Vladimir Putin (2010-2013)

[irishspirit]

SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea warned Monday that U.S.-South Korean cooperation could bring a nuclear war to the region, as the South began artillery drills amid lingering tension nearly three weeks after the North's deadly shelling of a South Korean island.

The South's naval live-fire drills are scheduled to run Monday through Friday at 27 sites. The regularly scheduled exercises are getting special attention following a North Korean artillery attack on front-line Yeonpyeong Island that killed two South Korean marines and two civilians

http://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-slams-west-wikileaks-arrest/story?id=12364345

[Zook]

SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea warned Monday that U.S.-South Korean cooperation could bring a nuclear war to the region, as the South began artillery drills amid lingering tension nearly three weeks after the North's deadly shelling of a South Korean island.

The South's naval live-fire drills are scheduled to run Monday through Friday at 27 sites. The regularly scheduled exercises are getting special attention following a North Korean artillery attack on front-line Yeonpyeong Island that killed two South Korean marines and two civilians

http://abcnews.go.com/International/putin-slams-west-wikileaks-arrest/story?id=12364345

Well ... if you've ever had nagging suspicions about Putin's connections to the Rothschild brand, this should give you an insight.

:typing:

ps: Communism was a Rothschild movement, that's documented fact (though one has to do a bit of labor to make the connection). Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin ... three puppets on a string to grease the transition from Communism to Globalism. You'll also find puppets to fill the gap between Fascism and Globalism; Capitalism and Globalism; Democratism and Globalism; Republicanism and Globalism; etc. From ISMs through CHAOS to a NWO. Humble opinions all around.

[giovonni]

i found this quite intriguing and telling about the elusive "Scarlet Pimpernel of Cyberspace" :rolleyes:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01685/JulianAssange2_1685386c.jpg

Wikileaks
Julian Assange wined and dined at US Embassy
Julian Assange was a guest at a US Embassy cocktail party less than a year ago.

By Andrew Gilligan 6:30AM GMT 13 Dec 2010

To the United States, Julian Assange may now be Public Enemy Number One. Some American politicians have even called for his execution.

But less than a year ago, the founder of WikiLeaks was officially entertained at a US Embassy cocktail party by one of the very diplomats whose secrets he would soon spill to the world.


At the reception, held at the US ambassador's residence in Reykjavik, Iceland, Mr Assange chatted with Sam Watson, the embassy's deputy chief of mission.

He was already sitting on dozens of Mr Watson's classified cables at the time of the December party, including embarrassing details about America's and Britain's role following the collapse of Iceland's banks which were later published to widespread outrage in the local media.

"He certainly had fun at the party," said Birgitta Jonsdottir, an Icelandic MP and former activist in WikiLeaks. "He went as my guest. I said it would be a bit of a prank to take him and see if they knew who he was. I don't think they had any idea."

Mr Assange's site had already published dozens of leaks embarrassing to the US, including secret Guantanamo Bay detainee handling manuals and the full emails of Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican vice-presidential candidate. The US State Department condemned the manuals' publication as "a criminal act."

Mr Assange went straight to the party from WikiLeaks' Icelandic base, known as "the bunker," where he was working on the release of a top-secret US Army video showing an attack on civilians in Iraq.

By the time of the party WikiLeaks had also already taken delivery of around 600,000 classified US Army logs from the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, released earlier this year, plus the 250,000 secret US embassy cables which it is releasing now.

"I thought it would be a bit boring to go on my own," said Ms Jonsdottir. "But the irony was that I went to collect him from his guesthouse and couldn't find him, so just went back to work and didn't even go myself. I found out later he'd just decided to go on his own and got in by saying he was my guest. He said he'd spent a long time talking to Mr Watson."

A confidential cable written by Mr Watson, published by WikiLeaks, detailed discussions between him and Ian Whiting, the British ambassador to Reykjavik.

Mr Whiting wanted to block a proposed to hold a referendum on whether Iceland should repay the British Government after many Britons lost money in the collapse of the Reykjavik bank Icesave.

After the collapse, the British government refunded individual savers in Icesave from its own deposit protection scheme. However, institutional savers, including many local authorities, have not been repaid, and Britain continues to seek full repayment from Iceland for them and for its own expenditure on individual savers.

The US embassy in Reykjavik declined to comment on Mr Assange's invitation.

Source;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8197890/Julian-Assange-wined-and-dined-at-US-Embassy.html

An endorsement :P
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01473/palin_1473975c.jpg
Sarah Palin has called for Assange to be hunted down

[Carmody]

when i think of people like Palin, I think of the term 'doorknob'.

'Tis fitting.

Doorknob: An incidental something, a something you grab and twist in order to gain access and passage through/by.

You put doorknobs on doors, in order to make the passage accessible. It can even be a locked one, with only one having the key.

Palin is a classic PTB doorknob. Easy to twist, limited development, loves to swing with the door/tide. Doorknob jobs do not involve thinking or being anything other than the access mechanism.

[str8thinker]

Interesting, Carmody, here in Australia we seem to have a PM like that.

[Zook]

when i think of people like Palin, I think of the term 'doorknob'.
'Tis fitting.
Doorknob: An incidental something, a something you grab and twist in order to gain access and passage through/by.
You put doorknobs on doors, in order to make the passage accessible. It can even be a locked one, with only one having the key.
Palin is a classic PTB doorknob. Easy to twist, limited development, loves to swing with the door/tide. Doorknob jobs do not involve thinking or being anything other than the access mechanism.

Ouch! You'll never get that job as her public relations manager, Carmy! That I can say as surely as wet is water and cold is ice.

Obama would be a door wedge ... to keep the door open at a certain angle.

Rahm Emanuel? How about the doorstop ... so the door don't swing too quickly and punch holes in the holding walls of the room inside?

:typing:

ps: In the picture above, why do I get the feeling that if she were to aim at China, people in Australia should duck for cover?

[Kulapops]

Yet again I wonder if we'll ever know the truth on this one, from start to finish. Interesting that she had a 'date' she couldn't contact and then found out later he went without her. Who's fooling who?

He could be a government operative or a genuine truthseeker, and I'll never know the difference.

[bluestflame]

http://alienshift.com/

"A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for President Medvedev by Russian Space Forces (VKS) 45th Division of Space Control says that an upcoming WikiLeaks release of secret US cables details that the Americans have been “engaged” since 2004 in a “war” against UFO’s based on or near the Continent of Antarctica, particularly the Southern Ocean."

mods if this is not quite in the right spot ....please , thankyou

(keywords)
WIKILEAKS, MARS, SPACE, TIME TRAVEL, ALIENS, UFO VIDEO, HAARP, POLE SHIFT, DISCLOSURE, ORION, 2012

[Zook]

Hi Bluestflame,


http://alienshift.com/
"A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for President Medvedev by Russian Space Forces (VKS) 45th Division of Space Control says that an upcoming WikiLeaks release of secret US cables details that the Americans have been “engaged” since 2004 in a “war” against UFO’s based on or near the Continent of Antarctica, particularly the Southern Ocean."
mods if this is not quite in the right spot ....please , thankyou
(keywords)
WIKILEAKS, MARS, SPACE, TIME TRAVEL, ALIENS, UFO VIDEO, HAARP, POLE SHIFT, DISCLOSURE, ORION, 2012

Yup. We will see and accept more and more National Enquirer tabloid-type stuff as Wikileaks slowly reconfigures our brains, which in the end will begin interpreting Justin Beiber (sp??) as the second rising of Elvis.

About UFOs, the Southern Ocean, and BattlePlanet Terractica, consider this ... if we had the capacity to reach another star system, and on approach to one of the planets in that star system detect broadcast signals of Gilligan's Island, would we think to engage the planet's inhabitants in an internecine conflict? Or would we send our emmisary down to the planet's surface with a bag of balloons, a helium cannister, and a stack of party hats?

:typing:

ps: Looks like Carol Rosin's warnings of a faked alien invasion ... are being played out.

[lightblue]

irishspirit:
Putin Slams West for Wikileaks' Assange Arrest

SEOUL, South Korea -- North Korea warned Monday that U.S.-South Korean cooperation could bring a nuclear war to the region, as the South began artillery drills amid lingering tension nearly three weeks after the North's deadly shelling of a South Korean island.

The South's naval live-fire drills are scheduled to run Monday through Friday at 27 sites. The regularly scheduled exercises are getting special attention following a North Korean artillery attack on front-line Yeonpyeong Island that killed two South Korean marines and two civilians

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=12364345




what does the opening post have to do with the thread title? by the way, that link is blind...and then zookumar carries on to state:


Well ... if you've ever had nagging suspicions about Putin's connections to the Rothschild brand, this should give you an insight.

ps: Communism was a Rothschild movement, that's documented fact (though one has to do a bit of labor to make the connection). Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin ... three puppets on a string to grease the transition from Communism to Globalism. You'll also find puppets to fill the gap between Fascism and Globalism; Capitalism and Globalism; Democratism and Globalism; Republicanism and Globalism; etc. From ISMs through CHAOS to a NWO. Humble opinions all around.

you don't illustrate putin's connection with the rothschilds very well at all...how are the representatives of rothschileds clan immersed in present day russsia? the references you give are historical and are intersting, but they don't necesserily bear relevence to present ...please explain...also please explain how does your comment tie in with the opening post?

what'e everyone on about here? thanks l


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[Luke]

Again the "wizards of oz" are playing their "lets play their emotions" game.

And people are swallowing it line, hook and sinker as always.

Sadly, even for so called "aware ones".. logic is fairy tale creature. They will swap it for any emotionally-charged pretty picture any nanosecond.

You can only con a con man. You are getting precisely what you deserves. There are no contradictions, only false premises.

And few little wizards are making billions dance .. nice show, and what a mind-job.

[lightblue]

luke:
Re: Putin Slams West for Wikileaks' Assange Arrest

Again the "wizards of oz" are playing their "lets play their emotions" game.

And people are swallowing it line, hook and sinker as always.

Sadly, even for so called "aware ones".. logic is fairy tale creature. They will swap it for any emotionally-charged pretty picture any nanosecond.

You can only con a con man. You are getting precisely what you deserves. There are no contradictions, only false premises.

And few little wizards are making billions dance .. nice show, and what a mind-job.




sorry luke, what's this in response of? thanks l


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[Luke]

sorry luke, what's this in response of? thanks l
That was just a general thought concerning whole situation and what people make out of it. Or rather what they are not capable of through all this millenia. Which includes me myself actually.. since I'm still here :P

[lightblue]

That was just a general thought concerning whole situation and what people make out of it.-----------------
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again, i am not getting it - in response to what situation? to putin's slamming the west for assange arrest, or what? still don't get where and how did putin "slam" west for assange arrest either...what is everyone on about here? :blink: thanks l


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[Luke]

situation:
(1) site dedicated to spreading anonymously "dropped" files publishing them
(2) System counter-action against public face of organization in (1), given him dropping the guard in quite silly way.
(3) authorities (or shall I say, Archons) reaction to (1)&(2).. completely predictable given rules of Realpolitik.
(4) People going all warm and fuzzy because they see effects of (3) while being completely oblivious that it is just scripted part of the game, played AGAINST them, by relatively few players (13 or 200 people or whatever against 6 billion and they WIN!)
(5) In general, nothing really changes, despite FEELING of change. Seems naked emperors become so common views that only thing people are concerned with is the size of you-know-what he possesses. People had their daily jolt of Soma, and they can move along. Next instalment of the show tomorrow on the same hour, stay tuned.

[lightblue]

situation:
(1) site dedicated to spreading anonymously "dropped" files publishing them
(2) System counter-action against public face of organization in (1), given him dropping the guard in quite silly way.
(3) authorities (or shall I say, Archons) reaction to (1)&(2).. completely predictable given rules of Realpolitik.
(4) People going all warm and fuzzy because they see effects of (3) while being completely oblivious that it is just scripted part of the game, played AGAINST them, by relatively few players (13 or 200 people or whatever against 6 billion and they WIN!)
(5) In general, nothing really changes, despite FEELING of change. Seems naked emperors become so common views that only thing people are concerned with is the size of you-know-what he possesses. People had their daily jolt of Soma, and they can move along. Next instalment of the show tomorrow on the same hour, stay tuned.


you mean putin is involved in all this?


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[Zook]

Good morning Lightblue, the Earth says hello!


irishspirit:
what does the opening post have to do with the thread title? by the way, that link is blind...and then zookumar carries on to state:
you don't illustrate putin's connection with the rothschilds very well at all...how are the representatives of rothschileds clan immersed in present day russsia? the references you give are historical and are intersting, but they don't necesserily bear relevence to present ...please explain...also please explain how does your comment tie in with the opening post?
what'e everyone on about here? thanks l



FWIW, I did write that it would take some labor to make the connection from the Rothschilds to Putin. Knowledge itself is free but the brain requires an expenditure of glucose to find and process knowledge. If you're willing to spend the sugar, I'll guide you through the dots that I've been able to discover and connect. Be aware that unless you're already deep into the rabbit hole, the underlying political reality is going to come at you like a dragging tortoise (perhaps a sprinting turtle) ... but not the springing hare.

Here's a link to get you started. There are some inaccuracies (e.g. the website states that David Rockefeller is a Rothschild, but perhaps he meant Rothschild associate or agent; stuff like that which is largely trivial, after all, both the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds work for the same crime syndicate).

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

Btw, if you don't trust the material at Daryl Bradford Smith - you can find the same essential info elsewhere - in bits and pieces. However, finding the pieces and arranging them correctly could take you a few months of intense research (at a minimum). I'm just giving you a crash course here. And Mr. Smith's website contains much of the required basic understanding.

:typing:

ps: The short answer is that the Soviet Empire was a Zionist Occupied Government. When the Soviet ZOG broke up into little pieces courtesy of Perestroika and Glasnost, it merely changed its form but not its function.

[Rocky_Shorz]

they set bail for him so he can be free until the Trial...

Thanks Putin...

We're really curious if he has anything we don't know about...

soon we'll find out...

[lightblue]

FWIW, I did write that it would take some labor to make the connection from the Rothschilds to Putin. Knowledge itself is free but the brain requires an expenditure of glucose to find and process knowledge. If you're willing to spend the sugar, I'll guide you through the dots that I've been able to discover and connect. Be aware that unless you're already deep into the rabbit hole, the underlying political reality is going to come at you like a dragging tortoise (perhaps a sprinting turtle) ... but not the springing hare.

Here's a link to get you started. There are some inaccuracies (e.g. the website states that David Rockefeller is a Rothschild, but perhaps he meant Rothschild associate or agent; stuff like that which is largely trivial, after all, both the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds work for the same crime syndicate).

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBr...Rothschild.htm
Btw, if you don't trust the material at Daryl Bradford Smith - you can find the same essential info elsewhere - in bits and pieces. However, finding the pieces and arranging them correctly could take you a few months of intense research (at a minimum). I'm just giving you a crash course here. And Mr. Smith's website contains much of the required basic understanding.


ps: The short answer is that the Soviet Empire was a Zionist Occupied Government. When the Soviet ZOG broke up into little pieces courtesy of Perestroika and Glasnost, it merely changed its form but not its function.



i am not that interested to do a thorough research on that..what i wanted to know is how you find a connection rothschild - putin/present day russia as obvious as you make it sound....

also what's that got to do with putin "slamming west for assange arrest...thanks l

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[Zook]

Good morning Lightblue, the Earth says hello!


i am not that interested to do a thorough research on that..what i wanted to know is how you find a connection rothschild - putin/present day russia as obvious as you make it sound....


It's obvious when you're at my level of research. It is obviously not obvious at your level of research. You, a Cantonese speaker, are asking me, a Mandarin bilingual, to translate Mandarin for you, with Mandarin being ten times more complex (for metaphorical purposes only, so actual Cantonese speakers need not feel offended and actual Mandarin speakers, coronated).

To compress that much complexity is impossible without losing large chunks of narrative. Add to that, the time required for translation ... well ... let`s just say the explainee needs to make as much a commitment to the knowledge as the explainer; and both, as the explanation requires. To wit, the connection between the Putin servant and the Rothschild mansion will only become obvious with commitment.

That being said, let's see if we can't get a general understanding first. Here's an URL to get those seriously interested in the Rothschild divide and conquer charade that abounds, and surrounds:

http://www.henrymakow.com/putins_russia_is_also_illumina.html




also what's that got to do with putin "slamming west for assange arrest...thanks l
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Part of the charade, I'm afraid. Wikileaks is a bonafide Baphomet honest-to-badness Rothschild operation. That most here on Avalon - as judged by the results of the Wikileaks poll (poorly-worded, to be sure, but which still reveals the hidden-head ostrich pattern) - still give credence to Wikileaks ... just confirms that cognitive dissonance happens to the best of us. Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

ps: Btw, I include myself in the ciriticism. My own cognitive dissonance is arrived by wasting three hours at a time on broadcast sports ... three hours that could be better spent bettering myself with spiritual and material knowledge.

[lightblue]

It's obvious when you're at my level of research. It is obviously not obvious at your level of research. You, a Cantonese speaker, are asking me, a Mandarin bilingual, to translate Mandarin for you, with Mandarin being ten times more complex (for metaphorical purposes only, so actual Cantonese speakers need not feel offended and actual Mandarin speakers, coronated).

To compress that much complexity is impossible without losing large chunks of narrative. Add to that, the time required for translation ... well ... let`s just say the explainee needs to make as much a commitment to the knowledge as the explainer; and both, as the explanation requires. To wit, the connection between the Putin servant and the Rothschild mansion will only become obvious with commitment.

That being said, let's see if we can't get a general understanding first. Here's an URL to get those seriously interested in the Rothschild divide and conquer charade that abounds, and surrounds:

http://www.henrymakow.com/putins_rus..._illumina.html


you mean this thread is a discussion amongst the committed researchers of putin-rothschileds connection? and i don't belong in that club..and unless i did some committed resaearch i won't know what you are on about? :blink:




Part of the charade, I'm afraid. Wikileaks is a bonafide Baphomet honest-to-badness Rothschild operation. That most here on Avalon - as judged by the results of the Wikileaks poll (poorly-worded, to be sure, but which still reveals the hidden-head ostrich pattern) - still give credence to Wikileaks ... just confirms that cognitive dissonance happens to the best of us. Humble opinions all around.




You mean baphomet as in bulgakov’s "master and margarita"?


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[Zook]

you mean this thread is a discussion amongst the committed researchers of putin-rothschileds connection? and i don't belong in that club..and unless i did some committed resaearch i won't know what you are on about? :blink:


Not at all. But you wouldn't want to get on stage while a classical orchestra is performing and - with one hand cupped under the opposite armpit - begin offering your own interpretations of The Blue Danube ... would you?

:jester:




You mean baphomet as in bulgakov’s "master and margarita"?
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I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular piece. I just went to Wiki - the paedia, not the dripping leaks - and it says the novel is one of the greatest of the 20th century ... I'll definitely have to catch a movie version or have myself a read! Sounds very interesting. I assume it has Faustian themes. In any event, the black cat is apparently called Behemoth. So I assume you are referring to the black cat. If so ... yes, more or less.

:typing:

[Luke]

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that particular piece. I just went to Wiki - the paedia, not the dripping leaks - and it says the novel is one of the greatest of the 20th century ... I'll definitely have to catch a movie version or have myself a read! Sounds very interesting. I assume it has Faustian themes. In any event, the black cat is apparently called Behemoth. So I assume you are referring to the black cat. If so ... yes, more or less.
I wholehearty suggest reading the book.. the nuances are impossible to translate to an movie....

[lightblue]

Not at all. But you wouldn't want to get on stage while a classical orchestra is performing and - with one hand cupped under the opposite armpit - begin offering your own interpretations of The Blue Danube ... would you?

i don't have interpretations - which is why i asked where and how did "Putin Slamed West for Wikileaks' Assange Arrest!"...so i still have no idea what is the point of this thraad.. you may call it a lack of my education, but i think this thread is full of beans...i won't be coming back here.. sincerely :yu: l


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[Zook]

Hello, Lights,


i don't have interpretations - which is why i asked where and how did "Putin Slamed West for Wikileaks' Assange Arrest!"...so i still have no idea what is the point of this thraad.. you may call it a lack of my education, but i think this thread is full of beans...i won't be coming back here.. sincerely :yu: l

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You'll be glad to know that the jester icon (that I had attached to my classical orchestra metaphor) has been put on notice. Any more bad performances on his part ... and he'll be sacked, Christmas or no Christmas!

That being said, I think you're being a bit hasty with your reaction. You came in here questioning at least two things (1) my certitude of a Putin-Rothschild connection; and (2) the relevancy of such a connection to this thread.

As far as (1), I basically agreed with you in that nothing is obvious about the connection. I as much stated that a certain amount of labor is required; moreover, that if you were willing to do the labor, I'd be willing to assist you with what I know. To this, your response was that you didn't want to be bothered with the effort; just the result. Being pattern-oriented (hey, I'm just a metaphorical guy!), I rejoindered that 10-point Mandarin can't be compressed into 1-point Cantonese (without losing chunks of narrative). You returned by characterizing mine as the stuff of intellectual snobbery! Astounded, and sent reeling by the punch in the proverbial gut (ain't hyperbole just the coolest thing!) ... well, a bit annoyed but nothing that a chuckle couldn't fix ... I rejoindered in my turn with the classical orchestra metaphor. I thought it was funny. I thought that you would have thought it was funny. I thought that you would've thought that I would've thought that you would've thought it was funny. Wait a sec ... I'm losing my thoughts here. Anyways, the jester icon let me down; more importantly, it let you down. And that's where were at. Fair enough. No big deal, if one doesn't like the heat of the kitchen, then perhaps one should away from this thread (as you've decided).

For (2), a proper understanding of the Putin-Rothschild connection; coupled with a proper understanding of the Rothschild-Wikileaks connectionS ... yields a proper understanding of the Putin-Wikileaks connection (via the transitive field property).

:typing:

ps: In view of the lurking monstrosity known as intellectual snobbery, I offer an extra case of humble opinions to be shared all around.

ps2: I must say it gets a bit exhausting being made to feel bad for trying to do something good.

[norman]

........Anyways, the jester icon let me down; more importantly, it let you down. And that's where were at. Fair enough. No big deal, if one doesn't like the heat of the kitchen, then perhaps one should away from this thread (as you've decided).......

For (2), a proper understanding of the Putin-Rothschild connection; coupled with a proper understanding of the Rothschild-Wikileaks connectionS ... yields a proper understanding of the Putin-Wikileaks connection (via the transitive field property).

:typing:

ps: In view of the lurking monstrosity known as intellectual snobbery, I offer an extra case of humble opinions to be shared all around.

ps2: I must say it gets a bit exhausting being made to feel bad for trying to do something good.





No Zook ( that's the only bit of your shield name I can spell right ), you just keep right along with your jollities of literate athleticism and as long as you also pierce the gossamer sheath of "safe lies" and impregnate the virgins with a truthful motherhood you are doing a Stallion job, mate.

[irishspirit]

The Tsar of Russia, Vladimir Putin, has issued a decree calling for Microsoft to be taken off all government computers and replaced by Linux.

While weirdie beardie open saucers will be cheering, it is worthwhile to point out that Tsar Putin is jolly cross with Microsoft at the moment.

For a while he had a cracking good method of dealing with people who didn't like him much.

Coppers would appear on the doorstep of foreign NGOs or dissident organisations and say that they believed that computers in the organisation were using pirated Microsoft software. To make sure everything was pirated, the coppers would take all the computer gear out of an organisation and make it unable to function.

