Simon Parkes update 2016-sep-04: Connecting Consciousness

[PathWalker]

Sep 04 2016 Radio Show with Simon Parkes:

Interview starts 03:30
http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/audio-archive/current//2016-09-04_CC_Simon_Parkes_QA1.mp3
Download link 29Mb: http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/audio-archive/current//2016-09-04_CC_Simon_Parkes_QA1.mp3

New and updates:
- Ater interview with Kerry Cassidy, Got police checkup that he is OK, police was warned about him.
- Assume it is about the Clinton clone, and the soul transfer tech
- Assume he is guarded and watched, while there is strong opposition
- Thanking his supporters
- The rumbling has started at the end of Aug begin of Sep

The rest are excellent spiritual Q&A with Simon,
Highly suggested listening.

[Chester]

Pathwalker, are you aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse?

If so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.

[EarthMan]

Hi PathWalker,

Thank you for your post I always find the information Simon gives very interesting.

Some posts on this site regarding the information Simon offers can come across as quite insulting towards him. I hope this thread will not go the same way.

Let’s respect everybody even if we don't agree with the information they offer.

[BMJ]

Hi Sam Hunter and Greybeard there is a specific thread "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" for people whom want to endless criticise Simon Parkes if you wish to do take your issues then go and express them there.

And yet again thank you again for reiterating yet again your thoughts on Simon Parkes.

[greybeard]

Hi PathWalker,

Thank you for your post I always find the information Simon gives very interesting.

Some posts on this site regarding the information Simon offers can come across as quite insulting towards him. I hope this thread will not go the same way.

Let’s respect everybody even if we don't agree with the information they offer.

With respect it was not so much the information that Simon gave but his treatment of some members who went to him for help.
Perhaps you could check and see what Bill Ryan said about him on that particular thread.

Being insulting is one thing, What Simon was said to have done and that is first hand from the OP of that particular thread, is far short of any standard required for therapy.
Perhaps some one could post a link to that thread and in particular Bill's post.

Chris

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Hi Sam Hunter and Greybeard there is a specific thread "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" for people whom want to endless criticise Simon Parkes if you wish to do take your issues then go and express them there.

And yet again thank you again for reiterating yet again your thoughts on Simon Parkes.

I had not even posted or thanked anyone on this thread before you mentioned my name.
I was not going to thank anyone or enter into anything on this thread as I have the greatest respect for Pathwalker who was of great assistance to me in the past.
Chris

[Citizen No2]

Everybody is free to listen to whomever they choose. That's the beauty of choice.

Should you decide to listen to a liar, plagiarist, fantasist and manipulator then that is your choice too.

But............ But, when the sh*te comes down the pipe, do not complain of the smell.


Regards.

[Chester]

Hi Sam Hunter and Greybeard there is a specific thread "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" for people whom want to endless criticise Simon Parkes if you wish to do take your issues then go and express them there.

And yet again thank you again for reiterating yet again your thoughts on Simon Parkes.

My issue was not directly with Simon Parkes. My issue is with fellow members of the same "alternative community..." - a community that has no apparatus in place for protecting the vulnerable when, in extreme cases (this being by far the most extreme), perhaps we might consider how our individual roles impact the vulnerable.

If you knew (like I do) folks who have been directly hurt by this man and were a caring member of this community, you might understand there is no mechanism that does this other than ourselves.

If Simon did the right thing and stepped aside while pursuing some serious counseling and then returned and thereafter demonstrated the integrity equal to his exposure in the community, I would be the first to support him and would be defending him for doing the right thing.

[RunningDeer]

Perhaps some one could post a link to that thread and in particular Bill's post.
Chris
Alberto e Daniela's Thread: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999)

These are most of Bill’s posts from the thread:


Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048044&viewfull=1#post1048044)

Post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048222&viewfull=1#post1048222)

Post #79 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1074679&viewfull=1#post1074679)

Post #90 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1076001&viewfull=1#post1076001)

Post #148 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #242 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)

Post #256 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084425&viewfull=1#post1084425)
Post #258 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084431&viewfull=1#post1084431)
Post #274 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085739&viewfull=1#post1085739)
Post #278 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085757&viewfull=1#post1085757)
Post #292 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085898&viewfull=1#post1085898)
Post #295 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085987&viewfull=1#post1085987)
Post #317 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1086174&viewfull=1#post1086174)

[Spellbound]

Perhaps some one could post a link to that thread and in particular Bill's post.
Chris
Alberto e Daniela's Thread: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999)

These are most of Bill’s posts from the thread:


Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048044&viewfull=1#post1048044)

Post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048222&viewfull=1#post1048222)

Post #79 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1074679&viewfull=1#post1074679)

Post # 90 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1076001&viewfull=1#post1076001)

Post #148 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #242 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)

Post #256 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)


Wow!! I've often wondered what Bill's impression of Simon was. That answers that.

