What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?

[mgray]

What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?

Do we see grocery stores closing? Do we see other retailers like clothing stores and department stores closing up shops?

Are there shuttered storefronts on your Main St. shopping center where you bought a tool from the hardware store or dropped off your dry cleaning or bought fruits and vegetables?

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[yelik]

The water is definately near the top of te dam so it wont take much to tip it over for a slow grind to the bottom or if the dam breaks it will need to be hit with a big event.
Perhaps a Mid Oct Deutsche Bank collapses causing a domino effect. American dollar crashes.

Perhaps these are some of the other triggers:

https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/09/01/putin-prepares-nuclear-war-just-week-germany-prepares-attack.html

PUTIN PREPARES FOR NUCLEAR WAR JUST WEEK AFTER GERMANY PREPARES FOR ATTACK

SEPTEMBER 1, 2016

We have recently written about how Angela Merkel in Germany has encouraged her citizens to begin stockpiling food and provisions to protect themselves in the event of an “attack”.

Since, in the last week, the US State Department has issued an updated travel warning for Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza strip as well as Turkey.

And now, just this week, Russians are being awakened by the deafening noise of emergency war sirens as a simultaneous “military combat readiness check” took place for Russian soldiers from August 25th-31st according to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. Vladimir Putin ordered these readiness checks in the Southern, Western, and Central military districts.

He is also moving naval vessels into key spots within the Black and Caspian Seas and has “combat alert” troops as well as aviation equipment positioned at strategic, tactical, airfields along the Ukrainian border, ready for the “containment of a crisis situation” to use his words.

[Pam]

What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?

Do we see grocery stores closing? Do we see other retailers like clothing stores and department stores closing up shops?

Are there shuttered storefronts on your Main St. shopping center where you bought a tool from the hardware store or dropped off your dry cleaning or bought fruits and vegetables?

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That was a really insightful read. I do learn a lot from you and appreciate your input, mgray.

[TargeT]

What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?

Do we see grocery stores closing? Do we see other retailers like clothing stores and department stores closing up shops?

Are there shuttered storefronts on your Main St. shopping center where you bought a tool from the hardware store or dropped off your dry cleaning or bought fruits and vegetables?

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The government doesn't trust your website domain :P

so, I've got no clue what you said.

However, Here's what an economic collapse looks like, IMO (historically, and currently):

US created 151,000 jobs in August vs. 180,000 jobs expected

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That was largely because the biggest jobs gains came in bars and restaurants, which added 34,000 positions. Social assistance grew by 22,000, professional and business services added 22,000 and Wall Street-related positions grew by 15,000. Health care also contributed 14,000.
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/02/us-nonfarm-payrolls-august-2016.html

As an empire crumbles, bread and circus become the most profitable industries as everyone is trying to avoid facing the inevitable.

[RunningDeer]

From early spring to late summer, I’ve watched this one building be gutted and transformed from a new pitched roof, to siding and the surrounding grounds bulldozed.

What’s curious is how the business signs changed. Based on the rural area and the established businesses, I was surprised by the risk. The original indoor/outdoor flea market went from another new bank in the area, to a deli sandwich and dessert shop, to a competing bank, to now there’s no sign out front. It appears construction has come to a halt with the materials stacked and some 2x4 petition walls/counters up and others lean against the perimeters. Now and again, there are a few trucks on the site.

I’ve used it as a barometer of how the economy is going. That and along with the local mall, where there’s a turnover of stores and one building lay empty for three-four years running. The sparse parking lots for last couple of holiday seasons tell the story. Based on the foot traffic, the $5 store is a popular shopping spot for young families. Currently, the hot items are styrofoam surf boards, beach balls and a sundry of plastic stuff that’ll break before the florescent color fades.

It’s no longer uncommon to see for sale signs on one or two vehicles parked on the front lawn. And there's a few more folks with older model bikes riding around town.

To entice the McDonald’s customers, they now offer breakfast all day and most recent is the a huge banner across the lawn advertising lobster rolls. So far their ploy hasn't worked, at least with the lunch crowd. The parking lot is mostly filled with pigeons and sea gulls in wait for their mid-day meal.

[pyrangello]

Mgray, did you watch Simon parks interview from yesterday with Kerry Cassidy. The dots look like they are getting all connected especially when it comes to the bank in germany.

[mgray]

What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?

Do we see grocery stores closing? Do we see other retailers like clothing stores and department stores closing up shops?

Are there shuttered storefronts on your Main St. shopping center where you bought a tool from the hardware store or dropped off your dry cleaning or bought fruits and vegetables?

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That was a really insightful read. I do learn a lot from you and appreciate your input, mgray.

Thank you for the compliment, it is appreciated. I put something new up everyday M-F, if you like to visit.

[mgray]

Mgray, did you watch Simon parks interview from yesterday with Kerry Cassidy. The dots look like they are getting all connected especially when it comes to the bank in germany.