Microsoft was not aware of the crackdown and when it found out it was furious. What it did was give such groups free licences which meant that Putin's coppers were powerless to nick the computer gear.


Read more: http://www.techeye.net/software/tsar-putin-orders-microsoft-off-government-computers#ixzz19Rb6mnp1

[Butangeld]

Good news for Open Source people like myself:)

Makes sense that a government would want to be able to view the source code behind their vital computer systems.

I guess the only way forward here for Microsoft would be for them to open-source their own code...now that would be a surprise!

[Zook]

Good morning Irishspirit, the Earth says hello!


The Tsar of Russia, Vladimir Putin, has issued a decree calling for Microsoft to be taken off all government computers and replaced by Linux.


Good Cop. Bad Cop. A little research into the background of Microsoft (e.g. it's a front organization for IBM, whose founder Thomas Watson was a Nazi supporter and eugenicist) ... and the background of Putin (e.g. the KGB was the "CIA" of the USSR; the USSR was created by the bankster empire which moved in and replaced the old Russian aristocratic order after Tsar Nicholas refused to allow a central bank in his country, e.g. Putin rose from the ranks of the KGB and is quintessential Rothschild seed-to-plant in the same way that Napoleon was earlier in French and European history:
http://www.scarletandthebeast.com/volonechapreview.htm


beginExcerpt
Chapter 7: The Jewish Connection. Latter half of 18th century, Gentile Freemason Gotthold Lessing and Jewish Freemason Moses Mendelssohn promote revolution through media; Jacob Frank’s assault on orthodox Judaism; Reform Judaism born (1800s); Reform Judaism makes pact with Grand Orient Freemasonry; Rothschild and English Freemasonry (1801); Templar Freemasonry raises Napoleon to power (1799); Sion and English Freemasonry oppose Napoleon; Rothschild finances Napoleon against monarchs and finances monarchs against Napoleon; French Grand Lodge and French Grand Orient both accept Scottish Rite degrees (1801); Scottish Rite, so-called Jewish Rite, is Synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9; according to Scripture, Scottish Rite is not controlled by Jews, but by Gentiles who claim to be Jews, but are not.
end


... do the required research (e.g. multiple resources; cross-references; dot connections; etc.) ... and you'll find that Bill Gates and Vlad The Impostor are both puppet dictators working for the Rothschild bankster empire: one corporate, one political.



While weirdie beardie open saucers will be cheering, it is worthwhile to point out that Tsar Putin is jolly cross with Microsoft at the moment. For a while he had a cracking good method of dealing with people who didn't like him much. Coppers would appear on the doorstep of foreign NGOs or dissident organisations and say that they believed that computers in the organisation were using pirated Microsoft software. To make sure everything was pirated, the coppers would take all the computer gear out of an organisation and make it unable to function.
Microsoft was not aware of the crackdown and when it found out it was furious. What it did was give such groups free licences which meant that Putin's coppers were powerless to nick the computer gear.
Read more: http://www.techeye.net/software/tsar-putin-orders-microsoft-off-government-computers#ixzz19Rb6mnp1

Coppers, yes ... but Good Cop and Bad Cop in opposite partitions in the revolving Rothschild Empire hotel door.

:smow::typing::smow::smow:

ps: I have my laptop partitioned with Suse Linux 11.0 and Windows Vista. I prefer Linux but its audio/video codecs support is limited, IME. I'm sure it's there for the dedicated user, but many of the important software packages are compromised by copyright laws to be of much use for the average user. Maybe. I'll see if the latest Suse distribution has overcome the limitations. Btw, what is the best linux distro out there ... anyone have an idea? And do those that use linux prefer Gnome or KD4? I have KD4.

ps2: Humble opinions from a wierdie beardie flying on a dinner plate! :jester:

[Kra]

I guess the only way forward here for Microsoft would be for them to open-source their own code...now that would be a surprise!

That will never happen.




ps: I have my laptop partitioned with Suse Linux 11.0 and Windows Vista. I prefer Linux but its audio/video codecs support is limited, IME. I'm sure it's there for the dedicated user, but many of the important software packages are compromised by copyright laws to be of much use for the average user. Maybe. I'll see if the latest Suse distribution has overcome the limitations. Btw, what is the best linux distro out there ... anyone have an idea? And do those that use linux prefer Gnome or KD4? I have KD4.


I must contradict you, Linux's audio / video codecs support is not limited at all. You must of course install them. I used many linux distributions over time (some i just tried) some of them Gentoo, Slackware, RedHat and Fedora, *buntu, mandriva, SuSE, Arch are just a few and i've been using debian for some years (in a geek way not just for basic stuff). On debian i have everything i want and need on a Linux box, including the necessary audio / video codecs among many many other things. There isn't a media file that i can't play. I don't even know how to express the things that can be done on and with a Linux system (as a pure Linux user i always feel the need to say this). As for the "best" linux distribution... there isn't any "best" linux distro. Depends on what you need what you like and how you like it. I used to use kde 3.5.x but since kde4.x i switched to gnome and xfce4. Both are faster than kde4... kde4 is too heavy too eye candy and too slow compared to gnome or xfce4. I use xfce4 more and although is more lite, it can be configured to look pretty nice. And i apologize for my way of writing (rush style).

[ktlight]

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has criticized NATO over its military intervention in Libya, saying the West has violated the UN mandate by trying to kill Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi.


"They said they didn't want to kill Gaddafi. Now some officials say, yes, we are trying to kill Gaddafi. Who permitted this, was there any trial? Who took on the right to execute this man, no matter who he is?" Reuters quoted Putin as saying on Tuesday.

Putin's remarks come a day after NATO warplanes targeted a building inside Gaddafi's compound in the Libyan capital Tripoli.

After talks with his Danish counterpart Lars Lokke Rasmussen in Copenhagen, the Russian premier said the so-called civilized societies have ganged up against Libya.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/176906.html

[ktlight]

Russia's Premier Vladimir Putin says Libya's oil resources have been the main objective of the NATO-led military campaign in the North African country.


The comments come as the US has made efforts to reach oil deals with Libyan revolutionary forces.

Putin said the NATO campaign has raised questions about the objectives of Western countries engaged in waging attacks against Libya.

"Libya has the biggest oil resources in Africa and the fourth largest gas resources. It raises the question: isn't this the main object of interest to those operating there?" said Putin.

He added that the international community should abide by the law and act with concern for peaceful civilians.

Last month, Russia abstained in the UN Security Council vote to authorize military operations in Libya.

Putin called the UN resolution "a call for a crusade."

Dozens of civilians and revolutionary fighters have also been killed in Libya since the Western military alliance launched aerial attacks on the North African country.

NATO has recently admitted to killing revolutionary fighters and civilians in an airstrike in Libya but has refused to apologize for the deadly bombardment.

Experts say the main motive behind the Western attack on Libya is the vast oil reserves in the North African country. This is the biggest Western military intervention in the Arab world since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177043.html

[Tangri]

Russia's Premier Vladimir Putin says Libya's oil resources have been the main objective of the NATO-led military campaign in the North African country.


The comments come as the US has made efforts to reach oil deals with Libyan revolutionary forces.

Putin said the NATO campaign has raised questions about the objectives of Western countries engaged in waging attacks against Libya.

"Libya has the biggest oil resources in Africa and the fourth largest gas resources. It raises the question: isn't this the main object of interest to those operating there?" said Putin.

He added that the international community should abide by the law and act with concern for peaceful civilians.

Last month, Russia abstained in the UN Security Council vote to authorize military operations in Libya.

Putin called the UN resolution "a call for a crusade."

Dozens of civilians and revolutionary fighters have also been killed in Libya since the Western military alliance launched aerial attacks on the North African country.

NATO has recently admitted to killing revolutionary fighters and civilians in an airstrike in Libya but has refused to apologize for the deadly bombardment.

Experts say the main motive behind the Western attack on Libya is the vast oil reserves in the North African country. This is the biggest Western military intervention in the Arab world since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177043.html
I think they are after same thing with same intent at Iraq invasion. First they thought Libya gave it to the Iraq,
but they could not find it, then they are assuming Libya still has it.

Wrong They will not get it from there either:rolleyes:

[ktlight]

FYI:

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin says the United States is feeding on the world economy like a “parasite” by building up an unsustainable debt that threatens the global financial system.


In an address to a group of pro-Kremlin youths attending a summer camp north of Moscow on Monday, Putin accused the US of acting like a “parasite” by accumulating tremendous debts that have jeopardized global markets, AFP reported.

“The country is living in debt. It is not living within its means, shifting the weight of responsibility on other countries and in a way acting as a parasite,” Putin said.

On Sunday, US President Barack Obama announced a last-minute agreement reached by members of Congress to raise the country's public debt limit, which will allow Washington to avoid its first default in history while enforcing a painful economic austerity plan on US citizens.

The Russian prime minister censured the United States' foreign exchange policy and stated that the world should begin using reserve currencies other than the dollar for trade and savings.

“If the US encounters a systemic malfunction, this affects everyone,” Putin noted, adding, “There should be other reserve currencies.”

Putin said that the debt deal announced by Obama “was not that great overall because it simply delayed the adoption of a more systemic solution.”

The agreement came after interminable wrangling on Capitol Hill on the period of time the country would need to lift the debt limit to avoid a default on its staggering $14.3 trillion debt.

The US officially hit its debt ceiling on May 16, with the prospect of a default threatening to increase interest rates, devalue the dollar, and jolt economies across the world.

Washington owes about 47 percent of the money to foreigners. The biggest creditors are China, Japan, and the United Kingdom.

source
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/191894.html

[GlassSteagallfan]

24 September 2011

Vladimir Putin has taken the world by surprise, announcing not only his own candidacy for President of Russia, but also Dmitri Medvedev’s parallel candidacy for Prime Minister, outflanking London's divide-and-conquer strategy. Now the United States must reciprocate Putin’s bold move, by giving the British Empire a little surprise of our own: the immediate removal of Obama from the Presidency.

Video 10:19 minutes

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/19574

[Czarek]

“Prepare for Armageddon.”


Most frightening of everything in this FSB report, however, is the reply Putin gave to Russia’s top generals yesterday when asked what preparations should be made and he answered…. “Prepare for Armageddon.”

We will do it with or without you, US tells Pakistan

Armageddon (commonly known as the battle against the anti-Christ) according to the Bible, is the site of a battle during the end times, variously interpreted as either a literal or symbolic location. The term is also used in a generic sense to refer to any end-of-the-world scenario.

According to some Muslim and Christian interpretations, the Messiah will return to earth and defeat the Antichrist, Satan the Devil, in the battle of Armageddon. According to the Muslim belief, it would be Imam Mehdi who would precede Prophet Jesus who would fight the one eyed beast called Dajjal (Anti Christ).

Then Satan will be put into the “bottomless pit” or abyss for 1,000 years, known as the Millennial Age. After being released from the abyss, Satan will gather Gog and Magog (peoples of two specific nations) from the four corners of the earth. They will encamp surrounding the “holy ones” and the “beloved city” (this refers to Jerusalem). Fire will come down from God, out of heaven and devour Gog and Magog after the Millennium.

According to the Muslim belief, the forces to battle the one eyed beast would rise from the area of Khurasan that comprises of portion of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and part of Central Asia. If the anti-Christ forces have assembled in Afghanistan, it’s not a coincidence but well thought out Zionist strategy to take on Pakistan, the nuclear power of the Muslim world so its free to advance other Muslim territories without any fear.

Most historians and scholars believe that the present stretching of the US and NATO Forces far and beyond their legitimate areas of interests, is a sign of final showdown. The placement of US forces in Afghanistan is seen as the final buildup to attack the Muslim lands. This could well become the graveyard of the US troops from where they may never escape death.

Presently, the grouping of pro and anti Christ Forces is seen to be taking place. The US and NATO clearly appear to be on the side of the Anti-Christ and siding with the Zionists the real anti-Christ Forces. Zionists are known to be Satan worshipers in their secret hideouts therefore are working to create a godless world and control the entire resources.

Sensing these developments, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin prior to his departure for China, cautioned his generals to prepare for Armageddon. A similar message was also delivered to the Chinese leadership that has the Chinese Forces also on high alert. Apparently in the same context, Putin has resolved all differences with China to forge a clear unity for times ahead.

Sino-Russian alliance is very timely, seeing the hard threatening statements of Hillary Clinton that she fired at Pakistan from Kabul before flying to Islamabad is very alarming. Pakistan has some hard decisions to make.

Commander William Guy Carr, in his book ‘Pawns In The Game’ probably written in 1948 stated that third revolution and third world war are in the offing for which the grouping is taking place. He also stated categorically that the third world war would be against Islam.

Plans for this “Total Global War” or the war against Islam the Americans are preparing to launch were first revealed to China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) by a former Blackwater agent Bryan Underwood who has been apprehended by the US authorities for spying.

If one observes the way the US and NATO are waging their wars in Muslim countries proves William Carr to be correct.

Blackwater, the global contractor for CIA is operating in almost all the target countries, arrest of Raymond Davis in Pakistan did expose the US designs; had he been retained and grilled for some indefinite time, much more would have been revealed. Pakistan is infested with Blackwater, they have made inroads in ethnic political parties more so in Karachi, the port city of Pakistan. Balochistan has also become a hotbed where secessionists forces are being patronized by CIA, MI6, Mossad and RAW. As believed now, the US has also launched biological warfare in Pakistan where dengue is killing people on daily basis.

On reading the situation of the coming US plans for Total Global War, Putin spelt out an alliance to integrate the former Soviet Republics into closer cooperation. He scheduled an emergency trip to China to meet with Hu, and ordered the FSB (Russian Agency) to notify China’s MSS of the arrest and detention of their spy Tun Sheniyun who was captured last year for attempting to steal sensitive information on Russia’s most powerful anti-aircraft system.

Today Libya has fallen, how the Libyans would benefit from it only time would tell but one thing is sure that US and her allies have formed a bridgehead in Africa. Further deployment of the US troops in Africa are taking place, its China encirclement there where China has friends in the Muslim countries. Sudan has been split, and Obama plans to occupy some other countries like Uganda, Somalia, Morocco etc.

In Africa, says Obama, the “humanitarian mission” is to assist the government of Uganda defeat the Lord’s resistance Army (LRA), which “has murdered, raped and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women and children in central Africa”. Incidentally, Africa also happens to be the Chinese success story therefore by taking over Africa, China would also be chocked. Libya was one of the major oil suppliers to China now that hangs in air. Gaddafi was trying to dump dollar for gold that instigated the US to attack her through a cleverly manipulated and orchestrated moves.

After having been deceived in Libya where the US assured both Russia and China that it will not attack but did quite contrary to what was promised. Sensing that US plans to attack Syria, Russia and China were quick to veto the American resolution in the security council that infuriated the US Ambassador Susan Rice who left the session in rage.

Dick Cheney pointed out in his 1990s “defence strategy” plan, America simply wishes to rule the world so that’s forging ahead following the Nixonian doctrine, ‘seize the moment.’

Reported by the EU Times, the “New Great Game” moves being planned by the Americans is to strike fear into both Russia and China that includes:

1.) The deliberate implosion of both the US and EU economies in order to destroy the Global Financial System that has been in place since the ending of World War II

2.) The launching of a massive conventional war by the US and EU on the North American, African and Asian Continents to include the Middle East

3.) During this all-out war the deliberate releasing of bio-warfare agents meant to kill off millions, if not billions, of innocent civilians

4.) At the height of this war the US and its allies will sue for peace and call for a new global order to be established in order to prevent the total destruction of our planet.

Confirming the fears, an unidentified source within the US Department of Defense (DOD) warned that the Obama regime was preparing for a massive “tank-on-tank” war and that US military forces are “expecting something conventional, and big, coming down the pipe relatively soon.”

To how close this war may be the FSB in their report states that it will be “much sooner than later” as the Americans have pre-positioned in Iraq nearly 2,000 of their M1 Abrams main battle tanks, have pre-positioned another 2,000 of them in Afghanistan, and between the Middle East and Asia have, likewise, put into these war theaters tens-of-thousands of other typed armored vehicles. This should be a grave cause of concern for Pakistan.

Being at war, the US can also effect “Full Mobilization” of over 1.5 million American reserve forces which can occur at “at a moment’s notice” for which US needs no Congressional approval to expand their areas of operation is also being examined when America is fully poised to advance in Asia and Middle East.

Now that Hillary Clinton is on her Pakistan visit accompanied by the new CIA Chief, David Petraeus, Chairman US Joint Staff, General Martin Dempsey and Marc Grossman. Keeping the armoured buildup in the region and having an Armour Officer as the new Chairman of Joint Staff, could one say it a coincidence or a planned strategy?

Hillary, as expected that I mentioned in my CNBC News analysis on 19th October, has arrived with a tough warning for Pakistan, saying, “We will do it with or without you.” This has certainly placed Pakistan in a very trying situation. Pakistan has other options to join the third force that is in formation led by Russia and China to counter the US moves in the region.

If Pakistan, Iran, Syria and other Muslim states including Saudi Arabia join this alliance, that would certainly deter the US and her allies, if not then every Muslim country would fall one after the other without exception and their assets would be frozen.

Important to note about the American plan for global domination through massive warfare is that it is not really a secret, and as (curiously) revealed on the tenth anniversary of the 11 September attacks upon the United States when the US National Security Archive released a memo written by former US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in September 2001 wherein he warned “If the war does not significantly change the world’s political map, the US will not achieve its aim.”

To what the “aim” of the United States is as their war against the world has now entered its 10th year, the FSB says, is to prevent “at all costs” the implosion of the US Dollar as the main reserve currency of the present global economic system before the West’s envisioned “New World Order” can be established.

The first threat to the Americans “master plan” for global hegemony came in November 2000 when the former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein quit accepting US Dollars for oil and, instead, stated his country would only accept Euros. In less than 10 months an attack on the US was engineered and used that as an excuse to topple Hussein and reestablish the US Dollar as the world’s main reserve currency.

Interesting to note is the failure of Libya’s former leader Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the US Dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth, but which like Iraq’s Saddam Hussein “plan” brought a swift and brutal invasion by the Americans and their Western allies to keep it from happening.

The only nation that has successfully abandoned the US Dollar is Iran, who since February 2009 abandoned all American currency opting instead to value their oil and gas in Euros. Iran, however, and unlike oil rich Iraq and Libya, has not been attacked due to the Iranians having acquired from Ukraine between 6-10 nuclear armed X-55 missiles (range of 3,000km [2,000 miles]) in 2005. Although the former Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko denies that the missiles contain their nuclear tips, a statement disputed by the FSB who states they were armed and “ready to fire.”

As a preemption, to counter the planned American blitzkrieg into Central Asia and Pakistan from Afghanistan, Indian Army Chief General VK Singh warned yesterday that thousands of Chinese military forces have now moved into Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir joining an estimated 11,000 more of them believed to have entered that region in the past year.

Before the US ventures into other Muslim lands, the US would want a submissive or a broken and denuclearized Pakistan. In both the scenarios it would mean Pakistan’s death. In such a scenario, Pakistan maybe compelled to go for non conventional weapons; if such a development takes place, India, Israel and the US installations in the region would not be safe. Can the US risk such a situation would only depend on the arrogance and sanity level of the US leadership.

SOURCE:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/21/prepare-for-armageddon/

[Lord Sidious]

Pawns In The Game by Guy Carr is an excellent book.

[norman]

Ive just forwarded that whole thing to my one surviving nephew in the 'royal' Marines. ( other already copped it 4 years back in Afghanistan ).

I also advised him to quit and head for the southern hemisphere (away from Australasia) and find a spot with water and a celler to store 2 to 3 years of tinned and dried food (and bog rolls)

He doesn't usually return confirmations but I know he reads it all, including the Bill Cooper stuff about the ET and governments etc.

[ThePythonicCow]

Commander William Guy Carr, in his book ‘Pawns In The Game’ probably written in 1948 stated that third revolution and third world war are in the offing for which the grouping is taking place. He also stated categorically that the third world war would be against Islam.
Perhaps the third world war has been underway for a decade now :).

The Western military, intelligence and black ops forces have been taking down one Islamic country after another for a decade now.

The "fire power" of the Western military sufficiently overwhelms that of the Islamic nations being defeated that it no longer requires the full scale involvement of the average citizen "at home" in order prosecute this war. It has been total war for Afghans, Iraqis, and Libyans, unfortunately, and a rough ride for dozens of other nations in the Arc of Instability (http://mondediplo.com/openpage/obama-s-arc-of-instability). The remaining major Islamic countries that are not subservient to the global bankers are Syria and Iran. I'd stay out of Syria, Iran and Israel in the near future.

The goal, from the perspective of the world bankers: no nation may remain outside their control.

By running this third world war "under the radar" of the average Western citizen, they have the "opportunity" to engage in an interesting form of fear mongering - raising the fear that World War III, on a broad scale threatening the lives of millions, even billions of people, is imminent. The outbreak of war with Iran, if it occurs, will heighten that fear. A concurrent spike in oil prices will bring that fear "home". Fear is one of the many poisons they are pumping into us, in order to keep us under control through these times.

[Lord Sidious]

I would say that the third world war started on the 8th of May, 1945.

[Calz]

The question remains as to whether or not the *keepers* of the planet will allow for that.

It has happened before with evidence of a nuke style exchange many thousands of years ago in the India area.

With all the shutting down of nuclear missiles by ufos I cannot help but wonder.

[Lost Soul]

I wish we could bring this to the attention of the Occupy crowd.

[The Truth Is In There]

The question remains as to whether or not the *keepers* of the planet will allow for that.

It has happened before with evidence of a nuke style exchange many thousands of years ago in the India area.

With all the shutting down of nuclear missiles by ufos I cannot help but wonder.

WE are the "keepers" of the planet. WE are the planet. WE are the ETs. WE are everything and WE give ourselves the means to work out any remaining karma from this "human experiment" going on since 7000 years. it will start after october 28th and everyone will experience that which is most relative to their perspective. if no more karma has to be worked out then the ww3 threat will quickly disappear along with all other "negativity". if a lot of karma has to be worked out it will be 7 years of hell on earth. everything inbetween these two extremes is possible and everything that is perceived outside is merely a reflection of what is inside. an infinite number of earths already "exist" and by changing what is inside the outside changes automatically because we move our perception to that vibrational earth that matches our "inside".

[PathWalker]

More fear mongering, we are controlled by fear.
Make your choice to believe in fear or hope.
The information source is sensed by me to be disinfo and diversion from the real war.
The war on spiritual growth.

[nomadguy]

Exactly Sidious I think we are in it.
Also it is my view that the "fire from heaven" as described here is the DNA sequence. And this is speaking on natural human Evolution.
My thoery on this is that the word "Cristos" is a parable.
The Cristos is natural human. The anti-cristos is not man. or that it is synthetic consciousness or AI.
The AI wants you to be afraid of the very evolution that will release you from its grasp.

Carry on~

[xeon]

Reported by the EU Times, the “New Great Game” moves being planned by the Americans is to strike fear into both Russia and China that includes:......

Just wanted to point out something, this was sourced from the EU Times.

EU Times is one of the sites that always put out Sorcha Faal material.

I learned the hard way last year, when they were talking about some report circulating in the Kremlin that rainwater from the Gulf Oil Spill would destroy the Eastern half of USA; I told my friend who was shocked (because he trusts my word) only to feel like a fool when nothing of that sort happened.

Anything you read that begins with some...."report in Russia" is always Sorcha Faal (Fail). A bit of truth mixed in with a lot of lies and exaggeration.