Dave - Toronto

[onawah]

I think it would be very helpful if we could keep the threads about Simon separate according to whether the subject is about whistleblower information, or about counseling.
However dismally Simon may (or may not) have failed as a therapist, he is also still a whistleblower, and it appears that a lot of people who are just waking up are benefiting from the information that he shares.
It may not all be accurate, but that isn't at all unusual in whistleblowers, as we have seen over the years.
The important thing is that there continue to be whistleblowers, and that they have places like this forum where we can examine what they offer and come to our own conclusions without being attacked with judgements, bullying, sarcasm, etc.
Avalon is one of the few places where people can find such information, and where some semblance of civility and abiding by rules is maintained enough so that newcomers and observers are not put off by divisiveness.
That is worthy of safe guarding, in my opinion, and I have been an active member here since 2010 and have seen a lot of high and low points on this forum, which I think has a lot to do with how respectful members are of each other and of the general ground rules.

[Shannon]

I think it would be very helpful if we could keep the threads about Simon separate according to whether the subject is about whistleblower information, or about counseling.
However dismally Simon may (or may not) have failed as a therapist, he is also still a whistleblower, and it appears that a lot of people who are just waking up are benefiting from the information that he shares.
It may not all be accurate, but that isn't at all unusual in whistleblowers, as we have seen over the years.
The important thing is that there continue to be whistleblowers, and that they have places like this forum where we can examine what they offer and come to our own conclusions without being attacked with judgements, bullying, sarcasm, etc.
Avalon is one of the few places where people can find such information, and where some semblance of civility and abiding by rules is maintained enough so that newcomers and observers are not put off by divisiveness.
That is worthy of safe guarding, in my opinion, and I have been an active member here since 2010 and have seen a lot of high and low points on this forum, which I think has a lot to do with how respectful members are of each other and of the general ground rules.

He may be a whistleblower to you, but he is not one to me.

What did he blow the whistle on anyway ?

[onawah]

And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

[Shannon]

And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

I'm allowed to have an opinion, onawah.

Maybe you can answer the same question sam posed to pathwalker...but let me edit it...

onawah, you are aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse.

so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.

[Andre]

My issue was not directly with Simon Parkes. My issue is with fellow members of the same "alternative community..." - a community that has no apparatus in place for protecting the vulnerable when, in extreme cases (this being by far the most extreme), perhaps we might consider how our individual roles impact the vulnerable.

If you knew (like I do) folks who have been directly hurt by this man and were a caring member of this community, you might understand there is no mechanism that does this other than ourselves.

If Simon did the right thing and stepped aside while pursuing some serious counseling and then returned and thereafter demonstrated the integrity equal to his exposure in the community, I would be the first to support him and would be defending him for doing the right thing.

Sam, please take your criticisms of Simon to the correct thread that has extensively covered the issues you raise. There are a lot of us here who are interested in what Simon has to say. Thanks.

[onawah]

Everyone has an opinion, Shannon, it's how they are expressed that often makes all the difference.
IF you really want to know my opinions, there are numerous posts from me on the other threads where this debate has been ongoing for weeks now.
I got very tired of expressing my opinion there and being ignored for the most part.
And I have no intention of being drawn into it once again. As far as I am concerned, it's gotten very old, and I'm amazed that it is still ongoing.



And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

I'm allowed to have an opinion, onawah.

Maybe you can answer the same question sam posed to pathwalker...but let me edit it...

onawah, you are aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse.

so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.

[Shannon]

Everyone has an opinion, Shannon, it's how they are expressed that often makes all the difference.
IF you really want to know my opinions, there are numerous posts from me on the other threads where this debate has been ongoing for weeks now.
I got very tired of expressing my opinion there and being ignored for the most part.
And I have no intention of being drawn into it once again. As far as I am concerned, it's gotten very old, and I'm amazed that it is still ongoing.



And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

I'm allowed to have an opinion, onawah.

Maybe you can answer the same question sam posed to pathwalker...but let me edit it...

onawah, you are aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse.

so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.


Thing is I didn't ask for your opinion. I wanted to know how you ( or anyone )can condone his behavior.

[Andre]

And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

I'm allowed to have an opinion, onawah. Maybe you can answer the same question sam posed to pathwalker...but let me edit it...
onawah, you are aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse. so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public? I really want to know.

I completely agree with Onawah.

Shannon, your remarks sound like you have given yourself the task of attempting to censor posts relating to Simon Parkes.

