Randall Carlson, Climate change and global warming, Debunked

[neutronstar]

This is an excellent interview and visual presentation of what the climate of the earth has really been like for the last 250 thousand years. Climate change happens but we have yet to see it. Our climate right now is so mild to what has been the norm in the past.

If you are not familiar with Randle and his work this just might blow your mind.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Cp7DrvNLQ

[schneider]

That was very informative and I want to watch it again as well as any other videos Randall may have out.

[neutronstar]

That was very informative and I want to watch it again as well as any other videos Randall may have out.

I have seen it about 4 times. Here is the first one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R31SXuFeX0A

[Fellow Aspirant]

Here, to me, is a really appropriate rebuttal to people like Mr. Carlson who claim that the current climate changes are merely manifestations of a naturally occurring series of temperature "cycles". If you follow the huge timeline presented (that begins 20 000 years ago) you will get a sense of just how out-of-whack the temperature rise has been in the last hundred years. We are on the cusp of a climate crisis.

http://xkcd.com/1732/#

Mr. Carlson is simply wrong. Delusionally wrong.

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[neutronstar]

Here, to me, is a really appropriate rebuttal to people like Mr. Carlson who claim that the current climate changes are merely manifestations of a naturally occurring series of temperature "cycles".

B.

He doesn't say that. He clearly states in the video that man has had an impact. But when see the data of what the climate has been like the last 250 thousand years, what we are experiencing right now is nothing compared to what is normal for at least that long.

And for your graph, please. Really........ you expect me to take that serious. That looks like a child made that in their kindergarten class. LOL

[Fellow Aspirant]

Nope. Mea Culpa. Video did I not watch. :o Although I have looked into this man's findings at other times. I assume he's using the same arguments. I find it a waste of time to watch any more of this kind of argument, just as he and others with this point of view have not considered seriously the actual resarch that has been done on climate change by literally hundreds of thousands of bona fide scientists, who have stated resoundingly and repeatedly that the earth is warming. And the scientific the consensus is reaching an overwhelming conclusion that the cause is human activity, specifically, the burning of fossil fuels.

As for the quality of the graphic, I was hoping that its very simplicity would make it compelling. All that scrolling down to reach the present day is quite revealing, I think. And the numbers are real. The variance of the earth's temperature is a tiny wavering line until the last hundred years. The impact is made more dramatic by the long journey.

So, don't shoot (or belittle with condecension :cool:), because the payoff is in the realization that the curve is alarmingly wrenched to the hot side.

And that I do expect you to take serious.

Click to enlarge (if you dare! :heart:)

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[neutronstar]

Well if you watched the video you would see the graphs that comes from the teams of scientist that actually drilled the ice cores.

These are real mainstream scientist. This information is not disputed by mainstream science, it is mainstream science. It is just not talked about in mainstream media because the globalist want their carbon tax for global control.

[Hervé]

When a theoretical model matches factual reality, that validates said model. But when the modelling gives off this kind of results (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92583-Denying-Global-Warming-there-is-no-pause&p=1090613&viewfull=1#post1090613):


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=34004&d=1471520122


... the folks that did the modelling should get the message there's something very wrong with their "consensus" model.

As for the correlation of CO2 with temperatures:


https://iceagenow.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Temperature-and-CO2-thru-time.gif (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html)

Graph from “Climate and the Carboniferous Period” http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Ca...s_climate.html (http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html)



http://www.americanthinker.com/legacy_assets/articles/old_root/Foy%2011.JPG

http://www.iceagenow.com/Global-temperature-chart-Fielding.gif

[Hervé]

The difference between real, accurate readings and fudged ones:


NOAA/NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000 (https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/)

By stevengoddard (https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/author/stevengoddard/) Posted on June 23, 2014 (https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/06/23/noaanasa-dramatically-altered-us-temperatures-after-the-year-2000/)

Prior to the year 2000, NASA showed US temperatures cooling since the 1930’s, and 1934 much warmer than 1998.

https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenhunter_627-jun-22-21-18.gif?w=640&h=453 (https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenhunter_627-jun-22-21-18.gif)


NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate? (http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/)

NASA’s top climatologist said that the US had been cooling

Whither U.S. Climate?
By James Hansen, Reto Ruedy, Jay Glascoe and Makiko Sato — August 1999
Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought.
in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country
NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate? (http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/hansen_07/)NOAA and CRU also reported no warming in the US during the century prior to 1989.