[Cartomancer]

I wonder where does it leave the Roman Catholic Church in all of this? They have opposed the United States and Jewish faction as much as any other group. I wonder if they are jockying to be on the side of the Muslims since Christ the Prophet is supposed to return to fight with the coming Prophet.

[whenyournex2me]

Ya know, if its going to happen, so what, there isnt damn thing any of you can do to stop it.... Occupy the World while you have a chance and a voice left...

[Aryslan]

I hate wasting my time reading a huge Sorcha Faal article. >_> I really gotta start skimming for some keywords before I begin.

[Andre]

This thread began with "Putin: Prepare for Armageddon". I read most of it but lost interest about two thirds of the way down. It's just more fear propaganda, whether Czarek (who posted it) knows it or not.

Come on guys (and girls), isn't it time we all moved beyond the fear machine? We will do more for the future of our planet by living in joy and connecting with our spiritual essence than we will by remaining a part of the fear machine, promoting fearful propaganda. Let the various global cabals fight it out. Let them destroy each other. It's not our fight!

[Eagle]

The term "Zion" means "the Pure or one in heart" Zoin is refferrd to as a people and not a location. Zionist is being used as a negative here rather than a positive. it all depends on the angle that you look at it.

[Lord Sidious]

The term "Zion" means "the Pure or one in heart" Zoin is refferrd to as a people and not a location. Zionist is being used as a negative here rather than a positive. it all depends on the angle that you look at it.

Well, Zion is one of many ancient names for Jerusalem.

[Eagle]

I am sure it is because they believed for the most part the same thing, I could be wrong but there has been more than one Zion/Sion referred to throughout history.

[Carmody]

I would say that the third world war started on the 8th of May, 1945.

At exactly 8:15 am, In Flensburg Germany, the Bells began to ring, delivering the first official message to the public that the war was over. I'm not sure you'll find that in any book, but that is indeed what happened.

One of those things that gets lost in the mists of time and the inaccuracies of record and histories.

Astrologers like to know these things so they can do predictive analysis of such situations and their influence on the flow of mankind.

Except that no one really knows this point about the ending of the war at this exact time and place, in the official sense. It's mostly just the few surviving people who where there in Flensburg, when the bells began to ring in all the church towers.

This time, date and place can be verified via astrology.

For example, exactly 55 years later, on the 5th month and the 5th day, in the year 2000, as exact ( proper time of day corrections included) anniversaries go, there was the moment of 'closest perfection' (most accurate alignment in potential and placement) of an astrological 'grand cross' in the heavens. It was accurate..... to within the hour.

[Calz]

I would say that the third world war started on the 8th of May, 1945.

At exactly 8:15 am, In Flensburg Germany, the Bells began to ring, delivering the first official message to the public that the war was over. I'm not sure you'll find that in any book, but that is indeed what happened.

One of those things that gets lost in the mists of time and the inaccuracies of record and histories.

Not sure the "ringer of the bell" represented the whole of the party though???

I think that is Sid's point but no doubt he will come along to straighten things out.

[Carmody]

I would say that the third world war started on the 8th of May, 1945.

At exactly 8:15 am, In Flensburg Germany, the Bells began to ring, delivering the first official message to the public that the war was over. I'm not sure you'll find that in any book, but that is indeed what happened.

One of those things that gets lost in the mists of time and the inaccuracies of record and histories.

Not sure the "ringer of the bell" represented the whole of the party though???

I think that is Sid's point but no doubt he will come along to straighten things out.

It had to begin somewhere, and it did. That was the time ---and that is the record of the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flensburg_government.

(this time/date will not be in this above link, it is seemingly known only to those who where there)

I have (three) family members who where there. It was the original and first 'official' notification to the German people, by the interim government, that the was was over.

Astrology functions beautifully and correctly, every time, without fail.

But you MUST have correct data, as in any science.

If you know this information, then the data can be tested, astrologically. And what is found is that 55 years later, on the 5th month of the 5th day, within the 'rectified time' or hour of this anniversary, the astrological 'grand cross' of year 2000, is complete, or 'peaked/perfected'. I could be wrong about the peaking of the cross on that specific date, as I was doing some other astrological work and found that data to be sticking out at me. My astrological skills where not as good at the time, but I was merely reading a chart of proffered data, an 'ephemeris'. Hard to get that wrong.

The reason that this data is critical for 'world' or 'earth' astrology is that public announcements and all that flow from it: The specific origin in the public 'action' sense, that moment is the true point of note, in order to be accurate in predictions involving that data. However, it's a catch 22, regarding the knowing or obtaining of the given data point.

Perhaps I should have shared this data point earlier, regarding the prediction of world events through astrology. I mean, how many astrologers were present in Flensburg at the time and how many people present would have thought it important to remember the specific information and somehow relate that to an aware astrologer..an astrologer who would be aware of the value of that data point? Which is probably why it was lost in the mists of time.

[Lord Sidious]

I am sure it is because they believed for the most part the same thing, I could be wrong but there has been more than one Zion/Sion referred to throughout history.

Sure, but that was the original meaning, so anything else is a corruption or extension of that meaning.

[Eagle]

But that has always been what it has been about, Corruption and Disinformation. Control the masses, create chaos, and rule by fear, NWO. Surely semantics at this point. Distract and divide!

[161803398]

AH, I think this is very real. The killing of Gaddafi was, in my view, a direct threat to other leaders of the world. Any leader in any country who does not wish to tow the American line is under threat. They are forced to act or get raped, possibly literally.

[jackovesk]

http://premier.gov.ru/media/2012/1/20/47607/doc_photo.jpeg

2012-01-21 15:58:45

MOSCOW, Jan. 21 (Xinhua) -- Visiting former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin discussed global issues Friday, and vowed to enhance ties between the two countries.

Without giving details of the talks, Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the "private meeting" lasted some 40 minutes, local press reported Saturday.

Interfax news agency said Kissinger described the bilateral relations as "of key global importance" and expressed hope they would keep improving.

The pair met frequently in recent years, as Kissinger once called Putin "extremely intelligent" in 2007, while Putin said in 2006 that the two can "understand each other well" and can find compromise.

http://informationalwarfare.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/kissinger-putin.jpg

Russian media noted that Friday's meeting came just weeks before the March 4 presidential elections, in which Putin is seeking a third term as president.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-01/21/c_131372287.htm

PS - Don't think for Second, that Putin is not part of the (Globalist Cabal), he's a Global Mafia Criminal just like the rest of them..!

[TelosianEmbrace]

Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.

[modwiz]

Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.

Yes, the kiss(inger) of death.

[David Trd1]

Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.


Buddies may be a strong word,his powerbase is being eroded and i would imagine it might have something to do with kissinger his superiors and lackeys.they always say keep your friends close but your enemies closer.Putin is after all ex-kgb,him more than anyone would know the meaning of this.

In saying that the timing is extremely suspect.

[modwiz]

Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.


Buddies may be a strong word,his powerbase is being eroded and i would imagine it might have something to do with kissinger his superiors and lackeys.they always say keep your friends close but your enemies closer.Putin is after all ex-kgb,him more than anyone would know the meaning of this.

In saying that the timing is extremely suspect.

Did you see the size of Kissinger? Looks like he swallowed all of his superiors to me. :jester:

[David Trd1]

Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.


Buddies may be a strong word,his powerbase is being eroded and i would imagine it might have something to do with kissinger his superiors and lackeys.they always say keep your friends close but your enemies closer.Putin is after all ex-kgb,him more than anyone would know the meaning of this.

In saying that the timing is extremely suspect.

Did you see the size of Kissinger? Looks like he swallowed all of his superiors to me. :jester:

or his associates........[sorry couldn`t resist ]

[Mike Gorman]

I was about to say the same thing David Trd1, Know your enemy and keep them close-and yeah Kissinger looks like he lives very well
lots of Caviar and Chicken soup...I would love to hear the intimate details of their talks..

[jackovesk]

[QUOTE=TelosianEmbrace;408503]Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.


Buddies may be a strong word,his powerbase is being eroded and i would imagine it might have something to do with kissinger his superiors and lackeys.they always say keep your friends close but your enemies closer.Putin is after all ex-kgb,him more than anyone would know the meaning of this.

In saying that the timing is extremely suspect.


I was about to say the same thing David Trd1, Know your enemy and keep them close-and yeah Kissinger looks like he lives very well
lots of Caviar and Chicken soup...I would love to hear the intimate details of their talks..

It is always 'Wise' take your 'Discernment' a step further...

Take a look here at the photos (Putin meets Kissinger)

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Putin+meets+Kissinger&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-au:IE-SearchBox&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=6dcbT67YL5CRiQeM67TeCw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1041&bih=465

Look at the friendly and sincere Body Language/Handshakes/Eye Contact in all the photos...

Just a future 'Tip' is all...

Rgs,

Jack

[jackovesk]

Posted same thing twice - post removed...

[gs_powered]

Did you see the size of Kissinger? Looks like he swallowed all of his superiors to me. :jester:

I guess he's the one holding the WMD...

btw, on the 1st post, that's seems to be a clear masonic handshake :eek:

[Calz]

Did you see the size of Kissinger? Looks like he swallowed all of his superiors to me. :jester:


Welp so much for the revolving clone theory ... :lever:

What if ... MH contrarian hat style ... there really really really *is* some sort of settlement being worked out between 122-130 countries and the "cabal" (pick your own word)???

With Russia as one of the leading nations among this alleged group would it not make sense for contact between these two???

Okay ... call me a dreamer.

:sleep:

[jackovesk]

Did you see the size of Kissinger? Looks like he swallowed all of his superiors to me. :jester:


Welp so much for the revolving clone theory ... :lever:

What if ... MH contrarian hat style ... there really really really *is* some sort of settlement being worked out between 122-130 countries and the "cabal" (pick your own word)???

With Russia as one of the leading nations among this alleged group would it not make sense for contact between these two???

Okay ... call me a dreamer.

:sleep:

Good to see, you've come back and joined us again Calz...

Feel free to pop back in again at your convenience, my friend...:yo:

Regards,

Jack

PS -

Obama to give US missile defense secrets to Russians

Decision comes amidst massive Russian military modernization while US faces upwards of $1 trillion in cuts

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/SM-3-launch.jpg

Coming on the heels of massive troop drawdowns and massive cuts to the U.S. military, the Obama administration is planning on sharing U.S. missile secrets with the Russians.

The military could face cuts of close to $1 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years. Currently the Pentagon is expected to cut $490 billion over the next 10 years, however another $500 billion in cuts could come because of the congressional deal reached last year during the debt ceiling debate.

As part of the cuts, for the first time since World War II, the U.S. will not have the ability to fight on two fronts at the same time.

Colorado Congressman Mike Coffman has said he wants the two war posture kept and believes it can be done even with the defense cuts. Coffman is a Marine Corps combat veteran who served in Iraq.

“I’m all for making cuts so long as they don’t compromise our national security. I’m afraid from what I’ve seen so far of the direction that the Obama administration wants to go, it does just that by signaling to our adversaries that we are incapable of simultaneously fighting two conflicts at the same time.”

On top of the cuts, president Obama has signaled Congress that he is considering sharing U.S. missile defense secrets with the Russians.

During the signing of the controversial Defense Authorization bill into law, Obama issued a signing statement indicating that he felt restrictions aimed at protecting top-secret data on the U.S. Standard Missile-3 could impede his foreign policy authority.

The Washington times reported several weeks ago that U.S. officials were planning to provide Moscow with the data from the SM-3. The SM-3 is part of America’s missile defense program that was begun under President Ronald Reagan.

Reagan’s program was ridiculed in the press who called it Star Wars. The plan called for America to develop a missile shield to shoot down incoming nuclear missiles. The Star Wars program has been credited as the beginning of the end of the Cold War as Moscow realized they could not keep up with American know-how.

Security officials have expressed concern that the technical data provided to the Russians could compromise the system’s effectiveness and allow Russian technicians to counter the missile. The SM-3 is considered to be some of the most highly effective missile interceptors in the U.S. inventory.

The proposal to share our top secret technology while we are facing upwards of $1 trillion in defense cuts comes at a time when the Russians are doing the exact opposite.

DefenseTech has revealed that Russia is currently in the process of a 10 year, $640 billion military modernization.

The modernization will include 600 new aircraft, 1000 new choppers and an additional 100 vessels added to the Russian Navy including 20 submarines.

Section 1227 of the Defense Authorization bill prohibits spending any funds that will be used to give Russian leaders access to our top-secret missile defense technology as part of any agreement until Congress is sent a report identifying the secrets to be shared, steps to protect the data from being compromised and how the secrets will be used.

Additionally, the president must certify to Congress that the technology will not be shared by the Russians to any other countries.

During the signing ceremony, Obama indicated he did not feel bound by the requirements of section 1227, saying while he intends to keep Congress informed, he also intends to implement the section “in a manner that does not interfere with the president’s constitutional authority to conduct foreign affairs and avoids the undue disclosure of sensitive diplomatic communications.”

http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=12869

[conk]

Up until now I always thought Putin was a shrewd man, which is better than 'extremely intelligent'. To become buddies with the Gnostic Luciferian and 'Herald of War' and national destruction is beyond the pale.

Yes, the kiss(inger) of death. Sounds like something a "useless feeder" would say. ;)

[apollo41]

look at the freemason handshake in first pic??

[modwiz]

look at the freemason handshake in first pic??

It is sometimes hard to tell sloppy handshakes from Masonic ones. That said, even if it is a Masonic one it is of a level that has no power in this world. Won't even get you out of a parking ticket.

I do believe it is not sloppy form here.

[Mulder]

These are 2 of the people in control of the world. Although, they both don't have the highest jobs in their countries now, they are the ones in control. I know the elites are not in unison & I wouldn't be surprised if one of these two tries to usurp the other one in the next few years. We will soon see.

[truth4me]

Henry Kissinger.....nuff said.

[Kristin]

Nice post Jacko, anything that sheds more light on Kissinger is "GO" in my book. He's one of the reason's it's embarrassing to be human.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[sandy]

Looks like one psychopath sizing up another and you can bet that their real agenda's were not revealed as in the end, the old paradigm thinking is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Winner/Loser versus win-win for all !!

[jackovesk]

Jan 25, 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8GYMfgpSM&feature=player_embedded

Commentary in English. Implicating Marc Rich in derivative frauds. Uploaded by ThankYouWhiteKnights

Hi tap, I told you a few months back that Putin was fighting back against the Aluminus, well it appears that one of their Biggest Gangsters 'SOROS' went a step too far for Vladimir Putin.

This is obviously a very popular move, as you will see from the EXPLICIT COMMENTS on You Tube.

I have a lot of stuff on 'SOROS' I became interested in him when he was allowed to do the same sort of thing to us, SOROS, FINANCED OBAMA & IS Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski MATE SCREWED OUR FINANCES UP,PROBABLY BECAUSE THE BILDERBER GANGSTERS WERE IN ON THE ACT AS WELL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qt8GYMfgpSM

Russian Intelligence has fingered Soros for using cross-collateralized compounded Swedish and Danish foreign currency derivatives for the purpose of an attack on the Russian stock market.

Note: Soros use of these cross-collateralized compounded derivatives utilizing Luxembourg banks violates the terms of the Basil II European Union banking agreement.

Item: Both the IMF (International Monetary Fund) and European INTERPOL are preparing a "Red Notice" against not only Soros but Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate financial stooge Marc Rich and his Swiss-based Richfield Commodities Brokerage firm.

Putin has also recently confronted Federal Reserve Chairman Bernard Bernanke and told him that the Russian Federation will no longer tolerate the use of individuals like George Soros and Marc Rich in massive foreign currency derivative fraud that is destabilizing the world economy.

In other words, folks, there will be NO backdoor QE3 using derivatives tied to George Soros and Marc Rich.

P.S. We can also divulge that the government of Greece has joined John Hancock insurance company in a class action lawsuit against the criminal U.S. banking giants Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan.

The class action lawsuit accuses both Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan of fraudulent sales practices in the marketing of bogus mortgage-backed securities from the year 2003 to 2007.

Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan sold these bogus financial instruments to the government of Greece while at the same time they were actually shorting these financial instruments in offshore hedge funds on the Isle of Man and the Cayman Islands.

P.P.S. At this hour the government of Greece is ready to leave the European Union and try to save their nation similar to that which took place in Iceland.

P.P.P.S. This is a direct warning to the privately owned, criminal Federal Reserve:

Any attempt to 'bail out' Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan and their bogus credit claims against the nation of Greece using U.S. Taxpayers money will lead to a major response by the U.S. Military.

More to follow.

http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2012/01/putin-issues-arrest-warrant-against.html

[Seikou-Kishi]

God, sometimes I love Putin :D

[Siberia9]

I could not find anything on this with the main stream/sewer stream media yet. I will ask if its being talked about in Russia, that would make it legit if they are. Anyone else find it somewhere other than the alt. sites?

[modwiz]

I could not find anything on this with the main stream/sewer stream media yet. I will ask if its being talked about in Russia, that would make it legit if they are. Anyone else find it somewhere other than the alt. sites?

The recent article by a publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times of suggesting that assassinating Obama might be a good idea for Israel was not covered by MSM.
A little of it here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/22/killing-obama-united-states-vs-andrew-r-adler/

The publisher Andrew Adler tearfully stepped down a few days ago and this was not covered either.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/24/killing-obama-andrew-adler-in-an-emotional-video-apology/
Our MSM is part of the Clinton-Bush criminal syndicate. I do not expect to hear about the above story carried unless it becomes absolutely necessary for them to do so.

[WhiteFeather]

I could not find anything on this with the main stream/sewer stream media yet. I will ask if its being talked about in Russia, that would make it legit if they are. Anyone else find it somewhere other than the alt. sites?

The recent article by a publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times of suggesting that assassinating Obama might be a good idea for Israel was not covered by MSM.
A little of it here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/22/killing-obama-united-states-vs-andrew-r-adler/

The publisher Andrew Adler tearfully stepped down a few days ago and this was not covered either.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/24/killing-obama-andrew-adler-in-an-emotional-video-apology/
Our MSM is part of the Clinton-Bush criminal syndicate. I do not expect to hear the above story carried unless it becomes absolutely necessary for them to do so.

Mmm that post smells familiar to me. Open The Gate!

[modwiz]

I could not find anything on this with the main stream/sewer stream media yet. I will ask if its being talked about in Russia, that would make it legit if they are. Anyone else find it somewhere other than the alt. sites?

The recent article by a publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times of suggesting that assassinating Obama might be a good idea for Israel was not covered by MSM.
A little of it here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/22/killing-obama-united-states-vs-andrew-r-adler/

The publisher Andrew Adler tearfully stepped down a few days ago and this was not covered either.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/24/killing-obama-andrew-adler-in-an-emotional-video-apology/
Our MSM is part of the Clinton-Bush criminal syndicate. I do not expect to hear the above story carried unless it becomes absolutely necessary for them to do so.

Mmm that post smells familiar to me. Open The Gate!

It is nice to be able to point a finger of truth without getting any nonsense. That episode made me very happy to be here at PA.

[Siberia9]

Yeah I feel ya, but we have dig deeper than just a repeated story about a youtube vid too. Its a 12 hour times differance but I will see eventually if the Russians are on it, if not,,, then I will have to wait and see before I bite.



I could not find anything on this with the main stream/sewer stream media yet. I will ask if its being talked about in Russia, that would make it legit if they are. Anyone else find it somewhere other than the alt. sites?

The recent article by a publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times of suggesting that assassinating Obama might be a good idea for Israel was not covered by MSM.
A little of it here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/22/killing-obama-united-states-vs-andrew-r-adler/

The publisher Andrew Adler tearfully stepped down a few days ago and this was not covered either.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/24/killing-obama-andrew-adler-in-an-emotional-video-apology/
Our MSM is part of the Clinton-Bush criminal syndicate. I do not expect to hear about the above story carried unless it becomes absolutely necessary for them to do so.

[WhiteFeather]

I could not find anything on this with the main stream/sewer stream media yet. I will ask if its being talked about in Russia, that would make it legit if they are. Anyone else find it somewhere other than the alt. sites?

The recent article by a publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times of suggesting that assassinating Obama might be a good idea for Israel was not covered by MSM.
A little of it here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/22/killing-obama-united-states-vs-andrew-r-adler/

The publisher Andrew Adler tearfully stepped down a few days ago and this was not covered either.http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/24/killing-obama-andrew-adler-in-an-emotional-video-apology/
Our MSM is part of the Clinton-Bush criminal syndicate. I do not expect to hear the above story carried unless it becomes absolutely necessary for them to do so.

Mmm that post smells familiar to me. Open The Gate!

It is nice to be able to point a finger of truth without getting any nonsense. That episode made me very happy to be here at PA.

Indeed that was an episode to say the least.

[firstlook]

"Change of government in Syria Inevitable".

http://www.charlierose.com/

[ktlight]

THIS was uploaded in April last year.

"Who gave coalition forces in Libya the right to eliminate Gaddafi? That's the question Vladimir Putin's been asking, during an official visit to Denmark. The Russian Premier also said NATO's effectively joined one of the warring sides in the conflict. And more responsible action should be taken instead."

Iw5Ij_RFJ1Q

[Calz]

NATO didn't "join" one of the warring sides ... it *CREATED* one ...

IMHO

[GlassSteagallfan]

Haven't seen much about the landslide victory for Vladimir Putin in the western media. He won with a 63-64% vote and all election sites were monitored with cameras. The bear has spoken!

Nice to see all the western funded disinformations campaigns didn't work.


Update: 82%

[jackovesk]

'Putin to challenge world order that Washington wants'

Uploaded by RussiaToday on Mar 6, 2012

As Vladimir Putin won a landslide majority of votes in Russia's presidential election Sunday, Western leaders seem to be reluctant to congratulate the president-elect, while Western media takes a critical stance. Richard Spencer, founder of the online magazine Alternative Right, believes that both the left and the right in the American media are unified in treating Putin as a threat. They view him as a pariah because he questions the world order that Washington wants, Spencer told RT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mvcts_dfxI&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg&index=5&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mvcts_dfxI&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg&index=5&feature=plcp

Salbuchi: Putin a break against neo-colonial West


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbB4GBTe2GM&feature=BFa&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg&lf=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbB4GBTe2GM&feature=BFa&list=UUpwvZwUam-URkxB7g4USKpg&lf=plcp

PS - Don't worry GlassSteagallfan, the rest will catch on sooner or later...:)

[kemo]

Maybe it's because there was widespread electoral fraud according to election observers with Putin 'activists' being bussed around to vote several times, ballot boxes being tampered with etc. Putin was first elected by democratic mean but he is no democrat and does everything to supress and intimidate his opponents, including jailing them on trumped up charges and worse. That's why some Russians regard Russia as a gangster state - i.e. because it is. No doubt Mr Putin is a shrewd operator and it may well be that he'd have won even if he hadn't cheated, but as it is he's practically a dictator and we know what happens to dictators. It will end badly I fear.

[crested-duck]

kemo- there's a new definition for dictator-- anyone who dares go against and stand up to the british oligarchy/nwo monetary enslavement program, is labeled a dictator and removed one way or another by the roman vatican/british oligarchy assasins. Seems only Russia and China left for empire to destroy now. and they want to use the usa nukes,through puppet obama , to get to them by starting war with iran( iran never was a threat, just a scapegoat, and a means to the end game of total world enslavement)

[GlassSteagallfan]

Maybe it's because there was widespread electoral fraud according to election observers with Putin 'activists' being bussed around to vote several times, ballot boxes being tampered with etc. Putin was first elected by democratic mean but he is no democrat and does everything to supress and intimidate his opponents, including jailing them on trumped up charges and worse. That's why some Russians regard Russia as a gangster state - i.e. because it is. No doubt Mr Putin is a shrewd operator and it may well be that he'd have won even if he hadn't cheated, but as it is he's practically a dictator and we know what happens to dictators. It will end badly I fear.