May I suggest that you allow others to listen to what Simon has to say without attempting to put a lid on his interviews. If you are not interested, go to threads that interest you. It's really that simple.

Many thanks!

[RunningDeer]

IF you really want to know my opinions, there are numerous posts from me on the other threads where this debate has been ongoing for weeks now.
I got very tired of expressing my opinion there and being ignored for the most part.

onawah, to be fair here's the link to the thread you refer to - Our Experience With Simon Parkes as a contactee (split from "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" thread) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91607-Our-Experience-With-Simon-Parkes-as-a-contactee--split-from-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor-thread-)

There are sooooo many Simon threads, it’s hard to keep track. I’d be one of those that didn’t respond to your postings, only because I’ve overdosed on Simon Parkes, whistle blowers, super soldiers, contactees and those blue whatcha-ma-call-its.

:offtopic: Anyone is welcome to removed this post.

[onawah]

For that matter, I didn't ask for your opinion either, Shannon, which apparently you didn't notice.
Did I ever say I condoned Simon's behavior?
I am not going to repeat myself--everything I've written on the subject is in those discussions from weeks ago.
I see absolutely no point at all in hashing it all over again.
And it's not really about Simon, it's about how we conduct ourselves on this forum.
The request in my post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93125-Simon-Parkes-update-2016-sep-04-Connecting-Consciousness&p=1096239&viewfull=1#post1096239was was clear enough, and I see no point in repeating that either.
From a Mod, especially, I would think it would be honored, inasmuch as it is in accordance with the rules of this forum, as I have understood them.



Everyone has an opinion, Shannon, it's how they are expressed that often makes all the difference.
IF you really want to know my opinions, there are numerous posts from me on the other threads where this debate has been ongoing for weeks now.
I got very tired of expressing my opinion there and being ignored for the most part.
And I have no intention of being drawn into it once again. As far as I am concerned, it's gotten very old, and I'm amazed that it is still ongoing.



And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

I'm allowed to have an opinion, onawah.

Maybe you can answer the same question sam posed to pathwalker...but let me edit it...

onawah, you are aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse.

so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.


Thing is I didn't ask for your opinion. I wanted to know how you ( or anyone )can condone his behavior.

[Chester]

And that's exactly what I'm talking about, from a Mod no less.

I'm allowed to have an opinion, onawah. Maybe you can answer the same question sam posed to pathwalker...but let me edit it...
onawah, you are aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse. so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public? I really want to know.

I completely agree with Onawah.

Shannon, your remarks sound like you have given yourself the task of attempting to censor posts relating to Simon Parkes.

May I suggest that you allow others to listen to what Simon has to say without attempting to put a lid on his interviews. If you are not interested, go to threads that interest you. It's really that simple.

Many thanks!



Sam, please take your criticisms of Simon to the correct thread that has extensively covered the issues you raise. There are a lot of us here who are interested in what Simon has to say. Thanks.

People can go to Youtube and search Simon Parkes and listen to whatever they want.

Just like people can call on the community to support what essentially is no different than an intervention for a drug/alcohol abuser. Drug/alcohol abusers harm others, harm those who are vulnerable.

This is what my posts and posts of others is about. It's not about listening to Simon Parkes. It's a message to those who continue to promote Simon Parkes when Simon has yet to take responsibility for his behaviors... behaviors which have been blatantly harmful to many and in forms far more than simply blowing off clients and suggests the likelihood he has not dealt with his own issues which are foundational to these behaviors. It's about stopping the grand standing so the vulnerable don't end up like so many over the last few years. Many who he mined from sites like this by the way.

And threads like this raise the odds he mines successfully.

How do so many of you not get this? Is it an ego thing because of prior support where folks can't admit they may have made an error in their prior support so they have to keep on doing it despite the obvious?

Let me try this one... Why would someone promote someone else who has spiritual messages to deliver? Probably because they think these spiritual messages would be helpful for others and perhaps we would all end up sharing a better world.

Well, it works the other way too. Promoting someone who mines the very community for the vulnerable for personal exploitation under the guise of "soul readings" which, in some cases, has caused great harm to these vulnerable should stop. No? It surely doesn't make the world a better place or does it?

When are folks going to start considering the reputation of this community? When are folks going to start considering the importance of the reputation of the forum you are a member of? When will it become clear that not everyone that comes to this site has been around the block enough in life to smell a rat?... is in the best position to protect themselves? Do you promote day care facilities run by priests of a well known religion I won't name but most readers have a good idea as to what I am referring to? Do we need the Boston Globe to blow it all wide open for folks around here to get a clue?

[Andre]

People can go to Youtube and search Simon Parkes and listen to whatever they want...










