Poll - What’s motivating WikiLeaks?

[Deega]

Hi All Avalonians, Guests,

Here is a poll that I pull out from the World Net Daily, I modified it for the purpose of taking the pulse of members and hopefully guests on what motivates Wikileaks from your perspective...?

The poll is opened for 10 days up to December 21 (New Moon). After the deadline, you will see the results and I will post personal comments.

Last option means of OWG is One World Government.

All my blessings.

Deega

[shadowstalker]

the poll is not up here, it is not showing

[Beth]

the poll is not up here, it is not showing

Thread has to go up before the poll does, that's how the software works.

[norman]

None of the above.

[shadowstalker]

None of the above.

Agreed, there is something else involved

[Deega]

None of the above.


Agreed, there is something else involve

Thanks Norman and thanks Shadowstalker,

May you tell, what, from your perspective, motivates Wikileaks....?

All my blessings.

Deega

[norman]

I may almost have voted for the last option but I don't think the PTB are making a special big move with it. My general impression of what's going on with Wikileaks can better be described by Zookoomer ( of this forum ), he does a so much better job of it than I could.

I feel we are being bombarded with a new style of 'news' and propaganda that reminds me of the music scene when rock n roll displaced the old fuddy-duddy music. It's now the new "cool" to be a sceptic and budding conspiracy theorist, hence the new trend to supply the info, that gets their work done, to us in a sexier way. Hey, "it must be real, because the government weren't going to tell us, but good old Assange has delivered".

I can just barely remember when record company executives and staff wore dark suits and bow ties at every occasion. Then rock n roll came along and we all 'rebeled' against the old 'order', I mean, they were all a bunch of stiffs and mealy mouthed old crocks, right? Well, the Internet has shaken things up all over again. Any establishment organisation that want to be taken 'seriously' these days has got to take off the suit and put on those blue sued shoes and JOIN THE PARTY........ we're all conspiracy theorists now!

:drum::peace::hippie::fans::dance3::haha:

[shadowstalker]

Thanks Norman and thanks Shadowstalker,

May you tell, what, from your perspective, motivates Wikileaks....?

All my blessings.

Deega

For me it is a form of manifestation,For me Wikileaks is another spiritual insert to our existence.
We wanted it and now we are getting it, whether any of the info is true or not,(as many people have many thoughts) just like everything else that pops out of no where.
It is motivated by us and what we think it might have.
Tho' complex as it may seem we are the influence, we the good/bad folks of this world and the owners of wikileaks have picked up on that and in turn have become our conduit.

[Samothrace]

To force transparency most likely.

If censorship is the ulterior motive, then why not use a smoking gun? Something that can incontestably be considered a threat by the public. What has been released so far is benign information, embarrassing information, but benign -- though I'm sure more than a few poor diplomats would say otherwise. The talking heads and politicians calling for Assange's head look like idiots rather than effective rallying cries for increased control over the internet..


I may almost have voted for the last option but I don't think the PTB are making a special big move with it. My general impression of what's going on with Wikileaks can better be described by Zookoomer ( of this forum ), he does a so much better job of it than I could.

I feel we are being bombarded with a new style of 'news' and propaganda that reminds me of the music scene when rock n roll displaced the old fuddy-duddy music. It's now the new "cool" to be a sceptic and budding conspiracy theorist, hence the new trend to supply the info, that gets their work done, to us in a sexier way. Hey, "it must be real, because the government weren't going to tell us, but good old Assange has delivered".

I can just barely remember when record company executives and staff wore dark suits and bow ties at every occasion. Then rock n roll came along and we all 'rebeled' against the old 'order', I mean, they were all a bunch of stiffs and mealy mouthed old crocks, right? Well, the Internet has shaken things up all over again. Any establishment organisation that want to be taken 'seriously' these days has got to take off the suit and put on those blue sued shoes and JOIN THE PARTY........ we're all conspiracy theorists now!

:drum::peace::hippie::fans::dance3::haha:

Why is that needed?
The alternative media is filled poor journalism, crackpots, the delusional, and opportunists making buck off the gullible. Why give any credit to it at all when you can just you can just keep any real information from reaching day by having it drowned out by misinformation and fantasies?

That and conspiracy theorist is a label Assange seems to have been deliberately avoided being seen as, or at least he has focused on more providing an outlet for whistle blowers of "mainstream" conspiracies like government and corporate corruption. I don't recall any of Assange's connections or theories being a major part of the news coverage I've seen, rather he just gets out information, which makes him more of a journalist in my eyes than a conspiracy theorist.

