German Documents about Parallel Civilizations and Antarctica. What do they say?

[Daozen]

http://i.4cdn.org/x/1472335931014.jpg

It's all in German, but apparently contains directions for accessing subterranean realms. Submarines and grottoes were mentioned.

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The Naval Forces of the German Reiche

Map Through the passage of the Deep Sea

Only Use for Manouvers

Instructions to clearly pass through corridors to drive to Agartha
descend on point with the coordinates: exact point: 68* Southern Wide and 1* Eastern on a depth of 400 meters.

The instructions must be strictly followed !

Best quality image of the documents here:
http://silakrima.com/?q=node/516

GERMAN ORIGINAL

Geheime Kommandosache !

Nur für Kapitäne von U-Booten der A-Klasse des Sonderkonvois des Führers

U-Bootflotte der Kriegsmarine des deutschen Reichs

Karte für das Passieren der Meerestiefen

Nur beim Manövrieren verwenden !

Anweisung zum Passieren von Räumen und Korridoren zur Fahrt nach Agartha

Abtauchen an Punkt mit den Koordinaten: Exakter Schnittpunkt: 68° (55? 66?) südlicher Breite und 1° östlicher Länge, auf eine Tiefe von 400 Metern.


Der Anweisung ist strikt zu folgen !

1. Abtauchen. Vom Punkt des Abtauchens mit halber Fahrt, einer Steuerbord-Schräglage von 10° mit einer Zuglastigkeit, Neigungswinkel 5°. Entfernung 188 sm. Vorgegebene Tiefe – 500 Meter. (Aufgrund des Fahrens im Korridor ist der Druck auf den Schiffskörper beim Manövrieren ein unwesentlicher.)

2. Auftauchen. Ballast mit einer Hecktrimmung, Auftauchwinkel 23° mit einer Backbord-Schräglage von 22°. 190 Meter nach oben. Entfernung 75,5 sm.

3. Schwieriges Manöver ! Auftauchen. Ballast mit einer Hecktrimmung, Auftauchwinkel 41°. Fahrt – geradeaus. 110 Meter nach oben, Entfernung 21,5 sm. Danach Steuerbord-Schräglage von 8° bis zum Auftauchen an die Oberfläche in der Grotte. Entfernung 81 sm.

4. Fahrt an der Oberfläche innerhalb der Grotte mit einer Steurbord-Schräglage von 8°. Entfernung 286 sm.

5., 6. Schwieriges Manöver! Abtauchen. Mit einer Zuglastigkeit, Neigungswinkel 45°. Bis auf eine Tiefe von 240 Metern, Entfernung 60 sm. Danach mit einer Backbord-Schräglage von 20°, wobei das Abtauchen bis auf 310 Meter bis zur Einfahrt in den Korridor fortgesetzt wird.
Nach der Marke 310 Meter ist das Abtauchen mit einer Zuglastigkeit fortzusetzen. Abtauchwinkel 7° bis auf 360 Meter. Entfernung 70 sm. Weiter Steuerbord-Schräglage von 31° bis auf eine Tiefe von 380 Metern.

7. Abtauchen. Zuglastigkeit, Auftauchwinkel 22°. 100 Meter nach oben mit einer Backbord-Schräglage von 26°. Entfernung 43 sm.

8. Auftauchen, Hecktrimmung, Auftauchwinkel 45°, immer geradeaus, bis zum Auftauchen an die Oberfläche von Agartha. Entfernung 70 sm.

9. Fahrt nach Agartha. Volle Fahrt. Fahrt geradeaus, bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird. Änderungen der Magnetpole. Bewegungen der Kompassnadeln und Messgeräte sind zu vernachlässigen!

(Weitere Anweisungen im Paket Nr. 3. Erst bei Eintreffen in Agartha öffnen!)

Callista also kindly contributed this translation:


Secret command thing!

Only for masters of U-boats of a class of special convoys of the leader

U boat fleet of the Navy of the German Empire

Map for passing through the ocean depths

Use only when manoeuvring.

Statement to passing through rooms and corridors to the drive to Agartha

Diving at point with the coordinates: exact intersection: 68 Südlciher Brteite and 1 ° East longer, at a depth of 400 metres.

[Citizen No2]

That looks to be a very interesting document Daozen, and seems to be in remarkable condition.

Are you aware of the provenance of it? Are you able to share any details of how, and by whom, it has come to light? And from where?

I think these are important questions that need answers before we can contemplate the implications that arise should this document be genuine.


Regards.

[Callista]

Here is the translation:

Secret command thing!

Only for masters of U-boats of a class of special convoys of the leader

U boat fleet of the Navy of the German Empire

Map for passing through the ocean depths

Use only when manoeuvring.

Statement to passing through rooms and corridors to the drive to Agartha

Diving at point with the coordinates: exact intersection: 68 Südlciher Brteite and 1 ° East longer, at a depth of 400 metres.

[Daozen]

That looks to be a very interesting document Daozen, and seems to be in remarkable condition.

Are you aware of the provenance of it? Are you able to share any details of how, and by whom, it has come to light? And from where?

I think these are important questions that need answers before we can contemplate the implications that arise should this document be genuine.


Regards.

Good questions Citizen No2... these documents were just "floating round the internet". I can't vouch for their authenticity, I can only say they are interesting. Anyone is welcome to search for maps and similar documents using Google, and we can discuss their veracity. Someone PMed me and said he had found more docs in the same collection, with references to ancient civilizations.

We know the Nazis were obsessed with the occult, and made several trips to Tibet. How far underground they got, and what they found, is a mystery.

[Atlas]

Here is the translation:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MTfQ5qp1Mlc/Ti47_VK7ubI/AAAAAAAAAn0/vP_WSA1zHik/s1600/Translation.png
Source: http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/2011/07/wwii-german-maps-of-antarctic-entrance.html

[Daozen]

"The instruction have to be strictly followed!"

How wonderfully Germanic. Thanks for that, Atlas.

[Atlas]

2015. Russian journalist Nikolai Subbotin analyzes the documents (in Russian/German):
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http://images.delcampe.com/img_large/auction/000/365/339/277_001.jpg
http://www.base211.ru/?mn=pag&mns=mvwfv8etgh371

Did The Nazis Build A Secret Antarctic Base?
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Is An Ancient City Hidden Under Antarctica?
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[Citizen No2]

The authenticity of this document needs to be established before people go diving in and off on a tangent.

Anything other than that will lead you to be exposed, to be wide-open to further mis-direction and out-and-out lies. I am now of the opinion that failure to do so renders you as a gullible fool. It is up to you. This whole Alt Media scene is awash with liars and chancers'.......... They have been allowed to propagate their lies by the sheer laziness of the masses (myself included).

I am not casting aspersions on Daozen, or any others who have posted on this thread, but more a statement of intent.

The Truth requires work. The Truth requires YOU to do something other than watch a video.

The first appearance of this 'document' was on the 14th December 2013 on this site: http://www.ghosttheory.com/topics/conspiracies

Since then it has made regular appearances on a whole host of conspiracy websites, and that is pretty much it. No authentication. No provenance. No nothing.


Regards.

[Daozen]

The authenticity of this document needs to be established before people go diving in and off on a tangent.

Anything other than that will lead you to be exposed, to be wide-open to further mis-direction and out-and-out lies. I am now of the opinion that failure to do so renders you as a gullible fool. It is up to you. This whole Alt Media scene is awash with liars and chancers'.......... They have been allowed to propagate their lies by the sheer laziness of the masses (myself included).

I am not casting aspersions on Daozen, or any others who have posted on this thread, but more a statement of intent.

The Truth requires work. The Truth requires YOU to do something other than watch a video.

The first appearance of this 'document' was on the 14th December 2013 on this site: http://www.ghosttheory.com/topics/conspiracies

Since then it has made regular appearances on a whole host of conspiracy websites, and that is pretty much it. No authentication. No provenance. No nothing.


Regards.


Anything other than that will lead you to be exposed, to be wide-open to further mis-direction and out-and-out lies. I am now of the opinion that failure to do so renders you as a gullible fool. It is up to you. This whole Alt Media scene is awash with liars and chancers'.......... They have been allowed to propagate their lies by the sheer laziness of the masses (myself included).


The whole point of this thread is to establish the authenticity of these materials. That starts with translation. It's no easier to verify these documents than it is stories from the Bible, or ancient Ming vases. i.e. there will be diverse opinions, even among "experts". Stage one is geting the materials out in the open.

"Establishing authenticity" as you say, is not done overnight. There is no central authority to call up and ask, no quick yes or no answer. Ask any archaelologist or art collector, and you'll see that controversies rage in their fields.

I have no intellectual or emotional energy invested in these documents. I'm not selling them, nor building a career off them. If it turns out they're a cauldron of hogwash, it's no skin off my nose. It's standard practice in the alt media scene for someone to bust into a thread and start patronizing the OP, playing the grounded, down-to-Earth scholar. You made some outlandish claims on these boards yourself, a couple of weeks ago. I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt regarding your story. I don't ask that you believe anything I say, only that you go about this scientifically and methodically, without bluster or brow-beating. And stop being so English, please.

:dog:

If anyone wants to help, we can go about this logically:

- Find out where the documents came from. What book, if any?
- What is the reputation of the author?
- Are there any other documents that show the Nazi's were interested in the occult, or the subterranean?
- What is the standard of German in the original text. Does it "ring true" to translators?
- Are there any red flags in the text or the maps which point to them possibly being fake?
- Are there any other scholars who vouch for these materials. What is their reputation and track record?

If anyone can think of more questions, I'm listening.

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So hopefully we can enjoy the journey now, and find out what's true, and what isn't.

[Citizen No2]

Get over yourself man.

Pompous English? Is that a mild racial slur?

See, two can play that game.

If you had done even a cursory bit of research you would have found out easily enough that u-boat commanders were not referred to as 'masters', not in the Kriegsmarine anyway. There's your first clue to the authenticity of this..............'document'.

With respect.


Regards.

English gent? Where did you get that from? I tell ya. I'm off to bed. Toodle-Pip!

[Daozen]

If you had done even a cursory bit of research you would have found out easily enough that u-boat commanders were not referred to 'masters', not in the Kriegsmarine anyway. There's your first clue to the authenticity of this..............'document'.

Thanks for providing that. That's actually useful information that can lead us somewhere. It'd take a German speaker to follow that up and verify it. Maybe if you refer directly to the German words, it would be easier for us to trace the exact meaning.

As many are aware, there are at least two hierarchies in the power structures on this Earth. In the outer hierarchy, someone's title is President, Accountant, Intern... whatever. In the inner hierarchy, titles, and rank are different. The Freemasons are but one example of a parallel power structure with different ranks and titles. Inner hierarchies are more occult based, and so someone's internal rank may have a completely different name in the internal structure.

I don't think that fact invalidates the documents by any means, but at least it's something useful, verifiable and evidence based.

I have someone helping me translate on PM's, who prefers to remain nameless, so I'll see what he says about that.

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EDIT:

Citizen No. 2 is right, Kriegsmarine leaders are not referred to as masters. This points to many conclusions (one of which is that the documents are fraudulent). But there are many subtle shades of grey here. I'll go into it later...

http://uboat.net/men/ranks/

[Sequoia]

Clearly we know nothing about the planet we live on…
well, the elite of the Nazi did, (btw did you know there was a HUGE difference between the Nazi SS before and after the war broke out? Cut from a different cloth) and in the course of years the rest of the debased "global elite" figured it out.

Obama's Secret Antarctica Trip: A Planned WW3 Escape Route? (Operation Highjump Russia + U.S.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B97kDYEIWvE&app=desktop

The first question that pops out in the beginning (besides the obvious title) is "why did the Russian patriarch and the pope 'meet in Antarctica' recently?" The first time in 1000 years! Can't think of places closer to home?
Until of course the reasons that follow in the YT short..such as pristine untouched landmass, no military hostilities between peoples, without scientific research and testing for weapons and so on. It is a place faraway from the useless eaters, where everyone can live in peace together…

How f*cking touching! All the creeps of the lost souls get together and sing kumbaya - after destroying the rest of the planet and corrupting everything human of nature, all life, the species, the morals, the ethics, everything that was good, to a brink of extinction. It's crazy yo.

[Cidersomerset]

Second thoughts not sure if this post is appropriate ....

[Atlas]

[...] the Russian patriarch and the pope 'meet in Antarctica' recently?
Probably not true :nono: see:

Patriarch Kirill meets penguins at Russian base as he becomes first Orthodox leader to visit Antarctica (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/12162705/Patriarch-Kirill-meets-penguins-in-Antarctica.html)
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03577/Russian_Orthodox_C_3577576b.jpg

[Daozen]

If you had done even a cursory bit of research you would have found out easily enough that u-boat commanders were not referred to as 'masters', not in the Kriegsmarine anyway. There's your first clue to the authenticity of this..............'document'.

