Simon Parkes: Questions of integrity and credibility

[Sierra]

Hello Avalonians,

This is an email that Bill received from an outside party, the sender is not a member of Project Avalon. We don't usually post emails of such nature, but we felt that this one brought some much needed perspective to the situation involving Simon Parkes.

The mods and administration feel there are, and should be moral standards for how we humans treat one another, and we have a moral responsibility to uphold those standards. The following email does mention members of Avalon, and the author of the email pulls no punches. This is just an outsiders view, and although it may be harsh... it's point is clearly stated, important and something that the mods by and large agree with to a considerable degree.

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​From:
Date: Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 3:24 PM
Subject: My thoughts on Simon Parkes
To: bill@projectavalon.net


Hello Bill,

I would like to give my opinon on Simon Parkes and the situation that he finds himself in. I have read the threads created by members of the Avalon forum and simply could not sit back any longer without chiming in. I am not a member of the forum, but I do lurk quite frequently.

Firstly let me state that I absolutely feel that Simon is nothing more than a conman and preying on people who are looking for direction and to better themselves. I make zero apologies about this and I want everyone who reads this to know exactly how I feel about this man from the start of this email so they can know where this is going. I have no personal vendetta against him, and I gain absolutely nothing by writing this other than to hopefully help others make their own informed decisions.

There are a few things that really rubbed me the wrong way when reading the threads as well as sitting back and watching everything unfold. Onawah and Agate, holy mother of everything, how blind can some people be? Watching them make excuses for Simon and speak for him was beyond irritating. How two people can turn a blind eye to facts given by a founder of a forum as well as member accounts who have nothing to gain by giving their experiences with Simon, and instead keep questioning the proof and experiences over and over , is amazing and sad to me at the same time.

Onawah in-particular is really the worst. She is obvioulsy being used as a puppet to convey points and debate by someone very close to simon. Which is another very annoying point to bring up. Where is this very outspoken and cocksure enlightened speaker when things get tough? Where is Simon to speak up for himself directly? It is a weak mans path to use others as messengers to avoid accountability.

Lets be honest here folks. The alt community is a very understanding and open minded community. So much so that being so open to looking for the truth hidden in the shadows that sometimes people are blind to the truth right in front of them. Simon makes so many excuses it is uncanny. Everything from not getting emails to dark forces to now ANU being inside him using him , and a huge tower next to his house emitting waves that have confused him and made working almost impossible.

Lets cut the nonsense shall we. We have proof many many people contacted him and he ignored them. He blames his assistants, how convenient. How about that great apology he posted, that was no apology at all. "I apologize for ANU hurting you all, I personally do not apologize for anything I did". Well great. Again, how convenient. And this huge tower, how did he not see them building it? Did they just erect a huge tower next to his flat while he slept one day? And the great ANU, with all Simons powers and abilities, never noticed that there was anything going on and he was being used? But once it was brought to his attention, bam, he realized it, figured out he was around 3-6 years old when it was initiated inside him, and he has completely gotten rid of ANU and now that is that. Dont worry folks, ANU is gone, all is over, you can trust he is in control now and lets just carry on like nothing happened shall we? Convenient.

An apology that is forced by someone else exposing someone is not an apology. It is damage control. Plain and simple. Ask yourself this, if no one outted simon, would he have apologized? Of course not. Nor would he have made up this huge story about it being ANU doing it. Anu would still be on his website and life would be just the same for him.

There is nothing wrong with admitting someone you thought was real is not. I know that it stings a bit to be taken advantage of. But this is life and this is how one grows. We live and learn. Look at "Bill wood" and how vehemently another website and its founder supported him and still to this day have his videos up. Some people do not want to admit they were wrong, and got conned. Some people will argue to the grave instead of just accepting reality and moving forward and shedding the negative person.

I have watched Simons videos for over a year now on and off. Mostly out of an entertaining curiosity. But I always felt that he never was on the level. That he simply was making things up . I also, like other members here, felt he fabricated this new life of his to cover up a very hard childhood. Seriously, what are the chances that this man was chosen at a very young age, by the KING of a race, because his grandfather was possibly the most accomplished agent ever to live. If you listen to Simon tell it, his grandfather continuously won medal after medal and met every high profile person alive. And then his mother just happened to be chosen to deal with super secret materials for reasons simon never actually mentions other than they said she had the qualifications.....what? I suppose if you are going to make up a new life, may as well become royalty, as well as come from super secret impossible to prove or disprove family history.

Guys and Gals, there is a thin line between wanting to believe someone is a whistle blower, and someone who claims to be one while using many fabricated stories, impossible to disprove claims, and plagiarism.. Where are any of the medals his grandfather was awarded? How would he not have those prized possessions? Where are any photos or literally any documents from when his mother was alive to even remotely support his claims. He has nothing to lose by showing them at this point, he has come out as a man who only wants to spread truth. The best he has done to date is show a photo of a computer screen to show literally two words about his grandfather, and a computer rendering of the awards his grandfather supposedly was given. Well, hey, guess thats good enough ...

I have started to veer off topic. Let me get straight back to the point. Simon is a predator. He takes advantage of people. And people like Onawah are enablers. Making comments blaming the victim is sickening. Imagine blaming a rape victim because she went to a friends house in a time of need for comfort and then the friend took advantage of her. Insanity. This is akin to what simon is doing but on a spiritual and emotional level.

I see people claim he isnt a counselor so he shouldnt be held to any standard. I call BS. He offers to help people. He is an energy counselor. A past life counselor . A spiritual counsler. You come up with the label you deem correct on your own. He should be held accountable for his actions like everyone else. Even if it is on a personal level and not professional. He has willingly taken a role of leadership and with that comes responsibilities.

To sum this all up I will again repeat myself and say that Simon is a liar, a predator, an opportunist, and a coward for not taking personal responsibility for what he has done and for letting others speak for him and for hiding behind excuses and lies.

I have no vested interest one way or the other but my personality dictates that in some situations like this one I simply have to speak up and speak my mind. I dislike bullies and I dislike victims being stepped on and victimized a second time even more.

I may be a bit rough around the edges for some of your likings, and my opinion may come across as abrasive but I believe in being matter of fact and not dancing around something as important as this subject.

There comes a point when you stop giving someone the benefit of the doubt and look at the proof and facts and history and make a decision and take a stand one way or the other. I suggest people really think on this. Simon would have you believe you arent educated or enlightened enough to understand everything that goes on on his level and in his life and it isnt possible for you to judge him. Some of his colleagues would ask you to forgive him and give him credit as an enlightened being and think of him as the victim of assaults both verbal and physical , both by humans and aliens alike. Know that they have a vested interest in Simon being cleared and being successful. They have invested years into this man and vouched for him. They are quite biased when asking you all to forgive him.

I again call BS. You all are quite educated and know better. You just are very cordial and dont want to hurt anyones feelings or ruffle feathers.

I enjoy the luxury of not being a member of any groups or forums. I do not mind offending people as long as I truly believe in what I am speaking about. I do not go out of my way to offend people, but it is hard to take a stance against a bully without doing so.

Simon and his followers will undoubtedly assume I am some demon or negative attacker because I dont buy into his nonsense. Convenient. Instead of viewing his nay sayers as educated enlightened humans who simply dont believe him. I do not fear any reprocussions , spiritual or energetic or etc from Simon or any of his followers. I would challenge Simon to actually produce proof of even half the stories he tells. He knows what I say is the truth. I would also challenge him to actually take the time to reply directly to the people who have accused him of wrongdoings himself. With true answers, not smoke and mirrors , misdirection, and lies.

I leave you all with an honest wish for a happy future , and to protect yourselves from people like Simon. This is your own responsibility. No one else is going to always be there to show you the way. Good luck.

*"Bill you have my permission to post this in the Simon thread. If people think I am just a troll or attacker I welcome them to speak directly to me. If I see enough people wanting to contact me I will happily create an email account dedicated for this specific topic. This is a personal email account so I request that this one specifically isnt posted. "

[greybeard]

I sincerely hope that others in the alternative community think carefully and follow the lead shown by Avalon in no longer supporting Simon threads.
The management and mods are to be congratulated for the stance they have taken.
Thanks also to who ever sent the e mail above.

Chris

[RunningDeer]

If I could change one thing in the above email, I'd substitute the names with ****** and *****, and PM the original email to them.

RunningDeer ♡

[giovonni]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision -
Instead of another anonymous (e-mail person) deciding what goes on here at the forum.

[3(C)+me]

This letter would not have been posted unless the Mod's and BR agreed to it.

People need to grow up and stop giving into fantasies and authorities to tell them what is going on in the world.
Stop putting your focus on nonsense.

but if that is your choice, maybe you can find another forum to do that on.

Because at this point you are part of the problem not the solution.


I hate to say this, I do love this forum, but their is a lot of stupid going around here and I don't want to be mean to the newbies but
this really has to stop...

Their are many great teachers out there you can learn from that have done their due diligence and Bill has posted them somewhere on this forum.

(PS, don't kick off this forum please, I will be good from here on out, I promise)

[greybeard]

Think this sums up the reason for the decision.

The mods and administration feel there are, and should be moral standards for how we humans treat one another, and we have a moral responsibility to uphold those standards.

Chris

[sheme]

Only the guiltless should be permitted to cast stones - We are told. I dislike hugely the naming of Avalon members by a stranger who's email is timely and backs up someone else's belief, surely we are all doing the best we can with the truth we perceive , Is anyone here all knowing? let us all allow each other space to grow our own way without public humiliation and dissection by stranger. " Now about those moral standards" I would have thought this could be classified as sensitive and not for public view.

[ThePythonicCow]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

[giovonni]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

Lets say Paul, just hearing from Mr Ryan (directly) would of been more effective and genuine ...

IMO ... :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Only the guiltless should be permitted to cast stones - We are told.
Since none of us ordinary humans are guiltless, that would imply that none of us should be permitted to "cast stones", and since explicitly calling out people will be labeled as a "casting of stones" by their defenders, that would imply that none of us should ever call out anyone else, in the view of their defenders.

I stand in opposition to that view.

[Citizen No2]

This is a message I sent to Bill on the 19th August. I have removed a couple of sentences but changed nothing.


I was right about Simon Parkes. I knew it.

I have made contact with an ex Mil MP who was on duty the day Parkes visited Fylingdales, he was in the guard hut when the town councillors visited. The reality of what happened bears no resemblance to how Parkes reports it.

He is a very dangerous man because people invest emotional energy in what he has to say. ************************ that is the best way I can describe it, in order to take this further. That man is heading for one hell of a reality check.
**************************************************************************** (this sentence was in relation to Kerry Cassidy, although tied-in with this, a separate issue).

I think we have been lying to ourselves too. I think that we have convinced ourselves that we are so switched on that it has made us extremely vulnerable............. How does it go, give someone enough rope?

I have been privy to some other information, about 6 - 7 weeks ago, when I met a well-known researcher for a few hours when I travelled to the UK. There are others out there who are of the same opinion as most on here regarding Simon Parkes. What some people need to realise is that Simon's MO is very dangerous and causing REAL HARM.

I posted a message to Simon Parkes with the info I have about the guard hut incident at Fylingdales and so far have heard nothing. I have the former Military Policeman's name, number and photograph and heard person-to-person exactly what went on. Very mundane, very ordinary. Any of us here could have a guided tour of Fylingdales if we so wished and with a little organisation and prior notice. You can write to them here:

RAF Fylingdales
Pickering
North Yorkshire
YO18 7NT

It is a fairly common occurrence for civic leaders. There are other aspects of Simon's story, specifically what he says about his Mother, that have also been twisted, added to and re-mixed for Simon's fantasy de jeur.

His information is not even original, in fact, it's not even his. He has plagiarised a member of this very forum as well as a host of others across the internet. His predictions have amounted to nought. His assessments of geo-political situations have been proven, time and time again, to be wrong.

I know that some people are looking for hope. People must realise that WE are that hope. Not some snake-oil salesman.




Regards.

[greybeard]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

Lets say Paul, just hearing from Mr Ryan (directly) would of been more effective and genuine ...

IMO ... :)

Geo with respect Paula posted links to quite a few posts by Bill regarding Simon--Bill if anything was more vocal than most on his views and the evidence he had to back up these. Bear in mind that there was a lot of support for Simon here--I would say that he betrayed the trust that members had in him---some with personal experience of that.

Best wishes
Chris

[onawah]

Please clarify, Citizen No2 The first part of your post is in quotes and you are saying that is from you, and the second part not in quotes is also what you wrote, correct? So you and the anonymous person have written pretty much identical things about Simon and have contacted (presumably) the same ex-MP at Flyingdales, is that correct?



This is a message I sent to Bill on the 19th August. I have removed a couple of sentences but changed nothing.


I was right about Simon Parkes. I knew it.

I have made contact with an ex Mil MP who was on duty the day Parkes visited Fylingdales, he was in the guard hut when the town councillors visited. The reality of what happened bears no resemblance to how Parkes reports it.

He is a very dangerous man because people invest emotional energy in what he has to say. ************************ that is the best way I can describe it, in order to take this further. That man is heading for one hell of a reality check.
**************************************************************************** (this sentence was in relation to Kerry Cassidy, although tied-in with this, a separate issue).

I think we have been lying to ourselves too. I think that we have convinced ourselves that we are so switched on that it has made us extremely vulnerable............. How does it go, give someone enough rope?

I have been privy to some other information, about 6 - 7 weeks ago, when I met a well-known researcher for a few hours when I travelled to the UK. There are others out there who are of the same opinion as most on here regarding Simon Parkes. What some people need to realise is that Simon's MO is very dangerous and causing REAL HARM.

I posted a message to Simon Parkes with the info I have about the guard hut incident at Fylingdales and so far have heard nothing. I have the former Military Policeman's name, number and photograph and heard person-to-person exactly what went on. Very mundane, very ordinary. Any of us here could have a guided tour of Fylingdales if we so wished and with a little organisation and prior notice. You can write to them here:

RAF Fylingdales
Pickering
North Yorkshire
YO18 7NT

It is a fairly common occurrence for civic leaders. There are other aspects of Simon's story, specifically what he says about his Mother, that have also been twisted, added to and re-mixed for Simon's fantasy de jeur.

His information is not even original, in fact, it's not even his. He has plagiarised a member of this very forum as well as a host of others across the internet. His predictions have amounted to nought. His assessments of geo-political situations have been proven, time and time again, to be wrong.

I know that some people are looking for hope. People must realise that WE are that hope. Not some snake-oil salesman.

It's coming down the pipe for this man.


Regards.

[Citizen No2]

No onawah.

I wrote the message to Bill on 19th August. As far as I know, and I would say I am correct, I'm the only person to speak to this ex-military policeman. I see nothing in the new message sent to Bill about contacting the soldier on duty that day.

This message that has been sent to Bill that is the O/P, I know nothing about.

It just further proves how a lot of people are feeling. By slowly chipping away at Simon's stories, due diligence, they are starting to be exposed for what they are. Twisted facts and out-and-out lies.

That is my opinion only.

Let me make this crystal clear. I know nothing of this new message sent to Bill by a non-member or who that person is.


Hope that makes it clear.

EDIT: What do you think of all this onawah, if I may ask? I feel for the position you are in, I really do, because I have been in that position too. When I found out that I had been lied to for so long, it hurts, and made me doubt myself more than anything. It made me not trust my own judgement, which was the worst thing.

This is just what I have found out about Simon, with a little digging. It's a free choice World, and it's your choice who you listen to. That aspect, I respect.


Regards.

[Sierra]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

Lets say Paul, just hearing from Mr Ryan (directly) would of been more effective and genuine ...

IMO ... :)

Effective, genuine, right... I don't know what your problem is but I guess you missed all these posts by Mr. Ryan:


Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048044&viewfull=1#post1048044)

Post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048222&viewfull=1#post1048222)

Post #79 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1074679&viewfull=1#post1074679)

Post #90 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1076001&viewfull=1#post1076001)

Post #148 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)

Post #242 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)

Post #256 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084425&viewfull=1#post1084425)

Post #258 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084431&viewfull=1#post1084431)

Post #274 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085739&viewfull=1#post1085739)

Post #278 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085757&viewfull=1#post1085757)

Post #292 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085898&viewfull=1#post1085898)

Post #295 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085987&viewfull=1#post1085987)

Post #317 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1086174&viewfull=1#post1086174)


(Grateful thanks to RunningDeer for the list.)

The (not on the list) most effective and genuine post Mr. Ryan made, IMO :) was the post describing his reaction upon hearing a recording of Mr. Parkes screaming in rage at a client.

I may be deaf, but I can hear.

[giovonni]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

Lets say Paul, just hearing from Mr Ryan (directly) would of been more effective and genuine ...

IMO ... :)

Geo with respect Paula posted links to quite a few posts by Bill regarding Simon--Bill if anything was more vocal than most on his views and the evidence he had to back up these. Bear in mind that there was a lot of support for Simon here--I would say that he betrayed the trust that members had in him---some with personal experience of that.

Best wishes
Chris

Thanks Chris ...

Lets be real here ...

Members and Mods come and go ... But make no mistake it's all Bill Ryan's Forum.

Just a suggestion, the administration might consider a new PR position for it's team.

IMO ... :)

Oops misspelled poster's name.

[Bill Ryan]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision -
Instead of another anonymous (e-mail person) deciding what goes on here at the forum.

As you can see from the date of the e-mail (3 Sept), it was received 4 days ago. I forwarded it to the other mods, and we all discussed the issue for a further several days. We work very much as a well-aligned collective, and it's very rare for me (or anyone!) to make a unilateral decision about anything of magnitude. We're actually pretty careful about this kind of thing.

It should be noted, though, that the personal complaints of course carry far more weight. This was quite a passionate, articulate message, and on balance we thought it was well worth posting, but it was still someone's opinion.

All the other messages received (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) which I've been asked to post have been testimony.

[DNA]

Awesome post
I really enjoyed it. To the chap out there who wrote it, I lift my mug to you. Cheers! :beer:


My personal take that differs in regards to Simon.
I do not think Simon was lying about his abductions. They match so much with what Dr. Karla Turner and Barbara Bartholic talk about in terms of what was recovered using deep regression hypnotherapy in relation to folks who have been abducted by reptilian/grey/mantis types.
In my opinion this makes Simon more dangerous than an everyday con-man or common liar, because I'm afraid his, is an agenda being carried out by negative ET forces intent on broadening their net in terms of harvesting the energy of mankind.
My honest opinion for folks who have had interactions with Simon?
Native Americans here in the US have a practice when one is sick. You use your intuition to find a place where the energy of the earth is conducive with you personally. Then you build a cage out of sticks, a body size cage that lays along the ground horizontally. You get into the cage and have someone cover you well with the soil of mother earth, and you meditate, asking the earth to heal your body and energy body.
The earth absolutely has the power to heal us, physically and energetically.
Good Day to All. :happy dog: :flower:

[onawah]

In a way, I am glad that this matter has been put to rest, but I agree that the OP letter should have been for members only. However, I don't apologize for keeping an open mind about Simon or any other whistleblower who is being accused of various things, when no real tangible proof other than hearsay is being provided of serious wrongdoing.
We all know the elite are desperate to keep information that is unfavorable to them from being spread, and they will go to great lengths to obfuscate the truth and to discredit their detractors.
Just because someone is a member of Avalon doesn't mean that they are infallible, integral or omnipotent, and that certainly holds true for non-members as well.
Contrary to what so many seem to believe, I am not convinced one way or the other about Simon's story or his integrity or motives.
I've experienced a lot of "stranger than fiction" kinds of things in my own life, and as unbelievable as his story may sound to others, I think there's a chance it may be at least partly true.
I also would not surprised if it is all fabricated.
But when your mind is made up and nothing can change it, then there is isn't a lot of opportunity for real proof left to be presented, if it is ever uncovered.
As for Simon's abilities or integrity as a counselor, I have no idea.
I've heard people make both positive statements and negative statements about all kinds of licensed and unlicensed counselors, psychics, channelers, advisors, etc. etc.
It seems to me to be more about finding the right one than expecting a one size fits all, or having any expectations at all--it seems to be pretty much a crap shoot to me.
I would much rather keep my own counsel.
And that is all I have to say on that subject.

[RunningDeer]

Paula posted links to quite a few posts by Bill regarding Simon--Bill if anything was more vocal than most on his views and the evidence he had to back up these. Bear in mind that there was a lot of support for Simon here--I would say that he betrayed the trust that members had in him---some with personal experience of that.

Best wishes
Chris

Repost + link corrections

Updated list of Bill's posts (not all of them):

Alberto e Daniela's Thread: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999)

◦ Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048044&viewfull=1#post1048044)
◦ Post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048222&viewfull=1#post1048222)
◦ Post #79 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1074679&viewfull=1#post1074679)
◦ Post #90 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1076001&viewfull=1#post1076001)
◦ Post #148* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1077877&viewfull=1#post1077877)
◦ Post #196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)
◦ Post #242 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)
◦ Post #256* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084425&viewfull=1#post1084425)
◦ Post #258 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084431&viewfull=1#post1084431)
◦ Post #274* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085739&viewfull=1#post1085739)
◦ Post #278* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085757&viewfull=1#post1085757)
◦ Post #292* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085898&viewfull=1#post1085898)
◦ Post #295* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085987&viewfull=1#post1085987)
◦ Post #317 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1086174&viewfull=1#post1086174)

UPDATE: Oops, I didn't see Sierra's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096524&viewfull=1#post1096524). I couldn't copy from the closed thread, so I redid them. I found an error in a link or two. And added * to several of them.

[greybeard]

No onawah.

I wrote the message to Bill on 19th August. As far as I know, and I would say I am correct, I'm the only person to speak to this ex-military policeman. I see nothing in the new message sent to Bill about contacting the soldier on duty that day.

This message that has been sent to Bill that is the O/P, I know nothing about.

It just further proves how a lot of people are feeling. By slowly chipping away at Simon's stories, due diligence, they are starting to be exposed for what they are. Twisted facts and out-and-out lies.

That is my opinion only.

Let me make this crystal clear. I know nothing of this new message sent to Bill by a non-member or who that person is.


Hope that makes it clear.

EDIT: What do you think of all this onawah, if I may ask? I feel for the position you are in, I really do, because I have been in that position too. When I found out that I had been lied to for so long, it hurts, and made me doubt myself more than anything. It made me not trust my own judgement, which was the worst thing.

This is just what I have found out about Simon, with a little digging. It's a free choice World, and it's your choice who you listen to. That aspect, I respect.


Regards.

Onawah I agree with the sentiment expressed by Citizen no2
Even though I obviously disagreed with your view point I did not loose respect for you.
I hope that you have had your eyes opened by recent posts.

Regards and wishing you the best
Chris

[onawah]

Hi Citizen No2. Thanks for the clarification.
I really don't take any of this personally.
I don't feel like I've been victimized, and if it turns out that Simon is a pathological liar or a dangerous tool, as far as I am concerned, I helped in the process of uncovering that, and I'm glad I did.
On the other hand, if it turns out he is not a villainous liar or a tool of dark forces, then I am glad that I continued to question.
My questioning was never on his behalf, but was motivated by a desire to discover the truth.
I think it's less a question of black and white and more a question of a lot of gray areas, but I am happy to admit if I'm wrong about that too, if I see anything to convince me of that.
What's most important to me is that we are able to discover the truth.
I've had evidence presented to me that was quite convincing that Simon was actually being set up in one instance in which many here think he was guilty as sin.
Unfortunately, the person who could have presented that evidence was unwilling to take the risk out of fear of reprisal, knowing how dangerous that can be.
That was just one instance, but it was an important one.
I have never been coached by Simon or any of his friends, and I don't have any agenda in this matter, though I do have a desire to know the truth, and I hope we arrive at that someday, but I don't think we have yet.

No onawah.

I wrote the message to Bill on 19th August. As far as I know, and I would say I am correct, I'm the only person to speak to this ex-military policeman. I see nothing in the new message sent to Bill about contacting the soldier on duty that day.

This message that has been sent to Bill that is the O/P, I know nothing about.

It just further proves how a lot of people are feeling. By slowly chipping away at Simon's stories, due diligence, they are starting to be exposed for what they are. Twisted facts and out-and-out lies.

That is my opinion only.

Let me make this crystal clear. I know nothing of this new message sent to Bill by a non-member or who that person is.


Hope that makes it clear.

EDIT: What do you think of all this onawah, if I may ask? I feel for the position you are in, I really do, because I have been in that position too. When I found out that I had been lied to for so long, it hurts, and made me doubt myself more than anything. It made me not trust my own judgement, which was the worst thing.

This is just what I have found out about Simon, with a little digging. It's a free choice World, and it's your choice who you listen to. That aspect, I respect.


Regards.

[Hervé]

... I don't apologize for keeping an open mind about Simon or any other whistleblower who is being accused of various things, when no real tangible proof other than hearsay is being provided of serious wrongdoing.
[...]

onawah, I wish for you that one day you'll be able to distinguish between "hearsay" and "testimony."


[...]
All the other messages received (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) which I've been asked to post have been testimony.

As for plagiarism, those are also actionable either with the stripping of any "certificates" acquired via such or with lawsuits like it happens in the "entertainment" fields.

Until you are able to let go of that bone, I wish you pleasure, peace and joy worrying it :)

[onawah]

Thanks Herve,
As I understand it, there was one recording which may have convinced Bill that the other accusations were probably all true.
Personally, I think there is a lot more about that particular case which needs to be explored, but I cannot offer anything in the way of evidence, unfortunately.
Nothing else was recorded and so we can only take the presenters' word for it that things actually happened the way they was presented.
Such testimony in a court of law would be weighed with conflicting testimony if there was such.
And there would be lots of favorable testimony from people who have reported benefiting from sessions with Simon, if anyone was interested enough in this debate to present it.
I lost interest in trying to collect it from CC members as they don't have a central site at this time, and Simon wasn't really interested in sending it to me, as he has pretty much written off Avalon, I believe.
He agreed to do it at one point, and then I told him that I thought it was pointless, too, or at least not the right time for it.
As for plagiarism, it's a kind of murky area when it comes to legality on the internet, I think, and there's a lot of it going on.
I'm not excusing that, just stating an observable fact.
Simon's being targeted for it, but a lot of other people could be just as easily.
David Wilcock and others collect information from the internet and other sources and present it to interested people who don't have time to do that kind of research.
It's a service, in a way, though certainly not always accurate or verifiable.
I don't think they usually claim all that information comes from themselves, do they?
And I don't think there are certificates for such services, or that they have been considered "actionable" as things stand at this time.
For that matter, the mainstream media isn't accountable either for much of the information it presents, as well as lots of alternative media outlets.
The difference between real journalism and "entertainment" is becoming very blurred planet wide.
It's very strange times we are living in; that's one thing we can probably all agree on, and there are more and more grey areas.
I'm just not into a blame game or being a victim, I'm into the process of discovering the truth in the best way I can and trusting in my own intuition.
For every finger pointing, there are 4 pointing back.
We are all accountable in the final analysis to our own Self, and there is no escaping that.

[Daozen]

Onawah,

I left you alone because I felt kind of sorry for you. I think you have fallen under some kind of spell. I can keep my silence no longer.

You have just taken the concerns, worries and personal stories of half the forum and minimized, deflected, insinuated and wriggled out of every solid piece of evidence presented. Your act is half Grima Wormtongue, half Houdini, and it is none too pleasant to watch. Don't you have any hobbies outside Avalon? At first, I thought you should be banned, but I don't believe in banning for dissenting opinions. On second thoughts... your disingenouous double-talk has lost Sauron Parkes more credibility than the rest of us combined. Well done! :dog:

Every wheedling, whining post from any of the Parxists makes all of you look silly. So please, keep posting. Maybe you could form an Alliance with the Keshe camp.

He is reading this forum, he's just pretending he doesn't. Simon needs to step down, and go and heal. Get a job on Freelancer proof-reading, programming, whatever. That's the best offer he's going to get. James Casbolt went to jail. No matter what protection Simon thinks he has, he could serve a jail sentence too.

Onawah, if you support a plagarist and a predator, YOU are the AGRRESSOR. So quit playing all hurt and innocent.

Sauron Parkes has had his day. He no longer has permission to continue tricking people. He shall terrorize Avalon no longer.

Best Wishes,

Daozen

[6pounder]

First of all thank you dear guest for your point of view and thank you admins for sharing this with the forum.

During my entrance to the alternative community I came with the though that I won't find liers or people who would mislead others since why would some one in the alternative community would do such a thing. After a while as i grew up a bit and got some good advices, I reviewed some of Simon's materials (at the beginning I was a dedicated follower of him) and I started to feel that there is something in me that says "this guy is inconsistent". I was hoping to find some negative critic about him around here but or I didn't find any or I have probably missed it while searching. So thank's again for this reassuring info. I speak for myself here tho we will never know until we are satisfied with a hard proof that Simon is a conman or a truth teller. I do listen to connecting consciousness sometimes to see if that is some consistency with other sources but not more then that. I stopped taking Simon's stories and information seriously for quite some time now and I feel great for doing that.

[RunningDeer]

and it is none too pleasant to watch. Don't you have any hobbies outside Avalon? At first, I thought you should be banned, but I don't believe in banning for dissenting opinions. On second thoughts.. your disingenouous double-talk...

...YOU are the AGRRESSOR. So quit playing all hurt and innocent.
Ouch! Dang, Daozen...

{Hold on, I'm waiting for my heart to stop pounding so hard.}

I cringe when onawah’s stop button gets stuck on go. Blind spots are a tricky thing. We all have em’.

To onawah, in case you need it…I’m over here. Jump. If not, that’s fine, too.

I’m shutting down the computer for the evening. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-smiley-with-sign-165726_zpsib04wklr.GIF All.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Fantasy_Fun/merry-go-round2_zps4knrhnst.JPG

[Sierra]

Daozen has a point RunningDeer (though it is a very pointy point lol), but Lawd have mercy, how many threads are we on now?


... I'm glad this matter has been put to rest...

I'm glad you feel that way onawah. I'm sure Bill, Alberto, Daniela, Bibi, Callista, "A", "F", Sam, three guest emailers and anyone else whose testimony was invalidated, feel a similar joy.

You are very lucky Greybeard still respects you, and I respect Greybeard very much.

[onawah]

Their testimony may be true as they see it, and if so, I don't think it can truly be invalidated unless they allow that feeling in, but what happened may also be seen from other perspectives, as well, which can be just as valid.
We can never really know, since we are not omnipotent.
Which is why we are instructed to judge not.

[Spellbound]

Initially, I was very intrigued by Simon a couple years ago. His calm demeanor...his frank discussions of his upbringing and connections with Mantis ET's....I was like...wow, this dude is really spilling the beans. However, in the last few months all I hear from him is fear mongering with BS predictions. And so, I've tuned him out. I can't get into fear mongering and I think it's a slippery slope to make predictions because when they don't come true, then all credibility is lost (imo anyways). I wonder if, after this thread, he will mention Avalon by name in his next interview with Kerry.

Dave - Toronto

[Sierra]

Their testimony may be true as they see it, and if so, I don't think it can truly be invalidated unless they allow that feeling in, but what happened may also be seen from other perspectives, as well, which can be just as valid.
We can never really know, since we are not omnipotent.
Which is why we are instructed to judge not.