Sam, thanks for your analogies of drug pushers and the vulnerable which I found quite meaningless. You obviously feel strongly that Avalon is no place for Simon but unfortunately, there are lots of us who still believe Simon is extremely well connected and has something to contribute.

I did analyse extensively the other threads on Simon's behavior and I must say I had a really difficult time finding much in the way of factual information when tracking back to the source. I was shocked at how many of the posts took the accusations and twisted them into personal attacks. I wasn't completely convinced that Simon was blameless and I was left with several questions but I simply do not take the fanatical position that he has no place on Avalon.

[Daozen]

Andre,

Aren't the pro-Parkes camp equally trying to silence dissenting voices?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93125-Simon-Parkes-update-2016-sep-04-Connecting-Consciousness&p=1096251&viewfull=1#post1096251

What reputation are you talking about? How would this forum look if we let it slide? It looks to me like a good 80 percent of people agree that Simon is a danger to himself and others. So please stop trying to paint Sam as the lone dissenting voice. It's disingenuous. Turn it the other way, how many Parkes supporters can you count here? Five?

It's free speech all round. Simon's free to post. Pathwalker's free to start a thread. Sam's free to question him. The Parkes camp are free to guilt trip and cry-bully. It's not like we didn't try and do this the easy way. Simon was asked to stand down honourably, and he didn't. So it looks like this'll continue.

As I said in the Keshe thread, you are all free to start a mailing list, or a private Avalon group "Friends of Simon Parkes." No-one's stopping you.

This is the first time in human history that we've had free speech. I guess it'll take some getting used to.

[Woody]

Why can't Simons groupies take his nonsense somewhere else?

Sorry guys but enough is enough.

Regards,
Woody

[Andre]

Why can't Simon's groupies take his nonsense somewhere else? Sorry guys but enough is enough.
Regards,
Woody

Equally, why can't the Avalon censorship team take their nonsense elsewhere!

[Daozen]

... unfortunately, there are lots of us who still believe Simon is extremely well connected and has something to contribute.


We could put it to a vote. You think Simon is honest and has a lot to offer. Others don't. The fairest way to gauge the opinion of the forum is to hold an open vote:

"Do you think Simon Parkes is honest, and has a lot to offer?"

Simple, fair, accurate. The vote will not count towards any action. It'll just let fence sitters express themselves.

[Andre]

Andre, aren't the pro-Parkes camp equally trying to silence dissenting voices?

I can't speak for the "pro-Parkes camp" whatever that is, but yes you may be right. Perhaps I shouldn't have suggested that those who feel a strong need to spit on Simon take their venom to the other thread. As you suggest, we're all free to say what we like, even if it is nothing more than a personal attack. So, here we are, the "don't listen to a word Simon says" camp and the "I like some of the things Simon has to say" camp.

[Daozen]

Andre, aren't the pro-Parkes camp equally trying to silence dissenting voices?

I can't speak for the "pro-Parkes camp" whatever that is, but yes you may be right. Perhaps I shouldn't have suggested that those who feel a strong need to spit on Simon take their venom to the other thread. As you suggest, we're all free to say what we like, even if it is nothing more than a personal attack. So, here we are, the "don't listen to a word Simon says" camp and the "I like some of the things Simon has to say" camp.

Yes, here we are. A vote can let people make their voice heard freely. It will at least let people know who the majority and the minorty are. If you don't start a poll, maybe I will. I'll try to be as neutral as possible.

[greybeard]

Why can't Simon's groupies take his nonsense somewhere else? Sorry guys but enough is enough.
Regards,
Woody

Equally, why can't the Avalon censorship team take their nonsense elsewhere!

Oh Wow!!!
Are you including the founder of Avalon, Bill Ryan in this comment?
Bill was stronger in his comments than any other---and he had evidence given in private re a taped counseling session.
Look at the links provided by Paula with an open mind and see if they alter your opinion.

Chris

[PathWalker]

My response to this controversy is simple.

No one addressed the information or subjects addressed by Simon Parkes answers.
I care more about the information delivered by Simon and others.

I post information that I find valuable for people spiritual growth (especially guests).
We have a long list of failed therapist/councillor, yet the information they bring is valuable for awakening and spiritual growth.

As always some of the information is correct and some disinfo that is the nature of this domain.
Valuable information is coming from both polarities (sts + sto). It is our responsibility and duty to discern.

I find great spiritual value and learning with the Q&A part of Simon's show, many times I agree with his answers (not all). I also learn allot from the questions them selves.

[BMJ]

Being insulting is one thing, What Simon was said to have done and that is first hand from the OP of that particular thread, is far short of any standard required for therapy.
Perhaps some one could post a link to that thread and in particular Bill's post.Chris

Preemptive action, I knew both you Greybeard and Sam Hunter would yet again start banging on about Simon Parkes as counselor as soon as you saw a new thread.