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English gent? Where did you get that from? I tell ya. I'm off to bed. Toodle-Pip!

A sharp eyed translator elsewhere has pointed out that "Masters" is an English translation. Callista provided a computer translation, which is useful to quickly glance at the meaning of a document.

But if we look at the original:


Nur für Kapitäne von U-Booten der A-Klasse des Sonderkonvois des Führers

U-Bootflotte der Kriegsmarine des deutschen Reichs

... it clearly states Kapitane, not master.

Voila! The worm turns.

https://youtu.be/hto-UMuYkwk?t=61

[ghostrider]

For what its worth , a splinter group that shares ancestry with the plejaren known as the syrian creator overlords, also called the Giza intelligences were secretly influencing Hitler and giving his scientist technology ... the plejaren were the foo fighters, shutting down nuclear sites trying to avoid nuclear war, and searching for the overlords secret base ... they found it in 1982 , captured them , destroyed the technology, and and dissolved a moon of a distant planet where the base was , and turned it to pure energy ... also they filled in the base under the great pyramid of Giza with stone , captured the beamship that was hidden there for 3,000 years ... the prison ( in another dimension ) holding the syrians is hermetically sealed and guarded by the plejaren federation to this day ... i cannot prove any of this, i have just read it in the 26,000 pages of contact notes ...

[Sequoia]

I wouldn't be so sure…regardless of everyone being thoroughly jaded and not seeing the forest from the trees..wouldn't you like to know what Antarctica is exactly and why would superdupersecretive meetings take place there, and underneath that melting ice/permafrost dun, dun, dun…we are treading thin ice here in uncharted waters, don't get too jaded ;)

[Ultima Thule]

The document strikes me as the photoshop-product of someone with a bit of extra time. One would have to compare the typography of the document with actual ones from the 40s, but my instinct is - especially regarding the distance-marks(500 km etc.) - that the font used is slightly off, possibly too modern, mostly it looks too computer made(punctual with the distances between the letters seemingly of software-origin).
Well, first instinct is that.

UT

[BMJ]

The document strikes me as the photoshop-product of someone with a bit of extra time. One would have to compare the typography of the document with actual ones from the 40s, but my instinct is - especially regarding the distance-marks(500 km etc.) - that the font used is slightly off, possibly too modern, mostly it looks too computer made(punctual with the distances between the letters seemingly of software-origin).
Well, first instinct is that. UT


And if it is a 70 year old document it is extremely well perserved because I can see no evidence of browning on the edges of the document nor fraying.

[Olaf]

That German ID card of "neue Berlin" is fake.

There are several errors in it:

In German the name would be either "Neu-Berlin" or "das neue Berlin". "Neue Berlin" is orthographically incorrect.
At German maps of Antarctica the name of one location is "Neu-Berlin", not "Neue Berlin". (see this map of Asgard (http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chest_i_razym/14880055/84501/84501_original.jpg))
The German name for Antarctica is "Antarktis".
There are typographical errors too. Wrong quotes are used. In Germany we prefer 99 ... 66 („…“) whereas American people use 66 ... 99 (“ ... ”). But here is written "Neue Berlin“, which is completely wrong. Perhaps the used Truetype font did not have proper quotation marks, or the person who created that document simply did know about typography.
Somebody is selling that document at delcampe net (http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,365339277,var,WW2-Document-ID-Pass-Identification-card-Auswies-Neuschwabenland-Base-211-New-Berlin-Antarktika-photo-SS-5136,language,F.html). Even there the description clearly states "NOT ORIGINAL"


So - it is a joke.

http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/365/339/277_001.jpg
http://images-02.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/365/339/277_002.jpg

[Atlas]

[...] the description clearly states "NOT ORIGINAL"
Thank you Olaf! I don't have a valid source for these documents.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qhfONubItS8/VlyBwLYzIUI/AAAAAAAACbI/utKCdGcaLFI/s1600/1navy-hitler2.jpg

Is this quote correct?

[Daozen]

Atlas, I checked out that Shangri-la sentence. It's cited many times. Nearly impossible to tell if it's internet copypasta, or a legitamate quote. The truth is no one knows. But that's why I started this thread, to see what evidence there is out there.

Olaf, thanks for debunking that passport. I checked and das Neue Berline does seem more common. The fact that the passport is fraudulent does not necessarily invalidate the existence of New Berlin, which has long been rumored. We are in tricky territory here. There will be layers and layers of misinformation.

Studying now, so not much time to talk about every post, but everyone has made some interesting points.

This is a very deep subject, in every sense of the word.

[Carmody]

Well, there is this point in understanding:

If I was somehow to be able to go there myself, maybe 3-4-5-6 people on this forum and maybe a few of my family members would truly begin to believe me. I would know if if it was true or not, and the few people would have to stretch their credulity in one direction or another.

The rest of the world would dismiss it wholesale, for the very vast part.

The burden or proof is extreme, at best, especially with world changing, or life changing topics. That line about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. Extreme, 'in your face' and in your life type of proof. The the alien must land on the Whitehouse lawn, with all TV channels on it, that kind of proofing. The kind of proof that sits on your chest, screams in your face like a drill sergeant,grabs your ears and gently bangs your head repeatedly on the floor, and never gives way, until your mind slowly shifts to the new paradigm. All with much pain, fear, wild thinking, and teeth gnashing. Literally, the truth in some way, either gently over time or quickly, must break you. The cup must be emptied or shattered so a new filler or cup can take it's place. Psychological breakdown is the minimum.

Anything else... will simply fail in the face of what you currently are and exist as, vying silently in the backdrop of who you are....remaining in control and maintaining your world view.

Getting into the minds of people, in how they exist today... is the critical part. The rest.. is just window dressing.

What I'm trying to say is the veracity of this document vs some other has little to do with truth or change, the real component at and in play... is always the people, the reader.

As for the document:


The company Hercules Incorporated developed the first alkaline sizing in the 1950s that made acid-free paper possible. But that was due to 1930's acidic paper which was in decay in libraries. How the Germans handled and printed their documents is a matter of question. The vast majority of documents and books from that time period were printed on wood pulp based paper which was invariably acidic and prone to degradation.

One way to test the document is to do a spectral scan with an electron microscope for the elemental ingredients and levels - of the paper. This will show it's manufacturing techniques which can be identified in a given timeline and technology aspect.

[Jantje]

I think it is said that Donitz made that comment during the Nuremburg trials. If that is true it should be documented somewhere.

[Citizen No2]

I am posting this private mail to Daozen here as calling someone out publicly and then apologising privately is not the done thing. Daozen has edited his post's but there was no need for him to do that. I deserved what he said. I'm not going to edit mine, I'd rather leave them up so as to serve as a reminder of what an a**hole I can be. ;)


OK Daozen,

I'd like to offer you an apology for my conduct last night, it was out of order and uncalled for. I should not have logged-on being in the frame of mind that I was, but there you go.

Pompous........? Hmmmmm, maybe. Arrogant........? Yeah I could agree with that. I'd like to call it frustration because that is how I am right now, frustrated, but understand that that is my problem to deal with and nobody else's


Regards.


No drama. It's all good. Sorry to take it off-topic for a second.




Regards.

[Citizen No2]

I'd love for this story to be true.

For years I've heard about this, but so far nothing tangible has been brought forth, so all we are left with is stories. With regards to these secret orders, the first thing that hit me was the condition they are in. Unless they were hermetically sealed, they seem to be in as good as condition as the day they were printed. This in itself is not proof of authenticity or not, but an interesting observation.

The thing that remains at the back of my head though, is that there have been myriad governmental operations that had they not have come to light from official sources, security classification expired, FOI request, etc, etc, they would have remained secret for eternity.

Secrets, by their very nature, are secret, so the possibility that this story is true remains.


Regards.

[Michael Moewes]

Exactely Olaf, on top it's written BASE. the german word would be Basis. Back in 1933 Base was a sinonym for Aunt.


That German ID card of "neue Berlin" is fake.

There are several errors in it:

In German the name would be either "Neu-Berlin" or "das neue Berlin". "Neue Berlin" is orthographically incorrect.
At German maps of Antarctica the name of one location is "Neu-Berlin", not "Neue Berlin". (see this map of Asgard (http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/chest_i_razym/14880055/84501/84501_original.jpg))
The German name for Antarctica is "Antarktis".
There are typographical errors too. Wrong quotes are used. In Germany we prefer 99 ... 66 („…“) whereas American people use 66 ... 99 (“ ... ”). But here is written "Neue Berlin“, which is completely wrong. Perhaps the used Truetype font did not have proper quotation marks, or the person who created that document simply did know about typography.
Somebody is selling that document at delcampe net (http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,365339277,var,WW2-Document-ID-Pass-Identification-card-Auswies-Neuschwabenland-Base-211-New-Berlin-Antarktika-photo-SS-5136,language,F.html). Even there the description clearly states "NOT ORIGINAL"


So - it is a joke.

http://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/365/339/277_001.jpg
http://images-02.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/365/339/277_002.jpg

[Michael Moewes]

I do agree with you Ultima Thule. The entire thing is written in the old german writing which my Granny teached me. and the numbers down on the left side with the graph are modern writings and numbers.
What could be possible, is that these graphs where added later on to visualize better the instructions given above. just an Idea.


The document strikes me as the photoshop-product of someone with a bit of extra time. One would have to compare the typography of the document with actual ones from the 40s, but my instinct is - especially regarding the distance-marks(500 km etc.) - that the font used is slightly off, possibly too modern, mostly it looks too computer made(punctual with the distances between the letters seemingly of software-origin).
Well, first instinct is that.

UT

[Iloveyou]

On a German platform of the extreme-right / neo - Nazi movement the map was discussed and in one of the comments it was suggested that in the Third Reich the submarine commanders were never called 'Kapitaen' (captain, master, skipper), but always 'Kommandant' (commander).

Though there was a rank called 'Kapitaenleutnant' (captain second lieutenant) which was the third-lowest officer's rank (as well as other lower ranks called . . - kapitaen) - whatever their personal rank was, they were called "Kommandant".

So "Nur fuer Kapitaene von U-Booten der A-Klasse . . " on the top left might also be an indication of this special map being a fake.

http://www.ubootarchiv.de/ubootwiki/index.php/Dienstgrade (German)


edit: on the other hand The Fuehrer himself referred to the submarine commanders as 'Kapitaene' in a Christmas speech . . but in an official document . . ?

[shaberon]

My guess is the real part is the guy's photo on the id. The quotation marks are clearly incorrect, most of the lettering is too new, and I can probably buy stamps and seals like that at the surplus store down the street.

Without any translating, what immediately threw me off was, in contrast to the very precise diving instructions, the location to submerge is simply 64 S 1 E. No minutes/seconds, which are fairly huge on the global scale.

Although these documents appear to be modern replicas, the subject they concern may still be valid. Didn't Admiral Byrd think so?

[Olaf]

Here is a video with someone presenting the Map. (with German subtitles, duration 14:20)
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Original source video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q-_eeL8PnY) without subtitles, duration 24:20

"Neuschwabenland - Russland gibt geheime KGB-Archive frei.srt" - deutsche Untertitel
Transcript of German subtitles:

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(time stamps matching original American frame rate of that video 29.97 fps.)

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kramola.info

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Hier sind einige Dokumente. Uns ist es gelungen, sie zur privaten Aufbewahrung abzuholen, nachdem das Projekt beendet wurde.

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Mappen mit Überschrift:
KGB UdSSR, das Forschungsinstitut, streng geheim ...

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Hier ist die berühmte Karte, über die im Internet sehr viel gesprochen wird. Wir werden sie jetzt erstmals zeigen.

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Das ist jene berühmte Lotsenanweisung, mit deren Hilfe die deutschen U-Boot-Seeleute angeblich unter die Eis-Gebiete der Antarktis gelangt sein sollen.

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wo sie nach Anweisung Hitlers mit dem Bau des sogenannten "Neuschwabenland" begonnen haben sollen.

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Sehr oft wird dieses Dokument im Internet in Verbindung gebracht mit dem so genannten Konzept der Hohlerde, auch "Asgard" genannt.

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Das ist aber eine andere Frage, weil ich als Journalist in erster Linie daran interessiert bin, dieses Dokument nach seiner Echtheit/Autenzität zu analysieren.

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In unserem Zeitalter der modernen Technologien ist es im Prinzip nicht so schwer, so eine Akte inklusive "altem" Papier zu fälschen bzw. zu produzieren.

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Aber ein jedes Dokument weist bestimmte kleine Details auf, die es erlauben, das Dokument mit bestimmter Wahrscheinlichkeit auf Echtheit zu prüfen.

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Karte für das Passieren der Meerestiefen
Anweisung zum Passieren von Räumen und Korridoren zur Fahrt nach Agartha

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Das Allererste, was mich an der Echtheit dieses Dokuments zweifeln ließ, war natürlich diese komische Zahl hier - 400 Meter Tauchtiefe.