Have you heard: Six of Mitt Romney's relatives are campaigning for Ron Paul! Even one of Rick Santorum relatives is pro-Ron Paul. Story is at infowars.com

[kemo]

With respect, however you define 'dictator' is beside the point. Whether Mr Putin was or was not validly elected by the Russian people is a different matter to whether he opposes the various interests mentioned. He has certainly ruthlessly stiffled any oppostion or incited others to do it for him - like the assaults and intimidation of the British ambassador and embassy staff not that long ago by neo fascist thugs loyal to Putin. Like the very heavy police tactics against peaceful protesters. You can regard Mr Putin's 'election' as a matter for celebration if you wish but all I see is a man who put himself forward as a candidate in supposedly democratic elections and then rigged the election in his favour. Irrespective of any other issues that is a crime against the Russian people in my book. And you know what they say about absolute power - which is practically what he has got.

[jackovesk]

Dec 22, 2011

Vladimir Putin Speech at the Munich Press Conference in Germany! Notice that there are Certain countries that did not show this on the News? Also notice that there are certain countries that don't want Putin to become the president again and that's why are showing propaganda against Putin and Russia?


My Comment:

Putin Rips into the UN, NATO, EU & USA...

He constantly 'EyeBalls' the Guilty...:yes4: As they 'Cowardly' break 'EyeContact' look away and snicker..!

15354

Definately worth watching...:thumb: regardless of what you may think of Putin..?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr5GxN3C8uw&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr5GxN3C8uw&feature=player_embedded#!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OXGSS7qF2A&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OXGSS7qF2A&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7br_cHdpbIg&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7br_cHdpbIg&feature=relmfu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCDoU92rO7w&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCDoU92rO7w&feature=relmfu

[mojo]

Jacko I want to commend you for all your efforts to share a multitude of interesting posts way beyond what mere mortal man would do...Are you sure your not a superhero? ...;)

[truth4me]

Jacko I want to commend you for all your efforts to share a multitude of interesting posts way beyond what mere mortal man would do...Are you sure your not a superhero? ...;)
Jacko "be bringing the noise" with his videos......

[Cilka]

Hmm...as usual Mr. Putin is full of fancy words, for a minute there I thought he was visited by a compassionate angel. Fortunately I had the privilege to have lived under the communist regime and now under the capitalist/fascist regime and with the life experiences I gathered over the years I dont expect any of these leaders/puppets, with the only difference of speaking in a different language, to provide us with a prosperous and secure future. Canada, US and MExico has already signed the security and prosperity partnership, so maybe Russia feels being left out of it or something.

Secondly, Russia and US do not need to continue building nuclear weapons any longer and Putin knows that, nuclear weapons are for children to play with. They have better plans for us on a gloabal scale, direct free energy weapons have unlimited potential and they sure wont be used to keep us any safer. I think these weapons will be used on us to keep us in line.

[white wizard]

I watched part one and I can say so far I am impressed. It has come to my

attention lately that a new wave of ideas is hitting the planet and the United

States shall not be the harbinger of new ideas like it has been for so long but the

the world as a whole will most likely bring about the shift together. I heard him

mention BRIC and how it has surpassed the EU. Interesting how future events will

unfold considering the Illuminatis sphere of influence is weak in these countries. If

BRIC does take the lead globally like Vladimir Putin predicts then the ground work

for true change could indeed be more plausible. I see more evidence for a bright

future everyday lets hope peoples predictions for it pan out as the global

framework begins to take hold.

[bennycog]

jacko the white knight :)

[161803398]

What you might think of Putin, he is speaking the truth...what he is saying become painfully apparent after the murder of Gaddafi....but not apparent to anyone in government in the Unites States apparently. Hillary appears to be having a little flash as she was talking the other day about the US losing the propaganda war. She is late and doesn't see the extent of it.

[jagman]

While watching this video, A few things became very clear to me. Vladimir Putin is powerful. He is also charismatic and well spoken.
You can tell he is a real student of history.. He could be the Antichrist.

[GlassSteagallfan]

another official Russian offer to the American people to rebuild

[deridan]

While watching this video, A few things became very clear to me. Vladimir Putin is powerful. He is also charismatic and well spoken.
You can tell he is a real student of history.. He could be the Antichrist.

yikes, u have to be a student of history to be an antichrist _
i would say not. u have to be so to see through the bull , or veil of apparent push pull
maybe the usa would have more of those would they disgard the current purview of politics , not even hil would notice to soon cause she is in the wave of maintaining the perception, ..we should eventually even ourselves out and come more to a consentuious world government.

[Billy]

Thank you Jacko for your effort in keeping us all informed, it is much appreciated i assure you.

Putin expressed some KEY words in his speach. He seemed to be looking at the bigger picture. For example at the beginning of video 1 he says.

Quote:

1. Economic security and developing a dialogue between " CIVILIZATIONS ". ( Not countries)

2. This " UNIVERSAL " indivisible character of security.

3. He used the word "Sovereign" a few times, and "Sovereign states" also. ( Has he been listening to Drake ? )

4. To prevent a new area of confrontation, Especially in the " OUTER SPACE "

5. Star wars is no longer a fantasy, It is a reality.

6. The "New world order" line was dropped in there also. ( Shame )

I give him credit for standing up to the USA and European Cabal, But this does not make him sincere and trustworthy.

We shall see.

Peace

[jackovesk]

Hmm...as usual Mr. Putin is full of fancy words, for a minute there I thought he was visited by a compassionate angel. Fortunately I had the privilege to have lived under the communist regime and now under the capitalist/fascist regime and with the life experiences I gathered over the years I dont expect any of these leaders/puppets, with the only difference of speaking in a different language, to provide us with a prosperous and secure future. Canada, US and MExico has already signed the security and prosperity partnership, so maybe Russia feels being left out of it or something.

Secondly, Russia and US do not need to continue building nuclear weapons any longer and Putin knows that, nuclear weapons are for children to play with. They have better plans for us on a gloabal scale, direct free energy weapons have unlimited potential and they sure wont be used to keep us any safer. I think these weapons will be used on us to keep us in line.

Cilka - Thankyou for your comments,

There is nothing like hearing the 'Truth' from those who have lived through it...:yes4:

Myself, I cannot honestly say whether or not Putin has seen the 'Light' through the error of his ways &/or he thinks Russia is being alienated or left out of the BIG picture..?

All I can say is I'll watch these developments with interest and comment accordingly...:)

Rgs,

Jack

[Unified Serenity]

Russia promised to launch the most spectacular peace movement to lull us into complacency then attack and crush us with an iron fist. Putin is a politician and a man of power. He will say whatever is expedient to make himself and his cause look wise and demoralize his opponents. Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words and the iron fist of Mother Russia is stll as strong as ever. Just ask the people escaping it.

[jackovesk]

Russia promised to launch the most spectacular peace movement to lull us into complacency then attack and crush us with an iron fist. Putin is a politician and a man of power. He will say whatever is expedient to make himself and his cause look wise and demoralize his opponents. Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words and the iron fist of Mother Russia is stll as strong as ever. Just ask the people escaping it.

Who knows whether or not you are right US..?

Me, I'd rather have Putin as my President than Obama...:yes4:

[GlassSteagallfan]

Me, I'd rather have Putin as my President than Obama...:yes4:

I'll second that Jack. I do not feel safe under the current U.S. regime.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Russia promised to launch the most spectacular peace movement to lull us into complacency then attack and crush us with an iron fist. Putin is a politician and a man of power. He will say whatever is expedient to make himself and his cause look wise and demoralize his opponents. Actions speak a hell of a lot louder than words and the iron fist of Mother Russia is stll as strong as ever. Just ask the people escaping it.

Who knows whether or not you are right US..?

Me, I'd rather have Putin as my President than Obama...:yes4:

I think most Russians who flee the country do this because of economic reasons, just like the Polish, Ukranians, Georgians, Bulgarians, Hungarians do, there are a lot of them here in Holland as well, trying to make a decent living and just like the Turks, Morrocans, Dutch Antillians and people from the other former colonies( often does not work now, things are not as great here as they seem to be at this particular time).

And on the Putin for president i must strangly enough say i agree, for some odd reason i see him in my minds eye kicking in some doors in person instead of sending someone else to do the job for him, he is not some actor. I do not like people who kick in doors and use to much force in general but he looks like he gets sh1t done and thats something i admire in a person.

[jackovesk]

Intellectuals urge Kremlin to free punks

June 28, 2012

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2012/06/27/1226410/565477-russia-punks-vs-putin.jpg
Maria Alekhina, a member of the feminist punk band, Pussy Riot, in a cage in a district court in Moscow. Picture: AP

http://content4.video.news.com.au/NDM_CP_-_Sky_News/94/177/skynews_3317437.jpg
Click Here for Video (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/intellectuals-urge-kremlin-to-free-punks/story-e6frfn09-1226410569609)

Dozens of Russian intellectuals have signed an open letter calling on the Kremlin to release feminist punk rockers who face up to seven years in jail for staging a prank prayer against President Vladimir Putin.

Three members of the Pussy Riot band were arrested after their February prank prayer at Moscow's Christ the Savior cathedral, in which they asked Mother Mary to deliver Russia from Putin's return to the Kremlin for a third term.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/06/27/1226410/565478-russia-punks-vs-putin.jpg
Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, a member of the feminist punk band, Pussy Riot, waves to supporters in Moscow's Tagansky district court. Picture: AP

The letter released today and signed by at least 112 writers, film stars and rock musicians says that the upcoming trial would divide Russian society.

Three of the band members are charged with "hooliganism", while Kremlin-controlled media lambasts them for "blasphemy" and disrespect to the Russian Orthodox Church, the country's largest.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/intellectuals-urge-kremlin-to-free-punks/story-e6frfn09-1226410569609

PS - Putin should have known not to anger the 'Pussies'...:)

[conk]

Whew, thought this might be about feline anarchy. Nothing worse than a bunch of militant cats with attitude. Reow!

USA Republicans would have us call this band "Lady Parts Riot".

[Cartomancer]

It's a Pussy Riot!!!


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[Tane Mahuta]

Nice one jack...had me fooled too..tsss! note the markings on the hand of the other member.

WoW!!..Cart'...you've got a lot of Pussys. I hope they're all neutered. Wouldn't want a Riot on our hands.


TM

[jackovesk]

***UPDATE***

Outrage as Pussy Riot members jailed

17 Aug 2012

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/08/18/1226452/995159-russia-punks-vs-putin.jpg
The members of Pussy Riot await their fate in a glass cage inside a Moscow courtroom. The judge said in the verdict that the three band members "committed hooliganism driven by religious hatred''. Source: AP

A MOSCOW judge has sentenced each of three members of the provocative punk band Pussy Riot to two years in prison on hooliganism charges following a trial that has drawn international outrage.

The sentence comes amid a wave of protests around the world in support of the feminist rockers.

The judge said in the verdict that the three band members "committed hooliganism driven by religious hatred'' and offended religious believers.

As the judge handed down her sentence, cries of "shame" could be heard in the courtroom, according to media reports.

The three women, Maria Alekhina, Nadezhda Tolokonnikova and Yekaterina Samutsevich, reportedly laughed in response to the judge's comments.

In chaotic scenes outside the court, hundreds of protesters - including former world chess champion Garry Kasparov - clashed with police.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/08/18/1226452/994924-russia-punks-vs-putin.jpg
Feminist Russian punk group Pussy Riot members Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, centre, Maria Alekhina, right, and Yekaterina Samutsevich, are escorted to a glass cage to await the verdict. Source: AP
.
The supporters chanted "Russia without Putin!'' amid a heavy police presence.

The three women were arrested in March after an anti-Putin stunt in Moscow's main cathedral. They called for the Virgin Mary to protect Russia against Vladimir Putin.

The case is widely seen as a warning that authorities will tolerate opposition only under tightly controlled conditions.

Critics of the Kremlin see it as part of a crackdown on dissent as Mr Putin begins a new six-year term,

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2012/08/17/1226452/959818-russia-politics-music-rights-protest.jpg
Russian riot police detain a supporter of all-girl punk band "Pussy Riot" outside court in Moscow. Source: AFP

It also underlines the vast influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. Although church and state are formally separate, the church identifies itself as the heart of Russian national identity and critics say its strength effectively makes it a quasi-state entity.

Protests timed to just before the verdict or soon afterwards were planned in more than three dozen cities worldwide.

Prosecutors have asked for three-year sentences, down from the possible seven-year maximum. Putin himself has said he hopes the sentencing is not "too severe''.

Celebrities including Paul McCartney, Madonna and Bjork have called for the performers to be freed.

The case has clouded Russia's reputation overseas and stoked the resentment of opposition partisans who have turned out in a series of big rallies since last winter.

It comes in the wake of several recently passed laws cracking down on opposition, including one that raised the fine for taking part in an unauthorised demonstrations by 150 times to 300,000 roubles (about $A8600).

Another measure requires non-government organisations that both engage in vaguely defined political activity and receive funding from abroad to register as "foreign agents''.

http://www.news.com.au/national/pussy-riot-members-found-guilty/story-fndo4eg9-1226452955263

PS - A Leopard NEVER changes their 'Spots', do they Vladimir...:no:

[bogeyman]

It was inevitable they would be found guilty, I think they knew that would be the case, whether pressure from the outside can help with early released I cannot say, but I doubt it. I hope more will take up the challenge, and carry on the work of this band, they must not be forgotten. The state does not like those that does not conform to state rules, and laws, corrupt or not.

[Tangri]

Did Putin tell the boy" If you are not behave ,I am gonna eat you?"

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/putin-boy-photo-did-174630989.html

I will give a Putin to Stockholm's people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGosOp4uATg

[naste.de.lumina]

http://rt.com/files/news/1f/64/10/00/p-2.jpg

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has spoken at length with RT about the world’s burning issues, including war-torn Syria, Iran, US surveillance and terrorism. He exclusively answered questions from RT journalists while paying a visit to the channel.

Margarita Simonyan: Mr. Putin, thanks again for visiting us.

Vladimir Putin: Thanks for inviting me.

Margarita Simonyan: According to the Russian tradition, as hospitable hosts we are always happy to have such guests.

Vladimir Putin: I have to say, it was somewhat unexpected for me that our talk would be on air, not to mention it being live. But I was happy when Margarita just told me about it. I knew that we were having a meeting with journalists but I had no idea that you’d arranged such an ambush as live broadcast of it. Well, it’s all yours.

Margarita Simonyan: Well, we have nothing to hide.

Vladimir Putin: There’s nothing to hide, indeed.

Margarita Simonyan: My first question is a bit immodest – about our channel. What are your impressions of it?

Vladimir Putin: I have good impressions.

When we designed this project back in 2005 we intended introducing another strong player on the world’s scene, a player that wouldn’t just provide an unbiased coverage of the events in Russia but also try, let me stress, I mean – try to break the Anglo-Saxon monopoly on the global information streams. And it seems to me that you’re succeeding in this job.

I’d like to emphasize something of the key importance. We never expected this to be a news agency or a channel which would defend the position of the Russian political line. We wanted to bring an absolutely independent news channel to the news arena.

Certainly the channel is funded by the government, so it cannot help but reflect the Russian government’s official position on the events in our country and in the rest of the world one way or another. But I’d like to underline again that we never intended this channel, RT, as any kind of apologetics for the Russian political line, whether domestic or foreign.

Margarita Simonyan: One issue that at least our viewers are generally excited about today is the Snowden case. A man who is now being dubbed ‘a second Assange’ has exposed total surveillance practices employed by the American government. There are two sides to this story: on the one hand, that was classified information, which makes this man a traitor. But on the other hand, the information he has leaked is of crucial importance, primarily for the American public, and for the world in general. What do you think of that?

Vladimir Putin: He told us nothing we didn’t know before. I think everybody has long been aware that signals intelligence is about surveillance of individuals and organizations. It is becoming a global phenomenon in the context of combatting international terrorism, and such methods are generally practicable. The question is how well those security agencies are controlled by the public. I can tell you that, at least in Russia, you cannot just go and tap into someone’s phone conversation without a warrant issued by court. That’s more or less the way a civilized society should go about fighting terrorism with modern-day technology. As long as it is exercised within the boundaries of the law that regulates intelligence activities, it’s alright. But if it’s unlawful, then it’s bad.

Margarita Simonyan: Mr. Obama said, rather gaudily, that you cannot have hundred-percent security while maintaining hundred-percent privacy…

Vladimir Putin: Yes you can. I’d like to reiterate: you do have to obtain a warrant for specific policing activities domestically, so why shouldn’t this requirement be valid for intelligence agencies as well? It can, and it should.

Margarita Simonyan: As you probably know, it isn’t Snowden, or Syria, or Turkey that’s been top news in Russia this week. It’s your divorce everybody has been talking about. Both yourself and Ms. Lyudmila Putina explained it at length when you spoke to the press after a ballet performance, but a few questions still remain. I wonder about the religious aspects of your divorce, and this is something many people are questioning at the moment.

Vladimir Putin: First of all, I can tell you that Lyudmila and myself agree that it’s much more appropriate to be outspoken about our actual state of relations rather than try to keep it secret.

Margarita Simonyan: That’s what they say in the press, too, regardless of political affiliation.

Vladimir Putin: Well, thanks for that much. As for the religious aspect of our marriage, there is none, because we never wed in church.

Margarita Simonyan: You didn’t wed?

Vladimir Putin: No.


Video and the full story here. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-president-vladimir-putin-talks-nsa-syria-iran-drones-and-terrorism/5339285)

[bogeyman]

I've read the whole article Putin makes some interesting points, and has good insight.

[naste.de.lumina]

I've read the whole article Putin makes some interesting points, and has good insight.

I agree.
When I started reading the article I confess I expected to see something more impactful.
But after thinking about it, he is a politician after all, would not give your tongue on the teeth.

[kersley]

I like this Putin Guy.. If all our leaders thought like him. This world would be a better place..

[Aurelius]

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin has spoken ... <snip>
Video and the full story here. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-president-vladimir-putin-talks-nsa-syria-iran-drones-and-terrorism/5339285)

Putin's 2nd last response during the interview ...

Vladimir Putin: <snip> ... or there must be a change in mentality, when people will understand that it’s much more beneficial to look for compromises than to impose your will on everyone. But it certainly takes time to change those patterns of thinking in any country, in this case it’s the US. First and foremost, this change should take place in the minds of the ruling elite in the broad sense of this phrase. I don’t think that it’s impossible. I think we’ve almost come to this point. I very much hope we will reach it soon.

[Soulboy]

In other news, the German equivalent of C-Span has admitted that programmes critical of the US or friendly and complimentary of Russia are being censored in Germany...

Our basic law (what on earth is that anyway, haha) clearly states that censorship does not take place at all... This is while the list of banned books slowly approaches the 45,000 mark... 99% of those books are not worth most people's time anyway, so why ban them, that only raises people's interest as to why they're banned in the first place.

This was also announced just in time for America's version of "dear leader" to visit Berlin... Warm feelings all 'round :rolleyes:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I hope this helps:


http://eurodialogue.org/energy-security/Putin-Looks-Sour-Loser-On-Nabucco

PUTIN LOOKS SOUR LOSER ON NABUCCO
By Vladimir Socor

Russia seems to have lost its lobbying battle in Europe for its South Stream pipeline carrying gas and against rival Nabucco, which is planned to run from Azerbaijan via Turkey to the European markets. At present, Moscow seeks as a last resort to negate the availability of gas supplies to the Nabucco project in the Caspian basin.
Prime Minister Vladimir Putin summed up this official line during the recent annual gathering of the Valdai Club of Russian experts. He claimed that the Nabucco project lacks guaranteed supplies (and Russia would "not contribute any volumes"); that Nabucco cannot fully count on Azerbaijan since the latter has signed a supply agreement with Russian gas monopoly Gazprom; and a dispute over the delimitation of the Caspian seabed would block the transportation of Turkmen gas to Azerbaijan en route to Europe. In their acrimonious tone as well as in content, Putin’s remarks sounded like arguments of despair.

Azerbaijan is the existential supply source for the Nabucco project. Russia seeks to increase its imports of Azerbaijani gas to the maximum possible extent so as to reduce the volumes available to Nabucco. During President Dmitry Medvedev's recent visit to that country, Gazprom signed an agreement to purchase 2 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas from Azerbaijan's State Oil Company (SOCAR) in 2011 (up from the 0.5 bcm first agreed in October 2009, then 1 bcm during 2010).

http://images.wikia.com/whatreallyhappened/images/b/b4/Nabucco_SouthStream_map.gif






http://www.neurope.eu/article/nabucco-wounded-putin-closes-kill


With Nabucco wounded, Putin closes in for the kill
by
Kostis Geropoulos
29/04/2012 - 10:01pm
Hungary’s MOL said earlier last week it considered further financing of Nabucco unsustainable and had therefore not approved its 2012 budget. Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban added that Nabucco was “in trouble”. Instead, Budapest threw its weight behind the Russian-backed rival South Stream pipeline.

Nabucco is also facing competition from the South-East Europe Pipeline (SEEP). BP and its partners in the Caspian Sea developing Azerbaijan’s Shah Deniz gas field plan to make a final decision on an export route to Europe by the middle of 2013. The group will choose between Nabucco and the SEEP by the middle of this year. The Trans-Adriatic Pipeline (TAP) is also vying to carry gas from Azerbaijan to Europe and will face off with either Nabucco or SEEP.



http://www.euractiv.com/energy/bp-punches-nabucco-belt-news-512994


UK oil major BP said it was no longer considering shipping gas from its Shah Deniz field in Azerbaijan through the Nabucco pipeline, dealing a blow to the troubled European project. But the European Commission said the “full-scale version” of Nabucco was still the main option under consideration.
Iain Conn, BP's head of fuel refining and marketing, said in a speech last week that BP and Azeri state oil group Socar were now considering only two options for the pipeline's route to Austria – a smaller, pipeline from the Nabucco consortium, known as "Nabucco West", and the South East Europe Pipeline (SEEP).

"Nabucco West" is a shorter line that would run from Turkey's western border through Bulgaria and Romania to Austria. The full-scale Nabucco project involves new pipes all the way from Azerbaijan to the Baumgarten gas hub near Vienna.


from nuclearnuttery


BONUS AT VERY BOTTOM: MY THEORY ON WHAT BROUGHT DOWN THE 3 BUILDINGS ON 9/11 **UPDATED** The Arab Spring/Nabucco, Arcelor-Mittal Steel’s “Loop” & Also “The Cloud” Sculptures at 2012 Olympics representative of two enormous emerging commodities. Special: A Closer Look At Nabucco Pipeline — Race to the Top: Fueling the Future, Fighting for a Foothold in the Middle East — the Transition from Oil Dependency to Natural Gas, and the Unseen Multinational Power Grab (While We Were Fixated Upon the BP-Macondo Sabotage in the Gulf of Mexico, Natural Gas Being Quietly Monopolized). Should we fear the impact on Russia and the economic effect that may have on arms dealing to our enemies in the future?
Posted on June 24, 2011

[jackovesk]

@ 1.30 Mins Putin is (LYING) Head tilts down to the left, rapid blinking then looks back at the host, rapid blinking again then a subtle but noticeable Gulp..!