Practice what you preach dear. No one else was pointing the finger at the whistleblowers. Non stop.

[Matina]

After all these that came to light it's hard to listen to Simon Parkes any more but i still believe he was telling the truth about his experiences.I really didn't like the fact that Avalon members were named in this e mail,in fact i found it really useless.Comments like" don't you have any hobbies outside Avalon?" make me mad,they are disgusting

[DNA]

David Wilcock and others collect information from the internet and other sources and present it to interested people who don't have time to do that kind of research.
It's a service, in a way, though certainly not always accurate or verifiable.
I don't think they usually claim all that information comes from themselves, do they?
And I don't think there are certificates for such services, or that they have been considered "actionable" as things stand at this time.
For that matter, the mainstream media isn't accountable either for much of the information it presents, as well as lots of alternative media outlets.


I can't even come close to comparing the two.
People have said a lot of mean things about Wilcock, usually regarding ego and that kind of thing.
But, David has openly stated that women pretty regularly throw themselves at him as a sort of alternative media/spiritual guru version of the rock star groupies.
I mean, if I were a chick I suppose it would be pretty cool to say I f*cked the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.
But I digress.
David has stated that this would be a negative thing to do, and has stated he has for the most part used his will power not to engage in that sort of thing.
Where as Simon Parks offers up his corn dog and states it is a necessary part of the energetic healing.
I mean I've been to the doctors office and had to endure the ominous snap of the plastic glove and the uncomfortable request to "now push against my finger". But I've never had anyone in the role of care giver tell me I need to turn around and take his corn dog in order for my ailment to go away.
Just saying.
He also states that the corn dog must have no condemn on it.
This was always the dead give away for me.
Upon hearing this I knew the guy was negatively attaching himself to people.
Gurus are famous for cording their pupils and feeding on them. Some do it consciously others unconsciously.
Such is the dark side of spirituality. And corn dog juice is basically a living entity, so it is the quickest and most powerful way for a man to cord someone.
So to sum all of this up, I do not believe there is anyway what so ever you can compare David Wilcock to Simon Parks.
David Wilcock is like the Opie Taylor of the alternative news community.
Where as Simon Parks is that creepy uncle who your parents never leave you alone with.


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I apologize but since I posted this, I just couldn't get this song out of my head.
Sharing is caring. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07pLGIgyfjw
07pLGIgyfjw

[Tangri]

I am very sorry to be not clear enough in some events but you need to step up yourself, I can not lift you.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77999-White-Cabals-can-be-easily-become-a-charlatan&p=912355&viewfull=1#post912355

[Mike]

I agree with many of the emailers points. Many of us do. There are dozens upon dozens of active members that could have, and maybe already have, written something similar. Which makes posting it here all the more redundant and pointless. It was in my opinion in very poor taste, as it repeatedly singles out one member (Onawah) for reprimand, which has the effect of shaming or embarrassing or intentionally trying to gang up on someone...and accomplishes little else. I was embarrassed by it.

Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one. I can't help but question the motivation here???

[Spellbound]

I'd like to comment on RunningDeer's picture posted above of horses breaking loose from a merry go round. LOL, I think that's awesome (and I saved it).

Dave - Toronto

[BMJ]

I would like to thank the moderation team for taking decisive action on the matter of Simon Parkes.

In relation to the "Simon Parkes update 2016-sep-04: Connecting Consciousness" were I was quiet vocal about my opinions. I would like to make some points:

1. I am fully aware of the misgivings the communities and guests had about Simon Parkes abilities as a counselor, and this played a significant part in stopping me from seeking his counsel.

2. I found some of Simon Parkes points interesting in his Q and A which would allow me a perspective to investigate and validate or disprove for myself.

3. My posts in "Simon Parkes update 2016-sep-04: Connecting Consciousness" directed towards Sam Hunter and Greybeard were designed to bait them both and highlight the fact that regardless of the the source of the thread it is not the place for members of the community to witch hunt, become self appointed police or gangstalk peronalities in the alternative media on the Avalon Community forum.

Because there actions may:
- dissuade members from expressing their point of view on the topic,
- dissuade possible whistleblowers from coming forward and also
- damage the reputation of the Avalon Community.

And yes I was trying to force the issue on Simon Parkes. If members like Sam Hunter, Greybeard or others have strong issue with these personalities they should directly petition the moderators to take action. As it the sole responsibility of the moderation team to take decisive action against personalities which are deemed a threat to members and guests of the Avalon Community.

Lastly, I am sorry to anyone I may have offended or upset, my aim was for decisive action to be taken in regards to Simon Parkes material.

And I do not hold any ill will towards any member or guest and have respect for opinions of every member as I have always.

[Callista]

This video was recorded on the 21 August and I think is appropriate to post here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8a3abG5ND8

[DNA]

I agree with many of the emailers points. Many of us do. There are dozens upon dozens of active members that could have, and maybe already have, written something similar. Which makes posting it here all the more redundant and pointless. It was in my opinion in very poor taste, as it repeatedly singles out one member (Onawah) for reprimand, which has the effect of shaming or embarrassing or intentionally trying to gang up on someone...and accomplishes little else. I was embarrassed by it.

Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one. I can't help but question the motivation here???


Mike
I love you like a digital brother. I do. I agree with you 99.99% of the time.
But I also feel you like a good fight now and then, and there is no better fight than defending the underdog so to speak.
Fair enough.
If I were in a forum brawl there is probably no one better I would choose to stand by my side than yourself.
There was even a time when I think we were on the verge of a row, and you reminded me of our friendship and also stated you didn't wanna risk losing it by verbally whipping my ass on the forum. Of which my brother, I had little doubt then and I have little doubt now that you could do.
You are quite handy with the six shooter as your avatar signifies with Val Kilmer portraying Doc Holliday from the movie Tombstone.
The best character of the movie and probably Val Kilmer's career.
But back to the topic.
In the Spring of 2015 I left the forum for the most part. I believe I talked with you about it at the time. And my reason for not wanting to be here was the forum's support of Simon Parks at the time.
I had become aware that Simon Parks was taking advantage of folks, men and women alike and making unprotected sex an important part of their healing process.
You may say buyer beware and you may be correct in that point.
The ruling precept of Adam Smith's economic principals were that if two parties both being of sound mind entered into agreed exchange of money and or goods and services then the exchange was a positive in so far as it reflected on the market.
We must now ask ourselves, where the folks who accepted Simon Parks offer of sexual healing of sound mind?
Simon Parks was a councilor or rather a energetic healer. The folks coming to Parks felt there was something wrong with them and decided to pursue a means of healing.
I'm sure the majority of the folks who entered into an arrangement with Parks never in their wildest dreams thought he was going to physically enter them. Now I'm sure most of these folks were of sound mind, but the power we give healers can often times allow us to follow the recomendation of the healer to an extent we never would have considered before the relationship started.
Now does this mean all these folks were not of sound mind? I'm thinking they were of sound mind, but I'm sure some by their own admission some were seeking help on this account. So atleast on a few accounts we can assume that the individuals were not of sound mind being as they came for healing help, now by not being of sound mind this was not an exchange the market would deem beneficial.
When entering a relationship of patient healer one lets one's defenses down. One allows the healer to be in charge.
There are ethical restraints in the psychology fields because of this.
Now that these complaints have reached our forum owner's ears and the ears of the mods to the satisfaction that these complaints are real, the proper protocols have been put in place and we are getting away from offering Parks a venue of which to procure more victims. There seems to be a few dissenting opinions on the validity of those vicitms who have come forward. There seems to be a few folks who demand "proof" in so far as it relates to "proof" being more than human testimony.
You may feel Onawah should have the freedom to express her views on the positive concerning Parks, and you may be correct.
But my own personal view is, if we can save one person from Simon Parks sodomizing them both mentally/spiritually and mentally then shouldn't we?
I think so.
And if this means posting five negatives to every one of Onawah's positive posts where Simon Parks is concerned then so be it.
I know you and Natalie are friends, but the forum verdict on Simon has been made.
He is guilty as guilty gets.
We have plenty of lurkers reading our words, not just the guy who had his e-mail posted.
I think it is our duty to get the word out for those who are still being lured in by his videos. And I also applaud those who contradict the message of Simon being any kind of a valid healer/therapist. Simon is a predator plain and simple


I hope you understand what a touchy subject this is.
The topic is a fairly charged one. Especially for those who have been taken advantage of.

[onawah]

I wrote the following to an Avalonian, and was asked to post it here.

You misunderstand. I am not defending Simon.
I am defending justice and the process by which we arrive at justice.
True, I don't see that there has been enough proof of wrongdoing to condemn Simon to the extent he has been accused.
I don't think he is stainless, but I think it is possible that he is sincerely turning into a better human being.
In the Bible it says that heaven rejoices much more in the sinner who repents than in the soul who considers him/herself blameless.
If we are all One, then we are all benefiting by helping such a repentant if that is so.
No one has to publicly repent to be a sincere person--I would be less convinced if Simon did, because I think he is still too Reptilian for that, but I think he is doing so just the same, in his own way.
And I can only say that because I'm sure I (and most people on the planet) have some Reptilian in me, and so I can recognize and understand those traits.
I would not stand in the way of that, even though I think he still has a long way to go.
His friend Becky, who is an inactive Avalon member, is not a fool, nor do I think other friends of his such as Win Keech and Jay Pee of Wolf Spirit Radio could be easily deceived.
I may be wrong, but I think the truth will be clear at some point, and when it is, I don't see any reason to feel regret even if I am wrong.
Every soul should have a chance to redeem themselves, even if they fail.
I admit it's possible that he is such a master at deception that he has all those people fooled, myself included, but I think there are a lot more people who would defend him than would revile him because he has helped them in some way.
So even if he is a wicked person, he is doing a lot of good in spite of himself.

There was more to the message, but that was the part which the person thought should be posted.
No doubt Simon's detractors will find it of no consequence, but I think those like Mike and perhaps a few others will appreciate it.

As for the comparison to David Wilcock, my remarks were taken out of context.
I was speaking only of the service that David performs and others like him, including Simon, of spending a lot of time researching data and compiling it and disseminating it for those of us who don't have time for that.

I don't think any of us really know for sure very much about Simon's or David's or anyone else's private lives, really.
It is all speculation or second hand information for everyone except the two people involved in any given relationship.
Only those who have the shared experience can know what really happened, and of those two, the accounting of what happened and why and how can vary tremendously.

I am not pointing the finger at anyone by taking that position, I am no more omnipotent than anyone else, so how could I know?
I don't claim to know who is deceived and who is deceiver.
But I think is it is valid to suspect that there may be foul play on the parts of some who have made complaints, for the very reason that Simon is constantly speaking out publicly about the elite.
And that is a point that is constantly being ignored, which I find very puzzling.

[BMJ]

Thank you onawah for expressing your point of view. :waving:

[Debra]

Dear Mike, I love your perspective, always have and always will because you stand for yourself - as does Onawah ... but recently ... WTF has happened? I am confounded by her stand and validations. This pursuit of truth we all have but there is enough evidence in front of us surely to steer well clear of anything that Simon says.

However, that view is not shared by everyone and I do respect freedom of speech.

But what I am horrified about is this lack of compassion in Onawah for members who have clearly been through some bad experiences with this guy. And even when the testimonies continued to roll on in, there has been no visible iota of empathy from her. This is a reflection and so be it. It happens to us in this truth movement. Sometimes we get it wrong. Man, I've been caught seriously out in the past but when members have helped me see what I wasn't seeing, I have stepped back. I've re- considered and dropped the bone. Glad I did.

Frankly, mod hat on and off, I am drop dead tired of this blindness - it's so far away from consciousness it's ludicrous IMO. This emailer calls it and it's everything I have been thinking. Why I supported it being published is because it was cleanly said and reached in with courage to say this whole matter smells. I don't think we should be giving space to Parkes when there has been next to zero work done by him to address the mountain of serious claims that have been laid before him. And for members on here to ignore that and continue to enable him? And hold him up with respect and continually present via Avalon that he is of great value, is a spiritual, trustworthy being who has humanity's best interests at heart ? Bull**** !

This is not what I signed up for.

Onawah is fairly vocal in airing what she has to say. Well I now say back: enough already! Only thing I regret about this email in the OP is that I didn't come forward first and just say it myself. Hell, I am way overdue saying what I want to say because of a distant loyalty to Onawah as a member whose voice I used to respect. I feel now implicit in allowing her to bathe in this mess for so long and not just say it cleanly from my own heart.

I cannot afford to engage in this unclean, slippery exchange; the kind that pussy foots around. It is circular energy going nowhere and doing nobody any favours. I want to put my energy into exposing the virus (thanks, Songs) clearing this virus that I know is still in me and certainly around me.


I agree with many of the emailers points. Many of us do. There are dozens upon dozens of active members that could have, and maybe already have, written something similar. Which makes posting it here all the more redundant and pointless. It was in my opinion in very poor taste, as it repeatedly singles out one member (Onawah) for reprimand, which has the effect of shaming or embarrassing or intentionally trying to gang up on someone...and accomplishes little else. I was embarrassed by it.

Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one. I can't help but question the motivation here???

[BMJ]

think this sums up the reason for the decision.

the mods and administration feel there are, and should be moral standards for how we humans treat one another, and we have a moral responsibility to uphold those standards.

chris

That is a very good point.

[BMJ]

In a way, I am glad that this matter has been put to rest, but I agree that the OP letter should have been for members only. However, I don't apologize for keeping an open mind about Simon or any other whistleblower who is being accused of various things, when no real tangible proof other than hearsay is being provided of serious wrongdoing.
We all know the elite are desperate to keep information that is unfavorable to them from being spread, and they will go to great lengths to obfuscate the truth and to discredit their detractors.
Just because someone is a member of Avalon doesn't mean that they are infallible, integral or omnipotent, and that certainly holds true for non-members as well.
Contrary to what so many seem to believe, I am not convinced one way or the other about Simon's story or his integrity or motives.
I've experienced a lot of "stranger than fiction" kinds of things in my own life, and as unbelievable as his story may sound to others, I think there's a chance it may be at least partly true.
I also would not surprised if it is all fabricated.
But when your mind is made up and nothing can change it, then there is isn't a lot of opportunity for real proof left to be presented, if it is ever uncovered.
As for Simon's abilities or integrity as a counselor, I have no idea.
I've heard people make both positive statements and negative statements about all kinds of licensed and unlicensed counselors, psychics, channelers, advisors, etc. etc.
It seems to me to be more about finding the right one than expecting a one size fits all, or having any expectations at all--it seems to be pretty much a crap shoot to me.
I would much rather keep my own counsel.
And that is all I have to say on that subject.

I agree that was really well put onawah. :waving:

[Debra]

Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

[BMJ]

First of all thank you dear guest for your point of view and thank you admins for sharing this with the forum.

During my entrance to the alternative community I came with the though that I won't find liers or people who would mislead others since why would some one in the alternative community would do such a thing. After a while as i grew up a bit and got some good advices, I reviewed some of Simon's materials (at the beginning I was a dedicated follower of him) and I started to feel that there is something in me that says "this guy is inconsistent". I was hoping to find some negative critic about him around here but or I didn't find any or I have probably missed it while searching. So thank's again for this reassuring info. I speak for myself here tho we will never know until we are satisfied with a hard proof that Simon is a conman or a truth teller. I do listen to connecting consciousness sometimes to see if that is some consistency with other sources but not more then that. I stopped taking Simon's stories and information seriously for quite some time now and I feel great for doing that.

You need to be constantly diligent using your commonsense, intuition, gut feeling regardless of whether it is here or elsewhere as TPTB do try to inflirtrate all forms of alternative media.

[BMJ]

Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one.

Very well put Mike.

[BMJ]

Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

Yes I did and it took a very along time for the forum to get to this point regarding Simon Parkes.

[Chester]

Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

Yes I did and it took a very along time for the forum to get to this point regarding Simon Parkes.

It would be nice to know if you are reasonably aware of the matters involving Parkes of which others, like myself, have felt compelled to raise concerns regarding those who may be unwittingly enabling Parkes which extends the potential endangerment to newbie vulnerables.

From all the posts I have read of yours... and posts from onawah and a few others, I make odds pretty high the depth of seriousness of this matter has escaped you all.

There's reasons it hasn't been spelled out in black and white yet I am baffled that none of you have figured this out. And if you do actually have a clue, then you also understand the discretion demonstrated by the staff of Avalon as well as several members in not making this so plainly clear but there are two strong hints that may finally get you to see why there appears to be excessive comments and why apparent excessive moderation has taken place.


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and this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1086000&viewfull=1#post1086000)

with this specific quote -


Telling someone you believe you were someone in a past life and that you could HEAL THEM USING SEX is NOTHING NEW.

Yet I make odds high Kerry knows that what developed into a serial situation over a lengthy period of time had zero to do with healing. Certainly the folks that "got healed" didn't feel very healthy after and in some cases, the results have been tragic. Yet he is one of her stars and in fact headlined an event right around the time of her post. The community needs to draw a line here and if they need to, draw a line on those who continue to promote this.

This isn't about "judging" someone. This (effort by some members and staff) is folks reacting to their own sense of responsibility to others in this world who, in some cases, may become statistic number 20 or 30 or however many that have ended up feeling at the very least metaphorically raped.

I quoted his words and I quoted Kerry's as she is fully aware of how far this has gone.

And the call is for those who have a conscience to think for once not about themselves, not about their ego for maybe getting this one wrong, but to think about the next victim who might just happen into this forum without any idea of the situation and see in the new posts a new "Simon said this in this interview" thread... listen and fall for the guy, decide to check out his site, run across his promotion for "soul readings" and end up like documented cases of others have... in ways you wouldn't wish upon anyone, much less someone you cared for.

This is what this is all about because this community does not have any faith in any legal system. In fact, prior to too many victims coming forward, Simon himself threatened at least one lawsuit against a former member of Avalon.

As for the ludicrous comment I read some time back that goes something like... "if people feel he has wronged them, they should take him to court..." and it came from a veteran of the alternative community.

That makes about as much sense as Wilcock's threat to use US Federal authorities to enforce copyright against anyone else who teaches his material (which so happens to have been the perennial philosophy to a great extent in the Access Your Higher Self series) while he pretends to be a champion for humanity. Essentially he threatens you with the very same thing he pretends he's saving you from. "They should take him to court..." Right.

The folks at this forum didn't want to be in this position at all whatsoever. Anyone who thinks they like this, that they enjoy or that they have some strange desire to quash 1st amendment rights... well, I truly can't imagine not understanding the importance in doing the right thing by standing up as a community for the vulnerable.

Sadly, Youtube video hits, conference attendee counts and other forms of profiteering are far more important than doing the right thing. Yet the Avalon staff did... That was the point of the mention of a moral obligation.

Just blows my mind so many folks here still don't get it.

[6pounder]

Onawah, ty for sharing with us this part of your pm, it helped me a lot to understand your perspective on the matter and I agree with you. Not because you are some kind of underdog here but because that's what I believe in too - justice.

Now ide like to address something to everyone:
Welcome to the internet guys. The invention that made info unreliable forever unless you have witnessed something with your own eyes or have been provided with evidence that can satisfy you. In our case of accusations at Simon (defending justice here, not an individual) proper evidence would be a video of the accused and accuser both in the accurance of the accusations.
Now back to the internet. Any one of us should consider anything here as fiction. If it's what been said about Simon or any other thing UNTIL you have your own experience of it. Some might guide you towards that experience to provide proof to their claims. The rest is you and your way of taking any info as you wish if its for granted or with a grain of salt.
Now for justice.
When we call upon justice,
what exactly do we consider as just? The accuser proving the accused as guilty with evidence or the accused proving his innocence with evidence? Which one is just? So far no proofs to any claim ware brought to the table, REAL PROOF. Assuming some one said something about someone, if we take this as evidence then we forget what internet is.

Who thinks that the picture on my profile is really me? Do I have any proof it's me? Do I need to prove it to anyone? NO it's a damn internet, nothing here is credible until you face it IRL.

So please dear Avalonian ladies and gentlemen, let us not forget what internet is and what justice is. Do not judge one by INFO on the internet. It's just another info that we cannot have its credibility except believing it with pure innocence.

(I just flipped the table here so any one got offended no offense...)

[Daozen]

Mike, I like a lot of your posts, especially our conversation on longevity tablets, which I found valuable. So I hope we can agree to disagree on this subject.

*



I am not pointing the finger at anyone by taking that position, I am no more omnipotent than anyone else, so how could I know?
I don't claim to know who is deceived and who is deceiver.

*

But I think is it is valid to suspect that there may be foul play on the parts of some who have made complaints, for the very reason that Simon is constantly speaking out publicly about the elite. And that is a point that is constantly being ignored, which I find very puzzling.

So you are saying that people who suffered abuse at the hands of a "therapist" are working with the elite? Is that right? Again, it's you who are on the attack here, Onawah.

I'm sorry, but you're treading in libel territory. You said this a few weeks back: some members may have a (from memory) "dark agenda" against Simon, because he is speaking out against the elite. I can't remember your exact words.

You were asked directly by Bill to name names, or get to the point regarding who you thought it was. You backed down straight away.

And now you are using the same tactic again. Soon you're going to be asked a second time who you are talking about. And I guess you're going to back right down again.

[BMJ]

Yes BMJ .. You have made your point.

Yes I did and it took a very along time for the forum to get to this point regarding Simon Parkes.

It would be nice to know if you are reasonably aware of the matters involving Parkes of which others, like myself, have felt compelled to raise concerns regarding those who may be unwittingly enabling Parkes which extends the potential endangerment to newbie vulnerables.

From all the posts I have read of yours... and posts from onawah and a few others, I make odds pretty high the depth of seriousness of this matter has escaped you all.

It seems you've jumped the gun and not read my post or missed the point I made in post 37 Sam Hunter which was very straight forward and clear, quote:
"I would like to make some points:
1. I am fully aware of the misgivings the communities and guests had about Simon Parkes abilities as a counselor, and this played a significant part in stopping me from seeking his counsel."

I fully understand the issues. I simple don't like people taking it upon themselves to try to police the forum and ram their opinion down my throat at every opportunity we have a mechanism in place which is the moderators whom in part act as watchdogs of the forum.

Does that make sense to you?

And still you don't get it you are not the forum police Sam Hunter.

And as further note I not going to get drawn into a slanging match with you or anyone else in the style "he said she said".

I'll leave that to those that "enjoy" that style of discourse like yourself to continue causing controversy and division.

[greybeard]

I think it would have been abdicating personal responsibility to just report our concerns to the mods regarding Simon and expect them to get on with it.
As a community we are collectively responsible for what happens or does not happen with some subjects (contentious) on Avalon.
It is up to the individual to be vocal if they feel that vulnerable or not so vulnerable people have been hurt by what a member is posting, saying, doing (Simon in this case) or non member video for that matter
I have not always agreed with Bill or Mod decisions but have said so at the time.
However this time I think that Bill and the mods have done their very best in a difficult situation.

Chris

[Daozen]

This is not a policing action. This is a round table of equals, where some of us are speaking in support of Simon, others against him, others neutral. If moderators were to get involved, it would demean the whole discussion. They are here to provide a platform, and only intervene when necessary. The Parksists asked for the other thread to be closed. It was closed. Now we're on a new thread.

Avalonians are forgiving and mild mannered in general, and this is cynically being used against them. Simon, Onawah and others were given dozens of chances to calmly step down, they decided not to.

Our justice system has failed us, diplomatic means have been exhausted. Our last resort is open, public discourse. No honest person should be afraid of that.

I say let everyone speak freely.

[Ewan]

To onawah, in case you need it…I’m over here. Jump. If not, that’s fine, too.



http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Fantasy_Fun/merry-go-round2_zps4knrhnst.JPG


What a fantastic image!

:clapping:

[greybeard]

Yes its been a bit of merry go round for Simon supporters, as in, stuck in denial.
Chris

[Ewan]

I've made this post before, though not word for word.

It is fair to say as a young man I was very naive. Any conman could have had a field day with me as I was so wide-eyed and innocent. Somehwere along the line, through a step by painful step in awakening, or just purely tired with being so damned gullible, I began to develop some discernment. By the time i was 40 I had developed something like a 6th sense about people. I just got a vibe when something wasn't right. I don't know how else to explain it.

It can be hard to discern via video or text when the person you are listening to is a smooth operator. In a personal face to face meeting though that is where my senses function. When I went to a talk by Simon I was very interested in what he had to say and thought he was a really interesting person with some amazing experiences and knowledge to share.

I left that 2hr talk with an entirly different perception. Something was just 'off' about the whole thing. I'm now of the opinion a minute spent listening to him is already a waste of energy.

[Ewan]

Yes its been a bit of merry go round for Simon supporters, as in, stuck in denial.
Chris

Well, it was more about breaking free, but yeah. Hopefully one will appear in the Keshe thread before too long. ;)

[ulli]

When someone messes up, even repeatedly, one can still forgive.
But when someone is so consistently self-serving that he sees others only as an opportunity to enrich himself then forgiveness is no longer an option.
The option is to either lock them away, to protect the community, or to shun them, and warn others to stay away as well.
One can't really work with them, unless one lets them know that one has seen through their deception.

I'm quite amazed now reading this thread how many here saw the SP game for what it was early on. I thought at first Iwas the only one who felt he was off, somehow.

In fact, I felt a bit guilty at first, when so many other Avalonians were excited about him being on this forum, while I was thinking that here we had another conman.

He showed all the signs- a smooth talker, nice, neat little story...ready to target the alt community, where no real protective measures were in place. Don't people ever learn?
If he were for real, he would never ever have come forward like this.
True, we are no court of law. We are a communitty of isolated individuals with little back-up support. A century ago any one of us might have been committed to a mental hospital, because of the things we have "seen" and believe in.

So here we are, free to explore truth the way we see it. And the only recourse we have in case a wolf in sheeps clothing appears amongst us is to allow those who have seen the fangs close up to cry "wolf" and then collectively examine if there really is a wolf.

Then tell those who find predators fascinating to please leave and find another flock where wolves in sheps clothing are welcomed by all.

[greybeard]

Yes Ulli agreed.

I know I have said it before (Several times smiling) but when i posted that Simon was talking and I reversed his name Parks to read Krap, I got visited by a mod, I was reported by a member for voicing that opinion. Also got a PM which I will not going into cept for saying --- "That I should know better than insult a fellow member."
A fellow member to my mind posts on other subjects than just himself.

The mod was quite taken with Simon as a Spiritual guide.
Things have changed
That was quite some time ago but I hope when anyone voices similar sentiments on a new star that some heed is taken.

I did not take it personally Im just making a point.

Chris

[Sierra]

This is not a policing action. This is a round table of equals, where some of us are speaking in support of Simon, others against him, others neutral. If moderators were to get involved, it would demean the whole discussion. They are here to provide a platform, and only intervene when necessary. The Parksists asked for the other thread to be closed. It was closed. Now we're on a new thread.

Avalonians are forgiving and mild mannered in general, and this is cynically being used against them. Simon, Onawah and others were given dozens of chances to calmly step down, they decided not to.

Our justice system has failed us, diplomatic means have been exhausted. Our last resort is open, public discourse. No honest person should be afraid of that.

I say let everyone speak freely.

Agreed. I/we/moderators have no desire to be the thought police.


Yes Ulli agreed.

I know I have said it before (Several times smiling) but when i posted that Simon was talking and I reversed his name Parks to read Krap, I got visited by a mod, I was reported by a member for voicing that opinion. Also got a PM which I will not going into cept for saying --- "That I should know better than insult a fellow member."
A fellow member to my mind posts on other subjects than just himself.

The mod was quite taken with Simon as a Spiritual guide.
Things have changed
That was quite some time ago but I hope when anyone voices similar sentiments on a new star that some heed is taken.

I did not take it personally Im just making a point.

Chris

And thank you for that. :)

Herein is the REAL lesson. No more stars, no more chasing after stars, no more happily parking one's brains at the door, no more platforms of religious awe propping up wanna be's, please.


I much prefer the company of equals.

[greybeard]

Oh Sierra Im smiling---Im in total agreement -- I wish it was that easy but it would not surprise me if another star appeared--there seems to be a need for one.
Though I think more discernment will be shown by the majority of members.

When suspecting that a new whistle blower and I use that tern loosely, is not all they claim to be, it is important to give valid reason for the suspicion--not liking or a gut feeling is not enough.
Even the logic and rational thinking will not get through to supporters but it may be enough for moderators to contemplate some form of action.

Having taken this action this once ie to ban threads on Simon Parks it should be easier and somewhat quicker if it becomes absolutely necessary again and I hope not.

I believe in free speech but not at any price.

Chris

[sunwings]

Published on 13 Jan 2014
Welcome to the Project Avalon Forum interview with contactee and experiencer Simon Parkes — who himself is a longstanding and highly respected Avalon member.

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There are more questions than answers (as always) on this thread. If he has been tricking us all along, then he should know Karma, will be there waiting for him.

[Pam]

And thank you for that.

Herein is the REAL lesson. No more stars, no more chasing after stars, no more happily parking one's brains at the door, no more platforms of religious awe propping up wanna be's, please.


I much prefer the company of equals.



Amen to that!!!!!!

[Debra]

I say there are already some amazing voices in our own membership - who I enjoy paying attention to whenever they have something to add - often more than so called profile names in alternative media.

To me, you are the stars.

We are lucky to have some of them on this thread!

Bless you all ! :bearhug::bearhug::bearhug:

[greybeard]

Yes Paula in particular is one of the most together, helpful, and fair minded persons on Avalon, though I like the fact that really we are all equal.
The Buddha said it well. "Put no head above your own" thats wise advice.

Chris

[TrumanCash]

I must confess at the onset that I have not been following Simon Parkes threads for a long time. He lost me a long time ago when he constantly put forth the idea/propaganda that Mantids are benevolent.

No, they are not. They are one of the master manipulators if not the master manipulators of planet Earth. The Mantids have conspired directly with the Serpent Staff Pleiadians (e.g., Ra, Ptah, Thoth, et al) to create god-worshipping religions that have been historically and are being used presently to tear the this planet apart and with divide-and-conquer tactics to create never-ending war and chaos. The Mantids operate the insidious in-between lives implanting motherships and apparently other mechanisms to program people into believing false realities (e.g., NDEs). I detailed all this over twenty years ago in my books, especially THE EYE OF RA. They have created an artificial reincarnation system that has been enslaving and torturing souls for thousands--if not millions--of years. This is not speculation on my part; this is my personal experience with these sociopathic ETs.

I want to thank all those victims and witnesses of Simon Parkes' very unethical, if not criminal, exploitation of people seeking help. The reports of sexual predatory practices as a means of "therapy" or "counseling" are shocking to me. I also want to thank Bill Ryan for sharing the emails that he has received because I also share the viewpoint that such activities need to be exposed.

I have made it a personal policy not to publicly judge or invalidate other "experiencers" who have the courage to publicly talk about their abductions and/or contacts with ETs. However, I have to make an exception here.

I do not know if Simon Parkes has just been mind-controlled from early age by his "mum" and "dad" or if he is just one of those truly gifted sociopathic storytellers. I do know that the Mantids and Reptilians that have been interfacing with Earth inhabitants are in fact masters of mind control.