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Das heißt, damit man in die Untereis-Gebiete der Antarktis gelangen kann, müsste ein deutsches U-Boot auf etwa 400 Meter Tiefe untertauchen.

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Wenn wir aber uns die technischen Daten der deutschen U-Boote aus dem Zweiten Weltkrieg betrachten, sehen wir, dass sie höchstens auf 250-300 Meter Tiefe tauchen konnten.

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Das heißt, in 400 Meter Tiefe müsste ein deutsches U-Boot vom Wasserdruck zerdrückt werden, das Wasser müsste in das Innere des U-Bootes eindringen und so weiter.

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Es gibt aber einige Details, die man noch analysieren muss.
Technische Spezialisten aus dem Bereich des militärischen Seewesens haben uns bestätigt, dass so etwas möglich ist.

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Nämlich, es war möglich, auf 400 Meter Tiefe unterzutauchen.
Damals wurde eine spezielle U-Boot-Klasse für das Sonderkonvoi des Führers gebaut. Diese U-Boote wurden etwas vulgär, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, als "die Kühe" bezeichnet.

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Weil das wirklich sehr große U-Boote waren, die für Materialversorgung als Versorgungsschiffe bestimmt waren.
Und diese U-Boote hatten wie auch moderne U-Boote einen doppelwandigen Körper.

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Und wir haben die Information in diesen Dokumenten gefunden, dass der Raum zwischen zwei Außenwänden des U-Boots mit Ethanol/reinem Alkohol gefüllt wurde.

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Ich weiß nicht, wie diese technische Seite mit dem Ethanol genau funktionieren sollte, daran arbeiten wir noch.

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Jedenfalls sollte es möglich sein, mit dieser Hydro-Isolierung mithilfe Ethanols zwischen den Außenwänden die Festigkeit des U-Bootes zu erhöhen.

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Warum ausgerechnet Ethanol dafür genommen wurde, das müssen wir auch noch herausfinden.

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Es gibt hier noch ein blaues Heft und einige andere Dokumente, wo geschrieben steht, dass man in der Gegend um Berlin und in anderen Gebieten die ganze Kartoffelernte beschlagnahmen soll, um daraus Ethanol zu
produzieren,

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um diese großen U-Boote ausreichend mit Ethanol zu versorgen.

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Im Dokument selbst wird die ganze Methodik beschrieben, wie man mit dem U-Boot unter den Eisschild der Antarktis gelangt, also alle Längsneigungen und Längswinkel auf jedem Wegabschnitt, die man braucht um da
durch zu kommen.

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Im Dokument selbst wird die ganze Methodik beschrieben.
Ein interessanter Zufall, den wir bei der Analyse der Karte entdeckt haben: nach bestimmter Anzahl der zurückgelegten Kilometer unter dem Eis gelangt das U-Boot in einen Hohlraum, wo es auftauchen kann.

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Dieser Hohlraum unter dem Eis ist relativ groß, und er ähnelt in seiner Struktur und Größe dem heute bekannten Wostoksee (4 km unter dem Eispanzer).

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In den letzten 10 Jahren wird immer wieder versucht, bis zu dem Wostoksee durch den Eispanzer zu bohren, um an die Oberfläche des Sees zu gelangen. Das hat natürlich rein wissenschaftliche Zwecke.

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Dabei wird immer wieder vermieden, die Frage der geomagnetischen Anomalie zu klären, die sich am äußersten Rand des Wostoksees befindet. Es wird diese Anomalie nur erwähnt, aber nicht weiter erklärt.

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Wenn wir annehmen, dass dieses Dokument authentisch und echt ist, ich unterstreiche, wenn es echt sein soll, dann können wir annehmen,

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dass unsere Regierungen, unsere Geheimdienste sehr wahrscheinlich den Versuch unternommen haben, in diesen Hohlraum gemäß dieser Karte hinein zu gelangen.

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Vielleicht ist dieser Versuch auch fehlgeschlagen. Es ist möglich, dass diese Lotsenkarte nicht ganz korrekt ist, oder zu dem Zeitpunkt, als wir technisch schon in der Lage waren, in diesen Hohlraum mit einem
U-Boot zu fahren,

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muss man sich auch vergegenwartigen, dass wir es hier mit der Antarktis, mit dem Eis zu tun haben - die Eismasse verändert sich ständig, wir haben die Klimaerwärmung, das Eis schmilzt,

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das heißt, es ist möglich, dass selbst 10 Jahre nach Erstellung dieser Lotsenkarte die Daten in der Karte nicht mehr aktuell sein könnten, weil das Eisprofil des Durchganges sich verändert haben könnte.

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Der Durchgang könnte durch warme Wasserströmungen verändert worden sein, oder mit Eis verstaut, das Durchgangsprofil änderte sich.

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Also als Lösung des Problems könnte unsere Regierung sich entscheiden, von oben durch eine Bohrung in diesen Hohlraum einzudringen. Das nur als eine Annahme von mir.

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Erinnern wir uns daran, was die sowjetische Marine direkt nach dem Sieg im Zweiten Weltkrieg gemacht hat - die UdSSR hat das Gebiet in der Antarktis besetzt, das heute russische Basis "Nowolasarewskaja-Station"
heißt.

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Und genau an diesem Ort befand sich zwischen 1941 und 1945 die deutsche Basis bzw. Station, die für die Gründung des sogenannten "Neuschwabenland" zuständig war.

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Was unsere Leute dort gefunden haben, ist nicht genau bekannt.

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Auf berühmten Auktionen der Welt, wie z.B. auf Sothebys in London, werden jene Fahnen versteigert, die die deutschen Piloten damals über der Antarktis verteilt haben.

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Es wurden damals etwa 1000 Fahnen über Neuschwabenland aus der Luft verteilt, und eine Fahne wird jetzt auf Sothebys für den Kaufpreis ab einer Million Dollar verteigert.
Man kann diese Auktions-Versteigerungen im Internet finden.

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Der zweite Teil der Karte ist auch sehr umstritten und interessant, die Hinweise darauf finden sich bei den antiken Philosophen und Historikern und allgemein in der Mythologie auf der ganzen Welt.

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Ein sehr umstrittener Teil - wir haben lange darüber nachgedacht, und sind zu keiner eindeutigen Antwort gelangt.

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Hier sind zwei Hemisphären dargestellt, die nicht irgend etwas frei erfundenes sein sollen, sondern angeblich eine Kartierung jenes Teils der hohlen Erde, wohin die Deutschen mit ihren U-Booten gelangt sein
sollen.

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Hier sind sogar die deutschen Basen in einer unterirdischen Hemisphäre abgebildet, die es den Deutschen angeblich damals gelang zu gründen.

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Ob das wirklich so sein soll oder nicht, das kann man nicht sagen. Aber, dieser Karte ist ein blaues Heft beigefügt, dazu sage ich was später.

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Wenn man hier den unteren Teil der Karte liest, ist hier zu sehen, dass davon 1500 Exemplare gedruckt worden waren, im KZ Dachau, gedruckt im Jahre 1944.
Wahrscheinlich wurden alle an dem Projekt beteiligten Personen vernichtet.

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Dazu noch sehen wir hier interessante Markierungen.
Wir haben lange gerätselt, was sie zu bedeuten haben, bis uns der bekannte Ozeanologe Angtoli Tawritscheski die Augen geöffnet hat.

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Zuerst haben wir vermutet, dass diese Zahlenangaben die Datumsangaben darstellen, wann es zum Schmelzen des Eises in Sommerzeiten kommt.

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Und er meinte zu uns, dass das einfach die Gezeiten-Werte sind, die täglichen Flut- und Ebbe-Werte.

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Das heißt, diese Werte sind für die U-Boote wahrscheinlich wichtig wegen Unterwasser-Stömungen oder dem Wasserdruck oder anderen physikalischen Faktoren.

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Es ist anzunehmen, dass jedes U-Boot gleich mehrere Exemplare von diesen Karten an Bord hatte, weil hier die Daten für jeden Monat angegeben sind, nicht nach Jahreszeiten.

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Das heißt, man hat jeden Monat die Zeitwerte für Ebben und Fluten an dem Ort gemessen.

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Das heißt, wenn man all diese Werte nicht kennt, kann man dorthin kaum gelangen. Ehrlich gesagt, ich verstehe gar nicht, wie die Deutschen diesen Tunnel unter dem Eis passieren konnten, falls sie es tatsächlich
taten.

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Interessant ist auch, dass dieses ganze Thema mit der Antarktis, mit Neuschwabenland und der Hohlerde bei den Deutschen ziemlich spontan und plötzlich 1939 auftauchte,

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direkt nach der berühmten Expedition von Ernst Schäfer nach Tibet - "Ahnenerbe" wollte Tibet erforschen, um dort die Spuren der Arier zu finden.

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Ich habe bei mir diesen Film von der Expedition mit 2,5 Stunden Filmmaterial, wo sie die Schädel der Tibeter vermessen und verschiedene ethnographische Untersuchungen durchführen.

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Also ausgerechnet nach Rückkehr der Expedition nach Deutschland und nachdem Ernst Schäfer zum Sturmbannführer SS und zu einem der Leiter von "Ahnenerbe" ernannt wurde,

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waren die Deutschen plötzlich an der Erforschung der Antarktis brennend interessiert. Es ist unklar, was die Deutschen im Tibet gefunden haben, in 1941-42 hatten sie schon die genauen Informationen, was sich
unter der Erde befindet.

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Diese Informationen über die Hohlerde sind natürlich absolut absurd und nicht haltbar aus Sicht der modernen Geologie und Physik und Vorstellungen über den inneren Aufbau des Planeten.

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Zusammen mit dieser Karte gelang es uns, dieses Heftlein, sagen wir mal so, zur längerfristigen Aufbewahrung mitzunehmen. Das Heft stammt von einem Oberst ... ich kann leider kein Deutsch und kann das hier nicht
lesen,

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Er heißt Wilhelm Wolf und hat irgend einen höheren Dienstgrad. Das Heft ist mit 10. März 1940 datiert.

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Im Heft werden die Empfehlungen und Befehle des
Führers beschrieben. Hier sehe ich den Befehl Nr. 8 vom 10. Januar 1940 ...

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Die Empfehlungen betreffen das Thema, wie man das Personal für U-Boote und das Personal für geplante Arbeiten auf der Basis unter dem Eis in der Antarktis auswählen soll.

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Interessante Beschreibungen ... und hier wird anscheinend der zweite Teil der Maßnahmen beschrieben, weil der erste Teil oder erste Versuch wahrscheinlich fehlgeschlagen ist, weil

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weil hier steht, dass man von der bereits vorhandenen Erfahrung ausgehend dieses Mal von der Anwerbung die Leute ausschließen soll, die die Familien haben, und dass man die Aufklärungsarbeit durchführen soll und
den Bewerbern erklären, dass ...

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dass man höchstwahrscheinlich für immer abreist und nicht zurück kommt - alles im Namen des Reiches und des Aufbaus eines neuen Staates u.s.w.

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Dieses Heft wurde zusammen mit zwei Fotos von unseren tapferen Kämpfern vom militärischen Abschirmdienst SMERSCH in Deutschland in Besitz genommen.

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Zwei interessante Fotos - auf der Rückseite eines der beiden Fotos sind alle Namen der abgebildeten Personen aufgeschrieben, sodass man anhand dieser Namen nähere Informationen über diese Personen gewinnen kann.

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Hier in der Mitte ist "Genosse" Wolf zu sehen, dem dieses Heft und die Notizen darin gehören ... hier sind die Personen mit Zeichen markiert, wer wo steht ...

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Also, wenn ich das richtig verstehe, die Personen, die auf dem Foto abgebildet sind, waren mit der Vorbereitung der Errichtung der Basis in der Antarktis beschäftigt bzw. beauftragt.

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(Der Flugzeugträger "Schwabenland" katapultiert eines der beiden 10-t-Dornier-Wale zum Erkundungs- und Vermessungsflug in die Antarktis.)

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Das Heft zeichnet sich durch typisch deutsche Bürokratie/Pedantismus aus. Am Ende des Heftes ist die Gesamtzahl der Seiten angegeben,

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mit Reichsmarke gestempelt, und das Heft wurde dann wahrscheinlich zur Aufbewahrung ins Archiv übergeben.
Es gelang aber im Endergebnis in unsere Hände.

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Das sind alles Dokumente, die aus der so genannten Mappe "Merkulow" stammen, deren Inhalt jetzt ziemlich aktiv im Internet verbreitet wird.

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In den letzten 4 Jahren haben wir aus dieser Mappe, schätze ich, etwa 20-30% des Inhalts veröffentlicht.
Der Rest der Dokumente ist nicht nur umstritten, sondern gerät ziemlich heftig in Widerspruch mit der modernen Geschichtsschreibung,

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Und ich glaube, man sollte zuerst die Dokumente selber geistig bearbeiten, nachvollziehen und mit Kommentaren versehen, bevor diese Informationen einfach so unkommentiert veröffentlicht werden können.