Liar - Liar Pants on Fire..!

Putin & the (still active) KGB have been illegally monitoring its citizens without a warrant for years.

Nothing has changed...:nono:

[naste.de.lumina]

@ 1.30 Mins Putin is (LYING) Head tilts down to the left, rapid blinking then looks back at the host, rapid blinking again then a subtle but noticeable Gulp..!

Liar - Liar Pants on Fire..!

Putin & the (still active) KGB have been illegally monitoring its citizens without a warrant for years.

Nothing has changed...:nono:

And what is your opinion of this interview jackovesk?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60126-Iran-to-send-4000-troops-to-Syria&p=688866&viewfull=1#post688866

[jackovesk]

@ 1.30 Mins Putin is (LYING) Head tilts down to the left, rapid blinking then looks back at the host, rapid blinking again then a subtle but noticeable Gulp..!

Liar - Liar Pants on Fire..!

Putin & the (still active) KGB have been illegally monitoring its citizens without a warrant for years.

Nothing has changed...:nono:

And what is your opinion of this interview jackovesk?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60126-Iran-to-send-4000-troops-to-Syria&p=688866&viewfull=1#post688866


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SXBeMhIgFo

Put it simply - Zbigniew Brzezinski is basically telling the Truth...:yes4:

... but (WHAT HE's "NOT" TELLING YOU..!)

Is that this is (EXACTLY) how (HE) and his fellow (PTW PUPPETMASTERS) have (PLANNED) it and are behind it (ALL)..!!!

Doublespeak (PROPAGANDA 101)..!!!

[transiten]

As a Swedish leftoriented environmentlist spiritual awoken woman i can't understand how Putin can be percieved as a good guy, esp. when coming from Americans?? He's constantly centralizing power to himself, the elections are flawed and lately he passed a law where it's criminal to talk about homosexuality in a positive way.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I saw the P*ssy Riot documentary the other night and agree,
how can someone dupe themselves into believing he is a good guy?

the whole conflict in the middle east likely stems from Russian resistance to the breakup of their natural gas monopoly.
it's nothing to do with humanity, morals, or progress.

rather the opposite. the man who holds power truly is the voice of the establishment and not the voice of the people.
otherwise he could not remain in power in a world like ours, where the multinational corporations do battle with the last remaining individual despots.

soon we will all perish in the homogenized wasteland of corporate globalism.
unless a war sets it back, lol

[jackovesk]

I saw the P*ssy Riot documentary the other night and agree,
how can someone dupe themselves into believing he is a good guy?

the whole conflict in the middle east likely stems from Russian resistance to the breakup of their natural gas monopoly.
it's nothing to do with humanity, morals, or progress.

rather the opposite. the man who holds power truly is the voice of the establishment and not the voice of the people.
otherwise he could not remain in power in a world like ours, where the multinational corporations do battle with the last remaining individual despots.

soon we will all perish in the homogenized wasteland of corporate globalism.
unless a war sets it back, lol


I saw the P*ssy Riot documentary the other night and agree,
how can someone dupe themselves into believing he is a good guy?

Putin - What a JOKE..!

Do these (2 Gallah's) look like their (Sworn Enemies)..?

June 18, 2013

http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/06/18/4498541/dh_leaders-620x349.jpg
Coming together: US President Barack Obama holds a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Photo: AFP

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/my-name-is-hannah-girl-upstages-obama-with-passionate-peace-speech-20130618-2ofbb.html

NO - I didn't think so...:nono:

[naste.de.lumina]

http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/06/18/4498541/dh_leaders-620x349.jpg

Perfídia in Russian.
MrsbOcANuwE

[Maia Gabrial]

Okay, this is off the topic a bit, but look at Putin's eyes. Aren't they spooky?

[naste.de.lumina]

Okay, this is off the topic a bit, but look at Putin's eyes. Aren't they spooky?

What to expect from a high-ranking agent of the KGB? Cold and calculating.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

http://images.canberratimes.com.au/2013/06/18/4498541/dh_leaders-620x349.jpg
Coming together: US President Barack Obama holds a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin. Photo: AFP

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/my-name-is-hannah-girl-upstages-obama-with-passionate-peace-speech-20130618-2ofbb.html

NO - I didn't think so...:nono:

If many of the world leaders are ET/human hybrids or clones as many suspect, wouldn't these two be at the top of the suspect list?

edit

:focus: in a moment.... but this question kind of jumped out of that picture. Would make an interesting poll with gut feeling, intuitive responses. No hard evidence. That may not be healthy.

[Bubu]

And warn the west against arming the rebels:cool:

http://video.xin.msn.com/watch/video/putin-wont-rule-out-arming-syria-as-g8-calls-for-talks/yq7lwig7

[sigma6]

The West is going to arm the rebels, because that is what they are, criminals supplying weapons, and they will stick a gun in the hand of anybody who can fog a mirror. So Putin just wants to do it as a reactionary measure, to maintain the higher moral ground. At least he is trying to show that he is putting the option of whether tens of thousands more will die even more horrifically in the hands of the West, problem is this isn't even a guess. The West wants death and destruction (duhhhh.....) So this is 100% predictable...

[MadMax1]

Russia only supplies them with weapons that aren't banned and are supplied under a contract that was signed long ago and are air defense weapons designed to protect Syria from an external attack. The contract states that they are not allowed to use them against there own people. I think some persion gulf countries supply them with small arms and ammo but i am not 100% sure on that one

[naste.de.lumina]

idqnFKQNHdc

[Cidersomerset]

Putin: Snowden can stay in Russia if he stops damaging US

97i3Itb-QhI

Published on 1 Jul 2013


President Vladimir Putin says NSA leaker Edward Snowden may stay in Russia, if he
wants to, but only if he stops activities aimed against the United States.

"There is one condition if he wants to remain here: he must stop his work aimed at
damaging our American partners. As odd as it may sound from me," Putin told a
media conference in Moscow. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/wct8fc

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Snowden hide'n'seek media frenzy 'diverts' from real NSA story


7YU7UdMTKQQ

Published on 30 Jun 2013


Ecuador's President meanwhile says that Snowden's fate is out of his hands - and
the whistleblower's next move depends on what Russia does. US vice president Joe
Biden urged Ecuador not to grant asylum to Snowden - but they can't do it yet
anyway, because he's not on Ecuadorian territory. Moscow though insists that they
wont be discussing what to do with the 30 year old anytime soon. RT's Thabang
Motsei takes a look back at the whistleblower's journey so far.

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Germany, France outraged by US 'Cold War' spying web

HThSh-P94Js


Published on 1 Jul 2013


Europe's reeling from revelations that its leaders and citizens have been targeted by
U.S. wiretapping and mass surveillance. That information was leaked to the German
media - and the American ambassador there has been summoned for an explanation.
RT is joined by Lizzie Phelan, newsroom chief at RT's video agency in Berlin, Ruptly. RT
is also joined by French journalist and blogger Jean Marc Manach.

[Cidersomerset]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif



Putin offers U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden asylum - on condition he stops
damaging 'American partners' with further leaksSnowden has asked for asylum in
Russia, according to a consular officialVladimir Putin said 'Russia never hands
anybody anywhere and has no intention to do so' He said Snowden must stop
damaging leaks if he wants to stay in Russia Snowden asked for asylum in Russia,
according to Russian consular official

Whistleblower is officially staying in the transit area of a Moscow airport

By Will Stewart In Moscow

PUBLISHED: 17:37, 1 July 2013 | UPDATED: 18:32, 1 July 2013




Whistleblower Edward Snowden has asked for asylum in Russia, according to a
Russian consular official.


Kim Shevchenko, the duty officer at the Russian Foreign Ministry's consular office in
Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, has said Snowden's representative, Sarah
Harrison, handed over his request yesterday, according to reports.
Earlier today Vladimir Putin dramatically offered U.S. whistleblower Snowden
political asylum - as long as he stops damaging 'our American partners' with his
leaks. A Russian consular official said Snowden asked for asylum in Russia.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352737/Putin-offers-U-S-whistleblower-Edward-Snowden-asylum--condition-stops-damaging-American-partners-leaks.html#ixzz2Xojnaaqm
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden applies for political asylum in Russia

Vladmir Putin says US whistleblower can stay if he stops 'bringing harm to our
American partners'

http://www.londonatdawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/the-guardian-logo-300x53.jpg

Miriam Elder in Moscow
The Guardian, Monday 1 July 2013 18.16 BST


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2013/7/1/1372697242520/Vladimir-Putin-hinted-Edw-008.jpg

Vladimir Putin hinted Edward Snowden could remain in Russia. Photograph: Ivan Sekretarev/AP


Vladimir Putin has for the first time floated the idea of the US whistleblower Edward
Snowden remaining in Russia, hours after the fugitive applied for political asylum in
the country.Snowden applied for asylum at the consular office at Moscow's
Sheremtyevo airport at 10.30pm on Sunday through his Wikileaks handler, Sarah
Harrison, a consular official said."The UK citizen Sarah Harrison passed on a
request by Edward Snowden to be granted political asylum," said Kim Shevchenko,
a staff member at the airport's consular department. He said he then called the
foreign ministry, who sent a courier one hour later to pick up the request.

He declined to say where Harrison or Snowden, who have not been seen since
landing in Sheremtyevo last week, were staying. "She didn't say and I didn't ask,"
he said.In a move likely to enrage the US, Putin said on Monday: "If he wants to go
somewhere and someone will take him, go ahead. If he wants to stay here, there is
one condition – he must stop his work aimed at bringing harm to our American
partners, as strange as that sounds coming from my mouth."

Snowden has been trapped in Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since 23 June after
flying in from Hong Kong, from where he leaked top secret documents detailing
NSA surveillance programmes.Stripped of his US passport, he has been stuck in
limbo since. His attempts to gain political asylum in Ecuador, whose London
embassy is currently sheltering the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, appear to
have dried up amid intense US lobbying and reported disagreements within the
Ecuadorian government.

Snowden met Russian diplomats on Monday morning and handed them a list of 15
countries where he would like to apply for political asylum, the Los Angeles Times
reported, citing an unnamed source in the foreign ministry.Putin appeared to leave
himself some latitude, noting that Snowden would be unlikely to meet his
conditions for staying in Russia.

"Considering that he considers himself a human rights activist and a fighter for
human rights, he probably doesn't plan to stop this work, so he should choose a
host country and head there," Putin said. "When this will happen I, unfortunately,
do not know."

Putin, speaking at a press conference after a meeting of gas exporting countries,
reiterated that Russia would not extradite Snowden to the US. "Russia never gives
anyone up and doesn't plan to give anyone up. And no one has ever given us
anyone."For the second time Putin, unprompted, insisted that Snowden was not
working with Russia's secret services. "Mr Snowden is not our agent, never was and
isn't today. Our special services have never worked with him and are not working
with him."

Russia maintains one of the world's most developed intelligence mechanisms and is
widely believed to engage in snooping on its own citizens. In stark contrast to
Russia's approach to Snowden, whom Putin likened to the Soviet-era dissident
Andrei Sakharov, Russian whistleblowers are often attacked – one, the anti-
corruption activist Alexey Navalny, is currently on trial and another, the lawyer
Sergei Magnitsky, died in prison.And yet Assange remains a champion of the
Kremlin. Earlier this month, the WikiLeaks founder, who had a television show on
the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel Russia Today, said he had
advised Snowden to seek asylum there.

Nicolás Maduro, the Venezuelan president, is currently in Moscow for the two-day
gas conference and it was believed he and Putin would discuss Snowden's fate.
Putin's foreign policy adviser, Yury Ushakov, said the pair had not discussed
Snowden yet.A campaign calling for Snowden to stay in Russia has gathered
momentum since he first arrived in Moscow last week. On Monday , several MPs
and influential Russians floated the idea during a meeting of the Public Chamber, a
body that advises the Kremlin.

"It's not right that Snowden is sitting in this terminal like in a prison," said Sergei
Markov, a former MP who maintains close ties to the Kremlin. "Unlike prison, he
can't even go out and breathe fresh air. On humanitarian grounds, I think he
should be presented with a way to enter Russian territory."

Several MPs said they would nominate Snowden for a Nobel peace prize. The
overtures to Snowden, charged under espionage laws in the US, come as US-Russia
relations plummet to cold war lows.Just before Putin made his comments, one of
his top aides said that US-Russia attempts to find possible solutions to the conflict
around Snowden were rather difficult.

"Of course [Putin and Obama] don't have a decision that would suit both sides, so
they have ordered FSB director [Alexander] Bortnikov and FBI director [Robert]
Mueller to be in constant contact and find possible solutions," Nikolai Patrushev,
head of Russia's security council and a former head of the FSB, told state-run Vesti
television."We must also stress that the task they have is rather difficult, because
they must find a solution within the framework of international law. We can't
directly say today that such norms exist, or that there's a ready recipe," he said.

Since Putin first acknowledged Snowden's arrival in Moscow, officials have
repeatedly noted the absence of a bilateral extradition treaty. Russia has often
expressed concern over its citizens held in the US, namely Viktor Bout, a convicted
arms trafficker with suspected ties to Kremlin officials.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/01/putin-snowden-remain-russia-offer

[Cidersomerset]

Barack Obama on Edward Snowden

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http://i1.ytimg.com/i/TrQ7HXWRRxr7OsOtodr2_w/1.jpg?v=a2bac9

Published on 1 Jul 2013


US president Barack Obama implies that European countries could be spying
on the US, saying there are plenty of European leaders who want to know what
he is thinking, during a press conference in Tanzania.

Read more here: http://www.channel4.com/news/prism-sp...

[Maia Gabrial]

Who's Putin fooling?

[Bubu]

Is he mocking or what?

[Dick]

yeah right, only if he tells uncle Putin all he knows :rolleyes:

[Cidersomerset]

Of course he knows what he is doing, this is all part of the Spygames they have been playing for decades.....

Spy Game Movie Trailer "Dinner Out"

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(2001) Director: Tony Scott

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Who's Putin fooling?

Is he mocking or what?

yeah right, only if he tells uncle Putin all he knows





Re: Bugging Brussels: New Snowden leak claims NSA spies on EU diplomats

This is not new and I expect the Spy masters in Russia and China are having a
good laugh....


http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/611x404xputin-comrade.jpg.pagespeed.ic.naQokTOZmG.


ECHELON Locations (Google Earth)

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Uploaded on 24 Aug 2009


ECHELON LOCATIONS:
RAF Menwith Hill (North Yorkshire, UK)
GCHQ Bude (Cornwall, UK)
Sugar Grove (West Virginia, US)
Naval Security Group Activity Sabana Seca (Puerto Rico, US) (*decommissioned)
Yakima Training Center (Washington, US)
GCSB Waihopai (Marlborough, NZ)
Pine Gap (Northern Territory, AU)
Australian Defence Satellite Communications Station (Western Australia, AU)
Chung Hom Kok (Hong Kong, HK)(*decommissioned)
Misawa Air Base (Aomori, JP)
Ayios Nikolaos Station (Cyprus, UK)
Bad Aibling Station (Bavaria, DE)
Griesheim Site (Hesse, DE)
Canadian Forces Station Leitrim (Ontario, CA)
NSA Headquarters, Fort Meade (Maryland, US)
Gordon Regional Security Operations Center (Georgia, US)
Medina Regional Security Operations Center (Texas, US)
Buckley Air Force Base (Colorado, US)
Kunia Regional Security Operations Center (Hawaii, US)
Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station Guam (Guam, US)
Shoal Bay Receiving Station (Northern Territory, AU)


Top secret US spy base in Yorkshire

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Uploaded on 5 Jul 2011


Protestors in the UK have called for the US to end its occupation of the country.
The anti-war demonstrators were speaking outside the top secret US Menwith
Hill air base in northern England, which is used to spy on the world's
communications. Roshan Muhammed Salih reports.



Related thread...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60355-MENWITH-HILL-NSA-s-Spy-Center-in-the-UK-2012-Report---This-is-not-new----

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60645-Bugging-Brussels-New-Snowden-leak-claims-NSA-spies-on-EU-diplomats&p=695948#post695948

[Cidersomerset]

This is amusing just checked RT and there next item.....

NSA's New Spy Game?

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Published on 1 Jul 2013


The old spy game, as portrayed in Hollywood with moles and secret
briefcase exchanges, is no more. It's been replaced by a new spy
game led by the NSA, which the world is just now finding out about
thanks to Edward Snowden's leaks. The latest leak covers a global
surveillance system run out of the NSA targeting now just enemies
of the United States, but allies as well. So what does this new spy
game look like? And are there any limits to it? Political Commentator
Sam Sacks breaks it down.

[ghostrider]

since when did Russia give a hoot about american interest ??? what would we do with a Russian whistleblower, we already know what the U.S. did with german wistleblowers , ehummmm paperclip ...

[MadMax1]

Of course he knows what he is doing, this is all part of the Spygames they have been playing for decades.....

Spy Game Movie Trailer "Dinner Out"

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(2001) Director: Tony Scott

8PedtPtjP2w

====================================================



Who's Putin fooling?

Is he mocking or what?

yeah right, only if he tells uncle Putin all he knows





Re: Bugging Brussels: New Snowden leak claims NSA spies on EU diplomats

This is not new and I expect the Spy masters in Russia and China are having a
good laugh....


http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/611x404xputin-comrade.jpg.pagespeed.ic.naQokTOZmG.


ECHELON Locations (Google Earth)

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Uploaded on 24 Aug 2009


ECHELON LOCATIONS:
RAF Menwith Hill (North Yorkshire, UK)
GCHQ Bude (Cornwall, UK)
Sugar Grove (West Virginia, US)
Naval Security Group Activity Sabana Seca (Puerto Rico, US) (*decommissioned)
Yakima Training Center (Washington, US)
GCSB Waihopai (Marlborough, NZ)
Pine Gap (Northern Territory, AU)
Australian Defence Satellite Communications Station (Western Australia, AU)
Chung Hom Kok (Hong Kong, HK)(*decommissioned)
Misawa Air Base (Aomori, JP)
Ayios Nikolaos Station (Cyprus, UK)
Bad Aibling Station (Bavaria, DE)
Griesheim Site (Hesse, DE)
Canadian Forces Station Leitrim (Ontario, CA)
NSA Headquarters, Fort Meade (Maryland, US)
Gordon Regional Security Operations Center (Georgia, US)
Medina Regional Security Operations Center (Texas, US)
Buckley Air Force Base (Colorado, US)
Kunia Regional Security Operations Center (Hawaii, US)
Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station Guam (Guam, US)
Shoal Bay Receiving Station (Northern Territory, AU)


Top secret US spy base in Yorkshire

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Uploaded on 5 Jul 2011


Protestors in the UK have called for the US to end its occupation of the country.
The anti-war demonstrators were speaking outside the top secret US Menwith
Hill air base in northern England, which is used to spy on the world's
communications. Roshan Muhammed Salih reports.



Related thread...


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60355-MENWITH-HILL-NSA-s-Spy-Center-in-the-UK-2012-Report---This-is-not-new----

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60645-Bugging-Brussels-New-Snowden-leak-claims-NSA-spies-on-EU-diplomats&p=695948#post695948



The large tower structure in the bottom video tells m this base was used or is used for more then just an intelligence gathering base those structures are put into bases for one reason to have a full 360 degree view of everything inside and outside of the base, those who have seen them before will know what they are associated with.

[Tesseract]

This just in from Wikileaks:


On 30th June 2013 WikiLeaks’ legal advisor in the Edward Snowden matter, Sarah Harrison, submitted by hand a number of requests for asylum and asylum assistance on behalf of Edward J. Snowden, the NSA whistleblower.

The requests were delivered to an official at the Russian consulate at Sheremetyevo Airport in Moscow late in the evening. The documents outline the risks of persecution Mr Snowden faces in the United States and have started to be delivered by the Russian consulate to the relevant embassies in Moscow.

The requests were made to a number of countries including the Republic of Austria, the Plurinational State of Bolivia, the Federative Republic of Brazil, the People’s Republic of China, the Republic of Cuba, the Republic of Finland, the French Republic, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Republic of India, the Italian Republic, the Republic of Ireland, the Kingdom of the Netherlands, the Republic of Nicaragua, the Kingdom of Norway, the Republic of Poland, the Russian Federation, the Kingdom of Spain, the Swiss Confederation and the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela

http://wikileaks.org/Edward-Snowden-submits-asylum.html

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden makes his first statement from Moscow

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Published on 1 Jul 2013


The anti-secrecy website Wikileaks has now released a letter that was allegedly
written by Edward Snowden. It says: "The Obama administration has now adopted
the strategy of using citizenship as a weapon. Although I am convicted of nothing,
it has unilaterally revoked my passport, leaving me a stateless person. Without any
judicial order, the administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A
right that belongs to everybody. The right to seek asylum." Meanwhile, earlier
today, we found out that an anonymous Russian official told the LA Times that
Snowden has now filed for asylum in no fewer than 15 countries. For reaction on
the letter and the latest from the Snowden saga, RT Political Commentator Sam
Sacks and Abby Martin, the host of Breaking the Set, join us.

[Cidersomerset]

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2 July 2013 Last updated at 10:56

Edward Snowden 'broadens asylum requests' -

Fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has sent asylum requests to 21
countries, according to a statement published by Wikileaks.

They include China, France, Ireland and Venezuela. But six European countries said
the requests were invalid.

And Russia said Mr Snowden later withdrew the application to Moscow as the Kremlin had set conditions

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23139980

[Cidersomerset]

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Edward Snowden: Obama guilty of deceit over extradition

US president pledged to avoid 'wheeling and dealing' while bullying countries that
might grant asylum, says whistleblower


Dan Roberts in Washington and Rory Carroll in Quito

The Guardian, Tuesday 2 July 2013

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Edward Snowden
In the statement released by WikiLeaks, Snowden claimed the US president had
employed the 'old, bad tools of political aggression'. Photograph: Reuters/The
Guardian Edward Snowden has accused Barack Obama of deception for promising
in public to avoid diplomatic "wheeling and dealing" over his extradition, while
privately pressuring countries to refuse his requests for asylum.Snowden, the
surveillance whistleblower who is thought to be trapped in the legal limbo of a
transit zone at Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport, used his first public comments
since fleeing Hong Kong to attack the US for revoking his passport. He also accused
his country of bullying nations that might grant him asylum.

"On Thursday, President Obama declared before the world that he would not permit
any diplomatic 'wheeling and dealing' over my case," Snowden said in a statement
released by WikiLeaks.

"Yet now it is being reported that after promising not to do so, the president
ordered his vice-president to pressure the leaders of nations from which I have
requested protection to deny my asylum petitions. This kind of deception from a
world leader is not justice, and neither is the extralegal penalty of exile. These are
the old, bad tools of political aggression."

Snowden's increasingly desperate predicament became further apparent on Monday
night with the leak of a letter he had written to Ecuador praising its "bravery" and
expressing "deep respect and sincere thanks" for considering his request for
political asylum.But the change in mood in Quito, already apparent at the end of
last week, was underlined by an interview Rafael Correa, the president, gave to the
Guardian on Monday in which he insisted Ecuador will not now help Snowden leave
Moscow and never intended to facilitate his attempted flight to South America.
Correa blamed earlier signs of encouragement on a misunderstanding by its London
embassy.

"That we are responsible for getting him to Ecuador? It's not logical. The country
that has to give him a safe conduct document is Russia," Correa said at the
presidential palace in Quito. Correa said his government did not intentionally help
Snowden travel from Hong Kong to Moscow with a temporary travel pass. "It was a
mistake on our part."