There were certain things that Simon said when he first came onto this forum that piqued my interest. He was the only one besides myself who had mentioned the Mantid in-between lives implanting facilities, which, if memory serves, he described as "processing" facilities. He also described in detail and with pictures the Mantid technology of transferring a being into a different body. I had exposed this technology in the mid-90s in THE EYE OF RA. So now I am wondering--given the additional claims of plagiarism--Did he read my books and then make up a story based upon what I had documented twenty years ago? Or did he truly have these experiences which appear to validate my own experiences? Or is he part of the Illuminati conspiracy to put a happy face on abductions and the unconscionable acts of Reptilians and Mantids?

Apparently, no one else had publicly reported these Mantid technologies twenty years ago because I had then sent both of my books free of charge to Linda Moulton Howe who (politely) expressed her disbelief in my experiences. However, now after twenty years have passed she finally gets it.

I also wondered why Simon was treated like some guru. I still do not understand this phenomenon to this day so if anyone would like to shed some light on the subject I would appreciate it.

I have never wanted guru status. I am a very private person so I use a pen name and don't make videos of myself on YouTube. Also, having known Phil Schneider and seeing what the powers that be can do to people who report seeing US military working with Grays, I see no benefit in being a public martyr. Anyway, I don't understand why Simon would hold himself out to be some kind of spiritual guru. One of the repeated claims he has made is that we have a Mantid soul, or a Reptilian soul, or a whatever soul. No, we are a soul. We have all experienced lifetimes in many different bodies. Bodies are just bodies. They are just vehicles. As the driver of a car you would not say "I am Volkswagen" or "I am a 1959 red and white Corvette convertible" (my favorite). We are not our bodies just as we are not the car we drive. However, the ET controllers refer to our bodies as "containers". I think that word says it all.

One last thing I'd like to mention is that when I take the viewpoint of those who are non-members who are viewing this thread, from that viewpoint I would like to see some affidavits by the people who were sexually coerced by Simon and I'd like to hear that tape recording of Simon's abuse under the pretense of "counseling". If not an affidavit then a video interview of what happened in each instance would definitely enhance the credibility factor for the skeptics or those entranced by Simon's guru status. Of course, I know it is not an easy thing to do that for those involved and it can be somewhat embarrassing to admit being taken in by him. But we have all been there, haven't we?

[RunningDeer]

Yes Paula in particular is one of the most together, helpful, and fair minded persons on Avalon, though I like the fact that really we are all equal.
The Buddha said it well. "Put no head above your own" thats wise advice.

Chris
Thank you, Chris.

Together? Nope, nope and a big nope. The difference between the yesteryear-Paula and present one is that I stopped measuring growth with a micrometer. Curiosity and passion are what drives me to continue to discover and uncover. It’s not a popular place to hang out if one needs a lot of people around. I’m light in that department.

Spectrum of helpful vs. the enabler: a part of me asks, "Have I stop them from a growth opportunity by interrupting their process?" Blind compassion may really be a way to prevent the personal hurt I felt in those moments. It’s one of the hardest things to do; be strong enough to allow the other to stumble and figure it out for her/himself.

Fair minded is what life’s all about. If I’m not that then I’ve missed the mark. Differing opinions are cool. Though, I hurt when one goes poke-poke or name calls to another. One part of me understands some reasons why they do it, another part does not.

Ego is an overlay waiting to be peeled back to see the spirit-human. That’s an exciting journey worth experiencing. What I keep figuring out, as far back as I recall, is at my core I’ve always been the same. I like it there.

Paula ♡

[Mike]

I say there are already some amazing voices in our own membership - who I enjoy paying attention to whenever they have something to add - often more than so called profile names in alternative media.

To me, you are the stars.

We are lucky to have some of them on this thread!

Bless you all ! :bearhug::bearhug::bearhug:



I couldnt agree more Deb! There is a thread out there titled "who should Bill interview next?", and I hope he interviews a member here. There are many who would make a great interview. I'd personally vote for DNA, Daozen, Greybeard or...get this...Onawah!:)

Ive been whistleblower'ed out for some time now. When Henry Deacon arrived recently with all that goofy coded nonsense, I believe I let out the world's loudest sigh. Of course it was going to end badly. I didnt even feel excitement for a second. Thats a sure sign of jadedness. But it nearly *always* ends that way, doesnt it? That should be a lesson for us..and I hope it is.

Just to be clear: I absolutely do not support Simon Parkes in any way. But I do support our members freedom to express a different view, without fear of ridicule or shame. It's important to note that someone like Onawah doesnt endorse the things Simon is accused of doing...she simply hasnt made her mind up yet as to whether she believes it all. It's an important distinction to make. After all, he is still an active member here, despite everything that has been said about him. I don't expect our mods to be opinionless bots (and I appreciate the passion and intelligence in your post Deb!..and agree with almost all of it!) but a thread like this gives the impression of bullying..and thats my issue with it. Every society or group has to decide upon a value system..and if its decided this group's value system is a "no Simon zone", then lets openly declare it, instead of simply implying thru innuendo or threads such as this one (and that would start with banning the guy, wouldn't it?...which i'd support by the way:)

@Marcus, thanks for your post brother! Whatever I said that day about verbally spanking you was all macho bullsh!t of course. I had to say something...you really laid into me that day:) And I probably deserved it. Anyway, i'm glad we're on the same team now..

Moving On...
No man, I'm not looking for a fight. I'm too tired for that. This'll be my final post here.

I do recall you being disturbed by all the Parkes adulation way back when. You called it.

Yup, it seems he's a world class scumbag. Youll get no debate from me there. However, in this world of conspiracy and paranoral, it seems almost everything is possible. It seems that anything goes. It's basically a gigantic sh!tstorm. Where does the truth end and fantasy begin? Not too long ago, Simon was latest n greatest thing here. People were swallowing his "chosen one" fantasy hook line n sinker (and a whole bunch of other crap as well). We've swung n missed here many many times. Gullibilty is rampant. It's all pervasive. Its everywhere, all the time. People believe the most outrageous, delusional stuff you could imagine. But we allow it and say very little. We certainly don't start threads calling them out. And ive said this here many many times: if we don't check people here occasionally...if we don't say "please stop saying that..thats not true"..if we don't have the courage to do that then we create a very murky sort of fantasy land where truth and fiction - which are already blurred together in most instances - are next to impossible to decipher. Is it any wonder people are confused? We all contribute to it when we let blatant lies go unchecked. So in that sense, we're all responsible for the confusion. Also, It's easy in this field to question question question, even when things seem obvious..simply because as a result of being duped so many times, thats what we've trained ourselves to do

[dancing bear]

I agree with many of the emailers points. Many of us do. There are dozens upon dozens of active members that could have, and maybe already have, written something similar. Which makes posting it here all the more redundant and pointless. It was in my opinion in very poor taste, as it repeatedly singles out one member (Onawah) for reprimand, which has the effect of shaming or embarrassing or intentionally trying to gang up on someone...and accomplishes little else. I was embarrassed by it.

Onawah is not anyone's puppet. She's not speaking for anyone. Her posts reflect her sincere opinions on Simon Parkes. They may be immensely frustrating to many members here - including me! - but until we implement a "no Simon" policy here, she should be able to proceed without fear of shaming or condescension.

And, imo, if someone wants to have a take here, they should register just like everyone else and join the discussion that way.

Bill, mods, you all know I support you all and have great respect for each and every one of you, but I think you dropped the ball on this one. I can't help but question the motivation here???


Mike
I love you like a digital brother. I do. I agree with you 99.99% of the time.
But I also feel you like a good fight now and then, and there is no better fight than defending the underdog so to speak.
Fair enough.
If I were in a forum brawl there is probably no one better I would choose to stand by my side than yourself.
There was even a time when I think we were on the verge of a row, and you reminded me of our friendship and also stated you didn't wanna risk losing it by verbally whipping my ass on the forum. Of which my brother, I had little doubt then and I have little doubt now that you could do.
You are quite handy with the six shooter as your avatar signifies with Val Kilmer portraying Doc Holliday from the movie Tombstone.
The best character of the movie and probably Val Kilmer's career.
But back to the topic.
In the Spring of 2015 I left the forum for the most part. I believe I talked with you about it at the time. And my reason for not wanting to be here was the forum's support of Simon Parks at the time.
I had become aware that Simon Parks was taking advantage of folks, men and women alike and making unprotected sex an important part of their healing process.
You may say buyer beware and you may be correct in that point.
The ruling precept of Adam Smith's economic principals were that if two parties both being of sound mind entered into agreed exchange of money and or goods and services then the exchange was a positive in so far as it reflected on the market.
We must now ask ourselves, where the folks who accepted Simon Parks offer of sexual healing of sound mind?
Simon Parks was a councilor or rather a energetic healer. The folks coming to Parks felt there was something wrong with them and decided to pursue a means of healing.
I'm sure the majority of the folks who entered into an arrangement with Parks never in their wildest dreams thought he was going to physically enter them. Now I'm sure most of these folks were of sound mind, but the power we give healers can often times allow us to follow the recomendation of the healer to an extent we never would have considered before the relationship started.
Now does this mean all these folks were not of sound mind? I'm thinking they were of sound mind, but I'm sure some by their own admission some were seeking help on this account. So atleast on a few accounts we can assume that the individuals were not of sound mind being as they came for healing help, now by not being of sound mind this was not an exchange the market would deem beneficial.
When entering a relationship of patient healer one lets one's defenses down. One allows the healer to be in charge.
There are ethical restraints in the psychology fields because of this.
Now that these complaints have reached our forum owner's ears and the ears of the mods to the satisfaction that these complaints are real, the proper protocols have been put in place and we are getting away from offering Parks a venue of which to procure more victims. There seems to be a few dissenting opinions on the validity of those vicitms who have come forward. There seems to be a few folks who demand "proof" in so far as it relates to "proof" being more than human testimony.
You may feel Onawah should have the freedom to express her views on the positive concerning Parks, and you may be correct.
But my own personal view is, if we can save one person from Simon Parks sodomizing them both mentally/spiritually and mentally then shouldn't we?
I think so.
And if this means posting five negatives to every one of Onawah's positive posts where Simon Parks is concerned then so be it.
I know you and Natalie are friends, but the forum verdict on Simon has been made.
He is guilty as guilty gets.
We have plenty of lurkers reading our words, not just the guy who had his e-mail posted.
I think it is our duty to get the word out for those who are still being lured in by his videos. And I also applaud those who contradict the message of Simon being any kind of a valid healer/therapist. Simon is a predator plain and simple


I hope you understand what a touchy subject this is.
The topic is a fairly charged one. Especially for those who have been taken advantage of.

You could knock me down with a feather!
Guilty of biting, hook line and sinker, I took the bate straight down.
Initially thought all of this was usual forum dissing and bitching stuff but after reading through and considering I will not be promoting SP or posting any more of his links.
I don't often post on here, but did post a link to SP 's interview with KC a few days back and on reflection apologise for that particularly as it turned out to have already been posted.

Thanks for all of you that have put your heads above the parapet to share your unsavoury experiences. I hope you recover and move on as a result to become stronger and wiser for the experience. It has certainly influenced my view of SP. There does seem to be a lot of disclosures of a similar nature going on presently with the spat that recently took place between Max Igan and Ken O'Keef.
Hopefully all that is hidden will be revealed and we can get on with manifesting what should be a beautiful world. Thanks again for the heads up all.

[DePortugal]

Bill Ryan, It is very sad to see someone like you to be obliged? or coerced? or forced? to publish a text, from someone that is not an Avalon member.
It looks a well-paid work very cleverly written with very clever lies and assumptions that are shown as truth and proven facts.
Avalon belongs to all members and only members have been allowed to express their ideas.
You Bill of course can finish Avalon any time and you can make new rules, but it is very strange and sad to see you and your “administrators” breaking your own rules.
Simon Parkes is a very dangerous person…
…yes to a very small but very strong minority of Americans.
So If you were an US citizen (like my young brother) I could understand your move, because some US historical truths (old and recent) that Simon tell us about, are extremely difficult for a normal peaceful dogmatic US citizen to swallow.
I am 76, perhaps old enough to begin to understand human behaviour, but I cannot understand nor approve your move.

[3(C)+me]

People this a good example of an initiation. To what? Are you going to use your commonsense and figure things out or are you going to go into denial and enable someone because you only see a situation from one perspective.
And then refuse to move off that perspective.
Look, it is murky out there but that is part of the test. Is it not?

This waking up thing was NEVER meant to be easy.
And it is not for everyone.

I have fallen for some stupid things but after a while you learn not to be so naïve and just plain stupid.
You learn fast or you are going to be taken or burnt out or just give up wanting to know.

I have to remind you guys this is Bill's forum. He is going to do what he feels is right and he is going to do it his way.
If you don't like it then their are so many forums out there, but you will have to face the same thing, a forum run by a person who you will disagree with.


I never want to look upon Simons face ever.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oh Sierra Im smiling---Im in total agreement -- I wish it was that easy but it would not surprise me if another star appeared--there seems to be a need for one.
It would surprise me if another star didn't appear ... and another, and another ... :).

[syrwong]

Heated debate on the integrity of Simon is not surprising, as he has become an important person in the alternative arena and also is a dangerous person, be it to the supposedly undiscerning Avalon members or to TPTB. What shocked me is the banning of posting on Simon’s information.

This is justified by the mods agreement that the whistleblower has no integrity, for the reason that he has committed crimes, and worse still, on the persons who trusted him.

But the world of disinformation and conspiracy and whistleblowing is not a courtroom, where integrity is an important factor in deciding whether the defendant is guilty or not. Whistleblowers are not judged by their past, they are judged by whether they have the background and possess the information. In fact, a person who has a dishonourable or even wicked past is more likely to have important information to tell. As long as they are sincere, wanting to whistle blow, and can be seen to have the motivation to do so, they can be believed. A whistleblower who has a dishonest past but willing to risk life to tell something may be more believable than a person of integrity who may fear telling the truth is damaging to his reputation.
Notice that integrity is not a fixed quality of a person, it is changeable. A witness of high integrity may evolve for some reason to one of doubtful integrity, as vice versa. This has been shown in this forum many times.

This world is also a world of blackmailing, coercion, money power, threats, mind control and high tech manipulation. Rapid change in integrity is therefore quite possible.

If we ban all those who have behaved without integrity, we may be left with mundane truths, and self-limit our consciousness to a narrow band, instead of what we set out achieve, to expand our consciousness.

[Antihero]

I personally have nothing against shills, they're a great source of information because they can't help but to be obvious in their attempts.
If anything, I thanks them for accelerating the growth and perception of my good friends and myself.


As a side note:
Restricting freedoms and being one sided is far worse than disinfo. IMO.

[Sierra]

Ive been whistleblower'ed out for some time now. When Henry Deacon arrived recently with all that goofy coded nonsense, I believe I let out the world's loudest sigh.

Second loudest sigh...


Of course it was going to end badly. ... But it nearly *always* ends that way, doesnt it? That should be a lesson for us..and I hope it is.

It does nearly always end that way. Whether because we think we're being scammed or because the whistleblower (in most cases) is very damaged by mind control atrocities, and really has no say so over what they say. It is actually crazy to ask a mind control victim for life advice. You will never know "who" is talking to you.


It's important to note that someone like Onawah doesnt endorse the things Simon is accused of doing...she simply hasnt made her mind up yet as to whether she believes it all. It's an important distinction to make.

My interpretation of the nonstop creation of thread after thread, is this: I am seeing a determined, driven, focused agenda. To say oh good point, when Bill says he heard a recording of Simon shouting and hanging up on a client, and then go right back to invalidating what was said, because after all it was only one recording, and there may have been a mitigating circumstance, etc. This is doublespeak. Manipulative doublespeak that does not stop, and here we are. Again.

To drive thread after thread, ignoring sexual and emotional damage, ignoring lack of understanding on Simon's part of the consequences of his actions, implying the testimony of multiple witnesses is false is the height of manipulative behavior.

And it's really useless anyway, isn't it? You can't say when evidence piles up repeatedly, ALL those people have agendas, ALL those people are wrong, ALL those people are lying, ALL those people have gotten together behind the scenes to plot, to create a unified, and damning picture of Simon's behavior.

At that point, you have to ask yourself, what are the odds?


... but a thread like this gives the impression of bullying..and thats my issue with it.

But Mike... is bullying people including the witnesses, to believe a version of reality that denies what Simon has done, correct and proper community behavior? We disagree here re who is bullying whom.

It is the bullying that has finally dragged me into the Simon crap after successfully ignoring him for years. And as long as a false version of reality is present, I feel constrained to present evidence for the defense of unwitting people who have not watched the Simon show for years, as we have. No more victims, no more sexual threats, f--- me or else you'll be sorry, no more.


its decided this group's value system is a "no Simon zone", then lets openly declare it, instead of simply implying thru innuendo or threads such as this one (and that would start with banning the guy, wouldn't it?...which i'd support by the way:)

What innuendo? I've become blatant and loud (and I really hate it but as a mod I have to grit my teeth and do it) about my discomfort with the situation lol, but nothing is getting through is it? The stop button doesn't seem to exist, and that is a real problem. HOW can one ignore what has been going down with Simon using his clientele for sex? Want the bullying to stop? So do I.

Seriously, repeatedly treating multiple member testimony with utter disrespect, in support of a sexual predator, in most cases would earn someone several vacations. Don't say the moderator team has not bent over backwards to give the "underdog" a stage to communicate their opinion. Because we have, evidence in support of the member witness testimony continues to accumulate.


People believe the most outrageous, delusional stuff if we don't check people here occasionally...if we don't say "please stop saying that..thats not true"..if we don't have the courage to do that then we create a very murky sort of fantasy land where truth and fiction - which are already blurred together in most instances - are next to impossible to decipher. We all contribute to it when we let blatant lies go unchecked. So in that sense, we're all responsible for the confusion.

Damn straight. Please stop. Do not let lies against multiple member testimony go unchecked. Do not let "stars" use their position to coerce gullible or ignorant or naive clients into unprotected sex with outrageous fear porn.

If this requires bullying the "underdog" so be it. Some underdog, lol. Mike, I'm utterly sick of the subject as well. I am exhausted at being required to think about ugly stuff, ugly behavior, day after day. I think the information is out there. I think every possible jot and tittle has been covered repeatedly.

I will continue to voice and confirm the evidence given by multiple witnesses, because it is the right thing to do, when someone is working very hard on a daily basis to rewrite reality.

"In a multitude of counsel, there is wisdom."

"The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him."

[greybeard]

I can have respect for anyone and I do---but for the grace of God etc

The Universe is self balancing ---if you fly with the crows you get shot with the crows --karma is such that, what goes round, comes round, so what ever is due to Simon will come to him.
There is no need to be judgmental---there is no escape from your actions ever.
So never any need to get frustrated by anyones actions. though being a mod no doubt can be very trying and testing.

Accepting that action has to be taken and it was important to challenge Simon strongly.

Anyone who wants to follow Simon will no doubt find the next latest episode on U tube, so no need for them to feel deprived.
Hopefully we are done with out right fear porn here.

Chris

ps I really hope that anyone considering a soul reading or anything else from Simon will think again---that is really what it has all been about.

[Chester]

Post #76 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096757&viewfull=1#post1096757) is a compelling, powerful and inarguable statement.

The thanks button is clearly not enough.

[bettye198]

Coming to Project Avalon was the fresh breeze after sorting through the muck of other "say anything and hurt anyone" forums. This is why I joined. After the years here, this is the first time I witnessed a blow by blow outrage from a member's post. From the start, I always believed that here, one could post anything they felt was interesting, worthy, or questionable for healthy feedback and discussion. ( only if it did not harm or damage one's belief system) However, I feel a threat lurking that is only my opinion here and hopefully it does pass but I sense trepidation in posting without some kind of similar retaliation. How can anyone know FOR CERTAIN what the intentions are of every whistleblower you tuber or speaker on all these crazy subjects are? It is a crapshoot. I can recall times when Bill had to sit in on spurious whistleblowers and make up his own mind if it was worthy or BS or should he even post it to Camelot? No doubt, these kinds of issues come up. I am all for hard evidence when questions arise. I was waiting for examples of where Simon perpetrated a wrongful harmful act, where he contradicted himself or became psychopathic. But the conjecture seemed to be focused on his history and his counseling efforts of which I have no interest in. God knows we have so much of that out there.

Maybe all of you are 100% right on the nose and the ones who listened to these youtubes are dead wrong in our understanding of his motives and data. But we have choice, from what I always believed to make up our own minds and not fall into mob mentality. ( Sorry if I offend, there is no mal-intent) I do want to engage in meaningful discourse with all of you but there is now a percentage of trepidation which kinda messes with my head.

There are so many questionable ones we have not spent this much time on with posting, like Alex Collier who was with the Andromedans or Stewart Swerdlow who was hugely mind controlled and the long list of others like Barbara Marciniak who is now posting 2016 audio's of her connection to Plieadians who could very well be on the wrong side, so many factions. How on earth do we ever know who is on the right side or wrong side of the Annunaki and Dracs? Whew!

Just my 3 cents. I hope to continue with friendly exchange not banter or defense. We are all civil adults on a quest for truth and that is subjective, isn't it?

[Shannon]

Guys. Can we stop with the "judging Simon by his past" stuff? The guy pulled this creepy chit in the last few years and months ... Not 10 years ago. And he just posted his lame apology blaming his fake annunaki dad then pulled it down about two months ago. So please spare all the judging of the past stuff. The pain he has caused is very real and in the right now!


Thank you :)

[RunningDeer]

I was waiting for examples of where Simon perpetrated a wrongful harmful act, where he contradicted himself or became psychopathic. But the conjecture seemed to be focused on his history and his counseling efforts of which I have no interest in.

Post #256 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084425&viewfull=1#post1084425) crosses the line on many levels:


.
This e-mail was sent to me an hour ago (name and address supplied). I copy it here verbatim with nothing changed.