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Das sowjetische Dokument des militärischen Abwehrdienstes "SMERSCH", das der KGB-Mappe mit deutschen Dokumenten beigefügt ist, ist echt.
Die Karte und das Heft wurden wirklich 1945 gefunden.
Das heißt, falls die deutschen Dokumente eine Fälschung sein sollten, dann mussten sie von den Nazis noch vor 1945 gefertigt worden sein, z.B. als Täuschungsmanöver, um den Feind (Russen und/oder Amis) in die
Irre zu leiten, damit der Feind seine Kräfte in der Antarktis verschwendet.

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Es folgt jetzt die wortgenaue Übersetzung des sowjetischen Dokuments vom militärischen Abwehrdienst "SMERSCH" vom 12. September 1945 aus diesem Video

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Es folgt jetzt die wortgenaue Übersetzung des sowjetischen Dokuments vo dem militärischen Abwehrdienst "SMERSCH" vom 12. September 1945 aus diesem Video

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Abwehrdienst "SMERSCH" 12. September 1945, Nr Moskau

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(An) Volkskommissariat (= Ministerium) der Staatssicherheit der UdSSR dem Genossen W. N. Merkulow (Minister der Staatssicherheit der UdSSR von 1943-46)

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(Text) Anbei ist ein geheimes Heft, mit den Texten der aufgeschriebenen Befehle des Oberbefehlshabers der Streitkräfte Deutschlands Adolf Hitler und des Reichsführers "SS", über die Rekrutierung der Kandidaten
unter den Militärangehörigen der Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Kriegsmarine und Truppen "SS" für die Entsendung in die Antarktis.

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(Text Fortsetzung) Das Heft mit aufgeschriebenen Befehlen gehört dem Oberst der Wehrmacht Wilhelm Wolf, der zu diesem Zeitpunkt von den Organen des Abwehrdienstes "SMERSCH" gesucht wird.
Das Heft wurde in den Archiven des Oberkommandos der Wehrmacht in der Stadt Pirna bei Dresden gefunden.

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(Text Fortsetzung)
Beigefügt: das Heft mit 12 Seiten, ein Paket mit Fotos und der Text mit der Übersetzung auf 7 Seiten.
(Unterschrift) Abakumow
(W. S. Abakumow, Chef des sowjetischen Abwehrdienstes SMERSCH)

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(Siegel)
14. September 1945
1. Abteilung des Sekretariats des Volkskommissariats (= Ministerium) der Staatssicherheit der UdSSR

[Builder]

About the original post: It does not sound like proper German and some of the words don't make sense or wouldn't be used in that way. Looks fake to me.

[Daozen]

I have to be sparing with my time here, or it'll cut into my study and work. I hope this thread will unfold over weeks. Many aspects have been brought up which need to be dealt with separately.

On the font style, paper quality, preservation of the document, type of paper used;... The Nazis had V2 rockets, a modern airfleet, advanced science, and U-boats. With this range of technologies at their disposal, it's not unthinkable to guess they may have had "slightly advanced typography", and "better than average paper preservation techniques."

Preserving a document for longer than 70 years is not rocket science. I have documents sitting in my room that were printed circa the 1930s. Take moisture and air out of the equation, and you can keep paper for a few decades.

OTOH, all close investigations into the style of the paper and typeface are useful, as this is how hoaxes are uncovered.

CNo2, I'll write back to your email when I get some free time, you raised some interesting points on other subjects. Olaf, thanks for your transcription and translation, I know that takes a lot of work. The English version will be worth looking at.

[Olaf]

About the original post: It does not sound like proper German and some of the words don't make sense or wouldn't be used in that way. Looks fake to me.

In my view it is proper German. The only word I did not knew was "Zuglastigkeit".
But a Google search shows that this word is used in engineering.

Regarding the paper quality (acid-free paper): Some years ago I have seen some magazines that ware printed in NAZI germany, where the paper showed no signs of destruction. It was a nudist magazine with high quality foto printing.
Also in my familiy we had some Bibles that were printed about 1910, which were in absolutely perfekt condition.
From time to time fashion magazines from that time are sold at ebay that seem to be in good conditions.

Mixing of old style fonts and "modern" latin fonts was also very common. For instance in advertisings in newspapers from that time you find all kinds of "old" and modern fonts.

[Builder]

The only word I did not knew was "Zuglastigkeit".

I don't understand the frequent use of the word Schräglage. Why would the sail all the time with Schräglage? The text would make sense if Schräglage meant something like a navigation course, but I have never heard it used in German that way. It means banked over, lopsided, heel.

[meat suit]

The only word I did not knew was "Zuglastigkeit".

I don't understand the frequent use of the word Schräglage. Why would the sail all the time with Schräglage? The text would make sense if Schräglage meant something like a navigation course, but I have never heard it used in German that way. It means banked over, lopsided, heel.

it would be the 'pitch' or 'angle' of the submarine ..

[Nick Matkin]

May I make a general observation about language translation?

Specific subjects often require specialist translators. For example, I came across a military translation from Latvian or Lithuanian (I think) into English that stated the number of 'destroyers' possessed by some military power. Military specialists looked at the translation in disbelief considering it an unexpectedly large number of destroyers.

Of course in military terms in English destroyer clearly means large warship. But in the original language in meant bomber aircraft. The non-military translator did not know this. A specialist military translator would not have made this mistake.

That's a fairly straightforward nuts-and-bolts sort of error. Nuance can also be mistranslated, giving an important statement much more or much less gravitas than was intended in the original language.

There are also cultural differences to consider. In some cultures apology as understood in the West is not a clear concept - the nearest being an expression of 'regret'. Which may sound uncompromising to us, but in the original language it amounts to an apology.

So next time you see a translation, please bear all this in mind. Has not only the factual content but also the emotional content been accurately translated?

[Satori]

Quote from Daozen: "Preserving a document for longer than 70 years is not rocket science. I have documents sitting in my room that were printed circa the 1930s. Take moisture and air out of the equation, and you can keep paper for a few decades."

I have my passport from 1962; which interestingly was issued to me to allow me to travel to Germany. (My father was in the USAF.) It looks as good today as it did the day it was issued to me. No fading. No discoloration. No nothing. My passport was kept by my mother in a manila envelope in a desk and has been moved from place-to-place many times since 1962. She came across it last year while doing some cleaning and gave it to me. Official documents like passports, certificates of title, stock and bonds, and other negotiable instruments, are typically prepared from the best materials available at the time and with great care.

[meat suit]

Well, there is this point in understanding:

If I was somehow to be able to go there myself, maybe 3-4-5-6 people on this forum and maybe a few of my family members would truly begin to believe me. I would know if if it was true or not, and the few people would have to stretch their credulity in one direction or another.

The rest of the world would dismiss it wholesale, for the very vast part.

The burden or proof is extreme, at best, especially with world changing, or life changing topics. That line about extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. Extreme, 'in your face' and in your life type of proof. The the alien must land on the Whitehouse lawn, with all TV channels on it, that kind of proofing. The kind of proof that sits on your chest, screams in your face like a drill sergeant,grabs your ears and gently bangs your head repeatedly on the floor, and never gives way, until your mind slowly shifts to the new paradigm. All with much pain, fear, wild thinking, and teeth gnashing. Literally, the truth in some way, either gently over time or quickly, must break you. The cup must be emptied or shattered so a new filler or cup can take it's place. Psychological breakdown is the minimum.

Anything else... will simply fail in the face of what you currently are and exist as, vying silently in the backdrop of who you are....remaining in control and maintaining your world view.

Getting into the minds of people, in how they exist today... is the critical part. The rest.. is just window dressing.

What I'm trying to say is the veracity of this document vs some other has little to do with truth or change, the real component at and in play... is always the people, the reader.

As for the document:


The company Hercules Incorporated developed the first alkaline sizing in the 1950s that made acid-free paper possible. But that was due to 1930's acidic paper which was in decay in libraries. How the Germans handled and printed their documents is a matter of question. The vast majority of documents and books from that time period were printed on wood pulp based paper which was invariably acidic and prone to degradation.

One way to test the document is to do a spectral scan with an electron microscope for the elemental ingredients and levels - of the paper. This will show it's manufacturing techniques which can be identified in a given timeline and technology aspect.

here are a collection of very well preserved nazi papers found in Poland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5Mbpkd3B4

[Cara]

Not sure this is 100% relevant here but this seems to be the most recent thread that looks at Antarctica and the Nazi's...

This is a short video (14min) that looks at some of the more mysterious visits to Antarctica. Includes some video footage of an interview with Admiral Byrd. (The title does not seem to reflect what is in the video itself.)

Obama's Secret Antarctica Trip: A Planned WW3 Escape Route? (Operation Highjump Russia + U.S.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B97kDYEIWvE


This documentary short is a complex presentation of recent U.S. and Russian visits to Antarctica, the Nazis, and Hollow Earth, including its importance in Nazi Germany before and during WW2, and Antarctica's possible escape route off of the Earth for many Nazi's who mysteriously disappeared after the war without a trace. Few know the truth about Antarctica, as it is an expanse of land that has gone unnoticed for centuries. But not by the Nazis...They knew the truth...

The Nazis believed there might have been a civilization inside the Earth. This was the belief of Helena Blavatsky, who profoundly influenced the Nazi's philosophy and esotericism. There is an abundance of evidence to suggest that a theory now considered dumb to most people, the hollow Earth, had an unusual cult following in Nazi Germany. German pop figures and writers also supported this idea, including one writer named Karl Neupert. The Earth was not a solid rock, but was shaped more like a human eyeball, having two portals of entry at the North and South poles and was hollow in the center. An empire was alleged to exist inside the Earth called Agartha. This is where the master race dwells.

Why was this? The Nazis did not create the hollow Earth concept. The idea preceded them. Even illuminati members Edgar Allen Poe and Jules Verne alluded in their poetry and prose to such a place, deep underneath the crust. Call it conspiracy, but the Nazi's led three expeditions to Antarctica, and Admiral Richard Byrd, who led Operation Highjump, suggests that "bases" were established in Antarctica by the Nazis. They were doing something down there. Was the continent an escape for them?

Now, Obama visited Antarctica in March, and he was preceded by Patriarch Kirill of Russia. Simultaneous to Obama's visit to the South Pole, his director of CIA, James Clapper, made a secret trip to Australia, another country with heavy interest in Antarctica. Kirill offered a strange blessing of Antarctica, calling the barren land an "ideal for human kind" because there were no weapons down there or any type of science experiments. Except, we know that is not true at all: there are multiple scientific expeditions that have gone to Antarctica: this was confirmed in an interview with Richard Byrd, who said that the region would become the center of scientific inquiry directly after WW2. What did he mean by this?

All of the work in this documentary is, to the best of my ability, as accurate as possible. Some have questioned the authenticity of Richard Byrd's secret diary. Despite this, I have found no reason to doubt it authenticity, considering that many of the claims made in the book are highly detailed about his experiences.

Please note: this video is not an attempt to offer a commentary on globe vs. flat earth. This video is meant to say that the Nazis were operating in Antarctica, and possibly made a quick escape through Antarctica when they had to flee. My commentary on hollow earth is meant to reflect what the Nazis believed in Europe at the time, influenced by Theosophist Helena Blavatsky, who believed the master race lived inside the Earth.

[Daozen]

That was posted a while back Searcher, thanks.... Not sure what I think of that specific vid, but there is definitely high strangeness at Antarctica. It is closely guarded for a reason.

[gord]

If I whip out my trusty abracadabacus I see that "64 S 1 E" describes an area of well over 100 square miles. Hit or miss wouldn't be good enough.


My guess is the real part is the guy's photo on the id. The quotation marks are clearly incorrect, most of the lettering is too new, and I can probably buy stamps and seals like that at the surplus store down the street.

Without any translating, what immediately threw me off was, in contrast to the very precise diving instructions, the location to submerge is simply 64 S 1 E. No minutes/seconds, which are fairly huge on the global scale.

Although these documents appear to be modern replicas, the subject they concern may still be valid. Didn't Admiral Byrd think so?

[Cara]

That was posted a while back Searcher, thanks.... Not sure what I think of that specific vid, but there is definitely high strangeness at Antarctica. It is closely guarded for a reason.

Oops, sorry for re-posting old info.

[Jules]

I am glad you posted the video, it is difficult to go through all the videos in this forum. I kept having dreams about Antarctica within the last year, there is something strange, yet also beautiful there. I cannot afford to go there, and if I could would not be able to go where I will find the answers I am looking for. I think that I can only visit Antarctica in my dreams for now. I have a feeling that there is an underground base there with a lot of natural beauty.