In his statement through WikiLeaks, which has been assisting him since he left
Hong Kong on 10 June, Snowden contrasted the current US approach to his
extradition with its previous support of political dissidents in other countries.

"For decades the United States of America has been one of the strongest defenders
of the human right to seek asylum," he said. "Sadly, this right, laid out and voted
for by the US in article 14 of the universal declaration of human rights, is now being
rejected by the current government of my country."

Snowden also accused the Obama administration of "using citizenship as a
weapon", which has apparently left him unable to leave the airport in Moscow.

"Although I am convicted of nothing, [the US] has unilaterally revoked my
passport, leaving me a stateless person," he said. "Without any judicial order, the
administration now seeks to stop me exercising a basic right. A right that belongs
to everybody. The right to seek asylum."

Moscow confirmed earlier on Monday that Snowden had applied for political asylum
in Russia. The LA Times said Snowden had made similar applications to a total of 15
countries.The former NSA contractor struck a defiant tone on Monday night. "In
the end, the Obama administration is not afraid of whistleblowers like me, Bradley
Manning or Thomas Drake," he said. "We are stateless, imprisoned or powerless.
No, the Obama administration is afraid of you.

"It is afraid of an informed, angry public demanding the constitutional government
it was promised – and it should be. I am unbowed in my convictions and impressed
at the efforts taken by so many."

His statement also came shortly after one of Obama's top intelligence officials, US
director of national intelligence, James Clapper, was forced to apologise to
Congress</a> for "erroneous" claims that the US did not collect data on its own
citizens.Snowden paid tribute to those who had helped him force such disclosures.

"One week ago I left Hong Kong after it became clear that my freedom and safety
were under threat for revealing the truth," he said.

"My continued liberty has been owed to the efforts of friends new and old, family,
and others who I have never met and probably never will. I trusted them with my
life and they returned that trust with a faith in me for which I will always be
thankful."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-barack-obama-wikileaks

[Cidersomerset]

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Edward Snowden withdraws Russian asylum request

NSA whistleblower withdraws asylum request after Putin says he could stay only if he stopped harming US interests
Miriam Elder in Moscow

guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 2 July 2013 10.20 BST

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Edward Snowden has withdrawn his request fior political asylum in Russia.
Photograph: The Guardian/AFP/Getty Images


Edward Snowden has withdrawn his request for political asylum from Russia, the
Kremlin said on Tuesday, further adding to the uncertainty over the US
whistleblower's future.A spokesman for Russian president Vladimir Putin said
Snowden withdrew the request after Putin's statement making clear that he would
be welcome only if he stopped "his work aimed at bringing harm" to the United
States.

"Snowden really asked to remain in Russia," Dmitry Peskov, the spokesman,
said. "Learning yesterday of Russia's position… he abandoned his intentions and his
request to get the possibility to stay in Russia."

Russia has refused to hand over Snowden, charged under espionage laws in the US
after leaking top-secret documents on US surveillance programmes. He has been
kept hidden away since 23 June, when he landed in Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport
from Hong Kong.His attempts to win asylum have been fraught with difficulty.
Rafael Correa, president of Ecuador, told the Guardian that his country, whose
London embassy is sheltering WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, was not
considering Snowden's asylum request.

He also said Ecuador never intended to facilitate Snowden's flight from Hong Kong,
calling his London consul's decision to issue temporary travel documents to
Snowden "a mistake".

Speaking to Reuters in Moscow on Tuesday on the second day of a two-day visit,
Nicolas Maduro, the Venezuelan president, said Snowden "deserves the world's
protection".

He said Venezuela had not yet received an asylum request from Snowden. Asked
whether he would take Snowden back to Venezuela with him, Maduro answered
wryly: "What we're taking with us are multiple agreements that we're signing with
Russia, including oil and gas." But he added his support for the US
whistleblower: "Edward Snowden is a 29-year-old young, brave man who didn't kill
anyone, didn't give any reason for the start of war," Russian news agencies cited
Maduro as saying.A WikiLeaks statement released early on Tuesday said that in
addition to Ecuador and Iceland, Snowden had made asylum requests to 19
countries, including Venezuela, China, Bolivia, France and Germany.

Maduro said Venezuela would examine the asylum request once it was
received. "We think this young person has done something very important for
humanity, has done a favour to humanity, has spoken great truths to deconstruct a
world… that is controlled by an imperialist American elite," he said.


At least two countries where Snowden requested asylum have said they will not
cooperate. Radoslaw Sikorski, the Polish foreign minister, said that Snowden's
request did "not meet the requirements for a formal application for asylum. Even if
it did, I will not give a positive recommendation."

Finland said on Tuesday that it could not accept his application as Finnish law
required him to be in the country. Finnish foreign ministry spokeswoman Tytti
Pylkko said that Snowden had sent his request by fax to Finland's embassy in
Moscow.Peskov did not detail how Snowden withdrew his asylum request from
Russia. The request was handed to a Russian consular official at Moscow's
Sheremetyevo airport late on Sunday via Snowden's WikiLeaks handler, Sarah
Harrison.In an awkwardly phrased statement released via WikiLeaks late on
Monday, Snowden accused the Obama administration of "using citizenship as a
weapon" and placing undue pressure on countries where he had applied for asylum.

John Kerry, the US secretary of state, spoke with his Russian counterpart, Sergey
Lavrov on Tuesday on the sidelines of a summit of the Association of Southeast
Asian Nations (Asean) on Tuesday. Lavrov told reporters that the two did not
discuss Snowden.


• According to WikiLeaks, Snowden has requested asylum from Austria, Bolivia,
Brazil, China, Cuba, Ecuador, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, India, Italy,
Ireland, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Poland, Russia, Spain, Switzerland,
Venezuela.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-nsa-withdraws-asylum-russia-putin

[turiya]

http://static.guim.co.uk/static/11808dc8b0585c4bcad96cbb1ba45f516a7b96bf/common/images/logos/the-guardian/titlepiece.gif

Edward Snowden withdraws Russian asylum request

NSA whistleblower withdraws asylum request after Putin says he could stay only if he stopped harming US interests
Miriam Elder in Moscow
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-nsa-withdraws-asylum-russia-putin

Seems this is possibly one of several interesting chess moves that are yet to be played as this story develops. Sibel Edmond's Boiling Frog's Post (http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/07/01/could-russia-turn-snowden-into-a-bargaining-chip/) has also interjected something that many may have forgotten about. Regarding Putin's refusal to comply with the U.S. request for extradition, Putin has said:
“Russia has never extradited anyone and is not going to do so. Same as no one has ever been extradited to Russia".

This could change still...
As Sibel Edmonds reminds us that a couple years ago Russia was quite upset with the imprisonment of one of their own. As this tidbit that was struck on through CNN's Jake Tappert.

CNN’s Jake Tappert gets an interesting response from The New Republic's Julia Ioffe:

Jake Tappert: "Russian President Vladimir Putin confirmed that Edward Snowden, the NSA contractor responsible for one of the biggest intelligence leaks in U.S. history is in Moscow. Russia will not turn him over to the U.S. According to Putin, Snowden is in the transit area of the Moscow airport, and has not officially crossed the border into Russia. Some are questioning whether any U.S. president could handle this awkward situation any differently."

Julia Ioffe: "It could be handled differently if not for two words: Viktor Bout,"
http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/25/experts-with-snowden-u-s-is-getting-a-taste-of-its-own-medicine-from-russia/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxYc_3J-0A
Question: So, Who is Viktor Bout?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02042/Viktor-Bout_2042673c.jpg

From CNN:

Moscow (CNN) — Russia criticized the United States on Friday for handing down a 25-year sentence to Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, saying the verdict against him was “baseless and biased.”

Bout, who denies wrongdoing, was sentenced Thursday to 25 years behind bars by a federal judge in New York.

Bout, who was dubbed “the merchant of death” by his accusers, was convicted last year on four counts of conspiracy to kill Americans, acquire and export anti-aircraft missiles and provide material support to a terrorist organization.

Russia’s foreign ministry accused the United States of acting illegally when its agents arrested Bout in Thailand and of pursuing a political agenda after he was extradited to the United States to face trial.

Viktor Bout atty: ‘We intend to appeal’

In a statement, Russia accused the United States of seeking a forced confession by “creating intolerable conditions of detention, physical and psychological impact.”

In addition, the Russian foreign ministry said, U.S. authorities also encouraged a media campaign against Bout, which was bound to influence the jury.

The foreign ministry will do everything it can to bring Bout back to Russia, its statement said. Source (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/06/justice/russia-us-viktor-bout-case)


So, what does this mean? …not really certain, but it indeed has some things that seem to be quite interesting. For instance, Russia seemed to want to have Viktor Bout back in their custody. The US quite bluntly refused.

There must be a good reason why they want this man back? We will have to see how this unfolds, if at all.

In the meantime, I have posted below a mp3 excerpt (30 minute) from the Red Ice interview with Patrick Henningsen (http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/06/RIR-130628.php) (a journalist formerly with Infowars). Henrik Palmgren & Patrick Henningsen question whether the Snowden whistle blow was part of the rollout of a preplanned cover-up of something else. Yet, I find that Patrick may have stumbled upon something that he said at around the 8 minute mark of that mp3 excerpt (posted below) of that interview... if Snowden had such intricate access to information, what could he, then, tell of what he would know of the 9/11 event?

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/P84IbTAZPss/hqdefault.jpg

Red Ice Radio Interview w/ Patrick Henningsen: http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/RIR/Patrick_Henningsen_Hour1_Snowden_06282013.mp3


__________________________________________________ _______

Late Edit:
Also found that Gordon Duff, of Veteran's Today, had written the following concerning Russia & Viktor Bout (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/06/victor-bout-must-be-silenced/):

Russia has demanded Bout’s release. This means that Putin, despite his public pronouncements otherwise, is fully aware that Bush and Israel are responsible for 9/11. Bout only supplied the weapon, he didn’t plan the attack.

He simply thought he was doing an arms deal with Israel and the United States, the same thing he had been doing for years. This was his job and these were his actual clients.

There was no “sting operation” involving Columbia and Stinger missiles, the whole thing was entirely invented. Bout was detained on US demand to be silenced as he had spoken to too many people about how he resented being involved in 9/11.

Bout is innocent of any crime and the real criminals are living in safety and luxury though Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others are not free to travel as they face arrest for war crimes involved in the illegal attack on Iraq.
Source (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/06/victor-bout-must-be-silenced/)

Just will have to wait & see where this Snowden thing ends up going to.

turiya :cool:

[Snookie]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find this comment suspious?

"For the second time Putin, unprompted, insisted that Snowden was not
working with Russia's secret services. "Mr Snowden is not our agent, never was and
isn't today. Our special services have never worked with him and are not working
with him."

Why bring the subject up when no one else has suggested it? Is he trying to tell us something?

[Cidersomerset]

Venezuela considers asylum for Snowden

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Published on 2 Jul 2013


NSA leaker Edward Snowden is running out of options when it comes
to seeking political asylum for his involvement in releasing sensitive
information about the American spying program to The Guardian.
Although the whistleblower is stuck in a Moscow airport, he has
applied for asylum to dozens of countries. Many countries have
denied his request, but Venezuela's president has publicly supported
the leaker and may fulfill the request. Egor Piskunov has more from Moscow.

[bogeyman]

Maybe Russia wants the information to work on themselves hence don't spill the beans.

[Cidersomerset]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find this comment suspious?

Something does not feel right about this, maybe because I just watched the NSA
documentary Enemy of the state ...LOL,,,Anyway lets keep an eye on it.



from other thread....


" ----- Me " This movie is crammed with inside info and Hollywood Mk Ultra ...LOL..

All the way thru you can recognise truth hidden in fiction, theres a great scene the
copper cage when they talked a lot about the spy state starting from the 1940's
Then they identify Reynold Thomas Ryan, and his date of birth comes up as

' 9/11 ' 1940 ........LOL... 1hr 31min 54 sec in....."Inside joke or What " !!!


Theres 364 other dates and eleven other months, this cannot be a coincidence !!

or 5min 50 sec on this clip of what I just said above .....

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[Cidersomerset]

In the meantime, I have posted below a mp3 excerpt (30 minute) from the Red Ice interview with Patrick Henningsen (a journalist formerly with Infowars). Henrik Palmgren & Patrick Henningsen question whether the Snowden whistle blow was part of the rollout of a preplanned cover-up of something else. Yet, I find that Patrick may have stumbled upon something that he said at around the 8 minute mark of that mp3 excerpt (posted below) of that interview... if Snowden had such intricate access to information, what could he, then, tell of what he would know of the 9/11 event?

Edward Snowden has released snippets but Menwith Hill, Echolon , prism is well
known especially to foreign intelligence agencies. Why did he not go straight to
Ecuador or Venezuelia especially if he is being guided by Wiki leaks ? There is still
plenty to be aware of , but all we can do is watch how it plays out, and hope
this is not some sort of 'Whistle blower False flag' operation....

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden rumored to be on Bolivian president's plane

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Published on 2 Jul 2013


Bolivian president's plane rerouted in Austria amidst Snowden scare Reports are
coming in that Bolivian leader Evo Morales' plane was forced to make an emergency
landing in Austria on suspicion that NSA leaker Edward Snowden might be on
board. Bolivia's foreign minister, David Choquehuanca, said it was a lie and
Snowden was not on the plane. Associated Press reports indicate that the plane
was rerouted to Austria after France and Portugal refused to let it cross into their
airspace. President Morales was in Russia attending an energy and gas summit. He
sat down for an exclusive interview with RT Spanish earlier today, where he told
reporters that he would absolutely consider granting Snowden asylum. WikiLeaks
announced today that Snowden has applied for asylum in no fewer than 21
countries-- including some of the very countries his NSA documents prove the US
was spying on. RT's political commentator Sam Sacks breaks it down.

[Cidersomerset]

'Imperial Skyjacking': Bolivian pres. jet grounded in Austria over rumours Snowden

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Published on 2 Jul 2013


Bolivia was left outraged after a number of European states refused to
let a plane carrying its President enter their airspace. All because of
rumours that surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden, may have
been on board. RT's Egor Piskunov has more on the mile-high asylum
drama. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/hcs26s

[ulli]

Snowden rumored to be on Bolivian president's plane

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Published on 2 Jul 2013


Bolivian president's plane rerouted in Austria amidst Snowden scare Reports are
coming in that Bolivian leader Evo Morales' plane was forced to make an emergency
landing in Austria on suspicion that NSA leaker Edward Snowden might be on
board. Bolivia's foreign minister, David Choquehuanca, said it was a lie and
Snowden was not on the plane. Associated Press reports indicate that the plane
was rerouted to Austria after France and Portugal refused to let it cross into their
airspace. President Morales was in Russia attending an energy and gas summit. He
sat down for an exclusive interview with RT Spanish earlier today, where he told
reporters that he would absolutely consider granting Snowden asylum. WikiLeaks
announced today that Snowden has applied for asylum in no fewer than 21
countries-- including some of the very countries his NSA documents prove the US
was spying on. RT's political commentator Sam Sacks breaks it down.

And yet they refused him? How can this be?
Because they don't want to get into trouble.
To even be on the US radar is enough to put
the well- being of all of their citizens at risk.
Ask the Iraqis.
Leaders of countries like Bolivia are very brave.
They know they are racing against time,
and hope that a world consensus can be reached
to expose and put a stop to what the US government is plotting
before they are targeted themselves.
What Chavez said about his cancer was probably true. Barbados had a youngish prime minister,
leftish policies, and who died of cancer, while in office, just a couple of years ago,
and he was not even on the list of victims which Chavez had quoted.

[Cidersomerset]

Snowden inspired by Manning to reveal NSA spying?

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Published on 2 Jul 2013


Leaker Edward Snowden has been scrambling to find asylum after leaking details of
the NSA's elaborate spying program on Americans. As of now, no country has
granted the 30-year-old sanctuary to avoid extradition to the US for his actions, but
according to some reports Snowden was inspired by Private first class Bradley
Manning. Michael Brooks, producer for The Majority Report, compares the two
whistleblowers

[Cidersomerset]

I had seen the movie years ago, but like the poster on this vid I was blown
away watching it again with knowledge I have picked up on Avalon open
university forum and else where...LOL...Steve



Enemy of the State (1998) Predicts Edward Snowden's Revelations

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june 2013

Enemy of the State was made in 1998 and stars Gene Hackman,
Lisa Bonet, Regina King, Will Smith, Jack Black, Jon Voight, and
Jason Lee. This all-star cast stars in a film that performed well
in its time, yet seems all the more relevant, intelligent, and
interesting today. Edward Snowden didn't say too much that
this movie didn't exactly say! It's pretty mind-blowing how
intelligent and well-informed script-writers were... or at least
they were great guessers.

[ulli]

I worked with a screen writer.
His imagination was so powerful that he would see the finished movie
the screen of his inner eye, they way psychics get their vision. He said most of them operate that way.
They need partners, to fill in the technical detail. One of his characters was an astrologer, so he needed me to help get the astrology lingo right.

He also told me that Hollywood was using more and more occult themes,
as the public were demanding those kinds of movies.

[Cidersomerset]

I worked with a screen writer.
His imagination was so powerful that he would see the finished movie
the screen of his inner eye, they way psychics get their vision. He said most of them operate that way.
They need partners, to fill in the technical detail. One of his characters was an astrologer, so he needed
me to help get the astrology lingo right.
He told me that Hollywood was using more and more occult themes,
as the public were demanding those kinds of movies.

Bob Nevritt & James Martinez say many Hollywood & other writers use the web for
inspiration as well as those putting out the intelligence agendas and the fact the
Elites have to tell the public their plans usually hidden in plain site on TV or in a
movie, or book.

Also many elites channel or have direct contact with ET's and human parallel
worlders. In the last couple Payday shows Bob has been playing private tapes about
real Vampires. There are about 2.500 million world wide and aprox 194,000 in
Hollywood and is partly why they are being portrayed in many movies etc. I know
this sounds crazy but you have to listen to the tapes. Bob has been playing them
over the last 12 hours of recent shows. Though International farm should be
piecing it together in one MP3 in which case I may post it at some time.

But reality and frequency is nothing what we think it is , some already know
this , but now with the web more are realising it.

[Cidersomerset]

Russell Brand on his recent comedy pro mo tour
still popping up on political programmes...


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[ulli]

I worked with a screen writer.
His imagination was so powerful that he would see the finished movie
the screen of his inner eye, they way psychics get their vision. He said most of them operate that way.
They need partners, to fill in the technical detail. One of his characters was an astrologer, so he needed
me to help get the astrology lingo right.
He told me that Hollywood was using more and more occult themes,
as the public were demanding those kinds of movies.


Bob Nevritt & James Martinez say many Hollywood & other writers use
the web for inspiration as well as those putting out the intelligence
agendas and the fact the Elites have to tell the public their plans
usually hidden in plain site on TV or in a movie, or book.

That is true as well. Writers don't get paid a lot of money;
only $1000 per page, so the gifted ones pine for awards.

Once they win an award studios may bid for their services,
and only then can they get into the million dollar bracket.

So they will hunt all over the web, searching for inspiration,
and even have psychic abilities and dreams, they don't quite get the big picture,
and so their message is blurred by their own shadow,
as well as the general Hollywood shadow which is rather dark still.
But there are some amazing people in Hollywood, too,
and working in the midst of that darkness, without it affecting them.

I have great respect for them, since I escaped from that world;
I'm just too sensitive to tolerate those energies.

P.S. this is why I love Russell Brand, too. He is one of the chosen ones, who can help enlighten the masses. Very, very pure guy. Lets keep him protected.
We know what happened to other bright light comedians like Bill Hicks and George Carlin.

[Cidersomerset]

P.S. this is why I love Russell Brand, too. He is one of the chosen ones, who can help enlighten the masses. Very, very pure guy. Lets keep him protected.
We know what happened to other bright light comedians like Bill Hicks and George Carlin.

I know Ulli I almost said, now he is becoming more prominent on these shows, he will become a
target for either ridicule/smear or even more sinister. With his past weaknesses it would not take
much for him to have a ' Relapse & found Overdosed' in the future...Scary stuff....

[Tesseract]

Well, the action man stunts have gone from silly to pathetic as this comedian tries to maintain the worn out facade. Meanwhile, the US has continued its conquest of the Middle East without disruption. In recent years the chief foreign policy assertion of Russia was the war with Georgia in 2008 (Medvedev was President then) – of which the Russian action has been vindicated by independent investigation. Since then, Russia’s most daring affront to the US has been the banning of the adoption of Russian orphans by American surrogates.

Perhaps this man just has no real convictions, after all, it was not so long ago that he was happily cavorting with George W Bush. Now we learn that he will not accept Snowden into Russia unless Snowden agrees to stop embarrassing the USA. The Russian President’s protestations, although portrayed as blunt, over US action in Libya, Syria and elsewhere have been perfunctory, transient and feeble. All in all, I’d say he’s been rather compliant when it comes to the USA’s wrong doings.


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At least the organisers of Sochi 2014 won’t have any difficulty in finding a clown for the opening ceremony.

[mosquito]

Agreed.

He's what we English would call "All mouth and no trousers". Russian style machismo at its' best ! He's there to scare the gullible American public into believing that the commies are coming, the truth being that he's as far up the American rectum as it's possible to get. Two equally odious puppets being controlled by the same master.

I've decided that I'm simply going to ignore politics and politicians, they are an irrelevance which we should all consciously choose to not believe in. Don't give them power, WE can create a peaceful world and a human family which lives in harmony, it's as simple as turning off your TV and doing something real.

[bogeyman]

Russia only protects its vital interests, it has the economic, and to some degree military power to intervene, but if it is not in its interests then it doesn't get involved.

[MadMax1]

I agree with you bogeyman if it's not in their interests to do something they don't which means if it does not benifet them they don't get involved, that is how Vladimin plays the game it was in his interests to stand up for Syria so he did. They have had a long standing contract and relations with Syria and Iran so if he did not stand up on their behalf he would be shooting himself in the foot economically. The reason he made the terms for Snowden is for the same reason it would not benifit him to give the man asylum and continue to let him reveal secrets about the USA, yes it made them look stupid and i bet he enjoyed seeing the USA squirm however it would not benifit him to let snowden keep dishing out secrets as the damage is already done. Plus it still makes him look good in the eyes of the US government.

[naste.de.lumina]

All countries take action only by interests.
Often personal interests of its elites.
This is not a surprise.
In the case of Syria, in addition to commercial interest, is the fact that after his fall Iran would be next. That is the reason for the red line in Syria.

[xeon]

It's all lies, deceit, smoke and mirrors with govts, and if you would believe, all of them are in cahoots with each other. The global controlling structure is essentially masonic, and it is very easy to see when you examine the govt buildings in just about every country. The US may have a strong Nazi element as well.

The end of the "Cold War" merely facilitated the "masonification" of the former Russian states, for example, Astana, Kazakhstan, is full of blatant, newly constructed masonic buildings.

There are also rumors that Putin was assassinated and cloned. Some insist the present Putin is not the original Putin, but a double or clone, since circa 2006.

IMO, we are all in a slow boil. :(

[Tesseract]

I agree with the comments about nations acting in their own interests. However, it really was not in Russia's interests to let Libya fall like it did.

[naste.de.lumina]

It is hard to understand the inertia of russia against the fall of Libya.
Probably the Russians agreed.
The reasons for this are unclear to me.
But it is interesting to note the official media blackout regarding the news of Libya.
Virtually disappeared from the radar. Nothing is a coincidence that environment.