It should be read by everyone on the forum, and by anyone who has ever had any dealings with Simon Parkes, or who plans to.


~~~




Mr. Ryan,

I have thought much about writing this and have decided I have duty as human in compassion of humans to finally do so.

Three years ago I was introduced to Simon Parkes.

This introduction took place through a brilliant woman who is my loved and cherished friend She is a medical doctor, transpersonal psychotherapist, coach, mediator/ networker, workshop facilitator/ trainer and artist.

I have long worked in esoteric and metaphysical fields and my friend felt Simon and I may find mutual benefit in meeting.

As a result of my friend's introduction, I eventually received email from Simon requesting I be of assistance to him at any time he may feel himself in need of information in his dealings with his alien 'associates'. Although I found myself at odds with Simon's opinions and findings, disagreed with his general hypothesis, I felt loyalty to my friend and agreed to assist Simon if the occasion arose.

My friend, as stated, is an accomplished woman, very much aware and esoterically informed.

There came a time she agreed to enlist Simon's help upon his alarm to her of her alleged bloodline related compromised state. Simon assured her she was in great need of assistance to extricate herself from her very serious condition. In the process of their intense work together over a few months, they agreed to form a work partnership in attempt to combine their mutual expertise into a workable system of professionally based help for persons in need of esoteric/metaphysical therapy. With Simon's "deprogramming" skills and my friend's professional assistance they determined to build a network of qualified help for those in need. In many ways it was she who had encouraged him to use his abilities in a more focused and structured way, always with clear understanding this would have to happen with professional therapeutic emotional support/back up - from onset.

Within a few months Simon professed his love to my friend, stated he was divorcing his wife and requested my friend's hand in marriage. She was elated and joyfully accepted his proposal on the basis of their by now close and intended future association as outlined above.

Within a few months of his proposal Simon abruptly retreated, noticeably altered in nature, communicated in very erratic and evasive messages, dismissed all responsibility as her alleged "deprogrammer" and derided my and my friend's cautionary notes he had been adversely affected to a degree that gave evidence he had been spiritually, psychically altered - heart and soul. He behaved from an empathic and heart encoded void. His heart became a drive train to his body functions only.

He behaved as though this woman whom he allegedly loved and wanted to marry never existed.

This capable, able and independent woman was devastated. She felt betrayed at highest levels.

She suffered debilitating psychic attacks in the following months that we came to suspect as emanating from the beings with whom Simon declares himself involved. We did not feel Simon directly responsible but rather serving as a useful tool to other realm energies.

This story is a much more complex tale than I relate here; I feel details I have given suffice in relating a clear overview.

My point in relating this is simple: I have recently followed your forum posts re SP and those whose lives he has adversely, by their admissions, affected.

His cavalier attitude and platitudes of 'daddy made me do it' and 'I was used in performance of these behaviors' attended by a public apology and subsequent withdrawal of that apology is not action to be taken lightly nor abided.

Simon's apologies, if one bit heartfelt and sincere, will have gone first and foremost to my friend.

He declared his love for her, proposed marriage, business and personal lives intertwined in fullness and trust; deceit and amorality never showing hand until he behaved as I have above described and abandoned her in a moment, minus one bit of remorse or compassion over his actions with her ever expressed.

Empathically connected beings would never behave as has Simon.

I am lineage similar to Simon's. I know the process therein. This was my friend's primary reasoning for connecting me to Simon. I know the lineage.

I am, however, heart encoded, soul aware, a mindful and loving being whose mission sits behind the scenes and lies at ready to do all I can to help human beings remember their magnificence and re-engage their fullness. I have active championing from master teachers of this and other realms, some the very beings Simon lays claim to and denigrates in every manner possible through his false narratives and vile abuses of the persons he claims to help. The help I offer is given through the sacred trust placed in me in eon of association to these beings - I know how this process should be conducted.

I suffered the sorrow my friend dealt with, the abusive tactics and wounds Simon's actions caused her, the demands laid she submit as lesser to his master status, his claims of chord attachment removal and necessary control tactics...the same mundane proffer he apparently offers all his 'clients', scenarios barely differing. The difference for my friend was the help I and others were able to offer her in dealing with this person's abominated status.

I, as stated, have many times felt compelled to give testimony in response to forum posts re Simon. However, I am ever mindful autonomous beings have personal choices to make and the freedom to do so in whatever manner they choose, when they choose. This sacred truth is one to be respected. I have therefore kept silent; we all have our path to travel.

With Simon's recent proffer of apology while disavowing personal responsibility - the daddy made me do it syndrome - I felt compelled to come forward.

I present this story to provide a full and comprehensive angle of view to those who may be contemplating Simon's services.

When one such as Simon, a brother operating from skewed perspective, presents discord and abusive control in guise of help and therapeutic remedy we can be assured we have stumbled upon a disease of a sort which must be avoided to prevent infection.

When honor has been removed from the equation of a process what trust in that process can remain?

I feel an obligation to humans on this world and to their being. I have as duty the need to encourage all who may read this to remember who and what they are as human.

Human souls are outstretched source quanta feeding and nurturing itself in search of gnosis and in such search will encounter all manner of like searchers. This must be understood.

Human souls are brilliant frequency flow weaving and molding reality with every pronouncement of thought. Thought is intricate reality placement. This must be understood.

I encourage all humans to remember no energy, alien or human, shadowed or light's other side, can wrest control of their master structure unless submitted to, permission given. Frightful events and visits from other realm entities can seem insurmountable invasive structure unless we switch gears from victim to experiencer emphatically demanding the unwanted presence remove itself. NO is a powerful germ of control.

From the depths of my being I urge all humans to remember the power within. No thing surmounts the power within the human soul complex.

I thank you for your time, Mr. Ryan.
If you wish to share this mail I request you do not share my name.

If you have questions please let me know.

Thank you for your brilliant and much appreciated work over the years.

My warmest regards,
[name supplied]

[Sierra]

I was waiting for examples of where Simon perpetrated a wrongful harmful act, where he contradicted himself or became psychopathic. But the conjecture seemed to be focused on his history and his counseling efforts of which I have no interest in.

It is as a counselor there are problems. An example:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1077877&viewfull=1#post1077877



:focus: ... please.

The topic of this thread, started by Alberto e Daniela (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999), is how Simon Parkes handles himself in counseling sessions, and how he manages the scheduling and booking of those sessions, with paid clients. That's all.

It potentially affects quite a lot of people who may be at their most vulnerable.

The thread contains specific experiences, that are problematic and concerning, reported by known, real, people, who are forum members. This isn't casual, malevolent, irresponsible innuendo or rumor.

I've been sent a recording of one session, and it's a horror story. Any certified counselor would be banned for life — with no risk of exaggeration — if a formal complaint was made to the certificating authority. In this case, nothing can be done, as Simon isn't qualified or certified.

Of course, I can't and won't share that publicly or privately. It's a little silly, if I may gently say, to ask for that to be posted as 'evidence'. It's for those concerned, and only for those concerned, to share those recordings if they wish or choose. But the session recordings all exist.

This isn't untrue, invented, any kind of a 'smear' or 'attack', or a false malevolent rumor. It is what it is, nothing more or less, and it's merely pretty awful stuff that breaches any counselor's code one might ever conceive of.

[Spellbound]

Admittedly, I haven't read all the Simon threads here at Avalon (there are too many to keep up with). I do apologize of this has been beaten to death, but can someone please explain these accusations involving unprotected sex as part of healing?? Did Simon convince people he counselled to have sex with him?? When I read the sexual innuendo in a few posts here in this thread, admittedly I was a bit lost. Can someone clarify or give me the Coles Notes??

Dave - Toronto

[Hervé]

[...]
... Can someone clarify or give me the Coles Notes??

Dave - Toronto

Honestly: would you trust someone's "notes" or would you rather make up your own mind?

Here is the thread where most of the known complaints have been logged: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor)

[Spellbound]

Thx Herve, I'm aware of that thread and I read the first couple pages of it when it started and as I understand it, he didn't follow through on some things and became unreachable. However, I'm guessing the sexual accusations are a little further down the 350 replies, which I don't really have the time to skim through. That's why I was asking for someone to clarify here what these accusations were as some posters were alluding to it here.

Dave - Toronto

[Daozen]

Hi Dave, there's an advanced search function where I think you can search individual threads. Don't know if it can be used from a phone.

Some of Bill's posts are listed here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096524&viewfull=1#post1096524

[Spellbound]

Thx Daozen,

I'm trying to search the thread that Herve posted but I can't seem to figure it out via the advanced search (typed in unprotected sex and it only came up with posts from this thread). If people prefer not to repeat them, I can respect that. No biggie, I was just curious.

Dave - Toronto

[giovonni]

Sticking a fork in it ...


tough love ...

http://marialourdesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Simon-Parkes.jpg

Who'll Be The Next In Line


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBOcbldaXuE

The Kinks

[Ewan]

Spectrum of helpful vs. the enabler: a part of me asks, "Have I stop them from a growth opportunity by interrupting their process?" Blind compassion may really be a way to prevent the personal hurt I felt in those moments. It’s one of the hardest things to do; be strong enough to allow the other to stumble and figure it out for her/himself.



Just wanted to isolate that sentence Paula and say, 'Yes, yes, yes!'

Some part of you wants to spare them the pain, but deeper down you know the pain is necessary.

[greybeard]

Ultimately you can not speed up or slowdown your progress or someone else's
Its stages---at one point in time I discovered that there was a an ability to heal--I wanted to heal everyone.
Eventually I settled down and realized that if it was the karma of the person to be healed and that to happen through these hands then thats what happened--if it was not supposed to happen then it did not.

Early on a clients cancer made a miraculous disappearance--wow I thought--a few month later a mutual friend told me the former client had died--I thought the cancer had returned but no an aneurysm had killed her.--totally unrelated to cancer.

So relative to the last few posts--If we felt moved to question Simon's integrity then thats what happened--if we felt compassion then that was what we were meant to feel.
If people having read recent posts decide to go see Simon then thats for their growth and Simon's
If they are put off going then equally thats for their growth too.

Who knows what is right or beneficial?

Chris

[Cidersomerset]

[Mod-edit: I removed the remaining off-topic, distracting, derailing content from the post; Hervé]

[RunningDeer]

Hi Dave, there's an advanced search function where I think you can search individual threads. Don't know if it can be used from a phone.
This is the updated list with a link correction of some of Bill's posts:

Alberto e Daniela's Thread: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999)

◦ Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048044&viewfull=1#post1048044)
◦ Post #31 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1048222&viewfull=1#post1048222)
◦ Post #79 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1074679&viewfull=1#post1074679)
◦ Post #90 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1076001&viewfull=1#post1076001)
◦ Post #148* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1077877&viewfull=1#post1077877)
◦ Post #196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1078396&viewfull=1#post1078396)
◦ Post #242 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1080614&viewfull=1#post1080614)
◦ Post #256* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084425&viewfull=1#post1084425)
◦ Post #258 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1084431&viewfull=1#post1084431)
◦ Post #274* (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1085739&viewfull=1#post1085739)
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[Tangri]

Yes Ulli agreed.

I know I have said it before (Several times smiling) but when i posted that Simon was talking and I reversed his name Parks to read Krap, I got visited by a mod, I was reported by a member for voicing that opinion. Also got a PM which I will not going into cept for saying --- "That I should know better than insult a fellow member."
A fellow member to my mind posts on other subjects than just himself.

The mod was quite taken with Simon as a Spiritual guide.
Things have changed
That was quite some time ago but I hope when anyone voices similar sentiments on a new star that some heed is taken.

I did not take it personally Im just making a point.

Chris

You are not alone, with receiving that warning. I received same moderator email "That I should know better than insult a fellow member.". 2 years ago, when I tried to tune some resonance on readers. It was silenced prematuraly before even got little tremor for respond. Maybe there was a cut and paste reply policy in those times.

[greybeard]

Yes Ulli agreed.

I know I have said it before (Several times smiling) but when i posted that Simon was talking and I reversed his name Parks to read Krap, I got visited by a mod, I was reported by a member for voicing that opinion. Also got a PM which I will not going into cept for saying --- "That I should know better than insult a fellow member."
A fellow member to my mind posts on other subjects than just himself.

The mod was quite taken with Simon as a Spiritual guide.
Things have changed
That was quite some time ago but I hope when anyone voices similar sentiments on a new star that some heed is taken.

I did not take it personally Im just making a point.

Chris

You are not alone, with receiving that warning. I received same moderator email "That I should know better than insult a fellow member.". 2 years ago, when I try to tune some resonance on readers. It was silenced prematuraly before even got little tremor for respond. Maybe there was a cut and paste reply policy in those times.
Glad to see your post Tangri
Hopefully longterm members/regular posters/contributors, will be listened to in the future.

I also hope that if Bill interviews a person he does not promote him/her almost as the star of the moment---Im of the nature "Credit where credit is due but lets wait and find out where this goes---neutral in other words" The alternative community would seem to have a "Look what we have found, kind of attitude"

This is my opinion and it may not be that popular, but experience on a forum gives insight as to the way things tend to go--History repeats itself--so it would seem--thing is to learn from it.

Chris
PS
If we want the alternative community to be taken seriously we have to be very careful what we promote or seem to endorse.
The housecleaning that has gone on due to the original thread highlighting Simons behavior has been of great service to Avalon and I hope the rest of the community follows on from this.

Avalon has shown integrity and credibility.

Chris

[Tangri]

Naivety is a core target and evils push it to another engineered disorders which one of it called Willful ignorance (Deliberate ignorance); intentionally ignoring a fact when one has every reason to believe about its existence. When knowledge of existence of a particular fact is an essential part of an offence, such knowledge may be established if the person is aware of a high probability of its existence, unless she,/he actually believes that it does not exist.

Deliberate ignorance may be established when:

1)The person actually knew about a particular fact.

2)The person deliberately closed his/her eyes to what she/he had every reason to believe was the fact.

3)The requisite proof of knowledge on the part of a person cannot be established by merely demonstrating that she/he was negligent, careless or foolish.


PS: Deliberate ignorance can be a crime.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88142-Is-Naivety-a-role-model-for-all-evil-doings&p=1036911&viewfull=1#post1036911

PS : This post was not intent to put in accused position our fellow member which I hope she easily can understand.

[greybeard]

In fairness to Bill, when he interviewed Simon he had no way of knowing what lurked behind the facade.

As far as supporters of Simon go---The ego is very clever and cunning--it would rather kill its host than admit it got it wrong.
People are prepared to die for a belief ---or/and are in total denial of evidence presented.
They truly belief they are standing up for the greatest good of human kind.

Chris

[araucaria]

Sometimes the best of intentions is not enough to reach the wisest position. I think Callista’s contribution from Cosmic Awareness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096600&viewfull=1#post1096600) falls in that category. We are told that on a higher level, souls are fulfilling secret soul agreements working out karmic issues together. I have commented in a number of posts on the economic issues relating to this cosmic accounting system and also in its relation to the religion of debt and redemption, e.g. here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82417-The-Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion-and-a-call-for-a-more-benevolent-leadership&p=966543&viewfull=1#post966543). Joseph Farrell explains it better than I ever could in Financial Vipers of Venice (https://fr.scribd.com/book/251797974/Financial-Vipers-of-Venice-Alchemical-Money-Magical-Physics-and-Banking-in-the-Middle-Ages-and-Renaissance): highly recommended reading.

Taking matters to this higher level is a way of saying: this is how things work, there is no alternative. How very convenient for the perpetrators, who can always say they are only collecting a debt from victims who somehow signed up for it. We only need to pursue the analogy with banking a little further to realize that secret soul agreements sound like private Swiss bank accounts, and that all kinds of crimes and misdemeanours such as are committed by loan sharks, the holders of offshore accounts, money launderers, and banksters of every kind likely have their counterparts on this level. We also note how, even in the absence of criminality, there is still the issue of the money supply and the gap between rich and poor. If karma is purely about solvency, then it fails to provide an answer to issues arising from those on a tiny budget struggling to make ends meet alongside others with a huge cash flow. Hence you get the ‘Holy Sinner’ type (the phrase is by Thomas Mann) like St Augustine of Hippo, who sinned hard before turning into an eminent doctor of the Church. Taken to extremes, the most elevated souls of all would have to have been/become absolute devils: it makes no difference whether it is because they have all this negative karma to redeem or all this positive karma to spend. This is the worst kind of religion where you take your punishment here and now and hope for your reward in some hereafter, which in financial terms amounts to off-the-books transactions, in other words black operations.

Our current financial system is not cast in stone: we can and need to change it. Similarly, karma is not necessarily a cosmic law: it is simply how things work at the moment with the financial and religious system currently in place. This all needs to be changed. I don’t believe for a moment that I for one have ever been evil enough to be able to do all the good I intend to do. Evil on anything like the levels we are seeing is totally unnecessary. It is a question of intelligence and empathy. What, you may ask, has intelligence got to do with empathy? Simply this: if karma is like taking turns on torturing each other, then the more empathy you have to understand the pain you are inflicting, the less pain you will need to suffer in order to understand the value of empathy. The smart thing to do would be to catch on quickly in order to minimize the pain. However, while it would seem pretty dumb to need to go through the whole enchilada of sado-masochism, another form of smartness might be to disbelieve in the entire concept of karma, or even to have invented it in order to keep others in line. This second form of smartness trumps the other, like playing banker to a bunch of docile customers on small incomes with maybe a few savings, a mortgage to pay off and the occasional overdraft, all very manageable and profitable. The next step in this process then is to dismiss individual karma as a mug’s game. Collectively we can do things that might otherwise seem harmful to individual souls. This is where human justice comes in; it has nothing to do with being personally judgemental. We are talking about the full panoply of legislation, complaints reporting, policing, trial and ultimately response, punitive or otherwise. There is nothing personal about this at all; on the contrary, it is one law for all, a line in the sand that you can cross, but no longer undetected.

Karma is not natural, universal law; to use a Greybeardian phrase without getting personal, it is krap and we can skrap it. To claim otherwise is like saying it is a law of physics that iron floats in water, as evidenced by millions of tons of the stuff floating around out oceans. No, iron does not float in water: iron shaped in such a way as to be escorted by a large volume of air floats in water. This air might be seen as mostly captive; if it had consciousness, it might want to mutiny and emit SOS signals to escape from this microcosm built by those serving an iron-first agenda back into the macrocosm which has a true law stating that air is free to soar wherever it wants. The heaviest form of earth, the heavy element, has harnessed the lightest, air so as to bend the rules; the tail of materialism wagging the dog of spiritualism. Transposing this analogy to entities with individual and collective willpower, we could say that, similarly, evil has risen from the depths and harnessed good in a way that bends the natural laws locally, but only locally; the ‘law’ of karma is at best a byelaw. Evil then is no more than a parasite masquerading as a universal equal to good, or even more powerful.

Hence, when I refer to legislation, it is to the relatively insignificant matter of repealing a byelaw. We do this collectively at the spiritual level, which then filters down to the material level. This means that what until now was allowed has become unacceptable to the point where it has got to stop. From now on (new legislation is usually not retroactive), the karmic fat cats are going to pay their taxes.

This goes way beyond the individual case of someone like Simon Parkes. It doesn’t matter one jot where he actually fits into this broader picture, and it is entirely up to him where he goes from here. But he needs to know that while possibly disclosing information to others, most of all information is being disclosed to him, namely that the situation has changed. I mentioned complaints reporting and policing. What we are seeing on Avalon and elsewhere is that victims are finally getting a hearing: they are being taken seriously as victims, and accordingly coming forward in numbers. They are no longer being treated as perpetrators, who ‘asked for it’ (as rape victims are told) because they allegedly signed up for it through a ‘soul agreement’. As Groucho Marx said in a more flippant context, that verbal agreement is not worth the paper it is written on. Bring me evidence that will stand up in an earth court where the case is being heard. We need to read the fine print in order to test the validity of that contract. Until you can do that, either willingly or unwillingly (the choice is yours), you will abide by the current human laws of this planet, a planet to which you are presumably bound by a soul agreement to honour and respect; otherwise, regardless of race or colour, you are an unwelcome alien here on false pretences and will be asked to leave.

To sum up my disagreement with the Cosmic Awareness material, which is substantive, i.e. not related to its status as channelling, it talks with considerable wisdom, but in individual terms, whereas I see things from the collective standpoint. The analogy of the garden (looking after one’s own garden and not criticizing other people’s) overlooks this collective aspect. Most disputes are not over gardens per se, but over the no man’s land interface of high fences and walls and overgrown hedges; or if it is their content, it is from the broader perspective of a neighbourhood as a whole. In either case, the notion of individual gardens operating entirely independently is seen to be invalid. These boundary conflicts become irrelevant when we consider the earth as a single planetwide garden we all have to tend together. We do have a right and even a duty to react to what others are doing; but since we do so in a spirit of harmonization, it makes no sense to do so in a manner other than in a spirit of harmony.

[onawah]

Good food for thought, Araucaria.
Excusing bad behavior because of past karma or soul contracts is not wisdom at all.
Forgiveness and rising above crimes committed on oneself is certainly an option.
Not that bad behavior does not have to be addressed and prevented.
But if you understand karma at all, it is clear that heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense, particularly when it is done in the manner of an angry mob.
In that case, quite simply, the medium is the message.

[Sierra]

Good food for thought, Araucaria. Heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense, particularly when it is done in the manner of an angry mob.
Quite simply, the medium IS the message.

Onawah, we have not been heaping abuse as an angry mob. We've been reporting multiple statements from unrelated people in unrelated locations, building a consistent picture of Simon's abuse of clients. As I said earlier, the odds that people with no prior knowledge of each other sat down to coordinate stories to "get" Simon does not compute.

We report the issue to protect members, and guest readers from similar sexual and emotional abuse. Having read the material presented, one can choose from a place of knowledge whether to play with Simon or to avoid Simon. There is nothing wrong with being able to make one's free will choice based on a clear(er) understanding of Simon's issues.

Please quit manipulating language to make those who disagree with your perspective appear as out to get Simon. It does your cause no good, and makes you appear quite biased. It does Simon no good either that we must constantly reiterate the evidence of his dysfunctional behavior in response to your attempts to convince/picture otherwise. You may actually block his growth when you direct your energies to denial and justification rather than self examination. This is not the way of a true friend.

Thread after thread, and no progress made, yes? While I no longer expect you to acknowledge there are valid concerns brought up by multiple testimonies, I wish you would understand you damage your relationships (and reputation) with other members by repeatedly crying wolf, wolf, by repeatedly ignoring what members have to say as being of no relevance.

I am not going to shut up Onawah. It's not personal. It's my duty as a moderator and I truly do not enjoy it. What are you getting out of beating this very dead horse? I have long considered myself your friend, I am your friend, I want to be your friend. A friendship without respect for truth, and integrity though, will not bear good fruit.

I think most people would love to drop the subject but as long as you continue to drive an agenda that ignores the evidence, you will trigger corrections by those who do not wish to hear reports from future victims.

We have expressed real and valid concerns, and you may ignore the evidence exposed till the cows come home, and the evidence will still be there. We can see it.

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This goes way beyond the individual case of someone like Simon Parkes. It doesn’t matter one jot where he actually fits into this broader picture, and it is entirely up to him where he goes from here. But he needs to know that while possibly disclosing information to others, most of all information is being disclosed to him, namely that the situation has changed. I mentioned complaints reporting and policing. What we are seeing on Avalon and elsewhere is that victims are finally getting a hearing: they are being taken seriously as victims, and accordingly coming forward in numbers. They are no longer being treated as perpetrators, who ‘asked for it’ (as rape victims are told) because they allegedly signed up for it through a ‘soul agreement’.

To sum up my disagreement with the Cosmic Awareness material, it talks with considerable wisdom, but in individual terms, whereas I see things from the collective standpoint.

These boundary conflicts become irrelevant when we consider the earth as a single planetwide garden we all have to tend together. We do have a right and even a duty to react to what others are doing; but since we do so in a spirit of harmonization, it makes no sense to do so in a manner other than in a spirit of harmony.

Ara: Very interesting idea. I can kind of get behind the concept. I'm sure you have heard of the Judeo Year of Jubilee, when a vast reset takes place every 75 years, ancestral property sold/stolen/wasted/lost/gambled away returns to the family line. All debts wiped away. A clean slate to return/build/increase the family vineyards, the ancestral home. Not that the mandatory resets EVER took place, and only the intelligent rested their crop lands every seven years as required by Torah law.

It also ties in with the current theory that we are in the time of choice, a division according to one beingness where some souls continue in the current extremely polarized environment and others move on (Hopi Rock Prophecy). If it is graduation day, karma in the form of karmic report cards to continue the current analogy, are meaningless. You are either clutching a diploma or not.

[Callista]

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M6a211251c398534bbdd250f6d2e22439o0&w=300&h=141&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0

[Spellbound]

I kinda figured that because Bill interviewed Simon a few years ago that therefore Bill endorsed him (for lack of a better word). However, as Greybeard has pointed out, Bill would have had now way of knowing what he was about behind the curtain. Everyone was jumping on the Simon train back then...and some folks continue to jump on with repeated interviews (ie-Kerry). I guess in cases such as this, it's best to see what shakes out over time before believing the talking heads.

Dave - Toronto

[Hervé]

There used to be a disclaimer on project Camelot v.1.0:



Disclaimer
About researchers and whistleblowers :
We, Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan, do not necessarily agree with or endorse all of the views presented here. What Camelot is about is the investigation into the mysteries that surround us. We are all, in a sense, investigators of our world. And while we, as individuals, may not agree with everything presented on our site, we fully support freedom of thought and speech as well as the Quest for truth. 31 December 2008

[Spellbound]

Well put, Herve. Sometimes we lose sight of that disclaimer (I know I do sometimes).

Dave - Toronto

[LindyLou22]

Let me see if I have this correct: Daozen says this is not a policing action. We're all equals
and should speak freely, unless you happen to be Onawah who should have "stepped down."

And the moderators have NO DESIRE to be thought police, yet the end result of all this is censorhip.





This is not a policing action. This is a round table of equals, where some of us are speaking in support of Simon, others against him, others neutral. If moderators were to get involved, it would demean the whole discussion. They are here to provide a platform, and only intervene when necessary. The Parksists asked for the other thread to be closed. It was closed. Now we're on a new thread.

Avalonians are forgiving and mild mannered in general, and this is cynically being used against them. Simon, Onawah and others were given dozens of chances to calmly step down, they decided not to.

Our justice system has failed us, diplomatic means have been exhausted. Our last resort is open, public discourse. No honest person should be afraid of that.

I say let everyone speak freely.

Agreed. I/we/moderators have no desire to be the thought police.


Yes Ulli agreed.

I know I have said it before (Several times smiling) but when i posted that Simon was talking and I reversed his name Parks to read Krap, I got visited by a mod, I was reported by a member for voicing that opinion. Also got a PM which I will not going into cept for saying --- "That I should know better than insult a fellow member."
A fellow member to my mind posts on other subjects than just himself.

The mod was quite taken with Simon as a Spiritual guide.
Things have changed
That was quite some time ago but I hope when anyone voices similar sentiments on a new star that some heed is taken.

I did not take it personally Im just making a point.

Chris

And thank you for that. :)

Herein is the REAL lesson. No more stars, no more chasing after stars, no more happily parking one's brains at the door, no more platforms of religious awe propping up wanna be's, please.


I much prefer the company of equals.

[Flash]

Chris, What you are saying below here is pretty much balanced imo.

To be warned that some had very rough encounters with Simon or felt/lived abuse in any ways is fine, it is a warning. Then it is up to us to see what our destiny is.

However, Simon is not all black or white. Lots of grey zones.

In fact, when I was looking for help for my daughter, with a question literally of life or death, he was the only one who extended a practical hand, down in the daily doings, to help - and believe me, he had no personal benefits from it.

And it worked, my daughter needed this kind of attention and caring as a father would. The content at this point is not as important as the attitude of those involved, feeling the care and support, that is what she needed.

I am not talking of love here, I have no idea if he is capable of it. But for some, he definitely cares enough to give a hand, telling in advance the hand will have an end, which he does, he ends it.

I had asked many here what they thought of him at the time, few years back, because I was worried and could never fully trust. His stories seemed quite exceptional, and I needed confirmation or warnings from other parties. I must now say some of his info was on the spot.

However, some of you, telling now here on the forum they had a hint that something was wrong about him at that time, were precisely telling me at that same time in the past (there is more than one member who did that)that I should not judge, that I should get the help, that it was fine.

Others were kind of jealous for me and daughter contacting him and having a response, because they wanted the same and did not get it. And now are adamant at punching back.

How come you did not share your own thinking then, knowing a child was involved? Or have you forgotten?

Simon's technique is weird to say the least, I do not approve of the fear creating part and certainly not of the manipulations I heard about here.

But.... it is not all black and white, for some, it did help.

Having had the warnings I now have, I would never had gotten in contact with him and god knows what would have happened to my daughter. He truly was the only practical help I got at the time, so that I could sleep a bit and myself help my daughter further as well.

For a good six months, in my night time (his daytime), he helped. Free of charge. And then he went for a year, on and off, during some upheavals (when it comes to teenagers, he is quite down to earth and protective - definitely not pedophile, he would not touch a 14-15-16 years old).
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Is is a psychopath? Well, he has many traits for sure. And some other traits that could not be defined as such. So...

As a woman, I was on guard around him, I learned to be on guard as a woman (blonde, blue eyes and pretty) when I worked a full year in Mexico and he rang my "on guard" bell pretty much.

Therefore nothing happened, he is polite and distance himself when we show a cold shoulder.

Did I believe everything he would tell? No, I did not. Therefore the cross checking at all times.

Did he unwillingly forced me to have a speed learning in dracology and satanistlogy and illumatilogy. Yes definitely, I never took for granted what I was told. Even when I was quite vulnerable myself. So I researched.

Therefore, I think there is lessons to be learned for all parties and we should be grateful for the lessons learned.

WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT THE REALITIES OF FALSEHOOD, LIES, DECEIT EXIST BEFORE WE CAN LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH IT. And Simon brings us in the core of it from all sides.

And one way to deal with it is A

DEFINITE, FOCUSED, TOTALLY INTENTIONAL NOOOOO. WITH NO REMNANT OF FEAR LEFT IN US. OUR TOTAL RIGHT TO SAY NOOOOO TO THESE FORCES SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS OUR RIGHT AND WILLFULL LOVING INTENT. For the good of all.

It seems now that I am the one getting the "cold" shower from some forum members and maybe some mods because I am not totally of the same opinion as most, despite the fact that in some definite parts, I do agree with "not using the vulnerables for one's own benefits" and "be aware and warned about psychopaths/sociopaths".

Now, from my own point of view, in forums and on the web, after a few years of it, I came to the belief that 80% is crap to start with and that we have to weed out to find the truth, which is absolutely beautiful and helpful when we find it, so it is worth the trip and the efforts.

This last attitude is, by the way, the attitude of most 20 years old youngsters I have around in the house as well, they are learning to weed out the crap at an early age.

And know that if you deal with anything that is deemed "reptilian", you should expect weird talks, weird knowledge and also to be expected to pay back in many different forms (one just had to refuse, say no). Same with illuminatis and 20% + of the population who got trapped in this form of thinking (about 4% being uncorrigible-not changeable psychopaths).

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Araucaria

your description of karma is very interesting, thank you.<

To me, Karma is correcting the unbalance (which often creates pain and destruction) you have created, as an individual, as a group or as a nation or as a planet. It can be what you have created in present and potentially past lifes. Period. No more. That is karma. Having the courage to rebalance.

It is certainly not submitting to more of it. Yes it is recognising the victimized, helping if possible, but not submitting to it, not getting into the world archetype leading to endless drama (victim, perpetrator, savior drama). I have been victimized, but I am not a victim, I own enough inner strenght to get out of this global archetype with the whole universe collaborating with me on this.


A big huge NO to this drama and everyone pushing for more of it.

Therefore, stopping Simon or anyone else from using the vulnerables who could easily dip into this drama is a must. On the other hand, waking up these who feel/are victimized to own their inner strenght is also a must.

Both dance together.

A big fat NO to all of it.





Ultimately you can not speed up or slowdown your progress or someone else's
Its stages---at one point in time I discovered that there was a an ability to heal--I wanted to heal everyone.
Eventually I settled down and realized that if it was the karma of the person to be healed and that to happen through these hands then thats what happened--if it was not supposed to happen then it did not.

Early on a clients cancer made a miraculous disappearance--wow I thought--a few month later a mutual friend told me the former client had died--I thought the cancer had returned but no an aneurysm had killed her.--totally unrelated to cancer.

So relative to the last few posts--If we felt moved to question Simon's integrity then thats what happened--if we felt compassion then that was what we were meant to feel.
If people having read recent posts decide to go see Simon then thats for their growth and Simon's