[Matondu]

Well as I am German it is easy for me to read these pages. They seem pretty legit. But as said before it could all be a fake.
BUT what i stumbled upon when viewing these pictures is far more interesting... to me anyways.
There are pictures of an old German book on that Russian website that seem to be some Nazi internal scientific summaries of old tibetian manuscripts about the history of mankind and its different races occupying earth throughout the last millions of years. I have just begun transcribing it as it is written in a very old German fond.
Once I am finished I will post it here and later will also post an English translation.
Very cool stuff about Lemuria, Atlantis, Giants, Ancient Alien "Helpers"
It is titled:

Forschungen unter der Schirmherrschaft des Reichsführers SS

Urrassen
Kommentierte wissensschaftliche Übersetzung eines alttibetischen Manuskripts


Research under the sponsorship of the Reichsführer SS
Primordial Races
Commented scientific translation of an old tibetian manuscript.

Very cool stuff that links a lot with stuff written in books by Dolores Cannon for example.

Do you guys think it would be good to open a new threat for this?

Best regards
Mark

[Bill Ryan]

Do you guys think it would be good to open a new thread for this?



Yes, please do. If you really do have good translations of summaries of old Tibetan manuscripts (or something that claims to be that), they'd be very interesting to read.

The reality of those kinds of Tibetan manuscripts isn't out of the question. It'd also be valuable (after you've managed a good translation) to have your objective, considered view of the likely authenticity of the whole thing -- i.e. how easy/difficult all this would be to hoax.

[Olaf]

Very cool stuff about Lemuria, Atlantis, Giants, Ancient Alien "Helpers"

It is titled:
Forschungen unter der Schirmherrschaft des Reichsführers SS
Urrassen



Well, here it is (somebody allready typed it :wink:): Ahnenerbe 1940 Die Evolution des Menschen (Tibet Legenden) (http://pastebin.com/60fJE8vG)

Some of our native speakers could put it into Google translate and than fix the errors of the automatic translation.

Here is a russian site that has photographs of that Ahnenerbe brochure: Советские исследования прошлых цивилизаций, версия Опубликовано (http://memocode.asia/2014/03/sovetskie-issledovaniya-proshlyx-civilizacij-versiya/) (Soviet studies of past civilizations, the version published)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Thanks, I'll take a stab. Will make an interesting read.

[norman]

Meanwhile, here's the raw GT translation.

From book

Study society for intellectual history
German ancestor
Weekly management
(For the service use)
Edition January 1940

The Reichsführer
Berlin, 1970

The Five Urrasses.
The evolution of man.
Translation of an Old Tibetan manuscript

350 million years ago the first polar race of angels was created. The first man as an idea. Body growth - 52 meters. The body consists merely of an electromagnetic envelope. Propagation is by division.

110 million years ago the Hyperböraer emerge from this breed. This was a transitional passage from man as a concept to man in a concrete form. Body growth - 36 meters.

28 million years ago the Lemur-like breed originates from this breed. This breed runs through two development stages. In the first, men were born of eggs and were hermaphrodites. They had a group mindset. The initial body height was 18 meters.
Prior to 18.5 million years, the human beings acquired individual characteristics of the individual, and a division was made between the sexes. The body grew 34 meters. People became mortal.

Five years ago, the Atlantic race was born. The body of human beings reached
2.5 meters. The first civilization of the Atlanteans - the Toltecs - existed one million years ago.

The Aryan race developed 1 million years ago.




The seven evolutionary cycles
Translation of an Old Tibetan manuscript

The sun was born 8.1 billion years ago.
30814 years and others - the sun explodes again.

2.6 billion years after the birth of the sun, the earth takes shape and solidifies.
Neither day nor night, only darkness and vapor. The birth of the rock.

3.8 billion years after the birth of the sun began the synthesis of life.
Oxygen and the first water drop are formed. The first algae are produced.

5.3 billion years after the birth of the sun, the soil forms, swamps emerge and first plants emerge.

6.2 billion years after the birth of the sun took the form of the sky. The earth puffs into a ball. Due to the rotation of the earth's crust and the earth's core in the opposite direction, an electromagnetic field is created. This results in the emergence of first water insects as well as earth- and water-bound living forms.

6.4 billion years after the birth of the sun, the first fish and birds emerge.

7.4 billion years after the birth of the sun, first forms of swirling emerge. It began the era of dinosaurs.

7.75 billion years after the birth of the sun, man emerges as a vague figure, as an idea.



P. 1 (right part missing in image)

Urrassen
First breed
(Later born race of angels)

Through "lunar ancestors" in an "indestructible h ..
(The cradle of mankind) was before and 350 million
The "later-born" first race of humans
A sexless breed of "angels", if you have them ...
"People". They had an egg-shaped
Were designated as "first polar" breed, with a growth
52 meters. The body consisted of an ethereal electro ...
(An assumed one). The propagation was carried out by
This breed stopped 110 million years ago due to the e ...
Prewar of the Hyperboreans.

Second race
(Made of sweat)

The Hyperboreans. A transitional race of people from
(Etheric body) to a physically comp ...
The evolution of this race is 82 million years.
Cover that the people of the first breed possessed, w ...
Hyperborean to an inner one. It happened
Compaction of the outer shell. The "sweat
Hyperborean race was the same as the representatives
Breed a sexless one and augmented first

-1-

P. 2/3

Later by a split. The growth was about 36 meters. In terms of external appearance, people consisted of two shells - assumed - condensed and electrical.
The Hyperboraeans, as well as the other Urrenes, had seven subterrasses, each of which ran through a long evolutionary process.

Third race
(Born or emerged from eggs)

The lemurate breed. The eggs that emerged from "eggs" existed some 28 million years ago, since eggs were reproduced at the beginning of this cycle. At that time, not only were humans sexless, but also animals. The height of the body was about 18 meters.
Exceptionally slow, from generation to generation, the breed became a bisexual (to an androgenic). The first people from a real solid body had a height of about 34 meters and were hermaphrodites. They had a soft, physical body that was permeated by magnetic currents. The atmosphere on Earth was more of an etheric and vaporous form. Many metals which later became too solid were still in a liquid and vaporous state.

The mind or reason of the Lemurians was a latent one in a strong physical life, in the absence of self-awareness, and in a language. Man was a fighting animal. The focus of life concentrated in the area of ​​adrenal glands and, above all, developed an animal courage and resistance to a shock.
Then, as is the case with ancient Atlantic manuscripts, "Gods of Venus", "Great Teachers," "Sons of Fire", with a "humanitarian mission", came to the earth about 18 million years ago, with the emergence of humanity The division by gender, the occurrence of death in connection with "immersion in solid matter," as well as the spread of an individualization, since people had earlier a group consciousness and a soul.
The "Great Teachers" turned into half-bodied bodies, became leaders and priests, and led mankind, who was just at the beginning of their development, behind them, to the heights of spiritual perfection. For the first time, primitive crafts, which are related to the processing of the skins of wild animals, develop science and medicine.
Together with humans, evolutionary transformations take place in the animal world. The number of their species increased, the division by sex took place with some animals only with the time. Such representatives of the animal world as Plesiosaurians, Dragons, and Pterodartylians were to the end of the third race of mankind.
The first "educated" people voluntarily renounced animal food and crude sex, which demanded a stable development of self-control over the animal instincts. The attempt of a humanitarian mission of the "gods of Venus" ended with the replacement of their own "teachers" by humans, in much later times - by atlantic.
The bulk of the lemurier remained gross-headed and with a low intellect as well as an excessive sexual appetite. Widespread was zoophilia. It was precisely for this reason that the first came

P. 4/5

Monkeys at the beginning of the Atlantic period.

Cause of the Lemurian Fall.

The continent of the Lemurians stretched along the equator from today's Africa to Australia as well as up to the Himalayan mountains. As a result of the approach of the former Sputnik of the planet Icarus, which was destroyed 1.5 million years ago, the moon, which penetrated into the orbit of the Earth, swept along the mainland belt, destroying the territory of the Lemurians. In the course of the next 49 years, a large part of the lemurs died because of the onset of natural catastrophes on the earth. By the death of the main body of the Lemurians there was a selection of their best remaining part, which formed seven subterrites - the third race (the Protogytae), which created the basis for the formation of a rational civilized mankind and the great Atlantean race. Architectural monuments, which have been left by the lemurs, are the stone coasters on the Easter Island, which are described by Stonehenge et al.

Fourth race
(Atlantic)

The first Atlanteans - the Murmudones - emerged at the time of the Lemurians on a separate island in the Atlantic Ocean, isolated from the outer world, about 5 million years ago. They were 4 meter giant, with big heads and with a red, white and yellow skin color. According to evolutionary development and mental perfection, their body height decreases.
The next subculture of the Atlanteans was the Autohonen - an underpass of people with a body growth of about 3 meters, which existed 2, 5 million years ago. The average lifetime of the mumudons and autohons was about 600 years.
Approximately at this time the following subterrites of the Atlantians were formed: one white, one red, one yellow and one black, which developed autonomously in seven parts of the earth.
The methods used to guide people through "Great Teachers" remained the previous ones. They became priests and rulers of several generations of the younger mankind and developed them independently of each other in different parts of the earth.
The first developed civilization of the Atlanteans falls into the third subculture (the actual subrace) of the Atlanteans - the Toltecs - about a million years ago. The growth of the people made 2.5 meters. They had uniform facial features and had an average life span of 300 years. Many of the Toltecs themselves decided when to break into the "fine world". The Toltecs had a developed literary language and laws. They wrote on thin metal plates, and they were able to duplicate texts that they kept in leather purses. They had schools and universities. Developed were such disciplines as the divination and the telepathy. Unique knowledge was received by the "Great Teachers".
The first legendary island state was created on the island of Atlantis, which took up a large part of the Atlantic Ocean and, as a capital, owned the city of "Golden Gates", characterized by majestic architecture, golden columns, monuments and domes. In all parts of the world the Atlantean pyramids built the negative effect of the fractures in the Earth's crust, and at the same time served as a navigation system for the "Great Teachers".



P.6 / 7
The mechanisms used by the Atlanteans in the construction of the pyramids have been taken over by the "leaders" who had contributed to the technology, weapons, and the strong crystal, the energy of which was exploited by Atlantians in the construction of aircraft , to use. In Atlantis there existed a unit or group of so-called vimans (pilots) that moved about 850,000 years ago in the sky and cosmos.
The secret weapon of the Atlantians, the so-called "Masch-mak", which came from the "Great Teachers" - was used in the conquest of other peoples. With the help of a directed jet, the Atlanteans could destroy whole cities at once and destroy the world.
850,000 years ago, the leaders of Atlantis, who had raised themselves against the gods and "Great Teachers", committed an irreparable error which led to a change in the course of the "time epoch" and the fall of the bulk of the island of Atlantis. With the aid of their weapon, the Vimans, who were desirous of destroying the hoards of the gods, made the mighty ray of the universe to the center of the earth, causing an explosion of unheard-of power , Which led to a division of the island, the main part of which fell in the whirlpool of the ocean. At this point is the Saragossa Lake.
The majority of the "gods" who lived under the earth and enjoyed the benefits of the paradise created by them died because of the explosion of the inner sun. In their place other "gods" came from the planet Nibiru. And in heaven a god-war broke out.
After this tragedy, the Earth changed its orbital and rotational cycle around the sun, which made the 365 days that we were used to. There was a shift in the poles. The open accesses to the heart of the earth, the "cradle of mankind", the "paradise of the gods", had been closed on both sides by a supply of mixed masses of earth, and they were renewed After a period of time has elapsed at the points of the formation of new poles due to the centrifugal force, by the rotation of the earth around its own axis.
Beginning from the year 199.586 BCE, the Earth was exposed to the influence of the gigantic planet Nibiru every 15,599 years, which moved with an interval of 3600 years around the Sun on an elliptical orbit, Solar system.
In connection with the fact that the Earth's orbit changed and took on the form known to us today, the orbiting of the planet Nibiru around the sun in the asteroid belt clockwise every 3600 years arouses the electromagnetic fields of the earth and the other planets of the solar system that oppose each other The clockwise direction, and provokes a downfall of meteorites and asteroids to the earth. And every 4th cycle of the orbiting of the Sun through this planet ends with a new downfall of the existing civilization due to the flooding of the continent. During this time, the mainland on the Earth from the side of the Pacific Ocean, which faces the planet Nibiru, is quickly flooded by the displaced water.

Thus, the old atlases led a time calculation according to Armageddon, which is shown in the following table.

199,586 years BCE - the 1st Armageddon.
84.386 years BCE - the 2nd Armageddon
12.386 years BCE - the 3rd Armageddon.