I just listened to the Simon Parks' interview with Kerry. He makes some connections to actual news events, which makes some of his Germany predictions seem plausible.

I have been speaking of Deutsche Bank's troubles for the last 12 months. There is a high-level meeting this weekend to try to figure out how the bank can survive.

[Bill Ryan]

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One answer might be here, in this very detailed article by economist Al Martin. It was originally written in 2004, referencing the Bush regime... but start reading at the top of page 5. It's all there. It reads like a movie script, and may well be accurate.

Protocols For Economic Collapse In America
http://projectavalon.net/Protocols_For_Economic_Collapse_In_America.pdf

[mgray]

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One answer might be here, in this very detailed article by economist Al Martin. It was originally written in 2004, referencing the Bush regime... but start reading at the top of page 5. It's all there. It reads like a movie script, and may well be accurate.

Protocols For Economic Collapse In America
http://projectavalon.net/Protocols_For_Economic_Collapse_In_America.pdf

What you posted Bill may have been or presently is the MO of some to collapse the economy. However, what I was writing on was the subtle, everyday events that some people may encounter that they don't take note of or even notice.

These small events taken in whole tell you more about how your local economy is functioning then what the stock or bond market is doing these days.

The struggles of those in the US who live maybe 200 miles or more from the ocean speaks volumes on the dire straits of the American economy. I use the distance from the shore as a way of distinguishing those Americans not living in the large cities.

Thanks for your input.

[parcival]

:cash::muscle:

[ozmirage]

What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?
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Can't be sure, but we're in the middle phase, now.
Growing poverty.
Higher taxes.
Larger deficits.
Loss of liberties.
Unemployment / underemployment.
Hyperinflation.
Debauched money.
Invasion by foreigners.
Corrupted foods.

[conk]

What does The beginning of an economic collapse look like?

Do we see grocery stores closing? Do we see other retailers like clothing stores and department stores closing up shops?

Are there shuttered storefronts on your Main St. shopping center where you bought a tool from the hardware store or dropped off your dry cleaning or bought fruits and vegetables?

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The government doesn't trust your website domain :P
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Yep, blocked for me too TT. What does a collapse look like? Look around, it's been ongoing for a few years. Slooooow motion.

[mgray]

Not sure why the feds don't like WordPress? It's a bloggers' tool website.

[TargeT]

It's a bloggers' tool website.

Exactly,,

The average person has nothing useful to tell the federal government, nor it's employees. (at least that is their attitudes.. it's very frustrating for me since a lot of what I want to look up for issues at work is in "blogs")

[Ines]

I´m not sure if this is relevant to this thread, but I think that it would help understand more the Financial "real" situation in the usa.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

[PathWalker]

Deutsche Bank is on the spotlight again

Latest Goolge news search on Deutsche Bank:
34274

The MSM is preparing us for Deutsche Bank collapse.
Following the financial MSM streams today Deutsche Bank is starring with many articles, laced doom & gloom, anticipated its crash and the political aftermath.

I am sensing we are preped up for an event soon, most likely in EU. And this could be the required distraction for the USG deep state to cancel the uncomfortable election.

[AutumnW]

Look at people's teeth. If you see a disproportionate number of people losing teeth, or obviously putting off having their teeth looked after, particularly after the age of 60, this is indicative to me that the economy, at least locally is under pressure.

[AutumnW]

Mgray, I know this is off topic and relates more to the article Bill Ryan posted. Nevertheless and sadly, I think some of the elites have positioned a 'strong man' to preside over a country that could descend into chaos and third world conditions.

As China and Russia strengthen, solidify their own ties with some major players in the Middle East, the American dollar could lose its exclusive reserve currency status and default on its loans. The implications for the U.S could be dire. Think too of the very real possibility of a world so completely fed up with the U.S. it is kicked out of NATO and embargoed.

It could happen. The U.S. may end up being regarded with all the respect afforded North Korea.

Prepare for isolation. The U.S doesn't have too much that other countries want. It imports much much more than it exports.

Is this why Trump has a shot at winning? Think of his isolationist message. Are 'they' preparing for massive defaults on U.S bonds held by other nations?

[norman]

And... let's not be naive enough to believe that if the 'system' collapses, that means the end of the 'cabal'. I know this is a popular idea among new-agers but the evidence is totally opposite.

The collapse of the Roman empire didn't stop them. There's absolutely no reason to think the collapse of the Anglo-American empire will either. It's a great time for people with wealth and power, and it serves them well, as a house cleaning operation where all their accidental liabilities get wiped clean and totally forgotten from history.

I live in a part of England that's been semi-collapsed since the 60s when all the local coal mining and steel working stopped. Obviously, with it being a region of a still functioning economy it wasn't a real collapse but most older folks around here are pretty well rehearsed for economic failure. My local town seems to have spent a lot of money on wishful thinking bill posters all over the fronts of empty shop spaces. The board fronts of these shops have very stylized images of trees and fancy architecture and wording that reminds me a lot of the affirmations my old hippy girlfriend used to write on the bathroom mirror in the 80s.

