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chancy
8th September 2016, 20:59
Hello Everyone:
This is a very interesting article since Obama, Trudeau and many many many more politicians have admitted that they have smoked weed.
There was a young fellow locally that said he had tried weed when 15-20 years younger and he can no longer enter the usa.
Shame on different rules for different people!
chancy

Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ever-smoked-weed-answer-could-090000299.html

CBC - September 8, 2016

Article:
Have you ever smoked weed? Answer this question and you could be banned from the U.S.

Matthew Harvey wants to bring his three-year-old daughter Lika to Disneyland in California, but after being banned from the United States for the rest of his life, that task isn't going to be easy.

Harvey has not been excluded for having a criminal record, or for trying to smuggle drugs into the U.S. He's being punished for providing a seemingly harmless answer to a question posed by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection service.

"They said that I was inadmissible because I admitted to smoking marijuana after the age of 18 and before I'd received my medical marijuana licence," he said.

"Of course I'd smoked marijuana, Canada didn't even have a program back then. I smoked marijuana recreationally. I guess I should have basically lied because now I am inadmissible apparently," he added.

Harvey's woes began in 2014 when he was 37. He was driving from Vancouver to Seattle for a concert when a customs officer noticed a marijuana magazine in his car.

Detained for 6 hours

He was pulled in for questioning and says he was detained for six hours, during which he was questioned about his marijuana use. A legal medical marijuana user in Canada, who was driving into a state where recreational and medical use of the drug is also legal, Harvey thought nothing of telling the truth.

But while Washington state may have legalized pot, it is still a federal controlled substance and therefore under the same purview as the border: the U.S. federal government.


For the rest of his life, Harvey must now apply for advance permission to enter the U.S. as a non-immigrant. The travel waiver, which costs $585 US ($750 Cdn), is granted on a discretionary basis, which means it may be good for a year, or two, or five, depending on the discretion of the approval officer.

When the waiver expires, Harvey will have to apply again and pay the fee, again, which is going up to $930 US ($1,200 Cdn) later this year.

A better way forward

As Canada prepares to legalize and regulate weed, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale says that Canadians should be "well advised to understand" that the U.S. is entitled to enforce whatever laws it deems fit.

The minister also said that there are ongoing discussions between Canada and the U.S. on a range of issues and coming up with a better approach to dealing with pot is always on the agenda.

"The present marijuana regime that has existed now for many years in both Canada and the United States has clearly failed Canadian and American young people because North American teenagers are among the biggest users of marijuana in the western world," Goodale said.

"We will certainly work very hard to make sure that they understand that we're moving a regime with respect to marijuana that will be far more effective than theirs," he added.

Options at the border

Len Saunders, an immigration lawyer with a practice in Blaine, Wash., who has been employed by a number of banned Canadians to process their waiver application says he expects Canada's plan to legalize pot will create a "boom" in his business.

"I think more people are going to purchase (pot) when it's legal in Canada and then … when they enter the U.S. and admit that they've purchased it legal in Canada they are still going to be denied entry until they (get) a waiver."

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau publicly admitted in 2013 to smoking marijuana "five or six times" in the past, including during his time as an MP. That won't likely cause him problems, at least for now, says Saunders.

"Prime Minister Trudeau would be admissible under a diplomatic passport, but private citizen Trudeau would not be admissible and would need a waiver for the rest of his life" if he was sanctioned for that past use, Saunders says.

Saunders' advice to Canadians asked about their past marijuana use at the border is to refuse to answer the question. They may be held for several hours, but there is no legal requirement, he says, to answer the question.

Harvey, who is now facing the lengthy and costly process of obtaining a waiver to make his daughter's dream of going to Disneyland come true, has different advice.

"We should raise awareness that if you are crossing over the border, not to admit to using recreational marijuana. Just deny, deny, deny," he said.

TrumanCash
8th September 2016, 21:50
Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

Flash
8th September 2016, 21:56
Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

I never tried it because I knew from experience that it makes people and potentially me paranoïd after a year of daily usage.:clapping:

CaptnNemo
8th September 2016, 22:56
Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

I never tried it because I knew from experience that it makes people and potentially me paranoïd after a year of daily usage.:clapping:

I will rectify, "It MIGHT affect people in different ways" because SOME people can't handle the mental or physical effects of marijuana. BIG difference!!

I too know from experience!!

Sans rancunes Flash!! :P

Spellbound
8th September 2016, 23:10
I smoke weed everyday (actually, I use a vaporizer which is much cleaner). That being said, I would never admit this to US Customs because they can be assholes sometimes (case in point in the above link). It's crazy that while some states have legalized pot....and while Canada is in the process of legalizing it....that in some areas of US/Canada it is still treated like heroin in that folks are punished (heavily) for it. Marijuana is soooo much less destructive than alcohol....yet booze is legal and pot gets people banned. Go figure!!

Dave - Toronto

Carmody
8th September 2016, 23:15
The most important thing to know about the waiver application for entering the USA, is that it MUST include an official detailed accounting of a given criminal record, if the applicant has one.

The USA then uses INTERPOL and others...and shares ALL information on the application with EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY that they are connected to.

Thus, trying to enter the USA can cost one the ability to travel to many other countries, even though offenses might be minor and one's given home country might not share the given minor data with inquiring countries that one might be trying to enter. The USA forces that data on ALL countries. Ie, like Thailand. Or, right now, due to the current hard line issues....the Philippines.