P. 8/9
As a result of the events that took place 850,000 years ago, the Toltec civilization of the Atlanteans declined in the course of a few successive 100,000 years. Instead, the Auronian civilization of people of yellow skin color, whose flowering period falls in the period from the 1st Armageddon to the year 199.586 BCE. The people of this submarine of the Atlantians, who did not rule in Atlantis, were colonialisers, gross and brutal warriors. A large part of them settled east of Atlantis, in Asia as far as Central China. This subterranean is still represented by high-growth Chinese. A large part of the people of this submarine were killed by the 2nd Armageddon in 84.386 BCE.
The Aurites were replaced by the Semites and Akkadians. Representatives of the white race, which appeared around 80.0000 years BCE. The Semites were characterized by maturity and war, energy, and excellent health. Much of them became nomads. Characteristics of this subterranean were intolerance with the neighbors, suspicion and mistrust. Their descendants were the Jews and kabyls of North Africa.
The Akkadians waged war against the Semites, which ultimately defeated them. They distinguished themselves by the spirit of the company. They were colonialists. They achieved great success in science, maritime navigation, astronomy and astrology. They established great cities, established contacts with the most distant regions of the earth. Among their direct descendants were the Phoenicians and the peoples who settled the shores of the Mediterranean.
The last submarine of the Atlanteans are the Mongols, descended from the lower ranks of the Autonians, and settled in the steppes of Eastern Siberia. They lived as nomads and landowners. A large proportion of these subterrites have been destroyed by the 3rd Armageddon in 12.386 BCE. From the time shown, the beginning of the era of the fifth Urrasse of the people - the Aryan - that arose a million years ago.

The fifth Urrasse - the Aryans.

In the course of the evolutionary process, the Aryan Urrasse emerges from the last subgroups of the Atlantic race a million years ago. The main mission for the existence of the Aryan race is to lead all humanity from the deep icy darkness to the summits of perfection. The detailed history of the Aryan Urrasse has been set out in the weeks study by the Studiengesellschaft für Geistesurgeschichte "Deutsches Ahnenerbe" for the months October to December 1938.

[Matondu]

Well damn... just as i finished typing it up I came back here to see that it has been done. :)

Then I might as well just give my five cents towards what I think of it and how I see its significance and authenticity.

First of all I sincerely believe that most of the text is an honest translation and excerption of old Tibetan texts and not a work of fiction made at a later date. It is well known and documented how far the German forces went and how certain groups within were heavily determined to gather ancient knowledge.
At the same time we must not forget what the agenda at the time was. It was prudent for the Leadership to establish a sound argument based on their findings that the Arien race is superior and at the center of creation.
At the same time to paint a picture that the Jews are all what people believed them to be in order to justify the horrendous acts.
Both of these points can easily be spotted in the text and are very likely alterations and additions to fit the political agenda.
But you can notice that the last paragraph concerning the Ariens is also the shortest and least elaborate one.
One might speculate that the scholar at the time that was able to translate and interpret the Tibetan texts was well intended and a true seeker of truth. But was working for and being sponsored by a dark force whose favor he was dependend on.
So he added what they wanted to hear. But in very few and brief words. In my opinion that points out how little they mean in significance compared to the other parts of the texts were he elaborates quite far about the single races.

This is the first time that I see the name Nibiru mentioned outside of the works and times of Sitchin. But I am not an expert here.
The mentionings of the large floods reminded me of an extraordinary interesting podcast I recently watched.
Its a Joe Rogan interview with Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson.
At around 1:50 they start showing pictures of landscapes that show clear signs of huge water masses rushing trough. Incredible!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5LCLljJho

Well worth watching.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

A more thorough English version, for ease of reading (with annotations), and many corrections of some faulty and confusing translations. For example, where it says in the original text: "The Great Teachers turned into half-bodied bodies", the correct translation is: "The Great Teachers transformed into half-animal bodies" etc. Google does some very strange things, but that's understandable, as context is everything. Whole words and phrases may be translated verbatim, but context is most often utterly skewed. In places however I am forced to make a few suppositions...


From the book: Study of the intellectual history of the German ancestor

The Reichsführer
Berlin, 1970

The Five Urrasses. [Root Races?]
The evolution of man.
Translation of an Old Tibetan manuscript

[I think, but can’t be sure, that “Urrassen” here refers to ‘root race’, or origin of race. Matondu or someone with better command of German can confirm the exact meaning.]


350 million years ago the first polar race of angels was created. The first men - as an idea. Body growth - 52 meters. The body consisted merely of an electromagnetic envelope. Propagation was by division.

110 million years ago the Hyperböraer [Hyperborean] race emerged from this breed. This was a transitional passage from man as a concept, to man in a concrete form. Body growth - 36 meters.

28 million years ago the Lemurians originated from this breed. This breed saw two development stages. In the first, men were born from eggs and were hermaphrodites. They had a [collective?] group mindset. The initial body height was 18 meters.

Prior to 18.5 million years, the human beings acquired individual characteristics [ego?], and a division was made between the sexes. The body grew to 34 meters. People became mortal.

Five years ago [five million] years ago, the Atlantean race was born. The body of human beings reached 2.5 meters. The first civilization of the Atlanteans - the Toltecs - existed one million years ago.

The Aryan race developed 1 million years ago.


The Seven Evolutionary Cycles
Translation of an Old Tibetan manuscript

The sun was born 8.1 billion years ago.
After 30,814 years, the sun explodes again.

2.6 billion years after the birth of the sun, the earth takes shape and solidifies.
There is neither day or night, only darkness and vapour. The birth of rock [crust].

3.8 billion years after the birth of the sun the synthesis of life began.
Oxygen and the first water droplets are formed. The first algae are produced.

5.3 billion years after the birth of the sun, the soil forms, swamps emerge and first plants emerge.

6.2 billion years after the birth of the sun and sky [atmosphere] begins to form. The earth puffs into a ball. [expands??]

"the Expanding Earth theory", which I personally believe in. Also bear in mind that millions of years ago, if the earth was significantly smaller, so would gravity be lower - thus being able to far better support much vaster creatures like the dinosaurs, and humans growing 10s of meters tall in this instance].

Due to the rotation of the earth's crust and the earth's core in the opposite direction, an electromagnetic field is created. This results in the formation of the first water insects as well as earth and water-bound life forms.

6.4 billion years after the birth of the sun, the first fish and birds emerge.

7.4 billion years after the birth of the sun, first forms of vertebrates emerge. The era of dinosaurs begin.

7.75 billion years after the birth of the sun, man emerges as a vague figure, as an idea.


P. 1 (right part missing in image)

Urrassen (Root races)
First breed
(Later born race of angels)

[my note: some parts missing from text, highlighted by ...ellipses...]

Through "lunar ancestors" in an "indestructible h...
The cradle of mankind occurred prior to 350 million...
The "later-born" first race of humans were
a sexless breed of "angels", if you will... or "People".
They had an egg-shaped...
They were designated as "first polar" breed, with a growth of
52 meters. The body consisted of an ethereal electro...
(An assumed one). The propagation was carried out by...
This breed ceased to exist 110 million years ago due to the e...
Prior [to the existence] of the Hyperboreans.

Second race
(Made of sweat)

The Hyperboreans: a transitional race of people from...
(Etheric body) to a physically comp [composition?]...
The evolution of this race took 82 million years.
Cover that the people of the first breed possessed [The first breed possessed an exterior sheath/envelope - maybe electromagnetic/ethereal] – the Hyperborean an inner one. A
compaction of the outer shell occurred. The "sweat
Hyperborean race was the same as the representatives...
Breed a sexless one and augmented first

-1-

P. 2/3

Later by a split. The growth was about 36 meters. In terms of external appearance, people consisted of two shells - assumed - condensed and electrical.
The Hyperboreans, as well as the other races, had seven sub-races, each of which ran through a long evolutionary process.

Third race
(Born or emerged from eggs)

The Lemurian breed. Those that emerged from "eggs" existed some 28 million years ago, since eggs were reproduced at the beginning of this cycle. At that time, not only were humans sexless, but so were animals. The height of the body was about 18 meters.

Exceptionally slow, from generation to generation, the breed became bisexual [hermaphroditic?] (to androgenic). The first people from a real solid body had a height of about 34 meters and were hermaphrodites. They had a soft, physical body that was permeated by magnetic currents. The atmosphere on Earth was more of an etheric and vaporous form. Many metals, which later became too dense, were still found in liquid / vaporous state.

The underlying motivation of the Lemurians was in a strong physical life, with an absence of self-awareness, and in language. Man was a fighting animal. The focus of life was concentrated in the area of adrenal glands and, above all, [he] developed an animalistic courage and resistance to a shock.

Then, as is the case with ancient Atlantean manuscripts, "Gods of Venus", "Great Teachers," "Sons of Fire," with a "humanitarian mission," came to Earth for 18 million years – [it saw] the emergence of mankind divided by gender, and the occurrence of death in connection with "physicality," as well as the spread of an individualization, since earlier people had a group soul/consciousness.

The "Great Teachers" transformed into half-animal bodies [connection here to animal-god mythology]; they became leaders and priests to lead mankind - which was just at the beginning of its development - to the heights of spiritual perfection. For the first time, primitive crafts, which were related to the processing of the skins of wild animals, developed science and medicine.

Together with humans, evolutionary transformations took place in the animal world. The number of species increased. Propagation by sex took place with some animals over time. Such examples in the animal world included Plesiosaurians, Dragons, and Pterodartylians up to the end of the third race of mankind.

The first "educated" people voluntarily renounced sex and eating meat. This demanded a stable development of self-control over one’s animal instincts. The attempt of a humanitarian mission of the "gods of Venus" ended with the replacement of their own "teachers" with human teachers in much later times - by Atlanteans.

The bulk of the Lemurians remained stubborn, with low intellects as well as an excessive sexual appetite. Zoophilia was widespread. It was precisely for this reason that the first [teachers] came.

P. 4/5

Apes at the beginning of the Atlantean period.

Cause of the Lemurian Fall.

The continent of Lemuria stretched along the equator from today's Africa to Australia as well as up to the Himalayan mountains. As a result of the approach of the former satellite of the planet Icarus, which was destroyed 1.5 million years ago, its moon, which penetrated the Earth's orbit, swept along the mainland border destroying the territory of Lemuria. In the course of the next 49 years, a large part of the Lemurians died due to the onset of natural catastrophe. At the destruction of the main mass of Lemuria, a group of surviving Lemurians formed seven sub-races, the third race (the Protogytaeans) - which created the basis for the formation of a rational civilized humanity - was the great Atlantean race. Architectural monuments, which have been left by the Lemurians, are the stone colossi – the statues on Easter Island, and Stonehenge et al.

Fourth race
(Atlantean)

The first Atlanteans - the Murmudones - emerged at the time of the Lemurians on a separate island in the Atlantic Ocean, isolated from the outer world, about 5 million years ago. They were 4 meter giants, with big heads, with red, white or yellow skin color. In accordance with evolutionary development and mental perfection, their body height decreased [over time?].

The next subculture of the Atlanteans was the Autohonen – a lower race of people with a body growth of about 3 meters, which existed 2.5 million years ago. The average lifetime of the Murmudons and Autohons was about 600 years.

Approximately at this time the following sub-races of the Atlanteans were formed: one white, one red, one yellow and one black, which developed autonomously in seven parts of the earth.

The previous methods of guiding people through "Great Teachers” remained. They became priests and rulers, reigning over young mankind for several generations, and developing them independently of each other in different parts of the world.

The first developed civilization of the Atlanteans fell into an actual sub-race - the Toltecs - about a million years ago. The growth of this people reached 2.5 meters. They had uniform facial features and had an average life span of 300 years. Many of the Toltecs themselves decided to create the "good [orderly?] world". The Toltecs had a developed literary language, and laws. They wrote on thin metal plates, and they were able to duplicate texts that they kept in leather pouches. They had schools and universities. So developed were these disciplines, [they touched] divination and telepathy. Unique knowledge was [given] by the "Great Teachers".

The first legendary island state was created on the island of Atlantis, which took up a large part of the Atlantic Ocean. The city of "Golden Gates" was its capital, characterized by majestic architecture, golden columns, monuments and domes. In all parts of the world the Atlanteans built pyramids, which helped the negative effects of fractures in the Earth's crust, and at the same time served as a navigation system for the "Great Teachers".


P.6 / 7

The mechanisms used by the Atlanteans in the construction of the pyramids came from the "leaders", who had brought them weapon technology, and a powerful crystal, the energy of which was exploited by the Atlanteans in the construction of flying machines. In Atlantis there existed a unit or group of so-called piloted vimanas that moved about in the sky and cosmos 850,000 years ago.

The secret weapon of the Atlanteans, the so-called "Masch-mak", which came from the "Great Teachers" - was used in the conquest of other peoples. With the help of a directed beam, the Atlanteans could destroy whole cities at once and destroy the world.

850,000 years ago, the leaders of Atlantis, who had risen up against the gods and "Great Teachers", committed an irreversible error, which led to a change in the course of the "era", and the fall of the bulk of the island of Atlantis. On the orders of the leaders of Atlantis, and wanting to destroy the many gods, they created a mighty weapon, and with the aid of the Vimanas, they directed a mighty ray [energy beam?] from the universe into the center of the earth, causing an explosion of unheard-of power. This led to the break up of the island, the main part of which fell in the whirlpool of the ocean, located in the Sargasso Sea.