February 04, 1989
Last week, scientists from the United States Commerce Department’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said that a study of temperature readings for the contiguous 48 states over the last century showed there had been no significant change in average temperature over that period. Dr. (Phil) Jones said in a telephone interview today that his own results for the 48 states agreed with those findings.
New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/us/global-warmth-in-88-is-found-to-set-a-record.html)Right after the year 2000, NASA and NOAA dramatically altered US climate history, making the past much colder and the present much warmer. The animation below shows how NASA cooled 1934 and warmed 1998, to make 1998 the hottest year in US history instead of 1934. This alteration turned a long term cooling trend since 1930 into a warming trend.

https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/1998changesannotated.gif?w=500&h=355


Fig.D.gif (525×438) (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.D.gif)


But NASA and NOAA have a little problem. The EPA still shows that heatwaves during the 1930s were by far the worst in US temperature record.

https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenhunter_556-jun-20-05-14.gif?w=640 (https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/screenhunter_556-jun-20-05-14.gif)
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/high-low-temps-figure1-2014.png?w=640 (https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/high-low-temps-figure1-2014.png)

Heat waves in the 1930s remain the most severe heat waves in the U.S. historical record (see Figure 1).


High and Low Temperatures | Climate Change | US EPA (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/indicators/weather-climate/high-low-temps.html)

George Orwell explained how this worked.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984======================================================

See?

There are the actual data... and then there are the fudged ones made to fit 'em data into the theory... or hammering square pegs into round holes... that's called "Drylabbing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabrication_(science))."

[Hervé]

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https://www.sott.net/image/s17/344697/full/Scientific_Method_Then_and_Now.jpg

[TargeT]

the tide is rapidly shifting... and those who smugly proclaimed themselves "in the know" and touted the terrors of anthropomorphic climate change now are on the other side of the table (except, sans reality & evidence to back them).

I find it rather deliciously ironic & will continue to enjoy watching this group dwindle rapidly... I can also use this as an easy gullibility litmus test... if the government propaganda worked with "global warming" then what other beliefs might an individual harbor....

[Hervé]

Massive Cover-up – Global cooling papers deleted (https://iceagenow.info/massive-cover-global-cooling-papers-deleted/)

By Robert (https://iceagenow.info/author/xilef/) September 17, 2016 (https://iceagenow.info/massive-cover-global-cooling-papers-deleted/)

Hijacking Wikipedia and rewriting history by painting the 1970s Global Cooling Scare as an urban myth.

“Beginning in 2003, software engineer William Connolley quietly removed the highly inconvenient references to the global cooling scare of the 1970s from Wikipedia, the world’s most influential and accessed informational source,” says this article by Stephen Nigel Strutt.

“It had to be done. Too many skeptics were (correctly) pointing out that the scientific “consensus” during the 1960s and 1970s was that the Earth had been cooling for decades, and that nascent theorizing regarding the potential for a CO2-induced global warming were still questionable and uncertain.

(http://notrickszone.com/2016/09/13/massive-cover-up-exposed-285-papers-from-1960s-80s-reveal-robust-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#sthash.sVSktiBI.6BXPH1cj.dpbs)
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Cooling_1.jpg (http://notrickszone.com/2016/09/13/massive-cover-up-exposed-285-papers-from-1960s-80s-reveal-robust-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#sthash.sVSktiBI.6BXPH1cj.dpbs)
^The actual data^


Not only did Connolley — a co-founder (along with Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt) of the realclimate.com blog — successfully remove (or rewrite) the history of the 1970s global cooling scare from the Wikipedia record, he also erased (or rewrote) references to the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age so as to help create the impression that the paleoclimate is shaped like Mann’s hockey stick graph, with unprecedented and dangerous 20th/21st century warmth.”




http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/NTZ-GIS-Removes-Cooling-copy.jpg

^The fudged data^



Read more:
“Massive Cover-Up Exposed:
Lying Alarmists Rebranded 70s Global Cooling Scare as a Myth”
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/14/massive-cover-exposed-lying-alarmists-rebranded-70s-global-cooling-scare-myth/
(http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/09/14/massive-cover-exposed-lying-alarmists-rebranded-70s-global-cooling-scare-myth/)
“Massive Cover-up Exposed: 285 Papers From 1960s-’80s
Reveal Robust Global Cooling Scientific ‘Consensus’”
http://www.outofthebottomlesspit.co.uk/420939961

Thanks to Mike Wiltshire and Stephen Nigel Strutt for these links

Massive Cover-up Exposed: 285 Papers From 1960s-’80s Reveal Robust Global Cooling Scientific ‘Consensus’ (http://notrickszone.com/2016/09/13/massive-cover-up-exposed-285-papers-from-1960s-80s-reveal-robust-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/) By Kenneth Richard (http://notrickszone.com/author/kenneth-richard/) on 13. September 2016 - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2016/09/13/massive-cover-up-exposed-285-papers-from-1960s-80s-reveal-robust-global-cooling-scientific-consensus/#sthash.sVSktiBI.xJ5lxcj7.dpuf

[kerrielea]

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[Ewan]

Here's a documentary from the 70's that absolutely confirms talk of a pending ice age was quite a hot topic. John Hammaker came up with a very interesting model.