As I said before there is a specific thread about people having issues with Simon Parkes, confine your issues there and allow the individuals in this communty to make their own judgement about the worth of his information.

If you have issue with his material make your suggestion to the moderation team and allow them to enact a solution.

[giovonni]

My response to this controversy is simple.

No one addressed the information or subjects addressed by Simon Parkes answers.
I care more about the information delivered by Simon and others.

I post information that I find valuable for people spiritual growth (especially guests).
We have a long list of failed therapist/councillor, yet the information they bring is valuable for awakening and spiritual growth.

As always some of the information is correct and some disinfo that is the nature of this domain.
Valuable information is coming from both polarities (sts + sto). It is our responsibility and duty to discern.

I find great spiritual value and learning with the Q&A part of Simon's show, many times I agree with his answers (not all). I also learn allot from the questions them selves.

So glad someone still remembers what it (the forum) is all about ...

It is still a private forum, and if Mr Ryan wants to scrub Simon from it - So be it.

Let him be the one to do it.

[BMJ]

Pathwalker, are you aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse?

If so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.

Yet again another completely off topic comment. If you have any issues about the material air your grievances with the moderation team or post on the appropiate thread.

You may or may not realise it, but your actions are detrimental to Project Avalon because it could deter potential whistleblowers from coming forward if they have a less than perfect past.

I have made my point and am done with this matter and will not engage in a slanging match with Greybeard or Sam Hunter.

[BMJ]

My response to this controversy is simple.

No one addressed the information or subjects addressed by Simon Parkes answers.
I care more about the information delivered by Simon and others.

I post information that I find valuable for people spiritual growth (especially guests).
We have a long list of failed therapist/councillor, yet the information they bring is valuable for awakening and spiritual growth.

As always some of the information is correct and some disinfo that is the nature of this domain.
Valuable information is coming from both polarities (sts + sto). It is our responsibility and duty to discern.

I find great spiritual value and learning with the Q&A part of Simon's show, many times I agree with his answers (not all). I also learn allot from the questions them selves.

So glad someone still remembers what it (the forum) is all about ...

It is still a private forum, and if Mr Ryan wants to scrub Simon from it - So be it.

Let him be the one to do it.

Yes I agree whole heartedly, back to topic.

[BMJ]

On topic:

33 minute mark, Simon offers an explanation as for the reason why people are seeing a bleed threw from another reality as I and my best friend have for the last 4 years. It is a indication that person is psychic / spiritual and the physcially body is seeking acension but consciousness has not caught up yet, interesting.

35.00 minute mark mentions the witching hour is 2.30am which is something I knew from my experiences, it seems to be from 2.30am to 4.00am usually.

1hour 49minute mark mentions that people whom have deep fear of wasps but do like bees is an indication that they have been abducted by greys or mantids although this does not indicate if the abduction was positive or negative.
Within the last two weeks I found out there was a wasp nest outside my best friends window although they seem harmless when I went on the roof to clean the gutters. When I told her about it she told me to get ride of it and when I pressed her as to why she stated she is scared of them and I said what about bees? She replied "I like bees because they do good things for the environment."

She also had an experience with a friend in which they both saw a cloaked UFO hovering at midday above the friends house, this happened about a year ago now. And this was just one street away from Guilford train station here in Sydney Australia.
They both said it was a strange swerling cloud that was a little smaller than the house itself and it was hovering probable about 100feet up in the air right above the house.

[greybeard]

My response to this controversy is simple.

No one addressed the information or subjects addressed by Simon Parkes answers.
I care more about the information delivered by Simon and others.

I post information that I find valuable for people spiritual growth (especially guests).
We have a long list of failed therapist/councillor, yet the information they bring is valuable for awakening and spiritual growth.

As always some of the information is correct and some disinfo that is the nature of this domain.
Valuable information is coming from both polarities (sts + sto). It is our responsibility and duty to discern.

I find great spiritual value and learning with the Q&A part of Simon's show, many times I agree with his answers (not all). I also learn allot from the questions them selves.

So glad someone still remembers what it (the forum) is all about ...

It is still a private forum, and if Mr Ryan wants to scrub Simon from it - So be it.

Let him be the one to do it.

Its only part of what the forum is about --I would not expect Bill to scrub Simon, he has made his views very clear.
However I do believe in the the freedom to express ones opinion both pro Simon and otherwise.

Chris

[BMJ]

However I do believe in the the freedom to express ones opinion both pro Simon and otherwise.

Chris

I take it you mean in the appropiate thread.