Which is smart. He puts out mainstream information provided by whistle blowers which is easily proven to be legitimate and no one really use can discredit him or his organization. Along with that train of thought, I think it is reasonable to believe that Wikileaks may be sitting on information that would prove to be less than palatable to the public and is trying to build credibility in the public's eyes before releasing it.

Or not.

If I remember correctly they don't take any self-published material which would limit things quite a bit. I could only imagine what it would take to successfully swipe something really of note from the highest levels.

Or Wikileaks could just be aiming to clear the waters a bit for future whistle blowers which is still good.

I think a lot of the suspicion about the motivation of Wikileaks is rooted in the fact they aren't releasing some super classified documents detailing Alien contact, the NWO, or whatever else and people can't see the reasons or wisdom in not doing so.

[Deega]

I may almost have voted for the last option but I don't think the PTB are making a special big move with it. My general impression of what's going on with Wikileaks can better be described by Zookoomer ( of this forum ), he does a so much better job of it than I could.

I feel we are being bombarded with a new style of 'news' and propaganda that reminds me of the music scene when rock n roll displaced the old fuddy-duddy music. It's now the new "cool" to be a sceptic and budding conspiracy theorist, hence the new trend to supply the info, that gets their work done, to us in a sexier way. Hey, "it must be real, because the government weren't going to tell us, but good old Assange has delivered".

I can just barely remember when record company executives and staff wore dark suits and bow ties at every occasion. Then rock n roll came along and we all 'rebeled' against the old 'order', I mean, they were all a bunch of stiffs and mealy mouthed old crocks, right? Well, the Internet has shaken things up all over again. Any establishment organisation that want to be taken 'seriously' these days has got to take off the suit and put on those blue sued shoes and JOIN THE PARTY........ we're all conspiracy theorists now!

:drum::peace::hippie::fans::dance3::haha:

Thanks Norman for your post.

And may I suggest, please don't underestimate yourself!

All my blessings.

Deega

[norman]

Why is that needed?

The alternative media is filled poor journalism, crackpots, the delusional, and opportunists making buck off the gullible. Why give any credit to it at all when you can just you can just keep any real information from reaching day by having it drowned out by misinformation and fantasies?



That's probably what's coming next.

The paradigm they are preparing for isn't the current one. Once they get our snouts in the right trough they'll have us knee deep in mud pretty quick.

[Banshee]

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[shadowstalker]

Before I vote, are you going to publish the results? thanks.

Click on (View Poll Results)

[Banshee]

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[shadowstalker]

doh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl::angel:

to kewl

[Banshee]

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[norman]

ok, so i was sure to vote before succombing to peer pressure and wow! I am so pleased to see that cynicism does not rule at PA! Gives one hope.

you're kidding.....riGHT!?

[Deega]

All my thanks for members indicating their preference in this poll, keep on coming...,

Tuesday, December 14, 2010 at 10h15 Atlantic Time - After 1 day of poll, 23 members (3% - 23/776 active members) indicated their preference on what motivates Wikipedia.

Of the 23 members who voted, here the distribution.

9 (39%) think - “To tell the truth about what is going on in the World!”,
6 (26%) think - “To force government transparency by Internet journalists and
7 (30%) think - “To create OWG - the behind-the-scenes, dark forces are finally looking to make their move”
1 (4%) think - “To expose American secrets shows it's all about hating the U.S.”

Interpretation – the majority per option stands “to tell the truth about what is going on in the World”, but it is a tight race. We may add the first to the second option, and this would make of the seriousness members are hoping to get from their government, very interesting...!.

For me, it tells that you see this Wikileaks information divulgation as a serious endeavour.

Members, I invite you to tell what is your preference…!, may we reach a 10% target of active members, yes!

All my blessings.

Deega

[3optic]

First 2 are basically interchangeable. Went with the second because the first one sounded a little Pollyannaish. I do believe Assange is sincere however he is susceptible to chaotic directives from the subconscious as we all are. Further it's quite probable he is being used but this may not effect his basic MO.


To create OWG - the behind-the-scenes, dark forces are finally looking to make their move

Pretty sure the PTB have not hesitated from making moves up till now.


The paradigm they are preparing for isn't the current one. Once they get our snouts in the right trough they'll have us knee deep in mud pretty quick.

Norman, I'm a big fan of your posts and icon.. I don't really think this is a creation of some Rockefeller funded think tank although I'm sure they wish they had thought of it and are looking to use or duplicate.

