View Full Version : The manufacture of essentially all gun ammunition (the nitrocellulose in it) banned in the US
ThePythonicCow
1st September 2016, 00:05
Nitrocellulose is used to make smokeless gun powder, which is used in almost all manufactured gun ammunition in the United States.
The US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) just reclassified nitrocellulose as a high explosive. This imposes stringent regulations on how nitrocellulose is stored and transported in the US.
This essentially shuts down the manufacture of ammunition in the US, the way it has been done for decades. (Well, qualification -- I trust that ammo for the military and police and other Federal agencies will somehow continue to be available.)
I'd expect rapid shortages of ammunition and rapidly rising prices.
See further: Breaking News: Obama ATF Announces Backdoor Ammo Ban! (Conservative-Daily.com) (http://conservative-daily.com/2016/08/31/breaking-news-obama-atf-announces-backdoor-ammo-ban/) and ATF Reclassifies Nitrocellulose Without Shooting/Hunting Industry Input (OutDoorHub.com) (http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016/08/31/atf-reclassifies-nitrocellulose-without-industry-input/).
DeDukshyn
1st September 2016, 00:19
Interesting ... considering the alt headlines about all the seemingly inflated government purchases of ammo in the last 6 years or so ... I imagine that is where you were trying to go? :)
bluestflame
1st September 2016, 00:19
but didn't the us govt preemptively buy up millions of rounds of hollow point ammo earlier in the piece ?
DeDukshyn
1st September 2016, 00:20
but didn't the us govt preemptively buy up millions of rounds of hollow point ammo earlier in the piece ?
Part of what makes it interesting ...
Shannon
1st September 2016, 00:23
No bullets...kinda makes guns useless ...
This isnt right.
bluestflame
1st September 2016, 00:39
time for a new addition to the recipe book
salt pitre , woodchips ...
Jean-Marie
1st September 2016, 00:50
I remember after the Orlando shooting there was talk about Obama and the ATF banning all gun shows as of 11/4/2016. Does anyone know if that is still going to happen?
-jean-marie
ThePythonicCow
1st September 2016, 01:04
I remember after the Orlando shooting there was talk about Obama and the ATF banning all gun shows as of 11/4/2016. Does anyone know if that is still going to happen?
-jean-marie
My guess is "yes" ... the gun banning talk will continue to happen :).
This seems to be one of their common M.O.'s (methods of operation): loudly and repeatedly threaten you with armageddon (gun bans in this case), and then quietly stick a stiletto in your ribs (stop ammo manufacture).
shaberon
1st September 2016, 05:47
Hmm.
From end of 2nd article:
It’s worth noting that nothing major is likely to be affected by this policy change, since no major manufacturer has been contacted or notified of any such information. In addition, the ATF has granted waivers to ammunition manufactures in the past.
If anything, it's a storage/transport issue for wetted nitrocellulose, not quite a ban on ammunition. Every year there are a dozen or so ammunition bans before Congress and none of them go through. This seems a little more like a general safety concern, i. e., if you drive into a chemical truck, will it explode? If by this decree, the ingredient has to be sealed/processed a little more, it might lead to a small price increase.
Wouldn't seem to affect my ability to get 10,000 bullets out of Romania.
Also, if a gun/ammo ban is a concern, the reliable standby is a .44 or .50 black powder revolver: cash purchase/untraceable, six shots, and no nitrocellulose.
Keep in mind the vast number of ex-military folks who will never approve much about gun restrictions, and this bloc actually is important to a cadre of politicians, probably vastly more important than any non-serving civilians.
pyrangello
1st September 2016, 13:35
I remember seeing a story in the news when this president took office almost 8 years ago, The amount of ammo sold in his very first month in office in the US was 1 billion rounds sold to american citizens. I can only imagine how much ammo is stored here in the US over the last 100 years by my fellow Americans , probably would make you head spin.
giovonni
1st September 2016, 15:30
Couldn't resist ...
Am sure we won't run out.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee232/longdayjake/023.jpg
Gimme Back My Bullets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tEMZ0J-XwY
Lynyrd Skynyrd
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