The majority of the "gods" who lived under the earth and enjoyed the benefits of their self-created paradise, died in the explosion of the inner sun. In their place other "gods" came from the planet Nibiru. And in heaven a war of the Gods broke out.

After this tragedy, the earth changed its orbital and rotational cycle around the sun, creating the 365 day cycle we are now used to. There was a shift in the poles. The open access-points to the inner earth, (and the "cradle of mankind", or the "paradise of the gods"), had been closed at either end by a filling-in of rock and earth, but they were renewed after a period of time with the formation of new poles due to centrifugal force, and the rotation of the earth around its own axis.

Beginning in the year 199,586 BCE, the Earth was exposed to the influence of the gigantic planet Nibiru, [which encountered earth?] every 15,599 years. It moved at an interval of 3,600 years around the Sun in an elliptical orbit, extending far beyond the boundary of the solar system.

Because the Earth's orbit changed and took on the form known to us today, the orbiting of the planet Nibiru clockwise around the sun every 3,600 years, and in the asteroid belt, it perturbed the electromagnetic field of the earth and the other planets of the solar system that oppose that clockwise orbit, thus it triggered a fall of meteorites and asteroids on the earth. And every 4th cycle of this planet orbiting the Sun, there was a new downfall of the existing civilization, due to the flooding of the landmasses. During this time, the pacific mainland, which faced the approaching planet Nibiru, was quickly flooded by the displaced water.

Thus, the old atlases led to a calculation according to Armageddon, which is shown in the following table.

199,586 years BCE - the 1st Armageddon.
84,386 years BCE - the 2nd Armageddon
12,386 years BCE - the 3rd Armageddon.


P. 8/9
As a result of the events that took place 850,000 years ago, the Toltec civilization of the Atlanteans declined in the course of a few successive 100,000 years. In their stead, the Auronian civilization of people of yellow skin color flourished in this period, falling between the 1st Armageddon and the year 199,586 BCE. This colonial Atlantean sub-race, who did not rule in Atlantis, were crude and brutal warriors. A large part of them settled east of Atlantis, in Asia as far as Central China. This sub-race is represented by the high growth-rate Chinese people. A large part of them were killed by the 2nd Armageddon in 84,386 BCE.

The Auronians were replaced by the Semites and Akkadians, representative of the white race that appeared around 80,000 years BCE. The Semites were characterized by violence and war, but vitality and excellent health. Many of them became nomads. Characteristics of this sub-race were suspicion and mistrust, and intolerance of neighboring peoples. Their descendants were the Jews and Kabyle peoples [Algeria] of North Africa.

The Akkadians waged war against the Semites, which ultimately defeated them. They were colonialists in nature, and distinguished themselves in comradeship. They achieved great success in science, maritime navigation, astronomy and astrology. They established great cities, established contacts with the most distant regions of the earth. Among their direct descendants were the Phoenicians and the peoples who settled the shores of the Mediterranean.

The last sub-race of the Atlanteans were the Mongols, descended from the lower ranks of the Autonians, who settled in the steppes of Eastern Siberia. They lived as nomads and landowners. A large proportion of this sub-race were destroyed in the 3rd Armageddon of 12,386 BCE. From this time was the beginning of the fifth Root-Race of peoples - the Aryan - that [first which] arose a million years ago.

The fifth Root-Race - the Aryans.

In the course of the evolutionary process, the Aryan root-race emerged from the last sub-groups of the Atlantean race a million years ago. The main mission, and reason for the Aryan race, is to lead all humanity from the deep icy darkness to the summits of perfection. The detailed history of the Aryan race has been set out in the weekly study by the Studiengesellschaft für Geistesurgeschichte [The Intellectual Study of the History of Society] "Deutsches Ahnenerbe" [German Ancestors] for the months October to December 1938.

(text ends)

* * *

It is an interesting text, no doubt about it - if it is genuine. The original would need to be located and extensively studied to verify authenticity.

One should bear in mind however, that even if this came from a genuine tibetan manuscript, the precision of the original German translation can only be as good as the translator. Context is everything. And one cannot even expect the original tibetan text to be without flaw. These are writings based on ancient myth, probably derived from oral tradition, so they will have as much bearing, and accuracy, as our own ancient (western) myths. Which isn't much. The Old Testament for example cannot, with any rational thought, be looked at as an accurate historical document.

The whole 'inner earth', 'inner sun', and Nibiru thing does trouble me and my current belief system. But even so, if this manuscript is authentic, it would at the very least be an entirely independent account of Atlantis, lending support to Plato's writings - and for technically sophisticated pre-Adamite civilizations, all coming from an ancient, not contemporary, source. This would strongly back up the Ancient Astronaut Theory.

[MorningFox]

Do you guys think it would be good to open a new threat for this?

Best regards
Mark

Please do! I'd be very interested in reading your translations... !

:)

[Bill Ryan]

The whole 'inner earth', 'inner sun', and Nibiru thing does trouble me and my current belief system.

Yes. It bears many hallmarks of just tagging along with and supporting conventional New Age mythology (i.e. an unimaginative hoax). I'd have expected there to have been more 'surprises', including corroboration of information that's very little known, and maybe also material that 'New Agers' might find hard to accept.

I'd still like to see a good, non-automated translation, but at the moment I feel pretty sure this is yet another fake.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Being 120 feet tall would make pyramid building with monolithic blocks much simpler, but why build a pyramid no one could enter if that was true?

Were Giant humans created to build structures for Gray's?


I agree Bill, when seeing the title I thought it would offer a little knowledge for my quest.

This sounds like a paper written by college students smoking pot and dropping acid.

Nothing here folks, move along...

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Rather than a contemporary fraud, another possibility could be Nazi propaganda dating to the 30s or early 40s to further their agenda, as in some kind of SS indoctrination or briefing to glorify the Aryan master race.

[Mecklenburger]

I am new to Project Avalon, and the initial reason I had for applying to join was to add fresh information regarding the pilotage chart of Neuschwabenland declassified by the Russian Federation.

As has been previously suggested, the important first step is to establish the provenance of the map and material and its authenticity.

A number of criticisms of the German orthography have been made and appear to have been sufficient to satisfy many readers that the chart is fraudulent, or is Nazi propaganda, and so I have looked at that as well.

The Russian journalist Nikolai Subbotin was given access to the archives of the Russian Federation for the purpose which I mentioned in the second paragraph above. He then produced a 14-minute long documentary spoken in Russian with German sub-titles. For the sake of thoroughness I noted down these German sub-titles, and produce later the English translation of what he said.

Strangely, Subbotin does not speak or even read German. He is interested solely in the origins of the map. However, he did draw attention to a very significant item on the map, and missed the sense of a draft SS memorandum, both of which taken together convince me beyond any doubt that the Russians are prepared to reveal the truth about Neuschwabenland as part and parcel of their new political doctrine of Eurasianism, and that the thing is far greater than ever previously realized.

Any number of sites have the material obtained by entering in Yahoo Search "Nazi maps declassified by KGB confirm existence..." Not many of these show both the hemispherical maps, namely "Asgard" and "Liberia", the second one can be viewed at:

http://humansarefree.com/2015/07/nazi-maps-and-documents-to-agartha.html

Subbotin's commentary can be called up by entering in Yahoo Search:

Neuschwabenland - Russland gibt geheime KGB Archive frei


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNV_qRGHZI

My second posting on this subject follows.

[Mecklenburger]

2nd Posting

Nikolai Subbotin first shows the boxes from the Russian archives in which a number of these maps were stored. He states that the material was captured by SMERSH operatives in Germany on 12 March 1945.

The side of each map is about 3 feet long and printed on heavy duty paper. At the bottom right it states that the map was produced in 1500 copies at Dachau concentration camp by a special task force in January 1944.

This does not necessarily mean that prisoners worked on it: these camps were very secure places from the point of view of security, and the fact that nobody ever came forward to talk about this material tells its own story.

Subbotin glosses over the section at the top left since he does not read German.

Kommandosache:
Top secret. This classification is reinforced at the bottom right: "After return from operation hand in to the Secret Division. If danger arises, this is to be destroyed first!

Next down comes: "Nur für Kapitäne von U-Booten der A-Klasse des Sonderkonvois des Führers".
The usual term for a U-boat commander is Befehlshaber. The "captain" of a U-boat might have charge of a small non-offensive submarine and since there is no indication anywhere as to what an "A-Class U-boat" is, one must keep an open mind that these U-boats might be of any size. More on that later. The term "Führer's Special Convoy" would indicate a flotilla built for this particular purpose and kept under his own aegis.

Below the eagle and swastika comes: "U-Bootflotte der kriegsmarine des Deutschen Reichs".
The apparent errors here were seized upon earlier. The word "kriegsmarine" is a noun and should be written as "Kriegsmarine": I notice that on the official stamp at the bottom right of the map it is spelled correctly, and so the compiler of the chart made a copying error which was overlooked by the checker if there was one.

It was also claimed that since the word "Deutschen" in "Deutschen Reichs" above is an adjective it should have been written with a small "d". In the Hitler period "Deutsches Reich" was another name for the country in the same sense as "United States" or "Great Britain": and in neither case here are these "adjectives" ever written as "united" or "great".

Below that comes the unnecessary "Karte für das Passieren der Meerestiefen" - Chart for Passing Through the Depths of the Sea - and the warning that "Nur beim Manövrieren verwenden" - only to be used on the manoeuvre.

Below that comes the real indication of the chart's purpose: "Anweisung zum Passieren von Räumen und Korridoren zur Fahrt nach Agartha."
Instruction for passing the Underwater Spaces and Corridors on the Voyage to Agharta.

Finally the instruction "Abtauchen am Punkt mit den Koordinaten: Exacter Schnittpunkt 68ºS 1ªE auf eine Tiefe von 400 Metern."
"Submerge to 400 metres at the exact point where the coordinates of 68ºS and 1ºE cross". This position would be obtained by taking a bearing from three radio beacons.

There now follows a list of nine strict instructions for trimming and steering the U-boat on its long submerged voyage to Agartha. The final instruction is the one which interests us most at this point.
"Fahrt nach Agartha. Volle Fahrt. Fahrt geradeaus bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird. Änderung der Magnetpole. Die Bewegungen der Kompassnadeln und Messgeräte sind zu vernachlässigen!"
"Voyage to Agartha. Full speed ahead until one makes out the new light. Change in magnetic pole. Ignore the movements of the compass needles and measuring instruments!"

And finally: ("Weitere Anweisungen im Paket No.3. Erst beim Eintritt in Agartha öffnen!")
(Further instructions in Packet No 3. Do not open until inside Agharta!")

Who draws up a pilotage chart? A pilot. The fastidious author of this work of art had his orders and the latitude to design a chart to fit the circumstances of his great experience in Antarctica and he made sure there was no mistaking what this chart was for and its importance in the scheme of things.

In Part 3: Subbotin's Commentary.

[Mecklenburger]

Posting 3

Subbotin reports that only 20% to 30% of the material associated with the map has been declassified to date.

In this first section of his discourse (about one third of it) he misunderstands a technical operation in U-boat warfare, but through his assumption he unwittingly permits us to draw a conclusion about the kind of U-boats used by the German Navy to pass through the sub-glacial world of Antarctica. (My comments are in bold type for clarity.)

SUBBOTIN: (Opens the Neuschwabenland chart and spreads it out before him on the table). "This is the famous pilotage instruction with the help of which the U-boat people allegedly ran below the glacial regions of Antarctica. Their maximum depth was 500 metres, and the distance covered about 500 kilometres. Their purpose, on Hitler's instructions, was apparently to make a start building the so-called Neuschwabenland.

"This document is referred to very frequently in the Internet in connection with the Hollow Earth theory, also called 'Asgard'. That is not something I will be addressing, for as a journalist I am interested primarily in analyzing this document for veracity and authenticity.

"Now when we look at the technical details of the German U-boats of the Second World War, we see that their maximum depth was between 250 and 300 metres. Technical specialists in submarine construction have assured me however that greater depths are possible. The special U-boats for Hitler's flotilla might have been 'milk cows'. These were very large U-boats for replenishing submarines on the high seas. Like many modern submarines they had a double hull.

"We have information from the documentation in our possession that the space between the pressure hull and outer walls of these special A-Class U-boats was filled with ethanol...it seems it might be possible to have a hydro-isolation system using ethanol between the two walls to reinforce the resistance of these U-boats against crushing. The documents state that the entire potato harvest in the districts around Berlin and other areas was compulsory-purchased in order to produce ethanol....but to be perfectly honest I simply cannot imagine how the Germans could pass through the internal corridors under the ice with boats as big as that."