Lets say one applies to enter the USA and has a small possession of narcotics charge (1 gram of marijuana) from when they were 19 years old.

Then, later that year or even 5 years from now, one decides to go to the Philippines. And probably be denied entry due to the full personal data being on the Philippines books, for no good reason, except that the USA gave it to approximately 190 countries.

So, applying to enter the USA.... can cost a person the ability to travel around the rest of the world.

Whomever fills that form out is a foreign national and has no USA citizenship rights of any kind, so they (the USA) can do what they want with the data connected to the application ----and the applicant has zero recourse in the USA or in international law.

ghostrider
9th September 2016, 02:50
I was growing it, selling it, smoking it at age 15 but , i quit at age 20 and went into the military and straightened my behind up real quick ... i dont drink alcohol or even take aspirin ... back long ago in native americsn tribes at 12 boys went into the hut, smoked the herb and stayed until their vision for their life appeared ...

DouglasDanger
9th September 2016, 03:14
Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

I never tried it because I knew from experience that it makes people and potentially me paranoïd after a year of daily usage.:clapping:

How do you know from experience if you have never tried it? that's a bit confusing, Do you mean I knew from other peoples experience's that it can cause heightened anxiety which can lead to paranoid feelings/ thoughts?

P.S. They are easily overcome with one statement to yourself " there is nothing out to get me I have done nothing wrong" and a few deep breaths to refocus your thoughts.

sdv
9th September 2016, 12:26
Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

I never tried it because I knew from experience that it makes people and potentially me paranoïd after a year of daily usage.:clapping:

I live with a group of people who smoke it every day (and some start and end the day with a joint) and have done so for decades. None of them are paranoid at all. Nor are any of them psychotic. Most of their children smoke weed every day as well - three are honours students at university.

For some people (am not sure what the percentage is, but it is small) smoking weed will trigger psychosis.

I have a puff or two occasionally and have never experienced paranoia.

Perhaps the paranoia is about a strong belief that smoking weed is wrong and bad and you are going to be in big trouble if someone finds out?

Sunny-side-up
9th September 2016, 13:26
YES always rules for some and not for others Grr

talking weed, remember there are many different types of weed, weak solids like Leb to skunk and beyond, some are party weeds and make you silly some are deep and make you think deeply and openly, (I need plenty of the last one in that list Doh)

There is the PTB's problem, the weeds that help make you think deeply, they don't wan't you/us doing that ha.


I must say recently with these new tampered with weeds (Name something like S2) I would be very careful where you get yours from.

A small puff can open your mind, we all need open minds

betoobig
9th September 2016, 14:05
Who me?
No sir i didn't do it, if it smells is from my neighbour....lol
Much love

shaberon
10th September 2016, 22:58
It mostly would make people paranoid due to the "demonizing" effect--suddenly there's a cop behind the stop sign, one behind the elm tree, more in the basement, and if they can't smell you from 100m, the dogs are coming.

In my area, under 1/2 oz. is no longer considered criminal, so within that level, voila, no more paranoia.

To me, it's much scarier to dazzle the three year olds with Disney magic.

Flash
10th September 2016, 23:36
I was telling what I would say at the US border if asked. lollllllllllll, the first part of the sentence.

The rest starting I knew from experience was for you guys on this forum.

This was a double bind joke, don,t you see?





Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

I never tried it because I knew from experience that it makes people and potentially me paranoïd after a year of daily usage.:clapping:

How do you know from experience if you have never tried it? that's a bit confusing, Do you mean I knew from other peoples experience's that it can cause heightened anxiety which can lead to paranoid feelings/ thoughts?

P.S. They are easily overcome with one statement to yourself " there is nothing out to get me I have done nothing wrong" and a few deep breaths to refocus your thoughts.

Flash
10th September 2016, 23:40
Okay, I'll be the next to confess: "I tried it once, but I didn't inhale."

I never tried it because I knew from experience that it makes people and potentially me paranoïd after a year of daily usage.:clapping:

I live with a group of people who smoke it every day (and some start and end the day with a joint) and have done so for decades. None of them are paranoid at all. Nor are any of them psychotic. Most of their children smoke weed every day as well - three are honours students at university.

For some people (am not sure what the percentage is, but it is small) smoking weed will trigger psychosis.

I have a puff or two occasionally and have never experienced paranoia.

Perhaps the paranoia is about a strong belief that smoking weed is wrong and bad and you are going to be in big trouble if someone finds out?

You are right, it may depend on the prior mental make up of each of us, which is different for everyone of us. Some of my friends have smoked pot for 40 years and never became paranoid, although ..... hum... (teasing).

A psychiatrist once told me that since weed got much more THC with cross breeding te best, they had to deal with much more psychosis due to pot than even before when baby boomes were young for example. So I think it depends on the personal brain make up on one hand, and the strenght or mix of weed (and maybe other stuff) on the other hand.
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I do not think, Shaberon, that it has to do with demonizing or even being scared of getting caught. I met many people who told me they would get paranoi after a long time of smoking on a daily basis, while others don't.

Spellbound
10th September 2016, 23:56
Sounds like reefer madness to me. The US gov't brainwashed Joe Public pretty good in this regard.

Dave - Toronto