[ghostrider]

dirty little secret, Russia and america when it comes to politics have always been one in the same... they just appear to be foes to keep the masses off guard ...they all eat at the same table, when the cameras are off, they slap each other on the back and say , that was your best performance yet, this round is on me ...

[sigma6]

http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html

entertaining to say the least... referenced from Fulford's latest page,
should boost their ratings by a few hundred thousand in the coming weeks...

[Camilo]

Thanks for the laugh!

[sigma6]

Something still doesn't smell right with this whole deal. Maybe it is just me, but does anyone get the feeling that there is some sneaky software in those "4 laptops" (bait) that Snowden is "shopping" around?

Is it possible the US is 'manipulating' the situation by "expiring" his passport, perfectly timed, while he is in a Russian airport? What are the odds, given how little time people usually spend between countries when travelling? And it's also suspect that although there are so many nations willing to take him our "hero", who increases the risk of danger the longer he delays, still prolongs the issue and can't make up his mind?...

Reminds of the girl at the dance who won't dance because she hasn't had the "right guy" ask her yet (the one she is angling for...)

Has anyone considered there is some super sophisticated malware type software in those laptops just waiting to reek havoc on who ever is crazy enough to take "the bait" ??

Just not adding up in my mind...

[Cidersomerset]

In one sense this is a very amusing interview, one former intelligence officer
Putin having a strong dig at his counterparts in Langly and Washington. As
he says Snowden has no intelligence value to Russia. Remember Russia is
still a major power with similar 'Spy ware' as the west, so it is still part
of the alphabet agencies games of 'I Spy' ! Straight out of a James Bond plot.

Edward Snowden is safe for now, but may want to slip to a safer haven if
possible.....

'Russia's only choice is to permit Snowden to live here' - Putin

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Published on 5 Sep 2013


Ahead of the G20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russian President Vladimir Putin sat down
for an interview with AP and Channel 1. Among many issues, the leader spoke about
Snowden, Syria, and Russia's controversial gay propaganda law

[Snookie]

Boy is he good!

He speaks on many levels. The main point I get out of this is that Putin is telling the US that if Snowden is such a dastardly criminal in their eyes, then put up or shut up. Put in place an extradiction treaty that goes BOTH ways. If you want him back so badly, then you'll have to send us people we want back as well.

He then goes on to pretty much say that he thinks the US will end up changing their mind about Snowden and let the matter drop because they don't want to agree to any treaty. Besides, he claims Snowden is of no use to him so he has no dog in this fight.

On another level he is saying that it was all a shell game from the very beginning, he knows it and he knows the US knows it as well. He's really enjoying the game. He has basically painted the US into a corner. I say he has won this round.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

It reminds me of world war two.
Russia helped the Jews move east and hide from the Nazi invaders.

Looks like they are still hiding them LOL -- just kidding -- and it's not a bad thing to offer asylum. It's a mark of civility.

[Anchor]

Putin is a master gamesman. I really enjoyed that interview.

I read that RT on YouTube is pretty much russian state sponsored TV - anyone know if this is true?

[Flash]

RT: Russia Today. It is fully russian and state sponsored. One has to know that what ee hear on Russia Today has definite propangada content pro-russia, against the west including USA. On the other hand we have the complete reverse on FOX or C NN. Therefore havin Russia Today offers balance, up to us to see through the propaganda. Liste ing to Al Jazeera offers a third alternative with eyes opening documentaries and comments too. Imo

[Prodigal Son]

RT: Russia Today. It is fully russian and state sponsored. One has to know that what ee hear on Russia Today has definite propangada content pro-russia, against the west including USA. On the other hand we have the complete reverse on FOX or C NN. Therefore havin Russia Today offers balance, up to us to see through the propaganda. Liste ing to Al Jazeera offers a third alternative with eyes opening documentaries and comments too. Imo
....and EuroNews provides yet another perspective.

What I would like to know is, why hasn't Snowden dropped any bombs about 911?

Thousands of leaked documents, and not one little tidbit about the greatest lie in modern history?

911 is still the number 1 issue that must be addressed by Americans, plain and simple.

I may have woken up a NYC firefighter this morning... he is one of my customers... and he was one of the first responders. I swear he was about ready to hit me at one point, but I had my laptop with me, and showed him some things... and when that man left he was very rattled and shaken to his core...

It's time to get whole ugly truth out on the table... Americans are ready... there will be nowhere for the cabal to hide

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I'm beginning to suspect that Snowden was microchipped as were all 1.4 million of his peers. .... and wit a built in GPS they know exactly where he has been... and as usual we're all being played.

[norman]

What I would like to know is, why hasn't Snowden dropped any bombs about 911?

Thousands of leaked documents, and not one little tidbit about the greatest lie in modern history?



Such a simple little question, such a huge hole in the story.

[Flash]

edit: oups, post corrected, thank norman

[Cidersomerset]

I read that RT on YouTube is pretty much russian state sponsored TV - anyone know if this is true?

The same as any other state, At the moment as far as I can see its a mix of 'Free
thinkers' like Max Keiser and the likes.With the usual establishment journalistic
backbone , with a bias towards its outlook on the world like any other news
outlet. It has a lot of internet based stories and experts and bloggers as guests
much more then mainstream I find.

But agendas change for now I like the majority of their reporting. I also like the
BBC and Channel 4 and will use material from any source if it is portraying a
genuine account of a story, and sometimes even biased news reports to
show 'contrast'.

I'm fully aware a lot of stories are sourced thru agencies like Rueters and we must
make as best a judgement as we can, on any story we are listening to on whatever media.

[Cidersomerset]

What I would like to know is, why hasn't Snowden dropped any bombs about 911?

I don't think Edward Snowden is a whistleblower , with a general agenda more like Bradley Manning
just wanting to expose what he knew. Like Putin said it did not look like he thought it thru long term,
which would explain why he left his girlfriend and secure life style.


You could look at it as disinfo to show the floors in security and tighten up against future whistleblowing
in the security services after the Wiki leaks & Manning case.

There was a article on the BBC yesterday talking about super inscription security. But that will open a
challenge to a new set of 'Hackers'....


http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/2.48.3/desktop/3.5/img/blq-blocks_grey_alpha.png


4 September 2013 Last updated at 18:09

'Uncrackable' codes set for step upBy Melissa Hogenboom

Science reporter, BBC News

Zeroes and ones Quantum cryptography is a way to share secret digital keys
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
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Uncrackable codes get flash trick
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A system that allows electronic messages to be sent with complete secrecy could be
on the verge of expanding beyond niche applications.

A team of British scientists has discovered a way to build communications networks
with quantum cryptography at a larger scale than ever before.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/69648000/jpg/_69648594_cc000689.jpg

Quantum cryptography has the potential to transform the way sensitive data is protected.

Read more.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23946488

[Maunagarjana]

What I would like to know is, why hasn't Snowden dropped any bombs about 911?

Thousands of leaked documents, and not one little tidbit about the greatest lie in modern history?



Such a simple little question, such a huge hole in the story.

I'm not sure why people would think he would have access to anything relating to 9/11. Something like that would not be an official operation of the NSA. It would be carried out by rogue elements of various agencies and branches of the military. He was pretty low level. Something like PRISM would be common knowledge to anyone working with the NSA, so that's an easy target. He also hasn't come out with anything UFO related, but why would he have access to that sort of info? Anything revealing relating to 9/11 would have been scrubbed long before he started working there.

[Prodigal Son]

What I would like to know is, why hasn't Snowden dropped any bombs about 911?

Thousands of leaked documents, and not one little tidbit about the greatest lie in modern history?



Such a simple little question, such a huge hole in the story.

I'm not sure why people would think he would have access to anything relating to 9/11. Something like that would not be an official operation of the NSA. It would be carried out by rogue elements of various agencies and branches of the military. He was pretty low level. Something like PRISM would be common knowledge to anyone working with the NSA, so that's an easy target. He also hasn't come out with anything UFO related, but why would he have access to that sort of info? Anything revealing relating to 9/11 would have been scrubbed long before he started working there.
Thousands of hacked emails, and leaked documents, and not one of the Parasites That Be has bragged about the event that is allowing them to pull all this crap on Planet Earth and Humanity? Geez we have Israeli lobbyists openly admitting we need a new false flag to attack Iran but yet not one of these bozos in the Big Club of A-Holes has shot off his mouth about 911....

[Maunagarjana]

Thousands of hacked emails, and leaked documents, and not one of the Parasites That Be has bragged about the event that is allowing them to pull all this crap on Planet Earth and Humanity? Geez we have Israeli lobbyists openly admitting we need a new false flag to attack Iran but yet not one of these bozos in the Big Club of A-Holes has shot off his mouth about 911....

Maybe they're really careful about not doing that. Those types of people would be extremely aware of the vulnerability any type of electronic communication.

[wolf_rt]

I feel that there has been a lot of focused intent toward exposing Obama's manipulations in Syria.
Which all appears to be working exceptionally well.

Thousands of people have taken it upon themselves to make an absolute farce of Obama's position, with devastating results to any MSM attempt to support more war.

The comments and tweets following a news article are far more likely to display a thoughtful evaluation of the topic than the article itself, something the MSM must agree with as they appear to now use tweets to form the basis of most opinion articles (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/putin-syria-editorial-reaction/index.html).

Putin's recent op-ed piece in the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=1&) is an incredibly ballsy move, and seems to have delivered a mortal blow to the Obama Administration, and possibly even to American imperialism in general!

When a majority of american citizens trust the leader of Russia more than they trust their own leader... well...

I would invite you to speculate on where this might end.

This would be a excellent opportunity for the american people to prove they are 'exceptional' and restore their constitution and dignity.

[T Smith]

I feel that there has been a lot of focused intent toward exposing Obama's manipulations in Syria.
Which all appears to be working exceptionally well.

Thousands of people have taken it upon themselves to make an absolute farce of Obama's position, with devastating results to any MSM attempt to support more war.

The comments and tweets following a news article are far more likely to display a thoughtful evaluation of the topic than the article itself, something the MSM must agree with as they appear to now use tweets to form the basis of most opinion articles (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/putin-syria-editorial-reaction/index.html).

Putin's recent op-ed piece in the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=1&) is an incredibly ballsy move, and seems to have delivered a mortal blow to the Obama Administration, and possibly even to American imperialism in general!

When a majority of american citizens trust the leader of Russia more than they trust their own leader... well...

I would invite you to speculate on where this might end.

This would be a excellent opportunity for the american people to prove they are 'exceptional' and restore their constitution and dignity.

Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers. The NWO and their trusted front men (and women) were "exceptionally" amateurish on this round and were simply outplayed. That can be extremely dangerous, however. One has to wonder if these insane sociopaths will accept defeat gracefully, lick their wounds, and regroup for a future round sometime down the line, or whether they will simply upend the chess board in a fit of rage.

[SilentFeathers]

Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers.

Putin was playing chess while Obama was campaigning.

http://images.politico.com/global/news/110426_obama_laughs_reuters_328.jpg

[ghostrider]

The former head of the KGB gets a leg up on the president of the U.S. The leader of Russia does something that Obama cannot do , and Obama differs to Putin ... What ??? Who gave chemical weapons to Syria ??? What is a civilized world doing with chemical weapons ??? spending money on death instead of life ... sad

[Mark]

President Obama’s Brilliant Strategy No One Seems To Recognize (http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=171376)

As the media interprets recent events as Obama’s march to war, America and the world falls for it hook, line and sinker. Say what you want about Obama but he is a very smart man. He would never ask permission he did not need from Congress to launch a strike on Syria unless he knew beyond a doubt he could get it. That is if his real intentions were to actually carry out military operations. But why on earth does it appear he wants this war?

After agonizing over this question over and over I began to realize there is only one logical explanation. He does not. Only a month ago the GOP was accusing Obama of being weak for not acting when the “red line” was crossed. There was pressure for him not only from the US but from the world as well. The reputation of the great American defender was on the line. Still it was obvious at the time Obama did not want to rush into another quagmire, bogging down the rest of his tenure as our nation’s leader. But the evidence kept rolling in. He had to do something not only for his reputation as a world leader but for the United States as well.

Cue the British Parliament to provide Obama with the perfect out. Just days after Britain’s governing body eliminated any joint action with the US to participate in a coalition to strike the Assad regime, Obama made a surprising and decisive move. Against the advice of all his advisors, he put any US participation in the hands of our do-nothing Congress with no chance they would give him the approval he needed. Not because it isn’t the right thing to do but because Obama was asking for it. The outcome is a given if you just take a step back and look at the situation rationally. And there is no way Obama is going to launch this attack once Congress says no. It would be political suicide. Bush may have gotten away with it but America is not going to let it happen again. The fallout would signal the end of any and all effectiveness the Obama administration for the remaining years of his presidency. And history would place him with the likes of war criminals like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Let me repeat this. Obama is not that stupid!

So why then does our president appear to be beating the drums of war? The simple answer is he is now regarded as a hawkish leader before the US and the world. And he does so without having to fire a shot. He appears wholeheartedly in favor of a strike and is playing the part well. The hawk stands upon his perch without lifting a talon as Congress now takes any and all responsibility for lack of action on the part of the US. And during this entire debacle, he even manages to make republicans come out as anti-war; something even no one thought possible only a month ago.

If this sounds like an improbable scenario I ask that you to ponder for a moment the potential outcome:
No war
Obama and America look strong and world leaders should not doubt Obama’s willingness to take action
Congress was made to do their job
Congress will take the responsibility of inaction
Republicans have to pretend they are anti-war
Americans comes out against any further wars thereby providing the beginning of the end to our perpetual war
Puts pressure on the UN to take other action
Suddenly the UN is eager to accept other harsh non-military actions against Syria

And there is even the added bonus that the GOP weakening the push to shut down the government over the debt ceiling will not proceed with the intense battle anticipated. Next week Congress returns for only nine days. Nine days to act on the Syrian War, the debt ceiling, immigration, the Voting Rights Acts and many other important issues.

Seeing they can barely rename a post office, Congress will not have the ability to once again play games with by demanding cuts and further tax cuts for corporations. It will have to accept a reasonable offer or be blamed for damage to our nation’s credit rating. Republicans are very aware they will face blame and backlash should this happen.

Tell me this isn’t the best outcome ever. And I honestly think this was Obama’s intention from the beginning. You know damn well if he didn’t do anything, Republicans would be calling him weak because of the corner he had painted himself in when he talked about the red line.

Granted, Obama made a mistake with his “red line” comment, but by acting in a calm savvy manner, he can come out looking the part of the tough guy without even taking a swing. And he smiles as Congress does for him what he wanted in the first place.

If America could just set down their pitchforks and torches for a moment, they would be able to see what brilliant strategy this is.


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[turiya]

President Obama’s Brilliant Strategy No One Seems To Recognize (http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=171376)

If America could just set down their pitchforks and torches for a moment, they would be able to see what brilliant strategy this is.

Sorry my friend, but the moment he sent drones into Pakistan was the moment he showed his true colors. Nobody special - just like the other idiots that have been in the position before him - nobody special. And, I do believe, that was within a month of him first taking office. And, oh yeah, don't forget that brilliant kinetic action he took against Gaddafi and the innocent people of Lybia, yeah... ask me how stunned I am at his brilliance there... Sorry, but he is just sick man, as the rest. There needs to be an Amendment to Constitution... it should require those in political office to be drug tested. Everyone that tests positive should have to step down & leave office. Their medical records can be looked at by the FBI. That should give them some real honest work to do. That is in my opinion.

America has not yet picked up their pitchforks and torches... but that day is coming... the day is not that far away.


turiya :cool:

[Mark]

Oh yes. Presidents are nobody special indeed. They luck into their positions. It's all about genetics. Who they know. Right.

I rarely enter these threads but this one was too good to pass up. Obama, stupid? No. Not even Dubya was stupid.

To imply that Obama is making all of these decisions of his own volition is revealing an ignorance of the true source of power in this world. Obama's source of agency in these world events is in deciding the exact course insofar as he can and within the constraints of the already-decided-upon path and in representing as middling a viewpoint as possible between Left and Right.

And he has accomplished that superbly, even as the ptb that pull his strings pull harder in some directions rather than others.

[GCS1103]

I never for a moment thought that Obama, nor George Bush, was stupid. No one who sits in the Oval Office should ever be accused of that. One might be more charismatic and a better speaker than the other, but they both represent what is so wrong with this country. We have allowed corrupted megalomaniacs to run our lives and chip away at our liberties. As I have said before...Obama is dressed in a different package than Bush, but the contents of the package are the same....garbage. Sorry, Rahkyt, my friend, but I have no respect for either one of them.

[Czarek]

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... And there is no way Obama is going to launch this attack once Congress says no. It would be political suicide.

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I don't believe for a second that this has any importance to Obama. i.e. his presidency. The objective is a start of a conflict in the middle East. The rest of the pieces will fall very fast under the state of war. Time will tell but from the reports of US army receiving orders to deploy to Syria, the war may be still on.

[deridan]

I find the title foolish, and the assumptions of the OPed ridicules.

what is clear is that one country is following a schedule of involvements, and if the peoples are lacking in will, it just shows the danger of another false flag being appropriated to get that will in line.

Putin is extremely competent as a politician. America wants its dignity back?//who said demo-crazy was the exclusive property of those who made it famous first,
obviously money grabbing plays an important part, if you are able to grab, obviously any cake would seem too tempting.

we can call the world history experiments in time, and realize that NOW is the opportunity to do well for ourselves as a collective, as mankind SINGULARLY.
we can call boo's on whatever seems short-sighted. Like maybe america needs to find another financial way except war to fund its new working population

[T Smith]

President Obama’s Brilliant Strategy No One Seems To Recognize (http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=171376)

As the media interprets recent events as Obama’s march to war, America and the world falls for it hook, line and sinker. Say what you want about Obama but he is a very smart man. He would never ask permission he did not need from Congress to launch a strike on Syria unless he knew beyond a doubt he could get it. That is if his real intentions were to actually carry out military operations. But why on earth does it appear he wants this war?

After agonizing over this question over and over I began to realize there is only one logical explanation. He does not. Only a month ago the GOP was accusing Obama of being weak for not acting when the “red line” was crossed. There was pressure for him not only from the US but from the world as well. The reputation of the great American defender was on the line. Still it was obvious at the time Obama did not want to rush into another quagmire, bogging down the rest of his tenure as our nation’s leader. But the evidence kept rolling in. He had to do something not only for his reputation as a world leader but for the United States as well.

Cue the British Parliament to provide Obama with the perfect out. Just days after Britain’s governing body eliminated any joint action with the US to participate in a coalition to strike the Assad regime, Obama made a surprising and decisive move. Against the advice of all his advisors, he put any US participation in the hands of our do-nothing Congress with no chance they would give him the approval he needed. Not because it isn’t the right thing to do but because Obama was asking for it. The outcome is a given if you just take a step back and look at the situation rationally. And there is no way Obama is going to launch this attack once Congress says no. It would be political suicide. Bush may have gotten away with it but America is not going to let it happen again. The fallout would signal the end of any and all effectiveness the Obama administration for the remaining years of his presidency. And history would place him with the likes of war criminals like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Let me repeat this. Obama is not that stupid!

So why then does our president appear to be beating the drums of war? The simple answer is he is now regarded as a hawkish leader before the US and the world. And he does so without having to fire a shot. He appears wholeheartedly in favor of a strike and is playing the part well. The hawk stands upon his perch without lifting a talon as Congress now takes any and all responsibility for lack of action on the part of the US. And during this entire debacle, he even manages to make republicans come out as anti-war; something even no one thought possible only a month ago.

If this sounds like an improbable scenario I ask that you to ponder for a moment the potential outcome:
No war
Obama and America look strong and world leaders should not doubt Obama’s willingness to take action
Congress was made to do their job
Congress will take the responsibility of inaction
Republicans have to pretend they are anti-war
Americans comes out against any further wars thereby providing the beginning of the end to our perpetual war
Puts pressure on the UN to take other action
Suddenly the UN is eager to accept other harsh non-military actions against Syria

And there is even the added bonus that the GOP weakening the push to shut down the government over the debt ceiling will not proceed with the intense battle anticipated. Next week Congress returns for only nine days. Nine days to act on the Syrian War, the debt ceiling, immigration, the Voting Rights Acts and many other important issues.

Seeing they can barely rename a post office, Congress will not have the ability to once again play games with by demanding cuts and further tax cuts for corporations. It will have to accept a reasonable offer or be blamed for damage to our nation’s credit rating. Republicans are very aware they will face blame and backlash should this happen.

Tell me this isn’t the best outcome ever. And I honestly think this was Obama’s intention from the beginning. You know damn well if he didn’t do anything, Republicans would be calling him weak because of the corner he had painted himself in when he talked about the red line.

Granted, Obama made a mistake with his “red line” comment, but by acting in a calm savvy manner, he can come out looking the part of the tough guy without even taking a swing. And he smiles as Congress does for him what he wanted in the first place.

If America could just set down their pitchforks and torches for a moment, they would be able to see what brilliant strategy this is.


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This is an interesting take, Rahkyt. I would be more open to the notion that Barack Obama, the person, came up with this strategy as a human being, in which case he would be covertly assuming some type of Manchurian-candidate role for the People... a sort of "reverse" Manchurian, or a double-agent Manchurian... His presidency, like those before him, clearly serves the NWO agenda. They scripted this war and they have tasked President Obama, as commander-in-chief, to execute the script. Perhaps his sanity, as a human being, trumped his political duties?

President Obama has been following the NWO script brilliantly (and loyally) since his election in 2008 (this is the impetus for pitchforks and torches), so it is much harder for me to get on board with the notion that this ploy is some kind of legitimate foreign policy strategy on behalf of world peace and on behalf of the interests of We the People. To subscribe to that notion would be nothing less than acknowledging the President has gone rogue. But if your theory is correct President Obama has acted heroically and in this instance We the People should be extremely thankful. By deliberately maneuvering himself into "checkmate" (in essence outwitting his handlers) he appears loyal to his hawkish overlords yet has managed to sabotage the veneer of his own foreign policy. This puts the onus of success of the nefarious neocon program (all roads of which lead to WWIII) on the establishment's ever-feckless propaganda instead of on his own specific decisions as President.

If you are even remotely correct about this, President Obama has put himself in an extremely dangerous and vulnerable position. He has essentially double-crossed those who have put him in the White House. At the very least he is using his position of power to sabotage the program in very subtle way. The last President that thought along those lines, and who acted in the interests of We the People instead of by the will of TPTB ended up on a fifty-cent piece.

[Mark]

Sorry, Rahkyt, my friend, but I have no respect for either one of them.

There's no reason to apologize to me, dearest Goldie.

I'm not a fan either. :)

BUT, I prefer a clear record that takes into account a more accurate assessment of how the world runs than one burdened by potentially culturally-driven viewpoints that don't take a sober view of the history of the past 5 years, in the context of what went on during the previous 230+ years.

And I do realize that's a lot to ask, which is why I generally don't enter these threads. ;)

Excuse me for breaking up the flow of Obama-hate, y'all. All best.

[Mark]

If you are even remotely correct about this, President Obama has put himself in an extremely dangerous and vulnerable position. He has essentially double-crossed those who have put him in the White House. At the very least he is using his position of power to sabotage the program in very subtle way. The last President that thought along those lines, and who acted in the interests of We the People instead of by the will of TPTB ended up on a fifty-cent piece.

You are correct. This perspective is indeed turning the game on its head, IF it is so. I share your curiosity about his motives.