I'm fairly sure that the so-called consensus we currently hear about is 'manufactured' through skewed research. Financed studies to look at one thing and one thing only. Of course you get the results you want when you ignore all other data.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqsRD4HPtH0

[neutronstar]

Back to the original video I posted. Can you imagine what the people went through 12,800 and 11,600 years ago when that devastation happened? Those people, the ones that survived anyway, had to be completely traumatized. They probably had some really clean intestines after that. :sherlock::bigsmile:

[Wind]

Damage Control in the Media as Temperatures Drop,
Clouds Increase and Arctic Snows Intensify

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[GrayWolfBG]

We were indeed on our way back down into another glacial. Far northern parts had been cooling, up to 1c, for the past 1,000yrs but that trend stalled in the late 1800's and then reversed even though the Orbital forcings still supported that cooling.

The last 'info' I sought out was back in 07' when one of the global lead researches spoke of his concerns that not only had the then forcings offset this current 'cooldown' but that we were like to skip 2 precessional cool downs ( 46,000 yrs).

Why is that of any import?

Well our current CO2 loading ( and global temps that supports once the full impact is realised) are similar to the last 'warm period' of 125,000 yrs ago. anyone familiar with that period will know that west Antarctica was ice free as was 2/3rds of Greenland. That 'exposed' land/ocean surface sustained an inflated carbon cycle ( compared with today) with around 400ppm of atmospheric CO2. That means 120ppm CO2 above the pre-industrial levels. When the ice regains balance with our atmospheric forcings it will uncover that 'hibernation' part of the carbon cycle ( currently buried under ice/covered with ice shelfs) and reanimate it. Even if only 50% of that carbon is re engaged into the atmosphere then it pushes us to near 500ppm CO2 in our atmosphere. but then we hit a problem. Antarctica began to put on ice , over 30 million years ago, when global CO2 first dipped below 450ppm.....

This 'freedom from ice ages' give ample time for the deglaciation of Earth reanimating the portions of the hibernating Carbon cycle the sheets of ice swamped. out 'ancient carbon' has forced temps up and this , in its turn, has begun to uncover the 'hibernating' portions of the carbon cycle ( both permafrost melt and ice sheet retreat) and reintroduce that carbon too!

Mother N. was always going to take the day, man might be able to light the blue touch paper ( by releasing 120+ ppm of CO2 back into the atmosphere ) but Mother N. will do the rest! The past few years have already signalled Mother N. taking up the challenge with CO2 pushing beyond the 'business as usual' levels (used in modelling climate responses) primarily due to southern ocean CO2 sink failure and northern Permafrost output ( both CH4 and CO2) even as we reduce man made CO2 outputs. If this continues then we ought expect a period of rapid warming with near year on year record global temps being recorded and extreme weather events increasing in both frequency and intensity.

As for the ice sheets? One of the most important bits of info you'll even get is the stability height of ice cliffs ( 100m?). You do not need to see warmth progress up the 2 mile height of Antarctic ice cover merely for temps around the Continent being warm enough to melt out the ice shelfs that hold back the Glaciers that drain the interior and they drain the interior via gravity and not temperature?

By the end of the noughties not only had warm bottom waters penetrated the circumpolar currents (a circumpolar current that had been strengthened via the impacts of the Ozone hole since the late 70's)by passing through the canyons below the body of the current but they had progressed from the peninsula to Ross. We can see the impacts this water has had in the Pine Island complex ( half way from the Peninsula to Ross) but also we should be mindful that the Roosevelt Island end of Ross is the end that needs to go before West Antarctic can again become the Island it was 125,000yrs ago.

I believe that if we want to worry about an upcoming calamitous global event it would be wiser for a person to worry about the climate shift already ongoing?

Sadly sudden climate lurches can prove society breakers. A melt season is 6 months. If Roosevelt island end of Ross is being rapidly undercut now with the arrival of those warmed bottom waters how long would any 'float off' take to melt out? And then what of the Rest of Ross ( metres sea level rise right there!) how long would that survive with an even larger calving front facing those warmed bottom waters?

There are folk who fully know this, and know full well what comes once terminals become swamped of cargo centres inundated. We all sit around feeling secure in that we have decades before anything can shock our society but something like rapid collapse in Ross would signal to some to up stakes, consolidate and hunker down until the horrors of the global collapse and population crash are over..........