If they are put off going then equally thats for their growth too.

Who knows what is right or beneficial?

Chris

[AutumnW]

Lindylou,

Has Onawah been silenced in some way?

[AutumnW]

Flash,

Simon helped your daughter. That's a good thing. I don't mean to grill you or cross examine you, in any way here, I am just curious about the motivations someone like Simon might have had to get as involved as he did, with your teen age daughter. I can't imagine anybody who has admittedly attacked women (emotionally) would volunteer all that time and energy to someone out of the goodness of their hearts. Do you think that he might have been grooming her, or attempting to groom her?

[greybeard]

Hi Flash I am glad that you got the help needed from Simon.
I cant help but think that if it was not Simon some one else would have appeared to help you and your daughter.

I think it is a matter of choice but you need to know full well, as best possible, what the choices entail---in other words what you are letting yourself in for.
No one is fully this or that angel or sinner.

I have a challenge accepting that any "sane" person is outright evil and that is a generality---not pointing at anyone specific.

Good can come from the most unlikely places/people.
The main thing, Flash, is that you and your daughter got what was needed with a good result.

Different strokes for different folks

I dont have a challenge with Onawah ---she is being consistently true to her own light.

Best wishes to all concerned.

Chris

[Flash]

No I do not think so. And seeing the results a few years later, if he would have tried, it definitely did not succeed. lolllll I have a very strong young woman here by now.

But he did not try. He told and behave with what he believed, which is quite weird, but did not try to groom anyone, I would have seen it. I have a keen eye for sociopaths due to tough life experience. And I was watchfull.

He also softly managed to slowly convince her to let go of an excessively bad boyfriend she had afterwards by putting her up, higher than him, her having to stand on her own inner knowing and develop her own strenght instead of bending to him. His wording and ways were not traditional to say the least, but not harmful. Being told that you have high energies, are a Pleiadian, and have to keep those energies up and ask others to reach to it, instead of you going down to their lower destructive energies such as reptilians ones, helped her tremendously not to accept the worst this boyfriend wanted of her. And of course, I also supported anything she would say or do that was positive for her. She now says that this is all crap, reptilians/pleiadians/whatever, but nevertheless, it did help when she needed it.

I do think that he helped because he had a kind of compassion towards my daughter, maybe he had similar problems with his own daughter when she was younger, and he cared for his daughter pretty much, so he did for mine.

You see Autumn, the problem is precisely this: you think it is all black or all white. And it is not, it is grey.

You can't believe that people can be excessively bad at some point/places, and not at others. With psychopaths or those with strong tendencies, we have to keep a watchful eye at all times, but this does not mean they will harm at all times. I do think that Simon, with a very difficult past, is trying to do good, while having huge traces of being bad, from this life of past lifes. Turning around must be excessively difficult. I am glad if my daughter helped in this, unknowingly, if she did.

As for me, as a woman, that would have been totally different.




Flash,

Simon helped your daughter. That's a good thing. I don't mean to grill you or cross examine you, in any way here, I am just curious about the motivations someone like Simon might have had to get as involved as he did, with your teen age daughter. I can't imagine anybody who has admittedly attacked women (emotionally) would volunteer all that time and energy to someone out of the goodness of their hearts. Do you think that he might have been grooming her, or attempting to groom her?

[AutumnW]

Flash, you are correct that I see Simon in black and white terms. It's easier that way. When someone repeatedly crosses a moral line, their good deeds recede into the distance. I have a hard time believing he had no ulterior motives where your daughter was concerned but respect your take on the specifics there, as you experienced him first hand and by all the posts you have written about your life, I know you are an excellent mother.

[Shannon]

Let me see if I have this correct: Daozen says this is not a policing action. We're all equals
and should speak freely, unless you happen to be Onawah who should have "stepped down."

No one is censoring onawah. It's very obvious by the many posts and threads she has made concerning Simon.

What may look like censorship to you, is basically those of us here saying ENOUGH.

[onawah]

With respect, Sierra, I never implied "that people with no prior knowledge of each other sat down to coordinate stories to 'get' Simon", nor did I say that others' statements were irrelevant, nor did I claim that there were no valid concerns.
My point has always been the same.
We know that the elite will hire people or mind control people to do their bidding, including lying and obfuscation, and so proof of allegations need to be substantial and verifiable, not just numerous. If anyone wanted to, numerous positive testimonials could also be provided here.

I have no desire to keep on rehashing this issue either; my last post was only meant to focus on the points which I mentioned in that post.
I wrote:
"Excusing bad behavior because of past karma or soul contracts is not wisdom at all.
Forgiveness and rising above crimes committed oneself is certainly an option."
Which was, to my mind, in agreement with what Araucaria wrote, which was:
We do have a right and even a duty to react to what others are doing; but since we do so in a spirit of harmonization, it makes no sense to do so in a manner other than in a spirit of harmony.
If you have a problem with that, Sierra, please say why.
I also wrote:

Not that bad behavior does not have to be addressed and prevented.
Was there something you objected to in that statement, Sierra? It seems to me to be in agreement with your own.
I am assuming this statement is what you object to:

But if you understand karma at all, it is clear that heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense, particularly when it is done in the manner of an angry mob.
In that case, quite simply, the medium is the message.
That was expanding on what I think Araucaria was saying, and from my perspective, and some other members here, I believe, much of what has been directed at me has registered in that way, as an angry mob, taking your anger out on me because of the things that you object to about Simon, perhaps because you have no access to him and because he refuses to come back to Avalon to address the charges that have been laid against him.
My main objection all along has been that you think I am defending him, when in fact, what I object to is the manner in which he has been attacked, and in which I have been misrepresented and misunderstood.
Many seem to think that because I was courteous with Simon when he was a member here, it was because I was a follower when in fact it was because I intuited that he would not continue to share here if he didn't feel that he was getting at least enough support to merit courtesy, and because I thought it would be good to find out what he knew, if anything, and especially what he might not want us to know, which we might be able to determine if we asked the right questions.
The things you accuse me of, such as manipulating language, etc. to make Simon appear innocent, etc. I don't feel are true.
In fact, I think some of what I have written has been taken out of context and badly twisted and most often simply ignored.
I do not deny that Simon has probably behaved badly, unprofessionally, and in some cases abusively.
I have never tried to portray him as a saint, I have never been his follower, and I have never had direct communication with him other than through this forum and one request that I passed along to him through Becky.
I was actually advised by Simon's friends not to feed the fire here with any comments at all, and that was probably good advice which I tried to follow, but it bothered me the way that a minority of members sometimes get ganged up on here on Avalon when the majority of people don't agree, and when proof of guilt is considered adequate backed up by evidence that is not very substantial.
Which goes beyond anything to do with Simon's character or credibility, but has everything to do with the way that Avalon operates at times, and there has been a pattern of that with other whistleblowers in the past, when things get very hostile here.
I have pointed out that as a whistleblower, Simon has put a lot of information out there that people have felt they needed to hear.
As with all whistleblowers, some agree that at least some of his information has been useful, some think it's all claptrap.
As we know, there's often some of both in whistleblower info.
But as with David Wilcock and others, Simon has a huge and growing audience beyond the parameters of Avalon who are listening and networking with each other and trying to create positive change, while, at the same time, there have been attacks.
We don't know for certain, but some of those attacks on him may have come in the form of lies or obfuscation devised by the elite who would like to silence him, which to his audience's eyes, can either makes him seem all the more credible or all the more guilty, depending on how they might be predisposed to believe.
Whether he does what he does out of ego or out of a genuine desire to help or some of both, I cannot say, but he has close friends who are not stupid people who think he is not a bad person, and many more people, from the accounts of people in the Connecting Consciousness organization, who say they have been helped by him either directly or via his information.
How that all balances out on the karmic scale of justice, none of us are really able to know for sure.
As one member pointed out, we are mostly working with one tool, the internet, which leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to accuracy.
Where I agree with everyone who would like me to shut up is that I think this controversy has been very good and will most likely help convince Simon and others like him that people are watching closely, and so they need to be genuine and truthful or expect to be confronted.
But I also think that the accusations need to be more substantial to be convincing enough to have much weight.
And if there is more substantial proof, then I hope it will be forthcoming.
I have had a very hard time believing a lot of what Simon has said too, and it is one of the reasons why I continued to ask him so many questions when he was a member of the forum, which it seems clear is one of the reasons that he left.
I agree, he probably wanted followers here more than people who were trying to figure out if what he was saying was based on anything real, and if he had real proof.
His proof has also been pretty flimsy, and possibly fabricated.
No one has gone to the trouble to record all his predictions, etc. and followed up to see how many were accurate, though we have seen a modest amount of that.
It would be great if there were more.

But no doubt these statements are just going to loose another barrage of criticisms.
So I am going to make a promise here that I will never make another remark about Simon on this forum, and hopefully save us all a lot of time and trouble.
In any case, I am much more interested in what is going on with vaccines, with chemtrails, with the political scene, with weather warfare, and other more important issues, and if I would like to continue posting here valid information that I find elsewhere which I think belongs here, and that's really about all I realistically have time for these days.
I think that Avalon provides a very good service in that way, though I also think we need improvement in others.
I am more than ready for a ticket off this merry go round!




Good food for thought, Araucaria. Heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense, particularly when it is done in the manner of an angry mob.
Quite simply, the medium IS the message.

Onawah, we have not been heaping abuse as an angry mob. We've been reporting multiple statements from unrelated people in unrelated locations, building a consistent picture of Simon's abuse of clients. As I said earlier, the odds that people with no prior knowledge of each other sat down to coordinate stories to "get" Simon does not compute.

We report the issue to protect members, and guest readers from similar sexual and emotional abuse. Having read the material presented, one can choose from a place of knowledge whether to play with Simon or to avoid Simon. There is nothing wrong with being able to make one's free will choice based on a clear(er) understanding of Simon's issues.

Please quit manipulating language to make those who disagree with your perspective appear as out to get Simon. It does your cause no good, and makes you appear quite biased. It does Simon no good either that we must constantly reiterate the evidence of his dysfunctional behavior in response to your attempts to convince/picture otherwise. You may actually block his growth when you direct your energies to denial and justification rather than self examination. This is not the way of a true friend.

Thread after thread, and no progress made, yes? While I no longer expect you to acknowledge there are valid concerns brought up by multiple testimonies, I wish you would understand you damage your relationships (and reputation) with other members by repeatedly crying wolf, wolf, by repeatedly ignoring what members have to say as being of no relevance.

I am not going to shut up Onawah. It's not personal. It's my duty as a moderator and I truly do not enjoy it. What are you getting out of beating this very dead horse? I have long considered myself your friend, I am your friend, I want to be your friend. A friendship without respect for truth, and integrity though, will not bear good fruit.

I think most people would love to drop the subject but as long as you continue to drive an agenda that ignores the evidence, you will trigger corrections by those who do not wish to hear reports from future victims.

We have expressed real and valid concerns, and you may ignore the evidence exposed till the cows come home, and the evidence will still be there. We can see it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


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This goes way beyond the individual case of someone like Simon Parkes. It doesn’t matter one jot where he actually fits into this broader picture, and it is entirely up to him where he goes from here. But he needs to know that while possibly disclosing information to others, most of all information is being disclosed to him, namely that the situation has changed. I mentioned complaints reporting and policing. What we are seeing on Avalon and elsewhere is that victims are finally getting a hearing: they are being taken seriously as victims, and accordingly coming forward in numbers. They are no longer being treated as perpetrators, who ‘asked for it’ (as rape victims are told) because they allegedly signed up for it through a ‘soul agreement’.

To sum up my disagreement with the Cosmic Awareness material, it talks with considerable wisdom, but in individual terms, whereas I see things from the collective standpoint.

These boundary conflicts become irrelevant when we consider the earth as a single planetwide garden we all have to tend together. We do have a right and even a duty to react to what others are doing; but since we do so in a spirit of harmonization, it makes no sense to do so in a manner other than in a spirit of harmony.

Ara: Very interesting idea. I can kind of get behind the concept. I'm sure you have heard of the Judeo Year of Jubilee, when a vast reset takes place every 75 years, ancestral property sold/stolen/wasted/lost/gambled away returns to the family line. All debts wiped away. A clean slate to return/build/increase the family vineyards, the ancestral home. Not that the mandatory resets EVER took place, and only the intelligent rested their crop lands every seven years as required by Torah law.

It also ties in with the current theory that we are in the time of choice, a division according to one beingness where some souls continue in the current extremely polarized environment and others move on (Hopi Rock Prophecy). If it is graduation day, karma in the form of karmic report cards to continue the current analogy, are meaningless. You are either clutching a diploma or not.

[araucaria]

Good food for thought, Araucaria. (...)
But if you understand karma at all, it is clear that heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense.
Thank you Onawah, but you seem to have missed my point about karma, which I said was crap; or more politely, it is... spiritually correct. Since from the viewpoint of eternity, karma is by definition a zero sum game, it all comes out in the wash, so I’ll be nice some other time and meanwhile I can do as I please. This means that in terms of karma, heaping abuse makes perfect sense even from a positive standpoint; except that, as Sierra points out, that is not what is happening here. If karma sums to zero, it can safely be ignored not just by evildoers, but equally by those doing good. I don’t care what my current karma rating is, any more than I care how enlightened I am becoming. We are eternally enlightened and are supposed to be having fun pretending otherwise. If only a tiny minority are having fun at everyone else’s expense, then it is time to try something different.


However, Simon is not all black or white. Lots of grey zones.

In fact, when I was looking for help for my daughter, with a question literally of life or death, he was the only one who extended a practical hand, down in the daily doings, to help - and believe me, he had no personal benefits from it.

And it worked, my daughter needed this kind of attention and caring as a father would. The content at this point is not as important as the attitude of those involved, feeling the care and support, that is what she needed.
(...)
Araucaria

your description of karma is very interesting, thank you.<

To me, Karma is correcting the unbalance (which often creates pain and destruction) you have created, as an individual, as a group or as a nation or as a planet. It can be what you have created in present and potentially past lifes. Period. No more. That is karma. Having the courage to rebalance.

It is certainly not submitting to more of it. Yes it is recognising the victimized, helping if possible, but not submitting to it, not getting into the world archetype leading to endless drama (victim, perpetrator, savior drama). I have been victimized, but I am not a victim, I own enough inner strenght to get out of this global archetype with the whole universe collaborating with me on this.

A big huge NO to this drama and everyone pushing for more of it.

Thank you Flash. Yes, balance is simply telling yourself or someone else when you start veering off course: no big deal if you do something about it; in microdoses, it is actually the basis of friendship, and the conflict only creeps in when you ignore the micro-adjustments and veer too far apart. You end up with cowboys and Indians and endless conflict. Simon is not the devil incarnate: like anyone else, you can tell him, ‘please don’t do this, or don’t do that, but otherwise you’re probably doing OK’. The scale of ‘this’ or ‘that’ can vary, the important thing is that they listen when you say no; for that, it has to be a two-way dialogue. One of the most inspirational examples I can think of as to how to deal with this type of situation is provided by Anna Breytenbach, see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=960937&viewfull=1#post960937).

I remember being a little concerned with your visit to England, but feeling on the whole that you knew what you were doing. This was my reason for asking for feedback directly from Mini Flash, in her native French to make her feel comfortable. I quote her reply below, saying that it was a super beautiful experience she would never forget, that England is a beautiful country well worth a visit and that Simon is a good and extraordinary person she will keep close to her heart, along with his cats. As a mere friendly poster, I felt I had got all the reassurance I needed: I don’t think Mini Flash would have responded in this happy, spontaneous way if there had been anything much amiss.



voici une video assez drole sur les dessins animés japonais pour filles! Si vous conaissez pas, vous allez apprendre grace a cette vidéo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk110_eoTKg
coucou Mini Flash
Je vois que tu prends bien soin de ta maman.
Il paraît que vous êtes allées en Angleterre voir Simon toutes les deux. Tu pourrais peut-être nous raconter tes impressions du vieux continent et des chats de Simon, il en a combien déjà? D'autres choses encore?

Oui j'ai été visité Simon :D ! C'est une super belle expérience! Je n'oublirais jamais! Simon est quelqu'un de bien et extraordinaire.
J'ai profité de cet occasion pour visiter l'Angleterre et un peu l'Irlande. J'était surprise de voir a quel point l'Irlande ressemblait au Québec! J'ai adoré voir l'Anglettere! Les paysages sont tellement beaux et j'adore leur accent! Je suggère fortement de visiter ce pays :)
Pour les chats de Simon.. Je ne me rappelle plus du nombre de chats qu'il a.. Mais il en a beaucoup! LOL Ils sont tous mignons a leur propre façon.
En tout cas, je n'oublirais jamais ce voyage. De plus, Simon et ses chats resteront toujours dans mon coeur :)

[LindyLou22]

I've only peripherally followed Simon Parkes, but just by reading through a few thread from the past couple days, it's obvious to me that he's under intense spiritual attack. And some members of this forum are part of that attack. One thing about the human race, we love to judge. Sometimes we even judge for others. And on the basis of high morality, no less.

Here, consider this:

I'm having a situation with ECETI Ranch. Ashli there has been running teleconferences that sound extremely interesting. I ordered several recordings of those and paid for them back in July. I still haven't received those. In fact I've sent several emails to Ashli with no response back at all. I've called the ranch at least 3 times and will probably do so again today. Nada.

They apparently are all too busy to honor the promise that those recordings will be sent out within 48 hours -- or at all! Yes, I know they have conferences, and they have lots of visitors plus an actual ranch with animals to run.

I'm not real happy about this, but do I think everyone should stop listening to James or posting about the ECETI Ranch? HELL NO!

They've screwed me, but much of their message is still valid. People are still possibly getting some good information and fun times from this group. Who am I to try to stop that just because they haven't met their obligations to me? Do I think they're immoral? No, just flaky. Still, I'm out my money and frustrated that they ignore me.

Contrast this to the recent Simon Parkes dust-up.

The nature of following alternative information is that it requires discernment. Between mind control, multiple personalities, and just being wrong sometimes, it's up to the reader to be discerning. Whenever there comes along a commenter that tells me I should never listen to anything one of these personalities has to say, I'm always suspicious. Why shouldn't I listen? What is it that you think I should miss?

I saw Pathwalker post an interesting follow-up to an interview with SP that seemed to be fairly well received here. However, this time, the thread started to get negative comments. Seemed like a few people didn't want anyone to listen to SP. They were politely asked to take their comments to another thread so that discussion could ensue.

Some of the people who trollishly derailed the thread were surprising. I was more than slightly taken aback as the trolls become more strident and more insulting to members who wished to hear this information.

I expected the objectivity of the mods to come through, and that they would separate the "you can't talk about this because Simon is bad" posts into the critical thread that was made just for this.

Didn't happen. Instead, the mods piled right on, and targeted Onawah.

That's disgusting to me.

Then the us versus them. "The Parkes camp." "You can start a discussion group."

Some people were asking the trolls to go away, but no, they were going to stay and make it impossible to discuss the information. They know better. They must save us from ourselves. In this whole, huge forum with thousands of threads, their choice is to remain on a thread and disrespectfully impose their own judgment on others.

Moderator Shannon, upon being called upon to do her job, once again disrespects the requests for her to actually moderate the discussion, elevates herself to the savior of all of us who MUST warn us again and again and again about SP because we are all just too stupid, and she is the decider. Where have we heard that before?

So, Paul says, The moderators have concluded that the Avalon forum should no longer provide a place for threads that are supportive of Simon Parkes.

Then we all go over to the Simon Parkes bitchfest thread, where straight up Paul gets pissy to someone who questions whether Bill was in on this. After saying that the MODERATORs have concluded, etc.

Not very objective.

Enter the anonymous letter. Whilst speaking of moral integrity and how people treat each other, a letter sniping at Simon Parkes -- all "feeling" mind you, no real facts -- says this about a couple of long-time members: Onawah and Agate, holy mother of everything, how blind can some people be?

Holy mother of everything? Not just a little manipulative.

All I saw in Onawah's posts were asking to be able to freely discuss information without the trolls.

But the letter goes on and on.

Onawah in-particular is really the worst. She is obvioulsy being used as a puppet to convey points and debate by someone very close to simon.

This is being said to suppress the viewpoint of an excellent member. Empty accusations and then saying how obvious it is. The only obvious thing here is total bull**** that people are agreeing with. Puppets indeed.


Lets be honest here folks.

Lets cut the nonsense shall we

Pure con-artistry and manipulation. You and me, we're the smart ones. We know better, don't we. See it my way, and you're better and smarter.

And how many people fell for it.

And while claiming the moral high ground, congratulating yourselves for treating people so well while you're dumping on Onawah, who was doing nothing NOTHING more than asking to speak in an open forum without self-appointed trolls saying the same message over and over and over.

Then the post out of the blue about Cosmic Awareness and Callista? What was that in response to?

I'll tell you right now that it was a jab against restraining your judgment. God forbid anyone should expect you to tone down your judgment, after all you're having a field day with it. You can judge Simon on the flimsiest, opinionated material. Then you can call other members of the forum "parksists" or "pro-Parkes," and then you can judge them too.

All while publishing an opinion piece that attempts to destroy the reputation of a good member.

And you people follow that and agree with it??

These moderators have totally lost my respect. I've withdrawn my financial support for this site. And for absolute sure I'm going to spend more time listening to Simon Parkes to hear whatever information somebody is trying so hard to suppress.

Sad day.

[Hervé]

[...]
... it bothered me the way that a minority of members sometimes get ganged up on here on Avalon when the majority of people don't agree, and when proof of guilt is considered adequate backed up by evidence that is not very substantial.
[...]

Onawah, it does seem like you do enjoy worrying that bone (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096544&viewfull=1#post1096544), don't you?

None of us are going to shut up while you keep belittling "TESTIMONIES" and dismissing them as "unsubstantiated hearsay."

My guess is that's why even your friends are asking you to bury that bone for good or to step down off of that argument and quit fueling the fire.

[LindyLou22]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

In fairness, Paul, if there's any fairness to be had here, your last post on the SP update thread specifically stated that the moderators had made the decision.

[LindyLou22]

[...]
... it bothered me the way that a minority of members sometimes get ganged up on here on Avalon when the majority of people don't agree, and when proof of guilt is considered adequate backed up by evidence that is not very substantial.
[...]

Onawah, it does seem like you do enjoy worrying that bone, don't you?

None of us are going to shut up while you keep belittling "TESTIMONIES" and dismissing them as "unsubstantiated hearsay."

My guess is that's why even your friends are asking you to bury that bone for good or to step down off of that argument and quit fueling the fire.


I agree with Onawah, and I'm flabbergasted that so many otherwise thinking people have jumped on the bandwagon that these unsubstantiated opinion pieces are gospel. You're saying you're not going to shut up while attempting to manipulate Onawah into shutting up. It's like you guys have been hacked, I don't recognize you anymore.

[LindyLou22]

It's not censorship to you? So it's your way or the highway, Shannon? You don't have the objectivity or respect for others that SHOULD be required to be a moderator. I can do my own thinking, my own discernment, thank you very much. Your manipulation has always been an affront to thinking people on this forum.

[ThePythonicCow]

If i could change one thing, i would of liked Bill to make the decision
Bill and the mods/admins did make this decision. Your insinuation to the contrary is unappreciated and unjustified.

In fairness, Paul, if there's any fairness to be had here, your last post on the SP update thread specifically stated that the moderators had made the decision.

When I wrote "the moderators" in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93125-Simon-Parkes-update-2016-sep-04-Connecting-Consciousness&p=1096462&viewfull=1#post1096462), I meant all of us, mods, admins and founder ... my fault for not being clear on that.

Certainly, however, Bill was explicitly involved in deciding to proceed with this present thread, which began with the email message sent to him and only him. I don't see a basis for insinuating otherwise.

[Hervé]

[...]
I agree with Onawah, and I'm flabbergasted that so many otherwise thinking people have jumped on the bandwagon that these unsubstantiated opinion pieces are gospel...
[...]

There is a whole thread where these testimonies have been gathered: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) (<--- click) that onawah and yourself are belittling and dismissing as "unsubstantiated opinion."

The OP of this current thread is only an unsolicited external viewpoint that's a summary of that thread ^^^... so, read that thread first.

[LindyLou22]

You must be joking.

[Shannon]

It's not censorship to you? So it's your way or the highway, Shannon? You don't have the objectivity or respect for others that SHOULD be required to be a moderator. I can do my own thinking, my own discernment, thank you very much. Your manipulation has always been an affront to thinking people on this forum.

My way or the highway? Where are you getting that?

Manipulation? I hope you're kidding and if not, you better back that up sister.

I understand that you're angry, it's very noticeable but please do not take that anger out on me, I have not mistreated you and would like to be treated the same way.

[AutumnW]

Lindy lou-- Unsubstantiated opinion pieces? Bill heard a tape of a counselling session, which he described as 'horrible.' -- for starters.

Your requirements for substantiation seem pretty high for someone who supports a man/mantid/reptilian with an Illuminati application form in his back pocket! Sheesh.:confused:

[LindyLou22]

[...]
I agree with Onawah, and I'm flabbergasted that so many otherwise thinking people have jumped on the bandwagon that these unsubstantiated opinion pieces are gospel...
[...]

There is a whole thread where these testimonies have been gathered: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) that onawah and yourself are belittling and dismissing as "unsubstantiated opinion."

The OP of this current thread is only an unsolicited external viewpoint that's a summary of that thread ^^^... so, read that thread first.

Herve, where have they been substantiated? Is there any documentation?

What is perfectly clear is that the poster have something against Onawah. Once again, I'm disgusted that the moderators and a group, and according to Paul included Bill himself, that this group would publish something from an outsider that says such awful, undeserved, and UNSUBSTANTIATED things about Onawah. The original anonymous outsider letter is a hit piece. Where is your discernment?

[onawah]

Thanks Araucaria, You are probably right, I may have misunderstood what you meant about karma, but your posts are a bit like Carmody in some ways, in that I often get big "ahas" :idea: from what you write, even if it's not necessarily the revelation intended by you. :lol:
I simply meant that, if we believe it to be so, as most of us have been programmed to do, what goes around comes around, unless we do something to change that game for ourselves.
In other words, we don't have to be nasty to someone else because they were nasty to us in order to balance the "karmic scale", or to uphold divine justice.
We can short circuit that process of retribution by forgiving, by learning a different perspective, by buying out of that kind of "eye for an eye" mentality, which can indeed just as likely lead to endless conflict.
Opting out may leave the other person unchanged, but it will definitely free you, and possibly even free the other person too by giving them a little more light to see the truth by.
You can still do something to change that person for the better if you have enough skillful means at your disposal, and that is the dance of the Bodhisattva.
(As in Eva's mention of the stories about the Tibetan saint Milarepa, who transformed demons with his compassion.)
People can change and often do, and often because of the compassion of another.
No matter if I still don't understand your message; thanks as always, for your very intelligent presence here. :bowing:
And thanks to Chris (Greybeard), who I've removed from my ignore list, whose opinion I do respect, even if I don't always agree. :hug:


Good food for thought, Araucaria. (...)
But if you understand karma at all, it is clear that heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense.
Thank you Onawah, but you seem to have missed my point about karma, which I said was crap; or more politely, it is... spiritually correct. Since from the viewpoint of eternity, karma is by definition a zero sum game, it all comes out in the wash, so I’ll be nice some other time and meanwhile I can do as I please. This means that in terms of karma, heaping abuse makes perfect sense even from a positive standpoint; except that, as Sierra points out, that is not what is happening here. If karma sums to zero, it can safely be ignored not just by evildoers, but equally by those doing good. I don’t care what my current karma rating is, any more than I care how enlightened I am becoming. We are eternally enlightened and are supposed to be having fun pretending otherwise. If only a tiny minority are having fun at everyone else’s expense, then it is time to try something different.

[AutumnW]

Onawah, with fake gurus, abusive personalities, the goal isn't to forgive, it is to become indifferent, IMHO.

Forgiveness keeps the game going. When an individual chooses a pervasive pattern of abuse, it is best to simply say goodbye to them. You disengage.

You are really wrestling with this because you are a kindly person who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt. I imagine it really bothers you to see someone being 'ganged up on.' And that is to be applauded! But there are limits to its effectiveness in dealing with covertly aggressive personalities, like Parkes

[Hervé]

[...]
What is perfectly clear is that the poster have something against Onawah. Once again, I'm disgusted that the moderators and a group, and according to Paul included Bill himself, that this group would publish something from an outsider that says such awful, undeserved, and UNSUBSTANTIATED things about Onawah. The original anonymous outsider letter is a hit piece. Where is your discernment?

Thank you for letting us know your appreciation of your host, admins and moderators team.

Feel free to leave Bill's living room and take yourself somewhere across the street.

[greybeard]

Onawah I have always been your friend even though we disagree on Simon.
But I respect you for sticking to your guns through thick and thin.

Much love to you.
Chris

[onawah]

Thanks Autumn, I do try to look for the good in people, and I am not so cynical that I think people can't change.
But words have different meanings for different people.
Forgiveness doesn't keep the game going unless you choose to keep the game going, IMHO.
It is part and parcel of walking away, in my book, and it is certainly not the same thing as condoning.
But we all have different definitions of words.
Detachment is the Buddhist word which I prefer to indifferent, which implies a kind of apathy, I think.
But it's OK. We don't have to agree about everything, do we?

Onawah, with fake gurus, abusive personalities, the goal isn't to forgive, it is to become indifferent, IMHO.
Forgivenesskeeps the game going. When an individual chooses a pervasive pattern of abuse, it is best to simply say goodbye to them. You disengage.

You are really wrestling with this because you are a kindly person who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt. I imagine it really bothers you to see someone being 'ganged up on.' And that is to be applauded! But there are limits to its effectiveness in dealing with covertly aggressive personalities.

[boutreality]

"You and me" if I can speak for you in this matter accurately in this way, are NOT seeking money to give others guidance out of a sense that we can offer security people would best find in us. -Simon did.
In such situations, it is best that a standard of behavior is expected of the "service provider" -in this case that is Simon- and evidence is that this provider has failed to meet an acceptable standard.


Perhaps more than, as you say you have kept a periphery eye on threads on Simon, you'd like to look deeper. The sentiment you're seeking to capture built over a time, during that time evidence and allegations mounted, and scant evidence if any cleared him.

"Judgment is just like a cup that we share, I'll jump over the wall and I'll wait for you there- far past the weeds and our visions of things to come" -"Rabbit Will Run" by Iron and Wine

[LindyLou22]

[...]
What is perfectly clear is that the poster have something against Onawah. Once again, I'm disgusted that the moderators and a group, and according to Paul included Bill himself, that this group would publish something from an outsider that says such awful, undeserved, and UNSUBSTANTIATED things about Onawah. The original anonymous outsider letter is a hit piece. Where is your discernment?

Thank you for letting us know your appreciation of your host, admins and moderators team.

Feel free to leave Bill's living room and take yourself somewhere across the street.

That is my truth, and you can't handle it. I'm ashamed that you --all including Bill -- would allow a member to be treated like that by an outsider. It feels Luciferian to me.

[LindyLou22]

It's not censorship to you? So it's your way or the highway, Shannon? You don't have the objectivity or respect for others that SHOULD be required to be a moderator. I can do my own thinking, my own discernment, thank you very much. Your manipulation has always been an affront to thinking people on this forum.

My way or the highway? Where are you getting that?

Manipulation? I hope you're kidding and if not, you better back that up sister.

I understand that you're angry, it's very noticeable but please do not take that anger out on me, I have not mistreated you and would like to be treated the same way.

Well, I went through pages of your posts, and it seems like you only act this way as regards SP. Your posts on other subjects seem on point. But it is a fact that you put yourself above the members who recognize that SP did some crappy things, but would still like to hear what he has to say. And I really, really don't care for the way you and others have treated Onawah. Frankly, your behavior Pathwalker's thread was that of a troll and not a moderator.

Okay, this is Bill's forum, and we're all guests, and he can do whatever he wants to do including censoring SP for whatever reason, including that he's just plain tired of him. But when it comes to claiming high moral ground in the treatment of people, I call into question all of you for the way you've treated Onawah and all the other people who wished to have a discussion on the material.[COLOR="red"]

[LindyLou22]

[...]
What is perfectly clear is that the poster have something against Onawah. Once again, I'm disgusted that the moderators and a group, and according to Paul included Bill himself, that this group would publish something from an outsider that says such awful, undeserved, and UNSUBSTANTIATED things about Onawah. The original anonymous outsider letter is a hit piece. Where is your discernment?

Thank you for letting us know your appreciation of your host, admins and moderators team.

Feel free to leave Bill's living room and take yourself somewhere across the street.

You treated a member extremely poorly, and I'm calling you out. Take responsibility instead of whining that I'm not showing you enough "appreciation." Bill's living room is becoming an extremely uncomfortable place.
\

[Hervé]

[...]

That is my truth, and you can't handle it. I'm ashamed that you --all including Bill -- would allow a member to be treated like that by an outsider. It feels Luciferian to me.
As I wrote earlier, please, do us a favor and do take your truth and yourself to some other party across the street.