[syrwong]

Simon has an explanation for MIB. He said there are two groups of MIB. One group are very psychic humans, the other group are aliens. They came into existence in the 50s as part of an agreement of the US government with the aliens. Listen at 36:30. This is a credible explanation, better than that given by Dan Burisch, who dismissed them as CIA type agents to intimidate UFO witnesses.

[greybeard]

However I do believe in the the freedom to express ones opinion both pro Simon and otherwise.

Chris

I take it you mean in the appropiate thread.

No thats a limiting and lacking freedom attitude, its a forum after all.
The credibility of an information giver is extremely important.
Its easy to give some truth to convince a person that everything said is so.

Pro and seemingly anti Simon views were given In the thread on Simon's treatment of a couple, there were pro Simon posts rubbishing the OP--they brought it on them selves --they were disinfo agents--Simon was being set up, there seemed to be a lack of concern for those claiming hurt by Simon.etc

The forum is surely about concern for the vulnerable and many other things.

As said I had no intention originally of getting into this thread and if my name had not be brought up I would not have.

The word whistle blower has been brought up--almost as though it conferred special rights and that may be so.

I would like a definition of whistle blower.

I see that there is the belief that Simon brings important information that perhaps can not be got elsewhere.
I dont see that falls within my understanding of whistle blowing, accepting that I may be wrong in my understanding of what a whistle blower is.

When a post is quoted in a limited fashion it looses context and the original essence is lost invariably.

I dont see Simon as a reliable source of information.

When you apologize on your web site for abusing women and men then it disappears it leads me to suspect that a business is being run and public reputation is very important to cash flow.
Obviously I may be wrong as to the motives for withdrawing the apology but it is fact that It was given then no longer present on Simon's web site.

Chris

[onawah]

I believe it is the right of the OP to request of the Mod team that members who continually go off topic or are disruptive on that thread be banned from that thread.
I think that would be entirely appropriate on this thread.
I also found some interesting things that Simon talked about in the last CC show that I would like to mention, but the remarks from Daozen, Sam and Greybeard are very annoying, and I think it would be more than fair if those of us who like to discuss in peace be allowed to do so.
We can put those individuals on our Ignore list, which I have done, but when they are quoted, their remarks continue to appear on the thread.
We could also all just put them on our Ignore lists so that none of their remarks would appear as quotations, but I think the former suggestion is more in accordance with the way things have always been done on Avalon when these occasions arise.
It certainly beats mob rule.

[greybeard]

Onawah I respect your loyalty to the view point that Simon has important information--
I question the validity of the information as I find the source--Simon--to be less than accurate.
So I may be slightly off topic but I feel it my right to question the validity of source on any thread on any subject here.

Nothing is stopping you discussing the nuts and bolts of Simon's talks/videos on this thread or else where.

Best wishes
Chris

[RunningDeer]

Perhaps some one could post a link to that thread and in particular Bill's post.
Updated list of Bill's posts (not all of them):

Alberto e Daniela's Thread: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999)


Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048044&viewfull=1#post1048044)

Post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048222&viewfull=1#post1048222)

Post #79 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1074679&viewfull=1#post1074679)

Post #90 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1076001&viewfull=1#post1076001)

Post #148 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #242 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)

Post #256 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084425&viewfull=1#post1084425)

Post #258 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084431&viewfull=1#post1084431)

Post #274 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085739&viewfull=1#post1085739)

Post #278 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085757&viewfull=1#post1085757)

Post #292 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085898&viewfull=1#post1085898)

Post #295 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085987&viewfull=1#post1085987)

Post #317 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1086174&viewfull=1#post1086174)

[Pam]

I feel this very important information regarding the truthfulness of what Simon Parkes says. Sam Hunter discovered this and it is evidence that Simon was blatantly dishonest. Please look at the post and listen to the part of the youtube talk that Sam mentions. I would love to hear what advocates of Simon have to say. I have cut and pasted this directly from another thread. This is not opinion or sentiment, just facts.









Re: Our Experience With Simon Parkes as a contactee (split from "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" thread)

Quote Posted by Sam Hunter (here)
A likely example of "pure fabrication" which (if it is) is another part of his "story" meant to achieve a false representation of who he is.

Consider the talk given at the "Lifting the Veil" conference on June 22, 2013.


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1xS5ZsjOw


Just check out a three minute segment of this talk starting at 12:09.


at 13:20 Simon says the following -

“Earlier this year I had an invitation to join [the Illuminati]. And you will be surprised as I was surprised that it had an application form and my question was, why would a secret society have an application form and they said, “well in your case we think it’s very important that we know what we’re saying and you know what you’re saying.” I don’t let this form out of my sight. I brought it with me today and during break if you wish to have a look at this, I am more than happy to let you look at it, I won't allow any photographs of it.”