Interestingly I have a friend who does face reading and sees Assange as very similar to Zbigniew Brzezinski and Gary McKinnon who he says are seemingly motivated to, in the words of The Joker "watch it all burn". So maybe he's an arsonist.. :p

[Malcolm Linus]

Before I vote, I would like to know if it is possible to change my vote if my mind changes? It does this fairly frequently regarding the wikileaks business.

[Zook]

Before I vote, I would like to know if it is possible to change my vote if my mind changes? It does this fairly frequently regarding the wikileaks business.

Nope. Not possible. We'll have to bury it alive with you when you bite the dust ... or bury you alive with it when it bites the dust. Wish there was something we could do ... ah well ... c'est la vie!

:jester:

[Deega]

Hi Avalonians,

Send a reminder to vote on "What's motivating Wikileaks"?

Many thanks,

All my blessings.

Deega

[Malcolm Linus]

Nope. Not possible. We'll have to bury it alive with you when you bite the dust ... or bury you alive with it when it bites the dust. Wish there was something we could do ... ah well ... c'est la vie!

:jester:

Oh well, I will vote and stick to my guns, and defend my vote until the end. An added bonus is I don't have to admit I was wrong after.

[Deega]

Oh well, I will vote and stick to my guns, and defend my vote until the end. An added bonus is I don't have to admit I was wrong after.

Thanks nerV,

Takes it lightly!, it's only one opinion, nobody has a hold on someone voting in a poll!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Ahkenaten]

I may almost have voted for the last option but I don't think the PTB are making a special big move with it. My general impression of what's going on with Wikileaks can better be described by Zookoomer ( of this forum ), he does a so much better job of it than I could.

I feel we are being bombarded with a new style of 'news' and propaganda that reminds me of the music scene when rock n roll displaced the old fuddy-duddy music. It's now the new "cool" to be a sceptic and budding conspiracy theorist, hence the new trend to supply the info, that gets their work done, to us in a sexier way. Hey, "it must be real, because the government weren't going to tell us, but good old Assange has delivered".

I can just barely remember when record company executives and staff wore dark suits and bow ties at every occasion. Then rock n roll came along and we all 'rebeled' against the old 'order', I mean, they were all a bunch of stiffs and mealy mouthed old crocks, right? Well, the Internet has shaken things up all over again. Any establishment organisation that want to be taken 'seriously' these days has got to take off the suit and put on those blue sued shoes and JOIN THE PARTY........ we're all conspiracy theorists now!

:drum::peace::hippie::fans::dance3::haha:

My personal favorites are the conspiracy theorists now abounding within the alternative media (i.e. those espousing conspiracies within conspiracies) - the movement has matured, we are getting into hybridization now!

[Deega]

Hi Avalonians,

Here is a reminder to vote such that we will know what Avalon members think Wikileaks is motivated by. All thanks to members who have already voted, may we reach 10% of active members....?

Friday, December 17, 2010 at 10h30 Atlantic Time - After 3 day of poll, 37 members (5% - 37/776 active members) indicated their preference on what motivates Wikipedia.

Of the 37 members who voted, here the distribution.

13 (35%) think - “To tell the truth about what is going on in the World!”,
9 (24%) think - “To force government transparency by Internet journalists,
1 (3%) think - "To make a name, to make a splash",
3 (8%) think - "To expose American secrets shows it's all about hating the U.S",
11 (30%) think - “To create OWG - the behind-the-scenes, dark forces are finally looking to make their move”

Interpretation – the majority per option stands “to tell the truth about what is going on in the World”, but it is an interesting race of opinions. Still, we may add up the first two together, this sample want the truth, want transparency by their government, we all want that, and here, it is confirmed by this sample.

For me, it tells - we want to know what is going on, and if OWG is on the way, we want to know even more.

Members, I invite you to tell what is your preference…!, may we reach a 10% target of active members, yes we can!

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

Hi Avalonians,

Send a reminder to vote on "What's motivating Wikileaks"?

Many thanks,

All my blessings.

Deega

[Deega]

Hi Avalonians,

Here is a reminder to vote such that we will know what Avalon members think Wikileaks is motivated by. All thanks to members who have already voted, may we reach 10% of active members....?

Friday, December 20, 2010 at 11h00 Atlantic Time - After 7 day of poll, 42 members (5.41% - 42/776 active members) indicated their preference on what motivates Wikipedia.

Of the 42 members who voted, here the distribution.

