Syria, the two factions involved here have been killing each other and really fighting to the death. I mean the CIA-backed factions against the Pentagon factions, and they have been exchanging some barbed words about it as well. Not to mention Obama's sacking of hundreds of career military officers and lots of other things I could recount, that this is a real struggle.
Good point.

Though, on second thought, this might be working at a couple of levels.

The Republican politicians attacking Trump are likely, as you say, in a real struggle for their power and position, and likely view Trump as a serious threat.

But the Puppet Master Bastards who pull those politicians strings may well be expecting and content to have those attacks be publicly visible, as part of this act in their good vs evil drama, one act of many such.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I think you are going to have at least two sides painting fundamentally different pictures of the unfolding situation, and the version of the "truth" that emerges will depend on which faction dominates the other.

If the CIA faction that has been ruling us already wins another 4 or 8 years, I wouldn't be surprised if the disinfo line pushed in alternative media circles is that it was all orchestrated and they were playing both sides and already have everything sewed up and it's over for us (the typical doom-and-gloom fear that they literally feed on to survive).

If the Pentagon-backed faction wins then I don't think they are going to be as actively pushing anything in alternative media circles because their version of the story is conspiracy theory becoming mainstream: that Hillary Clinton is a career criminal that belongs in prison, that the elections are rigged, that Obama created ISIS, etc. The claims may not be 100% accurate but the take-away message essentially reflects reality so far as I can figure it anyway.

Those are the "dangerous" ideas that, if allowed to enter into mainstream politics and be discussed openly and honestly, will destroy the political establishment as it exists today. They are not advantageous to anyone except some faction trying to topple the current power structure, which I suspect to primarily be elements of the US military domestically.

[Satori]

Whether you like it or not, there isnt gonna be a revolution in the USA. The system in place, although subject to fraud and manipulation, is flexible enough to deflect the worst disapproval of the electorate. Imho, the best thing to do is not pay too much attention to the politics and msm and quietly go about your life. You will probably improve the world more by enhancing your ability to experience unselfish love than any of these politicians could ever do.

I like the tenor of your post. But, and there always seems to be a "but", I am not convinced there will not be a revolution. (But we must define that term.). Putting it positively, I am convinced there will be a revolution. I know not where or when, nor the ultimate trigger.

[shaberon]

One of the specialties of the Bastards in Power is fomenting revolution and the over throw of governments.

Fortunately, they are also capable of something else: failure.

Also, there are people who have what I call integrity, whose loyalties can't be bought or controlled. I am not sure if there is an unbought, uncontrolled, un-infiltrated faction in the U. S., but there remain, at least, some people in the military and the local Sheriff agencies who understand that an oath to uphold the Constitution is more important than following orders from someone who ignores it. Enough of these people might be able to establish a coup or local insurgency.

The old revolutions were situations where civilians could easily be armed to rival the militaries they fought. That's not quite the case today. Anything like that would be over quick.

Some people realized the government was a sell-out from the time of the Federal Reserve, and this thing has been rolling like a snowball just getting bigger for 100 years. And the Declaration of Independence exhorts us to "alter or abolish" the government (maybe as often as each generation). I think the very notion of this country is governmenticide. In practice, that faded away, but this mess is long overdue to self-destruct or be fundamentally altered by someone, because no one's done the laundry for over 200 years. Well, the Confederacy tried to, but I've noticed that discussion has mostly been stuffed in the closet.

[Sueanne47]

The attention on this thread has been about the B*astards in power in the US. But now tensions are rising between east & west over Syria, and Mr Putin is gaining ground and making many more allies..such as China, shouldnt Americans & the British start worrying about a Russia & China invasion???

They know full well that the US government is unrelenting in poking the russian bear into conflict (and tensions in the south china sea), what is to stop them taking over America & the Uk to destroy the globalists?

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

I don't think this is the case because in Syria, the two factions involved here have been killing each other and really fighting to the death. I mean the CIA-backed factions against the Pentagon factions, and they have been exchanging some barbed words about it as well. Not to mention Obama's sacking of hundreds of career military officers and lots of other things I could recount, that this is a real struggle.
Good point.

Though, on second thought, this might be working at a couple of levels.

The Republican politicians attacking Trump are likely, as you say, in a real struggle for their power and position, and likely view Trump as a serious threat.

But the Puppet Master Bastards who pull those politicians strings may well be expecting and content to have those attacks be publicly visible, as part of this act in their good vs evil drama, one act of many such.

The first problem I'd have with that theory is that I don't believe that all politicians and other influential people are all controlled by the same faction and are all ultimately working towards the same agenda. I think there are legitimate factional differences, and I mentioned those above, in regards to the CIA and Pentagon in particular.


I'm a bit slow today. I was reading through this thread a little more carefully than before and didn't remember that I'd already responded here until I scrolled down to my own posts.

Anyway, the racist stuff is really sickening.

People need to really listen to what Morgan Freeman says here:

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[ThePythonicCow]

The first problem I'd have with that theory is that I don't believe that all politicians and other influential people are all controlled by the same faction and are all ultimately working towards the same agenda. I think there are legitimate factional differences, and I mentioned those above, in regards to the CIA and Pentagon in particular.
It's layers, all the way down :).

There are legitimate factional differences.

There are more deep seated and powerful entities, "elite bastards", who manipulate, create, and destroy such differences.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

At the end of the day it comes down to love or fear. If there are layers then the top layer for me is the inherent intelligence of the universe itself, at a more fundamental level than any human being or even extraterrestrial. Do I believe that the universe has sinister intentions? No. Do I believe that the universe has "good" intentions? Not necessarily. I don't know that the universe really cares in that sense. Everything seems to be allowed. We, all of us together and the rocks and trees and planets and stars and empty space, all make up the universe as we know it. We all have power and we are all our own "layer," and we co-create this reality.

If enough people were in agreement to get something done, all working together, then we could be the top "layer" on Earth. Why not?

In other words I basically think that the idea of a sinister conspiracy at the "highest" level on Earth is disempowering and really doesn't do justice to the complexity of the situation and the responsibility that we each have individually for our own lives.

But aside from that I also believe that world politics are similarly complex and factional and have been throughout history. Saying that there is a war between "good and evil" sounds too simplistic to me but I think the underlying idea has some truth to it, somehow, somewhere, but we are all making this reality collectively. We should empower ourselves.