OK so Simon says a prominent politician invited him to join this secret order.

It just so happens that this order has been around for decades and has had an online presence for at least 7 years (at least 4 years prior to event in Leeds on June 22, 2013).

The application Simon had was most likely this very application found at this link right here -

http://theorderofthehiddenmasters.com/application.php

Nothing secret about this "order."

Easy to print the application right off the internet.

Ohhh and note that anyone that wishes to join this order must submit the completed application... Simon represents in his statement - "in your [his] case" as if he is a special exception.

[message to the vulnerable - "Don't doubt how important it is for the Illuminati to have me join their ranks."












and there's more...

The following two quotes finish at just after 15:00.

..."and so the question is, why was I invited to join the non-satanic arm of the Illuminati."

[message to the vulnerable - "could it be because "they" understand who I am (Son of Anu, special emissary for the Mantids and Draco ) and how important I am with regards to the future of the world?"]


"I wouldn't accept the Satanic arm because I am diametrically opposed to that and I didn't accept this one either."

[message to the vulnerable - "don't worry folks, I have rejected the dark side. This is an example of one rejection (among many). You can be assured of your safety with me."]


To all "researchers" - please, when a fraud is exposed...

STOP THE INTERVIEWS.

When reports to the extent that has been received by many in this community demonstrate the quite likely degree of danger to the vulnerable of this community...

STOP THE INTERVIEWS.
First of all, Sam, this is really good investigative work on your part. This is what we should all be doing when we are deciding whether someone is being honest in this area. It looks like he took a little bit of truth and wrapped it around a self glorifying scenario where he is all important. Remember the part in the video where he stated no one could take any pictures of the application. What a bunch of bunk.

What obvious manipulation. He counts on the fact that no one will really look into what he is saying. I looked up the application and the following is what he was being asked to sign up for. A course that you pay to take, yet he would have the listener believe he has been asked to join a special , exclusive illuminati organization. One where most would not have to write out an application, but he is so special, they will make an exception.


What you found hear speaks volumes, Sam!!! Excellent work. I hope you will find time in your future to continue your watch dog work, it is important and you are good at it.





This is what he would really be signing up for:

THE HIDDEN MASTERS
present
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There are many colours, shades and tints, but there is only ONE LIGHT
study the Ancient Mystery Teachings Membership is open to ALL sincere seekers, regardless of gender, age, race or religion. Each member though is expected to work HARD, over a long period of time, for their own advancement. If you are not able to devote several hours per week to your studies, meditations and spiritual exercises, or if you have difficulty in reading and writing English, it is pointless to apply for membership. Also, if you are the type who gives up easily then please turn away now.
Whilst it is permitted for students to use the Laws they learn to benefit themselves, their friends and their family in material ways, they should in return be willing to be of Service to humanity wherever possible. The Order teaches by correspondence and does NOT offer ‘group sessions’, ‘rituals’ or ‘magic spells.’ These Occult Studies are NOT suitable for thrill-seekers, mystery-mongers, or those seeking instant Initiation and Enlightenment in a few short weeks. We would also like to make it absolutely clear that this Order is not a cult in any way, shape or form. It does not coerce, brainwash or manipulate its members in ANY way. All members are entirely free to leave the Order at ANY time, without repercussions of ANY sort. Nor does the Order tell Members what they should or should not think, believe or do. Such interference is against all natural and occult laws. Once only shall we knock at your door. Search therefore your inner being, firstly to see if you are worthy, and secondly to ascertain whether you wish to be freed, so that you may enter the Holy Portals of Wisdom and Light.
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Alternatively, if you wish to learn more first, then order a copy of our introductory book, "Golden Letters". This book will show you exactly what to expect as a member of our Group. The book is a series of letters between two students and their Hidden Master from the 1980s. It shows several examples of the types of Teachings that you will be studying, and also it will show you the type of questions you might like to write to your own Hidden Master who will be appointed to you, together with the type of answers which you might expect back from him. In short it will show you how the whole procedure of membership operates - and then you can decide for yourself whether this is what you have been searching for all of your life……….

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I would absolutely love to have one of Simon's followers respond to this outright deception. How will you explain this? Is it that difficult to admit that you were wrong in your assessment of him ? Please, I would like someone to explain this away.

[Chester]

My response to this controversy is simple.

No one addressed the information or subjects addressed by Simon Parkes answers.
I care more about the information delivered by Simon and others.

I post information that I find valuable for people spiritual growth (especially guests).
We have a long list of failed therapist/councillor, yet the information they bring is valuable for awakening and spiritual growth.

As always some of the information is correct and some disinfo that is the nature of this domain.
Valuable information is coming from both polarities (sts + sto). It is our responsibility and duty to discern.