The starkest notion of all for me, regarding any plan to have a world war is that I'm pretty certain any plan to do that also includes the full intention for the Anglo American side to be the loser and who have to sign the surrender papers and forfeit everything we currently regard as the basis of our prosperous and 'educated' ways of living. In short, we were the crash test dummies of the technological revolution, and that's all. And ready for the landfill site now.

[PathWalker]

The initial run on the banks is starting with DB
http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2016/09/29/103980472-GettyImages-610888392.530x298.jpg
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-29/run-begins-deutsche-bank-hedge-fund-clients-cut-collateral-exposure

Deutsche Bank concerns just went to '11' as Bloomberg reports a number of funds that clear derivatives trades with Deutsche Bank AG have withdrawn some excess cash and positions held at the lender, a sign of counterparties’ mounting concerns about doing business with Europe’s largest investment bank.

While the vast majority of Deutsche Bank’s more than 200 derivatives-clearing clients have made no changes, some funds that use the bank’s prime brokerage service have moved part of their listed derivatives holdings to other firms this week, according to an internal bank document seen by Bloomberg News.



Millennium Partners, Capula Investment Management and Rokos Capital Management are among about 10 hedge funds that have cut their exposure, said a person familiar with the situation who declined to be identified talking about confidential client matters.

The hedge funds use Deutsche Bank to clear their listed derivatives transactions because they are not members of clearinghouses. Millennium, Capula and Rokos declined to comment when contacted by phone or e-mail.


Reading this it read very much like MSM fear porn, encouraging the circling sharks with fresh blood in the water.

[mgray]

Mgray, I know this is off topic and relates more to the article Bill Ryan posted. Nevertheless and sadly, I think some of the elites have positioned a 'strong man' to preside over a country that could descend into chaos and third world conditions.

As China and Russia strengthen, solidify their own ties with some major players in the Middle East, the American dollar could lose its exclusive reserve currency status and default on its loans. The implications for the U.S could be dire. Think too of the very real possibility of a world so completely fed up with the U.S. it is kicked out of NATO and embargoed.

It could happen. The U.S. may end up being regarded with all the respect afforded North Korea.

Prepare for isolation. The U.S doesn't have too much that other countries want. It imports much much more than it exports.

Is this why Trump has a shot at winning? Think of his isolationist message. Are 'they' preparing for massive defaults on U.S bonds held by other nations?

I would say that the pendulum is swinging back away from a globalism towards a more nationalistic theme. Brexit is a prime example of that move.

I don't believe Trump moves to isolationism, but sees that the US needs to take care of things at home first, which does not mean default on the debt, but curtailing spending overseas.

Bankrupting a company under US federal law is quite different than defaulting on US debt obligations. So I do not see that as a concern. We will probably see in the future a haircut on all sovereign across the board in some type of jubilee scenario, before any default happens.

As an aside, I think after the election the pollster will be shown how wrong they were in their assessment of the race.

A "YUGE" Trump win will show that their methodologies were flawed or biased. Whether it was that those polled did not wish to express support for Trump until the curtain close on the voter's booth or the pollsters own biases for Clinton will be worthy of debate.

[PathWalker]

Zerohedge just posted this article:
Bank of England Asks UK Banks To Detail Their Exposure To Deutsche And Italian Banks
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-26/bank-england-asks-uk-banks-detail-their-exposure-deutsche-and-italian-banks
Am I the only one spotting the circling sharks around?


In what may or may not be a coincidence, just hours after Bloomberg reported that DB launched a probe into whether it "misstated" derivatives, moments ago the FT reported that the Bank of England is seeking details from large British banks on their current exposure to Deutsche Bank and some of the biggest Italian banks, including Monte dei Paschi, "amid mounting market jitters over the health of Europe’s financial sector."

The FT notes that the request was made in recent weeks by the BoE’s Prudential Regulation Authority as investors sold off Deutsche and Monte dei Paschi, both of which have been the subject of scrutiny over their capital levels. Supervisors worldwide have attempted to curtail the links between large institutions since the 2008 banking crisis, when the collapse of Lehman Brothers and other big groups threatened to drag down the entire global financial system.

[PathWalker]

In addition to the above ^^^^ router just released this article:
Deutsche Bank to review valuations of inflation swaps: Bloomberg
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-deutsche-bank-derivatives-idUSKCN12Q279
http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20161026&t=2&i=1159067688&w=780&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC9P19M

Deutsche Bank AG (DBKGn.DE) is reviewing whether it misstated the value of derivatives in its interest-rate trading business, and is sharing its findings with the U.S. authorities, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.

The lender is looking at valuations on a type of derivative known as zero-coupon inflation swaps, Bloomberg reported on Wednesday. (bloom.bg/2eRLuHH)

After finding valuations that diverged from internal models, Deutsche Bank began questioning traders, according to the report.

Zero-coupon inflation swaps are derivatives whose pay-off depends on the rate of inflation in a given period.