As for the thread where the testimonies have been gathered, it's this one: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor) which I spent a considerable time cleaning up from off-topics (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91607-Our-Experience-With-Simon-Parkes-as-a-contactee--split-from-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor-thread-&p=1078235&viewfull=1#post1078235), most of them courtesy of onawah and Agape and gathered in this other thread: Our Experience With Simon Parkes as a contactee (split from "Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor" thread) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91607-Our-Experience-With-Simon-Parkes-as-a-contactee--split-from-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor-thread-)

That original thread and split-off were further cleaned up from off-topic posts (courtesy of mostly the same culprits) by Paul (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1079548&viewfull=1#post1079548) and myself and collected here: Split thread for various Off-Topic posts from "Our Experience With Simon As a '____________' " (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91756-Split-thread-for-various-Off-Topic-posts-from-Our-Experience-With-Simon-As-a-____________)

Edit:
The above threads and links should give readers an idea of why this thread's OP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096458&viewfull=1#post1096458) specifically mentions onawah and Agape as well as why the team decided to publish the e-mail as-is.

[Agape]

If I could change one thing in the above email, I'd substitute the names with ****** and *****, and PM the original email to them.

RunningDeer ♡


This is my very last post and personal warning to all of you , no pun intended dear Running Deer.
After posting I'll simply log off and won't return to the same thread and place as I now did /did not return here for time period and I'm dwelling on my statement .

You simply don't realise one thing, life and all kinds of situations in life have many if not countless , different perspectives .

What I've seen here for very many years ( AND DID NOT PARTAKE IN ) was group mentality and all sorts of fan clubs being created on a go, pro and against various internet personas and so called 'whistleblowers'.

The quality of what you do here no matter how high you consider your endeavour is not dissimilar to other similar fan clubs , be it one of Britney Spears or John Lennon. Yes , those are some bright people but that does not say a word about their fans . It does not make you better or worse human being or any other Being ,
being part of a fan club , there are thousands of them out there .

I get nothing but feeling of subtle irony , bitterness and sour feel from some of your posts that mentioned me and all these confrontations.

I once loved the collective as you do but it's simply not my range of interest to last in this environment forever and chit chat about people you or I never met,
almost none here knowing me personally either.

One good reason I did not sign to internet forums rather willingly .

Taking part on the level you engage , generally speaking is simply bound to end up in much gossip , bitterness and confrontation.

When Simon was favourite here both Barry King and I were accused of jealousy and envy from similarly minded moderators and shown to our corner .

When I tried to substantiate my opinion and defend Simon for who he is and expressed another view on the whole situation , I was shown to corner too.

And here you see , some unknown people keep scribbling scrappy letters to Bill and others , anonymously about what they see here ?

Even this post of mine is like adding fuel to fire. I could be long but I'm not willing to give any energy to any of this anymore .

This forum has some excellent people , some bright and dull people , some weirdos , some sinister agendas quite like human society does in average.

Painting yourself a picture with 'pink glasses' about being a kind of perfect blameless society lead by blameless individual and debating quote-to-quote statements is simply not anything I do in real life or wishing to do , in any type of life .
I'm sorry.


It pains me. It's easier not to open the PA page than to be engaged in some kind of virtual misunderstanding .


I'm really sorry . I know this will hardly get across to anyone here at all . I miss the feeling of connection here and whatever I say is bound to sound wrong .

The times shall roll over because it's what times always do and there's no sour feelings I keep in my heart .



Wish you all the best , without any sarcasms and ironies of fate ... without being puppets being played , without that all be big or small . Mind own mind , I guess .



:flower::bearhug:

[Flash]

Araucaria:

I had not noticed you had asked my daughter those questions then. This is so neat and delicately asked. Thanks for having kind of checked on her indirectly at the time.

I find her answer so cute and naive. Tu peux également y voir les relents de dysphasie sévère qu'elle a dû gérer durant son enfance. Enfin!

the article/posts/video that you referred to in your post is soooo interesting and your analysis so correct, even when regarding psychopaths and non human entities, that I raise my hat to you.

Many of your points I have felt while around some psychopaths/sociopaths.

The main point being that if I am caught in the victim archetype, they tap in it readily playing the predator/perpretator. If I am not, and hold myself up with inner strenght, they do respect me. Albeit I am always conscious of being with a predator specie that is not my own and that I have to be watchful, without fear. THey do the same, keeping a distance, watchful for my mistakes, which are in fact giving up on myself even momentarily. What a training to get!!

Simon was telling us both, daughter and I, you Pleiadians/Lyrans hold to yourself and your very great strenght/high energies, and ask us, reptilians to get to that level, not the other way around. I mean telling us literally. Not bad if from a real psychopath!!!! lol - this is why I say he has some traits, but some other traits aren't psychopatic. So I am watchful, but without fear, because here, I do not know where to stand.

One time, I was speaking with Shane (another deemed illuminati reptilian), and he was telling me (truth or not, it does not matter, the archetypal story does), that the human specie was very near extinction after a planet wide cataclysm and that we were so desperate for help, going to be extinct, FEELING LIKE NATURE'S VICTIMS.

The Dracos saw this and took the opportunity to offer help (SAVIOR), which we were starving for as a specie - and still are, the archetype being so well implanted.

And slowly, like good sharks going around their prey, they slowly introduced helping conditions which were equating to promoting them as gods and giving ourselves as slaves basically (they have zero respect for their prey), letting go of our powers by not believing in ourselves.

They became the PERPRETATORS, and assigned young human perpretators to represent this kind of energies on the planet.

Shane, intentionally or not, was clearly explaining to me the origins of the victims complex, for all people on earth, the origins of this victim archetype we all adopted and continue to pursue, implement, use, even fighting to remain in it.

By getting out of it, we recuperate our own strenght and self powers, we recontact with our individual and group soul. If there is an hypnotic archetype on this planet, this is it. (there is others like the prostitute archetype, but they are secondary to the victim one in my views).

Araucaria. You wrote at one point that the collective consciousness of one specie communicate with the collective consciousness of the other specie and each individual kind of represent the whole of its specie, for communication purpose. You also mention somewhere that it is heart to heart communication that is effective (my paraphrasing).

I would rather say that you communicate with the specie's soul, not necessarily heart to heart. Some species do not have heart (I mean here the capacity for love, which I equate to higher spiritual evolution capacity). But they do have a collective soul if not cloned.

Thanks for your feedback. And thanks to Chris and Autumn too.



Good food for thought, Araucaria. (...)
But if you understand karma at all, it is clear that heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense.
Thank you Onawah, but you seem to have missed my point about karma, which I said was crap; or more politely, it is... spiritually correct. Since from the viewpoint of eternity, karma is by definition a zero sum game, it all comes out in the wash, so I’ll be nice some other time and meanwhile I can do as I please. This means that in terms of karma, heaping abuse makes perfect sense even from a positive standpoint; except that, as Sierra points out, that is not what is happening here. If karma sums to zero, it can safely be ignored not just by evildoers, but equally by those doing good. I don’t care what my current karma rating is, any more than I care how enlightened I am becoming. We are eternally enlightened and are supposed to be having fun pretending otherwise. If only a tiny minority are having fun at everyone else’s expense, then it is time to try something different.


However, Simon is not all black or white. Lots of grey zones.

In fact, when I was looking for help for my daughter, with a question literally of life or death, he was the only one who extended a practical hand, down in the daily doings, to help - and believe me, he had no personal benefits from it.

And it worked, my daughter needed this kind of attention and caring as a father would. The content at this point is not as important as the attitude of those involved, feeling the care and support, that is what she needed.
(...)
Araucaria

your description of karma is very interesting, thank you.<

To me, Karma is correcting the unbalance (which often creates pain and destruction) you have created, as an individual, as a group or as a nation or as a planet. It can be what you have created in present and potentially past lifes. Period. No more. That is karma. Having the courage to rebalance.

It is certainly not submitting to more of it. Yes it is recognising the victimized, helping if possible, but not submitting to it, not getting into the world archetype leading to endless drama (victim, perpetrator, savior drama). I have been victimized, but I am not a victim, I own enough inner strenght to get out of this global archetype with the whole universe collaborating with me on this.

A big huge NO to this drama and everyone pushing for more of it.

Thank you Flash. Yes, balance is simply telling yourself or someone else when you start veering off course: no big deal if you do something about it; in microdoses, it is actually the basis of friendship, and the conflict only creeps in when you ignore the micro-adjustments and veer too far apart. You end up with cowboys and Indians and endless conflict. Simon is not the devil incarnate: like anyone else, you can tell him, ‘please don’t do this, or don’t do that, but otherwise you’re probably doing OK’. The scale of ‘this’ or ‘that’ can vary, the important thing is that they listen when you say no; for that, it has to be a two-way dialogue. One of the most inspirational examples I can think of as to how to deal with this type of situation is provided by Anna Breytenbach, see here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=960937&viewfull=1#post960937).

I remember being a little concerned with your visit to England, but feeling on the whole that you knew what you were doing. This was my reason for asking for feedback directly from Mini Flash, in her native French to make her feel comfortable. I quote her reply below, saying that it was a super beautiful experience she would never forget, that England is a beautiful country well worth a visit and that Simon is a good and extraordinary person she will keep close to her heart, along with his cats. As a mere friendly poster, I felt I had got all the reassurance I needed: I don’t think Mini Flash would have responded in this happy, spontaneous way if there had been anything much amiss.



voici une video assez drole sur les dessins animés japonais pour filles! Si vous conaissez pas, vous allez apprendre grace a cette vidéo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk110_eoTKg
coucou Mini Flash
Je vois que tu prends bien soin de ta maman.
Il paraît que vous êtes allées en Angleterre voir Simon toutes les deux. Tu pourrais peut-être nous raconter tes impressions du vieux continent et des chats de Simon, il en a combien déjà? D'autres choses encore?

Oui j'ai été visité Simon :D ! C'est une super belle expérience! Je n'oublirais jamais! Simon est quelqu'un de bien et extraordinaire.
J'ai profité de cet occasion pour visiter l'Angleterre et un peu l'Irlande. J'était surprise de voir a quel point l'Irlande ressemblait au Québec! J'ai adoré voir l'Anglettere! Les paysages sont tellement beaux et j'adore leur accent! Je suggère fortement de visiter ce pays :)
Pour les chats de Simon.. Je ne me rappelle plus du nombre de chats qu'il a.. Mais il en a beaucoup! LOL Ils sont tous mignons a leur propre façon.
En tout cas, je n'oublirais jamais ce voyage. De plus, Simon et ses chats resteront toujours dans mon coeur :)

[Sierra]

This is the original statement I responded too, before you edited it:

Good food for thought, Araucaria. Heaping abuse upon someone because one is angry about abusive behavior makes no sense, particularly when it is done in the manner of an angry mob.
Quite simply, the medium IS the message.

Which was changed to:

We do have a right and even a duty to react to what others are doing; but since we do so in a spirit of harmonization, it makes no sense to do so in a manner other than in a spirit of harmony.
If you have a problem with that, Sierra, please say why.

What I have a problem with is this:

With respect, Sierra, I never implied "that people with no prior knowledge of each other sat down to coordinate stories to 'get' Simon", nor did I say that others' statements were irrelevant, nor did I claim that there were no valid concerns.

My point has always been ...
We know that the elite will hire people or mind control people to do their bidding, including lying and obfuscation, and so proof of allegations need to be substantial and verifiable, not just numerous. If anyone wanted to, numerous positive testimonials could also be provided here.

The above statement *is* the implication that our members are hired to present coordinated stories to bring down Simon. Which with your silence towards those members you have made clear where you stand. Several members have pointed out your behavior towards the members giving testimony, and you have not addressed their concerns either.

Onawah, when allegations are numerous, when more than one tape recording of a session exists where it is confirmed Simon does indeed rage at clients, Simon does indeed use the manipulation on clients that he was Solomon, they were his wives, and the clients need to have unprotected sex with him to remove entities (when unprotected sex actually cords two individuals... ).


I believe, much of what has been directed at me has registered in that way, as an angry mob, taking your anger out on me because of the things that you object to about Simon, perhaps because you have no access to him and because he refuses to come back to Avalon to address the charges that have been laid against him.

Wow. That's a big assumption. I, heavens no. Going back to the original monster Simon thread, I don't think I ever posted, and I don't think I ever read more than a page or two to see if I was interested UNLESS brought to my attention by a report issue. I have no desire to relate to Simon, and I was never interested in what Simon had to say.

I found what Flash had to say very interesting, I think she caught the guys lingo, knew what to watch out for, stopped Simon in his tracks on the sexual invitation before it started, she and her daughter put "Simon filters" on their perceptions while hanging onto their baselines, and got to work. And it worked. Her daughter is alive. But there was no sexual or fearful manipulation here, was there? And it worked because Flash in this situation was aware. Mothers of Spec Ed children, good mothers, are hyper aware. I consider Flash brilliant.

Simon *did* come back to respond to the charges, and it was the consensus of members and readers that a) he apologized because he was caught out, which is not really an apology, and b) saying it was Anu who made him "do" it was a bull**** copout. He pretty much busted himself, by glaring deficiencies in his response.

At this point, I think there is no proof that will satisfy you. You are no longer my audience, it is the readers and members who are my concern. So yes, I agree with you below:

Not that bad behavior does not have to be addressed and prevented. Was there something you objected to in that statement, Sierra? It seems to me to be in agreement with your own.


My main objection all along has been that you think I am defending him, when in fact, what I object to is the manner in which he has been attacked, and in which I have been misrepresented and misunderstood.

Well... I sincerely hope reading the above shows you where My perceptions went off the rails. Your treatment of the members, and brushing off their testimony and Bill Ryan's testimony as insufficient. Simon's emotional immaturity, repeated usage of clients for sex. Yes, I think there is fire, not just smoke. Yes, I think it is critical, especially if as you say Simon is becoming a big deal, that people know this about Simon. Yes, if clients want to screw Simon, the more the merrier, no objection. But using fear of entities to get sex? No, not acceptable.


But no doubt these statements are just going to loose another barrage of criticisms. So I am going to make a promise here that I will never make another remark about Simon on this forum, and hopefully save us all a lot of time and trouble.

Just so you know Onawah, I'm gonna be democratic, and consistent in my holding up Simon's behavior to scrutiny. But I promise not to bring up any future peccadillos or respond to threads where members bring up future peccadillos, and if there are future reports, I'll time out on the bench, heh.)


I am more than ready for a ticket off this merry go round!
I hear you sister, and me too. :bearhug:

[RunningDeer]

This is my very last post and personal warning to all of you , no pun intended dear Running Deer.
After posting I'll simply log off and won't return to the same thread and place as I now did /did not return here for time period and I'm dwelling on my statement .

You simply don't realise one thing, life and all kinds of situations in life have many if not countless , different perspectives .
:flower::bearhug:


Hello Agape,

My comprehension has been poor all day with this thread, even when I’ve re-read some posts two to three times. Some posts seem to say one thing and it’s opposite. Hence, the my decision to staaaayyyy clear.
http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/im-ok_zpsfmqbteib.GIF


This is my very last post and personal warning to all of you , no pun intended dear Running Deer.
After posting I'll simply log off and won't return to the same thread and place as I now did /did not return here for time period and I'm dwelling on my statement .

I read your quoted material to mean: 1) no posts on this thread 2) you’ll take some time away but will eventually return to Avalon.

If this is the case, I understand. I’d probably do the same. So…I made a gone fishin’ sign for you. [But] if your journey takes you in another direction, then I send a message of Godspeed, love and blessings, my Friend.


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/fish-2-smiley-face_zps5vmtxwr7.GIF http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/fish-1-smiley-face_zpsefqpbso5.GIF http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/smilies/fish-2-smiley-face_zps5vmtxwr7.gif

Oh, and here's some sage advice:

Look both ways before crossing.
Chew your food before you swallow.
Stay hydrated.
It’s okay not to make your bed.
Don’t forget ya spinach.
Goldfish like Ben&Jerry’s ice cream every now and again.

.............http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/fish-bowl_zpsc2xqivnl.GIF

Love,
Paula :heart:


http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Notices/gone-fishing_zpswmympnv9.JPG

[Daozen]

1. It's becoming apparent that you cannot reason with a hardcore Parkes follower, nor can you appeal to them on an emotional or ethical level. Same with Cobreros and Ke****es. The similar tactics used across all communities is unsettling. They're all bizzarely tenacious and evasive at the same time. It's like debating a snake in a brick wall.

2. I just invented a new word: Slaviourism/Slaviorism (© Daozen 2016-2020). I Googled it, only one previous instance of it exists on the net.

3. The way off the merry-go-round, IMO, is to start threads specifically engaging subjects and people directly. Talk respectfully to them, instead of about them. There is a lot of wisdom here, but little structure or strategy. This thread is in danger of becoming another multi-storey Avalon train-wreck, complete with wall o'types and repetitive points.

Two suggested threads:

- Have you been plagarized?

- Letters to alt media personalities.

In which alt media personalities are address respectfully and directly. It's a way of focusing content into one thread, instead of 20. If the other party doesn't answer, their silence will speak volumes.

^^ Those two threads would focus the discussion, and start to provide legal and spiritual closure. I have a suspicion that a minority of Avalonians enjoy the meandering grandstanding, and prefer to string the subject out instead of delivering the, uhh, coup de grace. Am I wrong to say that?

[ThePythonicCow]

I've only peripherally followed Simon Parkes, but just by reading through a few thread from the past couple days, it's obvious to me that he's under intense spiritual attack. And some members of this forum are part of that attack. One thing about the human race, we love to judge. Sometimes we even judge for others. And on the basis of high morality, no less.

...



"You and me" if I can speak for you in this matter accurately in this way, are NOT seeking money to give others guidance out of a sense that we can offer security people would best find in us. -Simon did.
In such situations, it is best that a standard of behavior is expected of the "service provider" -in this case that is Simon- and evidence is that this provider has failed to meet an acceptable standard.


Perhaps more than, as you say you have kept a periphery eye on threads on Simon, you'd like to look deeper. The sentiment you're seeking to capture built over a time, during that time evidence and allegations mounted, and scant evidence if any cleared him.

"Judgment is just like a cup that we share, I'll jump over the wall and I'll wait for you there- far past the weeds and our visions of things to come" -"Rabbit Will Run" by Iron and Wine

The above two posts started on a separate thread, but they seemed best suited to this present thread, so I have just now merged them over to here.

[AutumnW]

1. It's becoming apparent that you cannot reason with a hardcore Parkes follower, nor can you appeal to them on an emotional or ethical level. Same with Cobreros and Ke****es. The similar tactics used across all communities is unsettling. They're all bizzarely tenacious and evasive at the same time. It's like debating a snake in a brick wall.

2. I just invented a new word: Slaviourism/Slaviorism (© Daozen 2016-2020). I Googled it, only one previous instance of it exists on the net.

3. The way off the merry-go-round, IMO, is to start threads specifically engaging subjects and people directly. Talk respectfully to them, instead of about them. There is a lot of wisdom here, but little structure or strategy. This thread is in danger of becoming another multi-storey Avalon train-wreck, complete with wall o'types and repetitive points.

Two suggested threads:

- Have you been plagarized?

- Letters to alt media personalities.

In which alt media personalities are address respectfully and directly. It's a way of focusing content into one thread, instead of 20. If the other party doesn't answer, their silence will speak volumes.

^^ Those two threads would focus the discussion, and start to provide legal and spiritual closure. I have a suspicion that a minority of Avalonians enjoy the meandering grandstanding, and prefer to string the subject out instead of delivering the, uhh, coup de grace. Am I wrong to say that?

Yes, less is more, when it comes to making a point. Concision is our friend. I think some people have a really tough time expressing themselves, but other people enjoy the exercise of blathering on and on. And then some people love emoting non stop, the drama and dissembling. That type of communication comes across as bullsh** to me, or the 'poop de grace.';)

[Chester]

It's not censorship to you? So it's your way or the highway, Shannon? You don't have the objectivity or respect for others that SHOULD be required to be a moderator. I can do my own thinking, my own discernment, thank you very much. Your manipulation has always been an affront to thinking people on this forum.

My way or the highway? Where are you getting that?

Manipulation? I hope you're kidding and if not, you better back that up sister.

I understand that you're angry, it's very noticeable but please do not take that anger out on me, I have not mistreated you and would like to be treated the same way.

Well, I went through pages of your posts, and it seems like you only act this way as regards SP. Your posts on other subjects seem on point. But it is a fact that you put yourself above the members who recognize that SP did some crappy things, but would still like to hear what he has to say. And I really, really don't care for the way you and others have treated Onawah. Frankly, your behavior Pathwalker's thread was that of a troll and not a moderator.

Okay, this is Bill's forum, and we're all guests, and he can do whatever he wants to do including censoring SP for whatever reason, including that he's just plain tired of him. But when it comes to claiming high moral ground in the treatment of people, I call into question all of you for the way you've treated Onawah and all the other people who wished to have a discussion on the material.[COLOR="red"]

People can go hear what he has to say all they want. This forum decided that they did not want to participate in his promotion. Simple. They made the decision because there is overwhelming evidence he has recently been behaving in such a way any clear minded individual would understand is a threat especially to the vulnerable. Many forum members support this and in fact some, like myself encouraged it.

Simon needs to get counseling. Simon needs to remove himself from this community until (and if) he can resolve whatever is behind his behavior so that others are no longer at risk.

In addition, people who are involved in the alternative media should no longer be involved with Simon Parkes at all in an way until he has resolved his issues if he is able so to do.

Members and readers who do not have enough information to understand this might consider the fact that many well grounded members (and many non-members who contacted folks involved with this forum) actually do. Far more than you would ever have wished to know about.

Its real simple.

Simon needs to shut it down and no one should continue propping him up at all in any way until he resolves his issues, if he even can... in this lifetime at least.

This is what a community is all about.

Again, its real simple.

[lizfrench]

This forum is soooo compromised at this point...so sad. I'm considering leaving.

[Tangri]

With respect, Sierra, I never implied "that people with no prior knowledge of each other sat down to coordinate stories to 'get' Simon", nor did I say that others' statements were irrelevant, nor did I claim that there were no valid concerns.
My point has always been the same.
We know that the elite will hire people or mind control people to do their bidding, including lying and obfuscation, and so proof of allegations need to be substantial and verifiable, not just numerous. If anyone wanted to, numerous positive testimonials could also be provided here.

I have no desire to keep on rehashing this issue either; my last post was only meant to focus on the points which I mentioned in that post.

Now, you are entering deliberately ignorance category.

You are creating a valid statement to support a void defense. I see an engineered intention here.

Your saying " the elite will hire people or mind control people to do their bidding, including lying and obfuscation, and so proof of allegations need to be substantial and verifiable, not just numerous. would be valid if Simon didn't blame his father's act on supposedly inappropriate behavior, apologized for him (not himself ) , then, delete all his confession from his web page.

[greybeard]

Can we not agree to disagree and let the whole thing be as it is?
I think we, including me, have all made our thoughts and various positions clear.

Chris

[Ewan]

I've not made all my thoughts clear. So I'll quickly do that now. :)

1: I didn't care for the posting of the e-mail, especially as it named two forum members. We don't know who it came from nor what reason may have been behind the sending of it.

2: If there is an mp4/mp3 of Simon behaving deplorably and 'losing it' why can't we all hear it and put the matter to rest?

3: It's possible Simon has multiple personality disorder, perhaps even programmed.

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This forum is soooo compromised at this point...so sad. I'm considering leaving.

This happens from time to time Liz. In the 18 months I've been here I've seen it a few times already, and yes it is disheartening. It's like a few storm clouds gather, sometimes there is a little storm damgae, but the skies clear and on we go.

If we only had blue skies for evermore I'd guess we'd already reached the promised land. :)

[6pounder]

Does any one remember a post about some of the ways the CIA infiltrates to alt communities and starting a consensus in order to destroy the forum? Like Satanists do to churches btw. Now let's take a moment and ask ourselves, did we make it happen to us without any outside help? I mean look what's going on here guys. We fight over different opinions! Since when did we stop accepting the different??? Like a bunch of egoistic kids who fight over who is more right! What the actual ****???? Take a small step a tiny little step back and look at this whole week from above. From an eyes of a guest who can't make his opinion on the forum and tell me is it a bunch of enlightened people or a bunch of immature egoistic kids who want to scream and shout till their get their "I'm right" candy? So some are for and the rest are against. Can we read a comment of opinion and point of view without firing shots and throwing stones?

Please people. Let's not become another typical alt forum where there are a bunch of enlightened wanna he's....


And for any one there who commented about leaving the community and such. DO NOT GENELALIZE A WHOLE AWESOME COMMUNITY FOR MISBEHAVING OF 1%!!!

[Hervé]

[...]
2: If there is an mp4/mp3 of Simon behaving deplorably and 'losing it' why can't we all hear it and put the matter to rest?
[...]

I guess, like many others, the following in the original thread (post # 148 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1077877&viewfull=1#post1077877)) AND in this thread (post # 82 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096848&viewfull=1#post1096848)) was skipped over:



I was waiting for examples of where Simon perpetrated a wrongful harmful act, where he contradicted himself or became psychopathic. But the conjecture seemed to be focused on his history and his counseling efforts of which I have no interest in.

It is as a counselor there are problems. An example:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor&p=1077877&viewfull=1#post1077877



:focus: ... please.

The topic of this thread, started by Alberto e Daniela (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes&p=1047999&viewfull=1#post1047999), is how Simon Parkes handles himself in counseling sessions, and how he manages the scheduling and booking of those sessions, with paid clients. That's all.

It potentially affects quite a lot of people who may be at their most vulnerable.

The thread contains specific experiences, that are problematic and concerning, reported by known, real, people, who are forum members. This isn't casual, malevolent, irresponsible innuendo or rumor.

I've been sent a recording of one session, and it's a horror story. Any certified counselor would be banned for life — with no risk of exaggeration — if a formal complaint was made to the certificating authority. In this case, nothing can be done, as Simon isn't qualified or certified.

Of course, I can't and won't share that publicly or privately. It's a little silly, if I may gently say, to ask for that to be posted as 'evidence'. It's for those concerned, and only for those concerned, to share those recordings if they wish or choose. But the session recordings all exist.

This isn't untrue, invented, any kind of a 'smear' or 'attack', or a false malevolent rumor. It is what it is, nothing more or less, and it's merely pretty awful stuff that breaches any counselor's code one might ever conceive of.

[greybeard]

The great majority of members go about their business without the slightest interest in Simon threads including this one.
Avalon is in good health and is not really affected by the ups and downs that are natural for any forum.
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

[Hervé]

[...]
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

Right, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1097428&viewfull=1#post1097428) (<---) and get an idea of the amount of work it took us to keep that original thread "On-topic" thanks, mostly, to those two who kept trolling (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91756-Split-thread-for-various-Off-Topic-posts-from-Our-Experience-With-Simon-As-a-____________&p=1079990&viewfull=1#post1079990) it with the same argument over and over, and over, and over, and over... (the "bone" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1097362&viewfull=1#post1097362)).

[greybeard]

[...]
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

Right, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1097428&viewfull=1#post1097428) (<---) and get an idea of the amount of work it took us to keep that original thread "On-topic" thanks, mostly, to those two who kept trolling it with the same argument over and over,and over, and over, and over... (the "bone" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1097362&viewfull=1#post1097362)).

Oh yes I am well aware of the amount of work that must have been put in---Those who engaged in the thread are also aware of who and what kept it going and your bone post is good Herve.
Its not necessary to highlight "culprits" now, at this time,for as long as we keep doing that this game of ping pong will continue.

I very much understand the frustration that the moderate team must have experienced and no doubt there were PMs sent by them to the "culprits" which were no doubt ignored.

Time to just let the whole thing go surely.

With respect
Chris

[Sierra]

[...]
I also should have said that I feel it was not necessary or helpful to mention names in the OP letter.
As Paula said they could have been ##### out
Thats just my opinion.
Easy to be wise after an event that I did not have to make a decision on.

Chris

Right, see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1097428&viewfull=1#post1097428) (<---) and get an idea of the amount of work it took us to keep that original thread "On-topic" thanks, mostly, to those two who kept trolling it with the same argument over and over,and over, and over, and over... (the "bone" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1097362&viewfull=1#post1097362)).

Oh yes I am well aware of the amount of work that must have been put in---Those who engaged in the thread are also aware of who and what kept it going and your bone post is good Herve.
Its not necessary to highlight "culprits" now, at this time,for as long as we keep doing that this game of ping pong will continue.

I very much understand the frustration that the moderate team must have experienced and no doubt there were PMs sent by them to the "culprits" which were no doubt ignored.

Time to just let the whole thing go surely.

With respect
Chris

Amen. Let's.

[Chester]

deleted as I agree the best idea is stated in the above post that I just saw after I posted.

[AutumnW]

Deleted..amen

[Omni]

Some time back(Maybe 1-3 years or so) I posted an opposing opinion in the Simon Parkes Thread. I immediately got a PM from someone saying I should show more respect (in other words i should not oppose simon's information, my post was respectful just dissenting). Honestly I'm glad to see Avalon take Simon off the pedestal. He is a disinformant IMO. And even worse I think the black ops sources are using their tech on people to help Simon's cause.

[Ultima Thule]

Slightly off-topic, relating to disagreements and should one be concerned about them and how they reflect the forum:

I see no harm in disagreement, as long as it is handled in a way, which promotes further learning and development.
I see much harm in an alternative forum being really serene and all-enlightened-and-we-pat-eachothers-backs-about-it - therein lies the risk of minority not being able to voice their dissenting opinions out. That may lead to groupthink and really bad decisions get made as people conform to the "everything is wonderful"-ism.

Better to have disagreement.
:focus:
UT

[Sueanne47]

the same argument over and over, and over, and over, and over...

Simon Parkes overkill! :wacko2:

[araucaria]

Can we not agree to disagree and let the whole thing be as it is?
I think we, including me, have all made our thoughts and various positions clear.

Chris
Well, Chris, I don’t know if this can be put to bed that easily; perhaps Onawah’s definite blind spot is the sole cause; or just maybe it just won’t go away because it is the major issue that we simply have to resolve. It is very flattering for Onawah to compare me to Carmody, but since she also means that I am being less than crystal clear, I for one need to have another go.

We have got to get this sorted, because although Simon’s claims appear outlandish, hybridity does seem to be the key to what is wrong with the world; it is a key ingredient of current paranormal research, and has a long history stretching back to the Book of Genesis and earlier. More generally, it refers to this alien presence that we all feel, whether it be in terms of cryptozoology, visitors from other planets, archons, or ETs from other dimensions. It is the issue on which we have agreed to disagree for far too long. It is high time we got on the same page.

Let me start by agreeing with Sierra: ‘Flash is brilliant’. Now Flash finds my analogy with Anna Breytenbach and the black panther particularly helpful. This will be because it is a prime example of interspecies relations and how they can be dramatically improved. Note: from here on, in any reference to other species, I am referring to a two-way relationship on an equal footing: the notion of animal is not intended as being derogatory or suggesting inferiority in any way. Other species are never easy to relate to: even cats – if you treat cat A the way you treat cat B, you might get scratched. And hybrids can be especially awkward. If I tell you my mongrel is part Rottweiler, most people will know to give it a wide berth, and in any case I will post a Beware of the Dog sign on my gate. This is part of human training or education: we learn about dangerous dogs and how to handle them through hearing about accidents and learning from them. In other words it is a two-way relationship: humans train dogs and at the same time dogs educate humans.

As someone pointed out a while back as I recall, Simon’s self-diagnosis as a hybrid being is certainly borne out by what is happening now (Flash: ‘Not bad if from a real psychopath!!!! lol - this is why I say he has some traits, but some other traits aren't psychopatic. So I am watchful, but without fear, because here, I do not know where to stand.’). He warned people from the outset that he was part reptilian. Those who have studied the reptilian phenomenon understand that even as a minority, these entities tend to rise to dominant positions; hence what has occurred should come as no surprise. It does not make Simon a total conman when a propensity for deception is laid out so explicitly. But it does mean that everything he says should be met with a degree of circumspection, because you never know which part you are dealing with, and as I said, the odds are it will be reptilian-influenced. You can train a young dog not to chase cats, but during that process you can watch it thinking, ‘I know I’m going to get smacked on the nose for this, but I’m going to do it anyway’. In other words, ahead of the fully tamed behaviour there is a thought process going on, at which point there is still time to say no. Seen in this light – which is I think where Flash is coming from – the likes of Simon Parkes should be seen as valuable assets since they have a built-in human component to work with rather than having to start from scratch with a dog, or with a full-blown reptilian.

Hence the decision that this forum should have no truck with Simon Parkes the counsellor makes perfect sense. Let me be absolutely clear in giving my full support to that call by Bill and the mods. In a situation where violence is being committed, the first step has to be to separate the attacker from the victim and from other potential victims. That is the smack on the nose, or if you like, it is the equivalent of having the panther Diabolo locked up on his own. But it is only a short-term stopgap solution. We still need an Anna Breytenbach for effective mediation. Simon himself has been trying to act as mediator, which may be viewed as devious by some and well-meaning by others, but we can all agree that it isn’t working. At best he can be a negotiator; but you cannot negotiate a truce without first calling a ceasefire.