14 (35%) think - “To tell the truth about what is going on in the World!”,
12 (24%) think - “To force government transparency by Internet journalists,
1 (3%) think - "To make a name, to make a splash",
3 (8%) think - "To expose American secrets shows it's all about hating the U.S",
12 (30%) think - “To create OWG - the behind-the-scenes, dark forces are finally looking to make their move”

Interpretation – don't want to repeat what has been said, members will make their mind of it

Members, I invite you to tell what is your preference…!, may we reach a 10% target of active members, yes we can!

All my blessings.

Deega

[OneLittleFrog]

Thanks for creating this poll Deega :) It's a little confusing to this newbie, since the first two choices are very closely tied together. I guess it boils down to a choice between the first two (he's on 'our' side) versus the last (he's on 'their' side).

Clearly there's no shortage of sharp analytical minds at Avalon to debate this, and it's heartening to see the respectful tone maintained. Thumbs up to all of you. :)

[1love]

In one respect, he maybe simply trying to expose the truth about how corrupt the U.S. government has been in the past 40 years with these 250,000 cables. The way in which he is releasing the material shows that he is not just doing it for publicity, money, or as a collaboration with the PTB to put more restrictions on the internet. If that were the case, he would have simply released all of the material at once. Instead, he is doing the opposite and releasing the material in segments and also at his own expense. To me, this shows some sort of passion for what he is doing. He knows the media, and he knows that if he released it all at once, it would be covered briefly and then forgotten by the public. As far as gaining attention, Assange has tried to keep the lowest profile possible. Another interesting thing to note is that, for the most part, they are targeting Mr. Assange and not the officials that have been exposed so far. Also, throughout this whole drama, the Australian government has said next to nothing of Assange's extradiction. Lastly, let's not forget the freezing of Assange's assets by Bank of America, Paypal, and Mastercard. All of these companies are thought to have something revealing to surface through these cables.

So, I guess we can ask ourselves if this were all a play to put more control over the internet, why would they go to such lengths to make an example out of Assange if he were just a scapegoat? I think the lengths the U.S. government is making to criminalize Assange reveals that something is legitimate about the fear of the U.S. has for these revelations. If nothing revealing comes out of them, and there's already been some pretty interesting cables, then we will know it was all in the name of control.

[Zook]

Hi iLove,



[...]
So, I guess we can ask ourselves if this were all a play to put more control over the internet, why would they go to such lengths to make an example out of Assange if he were just a scapegoat? I think the lengths the U.S. government is making to criminalize Assange reveals that something is legitimate about the fear of the U.S. has for these revelations. If nothing revealing comes out of them, and there's already been some pretty interesting cables, then we will know it was all in the name of control.

I would suggest reading (or watching a film adaptation of) Eric Blair's 1984. You'll find your explanations there, not to mention symmetry between Julian Assange and Emmanuel Goldstein (and Osama bin Laden). Humble opinions all around.

:typing:

[Deega]

Hi Avalonians,

Poll was up for 10 days ending December 21th, 2010. Many, many thanks to members that participated, great of you, you pointed out what you think is motivating Wikileaks.

Tuesday, December 21, 2010 at 10h20 Atlantic Time - After 10 day of poll, 45 members (5.8% - 45/776 active members) indicated their preference on what motivates Wikipedia.

Of the 45 members who voted, here the distribution.

17 (38%) think - “To tell the truth about what is going on in the World!”,
12 (27%) think - “To force government transparency by Internet journalists,
1 (2%) think - "To make a name, to make a splash",
3 (7%) think - "To expose American secrets shows it's all about hating the U.S",
12 (27%) think - “To create OWG - the behind-the-scenes, dark forces are finally looking to make their move”

Interpretation – the majority per option stands “to tell the truth about what is going on in the World”, but it is an interesting race of opinions, it’s nearly 40% of members voting, great results. 27% want government transparency, I think that maybe voting members were not impress by “Internet journalists”, it’s surely is a new venture for journalists, not yet acknowledged, not yet accepted, has mileage to go here…!

We could not reach the 10% within the limit of 10 days, but I think that with time, it will be reached.

As for the 27% on the OWG, interesting, you may draw your conclusion here. We have heard Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., Blair, others…, talking about this, we are left to wonder, maybe, that is the mind of many leaders, but how many of them are ready to loose their sovereignty, the control over their currency, the control over their territory, the control over their basis needs, freedom of everything we take for granted…. and on…., I’m not sure!, I feel it’s rhetoric without substance, maybe in time to come!

Members who did not vote yet, go ahead, we will see in time how the results changes.

All my blessings.

Deega