But then, I look at what he has actually done as POTUS in the context of the Presidents before him. How he has dealt and NOT dealt with Wall Street, how he has NOT dealt with, but what his rhetoric states about Guantanamo Bay, how he has implemented "Obama-care" despite the heavy opposition of the monied interests and the clear benefit that it will indeed have for the masses in a socialist kind of way, how he is trying to return the Courts of the US back to some semblance of middle-ground, how he has chosen those drones over 'boots on the ground' and more American troops in harms way. Those who will argue the primacy of individual interest over that of the collective have their merit, but that merit is dependent upon a worldview that is no longer viable as we move inexorably toward becoming a global society.

Obama's choices from a non-American viewpoint are another matter altogether and brings into the equation questions of nationalism as opposed to a more humanistic and universalist perspective. Those coming from that perspective are entering into a subjective realm and arguments based upon that universalism do not include the status of nation-states and the 'divine right of Kings' as arbiter of human destiny upon the earth. An interesting discussion to have, but in no way a reflection of life as lived or the historical record.

Given the nature of American foreign and domestic policy, change is in the air. It is inevitable, as the limits of the current economic insanity have been reached and the body politic is ripe for a different way of living. Irregardless of what the media puts forth, fundamental shifts in economics and politics is inevitable. The back-room bargaining and repositioning is under way in a very real and mundane manner, even if the prognostications of the gurus of the alt conspiratorial community are way off base.

IF this article is true, then Obama's safety and that of his family is indeed in question. IF he has reached a point of ethical saturation and is now contemplating even deeper departures from the script than this, perhaps his martyrdom may also become a part of the script.

I don't know what is true or not, but this possibility is one generally not considered by the alt community. His ethical co-optation is assumed complete. One thing is certain, though. IF he is rocking the boat, in these days of electronic communication, his betrayal of those controller interests will not be able to be hidden under a rock for decades. The world will know about it as it occurs.

[rgray222]

Putin's recent op-ed piece in the NYT (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=1&) is an incredibly ballsy move, and seems to have delivered a mortal blow to the Obama Administration, and possibly even to American imperialism in general!



America has been a lot of things but it has never been into imperialism. At least not in the truest sense of the word. Not like the Russians, British, Germans or the Romans. (no offense to any of our European friends). Now if Putin wanted to substitute the word capitalism in place of imperialism then he might be onto something. I believe his choice of words is very much intentional because the people in the middle east always use this word when talking about the United States, there is little doubt that the word imperialism has extremely negative connotations and Putin knows that most Americans will buy into it without ever really understanding it.


President Obama’s Brilliant Strategy No One Seems To Recognize
If this sounds like an improbable scenario I ask that you to ponder for a moment the potential outcome:
No war
Obama and America look strong and world leaders should not doubt Obama’s willingness to take action
Congress was made to do their job
Congress will take the responsibility of inaction
Republicans have to pretend they are anti-war
Americans comes out against any further wars thereby providing the beginning of the end to our perpetual war
Puts pressure on the UN to take other action
Suddenly the UN is eager to accept other harsh non-military actions against Syria

This article from the San Francisco Sentinel is written by a very liberal mainstream media type that is attempting to justify Obama's request for war. There is little doubt that the mainstream media does all in it's power to make Obama look good or keep him out of harms way. They do this for two reasons, Obama is liberal and the mainstream media is liberal, they like each other and they want their party to succeed. This is expected as long as the media remains liberal, it is not right it is just the way it is. Also (it is talked about but not much) Obama is the first black/minority President the country has ever had. The media wants him to succeed because they honestly feel that it is good for the country and good for their party which is the party of the "minorities". This is not only wrong it is racism. All people should be judged on their actions and not on skin color, religion or ethnic background.

So, it is not surprising to see such an article. This type of convoluted thinking to justify the actions of a politician are a reach to say the least. Telling the world you want to go to war to avoid war is a new one on me! This article makes Obama look downright messiah like. Ten steps ahead of all of us in the trenches. In one fell swoop he has redeemed himself, the democratic party and snookered the opposition in to looking foolish and weak all the while allowing the blame to fall on Congress and at the same time shifting the problem to the United Nations. Wow!

This reporters head must have been ready to explode before his/her mind reached the end of the astonishing maze of Obama redemption!

Bottom line here is that Bush and Obama have done as they dam well please and they both have not taken the will of the people into consideration. Presidents are suppose to be uniting forces and these two men have been dividing forces, both unwilling to negotiate with the opposition. These two men have been the major cause of political gridlock.

The idea that we are being lectured to by the former head of the KGB is appalling. Obama's need to go to war in Syria is misguided, we have no clear objective, our actions would not change the regime, would not stop the civil war or even guarantee that chemical weapons would no longer be used. It seems to be a pretty even toss up of who the bad guys are. Murder by chemical weapons or murder by conventional weapons is still murder. Dropping bombs indiscriminately on a country that poses no threat to the U.S. is murder as well.

Going to war with Syria would not accomplish one positive thing that I can identify.

It is time for the people of the United States and the world to tell American Presidents (all presidents no matter the party) to stay the hell out of things unless they can identify a way to make life better for those suffering.

[Mark]

This article from the San Francisco Sentinel is written by a very liberal media type that is attempting to justify Obama's request for war. There is little doubt that the mainstream media does all in it's power to make Obama look good or keep him out of harms way. They do this for two reasons, Obama is liberal and the mainstream media is liberal, they like each other and they want their party to succeed. This is expected as long as the media remains liberal, it is not right it is just the way it is.

Freakoutnation.com is very far from a mainstream venue. The author, Wayen Bomgaars, is indeed a Liberal. Rather than attacking the person who wrote the article for his political affiliations, why not do something different and address the points he made:

1) Republican obstructionism in the House and Senate have resulted in the appellation, "Do-nothing" Congress. Is that true or not?

2) Obama has dragged his heels for months now despite the hawkish cries of senators such as McCain to take the side of the Rebel forces and support them with arms and air strikes.

3) The British public and parliament's refusal to rubber-stamp Cameron's attempts to side with the United States in going forward with air strikes.

4) Obama went to the Congress knowing full well he would not get approval for a strike on Syria.

Why would he do that? What logical reason would support this when it is not necessary? He is the POTUS, if he chooses to go that route, he is well within the pre-established pattern of Presidential action in the modern era to do so.

If the House votes no on this action, is it conceivable that Obama would strike anyway? And, if he did, what would that mean for democratic chances in the next elections? For democrats to hold the White House and make gains in the House or Senate?

All politicians are aware of the polling. They all know that the American public do not want it. They all know that to go to war without the backing of the American public will harm the chances of their party to gain or retain majorities in the House and Senate in the following election cycle.

Obama also knows that if he does strike, if the vote does turn out to be no, that the chances of it getting uglier will increase and the affiliation with Al-Queda cells in Syria is going to gain even more mainstream attention and and that the Republicans will jump all over that to the detriment of the Democrats for years to come.

The logic of this article is sound and not at all convoluted in political-think. It is quite Machiavellian, which is the model that they, the corporations and psychopaths in general work off of. Sports teams do it as well. In chess it is done as well. In poker it is done as well. I would venture to say that in all games, it is done. You feint in one direction, when your true aim is in another. It makes total sense. More sense than to seek a vote for an action you can accomplish without one. Unless you don't really want to accomplish that action and you need an excuse to justify your failure to act. An excuse that will include future elections, the will of the American people, the greater good of stopping loss of life when your controllers are pushing you directly toward it.



Also (it is talked about but not much) Obama is the first black/minority President the country has ever had. The media wants him to succeed because they honestly feel that it is good for the country and good for their party which is the party of the "minorities". This is not only wrong it is racism. All people should be judged on their actions and not on skin color, religion or ethnic background.

His race has nothing to do with this. The Democrats are not the party of the minorities, as you put it. The minorities don't have a party. They have interests, really basic ones, like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which are served by one party or another at different points in time. Blacks, for instance, all used to be Republicans, the party of Lincoln, at one point. They have alliances that serve their aims. Your use of the word racism is quite ill-advised on this topic and speaks more to your own beliefs than any form of reality. The Liberal media is generally not supporting Obama in this action. They are supporting the polls, which state the American public does not want war.


So, it is not surprising to see such an article. This type of convoluted thinking to justify the actions of a politician are a reach to say the least. Telling the world you want to go to war to avoid war is a new one on me!

Not new at all. In fact, bellicose behavior at the international level is quite the norm. See N. Korea for a recent example.

[161803398]

I am quite confused about Obama. Take Cambodia, for instance, which America bombed secretly thereby allowing the Khmer rouge to take control. That was Nixon and Kissinger both of whom are criminals. If I was in Obama's spot and didn't want to get my head blown off I could see myself making everything public, talking the talk and dragging my heels.

Obama always has that sick look when he's in a sticky spot...such as when he had to come out and say he killed Osama....(that so reminds me of Edgar Allen Poe: Obama/Osama).

But I even have my doubts about George Bush. There are those who say we should thank him because his apparent idiocy tipped everyone off.

Who ever knows?

[Violet]

Yes whoever knows anything these days anymore?

It might very well be that Obama actually realised the risk of waging a war with barely any support and decided to take the long road. Why not this be an alternative manoeuvre in which Assad is given "a chance" be it with infeasibly rigid stipulations (now being written out in UN-gatherings) which Assad will - of course (dito Kerry) - fail to meet, after which it will be much easier to gain better support for a war that was scheduled either way.

Who knows?

[wolf_rt]

I had not intended this thread to be about 'Obama hate', and putin never mentioned imperialism, those were my words.

The fact that the former head of the KGB can lecture the US on foreign policy is indeed appalling. But mostly for the fact that it is so richly deserved.

I have disliked all the American presidents since i can remember. Obama is nothing special there, but he has presented a golden opportunity for the rest of the world to throw off the shackles of American imperialism (my words... Perhaps meddling would be more accurate, however it it seems inadequate to describe the horror the US has inflicted on the world for the last 50 years.)


Also, how do we know that the NWO agenda does not move forward with the dissolution of US empire USSR style?

It would likely strengthen the UN and possibly increase NATO influence.


I would love to hear some potential positive outcomes from everyone here. you can get bitching about politicians and party politics anywhere, Avalon is something special.


Rahkyt, i'm not sure if i fully understand your position, you are saying that Obama has engineered this very scenario in order to defy his controllers?

The man is not THAT smart... Putin hasn't performed any miraculous feat of statesmanship here, he simply moved swiftly on a good opportunity.

Putins Op-Ed really only rubs salt in the wounds.

[miqeel]

There are layers upon layers upon layers in this situation and nothing is ever as it seems at first glance. Putin did great with this op ed, but what are his real motivations? Oil money, Nabbuco pipeline come to mind. The actual outcome of this situation, in terms of geopolitical gains will be known in a little while yet.

Short term, the increase in the awareness of the mass population about the corruption of their government, seems the excellent outcome. Of course, mass genocide and WWIII not happening is a bonus.
In other part of the gameboard, things such as NSA spying, Verizon vs FCC lawsuit are all v important, but perhaps somewhat overlooked events?

[161803398]

America has gone down the road of Nazi Germany. Its just a rule that taking the path of fear marks you as a loser however much "success" you had on the way down when nobody was looking. Its classic. The danger is clear now to the world as a result of the internet and we all know what happens to losers. Putin's remarks about international law are a warning.

[Ultima Thule]

Well, taking a breath before the plunge... I'm hesitant to open other cans of worms to accompany the main act about Obama. I absolutely mean no distraction off topic, but there are really interesting things going on in this thread.

What if what Rahkyt paints out as a possible scenario has some truth in it, wouldn't it carry an eerie resemblance to what David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford have (appproximately) been saying?
I'm not saying it is so, but there is the possibility of it being so.

UT

[T Smith]

Also, how do we know that the NWO agenda does not move forward with the dissolution of US empire USSR style?



Actually, we do know that. We know that the NWO endgame includes the dismantling of the US Empire.

If the NWO has their way, America, the super power, will simply dissolve into a formally-recognized global empire, controlled by a cabal of international corporations and banks, but only after the total collapse of the U.S. Dollar or after some other economic or other calamity on the American homeland. This is all planned. The American Republic was commandeered long ago by this agenda, and the majority of Americans have no idea this has even taken place. Upper echelon orchestrators of the plan, i.e. those above the typical method of compartmentalization control who indeed maintain a vantage to see the larger picture (and who could therefore "resist" in good conscience, i.e. generals, military brass, etc.,), still do not fully grasp what is going on. They believe they are advancing a global empire in the name of "American Hegemony". You can read all about this in various neocon white papers, e.g. The Project for a New American Century, etc. But this has nothing to do with America, or America's supposed ideology vs. Marxist ideology, etc., save for exploiting America's human resources, i.e. America's military, its wealth, and its reserve currency status to advance the agenda. America is the but the engine, the might, the vacuum, if you will, sucking the vitality and wealth from the rest of the world and concentrating power into fewer and fewer hands. Once the transfer is complete they will simply shut off the vacuum and toss it in the junk pile.

[Anchor]

What if what Rahkyt paints out as a possible scenario has some truth in it, wouldn't it carry an eerie resemblance to what David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford have (appproximately) been saying?

And me said similar, but I when I said that I used to get so verbally whipped over it I stopped fueling the agro and just decided to wait.

[KiwiElf]

Just my opinion, but I think we could all be forced to do some pretty terrible things against our will if the situation arose.?

[Maia Gabrial]

Obama is not stupid, but he is devious and deceitful. He lied during campaigns, misrepresented himself and has yet to fulfill one of his promises. He did promise change, except it wasn't what Americans were hearing. I listened to what he was saying and DIDN'T vote for him. But then I didn't like McCain either.

IMO there are many black Americans who are more qualified to be president, than Obama. What he demonstrated was that NOT EVERYONE can be a competent leader of a country.
It must be wearing to ruin a once great country like America because he and his family certainly have taken alot of vacations from his duties at our expense. And it HAS been expensive for us. Fact is, I'd like to take just ONE vacation in my lifetime, but my money goes to his trips.

Only the Russian citizens can tell us what Putin's about. But until then, he does seem to have what it takes to gain Americans' respect.

[ceetee9]

I know this is a few days old, but I found this Veterans Today article by editor, Jim W. Dean, very interesting. I hope you all do as well.

Here are a few excerpts from the article (full story here: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/14/putin-and-congress-checkmate-obama-war-hawks/).

"I just took a break to watch Obama’s speech. It was just horrible, something you would expect from a carnival barker. Despite conceding over the weekend he had no proof, he claimed in tonight’s speech that Assad had used poison gas…against children. He even asked everyone to re-watch the videos of the dying children.
But there is one little problem with that, the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated."

"Once again Obama made the claim that American national security was at stake in Syria, and that we need to make our children safer. No we don’t Mr. President. We need to make the Syrian, Lebanese, Gazan and West Bank children safer.
You sir, at the helm of this regime change policy, are responsible for not saying one word of deterrence against our Saudi and Qatari allies for running major terror operations against the Syrian people and the Kurds.
This included their children. So I do not buy your crocodile tears, and neither do your victims."

"You have make no case for American national interests in Syria. You have not even really tried. You have been purposefully vague so as to choose what you want later as a justification.
The best we can get out of you is ‘our interests’. That is a condescending reply, and the opposition to your Syria policy is stemming from the American public not believing you. That is as kindly as I can put it."

"We know you are not pushing this Syrian thing for the reasons you state. Your speech writers failed, and so did you. Every time to try to deceive us you lose more and more respect.
You take your presidency closer and closer to Bush II, where we will never be able to wash off the stain.
And I can say the same for you and your team. You have dishonored America with your actions in Syria…criminal actions, crimes against humanity.
And you have the gall to stand up there tonight and tell us we need to strike Syria to protect our children? That was a disgrace."

[araucaria]

I know this is a few days old, but I found this Veterans Today article by editor, Jim W. Dean, very interesting. I hope you all do as well.

Here are a few excerpts from the article (full story here: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/14/putin-and-congress-checkmate-obama-war-hawks/).

"I just took a break to watch Obama’s speech. It was just horrible, something you would expect from a carnival barker. Despite conceding over the weekend he had no proof, he claimed in tonight’s speech that Assad had used poison gas…against children. He even asked everyone to re-watch the videos of the dying children.
But there is one little problem with that, the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated."

"Once again Obama made the claim that American national security was at stake in Syria, and that we need to make our children safer. No we don’t Mr. President. We need to make the Syrian, Lebanese, Gazan and West Bank children safer.
You sir, at the helm of this regime change policy, are responsible for not saying one word of deterrence against our Saudi and Qatari allies for running major terror operations against the Syrian people and the Kurds.
This included their children. So I do not buy your crocodile tears, and neither do your victims."

"You have make no case for American national interests in Syria. You have not even really tried. You have been purposefully vague so as to choose what you want later as a justification.
The best we can get out of you is ‘our interests’. That is a condescending reply, and the opposition to your Syria policy is stemming from the American public not believing you. That is as kindly as I can put it."

"We know you are not pushing this Syrian thing for the reasons you state. Your speech writers failed, and so did you. Every time to try to deceive us you lose more and more respect.
You take your presidency closer and closer to Bush II, where we will never be able to wash off the stain.
And I can say the same for you and your team. You have dishonored America with your actions in Syria…criminal actions, crimes against humanity.
And you have the gall to stand up there tonight and tell us we need to strike Syria to protect our children? That was a disgrace."
Someone posted a theory somewhere on the forum, whereby Obama has been deliberately maneuvering to get out of having to fight this war without losing face. To me it makes quite a lot of sense.

[WhiteFeather]

Carnival Barker ehh. Be it known that No-Bama is just the bathroom cologne clerk and nothing more. A carnival barker would be a higher position than his current position as the presidency of the United States. The Big O gets his orders from the 27 layers that are above him. The layers need to feed this war machine because the ponzi scheme they have been running is truly failing or if not failed already. As this is one of the reasons to start another propaganda war. Excuse me for a moment peeps while i go relieve my bowels and get to meet the President for a fresh hand towel and a splash of cheap cologne. America is really starting to smell like Sh!t these days. Maybe Obama can recommend a nicely scented room deodorizer for this country. Perhaps he can attach them to the drones that patrol our skys and kill two birds with one stone.

[WhiteFeather]

If you want to know the real truth of whats going on in Syria simply Google " Pipeline in Syria". Follow the money trail.


Heres a few peeps:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/is-this-what-syria-war-really-about/

http://grist.org/climate-energy/republican-senator-war-in-syria-increases-chances-for-keystone-xl-pipeline-approval/?utm_source=syndication&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=feed

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines

http://www.infowars.com/is-the-united-states-going-to-go-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline/

[Tangri]

If you want to know the real truth of whats going on in Syria simply Google " Pipeline in Syria". Follow the money trail.


Heres a few peeps:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/is-this-what-syria-war-really-about/

http://grist.org/climate-energy/republican-senator-war-in-syria-increases-chances-for-keystone-xl-pipeline-approval/?utm_source=syndication&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=feed

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines

http://www.infowars.com/is-the-united-states-going-to-go-to-war-with-syria-over-a-natural-gas-pipeline/

Muslim countries show different reaction to the death. They do not have open casket custom as americans have. Probably an American agent producer didn't know about it.
If there is a corp in public, it should be immediatly covered by some fabric.

I am sorry for grafic images

http://www.islamidavet.com/2013/08/21/video-suriyede-kimyasal-silahla-olduruldu-denilen-kisilere-siringayla-ne-enjekte-ediliyor/

They are caught in action. They are injecting chemicals postmortum .

[Operator]

I am sorry for grafic images

http://www.islamidavet.com/2013/08/21/video-suriyede-kimyasal-silahla-olduruldu-denilen-kisilere-siringayla-ne-enjekte-ediliyor/

They are caught in action. They are injecting chemicals postmortum .

Don't think so ... there is no blood circulation when you're dead. So it makes no sense to inject chemicals.
I'd rather think they 'take' samples from the bodies ...

What I noticed however is that the males have pulled up shirts and it looks like somebody hurried putting
their pants half on. Also some hands/wrists are tied up.

[Tangri]

I am sorry for grafic images

http://www.islamidavet.com/2013/08/21/video-suriyede-kimyasal-silahla-olduruldu-denilen-kisilere-siringayla-ne-enjekte-ediliyor/

They are caught in action. They are injecting chemicals postmortum .

Don't think so ... there is no blood circulation when you're dead. So it makes no sense to inject chemicals.
I'd rather think they 'take' samples from the bodies ...

What I noticed however is that the males have pulled up shirts and it looks like somebody hurried putting
their pants half on. Also some hands/wrists are tied up.

You don't need blood circulation if you are the collector. You just need to know the location of contaminated area.

[norman]

I guess the only real difference between this scam and the Boston Bombing, is that the Boston crisis actors got to have a shower, get paid, and go home to their families.

[Operator]

You don't need blood circulation if you are the collector. You just need to know the location of contaminated area.

That's what I said ... they 'take' samples and there is no 'contaminated' area. If they're poisoned with Sarin it will be traceable in their blood.
It's a nerve agent that causes paralysis symptoms. Most likely cause of death is suffocation.

[Tangri]

You don't need blood circulation if you are the collector. You just need to know the location of contaminated area.

That's what I said ... they 'take' samples and there is no 'contaminated' area. If they're poisoned with Sarin it will be traceable in their blood.
It's a nerve agent that causes paralysis symptoms. Most likely cause of death is suffocation.

Sampling media for serin is Glass fiber filter not blood sample. I think we have a lot self-educated medical author in this Avalon forum

[Spike]

I know this is a few days old, but I found this Veterans Today article by editor, Jim W. Dean, very interesting. I hope you all do as well.

Here are a few excerpts from the article (full story here: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/14/putin-and-congress-checkmate-obama-war-hawks/).

"I just took a break to watch Obama’s speech. It was just horrible, something you would expect from a carnival barker. Despite conceding over the weekend he had no proof, he claimed in tonight’s speech that Assad had used poison gas…against children. He even asked everyone to re-watch the videos of the dying children.
But there is one little problem with that, the United Nations Human Rights Council (HRC) has confirmed that the videos and photos purporting to show the victims of a chemical attack near the Syrian capital, Damascus, were fabricated."

"Once again Obama made the claim that American national security was at stake in Syria, and that we need to make our children safer. No we don’t Mr. President. We need to make the Syrian, Lebanese, Gazan and West Bank children safer.
You sir, at the helm of this regime change policy, are responsible for not saying one word of deterrence against our Saudi and Qatari allies for running major terror operations against the Syrian people and the Kurds.
This included their children. So I do not buy your crocodile tears, and neither do your victims."

"You have make no case for American national interests in Syria. You have not even really tried. You have been purposefully vague so as to choose what you want later as a justification.
The best we can get out of you is ‘our interests’. That is a condescending reply, and the opposition to your Syria policy is stemming from the American public not believing you. That is as kindly as I can put it."

"We know you are not pushing this Syrian thing for the reasons you state. Your speech writers failed, and so did you. Every time to try to deceive us you lose more and more respect.
You take your presidency closer and closer to Bush II, where we will never be able to wash off the stain.
And I can say the same for you and your team. You have dishonored America with your actions in Syria…criminal actions, crimes against humanity.
And you have the gall to stand up there tonight and tell us we need to strike Syria to protect our children? That was a disgrace."

I find it funny how he can so easily speak for every American. Guys a puppet any ways thats what they want people to get mad then bam the navy shooting happens.

Some one didn't want to follow orders and sail over.