I find great spiritual value and learning with the Q&A part of Simon's show, many times I agree with his answers (not all). I also learn allot from the questions them selves.

There is a huge difference between someone who has made mistakes (even terrible ones) in their past, has acknowledged them, has removed themselves from the threat they have been to the vulnerable, has sought counseling to deal with their personal issues that are the reasons for their serial negative behaviors and then... after all that has been dealt with returns again to their role in the eye of the public.

Simon knows the trust he betrayed in how he "counseled" several vulnerable folks in one on one situations. He hinted at that in the brief statement he made (where he blamed it all on Anu - haha) and which he immediately took down (thankfully we have the screenshots) with the quote where he acknowledged his damaging behavior "to attack people and women in particular."

I remind the reader this was just two months ago. TWO MONTHS AGO. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080990&viewfull=1#post1080990)

Does anyone think Simon has resolved his serious personal issues in relation to the underlying psychological and spiritual illnesses that produced behaviors where folks who have become involved with him (one of the ways was via his selling of what he called "soul readings") have been attacked, especially women?

So I am again going to use the metaphor of an addict yet apply it to someone who serially attacks others especially women. There is something known as the "enabler."

This is precisely what folks are doing who promote Simon Parkes. Interventions do not work when family and friends are divided whereby some continue the role of enabler.

To pretend that this is a matter of free speech demonstrates what is almost as concerning as Simon's behavior and that is using some free speech argument to cover for a lack in personal responsibility we all share with regards to looking out for the vulnerable and ensuring this forum is a safe place for folks to go to for alternative views and information.

It truly blows my mind the seriousness of the matter and the fact that in all likelihood the issues finally owned up to (despite the blame deflection) have in no way been resolved are being ignored by anyone.

Stop enabling, please.

[Chester]

Why can't Simon's groupies take his nonsense somewhere else? Sorry guys but enough is enough.
Regards,
Woody

Equally, why can't the Avalon censorship team take their nonsense elsewhere!

I will take a guess. Avalon and a good portion of their membership do not wish their home to be a spawning ground for threats that are clearly dangerous to other members, readers and especially the vulnerable.

My opinion - Your attempt to characterize this as censorship is a failing attempt to avoid your own demonstration of personal responsibility to members of this community and the reputation of the Avalon forum.



Pathwalker, are you aware of the multitude of issues surrounding Simon and his "counseling" habits, routines and client abuse?

If so, how are you, with good conscience, able to continue to promote Simon to the public?

I really want to know.


You may or may not realise it, but your actions are detrimental to Project Avalon because it could deter potential whistleblowers from coming forward if they have a less than perfect past.


Again... past is past (especially if dealt with... many of us have pasts we may not be proud of) - ongoing threats are another matter entirely. This has nothing to do with whistle blowing (if anyone thinks that's what Simon (also) does).

How is this not understood?

[BMJ]

i understand that the moderation team read all posts could they please step in and take action to delete all posts that are not relevant to this thread and take action to reprimand inidividuals whom blatantly violate topic and thread policy .

[Shannon]

i understand that the moderation team read all posts could they please step in and take action to delete all posts that are not relevant to this thread and take action to reprimand inidividuals whom blatantly violate topic and thread policy .

Absolutley not. I think it nessecary to warn others just what Simon is about. He's far from some enlightened soul. He's an adult who preys on those weaker than him, exploits them and is a liar who cannot prove one thing he states. He also will never take responsibility for his shortcomings rather blame them on an ancient God who he thinks is his dad.

[Althena]

Nobody asked for my opinion either, but frankly I'm getting tired of all these Simon threads. Parkes fatigue syndrome.

[greybeard]

Simon Parks has had a good run for his money here. Many posts by his followers, mainly without opposing comment, so what changed?

Basically, here at least, a couple had the courage to go against the trend and without aggrandizing stated in plain, non emotional terms, their experiences with Simon--which promoted others to come forward with similar accounts.

Now this is an investigative forum amongst other things--some looked deeper into what Simon was saying and doing.
Not going to repeat all that was found but it was enough to discredit him as a counselor and a truthful, responsible, person, with integrity.

Those who support Simon Parks will never see that side of him no matter what evidence is shown.

Chris

[ThePythonicCow]

The moderators have concluded that the Avalon forum should no longer provide a place for threads that are supportive of Simon Parkes. Please see this thread for more details: Simon Parkes: Questions of integrity and credibility (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility).

So rather than providing support to this present Simon Parkes update 2016-sep-04: Connecting Consciousness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93125-Simon-Parkes-update-2016-sep-04-Connecting-Consciousness), by moving dissenting posts off this thread, I am instead closing this present thread.