Here Subbotin thought mistakenly that two different answers related to the same question. First, the only known way to increase the crush depth of a submarine is to use armour plate for the hull. There was a project for a Type VIIc42 boat with armour plate up to 28 mm as the hull material which would provide a maximum safe depth of 330 metres and a crush depth of 500 metres. 164 were planned but none completed and in November 1943 all pending orders were allegedly cancelled to free up yard space. Whatever size large or small Hitler's Antarctic boats were built, the hull had to have armour plating to withstand water pressure at depth.

The documents regarding the Neuschwabenland boats confirm a double hull filled with ethanol. I agree with Subbotin that a conventional U-boat was too big for sub-glacial navigation. Therefore the boat was probably a modified Seehund able to carry two crew, captain and engineer, and two passengers plus a liquid cargo.
Since the uninterrupted distance submerged (over 500 kms) was too far for electric batteries, the probability is that a Walter closed cycle system was installed so that the surface diesels ran on stored oxygen. This would have provided great endurance at moderate speed to a small submarine such as the Seehund, and therefore the boats with ethanol aboard would probably have been delivering it in quantities to the U-boat base in Agartha.
Was ethanol being used as a fuel in 1944?

Posting Four to follow: How Subbotin realized that the chart was genuine.

[Mecklenburger]

Posting Four:

Subbotin went on: "Let us remember what the Soviet Navy did directly after the end of the Second World War - the USSR occupied that area of the Antarctic which is a Russian base known today as Novolasarevskaya. It was precisely there, between 1941 and 1945 that the Germans had set up a base or station responsible for founding so-called Neuschwabenland. What our people found there I do not know.

"The entire methodology as to how the U-boats got under the ice is described in the document, and also all the various longitudinal inclinations and angles which were required along each section of the route in order to get through.

"Now an interesting coincidence which we discovered during our analysis of the chart was that after a certain long distance had been navigated below the ice the U-boat came to a vast cavern 4 kilometres below the ice shield where the boat could surface. This cavern is relatively large and is very similar in structure and size to what we call Vostok Lake.

"There is a geomagnetic anomaly along one end of Vostok Lake of which the Germans were aware, for they mentioned it in the pilotage instructions, and our Russian scientists always admit the anomaly but are not prepared to say anything about it."

In the chart of 1944 the German pilot described this lake, which the Russians say is similar in size to Lake Vostok, and so is about 286 sea miles long. The lake also has a magnetic anomaly. Therefore we may say with confidence that the underground lake shown on the 1944 Neuschwabenland map, and Lake Vostok, are one and the same.

According to non-Russian scientists the anomaly covers an area of 65 x 46 square miles which suggests that the Earth's crust is thinner there. Australian geologist Harry Mason stated: "The sheer size and intensity of the magnetic anomaly suggests a large ultrabase component under this section of Lake Vostok on the old surface prior to the ice formation."

Now German U-boats had navigated through to this lake in 1944, yet its existence was only first suggested by Russian geographer Andrei Kapitsa based on seismic soundings made during the Soviet Antarctic Expedition of 1959 and 1964 to measure the thickness of the ice-sheet. It was not until 1993 that combined research by Russian and British scientists finally confirmed the existence of the lake using ERS-1 laser altimetry.

In my opinion, this fact is conclusive that the pilotage chart is accurate and authentic.

In Posting 5, the final episode, Subbotin provides some more interesting information but overlooks a piece of compelling evidence with which to conclude.

[Mecklenburger]

Posting Five:

Subbotin continued: "Additionally we see here some interesting figures which we puzzled over for a long while uncertain of their meaning until the oceanographer of renown Anatoli Tavitsheski opened our eyes to the fact that they are simply tidal values which show the daily ebb and flood. Each U-boat would have had quite a few of these charts on board because they give the data for every month. That is to say, if the captain did not have these tidal values, it would hardly have been possible for him to navigate the boat through.

"This whole fascination the Germans had for the Antarctic, with Neuschwabenland and the Hollow Earth, came about fairly spontaneously and suddenly in 1939 right after the famous expedition of Ernst Schäfer to Tibet which the Ahnenerbe was anxious to investigate in order to find traces of the Aryan race there. Therefore immediately after the expedition got back to Germany and Schäfer was promoted to SS-Sturmbannführer and made one of the heads of the Ahnenerbe, the Germans were suddenly afire with the idea of researching the Antarctic. It is not clear what they found out in Tibet, but by 1941-1942 they had precise information about what was under the ground. Of course, this information about the Hollow Earth is naturally absolutely absurd and untenable from the point of view of modern geology and physics and its assumptions regarding the inner structure of the planet."

There is a draft in longhand for typing up which conveys the "Order of the Reichsführer-SS No.1330 of 27 May 1940 for units of the SS, Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine, strictly secret and only for authorized persons" and which reads: "In compliance with the order of the Führer of 10 January 1940 regarding the selection of volunteers to take part in the settlement of subterranean areas of the Antarctic, some difficulties have arisen in connection therewith since the volunteers decline to go at the last moment when told that they will be leaving the Reich, their relatives and next of kin for ever. In this connection the choice of volunteers must only be made from the ranks of those persons whose parents are deceased and who are not burdened with close family ties. The procedure for selection is to be simplified and no conversations are to ensue...."

In the oriental tradition of Agartha and Shamballah, once the applicant is accepted there is no return to the world. This is obviously what was being offered to the successful volunteers from the German Reich. For this reason we have no knowledge for certain of what awaited the men aboard those U-boats once they had "seen the new light" and passed through the magnetic anomaly and reached the "Nazi U-boat base" off the coast of Neu Schwabenland in Asgard, but one believes it is the opportunity "in the Pure Land" for more than one great step up in the development of the spiritual character and psyche, to become a Super-man or Super-woman, a member of the Herrenvolk in the truest sense of the word, without having to die first.

Finally, if the charts were in Packet No.1, and Packet No.3 was not to be opened until the boat was inside Agartha, what was in Packet No.2? The sub-glacial route to Agartha cannot be found on the basis of the chart alone because it contains no compass bearings to steer.

THE END

[Daozen]

Impressive contributions, Mecklenburger. That'll take everyone a while to dig through. I'm not 100% sure what I think about the documents, but I lean 80% towards them being real, or at the very least a "true hoax". Nazi interest in the occult and Tibet... and the subject of the subterranean world in general, is an endlessly fascinating topic.

[Mecklenburger]

Posting Six (Footnote)

I refer to Posting 3 above in which I suggested that the U-boats likely to have been used by the Kriegsmarine to pass through the sub-glacial corridors below Antarctica would have been Seehund class midget submarines. Because of the 500-km voyage involved, a closed cycle engine would have been indispensable.

Hitler had agreed to the development of the Seehund type U-boats on 18 January 1944, the same month as when the Neuschwabenland charts were being drawn up at Dachau.

At a conference chaired by Vize-admiral Heye on 21 May 1944, Kurzak, the Kriegsmarine representative for closed-cycle propulsion at Germaniawerft shipyard Kiel, proposed a system with a 95 hp boat's diesel running off 1250 litres of oxygen stored in the keel at 4 atmospheres pressure.

Although capable of 11 knots, this unit would have managed the 500 km stretch always submerged at 3 knots. On the basis of these figures Kurzak was authorized to develop the engine already fitted experimentally to the variant Klein-Uboot K.

Source: www.one35th.com/seehund/sh-history.htm.

[justalight]

http://i.4cdn.org/x/1472335931014.jpg

It's all in German, but apparently contains directions for accessing subterranean realms. Submarines and grottoes were mentioned.

Here's a Piratepad, should anyone wish to contribute anonymously. It needs no sign up.:

http://piratepad.net/OmQArx4F6g

Breaking news: The pad has been updated by a mysterious insider, who shall remain nameless for now.


The Naval Forces of the German Reiche

Map Through the passage of the Deep Sea

Only Use for Manouvers

Instructions to clearly pass through corridors to drive to Agartha
descend on point with the coordinates: exact point: 68* Southern Wide and 1* Eastern on a depth of 400 meters.

The instructions must be strictly followed !

Best quality image of the documents here:
http://silakrima.com/?q=node/516

GERMAN ORIGINAL

Geheime Kommandosache !

Nur für Kapitäne von U-Booten der A-Klasse des Sonderkonvois des Führers

U-Bootflotte der Kriegsmarine des deutschen Reichs

Karte für das Passieren der Meerestiefen

Nur beim Manövrieren verwenden !

Anweisung zum Passieren von Räumen und Korridoren zur Fahrt nach Agartha

Abtauchen an Punkt mit den Koordinaten: Exakter Schnittpunkt: 68° (55? 66?) südlicher Breite und 1° östlicher Länge, auf eine Tiefe von 400 Metern.


Der Anweisung ist strikt zu folgen !

1. Abtauchen. Vom Punkt des Abtauchens mit halber Fahrt, einer Steuerbord-Schräglage von 10° mit einer Zuglastigkeit, Neigungswinkel 5°. Entfernung 188 sm. Vorgegebene Tiefe – 500 Meter. (Aufgrund des Fahrens im Korridor ist der Druck auf den Schiffskörper beim Manövrieren ein unwesentlicher.)

2. Auftauchen. Ballast mit einer Hecktrimmung, Auftauchwinkel 23° mit einer Backbord-Schräglage von 22°. 190 Meter nach oben. Entfernung 75,5 sm.

3. Schwieriges Manöver ! Auftauchen. Ballast mit einer Hecktrimmung, Auftauchwinkel 41°. Fahrt – geradeaus. 110 Meter nach oben, Entfernung 21,5 sm. Danach Steuerbord-Schräglage von 8° bis zum Auftauchen an die Oberfläche in der Grotte. Entfernung 81 sm.

4. Fahrt an der Oberfläche innerhalb der Grotte mit einer Steurbord-Schräglage von 8°. Entfernung 286 sm.

5., 6. Schwieriges Manöver! Abtauchen. Mit einer Zuglastigkeit, Neigungswinkel 45°. Bis auf eine Tiefe von 240 Metern, Entfernung 60 sm. Danach mit einer Backbord-Schräglage von 20°, wobei das Abtauchen bis auf 310 Meter bis zur Einfahrt in den Korridor fortgesetzt wird.
Nach der Marke 310 Meter ist das Abtauchen mit einer Zuglastigkeit fortzusetzen. Abtauchwinkel 7° bis auf 360 Meter. Entfernung 70 sm. Weiter Steuerbord-Schräglage von 31° bis auf eine Tiefe von 380 Metern.

7. Abtauchen. Zuglastigkeit, Auftauchwinkel 22°. 100 Meter nach oben mit einer Backbord-Schräglage von 26°. Entfernung 43 sm.

8. Auftauchen, Hecktrimmung, Auftauchwinkel 45°, immer geradeaus, bis zum Auftauchen an die Oberfläche von Agartha. Entfernung 70 sm.

9. Fahrt nach Agartha. Volle Fahrt. Fahrt geradeaus, bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird. Änderungen der Magnetpole. Bewegungen der Kompassnadeln und Messgeräte sind zu vernachlässigen!

(Weitere Anweisungen im Paket Nr. 3. Erst bei Eintreffen in Agartha öffnen!)

Callista also kindly contributed this translation:


Secret command thing!

Only for masters of U-boats of a class of special convoys of the leader

U boat fleet of the Navy of the German Empire

Map for passing through the ocean depths

Use only when manoeuvring.

Statement to passing through rooms and corridors to the drive to Agartha

Diving at point with the coordinates: exact intersection: 68 Südlciher Brteite and 1 ° East longer, at a depth of 400 metres.



Fahrt geradeaus, bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird. Änderungen der Magnetpole. Bewegungen der Kompassnadeln und Messgeräte sind zu vernachlässigen!

-> This passage is definitely written in a kind of old German language style. A style of German language that not many people today, if ever, would use to express this

[uzn]

Fahrt geradeaus, bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird. Änderungen der Magnetpole. Bewegungen der Kompassnadeln und Messgeräte sind zu vernachlässigen!

-> This passage is definitely written in a kind of old German language style. A style of German language that not many people today, if ever, would use to express this

This is totally understandable and written very precise. These are instructions and thus witten in a kind of Telegraph-style. No old or antique german words in the sentence you picked out. If you wanted to give somebody instructions and want them to be short but precise you would today write nearly the same if not the same.

[wegge]

Fahrt geradeaus, bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird. Änderungen der Magnetpole. Bewegungen der Kompassnadeln und Messgeräte sind zu vernachlässigen!

-> This passage is definitely written in a kind of old German language style. A style of German language that not many people today, if ever, would use to express this

This is totally understandable and written very precise. These are instructions and thus witten in a kind of Telegraph-style. No old or antique german words in the sentence you picked out. If you wanted to give somebody instructions and want them to be short but precise you would today write nearly the same if not the same.

I agree with you uzn

Although one could argue, "bis das neue Licht ausgemacht wird" would today be more like "bis Sie das neue Licht sehen"