So we need to take a closer look at Anna Breytenbach’s method. And to the extent that Flash was able to emerge unscathed from ‘the panther’s cage’, we need to understand what she is saying too. Beyond the actual ability to communicate and most of all listen, Anna’s main tool in her communication package appears to be her ability to dedramatize. ‘What seems to be the matter? You don’t like your name: it can be changed. You were badly treated: we are trying to treat you properly, things have improved, the door is open but you don’t seem interested. You are worried about those two cubs: now that we know about them, we can bring them to you. Is that all? Consider it done.’ It seems so trivial as to be beyond belief, and yet so not beyond relief: you have to believe it because the results are so instant and spectacular – gratitude on both sides, thank you, thank you and thank you for saying thank you... No one can claim that Anna Breytenbach is not the real deal. Things become dramatic when left to fester for whatever reason over a long period of time. You dedramatize by seeing what needs fixing right now and fixing it; that is often left than anticipated, but it requires courage, because it involves a capacity for friendship – even with the most hopelessly vicious panther.


One time, I was speaking with Shane (another deemed illuminati reptilian), and he was telling me (truth or not, it does not matter, the archetypal story does), that the human specie was very near extinction after a planet wide cataclysm and that we were so desperate for help, going to be extinct, FEELING LIKE NATURE'S VICTIMS.

The Dracos saw this and took the opportunity to offer help (SAVIOR), which we were starving for as a specie - and still are, the archetype being so well implanted.

And slowly, like good sharks going around their prey, they slowly introduced helping conditions which were equating to promoting them as gods and giving ourselves as slaves basically (they have zero respect for their prey), letting go of our powers by not believing in ourselves.

They became the PERPRETATORS, and assigned young human perpretators to represent this kind of energies on the planet.

Shane, intentionally or not, was clearly explaining to me the origins of the victims complex, for all people on earth, the origins of this victim archetype we all adopted and continue to pursue, implement, use, even fighting to remain in it.Before I apply the Anna Breytenbach method to the above, I would take issue with the idea of ‘good sharks going around their prey’: this is not necessarily the case at all. Take the situation of Athens in ancient Greece. In the early fifth century BC, Athens played a major role in defending Hellas against the Persian invader, largely through its skill in building and sailing triremes. In the aftermath of the Persian war, an alliance of Greek city states was formed to avoid a repeat scenario. The original idea was for all to contribute ships and men, but over time they found it simpler to delegate this task to the skilled Athenians, who collected payments of tribute to finance the building of what became their own all-powerful fleet. The result was Athenian imperialism, and was the root cause of the Peloponnesian War (431-404 BC), a civil war of Greeks against Greeks which resulted in the downfall of Athens, the cradle of modern civilization. Hence, while some may be born sharks, others have sharkhood thrust upon them – something went wrong along the way, with no one to blame and everyone losing out.

Some transposition is needed, as the roles have been partly reversed. Okay, what seems to be the matter with you humans? Well you saved us from catastrophe once, and of course we are eternally grateful for that. But the victimhood was not part of that problem, it was caused by the problem and ought to have disappeared when it was solved. It is not part of our nature to invite predatory behaviour: please stop calling us victims and treating us like victims. If you can do that, then we can find other better ways of thanking you for your help; we can get to know each other and maybe help you or share friendship in some mutually beneficial way. We cannot be properly grateful until we are also released from victimhood.

There is the story of Androcles and the lion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androcles). In one version, Androcles is an early Christian who once helped a lion by removing a thorn from its paw. When they next meet, in the Coliseum, the lion declines to rip him to pieces. In the words of Apion, "Afterwards we used to see Androclus with the lion attached to a slender leash, making the rounds of the tabernae throughout the city; Androclus was given money, the lion was sprinkled with flowers, and everyone who met them anywhere exclaimed, 'This is the lion, a man's friend; this is the man, a lion's doctor'".

[greybeard]

Yes araurcaria but that is a different subject from the one on this thread
You could start a thread specially to that.
Onawah is unlikely to change her position and why should she?
Every time her position is questioned she will naturally respond.
Surely we have exhausted all possibility of this particular thread?
This is the only reason I suggest let it be.
This in not taking away from the original post /thread on counseling given and all that stemmed from that.
A brave and essential under taking in my view.

Maybe I have said to much already.
Please do no respond to this post, as next thing there will here we go again.

With respect for all who have posted on this subject.

Chris

[Sierra]

We have got to get this sorted, because although Simon’s claims appear outlandish, hybridity does seem to be the key to what is wrong with the world; it is a key ingredient of current paranormal research, and has a long history stretching back to the Book of Genesis and earlier. More generally, it refers to this alien presence that we all feel, whether it be in terms of cryptozoology, visitors from other planets, archons, or ETs from other dimensions. It is the issue on which we have agreed to disagree for far too long. It is high time we got on the same page.

Ara, your post is too good to languish in a thread dominated by head banging drama, lol (and I include myself in that category). I can't see people slogging through eight pages of sturm un drang to get to your jewel.

Not too sure how you would introduce the topic separately from the Simon/counseling issue without collapsing more brick walls...

De-dramatization, love it.

And thank you for the explanation, I wasn't quite getting what Flash was saying about the catastrophe/victimhood/predator cycle.

Ignore me too as you wish, but I agree with Greybeard, a separate topic on a separate thread. The moderators can moderate if it devolves into another Bohemian Rhapsody...

[Anchor]

Ok, so before this thread finishes, I just want to let onawah know that certainly not everyone misunderstands her - I dont think I do, nor have I nor others who wont post, lost any respect for her :)

I saw onawah's name in the OP and decided to have a read, having no particular interest/knowledge in the entity known as Simon Parkes for context.

I thought it was bad form leaving that there but I believe I have the measure of onawah enough to know that it is all well whatever.

Anchor../John..

[araucaria]

Ignore me too as you wish, but I agree with Greybeard, a separate topic on a separate thread. The moderators can moderate if it devolves into another Bohemian Rhapsody...
Thank you both. If the subject is still questions of integrity and credibility, with particular reference to SP I do not feel off topic; also I think this is the best place to speak to those already following and maybe participating in this discussion. But rather than have my post languish in a thread of its own, which is what would likely happen if I started one (:)), you are welcome to repackage this material in whatever way you see fit, including starting yet another thread.

[Sierra]

Ara: Bill's Internet is flaky, but I think he wants to get up to speed and weigh in. I have no idea what the wisest course is, a split, a new, a continuation.

[onawah]

I don't think you were less than crystal clear Araucaria, I think it's more that you are very proficient in a particular kind of understanding (as is Carmody, in a different way) which I am not as proficient in, but I always get a lift of some kind just from reading your intelligent perspectives.
Thank you for your insights here. PM to follow.


. It is very flattering for Onawah to compare me to Carmody, but since she also means that I am being less than crystal clear, I for one need to have another go.

.

[MissMalin78]

Why is it so hard to find Simon Parkes e-mail adress? Anyvone got it? 🤔

[Sean]

This is kind of a "gut check" for a lot of people here. How many "shane" situations are going to occur before people stop looking for a messiah? Like a lot of people, I wanted to believe this guy..but it became quickly apparent to me that he was full of it. Same with Shane, and Corey Goode, and Wilcock. Some people just get off on telling stories and getting a following. My personal stories/experiences sound crazy to those who haven't had them..but I'm not looking to put myself forward as some kind of insider. I'm just a normal human with some mind-expanding experiences under his belt(which I only share here, and with a few select people).

What really bothers me is how so many forum members, and researchers elsewhere keep falling for the same BS again, and again, and again. There doesn't seem to be much of an ability to discern in these types of communities, and I think we all have to try much harder to vet people. Hard to do with such subject matter, but we have to try.

[Flash]

Hi Chris,

I kind of agree with Araucaria. I do think we have not exhausted all possibilities, in fact, I do think we are rather starting - once the emotional upheavals are quieter, this could be very a interesting undertaking: analysis and behavioral/beliefs/archetypes discussions in order to get a modus operandi with the cabal, the reptilians, the regular psychopaths, satanists, etc..

For example, I think Onawah's position is flawed but not because of subborness, rather because of an error in beliefs most human do on a regular basis. Namely attributing Human feelings and behaviors to non humans (or to psychopaths of any kinds). Onawah, PLEASE, do not answer. Ponder on this for at least a full week.

For example, I am always amazed at people attributing to their pet Human emotions.. Once, a friend of mine, who was always telling me how her cat felt - an me answering "he feels like a cat does, not like a human does" lollll, came to my place. She forcibly picked up my female cat, who scratched and bit her. Then my friend proceeded to tell me that my cat must have been beaten up when infant, because her behavior was not normal. I answered "well, from my cat point of view, how dare you picking her up by force, not even checking if she likes to be picked up, when on her own territory and futhermore near her food bowl"? We certainly could not reproach to my cat her behavior, she behaved as a cat does. We cannot expect a Human behavior from a cat.

Same thing here with Simon. He told the whole planet that he is part Human, part mantid and part draco. That he is delusional or not is not important.

What is important is that when Simon told us, he meant that some of his thinking and behaviors are similar to mantids, others to Humans and yet others to dracos.

And if we read the literature on dracos, this means that on their Humanly perceived bad side, they are dominant, predatorial, very manipulative (therefore do lie), heartless (no empathy for anyone even their own), despise and dislike humans (except for their flesh). On their Humanly perceived good side, they are very intelligent, somewhat psychic, very organised, respectful or hierarchy (in the hive mind mentality however), good genetecists, absolutley dedicated to their objective, have strong will power, and do care for their offspring and their own (albeit a very rough caring in our Human perceptions and judgment, kind of "I give you the tools, learn or die").

This is clear enough, Simon think it is whom he is. Part of the three. HE SAID IT.

So, when I met Simon, I had done my homework, reading again and more and more on reptilians, mantids (very few litt on them) and satanists or free masons or dark esoterism, asking questions around, having night after night with Shane cross checking the informantion Simon had given me, and more.

Therefore, I knew I may be talking with someone or something for whom I had very little point of reference in my daily life. I did not expect to have a full Human, I awaited for any kind of surprise, in fact, I was doing and being as I would have been and done with any high level cabal psycho as well.

I expected a big black panther, named diabolo or hopefully spirit. I encountered more of Spirit than diabolo, although I acknowlege that some of us encountered here enccountered more of diabolo. But I knew one thing: Drac do care for their own or those under their wing while at the same time wanting to use them as slave.

As they respect hierarchy and power, they would respect someone as strong as they are, if they judge that this person in front of them is strong.

I did not come with the tail between my leg. I came with my whole being, no victim here, even though I somewhat felt like one at times due to my daughter situation. I would never ever show it. I was with a wild being, remember at all times.

Did I present myself as equal, yes at the beginning, no after a year. I had gotten convinced that we, Humans, when living in our heart and using our heads, are much much more advance than any totally freaked out reptilian, to a point where they do not even know how afraid they are (like with the cabal, the knife in the back can come anytime from anywhere, this is how they think, not restfull at all!! and anti inner development). `Total paranoia races.

The problem we, Humans, have (cabal not included in this Human term), is that we attribute our own feelings and potential for love as well as our own thinking to other species on one hand. On the other hand, we are caught up in a victim archetype, which needs a perpretator in order to survive, making us vulnerable and below cabals or dracs - we have a mental virus working within our beliefs systems.

I think that this thread could be a wonderful exercise to see through who we are, in respect to other species, how they are, and how we should efficiently interact or not interact if it is our choice.

The only thing that has been done here to date is emotionally charged " he is bad, I am good, and he is out". It may be a correct decision, but as long as we do not look at it from all angles, we will not be truly efficient in our choices and history will repeat itself. IMO


Yes araurcaria but that is a different subject from the one on this thread
You could start a thread specially to that.
Onawah is unlikely to change her position and why should she?
Every time her position is questioned she will naturally respond.
Surely we have exhausted all possibility of this particular thread?
This is the only reason I suggest let it be.
This in not taking away from the original post /thread on counseling given and all that stemmed from that.
A brave and essential under taking in my view.

Maybe I have said to much already.
Please do no respond to this post, as next thing there will here we go again.

With respect for all who have posted on this subject.

Chris

¤=[Post Update]=¤


This is kind of a "gut check" for a lot of people here. How many "shane" situations are going to occur before people stop looking for a messiah? Like a lot of people, I wanted to believe this guy..but it became quickly apparent to me that he was full of it. Same with Shane, and Corey Goode, and Wilcock. Some people just get off on telling stories and getting a following. My personal stories/experiences sound crazy to those who haven't had them..but I'm not looking to put myself forward as some kind of insider. I'm just a normal human with some mind-expanding experiences under his belt(which I only share here, and with a few select people).

What really bothers me is how so many forum members, and researchers elsewhere keep falling for the same BS again, and again, and again. There doesn't seem to be much of an ability to discern in these types of communities, and I think we all have to try much harder to vet people. Hard to do with such subject matter, but we have to try.

Precisely working actor. So what about finding ways for not falling into these trap anymore and finding ways to make it soooooo simple that anybody can follow the recipe. But we have to find the right recipe first.

[David Trd1]

Whilst im not an overly active member, I have been a fly on the wall for a number of years now and log in at least 3-4 times a week and sometimes daily. Before membership a routine of mine was to come here and have been interested in the Avalon and previously Camelot of the mid / late 2000`s. I have donated to both previously and will again in future and am nothing but grateful and appreciative of the knowledge and augmentation it has provided to the perspective of reality it has helped me achieve, which is ongoing of course.

BUT Frankly i`m somewhat troubled by the direction this forum in particular has been taking in the last 12-18 months. I wonder how many people here are out trying to effect real change in the world and not just sitting in front of a computer, never forget, a wholy Archonic instrument in its truest form, and titillating themselves with crying foul or engaging in discussion about such things and thus adding energetic fuel to something. If a computer is your only outlet of energetic engagement with things of the nature discussed here(generally on the forum) than i find that worrying also. Like everyone else i am no saint, But i have some perspective i feel. I know there are many here that walk their talk but there are many that certainly don`t and you know who you are.

I feel to call Simon a conman and charlatan which many here have without having ever met the man( i haven`t), and the insinuation there is sociopath, is extreme. On balance here is a man that has gone on national TV in Britain as a politician and spoke of these things with the possibility of jeopardizing his chosen career.
I am not defending the man or his actions but i do feel he has provided some service and made mistakes also. He IS Human.

It is also a possibility that he, without his own knowledge, or he may even be suspicious himself( i am in the realm of speculation here), is part of a theme by mantids in particular (i have experience with this group) to acclimatize us collectively to them as a race openly. Regardless i feel that on a broader level there are forces at work that would rather shut him up or shut people down to his message completely this is a dividing energy and is useless energetically, except to drain us. Rather than having balance and perspective and understanding in its truest form.

And in its truest form we can all look at ourselves and not be happy with things we have said or done in the past. Regrets we have or things we wish we had done differently with detachment. With this in mind(and we can all get locked in there at times) i feel some members should hold there tongue and provide space for themselves before adding fuel to any fire. The world is out there, not on this screen. Connect , yes, but do something real with it, and i dont mean make more tea and sit back down again.

I just felt i needed to share.

Take care and be well.

[Chester]

M9JEPeeohYs

[Flash]

M9JEPeeohYs

I see that you like that song Sam.

[araucaria]

Flash has brought her personal experience to confirm the points I made in only a theoretical way, which should make this post below clearer as well; thank you for that.
I wouldn’t usually respond to a post of the type ‘Simon, Shane, Corey Goode..., when will we ever learn?’ But I am making an exception for workingactor. Such posts are themselves in a rut of their own, prompting my reaction: when will we ever learn what? Not to listen to them? Or, how to listen to them? If a child keeps pestering you, you eventually may find out, when you finally stop to listen, that it had something unchildishly important to tell you.

Imagine the ultimate whistleblower with impeccable credentials: say the queen of England. Not going to happen? I guess not, but ever wondered why? I wouldn’t expect a video interview with Bill, so let’s imagine she gets some written testimony on headed notepaper past her handlers at Buckingham Palace. This would be especially interesting because she seems of late to be feeling kinder towards Diana; perhaps after twenty years getting to know and love those hybrid princes – it may not be much, but it is progress, and possibly huge. I have two points to make: first, why would she pick a bunch of antimonarchist zealots to confide in? It would be the ultimate betrayal, i.e. high treason by the monarch against the crown. Secondly, given that the likely answer is that in order to speak about her reptilian blood it makes sense to seek an audience that has some little acquaintance with the phenomenon, the issue then becomes: but, oh dear, their understanding is so limited, they get stung whenever one opens one’s mouth. How on earth does one get through to them? In other words, at the very stage when important information needs to be exchanged, communications have dried up to a trickle and the elite is more aloof than ever. QED

Reptilians do unhuman things, they do inhuman things: get over it, they do human things as well. I am British born, but I do unBritish things like having to turn over my pounds and pennies to work out what change to pay with. People can be more than one thing at a time, it doesn’t make them duplicitous. A foreigner gets nothing but patience when counting their change, a local often a lot of impatience. If the queen is alien, where is the patience and indeed the admiration for what she has achieved? She is fully bilingual and assimilated, and why should she shake off entirely her alien ways? The normal human response should be tolerance and understanding; what we have instead here is whistle-blowing (illegal immigrants go home!). We should be saying, ‘You’ve passed off as human for so long, wow that’s pretty impressive! And you’ve sure worked out our money better than we have! (Oh, it was you who invented our money system?! :)) But there are one or two local customs that you don’t seem to have got the hang of, and it’s causing quite a bit of bother in the neighbourhood. We need to sort out these issues together.’

What makes the situation different in this case is the unbearable master/slave relationship. Well, I have a fresh perspective on that particular meme. Joseph Farrell traces our modern financial rulers back to the ‘financial vipers of Venice’ all the way back to ‘Babylon’s banksters’. How did they transition from Babylon to Venice, you ask? Answer: as Roman slaves, who were later made freedmen. So the master/slave relationship is not cast in stone from millennia ago: it is reversible, meaning that when you rise to number one, you become jittery, because there is only one direction to go from there: downwards. In other words, while the relationship itself is ancient, the respective personnel is changeable, reversible: today’s master was yesterday’s slave who was the day before yesterday’s master. Hence all the fear is built into the system, working both ways. To remove the fear, the initiative has to lie with the weaker party: the idea to quell the master’s fears is to work, not towards a traditional role reversal, but towards a new non-hierarchical relationship of mutual respect to replace the fear. This means that the weak must become strong, but only to the point of equilibrium, without swinging the pendulum back the other way by making the strong weak.

Respect for the elite or anyone else means to be utterly serious. So far we have been trifling with people, picking and choosing which bits to relate to and which to reject. You have to take the individual as seriously as they take themselves, whole and entire, including the potentially dangerous bits. When we are able to do that, we can expect a call from the queen, not before; until then, we are like the Chinese overlooking the red carpet for Obama – why upset someone if you want them to do something for you? Greater knowledge has to mean greater respect, not loss of respect. So when the queen calls in, the ever-courteous Bill may need to doff his hat :)

Whistleblowers are game-changers, and so are forums like Avalon. Let me illustrate this with the example of a real game, rugby, and how it might be changed. Rugby is a game of confrontation through cooperation between two opposing sides, approximating a nonlethal remake of the Battle of Verdun – trench warfare to gain or lose a few meters of mud – with the occasional exhilaration of fast-flowing passing moves covering half the length of the pitch or more. One basic rule of rugby is that you have to pass the ball backwards into your our camp; a forward pass means you lose possession either directly or by conceding a scrum, so you are not going to be very popular with your teammates if you do it too often or too critically. From the reverse perspective of one side, opponents might appear to be making forward passes all the time, but from their own perspective, they are not breaking the (same) rules at all: this is how confrontational situations work, or rather tend towards stalemate. Whistle-blowing breaks the forward pass rule: it passes the ball (information) to the other side. But notice how from the opposition’s perspective, forums like Avalon are doing exactly the same thing in the opposite direction, i.e. passing on (say to reptilians) information (about humanity). They may think they are exclusively serving their own cause, their own kind, but of course that is nonsense: the elite is learning all it can about the best in ordinary humanity, and a very good thing too; so far we have not shown them just how brilliant we really are and why they need us, but we are getting there. So we see how in both games, confrontation tends to break down under the pressure of cooperation. This is why ‘conspiracy theorists’ are nearly as unpopular among their own as whistle-blowers among the elite – and as a corollary, whistle-blowers are always going to be on a rollercoaster among ‘conspiracy theorists’ until both groups morph into something else. The eminent Henry Deacon recently joined the forum and only lasted a couple of days: now you know why.

What the two groups have in common is, as I said, this game-changing potential: not to everyone’s liking, as many enjoy the game the way it has always been played. But we see how the game itself relies on a paradox: the rules are made to be broken. Gaining possession amounts to provoking a forward pass: the only difference when you keep to the rules is that if your opponent won’t give you the ball, you have to grab it from him. So how would the game of rugby change if everyone started playing more for the other side? Skill would be less of an issue, and it might revert somewhat to the kiddies’ playground, but then again, what would be the harm of that if it generated the same excitement that grownups tend to lose? There would ultimately only be one side and the exhilaration of fast-flowing passing moves covering half the length of the pitch or more would become the only game in town, and indeed would quickly cover half the length of the town and beyond. Of course there would be little or no opposition, which would be dull? Well, not quite: instead of operating on the enclosed proverbial level playing field, the field itself would provide adequate opposition in the shape of trees to avoid, hills to climb, rivers to cross etc. The game of cooperation plus confrontation would evolve into something more universally cooperative on the lines of trail running. This is in fact the direction in which sport is evolving right now, driven of course by society generally. Meanwhile, elite rugby players are getting bigger and stronger, yet faster and more skilful as they seek to emulate this new exhilaration within the bounds of the traditional approach of physical confrontation; as they do so, they are sustaining more frequent and more serious brain and other damage: the sport is getting too dangerous. Transpose this to the ancient ‘game’ of master/slave warfare between elites and all-comers: this is how the game is changing. At this intermediate stage, things have become highly confused: who is a whistle-blower, who a truth-seeker? What side is everyone on? And even, who the hell is on the field – for as the game plan changes, both sides will be bringing on fresh personnel, making tactical substitutions. Slowly the truth will emerge that we are all on the same side; this will happen – the hard part of all this – once we decide on the direction we wish to follow. And then there will be no more spectators: they will invade the pitch and join in too.

[onawah]

That was exhilarating reading! Thanks Araucaria!

[PathWalker]

Slowly the truth will emerge that we are all on the same side; this will happen – the hard part of all this – once we decide on the direction we wish to follow. And then there will be no more spectators: they will invade the pitch and join in too.

Hallelujah for this post.

I am still active member due to such spiritual awakening posts!!!
A diamond in the rough!.


When we awaken from this make belief drama. We will understand that:
1. We are them and they are us. Just interchanging the role/team.
2. Hierarchy and superiority are aspects of limitation game you (the reader) put on our selves (game rules are limitations).
3. Saying 1 and 2 the PA is compromised, was always and will be.
4. We play the polarity/truth/drama game as long as we need...
5. The game is coming to head: as the roles are more apparent, the rules/limitations may change.

Sorry for writing this very abstract fluffy post, with my broken English.
I invite competent member to transform this post #173 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1098778&viewfull=1#post1098778) plus the former #171 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1098540&viewfull=1#post1098540) to more concrete with examples from PA history.
Thanks again.
Together we grow.

[DePortugal]

I feel to call Simon a conman and charlatan which many here have without having ever met the man( i haven`t), and the insinuation there is sociopath, is extreme. l.



Simon Parkes is an honest man. Falling in love is a marvellous and a normal human feeling.
Falling into a difficult relation that results in one or two broken hearts is happening millions of times every day around the world.
What is dirty is a third party to write and publish about what that person know very little, know partially and only from one side, write about what is totally private, even if that situation is not true but could be fabricated.
In time probably Bill Ryan will create a new title for his helpers besides Moderators, and the best title will be Inquisitor, and give the title of Master Inquisitor to Sierra.

[Flash]

This is truly undue judgment on lots of members here. That I agree or not with them, they certainly do not deserve your high horse judgments and mostly not those who may have been abused.

It seems right now that onle Araucarie, pathfinder and a few others understand where this thread is heading and you do not seem to be part of it. Or maybe your comnent want to reignite emotions precisely because you know too well where it is heading...?

Please avalonians, do not take that bait.






I feel to call Simon a conman and charlatan which many here have without having ever met the man( i haven`t), and the insinuation there is sociopath, is extreme. l.



Simon Parkes is an honest man. Falling in love is a marvellous and a normal human feeling.
Falling into a difficult relation that results in one or two broken hearts is happening millions of times every day around the world.
What is dirty is a third party to write and publish about what that person know very little, know partially and only from one side, write about what is totally private, even if that situation is not true but could be fabricated.
In time probably Bill Ryan will create a new title for his helpers besides Moderators, and the best title will be Inquisitor, and give the title of Master Inquisitor to Sierra.

[Spellbound]

I'm still waiting for that earthquake, WWIII (Germany), and for the US election to be postponed.

Dave - Toronto

[RunningDeer]

This is truly undue judgment on lots of members here. That I agree or not with them, they certainly do not deserve your high horse judgments and mostly not those who may have been abused.




I feel to call Simon a conman and charlatan which many here have without having ever met the man( i haven`t), and the insinuation there is sociopath, is extreme. l.

Simon Parkes is an honest man. Falling in love is a marvellous and a normal human feeling.
Falling into a difficult relation that results in one or two broken hearts is happening millions of times every day around the world.
What is dirty is a third party to write and publish about what that person know very little, know partially and only from one side, write about what is totally private, even if that situation is not true but could be fabricated.
In time probably Bill Ryan will create a new title for his helpers besides Moderators, and the best title will be Inquisitor, and give the title of Master Inquisitor to Sierra.

My thoughts too, Flash.

What I noticed:

DePortugal joined Avalon May 19, 2015. Out of 15 posts, he addresses: Bill in eight, Sierra in one, and Paul in one.

Some posts are unsupportive of others. What are the odds of no communication with the over 1200 active members and most of the dialogue is towards administration?

In DePortugal’s other few post, he did not appear to join in the conversation, unless one considers shaking a finger at others is communication.


*****

To DePortugal - feel free to drop me a hello there on my message board (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?10697-RunningDeer). I'll send one back and promise it'll be upbeat and no rainbows and unicorns.
Balance in communication rocks. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-smiley-with-sign-806386_zpsfule86dp.GIF


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Eight of the fifteen posts with references to Bill, Sierra and/or Paul:

Post 174 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1098930&viewfull=1#post1098930) - Sierra and Bill

Post 71 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93152-Simon-Parkes-Questions-of-integrity-and-credibility&p=1096733&viewfull=1#post1096733) - Bill

Post 196 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1010144&viewfull=1#post1010144) - Paul & Bill

Post 173 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1009636&viewfull=1#post1009636) - Bill

Post 157 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1009426&viewfull=1#post1009426) - Bill

Post 92 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85903-Anomalies-in-The-Ruiner-s-material&p=1008711&viewfull=1#post1008711) - Bill

Post 175 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85651-Is-the-counterculture-today-doing-a-better-job-than-the-counterculture-in-the-60s-and-70s&p=1008433&viewfull=1#post1008433) - Bill

Post 30 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84886-Simon-Parkes-The-Alien-Agenda-August-2015&p=996759&viewfull=1#post996759) - Bill


RunningDeer

[Sierra]

Ara:
Your most recent post made me wonder, are rulers like Queen Elizabeth put through the mind control process or are their brains integrated albeit hybridized?

If one is hybridized, does one have free choice or is one subject to the whims of one's hybrid sides as humans are subject to emotions not under control, whether through lack of parental training/dysfunctional family patterns or culture (I think of the Mideast, and their patterns of killing women and children)?

Are we talking two separate subjects here, hybrids VS mind control victims?

I can relate to someone who wants to eat me out of need (I can understand if Diablo wishes to eat me, lol), but I'm not sure eating me for the delicious pain and fear loosh sauce, falls into the same category.

[araucaria]

Ara:
Your most recent post made me wonder, are rulers like Queen Elizabeth put through the mind control process or are their brains integrated albeit hybridized?

If one is hybridized, does one have free choice or is one subject to the whims of one's hybrid sides as humans are subject to emotions not under control, whether through lack of parental training/dysfunctional family patterns or culture (I think of the Mideast, and their patterns of killing women and children)?

Are we talking two separate subjects here, hybrids VS mind control victims?

I can relate to someone who wants to eat me out of need (I can understand if Diablo wishes to eat me, lol), but I'm not sure eating me for the delicious pain and fear loosh sauce, falls into the same category.
Thank you Sierra for a post that raises a host of issues. I am going to start with a list of bullet points and hope that they will lead to something more coherent.

1) Diabolo/Spirit the panther is clearly a very gentle analogy to be making with regard to elite reptilians. It seems to be in the nature of this panther, if not all panthers, NOT to snarl at/bite/eat humans except in unusually difficult circumstances caused by humans. But the main point is that whatever its nature, its behaviour can be changed for the better, instantly and easily for someone who speaks their language, and permanently for the (here) panther when it find it works better this way. Rupert Sheldrake will tell you that the laws of physics are not cast in stone; neither are the laws of nature: a change of behaviour I believe will ultimately lead to a change of nature. As I tried to show in my last post, no species is monolithic, it has its individuals, who will differ from the stereotype all the way to the game changers, with a hundred monkeys right behind them ready to follow their lead. This understanding is of course crucial to the avoidance of racism in its many guises.

2) Similarly, Simon Parkes is probably the gentlest reptilian you are going to find. How do we get him to change the predatory aspect of his behaviour? This is the alpha test, the very first step we have to pass before the hard stuff even begins. If we stumble at this early stage, if we throw him under the bus, then we are going nowhere. My example of the queen was simply one of an unimpeachable whistle-blower who would encounter the same problems with us, and we with her: we don’t understand each other nearly enough to get on. We need interpreters, either neutral interpreters or a team of interpreters on both sides. Simon would like to be our interpreter, but this is like Obama going along to the Kremlin without a translator and relying on Putin’s; it’s not going to work.

3) Most alien encounters, be it with big cats or aliens per se, are going to generate huge fear (of the unknown and potential violence – claws and fangs vs guns etc.), so that is all we ever get to hear about (a bit like the mainstream press). Perhaps counter-intuitively, psychopaths mostly get a bad press too. Only the other day, they were explaining how they mostly gravitate towards jobs like top management, lawyers, surgeons and the like, conveniently forgetting how we need jobs and effective businesses to provide them; or how, when wrongly accused of murder, we need a good lawyer – possibly one capable of saving even a guilty person. Or how, after a car smashup, we need a competent surgeon to put us back together, which requires zero emotional interference, i.e. the ability to treat us like a lump of meat. Simply, non-psychopathic surgeons will take their emotions home, and leave them at the door when they come in to work. In other words, psychopathic tendencies have their upside and are sometimes necessary; unfortunately however, the downside can take charge.

4) Talking of meat and stereotypes, eating habits seem to be an issue that humans are particularly squirmish about, as if there were something we don’t understand about the whole business. It is not by chance that the French are called frogs, even though the majority rarely if ever touch the things, or the British are known to them as ‘les rosbifs’ (owing to their complexion in the sun turning to the colour of raw roastbeef) , or the Italians ‘macaronis’, etc.. Man-eating is the end term of this sequence, a subject I broached here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81354-Reclaiming-the-neutral-middle-ground&p=950217&viewfull=1#post950217). All I can say at this point is that eating habits change too, but it takes time. The French will be called frogs long after they have kicked the habit altogether. We now have massive veganism, which was unheard of before. What we are to eat is the life-and-death issue for humans. Given that they say that to gain the nutritional value of one apple fifty years ago, we would need to eat a hundred apples today, the answer inevitably depends on the cleaning up of this planet, or we shall surely starve. This is the ultimate vital issue. Remember how in 2001 A Space Odyssey, man’s first game-changing brush with the monolith leads to the learning of the violent gestures required for a steady supply of protein. This is the ultimate vital issue that we share with reptilians, since their supply of human protein and/or fear is running out, albeit to their much slower timetable. We need to solve this issue together, with humans leading the way because we function so much faster. This means that we are able to react swiftly enough to changing circumstances, but those changes will happen too fast for a slower species such as reptilians or, I suggest, dinosaurs. This is man’s real trump card; it has nothing to do with his ability to emote and everything to do with his internal clock running at high speed: like a canary in a mineshaft indicating trouble long before it affects miners. The corollary of this is that for all we know, reptilians are perfectly capable of emotion, but over a much longer time scale: just as everything is planned millennia in advance, what we understand as emotion may kick in millennia down the line and imperceptibly slowly.

5) Fear however would be an exception to this overall setup, since fear is anticipatory in nature. I am not sure how fear gets to become a useful food sauce (not a pun: just a typo :)), as it implies a problematic leap from the physical realm to the immaterial; but it is easy enough to see how it would dry up. I imagine reptilians have been eating humans purely for their meat/protein value until they reached the stage when they had to eat 100 of us to get the nutritional value of one in former times. Hence overpopulation is no accident, it is the equivalent of intensive farming producing increasingly high yields in terms of quantity and increasingly poor yields in terms of quality. This will have been anticipated for a very long time in human terms. Hence the reptilians are themselves hugely afraid, and even more fearful since they understand their own fear to attract an even bigger predator, whose prey they themselves will become. Is it because people are getting less afraid – most even laugh at the very idea of reptilians even existing at all? Not necessarily: this may be just metaphysical ‘coincidence’ i.e. mumbo-jumbo, when the real cause is simply feeding us on nutrition-depleted food sprayed with a ‘holy mountain’ (Monsanto) of fertilizer and pesticides. Is it karma, or perhaps just a poisoned food chain? Metaphysics as a fear-driven form of spirituality: fear takes you off into the realm of fantasy, nightmares and all kinds of monsters. Hence the need to de-dramatize: it’s no more than a bad dream.

6) This puts a whole new slant on my analogy of two rugby packs racing forward together, no longer for the sheer exhilaration of moving forward, but stampeding away from some pursuing predator and the devil take the hindmost. Since we are basically talking about hares and tortoises, we know that the reptilians collectively are going to be in the rear, and that those most set in their reptilian ways, the retrograde rearguard, are going to qualify as the devil’s hindmost. So what you will find is the more progressive ones escaping piggyback on humans through the process known as hybridization. In this stampede, most if not all humans are in no personal danger at all apart from being caught up in the general panic, and unless so hampered through mind control by their reptilian hitchhiker as to fall way back. Perhaps they see themselves as being first to go, like canaries in a mineshaft. I am mixing my metaphors, I know, because you see, there is an analogy for every viewpoint: the actual reality is all and none of these things.

7) This paints a totally alien picture from a human standpoint, one in which anything remotely approaching enlightenment plays no part. A stampede is started not from the front but from the rear, by the least evolved, the most vulnerable, who feel danger most acutely, because if it were anywhere, that is precisely where it would be. It doesn’t have to be this way. An alternative view of the situation might be that of a flock of migrating geese, guided from the front by the wisest elders among them who have made the trip before and know the way to fresh feeding-grounds. Obviously those in the rear will be younger, more inexperienced and unsure of what is going on. Their job is to stick in there without causing panic that would put them in charge in a negative and illusory sort of way. Their flight resembles running away from something, but if they could only take the time to look behind them, they would know they are not being chased. What they do have around and behind them is actually a negative quantity, namely a pressure drop caused by the collective slipstream, which is the very force that carries them forward along with the others, compensating in advance for their lesser ability and strength. The result is the same, only it is a positive, not a negative, driving force.

8) The mixed constitution of someone like Simon Parkes points to an entity somewhere in the middle of the flock, which is an interesting vantage point for collecting useful info coming from the front and passing it on to the rear, while also being sufficiently far back to receive and pass on the negative emotions coming from behind. Like every other position, it is an important one, because fulfilling this dual function is how every entity acts independently as an individual and the flock collectively as a single unit.

I started by hoping a list of bullet points would lead to something more coherent. Having reached the finish, I rather think they do, exactly like a flock of geese.

[ulli]

Nice analogy there with the flying geese, araucaria, but I still would like to add that it is good advice to not stand underneath their path, because whether they fly in front, middle or back of the gaggle, none respect bathroom rules.

[araucaria]

Nice analogy there with the flying geese, araucaria, but I still would like to add that it is good advice to not stand underneath their path, because whether they fly in front, middle or back of the gaggle, none respect bathroom rules.
Thanks Ulli. This is only an analogy, so it is moot whether it makes any sense to talk about this perpendicular plane of yours; if it does, then in addition to passive victims, you might also like to look in the other direction to active opponents raining on this parade. Sh!t does happen and so do adverse weather conditions, which goes to show we don’t need infighting as well. And perhaps the one is causing the other – incontinence induced by fear, nothing new there.

[3(C)+me]

Oh Araucaria, you and your posts. I do find it hard at times not to respond to them, but where are the obvious reversals?
I have some time so let's proceed.



Flash has brought her personal experience to confirm the points I made in only a theoretical way, which should make this post below clearer as well; thank you for that.
I wouldn’t usually respond to a post of the type ‘Simon, Shane, Corey Goode..., when will we ever learn?’ But I am making an exception for workingactor. Such posts are themselves in a rut of their own, prompting my reaction: when will we ever learn what? Not to listen to them? Or, how to listen to them? If a child keeps pestering you, you eventually may find out, when you finally stop to listen, that it had something unchildishly important to tell you.

Imagine the ultimate whistleblower with impeccable credentials: say the queen of England. Not going to happen? I guess not, but ever wondered why? I wouldn’t expect a video interview with Bill, so let’s imagine she gets some written testimony on headed notepaper past her handlers at Buckingham Palace. This would be especially interesting because she seems of late to be feeling kinder towards Diana; perhaps after twenty years getting to know and love those hybrid princes – it may not be much, but it is progress, and possibly huge. I have two points to make: first, why would she pick a bunch of antimonarchist zealots to confide in? It would be the ultimate betrayal, i.e. high treason by the monarch against the crown. Secondly, given that the likely answer is that in order to speak about her reptilian blood it makes sense to seek an audience that has some little acquaintance with the phenomenon, the issue then becomes: but, oh dear, their understanding is so limited, they get stung whenever one opens one’s mouth. How on earth does one get through to them? In other words, at the very stage when important information needs to be exchanged, communications have dried up to a trickle and the elite is more aloof than ever. QED

Reptilians do unhuman things, they do inhuman things: get over it, they do human things as well. I am British born, but I do unBritish things like having to turn over my pounds and pennies to work out what change to pay with. People can be more than one thing at a time, it doesn’t make them duplicitous. A foreigner gets nothing but patience when counting their change, a local often a lot of impatience. If the queen is alien, where is the patience and indeed the admiration for what she has achieved? She is fully bilingual and assimilated, and why should she shake off entirely her alien ways? The normal human response should be tolerance and understanding; what we have instead here is whistle-blowing (illegal immigrants go home!). We should be saying, ‘You’ve passed off as human for so long, wow that’s pretty impressive! And you’ve sure worked out our money better than we have! (Oh, it was you who invented our money system?! :)) But there are one or two local customs that you don’t seem to have got the hang of, and it’s causing quite a bit of bother in the neighbourhood. We need to sort out these issues together.’

What makes the situation different in this case is the unbearable master/slave relationship. Well, I have a fresh perspective on that particular meme. Joseph Farrell traces our modern financial rulers back to the ‘financial vipers of Venice’ all the way back to ‘Babylon’s banksters’. How did they transition from Babylon to Venice, you ask? Answer: as Roman slaves, who were later made freedmen. So the master/slave relationship is not cast in stone from millennia ago: it is reversible, meaning that when you rise to number one, you become jittery, because there is only one direction to go from there: downwards. In other words, while the relationship itself is ancient, the respective personnel is changeable, reversible: today’s master was yesterday’s slave who was the day before yesterday’s master. Hence all the fear is built into the system, working both ways. To remove the fear, the initiative has to lie with the weaker party: the idea to quell the master’s fears is to work, not towards a traditional role reversal, but towards a new non-hierarchical relationship of mutual respect to replace the fear. This means that the weak must become strong, but only to the point of equilibrium, without swinging the pendulum back the other way by making the strong weak.

Respect for the elite or anyone else means to be utterly serious. So far we have been trifling with people, picking and choosing which bits to relate to and which to reject. You have to take the individual as seriously as they take themselves, whole and entire, including the potentially dangerous bits. When we are able to do that, we can expect a call from the queen, not before; until then, we are like the Chinese overlooking the red carpet for Obama – why upset someone if you want them to do something for you? Greater knowledge has to mean greater respect, not loss of respect. So when the queen calls in, the ever-courteous Bill may need to doff his hat :)

Whistleblowers are game-changers, and so are forums like Avalon. Let me illustrate this with the example of a real game, rugby, and how it might be changed. Rugby is a game of confrontation through cooperation between two opposing sides, approximating a nonlethal remake of the Battle of Verdun – trench warfare to gain or lose a few meters of mud – with the occasional exhilaration of fast-flowing passing moves covering half the length of the pitch or more. One basic rule of rugby is that you have to pass the ball backwards into your our camp; a forward pass means you lose possession either directly or by conceding a scrum, so you are not going to be very popular with your teammates if you do it too often or too critically. From the reverse perspective of one side, opponents might appear to be making forward passes all the time, but from their own perspective, they are not breaking the (same) rules at all: this is how confrontational situations work, or rather tend towards stalemate. Whistle-blowing breaks the forward pass rule: it passes the ball (information) to the other side. But notice how from the opposition’s perspective, forums like Avalon are doing exactly the same thing in the opposite direction, i.e. passing on (say to reptilians) information (about humanity). They may think they are exclusively serving their own cause, their own kind, but of course that is nonsense: the elite is learning all it can about the best in ordinary humanity, and a very good thing too; so far we have not shown them just how brilliant we really are and why they need us, but we are getting there. So we see how in both games, confrontation tends to break down under the pressure of cooperation. This is why ‘conspiracy theorists’ are nearly as unpopular among their own as whistle-blowers among the elite – and as a corollary, whistle-blowers are always going to be on a rollercoaster among ‘conspiracy theorists’ until both groups morph into something else. The eminent Henry Deacon recently joined the forum and only lasted a couple of days: now you know why.

What do these guys have to tell us? It depends on the person.
If you want to sit at their feet and look up at them with worship in your eyes, well, then being free is not going to happen no matter how many times you tell yourself it will happen.

People say they want freedom but I think secretly they are afraid of it, it takes personal responsibility, better to listen to this guy and take it all in.

Can you see them as someone who is trying to sell you something and then be able to name it. Then you got some choice as to how to proceed.
It can tell you that in the end it doesn't matter what they say, because in the end the person's choices, viewpoints and actions will lead them to freedom or to this ongoing slavery which the Queen does represent.

The queens feeling for Diana has softened?
Are you fu#king kidding me?.
This is theater...a plant, a let's see if they buy this?
She, who eats babies at midnight and have people disappear off the streets and think nothing of it.
(I for one minute do not believe you believe this, Araucaria but I think you want to suggest that we believe this)

What exactly are her accomplishments? She has a certain bloodline that she was born into. She lives a long time to due her stealing other's life force. She has someone who followers her around to collect her poop. She expects to be worshiped because of her family line.

Simon will never be able to be rehabilitated. Psychopaths do not change with therapy (the research is very CLEAR on this point) Therapy makes them better psychopaths.

Who brought psychopathology to this earth...
I will give you one guess.

So you see, we need to get smart and deal with them for what they actually are, heartless control freaks who takes without asking and expects us to remain on our knees.

Let's start with Simon.

[ulli]

Nice analogy there with the flying geese, araucaria, but I still would like to add that it is good advice to not stand underneath their path, because whether they fly in front, middle or back of the gaggle, none respect bathroom rules.
Thanks Ulli. This is only an analogy, so it is moot whether it makes any sense to talk about this perpendicular plane of yours; if it does, then in addition to passive victims, you might also like to look in the other direction to active opponents raining on this parade. Sh!t does happen and so do adverse weather conditions, which goes to show we don’t need infighting as well. And perhaps the one is causing the other – incontinence induced by fear, nothing new there.

You know full well I was "raining on your parade" (which were exactly my thoughts when I wrote the above, by the way) with tongue placed firmly in my cheek.;)

[onawah]

The impression about Loosh that I've always had is that it feeds the Reptilians' sense of dominance and power, and to be deprived of it may not result so much in physical death, but in a kind of ego-death, which might actually lead to a spiritual birth of sorts, at least in hybrids.
I think that is a subject that needs more exploration.
It's interesting to me that two people I have known personally who I am sure were largely ( or at least recently) Reptilian were both vegetarian animal lovers, though both had problems with humankind's ignorance.
They are a match for the description we have been given about Reptilians being very tough, hard working and dedicated to their work.
One was a 4th generation Apache medicine woman (who died recently).
When we first met, she told me that she had come here from a Reptilian planet.
That completely floored me because I had only just begun to read about Reptilians on the internet and didn't know there were Service to Other Reptilians as well as Service to Self.
I thought perhaps she had told me that she was Reptilian because she was intending to frighten and toy with me as her prey! :croc: :faint: :lol:
But she explained it was a STO race, allied with Lyran races, that had been at war for a long time with STS Reptilians.
(She had not read a lot about that anywhere as far as I know and she didn't use those terms; she wasn't online at that time and this was 12 years ago, in any case, when that kind of information wasn't so widely available).
But she had direct past life memories from several lifetimes.
I soon realized she wanted to be a friend, and that she was as dedicated to the few friendships that she had as she was to her work.
She didn't lie, was very tough, honorable, and had put her two sons through college by driving semi trucks for a living before she retired and started doing healing work.
She delivered goods as a truck driver to underground bases in the Southwest, and had seen UFOs.
She had memories of being a member of a Sirian feline race as well, and she identified as much with that race as with the Reptilian.
(A few years ago, when I told her about the feline races that James Gilliland at ECETI has been talking about, she was very interested.)
She also remembered a lifetime in Atlantis as a human serving in the Temple, but she identified less with humans, and she was always amazed at the amount of ignorance she encountered here on a daily basis.
It was certainly an unusual friendship, but it helped prepare me for other hybrids I was yet to meet, and gave me a lot of food for thought.

The other Reptilian I knew personally was also very hard working and dedicated, but her self-admitted puzzlement over and inability to resonate with human emotions was pronounced.
I had a very hard time understanding and getting along with her until I realized what she was (thanks to the descriptions we have been given).
She was absolutely indefatigable, working many more hours than she was paid for and with such determined dedication that most people were in awe of her, but she had very little real empathy for victim mentality.
She was aloof until I began to understand what I was dealing with, but then her attitude towards me changed ( though it didn't exactly "warm"), in that I think I had gained her respect.
She seemed to sense somehow that I had "done my homework".

I've posted about these experiences before, but I don't know on what threads now. I don't care about getting attention for myself, but I think we can agree that some of the hostility on Avalon of late has been due to incredulity from members who have no direct experience with hybrids or refuse to entertain the idea that understanding them better may become a necessity as Earth moves closer to being a more openly intergalactic society (which seems to be happening, whether we like it or not).
Perhaps it would be helpful if more members would share their experiences with hybrids more, not just with other "experiencers" but with the forum at large so it won't register as being so unusual and unfamiliar a topic.
We fear what we don't understand, but I've had enough exposure to hybrids by now (including Zetas and Pleiadians), that I have grown more curious about them. Though some may think that anything but rejection is foolish as ETs can certainly be dangerous, but humans can be dangerous too when we are so reactive, particularly since we are largely unaware of our own power.
But I don't think avoidance is going to be so much of an option anymore.
Fear and ignorance are the enemies of any race, but communication and diplomacy (expolitics) create the ground where understanding can grow and that is always helpful.

[araucaria]

Nice analogy there with the flying geese, araucaria, but I still would like to add that it is good advice to not stand underneath their path, because whether they fly in front, middle or back of the gaggle, none respect bathroom rules.
Thanks Ulli. This is only an analogy, so it is moot whether it makes any sense to talk about this perpendicular plane of yours; if it does, then in addition to passive victims, you might also like to look in the other direction to active opponents raining on this parade. Sh!t does happen and so do adverse weather conditions, which goes to show we don’t need infighting as well. And perhaps the one is causing the other – incontinence induced by fear, nothing new there.

You know full well I was "raining on your parade" (which were exactly my thoughts when I wrote the above, by the way) with tongue placed firmly in my cheek.;)
I know, I know, a nice refreshing drizzle, thank you :)
Yesterday we had our first rain in a while, and I was able to light some bonfires. Counterintuitive? You bet.

[Debra]

The impression about Loosh that I've always had is that it feeds the Reptilians' sense of dominance and power, and to be deprived of it may not result so much in physical death, but in a kind of ego-death, which might actually lead to a spiritual birth of sorts, at least in hybrids.
I think that is a subject that needs more exploration.
It's interesting to me that two people I have known personally who I am sure were largely ( or at least recently) Reptilian were both vegetarian animal lovers, though both had problems with humankind's ignorance.
They are a match for the description we have been given about Reptilians being very tough, hard working and dedicated to their work.
One was a 4th generation Apache medicine woman (who died recently).
When we first met, she told me that she had come here from a Reptilian planet.
That completely floored me because I had only just begun to read about Reptilians on the internet and didn't know there were Service to Other Reptilians as well as Service to Self.
I thought perhaps she had told me that she was Reptilian because she was intending to frighten and toy with me as her prey! :croc: :faint: :lol:
But she explained it was a STO race, allied with Lyran races, that had been at war for a long time with STS Reptilians.
(She had not read a lot about that anywhere as far as I know and she didn't use those terms; she wasn't online at that time and this was 12 years ago, in any case, when that kind of information wasn't so widely available).
But she had direct past life memories from several lifetimes.
I soon realized she wanted to be a friend, and that she was as dedicated to the few friendships that she had as she was to her work.
She didn't lie, was very tough, honorable, and had put her two sons through college by driving semi trucks for a living before she retired and started doing healing work.
She delivered goods as a truck driver to underground bases in the Southwest, and had seen UFOs.
She had memories of being a member of a Sirian feline race as well, and she identified as much with that race as with the Reptilian.
(A few years ago, when I told her about the feline races that James Gilliland at ECETI has been talking about, she was very interested.)
She also remembered a lifetime in Atlantis as a human serving in the Temple, but she identified less with humans, and she was always amazed at the amount of ignorance she encountered here on a daily basis.
It was certainly an unusual friendship, but it helped prepare me for other hybrids I was yet to meet, and gave me a lot of food for thought.

The other Reptilian I knew personally was also very hard working and dedicated, but her self-admitted puzzlement over and inability to resonate with human emotions was pronounced.
I had a very hard time understanding and getting along with her until I realized what she was (thanks to the descriptions we have been given).
She was absolutely indefatigable, working many more hours than she was paid for and with such determined dedication that most people were in awe of her, but she had very little real empathy for victim mentality.
She was aloof until I began to understand what I was dealing with, but then her attitude towards me changed ( though it didn't exactly "warm"), in that I think I had gained her respect.
She seemed to sense somehow that I had "done my homework".

I've posted about these experiences before, but I don't know on what threads now. I don't care about getting attention for myself, but I think we can agree that some of the hostility on Avalon of late has been due to incredulity from members who have no direct experience with hybrids or refuse to entertain the idea that understanding them better may become a necessity as Earth moves closer to being a more openly intergalactic society (which seems to be happening, whether we like it or not).
Perhaps it would be helpful if more members would share their experiences with hybrids more, not just with other "experiencers" but with the forum at large so it won't register as being so unusual and unfamiliar a topic.
We fear what we don't understand, but I've had enough exposure to hybrids by now (including Zetas and Pleiadians), that I have grown more curious about them. Though some may think that anything but rejection is foolish as ETs can certainly be dangerous, but humans can be dangerous too when we are so reactive, particularly since we are largely unaware of our own power.
But I don't think avoidance is going to be so much of an option anymore.
Fear and ignorance are the enemies of any race, but communication and diplomacy (expolitics) create the ground where understanding can grow and that is always helpful.


Awesome post Onawah. Thank you. I love when you share your personal experiences and bring your understanding to light through your personal stories. I think you should write a book.

I too have experienced those living amongst us. Gosh I remember deeply the party I was invited to one evening to discover I was at a gathering of Pleaidians - their children too. The ambience was quite dreamlike and high frequency - no alcohol or drugs were at this party.

And then there are some other individuals very close to me, well I have been possessed with the thought for a long time now that they are reptilian and it's been a roller coaster for me in dealing with them. Can be very cold. And if really pushed, I know they would kill - which is where I do get scared. And that for me is not OK.

I am punching this out on a phone at the moment so can't elaborate more but just wanted to say lets get into more of these exo conversations.

Disclosure .. Dang it's been around for long while :ROFL:

[onawah]

Thanks Debra.
Nice to feel I am possibly coming out of the Avalon doghouse a little now, :happy dog: and triggering less anger for a change.
I am actually in the process of writing my life story.
I doubt I will publish it, but will definitely share it with some people.
It's almost impossible to put some experiences into words that most people can understand or believe, so I often have to just hope that my sincerity will speak where words fail.
When I look back, there is a definite pattern that led step by step to each new revelation, and writing it all out really helps more to connect the dots, piece by piece.
And that may help others to understand how I come to the conclusions that I do about metaphysics, unexplained phenomena, exopolitics, etc. however outlandish they may seem, especially when taken out of context and seeming to come out of the blue.
So I find the theory that we are being prepared by "Great Mystery" (or whatever you want to call Cosmic Intelligence) for our next leap in evolution to be quite plausible, and am ready to entertain lots of possibilities.

[araucaria]

Who brought psychopathology to this earth...
I will give you one guess.
Oh good, someone with insider knowledge of how this reality show all works – or not. Maybe you just read someone (probably David Icke) talking about some interviewee (Arizona Wilder?) who saw the queen. I have a couple of firsthand experiences that tell me that you are in no position to be giving people one guess at anything – and most others here will have their own stories that make nonsense of the very idea.

There was the time my wife saw my sister. Well actually, no she didn’t. My sister was dead, my wife was asleep and we were on a full plane. There were a couple of good reasons for this hallucination, by which I mean a moment in a personal reality that I could not share. First, when my wife woke up with a start and in a state, I had just been reading a book on the paranormal discussing this very phenomenon of seeing someone who is dead. So there was a shared reality between us, since my wife was visualizing something that I was conceptualizing. Why my sister? Because we were flying out to her son’s wedding, saddened by the thought that she would not be there. Her hallucinated presence somehow marked the reality of her absence. Later, as the wedding service was about to commence, I was happily enjoying the music by a string quartet when I was suddenly overcome by the urge to weep: my wife had been thinking about my sister again.

Then there was the time we had courtside seats at a top tennis tournament featuring household names, including four grand slam winners playing on the same day. The concentration of these guys was such that they did not see you even at a distance of a few yards; you simply did not exist in their reality. There was an almost palpable screen between you and them, like a TV screen or what one imagines a remote viewing experience to be like. Here they were doing in real life the things that only they can do, as on TV, or rather, the general perception of such quality is that it is like on Playstation – beyond everyday real. I am reminded of the man in Michael Talbot’s The Holographic Universe hypnotized not only to overlook his daughter but to see through her and tell the time behind her back.

In other words, in certain circumstances, other ‘realities’ can pop in, and this ‘reality’ can just as easily partly pop out or split in two. So to give anyone ‘one guess’ is absurd because there are always at least two answers, and I’m not guessing either. And I say this without resorting to colourful language, OK?

[greybeard]

Yes araucaria---ultimate Truth from the insider Nasargadatta Maharaj --its all a mirage.
In a mirage you can see anything, but its not real--it has no foundation.
Anything that comes and goes is not Truth (from a spiritual perspective)

David Icke has said--- mostly not noticed/discarded /ignored , by hard core followers of conspiracy theories.
"Only unconditional love is real--all else is an illusion"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKEqhODNFGI

[Cidersomerset]

David Icke has said--- mostly not noticed/discarded /ignored ,
by hard core followers of conspiracy theories.
"Only unconditional love is real--all else is an illusion"

Well said Chris I look at Davids headline page most days and its
full of the everyday crap going on, which is part of his work at
trying to wake us up but his spiritual side has developed in
parallel since his awakening in the early 1990's and he usually
puts up something on those lines daily as well.......

By David on 17 September 2016 GMT

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[3(C)+me]

Oh good, someone with insider knowledge of how this reality show all works – or not. Maybe you just read someone (probably David Icke) talking about some interviewee (Arizona Wilder?) who saw the queen. I have a couple of firsthand experiences that tell me that you are in no position to be giving people one guess at anything – and most others here will have their own stories that make nonsense of the very idea.

There was the time my wife saw my sister. Well actually, no she didn’t. My sister was dead, my wife was asleep and we were on a full plane. There were a couple of good reasons for this hallucination, by which I mean a moment in a personal reality that I could not share. First, when my wife woke up with a start and in a state, I had just been reading a book on the paranormal discussing this very phenomenon of seeing someone who is dead. So there was a shared reality between us, since my wife was visualizing something that I was conceptualizing. Why my sister? Because we were flying out to her son’s wedding, saddened by the thought that she would not be there. Her hallucinated presence somehow marked the reality of her absence. Later, as the wedding service was about to commence, I was happily enjoying the music by a string quartet when I was suddenly overcome by the urge to weep: my wife had been thinking about my sister again.

Then there was the time we had courtside seats at a top tennis tournament featuring household names, including four grand slam winners playing on the same day. The concentration of these guys was such that they did not see you even at a distance of a few yards; you simply did not exist in their reality. There was an almost palpable screen between you and them, like a TV screen or what one imagines a remote viewing experience to be like. Here they were doing in real life the things that only they can do, as on TV, or rather, the general perception of such quality is that it is like on Playstation – beyond everyday real. I am reminded of the man in Michael Talbot’s The Holographic Universe hypnotized not only to overlook his daughter but to see through her and tell the time behind her back.

In other words, in certain circumstances, other ‘realities’ can pop in, and this ‘reality’ can just as easily partly pop out or split in two. So to give anyone ‘one guess’ is absurd because there are always at least two answers, and I’m not guessing either. And I say this without resorting to colourful language, OK?

My sincere apologies to you, Araucaria, I have apparently offended you. I can see why that would be. I am so glad the duel days are over, otherwise, I would have to go looking for a good second. And I am a lousy shot, you would no doubt get your satisfaction.

I will not respond to your posts unless I can do that with some sort of decorum and politeness.
That may be difficult for me but not impossible.

:facepalm:

[Omni]

I find this suitable for this thread:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Whxi-eE3KVA/V7tj1Bv4Y-I/AAAAAAAADVk/49Ki0Ul_Xa4mScgH7Mtttif227FzuPcZACLcB/s400/New-Age-Psychological-Operations-Psychological-Warfare3.png
(Taken from my Film War vs. the Truth (http://www.omnisense.org/2016/08/war-vs-truth-psyops-film.html))

[araucaria]

My sincere apologies to you, Araucaria, I have apparently offended you.
Dear cccme, you are not getting my point, which is perfectly fine, I am not in the least offended. You say we need to be smart: I just don’t think getting overemotional is the way to go, that’s all. I’m going to be offline for a while, so I’ll just leave you with the following. As you seem to have gathered, I am not exposing a multimillennial plan, I am thinking on my feet. It takes time for these things to sink in.

My point is that things and people are so much more and so much more changing than we think. Their size and scale can be terrifying at first, and likewise their changeability, but this is what makes them ‘tameable’ to some small but adequate extent. The other day at high tide and with high winds the sea was frothing dangerously over the promenade at a spot where only a little earlier little toddlers were getting their first taste of the sea. Any child is terrified at first, but when the vast sea is brought down to their size, say a patch of calm shallow water between mum and dad (what I call de-dramatizing), they are soon happily splashing about at the start of a lifetime of enjoyment. And yet the sea continues to take its toll. This for many is the origin of the nature gods, spirits embodied by aspects in nature calling for respect, i.e. both bountiful and dangerous. Similarly a Hindu temple is often made to resemble the nearby mountain it honours. Man collectively has ‘tamed’ the seas enough for his own purpose by learning to swim and to sail, and the monsters of the deep became much less fierce when we stopped hunting them for food: we still have the occasional shark but we also have boat trips to visit Melville’s devilish Leviathans. What has changed? We have. We have still not resolved all the fearsome mysteries of the mountain monsters, yetis, bigfoot etc. but have moved on from mountaineering pioneers like Bill Ryan in a previous lifetime to turning Everest into a tourist highway strewn with litter – and, let’s not forget, with corpses – and other mountains into skiing resorts.

In other words, each new frontier comes with its dangers, its casualties and its monsters, which are all gradually with time and greater familiarity. Space, the next frontier is no different, but by now we should know ourselves well enough to understand how this whole business works and how we have not totally irrational fears that need to be overcome. The permanence of this fear itself provokes a fear of its own: of what we call an overarching conspiracy. The next step in the process is to stop being fearful of things – wary, to be sure, but not unduly afraid – and help others to do the same. We do so many potentially lethal things without coming to any harm, such as driving on a narrow road, protected against oncoming traffic by no more than a few spots of paint to guide us. It is high time we got the hang of dealing with new dangers without panicking every time. Another example is the State. The State can use lethal force on its own citizens who get out of line. We are learning how not only evil dictatorships but even benign democracies can become dangerous in this way, like heavy seas on a family beach.

Another new frontier is psychopathy, the latest incurable disease; leukemia, cancer, AIDS we see to have found cures for most others. And look at pneumonia: nowadays a cup of coffee at Chelsea Clinton’s will set you right :) ‘Psychopaths do not change with therapy’, you say. Then perhaps therapy is the wrong way to go. It would be a major breakthrough to establish that instead of a pathogen we are dealing with an apparently healthy intelligent alien species. The first thing to do then would be to stop insulting its intelligence by treating it like some virus, and speaking to that intelligence to get it to understand that a parasitic relationship such as ours is not just killing us, it is mutually destructive – something they probably understand better than we do – and that we therefore need to work towards possibly a mutually beneficial symbiosis, or alternatively go our separate ways. We know from organ transplanting that what is intended as a totally one-way parasitic relationship actually turns out to be somewhat hybrid: the dead donor lives on, transferring some of their own characteristics/character to the recipient in unexpected ways. Organ donation is another example of this eater/eaten connection that we do not fully understand. Hence psychopathy counterintuitively offers a big advantage inasmuch as we can have an intelligent discussion with the cause of the condition, something we cannot yet envision with things like a flu bug and while clearly big cats are much more amenable than psychopaths. This is why I suggest strong language is not the way to go: I personally don’t mind one bit, but then I am human; but psychopaths and reptilians do not respond on this very human emotional level. They may respond to some kind of lingua franca that we really need to work out. Maybe they have been listening in to absolutely everything we have been saying and doing in a so far vain attempt to understand humans. So far we haven’t done much to help, but there again, one of the hardest things to do is to tell someone they are strangling you, because you can’t get the words out. Or maybe on the contrary, they are unable to hear because they are dying too.

We also need to understand that this parasitic relationship has been evolving for a long time already. According to Julian Jaynes’ bicameral mind theory, the Homeric heroes of 3,000 years ago could hear the gods directly in their heads, until they gradually became unable to hear them anymore. Since then it has been increasing godlessness all the way, down to a few bankster-sponsored CIA-sponsored mind-controlled Arab terrorists today, the less than 1%. That is the curve of human development: man has been going his own way, gradually shutting out this unwanted presence, and regretting the loss at the same time. The ET phenomenon sheds a new light on this. If we are dealing with an alien race, then perhaps the relationship can/should be built up again on a fresh basis, much in the way a teenager will rebels against their parents until a new relationship is established on an equal adult footing with better understanding.

[onawah]

Experiencers are coming out of the closet more and more --at 31 minutes into this lecture, Mary Rodwell talks about that, in reference to what she calls "extraterrestrial experience" (which includes a broad spectrum, but all are signs of what she identifies as an ongoing process of human transformation) and she shares testimony from many, including some who had a positive experience with Mantids.
I think it's much too easy to paint all ETs of certain races, such as Mantids and Reptilians, with the the same brush, and Rodwell's research seems to confirm this.
Most importantly, she supports investigating these phenomena with an open mind, as there seems to be so much more happening now than we realize, and it's accelerating.
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(Thanks to Running Deer for posting that lecture and more here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93561-A-Mary-Rodwell-Lecture-on-Transformation&p=1101284#post1101284 )

[RunningDeer]

Coming out of the closet--at 31 minutes into this talk, Mary Rodwell talks about that, in reference to what she calls "extraterrestrial experience" (which includes a broad spectrum, but all are signs of what she identifies as an ongoing process of human transformation) and she shares testimony from someone who had a positive experience with Mantids.

(Thanks to Running Deer for posting that lecture and more here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93561-A-Mary-Rodwell-Lecture-on-Transformation&p=1101284#post1101284 )

When I read your post, I thought you meant Mary Rodwell comes out of the closet with her experiences. For those that haven’t listened, Mary @ 31 minutes quotes Dr. L. Olson Phd. experiences. Mary Rodwell titles the section The Sign! Time to come out of the 'space-closet'.

I also have a thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93561-A-Mary-Rodwell-Lecture-on-Transformation&p=1101282&viewfull=1#post1101282) with snapshots of the first hour of Rodwell’s talk.

UPDATE: onawah, I just spotted the message below your video. Thanks. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smiley-hug_zpspv2dbwje.GIF

[onawah]

Apologies, I should have been more clear. Thanks Paula. :hug:
So to be more clear. in that talk, Rodwell is describing how Experiencers are coming out of the closet more and more with their numerous and increasingly unique and various ET and "paranormal" experiences.
She has drawn the conclusion from her research that people are having more and more experiences, more in quantity as well as in quality or complexity of experiences, especially young people.
She interviews quite a few of them, and compares notes with other reputable researchers.
While the human experience seems to be closing down in some ways due to the stultifying influence of the elite controllers, it is apparently expanding and unstoppable when it comes to opening up to a broader spectrum of interdimensional communication.
Sooner or later, something's got to give!